Would You WIPE Your Friend’s Butt?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unhinged & Immoral – Episode: "Would You WIPE Your Friend’s Butt?"

Release Date: July 10, 2025
Hosts: Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans
Production: Diamond MPrint Productions

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Introduction

In this episode of Unhinged & Immoral, hosts Mecca and Jamila Bell delve into the depths of friendship boundaries, exploring just how far one might go to support or assist a friend. With their signature blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and unfiltered opinions, they tackle sensitive and sometimes outrageous scenarios that test the limits of loyalty and generosity.

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1. Friendship Boundaries: Would You Wipe Your Friend’s Butt?

The episode kicks off with a provocative question: "What is the most you would do for your friend? Would you wipe their ass? Give them thousands of dollars? Or even a kidney?" (02:17). The hosts engage in a candid discussion about the lengths one might go to for friendship.

Jamila shares her readiness:
"I would totally give my friends a kidney." (02:59)

Mecca adds humorously:
"I wouldn't even think about it." (03:01)

The conversation highlights differing perspectives on unwavering support, emphasizing personal boundaries and the practicality of such extreme acts.

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2. Financial Boundaries in Friendships: Co-signing Loans and Lending Money

Transitioning from personal favors to financial assistance, Mecca and Jamila discuss the complexities of lending money or co-signing loans for friends. They weigh the risks and benefits, stressing the importance of understanding a friend's financial reliability.

Mecca reflects on her cautious nature:
"I'm very on the finances. I like to do stuff that I can just give you the money as a gift rather than getting attached." (08:58)

Jamila concurs, emphasizing the awkwardness of financial entanglements:
"It's kind of shitty to ask somebody to co-sign a loan if you're their friend because now you're putting them in an awkward situation." (09:51)

The hosts advise setting clear boundaries to maintain healthy friendships without jeopardizing personal finances.

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3. Involvement in Crimes: Loyalty vs. Legal Obligations

The discussion then shifts to ethical dilemmas involving criminal activities. Mecca and Jamila debate whether they would commit crimes with friends or risk betraying them by reporting illegal actions.

Mecca asserts her stance:
"I wouldn't want to know the details. I need plausible deniability." (14:25)

Jamila reinforces the importance of self-preservation:
"If I did a crime, I probably would tell my friends. Unfortunately, I can't keep anything from them." (17:54)

They conclude that while loyalty is important, personal safety and legal consequences take precedence over maintaining friendships through illicit activities.

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4. Personal Anecdotes: Sensory Sensitivities and Comfort Zones

Adding a personal touch, the hosts share their sensory experiences and preferences that influence their daily lives and interactions.

Mecca discusses her commando lifestyle:
"I've been going commando for 20 years. I just want to put my one layer of covering on and go." (27:34)

Jamila reveals her sensory issues:
"I have sensory issues. Certain textures, like microfiber towels, send shivers down my spine." (24:00)

These anecdotes provide listeners with a deeper understanding of the hosts' personalities and the unique challenges they navigate.

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5. Listener's Dilemma: Navigating a Toxic Relationship and Manipulation

A significant segment involves a listener's detailed account of a tumultuous relationship characterized by manipulation and emotional turmoil. The listener, a 24-year-old female, narrates her experience with a manipulative partner who faked a pregnancy to maintain control over her.

Listener's Story Highlights:

• Initial Attraction and Rapid Intimacy:
  "I fucked him after the first date because after I saw what he was packing, I couldn't resist." (53:00)

• Manipulative Tactics:
  "I told him my period was late and tampered with the pregnancy test." (56:31)

• Emotional Breakdown and Advice Sought:
  She seeks guidance on how to handle the manipulative behavior while maintaining professionalism due to shared workspaces.

Hosts' Response:

Mecca bluntly advises:
"You've lost your mind. You should not be faking pregnancies to get a nigga to stay." (60:36)

Jamila emphasizes self-preservation:
"Stop acting crazy. Move on and focus on yourself." (66:51)

The hosts provide no-nonsense advice, encouraging the listener to prioritize her well-being over a toxic relationship.

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6. Fun Facts and Listener Comments

Towards the end of the episode, Mecca and Jamila share intriguing fun facts and respond to listener comments, adding an interactive element to the show.

Mecca shares a quirky fact:
"The owner of Little Caesars was paying Rosa Parks rent for the latter half of her life." (30:54)

Listener Interaction Highlights:

• Spooky Experiences:
  "My toddler points at my grandma, laughs, giggles and blushed. Mind you, my grandma passed two years prior." (68:43)

• Personal Anecdotes:
  "I met Fat Joe at HEB and got his autograph." (46:00)

These segments foster a sense of community and engagement, allowing listeners to feel connected to the hosts and each other.

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Conclusion

Unhinged & Immoral delivers a compelling blend of deep discussions on friendship and personal boundaries, interspersed with humorous anecdotes and candid advice. In this episode, Mecca and Jamila navigate through the challenging terrains of supporting friends, handling financial matters, resisting involvement in crimes, and overcoming toxic relationships. Their unfiltered approach ensures an entertaining yet insightful listen for those seeking both laughter and meaningful conversations.

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Notable Quotes:

• Mecca on Financial Boundaries:
  "I wouldn't co-sign a loan for a friend. I'd rather lend the money without expecting it back." (08:04)

• Jamila on Manipulative Relationships:
  "You shouldn't be faking pregnancies to get a nigga to stay. Focus on yourself." (60:36)

• Mecca on Loyalty:
  "I wouldn't even think about giving a kidney." (03:01)

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Key Takeaways:

1. Set Clear Boundaries: Whether it's personal favors or financial assistance, establishing limits is crucial for maintaining healthy friendships.
2. Prioritize Self-Preservation: Loyalty should never come at the expense of personal safety or legal standing.
3. Recognize Manipulative Behavior: Identifying and addressing toxic relationships is essential for mental and emotional well-being.
4. Embrace Personal Comfort: Understanding and respecting one's sensory sensitivities can lead to a more comfortable and fulfilling life.

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Transcript

[Mecca]

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[Melissa]

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[Mecca]

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[Mecca]

Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged. Anymore.

[Melissa]

I'm Mecca. And I'm Jamila.

[Mecca]

And we are going to get straight into topics. Because last episode, we got so distracted that for this episode, we have two topics. Because our good friend.

[Melissa]

Thick Dick Theodore. We speak your name.

[Mecca]

You.

[Melissa]

You got us off track so bad.

[Mecca]

So we have to get. We have to stay focused this time. Um, I'll read the first topic and we're gonna say, what, Jameela? What is the most you would do for your friend? Would you wipe their ass? Would you give them thousands of dollars? Would you give them a kidney? Like, what. How far is too far? Or would you. Or would you. Would you do, like, B. Simone and watch them struggle and then bring them on the podcast?

[Melissa]

I was gonna say, unlike B. Simone, I do.

[Mecca]

And make your friend talk about how we watched her struggle.

[Melissa]

Yikes. I feel like I am. I think I'm a good friend. I think if you surveyed my friends, they would say she's decent. You know, I think that I try my best to be a good friend. I would go pretty far for my friends. No shade. Like when you. You know, when your parents say, would you jump off a bridge if your friends did so? Probably. Like, like, why did they do It. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would do some things because my friends did it. I would totally give my friends a kidney.

[Mecca]

What? We only need one, right?

[Melissa]

Right. Like, I would tell, like, when it comes to organ donation, if y' all need a sliver of liver, I got you.

[Mecca]

I'm gonna say yeah. Only because I've had the same group of friends since, like, I. I haven't got no new friends. My newest friend is Joe, and that's been, like, a year. And that's, like, in Texas and everything. But, like, my core main group I met in high school and college, and we're fucking almost 30, so I don't think anyone's switching. Like, if you are a Kousi Elantra, I see myself giving bitches kidneys. I wouldn't even think about it.

[Melissa]

Yeah. Like, y' all could definitely have a kid. This is why I need to stop shortening have a kid.

[Mecca]

Would you have a kid for me? Would you be my surrogate? Oh, no. You like babies and you like du. Laying.

[Melissa]

That doesn't mean I would be pregnant for you.

[Mecca]

That's fair.

[Melissa]

No shade. Because pregnancy is a lot. It's a lot.

[Mecca]

What if I paid you and still no.

[Melissa]

I would never be a surrogate.

[Mecca]

Literally. You can't use my body as incubator for your child. Thanks.

[Melissa]

Yeah, no, thanks. Like, and I am always so gagged to see that people do surrogacy for the right price. I'm. I'm. I'm always very gagged because although I had a seemingly, you know, regular pregnancy, I didn't have too many complications. Delivery alone, especially how scary delivery can get. Like, you can die.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

And. And we don't mean that, like, in a figuratively, like, dramatic way. Like, I mean that in a bitches do die way. And no, I'm. I'm not doing that. If it ain't my baby coming out there, I'm not putting my. Myself through that for someone else's kid. That's. No. I am selfish in that way. There are. There are times where I must. There are boundaries.

[Mecca]

There are boundaries.

[Melissa]

Would I wipe my friend's ass, though?

[Mecca]

I would put the shower head on it. I would put it on high.

[Melissa]

I was gonna say I do shit.

[Mecca]

I could. I could. I could shower you down.

[Melissa]

I could definitely. Bidet.

[Mecca]

I don't think I want to get my hand and swipe up your asshole. Yeah, you were, like, hurt and needed help showering. I could probably help. I would. I don't even think that's. That Weird. I don't think that's weird.

[Melissa]

Especially like, it's just like, you know.

[Mecca]

Like if you think about it like when Alexis went and got surgery and she was needing a friend to go with her like that. That's the type of shit she would be doing. Though you're not actually wiping ass, you're kind of helping someone because they can't move.

[Melissa]

Kind of help and assist in the ass wiping. Yeah. What's something that you wouldn't do? So we already said like I wouldn't be a surrogate. What's something that's just a little too far for you when it comes to being a friend?

[Mecca]

I wouldn't fuck my friend's man.

[Melissa]

Well, I think that I would hope that that's.

[Mecca]

Sometimes the girls do it, you know. Here's something that would be too far for me that would.

[Melissa]

I'm trying to figure out how we.

[Mecca]

Got there because this is where I think.

[Melissa]

What's too far in.

[Mecca]

You know how. I think you misread. No, I know I did. I misread.

[Melissa]

Do you mean as if your friend asked you to fuck her man?

[Mecca]

Yeah, but like also I'm thinking like, fuck. Who was talking about this? We were talking about sharing men. Oh, fuck Huda in Love Island. Although I share a body with one of my very good friends, that is. We were one in college. Two. We talked about it in depth and the situational situation was like. She was basically like, he fucked so good. You just, you're coming off a break off breakup and you're heartbroken and you need to be fucked up. And I, I dare you to text this guy. That's.

[Melissa]

That's like what boys.

[Mecca]

But that's what boys do. So I was like, we were really just on some. Like we were on some boy.

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

I would not date no one though, who has previously dated my friend. I, I've seen that happen in friend groups where it's like you date a person who used to date one of your homegirls and everyone acts like it's like not weird. And I just, I wouldn't do that.

[Melissa]

It just seems like it would be.

[Mecca]

I feel like white people do it a lot. Whenever you're watching those movies and it's like they get with someone who it's like they dated four or five years ago.

[Melissa]

They have different cultural norms.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Like it's, it's a cultural norm for, for white people. I'm like, I don't like that. I wouldn't do that. So that is something I would not do. I would not date any of your exes, even though they might be years removed.

[Melissa]

Okay, so to rephrase the question because I think you misinterpret it again. Steph, we're talking about how far would you go, right, for your friendship? So what's the point where it's like, ah, now that I can't do for you sister, like, you know, are you co signing alone? You know, like, what is something. You're just like, nah, bitch, I can't do that.

[Mecca]

Would I co sign alone? I don't know if I'd go. Well, I see my friends every day, so it's like. And I pretty much know my friend's financial situations. So if my friend was like, can you co sign a loan? And I know their shit's not straight, I would much rather lend the money that I don't expect to get back than cosign a loan. I wouldn't. I like, do you see what I'm saying?

[Melissa]

We would have to discuss alternative options.

[Mecca]

I don't think I would with a co signing loan.

[Melissa]

That's so, unless so deep.

[Mecca]

Unless it's like, I mean, but we have like business entities together, so even that's situationally like different. But like just in general, I don't see myself co signing a loan for a friend. I'm not gonna lie, you know, I'm.

[Melissa]

I'm like, if she needed a car and she's at the dealership and they're like, girl, I almost got this car, but they said I need somebody to co sign, can you put your name on it for me?

[Mecca]

I can do that. I'm not gonna lie. I'm very on the finances. I'm, I'm very like a tight type. Like I don't like to, like I said, I would rather do stuff that I can just. If I can give you the money and like, here's a gift. But long term stuff where we have to be attached. I don't even, I don't even plan to be too attached to my husband. Like, I don't even want like financially. Like, I don't even want too much. Like I want to be an individual. Seriously.

[Melissa]

Yeah, I think, honestly, I think that it's kind of shitty to ask somebody to co sign loan if you're their friend because now you're putting them in an awkward situation because it's like you're positioning them to be the bad guy. And I don't like when people do that. I don't like when people put people up on this weird random pedestal Then be let down. So then they can be like, oh, you wouldn't do this for me. Or you're not this. You're not that deep. And then it turns into this, oh, you're not really real. You're not really down. And so I think that you also have to be very cautious of the things that people ask you to do for you and think about, why the hell would they ever ask me to do that? You know what I'm saying? Like, it'll just save you a lot of drama, I think. Yeah. But I don't think it's weird for friends to ask friends for money.

[Mecca]

I don't.

[Melissa]

I just like. Like regular money.

[Mecca]

No, I definitely give friends money.

[Melissa]

Yeah. I don't think it's weird to ask.

[Mecca]

Friends, especially if you have the dynamic, like, I know which friends are going to pay me back to. Do you see them? Like, I, you know, I'm very friend. I know who's paying me back and who's paying me back in a reasonable amount of time. Like, also, I think it's levels, obviously a friendship. So I'm not asking. There's certain. I would even consider, you know, you.

[Melissa]

Not asking your level 10 friend for money. Or if you're gonna ask a bitch for money, it got to be your business.

[Mecca]

You know what I'm saying? Like, some stuff is, like, that's reserved. Why are you asking a level 10 friend for a loan? Just go sign your loan. That's crazy as fuck.

[Melissa]

Honestly, that doesn't make any sense. And that would actually scare me.

[Mecca]

Yeah, no, you just don't care. I do feel like if you're. If again, I would be more inclined to sign a loan. I'm not saying I would, but, like, for someone, I would totally think about it if you're thinking about it. Yeah. If I'm seeing you every day, I know what you're doing. But then, even then people get weird and will duck and dodge. You never know. But yeah.

[Melissa]

And to be honest, no one would ask me to co sign alone because I don't have good credit. Spoiler alert.

[Mecca]

Spoiler alert. We did some things in our early 20s. Don't worry, guys. We're getting it together. That's part of. That's part of the reason I bought a car, brand new, so I could pay my note on time.

[Melissa]

Listen, I have a home, I have a car. I have me a little credit card. I'm okay. You know what I'm saying? I don't need the credit at this moment, you know, so it's like, it's a work in progress. But I think we should start being a little bit more honest, you know, like, we. Everybody don't have that. 750, 800. Some of you got bad credit, just like me. And it's okay. They don't mean you broke. It don't mean that you don't have anything. It don't mean that you're not worth anything. It just means that you don't be paying back all the time.

[Mecca]

And same.

[Melissa]

You'd be right. I don't.

[Mecca]

Same. There's.

[Melissa]

There's. There's several collections in my name.

[Mecca]

I mean, honestly, what's so funny about mine is the collections I have. The reason my credit's going up because I literally just waited for them to drop off. Like, they're like.

[Melissa]

All the time. My credit goes literally off.

[Mecca]

When I was like, 22. I'm 29. It's. It's over with. You're done.

[Melissa]

Everything comes in waves and phases, so you kind of just have to. That's why I don't want people to stress too much on credit. But also the people who try so hard to, like, pay for their credit to get better, you're probably. Sometimes when you pay shit off, it doesn't even help. You have to just have. You have to just increase your credit limit and just pay things. Like, just start doing better. You trying to pay these people to fix your credit.

[Mecca]

You could be taking down your credit cards with the money that you're paying. Yeah.

[Melissa]

You could just be, you know, or.

[Mecca]

Just download the long game and just. And just wait for it to fall off. But, I mean, either way.

[Melissa]

And you can dispute those collections on your.

[Mecca]

Oh, yeah. Because that's all I definitely did. I definitely got some to fall off. Just disputing it through. What's that? What's the block? What's the app? Credit karma. I. I would be on there every couple weeks when it was.

[Melissa]

Or file for bankruptcy.

[Mecca]

I don't even want to get too far into that, because I've considered. I want. I said. I said I'm considering doing it before I get big. Before I get big.

[Melissa]

I'm not opposed to it.

[Mecca]

I'm not opposed to it. I got to do lots of research. I'm gonna go talk to somebody before I do it. But I said before.

[Melissa]

Shit, I was gonna say one thing about it. When that real money start coming in, I'm filing for that bankruptcy. We gonna just start from scratch. All that other shit. Y' all ain't getting it. Y' all ain't getting that bitch out of me.

[Mecca]

Yeah, no.

[Melissa]

Fuck y'.

[Mecca]

All. I'm glad that we're here on that. I saw the way that. And I was watching how they did the better Drake. When they were talking about how he had filed for bankruptcy, I said, oh, y' all gonna have a field day with me because you gonna get on here and say, mecca, you filed for bankruptcy and did.

[Melissa]

And needed to start over. Now I have a. I'm 50 Cent.

[Mecca]

50 Cent did that shit on. Went and hid all his goddamn assets and filed.

[Melissa]

Yeah, there. I was gonna say there's a reason that people do it. Like, it's. It's actually a very smart thing to do. If you're super, super in debt and some of these people be thousands and thousands. Thousands and thousands of dollars in debt, you know you can't pay that back. Just go ahead and buy that rep.

[Mecca]

File for Repsy. They're not getting it back. You know it and I know it. Do you plan on dying tomorrow? Because even if you die, you know it's going to be transferred to your family. Like, someone has to pay that. Yeah, yeah.

[Melissa]

I'm not doing that. I'm trying to think about what. What else would I not, like, what's too far for me to do for a friend. Would you take a charge for a friend.

[Mecca]

Type very quick? No, I don't. I don't think I would tell on you. I don't think I would tell on anybody.

[Melissa]

Okay.

[Mecca]

God. Would I do a crime with a friend? It depends on the friend. But I don't bel. As. As a. Id 2020 ass bitch. I don't want to do no crimes with nobody. Like, if we do a crime together, I'm gonna have to consider getting you up out of here. And if you're my friend, yeah, I would be.

[Melissa]

I would look at you crazy if you asked me to ride with you to do some bullshit. You know what I'm saying? I would literally be like, what Exactly.

[Mecca]

And I'm also that type of friend. Like, I'm not doing that with you. No, you get. I'm saying, yeah, I'm not. So it's like, no, I don't see myself. I don't see myself ratting. Not the police come knocking. I don't know.

[Melissa]

I don't know anything unless you murder somebody. I have to sell.

[Mecca]

It depends on the situation.

[Melissa]

Unless you. Unless they really deserve it.

[Mecca]

I got to be honest. I don't know if I would. If I would say anything. Oh, you know, I don't know if.

[Melissa]

They killed someone innocent.

[Mecca]

I wouldn't want to know. I wouldn't want to know the details.

[Melissa]

Mecca, you're going down, bitch. I'm not. I mean, why somebody interrogate Mecca today?

[Mecca]

I mean, I would be like, I don't know anything. I want to speak to my lawyer, and the conversation's over. Like, I am such a. The thing is, I watched so much of the Crime ID channel that something that agitates me so bad is when people let the police get in their head and be like, if you ask for a lawyer, you look suspicious. I don't give a fuck.

[Melissa]

Yeah. One thing is my lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer.

[Mecca]

Where the fuck is my lawyer? And if you keep talking, I'm taking everybody for everything they got in this bitch.

[Melissa]

Yeah, you're never getting me with that bullshit. I watch way too much.

[Mecca]

Where's my lawyer?

[Melissa]

Are you kidding me? I need a lawyer present today. I damn near said that shit when I went to ticket court. Hello. I need a lawyer. They're like, bitch, you go pay this speedy ticket or what? Go sit your ass there.

[Mecca]

I don't know.

[Melissa]

I don't know how I feel about this. Like, I just feel like a lawyer.

[Mecca]

Like, y' all are trying to invite to talk to. Like, for real. Like, I know myself.

[Melissa]

Like, I'm just so scared of getting got. Like, I just feel like.

[Mecca]

Well, it depends on what the case is, because a lot of time people knowing, they. Unless you're, like, very, very close, like, not involved, but, like, it just depends on the situation for them to say, we're gonna hit you with a charge for just knowing, like, you have to really be involved in some way. Yeah. Yeah. For them to be like, we're going to hit you with a charge. If you just know or heard it through the grapevine, you literally can be like, I don't fudge it now.

[Melissa]

I don't.

[Mecca]

I don't fudgeing know. Yeah, and that's. That's what I'm saying. I would do, like, I don't want to be involved or know any details or, I don't want to be involved, but if I, like, hear it or know it.

[Melissa]

Mm.

[Mecca]

I don't fudgeing know.

[Melissa]

Yeah, I think I would be like that, too. Like, if I knew my friends this. I mean, I just wouldn't never go out my way to, like, snitch on my friend.

[Mecca]

And I don't want to know the details. Like, because if I learn. Then if I learn the details, and it's, like, what you're saying all the details. Innocent. I'm like, well now I'm going to be conflicted. I don't even want to get there. I don't. Don't tell me nothing, please. I need plausible deniability. If I did a crime, I don't even think. I wouldn't even tell my friends or my mom because I wouldn't want them involved in no way.

[Melissa]

If I did a crime, I probably would tell my friends. Unfortunately, I can't keep anything from them. I have tried and I can only last for so long and then I just explode.

[Mecca]

We're going to take a break.

[Melissa]

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[Melissa]

And we're back.

[Mecca]

Do you think your parents would snitch on you if you did? Like a crazy crime?

[Melissa]

Ooh, it depends on the crime. It really depends on the crime. I'M belie I'm leaning more so on.

[Mecca]

No though I know for sure my dad would not say anything. But my dad's a street nigga, so he. He respects the code. Yeah. My mom. I don't know, man. I feel like sometimes she's going to encourage you. I was going to say. I know she's. I don't think she would. She would say anything. Mecca.

[Melissa]

That is not why she would.

[Mecca]

She would encourage me heavily to turn myself in. Which to. That I would be like, because why would I ever just turn myself in? That's stupid.

[Melissa]

Yeah, I think my parents would be. First of all, this would stress my parents the fuck out. They would just be so goddamn stressed trying to figure out. But they would literally try to figure out a way to like, let me be free. Like, I don't think that they would. They know I could not survive in prison off the strength of. I heard it was cold in that.

[Mecca]

Bitch and I. Y'. All.

[Melissa]

You lost me right then.

[Mecca]

And there's so crazy is I am one of them bitches who I. There's so many things I'd rather do than be cold. Like being.

[Melissa]

I can't do it.

[Mecca]

I would hate my life. Being cold is insane.

[Melissa]

Like, it is so miserable for me. And, and. And I'm also the type of person that if the food is nasty, I can't eat it because I'll actually throw up. So you know the type of people that's like, ah, it's nasty, but I can still like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'll eat it.

[Mecca]

No, I hate eating shit I don't like. That's like, honestly, when I was a kid and you. You know how, like, if you didn't like something, your parents would make you eat it? I. I'm staying there so bad. Granted, this didn't.

[Melissa]

And I will put on a whole.

[Mecca]

Yeah, granted, this didn't happen a lot because I was a chunky kid and very much enjoyed eating. But when it was something I didn't like, I was like, ah, please.

[Melissa]

Like, no, bruh, I don't.

[Mecca]

I don't want it.

[Melissa]

I don't want cauliflower. My mom would hate cauliflower.

[Mecca]

Cauliflower is kind of good. You don't like the buffalo fried wing imitation?

[Melissa]

I'm. I hate fake ass meat.

[Mecca]

Like, have you had beyond me. I just had some the other day at the movie night.

[Melissa]

Yes. And it's just like, it might as well have been meat is what it.

[Mecca]

Should be called, but it tastes like me. That's the point. So it's not me.

[Melissa]

No, it doesn't, Jamila.

[Mecca]

Yes, it does.

[Melissa]

It tastes like should have been meat.

[Mecca]

Like it's almost meat, but it's not. So you could have just ate meat.

[Melissa]

Exactly.

[Mecca]

But you just need to put some cheese on it or something and it'll be like me. It's okay. Cheese fixes everything.

[Melissa]

Yuck. I hate that fucking impossible shit. Like, what is it? And then if you ever stare at it too long, it has too many holes in it for me. And I have never.

[Mecca]

That phobia of holes, the whole phobia. I've never actually looked at it. Why? Are you talking about when it's cooked or when it's like.

[Melissa]

No, when it's cooked, just bite it and look into it deeply and it will disturb you. I'm that type of person. I inspect everything that I eat. I'm also a smeller. Do you smell your food before you eat it? Apparently it's disrespectful. But guess what? I don't know. I never did.

[Mecca]

But Darrington was like that.

[Melissa]

It's a habit growing up.

[Mecca]

And he used to always get in trouble because it definitely looks like. It looks like you're. You're disgusted with the food.

[Melissa]

I just never understood how is that disrespectful?

[Mecca]

Like, I don't know. It's like, I'm not going to eat this.

[Melissa]

You're smelling it like, bitch, I'm going to. I'm going to. I do that with ice cream. I don't know. It's a habit. I have to.

[Mecca]

But, you know, like, your taste bud is connected to your nose, so it probably is. When you smell it, you can taste it.

[Melissa]

I care about all these new ass fucking rules. I want to smell my food before I eat it. And it has. I don't even know what it is. It just is something that I do. Even when I cook, I do it. It's not even like I'm looking for something to be wrong. It's genuinely just like a habit. I don't know what it is, how.

[Mecca]

It'S going to taste. Because like I said, smell is connected to sense.

[Melissa]

Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it's also a sensory thing. I've realized as I get older, and this is something that I didn't even have a word for until recently. I am very strongly connected to my senses, specifically touch. I realize I actually have sensory issues. Like, very intense sensory issues. Certain textures, I cannot.

[Mecca]

What's the texture?

[Melissa]

You literally sends shivers down my spine. There's a certain microfiber texture. Like, you know those microfiber towels that are, like, smooth. Yes. I. I cannot.

[Mecca]

But they're, like, smooth.

[Melissa]

Yes, but they're not at the same time. I can't explain it. They have a certain staticky texture when you. If you rub them on your hand like this.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I kind of know what you're talking about. That's how they're able to dry you off.

[Melissa]

Yeah, I hate it. I hate that texture of microfiber.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

Of course. I don't like stale wetness. I don't like things that are wet at all unless it makes sense. Contextual wetness is my term that I have coined. What else don't I like? There are certain sounds that I literally.

[Mecca]

What's a sound?

[Melissa]

Styrofoam touching.

[Mecca]

What does that even sound like?

[Melissa]

It's a very specific frequency of squeak that I can't fuck with. It hurts. It hurts. My belly button actually, it's connected. Everything is connected to my belly button. This is so. This is my second part of this conversation where I always say, have you. I always ask people, have you touched your belly button? Do you ever, like, touch your belly button? My belly button is like the key to my soul.

[Mecca]

I think, whoa.

[Melissa]

Everything is connected to my belly button. I will feel things in my belly button and it sometimes will connect to my coochie.

[Mecca]

My belly button is connected to my coochie.

[Melissa]

Very strange.

[Mecca]

I will give you there. Like, sometimes if you push too hard back in your belly button, you can feel it in your cooch. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Melissa]

And sometimes you can just like, ding it. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[Mecca]

Like masturbate with your belly button. And you said, ding a ding, ding, ding.

[Melissa]

What I was talking about, I just meant digging your belly.

[Mecca]

You just feel.

[Melissa]

It's just like. It's very sensory. It's almost like connecting one with your body.

[Mecca]

That's why the chakra.

[Melissa]

It's like I'm all. I'm almost reminded that I am a human being when I dig in my belly.

[Mecca]

But, like, everything is connected and, like, you can feel this and this.

[Melissa]

It's so. It's such a nerve. It's like the nerves are just jumping. It's like, ooh, actually, let me do it. I'm here.

[Mecca]

That gave orgasm, though. That was like you just had an orgasm.

[Melissa]

You know that? It is a little strange, but, yeah, sensory is. I am very sensory. Sensory. Aware, Sensorily aware.

[Mecca]

I don't. I don't know how the fuck you.

[Melissa]

Would say that I'm aware of my senses.

[Mecca]

I am.

[Melissa]

And I have to be very careful with certain things and textures because I like jeans. For example, interestingly enough, I love a good pair of jeans. Right when I'm outside, I feel like jeans are very comfortable. I love a good jean. I love the way jeans shape my body. I feel very comfortable in jeans the moment I step indoors.

[Mecca]

So you've never gone commando in jeans?

[Melissa]

Fuck no. Oh my God. That actually the seam, first of all, the seams are too rough in jeans, and I wear my jeans tight. I'm thinking about that seam that goes right by that ass crack to the coochie.

[Mecca]

It's not that bad. Ow, please. It's not. I mean, personally.

[Melissa]

So you just be coochie juicing in jeans.

[Mecca]

Well, I don't like underwear. I've always asked my mom. I've always been, from the time I was a child, I'm a commando ass bitch.

[Melissa]

Oh, I know.

[Mecca]

I am A commando ass lady in.

[Melissa]

Jeans is insane though.

[Mecca]

But okay, it.

[Melissa]

You do know that, right?

[Mecca]

But in my defense, I didn't know it was insane until I like went to college and was changing in front of people and they're like, are you not wearing underwear with jeans? And it's like, I haven't really worn underwear since I was like, when my mom started letting me dress myself completely like when I was like in third grade. So it's like I've all. I grew up wearing commando and jeans. The only time I wear underwear is when I'm on period. So I guess, like what you're. What you're talking about. I don't really feel it because I've been feeling it my whole life. Essentially like 20 years or 29. I started going commando 20 years ago.

[Melissa]

Raw coochie lips.

[Mecca]

It's not that bad.

[Melissa]

In rough ass jeans is something.

[Mecca]

Why are you so tight that you're getting infection though? Like, they shouldn't. Your jeans should not be. They shouldn't be hitting the slit of your. Your clavicle. Like, it shouldn't be all up in there. They should just be on.

[Melissa]

It's not in there. But it's absolutely touching your lips. If they. If your jeans fit the way that my jeans fit.

[Mecca]

My leggings touch my lips too. Like everything is touching.

[Melissa]

Right?

[Mecca]

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like what.

[Melissa]

Like how you are able to. What you're talking about in rough ass.

[Mecca]

What you're talking about bare sensory is like how I feel in underwear. I just feel like, why am I In another layer of like, like it's just, I don't even like wearing bras. But people like, I mean again, that's a known fact. Unless I have to. I just want to put my one layer of covering on and go.

[Melissa]

You just.

[Mecca]

I don't have a bra right now. Yes, yes, I would love that. I'm very comfortable with my body. I'm comfortable being naked. I don't mind if others are around.

[Melissa]

Another day of Mecca showing us how freaked out she is.

[Mecca]

Why do we sexualize being naked? I just had a naked mom. So I'm just really like and obvious and I, I a thousand percent feel like it has to do with your mom. Was your mom like actively naked around you?

[Melissa]

I wouldn't say actively naked. I've seen her naked a lot. But she wasn't walking around just the entire house but as naked.

[Mecca]

No, my mom wasn't doing that either. But mom was also like underwear and T shirt, like at nighttime for like going to sleep and stuff. She, she definitely like T shirt, T shirt and my panties on. You know the black mama starter pack with the bonnet. So it was like I was very aware. Like I don't know, I just never really felt no way about being naked. This is. But there's no like sexual wonderful thing behind it. I don't feel like they're always connected, although they are sometimes.

[Melissa]

We're going to take a break.

[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

And we're back.

[Melissa]

Okay Mecca, what is your favorite niche fun fact?

[Mecca]

My favorite, one of my favorite niche fun facts. I know a bunch of niche fun facts but something I love so bad is that the owner of Little Caesars was paying Rosa Parks rent for the latter half of the her life.

[Melissa]

That is so random.

[Mecca]

So part of the reason I love it is because it's so random because like the owner of Little Caesars was some white guy. Little Caesar's hot and ready pizza is also so random. Like of all the pizza chains, the struggle pizza and then on yeah, maybe it's because so many black people eat Little Caesars. I don't know. Like, and then it's like, he was paying Rosa Park. It's like, that's kind of how I want to be too. Like, I don't really want to flaunt my philanthropy, like, around, like, I want to just. And mind you, we didn't find out until both of them died. That was the thing. Even when she died, we didn't know. It wasn't until he died that that was something that came out. And it's like, I just want to die. And people be like, oh, my God. She was actually being such a good person this entire time. But we just, like, didn't even think about or consider. That's pretty cool.

[Melissa]

Did they ever give, like, information as to how or why that, like, happened?

[Mecca]

I haven't. That's. I didn't look that far into the fact, but that was like. I remember that from, like, after he passed away. Seeing that on the news, like, that's like a. I've known that for a long time. So I. I would actually have to go back and re. Research, like, the whole. All the details, but that's just, like, a fun fact. Also. Another fun fact that I learned from reading the Matriarch is that after Johnson's family vacation, Cedric the Entertainer was going to create a. A show basically around Solange. But her. One of her really good friends, Marseille, was killed here in Houston because she was 17 at the time. She was 16, 17 when Johnson's family vacation came out. And it, like, really changed the trajectory of her life and, like, how she saw life expectancy. So that's why you saw her get pregnant with Jules and get married really young, because she had a feeling that she wasn't gonna be here and have time to get everything she wanted to get done. She wanted to just live. And then she decided she didn't care about what, like, you know, how. And you. You're. You're on production, so, you know, Jocelyn's Family Vacation was filmed. They had such a great reception. She did such a great job. Cedric said he wanted to create this show around her, but it was gonna take a year. And so within the year span, all this stuff happened. And then she was like, I don't wanna do it anymore.

[Melissa]

Johnson Family Vacation is also actually probably one of my favorite, like, yeah, old black niche comedies. Like, that was such a good movie, like, because it was just so feel good. And I love a good.

[Mecca]

Feel good stupid movie.

[Melissa]

Yeah, like, we need more of those.

[Mecca]

And there was still of course, moments.

[Melissa]

Where it was like, aw, serious moment. But we don't have to go so far into it having a point like, you know, find your central theme and plot and make it as stupid as possible. That's what comedy is for. Comedy is meant to make you feel good. It's not meant to make you overthink it. I hate when people try to overdo comedy and overthink comedy. Like, no, it's supposed to be feel good, it's supposed to be funny, it's supposed to be light hearted. And everybody's supposed to leave the theater talking about something that was funny as fuck, not oh, so what do you think about this joke and how do.

[Mecca]

You think I think what's happened? You know, back in the day there was only a handful, and I can't think of all their names right now, but there was only a handful of comics who were smart. You know what I'm saying? Like, back in the day, a lot of people did more so slapstick comedy that was like very surface level, just get the laugh right quick. And you only had a contingency of two or three comics who were like actually making your audience think. And this comedian's for smart people. Now we see the pendulum swift shift and everyone wants to be the comedian for smart people.

[Melissa]

And everybody wants to have this dry humor.

[Mecca]

And it's, you know what I'm noticing.

[Melissa]

Let's whip that shit up.

[Mecca]

Honestly, when I first started on TikTok, just because I am the way that I am, I know I built my audience off of smart humor, quote unquote. Just because, like, I would be talking, maybe I drop a joke or whatever now that I feel like. And Jameela too. We're way too perceived to be like, smart. I'm getting more back into like just a simple joke and then videos go up. It don't gotta be. It don't gotta be.

[Melissa]

I've always just like, like I, I appreciate dry humor in general, especially in aspects of when that's people's natural personality. Like, there are people I know in real life that have a natural, dry humored, very like almost stale personality that it, it works with them. But when it comes to like watching things on tv, that gets boring very quickly. I like, I like me some good wet.

[Mecca]

I mean, think of all the. I like long term successful people who, you know, have hate to say it, he's in hot water. But Tyler Perry, it's not, it's not deep. It doesn't have to be deep to be like received or appreciated. And In. In sitcoms that. That dry, wet. I mean, sorry, the wet humor works really well. And the thing that I think about a lot now that I know that fun fact, after I read. I went back and watched Jonathan's family vacation, like in the last couple weeks after I read that. And then Bring It on all or Nothing was my favorite. Bring it on. Like, of all the Bring It Ons, that was my favorite one, which we know is Solange and hated Pennanty hair. I was like, damn, if Solange had ended up doing this show, I do think the trajectory of her life, she would have probably ended up in music anyway. But she would have definitely been like an actress because she could act like. And she was good. She was good.

[Melissa]

She was definitely good. Especially in that type of role where it was like the teenage, like, girl. Like where you just have that teenage.

[Mecca]

And it's funny because she was really that girl. That's why she was so good at it.

[Melissa]

She was really that. Yeah. So it was just like, I live. I live. And seeing her now, I love watching celebrities grow and mature and become different things. And watching how she's deep in her composer and production bag. Like, I love when people just really dive into certain passions and even producing, you know, musicals and things like that. Like, that is so fun. I love it. Same with Alicia Keys. I know Alicia Keys is really diving into her production bag these days. And I am Alicia Keys number one fan. I have always been so down for Alicia. I remember her dropping off in the Scene. This is when I was actually living in Beaumont. I remember it. And there's actually a video of me singing one of her songs when I was really young. I remember this lady popping up out of nowhere with them goddamn braids. I remember it happening. And I loved her at such a young age because her. Her dropping off in the Scene. I don't think the kids understand how actually lit it was to see somebody mainstream with fucking braids as their standard hairstyle.

[Mecca]

And played piano because.

[Melissa]

And they were cornrows at that, bro.

[Mecca]

Because not to say that people weren't playing piano because you have Elton John, you have Stevie Wonder, you have all. But I do feel like the point, like in the late 90s, early 2000s, hip hop and R and B was very much like, we didn't see an instrument. So Alicia Keys coming in on a hip hop and R and B vibe in cornrows, super pretty, playing the fucking piano in front of you was crazy.

[Melissa]

On all of her songs was insane. Because even when you look back at like a d'.

[Mecca]

Angelo.

[Melissa]

D', Angelo, of course, played a lot, but he would go back and forth between playing and singing and singing and playing. Alicia sat down at that grand theft. He had no time and would play and sing so much so that songs in the key of A minor was all her. Oh, my gosh. I could go on a tangent. I can go on for days and talk about how incredibly talented Alicia Keys is and how amazing she is.

[Mecca]

Like, whole generation of kids play piano because of Alicia Keys.

[Melissa]

Yeah, absolutely. Like, she really inspired a lot of people. Like, she is definitely one of the people who inspired me to play the piano.

[Mecca]

That's not her last name. The keys was for the piano. Niggas don't even get it yet.

[Melissa]

Genuinely, I have always loved her and I've always wanted to be like her. Like, she is literally one of the reasons why I started playing the piano in the first place and just learning music in that way. Because I am. I enjoy musicians. And this is no shade.

[Mecca]

Take it as shade.

[Melissa]

Unfortunately, you don't have to be a musician anymore to be an artist. And because of that, there's just a disconnect with some of the music. There is just something that's not really connecting for me with a lot of the music. Over the past 10 years, there has been a separation of musicianship from the music, and that comes from the actual artist itself, but also specifically the composers of the song tracks in and of itself. Because nowadays the majority of music that we hear is produced from a computer. There's not a lot of live instrumentation. There's not a lot of actual composers. And that stuff is just really important to me as a music nerd. I do want to see more people learn how to read music, learn how to play instruments, learn how to sing vocally in a classical manner only because there are. There's art that needs to be preserved by learning this skill of music. I want you guys to go to class and I want you guys to put your babies in music lessons. Because the music we have now, it's not bad. It doesn't compare.

[Mecca]

I mean, it could. Yeah, it could be better, and there's.

[Melissa]

A reason for that, but.

[Mecca]

Okay. Did you come up with a niche fact?

[Melissa]

I'm not sure how we got here.

[Mecca]

We said niche facts. How do we end up on Alicia Keys? Oh, Solange. And Solange. Oh, yes. Composer and Alicia. I just need. I just need to know how we got there.

[Melissa]

So my little fun fact is, when F. Gary Gray was directing one of my actors absolute favorite movies, which is set, it off the budget was dangerously low. And I'm talking about low, baby. That was a low budget film. And because it was a low budget film, what happens is you don't have a lot of opportunities to do things over. So the famous infamous scene where Queen Latifah runs their car into the bank, that was all shot one time.

[Mecca]

Wow.

[Melissa]

And one time only because they could only afford to do it once.

[Mecca]

That's a crazy fun fact.

[Melissa]

And I love that because it worked out so well. And it's like it just kind of had to. Yeah. And I love that scene. And they was busting through them damn LA streets, baby, with that. I think it was like a sad.

[Mecca]

Fact about Queen Latifah.

[Melissa]

A sad, fun fact about Queen Latina.

[Mecca]

It's actually quite sad about. Her brother bought him the motorcycle that he died on. That's sad.

[Melissa]

And the key she wears around her neck is the key from the motorcycle. I know that. Yeah, that's super sad. Yeah. That's why she always wears it. Yeah, that's always sad. I hate when people, like, lose siblings.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I can't imagine. I don't even want to think about it.

[Melissa]

Yeah, it's. I can't even. But I guess speaking about losing siblings, since we're there, Nelly lost his sister. Right. If you remember, Nelly's sister died in, I believe, 04. The reason I know this so intently is because in 2004, I do believe it was 2004, me and my sister went to the grocery store, H e b with my grandmother. We sat in the car. As we were about. We. I think we had just finished. Yep, we had just finished grocery shopping. We put all the things in the car. We are sitting in the car, and next thing you know, Jaz sees a tour bus. The tour bus is for Fat Joe because Fat Joe was on tour with Nellie. The reason that we saw that tour bus is because the tour was canceled because of Nellie's sister's passing. We saw the tour bus. We absolutely wanted to meet Fat Jo. Well, I did, because I was obsessed at that time. I grabbed a receipt from my grandmother, the receipt that she had just purchased all her food from, and a pin. Because one thing, you know, back in the day, grandmothers always had pins on them. And I ran into H e b and I searched every aisle until I found Fat Joe. I found Fat Joe. And I said, Fat Joe? And he said, hey, Lil Mama. I said, hey, can I get your autograph? And before he could get my autograph, there were these two ladies who were trying to get his attention. And they were acting like some damn chicken heads. And they were being so ridiculously rude. And I remember that Fat Joe said, chill, it's a little girl here. He grabs the receipt, he gives me his autograph, and I went back to the car and I saved that receipt for many years until I lost it at some point. But, yes, that was my fun fact of myself for several years. I met Fat Joe at HEB.

[Mecca]

That's why Fat Joe.

[Melissa]

The funniest part about me meeting Fat Joe at H e B is, in fact, them leaving H e B with four baskets of food.

[Mecca]

And that's why Fat Joe thinks he could say nigga, because he gave Jamila. Chill. It's a little girl right here.

[Melissa]

So you remember, like, later, I think I can't remember what episode that was when we were talking about what is one thing that, like, caused so many different reactions. Not the butterfly effect, but something else.

[Mecca]

Sliding door.

[Melissa]

The sliding door. That's one of those things. I think of that all the time. Because there was no other reason for them to be rolling through Beaumont, Texas. Yeah.

[Mecca]

Wow.

[Melissa]

That would have never happened if that tour wasn't canceled.

[Mecca]

But they needed the food because they were getting on the bus and getting back on the road to New York.

[Melissa]

Yeah, before, like, Four Baskets was like. And y', all, baby, that was in. Oh, that's when Fat Joe was fat.

[Mecca]

Now he's.

[Melissa]

He was big as shit.

[Mecca]

He's mid sized Joe.

[Melissa]

And I believe he had on a white tee. A big ass white tee.

[Mecca]

Oh, he was.

[Melissa]

He was quite sizable and he had an entire entourage. Like, that was my. I want to say that was actually my first encounter with the celebrity ever in life. I was so gagged by how many people were with them. Like, I didn't understand the idea of an entourage until then. They roll deep, baby. It was so many of them. And it was so many people also, like, trying to talk to him and stuff. But because I was a kid, I did get, you know, a little bit of privilege and I skipped everybody and.

[Mecca]

I said, fat Joe, like, Riley off the boondock. Fat Joe.

[Melissa]

Hey, Fat Joe, can you sign my receipt?

[Mecca]

Child, chill. It's a little girl right here.

[Melissa]

Do people still ask for autographs?

[Mecca]

I haven't seen anyone ask for. I mean, I would ask for Beyonce's autograph.

[Melissa]

Like, I know the thing is pictures, and I'm going to ask for a picture too. But, like, do people still ask for autographs? Like, people.

[Mecca]

People can't even write cursive anymore, so why would they ask for an autograph. I've been practicing writing my name my entire life.

[Melissa]

I was going to say, I have not practiced my autograph for this long for people.

[Mecca]

Not that I was going to be famous. I have a special. You know how, like, first of all, my name is Mecca, so it's very much giving one name moniker. But, like, I was so inspired by the way Selena did her autograph that I do, like a big M. And then Ecca.

[Melissa]

I used to practice my autographs so much like my siblings. No down there's. It was so many autographs to me, and it's just like, I'm no shade, guys. The next person that comes up to me, can you ask me for an autograph? Like, I need to give one. Like, I have never given an autograph. And, like, I want people to ask me, like, I've practiced and it's really good. Like, I have a really good one.

[Mecca]

Well, I mean, we can end it on, like, one in every four or five people on the continent of Asia is a descendant of Genghis Khan. Because he was fucking so much.

[Melissa]

Because I.

[Mecca]

You didn't know that Genghis Khan was fudgeing?

[Melissa]

I didn't know where we were going. I didn't know, like, I didn't know.

[Mecca]

What you were going to say.

[Melissa]

So it just was so random. I'm like, wait, what?

[Mecca]

Genghis Khan has so many descendants? Because he was just going and conquering and. And getting everyone pregnant.

[Melissa]

Non consensually.

[Mecca]

Non consensually. Thank you, Melissa. It would. They were not consenting.

[Melissa]

Are we surprised?

[Mecca]

Not really. Also, Beyonce and the Pope are related distantly.

[Melissa]

Who?

[Mecca]

Beyonce and the Pope, through their Creole.

[Melissa]

The new one or the one that just died?

[Mecca]

No, the new one. Very distantly. But, you know, the Creoles are very. Once you get all up in there, they have the French ancestor in common.

[Melissa]

Who the hell find that out?

[Mecca]

When he became Pope, they started digging in his family tree. And obviously Ms. Tina has outed their entire family tree. And so people started connecting dots because one of his grandparents is Creole.

[Melissa]

When I had first moved to Georgia, I was telling everybody that I was related to Beyonce. Half of it was me lying just off the strength. Um, but the other half was because I truly believed it. And I do feel like if we.

[Mecca]

Really dig deep, you might be able to find it. You're from Beaumont, you know what I'm saying?

[Melissa]

Like, your mom's from Galveston, Texas, bitch.

[Mecca]

Yeah, you could possibly.

[Melissa]

We got some kinships somewhere.

[Mecca]

I used to tell people I was related to Barack Obama because he's half Kenyan and his my uncle does look very similar to his dad. But honestly, I don't even know what tribe Barack Obama is. But I would pull pictures.

[Melissa]

I don't either.

[Mecca]

I'm sure if we look at what tribe Barack Obama is, he'll be able to tell us that Barack Obama didn't.

[Melissa]

Know his daddy, y'.

[Mecca]

All. His dad was in Kenya.

[Melissa]

Chili.

[Mecca]

Me drunk in the club, showing white people pictures of my uncle and Barack Obama's dad. Like, yeah, this is like we're related. Like, duh.

[Melissa]

Like literally sex.

[Mecca]

I don't know. Like, I don't know. Light skinned kittens.

[Melissa]

Oh, my goodness. All right, let's get into this spinach, y'. All.

[Mecca]

We're gonna take a break.

[Jamila]

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[Melissa]

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[Jamila]

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[Melissa]

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[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

See mint mobile.com and we're back. All right, so this is our segment Spin it. Where we take your nasty, low down, salacious situations and we give them a PR spin as well as a little bit of advice. Now please keep in mind, Jamila and I are not PR professionals. We just studied in an undergrad and we like to, you know, help you all out. Be sure to email at unhinged nemoral pod gmail.com and when you send us your situations, make sure to include your race, your age and your gender. All right, Jamila, what do we have this week?

[Melissa]

Hi Jamila. And Mecca First I want to say love the pod obviously and the Valentine episode gave me some hard truths that I needed to hear before I even knew it. But anyway, here's my dilemma. I, 24 female, am someone who constantly being played by men like always have been in a situationship and never in a relationship. So when I got the opportunity moved to a different state for a contracted job and that caters to college age students, I saw it as a new lease on my career and my love life. When I originally came out here January 13th, I was mainly looking for queer relationships because I am bisexual. But literally on my first day here I matched with the man on hinge and pretty quickly set up a date with him two days later. We can call him Dan22. The date went pretty well and he was pretty different from the guys I actually went for as a younger dorkier, not looking for hookups and pretty intellectual. Despite a promise to myself, I implemented a three to five day rule. I fucked him after the first date because after I saw what he was packing I couldn't resist. We hung almost every day after that and would plan dates around our schedules. I would sleep over, drive him to work okay and two weeks in he even said I love you during sex, which I did not reciprocate. Anyway, he had Anyway, he had told me about his past relationship and how she was pretty abusive towards him mentally, verbally and sometimes even physically. So I took that as a sign to keep things slow but still show interest and not full blown lover girl like I normally do when I'm really feeling somebody. Which apparently was a mistake on my end because I started feeling him pull away exactly a month after our first date. At first I didn't think much of it because we had been on some we had been on opposite schedules and had planned Valentine's Day and even had sex on the 14th. But 10 days later he sat me down to have a conversation dun dun dun about wanting to stay just friends. I assumed the way he framed the conversation that he wasn't interested in dating at all and wanted to heal from his past trauma. When I saw a photo of him post sleepover cuddled up with his co worker with SZA's BMF playing four days post combo, I absolutely lost it. He had another sit. We had another sit down conversation the next day where he expressed to me that he assumed I just wanted to hook up and it felt more like friends with benefits even though I had expressed that I wanted something monogamous and I was tired of hookups during our many pillow talk conversations. Y' all be long winded. He said the pull away that happened around the 16 was because his co worker Mickey, 18, okay, kissed him and had expressed that she had always liked him and so he decided to pursue a relationship with her despite knowing me first. They met a week after our initial date, but he insisted they had always been friends before she ever made her first move. I am not good at being played. So at the end of the conversation I told him my period was late, which it which it was and then took a pregnancy test the next day and tampered with the.

[Mecca]

He tampered with the test.

[Melissa]

Tampered with the test so they had the results I wanted. It led to a whole week long debacle that ended with me actually scheduling a pregnancy confirmation with an OB 40 minutes away which he insisted on attending with me. I found out that even though my test turned out negative, I did experience a chemical pregnancy and would have a miscarriage, quote unquote. Which was not the news I expected. I had. Let me pause right there. A medical pregnancy is essentially when your body tests positive for those those hormones. However, it's not really latching and it's not ever going to be a thorough pregnancy and sometimes if you do an early pregnancy test it'll test positive. However it's not an actual pregnancy and therefore when your period comes it will evacuate. But it's not. I don't want to say it's not a real pregnancy but you know, just to give you guys the information. Okay. That's why she put she had a quote unquote miscarriage because it's not necessarily like a heavy classified as that. Yeah, I had about an hour long breakdown in the car with him before there there before I could gather myself to drive us back home. Here's where I feel like I need some navigation through through post pregnancy test Pre appointment he had done a complete 180 and how he talked to me and was still actively going on some dates with his girlfriend that he was taking me on months prior. But post appointment he's done a 360 and has even ignored his girlfriend's text while spending time with me. I am the type of bitch to never stand on business. I can't do this and want to reach out.

[Mecca]

Oh my God the self awareness thing.

[Melissa]

And want to reach out but all all of my friends and even my roommates are saying to cut this man off. I am not made a little. You messed that up sis. I don't know what you're Trying to say the little girl he's with. But I want to prolong this man's misery without reproach. Okay.

[Mecca]

She is a little girl. And I'mma get to that because that's what I've been sitting on is finished.

[Melissa]

But I want to prolong this man's misery without reproach, which is tricky because we all live in the same apartment complex and work at the same company.

[Mecca]

You should have led with that. Y' all be leaving this.

[Melissa]

Now that y' all have all that information. What should I do? And what should have. What would you have done in this situation? P.S. she didn't know about the whole pregnancy situation and did not know about him coming to the appointment with me either. He said he told her about me. So I feel like if I go to her about anything, I would look like a crazy bitch. And I'm trying to be mature about the situation. Thanks in advance. Okay, so she also included that she's working. It's essentially an internship program. Very similar to like a love island type of love triangle. Bullshit.

[Mecca]

Which is why they all live in the same complex.

[Melissa]

Yeah. So that's why they all stay in together. Now you put so much in there that. That we have to discuss. I actually don't know where to begin.

[Mecca]

Can I start?

[Melissa]

Yes.

[Mecca]

Callback to Thick Dick. Theodore, last. Last week, anytime you said you're 24. This young man's 22 and his girlfriend. The girl who's been going in between you and the girl is 18 already. I have. I'm like, okay, 18 and 22. You wasn't in high school at the same time talking about you been friends. What you had been friends with an 18 year old and you've been grown for four years because where would you have been friends? Y' all wasn't in high school together already when he chose up. He's gonna choose the younger, dumber bitch. No shade to the 18 year olds.

[Melissa]

But you are the dad.

[Mecca]

You're the younger, dumber bitch. You are. And you're older than him. That's also a thing. So you're less likely to be. He can't. He can't play with you. Although it sounds like he kind of is.

[Melissa]

But I was gonna say although.

[Mecca]

But you have yourself aware about that. So. Okay, Jamila, you go. That's where I wanted to start. It's so much.

[Melissa]

I. I kind of paused when you said you were taking him to work because.

[Mecca]

And.

[Melissa]

And let me be very clear. I am not the type of person that is super strict on gender Roles at all. And I've said that multiple times. I, I am not super like, oh, I have to be a girl and feminine energy and he has to be a man and a provider. I'm not all like that at all. Like, I try to distance myself from the very straight gender rules.

[Mecca]

However.

[Melissa]

When it comes to dating, there are things that you have to be aware of. And how that can play into you looking like a dumb ass bitch and you taking a nigga to work every motherfucking day is insane. Saying is very clear way for you to be viewed as a dumbass bitch. Why are you playing you as such? You come across as the doormat, the that he can just get something out of and leave and not take you seriously. And you're positioning yourself to allow that. You know what I'm saying?

[Mecca]

This whole.

[Melissa]

I told him my period was late, but I also tampered with the pregnancy test. But then I also ended up having a chemical pregnancy. So I made.

[Mecca]

Oh, wait, so I caught. Okay, let me tell you, I thought that I was tripping. So she said she tampered with the pregnancy test. Yes, I've done that before.

[Melissa]

She wanted it to say positive, but the thing is, she said her period was late, so she told him it was late, but because she wanted to really lock him in, she wanted to have a pregnancy test that tested positive as well. So she tampered with the test.

[Mecca]

Can't say I haven't.

[Melissa]

And then because I guess there was a lot of conversation back and forth, he was like, well, let's go to an ob. For some reason, she did. She went to the one that was 40 minutes away. I'm not sure why. And there is when she discovered she was actually testing positive for pregnancy. However, it was a chemical pregnancy and thus and such. When her period came, everything ejected. I feel like you have you. I think you are very reactive. Think you're a reactive person. And I think that that reactiveness is going to get you in trouble at some point. Because let's really think about why you wanted him to stay so bad and so you were willing to fake a pregnancy to get him to stay. You are the moment. You are faking a pregnancy to get a nigga stay. I want you to know you've lost your goddamn mind. And it's time for you to wake up, shake up, and move on. And that's for anybody listening. You should not be faking pregnancies to get a nigga to stay.

[Mecca]

I mean, you should have a plan when you're faking the Pregnancy, there needs to be a plan. Like when I did it. Now, I'm not saying you should do it, but when I did it, I knew my goal was to get money out of his baby. This nigga, you know how you're talking about. You want to make him pay. So what you should have did was had the test and then, well, you're obviously going to get. Take. Get taken care of. So you need to come up out of $500. And then.

[Melissa]

And then you. And then clearly has outsmarted you because he said, bitch, I'm going with you to that OB appointment. So you already lost out. Yeah, you should have just came clean right then and there.

[Mecca]

Well, personally, me, I had. I had a nigga do the same thing. I just went on Photoshop and had some Planned Parenthood results. I Photoshopped so you could have. You could have.

[Melissa]

He didn't go to the OB appointment with you.

[Mecca]

He was. You shouldn't have. You shouldn't have let him press you into that.

[Melissa]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He outsmarted your dad, smarted you.

[Mecca]

You got outsmarted by a nigga, and that's embarrassing.

[Melissa]

Never get outsmarted by a man.

[Mecca]

Yeah, a man who's 22 and left you for an 18 year old.

[Melissa]

Like, think about why you even want that to begin with.

[Mecca]

Why do you want him?

[Melissa]

You want a nigga that left you for a bitch that's damn near 10 years younger than you. Bitch, are you crazy? Are you crazy?

[Mecca]

She's six years. Oh, yeah, she is. She's pretty young.

[Melissa]

That's damn near 10.

[Mecca]

She's young. If she's 18, that means she just graduated high school.

[Melissa]

She just graduated from high school, bitch. And you're about to graduate college like you should.

[Mecca]

I mean, probably past college. 24, like, might be on your second degree.

[Melissa]

I'm trying to figure out what advice you want from us to be honest with you, because.

[Mecca]

Leave this.

[Melissa]

I actually need to be shook. I kind of want to shake you. Like shaking baby syndrome. Wake up, bitch. Stop acting crazy.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Again, the faking of the pregnancy, I don't really have anything to say about that, but I feel like where my mind thought you were going to go is I'm faking the pregnancy so I can get the abortion money out the nigga.

[Melissa]

She didn't want abortion money, though. She wanted him.

[Mecca]

But that's the thing. You wanted him, and that's where you lost.

[Melissa]

That's crazy. It's like, girl, now what? You were like, what. What was your Plan.

[Mecca]

The plan was it's supposed to elongate the time because her plan kind of did work. He was ignoring the girlfriend for her. He was with her.

[Melissa]

But.

[Mecca]

But what you. What you put yourself in.

[Melissa]

Now you're a side bitch.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say you put yourself in an elongated triangle with a bitch who's 18 with a child.

[Melissa]

You put yourself in a lung triangle side bitch to a bitch who's 18.

[Mecca]

That sucks.

[Melissa]

That's embarrassing. Get up right now and slap yourself in the face and go find you a grown ass nigga to play with.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say you're 24. You're almost 25. You should be hit. Like, please, please talk to a nigga who you don't have to drive to work. Who has a car. Let's start there. It's like some foundational things here are. Cause what was he doing for you?

[Melissa]

It doesn't really sound like much.

[Mecca]

Well, it sounds like he was fucking. But I mean you could find anyone to do that. That's not hard.

[Melissa]

You act like that's a dime a dozen. Let me tell you something. All these do that.

[Mecca]

Well, not all these. Well, not. Well. Yeah. But you know. Yeah.

[Melissa]

And that's why you have to go find you a woman.

[Mecca]

So many. Well that it's like to even. Like a lot of men.

[Melissa]

Well, to even be so caught up on that. Like, y' all gotta stop letting good dick confuse you. Like that's the only good dick you'll.

[Mecca]

Ever have once you. Once you get 25. You. You at that point where you too old to be letting good dick blind you from good sense. Like you do have an age range where the blinders are on and everyone makes sense.

[Melissa]

That 18 year old hoe that he got.

[Mecca]

That makes some sense.

[Melissa]

Let her be stupid.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Melissa]

Don't you at 24, you should not be dumb as hell for a 22 year old who's clearly not all there and who outsmarted you.

[Mecca]

And he. And he already questionable because he an 18 year old.

[Melissa]

Hello.

[Mecca]

At 22. Who he being friends with? Being friends.

[Melissa]

And like why were you. What you mean you've been friends with?

[Mecca]

Yeah, I have so many. Quit like child. Please get away from this and. And let this little walk. Please. It's. It's.

[Melissa]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

And damn near who cares. Who cares about making him elongated pain. He's 22. He's supposed to be running through bitches. That's what they do at 22.

[Melissa]

Want him to really suffer. Y' all be too focused on revenge and not focused on self. Preservation. Yeah, go, go, go worry about yourself. Stop worrying about how you're gonna get your ex back. Like, Nick, he's. You're done with him. Move on.

[Mecca]

They don't.

[Melissa]

They're, like, thinking about, you know when bitches break up with a nigga and they trying to. They trying to make. Make it seem like they're so unbothered, like they're posting quotes and shit. Nobody gives a fuck about the shit that you're like.

[Mecca]

Stop. Yeah, this is.

[Melissa]

Who is this for? Nobody. He doesn't care.

[Mecca]

He doesn't.

[Melissa]

Doesn't care. He. He doesn't give a fuck. He's probably not even watching your fudgeing story. And even if he is, so what, bitch? Move on.

[Mecca]

You're. You're.

[Melissa]

You're pressed and you're the one who's still hurt. Even if you try to. You still try to pretend like you're not.

[Mecca]

You're the one who's hurt.

[Melissa]

The fact that you even care to make him suffer means that you're the one that's hurting right now. You're the one who is down bad. He's not down bad. You need to move on because you're looking like the dumb ass bitch right now. I fear.

[Mecca]

I fear, sister. Sorry. Good luck.

[Melissa]

Good luck.

[Mecca]

Let us know what happens. Hopefully wishing you well with your body and stuff. Because the chemical pregnancy, that has to be kind of scary, though. It's.

[Melissa]

She just had a period.

[Mecca]

Okay, well, maybe it's not scary. Yeah. All right.

[Melissa]

Not trying to, like. I just. I want to ensure people that if you've ever had. A lot of people have had chemical pregnancies, have not even known it. Which is why if you are trying to have a baby, doctors will discourage you from taking pregnancy tests super early because of those false quote unquote positives.

[Mecca]

Interesting.

[Melissa]

Showing chemical pregnancies. And it can be very hard on you if you feel. Feel like you're miscarrying. And it's not really the same as miscarrying. Yeah.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Okay. Well, let's read the comments.

[Melissa]

There's your biology information.

[Mecca]

Thank you, Jamila.

[Melissa]

All righty. So we are going to get straight into some of these comments that y' all have been leaving us. Please keep leaving your comments. We love to see it. All right, I'm gonna read some from Spotify. This is from Sariah. The way y' all just reminded me of the time I saw a man in all black watching me and my sister sleep. And when I went and told my mom, she just told me to turn on the TV and go back to sleep.

[Mecca]

I wonder if your mama seen the man too.

[Melissa]

It be like that sometimes.

[Mecca]

Cause your mom probably knew exactly what man you was talking to.

[Melissa]

Don't worry about it baby.

[Mecca]

She's going to be.

[Melissa]

She knew exactly what you was talking about.

[Mecca]

Damn.

[Melissa]

E.C. gragson 2004 babies are still Gen Z. I promise. I don't know what the breakdown is with y'.

[Mecca]

All. I don't. I don't know child.

[Melissa]

Cassandra said the way Jamila says puss is everything underscore D says I can attest to quote unquote spooky kids seeing spirits and unnatural experiences running my family. We never spoke of it until we realized that we all had the same unsettled spirit visiting us at night. The night my aunt passed. Listen, I'm telling you then babies see things. The Lord Douglas said. Woo got me crying in the kitchen listening to y' all talk about allowing yourself to feel emotions. Love y' all down. We love you as well.

[Mecca]

All right YouTube spooky kids said Sherry412 said Happy Juneteenth everyone. Kiara Lachey said not Noah tapped into his sixth sense. Imani Jackson 3091 said Borders probably doesn't even remember Borders the bookstore Erica Tyson TE5PG said Barnes leave that young lady alone. Young DJ said me a 2004 baby watching this with like the standing emoji. Shay Divine Terrace said oh Shay's Divine Terror said my toddler points at my grandma, laughs, giggles and blushed. Mind you, my grandma passed two years prior. Yep Kiana B96 said Mecca's mom reminds me of how I am as a parent already. I'm a school counselor so I'm always big on feel those feelings but do not let it consume consume your life. Love this conversation. Exactly. And that's the point young ladies. Do not let it consume your life. Feel it and move the fuck on Another great episode.

[Melissa]

Another great episode. Please make sure you guys are purchasing the merch yeah we want you guys dripped out in you and I merch and we will have another drop soon. Trying to think if it'll have dropped by this time. Let's say yes we have we have.

[Mecca]

Designs so go check out the new merch that we could so I don't see why not.

[Melissa]

I'll just say yeah we'll have new merch dropping so go ahead and support that. Make sure you guys are subscribed to the Patreon and as always we'll see you guys every Thursday. Bye bye bye. Unhinged and immoral is hosted by Jamila Bell and Mecca.

[Mecca]

Produced by Melissa D? Mont and Diamond Imprint Productions, post production.

[Melissa]

By Coco Lawrence, production assistant by Melanie D. Watson, Music by Adi and Brooklyn Billionaire and graphics by Claudia Choi.

[Mecca]

Hey, this is Chess from the Wandering Hearts. And this is our house from our new album, Deja Vu. We have all been here before.

[Melissa]

Our house is a very, very, very fine house with two cats in the ar. Life used to be so hard.

[Mecca]

It's all the classics, you know, including teacher children, Teach your children well Their father's help they slowly go by and carry on.

[Melissa]

Rejoice, rejoice. We have no.

[Mecca]

Be sure to check out Deja Vu by the Wandering Hearts wherever you stream your music.