Podcast Summary: UnJustified Episode - "Convention Against Torture"

Podcast Information:

• Title: UnJustified
• Host/Author: MSW Media
• Description: The creator of Mueller, She Wrote, Allison Gill, and former Deputy Director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, document the erosion of civil liberties and the rule of law under Trump's Department of Justice.
• Episode: Convention Against Torture
• Release Date: June 29, 2025

Introduction and Key Whistleblower Revelations

[00:07] Andy McCabe:
Discusses the actions of Erez Reveni, a fired career Department of Justice lawyer, who has sent a letter to multiple oversight bodies outlining Emil Bovey's alleged defiance of court orders in three due process cases.

[00:24] Alison Gill:
Highlights a Supreme Court ruling from the shadow docket that indefinitely holds a lower court's order barring deportation to third countries without due process.

Emil Bovey and Erez Reveni's Whistleblower Letter

[00:47] Alison Gill:
Introduces the episode, focusing on Emil Bovey's confrontation with DOJ lawyer Erez Reveni's whistleblower complaint, which alleges Bovey instructed DOJ lawyers to ignore court orders.

[01:12] Andy McCabe:
Thanks listeners and mentions the release of a 27-page whistleblower disclosure by Erez Reveni, detailing government actions in multiple Alien Enemies Act cases.

[01:44] Alison Gill:
Encourages listeners to engage with the whistleblower episode and references a recent Wall Street Journal story related to Reveni's letter.

Notable Quote:

"White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller falsely stated, the only mistake that was made is a lawyer put in incorrect line in a legal filing. And then he labeled Mr. Raveni a saboteur and a Democrat."
— Alison Gill [02:26]

Stephen Miller's Influence in the Administration

[02:26] Andy McCabe:
Comments on Stephen Miller's dramatic approach and his significant role within the administration.

[03:21] Alison Gill:
Explores Miller's extensive involvement, noting his staff size and responsibilities, including writing or editing every executive order signed by Trump.

[06:08] Andy McCabe:
Compares Stephen Miller to a childhood cartoon character, emphasizing his pivotal role in deportation policies.

[07:35] Alison Gill:
Recounts Emil Bovey's confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, highlighting his refusal to discuss conversations with Stephen Miller, invoking executive privilege.

Notable Quote:

"You're not the president, Mr. Bovey, to say."
— Andy McCabe [05:03]

Supreme Court's Ruling on Third Country Deportation

[14:14] Andy McCabe:
Introduces the Supreme Court's decision to lift a lower court order preventing the Trump administration from deporting migrants to third countries without due process.

[14:51] Alison Gill:
Expresses concern over the lack of explanation in the Supreme Court's shadow docket decision and its impact on cases like those involving South Sudanese migrants in Djibouti.

[15:24] Andy McCabe:
Details Justice Sotomayor's extensive dissent, emphasizing that the government failed to demonstrate irreparable harm from the preliminary injunction and criticized the administration's litigation behavior.

Notable Quote:

"Had it complied with the preliminary injunction... there would be no follow-up orders."
— Justice Sotomayor's Dissent [18:47]

Impact on South Sudan and Djibouti Cases

[20:31] Alison Gill:
Notes the Supreme Court's dismissal without explanation and the ongoing struggle to provide due process to migrants stranded in Djibouti.

[22:25] Alison Gill:
Discusses Judge Murphy's swift denial of plaintiffs' emergency motions to enforce remedial orders, reflecting ongoing judicial resistance to the administration's policies.

[23:04] Andy McCabe:
Critiques the administration's legal maneuvers, likening them to courtroom tactics seen in other controversial cases.

[24:07] Alison Gill:
Highlights the ongoing legal battle, indicating that the administration's stay application does not address the district court's remedial orders.

Updates on the Abrego Case

[30:05] Andy McCabe:
Shares developments in the Abrego case, including custody hearings and motions to dismiss and impose sanctions against government officials.

[33:27] Alison Gill:
Reports on Judge Sinis's handling of emergency motions, including the government's contradictory statements about Abrego's potential deportation.

[35:04] Alison Gill:
Describes the government's lack of specifics regarding Abrego's removal and Judge Sinis's request for clarification to set a briefing schedule.

Notable Quote:

"This is the cat."
— Andy McCabe [26:08]

DOJ's Lawsuit Against Maryland Judges

[50:48] Alison Gill:
Explains the DOJ's unprecedented lawsuit against every federal district judge in Maryland, challenging a court order that temporarily bars deportations.

[49:05] Andy McCabe:
Highlights legal scholars' concerns about the DOJ's attempt to undermine judicial protections against lawsuits over official acts.

Notable Quote:

"Judicial review inflicts irreparable harm on the government."
— Adam Bonica, Stanford [49:05]

Listener Questions and Clarifications

1. John Durham vs. Bill Bars Durham

   • [52:16] Owen:
     "Are you sure about John Durham? As soon as I heard that name again, I called my Connecticut attorney friend and she said, no, Bars Durham, meaning Bill Bars Durham has retired."
   • Response:
     • Andy McCabe: Confirms the distinction and acknowledges the correction.
     • Notable Quote:
       "That's what I'm going to call him from now on."
       — Alison Gill [53:35]

2. Served Sentences in the U.S.

   • [54:00] Owen:
     "Can you please talk more about what precedent or authority exists for the person to serve a sentence in the United States? What purpose does it serve?"

   • Response:

     • Andy McCabe and Alison Gill:
       Discuss the constitutional rights ensuring due process and the societal need for punitive measures to prevent recurrence of crimes by foreign nationals.

   • Notable Quote:

     "You brought the evidence. They actually argued that they shouldn't have."
     — Alison Gill [55:50]

3. Congressional Oversight and ICE Detention Facilities

   • [59:24] Jim:
     "Members of Congress in multiple states are getting stonewalled in their efforts to visit ICE detention facilities. What can be done to remedy this?"

   • Response:

     • Alison Gill and Andy McCabe:
       Advocate for legal action, such as lawsuits, to enforce oversight rights and challenge restrictive DHS policies.

   • Notable Strategy:

     "They would need to file a class action suit, certify a class, and then file a lawsuit."
     — Alison Gill [60:56]

Conclusion and Call to Action

[64:06] Alison Gill:
Emphasizes the importance of supporting whistleblowers and calls for donations to Whistleblower Aid to protect those exposing governmental wrongdoing.

[64:16] Andy McCabe:
Encourages listeners to advocate for oversight and use legal avenues to challenge executive overreach, reinforcing the podcast's commitment to monitoring threats to democracy and civil liberties.

Key Takeaways:

• The podcast delves into the Trump administration's attempts to undermine judicial oversight and erode due process, particularly in immigration and deportation cases.
• Key figures like Emil Bovey and Stephen Miller are scrutinized for their roles in defying court orders and implementing stringent deportation policies.
• The Supreme Court's recent ruling has significant implications for migrants' rights and the government's deportation strategies.
• Ongoing legal battles, such as the Abrego case and the DOJ's lawsuit against Maryland judges, highlight the tension between the executive branch and the judiciary.
• Listener engagement through questions underscores the importance of understanding and challenging these legal and political maneuvers.

Notable Quotes with Attribution:

• "White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller falsely stated, the only mistake that was made is a lawyer put in incorrect line in a legal filing. And then he labeled Mr. Raveni a saboteur and a Democrat."
  — Alison Gill [02:26]

• "You're not the president, Mr. Bovey, to say."
  — Andy McCabe [05:03]

• "Judicial review inflicts irreparable harm on the government."
  — Adam Bonica, Stanford [49:05]

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