Unsubscribe Podcast Episode 202: "What REALLY Happens At The Pentagon? Our TOP Secret Mission"

Release Date: March 3, 2025
Hosts: Eli Cuevas, Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator, The Fat Electrician
Guest: Sergeant Major Christopher Mullinax, General George

1. Recording at the Pentagon

The episode kicks off with the hosts—Eli Cuevas, Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator, and The Fat Electrician—revealing an unprecedented setting: the Pentagon. This unique backdrop sets the tone for an in-depth exploration of military operations and insider perspectives.

[01:29] Eli Cuevas: "Like, we're actually... we are in the Pentagon."

2. The White Claw Challenge

A humorous segment ensues as the hosts discuss being among the first authorized individuals to consume White Claw at the Pentagon. The conversation blends camaraderie with light-hearted competition, underscoring the informal yet respectful environment among military personnel.

[03:09] Brandon Herrera: "First one to finish a White Claw in the Pentagon. Here we go."

3. Interview with Sergeant Major Mullinax

The core of the episode features an extensive interview with Sergeant Major Christopher Mullinax. With over three decades of military service, Mullinax shares his journey, from joining the Army in 1992 to his assignments in Italy and Alaska. He delves into the evolution of military training, the transition from peacetime to wartime operations, and the significance of mentorship from Vietnam veterans.

[06:47] Sergeant Major Mullinax: "First assignment was Vicenza, Italy, and there were a lot of Vietnam veterans that were kind of still, you know..."

Mullinax emphasizes the importance of identity within the Army, advocating for a standards-based approach that prioritizes capability and reliability over identity politics.

[28:21] Sergeant Major Mullinax: "We've got to remember that identity matters. Like, I mean, we're very tribal in the army."

4. Evolution of the Ranger Regiment

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the Ranger Regiment and its assessment programs. Mullinax provides insights into the rigors of the Ranger Assessment Selection Program (RASP), contrasting it with his experiences in the earlier RIP program. He highlights the increased professionalism and stringent criteria that modern RASP employs to cultivate highly capable Rangers.

[40:34] Brandon Herrera: "Give them like get like when they smoke. You say smoke session..."

[41:36] Nick Mullinax: "RASP is still really, really hard. In fact, it's harder than it was then."

5. Technological Advancements and Military Acquisitions

The conversation shifts to military technology and the acquisition process. Mullinax discusses the Army Futures Command's role in modernizing equipment, including the introduction of the M17 pistol and the Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW) program. The hosts and Mullinax explore the challenges of integrating new technologies, such as drones and advanced rifles, into active duty.

[82:24] Fat Electrician: "I think we're going to have increases in lethality across the army with the new rifle, the 6.8."

6. Organizational Change and Bottom-Up Feedback

Mullinax elaborates on the bottom-up approach to organizational change within the Army. Instead of top-down directives, the Army Futures Command solicits feedback directly from soldiers to inform procurement and training decisions. This approach aims to ensure that new equipment and strategies are practical and effective on the ground.

[106:... ] Dave Butler: "We're getting all those lessons and taking them back to the Pentagon to make informed decisions based on real-world feedback."

7. Future Plans and the 250th Anniversary

Looking ahead, the hosts discuss plans for the Army's 250th anniversary, emphasizing the importance of showcasing the Army's legacy and ongoing transformations. The conversation touches on potential events, collaborations, and the role of the podcast in promoting military pride and community support.

[114:54] Brandon Herrera: "This is going to be the best army birthday of any country ever."

8. Humorous Interludes and Behind-the-Scenes Moments

Throughout the episode, the hosts intersperse humor and candid moments, such as accidental spills of White Claw cans, playful banter about military ranks, and light-hearted jabs at each other's antics. These segments humanize the hosts and provide a relatable contrast to the serious topics discussed.

[89:00] Eli Cuevas: "We would frame that paperwork."

[95:47] Cody: "We're rapidly approaching the point we all get cat cards that say DOD designated dipshit."

9. Conclusion: Bridging Military and Civilian Worlds

The episode wraps up with reflections on the podcast's mission to bridge the gap between military personnel and civilians. The hosts express their commitment to supporting veterans, promoting mental health, and fostering a sense of community. They acknowledge the challenges of operating within Pentagon protocols while striving to deliver honest and impactful content.

[121:16] Brandon Herrera: "And taking that, I'll apply it the rest of my life because... it's part of the legacy we build."

Notable Quotes:

• [32:01] Sergeant Major Mullinax: "Look, man, hey, look, if nobody's shooting at you, why are you stressed?"

• [83:06] Eli Cuevas: "So is that like DARPA kind of stuff or what exactly does that entail?"

• [120:43] Cody: "I'm the news now."

This episode offers a rare glimpse into the inner workings of the Pentagon, enriched by the experiences and insights of seasoned military leaders. Balancing humor with profound discussions, the Unsubscribe Podcast delivers a comprehensive narrative on military life, organizational change, and the continuous evolution of defense strategies.