189 - How Drones Changed The Future Of Warfare ft. Habitual Linecrosser | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 189

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unsubscribe Podcast Episode 189 - How Drones Changed The Future Of Warfare

Host and Participants

• Host: Donut Operator
• Guests:
  • Eli Doubletap
  • Brandon Herrera (Habitual Linecrosser)
  • Post Malone (Various ad segments)

Release Date: December 2, 2024

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode begins with light-hearted banter among the hosts Eli Doubletap, Brandon Herrera, and Donut Operator. They discuss relatable topics such as the frustrations of smartwatch notifications and share humorous anecdotes about recording mishaps. The atmosphere is casual, setting the stage for an in-depth discussion on military technology and experiences.

2. Evolution of Missile Systems and Radar Guidance

2.1. Missile Types and Radar Integration

Eli Doubletap introduces the concept of different missile systems, specifically highlighting the "Going Pit Bull" missile. The conversation delves into radar-guided missile technology and its implications for modern warfare.

• Eli Doubletap [16:21]: “So one of our missiles is called going pit bull for anyone who ever works.”
• Brandon Herrera [16:26]: “So it attacks a toddler in the ocean.”

They discuss the intricacies of radar systems, emphasizing how modern missiles are programmed to respond to radar inputs dynamically.

• Eli Doubletap [14:05]: “So the missile comes out, radar acquires missile. And there's an uplink. Downlink. Right. In gale force winds, as that missile comes out, it can shift left or right. So what it does is it opens that gate of where the missile passes through when the radar acquires it.”

2.2. Friendly Fire Incidents

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around friendly fire incidents involving the Patriot missile system during the 2003 conflict in Iraq. Eli recounts a harrowing experience where friendly aircraft were misidentified as enemy threats, leading to unintended missile engagements.

• Eli Doubletap [02:40]: “I have never lost one of those. I've thrown track. Back when I was a tanker, I've thrown track hard enough, and I'd never seen this before. So in the track, there's cooling tubes that go all the way through it...”

• Donut Operator [19:06]: “Well, that was in 2003, and not a lot was known about American Patriot.”

• Eli Doubletap [18:08]: “But that's why every pilot, including a couple of friendly ones, have never survived a Patriot engagement.”

This segment underscores the challenges of early radar and missile technology, highlighting the importance of operator verification to prevent such tragic errors.

3. Reactive Armor and Tank Survivability

3.1. Understanding Reactive Armor

The discussion shifts to tank armor, specifically Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA), and its effectiveness against modern weaponry. The hosts explore the concept of reactive armor, which is designed to counteract shaped charges and other penetrative attacks.

• Brandon Herrera [32:04]: “People started penetrating tank armor with things like shape charges and whatnot... reactive armor is the idea that we beat fire.”

• Eli Doubletap [33:12]: “We're just do darpa. We were talking with Tama, Mexican space cowboy. And he was talking about DARPA is the first one to implement for all the special forces guys to keep them in combat.”

3.2. Comparative Analysis: US vs. Russian Armor

Eli compares the durability of American and Russian tank armor, noting that Russian equipment often appears less robust due to the materials used.

• Eli Doubletap [34:50]: “They probably adopted it afterwards, I think. Was it T? Well, it would have been like, the T80s or 90s.”

• Donut Operator [34:52]: “They have stacks of just essentially C4 facing outwards. Like, claymore is just that way.”

This analysis reveals the differing approaches to tank survivability and the ongoing arms race in armor technology.

4. Military Operations and Personal Experiences

4.1. Operation Anaconda Breakdown

A detailed recounting of Operation Anaconda, the first major engagement between U.S. forces and the Taliban in Afghanistan, highlights strategic miscalculations and the intensity of combat operations.

• Eli Doubletap [74:11]: “Operation Anaconda was the first major engagement between U.S. forces and the Taliban in Afghanistan. They thought there were 200 Taliban, but it turned out to be around a thousand.”

• Brandon Herrera [75:22]: “That was in one of the documentaries, wasn't it? I believe.”

4.2. Challenges Faced by Soldiers

The hosts share personal stories of harsh conditions, equipment failures, and the psychological toll of combat. Eli speaks about enduring extreme cold, equipment malfunctions, and the relentless stress of patrol duties.

• Eli Doubletap [07:07]: “But my little sister, she got into a motorcycle accident... She's in rehab right now, though.”

• Donut Operator [86:53]: “It's like, I have to drive like...”

These narratives provide a visceral understanding of the realities soldiers face on the ground, beyond strategic discussions.

5. Military Spending and Procurement Inefficiencies

5.1. Case Study: Boeing's Soap Dispensers

Eli highlights the inefficiency in military procurement by citing an audit revealing an exorbitant markup on ordinary items like soap dispensers.

• Eli Doubletap [64:43]: “They found out that the U.S. government paid Boeing an 8,000% markup on soap dispensers for aircraft.”

• Donut Operator [65:17]: “It's like the $500 hammer or something like that.”

This segment criticizes the lack of oversight and accountability in defense spending, emphasizing the need for reform.

5.2. The Role of DARPA in Military Innovation

The discussion touches on DARPA's contributions to military technology, including prosthetics and exoskeletons aimed at enhancing soldier performance.

• Eli Doubletap [59:10]: “They're building you limbs that make you faster, stronger or whatever.”

This emphasizes the intersection of biotechnology and military needs, showcasing advancements that blend innovation with practical applications on the battlefield.

6. Technology Advances and Future Warfare

6.1. Exoskeletons and Enhanced Soldier Performance

The hosts explore the deployment of exoskeletons and advanced prosthetics in the military, discussing their potential to revolutionize soldier endurance and capability.

• Brandon Herrera [59:57]: “They have exoskeletons that help them fucking lift 95 pound rounds and eat them all day.”

6.2. Impact of Drones in Modern Warfare

While the primary focus is on missile systems and armor, the overarching theme ties back to how drones and autonomous systems are reshaping warfare dynamics, enhancing precision, and reducing human casualties.

7. Personal Reflections and Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on their military experiences, the psychological impacts of combat, and the camaraderie formed through shared hardships. They emphasize the importance of understanding and supporting veterans, acknowledging the sacrifices made by service members.

• Brandon Herrera [55:33]: “The actual. You guys are good at dealing with the unknown.”

• Donut Operator [87:46]: “I have to get up at 5:30 in the morning to make sure other grown men dress the same as me.”

These reflections provide a heartfelt closure to the episode, highlighting the human aspect behind military technology and operations.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Eli Doubletap [18:00]: “I have never lost one of those. I've thrown track...”
• Brandon Herrera [32:04]: “People started penetrating tank armor with things like shape charges and whatnot.”
• Eli Doubletap [64:43]: “They found out that the U.S. government paid Boeing an 8,000% markup on soap dispensers for aircraft.”
• Brandon Herrera [55:33]: “The actual. You guys are good at dealing with the unknown.”
• Eli Doubletap [87:46]: “I have to get up at 5:30 in the morning to make sure other grown men dress the same as me.”

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Conclusion Episode 189 of the Unsubscribe Podcast offers a comprehensive exploration of how drones and advanced missile systems are transforming modern warfare. Through detailed discussions on radar-guided missiles, reactive armor, and personal military experiences, the hosts provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the technological and human elements shaping future combat scenarios. The episode also critically examines military spending inefficiencies, advocating for greater accountability and innovation in defense procurement. Personal anecdotes and reflections add depth, underscoring the profound impact of military service on individuals.

For those interested in military technology, defense strategies, and the personal stories of veterans, this episode serves as an engaging and informative listen.

Transcript

[Eli Doubletap]

One of our missiles is called going pit bull.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it attacks a toddler.

[Donut Operator]

You just see explosions in the thermal.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like, hehehe, I will go to prison. I will murder somebody.

[Unknown]

You should calm down.

[Donut Operator]

We want armor that explode outward. Here we try on Igor first.

[Eli Doubletap]

I have a confession to tell you and this may hurt your feelings a whole lot.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh dear.

[Donut Operator]

You didn't hear this?

[Brandon Herrera]

No.

[Eli Doubletap]

What the. Are you recording now, mister?

[Donut Operator]

Oh my God. Put watch on back was such an idiot.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, and then we so stupid.

[Eli Doubletap]

I have a smart watch. It make me feel dumb.

[Donut Operator]

Okay, here we go.

[Eli Doubletap]

It tell me I need to calm down on the three. Especially when I record video about hypersonic.

[Donut Operator]

Three, two, one.

[Eli Doubletap]

I am the most interesting man in the world.

[Donut Operator]

That's how we're starting this.

[Unknown]

Hi everyone. Welcome to the unscribed podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Doubletap, the most interesting man in the world, habitual line crosser, Brandon Herrera, and myself, donut operator. Thank you for tuning in.

[Donut Operator]

Welcome everyone. And here's another episode for Veterans Month or whatever we're calling this. Brandon. What are we calling this?

[Brandon Herrera]

Veterans Month. Sounds nice.

[Donut Operator]

Okay, we're calling it Brandon's month. Brandon's like, just let the dollar flow through you.

[Brandon Herrera]

I can't let the. I'm still stuck on your smartwatch. Get smart watch.

[Unknown]

Get up.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're just like, yeah, a smartwatch just tells me that I'm hypertense all the time.

[Eli Doubletap]

It does. It's like, you need to calm down. I'm like, you need to shut the fuck up.

[Donut Operator]

I just.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was supposed to make my life easier. Hey, you know what?

[Unknown]

Hypertense.

[Brandon Herrera]

You know what helps somebody who's having a panic attack being told digitally you should calm down.

[Eli Doubletap]

I cannot count the number of meetings I've been in just sitting there listening to someone say something stupid. It's like, you need to calm down. I'm like, no, they need to shut up.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, what you need to do is just set like a sort of a ringer alarm for it where it's super loud. Anytime says somebody says something dumb. Super loud.

[Eli Doubletap]

Sorry, I'm stressed.

[Donut Operator]

Fuck, dude. Sorry.

[Brandon Herrera]

I have an allergy. It alerts me too. I'm allergic to dipshits.

[Eli Doubletap]

Maybe that'll get me fired quicker. Like I told my last class of students, they're just like, oh, you know, we can go say this and this. I was like, I don't care. Fire me. Don't give a anymore. And like, it's funny because the place that I work at the Academy, they straight up told us. They're like, look, no one's coming to replace you. You have to find your own replacement. I was like, so you could have just told me I can do whatever the I want from the get go because that's how I received it. It's like, you can't fire me because you can't find anyone to replace me. So I'm going to do what I want.

[Donut Operator]

I love how anti military you went from who to I'm finishing and retiring to such a fast period. Turn around like, oh yeah, there we go.

[Unknown]

You sound like Jack Black and School of Rock where he's like, I'm going to take nap. Y'all do what you fucking.

[Eli Doubletap]

You know what's funny is I nap like three days a week in my office. Just close and lock the doors and I got a couch in there. It's awesome.

[Donut Operator]

No one, no one's going to interrupt Big sars.

[Eli Doubletap]

No, man. Fuck, dude, I just, I. This is the thing. I had a. When after we had that episode where Nick and you and Tyler and everybody convinced me to like part ways with the military and it, you know, came full circle.

[Brandon Herrera]

Sorry, nobody saw that episode.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes, the most watched one on the channel.

[Eli Doubletap]

Of course.

[Donut Operator]

It's like the monster that's just like.

[Eli Doubletap]

And after that I like, I have this wall of like accolades. It has like my MSMs, my ARCOMs, like all the awards I've gotten from like being a battery trainer and all this other shit. And I walked past that one day and I looked at it and I was like, man, they took years off my life for like a fifty dollar plaque. This job. Like I was just immediately pissed.

[Donut Operator]

I was doing the numbers. I think we talked about it. It's like doing the numbers of your retirement. How much is going to be versus just like, hey, let's just focus on, you know, a couple do it those few years. Just dedicate to your work.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

And the sheer difference. You're like, okay, four years is not worth four years.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, yeah, definitely four years. And I, I mean honestly I, I look back now and I was like, why was I, I was, I. It was like Stockholm syndrome. That's what it was. The military's really good at Stockholm syndrome. Like it's not that bad. You're standing in the rain at 3 in the morning like you haven't eaten in 18 hours. Like this is. This could be worse. You know, I could be living in la. I don't know.

[Brandon Herrera]

I mean that's fair. You've been to LA recently?

[Eli Doubletap]

No, never Been. I don't want to go. You can't make me.

[Brandon Herrera]

Whatever you think it is.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. It's like Polk Reverse.

[Brandon Herrera]

Every once in a while, like, every. Probably every, like, year or so, I'll think in my head, like, you know what? There are nice parts about la. The beaches are beautiful, the weather's nice. Like, you know what? Maybe if I've got a work reason to go back, I'll go back. And then I do. And then immediately I'm hit by the reality of, like, just homeless dicks shit on the street. Small the world, the earth, when you're just flying around. LAX looks like it has cancer.

[Donut Operator]

It looks like the one movie, the Escape from la.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, there it is.

[Donut Operator]

It's a war zone down there. Snake Plisskens having fun?

[Eli Doubletap]

We're just gonna rename it to Battlefield la.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Brandon and I were in LA, like, a couple months ago, and we took my girlfriend there, and she's like, there's no way. There's human poop everywhere. Like, you guys talk about. We walk, like, one of the first streets we go down. There's just shit everywhere.

[Brandon Herrera]

One block from the hotel.

[Unknown]

Yeah, Tent city, like, is.

[Eli Doubletap]

I just. I. A lot of places are getting like that. My little sister, she got into a motorcycle accident. She lives up in Washington, and my mom went up there to be with her. She's in rehab right now. She broke her pelvis, both hips, wrists. Like, she's. She's positive about the whole situation, though.

[Donut Operator]

We're in Washington.

[Eli Doubletap]

Everett, Washington.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, yeah. Godspeed.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because he used to be up that way, right?

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, Everett's like the. It's where the 4 or 5 and the whatever that they merge together. But it's that. It's not a good. It used to be great. Used to be. And then.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, my mom, she flew into SeaTac, Seattle, Tacoma. And she's like, seattle's a cesspool. Like, it's bad, you know, human feces everywhere. Tent city, homeless population. Then my little sister's like, yeah, some of the things that people are doing nowadays is apparently they're taking, like, rubber bands and they're, like, shooting needles at passersby. And I was like, I will go to prison. I will murder somebody.

[Donut Operator]

I sounds like just, dude, this is a place where it is. They have parking outside. There was a big issue with these RVs. They would buy an RV and just park it in a nice neighborhood just out front, in front of the house. And you can't do anything about it, so you just have a homeless person or an RV tent.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, that's par for the course, but the rubber band needle thing is like. That's like worse than anything in the Anarchist Cookbook.

[Donut Operator]

That's a dart straight.

[Brandon Herrera]

You got hiv, you got hiv. Now I got you fucking.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, no. Pull it out. Oh, yeah, yeah. Genghis Khan came up.

[Brandon Herrera]

I just. I assume it's just like homeless vagrants who already have hiv, so it's just like biological warfare. You think you're better than me?

[Eli Doubletap]

Dude, I. The only, like, amount of rage I could ever compare to that. And it's not even comparable, but it's about as close as I've ever experienced. The worst wake up I've ever had in my entire military career. I was at Fort Carson. It was 29 below zero. We were doing a platoon patrol base. You're familiar with those. You got like you and your buddies, like a wedge sector of fire, all that jazz. Meanwhile, I had like maybe three hours of sleep max. Because the army sleeping bag, it'll keep you alive in that temperature. It will not keep you comfortable. Like alive is the best you're going to get. And it snowed overnight. And I had the waterproof cover, we call it a bivvy cover, on the sleeping bag. And I remember I opened it and a foot of snow fell straight onto my face. After freezing my balls off all night. Get like two hours of sleep, Instant rage. Zero to homicide. I would have killed everything.

[Unknown]

I was in Asheville, North Carolina, which is, if you know about Asheville. It's like the Los Angeles of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

[Brandon Herrera]

We call it the Portland of the East Coast.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's kind of like the same type of people. And like, I was there one weekend, I was doing a vlog, like, hanging out with my family, and there was just like homeless dude with all these tattoos over his face and all over his body. And he was just like flicking my camera off. And he wouldn't stop doing that. And I'm like, hey, back off a little bit, dude. A week later, there's this big news article where this cat got stabbed with a bunch of needles. Like over a dozen needles. And it got, you know, it died, of course, obviously. And it was that dude, they put him on the newspapers and stuff. So when all this hurricane stuff happened, I was worried about all the residents down there, the floods and stuff. But like, one of the things in the back of my mind, I was like, really hope that fucking guy died.

[Brandon Herrera]

The good news is people like that don't have a very long life expectancy.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's true. I'm glad.

[Donut Operator]

Hi, it's your boy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Long time viewer, first time caller.

[Eli Doubletap]

I'm glad that there's no, like, miscommunication here. There are, in fact, people in this world who deserve to die. And there's some people, like, no one deserves to die. Well, I can think of a few. There's this. I got a short list.

[Brandon Herrera]

The Bill Burr. It's like, all right, you could say it's bad, but no reason.

[Donut Operator]

Man. I forgot about any of the training that you do in the military. It's always that God awful. Oh, God.

[Brandon Herrera]

God awful.

[Donut Operator]

In the coldest. You were in Korea.

[Brandon Herrera]

I did skirt the monetization symbol. Right now it's like, we're getting close. Anyway, military training.

[Eli Doubletap]

I guess that was my fault.

[Donut Operator]

Back to the needle.

[Eli Doubletap]

Guess some people deserve to die.

[Brandon Herrera]

What are we talking about?

[Donut Operator]

God damn it.

[Eli Doubletap]

My bad. I got too comfortable here.

[Donut Operator]

You're part of it. Are you taking off your boots, Cody? What? Like, what is the military. Things you had to do, like, when.

[Eli Doubletap]

You were a sailor. I forgot about that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. What was.

[Donut Operator]

I never heard you, like. Cody's like, this sucked.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, we heard about the psp.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, yeah, that. Never mind. That's some ptsd. No, I got Kummy talking about psp.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was that. I rewatched that episode we were on where you told that story about throwing the mattress out and everything. I was driving back from Houston, I think, and I was crying, laughing. I was there. It was just a funny fucking story.

[Unknown]

Don't think about it. Let's come back to it.

[Eli Doubletap]

What was your rate in the Navy? I don't even know that.

[Unknown]

Did a lot of shit. I was supposed to be an avionic electronic technician. And then I went to auxiliary security force on Norfolk Naval Base for over a year. And then I tried to be a seal and I went to a program called the NUG Program. New useless guy. And I did that for a long time. My command forgot about me, so I was just, like, swimming, working out every day. And then I went to buds, and BUDS didn't work out. So I. My naval service was pretty subpar.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, dude, you got trapped in that thing that you love where it's like everyone forgets about you. And you're like, I hope the government doesn't remember me because you wouldn't retire if they would have just stayed there for 20 years.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're like, your job was to swim in San Diego.

[Eli Doubletap]

How awful was that?

[Unknown]

It was pretty rad.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, never find me when we. Never find me.

[Donut Operator]

When we landed in back to Iraq during mid tour. It was a sandstorm for that was whiplash. A week, no going back. It's that it is because you just get time off where you're just like, I hope they this storm doesn't end. Because when you land, they have to fly you in helicopter to your station. They couldn't take off. So it's just a sandstorm and I'm grounded for like, I think it was 15 days where I'm supposed to be in combat. I was like, maybe the sandstorm just goes on for like two months. Your boy skirts, two months of war. And then finally it cleared up. Like, hey, you're flying. I was like, fuck.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay.

[Eli Doubletap]

You know what's interesting is I've never been deployed to a place that had like that wall of sand, that sandstorm. So like I did Afghanistan and uae and they both happened there, but both times I was there, I was in RC south in Afghanistan, monsoon season. I remember standing in the guard tower, like begging the SOG sergeant of the guard for my poncho. I had built an igloo out of ammo boxes trying to block terrain. And he like runs up the stairs and just throws it at me and runs back away. I'm freezing my balls off. But like that happened. And then in uae we had like our Patriot site. And I don't know if you guys know this, there's. Aside from a sailboat, the best known catcher of wind is the door of a Patriot ecs. I don't know if you know that. And fucking pissing rain. And it was blowing sideways and I remember I opened the door and there's like a pressure differential inside and outside the van. And it caught the door and smashed my fingers in the door jam. And then yanked my shoulder real hard. And I almost broke that door. I was trying to punch the wind in the face. Let me put it to you that way. I was that fucking angry.

[Unknown]

You're like the Florida man when the hurricanes are there shooting at it with shotguns.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'll take you hurricane.

[Donut Operator]

How do the missiles work in the hurricane or not the hurricane in the.

[Brandon Herrera]

Sand over, like, assume you're not supposed to fire them in tornado winds.

[Unknown]

You shoot the hurricane with the missiles.

[Eli Doubletap]

We actually have a setting that I.

[Donut Operator]

Was gonna say, I guarantee they have. Because they wouldn't be like, well, the iron dam's going down, the missiles ain't gonna stop.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, I assume you know Tel Aviv doesn't get hit with many tornadoes.

[Donut Operator]

That's true. Sandstorms.

[Eli Doubletap]

I guess the easiest way to Explain it. So we have a gale force authorization inside of of our van. And what that does is so the missile has to know where it's going, so the radar has to tell it where it is. Like the missile knows where it is because it knows where it is. And type. Type shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Thank you for reciting that, because I.

[Eli Doubletap]

Was going to, of course. So the missile comes out.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's in the tism. You just have to do it.

[Eli Doubletap]

So missile comes out, radar acquires missile. And there's an uplink. Downlink. Right. In gale force winds, as that missile comes out, it can shift left or right. So what it does is it opens that gate of where the missile passes through when the radar acquires it. So if it comes out and it's pushed sideways, the radar knows where it is.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it just widens the cone of where it can catch it.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yep.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay.

[Unknown]

This reminds me of that viral YouTube. The missile.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. That's not where it's at. The missile knows where it is because the missile knows where it is. Not.

[Eli Doubletap]

We gotta tell it all that the missile's dumb as shit.

[Donut Operator]

Stupid missile.

[Eli Doubletap]

Are you ready, babe?

[Unknown]

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[Donut Operator]

Well, bad idea.

[Post Malone]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Eli Doubletap]

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[Donut Operator]

That's fucking wild.

[Brandon Herrera]

So all radar does is go left?

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah. Go left, go right. And then one of our missiles. It's called going pit bull for anyone who ever works.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it attacks a toddler in the ocean.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

That pit bull swims a Mile out to sea to attack drowning toddler.

[Donut Operator]

People are getting angry in the comment section.

[Eli Doubletap]

There's some guys who like radar guided missiles who's like, let him finish the pitbull thing.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, Pitbull owner. I can make those jokes. Fuck you. That's my race card.

[Eli Doubletap]

So one of our missiles, we got it in the whole way. And the other one, we. So the target doesn't know the missile is coming because we don't like paint it with anything special. It's called a track wall scan or track wall search. It depends where you read it. The radar just looks at the missile and looks at the target and tells the missile where to go. And then about, give or take, I mean, unclass is like about half a second before impact. The radar goes, you got it? And the missile goes, I got it. And just smokes it.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh.

[Donut Operator]

So it's like right up until the moment, so.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it's kind of like what the old like wire guided stuff used to do. As soon as it like reached the end of the wire, it's like, all right, I know where I'm going from here.

[Eli Doubletap]

And just pretty much, yeah, I, I don't know. I. I'm not too experienced with wire guided stuff, but yeah, go and pit bull and. But that's why every pilot, including a couple of friendly ones, have never survived a Patriot engagement. Yeah, we shot down three friendly pilots. Wasn't me. Like, I wasn't there.

[Donut Operator]

I hope not.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, no, I, like, I didn't do it.

[Donut Operator]

But that's the title of this episode.

[Eli Doubletap]

British Tornado and that news article.

[Brandon Herrera]

We all find out something radically new about you. You're just like, yeah, so that's my psd, ptsd. Those poor children, dude.

[Eli Doubletap]

Those pilots had no idea what the was coming, but it looked cool.

[Donut Operator]

Jesus.

[Brandon Herrera]

What was the situation on that, though? I'm really curious.

[Eli Doubletap]

So the imagine. So the way radar works is.

[Brandon Herrera]

We're all about to feel really bad about making those jokes now, but.

[Eli Doubletap]

So imagine the way radar works is imagine you walk into a room and it's pitch black and you have to figure out who is in there by their sound, how they move and how they smell. That's. That's kind of the way a radar works. So like, if you're an enemy aircraft, you don't want me to know what you are, but if you're a friendly aircraft, oftentimes you have your identify friend or foe turned off and you don't want anyone to know what you are because that's, I mean, the easiest way to Go fuck up Saddam. You know, that's what they were doing. So friendly aircraft went out, did a bombing run. They were on their way back in. I actually talked to one of the. His wingman. Like, one on one. I talked to his wingman. The Juice was the guy that we killed in the American F18. That was his call sign, Juice. And what they did.

[Brandon Herrera]

I loved his football career.

[Eli Doubletap]

You know, the whole wife situation. That's, you know.

[Brandon Herrera]

You know, you can't win them all. Although he didn't in court, but.

[Eli Doubletap]

So back then, our radars could fan Broncos.

[Donut Operator]

God damn it. We'll go back to that. Just the ridiculousness of that.

[Eli Doubletap]

So back then, our radars were good, but they're not as good as they are now. Like, I know a lot more information about somebody we have. Okay. I don't know how much of that I can say, but we know a lot about something flying through the air. And what they did is they dove towards the airfield. Now, when you. What it is, is it's a threshold of kinematic criteria. Your altitude, how fast you're diving, length, discrimination, all these other factors. And what the system did back then is said, that's an enemy missile. The system thought that the pilot diving towards the airfield was an enemy missile headed towards the airfield. And back then, operators were trained that the system is smarter than you. If it recommends something, that's what it is. Now we know that the system is imperfect, so operators have to verify everything.

[Brandon Herrera]

Why did it make. Why did they dive toward the airfield?

[Eli Doubletap]

Honestly, I don't know. When I talked to the pilot, that was his wingman, he straight up admitted he's like, we. We were instructed to dive towards the airfield. And he goes, to this day, I have no idea why we did that.

[Donut Operator]

That's very strange. Like random and telling at the same time.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, he. He doesn't know why. He explained that they used conspiracy from big missile, big missile, big missile, go foosh and Guy go bye bye.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's fucking crazy, though, when it do.

[Donut Operator]

Because I'm assuming they knew that maneuver would maybe set it off beforehand or.

[Eli Doubletap]

No, this is 2003, and not a lot was known about American Patriot. And back then, pilots weren't really well instructed on air defense like American air defense. They were taught a lot about the enemy, but then back then, we also didn't know too much about our friendly air capabilities. The guy came off of the USS Kitty Hawk, which is crazy, because my brother served on the Kitty Hawk, who's an old carrier, diesel carrier. And he. I've heard rumors that he actually successfully ejected and then drowned in the lake. Oh, shit. Don't know how true that is. I've heard rumors of it. I have no idea what the truth is there. But they did. But they kind of got us back. The Air Force got us back because there was a British Tornado shot down, same situation. They dove towards the airfield and we smoked two British pilots. The F18 dove towards the airfield, smoked an F18 and F16. Actually saw the radar, picked up the radar, the radar knew it was an F16. So it was like, hey, I'm gonna leave it alone. The F16 didn't know the radar was the radar. It came around behind it and smoked it with an anti radiation missile. So, yeah, they kind of got him back. Yeah. Iraq 2003 was a wild place for air defense.

[Brandon Herrera]

Holy.

[Donut Operator]

Wait, hold the on. So he didn't know it was his own friendly. He just got pinged. And so he was like. That's while I was like taking it out.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

And then all you land, you like fucking took out a missile launcher and they're like, that was yours?

[Eli Doubletap]

That was. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

So about that.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

How much is that?

[Eli Doubletap]

Those things are like $150 million apiece. Yeah, that's a.

[Brandon Herrera]

But I mean, was it unmanned?

[Eli Doubletap]

So the radar itself is unmanned.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, that's just smoke.

[Eli Doubletap]

The radar.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

No one died in it.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's a harder thing to explain.

[Eli Doubletap]

They actually got it back up and running in 24 hours. I talked to one of the guys that was out there. He's like, dude, if we would have moved that radar an inch, all the connectors would have came undone because they were like, just held together with like bubble gum and like random wires. They found. They're like. But we got it running.

[Brandon Herrera]

So I was wondering because, like you mentioned that the. There was talk that the guy had survived and, you know, drowned after ejecting. How much. What's the missile payload like on that thing? Because I'm just thinking the. Just the raw TBI force of rocket or. Excuse me, a missile going off that close, if it makes contact with your aircraft, like, that's got to fuck you up.

[Eli Doubletap]

It depends on the missile. Pack three Patriot advance capability version three. Those are kinetic kill, tip to tip. That's the way they work.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Of course, I had to make a tip to tip joke.

[Donut Operator]

Yep.

[Eli Doubletap]

Pack two, which is what he got hit with, is a proximity kill. So as it approaches, it explodes like a shotgun shell through it.

[Brandon Herrera]

So there's a distance gap that could be anywhere.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah. So I mean it's a 16 foot missile moving it roughly unclassified Mach 4, hitting with the kinetic energy of a freight train going off a 70 story building. So it's, it's a pretty hard hit. Like it's. Yeah, it's a pretty hard hit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. I was just, I was just trying to think of like a scenario where the pilot, if there is an explosive on something like that, like even if, I don't know, like just how you survive that. Because I mean an explosive that close, even a low, much, much smaller payload of explosive.

[Eli Doubletap]

Well, he might have gotten lucky because it engaged him like a missile. So Patriot engages missiles different than we engage aircraft. When we engage aircraft for various reasons, not just lethality. And this is going to sound really war crimey to anyone who's never heard it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Go on.

[Eli Doubletap]

And I can say this because Lieutenant Commander Candeloro said that we don't.

[Donut Operator]

It's very good to point out the exact name. Go on.

[Eli Doubletap]

I'm going to say the exact name. It doesn't target the aircraft, we target the cockpit. It comes down on top of the cockpit.

[Brandon Herrera]

So why is that? If you can say.

[Eli Doubletap]

I don't know if I can say.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay, that's fine.

[Donut Operator]

That's one of those hard ones. It's like with certain weapons. It's not you can't use it on enemy personnel, but you can use it on their armor system, their weapons. Remember we talked about this the other day.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like aimed at.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, aimed at his comms gear.

[Brandon Herrera]

The 50 cal is an anti material weapon. Which is why I aimed for his ear pro when he was turned to the left.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yes, the 50 I loved the M2 was here. The M2 is the just most perfect weapon system. Like everyone always asks me like what's your favorite weapon? Hlc? Like if I, if you don't want me to pick between like you know, handheld crew serve anything M2 heavy barrel.50 caliber machine gun. It's just, it's perfection in motion.

[Brandon Herrera]

Doctor.

[Eli Doubletap]

There we go.

[Brandon Herrera]

Doctor if you have somebody who accurately headspaces and times that gun, it runs.

[Eli Doubletap]

I have, I have a confession to tell you and this, this may hurt your feelings a whole lot.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh dear.

[Eli Doubletap]

The newer versions we have in the.

[Brandon Herrera]

Army, they do it themselves.

[Eli Doubletap]

Shove in, twist, done.

[Donut Operator]

That are my feelings.

[Eli Doubletap]

I know that yo, I'm sorry.

[Donut Operator]

The hours I spent on stupid glasses.

[Eli Doubletap]

And they fire better dirty. Don't ever clean your M2. You give it a quick wipe, some CLP, move on. They fire better dirty.

[Brandon Herrera]

You want a girl with some experience you know?

[Donut Operator]

Oh, yeah, of course, dude. I was. Dude, once I heard that, I was like, get the. Out of here. You just have to screw this in, and then it locks in, and then that's it.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yep.

[Donut Operator]

Like. Yeah. You don't do the three rotations out. Look at the window. Okay. It's good. Put in. No, I still know how to spend some time. And you're doing all that dumb shit just for it to run, right?

[Brandon Herrera]

That. And you really don't need to after. Well, you don't need to do it every time after.

[Donut Operator]

You.

[Brandon Herrera]

You know your gun where you're like, oh, okay, that one that likes to be screwed in all the way. And then you unscrew it three clicks out.

[Unknown]

Boom.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, if you know your gun, you know what it likes.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's right in the sweet spot. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

And you try to memorize that sweet spot. So you just make assembling and disembarking.

[Eli Doubletap]

If I remember. I mean, it was 14 years ago. I think my. My truck's 50 was seven clicks.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Unless she was hot. When she was hot, it was five.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, thermal expansion. That's.

[Eli Doubletap]

You got a gun sitting on top of a truck at 120 degrees, some shit's gonna expand.

[Donut Operator]

Well, dude, it is terrifying when you use those, like, the MGS system and then the thermals and how it compensates for, like, when you're driving at 60 miles per hour, hitting bumps that the target doesn't move. When you're aimed at something, it's like the vehicle is, like, going everywhere, and it's just like chicken head. Just gyroscope right onto your.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's the same as an Abrams. Just hold the Cadillacs. That gun will. You could turn that tank in every different direction. That gun's gonna stay right where it's at.

[Donut Operator]

And then you see the rams just, like, thunk. I mean, you just see explosions in the thermal. Like, hey.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because those are the ones that they were. They were doing the videos of the tanks firing after jumping a ramp and firing in midair. Because the gyroscopes were that good.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, yeah. Did you notice if you pay real close attention to that video, the tank is riding a little bit lower after that? Because those tanks have torsion bar suspension, just like. So they have a giant bar that's, like this big that runs through the whole hull, and there's a wishbone on either end, and it twists the metal. That's the suspension on an Abrams main battle tank. And if you come down hard enough, you'll snap them and you Gotta pull everything apart.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's just like the old school. Duke's a hazard where it's like, yeah, it made the jump, didn't make the landing.

[Eli Doubletap]

Nope.

[Donut Operator]

They just rotate them. There's a good commercial beat.

[Brandon Herrera]

After seven seasons, you got three or 300 cars sitting over there on the side that didn't make it.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, they. I've never had to. I've never lost one of those. I've thrown track. Back when I was a tanker, I've thrown track. My lieutenant, he threw track hard enough, and I'd never seen this before. So in the. In the track, there's cooling tubes that go all the way through it. And if you see an Abrams, like, after it's been driving for a while, drive through water, the track will steam because those cooling tubes are so hot. And he went to pivot steer, his driver did, and a cooling tube shot out and stuck in a tree like, 50 meters away. And the track just came apart. I was like, I have never seen some like that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, I've never seen tube shot out.

[Eli Doubletap]

It ejected straight out. Like, it snapped.

[Brandon Herrera]

And I was just gonna ask, is that bad for it to rapidly cool? Like, Apparently.

[Donut Operator]

I guarantee somebody has died by that.

[Unknown]

The squad of guys that were pinned to that tree.

[Donut Operator]

It's just a formation.

[Brandon Herrera]

The dude kebab in the pine tree.

[Donut Operator]

Just lower the tank.

[Eli Doubletap]

Just.

[Donut Operator]

Sorry. I think a tank did it.

[Eli Doubletap]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Unknown]

He just shot a cooling tube at us.

[Brandon Herrera]

God.

[Donut Operator]

Dude. Like, tearing track off is for the people that don't know it. I've never had to deal with it. I've dealt with, like, changing a tire, a striker tire. And that's still got 200, £300 or something, honestly.

[Eli Doubletap]

So aside from the weight of the track itself, the Abrams has really, really cool tools. And they work most of the time. We have these things called track jacks. And what they are is they're a hook on both ends. They weigh, like 25 pounds. And you put those around the cooling tubes. When you're trying to close your track, put one on the inside, one on the outside, and then the slave receptacle on the back of the tank. You have an impact that plugs into that.

[Donut Operator]

You just.

[Eli Doubletap]

And it pulls the track together. And then you put on the end connector. It's actually pretty cool.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, it's just like my uncle, when he was, you know, trying to change the. The main springs in his car and his axles just, like, doing clamps on him.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, shit. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Just like, staggering those and just, like compressing it.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's. That's working with a hand grenade.

[Unknown]

Scary.

[Brandon Herrera]

No. He didn't live very long. I don't know why.

[Eli Doubletap]

I can't imagine. He may or may not have a strut, like, impacted somewhere sternum. I don't like doing struts, man.

[Donut Operator]

No, they're terrified. It's just an act of hand grenade. You, like, cinch it down with, like, ratchet system.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're like, what's the pressure rating on this thing?

[Donut Operator]

I don't want to be around this.

[Eli Doubletap]

There's some guys are like, it's not that bad. And they have like a. Like a snap on 700 wall mounted, like, compressor that they use. And I was like, yeah, if I had that, I wouldn't be nervous about them either. But I'm here with a ratchet strap and a prayer.

[Brandon Herrera]

What's interesting, though, about the Abrams is how much you're not allowed to work on them. I didn't know that until, like, some friends of mine that I talked to, like, they used to run the Abrams back when the Marine Corps had those, but they didn't have the security clearance. Like, if they needed to do something with the armor or something like that. Oh, yeah, you can't. You can't fucking touch that because that is so classified.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, you tear open the armor, it's like you put a tarp over it and you called General Dynamics. They come out with it like the engine and shit. That's all us. But, yeah, all alone.

[Donut Operator]

Time to trim the old pubes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Hey there, beach babe.

[Post Malone]

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[Donut Operator]

I don't have pants on.

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[Eli Doubletap]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Eli Doubletap]

So an average Abrams doesn't come with the reactive armor. That's part of the. That's part of the tusk. Sit set. Tusk is tank urban survival kit.

[Donut Operator]

Okay.

[Eli Doubletap]

My tank didn't have ERA explosive reactive armor, but the stable reactive armor is.

[Donut Operator]

Mmm. Dude's fucking.

[Brandon Herrera]

I would love to have been in the pitch meeting for reactive armor.

[Donut Operator]

You just sit up.

[Brandon Herrera]

So basically, people started penetrating. People started penetrating tank armor with things like shape charges and whatnot. So, like, you have an RPG7 where basically the front cone of it is just copper fucking.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's just liquefied by the high explosives, which then creates a jet of liquid metal that penetrates a hole and pushes explosive through that hole and into the cabin and, you know, fries everything, cooks the guys inside. So reactive armor is the idea that. How do we beat fire? Fire. So the armor on the tank explodes the other way? Yeah, it's literally like, it takes the explosion and go, oh, something's exploding. Sets off the explosives in the armor to try to redirect and basically weaken that, you know, jet of metal. Which, like, I would just love to have been in that pitch. Pitch meeting where the guy's just like, I know how we beat that explosive that just hit our tank. What if we make tank explode the other way?

[Eli Doubletap]

Hundreds of bricks of explosive.

[Unknown]

American thing I've ever heard in my life.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, it is brick, as they're saying. Like, it is. You have, like, stacks of just essentially C4 facing outwards. Like, claymore is just that way.

[Unknown]

It sounds like they bring in J.J. abrams. How do you beat these explosives?

[Donut Operator]

Explosives and lens flares.

[Eli Doubletap]

I don't even know which which country came up with explosive reactive armor.

[Brandon Herrera]

It had to be us.

[Eli Doubletap]

I want to say it was us, but I see a lot more Russian tanks with it than I do American tanks.

[Donut Operator]

They probably adopted it afterwards, I think. Was it T? Well, it would have been like, the T80s or 90s. When did that first come into play.

[Brandon Herrera]

Actually, come to think of it? That does sound like a very Russian thing, now that you say it out loud.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. We want armor that explode outward. Here. We try on Igor first.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's almost like we, like, imagine if.

[Donut Operator]

It'S reactive Chest plates.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, God.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Works very well for Tank, not very good for Haven.

[Eli Doubletap]

Dude, it's. We have a. At the Fort Sill training support facility at the Air Defense artillery location. They have. I don't know what it's called exactly. It's a tracked Russian vehicle that has quad 20 millimeters on it. And it's like they're one of their anti aircraft guns. I didn't realize how shitty Russian equipment is because like right next to it is an M Bradley linebacker. It's an M6 Bradley linebacker which is a Bradley designed for anti air instead of TOW missiles. It's got stingers on it. And you go over to the Bradley and you knock on it. It's like solid. Like it feels like you're knocking on concrete. It does not give. You go over to that Russian thing. It's like it's made of like rolled aluminum. It is just so. Just shitty. I'm like, the survivability, that's awful. No wonder they think the Bradley's fucking amazing.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's not built for it.

[Eli Doubletap]

No. People are replaceable in Russia. Remember that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, there is. And you know it sucks, but like the. Every military has. That is how much is the person worth versus the equipment and how. What is the manufacturing capacity to replace the person versus the equipment? And that's unfortunately like the devil's arithmetic for certain things like that.

[Eli Doubletap]

I think the US Military, I remember reading somewhere and it could have changed is they. They value a human life like a soldier's Life at around $90,000. Which that's. I take that, you know, I'm good with that. Me being worth about 90 grand. I'll take it.

[Unknown]

I learned that in Fight Club. Bradward Norton's talking about like the car manufacturing company because he works with insurance companies. He's like, well, if the cost of doing a recall is more than just paying the family off that died in our cars, we just don't do a recall.

[Eli Doubletap]

Holy shit.

[Donut Operator]

That's a fight club. For a second I thought Cody was talking about he joined a fight club.

[Brandon Herrera]

I learned about that in my fight club.

[Unknown]

See then like, okay, we're not going to recall the cars. We're okay with the casualties.

[Brandon Herrera]

And you know, that's. God, that's a real thing.

[Unknown]

It is absolutely a real thing.

[Eli Doubletap]

100%. Someone has to do that math.

[Brandon Herrera]

Also, I found out who made the first reactive explosive. Excuse me. Reactive armor. Austria. Excuse me. Australia.

[Eli Doubletap]

Huh? You know, Australia, they get. Hold on. They don't get the credit they're due. You know, they Also came up with the cardboard drones that are used in Ukraine right now. They made cardboard drones. They're like a couple hundred dollars a piece. They're full of explosive and they've been using the shit out of them on Russia. The Ukrainians have cardboard. Like they come in a kit like you're putting together a model airplane.

[Donut Operator]

No shit. Just fly explosives. Made a cardboard.

[Eli Doubletap]

Made a cardboard. So I don't know what the returns are on a radar from cardboard but.

[Donut Operator]

Like, I mean if it's too a couple hundred bucks to make, they charge what even charging a grand for?

[Eli Doubletap]

They sell them in a pallet like, like flat box together. And you just grab one and like, dude, it's so wild.

[Brandon Herrera]

The Australians like the devil's origami.

[Donut Operator]

We can't pay these soldiers to do this. I got an idea.

[Eli Doubletap]

Okay.

[Donut Operator]

There's this elementary school right down the street. We just do arts and crafts once a week.

[Brandon Herrera]

We pay the kids, make sure the crease is nice. Nice and tight. Betty.

[Donut Operator]

Whoever gets the most gets $10. You have the kids racing to put these things together, strap the explosives on it and we're good.

[Eli Doubletap]

We'll be fine.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're getting a pizza party.

[Donut Operator]

It's like the perfect weapon. We have designed the perfect system.

[Brandon Herrera]

Good effect on target.

[Eli Doubletap]

Alan.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, but apparently they were trying to defeat Japanese 75 millimeter hollow charge shells that were being used against Allied tanks in the Pacific.

[Donut Operator]

So they forties.

[Brandon Herrera]

This happened 1944.

[Donut Operator]

Did not know that.

[Brandon Herrera]

I would have not guessed that. I would have guessed way later.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, no, I learned something new today.

[Brandon Herrera]

Where it was. I learned something new today too. And so did you, hopefully. Unless you're Nick. Nick probably knew this.

[Eli Doubletap]

No, you know what? I got something that Nick doesn't know. I learned about something recently and I. Because I do a lot of my research for like my USA versus the World Series and I was doing research on. Yeah, right. We're the reigning champions right now. Just so everybody knows.

[Donut Operator]

Watch you by underdog.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

You want to make a bet on World War 3?

[Donut Operator]

I sure as shit do the over under.

[Eli Doubletap]

So the Brits, I didn't know they had this. And I love that I get to use these words in succession together. So when I describe this. I love the Stinger. Let me first start with saying that I love the Stinger missile. It's a great shoulder fired missile. It's a solid missile. It's. I mean it does good effect on target. They're affordable. I like it. I love it. But the Brits, they came out swinging. They have something called the hvm And I love that I get to use these words. The HVM is a Mach 3.5-sh shoulder fired rocket. That or excuse me, missile that locks on and has three tail stabilized explosive fragmentation darts inside of it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Why, what is it used for?

[Eli Doubletap]

Aircraft, apparently you yeet it at them at Mach 3.5 and you can find pictures of it. It's got three metal explosive darts in it that are like this long.

[Brandon Herrera]

Are they like stagger stacked in it?

[Eli Doubletap]

No, they're all three together. Like this big around. Yeah, it's like a giant flechette that explodes. I.

[Brandon Herrera]

You turned me on, brother.

[Unknown]

That's metal as fuck, dude.

[Eli Doubletap]

I was reading about it. I was like, yeah, uk, that's what I'm talking about.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, the real question is, did they give a thousand of them to a CIA operative named Tim Osman?

[Eli Doubletap]

I don't know how many of them they even have. Dude, it's wild.

[Brandon Herrera]

If you don't know that joke, Google it. I'm going to be assassin.

[Donut Operator]

Brandon died yesterday.

[Brandon Herrera]

You guys know that. You get that, right?

[Donut Operator]

I don't know that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh yeah, that was the CIA handle that we gave to Osama bin Laden back when he was working for us.

[Donut Operator]

No shit?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, whole Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, all that.

[Donut Operator]

That's when Rocky 3 came out.

[Brandon Herrera]

Rambo 3. I actually, I have the dishka from that movie.

[Eli Doubletap]

You have the dish?

[Brandon Herrera]

I have the rubber dishka from that movie.

[Donut Operator]

Oh. I was like, how the we never fired that thing.

[Brandon Herrera]

I've got a dishka, but I don't have the dishka from that movie.

[Donut Operator]

Okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

That dish is actually hilarious because they had no idea what a dishka was. Didn't have access to like cloning it because it's during the Cold War. So they just had a rubber replica made of a. An M2 and they just add the. Added the finned barrel with the big anti aircraft sights and the muzzle break and they're just like good enough. Nobody will know the difference.

[Eli Doubletap]

That looks like a dish gun.

[Donut Operator]

Government work. Good work. Clap their hands up.

[Eli Doubletap]

I didn't know. I would very much like to see that someday.

[Brandon Herrera]

Come by the shop. All right, that's not flooded.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, that's fair. So let me preface this by stating that I thought long and hard about this and I didn't want to like it was a moral dilemma for me and I may have made like legitimately need whistleblower protection here.

[Donut Operator]

So not the podcast for that.

[Brandon Herrera]

I mean, we are good people.

[Donut Operator]

You want me to leave it alone? I don't care. We can.

[Brandon Herrera]

So I just want to know what the fuck.

[Eli Doubletap]

Something happened recently.

[Donut Operator]

I'll end up dead.

[Eli Doubletap]

That kind of turned me. And now I. I'm like, all right. Something's got to be said. So I don't know if you know this, but in Oklahoma City, two Afghan men who showed up during Operation Afghan welcome, or Allies Refuge or whatever they called it that week.

[Donut Operator]

Right?

[Eli Doubletap]

The people we brought in from Afghanistan, the 130,000 of them.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, this is right during the. The ending of.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yes, but this is actually. Yeah, right during.

[Brandon Herrera]

I had a guess on a year.

[Eli Doubletap]

This is this year. Oh, really? Oh, okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

I don't know what you were about to give us information on, but I'm like, Oklahoma.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oklahoma City.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm like, oh, no.

[Eli Doubletap]

So in Oklahoma City, they were.

[Unknown]

Oh, shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

You really might need whistleblower protection.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yo. So these two guys were just arrested by the FBI because they were planning with isis, K, which is the ISIS that's in Afghanistan, to shoot up voting booths on voting day.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, I saw that. Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

So that was this year. These guys. Then you find out later on down the road they weren't properly vetted. And here's the thing. I was in the G Cell. I worked in the G3 during Operation Afghan. Welcome to Task Force Picket. I was privy to a lot of information. Now, during humanitarian missions, you understand that there's a lot of people that come in, and there's a lot of diseases that come in, like, every other day. It was leishmaniasis, smallpox. Like, pick a disease aside from, like, polio, it came through our borders. Just so you guys know, the part that I have a problem with is I was watching the United States government hemorrhage about a million dollars a week per base. There was seven bases doing this simultaneously. Okay, so there's that.

[Donut Operator]

7 mil a week.

[Eli Doubletap]

7 mil a week. We did this for six months straight. And meanwhile.

[Brandon Herrera]

So this was at 35 million a year, something like that.

[Eli Doubletap]

I have no idea. In this time, we found 27 weeks. They got full. They got free housing, free medical, free food, free everything, taking care of them by the US Government. But they didn't want to follow the rules. We. We paid contractors to clean.

[Brandon Herrera]

Excuse me.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, we paid contractors to clean the latrines three times a day, and they were still shitting on the ground next to the latrine. So, like, okay, I get it. There's some things. They started making shanks and stealing from each other. Like, there was a lot of bad that happened. But the problem that I have is.

[Donut Operator]

We were a million dollars per week and there were seven of them.

[Eli Doubletap]

Seven bases. Yes.

[Donut Operator]

28 weeks or 27 weeks time.

[Eli Doubletap]

7,189,000,000.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

What the.

[Eli Doubletap]

So that's how I know the government's.

[Donut Operator]

Like, oh, oh, yeah, fuck.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's how I know the government doesn't care about homelessness. Because if we could do that for 130,000 people at the drop of a hat, why can't we take care of our citizens that way? Just the problem I have is, and I was kicked out of this meeting, I was. Well, I was assertively requested to leave this meeting. Now this goes to you in law enforcement and this goes to you as a prospective politician. Every single day we were told, yeah, we were told every day that we were not allowed to stop them going anywhere, which is fine, humanitarian thing. But then we would get notified about a couple times a week of walk offs. People who just walk off the base and never come back. And I was like, I asked the question. I said, hey, we have customs and border patrol here. If they want to walk off the base and not go through the fingerprinting and processing background checks, everything else, just have customs and border patrol arrest them and send their asses back. Like they don't want to follow the rules, they can leave. I was told to leave that meeting because we had to allow them to walk off the base. So there's people here from Afghanistan who were allowed to walk off of those bases and were never vetted, never went through healthcare, never did anything. There's not many, but there are here.

[Donut Operator]

It would be just let them on and off with no, like, no, they.

[Eli Doubletap]

Would let them like leave, like completely leave and never come back.

[Brandon Herrera]

I have a, I have a story that's associated with that actually something that I've heard from and I didn't know the context until just now when you told me was, you know, friends that I have that, you know, active duty that were told that basically like, hey, these guys are your responsibility.

[Unknown]

You got it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like just basically put up with them for a while. Like you have these, you know, 20 dudes you gotta watch and whatnot. And they were asking him like, can we go to Walmart? He's like, no. He's like, but we need cell phone like the. You do? Yeah. And basically just telling him like, no down, like, I'm not taking you a Walmart. Like, I don't even like you here.

[Eli Doubletap]

I. That was.

[Donut Operator]

And this is while you were over there.

[Eli Doubletap]

This is. No, this is while I was in Virginia in Task At Task force Picket.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Hearing everything.

[Eli Doubletap]

I was watching it all come in. Yeah. Watching it all come in. And I was just like. And I bit my tongue. And hats off to the 26 MU, the Marine Expeditionary Unit, the two six MU. Because those guys showed up, and they were. I don't know if MEW has ever done a humanitarian mission, but, like, I was in the G Cell, and they're like, yo, Sar, you need to go down there and tell the Marines to stop drawing ammo. We're like, they're drawing ammo. They had, like, convoys lined up. They're like, we need 50 Cal. We need 5, 5, 6, 76 2. And I was like, guys, this is humanitarian. They're like, so we can't have bullets.

[Donut Operator]

So less.

[Eli Doubletap]

50 cal.

[Donut Operator]

Got it. Less.

[Unknown]

50 cal.

[Donut Operator]

More 240. Make this humanitarian.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah. The Marines. And then it was just. Don't get me wrong. There was. There was absolutely good people who came through our borders. There was absolutely people who wanted to go through the. In processing, become an American citizen, you know, do everything the right way, and get an opportunity here. So I would never want to.

[Donut Operator]

Which we love. And then that's the thing. It's like, everyone is on board for that thing because there was a lot of people that got fucked over that did help a lot of individuals over.

[Brandon Herrera]

There's a lot of dudes. They. They risked their lives and their family's lives.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

To help us.

[Donut Operator]

And then they still got over in the long run, like, oh, who's a boy that got the terp? Yeah, there was a couple of terps that like. And then the one dude that just saved Sniper guy.

[Eli Doubletap]

Chris Kyle.

[Donut Operator]

No, Jake Gyllenhaal.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, man.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. This other movie that. Oh, you're talking about Lone Survivor.

[Donut Operator]

Lone Survivor. Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Marcus Luttrell.

[Donut Operator]

Markelle. Yeah, Mark. Oh, my God. Why the fuck Mark? I forgot. I don't know. I would love his name.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was like, Richie movie.

[Donut Operator]

Like, no, Mark. But that's like that whole thing with that dude that found him and went through that entire process and now how much trouble it took.

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[Post Malone]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Eli Doubletap]

Now I'm going. What's interesting is I saw that movie After Afghanistan. Great movie, by the way. Highly recommend it. Wonderful movie. I'll never watch it again. I was like, pouring sweat, like, leaving the movie theater. And I as fucked up as I could understand the Afghans because they were actually speaking posh to in the movie. And that is the only instance of Pashtun Wali I have ever seen. And Pashtun Wally is pretty much like a posh tune saying, I will protect you no matter what. And what he did for Marcus Luttrell is an example of Pashtun Wally. I've never seen it in any other example. That's the only example I've ever seen them actually following through with Pashtun Wally. Sorry. Little cultural thing. But yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, that's really interesting.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

That's just wild.

[Unknown]

Your side story with Marcus Littrell. Who are we talking to? We're Marcus or. Who's Marcus's brother?

[Brandon Herrera]

Morgan.

[Eli Doubletap]

Morgan.

[Unknown]

Morgan got on a plane with a guy.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And the guy was.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, yeah. Oh, a guy. Didn't realize he was talking to Morgan, Marcus's twin brother, and was claiming to be Marcus Luttrell.

[Eli Doubletap]

What?

[Donut Operator]

Oh, you didn't hear this?

[Brandon Herrera]

No.

[Eli Doubletap]

To be a fly on the wall, bro.

[Donut Operator]

And the guy was like.

[Brandon Herrera]

And by the way, Morgan Littrell is not a nobody either. Also, he looks just like him.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, he's a, like, identical twin in this dude.

[Eli Doubletap]

I thought this was Marcus Luttrell, but.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, it was like, oh, please, tell me about Marcus. Oh, tell me about yourself.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, my God.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, my.

[Donut Operator]

Stone valor. So weird. Where it is that next degree. You're like, surely they're not gonna. Oh, my God. They're going this deep into that Fantasy.

[Eli Doubletap]

World, you know, it's crazy. Oh, go ahead.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, no, no.

[Eli Doubletap]

What's crazy about it? And I've never really ran into somebody. Well, okay, there's one guy I knew who stole valor, but, like, it's the guys who served, like, six months to three years who were like, you're disgraced. Like, they freak out. And the dudes who all did, like, 10, 15 years were like, you're an idiot. And just roll out. Like, it's all the guys who've been in a long time. It's like, I. You're stupid.

[Donut Operator]

Don't care. We've seen that one at the plane. That's the only time I can think.

[Brandon Herrera]

About not stand a sternum.

[Eli Doubletap]

What?

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, what?

[Unknown]

The guy talking about stabbing people.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, I kill. I know. They taught me how to kill a man in 16 ways. Cut a man stand. I mean, you're like, this is like, we were for Brandon's.

[Eli Doubletap]

I know.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's for the live shows.

[Donut Operator]

The live shows. Oh, my God.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

I got. Just sat next to one of them and I was like.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm like, dude, I've. I've spent a lot of my life around people that have actually done shit like that. None of them talk that way. That's not a single one.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like, dudes who have seen the worst, like, most abhorrent shit. Like, the Medal of Honor recipients are, like, the chillest. They're, like, super laid back.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, they're not, like, don't produce cortisol anymore.

[Eli Doubletap]

As.

[Donut Operator]

I mean, I've said it's really hard for, like, stress levels are what you go through in life. And then that's your reset to your stress level. Your reset to your stress level. And then you go through that so many times. Medal of Honor recipients, where it's like, so, like, you're like, man, like, mine takes a lot to, like, kick it off. But then I meet other guys. I'm like, dude. But they're all very. Just, like. They're very. Just go with the flow, you see, they don't quickly anger Griffith.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Like, you hearing Griff stories and you're like. Like, that was the first time I was just watching Brian. Like.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, so this is crazy, dude. Like, he's. And he's just such a chill guy. He's remarkably chill.

[Donut Operator]

He's talking about what helicopter was. It was a Black Hawker.

[Brandon Herrera]

Is another Chinook, I think.

[Donut Operator]

Chinook. Chinook landing on vertical mountainsides. And it's like, for. They're jumping onto a. They're using a. Like a fence to hop on right. Like a wooden fence or concrete fence. And they were just leveling it right there. And it's. The blade is right next to the fence line or whatever.

[Eli Doubletap]

And just like Chinook pilots, those guys, like, this is the thing, everyone looks at a Chinook and they're like, it's not as cool as an Apache. It's like, it's faster, it's more agile. Like you think it's a school bus with two rotors, but that thing.

[Brandon Herrera]

But they also crash a shitload more, right?

[Unknown]

Well, he was saying too, for every man that jumped on, they would have to fuel it dip for the weight. And so the pilots were so badass, they were accounting for every dude that jumped on it just to keep it stable for every guy to get on.

[Donut Operator]

And again, the rear rotor is one foot away from like a stone wall, dude. He's like, yeah. They're loading up the second bat because he's part of second back and they're hopping on. You're like.

[Brandon Herrera]

But just imagine the confidence of like, yeah. If that hits there, probably everybody in here is dead. We're good.

[Donut Operator]

I know.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like that.

[Donut Operator]

That's it.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's insane, man. Like, that's. Well, like, I mean, you see it sometimes in like the Navy. I don't know if they use the, if it's called the Chinook or something else in the Navy, but like where they put the belly of the helicopter in the water and a boat just drives into the back. You ever seen that shit?

[Unknown]

That's right. They drive the ribbons just like right into the back.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like the dude in the back is standing there in ankle deep water just like flagging them in. In a Chinook that's hovering. Yeah. Dude. It's insane.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And the crew guys inside the helicopter jump to the side ribbon just shoots up into it and they go boop. Off into the distance.

[Donut Operator]

This is wild to me is that mindset of like all that. And we're here, we're lucky enough to do this.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

And then I'm like, man, those dudes are doing that on the daily. And you're just like, fuck.

[Eli Doubletap]

I just like missiles.

[Brandon Herrera]

I. I ain't retarded. I just like rockets.

[Donut Operator]

That shit's wild. So much respect for anyone's that do that because I'm just like, God.

[Eli Doubletap]

And the shit that they're just like content with. It's. It's really interesting is, have you ever. Well, I mean, even, even all you guys, the stress that you're used to is like perspective to what job you've done. And my wife, I love the woman to death, but she does not handle, like, unknown very well.

[Donut Operator]

I got you. I got you.

[Eli Doubletap]

But, like, when something's unknown, she's, like, wigging out and she's like, are you stressed at all? And I was like, I mean, I am. It's just. This is what I do every day. So it's just military the way it is. Like, I never know what. What the fuck is going to happen. I walk into an office, they're like, we need this, this, and this done before you go home. I'm like, cool. All right.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's also why it's cool working with, like, the chill military influencers because they have, like, they are used to that because, like, a lot of the life that we live is, you know, you don't know what you're doing next week. Yeah, there's no way you can know. Like, you just have to kind of go with the flow. That's why I think a lot of you guys are so good at it.

[Eli Doubletap]

That might be it, maybe that we're. We're broken. That's what he said, Eli. That's what he just said.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Like, it's not why. It's not my sad.

[Donut Operator]

Like, I didn't say that. Veterans are broken.

[Eli Doubletap]

He's like, I'm gonna put down all my shirts. Just give me a picture. Brandon says vets are broken.

[Brandon Herrera]

The actual. You guys are good at dealing with the unknown. All right, cnn.

[Donut Operator]

I didn't say that. I didn't say that.

[Brandon Herrera]

I did not say that.

[Donut Operator]

I did not say that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Who's that peckawood down in town who blows the glass? Oh, you treat him like Jerry.

[Unknown]

You treat him like veterans.

[Eli Doubletap]

Here, I got something that'll lift your spirits because I always try and learn about new missiles when I come down here because it's always interesting to see Brandon's eyes get real wide. Like what? Like when Aegis shot that missile out of space last time. And so it's fair to assume that Uncle Sam has put nukes on everything. Literally everything Nick talked about. The shoulder fired one. What's that? The. What the fuck is the name of it?

[Donut Operator]

Oh, God.

[Brandon Herrera]

The Davy Crockett.

[Eli Doubletap]

We've put it in surface to air air missiles like the Nike Hercules, the Nike Spartan, the Nike Zeus, and of course, the Sprint missile.

[Donut Operator]

Pause Cody. You know what David Crockett is?

[Unknown]

I have no idea.

[Donut Operator]

It is. Think of Fallout, the shoulder rocket. The shoulder. They. We made one of those in real life in the 60s.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah. Okay. He did Talk about this. I watched one of those videos. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's not shoulder fired, but like they shot it out.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, it is Jeep ones. Yeah. Oh yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Not shoulder fire.

[Donut Operator]

But it was like they had to.

[Unknown]

Obviously made that like Fallout had to have made that based off of the M28, M29 system.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Like it's fucking hefty, but it's while.

[Donut Operator]

You'Re on, it's while it's a man made nuke launch like that. When you say that statement, I think.

[Brandon Herrera]

The thing about it is that you needed to fire it from the back of a jeep because you're not in the safe distance.

[Donut Operator]

No, no.

[Eli Doubletap]

You need to drive like. So we've done. Let me see, we've done that. We've done surface to air. Don't kill it right now. We've done air to surface. We've done bomb drops, we've done intercontinental ballistic missiles, long range ballistic missiles. But I just learned and I didn't know, which is really surprising because I'm the missile guy. From 1967 until 1985 when it was in use, we had an air to air nuclear rocket which was considered short range air to air. It's called the Genie 2.

[Brandon Herrera]

I did hear about.

[Eli Doubletap]

I. You heard about the genie too? Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I want to say Nick mentioned this. I don't know where I heard of.

[Eli Doubletap]

It's a rocket they strapped to the bottom of a plane. And he's like, there's other planes and you fire a nuke at them and just hightail it out and just Because.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think that's why we did the nuclear testing on whether or not like an explosion would set off another nuke is because that was our way of taking out like if there are planes coming to nuke the country.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

We would send it at them and just kind of nuke the area, take them out of the air.

[Eli Doubletap]

That was the theory with surface to air and yeah. I'd never heard of the genie. Somebody in my. In my stream, I was like hanging out there like, have you heard of the genie too? And I was like, no, let's see what this is. You always tell me look up all sorts of stuff. And I was like, we made an air to air nuclear weapon. What the fuck?

[Brandon Herrera]

Darpa, man. Dude, darpa.

[Eli Doubletap]

Darpa be darpa. It's just a room full of engineers.

[Brandon Herrera]

Skunk works with more cocaine.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah. That's all it is.

[Donut Operator]

It's just do darpa. We were talking with Tama, Mexican space cowboy. And he was talking about a space cowboy, tejano Mexican, whatever, Same thing.

[Eli Doubletap]

Close enough.

[Donut Operator]

Brown space cowboy, he for the prosthetics, because he has a full prosthetic on his arm. He talked about DARPA is the first one to implement for all the special forces guys to keep them in combat. They're like, no, you don't have to get out here. We'll build you limbs that make you faster, stronger or whatever.

[Eli Doubletap]

Dude, that's insane. They're on fort sill. The AIT guys who are going through 13 Bravo, which is the cannon crew member, they're the ones who throw eat the 90 pound rounds they're working. They have a couple of models. I don't know if they're fully functioning. They're out there with exoskeletons that help them fucking lift 95 pound rounds and eat them all day. Which, I mean, don't get me wrong, there's going to be some vets who are like, that's going to make them weak. And I'm like, but it could make them faster. Yes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like Edge of Tomorrow. Shit.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah. They got it strange, man. We are in the future. Like, sorry.

[Brandon Herrera]

They are finally caring about their backs.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, finally.

[Eli Doubletap]

Dude.

[Donut Operator]

Not service related.

[Eli Doubletap]

You know the big rucksack we get like the big one, the large rug.

[Donut Operator]

Yep. Oh, great. The big green or the big backpack?

[Eli Doubletap]

The big backpack one.

[Donut Operator]

Okay.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah. So the ruck that we get. I went to go to CIF because when I was gonna go to another school, I had to draw gear and I was like, hey, I need a large ruck. And they're like, we don't issue those no more because it's bad for people's back. I'm like, took you 15 fucking years. Yeah, they don't issue the large ruck anymore because it's too bad on your back. The after the Alice pack, it was.

[Donut Operator]

Oh yeah, it was, right? Alice was like still metal frame. And then it went to the plastic.

[Eli Doubletap]

Plastic frame, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

I forget what the frames called. But wait, they don't.

[Eli Doubletap]

They don't issue them anymore because they're bad for your back.

[Donut Operator]

What do you carry now?

[Eli Doubletap]

They have a medium ruck, which is awesome. Money. Honestly, I love the damn thing. It's good for like an ag bag. It's good for like a radio bag. It's good for everything, man.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like Mystery Ranch, that shit.

[Eli Doubletap]

Mystery Ranch, I'm not familiar you know Mystery Ranch.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, that shit's like kind of higher end, but it's fucking nice.

[Unknown]

Don't like the tries open.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

All right.

[Donut Operator]

Well, yes, Part of theirs I'm So pissed right now. Too much dick. The Owls pack sucked.

[Brandon Herrera]

Do Hawk walking.

[Eli Doubletap]

I could remember.

[Brandon Herrera]

Fuck it. I went to school, had to carry books in.

[Donut Operator]

Your dad's like, I ain't buying you a backpack. I can remember 15 bucks at the surplus. This carries more books than one of those shitty Spider man backpacks.

[Eli Doubletap]

Dude, I can remember being in Afghanistan and you put the bag there, the ruck on the ground. You lay in it, buckle yourself in, and three of your buddies help stand you up because it's so heavy. Like, I can remember that.

[Unknown]

All right, we. We need to buy some of those new packs that I really want to just fuck around with them.

[Eli Doubletap]

The medium rocks, Let me see if I can find a picture.

[Donut Operator]

I've never heard.

[Eli Doubletap]

We got those Originally we got those medium rocks in Afghanistan, and now they're standard issue.

[Donut Operator]

We just had giant ones that you'd have to pack.

[Unknown]

Dude, I bet it's something that's in dark off right now.

[Brandon Herrera]

Whatever.

[Unknown]

He's gonna show us 100%.

[Eli Doubletap]

It's super comfortable, medium ruck.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, that looks way better. Oh, like even how it's designed on the back.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Cody. God.

[Eli Doubletap]

It's partitioned and like, dude, it's money, man. Those are.

[Donut Operator]

And that can carry 35 pounds. So your EIB would just feel way more comfortable beating this.

[Eli Doubletap]

These things, I mean, they got waste packed or the like. Dude, they're. They're really good. We use them. Those were our AG bags in Afghanistan because they issued them. And then when we got back from Afghanistan, like, we're taking those back. And then we had the large rucks, and now everyone's on the medium ruck. So now you just get an assault pack and the medium ruck. You don't get the large ruck anymore.

[Donut Operator]

But you still have to deal with the military at the end of the day. Still military. You're like, sweet. Look, it sucks. Sucks less, but it still sucks. Yeah. And that part hasn't changed. I see my buddies, they'll FaceTime me. Like, I talked to sergeant Major the other week, and then I've talked to first. My friends are first starting now. And like sergeant majors, which is wild to have. When I was in, everyone was like privates and specialists. And now their first.

[Eli Doubletap]

If you just don't get caught long enough, you're fine. Yeah, that's really all it is.

[Donut Operator]

And my buddies are like, out in Korea, like, shout out to Hollywood. He called me on the field in Korea, and he is as old as me. I was like, fuck that, dude. Dude, it's you're you're 39, you still haven't wake up at 5am 6am get the privates out, like march with them and you're out. And you're out in the field.

[Eli Doubletap]

I have to get up at 5:30 in the morning to make sure other grown men dress the same as me.

[Donut Operator]

That's what I meant. My life ain't bad. That's how I always self reflect on that. I was like, you know what? Life ain't too shy.

[Eli Doubletap]

I straight up told my wife after I get out, I'm like, I will never watch another sunrise ever again. And she's like, why not? I was like, because I've watched it every day for 15 years.

[Donut Operator]

Tranquil thing. It's not. They're just like hate that thing. Just warm up. Oh, now it's got thermal version is gonna happen. It's gonna get cold.

[Eli Doubletap]

As for like an hour standing out there like trying to grade a PT test where the ink in my pen is freezing. I'm just like this because like our PT uniform is made out of grocery bag or some bullshit. It doesn't stop anything. By the way. Everyone in the army is like we need new barracks. The mold is getting bad. And SAR major, the Army's like new PT is coming 20, 25.

[Donut Operator]

So we spent 2 million. $2 billion.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was, I love the military mindset on some of this shit, especially when it comes to military spending because it's like I'm all for cutting spending where it makes sense, but it's like, oh yeah, I want to make your life better. Here's a 20 cent pen. By the way, later today you're going to be firing a $175,000 rocket.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yep. You want to. Did you hear about.

[Brandon Herrera]

We don't have, we don't have enough money to fix your knee. Here's a Javelin missile to fire for training.

[Eli Doubletap]

It's like did you guys hear about Boeing? Someone audited. Boeing's been in the news a lot. I am not.

[Donut Operator]

They just got. Yeah, he's cuts back your heads down.

[Eli Doubletap]

They just. Somebody audited the US government, which they always do, and found out that the U.S. government paid Boeing an 8,000% markup on soap dispensers for aircraft. Like the little like you push with your hand. 8,000% increase on the price. Which makes total sense because that's kind of like the standard markup for all military shit we have in our. In my system we have a computer mouse like a Logitech. Computer mouse costs like $7 at Staples. How much do you pay for $748?

[Brandon Herrera]

That's why I'm excited for what Elon was talking about. The Department of Government Efficiency.

[Donut Operator]

Oh.

[Brandon Herrera]

So Doge. But like, little shit like that where it's like. That's weird because American Airlines, who flies God knows how many flights every day.

[Eli Doubletap]

Mm.

[Brandon Herrera]

Figured soft soap is fine.

[Eli Doubletap]

Works just fine. It's.

[Unknown]

What's the. There's a phrase for that. For, like, they've had it for, like, 100 years of military. It's like the $500 hammer or something like that.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, I don't know the phrase for it, but I've heard that a lot. Like, you spend like, a thousand dollars on a hammer. And it's because they. They filter all that supposedly to.

[Donut Operator]

It's like a pen. Whatever we spent, like, for NASA. It's like we spent millions of dollars to create a pen that writes and space where we could have just got.

[Brandon Herrera]

A pencil or, you know, an iPad nowadays. But my tism.

[Eli Doubletap]

My TISM took over on that one. There's actually a logical reason for that. I learned this.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, did you know that?

[Donut Operator]

Please tell me of pencil versus.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yes. A pencil is made of graphite and lead.

[Donut Operator]

Correct.

[Eli Doubletap]

Graphite and lead, as you're writing with it flakes off.

[Donut Operator]

Oh.

[Eli Doubletap]

In a zero G environment. It's flammable and conductive. Very, very dangerous.

[Brandon Herrera]

Didn't. So that's cool.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, I learned.

[Brandon Herrera]

What about a highlighter?

[Eli Doubletap]

I think we're fucked.

[Donut Operator]

I was like, kill him. He's asking questions he shouldn't be.

[Eli Doubletap]

I was just.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was assassinated by Boeing because I asked about a Sharpie. Dude.

[Unknown]

I know Elon's gonna come up with something like, you know, a pin in space travel. He's gonna call it the pin 15.

[Eli Doubletap]

Or some shit like that.

[Donut Operator]

Of course.

[Eli Doubletap]

Of course. I guess. Wasn't it Elon who, like, he wanted to name. He had the series S, the series E and then the X, but he couldn't do E because some. I think Mercedes had the series.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think it was 4e class, probably.

[Eli Doubletap]

Class.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Because. Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

So that's why it's the series three now. So S3X. So, yeah. Because he's a grown manchild. I love it.

[Brandon Herrera]

S3XY.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, I forgot about the Y. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

So he's got the model S E, X, Y. So sexy.

[Eli Doubletap]

I got to use the little air defenders room. I'll be right back.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, I love it. We got like, dude, this is my happiest month right now. Because it's like, all the homies are coming in we got either before or after. We're going to have Clint Romesha on which medal of honor recipient our homie. Like, we're so fucking.

[Brandon Herrera]

I've never met Clint in person.

[Donut Operator]

I know, dude. That's what I'm so excited. We were like, are you catching up today? And he's just so stoked to be on this month. He's like, fuck yeah. And he's just excited to hang out with everyone.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's awesome.

[Donut Operator]

I'm not. I always forget how much he hates until we hop on a phone. I'm like, this is a dude that he's allowed to feel however he wants towards things.

[Brandon Herrera]

That shirt, it's like, I'm anti government, but I work for the government. Like, that whole thing. I've you seen the dudes like that are hopping out of Bradley's with that T shirt. Yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Like, yeah, it's our boy, right, dude?

[Unknown]

Something I've always want to see that, like I read in books back in the day is like the only person that a president has to salute is a medal of honor recipient. It's like, bring. I would love to see Clint in the same room with like Trump or someone like that.

[Donut Operator]

Mm.

[Unknown]

Mm.

[Donut Operator]

Like my whole. He's such a just good dude. Just does. He loves manual labor. He's up in North Dakota and it is public speaking and then working with some nonprofits for ones that make a difference. So, like, just talking about Clint Row.

[Eli Doubletap]

I would love to meet that guy. I like, I'm sure he doesn't want to talk about everything I have, but I just. He seems like a really cool dude. Him and Marcus Luttrell.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. Oh, dude. All those guys are. You've met Marcus, right?

[Brandon Herrera]

I met Morgan. I don't know if I've. I don't think I've ever met Marcus in person.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. Oh, well, no, we did at the one.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, that's right.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

When Charlotte. That's right.

[Donut Operator]

I was like, wait. I was like, oh, fuck. Yeah. He was up there talking during that event and we were just going through everything. We went out to some, like.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, he was actually. He was really. He was a really kind dude. He likes to go over speaking time, but he was. But he's just really motivating. Like a really, like down to earth dude.

[Eli Doubletap]

He like. I've seen some of his speeches and stuff and he's like very direct, forward, like motivating type guy. Like, you know what's interesting is. And I don't know how true it is secondhand story. So My squad leader, Staff Sergeant Casey Grukowiak, he passed away in Afghanistan. But before he passed away, we were sitting there in spin kolache. It was the first time I ever had rounds whiz over top of my head. It was a. It was an American.50 Cal, believe it or not. Smart ass Taliban got in between us and the vehicles on the road, shot at the vehicles and then ran away. And so they were shooting at us on the far side. How'd that happen? Dude, it sucks.

[Donut Operator]

Dude. This sounds really.

[Eli Doubletap]

I. That was the first time I ever heard hisses and I. I hit the dirt and Casey, he was laughing at me. He's like. He's like long. Those weren't even near you, man.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, they're not.

[Eli Doubletap]

I don't care, bro.

[Donut Operator]

Brandon's like, what the.

[Brandon Herrera]

But I've experienced it in a much less stressful environment, so. But I know what it sounds like. I don't know what it feels like.

[Eli Doubletap]

But Sergeant G was part. So he was Ranger qualified. He was a former Ranger instructor as part of one of the Ranger bats. The dude, like, I swear he had to pay doctors to be able to deploy with us because his back looked like a road map of la. Like his spine was. Dude, it was just destroyed.

[Donut Operator]

But he was okay, dog.

[Eli Doubletap]

When he was a young private, apparently he was in the Ranger bat that went to go find Marcus and all those other guys. Oh, and he was the platoon that actually found. He was telling me about. It was like some waterfall somewhere in Afghanistan. There was like a cave. They got some Afghan dude out of there and they found a bunch of like SEAL gear. And that's where they actually found. Lieutenant Murphy was in there. That's what he told me. I don't know how true it is, but I was like. Because he was telling me when he got back, there's a. There's a book called a SEAL Seal of Honor. Or it's. It's the one about Lieutenant Murphy, not Marcus. And he's like, dude, I was going through a bookstore and like years later and I saw that lieutenant looking back at me from the bookshelf thing. He's like, weirded me out, man. He's like, I had to buy the book. And he's. I read through it. I read it too. It's. It's okay as a book. Like, it's. It goes over a lot of, like what the family experience with. With Murphy's family before. It really talks about what he experienced. So, yeah, I thought that was. That was wild. But yeah, he was he was killed in Afghanistan. Monday, August 30, 2010 oh, and then.

[Donut Operator]

They found all his, like, his gear.

[Eli Doubletap]

And I guess they found his body. I don't know if they found like the other three guys in the team's body or just his. He didn't really elaborate on that. But yeah, he was part of the Ranger bat that went and found him.

[Donut Operator]

That's wild because that was like that just a. Yeah, just shit saying which. And that's what happens a lot of the times. You either have helicopter go down or mission and how they push towards an objective, getting rushed and the guys fighting back. Or in Marcus's case, like all that he went through, like on his own and then being taken care of.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

However that story plays out.

[Eli Doubletap]

And you're just like, he said that while they were there trying to find those guys, like, because they had like a patrol base set up and they would go out in different directions and try and find them like every day. And that was the only safe place for like Chinooks and shit to get like resupply into them ammo and everything. He goes, we got so used to, like, as the sun would go down, the fog would roll in, the Taliban would hit us. He goes, we got so used to it. We had just pre plots. We're like, pre plot alpha 00100200354 effect. And just. Yeah, he's like, it got just so common, the Taliban pushing us when the sun went down and the fog rolled in.

[Donut Operator]

That's what you do when you read about, like, even what Clint went through and that amazing idea for a Ford operating base, like in the.

[Brandon Herrera]

In the valley.

[Donut Operator]

In the valley, like surrounded by all sides of this hill.

[Brandon Herrera]

So you're just like, I Ambush Site 1.

[Eli Doubletap]

I just like when I. When I read that and when I watched the movie, which I think they did a great job on the movie. I don't know how Clint feels about it.

[Donut Operator]

I think for fire on yourself like.

[Eli Doubletap]

That, that man, that's a strictly American mentality. Like, you look at the war in Ukraine and everywhere else, like, no one is like, okay, we're being overran. Let's attack. Like, that is a strictly American thing. Like, all right, we're being overran. Give me two guys. We're gonna go kill everybody. Let's do this. And Clint fucking did that. Like that. Who is it?

[Brandon Herrera]

It was a chesty puller. We're surrounded. They won't get away now.

[Donut Operator]

Still, it's like, even on. What's it? We are soldiers where they landed in that, it's like, what's all the guys like Russian broke broken arrow. Like broken arrow. And then they fight back because now they're like on equal fighting troops. You're like, y'all are psychopaths. A good kind of psychopath.

[Brandon Herrera]

Have you ever studied on yourself?

[Eli Doubletap]

Anyone ever studied Operation Anaconda?

[Brandon Herrera]

No.

[Eli Doubletap]

So Operation Anaconda was the first major engagement between U.S. forces and the Taliban in Afghanistan. This was after of course, the. The 12 strong.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, 12 strong. All wild.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah. They figured out that like a bunch of Al Qaeda and Taliban were in the Shot river valley and they were. That leads directly into Pakistan. So their goal was, it was like a hammer and anvil tactic is the Afghan army was supposed to cut them off from one direction and the Americans were supposed to push into them and just kill everybody so they couldn't escape. They thought there was like 200 Taliban in the valley. Turns out there was like a thousand. And they had like artillery and mortars. They had a lot of. So the 10th Mountain lands in and just starts getting hit, like from all directions. The Afghans being the Afghans abandoned the mission because they're cowards. Sorry, I'm just gonna call speed a spade. And the like. It's really weird you see any other military in history experience something like that. They're like, we need to evac. We need to get the fuck out of here now. And the 10th mountain was like, we're digging in and we're gonna kill them. They dropped so much ordinance, the topography of the Shyot river valley changed like 200 missions a day for 17 days straight.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was in one of the documentaries, wasn't it? I believe.

[Eli Doubletap]

I don't know if Operation Anaconda was in one.

[Donut Operator]

I don't remember just updating a topography map. Wow. Those don't go as high. There's also new craters everywhere. Yeah, you're dropping 500 pound JDAMs just.

[Eli Doubletap]

One after the other. They. Apparently they were carpet bombing with B52s as well. Like, holy shit. They were getting ordinance like they were putting in work. That's like the epitome of target rich environment. That's what that is like. Shoot in all directions good. Just I guess, wild.

[Brandon Herrera]

So how'd that end up playing out?

[Eli Doubletap]

The. Eventually they gained fire superiority and they started bounding up and the Afghans came back and some of the Al Qaeda abandoned like they left, but most of the valley was completely wiped the out. Like all the caves were closed. Like they had nothing left. They. They wiped out a ton of Taliban.

[Donut Operator]

Bomb this them up.

[Unknown]

All right. How much time did you spend in Afghanistan?

[Eli Doubletap]

I was there 2010 and 2011. So from June, July 2010 to June 2011, I did 11 months.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Donut Operator]

That's when Iraq Afghanistan was more popping up because Iraq war has been on the decline. And then was it 20, like 14? I think ISIS like start 12 to maybe 14.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, it was. I was part of that big push that President Obama wanted to do to like finish the war in Afghanistan. So they just like, there was nowhere for us to stay. We just showed up and they're like, we're going to put a cop there. So we're like living in a school for like a week while the CBS are putting together a cop for us. Yeah, we did that a lot. I lived in an Afghan Dude's house for seven months. Yeah, the videos on YouTube, you can look up Afghan cribs. And I made a video. It's on YouTube.

[Donut Operator]

Welcome to my crib right here. This is where 30 guys sleep. We all here.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is my sugar daddy Muhammad dude.

[Eli Doubletap]

I love in the video, like, I'm walking through like pointing different stuff out and you see like, like a Bunsen burner on top of a propane tank. And literally four inches away is a bandolier of 40 millimeter high explosive grenades. Like just four inches to the right. And I'm like, yeah, well this is what it is right here.

[Donut Operator]

We got a top kitchen grenades right behind me and his veterans. Or it's soldiers in war doing that video.

[Eli Doubletap]

That was a good time, man. That was home for a while, man. Like, we'd be sitting there and because we had no running water, no electricity, our bathroom was a hole in the ground. But like every three or four months for like an hour and a half, we would get electricity. Like, we'd all be just chilling out, playing cards with like, you know, a Bunsen burner or something. And all of a sudden there was a light in the compound that would come on and we'd be like. And just everyone scrambles to the chargers to like charge your, your cameras and your laptops and just try and charge everything.

[Donut Operator]

It's like, God, I don't miss it at all, period. Ever. I'm glad that face over. Especially my age. I'm like, you know what?

[Eli Doubletap]

I tell it's interesting because I did that, I did that before I came over to ADA and a lot of my ADA soldiers, they're like, you know, I wish I had those same experiences as you. And I like the way I look at it. Is I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world. But I also don't wish about my worst enemy like it was. You know, experiences may vary depending on where you are in the world at what time of the, you know, history.

[Donut Operator]

But, yeah, you're thankful for.

[Brandon Herrera]

You can learn from it without wanting to relive it.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Somebody's like, you want to go back to Afghanistan? Nope. Like, it's. It sucks, though, because, like, even for you as an Iraq War vet, you see, like, World War II vets and Vietnam vets and they, like, take them back and they, you know, hey, we had an op set up there, and they're like, pointing shit out, and we'll never be able to do that. Yeah, that'll never happen.

[Brandon Herrera]

For one, they landed in a first world country. You. There's a Starbucks on the corner of Normandy.

[Donut Operator]

Now, like, dude, I will say what is wild? There's that. I forget the guy's name. He goes around and eat food. He has, like, the iron stomach. He goes to, like, even India. He ate everything that is offered to him on the street. Foods. He will eat it. Really cool YouTube channel. But he's like, he gets deathly ill sometimes. He voted Iraq. And then watching his Iraq video because he went as of like a year ago to visit Iraq and then interact with the people and eat the food. And he put them as, like, some of the kindest people he's ever met. And then you see them, like, offering the shirt off the back because you did have Iraqis that would take care of you when you showed up to their property. They, like, offer you tea and everything. And you're on edge because you're like, I don't know if he's playing what side he's playing, like, blah, blah, blah.

[Brandon Herrera]

But is he luring me in versus is he being nice?

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

And. And dude, some of those dudes that were like, the kindest people, you'd be like, they're like, no neighborhood is good, mister, mister, it is all good. And you look. Look outside and there's like 18 craters. We have a definition, a different definition of good, but I'm gonna listen to you. But they offer you chai out. Like, the ones that did drink.

[Brandon Herrera]

The story that Griff told the other day where he's just like the. The guy he was in with that ran the. The bed and breakfast, the coffee shop or whatever, he's like, sir, you might want to stay for your coffee for an extra hour or so. And then he heard an IED go off right outside.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's like, oh, you're good.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Now it's like, you're good, Mr. Grit Flink. And that's the thing. We're going back there. It's watching that dude go back there. He's like, man, these people are amazing. Get to eat the food versus when we were there. It's just like, like, ah, the fear of walking on that street. If you just dropped me off, I was like, like, instant spike on every pile of trash.

[Eli Doubletap]

Makes you have a heart attack.

[Brandon Herrera]

You sound like a former Detroit police officer talking. Talking about going back for the pizza.

[Eli Doubletap]

Is a cop in Detroit.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is very familiar.

[Eli Doubletap]

He's only had to get administrative leave once when he fired his weapon. Really? Yeah. I don't even know the circumstances of what exactly happened, but he, like, called my mom, was like, yeah, I got into a shootout. They got me on administrative leave for a couple of days until they figure out what the hell's going on. I guess. I guess every time an officer shoots in that department, like, IA has to. I don't know. Maybe you would know. Like, similar to every police force that they have to investigate.

[Unknown]

It depends on the department, the agency and everything, man. Like, sometimes you have a civilian oversight board that can decide whether you're shooting is good or not, which is weird because they've never been cops before.

[Brandon Herrera]

So people have no experience. Get to decide if you did the right thing.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's dope.

[Unknown]

That's another reason Chicago has gone downhill is because they have a civilian oversight board.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's insane.

[Unknown]

That's why cops in Chicago just, like, they just fucking stay out of it now.

[Donut Operator]

They stop policing because they stop policing, dude. It's like, I mean, Cody has a good. I mean, you're gonna know that best. But the idea of telling somebody, telling your job, it's no different than the rules of engagement overseas. When it's like, I've had weapons pointing at me and you're like, oh, they're not shooting, so I'm fine.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

And my. I had to, like, program that in my mind, they're allowed to do this.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's hospitalitarian, not hostile act.

[Donut Operator]

Until they shoot, I cannot react or anything.

[Brandon Herrera]

I love that they made that such a big point of, like, Blackhawk down, where it's like, where they talked about how the rules. It wasn't an action movie. They made the point to say how the rules of engagement were. And, like, oh, well, the Clinton administration and their infinite wisdom has decided not to give us, you know, air support. Not to give us Anything for this mission. So good luck boys.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, and then it's like, oh, they're shooting at us. No, it's still whiz. Okay, now they're shooting at us because that sound different.

[Brandon Herrera]

There is a 800 skinnies with aks coming at us in the middle of the street.

[Donut Operator]

Not great think this or not, but they're not because they weren't getting fired at. You cannot fire back. I've been in many situations and you're just like, ah, I still got emotional stress levels.

[Eli Doubletap]

I still got emotional when I see Randolton or Red Randall and Sugar. Was it Sugar Gordon and or. No, Randall Sugar and the Delta boys. Yeah, the Delta guys. And that. That whole like last stand they had.

[Donut Operator]

Like man two landing and be like. They're like, you know, that's the means there's no support coming. It's like yep, we're good. And then they're still like nope, drop us off and like all right. We need you to confirm over radio that you understand what you're placing yourself into. We understand both of them but I.

[Eli Doubletap]

Will say their KDR is pretty. They ran out of ammo before they went down. So yeah, their kill death ratio is.

[Donut Operator]

And they did save one guy. Yeah, that's what's crazy. They saved one individual from that.

[Eli Doubletap]

They ended up. Yeah, they ended up finding. Was it Michael Durant was the name of the pilot. They ended up finding him. He had a broken back and some.

[Donut Operator]

Other got him set up MP5 if that's how that played out. And then. Or that's how. And Michael talks about it. It's like M. MP5 and Protect ran out and then they just took him hostage.

[Brandon Herrera]

One of my friends growing up, his dad was one of the pilots during that operation. That's man, he had some stories.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah dude, it's wild. Like that mini bird would just what I think it was like 2000 or 10000 dead. Oh, we lost 20. We lost 20 or 22 soldier American soldiers.

[Brandon Herrera]

Let's consult the nightmare.

[Donut Operator]

But I mean that's also like consultant 18 or 22.

[Eli Doubletap]

But that's also like 75th. 75th is like used to just like you put them. You hand them a shit sandwich and they're going to make it into a three course meal. Like 75th just. That's what they're built for. Like Point du Hawk is a perfect example of this.

[Donut Operator]

Surgical hammer is what they're called. As we say it's like surgical hammers.

[Brandon Herrera]

So Battle of Mogadishu 1993. American casualties and losses, 18 killed, 84 wounded. Okay, enemy side, 200 killed, 700 wounded per Red Cross, 315 killed, including 133 SNA troops. Eight hundred and twelve wounded per SNA. Other estimates, 300 to 700 killed.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's a pretty good kill death ratio, I'm telling you. That's 75th. Is there to. There to put in work. They're not there to fucking play. There was when I came to Fort Carson. I can't remember the guy's name. If you guys remember his name, please let me know. It wasn't actually featured in the movie. He went. He came down to Fort Carson and, like, spoke to a bunch of us in, like, an auditorium. Apparently he was in Mogadishu and got separated from his unit and, like, ran out of ammo and was, like, going building to building, trying to get back to his guys, and apparently offed, like, five or seven dudes with an E tool. Like, oh, fuck. Yeah. I don't know who this guy was, but it wasn't in the movie. And this guy was like, yeah, that's. That's just what happened. He's like, I ran black on ammo, pulled out the E tool, and I just started chopping my way back to my fucking guys.

[Unknown]

Chopped my way back. That's such a cool thing, dude.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's just such a crazy thing to say. Off the cuff.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Just the action to be like, black on ammo. Park of the E tool unfolds like, bitch. So he's just like, got it. And the next guy's like, hello. Just cracking.

[Brandon Herrera]

I love that mindset of, like, obviously next step.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's. I. I don't know. Like, I've never gotten formal, like, E Tool weapons training, but does the 75th get E tool weapons training? Like, I've, like, I've. With bayonets and basic training and. But, like, no one's ever been like, all right, you're gonna thwap this right in their coconut and kick him in the nuts. Like, I have no idea.

[Unknown]

That's when your caveman brain kicks in. You're like, big object.

[Donut Operator]

What makes grass grow? Blood, blood, blood, girl. Sorry. You have to do those dumb, sad.

[Brandon Herrera]

Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great. Grandfather knew how to do this, so it's in the DNA.

[Donut Operator]

Dude. That's like. What was my biggest fear is, like, getting lost from your element and being by yourself at that time.

[Eli Doubletap]

That would terrify the fuck out of me. Like, I can't imagine that.

[Donut Operator]

I imagine you're just like, oh, anyone around me wants to kill me now. Like, you have no idea. And you had to make it back to your unit in the midst of gunfire and war. And you have a tool that's terrifying.

[Brandon Herrera]

But it's also probably the exact amount of adrenaline you need to cleave five people with an E tool.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, that's not even understanding your own strength. I guarantee that first thing, he's like, swing full force. Like, the heads.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like choppers took a chunk of the skull off.

[Brandon Herrera]

Also, they're like £95, but.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Donut Operator]

It's four died by heart attacks.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, imagine like, you go to your house and there's just like hacked up dead bodies, and there's some. Just blood covered American with a shovel. Just like, all right, I'm a leaf. Open the door.

[Donut Operator]

Close the door.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yep. See you later.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is your house now.

[Donut Operator]

You walk in and then walk out. Thank God I didn't drop in.

[Brandon Herrera]

Were none of those open?

[Donut Operator]

No, these weren't.

[Brandon Herrera]

Nice.

[Donut Operator]

And the two that. They're empty. They're already.

[Brandon Herrera]

Foul averted.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, Brandon, you ran into an issue today.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ooh, would you talk about that? Which part?

[Donut Operator]

Your shop flooding.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, God, yeah. Oh, yeah, I wasn't gonna talk about it, but I can like it, you know, really minor issue considering what we talked about today on the podcast. Me? But yeah, no, the. The shop got flooded.

[Donut Operator]

I mean, it's awesome. Not minor.

[Brandon Herrera]

Our. Our. Yeah, we came back over the weekend, like, our AC had a bunch of issues, and we just came into floor soup as it melted the. All the ceiling tiles, and it just spilled out all over the goddamn floor. So. Been dealing with that.

[Eli Doubletap]

Is it. Was it just like one leak or do you even know? Or was it like, the whole roof is fucked?

[Brandon Herrera]

It's the rocker switch or whatever is like the shutoff switch for the drip pan that turns off the AC unit.

[Eli Doubletap]

Okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

If it's flooding.

[Unknown]

But the guns are okay, right?

[Brandon Herrera]

The guns are okay. Don't give me. Yeah. Yes, the guns are up. The guns are fine.

[Eli Doubletap]

I would like to see the baby.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, everything's good. But, yeah, no, we. We had floor soup when we walked in, and. Yeah, so we had attack come out, and unfortunately. I hope he's okay. It seems like he's okay. He fell off the ladder.

[Eli Doubletap]

I'm sorry.

[Unknown]

Wait, but are the guns okay?

[Brandon Herrera]

The guns in the tech are okay. Yeah, he apparently had the guns. He had to get taken away by ems.

[Eli Doubletap]

He was bad.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, he fell. Fell.

[Donut Operator]

How far did he fall?

[Brandon Herrera]

That's Like a. I don't think he wasn't on the roof or anything. He was just, like, up in the ceiling. So it's like, thank fuck he didn't fall on, like, asphalt or anything. But yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Had just slip or.

[Brandon Herrera]

Don't know. I just get that phone call. I'm like, hello? I have like, eight things going wrong in one particular day, and then I just get that call. I'm like, great. It's. Yeah, okay.

[Eli Doubletap]

He was like a licensed, you know, guy, right, who has insurance.

[Brandon Herrera]

Luckily, I don't own his AC company and I don't own the building I rent, so I'm good.

[Eli Doubletap]

All right.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, that's what I need. You signed this her? It just says I don't own this.

[Brandon Herrera]

But, like, it's still like. It sucks, but it's like, ah, well.

[Donut Operator]

God dang.

[Eli Doubletap]

Should have them. On the next episode.

[Brandon Herrera]

The joys of people are like, oh, well. Wow, you look so much older than. Than how. How old you really are? I'm like, yeah. The joys of business ownership, stress. Awesome.

[Donut Operator]

Thank you for that. Why you look so much older than your age. I don't know how to take that. I don't appreciate it, though.

[Eli Doubletap]

I just got my first gray pube, so we're there.

[Brandon Herrera]

Years ago for me picking them out of the beard.

[Donut Operator]

My gray bush.

[Eli Doubletap]

I was kind of hoping the baldness.

[Donut Operator]

Would work its way down, but my white pubes.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's called dht, brother.

[Eli Doubletap]

Sorry. You're stuck with that for life. Oh, damn.

[Donut Operator]

How wise are you?

[Unknown]

Oh, you kill a Balrog, now you have white pubes.

[Donut Operator]

Only my pubes turned white.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, that won't be a problem with manscaped. That Chase should put in right now.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, we don't have that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, fuck me.

[Unknown]

I always.

[Brandon Herrera]

I have tried to underhand.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, or just start using shouting out codes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I've tried underhanding so many ads odds, and they never work out. Like, never once.

[Donut Operator]

Even better. Yeah, what are the betting odds on that? Brought to you by Underdog, which we also don't have.

[Brandon Herrera]

Maybe.

[Donut Operator]

Just having fun. We're just guessing.

[Unknown]

Let me tell you about this one betting website that used to code Donut at it.

[Eli Doubletap]

I'm not cool enough to have promo codes yet. We're. We're getting there. You will be as long as you come and subscribe to Habitual Line crosser.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes, come and then subscribe.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yes, come and then subscribe.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, you guys, you got to hang out with Posty. Do you want me to talk about that? We don't have To.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, you guys have on this fucking podcast, man?

[Unknown]

Well, yeah, not the other thing.

[Donut Operator]

No, that's why just the Postie night. You guys got to hang out with Mr. Posty.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was a really fun time. He just hit you up one day, I think, on Instagram.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah. Post hit me up and he's like, hey, dude, been watching you and Brandon's content for a while. Do you guys want to come hang out in Austin? Am I gonna say no to that?

[Brandon Herrera]

We would just randomly start talking to him at like 3 o'clock in the morning. You'd hit me up. You're like, hey, dude, postie wants to FaceTime. Like, I'm up, dude.

[Donut Operator]

That's so cool.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like, this is the thing. I'm not. I'm not a huge fan of rap music in general. You know, teach their own. But, like, I see the way he interacts with, like, fans and everybody else, and he seems like just a genuine human dude.

[Unknown]

He is a sweetheart.

[Donut Operator]

The guy, the. The famous person that doesn't realize is he's famous.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's awesome.

[Donut Operator]

Best way to describe he's like, I'm famous. What? Thank you.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think he's. He realizes that he just doesn't care.

[Donut Operator]

No, he's just so thankful for just on stage. It's like the watching that show and then how he presents himself to his audience, how much he truly cares. It's mind blowing like that for the live show that motivated me for our own show, because I'm like, that is a performer. And that is. That's the level that we should be at. That is how you thank your audience. That's how you present yourself to your audience is so awesome.

[Unknown]

In between every single song, he would stop and be like, I love you guys so much. I love everyone that's here and I appreciate everything you guys are doing for me, like, between every single.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much. Like, that was everything. Like, you. And it wasn't just like, like, thank you guys. Appreciate it. It was like, you could tell, like, he was like a couple times, he's almost like choking up talking about it. It's like he's just hearing this crowd response. He's like, thank you so much.

[Eli Doubletap]

Awesome. And he's also a big gun guy, so I mean, that's right up yalls out.

[Brandon Herrera]

He is an autistic gun.

[Eli Doubletap]

Really?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, dude, he is a gun guy.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like, study level. Like, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

He was naming calibers I'd never heard of.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's awesome.

[Brandon Herrera]

Dead serious.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I peace out that conversation because he's talking to Brandon, and I'm like, I. I have no idea what he's talking about. And Brandon was trying to keep up with him. Like, he's. He.

[Brandon Herrera]

We were also hammered.

[Eli Doubletap]

Wait, can I tell him about.

[Donut Operator]

Very helpful.

[Brandon Herrera]

But no, straight up, like. Like the guy. One of the first conversations we had, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, you like gun. Here you go. And he shows me the picture of his op.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like.

[Brandon Herrera]

What the. I'm like, oh, you're. You're in this to win this. Like, you're actually a gun guy. But no, he's just super rad, super chill. Yeah. Everything you think you know on that degree.

[Eli Doubletap]

Like, yeah, dude, that guy, like, he. You know what's funny is I think I was like, two podcasts ago, I think it was you asking, like, who would you like to see on this podcast? I think he was just asking the cameras. And I was like, man, Post Malone. Like, that dude would be awesome. Like, he just. He seems like he just wants to hang out, like, drink and just be chill with people.

[Unknown]

Yeah, we.

[Brandon Herrera]

We hung out until like, I think seven in the morning.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

We got back to the hotel.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it was a good time, man. It was. It was. It was super chill environment. Like, we went to the VIP thing. There was like 30 people there, and security came around a couple, like two in the morning, three in the morning. They're like, hey, everyone, you got to leave now. You gotta leave now. Post. He's like, no, Brandon and Cody are staying. And so we sat around with like maybe eight or nine people in a circle with their.

[Brandon Herrera]

Us and the girls, his close friends, stuff like that.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And. And they, like, they threw on the dj. There was from, like, country music, rock and posted, just singing all the, like, all this early 90s country music. We got to hear his voice sing that country music. We're like, this is another show. This is awesome.

[Brandon Herrera]

We were just all like. It was like an invisible campfire, dude.

[Unknown]

We were just geeking out the whole time.

[Brandon Herrera]

On a Bluetooth speaker. We were just boys hanging out. Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, yeah, you were there too.

[Unknown]

You got groped by him.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, he me.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Eli Doubletap]

I'm so jealous. Why don't we get that? More of Post Malone grown men and less of Harvey Weinstein.

[Donut Operator]

Bring what we want.

[Eli Doubletap]

You hear me, Post?

[Unknown]

Great.

[Eli Doubletap]

Less.

[Brandon Herrera]

Less Diddy parties, more Posty parties.

[Unknown]

It was rad, man.

[Eli Doubletap]

I'm so jealous. But I'm so happy for you guys at the same time. That's awesome.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's just good to actually know, like, behind the scenes. He's the same guy.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's.

[Brandon Herrera]

Dude, that's.

[Unknown]

That's for sure 100 I did, dude.

[Donut Operator]

I will say I love that musicians that are talented at that level because that's what War Snap does the same thing. They just sing. And it's beautiful to hear. You're like, I'm getting a private show with these, these pipes right here. And it is absolutely just astounding. You're just like, wow. Okay. Well, they're singing.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was just surreal because it really did feel like just hanging out with the boys. Because, I mean, it was like 3 o'clock in the morning. We're all just hammered, singing 90s country music around an invisible bonfire. It's like one of my favorite memories now.

[Unknown]

That was pretty cool.

[Eli Doubletap]

I think the closest I ever got to that is I repaired Tech9's van years ago. I was like 17 years old. He came to Denver and my buddy Ray. I don't really talk to Ray no more, but anyways, Ray was opening for Tech9 and he called me and my dad was like a junk dealer. I mean, he has just a whole bunch of shit in our like, Hugh Jaker lot. And he was like, hey, man, you got a mirror? And I was like, yeah, what kind of mirror? He's like, one like this. And like takes a picture of a van that was like sideswiped in the mirror was ripped off like one of those truck mirrors. I was like, yeah, let's do it. No problem, dude. And he's like, all right, I'm coming to get you. We went there. Look, I'll be honest with you. I had no idea what tech9 look like. I was like. There was like black dudes. Everyone was like, which ones? Like, I'm sorry, man. Like, I'd listened to him before, but I had no idea who the fuck he was. This dude.

[Brandon Herrera]

What are you insinuating?

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, Rose, I'm sorry, man. I just jammed out to the music, bro. This dude came in, he was like 6 foot, 1000, like 700 pound is enormous black dude. And apparently the backstage pass was like a sticker and gave me like the sticker and I repaired the van and.

[Brandon Herrera]

Then he turned around and in his back was tech 9.

[Eli Doubletap]

Tech is not very tall. He's not a big dude. He was like. I mean, I want to say he's like 5, 7, 5, 9. Like, he's not a very big dude, but he's super thankful, super nice. He's like, you drink free, everything you want all night. I was like, 17. I was like, fucking cool. Let's do it. Dude, that's like. That was awesome, bro. But, yeah, it was the closest I've ever gotten anything like that. I never. I'm so jealous of you guys. But at the same time, I'm excited because the closest other than that I've got to my own personal concert was a homeless person screaming at the top of their lungs at, like, a street sign while I was waiting on a train.

[Unknown]

Sounds like Austin. We had to experience that a little bit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown]

God, it was. It was. Dude, it was funny. We walked backstage and your girls, like, Rogan's behind us.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I was like. We were looking at him from far away. We're like, it might be Joe. Like, the physique and everything like that. Yeah, it kind of looks like Joe Rogan, but, like, the last thing we want to do is, like, go to a VIP and just start bugging people.

[Unknown]

Like, hey, man, picture.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, but literally our first interaction as I asked for a picture with you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, I fucking like. You know, we're in the same industry. Like, I like you now. I love you now.

[Eli Doubletap]

Thank you.

[Brandon Herrera]

But no, I, like, legitimately. It was just kind of weird because it's like, as soon as I heard the voice, I'm like, oh, that's Joe Rogan. What do. How do I act on this?

[Eli Doubletap]

I don't know what to do with my hands.

[Unknown]

You remember when he first saw us? He's talking to everyone up there, and he sees. Did you see when he. No, he saw us and he goes.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, I didn't see that. Wait, oh, what poster? Oh, I thought you're talking about Joe Rogan. I was like, he does this do, like, now. I don't remember when Joe Rogan acted like a. No, no, that was. It was kind of funny because I didn't know if we were, you know, impeding on anything.

[Unknown]

But, yeah, because we were trying to stay in our own little corner with everyone. There's a bunch of people out there. We're just like. We'll say to ourselves and, you know, not run over and try to get a picture or anything.

[Eli Doubletap]

That's a wonderful time to be alive, though, that YouTubers are rubbing elbows with, like, musicians. And, I mean, Joe Rogan, like, he's also. I mean, he's a podcaster. I don't. But he started out as tv.

[Donut Operator]

I don't know where you fc. He's a jack of all.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, he's all over the place. Like.

[Donut Operator]

Like, each thing he does is just this touching gold and being at that spot of number one. Really, Joe, we're coming for you. That's the goal. At least here. If we get two or the top five, we get put on seven. The top five, I'm happy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Which, by the way, please rate us highly on Spotify, on Apple, Apple, Apple, podcasts.

[Donut Operator]

That goes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Really helps us a lot.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, literally just reviews and five stars.

[Eli Doubletap]

If not, Eli and Brandon and Cody have all told me I cannot come back.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, see, that's true.

[Brandon Herrera]

Sorry, if you want more mistletism, you gotta read aside.

[Unknown]

If you want Northrop Grumman to assassinate us, we're not gonna have any.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, I mean, for context though, Postie is like 29.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, he said it on stage. He said he recently had a birthday or. What was it his birthday or something like that.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think was just saying his age. I don't know. Because the one time he was like, so I'm as a. Like, I'm 29 today. And everybody thought it was his birthday. So I started singing. He's like, I didn't turn 29 today.

[Donut Operator]

As of today, I did bad verbiage. Okay, here is. Dude, I just love people.

[Brandon Herrera]

But like, he. My thing is he grew up around YouTubers. Like, he grew up in. In our. I mean, I'm 28, so, like, it. It's okay.

[Eli Doubletap]

You know, you're older than me. I was gonna say. I'm not the oldest person here, right?

[Post Malone]

No, that's me.

[Eli Doubletap]

How old are you?

[Unknown]

I'm 37.

[Eli Doubletap]

Okay. Yeah, I'm actually second youngest. 34.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, dude, it's. It's. It's a new wave too. I mean, you're looking at people. When YouTube started, up until like 2016, 17, everyone was watching YouTube videos on mobile. That was 95% of content of YouTube was consumed on mobile. So now we're in this direction where it's like.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like pre Covid. It was 50. 50.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

It's now like you have TV for long form. People are like pulling it up. I watch now like a pop of meat or what. A lot of those things on TV when we're eating now.

[Unknown]

Exactly. That's your back. That's your background music. When you're just like cleaning or like cooking food or something, you listen to our friends on the fucking tv.

[Donut Operator]

And we never do think about that. We went from computers. You'd only watch it on a computer. Crazy idea to watch on a phone. Then it went strictly mobile. And then you started targeting immobile. And then, guys, remember this crazy time vertical, you were called A retard if you feel vertical.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Like, for the long time, it's like, you idiot. You piece of shit. Why would you film vertical? And then that took off because of Tick Tock.

[Eli Doubletap]

I was like, I don't want to talk about my vertical videos.

[Donut Operator]

And now you're horizontal.

[Eli Doubletap]

And now I'm horizontal? Yes, yes.

[Donut Operator]

And now we're like, then, now it's, it's. We're consumed on tv, which is a wild thing. People, like put on you, you the podcast for two hours and they're just.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, it's the new tv. Like, because you get to actually choose what you like. And it's aging up. Like our parents are now watching YouTube TV.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, well, I mean, the other thing is, it was also really strange to me because, like, you know, I started out with Tick Tock and, you know, Instagram reels and all sorts of. And then I got into YouTube and I was still doing the vertical and this beautiful human over here, I was, I was like a 90% solution. And then he's like, have you tried this? And I was like, fuck, let's do that. And now it works. So now we got the horizontal. And I remember after I posted the first video, I was so nervous to post that first video. I didn't want to tell Eli. I didn't want to tell anybody. I was so, like, I was like, it's longer than I normally make. I hope it's funny enough. Like, I hope they enjoy the characters. Like I was and it wasn't.

[Brandon Herrera]

And you failed. Immediately yelled at me.

[Donut Operator]

It hurt right here.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, of course. And it fucking crushed. And then I remember somebody like tagged me on Twitter. They had it their like 65 inch TV and it was one of my characters and I was like, dude, that felt so good. Like, that was such a cool feeling. I was just like, God, that's awesome that I get to make people that happy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, speaking of which, can we talk about it now?

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Where can people now find you?

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, are we talking about that? Should I say it? I'm just. You obviously we're not gonna ask a second question. I have an exclusive series along with all of my other long form videos coming to Pepperbox. And probably by the time this airs, it'll be there, won't it?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Already on Pepperbox we got you in the long form and now you're tackling. I love that once. It's always it's say for Nick's. It's like long form. Once you taste the long form and then you're like, well, the short form. Yeah, it is like, instantly, you're just like, boom, boom, boom.

[Eli Doubletap]

Dude, I started, like. And I got a little bit faster at it. And, like, that's. I mean, ultimately, it's. It's. It's time. Like, that's. That's. Whatever. I mean, even with you guys, it's time because, like, you all have editors and stuff like that. And I was like, I'm one of those. I have such a tism. I want to do it myself before I tell anybody else. And I think that Eli appreciates that. And I, like, I started figuring it out, and I started getting faster at it, and I'm like, okay, now I can coach someone else how to do this once it starts doing well for me and free up more of my time so that way I can do something else and create more and, like. But right now, the army. Jesus. Uncle Sam sucks. My asshole's all callous. It's all just.

[Donut Operator]

My knuckle fuck. It's like elbow skin down there.

[Eli Doubletap]

If I were to, like, skydive naked, I would whistle. Okay, let me put it to that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Dude.

[Unknown]

Because you sure do. Butthole callus.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's a metal.

[Eli Doubletap]

Yeah, just butthole. I don't feel anything back there. And that's what's. Oh, man.

[Brandon Herrera]

The green we need rarely comes lubed.

[Eli Doubletap]

Oh, dude, it never comes lubed. I just. I'll be sitting there minding my own business, doing, like, answering emails. And here comes Uncle Sam with that longer. Just bouncing around a corner like, God damn it.

[Donut Operator]

I've never missed him.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like Slender man is like his.

[Donut Operator]

Pinstripe red and white suit, just General.

[Brandon Herrera]

Millie just peeking out from trees.

[Eli Doubletap]

You see a silhouette of roll sleeves and a top hat with a baseball bat hanging between his legs.

[Unknown]

We're gonna have to get Nick Cryptid to fight Uncle Sam. Cryptid, dude.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, God, let him retire.

[Unknown]

Do you hear about Nick? Nick's Cryptid?

[Eli Doubletap]

No.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, God.

[Donut Operator]

Go uncut.

[Unknown]

So imagine Nick going through the woods with just a wife beater on and nothing. Like, no pants, no underwear, full Winnie the Pooh. Yeah. Just chasing you through the woods.

[Eli Doubletap]

Just shirt cocking it up.

[Brandon Herrera]

I love, like, when women do that. It's like a flag over a conquered castle.

[Eli Doubletap]

Wearing your shirt.

[Brandon Herrera]

When men do it, it's like you're just a gay wizard.

[Donut Operator]

I love the two images side by side. It's like cartoon drawings. It's like, gay wizard, conquered castle. Both inappropriate. Like, holy. Well, brother, we're gonna go to the after show. If you're down. Everyone got 10 minutes?

[Eli Doubletap]

Of course I got 10 minutes.

[Donut Operator]

We got 10 minis. Let's close this bitch out. Cody.

[Unknown]

Thank you guys so much for joining the unsubscribed podcast. I was joined today by Eli Doubletap habitual line crosser, Brandon Herrera, myself, Donut. Donut. Please check out the unsubscribe after show on Patreon. We'll see you in a bit. Love you guys.

[Donut Operator]

Love you.

[Unknown]

Where do we find you?

[Eli Doubletap]

Habitualline crosser.com has a link to all of everywhere. If you want to watch me on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and now Pepper Box.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ding.

[Unknown]

Love you guys.

[Donut Operator]

See you in a few.

[Eli Doubletap]

We.