Unhinged & Unplugged with Zae France

Summary

Unhinged & Immoral: Unplugged with Zae France

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Guest: Zae France
Date: September 4, 2025
Production: Diamond MPrint Productions

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jamila and Mecca welcome rising R&B star Zae France for a candid, hilarious, and insightful conversation. The trio dives deep into Zae’s musical inspirations, the realities of blowing up during the pandemic, the nuances of R&B culture, and plenty of unfiltered talk about dating, sex, astrology, and navigating independence as an artist. Zae treats listeners to two live performances, giving a taste of his musical prowess and authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Getting to Know Zae France

• Intro and Background (00:27)

  • From Waterbury, CT by way of Mount Airy, NC, Zae is fresh off a 25-city tour with Eric Bellinger, known for his smooth melodies and songwriting skills.
  • Zae’s roots: “I grew up in church. My mom sings… My mom didn’t even know I sung till my freshman year... She heard me singing in the shower.” (01:32)

• Pandemic as a Breakthrough (02:41)

  • Leg Day went viral during COVID: “I was just stuck in the house, recording on TikTok Live… I was low key depressed… But, yeah. Shout out to Covid, I guess for that.” (02:54)

• Songwriting Process (04:22)

  • Pulls inspiration from both personal experience and others’. “The first song I performed, 'Baby,' was about my best friend’s situation… Sometimes I don’t even realize what the song’s about until I’m done.” (04:38–05:06)
  • Most of his biggest records were self-written but acknowledges R&B collaboration: “My biggest records I wrote myself, for sure… I don’t see the problem with collabing, especially in R&B.”

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R&B, Inspirations, and Style

• Thoughts on Collaboration (06:05)

  • Responds to public criticism of artists like Beyoncé for having multiple collaborators: “She’s feeding families… When you get to that point, why would I write if I know you can? I like that, honestly.” (07:16)

• Musical Influences (07:39)

  • Old school: Al Green
  • 90s: Usher, D’Angelo (“his swag”), Tank
  • Modern: Eric Bellinger, Chris Brown, SZA, Erykah Badu (“I want to do a song with her—I just know she’ll do it”). (07:51–08:47)

• On the Evolution/Categories of R&B (12:18–13:35)

  • Chimes in on the blurring lines in R&B: “There’s a lot of R&B out, and I feel like R&B is like a Black person that can sing.”
  • Questions audience contradictions: “How are these songs so popular if we say we want the ‘real’ R&B back?” (13:35)

• Style Inspirations & Aesthetic (15:23)

  • Not directly influenced or copying style: “I just be wearing what I like… I can’t just go on Pinterest and [recreate someone’s whole swag].”
  • Loves boots: “Middle of the summer, I’m going Prada boot every chance I get.” (17:02)

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Life as an Independent Artist

• Navigating Independence (23:46–25:55)

  • Left Def Jam for more creative control: “He [Tunji] really signed me off talent… but I wasn’t ready… I didn’t have the leverage.”
  • Pros: Freedom, able to create best work (“I did [my latest project] in 8 days”).
  • Cons: Financial pressure and hustle: “Now it’s waking up every day and putting your real own money into this… not guaranteed that it comes back.” (27:00–27:50)

• Current State & Upcoming EP (25:48–26:05, 75:53)

  • New project: Final Say (exclusive reveal)
  • Lead single “Rex” drops August 14 (first solo single since Def Jam).

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Dating, Sex, and Relationships: Keeping it Unfiltered

• Dating & Fan Interactions (19:28–21:27, 60:21–62:08)

  • Onstage persona: “Anyone that’s dating me is gonna see me picking up thick on stage… you have to be comfortable.”
  • Not interested in women chasing/approaching him unless it’s organic: “I just gotta know that you want me to entertain you… Like if you give me the eyes, I’m on you.” (60:39–61:00)
  • About fans approaching: Not a turn off unless it’s “fanned out” or over-the-top.

• Favorite Physical Trait (37:41–38:07)

  • “Probably lips… and eyes. Women really be beautiful though.” – Zae France

• Sex, Sex Playlists, and Toys (43:01–54:14)

  • Song that best describes him in bed: “I guess ‘Leg Day’... but people think my songs are freakier than they are.”
  • Sex playlist: “I have [had sex to my own music]... but it kinda blew me… like, this ain’t even the vibe.”
  • Sex positions: “Probably missionary. I like to take control, tight shit... That’s my program.” (52:40)
  • On sex toys: “Little rose, never more than that… I’m not going to buy a cock ring. That’s crazy. Maybe if my girl wanted me to.” (54:07, 55:53)

• Approaching Women & Pick Up Lines (46:04–48:40)

  • No pick-up lines: “I just talk... Real talk, I only ever ‘ran down’ after a girl gave me the eyes... I know women get hit on every day.”
  • Jamila: “All I got on me is my eyes. But mind you, much like Zae, he came right over there.”

• Sexual Safety & Testing (64:28–65:39)

  • “Safe sex, everybody. Please… reminder to get tested.”
  • “I don’t be fucking raw like that, either. It’s got to make sense.”

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Zodiac & Personality Deep Dive

• Virgo Stereotypes and Reality (28:59–35:36)

  • Hosts affectionately roast Zae for his “strict program” and Virgo perfectionism.
  • Zae: “I'm a little different... I'm very understanding... I can read yours and mine [minds].”
  • On personal standards and seriousness in relationships: “A relationship is supposed to lead to marriage… Only one woman’s met my mom.” (68:46–69:50)

• Hosts' Signs

  • Jamila: Gemini (“I get bored easily… ADHD boots!”)
  • Mecca: Aries (“Fire sign… loyal but passionate… have program too—game sees game.”)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The first song I performed… I wrote that about my best friend’s situation with his girl… Sometimes I don’t even know what the song is about until I’m done.” – Zae (04:38–05:06)
• “[Collaboration is] feeding families… When you get to that point, why would I write if I know you can?” – Zae, on Beyoncé and musical collabs (07:16)
• “My mom used to tell me Al Green was my dad.” – Zae (07:51)
• “R&B, to me, has always never really been a mainstream category. R&B has always been very, very unique to Black folks…” – Jamila (14:21)
• “I just wear what I like… If somebody wanna be like Zae France, cool inspiration, you feel me? But I’m not about to look at your mood board.” – Zae (17:10–17:44)
• “I was in Def Jam… but I wasn’t ready to sign a deal, I didn’t have the leverage… I literally do this dolo.” – Zae (23:55)
• “Missionary. I like to take control, tight shift. Strict program.” – Zae (52:40)
• “Pretty is not enough for me; it never has been. That’s why I don’t got kids.” – Zae (64:02)
• “Safe sex, everybody. Please get the greatest form of sexual intercourse. Reminder to get tested.” – Jamila & Mecca (64:28)
• “I just go in there, write what my heart is leading me to, sometimes I don’t even realize what the song’s about.” – Zae (05:06)
• “I want y’all to hear the EP. Send it over. I wanna hear before it’s released so I can say I heard it first—exclusive!” – Jamila (76:17)

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Highlighted Segments & Timestamps

• Zae’s Church Roots & Start in Music – 01:32–02:20
• Blowing Up During the Pandemic – 02:41–03:57
• Songwriting Inspiration – 04:22–06:05
• On R&B, Collaboration, and Musical Influences – 07:16–08:47
• Discussion: What is ‘Real’ R&B? – 13:35–14:21
• Zae’s Style and Audience Perception – 15:23–18:01
• Life as an Independent Artist – 23:46–27:00
• The Unhinged Hot Seat (Dating/Sex Questions) – 37:41–55:07
• Zodiac Deep Dive & Self-Reflection – 29:00–35:36, 65:59–71:14
• Live Performance: “Baby” and “Too Much” – 76:29–82:22

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Standout Moments

• Hosts and Zae joking about pandemic PPE loans. “I would have did real conservative. $9,000.” – Jamila, Zae chimes in: “A calm 10.” (04:08)
• Hilarious riff on d'Angelo’s iconic shirtless music video. “When d’Angelo did this [hip swirl]… At six years old, I knew.” (16:39)
• Real talk about testing and safe sex. “Safe sex, everybody… you need to go do that. And what month is this? Eight? My God, y’all burning.” (64:28–65:06)
• Zae’s self-awareness as an artist and individual. “Pretty is not enough for me… I do got a program. It’s gotta make sense.” (64:02)
• Hosts reveal their own style and approach to flirting. “All I got on me is my eyes.” – Jamila (49:40)
• Live intimacy & energy: Closing with acoustic performances. (76:29–82:22)

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Tone & Takeaway

Playful, authentic, and deeply conversational, this episode gives fans a relatable look into Zae France—his passion for music, his sharp perspectives on authenticity and creativity, and his grounded, sometimes hilarious approach to life, love, and career. Jamila and Mecca’s signature chemistry keeps things bouncing from insightful to riotously funny, especially during uninhibited chat about sex, dating, and astrology.

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Listen Further

• Follow Zae France on streaming & socials; look out for Final Say EP and the single Rex (August 14).
• Tune in weekly for more episodes with Jamila and Mecca, where nothing is off-limits and the mic is always on.

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Essential Zae France Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “Sometimes I don’t even realize what the song’s about until I’m done.” (05:06)
• “I just started taking records from people… But my biggest records I wrote myself, for sure.” (05:57)
• “You have to be comfortable. This is a show.” (19:42)
• “Missionary. I like to take control, tight shift. Strict program.” (52:40)
• “Pretty is not enough for me; it never has been.” (64:02)
• “I want to be independent until I build the leverage again.” (23:55)
• “Safe sex, everybody... Get tested.” (64:28)

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[End of summary]

Transcript

[A]

She flowing in that cash Talk in the booth like Naomi on the catwalk and tell them bitches whoop, whoop from the jaguar it ain't even right though Push me and I might go she ain't getting money I'm like, what the fuck a hype for when them bitches bite flow make my appetite go poof gone, voila, Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them ramping. Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged Amor. I'm your host, Jameela.

[B]

And I'm Mecca.

[A]

And I'm. Today we have a very special guest. Guys, we're doing something so totally different. We have our very first musical guest. We are going to welcome a fresh off a 25 city tour with Eric Bellinger. Originally from Waterbury, Connecticut, by way of Mount Airies, North Carolina. I don't know any of them two cities, but we gonna get to know him today. Known for his smooth melodies and heartfelt lyricism. We got one of the new faces of R and B with us. Please welcome Ze fr.

[C]

Appreciate you. I like the introduction. I ain't gonna lie.

[A]

That was tight.

[B]

We need an introduction.

[A]

How are you today?

[C]

I'm great. I appreciate y' all calling me and setting this up. Sister.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? We are, you know, lovers of the R and the B. I see. And so that's what you do.

[C]

And y' all proved it.

[B]

And we heard you warming up and the mic was on.

[C]

Appreciate it.

[A]

The microphone was on and you know, sometimes the mic don't be on for those.

[C]

The mic don't be on sometimes, unfortunately. Yeah.

[A]

So we're gonna kick it right off. We wanna get to know you. How did you.

[C]

I grew up in church. My mom sings.

[B]

And that's what's wrong with R B.

[A]

Yes. So when you was singing in church, Melodies of Heaven, were you given the tenor?

[C]

I'm not gonna lie. I was like a baby. Like, my mom ran the youth choir, so I was just singing by the time I started. Like, by the time I was old enough to really start singing for real. I didn't. Nobody knew. Like, my mom didn't even know I sung till my freshman year when I moved back to North Carolina with my grandma and she heard me singing in the shower, so my mom knew I singed.

[A]

So you was giving very much Tina Turner vibes in the bathroom, singing with the brush. Nobody knew in the shower.

[C]

My granny knocked on the door like, who? Asking me? Who that in there? Like, somebody gonna be in the bathroom.

[B]

With me could have the Radio on or something.

[C]

She was like, you gonna sing at church next week?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. That was my freshman year. And then I started, like, actually kind of, like, taking it serious. Cause I'm like, I actually do love this. And people sing like a scene, so I might as well just run it.

[A]

I mean. Well, the voice was good. It was very fluid.

[C]

Appreciate you.

[A]

You could tell you moisturize the throat. Lots of water. Lots of.

[B]

The throat.

[A]

So you definitely blew up during the pandemic. How was that for you? Do you feel like that really pushed you to get out in, like, the professional stage? Do you feel like it was easier to put your music out in that?

[C]

I didn't even really realize that. It was during the pandemic that I kind of had, like, a bigger break. I dropped a song called Leg Day and I kind of went viral. And that was literally, for me, just being stuck in the house, recording on TikTok Live and then finding one that caught. And then I got more attention. But then I wouldn't say Covid really helped. Cause I was low key depressed during COVID Cause I couldn't do nothing. So like, even, like, Leg Day, the way it came about, I wasn't intentional at all. It was just me vibing and trying to record. So I wasn't feeling no type of way about being stuck in the house. But yeah. Shout out to Covid. I guess for that.

[A]

Shout out to Covid. I feel like that was a pivotal point for everybody. I feel like everybody had, like, a very, like, catalyst moment during the pandemic. Like, I need to do something. We were all at home with nothing but our feelings and our thoughts and our dogs. And it was like, hmm, I didn't.

[B]

Even have a dog at the time.

[C]

True.

[A]

We had to do something with that time. And I feel like we also had a little bit of a renaissance with music, too. Like, a lot of people came up during the pandemic. Cause it was like, well, a good time to kind of push.

[C]

And I didn't do that.

[B]

You're not in jail. You're sitting here with us.

[C]

Yeah, obviously it's a lot of people that did it that didn't go. And I feel like I could have done that ppe a little one. Like. Like a small one.

[A]

I would have did real conservative. $9,000.

[C]

A calm 10.

[B]

They was already giving money away with the unemployment.

[A]

They was.

[B]

I was on unemployment. Bad.

[A]

I was too.

[B]

Everybody had to kick me off.

[C]

I wish.

[A]

I wish I could get it today.

[B]

Okay, so where do you pull your inspiration from? We Heard your music. It's a little sensual. It's a little sexy. Right. Like, you. Where do you pull. Where do you pull your inspiration from? Is it from your own personal experience or, like, outside sources?

[C]

Both, Definitely my own experiences. The first song I performed, the song called Baby. I wrote that song about my best friend. Like, it was a situation he was going through. Like, it was him and his girlfriend.

[B]

I was saying was the best in a girl.

[A]

Cause you know how y' all get. Nah, yo, I was gonna say. Cause that's the problem.

[C]

That is the problem. But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was his situation with his girl. Like, he was going through a situation with his girl. And I didn't even realize until I got done with the song and he's in the studio. Like, bro, you writing songs?

[A]

I was gonna say, how was that realization? Like, hold on.

[C]

And I just be. Like, a lot of songs I write, it's be like line by line, for real. So it's like whatever I feel. You know what I'm saying? So it's like sometimes I don't even realize what the whole, like, the whole song is until I'm done. I'm like, oh, that's this situation. And it's a little bit from this situation.

[A]

So what you're saying is there's a couple of girls out there who.

[C]

I wouldn't say that.

[A]

Got some songs.

[C]

They got a verse? Yeah, they might have a verse.

[A]

You can't give too much.

[C]

Nah. Because when I try to, like, write a song about a girl, I've tried and, like, been intentional with it. Trash. Bogus. No, no. Swag. But if I just go in there, just like, if the beat make me feel something and then I get done with it, I'd be like, it's low key about her, but if I would have thought about that, I would have blew it.

[B]

You do it unconsciously.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

I feel like that makes the most sense, you know? Write whatever your heart is leading to you. And I'm glad to hear that you write.

[C]

I definitely. Right. I just started taking records from people. Like, my biggest records I wrote myself, for sure.

[A]

And that's a flex.

[C]

Appreciate it.

[A]

You should talk about that more. You know, a lot of the kids these days.

[C]

Days I feel like we. I don't. I don't see the problem with collabing with, especially in rb. Like, if you're a rapper and you're talking about some stuff that you ain't got nothing to do with, and then you. Yeah, that's kind of Crazy. But, like, R and B, like, the homies is like, they just as good as me. They understand my sound. You feel me? Like, they can send me a record and I'll be like, nah, this is Z France for real. Because they understand me. You feel me? So, like, I'm not ashamed to say I take records now, but before, I was like, I don't really consider myself an artist until I can go in any studio and just make sure that I could write a record if I had to. So, like, I made sure that I could learn how to write. That was, like, my own artist development. And I really was, like, heavy during COVID for real. Like, just trying to.

[A]

I think a lot of people had a lot of flack to say about Beyonce with a lot of her collaborations, especially with the most recent albums with Renaissance and Cowboy Carter. They kind of felt a way that she had so many people credit on her album, like, oh, she don't write. She don't do this. But, you know, I think it's admiring and it's inspiring to see the collaboration. Cause it's like, that's what is, you know, very beautiful about music in and of itself and the arts in general. Like, collaboration is, like, the thing that we should continue to push, especially within.

[C]

This space, for sure. Especially when you're that big and you're just. She's feeding families. There's so many people that she helped by letting them give them a chance. Cause she can do it herself. She's an amazing writer herself. But when you get to that certain point, it's just like, you don't. You don't. Why would I write if I know that you can? I'm telling y' all what I want this album to be about, and y' all giving me records about this album. And it makes me like, why not give you a chance? So I like that, honestly.

[A]

Period. Let's get into some of your musical influences. You know, R B is a very sacred genre, I personally think. Who are some of those people that help shape your sound and influence the way you sound today?

[C]

My mom used to tell me Al Green was my dad.

[B]

Love and happiness.

[C]

Yeah. So Al Green was heavy. Like, I always used to listen to Al Green when I was growing up. Like, as far as, like, old school, that's probably, like, the most influential. Like, 90s, probably. Like, definitely Usher, definitely. I like. I really like d'. Angelo's. It was like. It was certain amount of songs that I really like, was a fan of. But, like, the. The. The style and, like, how he Moved and like his. His swag. I. I get inspiration from that. For sure. Tank is a big inspiration. Love Tank for me. Talking new school E.B. eric Bellinger, for sure. CB I'm a big fan of SZA Erykah Badu. Heavy. And I always say I want to do a song with her, and I don't even know what it would sound like, but I just know, you know, she'll do it.

[A]

I don't know. It just gives me the spirit. She just gives me, like. Yeah.

[B]

Side missions.

[A]

Yeah, she's always touring.

[B]

Then incense. Exactly. A side mission.

[C]

That's a good side mission.

[B]

And they smell good.

[C]

True.

[B]

I don't know if they. No, I'm saying a boy I know.

[A]

Had him and he burned it. What did it smell like?

[B]

It smelled fragrant and fruity.

[A]

So not like.

[B]

No. So not like if she possibly douched. I don't know. But you're not supposed to do that. Guys, don't do that.

[A]

That will mess up that. Tear that thing up. Don't do that.

[B]

Not supposed to smell like strawberries.

[D]

No.

[A]

And I'm so glad you said that. That needs to be said more. Your.

[B]

Your vagina is not supposed to smell like strawberries.

[A]

That is.

[C]

Yeah. I never thought that was a thing.

[A]

Let me tell you something. In high school I'll never forget.

[C]

Oh, come on. I'm talking about as a grown person, high school. I thought you should be like, I don't taste like strawberries.

[A]

Everybody was like, you not eating your pineapples? Cause when you eat the pineapples.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, let me eat the pineapples. In growing up, is realizing it's supposed.

[B]

To smell like PS4 Air.

[C]

Who. PS like PlayStation.

[A]

When the CD don't work, the air is coming. Who told you that? Your brother?

[C]

That's what I heard about PS4. Yeah.

[A]

Favorite.

[B]

Let's get back on track.

[A]

Okay. See in this, you play PS4.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We on five now, ain't we? That's the one that stands straight up. Do you play Call of Duty?

[C]

I don't even play games like that.

[A]

Thank you. Thank God.

[C]

No, I don't got, like. I'll be trying to game here and there. I just don't got the patience for, like. I'm just like.

[A]

There's something.

[C]

I'm not a loser.

[A]

So when I start losing, there's something in the energy.

[C]

Let's go do something I can win at. Yeah.

[A]

That plays Call of Duty.

[B]

They didn't even catch that. I'm not a loser.

[C]

I'm not A loser. So when I start losing, it's just, let me go do something. I can win it. I go make a song. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't want to see.

[A]

And we're gonna get into that zodiac sign in a minute. Interesting, because it's screaming. It's screaming. I'll let you rest.

[C]

It's screaming, though. Which one?

[A]

Now, I will say that we did have a cheat code. Your manager did spill the beans, however, I already knew. He didn't have to tell me much. I said, let me listen to these songs again.

[C]

I said, morse code.

[A]

I seen it, I felt it. And I said, I'm terrified.

[C]

Terrifying.

[A]

You are scaring me to death.

[B]

Have you heard your music? It's a little scary sometimes.

[C]

For real.

[A]

Virgo men have a. The only thing saving y'. All. The only saving grace y' all have is Michael Jackson.

[C]

I was about to say Beyonce's a Virgo, too, and that's a girl.

[A]

Michael Jackson is. I mean, if it wasn't for him.

[C]

That's a good man, though. He was good. He was a good man.

[A]

The best man. Don't get me started. Let's get back into these things. Who are some of your favorite artists of today?

[C]

I'm gonna be real with you. My homies. I listen to my homies way more.

[A]

Than we love a good friend.

[C]

Yeah. I got Mizzy Lot, Fable, the homie Sincere, Ro, Remy. It's an artist named Remy a remedy, but her name is Remy now. Please, please, please. Yeah, Facts and trying to think. It really be the homies, though. That's who I really listen to when people ask me about songs.

[A]

I'm like, my friends.

[B]

I love my friends.

[C]

For real. Honestly, the ones that's like, that are good to me. Like, they actually understand R B. It's a lot of R B out, and I feel like R B is like a black person that can sing.

[B]

Ooh.

[C]

Maybe like, it's R B.

[A]

Who said that? Somebody actually just made a point about that.

[B]

So R and B isn't Pookie's requiem.

[A]

Oh, you know what?

[B]

You want to hear something funny?

[C]

I'll be real with you.

[B]

I didn't know she was. I didn't know she was.

[A]

Can I just say that nobody called that young lady pookie?

[B]

I did not. I thought we were joking for so long until the song came. I said, oh, this.

[A]

This.

[B]

This is a person in the song that you need.

[A]

Your mom.

[C]

That's R and B, though.

[A]

That was a good song. I ain't gonna.

[C]

That is R and B. And you heard her ep, like, she definitely. It's like. I feel like it's like alternative R and B, but she definitely has the. It's elements that R and B has to have.

[A]

It was just something calling herself Pookie that made me squint.

[B]

I feel like we're at the point where there's original R and B, and then you have, like, how back in the day, we were able to have, like, neo soul, like, different. We need to get back to the categories, because I agree. Pookie is not what I want to hear while I'm cleaning my house.

[A]

No, it's not traditional R and B, but I think, you know, the vocals, I wouldn't put it in pop. That's what's, like, the categories, I think is definitely appropriate.

[B]

Cause I was gonna call it biracial R and B, but we have to get something more appropriate.

[A]

You gotta be bi to be rac.

[B]

Shout out to my sister Janae.

[A]

She don't have neither of the qualifications for that.

[C]

I got a question, though, for y'. All. Right. Because I always see. Yeah, yeah. It's one question real quick. I always see, like, on Twitter, it's like, oh, we want the real R and B back. We want that. We want the this. We want the this. But then we'll get the complaints about, like, a song like that, right? How are these songs so popular? If we want the real R and B back and we want. And that's not considered real R and B to people. You know what I'm saying? It's like. That's the part that's like, the cross.

[B]

What word am I looking for?

[A]

Cross pollination. Not.

[B]

No, not cross pollination. Like, everyone's listening to it, like, outside of black. Like, how you said mainstream. Mainstream. Thank you. Thank you. How? Like you said, R and B is a black person that can sing, but black people are a minority.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So if you can get the masses, then you're gonna be popular. It doesn't necessarily have to be the R and B lovers who are listening to you.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, the way I see it, R and B, to me, has always never really been a mainstream category. R and B has always been very, very unique to black folks. And then every now and then, there would be a record that was just. That would cross over and have that effect of mainstream. But R and B has always been a very unique category of music. You can go right now and ask somebody if they know some of these people. Like, a lot of people don't know who Jill Scott is outside of the black community, outside of the people who really love R and B. And I don't see that as a bad thing. I see it as a. You are successful for the people you need to be successful for. You're feeding the people that want to be fed. There are certain genres that are just not mainstream, and I don't think it's a bad thing. So I think because of that. To answer your question about. Bet you meet your mom. Bet you meet a dog named after me. Pookie. I think it's just one of those songs that just hit and had crossover ability, and it's like, period. Pookie. Yes. All right, Pooks.

[B]

Well, you said that one of your musical inspirations is d', Angelo, but we wanted to ask you who are some of your style inspirations in terms of musical artists and how that plays into your personal aesthetics? Because when you said d', Angelo, I.

[A]

Was like, shirt off. I see it naked.

[C]

That's Dragon. That's definitely dragging it.

[A]

He was naked.

[C]

Yeah, he was.

[B]

He was naked as hell.

[C]

My aunt video, I will never forget. My aunt used to put that video on, let me tell you. And that used to make me so uncomfortable, like. Cause she's. Bro. She used to play it back, bro. And we didn't. I'm thinking about. Hold on. I'm thinking, bro. Because it wasn't no rewind. Like, I'm sitting here thinking, like, how was she watching this over and over? Because it wasn't like, no Netflix or YouTube where you could just. You know, I would never forget that.

[A]

Think of that video often. I don't listen to the song without watching the video.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

And, you know, they could have lowered the camera. They were right up there, right into the V. And then we. Let's go to the next one, okay?

[C]

Cuz I'm not. We not going V talk on. On, bro.

[A]

We did get top booty meat, though. We did, yes.

[C]

What?

[B]

Can't get mad at that. We.

[A]

I'm sorry, but we just have to stick on this for a moment, because when d' Angelo did this.

[C]

Yo.

[A]

At six years old, I knew.

[C]

But what you say? Top what?

[A]

Top booty meat.

[B]

Top booty meat, man. It's the top of your butt meat.

[A]

When they turned the camera around and we saw that back, and you see the dimples, and it was just right. It was right at the cusp. And, you know, if it was just a centimeter down, we would have got the crack.

[C]

We have to go. We have to get away from this okay.

[B]

You just have to tell us your style inspirations. I also see a little genuine with the boots right now.

[C]

Oh, no, I'm going to go. It's middle of the summer. I'm going Prada boot every chance I get. Timberland boot, I'm going a boot.

[B]

That's that Connecticut. That's that East Coast.

[C]

I don't know. I don't really have, like, I don't really see anybody and be like. That's why it'd be kind of hard for me, like, come up with mood boards and stuff, because I have a problem with going to Pinterest and seeing a whole swag and being like, I'm trying to recreate this, and that really be my problem. So I just really just be wearing what I like for, like. And if sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it don't. But if I like it, I'm going, I'm running it. Because I can't just be sitting here trying to look like the next nigga for real. Even though it's like, you can't get away with it. We gonna look. You feel me? But I'm not about to look at your mood board and be like, I'm putting out. You feel me?

[A]

Like, I'm straight type shit.

[C]

Y' all be on the same shit.

[A]

I be putting a bitch on my booboard. I like that. Thank you. Some stuff I will actually.

[B]

And I'm gonna recreate that exact outfit when I get home.

[C]

Thank you. The same one. I can't do that.

[B]

I'm gonna throw a different earring on.

[A]

It's not plagiarism, you know, it's like, girls are a little bit more giving. Boys are very stingy. You know what I'm saying? Boys are mean. Y' all are thuggish. Thuggish, ruggish, bone.

[C]

But the thing is, though, if somebody were to see me and be like, yo, I wanna be like, zay friends, I wanna be like, oh, my God, here this nigga go. Like, I might like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm just not worried about nan nigga. But if somebody trying to be like, Zay France, cool inspiration, you feel me? But, like, like I said, I get inspired. I get inspired. You feel me? Like, if somebody that wore leather pants before me and I'm like, oh, yeah, I got it. I'm not the first nigga to wear prop. You feel me? It's like, I'm just not seeing niggas whole fit and being like, gotta go genuine today.

[B]

Like, I'm not saying you're giving a cross between Genuine. And d' Angelo bad.

[C]

That's too.

[B]

Because the hair. The hair gives a little bit.

[A]

But the.

[B]

But the boot leather definitely gives. Genuine. When he was, you know, in the.

[A]

Middle of the summer or when he.

[B]

Up in the air. I was gonna say when he fell.

[A]

Off that stretcher recently. Gen is a character.

[C]

I love him for real.

[A]

Yeah, he's definitely un status in many ways. In one. Anyways, let's get into dating. You know, we have this conversation. We actually had a conversation with a few people on the podcast recently. We feel like, you know, dating in this space and time with a platform, it could be sticky, icky, and then on top of that, you're writing songs and verses. Do you feel like that changes the way you navigate that? No, no, no.

[C]

This is. This is entertainment. First of all, this is music. So at the end of the day, like, have you seen one of my shows?

[A]

I haven't put me on.

[C]

Anyone that's dating me is going to see me picking up thick on stage.

[A]

So they got to be comfortable.

[C]

You have to be comfortable. This is a show.

[B]

You're strong.

[A]

We're gonna get back for sure into that zodiac.

[B]

He's strong. What's the biggest you can pick up specifically?

[C]

I don't know. Well, I was picking up some thick on. On tour. I was surprising myself some nice things.

[A]

And when you say pick it up.

[B]

Was you humping in the air.

[C]

Humping.

[A]

Humping in the air.

[C]

Too much.

[A]

I just wanted to know the boundary.

[C]

Yeah. Like, I'm sitting in the chair. Sitting. Dancing with me. Real quick. Oh, I'm standing up. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And that's a squat.

[C]

One time I did a little, like.

[A]

And he wants the girl of his dreams to be in the audience saying, that's my recording.

[C]

Recording it.

[A]

And I'm a stick.

[C]

Literally recording it.

[A]

Like, recording it. Like, you see how thick she is?

[B]

My man got that.

[C]

Because it's just a. It's a show. I don't be knowing them, literally, who's trying to come on stage. I don't know who's going to raise their hand. And I don't even usually be picking them. 4G. Like, somebody that's on my team will pick them. So I'm literally just vibing to him.

[A]

This is just work.

[B]

I'm just vibing so thick. Ladies, go to a zay friend show. He will pick you up.

[A]

You know, Janet Jackson was infamous for bringing a man on stage and humping him. Oh, that's different now, let me tell you. She was strapping them.

[C]

That's not different.

[A]

I just feel like she's Janet Jackson, you know?

[B]

Like.

[C]

Yeah, that was kind of.

[B]

And, I mean, you said it leaned back off thick.

[A]

Shit. And then you did, like, this grabbing ass is what I heard.

[C]

No, I forgot to grab it.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

See, Janet Jackson folded up and then, like.

[B]

And put into a contraption.

[A]

And I'm talking about she climbing on them, whispering in the ear, and then.

[C]

Your man is backstage.

[B]

That's her job, like you said.

[C]

That's fair.

[A]

Have y' all ever listened to that song with your parents?

[C]

No.

[A]

Let me tell you something. Don't do it. Janet is a freak nasty lady, and I love her for that. But having to listen to that song with my parents in real time during a road trip where you know you're not getting out of the car soon. First of all, the song is extended.

[B]

It's long.

[A]

Towards the end, she's figuring herself down.

[C]

What do you mean by that?

[A]

I mean, she's like, O, E, O, E, oo. Do you know the last line of the song?

[C]

What?

[A]

It's not even. She's not even singing. I can't even say it.

[B]

It's so bad.

[A]

Yo, Janet is wild as hell for this. She goes, I can't even say it.

[C]

What's she saying?

[A]

Oh, my God. I didn't even get to come. Did you? And that's how the song ends, mind you.

[B]

I'm like.

[C]

She said, did you?

[A]

Did you?

[B]

Did you?

[C]

What do you mean, mind you?

[A]

I'm driving.

[C]

Who's playing the song?

[A]

Me. It was on my playlist. I didn't.

[C]

And you didn't press.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Why didn't you skip it? Because sometimes when you give it attention, it makes it like, oh, now why you're skipping? So I'm trying to, like, you know, everybody was talking, and when the song came on first, then they stopped talking after a while, and she's full moaning. I'm like, she got that finger in that twat. I know she do. I know she was in that studio going to work.

[B]

She said, Ms. Jackson, if you nasty. So she told y' all what time it was years before that even happened.

[A]

Freak. Full latex. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

The word twat makes me uncomfortable.

[A]

Really?

[C]

That's the only. That's like one. Coochie's my favorite.

[A]

Coochie is so. It just flows at the time.

[C]

Coochie, coochie, coochie.

[A]

And I feel like, you know, it don't even feel, like, vulgar. It doesn't feel like vulgar teaching.

[C]

Yeah, it's just like.

[A]

It don't even feel like it needs to be, like, bleeped.

[C]

No, you definitely don't.

[A]

Twat is like, I'm just trying to be.

[B]

Look how he's squinting. He's just.

[C]

Yeah, that was too much finger in that twat on the.

[A]

It's just like, you know, I don't know. It's like, she's a lady, like. But the. The P word is very. It's very vulgar.

[C]

But boys, yo, you're like the third girl. Boys love that word this week that I heard say.

[A]

It's like, it's nasty. It's like, in context, it works, right?

[B]

In context.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

In context. Contextual.

[B]

Contextual wetness. Let's get insiders for our audience. Okay. They. So you are currently independent. I am your independent artist.

[A]

We love an independent artist.

[B]

We.

[A]

I want to ask you, do you.

[B]

Plan on staying independent? What are the pluses of being independent? What are the negatives? And with being independent, what's your experience?

[C]

I want to be independent until I build the leverage again. I was in Def Jam, I was in a production company, and it wasn't that shout out to Tunji. He's the one that signed me at Def Jam. Super Cool, still cool with him to this day. But he really signed me off of, like, talent. Not off of a hit or not off motion. He looked me up on Twitter. He was Lucky Day's this artist. So he was looking up Lucky Day's name and he's seen my name at thread a couple of times. And then he looked at my music and he reached out to me. Long story short, I ended up signing because he reached out to me like it was super organic how it happened. But I wasn't ready to sign a deal like I was. I didn't have the leverage. And I know how it goes. Like, when I went on tour with Eric Def Jam, they set that up the production company to sign it up. Eric called me like, you feel me? Like, it was just a lot of things that was happening when I was going. Like, when I was signed, I'm just like, I literally do this dolo. Like, I went through like four different product managers and I don't know if you know what a product manager is, but if your product put like this, if your product manager don't like you, you're not going nowhere. And I went through four different ones and all of them like me, but they. Everybody was just getting fired. It was just a lot of stuff going on in the labels at the time. But yeah, I'M independent now. I'm super happy I did a project like this. I feel like this is my best project I've ever done. I did it in eight days. Cause I was just free to just do me and not have to, like, overthink it. Because when I was working on my album with Def Jam, I was working up, like, six months and went and scrapped it, like, four times. And I'm the type of person. I don't be scrapping. Like, I was just. I'm vibing. Like, I've never had a. This is, like, my first song. I'm, like, legit rolling out because most of my songs are made on live. So, like, the people seen the process. Nothing to roll out. So I'll just drop it and just go. You feel me? But this is, like, my first time actually, like, rolling out and doing it the right way, so.

[B]

And that was actually our next question. Your ep. So give us the name, give us the titles, how many songs, all the things. Let's do the proper rollout questions.

[C]

Look, yeah, I want to say. Yeah, this is definitely an exclusive, because I haven't said the name yet. The name is called Final Say.

[B]

Final Say. That was very Virgo of you.

[C]

For real, what.

[A]

We're going to get into that.

[B]

We have that. Yeah, we've been.

[A]

You know, I love Zodiac Talk.

[C]

I hate it.

[A]

I know you do. The boys hate it. And I love it because it's just like, we have to. We'll get into that in a moment. But, you know, speaking of the independent stuff, I think that it's so cool that so many people are independent now. That was really unheard of 20 years ago that everyone's just, like, independent. There's so many independent artists out there, and I think that it's giving you guys such a leeway to really kind of just be flexible with what you want to. You're not, like, confined by all of these different things. And, you know, I'm just really enjoying everybody kind of taking that route and even, like, you know, going through the distribution, but even still not really doing the full major, you know, for sure things. I just, you know, that's. That's good stuff. I know it's hard work, though.

[C]

It's. It's sick. Because it's one thing to sign your life away and have, like, a little. A little budget, but it's different when you gotta wake up every day and put your real own money into this, and then it's not guaranteed that it comes back. You feel me? That's why I'M really blessed to have real supporters, people that really, like, genuinely care about my music to where it made sense for me to go independent. Because it's like once my advance ran out, I'm like, the only thing keeping me alive is my independent catalog. What is the point of me, like being with you niggas? You feel me? But like 20 years ago, we didn't have the Internet the way like you couldn't just go on your phone on Bandlab and make a song and be competing with yeah, anybody for me. So back then it was just like if you got hand chosen, you was the one. Like if you got signed, you was the one. Because you couldn't. There was nobody competing with you but the other labels. You told me. So at that. At that point, it's just internal.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

When you got labels who got are spending millions and millions of dollars on these artists and then it's like a in his room that just made a song and it's competing on Tick tock and it's like, you feel me? Like now they're like, I was talking to an A R the other day and he was saying, bro, a RS is like the hardest job right now because you have to go for the corny Tick tock. Because everybody's gonna go for them because they're lit. Even if you don't go for them, you can get fired. And if you do, like, you can't go for talent that you believe in because if they don't go, you can get fired. So you have to go for what is lit, you feel me? And it's like most people don't care for what's lit, you feel me?

[A]

So it's like just the old A R reps. They're not going to the speakeasies and finding them off the stage strung out no more.

[C]

Nah, definitely not.

[A]

What a tragedy. Yeah, don't get strung out. But we do need to go back to.

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

Maybe a little drunk.

[A]

Something. You got to have a struggle. Drink them old struggle stories made great talent.

[C]

For sure.

[A]

Something was gonna happen. You want to do our game now or should we? No, let's get into his. Let's get into that Virgo ness.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

When was the last time you needed to go to the doctor but pushed it off? Maybe you were too busy, couldn't find your insurance card or getting health advice from the latest social media trend or influencer is just enough.

[B]

And why is it when you need a new doctor, our first instinct is to post in the group chat. Anyone know a Good PCP or OB gyn. I'm totally guilty of doing it but I always end up finding out that recommendation is is not in network or the office is too far from my house.

[A]

Bad day stories are always good for a laugh and it almost feels like the rite of passage. But a bad doctor appointment, not so much.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Virgo. My arch nemesis.

[C]

For real?

[A]

Yes. Yeah, down.

[C]

You too.

[B]

No, but I don't like the way that Virgo men are so particular. And that's like a personal preference. That's just like you got too many rules for me, you know. And I'll just.

[A]

You guys worry too much about things that don't matter. Like.

[B]

Like even just talking to you just about the music. I could tell it's strict over here. Like I don't. I don't like too much strict.

[A]

But then don't like rules.

[B]

Exactly how that work. Picking up thick. But want to be strict.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

Like a Virgo like that. And that's kind of it.

[C]

I'm very understanding. Let me get myself together. I'm very much understanding. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Stand up for yourself.

[C]

I'm a little different. I'm a little different. I overthink.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I am very much strict for some that I'm like. You feel me? I wouldn't even say strict. I feel like I'm very like the common sense is so common that it's like oh yeah you're doing. But it's just like why are you doing all that? What are we doing this for if we both know this isn't you feel me? And it's not even about relationship. It's just about relationships.

[A]

They want you to read their mind.

[C]

No, I can read yours. That's what it is. I can read yours and mine.

[A]

Y' all not scared.

[C]

It's cool.

[B]

He sounds crazy.

[C]

Like I know exactly what's going on. Like, I literally know what's going on. And that'd be the problem. It's like, I know what's going on. And I was like, I'm gonna. I'm literally predicting what's gonna happen. It's like, oh, yeah, you're doing too much. You're strict.

[B]

It's like when you're picking up the. Listening to the crowd, like, no, she's.

[A]

Going to be hella mad.

[C]

No, that one. That's. I told you, I. I don't have nothing to do with that. They just pick them and they come on there. But when they get on stage, I'm like, oh yeah, I can definitely pick that one up. That's like. It's more like that, you know, I mean. And it's. I've never. It was one time I. I was kind of scared. Like, I wasn't sure. Like I might have tripped this a little too thick. It wasn't though.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But I was like.

[B]

I was just like, you're going to have to. I might be with your knees and not with your back. That's what the old people say.

[C]

I was doing that.

[B]

You will pull a muscle dead ass.

[C]

And they was telling me I got the chicken tender legs. Like when I tell you I don't. I don't. Like when I really be in the gym, I'll be. I'll be leg day in. Because like, I don't got no chest and I don't got no legs. So I'll be heavy on chest, heavy on legs. But were telling me like, because I'm. I'll do like a million pushes before I go on my set. Like literally knock out a good 900,000 quick.

[A]

Something, something real quick.

[B]

Look at him being a Virgo. Turning to the women. 900, 000.

[C]

Like real quick.

[A]

Real slight. Right?

[C]

But it was one of the gym bros. It's like, bro, you know that that's not from the muscle. That's not. That's from them chicken tendies. And I'm like, yo, I'm really stronger than it looks.

[B]

You would do well in pilates.

[C]

Probably not.

[A]

I'm being deadass. The boys sucking Pilates.

[B]

I know. But I'm saying since you don't have no pelvis strong. It sounds like your muscles are strong. Strong because that's what Pilates is.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Like size really doesn't matter in Pilates. It'd be like them little muscles that you don't even think about that you're working.

[A]

My toes were shaking. The Pilates. I swear To God. I said, hello.

[B]

What is that?

[A]

Yes. And then it works. That pelvic floor. And the pelvic floor is very unpredictable.

[C]

What does that mean, ladies?

[B]

The floor of the pelvis.

[A]

You know what I mean, right? Can I not be alone in this moment?

[B]

Am I right?

[A]

When you work your pelvic floor, you feel sensations that you've never felt before inside, internally. Right. Don't you, muscles? Exactly.

[B]

Kegels.

[A]

Boys don't have a pelvic floor or something. I don't. Maybe I feel it in your balls.

[C]

No, hold on. What's the pelvic floor?

[A]

Okay, so you know what a vagina is, Correct?

[C]

For sure.

[A]

So think of internally, inside of the vagina. You have what colloquially, we'll call the walls. Right.

[C]

What's the word you say colloquially? I really like that word.

[A]

Period. Yes. I'm a wordsmith. The walls, the muscles that you know what a kegel is?

[C]

I do.

[A]

Right. So what we are contracting, that is the pelvic floor.

[C]

And y' all doing that in Pilates, right?

[B]

You work so many muscles and Pilates that feel parts of your body that you might not feel.

[A]

Yes. Very important for.

[C]

For ladies and y' all all just being there. Pelvic floored up.

[A]

Pelvic floored up at the same time. Yes. And so the thing is, it's just something about our anatomy, the way things are connected and wired up. Some of the moves you do, you lift up, and next thing you know, pelvic floor, and then you're clenching and you're Kegeling without even trying to kegel. You ever had a sore pelvic floor?

[B]

I mean, in Pilates, you be having a leg by your ear, and it's like, whoa.

[C]

Niggas be having a leg by the.

[B]

Ear there if they're flexible enough. Yeah. I mean, the whole class is doing the same move.

[A]

It's invigorating.

[B]

I feel like the guy who takes my class, his was. His wasn't by his ear, but it was. It was like he wasn't a right angle.

[A]

The boy that was in my class was the most flexible. I said, my God, he was putting me to shame. I couldn't even do some of them moves. I'm not very muscular in general. I don't even work out. So I was in there. It was embarrassing.

[B]

Just stretched.

[A]

Very bad. Velvet floor.

[C]

I do yoga.

[A]

Yoga's cute. You give a yoga vibe.

[B]

You putting your locks up in, like, a bun.

[C]

I haven't done it. I haven't done yoga yet.

[A]

Like, that's what the yoga boys do.

[C]

I might. I might.

[B]

Yeah, that was. That was beside ass, y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

And that's why it's funny, because you were big.

[B]

You be doing that bun.

[A]

Yeah, Put that thing in a bun.

[B]

I like the bun.

[A]

Do girls be trying to retwist your hair into some coochie?

[B]

I did that a lot in college.

[A]

Me too.

[C]

I'm gonna be real with you. I've never got my hair retwisted by a girl. I just like to.

[A]

Is that good? Is that your cheat code? Is that a cheat code? Like you did it on purpose so that you don't fall into some things? Yes, yes, I'm lying.

[C]

I actually did one time back in the day.

[B]

Oh, since he looks lying.

[C]

Yeah, I had to think about it. It was back in the day, though. It was like before. Feel me. But yeah, like I'll be having a little stud. The studs be going crazy off the live game.

[A]

Listen, it's a trap. I do want you to know that every time you. If you put that on your story. Anybody, like here in Atlanta. Yeah. Come. Oh, let me sit between my legs and let me. Let me. You're gonna be at somebody house on that couch. And there's something very essential about some jam. Pass me that.

[C]

Some jam. You don't even know the right word. You just put anything in that.

[B]

I mean, this was about 10 years ago. We ain't have the same rules with.

[A]

The locks that we do now.

[B]

Used to be able to get away with putting anything like jam.

[A]

Beeswax.

[B]

And that's how, you know, bitches is.

[A]

Doing it to get them draws.

[C]

Beeswax. And the locks is the worst thing.

[B]

Is that a throwback? That's a real throwback.

[A]

Them locks gonna be a little musty.

[B]

I did not even know that.

[A]

A little gritty.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

Gonna have a little BDBS in it.

[B]

Sorry to that. Bam.

[A]

That's how you know. You were twisting locks just to get into them draws.

[B]

And it looked good. The parts was fresh regardless, so that's what had mattered.

[A]

Did you get the draws?

[B]

Of course I got the draws. I got the drawers several times outside of the locs.

[C]

Respect.

[B]

Thank you. All right, back to you. That's about us. This is called the unhinged hot seat, which, honestly, you've kind of been in this whole time. But we're just gonna actually put a title on it. Our first question is, what is your favorite physical characteristic of a woman?

[C]

I ain't going to lie. Probably lips. Really?

[B]

No filler.

[C]

How.

[A]

I mean, I Don't even mean, like, as in black.

[C]

It don't got to be, like, big. It's like, the shape.

[B]

It could just be, like, a smirk.

[C]

What you mean? Probably not that. Probably not that part. But, like. Yeah, and eyes. Like, I'm like. I like eyes. Yeah.

[A]

I was like, who you think about?

[C]

No, I'm just thinking about, like, pretty. Nah, women really be beautiful, though. Like, y' all be snapping like that. That's why I'll be making them songs. It's so easy, too, when it's like.

[A]

I do know what you mean.

[C]

Yeah, I really snapping.

[A]

I think women are more beautiful than men.

[C]

I would hope that we all agree.

[A]

Yeah, but it's like, the ratio is not good for us.

[C]

What do you mean by that?

[A]

I would hope there'll be more beautiful men. You know what I mean? Like, if we got 10 men and 10 women, eight of them women gonna be real freaking cute. Two of them boys might be two. I ain't lying to you. I have the data.

[C]

I'm about to start judging if y' all keep saying that, because. Yeah, you don't know if y' all want to stand on that.

[A]

Let me shut this.

[B]

Yeah, he said, baby, I'm their friend.

[C]

No, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about should I stay with a. And you saying only 2 out of 10 is fine. So y' all stay with a.

[A]

Pull up every one of my niggas right now. Put them on the screen. I'm just. Cause you ain't never finna have me looking like that. No, all of my niggas be cute for the most part.

[C]

For the most part.

[B]

For the most part. We just.

[A]

You never had a few that you.

[B]

Just pretended like a sneak.

[A]

I do got some sneaks in there.

[B]

I don't think I have any sneaks, per se. I think I have.

[A]

Well, hold on.

[B]

Hold a one.

[C]

Yeah, we're gonna do that.

[B]

Xavier. I don't even know if that's your real name.

[C]

It is. Xavier.

[B]

It is. Look at me.

[A]

All right.

[B]

No, thanks, niggas. Okay. Sneaks, as in, like, when we were together, you was cool. But then, like, we are not together no more, and you've let yourself go.

[A]

So that's not the same thing.

[C]

No, that's not. That's not what happened.

[B]

But the potential was always there. Like, he was much closer to being that than I was aware.

[C]

He was beating that back in. And when he stopped, this nigga been looking the same. I promise you, he. He never stopped. Hindsight in 2020, you stopped caring. And it's like, wait, this kind of is.

[A]

We go and got a little sneaky, little funny looking.

[B]

He's just. He just dressed a little strange.

[C]

He did before, too.

[B]

No, I'm saying he was.

[A]

So that was your excuse? He. What was the excuse for the sneak? His big.

[B]

His dick was big.

[A]

Okay. Did you see that before you saw the face? You saw a dick first? He led Dick. He went. He walked in dick first. Is that what happened? How did we get to that?

[B]

It was so big. A lot of times he did. You know, I didn't think he was ugly.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I didn't think he was ugly. I've pulled better looking since then.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But at the time, I didn't think he was ugly.

[C]

You didn't give a damn.

[B]

I don't really wanna. I don't. I wouldn't. On no one. I'm not physically attracted to. I mean, I feel like men are like that as well.

[A]

No, men will have sex with women they're not attracted to. Say I'm lying.

[C]

Niggas will. Yeah.

[A]

Like, come on. You. You may not.

[C]

Yeah, I'm not gonna say. I don't know that, though. I don't know if that's true. I know it because niggas won't be physically attracted in the face. But you got something on you.

[A]

You don't think that's crazy?

[C]

A little bit.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But she just said that the nigga wasn't attracted to her at all. It was.

[B]

No, I said I was.

[A]

She said that she was attracted.

[B]

I said I was attracted to him.

[A]

He just wasn't the finest man.

[B]

He wasn't the finest man on the roster.

[C]

But after you was off him, right?

[B]

He didn't let himself go, child. He didn't gain 100 pounds.

[A]

What is a hundred?

[B]

He's.

[A]

That is so okay for him.

[B]

He a big guy, so he carried.

[C]

All right.

[B]

We don't want to get any phobias, but. I know personally, me, but in the.

[A]

Time span, how fast did it take him to gain the 100?

[B]

I think he was going through something.

[C]

Man, you over here judging this.

[B]

I'm. I'm really not.

[C]

You know, he was going through something.

[B]

I. I would only. I would only. I would. I have him blocked on everything. I would only assume that he was going through something because I think whether you lose or gain weight very fast is a sign that something's going on.

[C]

No, definitely this boy.

[A]

Yes. Okay. That was just a messy question.

[C]

Y' all best friends.

[A]

We know each other for a very long time.

[B]

Yeah. We're close friends. We were roommates our freshman year of college. Okay, so she has.

[C]

So I done seen some. Freshman year is a crazy year competition.

[A]

To lose our virginity. Freshman year, we're both virgins. Typed up.

[C]

Respect. How old, y'? All?

[A]

18. I said, I'm losing this thing this year.

[C]

I was the last person to lose my Virginia. All my homies.

[A]

And how old were you?

[C]

17.

[A]

Respectable.

[B]

Respectable for a boy.

[A]

You know, boys scare me when they start telling them ages when they was at 11.

[C]

I know that was at 11.

[B]

Got the nerve to say the girl was 16. 17. You're a victim.

[C]

Oh, real real.

[B]

And we should have called the police. Statue of limitations probably is up on that.

[C]

He didn't really. He, like, started realizing, like, later on.

[A]

In our life that he was so scary.

[C]

Akana was molested, though, G. Yeah.

[A]

I've had a lot of boys tell me, and I'd be like, you mean she was 30, you was 12? That was your mama's friend?

[B]

Like, no, it's like, you gotta swear.

[A]

We should check on the statute of limitation, actually. We can still get her. Yeah. Yeah. It gets wicked. Mm. What's the next question? Okay.

[B]

Which one of your own songs best describes you in bed?

[C]

I guess leg day.

[A]

Care to celebrate?

[C]

I don't even know. That's the thing, though. People be thinking, I don't even think my songs be that freaky. For real. I really don't. I truly don't. Like, I have some songs that's not out. That's like, I got a song called Take It All. That one is kind of crazy.

[A]

It. No, but you said take it all.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm just.

[C]

And the hook is kind of. Yeah, that's definitely. That's not probably, like, what explains me, but that's probably my freakiest song. Like, my craziest thing.

[B]

Next question. Are you on your own sex playlist?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

So you would not have sex to yourself?

[C]

I have, but me putting it on is so you have.

[B]

How was that?

[A]

Did it, like, just come in the shuffle?

[C]

Kind of. It kind of blew me a little bit.

[A]

Was you singing along to it?

[C]

Not singing along to it, but I'm, like, thinking about it. You feel me?

[B]

Like, it's like when someone's watching your tick tock in front of you. Oh, my God.

[C]

Oh, God. That's literally how I feel. That's literally how I felt.

[B]

Damn. You can't even grab. Because you didn't even grab it.

[C]

It wasn't my phone to, like, skip it, you know?

[A]

You like hearing yourself.

[C]

I really not adoring that.

[B]

So she put it on to set the mood.

[C]

It was like a playlist. It was just started playing.

[A]

And she was a real supporter.

[C]

And she started laughing like. I'm like, that's not even. This ain't even a vibe for.

[B]

I think it's kind of funny.

[C]

It wasn't to me.

[B]

I had to laugh a little bit.

[C]

I'm like, okay, like, what, y'?

[A]

All. He's in Virgo. They. They are very critical of the themselves.

[B]

It's program over here. He has a program for sure.

[C]

Got a program.

[B]

Exactly. Coach prime program over here. Okay, so outside of yourself, who makes the best sex music?

[C]

I'm weird, yo. I don't really listen to, like, if I listen to music during sex, I'm not.

[B]

So it's silent.

[C]

No, I wouldn't say that. But like, I don't care for music. I'm not. I don't have to. I don't have to put on music. Like, I'm not a. That's like. Okay, so set the vibe for me.

[A]

Netflix.

[C]

Yeah, put something on. Put something on.

[B]

The office playing in the background.

[C]

Yeah, I'm cool with that. I'm dead cool with that. I can focus on that over my music playing. My music playing. But if it's music playing, it's cool. But like, I'm not like, yo, hold on real quick. We gotta go grab the phone.

[A]

So you don't have a playlist to set the vibe.

[B]

Let's remix the question. What's your favorite thing to have on the TV while you're hunching? Show some.

[C]

That I'm not gonna watch. For sure. That's fire. You feel me? Like, for sure.

[B]

I know ballad.

[C]

I'm not gonna lie.

[A]

I can't see if we're gonna do a show. If we're gonna do a Netflix vibe, a Hulu vibe. I cannot put on something I enjoy on God. Because I'll be like, hold on.

[B]

Dead ass. Serious on God, Stewie.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Get back to it.

[A]

You know what I mean? I get distracted.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

Yes. That's actually happened.

[B]

No, literally, me too. Too.

[C]

For sure.

[A]

Yes. And it's like, I'm so sorry, but. Wait, what did he just say?

[B]

Coming up.

[A]

Still no.

[C]

For real.

[B]

Okay, give us your best pickup line. One liner.

[C]

I don't got one.

[B]

Oh, my God. You just look at.

[C]

I was just talk. No, I was. I was telling somebody the other day. So somebody was like, you don't seem like the type that just be like, walking up to Girls. And I'm like, yo, like, real talk. The only time I've ever walked up to a girl, for real, like, ran down, she literally gave me eye contact. And the eye contact said, pull up. I know women get hit on every day, all day. And I've never wanted to be the nigga that's just, like. That's. How am I even gonna get. You feel me? Like, I see it, like, gotten to.

[A]

The root of the problem.

[C]

What?

[A]

We've just.

[C]

What is it?

[A]

We just crack the code?

[C]

What is it?

[A]

I say this all the time. That a lot of men actually don't approach. And I think that's why y' all assume that we get approached all the time and say, like, I ain't approaching it.

[C]

You know why, though? Think about the things you guys post and the things you guys tweet about and the things that y' all complain about, about how a Dusty will just run down on y'. All. It doesn't matter, though. I don't think just because I'm. I don't. I don't think it's because I know I'm not Dusty that you don't think. Oh, you feel me? You might think I'm not your type. So I'm not gonna just think because people find me attracted that I got the right to just walk down on you and be like, what? Because then I'm really gonna look stupid.

[A]

Okay, so say the girl gives you the eyes.

[C]

Oh, I'm on you. And I'm. And I'm with it. I'm on you. But I'm not gonna say I don't know. Hey, baby, what's your name? Like, I'm just gonna. I don't have a pickup mind. I'm gonna say some regular shit.

[B]

Hello, my name's Xavier.

[C]

Type shit.

[B]

Yeah. Like, real stretch, what we say.

[C]

I don't. I feel like pickup lines. Like, you gotta be a smooth case to really get one of them off.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, you really gotta be one of them ones.

[B]

Yeah. I'm looking like a tall drink of water. And I'm gonna be honest. I'm thirsty.

[C]

You going?

[A]

Did that get you?

[C]

She's going, yeah.

[A]

I laugh so hard.

[B]

I would say that to a boy. I'm not a tall drink of water.

[C]

Oh, you're saying you said so.

[A]

Pause now.

[B]

That was my pickup line.

[A]

You'll be doing pickup lines.

[B]

I haven't in many years, but I did back in the day.

[A]

And that's what you were saying. You were.

[B]

I pulled. No, no. I don't know if you guys remember the meme? It was a picture of Obama standing next to a wooden sign. Wooden sign on the highway. And he was in sunglasses. And the meme was. They used to, like, erase what the sign originally said and just put bullshit. So someone had put the number six and nine. And I dropped that in a boy's DMs, and he definitely came home with me.

[C]

Yeah, that's smooth. That's like. That's not a pickup line. That's a little pickup meme.

[A]

You know, a little pickup meme.

[B]

You feel me?

[A]

So what. What.

[C]

You gotta pick up line, too?

[A]

What's your pickup lines? You be picking up lines?

[B]

I just gave the pickup.

[A]

No, that was DMs. That's shooting shots. You in person. You walk up to a boy. What you saying?

[B]

Oh, what am I saying? What's up with you?

[A]

What's your situation? Why you here? Who you here with?

[B]

I don't have, like, a line, but I'm not. I'm not afraid to start a conversation.

[A]

I am low key.

[C]

I feel you. I'll be like, I just don't want to bother nobody. Like.

[B]

Yeah, but I feel like the setting has to be right. Like if we're, you know, it's a party. Like, I would assume people are here to socialize, right? So if I see some fine shit in the corner, I don't mind going over there and being like, oh, hey, what's up? Plus, I'm kind of funny, so I can, like, whatever the situation calls. Like, oh, my God, I'll make a joke.

[C]

I will walk by the lady. She don't see me.

[A]

If I've seen so many fine and they've gotten away.

[C]

I'm telling you, like, if she could be the.

[A]

There's nothing I could do about the world.

[C]

I'm like, if you don't, you probably got a off rip. You fine as hell. You probably got a, like, crazy assumption. No, it's not.

[B]

It is a crazy assumption. A lot of times girls don't have or they have oh, brother situations and.

[A]

Things like thick shit. I have no lines for no man. I can't. First of all, good God Almighty, I'm so shy.

[B]

You are. She's notorious for. I'm only saying this cause I saw it.

[A]

I'm gonna. That's all I got.

[B]

All I got on me is my eyes. But mind you, much like Zay, he came right over there.

[A]

He knew he.

[B]

And she was loving the club all that night.

[A]

She said, period. Once you. But if the eyes don't work, I'll be like, guess the nigga don't want you. And I'll be like, that's all I got. I can't. I can't. I'm scary. Cause, like, the thought of me talking to a boy and him saying bitch or doing a hell, nah, nah.

[C]

I don't even be thinking of a boy.

[A]

I don't know. I just think of the worst possible scenario, and I'm like, I'm cool.

[B]

The worst they'll say is, I have a girlfriend. A lot of boys like women, and they don't want to be mean.

[A]

I don't want to hear that either. Sorry. I don't want to hear anything but wow. The most gorgeous, amazing, delicious woman I've ever seen in my life.

[B]

You don't want to hear I got a girlfriend. I'm like, whenever that happens. I do, like, type shit. I love black love. Yeah.

[C]

I would be like, you just leave it at that.

[B]

Cause you told me you got a girl. I had a dude be like, she not black. I'd be like, you single? But it was a joke. I wasn't gonna go further.

[A]

But he.

[C]

I definitely don't believe you.

[A]

Yeah. No. She's deadass. I'm so. No. I would be embarrassed if they said anything other than, wow, will you marry me? Like, no, I can't. You have a girlfriend. Be like, oh, wow, thanks. I'm gonna kill myself now, for real. Thanks. That's crazy.

[B]

That's so crazy.

[A]

Embarrassment is my biggest fear.

[B]

And maybe that's the difference because I don't feel embarrassment a lot. It's like I contextually be knowing is embarrassing.

[C]

I don't either, but I don't feel, like, one thing about me. If I feel embarrassed, I'm going to approach the situation, and off rip. I'm good. Like I always said, if I'm performing and I fall, I promise you. Stop the music real quick. We gotta collectively talk about this. I'm not about to just continue. That's. Then I'm gonna be embarrassed. I'm gonna fuck up everything y. I.

[A]

Actually think about embarrassments to this day. Like, they haunt me for life.

[C]

I feel you.

[A]

Because I do.

[C]

I have embarrassed moments, and they definitely haunt me. But it takes so much for me to get embarrassed because I usually, like, know what's going on.

[A]

Like, you ever wave at somebody and, like, they weren't looking at you? I think about that, like, for days on that. They weren't looking at you, you dumbass. You like, what the is you doing? Like, stupid.

[C]

That is embarrassing.

[B]

Now.

[A]

I Just be like, damn, you know.

[B]

What I always do? I always dap myself up because it's like, other people can see.

[C]

I'd be like, oh, good.

[A]

Double embarrassment.

[B]

That was double embarrassing.

[A]

I just feel like my embarrassment comes over me physically. It starts from my toes and just.

[B]

I just feel like, yes.

[A]

Yeah. Secondhand embarrassment hurts. But it also be kind of funny.

[C]

Like, no, that hurts.

[A]

What are you doing?

[B]

So bad that I will have to fast forward through some parts of, like, TV shows where I'm like, I can't watch this.

[C]

Stop watching.

[B]

Watching it.

[C]

Literally, I can't stop watching it.

[A]

Like, I kind of enjoy it. Maybe that's what other people. It's like, it's not just me. You're human, too.

[B]

Well, next question. What's your favorite sex position?

[A]

We wrote that.

[B]

That's what it said.

[A]

Unhinged. Okay, go ahead.

[C]

Probably missionary. I like to say control, tight shift.

[B]

Tight shift, strict program. You've said nothing. Everything you said has lined up with what we've said about you.

[C]

I didn't say you didn't. It was wrong, though.

[B]

Okay. Do we have any additives there?

[A]

Missionary is great.

[B]

Missionary likes to take control. Eye contact. Is that another thing? Yeah. You said you like pretty faces so you can look at the face. Things I've heard say before, depending on the boy. Like, I. I've. I've. I've had a boy say that. Like, no, I like this because I want to look at your face. And she's like, oh, that's freaking.

[A]

That's nice. You think I'm pretty?

[B]

I'm just curious what's mine. I like from the side.

[C]

No, from the side.

[B]

Kind of go for it from the side. You know, that is.

[A]

You know, that's a.

[B]

That's a.

[A]

That's the old. That's a banger.

[B]

And then. And then if you know what he doing.

[A]

That's the old morning dew. Well, he get to DJing.

[B]

Just DJ? Yeah. You ain't got to move around too much.

[A]

You just do what you do, baby. Yes.

[B]

Have you ever had help from a sex toy in the bedroom? Real Virgo shit.

[C]

Little rose.

[A]

Little rose. Never heard.

[C]

I never heard no more than a little rose. I don't know about nothing else, to be honest with you.

[B]

Oh, really? Have you ever had the rose put on your balls?

[C]

Absolutely not. Probably never will happen. I just don't see the.

[B]

It's a tingling sensation.

[C]

For what, though?

[B]

While other things are happening.

[A]

Boys don't like all them extra doohickeys.

[C]

I'm not gonna lie. The Extra. Extras is not extra.

[B]

Sensations aren't going.

[A]

We did have a fellow right into our podcast. He gave us a very descriptive of his, you know, sex bouquets and things. And he let us know that he uses a cock ring.

[B]

Well, he sent us a picture of his dick.

[A]

So we sent us a picture of his penis.

[B]

Would you ever get a cock ring?

[A]

Very scary.

[C]

I'm gonna be real. I don't even know what the fuck that is.

[A]

Okay, so let me explain.

[B]

He grew up in church. He's on the right track.

[C]

I'm weak.

[A]

A cock ring is.

[C]

Yo, I hate that word too.

[A]

It's so Caucasian twat.

[C]

It's the same. Yeah, the same shit.

[A]

So basically it's literally like a. A ring that you would put on your PP all the way down to the base. It's usually tighter. It's supposed to be a tighter fit.

[C]

I think I know tomorrow.

[A]

To keep the erection strong, it just, you know. But it also allows for the restriction of blood flow. And if you know anything about restrictions.

[C]

Don't hurt.

[A]

I don't know. I don't have one of those.

[C]

So.

[B]

Just any men in the audience, Any Cochrane users.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

One of the niggas is lying.

[A]

That's just what I've heard through the grapevine. That it keeps the blood flow a little bit restricted and it keeps it stiff.

[C]

But. What was that? Why'd y' all ask that for? What was that? Where'd that one come from?

[A]

What was the point?

[B]

I asked. Did you? Did you? Oh.

[A]

Cause we asked if you had help with the.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then I asked, would you ever get a cock ring?

[C]

Maybe if my girl wanted me to.

[B]

That's a good answer.

[C]

Because I'm not going to buy a cock ring. That's crazy.

[B]

Excuse me. You perhaps may sell cock rings here.

[C]

She gonna have to go cop that for me, like.

[A]

And some of them have vibrators on the.

[C]

See what I'm saying? We're doing too much.

[A]

And it vibrates the base.

[B]

He's old fashioned. He's a southern man.

[C]

That's too fucking too much. Yeah, I'm good on that.

[A]

Lesbians use a lot of toys. So I've learned a lot about things.

[C]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Oh, you was asking if I was lesbian. No.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I just know a lot of gays and I love them and I asked them many questions. Cuz I am curious.

[C]

You with a girl before?

[A]

No.

[C]

You definitely have. I know you have. You got red hair on this.

[B]

I did. Used to be a student.

[C]

A stud. Please Let me see a picture. You was studded up for real.

[A]

Now, the thing we have to give a disclaimer, Mecca was dressing like a stud. Was not active.

[B]

I was actively in high school, though. I wasn't active with anyone.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I like to see myself as like Pat. You know, Pat.

[A]

Who is Pat?

[B]

The asexual character.

[C]

From what?

[A]

Can we get more information?

[B]

Wasn't Pat on SNL or something? Was Pat on snl? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they was like, are you a boy?

[A]

Are you a girl?

[B]

And Pat would be like, I'm Pat.

[C]

I never see that before.

[A]

I've definitely had. I've had girls hit on me. I just got so shy. There was this girl in Hampton. You know who I'm talking about?

[C]

She knows exactly.

[A]

There was a stud at Hampton. She wanted me bad.

[C]

When y' all go stud, though, over a girl, it confuses me.

[A]

Studs are girls, but.

[C]

But they be going like.

[A]

They're just masculine presenting is what you're referring to, you know, See, here's the thing with lesbians. You're still a girl. And so there's a certain energy. There's. When she.

[B]

Take them ithacas off, guys.

[A]

I was gonna say studs have big boobs and big boob boobs, big ass. They beat. I've seen some that are girl.

[C]

No, I don't see some studs. I was going crazy.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Getting hot now.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

They're still women.

[C]

No, I've been. I didn't. I don't got no problem with studs at all.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. That's why certain lesbians, there's. There's so many different variations of gay. You know, there's femme on femme, thim on stud, stem and stem.

[B]

Stud on stud or stem.

[A]

That's my favorite variation.

[C]

Stud on stud.

[A]

Stud on stud.

[B]

When I was a stud, I used to think other studs was cute.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

If we gonna be gay, we gonna be gay.

[C]

Just go all the way.

[B]

I go all the way and look gay.

[C]

Hold on. What's a stem?

[A]

A stem is a blend of feminine presenting woman and a stud. Think Kehlani when she cut her hair off. Not now. She's giving full on femme. But she used to be. But she gets stimulants.

[B]

I don't feel like you can.

[C]

She's a stim on Instagram that go crazy. She be doing like the transitions. I bet you the transition videos.

[B]

What's her name? Amber.

[C]

I have no idea.

[A]

Amber's Closet.

[B]

We're too deep. We're too deep.

[A]

She's like an iconic. She's like my first. She's actually my first stint.

[C]

No, it's like a girl on Instagram, but she be studded up.

[A]

I love studs because they're very like, obsessed with themselves and they're always like, you know, like they call them. They call them like, hey, Mamas. Hey, Ms. Mamas. That's what I call them. Because that's what they'd be like. Yo, hey, Ms. Mamas. You know, they be licking their lips and things. And they're very like, sexy though. You know who K1 is? That's my crush of the evening. I've been talking about her for now.

[C]

K1 go crazy.

[B]

Do you know who she is?

[A]

Yeah, she goes, she's amazing. And she's very sexy. She's really pretty.

[B]

And she has a lot of sex appeal.

[A]

She has so much sex appeal. Studs have. It's something in them eyes. The stud eyes. Sexy. You know what I mean? You ever looked in the stud eyes?

[B]

Complimentary.

[A]

Next time you watch K1 videos, you might feel something. I'm telling you, she got the. And then she put her head down like this and then she hit the. I'll be like, now wait a minute, girl. I be thinking. I'm just saying. I be thinking. I really be thinking. Did we have another question? Cause we got real.

[B]

We just went all over the place. No, that was it.

[A]

No, we did have another one.

[B]

We already asked him that.

[A]

Oh, that. Because he answered his. That.

[B]

He answered that at the top. That was me being a journalist.

[A]

Yeah, it was basically. Do you approach women or do you like for women to approach you? So essentially you like for women to approach you?

[C]

No, say that. Oh, I like, I just got. I just gotta know that you want me to entertain you or that you.

[A]

So how do you know that?

[C]

I just told you that. Like, you just said you'll eye a down. Okay, so I'm reading rooms, like if I want you or if I'm on you or I'm gonna. I'm gonna be on you.

[A]

So you don't like when women approach you?

[C]

Not really. Unless it's like on some organic. Like we just. In a conversation. It's just like. But like running down on me. Like.

[A]

If a woman approaches you and she's like, I'm such a big fan. I've been following you forever. Is it a turn off?

[C]

It depends on how she look. No, it depends on that. On the approach.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love your Music, Give me your number.

[A]

Because we were talking to.

[C]

That would have happened. Yeah. But.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we were talking to Lou Young. We had an interview with him, and he was saying that he gets, like, super icked out if a girl comes up to him, like, oh, my gosh. Like, I like your videos. He's just like. He would prefer her to be a little bit ignorant about who he is in that way. So I was just curious to see if that was something that you feel.

[C]

But you feel like you, Lou, do videos. You feel me? Like he's doing. So somebody come up to me and said they just. They, like, kind of fanned all over me doing. That's completely different. People take music serious. You feel me? So some people. I really love your music. Like, you feel me?

[B]

I can see what you're saying. Because I do feel like telling someone, like, as a content creator myself, I, too, will be a little icked out. Someone. People be like, when. When used. Like, that is an opportunity to pop up.

[C]

That's so weird.

[B]

But music people are like, oh, my God, I love this. Like, honestly, Beyonce, I love you. Make me a third, right?

[A]

Hold on now.

[B]

You gonna be a third with J, hypothetically? No. Oh, I would be like, it's me, you, and the Holy Ghost. Like, we're not actually doing that. But it's just like, you know, I feel like you could lead with music. I get what you're saying.

[A]

Yeah. And it's just like, I feel like it's a little bit more passive, too. Like, you could just so happen to hear someone's music on the pass by, versus, like, you kind of have to really be, like, locked in with them for sure. I don't. I don't think I've ever had a boy say that.

[C]

Even though I've seen loose videos on my timeline a lot before I started following a nigga because he just got motion. You feel me? So it's like you could see somebody's. But for you to say, you a fan, you're locked in. Like, you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know what the hell I would say if a boy said that to me. Like, to. To actually try to talk to me now, if it happens after. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Wait, I don't get what you're saying.

[A]

Like, if they were trying to approach me was just like, I'm such a fan of your videos. Can I get your number? I would be like, I don't know. I don't know what I would do.

[C]

What if he was like, you dope? I fuck with your work.

[A]

See, we put it like that I am dope, you know? So it's like. I feel like it's all in how you say it. Because I do get cringed out very easily. Like, it don't take much to cringe me out. You know what I'm saying? You could stumble on your words. Oh, sorry. That did it. Should have been smoother. I don't know. Like, so I feel like it depends. It also depends on what they look like. You know what I'm saying? When you a certain level of fine, I fear you could do damn near anything. Never said I was hard.

[B]

So you're saying you easy.

[A]

I never said that either. I'm just saying I'm a good. Pretty privileged, you know, it's just a little. Pretty privilege.

[B]

It's just a little. For the boys.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like it's the same with boys too. Like, if a girl is like really, really attractive and she approaches you like, like, you know what I'm saying? You'll be a little easier on her, depending. No. Oh, stress program.

[C]

It depends though. Like I said, it depends. Like, yeah, pretty is not enough for me. It's never, ever, ever, ever been. That's why I don't got kids. That's why I don't be. You feel me? It's like. It's just. I do got a program. I ain't gonna lie. It's got to make sense.

[B]

You giving money for the clinic.

[C]

I mean, I never had to do that before.

[B]

Okay, pull out game strong.

[C]

I'm talking about strong. Hell, I don't be fucking wrong like that either. Like, it's got to make sense.

[B]

Put a condom on, then pull out.

[A]

Safe sex. Everybody please get the greatest form of sexual intercourse. This is your reminder to get tested. Because I know a lot of you.

[B]

Have not gotten three months or in.

[A]

Quite a new partner.

[C]

Definitely haven't this year. I know motherfuckers ain't got touched this year. You need to go through that.

[A]

And what month is this? Eight?

[C]

Yes, it's the eighth month.

[A]

My God, it's the eighth one. I know y' all burning.

[C]

I mean, I hope not. I wasn't gonna say that.

[B]

Yeah, I would hope not. But there are symptoms. Our body lets us know when things are going wrong and often times we ignore.

[A]

But see the men, a lot of men don't have symptoms. So y' all are just pass. And that's why they don't get tested often, cuz they don't show as many symptoms. I be like, it. I'M I'm scrape. I'm big scrape.

[B]

Let that man go in. And all of a sudden, you got bumps and all type of. And then you know, that wasn't me. Go to the clinic.

[C]

Yeah. You saying that wasn't me.

[B]

Do be saying that wasn't me.

[C]

We all living the same life.

[B]

What?

[C]

Like. Cause y', all, like, I feel like we all got similar stories.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like everybody wasn't happy to them.

[C]

No, I was just talking about. You just saying what niggas be saying. I've been saying it the whole time. Like, niggas be. I mean, and there's a lot of things that women be doing that y' all was saying. And I'm like, that's what women be doing.

[A]

What I was saying is I've only met, like, very, very few people that's like, oh, my gosh, you're so incredibly different. Everybody be like, we have very similar upbringings. Especially once you narrow it down to, like, you know, race and socioeconomic status is like, it's some very similar experiences that we, you know, have. And then once we get into them signs.

[C]

I disagree. What's y' all sign? I didn't even ask y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Yes. I love when people guess my sign.

[C]

Gemini.

[B]

She just gives. Crazy, huh?

[A]

Good job.

[C]

Every. My mom and my sister are Geminis, period.

[A]

Oh, so you. I hate when people say that's the.

[C]

Only sign I know about.

[B]

Wow, you are.

[C]

I'm Pat Scorpio.

[B]

No, my mom is a Scorpio, though. I bless the daughters of Scorpios.

[C]

What are you?

[B]

I'm Aries.

[C]

I would have never guessed that. I don't know nothing about Aries.

[A]

Crazy.

[C]

I know about Scorpios, though.

[B]

Why you know about Scorpios?

[C]

I used to deal with a Scorpio.

[A]

They're very.

[B]

They're another particular brand of person. Scorpio women.

[C]

She was nice.

[B]

Yeah. No, I'm not saying that. My mom's really nice. She's just very particular. Yeah, she's very particular about things.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But nice, nice people. They can be.

[A]

So talk about Aries.

[C]

Yeah. What are Aries about?

[B]

Much like my hair. Aries are fire signs. Much like my past as Pat and now as Mecca. Unpredictable. I don't mind sharing my feelings. I don't care about what I say. Like, I'm just known for being, like, kind of loud and boisterous. We are also known for being particularly aggressive at times, which some people say.

[A]

Cause she fights. Allegedly.

[B]

Also, we are known for being, like, loyal but passionate. So some can mistake aggression and passion like it's a thin line.

[C]

Gotcha.

[B]

Like, I'm a very. Like, I too have program, See, because game sees game.

[C]

Why are you. I feel like everybody should.

[B]

Everybody should have program, but not everyone's program is strict.

[A]

I'm not strict at all, to be honest.

[C]

I have a strict problem.

[A]

Well, now, hold on. I don't just let things go. I just feel like I be. You know what I'm saying? I just float with the wind. And I'm not. I'm just not a strict individual about certain things.

[B]

He didn't like that. Cause he's strict.

[C]

I'm trying to figure out what makes me strict, though.

[A]

And the thing is, you know, you're strict, so you ask anything. That's crazy. You don't think you're strict?

[C]

I just don't go for bullshit. Like, I'm just.

[A]

What do you think that means?

[B]

I'm not strict.

[A]

I'm just not near bullshit.

[C]

Like, it's. It's something.

[B]

So what is the bullshit that is.

[C]

In what situation? Like a relationship or.

[B]

Yeah, we're talking about relationships.

[C]

All right, if we both know this isn't going to work, right? But we just like each other, why.

[B]

Are we acting like it's a relationship?

[C]

Why are we doing this?

[B]

Honestly?

[C]

And it looks like I'm an asshole. It like you're an asshole when you get.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Same.

[C]

Super transparent. It's like, what are we doing?

[B]

Mind you, she be trying to sometime. I just want to vibe. Can a just vibe sometimes is it a crime to vibe?

[C]

Jamila, you know what? I take relationships very serious because I feel like people forget that a relationship is supposed to lead to marriage, right? And then when you, like, literally in a relationship, like the very first step as a human that you're doing is raw, right? And then when you raw, you're literally gonna. You could have kids, and then you can have kids with somebody that you really don't even know if you. You know what I'm saying? It's like you're just in a relationship.

[B]

Very serious.

[C]

Because. And a lot of people get in relationships because they're wrong and they feel like, you with me, I'm with you. We with each other every day. And it's just like, I'm not into that. I'm not. We. It's got to make perfect. It's only one woman met my mom, but my mom moved on south, back down south when I was 17 or 16. I've been on my own South 17. So we had to take a trip to go see my mom. That's why that definitely has a thing. But even when I was. When my mom was in Connecticut, like I said my. All my was having girls at their crib. Nah. Not going. Nah. I was never like that.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not doing all that now. I'm very like. I don't know. You tell me about Gemini since you know Gemini so well.

[C]

Cry baby.

[A]

I've never cried in my life.

[C]

You're a liar.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You're emotional and you might not cry. Like, do you think I'm. Are you in May or June?

[A]

May, the best month.

[C]

Okay. So like you kind of just be everywhere a little bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Now that, like, you don't. You're good at a lot of things and then you kind. It takes you. It takes you. You don't know exactly what you want to do and it kind of fuck you up. Cause you just like all over.

[A]

Well, now, hold on.

[B]

He started dragging.

[A]

I was gonna say. Wait, wait.

[C]

We was going. My sister is like that. My sister's May, and she. She's so talented at mad shit. But she's like. It's so much shit she's good at. It'd be taking her a minute to lock in on one thing. And when she do lock in, she kind of be like, I wanna do something else. I'm kinda be off this right now.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I get bored easily in general, just with many things. But yeah, I definitely be all over the place. Adhd, boots, just, you know, there's so many things that interest me and I just be. Wanna do them all. But I don't think I'm very emotional like that. Do you think I'm a mom?

[C]

Is the June one. The June ones are my mom.

[B]

I think that Jameela just doesn't show her emotions to a lot of people. I think saying that you're not emotional would not be correct. Cause I think we're all emotional.

[C]

Yeah, we're all emotional.

[B]

You know, we all have feelings. Even as an Aries, I'm a thug. But in my room, I cry sometimes.

[A]

I definitely don't like people seeing me cry. I feel like I'm not a weak bitch. I don't ever want you to see me cry because I am a ball of sunshine.

[C]

I ain't. I was crying today.

[A]

What she was crying about.

[C]

I was listening to. Listening to gospel. And that got me in my feelings.

[A]

Was it grateful, cuz? Grateful. Take me through, my God.

[C]

No, it wasn't a gospel. It was a. A sermon. It Was a sermon.

[B]

Yeah, the part that be making me cry.

[C]

I ain't never been a that's scared to cry. I'm not about to be boohooing. That's just not my song.

[B]

Just like that one te I was.

[C]

A couple but I'm not. I'm not sitting here trying to hide her or nothing. Like cuz I'm. It's usually cuz I'm happy or like because like I'm very thankful. Like you feel me? It's like. That's usually the like most recent cries I had or like cry whenever I.

[B]

Watch A Star is Born with Lady Gaga.

[C]

A what?

[B]

A Star is Born. Oh, she commits suicide at the end and it literally always makes me cry, even though I know it's coming.

[A]

I love crying at things I've cried before.

[B]

Yeah, it's like, ugh, this is gonna make me cry.

[C]

Wait, you said what?

[A]

I love crying at things I've cried at before. Does it make sense? Like, you know I've already cried at this. I'm gonna cry again.

[B]

Like when Paul gets himself Temptations. So sad.

[C]

Because I have never even made a sad song because I feel like for you to put on a song to cry is so uncomfy.

[A]

No.

[C]

Sometimes like that and I. I enjoy it. I just don't. I don't like sad songs.

[A]

Maybe that's why I don't consider myself to be emotional because I have pre planned cries.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yes. Sometimes when I was like, I ain't cried in a minute. Let me go ahead and put on, set it off. Watch Queen Latif get lit up and cry, you know what I'm saying? Day after day and I'm balling every single time. And there are some songs like every. If I hear Donnie Hathaway right now drop tears every single time. So I do it just to feel connected. Last time I cried, actually I want. I went and saw Michael Jackson's house.

[B]

Oh, she was crying at Michael Jackson's house.

[A]

Wait, what you mean she's at Michael Jackson's house?

[C]

Like his real house?

[A]

His real house? The one he died in.

[C]

I saw his room like it was a tour.

[B]

He was on a sleigh tour.

[A]

I about got out that goddamn car.

[C]

Who else was crying?

[B]

Just her. I was.

[A]

No one understood the magnitude of what was happening.

[B]

It really wasn't sad. But you know, I understand for her it was last time I used to cry when it wasn't sad.

[A]

We saw Michael Jackson's dwelling the last place he laid his head.

[C]

Oh, so you was crying out of, like, sadness. I thought you was crying cause you was, like, excited type shit.

[A]

I was crying because it was Michael Jackson's house.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

And I'm his daughter.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I love him. Like, that's like, you know my fun fact. I'm. I love Mike Jackson. So we was on a tour, right? And it was unexpected. We was on a little celebrity house tour. But, you know, sidebar. The idea of taking a tour to people's house is type crazy. But it was cool.

[B]

We saw so many houses.

[A]

We saw so many houses.

[C]

We would have to go see his house, though.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. So we were on a tour and he was like, okay, do you guys want to see some more houses or you guys want to go see this? We were like, take us to see Beyonce house. He was like, she lives in Bel Air. No. Oh, okay. Sorry. I didn't know it was, you know. And so he was like, okay, well, let's go see somewhere else. Did not know we was going to see Michael Jackson house. So then he pulls up and he was like, yes, to the right here is Elvis Presley's house. I'm like, period. Hey, Elvis, you be still in music, taking pictures. Click, click. And he was like, yes, to the left is Elvis Presley's son in law's house. I immediately parked up. No one else is moving. I'm like, hello, Michael Jackson.

[C]

That's his son in law.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He was married to Lisa Marie at some point in the early 90s.

[A]

Yes. They got divorced though, around the Dangerous album.

[C]

I'm confused. Wait, what?

[B]

Pop music history class, who was who?

[C]

Wait, what? Say that.

[A]

Okay, so let's break it down around the Dangerous Album era in the 90s, right, right. Michael Jackson married Lisa Marie Presley. Elvis daughter.

[C]

Got you.

[A]

Yes, everybody. It was the talk of the town. It was very scandalous. Cause it's like, this is Elvis daughter, you know what I'm saying? It's like that was a music royalty family. And then you married Michael Jackson. And a lot of people thought it was fake.

[C]

It wasn't fake.

[B]

I think it was fake.

[C]

It sounds fake.

[A]

The jury's still out on that.

[C]

It sounds fake as hell.

[A]

Nonetheless. We saw that house and I lost my goddamn mind.

[C]

It was right next to each other.

[A]

Cross the damn street.

[C]

You was there too?

[B]

Yeah, I videotaped her crying.

[A]

Yes. I felt great. Shut the hell up. Okay, now let's go ahead. I was gonna talk about Michael for a whole other.

[B]

I was about to start zoning out.

[A]

All right, okay, So I want you to let everybody Know about your new song Rex, and let them know when they can expect it, because probably by the time this comes out, the song will be out. So they can go ahead and stream it, right?

[C]

Yeah. My new Rex, from my ep, like vinyl say that I was saying, will be out the 14th of August very soon.

[A]

So in a couple of days.

[C]

Yeah, this Thursday.

[A]

Are you excited?

[C]

I'm very excited. It's my first single independently since Def Jam. It's got a little bit of traction already.

[B]

Love that for you.

[C]

You think it's gonna do good?

[B]

I think so, too.

[C]

I want y' all to hear the ep.

[A]

Well, we gonna listen to it.

[B]

Send it over.

[A]

I wanna hear before it's released so I can say I heard it before it was released exclusive. Okay, so now we're gonna hear you perform. So can you introduce the song that you're about to perform for us?

[C]

I'm gonna sing, Baby and Too Much by, say, France, period.

[A]

Well, thank you so much. Let's go ahead and get you over there to the band.

[B]

He gonna hem and ha, y' all.

[A]

And the microphone.

[D]

Feelings going I'm fall back Would you like that? But let me know my bed if I'm out of the pocket let go hey, hey I ain't seen it, I need it but nobody else can be with you Sneakers don't deserve your feelings gone I'm fall back Would you like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Future.

[D]

Don'T deserve Would you like oh, what's up? Hey, see that? I need it but nobody else can be sure Sneakers of dessert even on a work y feel is gonna fall back Would you like that?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Oh, whoa, Hey.

[C]

Y' all snap, I ain't gonna lie.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

I called your phone, you ain't answer what the you doing? Oh, got me feeling like you don't want me by the way you moving oh, I just need to know my girl Am I, am I so much? Yeah, yeah let me know Am I, am I too much for you, baby? What's the problem? Maybe I could solve it. You need to commun with me, baby Let me know you let me know More your body, more your body.

[B]

Am.

[D]

I, am I too much you? Oh, yeah Just let me know Am I too much? Oh.

[C]

Oh. Yes, sir.

[B]

Wow. That was so dope, Zay. The mic was on. The vocals are there.

[A]

Shout out to vibe control again. Y' all always do what y' all need to do. Thank you so much. Make sure y' all check out Zay Francis. New EP coming soon. Final say and make sure y' all follow him on all platforms. And this has been another amazing episode of Unhinged and Immoral. Bye.