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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined.
Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN.
In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way.
Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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E213 Can Faith Rewrite What Runs in the Family?
1w ago01:26:46Tap to summarizehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat if your family patterns, addictions, fears, and trauma are not the final word? In this episode, Brandon and team talk with Dr. Luman Wing about epigenetics, transgenerational sin, addiction, sanctification, and how the gospel may reach even deeper into our embodied lives than most Christians have imagined.https://amzn.to/3QR8z3H- Dr. Lu's bookhttps://lumanwing.org/Timestamps:01:00 Introducing Dr. Luman Wing and Genes of Eden03:00 Lu’s encounter with the Jesus Movement and Lonnie Frisbee05:00 Science, design, and Dean Kenyon’s classroom moment07:00 Blood, biochemistry, biotechnology, and gene therapy08:00 How theology and epigenetics came together09:00 Epigenetics explained in plain English12:00 Stress, fear, habits, prayer, and gene expression13:00 Augustine, Pelagianism, and inherited sin15:00 Adam, shame, fear, and the transgenerational imprint17:00 Transformation, neuroplasticity, and becoming new creatures19:00 Addiction, dopamine, anticipation, and “holy wanting”21:00 Why Leviticus may be more scientific than we think23:00 The peace offering, adrenal glands, stress, and surrender25:00 Heart, mind, soul, brain, and the emotional response27:00 The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex31:00 Traducianism, the soul, and inherited human brokenness34:00 Junk DNA, non-coding RNA, and the mystery of the soul36:00 Being born again and the mystery of redemption39:00 Does salvation change us epigenetically?41:00 Romans 7, Romans 8, and progressive sanctification44:00 The worm, the butterfly, and imaginal cells46:00 Trauma, PTSD, the amygdala, and getting stuck in loops48:00 Reason, revelation, Scripture, and renewing the mind50:00 Stillness with God as a real mental workout53:00 Exercise, swimming, bilateral movement, and healing patterns54:00 Generational curses, inherited patterns, and epigenetics55:00 Holocaust trauma and transgenerational imprinting58:00 Forgiveness as a powerful interruptor of inherited trauma01:00:00 Addiction, family patterns, and why DNA is not destiny01:03:00 Trauma in family history and what may carry forward01:05:00 Why there is no single “alcoholism gene”01:07:00 Practically learning stillness, peace, and emotional regulation01:09:00 Why Christian fellowship matters biologically and spiritually01:10:00 Identity, becoming, and Dr. Wing’s next book01:12:00 Potential, formation, consolidation, and identity01:16:00 Leviticus, burnt offerings, and absolute surrender01:18:00 Why science “screams” the glory of God01:19:00 Lu’s personal testimony of trauma and God’s intervention01:21:00 Hope for believers stuck in family patterns
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E212 [Rewind] What Are We Really Searching for in the Sky?
2w ago00:59:54Tap to summarizeEvery once in a while, we revisit an older conversation and realize that it may be even more relevant today than when we first recorded it. That is exactly how I feel about this episode with Nathan Zieber, a pastor, former private investigator, and former investigator with MUFON Canada. Nathan has been called the “Paranormal Pastor” because of his willingness to enter communities that many Christians either fear, dismiss, or simply do not understand.TIMESTAMPS00:00 Rewinding a Conversation That Still Matters02:00 How MUFON Investigates UFO Reports05:00 From Bible School to Paranormal Investigation08:00 Christians in Supernatural and Justice Communities10:00 Why the Church Avoids Paranormal Conversations11:00 Are Aliens Extraterrestrial or Interdimensional?14:00 Developing a Heart for People on the Fringe16:00 When UFO Culture Becomes a Religion17:00 UFO Disclosure, UAPs, and Possible Smokescreens21:00 Using UFO Conversations to Open Gospel Doors24:00 Salvations Within the Paranormal Community26:00 Why Spiritually Curious People Need Compassion29:00 Discipleship, Patience, and Messy Transformation31:00 UFOs, Eschatology, and the Last Days33:00 CE5, Summoning UFOs, and False Saviors36:00 Transhumanism, DNA, and the Mark of the Beast39:00 Investigating a Mysterious Cattle Mutilation43:00 Nathan’s Terrifying Shadow Encounter45:00 The Name of Jesus and Alien Encounters47:00 How Christians Can Minister on the Fringe50:00 Jesus Was a Friend of Sinners52:00 What It Means to Be Naturally Supernatural53:00 Becoming a Church Made of Small Communities
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E211 Your Heart Is Building a Reality Your Mind Can’t Outthink
3w ago01:08:34Tap to summarizeMost people don’t realize how much of life is driven by what the heart has come to believe. Fear, anxiety, bitterness, peace, hope, and faith are not just passing emotions — they are often connected to deep stories we have accepted as reality.In this episode, Brandon welcomes back Jennifer Johnson for a deeply honest and practical conversation about trading fear for faith. Jennifer shares the story of a devastating church situation that left her family with financial debt, relational loss, disappointment, and a future that looked nothing like what she had planned.Website: JJohnsoncoach.com Timestamps:03:12 — Fear, Faith, and Responding from Love05:32 — The Church Crisis That Changed Everything07:52 — Debt, Betrayal, and Hard Decisions10:17 — Losing a Father Figure and a Church Family12:36 — Forgiveness, Integrity, and Being Left Behind14:57 — When Life Becomes Something You Didn’t Choose17:19 — Why Spiritual Bypassing Can Hurt19:41 — The Beliefs Beneath the Thoughts21:59 — How Beliefs Begin Directing Behavior24:20 — How to Stop the Pain and Heart Transformation26:43 — Is Fear the Opposite of Faith?29:11 — If You Can Fear, You Can Faith31:22 — Trusting the Promise, Surrendering the Process33:34 — The Cycle of Thought, Evidence, Emotion, and Belief35:56 — Looking for Evidence of God’s Goodness38:21 — Walking Through the Valley Without Fear40:30 — God’s Discipline as Loving Course Correction42:58 — Hope, Faith, and Choosing Where to Look45:21 — Learning to Trust the One Who Catches You47:47 — Faith Is Substance, Not Denial50:09 — Practical Heart Meditation Begins52:22 — Letting Jesus Lead the Heart54:50 — Chosen Before the Foundation of the World56:56 — Receiving a New Name58:55 — Remembering You Are on His Team01:00:56 — Choosing a New Inner Reality01:03:07 — Faith Instead of Fear01:04:27 — Simple, But Not Easy01:05:10 — Jennifer’s Coaching and Meditation Mondays
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E210 The Ancient Pattern Behind Artificial Intelligence
4w ago00:22:55Tap to summarizehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.comIn this episode, Brandon, Lindsy and Heard welcome author and researcher Ryan Pitterson for a wild but Scripture-centered conversation on artificial intelligence, ancient rebellion, and the war over humanity.Ryan is known for his work on the Nephilim, Genesis 6, biblical prophecy, and the supernatural worldview of Scripture. The conversation begins with Ryan sharing his story, from growing up in New York City and pursuing law and politics, to being awakened to Bible prophecy and eventually writing on the Nephilim. From there, the episode moves into Genesis, Revelation, AI, transhumanism, the image of the beast, the mark, Babel, and the danger of technology becoming a counterfeit discipler.Ryan asserts that the Bible gives us patterns, and that what happened in the beginning often foreshadows what comes at the end. He connects the corruption of the image of God in Genesis 6 with modern attempts to redefine humanity through technology, artificial intelligence, genetic manipulation, and spiritual deception.The episode gets practical. Brandon asks how believers should use AI without being discipled by it. Ryan talks about discernment, boundaries, and the difference between using AI as a tool and turning to it for guidance, identity, intimacy, or spiritual direction.This is not a fear-based episode. It is a call to stay awake, stay grounded in Christ, walk in love, and recognize that the gospel is still the answer in a world racing toward counterfeit immortality, counterfeit wisdom, and counterfeit salvation.Links to books:Judgment of the Nephilim The Final Nephilim The Earth Before AdamTimestamps:00:00:51 Brandon introduces AI as a possible ancient pattern repeating00:03:11 Ryan Pitterson shares his background and spiritual upbringing00:05:33 How end-times ministry and Genesis 6 changed Ryan’s direction00:07:54 The preparation for Christ and the preparation for Antichrist00:10:24 Ryan introduces The Earth Before Adam and quantum repetition00:12:36 Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and the possibility of an ancient judgment00:14:55 The Hebrew word hayah and the idea that the earth became void00:17:17 Jeremiah 4 and Ryan’s case for a pre-Adamic judgment00:19:39 Lucifer’s throne commerce and ancient civilization00:22:02 AI as a repeat of ancient technology and spiritual rebellion00:24:22 The image of the beast surveillance worship and compliance
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E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God
May 2501:18:39Tap to summarizeSomewhere along the way, a beautiful invitation became a measuring stick. Quiet time became proof. Bible reading became a scorecard. Prayer became something we could almost use superstitiously, as if the right words at the right time could keep the day from falling apart.In this episode, the Crew talks honestly about devotional life, Bible study, Christian meditation, seasons of life, ADHD, emotion, discipline, and the difference between communing with God and just checking the spiritual boxes. This isn’t a call to throw structure away. It’s a call to remember what the structure was for in the first place.Because the Father isn’t after performers. He’s after sons and daughters.Today on Unrefined, we’re talking about relationship over rules with Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters, and Jen.https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comhttps://youtube.com/@christcenteredtribe?si=PVPbOe2Zh-NdH3V6Timestamps00:00:52 Relationship not rules sets the framework00:03:01 Lindsy shares the evolution of his devotional life00:05:27 Jen talks about quiet time as a rule and family wounds shaping her view of God00:07:53 Brandon shares his early church background and checklist Christianity00:10:20 Devotions as divination and prayer as superstition00:12:40 Quiet time history and the heart becoming central00:14:50 When a useful tool becomes a measuring stick00:16:50 Structure without encounter and why discipline still matters00:19:12 Seasons of life and letting the Lord shape the rhythm00:21:39 Maturity identity and communing with God inside us00:24:01 God as Father and learning He is present00:25:49 The ditch of doing whatever we want and calling it Spirit led00:27:58 Reacting against legalism or reacting against looseness00:30:15 Righteousness is not based on quiet time00:32:34 Speaking with God instead of only speaking to God00:35:00 Christian meditation presence ADHD and awareness of God00:37:29 Devotionals Oswald Chambers Spurgeon and the book serving the relationship00:39:56 Easy yoke BibleProject and meditation as rumination00:42:17 Worry meditation emotions and getting promises into the heart00:44:35 The subconscious the heart and effortless transformation00:45:45 Christian meditation versus Eastern emptying00:48:10 Jesus wept emotions and the fruit of the Spirit00:50:30 Emotion as the catalyst for truth sinking in00:52:41 Emotions as indicators not enemies00:54:58 Psalms trauma the body and sharing secrets with God00:57:16 Journaling talking to God and practical devotional practices00:59:33 Bible study versus devotional reading00:59:57 Study time communion and the Unseen Realm book club01:02:25 Mountains high places liminal space and spiritual imagination01:04:40 Intellectual study can still involve the heart01:06:41 Different wiring theology and joy in study01:09:03 ADHD repetition worship music and reading the Bible for yourself01:11:19 Feeling again emotions and avoiding the opposite ditch01:13:39 Application SOAP SOS and final encouragements01:16:00 Unrefined Life Group announcement
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E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human
May 1800:54:06Tap to summarizehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat do you do with stories of people seeing their own double? Is it folklore? Brain malfunction? Astral projection? A demonic imitation? A flesh-and-blood mystery? Or something stranger that does not fit neatly into our modern categories?In this episode rewind, Brandon Spain and Lindsy Waters explore the strange phenomenon of doppelgangers, also known as “double walkers.” The conversation moves through folklore, famous cases, biblical passages, cryptid encounters, scientism, spiritual laws, and the unsettling human ability to recognize when something looks almost human but not quite.The episode begins with the German meaning of doppelganger as “double goer” or “double walker,” then moves into historical and cultural examples like the Irish fetch, changeling stories, Abraham Lincoln, Catherine the Great, Percy Shelley, John Donne, Goethe, and the mysterious case of Pauline Picard. Brandon and Lindsy also look at the famous Emily Sage case, where an entire classroom reportedly saw a teacher’s double.The conversation also takes a biblical turn with Peter’s “angel” in Acts, the disciples thinking Jesus on the water was a ghost, and the larger question of whether Jewish thought had categories for spirit doubles or familiar beings. From there, the guys explore autoscopy, heutoscopy, sleep paralysis, astral projection, DMT, cryptids that mimic human voices, and the limits of purely material explanations.This is not a neat and tidy answer episode. It’s an Unrefined conversation about mystery, discernment, supernatural reality, and why Christians should be careful not to reduce every strange thing to either “just science” or “just demons.”https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comTimestamps:00:00:06 Opening hook about fake humans and real humans00:00:28 Brandon introduces the episode00:00:53 Brandon and Lindsy introduce doppelgangers and doubles00:01:45 The meaning of doppelganger as double goer or double walker00:03:07 Looking at the topic through science and the supernatural00:05:31 Clones and God-breathed spirit questions00:07:58 Changelings, twins, impostors, and switched identities00:10:27 The uncanny valley and why the brain notices false humanity00:11:00 Emily Sage and the classroom that reportedly saw her double00:12:47 Astral projection possibilities and gray areas Christians avoid00:15:09 Pauline Picard and the Brittany mystery00:17:19 The found girl in Cherbourg who did not recognize her family00:19:26 The family, neighbors, and confession angle00:20:57 Flesh-and-blood double versus apparition00:23:20 Cultural and biblical categories for doubles00:25:46 Peter’s angel, ghosts, cryptids, and imitation00:28:14 Pursuing truth without forcing every case into one box00:28:56 Autoscopy, heutoscopy, and seeing oneself00:30:40 Brain tumors, perception, and possible supernatural overlap00:31:54 Astral projection, meditation, psychotropics, and spiritual danger00:34:20 Abraham Lincoln’s double and Mary Todd Lincoln’s interpretation00:37:32 Fear of the supernatural and angelic encounters00:39:52 Catherine the Great and the double on the throne00:42:17 Spiritual laws, secondary causes, and the science of the spirit00:43:23 Historical doppelganger accounts including John Donne and Goethe00:45:33 Vardøger, déjà vu, time, and alternate reality questions00:47:32 Percy Shelley’s disturbing double00:49:40 Sleep paralysis, shadow figures, and doppelganger speculation
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E207 Why Giants Matter
May 1101:21:03Tap to summarizeIn this collab between Unrefined, Reformed Fringe and Biblical Re-enchantment, Brandon sits down with Anthony Delgado and Doug Van Dorn to move past the basic question of whether giants existed and into the bigger theological issue: why does Scripture keep bringing them up? The conversation traces Nephilim, Rephaim, Genesis 3:15, the seed war, blood, atonement, territorial powers, Mount Hermon, Ezekiel 28, empire, tyranny, and why every strange thread still has to lead us back to Christ.Timestamps:00:03:10 Why studying giants matters biblically00:03:37 Anthony on being honest with strange biblical texts00:05:21 Giants in the story from Genesis to Revelation00:07:35 Doug on Andre the Giant, Nephilim bloodlines, and salvation00:09:48 Are Nephilim always evil and could David’s mighty men be connected00:12:11 Saul, Jonathan, giant language, and demonization00:14:28 Giants, blood, atonement, and modern theological drift00:16:25 Genesis 3:15, the seed war, and why giants matter00:18:24 Human blood, the Messiah, and genetic corruption00:20:16 Anthony on Leviticus, atonement, and progressive revelation00:22:38 A form of godliness while denying the supernatural power of the text00:24:57 The image of God, spiritual corruption, and materialist hermeneutics00:27:02 Doug on evangelical materialism and supernatural Scripture00:29:22 Why giants cannot become the endpoint of interpretation00:31:42 First Enoch, bloodshed, and sons of false gods00:34:08 Messianic expectation and the blood of Jesus00:36:34 Reading Enoch, Jubilees, and Scripture through Messiah00:38:56 Deuteronomy 32 and ancient textual disagreements00:41:17 Eschatology, demons, and the days of Noah00:43:39 Giants, Revelation, and end-times speculation00:46:02 Reading giants symbolically without losing history00:48:26 Tyranny, beast imagery, empires, and Revelation00:50:20 Antichrist, counterfeit sons of God, and inverted worship00:52:44 So above so below and the counterfeit pattern00:55:05 Geography, territory, Mount Hermon, and giant locations00:57:00 Poseidon, Atlantis, Tyre, Hercules, and territorial gods00:59:25 Satan, the king of Tyre, and Ezekiel 2801:01:49 Princes, beast imagery, and rulers as images of powers01:04:07 Baal, Zeus, Alexander, and storm god syncretism01:06:16 The Angel of the Lord, Yahweh’s inheritance, and the Son01:08:32 Doug’s final thoughts on putting giants into systematic theology01:10:43 Spiritual warfare, Ephesians 6, and word-and-spirit theology01:13:03 Anthony on tyranny, empire, and misplaced hope in rulers01:15:30 Systems of tyranny, media, corporations, and education01:17:50 Christian nationalism, political spirits, and final reflections
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E206 Naturally Supernatural: Talk to God About Everything
May 400:01:58Tap to summarizehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.comIn this sponsors-only conversation, Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen slow down one of the most expected but least explained parts of the Christian life: hearing God. They talk through fear, Scripture, the Holy Spirit, peace, imagination, journaling, breathing, emotional honesty, and how to recognize God’s voice without drifting into weirdness or reducing the relationship to a checklist.Timestamps:00:00:48 Brandon introduces the topic of hearing God00:02:15 Why believers are expected to hear God but rarely taught how00:03:17 Lindsy shares his early tension around cessationism and charismatic caution00:05:35 Why Scripture alone without relationship can feel like letters without conversation00:07:52 Fear as one of the main reasons people resist hearing God00:08:38 Jen reads John 10 and wrestles with the phrase my sheep hear my voice
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E205 Battle for Your Soul
Apr 2702:00:12Tap to summarizehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.comToday's guest shares a redemption story that runs through childhood spiritual sensitivity, occult deception, counterfeit supernatural power, and a real encounter with Jesus that changed everything. This episode moves from dark spiritual territory into healing, deliverance, identity, and the power of Christ to restore what the enemy tried to claim. Brandon chats with Wendy Sadd.https://radiantwellnesshudson.com/Wendy's BookTimestamps:00:03:10 Bloodlines, trauma, iniquity, and the blood of Jesus00:08:02 The church to cauldron pipeline00:12:39 Pennsylvania roots, church history, and Masonic ties in the bloodline00:14:55 Childhood demonic encounters and early spiritual sensitivity00:17:58 Scrying, automatic writing, and early occult behavior00:20:20 The voice at sixteen and the prophecy that marked her path00:27:24 Turning 42, getting red-pilled, and starting the search for God00:29:35 Why spiritually hungry people can drift into counterfeit power00:34:24 Under the tutelage of occult teachers and a New Age walk-in00:39:02 Light body activation and astral travel00:41:18 A face to face encounter with another Jesus00:47:59 Spiritual interference during the recording and live prayer00:52:31 Reiki, yoga, worship, and the body in spiritual practice00:59:25 Reiki training and demonic beings attached to healing sessions01:01:46 The Lords of Karma and the Akashic records01:04:15 Council encounter and fear in meditation01:07:42 Night terror, levitation, and angelic intervention01:08:52 God begins pulling Wendy out of the occult01:12:55 Seeing what was operating behind an occult mentor01:19:39 Repentance, burning occult objects, and returning to Jesus01:26:22 Nigerian prayer warrior, spiritual authority, and bloodline warfare01:28:45 Instant healing of a lump at a conference01:32:11 Grocery store word of knowledge and healing testimony01:36:30 Warning a former friend to repent and close the door01:38:24 Yeti encounter near Pilot Mountain01:49:58 The danger of fear based spiritual legalism01:52:26 Freedom in Jesus for people trapped in the occult01:54:43 Romans 8 and the invitation to come home to Christ01:56:56 Next steps for new believers coming out of the occult
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E204 [Rewind] What Do You Do With a Bible That Refuses to Stay Ordinary?
Apr 2001:09:29Tap to summarizehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat do you do with a Bible that refuses to stay ordinary?In this episode, Brandon and Lindsy sit down with returning guest Ryan Anderson to explore one of the wildest questions they’ve tackled yet: does the Bible actually present a case for time travel? What starts as a conversation about God creating time quickly opens into a sweeping discussion about Moses, Elijah, the Mount of Transfiguration, prophetic timing, and whether certain passages make more sense when read through a deeper biblical lens.Ryan lays out his case that time is part of creation itself, meaning the God who made it is not bound by it. From Hezekiah’s sundial to Joshua’s long day to Moses asking to see God’s glory, the conversation traces moments in Scripture that seem to suggest time is more flexible than most believers assume. Then things really get interesting as Ryan connects Moses and Elijah’s encounters on the mountain with Jesus’ transfiguration, proposing that what happened there may have been more than a vision. It may have been a convergence across ages.Along the way, the conversation touches the gap theory, Lucifer traditions, Hebrew word studies, old earth questions, typology, the law and the prophets, and why the Bible may be far stranger and more supernatural than most modern readers were taught to expect.This one is not about chasing novelty. It is about asking whether the text itself is bigger, deeper, and more charged with mystery than we’ve allowed.Timestamps:00:00:30 Intro and setup for a stretching conversation 00:02:53 Ryan Anderson on his background and upcoming book 00:03:45 Pre-Adamic history gap theory and Lucifer questions 00:05:18 Bible translations manuscript issues and original language discussion 00:07:41 Hebrew wording and Lucifer wanting to be like the Most High 00:10:01 Adam angels and the possibility of a prior order 00:12:26 Psalm 8 Lucifer protest theory and the question what is man 00:14:50 When did Satan actually fall 00:17:14 Jerusalem Jericho moon symbolism and prophetic reading 00:18:15 Members Only community promo 00:19:44 Brandon on other theories of Satan’s fall and post-Covid biblical supernaturalism 00:24:32 The main question can the Bible support time travel 00:26:51 God created time and stands outside it 00:31:41 Heaven eternity and different experiences of time 00:34:05 Hezekiah sundial Joshua and biblical mastery over time 00:36:23 Moses asks to see God’s glory 00:38:46 Hebrew word study on face before and behind 00:41:12 Elijah on the mountain and the Lord passing by 00:43:39 The Mount of Transfiguration as possible convergence point 00:46:03 Did God bring Moses and Elijah into the future 00:50:51 Moses burial Michael and Satan disputing the body 00:53:16 Elisha double portion and Moses Elijah typology 00:55:35 Brandon and Lindsy respond to Ryan’s theory 00:57:51 Apocrypha Enoch Jasher and interpretive value 01:00:00 Ryan on why he’s writing the new book 01:02:16 Brandon on theory building and scholarly work 01:04:18 Favorite time travel movies
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