193 - The Gang Goes To War With Walmart?? ft. Wendigoon | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 193

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unsubscribe Podcast Episode 193 - "The Gang Goes To War With Walmart?? ft. Wendigoon"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Unsubscribe Podcast
• Host/Author: UnsubscribePodcast
• Episode: 193 - The Gang Goes To War With Walmart?? ft. Wendigoon
• Release Date: December 30, 2024

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1. Guest Introduction: Wendigoon Joins the Pod

Brandon Herrera welcomes Wendigoon to the episode, expressing joy over his return. The hosts briefly reminisce about past episodes, highlighting the memorable interactions and the unique dynamic Wendigoon brings to the podcast.

Notable Quote:

Donut Operator (02:22): "What's up, you beautiful? And welcome back."

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2. Trauma and Personal Stories

Brandon opens up about a deeply personal story involving Hunter's childhood trauma. Hunter recounts the harrowing experience of his grandfather accidentally shooting the family dog, which led to his grandfather being institutionalized. The conversation delves into the emotional impact of these memories and how they've shaped Hunter's outlook.

Notable Quote:

Hunter (05:18): "Meat almost got killed in a drive by."

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3. Live Shows and Tours

The hosts discuss their experiences with live shows, emphasizing the challenges and rewards of performing in front of large audiences. They reflect on the evolution of their content during these tours, moving from structured storytelling to more spontaneous, riff-based interactions that resonate well with fans.

Notable Quote:

Brandon Herrera (03:29): "The podcast is a ton of fun. I did, like, at first, I was doing it, like, okay, we'll see where it goes. But now it's like, I look forward to it every week."

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4. Disaster Relief in Appalachia

Brandon details his involvement in disaster relief efforts following Hurricane Helene, which devastated southern Appalachia. He explains the formation of a non-profit organization aimed at providing sustainable support, such as rebuilding homes and offering temporary housing. The discussion highlights the community's resilience and the collective effort to overcome the aftermath.

Notable Quote:

Brandon Herrera (37:30): "I made a YouTube video and then I did a merch drop. And the profits from the merch went to that as well as like raw donations. And between like that and the videos, ad rev and sponsor and all that, I think we're over a quarter million now."

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5. Charity Efforts and Merchandise

The conversation shifts to how the podcast leverages merchandise sales to support charitable causes. The hosts emphasize transparency in their fundraising methods, ensuring that proceeds directly benefit disaster relief initiatives. They encourage listeners to participate by purchasing merch or donating directly.

Notable Quote:

Brandon Herrera (137:34): "They can donate directly depending on when this goes up till January 2. I have a merch drop. All proceeds from that also go to it."

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6. The Walmart T-Shirt Controversy

A significant portion of the episode addresses an issue where Walmart listed their "Autistic" shirt without authorization. This led to a viral social media campaign demanding Walmart donate proceeds from the shirt sales to autism charities. The hosts discuss the implications of corporate missteps and the power of grassroots movements in holding large companies accountable.

Notable Quote:

Cody (77:45): "We were just gonna, like, if you, if you're not gonna give us credit, at least donate money to the autism charities."

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7. Offensive Content and 9/11 References

The hosts navigate a tense segment where Hunter accidentally refers to the 9/11 attacks using inappropriate imagery from My Little Pony. This moment sparks a discussion on sensitivity, the challenges of content creation, and the importance of context in storytelling. They acknowledge the mistake and reflect on ways to handle such situations gracefully.

Notable Quote:

Brandon Herrera (116:00): "What was the thing you're asking about, like the black nationalists and stuff like that."

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8. Sovereign Citizens and Conspiracy Theories

A deep dive into the sovereign citizen movement occupies much of the latter part of the episode. The hosts unpack the misconceptions, legal misunderstandings, and radical beliefs that fuel this group. They share anecdotal experiences, discuss the intersection with other conspiracy theories like QAnon, and emphasize the importance of awareness and education in combating misinformation.

Notable Quote:

Brandon Herrera (99:28): "It's like the sovereign citizen idea of like secret cheat codes and stuff."

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9. Upcoming Range Day Event

Excitement builds as the hosts announce an upcoming "Range Day" event aimed at firearms enthusiasts and influencers. This event is positioned as a networking opportunity within the gun community, promoting responsible gun ownership and fostering connections among content creators. They highlight the safety measures in place and the inclusive environment they strive to create.

Notable Quote:

Cody (120:11): "Everybody's being super safe. We've got a ton of RSOs, like, a ton of, like, industry people that just know what they're doing and it's cool to bring in people not only in the gun industry."

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10. Conclusion and Call to Action

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts reiterate their commitment to disaster relief and encourage listeners to support their efforts through donations or merchandise purchases. They extend gratitude to their audience and participants, reinforcing the community-centric ethos of the Unsubscribe Podcast.

Notable Quote:

Brandon Herrera (137:20): "Thank you so much for watching our stuff. We love you, Wendigoon."

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Final Thoughts

Episode 193 of the Unsubscribe Podcast offers a blend of personal storytelling, community activism, and engagement with contemporary issues. The inclusion of Wendigoon adds depth to the conversation, while the hosts' candid discussions on trauma, disaster relief, and societal challenges provide listeners with both entertainment and insight. The episode underscores the podcast's dedication to fostering a supportive and informed community.

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Note: This summary excludes non-content sections such as advertisements, intros, and outros, focusing solely on the substantive discussions and interactions throughout the episode.

Transcript

[Cody]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Cody]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Cody]

We're like the AT T bars of cancellation.

[Hunter]

Why do you think we're drunk every time? And I won't move my family.

[Cody]

Here, drink.

[Donut Operator]

Why'd you make beads? Racist.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, your grandfather tried to kill you.

[Cody]

Who has the tokens? Haley.

[Donut Operator]

Brandon, did you show your Cody shirt? You should have wore it for the podcast today.

[Cody]

I need.

[Donut Operator]

Where is this?

[Cody]

Can you. Can you throw me my favorite shirt?

[Hunter]

Dude, come read a passage your book.

[Cody]

No camera.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, the next thing they record, I won't be in it. Go right ahead then.

[Hunter]

Sad part.

[Brandon Herrera]

Great.

[Hunter]

We could sell so much of that.

[Cody]

That should be the next shirt. A.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's actually really good. I like that.

[Donut Operator]

And the Mexican audience really like this. That is as fucking Mexican shirt as they. It's like those cholo shirts.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's nothing.

[Cody]

Middle kiosk in the mall. Shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Hey, mister, come here.

[Hunter]

You should get that painted on the hood of your cyber truck.

[Cody]

That's actually.

[Donut Operator]

Oh.

[Cody]

At Elon Musk.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, we ready to do this thing?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Everyone got a cracky top?

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, I got. I'll pop that one. I got. You ready?

[Donut Operator]

Three, two, one.

[Cody]

Sorry, no. Your honor, his head just did that.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's what. Hey, first JFK than the healthcare CEO. It's crazy.

[Donut Operator]

That's how this one starts.

[Hunter]

We're starting out like that, huh? How do you feel about it?

[Brandon Herrera]

Next unsub. Hi. Yeah. Hi, everyone. Hi. Hi, guys. Thank you all for having me on.

[Donut Operator]

Kelly, do your thing.

[Wendigoon]

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Double tap, that electrician, Mr. Window himself, Brandon Herrera, myself, donut operator. We love you. Thank you for being here.

[Donut Operator]

What's up, you beautiful? And welcome back. I always love when you're on. Last time we talked about, like, what? I forget a lot of things for an hour we said. And everyone loved it.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember there's a lot of Bible talk. I remember that. I know. We also. He kept trying to get me to say things that would get me in trouble. Which is just standard fare.

[Cody]

You just kind of do that all the time.

[Brandon Herrera]

He just kind of does that a lot.

[Cody]

You're not special, but you guys are.

[Brandon Herrera]

My friends always have a great time on this podcast. It's nice to come on something where I don't feel like I have to, like, perform or it's not like Windigoon. It's like, oh, I can just talk. So it's nice. Appreciate you guys coming.

[Cody]

I have a podcast where I have to read things someone else wrote.

[Donut Operator]

We're just gonna bully it. And the war begins.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay. At least. No, you got me there. When we seen that, we were like.

[Donut Operator]

Those smart sons of bitches.

[Cody]

It's one of my favorite podcasts, though.

[Donut Operator]

I know we all watch it.

[Brandon Herrera]

I appreciate that. The podcast is a ton of fun. I did, like, at first, I was doing it, like, okay, we'll see where it goes. But now it's like, I look forward to it every week. It's just a ton of fun. Like, sit around and goof off with Hunter, especially because half the time, like, we just forget whatever story it is and just go down rabbit holes.

[Cody]

You started to do that a lot more where you just like riffing. We shoes choose shorter stories, but you just like the Mr. Winners and all sorts of shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Kicking jokes and stuff like that. There are a bunch of people when we did the live show who, like, had made art out of side tangents and stuff like that. Do you remember the bit, like, the story Hunter told about his grandpa shooting his dog?

[Donut Operator]

I wanted that.

[Cody]

Could you please, for the people who haven't reiterate.

[Brandon Herrera]

For the heathens who don't watch Creepcast. No, I'm kidding. So when Hunter was a child, he had this memory that his disabled grandfather, who is, like, paralyzed in a wheelchair or paralyzed from the waist down or whatever, had a rifle across his lap and accidentally shot the family dog. And they put him in a home.

[Donut Operator]

Next to Hunter, by the way.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, Hunter was sitting next to the dog. And then Hunter calls his mom on the show because I was, like, making fun of him for you. He's like, tell Isaiah what happened. And his mom informs us that it was not an accident, that she believes his grandfather tried to kill Hunter when he was a child and just accidentally shot the dog. So it became like this whole.

[Cody]

I missed the part where she was aiming for Hunter or he was aiming for Hunter.

[Brandon Herrera]

What she says is, I think in the actual recording, it's like, I don't think it was an accident. I think it might have been you or something like that. So I. I, of course, being a good friend, was crying, laughing, I couldn't breathe. And then. So anyway, it's like, okay, that is a very.

[Hunter]

Meat almost got killed in a drive by.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. When he was seven years old. Dude.

[Donut Operator]

And then Hunter, when he explains, he's like, my grandpa's like, this Willie just shoots the fucking dog and your face. You're like, hey, we need to talk about this.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. I'm like, do you want to do this? Do you want to cut this? Like, I'm like, is he, like, opening up about something? He's like, no, it's funny. Then he calls his mom and his mom, like, reframes it. So of course, I can't believe grandfather.

[Cody]

Was like, I had a vision that he was going to grow up to be a YouTuber who paints his nails.

[Brandon Herrera]

I have to stop him. While I blasted.

[Donut Operator]

I missed.

[Cody]

He gets sent back in time, but he's still disabled. That's his. That's Papa meets Granddad's Offender's power. You can go back in time, but you're still crippled in the mirror.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, no. I'm retarded.

[Brandon Herrera]

Jesus Christ. Love you, Hunter. So when we go to the live show, like, this is like a traumatic big moment for him and everything. And the number of people who brought paintings and artwork and stuff of his grandfather in a mobility scooter with a rifle, it was insane. There was one they gave us. It was a painting of him, like, crying on the floor next to a dead dog and the shadow of a wheelchair and a gun. I don't remember having fun with him. Now I feel bad about having fun with it.

[Cody]

Like the cartoon of the shadow of Goofy in the doorway with the belt.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. So, yeah. So there's a. There's a bunch of stuff like that. It is funny, though. I haven't had any explicit trauma come out on the podcast yet, so I think I'm fine. I mean, as long as it's all directed towards him, that's fine.

[Cody]

The one I'm watching, the most recent one, you're talking about that house.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay, well, that. That wasn't trauma. That was a memory. That maybe that was almost potential trauma, I hope, or.

[Cody]

Well, you said you had nightmares about it.

[Brandon Herrera]

I did, but I don't.

[Donut Operator]

That's trauma.

[Brandon Herrera]

Nothing probably happens at the house if I had to get clear.

[Cody]

In a house that, like their grandfather on your grandfather.

[Brandon Herrera]

My grandfather owned it.

[Cody]

And then you got by the can, man.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay, hold on, hold on. Stop.

[Wendigoon]

Clarify real Quick.

[Donut Operator]

That's why you're saying you don't have trauma from.

[Brandon Herrera]

Then you run for office.

[Cody]

I wouldn't recommend it. Turns out some of this shit don't look good on paper.

[Brandon Herrera]

I went to a property my grandfather owned, and my dad and I. I was like. Like nine or ten at the time. We were clearing it out, and there was a. So, like, some homeless person had made, like, a cot, and there's, like, empty food cans around it and stuff. So it's like, oh, someone's been living in the house.

[Wendigoon]

Just squatter type shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, just squatter type.

[Donut Operator]

So we.

[Brandon Herrera]

We drag the stuff out and leave it outside because it's like, you know, come get your stu. But we're trying to fix the house back up. So we go stay back at my grandfather's house, which is on the same property, like, in eyeshot of the old house. And the next day, we go back to that house, and all of the stuff had been moved back inside. But this is also a house in, like, the middle of nowhere. Like, middle of wood. So either this dude is walking back and forth, like, 10 miles through the trees every day, or that guy was in the house at the property while we were also at the property clearing it and stuff like that. So as a kid, I used to have nightmares about that house, different scenarios. And there's this one recurring nightmare I had of, like, a face on the top of the stairs looking down at me. And Hunter was like, no, that happened. That absolutely happened. Hunter affectionately refers to him as the can man. And he was like that guy for sure. You know what? If that is, like, a repressed memory, I hope it stays repressed. I don't. I don't want it elaborated on. I hope I die and never learn anything else.

[Cody]

That guy has a can do attitude.

[Brandon Herrera]

Thank you. Yeah, Brandon. Appreciate it. How long was that one? Just up there.

[Cody]

You're getting rapid fire, dude. There's no sensor here.

[Brandon Herrera]

All right.

[Cody]

I love how he's.

[Brandon Herrera]

Good to see you too.

[Cody]

He's gaslighting you into, like, reframing your childhood trauma.

[Brandon Herrera]

He does that a lot.

[Cody]

Meanwhile, like, most of us are impossible to gaslight because we don't have any memory of what happened and we don't care. Yeah, so make up whatever story you want.

[Brandon Herrera]

Is that easy?

[Cody]

I don't do shit. Do you do this? Probably.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember the first episode of. I was talking to Hunter about how, when I was a kid, my dad had made me is a strong word. He was like, you're gonna do this? And I was like, okay, he had me go look for a dead body with him. Someone who went missing.

[Cody]

Typical Appalachian behavior.

[Brandon Herrera]

Typical Appalachian behavior.

[Donut Operator]

Okay, somebody went missing and you were trying.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it was. It was a family friend who went missing, but they had been missing long enough, and, like, they caught a guy who had stolen their car. So it's like, chances aren't looking great. Right.

[Hunter]

Picture this is like the tutorial instruction mission of your life. Level one.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

See? Hey, let's go look for a dead body. I'm like, I haven't done this yet. Is that it was too.

[Brandon Herrera]

There was enough evidence around it from the police and everything that we're not. We're not going to find them in the woods. Like, well, golly, we got lost down here. Thank you all for finding us. I wasn't looking that way.

[Cody]

12, do you want to find a body?

[Brandon Herrera]

So we go. We go out looking for it, and we didn't find it. But a search crew that was like a couple miles up the road did find them. And I told Hunter that story, and he was like, if you would have found that body when you were 12, right now you'd be working at, like, Enterprise cars. You'd be a completely normal person. But because you didn't find it, you have this bug in your brain for the rest of your life that you have to chase that high.

[Wendigoon]

I love Hunter's explanations on life like that.

[Brandon Herrera]

He does that a lot. Yeah. But then it turns out his grandfather tried to kill him. So what does he know if it.

[Cody]

Wasn'T for the dead Dodge a moment.

[Donut Operator]

Apparently stomach takes such a hard turn usually.

[Hunter]

Usually you catch a stray, not a pet.

[Donut Operator]

God, it's a fire range.

[Cody]

I prefer the no kill loving homes.

[Brandon Herrera]

At every live show we went to, I would just reference. I'd just say the word dog, and the whole audience would start snickering. Like, it was like a wave that went through them of like realizing once they're like, oh, your grandfather tried to kill you.

[Wendigoon]

Like, yeah, get wrecked, nerd.

[Cody]

His mom was at one of the shows, right?

[Brandon Herrera]

His mom was at the Phoenix show. And I was like, did. Did Hunter's grandfather shoot that dog? And she was like, yes.

[Donut Operator]

Have you heard this story?

[Hunter]

No.

[Donut Operator]

This is awesome.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes. Watch Creepcast, if you're interest.

[Hunter]

All we did at our live shows was make everybody sing the JG Wentworth jingle.

[Cody]

Totally all that happened.

[Donut Operator]

Yep.

[Hunter]

That's all that happened at the live shows.

[Cody]

90 minutes, two hours of redacted.

[Wendigoon]

How many live shows do you guys do?

[Brandon Herrera]

So for creepcast, we did four. We did four over from October 24th to Halloween.

[Wendigoon]

So where'd you guys film that?

[Brandon Herrera]

We did them in Boston. So our original plan was we were gonna hit, like, scary Cities and then la, because everyone's in la, so Scary City is a pretty scary Siri. We were gonna do Salem and then New Orleans and Phoenix, because our most popular episode left Right Game. Oh, no shit. So. And then la, but they were like, there's no theater in Salem and hell that's available during Halloween weekend or the week of. So Boston. Close enough. So we did Boston, New Orleans, Phoenix, and la. Nice. And we did that. All the shows were really. Well, I will say the LA one was kind of rushed because on that one, we did the show in Phoenix on the 30th. The next morning, flew and then did the show that night. So it was like, so well.

[Cody]

Yeah, man.

[Donut Operator]

You had to fly from Phoenix, la. We did Norfolk to San Diego the next, next day.

[Brandon Herrera]

And then that night you went on. All right, I'll show.

[Cody]

And then the next day flew to Dallas. And then what we did, like, all of ours back to.

[Brandon Herrera]

Back to about. Oh, my gosh.

[Cody]

He was, we'll never do that again one time.

[Brandon Herrera]

And was like, no, yeah, I did. Our one show was like. I was like, this is horrible.

[Cody]

Oh, that's called a lesson learned.

[Hunter]

The rest of first class on that flight from Norfolk to California was pissed because all of us were just faced.

[Cody]

We were cracking ourselves off.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, we thought we loved it too.

[Brandon Herrera]

Y'all had a good time.

[Cody]

They actually did.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, they had a blast.

[Brandon Herrera]

Was it the one where they were.

[Wendigoon]

Bringing us the airplane bottles by like, the fucking dozen? Yeah, take more. Keep telling.

[Donut Operator]

It wasn't like this.

[Hunter]

Here's a glass of orange juice and four vodkas to start off.

[Cody]

You were like, all right, how big? Like, the little tray table is between it, like, we need that many vodkas, please.

[Hunter]

One of the flights, we drank all their alcohol. They told us that.

[Cody]

I think that was this most recent stream.

[Hunter]

It was this.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, that was the San Antonio flight, the 30min.

[Cody]

So the unsubscribe host drank of the plane.

[Hunter]

And then the one flight, we end up running into Kevin.

[Cody]

Oh, Kevin.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Hunter]

That first class was also a nightmare.

[Donut Operator]

Every time.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah. We ran into Kevin Brittingham, who, you know, the creator of Q. You're gonna see him around the podcast a lot. And we just. We were sitting at a bar in Boston waiting on our flight or waiting to go to Boston. And then Kevin runs up and he's like, what's up, fuckers? And we're like, oh, Kevin's here because.

[Cody]

We did the, like, hey, that guy looks like Kevin.

[Hunter]

That guy's wearing a name point shirt.

[Cody]

We did the. Yeah, we did the Spider man pointing meme.

[Brandon Herrera]

We're like, oh, shit, it's Kevin's trying to impersonate Kevin.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah. Have you seen that yet?

[Brandon Herrera]

I actually have seen this.

[Donut Operator]

Have you shot it yet?

[Brandon Herrera]

I've not shot it. I was hanging out with Caleb and he has one, and it's. It's pretty sick, bro.

[Donut Operator]

The boombox and that.

[Hunter]

Look at that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Is such a wild round.

[Donut Operator]

Nasty.

[Cody]

And it's so light recoil.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, that's what's so cool about the round, is because it still maintains, you know, the subsonic whatever and stuff like that. But it's ballistic. It's like lethal past 50 yards. Unlike everything else, it's subsonic.

[Cody]

It's lethal against like. What is it? Cape buffalo at like 400 yards.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's insane, bro. Absolutely not. That's so cool.

[Donut Operator]

When you hit the steel with it, it is like the pistol tree, the challenge, like the rushing tree. When you hit the top, any of them, like the other ones try to swing because of the force that the.

[Cody]

Whole thing's just like, fuck yeah.

[Donut Operator]

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[Cody]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Cody]

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[Wendigoon]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Cody]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Wendigoon]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Cody]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Wendigoon]

What is that?

[Cody]

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[Wendigoon]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Cody]

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[Wendigoon]

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[Hunter]

Will you explain the physics behind that? Because you summed it up pretty easy and I actually understood it for once.

[Cody]

So basically, we have a typical rifle twist. You have something like, more aggressive. One is like a 1 in the 7 on shorter AR15s and stuff. So that means for every 7 inches of barrel, you get one full rotation. A lot of times you get like 1 in 81 and 91 in 10. The 86 blackout uses 1 to 3. So every 3 inches, you're getting a full rotation, which is hot, which means you're not just talking about linear velocity, which you're capped because it's subsonic at under roughly about a thousand feet per second. Now you have rotational velocity, which doesn't break the sound barrier, so you're fine. So you can store a lot more energy in rotational. And it also opens up like a goddamn drill bit.

[Brandon Herrera]

I haven't even thought about the rotational centrifugal for energy. I haven't thought about that before.

[Donut Operator]

That's when it hits those, like your standard AR, when they first came out, it was like 1 to 17 twitch. So like, really slow and like, oh, Kevin finally developed that and the 300.

[Cody]

Because it fucks your barrel life, dude.

[Donut Operator]

But when it hits those ballistic dummies or ballistic gels, it is popping them off the table. Because that centrifugal force, shooting it up.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, has that been observed in any calibers before? Like the rotational?

[Donut Operator]

Not to that degree.

[Cody]

Yeah, they usually. Yeah. Because it's bad for barrel life. And it's a bunch of other stuff. There's honest, like. And especially if you're not caring about subsonic, there's no reason to do it. But, yeah, for example, that was. That specifically was pulled out of a zebra. So he just goes to Africa and just hunts cool shit with it.

[Hunter]

I say, me and. Me and demo. Matt did a video because I wanted to. He's like, I have all these houses that we have to tear down because they're full of black mold and we have to get rid of them. I was like, we have to recreate the meme. You know, the meme of like, what if there's a bad guy behind my neighbor's refrigerator? I wanted to know the smallest Caliber. So like we went out and we figured it out and we just like stepped it up. We went from like 22, 9 mil. 5 5, 6, 76 2, but you know, 308, whatever. And 86 went all the way through the house and got caught in the last exterior wall before exiting the house.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh my gosh. And how far away were you?

[Cody]

Through the fridge?

[Hunter]

It was like 30 death. Through a fridge, through several more interior walls, through the kitchen cabinets, and then got caught. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was subs.

[Donut Operator]

This was terrifying having an event.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ridiculous. The horrifying part.

[Wendigoon]

Sorry kids.

[Hunter]

The horrifying part is it stores so much energy. It started keyholing after like the third interior wall. And the keyholes of that monster are like just going through the house. And it.

[Brandon Herrera]

I guess it's that extreme like rotational energy.

[Hunter]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like after the drill bit. Because where it's sub, it's not going that fast. But all that energy has to go somewhere.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

So I guess it's just enough that the round keeps tumbling.

[Cody]

That in the inertia, it's like a 300 grain projectile. So it's like, fuck. Gosh. The typical 5, 5, 6 is what, what? 55.

[Brandon Herrera]

55. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Again, that. That is what you're hit with such ridiculous.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh my gosh.

[Donut Operator]

Just the fattest.

[Wendigoon]

Thanks, Kevin.

[Brandon Herrera]

Is it like right now? Is it just fired out of like bolt guns?

[Donut Operator]

No, the boom box.

[Cody]

The boom box is like a. It's a five and a half pound like honey badger style. Like, but it's that shorty AR10.

[Donut Operator]

Do they have a 4 inch barrel one? And it ran.

[Brandon Herrera]

Terrifying.

[Donut Operator]

No, more terrifying. I could hold it one handed out and full auto it. And that is 30886 full auto.

[Cody]

This is full auto.

[Brandon Herrera]

Bro.

[Cody]

It's stupid.

[Brandon Herrera]

That is a scary round. My word. I have to have. I have to have one.

[Cody]

It's.

[Donut Operator]

So meet Kevin tomorrow.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, Kevin will be there tonight.

[Cody]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Kevin wants to meet.

[Cody]

There's alcohol. Kevin will be Oompa.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, exactly. He's like, wow, I want to meet these guys. I was like, good, we got you. We got you. Did you come in off a tour? How was like, what was your favorite? You probably refined it that first time. You're like, okay, I gotta walk this and make sure timing, especially with you guys, you're like reading and then trying to keep it alive with the audience.

[Brandon Herrera]

The first show was like kind of a little antsy going into it because like we, we kind of know at this point, like story length with us riffing and stuff like that about how long it takes. And we guess the first story was going to be 2 hours and 15 minutes. And I think we ended at 2 hours and 21 minutes. So I'm like, that was pretty close. But I remember during it, like, I kept, like, checking my watch. But then the three shows after that, I was like, I've got it. Like, we know. We know where it's at. The Phoenix show went especially long because we changed up the stories a bit that got closer to three hours.

[Cody]

Like, total runtime.

[Brandon Herrera]

Total run time.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, I know.

[Wendigoon]

Which stories were you telling on your life tours?

[Brandon Herrera]

So for three of them, we did Stealthy. The original. That was so smooth.

[Hunter]

The original Play 6. It's fine. You can't hear it.

[Brandon Herrera]

We were gonna do Goatman, and then we were gonna do a funny one in the middle. And then we were going to end on a story called Mayhem Mountain, because that's why it has, like, a bunch of speaking lines and stuff like that. But then after we did the first show, Hunter loved Laughing Jack so much. He thought it was so ridiculous that he was like, we have to do this for every show afterwards. So that it just stayed those three through most of them. Phoenix, we mixed it up a bit just to try something else. Yeah. Goatman, Laughing Jack and Mayhem Mountain, which. Laughing Jack is such a stupid, stupid story. The audience loved it.

[Cody]

You described it as a palate cleanser. Yeah, it was kind of funny.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. At the end, it's like five pages, and it ends with a woman's child getting crucified to his bedroom wall.

[Cody]

He's still with photorealistic blood, and she.

[Brandon Herrera]

Stabs him in the heart.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, God. It's one of those cheese balls.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like a Jeff the Killer, like, ridiculous level, whatever. Which is why the audience loved it so much. The Sonic Exe and then Sonic Exe.

[Cody]

I had never heard that. Oh, you never heard that before? No, no. That was my first time listening to. I knew, obviously, the Internet lore behind it and shit, but that was my first time hearing it, was hearing the live show recordings.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Sonic Exe is like a classic, right? Because of how terrible it is. It's like the magnum opus of horrible early Internet storytelling. It's like the same verbs and words used over and over and stuff. So of course it made for a good time. Everyone liked it. Yeah.

[Cody]

It's just shitty enough to work.

[Brandon Herrera]

Exactly, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

What was it like when you, like, how big was your audiences for this?

[Brandon Herrera]

It varied a lot, depending on room. I know some of them were like, like 300 to 350 area. And I think our biggest one was. I think LA was 400, I'm pretty sure. So it was like our first 400.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. And you do that first tour and then you're like that first show, though, that nerves. I mean, the amount of nerves we all felt on that first show because you walk out sold out and you're like 400 people again. We've said this a million times. We are used to like, hey, a million people we're talking to behind a screen.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, there's. There's no one. I can't see a million.

[Donut Operator]

I had a.

[Brandon Herrera]

Rich.

[Hunter]

Rich saved me all my arms on that first show.

[Donut Operator]

Rich gets.

[Hunter]

Do you know Angry Cops?

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Hunter]

Our very first show, he walks out in a kilt as we're playing Dropkick Murphy's and gets up on his chair and moons the entire audience. And I was like, well, I'm gonna be fine. I have nothing to be embarrassed of now. He's actually naked in front of everybody. Good.

[Cody]

You're supposed to picture the audience naked, right?

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, that is a palate cleanser.

[Donut Operator]

And that was at the start.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was the first five seconds of our first live show. Yeah, I. Dude, I was so.

[Wendigoon]

I was so scared. I was so scared going up there. I'm like, I've never been in front of this many people before. And then there's Rich's next to me and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, everything's good.

[Donut Operator]

Everything's fine. What was it? Who's the most nervous? Like, me. Papa Meat. He like. Hunter hates being in front of people.

[Brandon Herrera]

Everyone's Amber Alert just went off, right? Yeah, there's a bunch of YouTubers around, so I figured Amber Alert drink.

[Donut Operator]

I hate that more.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's worse than the drunk. I.

[Hunter]

We're drunk all the time. And I won't move my family here.

[Cody]

I don't think that. Oh, God, you're laughing.

[Hunter]

I'm dead serious. Reason I haven't moved here.

[Brandon Herrera]

YouTubers start landing and any, like, children there start fading away.

[Cody]

It's like the Thanos Snap range day. The costume, you're supposed. The plus one's supposed to be somebody you bring.

[Hunter]

Not take.

[Cody]

No, the. We didn't invite any Minecraft YouTubers.

[Brandon Herrera]

We're fine.

[Hunter]

I heard that.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, more going on.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like I said, a lot. A lot of YouTubers were you guys.

[Cody]

I turned them off.

[Wendigoon]

I'm not a demo ranch's 10 million subscriber party. There were like 12amber alerts that one night.

[Donut Operator]

Under the bus.

[Wendigoon]

It wasn't his idea at all.

[Brandon Herrera]

Cody's like, I don't know. Where was he that night? Do you know? Know? I don't know.

[Donut Operator]

Were you excited to get in front of the audience?

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, I was because by that time I had done the stalker movie tour. So I was like, I can do this, like now. Going into that first one, that was.

[Wendigoon]

That was awesome, by the way.

[Brandon Herrera]

By the way, thank you guys very much for coming to that. That meant a lot. That was very cool.

[Wendigoon]

We'll come for you anytime.

[Brandon Herrera]

All right, well, thanks the. You too, for doing that. And I know you would have anyone besides you can have his. Thank you.

[Cody]

It was funny because we. I couldn't let you go without the fucking Jeff Goldblum impression bit. Yeah, it was funny listening to that on the podcast on Creepcast.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember seeing you, like, holding a microphone. I was like, please, please, please, please, please. What's he gonna say?

[Cody]

I've seen the trips to the bar.

[Brandon Herrera]

This kid go real off the rails. Brandon, where's this going? But the.

[Cody]

To be fair, you're one of your managers found me out there while we were talking, you know, fans and shit like that, they're just like, hey, he's doing Q and A. You want to go like, say something funny? And I'm just like, hell, yeah, I will.

[Brandon Herrera]

But that was pretty cool. You guys being there meant a lot. I appreciate it.

[Donut Operator]

We did make your security very unsafe. Very unsafe. They're like, what are you guys doing? Because we're like gangling up. Like, what do we do?

[Cody]

Like, how do we talk? Oh, that's true. Because we were facing away because we didn't want to reveal the surprise that we were there.

[Brandon Herrera]

Very suspicious. It was just a bunch of people facing away.

[Cody]

Like, hands in pockets, like, in the line to go meet the talent.

[Brandon Herrera]

There were a bunch of people who showed up, like, in like cosplay for the stalker characters, which meant like, like full Russian kit and fatigues and stuff like that. And like every time they. They had like a 20 minute conversation with security and then got in line, it's like, yeah, I wonder why all the pockets.

[Donut Operator]

I can only imagine what you're all show Nashville. We're sitting in the green, like, blah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Donut Operator]

Their head of security walks in, manager of the location. Hey, our people, the co workers and staff are very worried about your audience.

[Cody]

Like, they're very uncomfortable.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, uncomfortable. It's like, what do you have to worry about?

[Cody]

They were like, well, you know, if you see any guns or they're worried they're gonna bring guns in, blah, blah, blah. Like, and I told him, like, dude, if our. If our people bring in guns, you're not gonna see them. That didn't really.

[Brandon Herrera]

And then the first guy, Brandon, incredible negotiations.

[Cody]

He didn't like that.

[Donut Operator]

First guy walks in with an AT four.

[Cody]

You're like, ah, unloaded.

[Hunter]

In his defense, he was cosplaying me and Brandon.

[Cody]

We did. I forgot that was the first time we met.

[Hunter]

Dude, that's like, you won't see anything. That's technically our first collab on a video because that's on my main channel still.

[Cody]

Oh, that's true.

[Hunter]

Telling that story, we.

[Cody]

We. We walked into a nightclub in San Antonio to. Because a rapper friend of our, Zeus, shout out good hood me. But he.

[Donut Operator]

Why did you say rapper friend?

[Cody]

He's a rapper. He's a rapper.

[Donut Operator]

I know he's a rap.

[Cody]

It explains why he's shooting a music video.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, I didn't. You didn't say that part.

[Cody]

He's filmed a music video in some nightclub and he's just like, hey. He's like, come, Come hang out. And, like, I asked him about the AT four thing because he like, do you have anything big and cool to bring? Like, sure. So I bring out the AT four and we are walking from the parking lot.

[Brandon Herrera]

Brandon.

[Hunter]

Brandon's wearing jeans and flip flops, like a Hawaiian shirt. I'm pretty sure we're walking. Just two security guards.

[Cody]

Oh, yeah, the guys in the parking lot, like mall security kind of dudes, but cool dudes, but with real.

[Hunter]

But with real guns.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Hunter]

Brandon's like, hey, this is fake, just so you know. And the guy's like, it's an at 4. I wasn't gonna stop you. Brandon's like, being the mature adult here because he's got, like, federal licenses and he has to worry about. And he's like, I just want to, like, let the manager of the bar know that this is a prop. It's not real. Like, it was real. It's no longer real. Whatever.

[Cody]

Oh, fuck, I forgot about that.

[Hunter]

Go ahead.

[Cody]

They. They came over. Like, the. The owner of the bar. One of the owners of the bar came over, was like, yeah, just. You're cool. Like, Zeus is a friend. Just make sure that you don't fire it. And I was like, you a are fucking way more chill than I ever would have thought. It's a boob. There's nothing in it. This. We can't. We couldn't fire that if we wanted to.

[Donut Operator]

Some managers come up don't worry. I said, don't fire. Thanks. It's covered.

[Hunter]

And then I think, don't fire. I got drunk and I'm dressed like. Like me. And I just started sitting at the front door on a stool, pretending like I was a security guard and IDing people as they were coming in.

[Cody]

And nobody questioned that one chick that she showed her ID and she was like, 20.

[Hunter]

Yeah.

[Cody]

And you were just like, honestly, this isn't my job.

[Brandon Herrera]

Close enough.

[Hunter]

It was like, 20, 21. 20, 22 at this point in time. And she was born in, like, 2004. And I was like. The math was so easy. I was hammered. And I did it instantly. I was like, you're not 21. And she just looks at me and I go, all right, here you go.

[Brandon Herrera]

I like your spirit.

[Cody]

K. The balls to show your real ID to a bouncer when you're like, 18.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's a crazy. Like, just the whole bar security. Because the one guy saw you walking in and was like, it's in God's hands now. And then after that, the guy who showed up with the guy with the rocket launcher is just letting people in the door, and he's like, so be it.

[Cody]

The guy has a rocket launcher, too.

[Brandon Herrera]

The guy has a rocket launcher. What am I going to do?

[Cody]

I have the talking tube.

[Brandon Herrera]

You should have been checking out.

[Cody]

That is a shirt.

[Brandon Herrera]

I have the talking to.

[Cody]

That merch is now available on Bunker Brandon.

[Donut Operator]

I have the talking to get that going.

[Hunter]

So I remember.

[Donut Operator]

At least I have the talking to.

[Brandon Herrera]

You should have been holding it while you were checking id.

[Hunter]

I mean, to be fair, like, if. If the cops showed up, it'd be like, all right, I need to see everybody. Is that a rocket launcher?

[Cody]

The cops are normally like, yo, can I check that?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Most of the time they're like, chill. When I was in. When I was up in North Carolina doing the disaster relief stuff and all that, I remember we were walking to a school and everyone was like, kit, like, carriers. This is like, a couple days afterwards. And rifles cop comes up and he was like, hey, you boys need anything? We're like, no, we're just going to the school. He's like, all right, let's know if you need anything. Appreciate y'all. And just drove off.

[Cody]

The big city mind could never.

[Brandon Herrera]

Could never comprehend yeah, Strange world, strange times.

[Cody]

Too bad that day.

[Wendigoon]

I'm very interested, dude. I am super interested to know what you've been doing up in the Appalachians with the. The hurricane relief things that you've been doing, like what's going on?

[Brandon Herrera]

I. I appreciate that. I also didn't mean to bring that up as a segue. I was on the cops. Cool. But as a segue. Appreciate it. I'm sure he did.

[Donut Operator]

Medal of honor in this.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's all going according to plan. No.

[Cody]

So about that. How much goes to administrative cost. How much do you pocket personally?

[Brandon Herrera]

Thank you all for watching the show. I appreciate it.

[Cody]

Who has the tokens? Haley get creep cabs and unsubscribe are higher than your podcast.

[Donut Operator]

Now there's corporation I said on a.

[Brandon Herrera]

Creepcast episode said by the end of the year creepcast has not passed last talk to a podcast I will myself live on air. So thank God she did a crypto scheme.

[Cody]

Haley Welch kept you out of heaven. Talk to a St. Peter.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because.

[Donut Operator]

St. Peter be so confused the.

[Brandon Herrera]

Are you doing here I died 2000.

[Cody]

Years ago with the do these words.

[Brandon Herrera]

Mean me explaining to a 13th century peasant who went to hell for lust what talk to us. And meme coins are talking to a.

[Wendigoon]

Roman peasant who stole an onion. All right.

[Brandon Herrera]

We're being here for there's this thing called the blockchain that you can meanwhile.

[Cody]

Mahatma Gandhi is just like all right.

[Brandon Herrera]

She was doing a street interview in Nashville and made a real advantage.

[Hunter]

The coinbase is like the king's garden. Really like.

[Cody]

Jesus.

[Brandon Herrera]

You had senators. Right. Just imagine she was one of those same things.

[Hunter]

How are you helping with disaster relief?

[Brandon Herrera]

I believe was that was a thank you. Yeah.

[Hunter]

I'm sorry.

[Brandon Herrera]

We went like 15 minutes. I'm proud of us before. So yeah the disaster relief stuff. So for those who don't know North Carolina especially, but most of like southern Appalachia got really hard. Got hit really hard by Hurricane Helene. North Carolina alone sustained. I think it's $52 billion in damages. Roadways and houses and stuff. Current death toll is in. I think it's. I think it capped 250 the other day or past it. But like the missing people's numbers goes anywhere from. From like 40 to like several hundred. So I think it'll be a long time before they have like a solid number for what the damage was. But I had a bunch of friends who lived in the region. So a bunch of like houses got destroyed and or like not their houses didn't get destroyed. People around their houses got destroyed. Some of my friends had house damage but all their stuff still livable. So I went with them to do disaster relief stuff and while I was there just felt led to partner with them to create a charity a Non profit. To basically fund what they were already doing in the region. Because a lot of my friends were just paying out of pocket to like get people temporary housing, put people stuff back together, which was really generous, but not very sustainable. Yeah, so it was kind of like, let's put together a non profit. Let's get funds so we can try to help these people out. So yeah, we've been doing a ton of stuff. We've been rebuilding a bunch of houses, been getting people like, whose houses are completely gone, things like campers, temporary living situations and stuff like that. Even little stuff like Christmas coming up. We like holding a toy drive. Some of the like spruce, pine and stuff like that. Try to get people. So just all kinds of stuff for a community that needs a lot of help right now. But yeah, that flood was wild.

[Donut Operator]

How much raised during that process.

[Brandon Herrera]

So we did. I made a YouTube video and then I did a merch drop. And the profits from the merch went to that as well as like raw donations. And between like that and the videos, ad rev and sponsor and all that. I think we're over a quarter million now. I think so.

[Wendigoon]

Let's go.

[Brandon Herrera]

Dude, that number. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

No, that's. You were on the ground too. Like, as you were saying. You're not just doing it behind the screen. That's what we do. You were actually on the ground, like, wow. Well, we suck 100.

[Cody]

Well, nobody needed to be under that bus.

[Donut Operator]

I threw us all under that.

[Brandon Herrera]

There was a bus and he was like, let's go.

[Donut Operator]

I just seen the bus.

[Cody]

No, I have a. I'm coming, Haley.

[Hunter]

Yeah, we're dropping cum coin next week actually.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm coming, Hawk. It's so funny to just call her Hawk. You don't know the name.

[Cody]

Mrs. Tua. Talk.

[Hunter]

The fact that people, people fell for the hawk to a pump and dump will never be beaten there.

[Brandon Herrera]

There was one tweet that was like, I love talk to a. But I invested my life savings into this and I could not quit laughing. It was like just that alone. Imagine explaining that to a Roman peasant.

[Donut Operator]

Well, we're just closing that book.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, no, no, good try, good try.

[Donut Operator]

I'm assuming it's a lever and then they fall down to shoot.

[Cody]

Also the phra Walk to a pump and dump. Jesus Christ.

[Donut Operator]

Who would have foreseen this rug pull.

[Cody]

Fuck it. I should call her kind of moment.

[Brandon Herrera]

I should call.

[Hunter]

Oh, no.

[Brandon Herrera]

Unprecedented times, gentlemen.

[Cody]

Just that sentence alone would kill a Victorian child.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I think so. I remember as soon as that happened, my Wife sent me the tweet about it, like. Like, whatever. Like, haley Welch, crypto scheme, whatever. And she sends it to me and says, the brightest stars burn the quickest.

[Hunter]

My wife texts me about it, and she's like, what is. Why is she in trouble? And I get. She knows nothing about crypto. I go, this is going to take me at least 20 minutes to explain the background. She's like, I don't care. All right, good.

[Donut Operator]

I love you.

[Cody]

That's called marital king communication.

[Brandon Herrera]

You don't want this to happen. What's about happening? You don't mean it.

[Cody]

Imagine if you were a crypto bro. It's kind of one of those, like, you asked about a train. It's like, honey, buckle up. You can't control the next 20 minutes, and I'm not stopping till I'm done.

[Brandon Herrera]

You asked about a train, but on.

[Donut Operator]

The ground, helping people.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, on the ground. Thank you. This side's the angel on my shoulder, and this side's the devil on my shoulder. They share a lot. Angel's a strong word. But anyway.

[Cody]

Join me.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was there for a little while, but now most of what I'm doing is just administrative board member stuff. Like, my friends who are also board members are like. They're working, like, laboring every day as a part of it. So I don't. Like, yes, I was there. But they are the ones who are there there, right? They're the ones who are doing a lot of the work, coordinating money and resources and things like that. I just made a YouTube video and put some money up, which was definitely something within my wheelhouse I was able to do. But it's a lot easier to make a YouTube video than it is to repair a church for three weeks when you don't know how to repair a church, which is like, what all my friends are doing. Yeah, yeah, I'm done with the video. I'm like, no need to thank me. While they're all, like, sweating and digging out the basement.

[Donut Operator]

I did that.

[Cody]

The second recovery fund really just didn't go as well.

[Donut Operator]

It's still super awesome to see you on the ground and, like, doing that. That was like. Well, we all were like, holy homeboy's killing.

[Brandon Herrera]

I appreciate it, but I mean, at the same time, like, you know, if your neighbor has a tree fall in their yard, I'd like to think. I know the guys at this table are the kind of guys to go help them pull it out. It was just a lot of neighbors and a lot of trees all at once.

[Cody]

It's a good way of putting it.

[Brandon Herrera]

And a lot of water. Whole lot of water.

[Cody]

Like, yeah, because it was. It's just like people make fun of us. They're like, oh, we get snowstorms in the north all the time. Like, why is it such a big deal in Texas? It's like, well, the infrastructure is just not there for it. It's just like, yeah. How often do you get fucking huge hurricanes in the goddamn mountains?

[Brandon Herrera]

Eight hours inland or seven hours inland.

[Cody]

It just. It doesn't happen.

[Brandon Herrera]

Historically there a bunch of people who were there had worked like Katrina. They had worked, Ivan, a bunch of. Of like big hurricanes. And they said this is one of the. Like, obviously the kill count of this wasn't as high as something like Katrina. Katrina's was so massive because you have such a concentrated number of people getting hit at once. And the levees broke, so the whole city went underwater. But in the mountains, they're like, this is one of the most devastating ecological ones we've ever seen. Because the water has nowhere to go. If you have a hurricane hit the coast a few days after the hurricane's done, the water levels recede. Right? Right. But in the mountains it just kept cascading and like the rivers stayed up and just kept causing problems.

[Cody]

What were the mosquitoes like?

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh my gosh, they were.

[Cody]

What was standing water everywhere?

[Brandon Herrera]

What was really everywhere the whole time was yellow jackets. Because all of them got flooded everywhere once. And every single one you came across was like, you did this. You're the reason I don't have a home anymore. What's up face? The whole time you're outside, you're like fighting these things like off constantly. Cuz they're all mad. They were everywhere. There's a bunch of mosquitoes. Yellers.

[Cody]

I like, I'm just trying. Yeller with a hard arc.

[Donut Operator]

Why did you make bees racist?

[Cody]

He just like just repairing. That's.

[Brandon Herrera]

Repairing out of nowhere.

[Cody]

Just a yellow jacket.

[Brandon Herrera]

They were, they were mad the whole time. We. We had a bunch. It was weird. You had a bunch of people like getting sick because there's people who like relied on like river water and stuff like that, but now like the river's full of like E. Coli and a bunch of people again, like Legionnaires disease and stuff like that. Like a bunch of people are getting sick.

[Cody]

I'm actually not familiar with Legionnaires.

[Hunter]

What's that?

[Brandon Herrera]

It's. My wife has a better explanation for this. It's basically like a flu. It comes from the Legionella bacteria. So it causes like Intense stomach problems and stuff like that. Think like a heavy flu. You throw up a lot and stuff like that.

[Wendigoon]

Mostly from, like, standing water.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, what mostly happened is you had water levels get higher than they've ever been, at least since, like, the community's been set up and stuff like that. So you had all of this runoff going into the water from farms, from houses and stuff. So you've got a lot of, like, poop getting in the water. You have a lot of, like, dead animals and stuff getting in the water. Because rivers that went from, like, crystal clear, you can see all the way to the bottom are now. They look like mud. I guess. Yeah.

[Cody]

I thought it was gonna be something cool story like World War I, French Foreign Legion or some like that.

[Hunter]

My brain immediately went to, like, Roman legionnaires. I was like, there's some cool.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, I'm sorry, but no. It's. It was weird seeing, like, issues like that because it's weird to be in, like, the modern. Because there. There was one community we went to where there was a few houses cut off on the other side of a river because the bridge got taken out, which these floodwaters got so bad, they were just taking out, like, concrete bridges as they went. And there was a family on the other side who came down to the river to wash their clothes and then got so sick from putting on clothes that had been the river water. They had to get evac'd by helicopter. Jesus. It's like you don't think about that kind of thing, like in a flood, people getting like, intense stomach illness and stuff. Stuff.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, like you said, it's good. It's got like. And dead. Dead things mixed into it. That's wild, dude. My favorite thing about watching the community come together up there is when the government was like, yeah, you can't build a road through here. And you have all these Appalachian boys and backos and bulldozers are like, no, we're building a road. And they're just going through all these government blockades to build roads.

[Brandon Herrera]

After like a week or two, nearly everywhere either got cleared out by people who had their own equipment, or they made a new one through the woods. Like, there's one. That same community we went to where the bridge was cut off the roadway to get in. Looked like a bomb went off. You had this pavement roadway that went along the side of a mountain that now what used to be a 30 foot ravine is now just shattered all the way across it. So there's. Even if you could get the equipment to rebuild a Road, there's no more hillside to build the road on. You have to blast out the rock and again, so it's like you can't build there. But a bunch of guys with like four wheelers and bulldozers and stuff just went straight through the woods over the top of the hill, just tore up trees and stuff like that. So they were getting four wheelers in and out of the region like everywhere. You either had people like, okay, we can't use the road, we're going to build a new one. Now I talked about a lot in the video so I won't re hammer the same point. But the level of community was, it was insane. Like I did everybody drinking. Yeah, like it was community. Everyone. If like people weren't actively like injured, they were helping. And then people who did like the lady who was running the aid station lost her and her husband lost their business, their vehicles and their home. And then they went to a school for shelter and started running an aid station out of the shelter. Like everyone who was helping out also lost everything, but they were just in line with everyone else. It was insane. It was really awe inspiring to see that level of togetherness. People are cool.

[Donut Operator]

That's a rare thing to see. Like it is almost like what happened after 9, 11. It's usually like big disaster happens, everyone rallies. But you guys are so remote anyways. I'm assuming in those areas where it is actually tight knit community.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is tight knit communities for sure. It's very much so. Like you trust your neighbor, you know, say say hi and bye, you know, as you pass and stuff like that. But even then, and like community to this degree was near unheard of. We'd be like 30 miles outside of like, you know, the main road or at least 30 miles, like counting the path to get up there. And we would come across another group of guys we've never met before who are also like on dirt bikes, taking water, food, stuff like that. And in the first few days of it it'd be like, okay, what do you have? It's like, well we have a doctor at this location. We have some supplies we're trying to get. Like, do you have any insulin? It's like, oh yeah, we have insulin at this location. So we were setting up like dead drops and like time hacks for when we were going to meet each other and stuff like that. There were guys coming back to base, we were like, did you meet anyone? And my buddy rolls up his sleeve, he's like, there's a doctor up so and so Road who says they have medicine for blah, blah. He was just like taking notes on his arm as they were out and stuff like that. It was wild. Especially because, like all communications were down. So to do anything, we just communicated with time hacks because that's all we had. So we would go up, we had a whiteboard set up at our base camp and it was like, we're going like, I am with so and so and so and so. We're going to these three places. We will be back here by 4pm if we're not back here by 4pm, come look for us. Right.

[Donut Operator]

It's literally like a, like an apocalypse scenario.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Like, hey, we don't have comms or anything. Here's where we're going.

[Brandon Herrera]

I did have this weird moment where we were like in the middle of nowhere. I was hiking dog food up to this group of people and we came across this other group who was also looking for people to help. And they were like, we need more. If you have any, like gasoline. We could use gasoline for storage. And like we were trying to coordinate people at like insulin and stuff. So we were like, we could do an exchange, like, like gasoline for insulin and stuff. And I'm like, where am I right now? This is weird.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

And it's like, cool. Well, well. And then as we're talking, because at this point this was like a weekend or a little over a weekend, the like government was sending a bunch of like starting to send aid coordinate, stuff like that. So as we're doing all of this, there's like Chinooks all over the place. It's like, as we're talking to each other, like a low flying Chinook, like stuff. I'm like, wait, this is so weird.

[Cody]

I'm just like, the video game.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm in the video game. It's like I'm in North Carolina. It's strange range, you know, it's weird.

[Donut Operator]

That'd be wild.

[Cody]

To be fair, like America, as somebody who grew up in North Carolina seeing Chiducks all the time and not trusting your neighbors and everybody having guns pointed at each other and like bartering, like, that was pretty much just what it was like.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was just life in the mountains. Wild.

[Wendigoon]

But they're bartering Crack, not insulin.

[Brandon Herrera]

A little bit different.

[Donut Operator]

Insulin for gasoline, ebt.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was weird.

[Cody]

I've seen, I've seen it.

[Brandon Herrera]

There was one point because my buddies who we were running basically a operations out of his dad's house. His dad was former military, so he had a bunch of connections and he told the army what we needed. So the army started sending in supplies through a Chinook. So it's like me, a YouTuber, just a bunch of, like, rednecks, like, throwing out smoke, landing a Chinook. And they. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Given wrong signals like this.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think it wrecks. This looks right. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

What's up, boys? It's the trade off. My dad's kind of a big deal.

[Cody]

You're an all multicam, though. So, like the guys trusting your instructions, you crash a shino. Oh, no.

[Brandon Herrera]

There was one point we were out in the middle of nowhere.

[Donut Operator]

He's like, I don't know. He's wearing multi king.

[Cody]

He looks legit.

[Brandon Herrera]

We were walking in the. We were walking the middle of the woods to deliver something. And we're next to a river and this super low flying, like, biplane. Not military or anything. Just like a, you know, some yokel's plane. Like, it's like eye level with us, like 20ft off the water. And he's going to the end of the COVID and he's not pulling up. And none of us said anything. And my friend goes, I was like, starting to pull my phone up. And my friend goes, are you ready to run really fast? I think we're about to watch crash. I have to go help that guy. Yeah. It was strange. It was unprecedented times, for sure. It was very weird. It was weird like. Like I said, like walking on the side of the road and the police are like, let us know if you need anything. They were so low on manpower, the local police, because most of them either had cadaver dogs or, you know, they were coordinating with military or something like that. They asked if we could take rifles and go guard a couple of the aid stations. Just because we were people they knew in the community. Yeah. And we were like, yeah, sure. Because the day prior, one aid station had been robbed at gunpoint. And there's another story down the road of one getting robbed at knife point. Like, we can't spare the manpower. Can you go, like, hold a rifle and stand down there? Like, yes.

[Cody]

Hey, Kyle, I got a job.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, my gosh.

[Hunter]

I'm gonna need two rubber gloves and a backwards hat.

[Wendigoon]

There's some riders down here, buddy.

[Cody]

Uniform, od, green jeans.

[Brandon Herrera]

Now, there was. There was like an inverse effect of that because. So like, that was the first week, maybe ten days of it, and then after that, it was to the point where there was like, you know, police from other areas. Areas had come in and there's enough government that's like, okay, let's not hold Guns in front of grandma and grandpa unless we have to. So, like, we step back from it. But as soon as that phase hit, a bunch of people from outside the area who got word that it was like Mad Max, do whatever you want started showing up. There were guys at like aid stations who were doing like threat patrols in the woods right outside of them. Like, guys like two weeks in, like, all the roads are open up. People like, oh, here's food and water, whatever. And they'd be in like full body armor, like walking like through people's backyards.

[Cody]

I saw videos and shit like that where guys are like on the way to North Carolina to do relief. And I'm looking at their loadout. It's like, no medical.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes.

[Cody]

No, no, no supplies, no nothing. It's a dude with a shitty built PSA, AR15 and a full combat loadout. I'm like, all right. If you want to say like, okay, your garden, a station, and you want like a gun and a couple mags, like, it's reasonable, it's fine. But like 360 rounds and we would.

[Brandon Herrera]

Keep it around our backs. We weren't like going up to kids like, hi, how are you?

[Cody]

Low. Ready?

[Brandon Herrera]

Did you lose, did you lose your pet dog? That's sad. Like, no. It's like, you know, we try to be respectful of it.

[Hunter]

Wait, Hunter was there.

[Brandon Herrera]

Do what?

[Hunter]

Hunter was there?

[Brandon Herrera]

No, Hunter was there.

[Donut Operator]

Yes, he was. He was the one leading the charge.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh my God.

[Cody]

You see, like, grandpa Hot Wheels doing a wheelie in the cul de sac and speeding up.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was him. He caused the flood.

[Donut Operator]

Actually, it was his Chinooking his grandpa.

[Brandon Herrera]

I didn't. Hunter.

[Cody]

Just as a reminder, we. We actually do love Hunter. He's a friend.

[Hunter]

Did you get to work with any like, lineman or anybody coming in to fix power or anything?

[Brandon Herrera]

So one of my close friends who lives up there is a lineman in the region. Region. So that guy was like working like 16 hour shifts. Yeah. Non stop every day. And his wife, they actually just had their kid like a few weeks ago, but she was like nine months pregnant when this happened. So one of the first things when like the power went out and everything, everyone's like, where is she? Is she okay? Someone go find her. And then we go find her. And she's like, yeah, I can say his name. It doesn't matter. Trey. Trey's fine. He's out like repairing lines. That guy works non stop.

[Donut Operator]

Shout out to Trey. Those dudes.

[Brandon Herrera]

All of them?

[Hunter]

Yeah, all of those dudes are crazy. When the Roads are shut down like that. Like you can. There's traffic jams and it's literally just utility company line trucks with booms ready to come in and get power places. Those dudes are awesome.

[Cody]

Think about how many people die for every, you know, 24 hours without power.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, no joke. Especially up here because you had so many people who like had medicine in their refrigerators they relied on. You have a bunch of people. Because like when I say roads were gone, I mean there's like a 20 foot hole where the road used to be. So it's like if grandma and grandpa live up there, good luck, right? And if you don't have power, you can't go look for them at night. Still raining, you know, what are you gonna do? So like power was a huge deal. I think if I remember right, it was something like 4 million customers lost power, which is like insane numbers again for an inland part of the mountains. So it was a huge deal to get power back on. And like, my friend who lived there was obviously working all the time because that's his turf. But like a couple days afterwards, we had power line crews coming in from like New York, Florida, Oklahoma, all over the country. There was a dude there from Canada who brought a bunch of supplies to help.

[Cody]

That was rad to see. A lot of the guys from Florida that were like, look, we mostly fixed our shit because it hit them harder, but they had the infrastructure for it. They're ready. Because that happened every year in Florida. And it was cool seeing the videos where they're just like, hey guys, I know like everybody's been working around the clock here, but there's people that are dying in North Carolina. As long as everybody's cool with it, we're all just gonna rally up and fucking head up.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Which is really.

[Brandon Herrera]

That, that, that was, it was so cool to not only see like my community come together, but everyone like push efforts in at the same time. I remember like a few days because it was like the storm hit and no one knew how bad it was for like a couple days or at least. I wasn't on Twitter or anything, so I wasn't checking or anything like that.

[Donut Operator]

Well, yeah, I tapered back and then it was like, oh no, this is actually worse than we thought.

[Cody]

And it's gonna go way well.

[Brandon Herrera]

What everyone got told the day of is that there's gonna be some rain. And then they had a six hour window. I mean, they weren't wrong, they were right. They had a six hour window from this is going to be Enough that you need to be careful to the swarm being there. So, like, where are you going in six hours, right, if you're staring at the news to hear that?

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it just crept up on a bunch of people and it hit the worst over the first night. So it was. It just came out of nowhere for so many. And I didn't know how bad it was for a couple days. I heard that there was some flood, but I didn't see a lot of it. And then. So I was in a group chat with my friends and I was actually on my anniversary when it hit. And my.

[Cody]

Oh, no.

[Brandon Herrera]

My wife and I, we were at the Ritz in New Orleans. So it's like a big fancy dinner, big fancy hotel and that I heard.

[Cody]

So just picturing you, chest hair and all, just like in a fucking bubble bath with a flat bottle of champagne.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was literally in a suit at dinner. Like, like, at, like, it was like super, like, ritzy. Whatever.

[Cody]

I was thinking a scarf face.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Yeah, pretty much I'm the bad guy. And we were at dinner and I saw a tweet that was like, oh, suspected flood damage in North Carolina. So I sent the group chat, all my friends who live in the region a picture of my food and said, you know, my soup was kind of cold, so I'm suffering too, in a way.

[Cody]

Aged like milk.

[Brandon Herrera]

They immediately start sending messages and they're like, if you have a phone signal, call this number. Let them know Charlene's alive. She's going to contact when they can. Here's a picture of so and so's house. We can't find his daughter. We don't know where.

[Cody]

And I'm just like, when Deon unsent.

[Donut Operator]

Message, I was like.

[Brandon Herrera]

When group chat, like, oh, no. And then when I got there the day of, I was like, is everyone okay? And he was. My buddy who lives there was like, I saw the soup message you miss every now and then, you know, at.

[Hunter]

Least it was a group message and not a tweet.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, my gosh.

[Hunter]

That would have never ended.

[Cody]

In praise of shadows, like, yes, again.

[Donut Operator]

I was thinking about that, actually.

[Brandon Herrera]

About what?

[Hunter]

The in praise of shadow situation. How does it feel? Because I feel like we all make YouTube videos. We're all cons. At least me. Every morning I wake up, I'm like, all right, it's today. Today I get canceled. All right, looks good. Perfect. And relief. How does it feel to have another pretty decent sized youtuber come at you hard and then be completely unscathed?

[Cody]

I mean, that guy rolled it too.

[Wendigoon]

Like.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like the me being unscathed.

[Hunter]

Like, literally watching it from the sidelines. It was like a boxing match, you versus him. And then the bell rang and the crowd grabbed him and ripped him apart. And you're just standing there like.

[Brandon Herrera]

So. Yeah, so he had a lot of problems with me. Made them very clear in the video. I remember when I initially saw. Because I saw the title of the video and I saw my face in the thumbnail and was like, oh, no. And then so I, like, scrub through the video till I get to my point. And I remember listening to it and being like, oh, this isn't really. Like, it's nothing to be worried about. Right?

[Cody]

Yeah. I'm like, he didn't find the group chat.

[Brandon Herrera]

He didn't find the group chat. Yeah, exactly. He didn't find the group chat. We're making fun of flood people. Like, my soup is cold. So I was like, well, this is probably fine. And then I left a comment that was to the. Because the only thing he said in there that really bothered me was he perpetuated the Sneako thing about Brandon Buckingham. And I know that has caused a ton of damage to, like. Like, Brandon Buckingham, like, personal relationships and stuff.

[Cody]

I'm vaguely familiar. A quick recap without hashing up any.

[Donut Operator]

Brandon's a good side note. Brandon, we like Buckingham.

[Cody]

Yeah, he's cool.

[Brandon Herrera]

Buckingham, he's one of. One of the best friends that I've made on this platform along with you guys and stuff like that.

[Cody]

Like, good people, genuine person.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, very deeply genuine. That guy has, like, a heart of gold. Like, he's truly inspiring. But he got into, like, a fight with Sneako. He was trying to get Sneako to box him and Sneako wouldn't. And then Sneako, Brandon had made some tweet or, like, post to the effect of, like, oh, better watch your girl or something like that. Because there was the whole joke about Sneako. Whatever. And then Sneako made it out that Brandon had threatened to assault his girl, and it became a whole deal and stuff. So In Praise of Shadows echoed that in the video is just, like, a thing that happened. So that was the one. The only reason I wasn't gonna comment, but when he said that, I was like, okay, I should probably say something.

[Cody]

I think he came after all of us individually, just, like, by association.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, you guys, again, angel and Devil, you guys were fine. You two.

[Donut Operator]

I have never met a fan on the assets.

[Brandon Herrera]

To the surprise.

[Cody]

To the surprise of no one.

[Donut Operator]

I don't think about that either. It's just the devils over there.

[Cody]

We're like, hey, guys, we're like the at&t bars of cancellation.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, hold on. I want to sit over there.

[Donut Operator]

Hold on.

[Brandon Herrera]

But yeah, that was the only reason I left a comment. And then it wasn't really anything I felt like I needed to defend. It was basically like, I don't like him. And I'm like, what am I going to be like? Like me? Yeah.

[Cody]

We talked about it a little before, but it was my favorite part of that where he's just like. So the. Obviously everyone from the Appalachian mountains judges people based on race and where they're from. And I'm just like, that is such a tone deaf sentence.

[Brandon Herrera]

Just. Yeah.

[Cody]

Excuse me while I objectify this group of people based on where they live.

[Hunter]

Seven states or like nine states, whatever it is.

[Cody]

He literally said, like, unless proven otherwise. It's like, are you.

[Brandon Herrera]

There was certainly some rough stuff in there. There you are.

[Donut Operator]

So kind. Even you're right now, like, you're like.

[Brandon Herrera]

Here'S, here's the thing.

[Donut Operator]

Just a good dude. That's why I love you, buddy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, here's the thing, right? The only thing that really bothers me about people, the only kind of person that I can meet and be like, I'm not going to be friends with this guy. I can't talk to skin.

[Cody]

Come on over here.

[Brandon Herrera]

You start moving your chairs around.

[Wendigoon]

Get on my lap after that.

[Brandon Herrera]

To the left.

[Hunter]

That's a great segue. Like, we've talked a lot about your racist past. Let's talk about your racist future. Where do you see this going, actually?

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, no.

[Cody]

You have started to use Twitter a lot. I'm very concerned.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. The one thing.

[Hunter]

You were being nice after somebody made a 38 smear video about you, right?

[Brandon Herrera]

So the, the one thing that 38 minute.

[Cody]

Not like a John Lennon thing.

[Hunter]

Yeah, no, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Tom Lennon thing.

[Cody]

38 smear. I just read Catcher in the.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's still drawing. Look.

[Donut Operator]

Devil side still makes him laugh.

[Hunter]

You're catching all the jokes.

[Brandon Herrera]

I guess the only thing that really prevent that, like I feel like I'm not gonna be able to get along with someone is if they're just like a completely unprincipled person. Right? Like, if someone doesn't really believe in anything or they say they believe in something, they just don't act on it, right? Like, there's a few. There's very few situations where, like, I've cut people out. And most of the time that's happened over people just breaking. Breaking promises, like cheating on their spouse, stuff like that. It's like, I just. I can't get behind it. Right.

[Cody]

The two things I hate is hypocrites and alcoholics.

[Brandon Herrera]

Hey, if you talked about how you didn't drink all the time, that that would apply, but you are an honest man through and through.

[Cody]

That's what I try to tell people. Like, whatever you see on the podcast, one on what you see is what you get. It's really. It's just like hanging out with us.

[Brandon Herrera]

There's no. There's no second face. Yeah. Because, I mean, a lot of people have second faces and like, maybe, you know, yeah, I'm not gonna be rude to anyone for no reason. Smile and get along, but as long as someone's legitimate, right?

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

And this, this is so weird to say, but during the entire In Praise of Shadows video, I never felt that he was faking it. I know. I never felt that guy was like, I am adopting these opinions because they are the common consensus. It's what the Internet wants to hear. Right. I truly believe in everything that he said. That he believed it. And I think even if, like, I'll get to that in a second. Even if later, like, some points he was like, I didn't stand by or like, I went too far with the speech and stuff like that, it all came from him. It wasn't him just lying and stuff like that.

[Cody]

He just had nuclear grade bad takes.

[Brandon Herrera]

I am sure if me and him sat down and talked, talked, we would disagree on like, at least half the stuff we talk about. But at the same time, we're both from Appalachia, we're both Christian. Right. And it's like, I can't.

[Cody]

Is that guy an open Christian? No. That's surprising. Just based on. I guess you build a phenotype around people like the guy based on a lot of he said, like, he was talking about, like, some of that stuff. He went really far. He's like, we need to excommunicate conservative people out of horror. Like, some of that stuff. I was like, man, even if I don't agree with you, like, that's. I would never say, like, we need to get left wing people out of this thing we all enjoy. Like, that's a very strange statement.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think it's like he was so dead set on proving his point. He kept exaggerating points and stuff. I'm not trying to sit here and say, like, he should have said what he said or justify the video. It was awfully slandered. A bunch of my friends. Stuff like that obviously we don't give a. I know you guys don't care, but it did kind of. It did kind of suck to, like, watch someone, like, attack me and then move on to people I like. Right? And, like, so obviously there was a bunch of. I disagreed with a bunch I didn't like, but I never felt like he was lying. Basically. I felt like it was all coming from him, so I can never really hate him over that.

[Cody]

You were the whole time, Dumbo. It was in. You didn't need the feather.

[Wendigoon]

Every time Isaiah agrees with you, it's like, thanks, Satan.

[Donut Operator]

It was wild watching that dude, like, double down. And he put in a lot of time and effort into that video. That means he. He really. When you didn't upload it pissed him off to a degree. I'm amazed by.

[Cody]

It was the ultimate monkey's paw wish because you could tell, like, he wasn't doing very well. Like, with his YouTube channel. He's like, I just want a video to get a lot of views. And it did.

[Hunter]

Like, two days later, I like, you're.

[Donut Operator]

Just like, don't cut to Isaiah during this entire part.

[Hunter]

Chase his discord Two days later when he's like, you guys think I can come back from this discord?

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like, probably not.

[Cody]

He did the irl like, chad, am I cooked?

[Brandon Herrera]

Anyway, he. So I. I don't know. I never hated the guy. Right. And then a little bit later, he reached out to me and he apologized.

[Donut Operator]

That's.

[Brandon Herrera]

He said. He said he was very sorry. He explained a lot that I don't want to talk about publicly, but he explained a lot about his private life at the time that had his. He was going through a lot. It was pretty tense. And he had a bunch of people from my audience who I do not support who were saying some very nasty things about him and stuff. Like, among the nicer ones, like, oh, when doon wannabe. Stuff like that. And he just. He just got down this headspace that he admitted to me was wrong and in his credit.

[Cody]

Oh, before he made the video, he made the video. Oh, so he was already just, like, spiraling about.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah. He was having a lot go wrong in his life and he was convinced, like. And again, like, this is why I say, like, legitimacy is like, the one thing that. That kind of matters to me because I don't know someone else's upbringing. I don't know what kind of media they've been exposed to. I don't know what kind of inflexes they've been exposed to someone can be left, right, whatever. And I think honestly, they can both be good people, even if they hate each other. It's just the stimuli they've had to point them against each other for so many years. And that's what's so frustrating to me about politics and news cycles and everything. But if there is a person down there somewhere, then that person can still come out. And within praise of shadows, I saw that person come out. He was very earnest with me. And me and him had a long talk about our faith, our like, you know, personal lives and stuff like that. And I really do believe he was in a bad mental space that he has come out of since then. And he recognized he was wrong and was like, I'm sorry. And to his credit, he took down the video and then he took some time off and then came back with a public apology on a second channel where he's like, I shouldn't have done that. Now he's just making videos. So.

[Cody]

Well, you know, we hope he's doing better.

[Donut Operator]

I mean, that is like scenario. That's why I love you. If that's that level of forgiveness, if.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was a guy who was like a grifter, right? If he was just like, whatever makes me money and he made that takedown video, I would be. I'd be like, yeah, get wrecked, whatever, right? But I do think he, as much as I disagree with it, I think he meant what he said. And to me, that's like the biggest tell of a person, right?

[Donut Operator]

It's the echo chamber that they're surrounded by. And if echo chambers are crazy to watch because that, that is your entire perspective and whatever they're feeding you, you will fall into that and then that you feed off that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, like. Like, sure, people can disagree on points and get like really bent out of shape about it, but at the end of the day, it's like you are both people. There are very few people in this world who are like, I am so right that I want other people to suffer. It is most often I believe in this thing. I care about these people. I want to see them get better. This is how I think do it. And then of course, if you thought, think the thing you're doing is what helps people, then the person wanting the opposite is going to be the enemy. But from their fence, it's just a mirror, right? And that's why it's what's so frustrating about it. But yeah, like, if anyone's an earnest person, I'll have a conversation with them. And I think it Was, too.

[Cody]

That's actually something interesting, if I could just mention it for a quick second. The, Like, Tony Gonzalez with my. After my congressional campaign, because me and him went, especially toward the end, like, those last, like, two months, it was.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was pretty rough.

[Cody]

It was intense.

[Hunter]

You know, cattle.

[Cody]

The gloves came off, and we were. We were duking it out. And that was something that I.

[Donut Operator]

That was like.

[Hunter]

I mean, me watching. I felt like you kept the gloves on.

[Cody]

Well, there's some things.

[Hunter]

Cody took his.

[Donut Operator]

Other devil attack.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

I was lucky enough to have an IR laser that I'm just, like, over there. But, yeah, I kept the gloves on for a lot of my stuff. Most of my stuff was positive or whatever, but, like, really, like. Like, it. I mean, 10 to 12 million dollars was spent to slander me in my hometown or, like, where I live. Like, that's. It was not great.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I understand the animosity. Yeah.

[Cody]

Yeah. Like, that's something that even, like, a lot of my friends, I think harbor more animosity than I do. And I like. And I understand it because, like, I get the game, but I. Ever since then, like, the next, like, two, three days later. I don't think I've ever mentioned this on the podcast, but we had lunch. Like, we had dinner or something. Just sat down, like, had a couple beer and talked a bunch of things out. He's come to the shop since. And, like, we sat down. Like, we talked policy, we talked about the race, and a lot of it was just us swapping stories about how hard it is to campaign in the district and, like, little, like, shit that only you would know if you ran for Congress in the area. And that was kind of cool to humanize and whatnot, but there was never a point where it was. There was, like, hatred toward the other person. And I still like me and him probably. There's a lot we disagree on still to this day. Like, the reasons I ran is because I didn't agree with a lot of his stances, and I just. I wanted that to be voiced. But, like, we still probably talk at least maybe once a month, which I think is healthy.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're not sacrificing your principles for his. You're just recognizing another person with principles. Right?

[Cody]

Yeah. I'm not saying, like, hey, this is my new best friend. I agree with everything he does. It's absolutely not that, but.

[Brandon Herrera]

And at the same time, like, it's. It's so cool what you said about, like, there's not a lot of people, you know, who also ran for representation Representative in San Antonio, right? Yeah. Except this guy. So now you have, like, a common ground over that. You have, like, this rapport built with each other, even. Even if accidentally, that's. That's really cool.

[Cody]

We'll make jokes about, like, Loving county, for example. Like, this county, like, five hours west of here that, like, has a population of, like, 54 people, and it's one of the. The 29 counties in the district. And it's like little shit like that you would never be able to joke about.

[Brandon Herrera]

No one else would get it.

[Cody]

No. Yeah. And I mean, it's kind of cool, but it's. It's nice to be able to meet people on that, like, I guess that parlay ground.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's really. That's really cool, man. I'm proud of you. That's very. Thanks, dad. Oh, that's very sweet.

[Cody]

That's all I wanted.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm proud of you, dad. No, it was. It was like the same way, like, when I was talking to him. Praise of shadows privately. It's like, you know, horror movies that have come out. We both. We both horror YouTubers from Appalachia. It's like, there's so much overlap.

[Cody]

I didn't know.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, he's from Asheville, one of the areas that got hit by Asheville.

[Cody]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, I. I messaged him when. When we were talking about this, asking if he was okay, and he was okay, but, like, his house, like, a lot of houses in the region lost water and stuff like that, so, you know, they got like. He was right in the middle of the affected area that we were helping out in and stuff like that. But now it's like we have so much in common. Like. And honestly, you mentioned, like, not holding grudges and stuff like this.

[Donut Operator]

Forgiveness. That's. I know you probably are huge into that, and I can just see, again, depending on your friend groups watching your level of communication and forgiveness for others you like.

[Cody]

That is.

[Donut Operator]

We've talked about last time. It's like the perfect representation of Christianity. That is what I love most about you. Like, my boy's killing.

[Brandon Herrera]

I appreciate that. But if God is anything, then he's a God of second chances, right? I mean, that's the whole reason we're here in the first place. I mean, take it all the way back to the car. Pardon? Like, Adam and Eve, right? Like, we messed up. It's like, we're done. And he said, no, try again. And then that's where all of this came from. Right?

[Donut Operator]

Like, hard mode.

[Brandon Herrera]

Pretty much, yeah. But we have that option to return.

[Cody]

Adam's like, and you shall have pain during childbirth.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's like, all right, I've sweated it. Okay.

[Cody]

Jesus.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes. Actually that part comes later. But like, you know, I think about all the time about like Jesus when he was crucified on the cross. Right. Like, spoiler alert. Yeah. Sorry.

[Cody]

Wow.

[Donut Operator]

I didn't.

[Brandon Herrera]

Keep reading like three pages. You'll be amazed what happens next.

[Cody]

You had like about 2000 years some.

[Hunter]

Eggs and hide them. I'll be right back.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, you have Jesus who, when he was being, you know, executed on the cross, one of the last things he said to God was, father, forgive them. They know not what they do. Right. So if that guy, someone who's done no wrong, like the only sinless person to ever exist, if that guy can be spit on, tortured, executed in front of his mother and ask God to forgive them, then am I going to be mad because a YouTuber said he didn't like me? It's pretty. It's kind of, it's kind of, kind of cringe when you think that's what we call perspective. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, you know, what am I going to do? Stay mad about it like now?

[Donut Operator]

So, yeah, beautifully said.

[Hunter]

Cody's like, Twitter, have you, have you.

[Cody]

Do anything for that person?

[Hunter]

Have you heard the newest Cody Twitter lore?

[Brandon Herrera]

No. What? Is that what I do?

[Hunter]

Walmart.

[Wendigoon]

Oh.

[Cody]

Oh my God.

[Donut Operator]

Overnight, that is, bro.

[Hunter]

We've been trending on Twitter for the past 19 hours.

[Brandon Herrera]

What happened?

[Hunter]

Go ahead, Cody.

[Donut Operator]

So I text the group last night.

[Brandon Herrera]

Night.

[Cody]

Yeah, Cody.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, you text the group. And then Nick wrote out a, a tweet and I tweeted it because Walmart has one of our designs where we raised as the autistic shirt.

[Brandon Herrera]

I saw that tweet. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I didn't know that went viral.

[Cody]

Born to Math, like full.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, Born to Math. You know, we raised 200 plus thousand dollars for autistic charities. Or was it 110 like that? 110 something.

[Donut Operator]

Dominic Keller, thank you for that. He's the one that tweeted like, hey, Walmart's stealing your.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, so. So on the Walmart website, like our shirt is on there and they're making money off of it. And so Nick sent me this, this very well worded tweet and I tweeted it and then we all just retweeted it. We're trying to get Walmart, you know, to, I don't know, give us money for a fucking T shirt for Autistic people.

[Cody]

Yeah, we were just gonna, like, if you, if you're not gonna give us credit, at least donate money to the autism charities. Like we did.

[Donut Operator]

We didn't take a penny from that shirt. Like, we never took profit from that shirt. Then we get sent from a veteran with a sign. Stories for you. X. Walmart faces allegations over unauthorized T shirt sales.

[Cody]

Trending now, which it's now at like, it's like 19,000.

[Hunter]

It's been trending all day.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wow.

[Donut Operator]

Walmart removed it real quick, though.

[Cody]

No, no, it's still up.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, it is.

[Cody]

It. It's still up.

[Hunter]

The annoying part is all the people. Well, actually, you know, it's a third party seller. It's not necessarily Walmart itself. And it's like, cool. Walmart's still getting a cut of somebody selling a bootleg T shirt that was used to raise money for charity. Like, they're still profiting off of it. I don't give a. You shouldn't allow that on your platform.

[Cody]

Out of a Las Vegas P.O. box. That's most certainly Chinese.

[Hunter]

It's a UPN UPS store.

[Cody]

Yeah, the.

[Hunter]

The P.O. box is literally the UPS store. It's like, why are you guys allowing that on your platform?

[Cody]

Sam Walton is rolling over in his grave.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, they do. It's same on Amazon too, because I remember one time I was looking, I just searched, oh, that's terrible merch. And it was like, there was a bunch on Walmart. There's a bunch of my Amazon and stuff. And so, yeah, it's just like, it's all foreign stuff that it's it. I remember asking management, like, is there any way that we could, like, take this down? He's like, well, what happened is you get into like a complex, like, legal takedown down, and then that one would pop down and then a week later it'd just be another name and pop up.

[Cody]

So do we know anybody in China with like, I don't know, an oily rag that we could just toss into a certain textile factory?

[Brandon Herrera]

I didn't even think about that. Brandon, there's a lot of solutions. That's why you're the real shaker and mover.

[Donut Operator]

This is the one that's like, you ever try firebombing somebody?

[Cody]

Completely unrelated to why Walmart should donate to charity.

[Hunter]

We're going to get a new drink out of this. The Chinese Moped Bomb. We'll get that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Irish Car Bomb is an insane name for a drink. Sh.

[Donut Operator]

How do you feel about that name?

[Cody]

Oh, my God. I heard that that Was like, something that you just do not order in Ireland.

[Brandon Herrera]

Not really, no. It's.

[Cody]

It's like a predominantly American thing. It's kind of, like, offensive. It's almost like going into a bar in Boston. Like, hey, can I have a 911 exactly?

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, show one.

[Donut Operator]

9 11.

[Cody]

9 11.

[Donut Operator]

Famous Boston terror attack.

[Cody]

I was just saying, like, random city in America. It wasn't. Whatever.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'll never forget those towers climbing over the top. Random walking on.

[Hunter]

Did you just confuse 911 and a marathon?

[Cody]

No, I was taking a random big city in America. You guys.

[Brandon Herrera]

I can't believe I should.

[Cody]

Today we're gonna talk about. No, no, no. What?

[Brandon Herrera]

Can't believe they put a pressure cooker in that tower.

[Cody]

That was the first one. It didn't.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was. I forgot about that. Yeah.

[Cody]

The much lesser known prequel.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember in, like, the 1999 Godzilla movie, there's a scene where, like, Godzilla goes through the city, and the cameraman in the helicopter is like, this is the worst attack on New York since the World Trade center bombing. And it's like, that's off.

[Donut Operator]

Godzilla.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, in the 1999 Godzilla movie. Because it was, like, right before the towers. So they're talking about the 95 bombing. He's like, this is the worst attack on New York since the World Trade center bombing. It's like, did.

[Cody]

It's funny how many people don't know?

[Hunter]

Did you see that?

[Cody]

Like, well, they'll call it, like, oh, look at this movie from 2000, like, a year and a half beforehand.

[Brandon Herrera]

Being attacked. Yeah, it's like.

[Cody]

Like, you know, that's not the first time.

[Hunter]

Well, that was like, when I first blew up on Twitter. That was, like, phrasing, but okay.

[Donut Operator]

I was like, word choice.

[Brandon Herrera]

Sorry.

[Hunter]

Yeah, whatever. No, there was like, a bunch of, like, how did Biggie know that 911 was gonna happen when he said blow up, like, the World Trade in a song that came out years beforehand, it was like, it's not the first one.

[Brandon Herrera]

There's actually a bunch of failed attempts, if I remember right. Yeah, like, people trying to get bombs in. And that was the only one that went off, to my knowledge, the 95:1. And then they were like, all right, well, we won't try to get bombs in.

[Wendigoon]

Well, we'll bring these crazy groups of people.

[Cody]

Byob.

[Donut Operator]

Jesus Christ.

[Brandon Herrera]

Byop.

[Cody]

Ah.

[Donut Operator]

Still a really good shirt.

[Cody]

No. Well, I don't think anything can be more sacrilegious in that context. More insensitive than the moment of silence you guys had on Creek Cat.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah. Where Hunter just Started singing amazing. Grayson's like furry 911 art goes up on screen. Yeah, I had nothing to do with that. I just stood there and did this. I didn't chase pull that up.

[Cody]

I was watching it.

[Donut Operator]

I was like, I don't even know about this.

[Cody]

Oh, I was watching it and I pulled it up. I'm like, oh my God.

[Brandon Herrera]

Hunter accidentally read because Hunter has dyslexia.

[Donut Operator]

Or something from a table of veterans. Like.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, shut up. Okay. Yeah. Everyone else are high horse on the ground. Okay.

[Cody]

I'm on the ground with you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, shut up.

[Donut Operator]

Two hands to it.

[Cody]

Before we say that you. You text me for Veterans Day.

[Brandon Herrera]

I did, I did. I said, do you have the text?

[Cody]

I think I do. I just get a random text from Isaiah, like happy Veterans Day hero with a fucking gif.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is like a bunch of like shadows of troops and American flags.

[Cody]

Leave me alone. Can't you see I'm busy getting my free Apple Applebee's dollarita as any hero should.

[Donut Operator]

I think you text me. I'm so proud of my dad.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. I replied to one tweet. I remember you did one time. It's like not only is he a hard working father father, but he's a serviceman who loves his country or whatever. Jesus. I'm glad people are actually gaslit into it now. It worked.

[Wendigoon]

So as Clint Romesha runs into the house and throws his medal of honor at Brandon.

[Brandon Herrera]

Did you hear about that?

[Donut Operator]

No.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, I did not hear. I know someone gave you a purple heart. I saw that.

[Cody]

No, we had Clint Romesha who's like a legit medal of honor recipient.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh.

[Cody]

And the first thing he does when he walks in is just goes. Takes it out of his pocket all balled up and chucks it at my chest from like two feet away. I'm like.

[Brandon Herrera]

It starts burning.

[Cody]

I grabbed it. He's like, damn. I was hoping you were gonna drop it. I wanted to make you feel bad.

[Donut Operator]

Someone made him a gauntlet with the metal. All the metal.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh my gosh. Let's start with that.

[Cody]

The 911 thing.

[Brandon Herrera]

The unsubscribe. Yeah, the 911 thing. Something that you surely know about. Yeah. We were in an episode and Hunter accidentally read 911 is 9 11. And then like he mean 911 with. With like no stoppage just goes amazing. Great. And he does the whole song. So. And I just stood there like this during it cuz I didn't know what else to do. And then in the post edit, our editor just did like a slow fade montage. Of like my little pony 911 art. So it's like the towers, like sonic furry shit like sonic and like the other furries, like saluting or like a fireman. My Little Pony crying. And it's like never forget.

[Cody]

I love how they want to take out your banter, but they leave in. That's what they 9 11.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's what they add.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, there's two editors. One of them, she's been my friend since high school and she's constantly like, like, we have to cut this. She's the one who I fought to like leave in the eat me like a bug thing.

[Cody]

Thank God you did. Cuz that was.

[Brandon Herrera]

I threatened to fire her.

[Cody]

Eating me like a bug.

[Brandon Herrera]

You eat me like a bug. I've been saying that to myself since then. And then there's another editor named Nate who's bad because he like feeds into it. He's the one who did the my little pony 911 art and stuff like that. So two different. Two sides. Sides of the same angel and devil again.

[Cody]

Nate is objectively funnier. I would never let him watch my dogs.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's. Yeah, that's. That's my take on them as well, I think.

[Cody]

Yeah, yeah, that's safe.

[Brandon Herrera]

But yeah, that's. That's the 911 My Little Pony.

[Cody]

So do we go for.

[Hunter]

So I saw semi recently that you've also become obsessed with cheese caves along with myself.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes, absolutely. Man, that was. That's such a weird. I love finding stuff like that. Like, it's so weird.

[Wendigoon]

Oh, we're doing government cheese now.

[Hunter]

Cheese video too.

[Donut Operator]

I want government cheese and then I want sovereign citizens. Because then it's like, oh, yeah, perfect.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. So the. The cheese video to start. When did you make your cheese video?

[Hunter]

It was a while. It was years. Over a year ago. Year or two ago, maybe.

[Brandon Herrera]

I try not to. Like, when I'm about to research a topic, I try to not listen to other YouTubers about it because I'm afraid it's gonna influence the same thing.

[Hunter]

I. I look up the topic and be like, if anybody's done it within the last six months, I'm just gonna wait to do mine.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah, I do that too sometimes where it's like, I should wait, I should clean off. But yeah, the. The government cheese tunnel stuff, so weird. Like it's just there and it's like, that's pretty much how anything goes with bureaucracy where it's like one decision got made 40 years ago, now got a mountain of cheese now. Now it's like, well, we can't stop because there's already. We already have all the cheese. I'm gonna stop having all the cheese.

[Hunter]

I'm not gonna be the one left holding the mountain of cheese I'm stupid with.

[Brandon Herrera]

That is the next guy's problem. And then it'll be all the story, like, so and so wasted millions of dollars on cheese and things have been.

[Cody]

Set into motion that cannot be undone.

[Brandon Herrera]

Exactly. Yeah. It's like, sign here.

[Donut Operator]

It's your cheese now.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. It's literally like Jimmy Carter started the cheese cascade, and I'm too scared to let it go. It's too. It's too much cheese to touch right now. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

So how many poundages do you get?

[Brandon Herrera]

2 billion, 4 billion, I think, pounds of cheese.

[Hunter]

1.4, 1.7, something like that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Currently in a. In a, like, storage. Most of it is in Kansas City under, in a cave.

[Cody]

It literally looks like the Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse. But it's just cheese.

[Brandon Herrera]

Just cheese.

[Wendigoon]

Maybe breaking their will of cheese comes down on you.

[Brandon Herrera]

With anything else. It's like it came from an inkling of like, well, I see what the idea was because it was during the energy crisis when, like, farms were about to go bankrupt. So the government started bankrolling farmers and saying, look, because no farms were willing to produce dairy, because their fear was, well, if we produce dairy, like, the economy is about to go into a financial collapse. No one's going to buy it, and I'm going to go bankrupt. So the government said, look, whatever amount of dairy you produce, we'll buy the excess, essentially, to keep farm. And you hear that in someone's like, well, that's kind of a cool idea.

[Cody]

The farmer bailout. Too pig to fail.

[Brandon Herrera]

But then, yes, every farmer in the country did the math.

[Hunter]

I have a guaranteed customer.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it's like, you mean any of it will get. So everyone's taking out loans to grow their dairy production and, like, try to sell as much as possible. So then the government gets hit with, like, 10 times the amount of cheese they thought they'd be buying in excess. And it's like, okay, well, if we're buying all of it, we can't just throw it away, because that'd be wasteful. So I guess we have these old munition storage from World War II. So I guess we'll start loading cheese in there and then that.

[Cody]

Just because I think it was just milk at first, but they said that they could make it into cheese.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was milk. And then it was like, well, milk spoils, but cheese Stores easier. So we'll make it in a cheese. And then we're just going to store all of that. And then it's gotten to the point where there's £2 billion, and they're like, oh, no.

[Hunter]

The best part is when Reagan gets into office and gets briefed on this issue, and he. Like, by the time Reagan got in, they were spending millions of dollars a day just in electricity for refrigeration. And he. He has some poor fucking intern go into the White House press box and is like. With a moldy half wheel of cheese. Literally a moldy wheel of cheese. It's like 40 years old. And he's like, we've got 700 million pounds of this. How you guys feeling about us just throwing it in the ocean? And they're like, no. And that's when the whole government cheese thing started. So they just start donating it to, like, food shelters.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

And stuff like that. And it's like, again, you can see where, like, the thought process went, because it's like, we have to support farmers. Farmers. And then it's like, well, what do we do with it? And then people are going to be upset if you just waste it. Right. You throw away food when they're starving people. So it's like, okay, we'll put it in government programs. Still doesn't even put a dent in the amount because it's gotten to the point, at least in, like, the 80s, they quit it now. But it got to the point in the 80s and 90s where it's like, if we stop buying it, half the farms in the country are going to go under.

[Cody]

You showed your work and still got the wrong answer.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it's like, it's. Yeah, so it's like, you know, what do we do? So the conspiracy, and that's what, like, I focused on in my video was that.

[Cody]

Which.

[Brandon Herrera]

Did you touch on the conspiracy?

[Hunter]

I don't think I did. No.

[Brandon Herrera]

The conspiracy is that the Got Milk campaign and then the sudden 90s and early 2000s stuff about like, milk's good for your bones, you should eat dairy. Stuff like that was just propaganda for the government to try to offload their dairy supply.

[Cody]

That's just propaganda from Big Titty.

[Brandon Herrera]

I. Thank you, Devil.

[Hunter]

The way, like, the way I did it in my video, because I love retelling. Like, love retelling. And I was like, so how the. Did they get rid of all this milk in the 90s? Well, what. What happened in the 1990s that convinced a bunch of people to drink milk and there's always this light bulb that goes off. Like, wait a minute. It's really weird. The Got Milk ad campaign wasn't associated with a particular brand of milk.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, no, it was just a faceless. It was.

[Hunter]

I remember.

[Donut Operator]

I. Oh, my God.

[Brandon Herrera]

It went through, like. There's just.

[Donut Operator]

Got Milk.

[Cody]

Milk.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's just got milk.

[Cody]

And we all remember it.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was subsidized.

[Donut Operator]

Side note, milk is not the best way to.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, I mean, like, it's. It's fine, but it's not like a miracle drink. Like, way better.

[Cody]

Also, maybe like, a little bit of a coincidence that this was about the time that MK Ultra had shut down, but we learned a lot of, like, lessons.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're right, buddy. We sure did.

[Hunter]

If we tell school children, their arms will fall. Fall off their torsos if they don't drink milk. They'll drink milk.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Brilliant Bones and die.

[Wendigoon]

The posters. In every single. Like, all of our schools, there were posters Just Got Milk.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was always celebrities doing it.

[Wendigoon]

You had MJ doing it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Taylor Swift did it all.

[Cody]

Pamela Anderson.

[Donut Operator]

And then, like, in the 90s, that was.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was coming. There was like. So it was subsidized by a company called National Dairy or something like that, which dmi.

[Hunter]

Dairy Management Incorporated.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's it.

[Hunter]

Dmi, which is a government checkoff program. This was an offshoot of the usda. And the funniest part is the USDA has spent hundreds of millions of dollars researching how unhealthy milk is. Meanwhile, they have a. Like, a sub company underneath them, dmi, whose entire purpose is to extort money from dairy farmers against their will and use it to advertise to convince everybod that dairy's good.

[Cody]

That.

[Hunter]

So you have the same government agency taking your tax dollars and competing them against each other to compete on whether or not dairy is good or bad.

[Cody]

For the most government I've ever.

[Brandon Herrera]

The real conspiratorial part, because that's pretty much. That's not even a conspiracy. That's just, like, a thing that happens. Real conspiratorial part is when you look at, like, in the 90s and 2000s, every single fast food restaurant started to participate in these, like, government programs. Like, there was one. One for. There's DMI for dairy, but then there's one for pork, there's one for meat, stuff like that, who have their own stories, but all of them start getting bankrolled, like, partially through DMI and stuff like that, because DMI is paying to advertise dairy to businesses. So every fast food Restaurant in the country starts putting cheese on burgers, sandwiches, stuff like that. Pizzas go from a little bit of cheese to like the extra four layer triple cheese and stuff. And then like in like the 2010 recession and stuff, or 2008 recession, you have like, like dominoes that went under and then quietly got bailed out by the government and like no one addressed.

[Hunter]

Tens of millions of dollars loaned to them and then all of their cheese covered for years. This is.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, and they rebranded.

[Hunter]

I linked it to like, is this why every time I call Domino's drunk at three in the morning and I try to order a large pizza, the guy's like, I can sell you a large pizza for 29 or I can give you like 13 medium pizzas for six bucks. Yeah, they're just trying to get rid of.

[Brandon Herrera]

Trying to get rid of the cheese. Yeah. So the idea is that like you like a lot of our commerce, a lot of our restaurants, like food chains and stuff like that are dictated by a need to get rid of cheese that came off of goodwill, but nevertheless, like an improper decision made back in the 70s. That's a story.

[Hunter]

It's all about cheese.

[Wendigoon]

Cheese conspiracy.

[Cody]

There's a church that's pretty much everything the government's ever touched. Yeah, it goes about that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, it's always like, we have a good idea and then 50 years later it's like, well, we can't stop the idea.

[Cody]

Yes, it was, it was the road to heaven paved with good intentions.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember that's the saying. I think it's the road to Afghanistan. It's paved with good intentions, actually. Oh, sorry.

[Cody]

No, it was. Yeah, it was paved with the national oil prices.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Sovereign citizens.

[Donut Operator]

Cody loves offices. One of his favorite.

[Brandon Herrera]

They're so fun. All right. So much fun.

[Wendigoon]

I'm not trying to toot my own dick here, but I think I am Brandon's job, single handedly responsible for bringing the sovereign citizen thing into YouTube.

[Brandon Herrera]

When did you start, like, when did you start talking about it?

[Wendigoon]

Like 2016.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah, I, I didn't see it kick up to like 2020. So you would have been one of the.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, because when I was a cop, I ran into one sovereign citizen. He's like, I can drive around, I can do whatever I want. I don't need a license. We're like, dude, you can't do that. I'm not saying names.

[Donut Operator]

Was it what you.

[Cody]

You're not going to talk about the guy?

[Hunter]

Let's see which guy?

[Wendigoon]

Oh, God, Earl.

[Cody]

Yeah, no, I just.

[Wendigoon]

Okay, I just say Earl's like a sovereign citizen because he thought he didn't have to have a driver's license. There was another guy, this white dude.

[Cody]

Literally like, you arrested, but you arrested dmx.

[Hunter]

Cody pulled over DMX a lot.

[Wendigoon]

Everyone, everyone in my police department pulled over Earl a lot. Hey, Earl, what's up, man? But there was this white dude that we would pull over to, and he was another one of those guys. And it's like he would say, people are walking through my yard. Can I put up punji pits? Like, dude, no, no. And so I started to realize, like, people who are actual hardcore sovereign citizens, they like, really believe in like the anti government things. Which time, like now. But we, we used to pull them over all the time. And then, yeah, when I started my YouTube channel, I. I started seeing the videos of how, like, I don't want to say crazy, but just how out of touch they are.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like, oh, no, crazy. Crazy is a video.

[Wendigoon]

Okay, okay, that's a, that's a good one. And I started making sovereign citizen videos and that's what launched my channel from like, I had 10,000 subscribers and it went to like 300,000 in a couple months.

[Cody]

You did a sovereign citizen bingo?

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, sovereign citizen bingo. And so people could pick the things they're going to say. Black salt dictionary. I'm just traveling things like that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, traveling's the big one.

[Cody]

Maritime law.

[Brandon Herrera]

Maritime law.

[Wendigoon]

Pirates.

[Brandon Herrera]

Road pirates is like a really cool word. That's an awesome.

[Cody]

Didn't somebody give us a patch on the live show that was like, road pirate something?

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, yeah, I sold shirts that said road pirates for a while. And yeah, like, I started doing that in 2016. That's one of the big things that, like, got my channel big was talking about sovereign citizens.

[Brandon Herrera]

I had like a level of like, okay, maybe, like, sure, they're annoying, but maybe they actually think. Think that there's some legal loophole they're getting through and stuff. Kind of like when guys are like, don't talk to the cops. When they're like, just. I was in fear for my life. I want a lawyer. Like, that whole thing, I'm like, maybe the sovereign citizens are like, down that track. But then when I actually, like, looked into their, like, what they think is going on, it's like, oh, this is. This is insane. Like, it is, it is next door to the QAnon. Like, Donald Trump is going to like, execute everyone in office right now.

[Cody]

It's like Donald Trump is underground in a firefight under the Capitol currently.

[Brandon Herrera]

That is the exact Same because the whole idea with the sovereign citizen is like the United States government secretly at some point became not a government and is now a corporation. But because they're a corporation.

[Cody]

Even though 1913 have you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Do you know their whole lore of what they think happened?

[Wendigoon]

Not the whole corporate.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh my gosh. Okay.

[Donut Operator]

I'm learning a lot.

[Brandon Herrera]

Do you know, do you know it?

[Hunter]

I'm familiar. I haven't liked. I'm not brushed up on it.

[Wendigoon]

I thought it was funny seeing the windows get busted out and then being pulling out.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay.

[Donut Operator]

Cody Temple man.

[Brandon Herrera]

So this what leads to that is generally. And like no two sovereign citizens believe the same thing because it's. It's really just like a belief that is incorporated into other groups, other ideas, stuff like that. Like I. You do see a lot of it in like QAnon groups. You see a lot of it in like national nationalist groups, stuff like that.

[Cody]

What's funny to me in your video specifically not to cut you off, is that it was. It's very racist in origin from both sides.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

So it's a bunch of anti white and anti black racist like shaking hands on we don't have to follow the law.

[Wendigoon]

Can't we all just come together?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it started as like an exclusively like white nationalist idea. And then years later as more people started to pick it up really around like the 90s to 2000s, it became like black nationalists started to get it sometimes stuff. It's really weird. But the core root of it was that the United States at some point quit being a country. Now when that is is debated, some say it was during the Civil War, some say it was when we left the gold standard. Some say it's when Washington D.C. was created. @ some point we quit being right after World War II. Right after World War II is another popular one really. And instead what happened then that we had a war debt to pay and we needed someone to pay it. So we like the idea is we dissolve the nation as a government and instead became a corporation that is an extension of another country. Most often it's Great Britain, sometimes it's Israel. Of course, sometimes it's like Germany or France.

[Hunter]

And now there's now. Now your Social Security number is actually a checking number. And if you know how to fill out the right paperwork, you have millions of dollars that you can just access magically.

[Donut Operator]

So the idea is that would stay.

[Brandon Herrera]

A secret at whatever point all this happened, the United States became bankrupt and we need like we needed money somehow. So because we were out of money, we began somehow Leveraging the potential work power or capital, whatever of prospective people when they're born to other countries.

[Cody]

Amazing. They think all of us are worth millions of dollars.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's very, you know, it's kind of uplifting a little bit when you think about it that way, that we're worth that much money. So they start getting like loans from other countries based on our value. So tied to every person in the United States there is a secret fund of money that is their value. Another nation is contributing to the United States Corporation on behalf of them.

[Hunter]

This is why FDR started Social Security.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is why. This is what Social Security is. This is where Social Security numbers come from. This is where things like. Yeah, what's hooks people. There's other examples of it of like, oh, when you get a birth certificate, your parents signing your birth certificate is them like willingly signing you over to the United States Corporation.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah, we're just getting really deep into this.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah. It's like there's so many layers to it. So that's the whole idea.

[Cody]

I will say I believe in zero percent of it because obviously it's. But there are a few things that are weird about it. Just like Social Security, like in the law specifically stating like, this is not allowed to be an identification number of any kind. And now everything you do now is.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it's always the social. Because there's no other like, ease they have of it. There's no other number that's tagged to people as easily as it is.

[Cody]

And maybe I am a sovereign system.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's the thing. But they will pull stuff out of context all the time. They'll pull stuff from the Magna Carta, they'll pull stuff from the Articles of Confederation. Be like, actually in this source it says that neither of which we're governed by, but because the United States doesn't exist anymore, we're not governed by anything. So you basically pick which one you want to be governed by. That's what you're governed. Yes, very convenient.

[Donut Operator]

I get to pick my own rules.

[Brandon Herrera]

But then it gets into like. Okay, so the idea is the United States is just a corporation. Wait, hold on. Specifically Great Britain.

[Donut Operator]

Choose your own adventure.

[Brandon Herrera]

Hold on, I want this one.

[Cody]

There are black nationalists that want to not accept the 13th amendment.

[Brandon Herrera]

We'll get there. Okay, that does come in.

[Cody]

I was going to say.

[Wendigoon]

That's fucking.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, no, no, that does come in. Okay, so the idea is that because we are no longer a country and we're like extension of Great Britain, just a company. Right. We don't Actually adhere to any real legal system. We are under maritime law, commercial law, or admiralty law. Because the United States is effectively a trade route for Great Britain. You get flashbacks. So that is why they don't have to abide by the laws. Because it's not the laws of any governments. The laws of a corporation, right? And the ways that they choose to opt out of these things can be that if you send in a check with your Social Security number, the government is required to pull it from your secret fund that they don't tell you about. But you can still access. You can file paperwork with your local clerk to get. Get you removed. There's the idea that you have something called a straw man, which is the difference between you, yourself and you, your legal name, all caps. Because on your birth certificate and identification, your name's in all caps, right? So there's two codies. There's Cody, all caps, and you, Cody. If you can file paperwork to separate yourself from all caps, Cody, you get all of all caps. Cody's secret government money. And because of that, they will never identify themselves as their name. It is never John Smith. It is I am colon, D, John D, parenthesis, son of parenthesis, Smith. Like, because if you use your name John Smith, well, that is you willingly giving into the government's exploitation of you as a product.

[Hunter]

Cody is fighting muscle memory to not drag you out of your chair right now.

[Donut Operator]

You just hear a banging. He's like, he was resisting.

[Cody]

It reminds me of, like, the demonology. It's like the power of the name.

[Brandon Herrera]

Kind of like, it's weird too, because they think that, like. Cause it's a corporation. The corporation only has power if you play its game, right? So if instead, if an officer says.

[Cody]

Calls you out of car.

[Brandon Herrera]

If an officer says, do you understand? Never respond with I understand. Because that says, I am under the standing of the officer. So instead, say, I comprehend.

[Cody]

It's the knees you have to worry about.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like that.

[Hunter]

The craziest part about all this is thinking that every cop in America knows all of this.

[Brandon Herrera]

Every cop in the United States is like, I am a British, like, agent, and I can't tell anyone, not even my family. Like, Jesus Christ.

[Wendigoon]

The. The majority of policing comes down to people just being right. There's like almost a million police officers in the United States States. And it's just. It. It's wild that, like, I understand what you're saying, but it's like the cop out there on the road isn't going through these mental gymnastics, like, going through this. Like, hey, Dude, I just want to make sure you're safe on the road so you don't wreck into a family of four.

[Brandon Herrera]

He is not ready. Yeah, that is him.

[Donut Operator]

You were speeding. What?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, he is. Whatever. He has never heard the word maritime in his life. He is not prepared for the argument he's about.

[Cody]

Imagine of person.

[Brandon Herrera]

Tell me.

[Hunter]

We're in a landlocked state.

[Brandon Herrera]

What are you talking.

[Cody]

We live in Indiana. Imagine the kind of person that has to have a weekly interaction with the cops.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the other thing with these guys.

[Wendigoon]

Connor lives probably.

[Brandon Herrera]

You know, you never hear these guys, like, just talking about their thing. It is always in court or traffic stops because all of them are on their third DUI or their. Like, they owe money to the state they're not paying back and can't pay it back. So it go most of the time, like, if you watch a series of court appearances, it'll be like two normal appearances, and then the third one's like, I, John, am C. Xy, son of Smith, hereby comprehend what you're saying and use my merit time ability. And the judge is like, here we go. It started. They got another one.

[Hunter]

I found the cheat code.

[Wendigoon]

Stop getting housed and driving your car.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's all. Literally, that's all drinking and driving.

[Wendigoon]

That's it. That's it.

[Cody]

Meanwhile, the defendant. Up, down, left, right, left.

[Brandon Herrera]

Dude, the number of, like, weird codes they have as well. Okay, so, for example, like, the bar, the thing that lawyers in the United States go up against. They say that. Some say that the bar stands for British something registry, British accreditation registry or something like that. So that is a secret code that for some reason is public, that all lawyers are just extensions of Great Britain. In courtrooms where the American flag has the gold fringes around it, gold fringes are seen on the naval crest indicating that United States courtrooms, American flags are just a piece of the navy of Great Britain. And, yeah, it just goes on and on.

[Donut Operator]

There's stuff like connecting dots.

[Brandon Herrera]

There's stuff that, like, if you sign, like, a piece of paper in red ink, that is a subtle reminder to the government, because red ink is used to close business transactions, that you do not support them and that you are instead signing to excommunicate yourself from them.

[Hunter]

And the government's gonna care.

[Brandon Herrera]

And the government's gonna care. That's the craziest thing about it. It's not just the government's evil and hates me. It's the government's evil and hates me. But if I can say the Right words, the right way, they'll give me $20 million. It's like what? Like the levels of delusion.

[Donut Operator]

Do they know somebody that it?

[Cody]

No.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay, that's the thing.

[Donut Operator]

Someone, they're like, well, my cousin got it.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, no, this always comes from people who have had, they've had a guru talk to them. So there's these gurus of the movement who of course sell self help books and sell info online and it's always marketed to people who need help. It's like, hey, you can't afford, you know, your court case or whatever. Well, you're actually entitled to blah, blah, blah. And then desperate people like, like try to say the words, but they don't understand what they're saying. And it always like, that's the reason it always comes off as like funny in courtrooms and stuff. Cuz they're just saying words that they have no idea how they connect where they go, stuff like that.

[Wendigoon]

They're like, I heard a guy on.

[Brandon Herrera]

YouTube, there's one video I saw, which you may have seen it, this guy gets pulled over by a cop and he's like talking to the cop out the window and he's doing the whole like, I comprehend. I am, I wasn't driving, I was traveling around, whatever. And the cop actually knew what he was talking about. So the cop's like, can you step out of the vehicle for a moment? And like the guy gets out and he's like, look, I, I'm aware of the whole sovereign citizen saying, it's not real, it's a false thing that's sold. I, I, I don't know what you've heard, but it's not real. And then the guy just goes quiet and goes, I'm sorry man, I just read all of this online, I didn't know. He's like, it's okay. You want to try this again? He goes, yeah, just have a normal reaction.

[Cody]

That is like hilarious.

[Brandon Herrera]

He saved one.

[Cody]

That's the good ending.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah. Because normal where it ends is like you said, like and out of the car. Yeah. There's always guys who have like a DUI who's like, I don't need a license. Oh, that's another thing. They're not driving, they're traveling. Because according to them, driving is an occupation. You only need a driver's license if you are transporting people, like a bus driver or if you're transporting goods, like a truck driver otherwise. Because in one early United States document, there's an article somewhere that says, in the United States, you have the freedom to travel as you would. So they're like, well, freedom of travel. And I'm not driving, I'm traveling. So that's where like that comes from.

[Cody]

Meanwhile, the cop is just like.

[Brandon Herrera]

All right. Oh, the thing you're asking about, like the black nationalists and stuff like that.

[Cody]

Yeah. I was wondering, because it's like if you're. You understand a lot of those founding documents from, like the 1600s aren't very friendly.

[Brandon Herrera]

So here's what you got. Think right? If the United States became a corporation during the Civil War, then What did the 14th Amendment actually do? The 13th is one that outlawed slavery.

[Cody]

Yeah. Okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

So if it's a corporation now, then the 14th Amendment is binding everyone who exists to that corporation. So the 14th Amendment's a bad thing.

[Cody]

Extra slavery.

[Brandon Herrera]

So in some sovereign citizens circles, the idea is there are two kinds of citizens. There is I, a lowercase c, because they're big about cases and stuff. Lowercase C, citizen. That is just a human walking the earth. Then there's an uppercase capital C, citizen that is a 14th amendment citizen. In other words, property of the United States government. So they reject.

[Cody]

Amendment. Citizen. Sounds terrible.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay, so the way where like the black nationalist stuff comes in is because there was a group created in the 1930s in the US called the Moorish Science Temple, which was an extension of. It was like a early prelude to the Nation of Islam. Right. So you had people in the Moorish Science Temple who started to get these anti government ideas, and then they started to pick up the sovereign citizen ideal of like secret cheat codes and stuff. There was a document that was made, if I remember right, in 1786 called the Moroccan Friendship Treaty that was signed between John Adams and Morocco.

[Cody]

So I think he did a video.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Hunter]

About the U.S. navy being founded to fight pirates.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes.

[Hunter]

The U.S. america's first peace treaty. Actually, it's still.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is the longest existing treaty in the United states. We had 1786, and we've never had war with Morocco, so we're still friends with them through all that. Right.

[Cody]

As it turns out, hasn't come up again.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it turns out we haven't. Haven't tried to find out. But the more science Temple. One of their beliefs is that all black people in the United States are actually descendants from an ancient forgotten group of Moroccan people. So therefore, the Moroccan Friendship Treaty says the United States has good standing with Moroccan citizens, which applies to them. So. So therefore they don't have to abide by any laws in the United States. So a Lot of them will say, like, we don't have to abide by laws because of the Moroccan French treaty.

[Cody]

Diplomatic immunity for everything.

[Brandon Herrera]

Diplomatic immunity for everything. Yeah.

[Cody]

So. Oh, well, in that case, do what you want all the time.

[Brandon Herrera]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Wendigoon]

Can I smash their windshields, too?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Hunter]

Yes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes. Cody.

[Donut Operator]

Does it ever work? Like, that's it.

[Hunter]

You never say.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's what my favorite thing is. This is where it works. It works when someone gets brought in on a traffic ticket or a DUI or something like that, and they. Because their favorite thing to do is paperwork. They absolutely love. Like, if someone has a problem with them, they'll take out liens on their house. Because all these gurus also talk about how you can manipulate, like, government channels to get money or, like, seize money from other people, file false tax documents against other people and stuff. So. So someone gets pulled over by a cop, and then they go. They go to court for it. And then the court and the police department and the cop get hammered with paperwork after paperwork after. Because they always want to represent themselves, so they always get, like, stacks on top of stacks of, like, you know, evidence request and stuff like that. And it becomes so much of a headache that the county drops the cake.

[Cody]

Because you call it paper terrorism.

[Brandon Herrera]

Paper terrorism? Yeah, that's the term for it. So they will get to such a.

[Cody]

Which is a paper airplane.

[Brandon Herrera]

Sorry. Thank you. You were doing so good. You had, like, three minutes straight. Like, serious.

[Cody]

I was learning.

[Brandon Herrera]

Proud of you for a second. Cool. But, yeah.

[Cody]

Why is that why you made me drive three blocks down the street to pick you up from school?

[Brandon Herrera]

Thank you, dad. You have, like, the Moroccan friendship or not the Moroccan friendship? You have, like, these people trying to, like, do these, like, tax liens against other people. So it works because they'll be so much of a headache they'll get off of it. So those stories get circulated a lot, so people will, like, start to say them over and over. But then you have cases where, like, it's not just, like, a DUI or something like that. 1995, Terry Nichols, one of the guys who committed the Oklahoma City bombing, he was a sovereign citizen. That dude who drove an SUV through the parade raid in Wisconsin. I think it was Wisconsin a couple years back. Do you remember that? Yeah. Killed six people, I think. Six, eight people. Something like that. He was a sovereign citizen. That guy also had a long history of mental illness and stuff that led up to it. But the whole time in court, he was doing it. Yeah, the whole time in court, he was doing the whole sovereign citizen Thing of being like, I'm not. I'm not a 14th Amendment citizen. I am, you know, I was not driving. I was traveling, like, the whole nine. Yeah.

[Cody]

He had a long history of mental illness.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Weird.

[Cody]

Nobody harasses the car dealership.

[Brandon Herrera]

What?

[Hunter]

Guns, guns, guns, guns.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, I see. I see. What? Okay, I see. God damn. Thank you.

[Hunter]

You're catching all the jokes tonight. You're getting all of them.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm. I'm so. Okay. I got off the plane and drove here. I haven't had time to put my shell on to attach my guard. I'm a victim right now. So, yeah, so, yeah, that's. That's, like the sovereign citizen thing. Those people are insane. It's weird.

[Donut Operator]

That's fucking wild.

[Wendigoon]

So I can still smash the windows?

[Brandon Herrera]

You can smash the window?

[Wendigoon]

Absolutely.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Cody's like, condense that next time.

[Brandon Herrera]

There's a lot of time. You haven't been a cop for how long? Smash, smash. Window smash.

[Cody]

You like, you still have the badger. You're like, oh, says here I can smash your window.

[Wendigoon]

Sir, you drove over a child. But I'm traveling. You can't travel over children.

[Brandon Herrera]

I can't do that either.

[Cody]

I have a right to freely travel. It's.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's funny whenever a judge knows what they're doing, because, like, a lot of the time what happens is, like, you watch footage of it, and the judge will be like, sir, I'm sorry, I don't understand. But if a judge, like, gets what's happening, they. I saw this one video of a judge. It was someone from court, like, zoom, calling in about, like, their parole or whatever, Whatever. And the person who they were talking to is like, I am not. Oh, they'll always say, I'm not. I'm not Isaiah. I am the representative of the estate of Isaiah. Or, like, the spokesperson on behalf of Isaiah. And so the person goes up to the judge, is like, I am the representative, spokesperson on behalf of John Smith.

[Cody]

Is Isaiah in the room with us now?

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like, as John Smith said before, he's like, no, sir, John Smith is a free living person. I am his representative acting on behalf of the state. And he's like, all right, well, you're held without. No. He goes, all right, so John Smith is held without parole. Both his. And he. Like, he's writing it down. Both his spokesperson, his estate, his head of estate. He was like, sir, I'm not John Smith. He says, well, if you see him, tell him he's in jail. It's funny when they know what's happening. And I think as info goes down, people get more, like, aware of it. But it, it, it is very annoying. But it's also very funny at the same time how insane the reasoning gets. Yeah. Wild.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Tomorrow's our big day. You guys are putting on the range day.

[Cody]

Oh, yeah. Well, we could say that now that.

[Hunter]

We'Ll be out, it'll be trying to bite the OPSEC.

[Cody]

Pretty clear on that. That one.

[Brandon Herrera]

But location 2, 3, 4, 8. Yes.

[Cody]

You'd be surprised the amount of vendors that are like. It's like an invite only.

[Brandon Herrera]

I thought you. You meant, like, vendors. Vendors is a strong word for it.

[Cody]

But the. Yeah, the amount of like, yeah, like, seriously, like, vendors. Anybody who are just like, can't wait to be at the range day tomorrow. It's like.

[Brandon Herrera]

I see, I see.

[Cody]

It's very public now.

[Brandon Herrera]

I thought you were just talking about crazy guns. My bad.

[Donut Operator]

So many. Take that down. So many. What we're actually looking forward to. We have a bunch. Anyone that does, he doesn't know this. The range day is a whole bunch of content creators coming out. Cody branded demo. They put on an amazing show and then everyone gets to shoot a bunch of firearms. And we usually shoot one.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's how it goes.

[Cody]

Yeah. I think I shot one gun last year.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, that's about right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Cody]

It's just, it's networking. Like, everybody's hanging out and whatnot. The guns are just what brings everybody together. Just kind of cool.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I'm mostly like, I shoot a lot and stuff like that. I train and do all that funsy. So I'm more so excited to see friends hang out and stuff like that. But I'm also like, I'll shoot a transferable. I like shooting transferables and whatnot.

[Cody]

It's fun because you always gravitate toward the autistic guns where I'm like, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, you know, you know what I am.

[Wendigoon]

We're just always trying to push the second amendment and, like, we get a lot of comedians and celebrities and stuff down there who have. They're, you know, they say we've never shot a gun before, so would you like to see how professionals handle firearms and how fun it is? And it turns out to be such a good time.

[Cody]

Everybody's being super safe. We've got a ton of RSOs, like, a ton of, like, industry people that just know what they're doing and it's cool to bring in people not only in the gun industry, like, all the gun guys who, like, do shit like this all the time. But also people that are influencers, celebrities, whatever, from outside of the Second amendment space and bring them in and show them, like, hey, a. You can make a living doing this. Like, this is something. We do this and we do the same job, and we're just fine. Because a lot of these people are afraid to even say gun on their channel or publicly. But, hey, you can do this. Like, it's totally fine line. And on top of that, like, hey, this is all of us hanging out around a ton of machine guns, a ton of, like, that you've never even seen before. And everybody's safe and everybody has a good time. And I think that's a really cool message to bring to people, too.

[Donut Operator]

Beautifully said. What are you looking forward to tomorrow?

[Brandon Herrera]

I love. I love the grease gun. Something about the fire rate of it is so satisfying. So I want to shoot that stuff. I really want to shoot the 86. Yeah, they'll have that. Fight it before. That'll be fun.

[Cody]

We know a guy.

[Wendigoon]

We know a guy.

[Donut Operator]

Damn it. Right there.

[Brandon Herrera]

What is this.

[Cody]

Gay?

[Brandon Herrera]

But no, it's. It's. It's. Well, now I feel what you're talking about.

[Donut Operator]

He loves it.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's. It's a very impressive. Thanks. It's a very impressive. No, it's. It's a very impressive round from what I've heard about. I want to see it in person as, like, a. A nerd for, like, the ballistics of it and all that stuff. It's like, I want to see. We see the hype, right?

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember when 300 blackout came out, I was like, all right, who has one? I need to. I need to see this firsthand.

[Cody]

Right? That was also Kevin who created that.

[Donut Operator]

Raise your hand.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I'm not looking. Doesn't count. This is aggrandizing hour. I hate it. It's terrible.

[Cody]

Weird comparison choice.

[Brandon Herrera]

But yeah, just that and, of course, full autos. Because I'm a child. I can't help it.

[Cody]

We're gonna have the warthog out there tomorrow, too.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, sick. Nice.

[Cody]

We're bringing back the pencil mount. Yeah. We had to make sure that we locked it to where, like, there's no capability of anybody to flag the range just for safety reasons. A lot of people have never shot machine guns before. Were like, all right, Lock the traverse in every direction. Like, you can shoot berm.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, that's it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I think that's probably good. I mean, like, everyone I've seen safe. Everyone who knows guns. It's. It's just sometimes someone will Walk up who's not familiar, and they'll get excited and stuff. But that's why the RSOs are there, to be like, okay, all right, all right. Yeah. Like the gentle pushes back towards the range.

[Cody]

Make sure everything stays on the berm somewhere.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

It's usually after they dump a mag, that's when, like that excited, turn towards your friends for a photo and you go.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember being a kid with my grandfather. I was like 5, and he, like, gave me a pellet gun and I was too weak to, like, cock it. So I would, I would hand it back to him. He'd break it over his knee, put the pellet in it, hand it back to me, and I'd shoot. And every time that I flagged him, so I was like, five, he'd be like, we have to wait. Now you did it. He was like, you don't get it. And I remember, like, crying one time. I was like, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. Not everyone had that experience. So instead of a pellet gun straight at the dog.

[Cody]

Well, Hunter, you flagged me again.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

You need to see how he reenacted.

[Brandon Herrera]

Maybe his grandfather was all right. He was just teaching him a lesson he never forgot. The lesson he never forgot apparently didn't get it. I think his grandfather tried to kill him when he was a child.

[Wendigoon]

John, I'm sorry about Doug.

[Cody]

I have seen so many jokes about the ATF director thing just holding Doug. They're like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, you can't have him. Oh, yeah. What's this about you being ATF director?

[Cody]

By the time this come out, comes out, this should probably be fine. But it's like, I, I, that was not a thing I started. It wasn't a thing I even knew about. And I woke up one morning and I found out. So RFK Jr had a website where he basically, it was, you know, a for the people nominees kind of thing, where it's like, who would you like to see in which positions of government in the cabinet? Because there's a lot of positions that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Have to be filled.

[Cody]

And so he's kind of open sourcing it and seeing what the people think, which I think is a great idea. But of course, my community immediately jumps on board and they make me the most voted for person on the entire website as director of the atf. And it would have stopped there. It starts gaining a lot of traction. I make a joking video kind of referencing it. We use it as an opportunity to raise money. Money for no kill dog Shelters, which I think is very funny. All the merch and everything. It's like we're using that to raise money for the dog shelters. Just as kind of like an extra like the atf. I can't really talk about a lot of the things that went into it, but there were started to be there. There started to be a lot of calls from like Mar a Lago adjacent people about like it's straight up like it got memed into existence. And it was, I'll say now, like, I doubt it's. I've seen the memes where it's like.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is what you get. This is what you get.

[Cody]

The ATF is gay. Brandon Herrera is in the atf.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, aw, if A equals B, then B equals C. But it was, it.

[Cody]

Was an honor to be. I, I don't think it's gonna happen at least in that capacity. Like the Senate confirmation hearings would be a nightmare.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, that'll be so funny. Oh my gosh.

[Cody]

It was an honor to be considered as long as it was. And I would love to have some sort of role because I really do have like I had the, when it got pretty serious for a minute. I had a straight up 100 day plan. I'm like, these are the 99 theses of everything. The ATF is.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wow.

[Cody]

And what I want to change and to have any sort of advisor role in being able to say like, hey, as an industry professional, these are the things that need to change.

[Brandon Herrera]

Do you think I don't mean this to like put a bump in the wheel or anything. Do you think that something like that would work or do you think you just get held up in like bureaucratic channels or sassages or something?

[Cody]

I think it only works when everybody's on the same page. I have been watching who touches my drinks lately.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

But it like if you are, if you're working with a very friendly like, like minded, let's say director of the FBI, like Cash Patel and you know, the Department of Treasury, you got a bunch of like people. Because those are the people you got to really work with on a situation like that. When those people are like minded and you have a, you know, Republican controlled Congress that would be a lot more gun friendly. You have a gun friendly president like that. That's. Those are the situations where you can actually make some stuff happen. And for an opportunity like that, it's too important to say no in any capacity. But even just a, even just a role where I can call the ATF director.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

And say like, hey, just to have that connection.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

These are the things that some. Because a lot of it is very obscure. Like a lot of it's import export law and things like that that really just fuck over the gun industry.

[Brandon Herrera]

Does that magazine have an American made baseplate? If not, I'll look at that.

[Cody]

It's not 922R. I mean they just over the Berettas like that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yep. Yeah, I remember. Was it, Was it the A12 that there was like semi auto ones that they're like. It actually could be full auto.

[Cody]

You can convert them too easily. And they, they collected all of the AA12s in the country for being machine guns.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Even the, even the legally registered machine.

[Donut Operator]

Guns did not know about that.

[Cody]

Oh the atf. Like if you hate, you think you hate the atf, you don't enough. There's a lot of cool guys that do like some cool task force stuff and whatnot. But like the organization on the, in the bureaucratic side is the devil.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, I mean Kevin's talked about that blown away.

[Brandon Herrera]

I remember when I worked at a gun shop there were two different ATF agents who showed up to do checks. One of them, she was really cool. And then the guy who showed up was like a nightmare. And I remember him pulling out a ruler like on a, on like a AR pistol. Just thinking to myself like this is, this is absurd. Just like it's wild. But yeah, like I don't, I, I don't mean to dissuade you. If you were ever in a position where you can make things happen, that would be incredible. I am just so infinitely black pilled. Yes. About like official routes and channels and stuff like that.

[Wendigoon]

That.

[Brandon Herrera]

But if you, if you could do something that would be very, very cool.

[Cody]

I think it's one of those things where it's easy to get black pilled and like the government's given us plenty of reasons to be. So how far are we from WhiteCollab? It's a two hour drive down the road.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

But at the same time if like all the stars start aligning to be able to do some really great things, don't be the roadblock. You know, it's kind of one of those like if the door's there, the.

[Brandon Herrera]

Door is there 100%.

[Cody]

Which is why it's like if there was any official capacity, I could be involved in the unfucking of that which I mean ideally it's like the dissolve. Dissolving of the organization is the end goal. But in any capacity to be able to, you know, if Nothing else, just cripple it. The way I described it to the way I described it, some very official people was, look, it takes a year to build a house. It takes about 10 minutes to burn it down.

[Brandon Herrera]

I wonder why they didn't.

[Cody]

Weird people I was talking to were on board. That was probably the most reassuring thing is all of the people that were adjusting adjacent to the transition team were very much like the one person. I basically told him, like, look, if you just want another figurehead that's going to go along, get along and basically just be the spokesman for a bunch of dumb. I'm sorry. Like, I got enough going on. Like, I'm not your guy. But if you want somebody that's going to tear shit down, I'm down to tear shit down. They're like, look at the other people. They're choosing Vivek Ramaswamy, Elon Musk, Cash Patel. Like, you're in some good company.

[Brandon Herrera]

What it's. So who was the guy who was supposed to be at like a couple years ago?

[Cody]

David Chipman.

[Brandon Herrera]

David Chipman. Was he actually at Waco or is that just like a online story that got passed around?

[Cody]

So there was the photo of him that was like supposedly with a hunting rifle in like with the remains of Waco. I want to say that that was misinformation at one point, but it was still very funny to memon. He's a piece of shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was just gonna say it's insane that, that the proposed director has gone from that to you and like talk about a spectrum.

[Cody]

Currently we have Stephen Detlebach who's not as bad, like Dettl Box. Not as bad, but he's not great. He's not gun friendly by any means. And to have like somebody made a comparison that I really love. They're like, why would you have a director of the FAA who hates airplanes?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Doesn't make sense.

[Cody]

Why would you choose somebody to regulate something that hates the thing they're regulating? Yeah, that's kind of fair, I guess.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[Cody]

Also just. Yeah, David Chipman. He looks like a lesbian gym coach.

[Donut Operator]

Audience loved it during the live shows. That was literally.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm sure. Oh, I'm sure they did. I. I can only imagine what the, what the energy was. Places.

[Cody]

The only time you'll ever hear our crowd chant atf.

[Donut Operator]

It was booming too.

[Wendigoon]

I was like, but usa, usa. Every, every five minutes was usa, usa. It was awesome.

[Hunter]

I'm a big fan of Connor's bit for that.

[Cody]

Lighting up a cigarette on stage.

[Hunter]

They get super Upset. Then you love that they were super big fans. But Conor gets declared the the official advisor for tobacco and then opens up with who wants to bring back.

[Donut Operator]

To bring back smoking on airplanes.

[Cody]

And it's like a thundering thousand people.

[Hunter]

Cheering for smoking on airplanes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Let's go.

[Cody]

Second hands make babies cough again. Oh, God.

[Donut Operator]

Buffalo. Who's like, racism. They're like, like, we need to leave.

[Cody]

The two brown guys on stage are.

[Donut Operator]

Like, I made it a joke to get people to.

[Cody]

To chant the most offensive thing I could think of. So what? In Boston, I got people to chant, which you can't say on YouTube. And then in Buffalo, I got him to chant racism.

[Donut Operator]

So, yeah, you missed out on the show.

[Brandon Herrera]

Racism or chance? That were.

[Donut Operator]

No.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay.

[Cody]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just to the right of Cody.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're leaning over. You're looking at the pool.

[Wendigoon]

He's your third devil.

[Donut Operator]

A text from you. It's like, ah, I can't make it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Next. Like, oh, I'm sorry. I broke my leg. Next year, I apologize.

[Cody]

The unholy spirit.

[Hunter]

The last.

[Brandon Herrera]

It'll be like, how guys got out of the draft, like, shattering their legs in car doors. Yeah.

[Hunter]

Brandon got choke slammed through a table at Buffalo.

[Cody]

That did happen. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

By who?

[Cody]

Angry cops.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, thought you meant just a rando.

[Cody]

No, no. Was it just like, somebody hate your YouTube.

[Donut Operator]

Crowd goes wild.

[Hunter]

Oh, that's me, Chuck slamming Andre.

[Brandon Herrera]

They are screaming, dude.

[Donut Operator]

That is the entire hour and a half.

[Cody]

You need to come on one of our shows next time around.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'd be down for. I'd just be up there looking scared, I think, the whole time. But that'd be a good vibe.

[Wendigoon]

We can sit next to each other.

[Brandon Herrera]

And do that together.

[Cody]

The bigger venues, Honestly, it's weird because, like, I feel less nerves in the bigger venues.

[Brandon Herrera]

Can't see that many people because, like.

[Cody]

In the intimate one, like the first one we ever did here in San Antonio, it's like intimate where it's like, there's still, like, subtle lighting everywhere. It's like 300 people, but I could, like, spit on the first person very easily. Like, it's just that. No, separation didn't help.

[Hunter]

That was our only venue where we had to walk through the crowd to get to the stage.

[Donut Operator]

And then you have Boston, where it's like, cody, look, there's an entire new row of people up there.

[Hunter]

Third row.

[Cody]

Yeah, there's like a third. Third mezzanine.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was.

[Cody]

It was crazy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Insane.

[Wendigoon]

Yeah. The second one didn't bother me, but as soon as the lights came on, I Saw the third mezzanine. It was like, oh, there are so many more people here. I'm gonna myself.

[Brandon Herrera]

How big were those rooms?

[Donut Operator]

1100 seats. Sold out.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Oh, man, that's insane.

[Cody]

The same place that Joe Rogan filmed is like, I think Strange Times special for Netflix.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wow.

[Cody]

It was a big venue and it was. It was a lot of fun.

[Hunter]

They call it the. The wall of Laughter because like. Like it's.

[Brandon Herrera]

It looks like the whole wall, three.

[Donut Operator]

Rows when you zoom in is like.

[Hunter]

You'Re completely zoomed in right now.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

What the.

[Donut Operator]

And then you zoom out.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's just. What the heck? That is wild. Cody, I'm so proud of you. You didn't throw up or anything.

[Wendigoon]

Thanks, man. Almost.

[Cody]

I just myself.

[Brandon Herrera]

That'd be really wild if you actually did on stage.

[Cody]

Just yourself.

[Brandon Herrera]

On stage.

[Wendigoon]

Myself. I'm not going to tell anyone.

[Cody]

Nope.

[Wendigoon]

Just stare into the third message.

[Donut Operator]

I still most proud on the very last Buffalo Little Everyone. You killed it every time. And then it's like, Cody, close this out on the last show and you're like, hi, everyone. Yes. So you nailed it every time until.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's a very Cody response.

[Donut Operator]

I think the only way.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm glad you all had a good time. It sounds like a lot of fun.

[Donut Operator]

It was a blast.

[Cody]

Do you think you're gonna keep doing creepcast live tours?

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm certainly down for it. I enjoy it. Hunter. Hunter has this awful. And I'll talk about him because he's not here. Hunter is like one of the funniest people I know, if not the funniest. And he does not believe that he's. He's so like self conscious about all the time. After the tour, he's like, oh, no. I don't know if they liked it. I don't if they liked. I'm like, bro, they loved it. Everyone loved it. It was a great time and stuff.

[Cody]

So we say it all the time here. Like, he's one of the most naturally funny people.

[Brandon Herrera]

It. It makes me so mad how funny he is all the time. Like, he's the dude's hilarious. It pisses me off, but I would love to do one as soon as I can bully him into it. I'm. Yeah, I'm definitely down to doing because I had a ton of fun. I enjoyed it. Being on the road and seeing everyone at shows and stuff like that. I think it went well. So, yeah, it was a good time.

[Donut Operator]

Well, I want to see you guys on a big venue or just. Yeah, just on a big venue because it is it's terrifying at first, then you get used to it. Then after a while, it just becomes that routine. You build it. And by the boss, the big shows, we had it. Everyone had it locked in what we needed to do. And even with Buffalo, where we changed every thing, that was a. That show just, like, moved to completely new pieces of comedy. We're like, what's happening right now?

[Hunter]

Why is Rich bringing out folding tables?

[Wendigoon]

It was fun seeing angry cops in his element. Like, he had the bills mafia there, and he brought out folding tables. Just crashing people through. So fun.

[Hunter]

We rolled up in a decommissioned fire truck that was full of alcohol.

[Donut Operator]

I sent that photo to you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Also side note, that photo, your reply was like, I want to leave now. We won't say Hunter. Like, I got that in our little group chat, and I started dying.

[Brandon Herrera]

He does that all the time. I'll just be talking about something and randomly be like, I've got the cyst on my leg. And I'm like, really, bro? And he's like, yeah. And it'll be a picture from, like, just full cheeks. And then he'll. I won't answer for a minute. He'll be like, are you there? Are you okay? Hey, hey.

[Donut Operator]

God bless her, boy. On that note, Cody, you want to close out, you beautiful son of.

[Cody]

Bye, everyone.

[Wendigoon]

Thank you for joining the unsubscribed podcast. I was joined today by Eli Double Tap, fat electrician, Our baby boy, Wendigoo. Brandon Herrera, myself Dawn and operator. Thank you so much for watching our stuff. We love you, Windigoon.

[Donut Operator]

Where do we find you?

[Brandon Herrera]

You find me at Wendigoon here on YouTube and also creepcast. And if you can spare a moment, check out the Appalachian Rebuild Project. Very proud of what we're doing over there. Very happy to have a lot of good people on the ground who make good things happen. So check that out if you have the time.

[Cody]

And people can donate directly there.

[Brandon Herrera]

They can donate directly depending on when this goes up till January 2. I have a merch drop. All proceeds from that also go to it. Or you can donate directly to the apr. Or there's also, like, merch, like, you know, made to ship stuff on the APR website. Profits also go there. There's a bunch of ways if you want to, but just sharing, checking out, anything means the world. So.

[Donut Operator]

Okay. Appreciate you, brother.

[Brandon Herrera]

Absolutely appreciate it.

[Cody]

Love you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Hold on.

[Wendigoon]

Round of applause for.

[Brandon Herrera]

Thank you for your service.

[Cody]

B tier, my ass.

[Donut Operator]

Like, everyone but.

[Cody]

Man.