216 - The Gang Gets Recruited To The Military ft. Colonel Butler | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 216

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Unsubscribe Podcast Episode 216 Summary: "The Gang Gets Recruited To The Military ft. Colonel Butler"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Unsubscribe Podcast
• Host/Author: UnsubscribePodcast
• Description: Welcome to the Unsubscribe Podcast with Eli Doubletap, Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator & The Fat Electrician!
• Episode: 216 - The Gang Gets Recruited To The Military ft. Colonel Butler
• Release Date: June 9, 2025

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1. Introduction and Guest Welcome (00:00 - 01:00)

The episode opens with the usual banter among the hosts Eli Doubletap, Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator, and Dr. Alex Miller, who introduce Colonel Butler as a guest. The hosts engage in light-hearted jokes, setting an informal and friendly tone for the episode.

2. Media Interaction and Pentagon Response (01:00 - 04:30)

Eli Doubletap shares an anecdote about being invited to participate in the podcast by General George, emphasizing the support from military leadership. Dr. Alex Miller discusses the diverse reactions from the Pentagon following the airing of a previous episode, highlighting both supportive and critical feedback.

• Notable Quote: Eli Doubletap (01:06): “We have been known to, but the forward-thinking people are like, I'm so glad what you guys are doing.”

3. Public Affairs and Transparency in the Military (04:30 - 09:00)

Dr. Alex Miller delves into the importance of transparency and open communication within military public affairs. He criticizes the traditional approach where senior public affairs officers remain largely behind the scenes, advocating for more visibility and direct engagement with the media and public.

• Notable Quote: Dr. Alex Miller (07:35): “We can say, hey, here's what's happening and why... we have to empower them.”

4. Modernization and Budget Reallocation (09:00 - 17:00)

The conversation shifts to the Army's budgetary constraints and the ongoing efforts to modernize the force without seeking additional funding. Eli Doubletap and Dr. Miller discuss the cancellation of the Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) program to reallocate funds towards critical areas such as drones, AI, and infantry squad vehicles (ISVs).

• Notable Quote: Eli Doubletap (13:00): “We're figuring them out.”

5. Introduction of Infantry Squad Vehicles (ISVs) and Technological Innovations (17:00 - 21:00)

Dr. Alex Miller introduces the Infantry Squad Vehicle (ISV), a lightweight, cost-effective alternative to the traditional Humvee. The ISV, developed in collaboration with General Motors Defense, offers enhanced mobility and ease of repair, making it suitable for modern, fast-paced battlefields.

• Notable Quote: Dr. Alex Miller (14:52): “It's like the Warthog from Halo. It is awesome.”

6. Challenges with Bureaucracy and Procurement (21:00 - 34:00)

The hosts discuss the hurdles posed by military bureaucracy and outdated procurement processes. Dr. Miller critiques the long lead times and rigid budget lines that hinder timely acquisition of necessary equipment, advocating for a more flexible and efficient approach to military spending.

• Notable Quote: Dr. Alex Miller (51:28): “If you're a budget nerd, the army's budget this year was about $185 billion, which sounds like a lot because it is.”

7. Ranger School and Military Training Experiences (34:00 - 60:00)

Eli Doubletap and Donut Operator share their experiences with Ranger School, detailing the intense physical and mental challenges involved. Stories of camaraderie, leadership under stress, and the rigorous training regimen highlight the transformative nature of such military training.

• Notable Quote: Eli Doubletap (59:35): “It's a leadership school. So you consistently put into leadership roles where you're like, you know, all these people that are sucking as bad as you now you're in charge of them.”

8. Army’s 250th Birthday Celebrations (60:00 - 84:00)

The discussion moves to the upcoming 250th anniversary of the Army, outlining plans for a large parade in downtown Washington, D.C., and a "Best Squad Competition." The hosts express excitement about the festivities and the opportunity to showcase the Army’s evolution and modernization efforts to the public.

• Notable Quote: Eli Doubletap (72:03): “It's the Army's 250th birthday and... a massive parade downtown D.C. which the President will reside over.”

9. Integration of Tech Executives into the Military Reserve (84:00 - 101:00)

Dr. Alex Miller announces the commissioning of high-level tech executives from prominent companies into the Army Reserve. This initiative aims to bring specialized technological expertise into the military to aid in modernization and problem-solving. The process involves reservists committing a limited number of hours annually to support military operations.

• Notable Quote: Dr. Alex Miller (85:05): “We're going to commission them as lieutenant colonels. We got the SEC DEF approved it. Congress is tracking.”

10. Future Directions and Conclusion (101:00 - End)

In the final segments, the team discusses ongoing and future projects, including live fire tests of new tanks and the continued transformation of the Army’s command and control systems through app-based solutions. The episode concludes with the hosts expressing gratitude to Colonel Butler and emphasizing the importance of the Army’s initiatives.

• Notable Quote: Dr. Alex Miller (107:03): “And here’s the coolest thing, it is a tank. And they're like, where's the gauss cannon?”

Key Takeaways:

• Modernization Efforts: The Army is actively seeking to modernize its fleet and operations through the introduction of ISVs, drones, and AI technologies.
• Budget Challenges: With the smallest budget among military departments, the Army is reallocating funds from canceled programs to essential areas to enhance soldier capabilities.
• Transparency and Public Affairs: There is a push for greater transparency and public engagement within military public affairs to build trust and visibility.
• Integration of Tech Talent: Commissioning tech executives into the Army Reserve represents a strategic move to incorporate specialized knowledge and drive innovation.
• Celebrating Milestones: The Army’s 250th birthday serves as a platform to highlight its evolution and engage with the public through events and competitions.

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Transcript

[Eli Double Tap]

Put a bunch of paratroopers together, give them ISVs and give them Starlink, and it's pretty amazing what they can accomplish.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like, what if we just didn't put soldiers in really situations all the time?

[Donut Operator]

What are we paying him for though? I want meat shields.

[Colonel Butler]

Ah.

[Donut Operator]

Say hi to Eli. He's racially ambiguous. And Brandon, his hair is fabulous. Donut, a dog joke disposition.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And there's a fat electrician looking to unsubscribe.

[Donut Operator]

3, 2, 1.

[Colonel Butler]

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by ELI Double Tap, Dr. Alex Miller, Colonel Butler, Brandon Herrera, myself, donut operator. Thank you so much for coming.

[Eli Double Tap]

Hi.

[Donut Operator]

Welcome, everyone. Welcome, guys.

[Eli Double Tap]

Damn good to be here, dude.

[Donut Operator]

We're excited to have you.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I'm excited to be here.

[Donut Operator]

This is your first time.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It is. I feel. Dr. Alex, I'm uncomfortable, but it's fine.

[Eli Double Tap]

Here's how, here's how it went down. I said to General George, hey, I'm going on unsubscribed podcast. And he was like, yeah, great. Alex is going with you. Super serious. Like, you're not going alone.

[Donut Operator]

No. He didn't trust you.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, Alex really knows what he's talking about. I kind of know.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, I just use very fancy words. And people trust me.

[Eli Double Tap]

He's a doctor.

[Brandon Herrera]

He gave you the. You gotta bring your little brother if.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You go.

[Eli Double Tap]

Totally flat. Good. You're taking Alex with you. Yes, sir. Of course. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

I'm surprised they like. How was it after the first episode aired for you guys, was it, huh?

[Brandon Herrera]

The Pentagon.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, the Pentagon one. It was like super positive response on eyesight and you actually were like, holy shit, this is a lot of positivity.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, man. Yeah. Well, I mean, you guys bring a very positive vibe. And, you know, that's one of the reasons we love you. That's one of the reasons your fans love you. That's.

[Donut Operator]

They bring the positive. Yeah, we just got lucky.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you stay generally, you know, you like, you stay positive and it's just. First of all, it's a great freaking pod to listen to. But. So what was your reaction from the Pentagon? There were the haters. They're like, what are you doing? I got a funny team's message. Are you promoting drinking in the Pentagon?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I was like, I don't think it needs to be promoted.

[Eli Double Tap]

I was like, wait, are you talking about the podcast or in general? Because I have been known. But the forward thinking people are like, I'm so glad what you guys are Doing, you know, what, what they see you guys do for the community, for people interested in the military, for just people interested in general. It's great.

[Donut Operator]

I think it was a blast. I mean, that was one of those staple. Like we still talk about that. It's one of those weird. Holy shit. That was a thing.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm not surprised that there would be people in the Pentagon that would be talking down about it. But at the same time, it's a. It's quite an interesting thing considering just a few months prior, you know, every. The entire world got to see what the medium of podcast did to, I don't know, let's say a presidential election.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's right.

[Brandon Herrera]

And see that power and go, nah.

[Eli Double Tap]

But it's probably not it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That's. Yeah, well, yeah, definitely not it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, I guess. Nah, that's not gonna last.

[Brandon Herrera]

The other part, can we do more print media?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

All of it long form, like newspapers, just being able to communicate. Right. So. So normally the Pentagon doesn't talk to the people. We talk through all kinds of spokespeople and, you know, they sort of hear about it. So for leadership, just to go, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to. We're going to have a conversation. We're just going to tell you what we're thinking. We're just going to be very open. That is antithetical to how a lot of bureaucrats were raised and being able to go from the chief and the chief spokesman and like people on the staff down to every private, every sergeant, every officer in the army and go, hey, here's what's happening. Unheard of. So the reaction from the force was, hey, I also want to drink White Claws. But it was. That's an awesome message. Thank you for doing that.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, yeah, that's all. I mean, even from all of us, it was that standpoint and seeing behind the camera, because you did have specialists that were laughing in the background and you got us, you guys didn't get to see them, but in the background.

[Eli Double Tap]

By the way, gone.

[Donut Operator]

Gone is just an awesome experience and one we will always remember. And I mean, you Google like fat electrician, first person to drink officially. And that's like staple in AI now and everything.

[Colonel Butler]

Dick slammed it.

[Donut Operator]

We didn't know he was racing.

[Eli Double Tap]

Did you see that?

[Colonel Butler]

That part.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Colonel Butler]

Nick was just. I'm the first person to do it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Dick. Yeah, he made the big announcement.

[Brandon Herrera]

If I knew it was that special of a thing, because I knew it was like, oh, wow, that's. That's really Cool that we get, like, a waiver. I didn't. It was, like, first officially drank consumed alcoholic beverage in the Pentagon, minus all the hidden speakeasies.

[Eli Double Tap]

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but it's probably not the first alcoholic beverage consumed in the Pentagon officially.

[Brandon Herrera]

Officially, like, signed off on.

[Eli Double Tap]

I mean, there's like. There's. There's what, like, you mean we were supposed to ask social occasions and stuff there. The process exists, but it was certainly the first one. Doing a podcast in the Pentagon and on, you know, drinking a white claw during the podcast. Anyway, I'm a spokesman. I can make it the first of anything if you get a narrow enough.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, but I was. If. If we knew it was that special of an occasion, we would have probably chosen something other than a white claw. Would have maybe, like, brought some, I don't know, decent bourbon or something for everybody.

[Eli Double Tap]

I actually. So the feedback. I did get some shit about that. Yeah. White claws. Really? And then I guess I said, people's drink. I love the smell White claw in the morning. So people quoted that back to me.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's right.

[Eli Double Tap]

I mean, Alex is a big white claw guy.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So he was like, I'm soft and supple. Leave me alone.

[Donut Operator]

We. I mean, that was. We probably would have got out, like, a bourbon of some type and then been completely wrecked by the end of it because we would have finished it.

[Colonel Butler]

You should have got the.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, it would have been a very big race.

[Brandon Herrera]

Nick is still just slamming a harder exception.

[Eli Double Tap]

Now we're only drinking three bottles of bourbon. So, you know, I had to remember. I had to count the number of white cloths, which we miscounted.

[Donut Operator]

But the only person to ever say eight.

[Eli Double Tap]

The special eight pack.

[Donut Operator]

So what is it now? After that? It's like, okay, hey, do we normalize that, or is that like more people at the Pentagon podcast? Right? Well, like, podcast. Anything at the Pentagon is like, okay, hey, let's start introducing this media for the military aspect of it.

[Eli Double Tap]

So we haven't. But General George is like, we just made a big announcement. You know, we're gonna talk about that here today. But we just made a big announcement. Probably the most fundamental change of our lifetimes for the Army. And General George is like, get me on a bunch of podcasts. And Secretary Driscoll is right behind. And so, yeah, he. That's the way he's thinking, at least. And. And we're trying to help him. But look, one of the reasons I'm on here today is to try to set the example for people that do my job, you're allowed, literally the first, first thing in my title is public. So public affairs officers, be public, talk to the people, talk to the media. You know, we've got public affairs, very senior ranking public affairs officers that you can never find a quote from them or you can never find a place where they've ever been public. And they keep. Continue to rise up the ranks. And that's not the whole job, but that's certainly part of the job. I mean, literally, it says it in our job title. So we. One of the reasons I'm here is like, try to set. Set the example for the whole field. Get out there, talk to people.

[Donut Operator]

How the hell do you do a public PR job and not public.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Affairs?

[Eli Double Tap]

They put their bosses in front. They're like, I can't answer this question, but, you know, General George can or whatever. And he keeps us close enough where we can answer any questions. Alex has been, for the past week and a half, he's been on the Hill answering questions to Congress as a representative of General George.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's been very fun. I've enjoyed every moment of it.

[Donut Operator]

I mean, terrifying. Sorry, I would not do that like that. I gotta speak from somebody else and if I fuck up, it's for them.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So that's a good point. That's something that we're always afraid of is, hey, what if I'm wrong? Okay. There is this very bad sort of mentality that you can never be wrong. And that's not true. So one of the things I actually learned from Dave was if you're wrong and it's not on purpose, it's okay, we can fix it. If you don't know that's the problem. And I think that's what Dave's hitting at like a lot of the public affairs. And I'm a technologist, right? So my job is to make sure I know and help. People who are uninformed are the ones that are not actually helping. So if they don't go out there and they say, hey, this is why we're doing it, then they're afraid to be in public. They're afraid to get out front. And then they put their bosses in a terrible position because then they go, hey, my boss knows. And we don't know if that's true.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, I go on about for days. Yeah, go on. Well, the other thing is, like, we get, and this is like traditional media, but we get, we get plenty of questions, right to the Army. And everything is email, you know, everything is some Curated response via email. And there's a couple of great public affairs officers who, you know, I lean on. And as soon as some, as soon as we get any question from the media, pick up the phone, go meet that person, explain the whole context. You want to talk to me on the record? And people are like, you mean by name? Sure, I'll talk down the record. It's a super surprise. But, but we should be proud about the stuff we're doing. I mean, we're doing, especially now. We're doing some freaking amazing things. And so I'm like, yes, on the record. Let's talk about it. Let's, you know, give me some of your time, because I, I'm gonna tell you what the army's doing, and I don't know, we're doing good.

[Donut Operator]

So I think that, like, Brandon, coming from your side, was that ever scary for you? It's like, hey, I'm going. You spoke for yourself that entire campaign.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it was always, oh, yeah, when I did the politics thing. Not really. Just because I, I don't know, it's, it's a very similar culture where people are afraid to not know things. And so I, I, I did my homework. Like, I knew a decent bit about what I was talking about, like, the major core issues. And I did something where most people do their little stump speech and then they leave. I did like five minutes of this is who I am. This is what I think. Do you guys have questions? I did almost entirely Q and A.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Which I thrive in that because I just, I feel like it's, People stop paying attention after five, 10 minutes anyway. And then if they, they engage back and forth and you're, you're actually answering questions and not ducking them, that's way better. And I wasn't afraid if somebody would ask me about some particular agriculture bill that I wasn't familiar with and be like, hey, I don't know the answer to that question yet, but I can find it for you. Like, this is broad, broad strokes. This is what I believe, but I'm not familiar with that particular bill. Would you mind telling me about it?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And it's something they taught us a long time ago, at least they taught me a long time ago, was one of the most powerful things you can do as a leader is say, admit you don't know. Because too many people, you get into the bullshit cycle, people just make up answers if they think it's what you want to hear. So it's been good.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think it helps people trust you too.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Agreed. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Where you're just like, I'm not afraid to admit that I don't know the answer to that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Especially about niche or complex topics. And that's what. So Dave talked about this big announcement that we did as the Army. There's a lot of complex topics in there in terms of things we're going to stop and things that we want to do and the technology ecosystem and how we want to engage and like, how we actually take care of soldiers. Some of it, like, we have a lot of good data and analysis. There's a reason why we're doing it. We know this. Some of it. There's unintended consequences that are going to pop up. And frankly, the Secretary and the chief. So Secretary Driscoll and General George have said, we're going to fight through this. Sometimes something's going to pop up. We'll figure it out. And that's why, again, I've been on the Hill for the last couple of weeks. I'll be on the Hill again tomorrow. Some of it's just explaining to our board of directors, Congress, hey, here's what's happening and why and, oh, if these things happen. We'll figure that out.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yep. You could over. You could. You could overstaff. You could wait for. Until you have every detail, all the answers or whatever. Secretary Driscoll, General George said, nope, let's go public. Let's go to the Hill. We're making these changes and. And there's still plenty of things we need to figure out. So we're figuring them out.

[Donut Operator]

That'd be the hardest part with that is in the military side, some of that stuff is outdated and people hate change. That's the one thing I do remember is change.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Terrifying in the military. And it's like, no, we need these very ancient equipment. We'll just keep it going and spend way too much on it. But you guys are actually the first ones. Like, hey, let's.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

What if we didn't.

[Eli Double Tap]

Soldiers don't hate change.

[Donut Operator]

No.

[Eli Double Tap]

They're like, why are we still doing this dumb shit? So they're ready for the change. And. And that's what's great about it. You know, when we go. We were just at jrtc. Is it last week?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It was last week.

[Eli Double Tap]

Last week. And man, the soldiers out there, because we gave them all the new. And they're like, this is freaking awesome. They're figuring out, they're teaching us and how they're going to use it and what's good, what's not. So they're ready for change. It's, you know, we talked about it a little bit last time. The defense industrial complex, the big primes, the congressional districts, those folks don't want to change. You know, there's interests that they're trying to protect and it's money.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

There's lots and lots of money involved. And like one of the good. One of the coolest things I got to see is I went down to JRTC down in southern Louisiana early just so I could be embedded with First Brigade 101st for a little bit of time. I showed you the infantry squad vehicle. So that, that new thing, that's a. It's a General Motors defense. It's a Chevy Colorado that's been militarized with a Hendrick chassis. It looks like the Warthog from Halo. It is awesome.

[Donut Operator]

Wait, what?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It so infantry squad vehicle.

[Brandon Herrera]

It really did.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. So.

[Eli Double Tap]

Right. So that's badass, right?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's a troop carrier.

[Donut Operator]

You see Cody?

[Colonel Butler]

Yeah, he showed it to me a minute ago.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

There's a, there's a five seat variant and a nine seat variant.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, that would do good against IEDs. Well, do you ever have any bad habits?

[Colonel Butler]

Yeah, I've had bad habits. What are we doing it now?

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Sorry.

[Donut Operator]

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[Colonel Butler]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Colonel Butler]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Eli Double Tap]

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[Colonel Butler]

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[Dr. Alex Miller]

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[Colonel Butler]

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[Dr. Alex Miller]

So it's not an ID vehicle. Right. So we have heavy vehicles. Unless we make it a robot, IEDs.

[Eli Double Tap]

Will go right through.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, exactly.

[Eli Double Tap]

They go one fast. They just go so fast.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But like it's supposed to replace the Humvee and my dad got fielded Humvees in 1988, like as one of the first units. So. But we're still building and buying them now and we just want to replace it with, with cooler vehicles that are super light, super cheap. Right. So we pay about a 150 for those. 150k.

[Donut Operator]

These probably rip compared to if. No. Okay, so for anyone out there, Brennan, have you rode in like an actual like up armored Humvee?

[Colonel Butler]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, like zero to 60 and I think eight hours.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Four guys maybe.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Like this.

[Donut Operator]

It feels like you're entering the atmosphere. Once you hit highway speed, it is the worst thing in the world. Strikers are faster.

[Brandon Herrera]

How much does the, the army pay for a Humvee? Like a shitty Humvee like that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I think it's 300k.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it's.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I remember without, without the up armor. But the coolest thing is I got to drive with the convoy going from Alexandria airport to the box on the interstate and you just see a line of those and it's just, it's just paratroopers. Like some of them are under nod, some of them aren't. Like, it's just guys driving a truck because it's a Colorado that's been militarized.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And we can pump them out and they come off the same production line as the normal truck and they're easy to get. They can be repaired anywhere in the world and we don't have to keep the 40 year old thing just because we kept buying it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Better vehicle for half the price.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

And we're not, we're not fighting from the infantry squad vehicle. We're just mobile. We're moving around the battlefield. The whole, the new people, new battlefield calls calls for mass mobility. Right. So if you, you can see everywhere on the battlefield. If you can see, you can hit it. And so the survivable thing about the battlefield is by staying low, low signature and moving very fast. And that's why we have these, that's where we're fielding these vehicles. So you can, you know, we're gonna put this across the whole division. You'll be able to move a division. You guys are just watching.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, we're watching the robotic isv.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So. So we took.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's a cool story.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So we went to California, we went to the Valley, and we said, hey, what if we took one of these companies and we gave you an ISV? Could you turn into a robot in 10 days? And that's not. That's 10 days. And they said, we'll see what we can do. And once we got it, we were like, we don't know what to do with this thing. So we went, hey, let's just give it to a unit. First brigade 100 versus going to the box. Give it to them. They'll figure it out. First thing they said, I love them because it was the exact same idea that I had. They were like, we'll put C4 on it and we'll use it as a breaching asset. And I was like, I like Alpha.

[Eli Double Tap]

Cool.

[Donut Operator]

It's a remote control bomb.

[Brandon Herrera]

Me thinks whoever was in the 101st at the time played a lot of battlefield back in the day.

[Donut Operator]

Me thinks you're right.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Well, the problem was I was like, that's the exact same that I thought of. Oh my God, don't blow up my vehicle. And they came up with some cool things. They did resupplies. They had it go through Wadi's. It was just a cool experiment to watch a robotic vehicle and us enable that. Yeah, they fit on the back of a Chinook. You can sling load them.

[Donut Operator]

Right in there. That's gangster.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Almost like we thought that through.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

The Ranger regiment took the top of it. They put a 360 gun turret on there and they can, you know, they put a gunner up top, no cupola. So it's super light. So it's just a good light, cheap vehicle that we can put anywhere in the world and it can drive anywhere. In fact, when the hurricanes hit North Carolina last year, a lot of the roads washed out and like North Carolina. North Carolina is still home for me. So it was. It was personal. Humvees couldn't get there. And the National Guard has Humvees and the Guard's doing amazing work all over the world, but the ISVs could. So we deployed the 82nd and the 101st for hurricane relief. And their ISVs were the things that could get them there.

[Eli Double Tap]

Put a bunch of paratroopers together, give them ISVs and give them Starlink, and it's pretty amazing.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

They can solve anything.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And drone.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's what we did.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like five people. It was awesome.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, we had like. The strikers were way faster than the Humvees. That's the one.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

True.

[Donut Operator]

And you're looking at. How much does a striker weigh? 120,000 pounds.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Oh, it's more than that. With all the up armor and all the reactive armor and everything.

[Donut Operator]

Like £200,000. Like fat bitches. But they ran like.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But they were.

[Donut Operator]

You could.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

They had great personalities.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Not the ones in Austin.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Get inside the torta.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Back door opens up.

[Donut Operator]

I love those things. We gotta have fun with them. It's like. Yes, yes.

[Brandon Herrera]

The no utility waddling vehicle.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Still talking about the striker, right?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. The Striker had a big following of. Of contractors, FSRs with field service reps. And so we had. It was, you know, it's contract madness. We had all these contracts built. Yes, we'll buy a bunch of strikers, but who's it gd or who's. Who makes them?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yes, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

General Dynamics fields a bunch of contractors with them. And so we can't fix our own frigging vehicles.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So. And let me give you an example. So in general, George tells the story very eloquently. If you wanted to weld something to your striker, let's say you want to just like a new ruck mount or like put your at fours on the side of it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Non commissioned officers can think of anything. Like, let him fuck with the striker a little bit.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You can't, like, you legally can't because of the contract that we had. So if one of your maintenance guys, who is a certified welder and a mechanic cannot weld to the side of that because of a contract that we signed probably right at the start of gwod.

[Donut Operator]

So is that why, like, I remember when they added the V mount or the.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, the double V holes.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, the V holes. So one of the issues when these first hit is IEDs, they were soft under armour. So you had the birdcage on the side. It would stop RPGs. That's about. And some IED blast. But underneath was just a problem.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, because if you know anything about directional explosives, you basically just created a bowl to absorb the IED instead of deflect it. So you made it worse, essentially.

[Donut Operator]

And they had turned into a shaped charge.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah, Literally.

[Donut Operator]

So we had to actually bring them on base and then they were down for, I think it was like a week while all the units or our battalion had the vehicles put in. So it's like, hey, look, they take blasts better now from underneath. You don't have to worry about that. But that was months into deployment and it was. I didn't realize that we couldn't touch them physically. That's why we drop them off.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Which is also why when you put the bird cages on there or. Or, like, the bag of bolts. You'll hear that term now for, like, the drone problem. Most of the solutions that our soldiers come up with, given, like, the boundary condition you can't weld on this is they're super simple. Like, here's literally a sandbag full of bolts so that if something explodes, the kinetic energy goes out through the bolts. Because we can't weld it. We can't put new stuff on there.

[Donut Operator]

That's why we would wrap it in the. The netting. So no shit. And then we would just put. Yeah, and then we put the bulletproof glass on the sides for that. I always wonder why we did that shit. That makes way more sense. I was like, oh, we're just soldiers. That makes sense.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You're shoving problems. I was given a condition.

[Donut Operator]

We would just put bulletproof glass where the VC would stand up and do patrols. Because you're just like that. And then you just do a camo net wrap around the top.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's like popemobile light. Like, just put the bulletproof.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, it wasn't meant to stop anything. It was just. So if you're getting a sniper, they can't see. Hopefully they can't see your silhouette through the sniper net. And you just. You're still, like, standing up in the hell hole. You're never down. You have four people up at any given time when you're riding around. So you're just like, oh, we'll do this, and then we'll look around, and that's it. But you do a sniper net around it and just hope for the best.

[Brandon Herrera]

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[Dr. Alex Miller]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Dr. Alex Miller]

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[Eli Double Tap]

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[Donut Operator]

There's a God.

[Eli Double Tap]

I mean, you know, it wasn't. It was like a minute in before we got into the. The interest in congressional districts and stuff. I mean, look, something we need to talk about.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's true facts.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. True facts. So that's what I was doing.

[Donut Operator]

That's the stuff. I'm like, yeah, I tip my hat to all y' all for doing that. Still. I don't know how you guys do that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Not addicted. It's fine.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, so we.

[Brandon Herrera]

I can quit anytime I want.

[Eli Double Tap]

We've been trying General George. In the, you know, year and a half, almost two years he's been the chief. We've been trying to cancel stuff. Trying to cancel stuff. And you know, Secretary Driscoll new and administration come on board and he's like, we're canceling it, just do it. And you know, you've got people. We want to, we want him to make informed decisions. We're like, okay, but you know, so and so is going to be super mad this congressional district's gonna be affected. You know, we're gonna have to explain this to Congress. We're gonna have to do this, gonna have to do that. And then there's a trade offs. And he's like, nope, screw it. We're doing what's right for the soldier. First time. And we're not gonna change, we're not gonna. And I'm like, okay, I'm in, I'm in.

[Donut Operator]

So, because I mean in your career, how long have you ever seen that before? In what, 20, 25, 30 years?

[Eli Double Tap]

No, I mean, no, I was a real soldier before this. So I, I haven't been that and then Pentagon that long. But I'll just use the example of canceling the fara. What the hell stand for?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Future. Oh man, Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. So we canceled this billion dollar program.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

My brain is full of memes and.

[Eli Double Tap]

Acronyms about what, eight months ago or something. Oh yeah, yeah. And instead of taking all that money, it was, you know, billions of dollars into the future and, and that's a hard thing to cancel. So credit, credit to our last set of bosses. But instead of taking all that money and investing it in stuff that we know soldiers need, drones and you know, network drones, robots, AI robots, we put it back into our old ass helicopters because the FARA was going to be made in a certain congressional district. So we'll. Yes, so we traded, we cancel, we cancel far. Because that's what's best for the future of the army. So we're all celebrating, but we're taking all the money and we're putting it into old ass helicopters. And so that was a trade off, right? That we do. And this secretary and this chief is the trade off is going to the soldier.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

So that was great.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

$7 billion that we wanted to create to buy all the, the gee whiz future stuff to make sure that soldiers had the best stuff. And six point, I think like six or 6.8 of it. We had to go back and reinvest to make sure everybody was whole. And when you say gee whiz, a very technical term. So things like, we know that FTV drones are all over Ukraine. We've seen them in Gaza and in Israel. Being able to Just buy those and like stand up production lines. Because most of the stuff they're using overseas are Chinese parts. And we can't buy that. We don't want to subsidize the ccp. So how do we like buy in America or build in America? Like standing up, investing in the American industrial base to do that. Buying things like grown ground robots. So if we like I don't want a soldier to ever have to go through a breach first. That's silly. Like, we all know what the fatal funnel is. We all, hey, let's trade blood for steel and make sure it's their blood. And like let's spend the money and buy the robots to do that. Let's make sure that all the combo kit because we've all had like a 117 Golf fail on us or a 152. Like how about we just buy the right things and we outfit the rest of the army. Get smaller plates so that you're more maneuverable. So that. Because like we all had plate carriers. Because the IBA with like the Spaulders and the crotch pad and the like looks super cool, but like does not like maneuverable.

[Donut Operator]

I never put that on. I was like, man, I look so dope right now.

[Eli Double Tap]

I'm like, I'm gonna get Eli with the mirror picture.

[Donut Operator]

I'm so hot right now. This, I'm so sweaty. The cockpit, I would always wear well.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Did you got to protect the crown jewels.

[Donut Operator]

That was. That was it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

We never wore the shoulders. You didn't want the biceps.

[Brandon Herrera]

Not important.

[Eli Double Tap]

This.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

If this is gone, I can still.

[Donut Operator]

I didn't even wear plates.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I just wore that just to look cool.

[Donut Operator]

If I die, I die.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But like the level four armor, it's very heavy. But like, how do we get the smaller ones? Like, how do we invest in that? In the. In the materials and the compounds. And how do we buy that at the army scale instead of just spending money on stuff we don't need. I'll give you another one. So we always talk about far because that was a multi billion dollar thing. But there was this other system called the shadow developed in the.

[Eli Double Tap]

He does. The Shadow.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, that sounds super familiar.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

The uav, it's like this long.

[Donut Operator]

The big ass.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, we do.

[Donut Operator]

We tried to chuck one. You throw them, right?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No. So that's the puma and the raven. So you're thinking Raven. So Raven was like this puma was like this shadow was like wide as a table and it was. It had a rail and you had to like, yeet. It off to get it to go and. Or it had to have a Runway.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, we, dude, we chucked one and then it ate.

[Eli Double Tap]

We found the flying lawnmower.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And the problem is they could hear it too. So you would see like fmv, wait.

[Eli Double Tap]

The enemy could hear it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And they'd be like, you see like two dudes walking. All of a sudden they'd be like, they start running. So last year we were going to spend $77 million to keep those things alive to pay for 53 people.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh God.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And we were like, hey, like this seems like low hanging fruit. What if we just didn't waste that taxpayer dollars? What if we just didn't? What if we bought quadcopters for a couple of units? Everybody lost their minds.

[Donut Operator]

$500. Like how much is a fucking drone?

[Eli Double Tap]

Okay, so American made drone. Yeah. So if we buy one super cheap.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. So like one of ours very hardened. Like gps deny like you can do these things will fly anywhere. They're almost quiet. So I like you could fly it over there and you couldn't hear it here. Like it's actually super quiet. The ones that we buy, they're 30 to 50,000.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. But they're, they're ew hard so you can't, you can't jam them.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like all the, like all the lessons we learned from, from Russia.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But even, even as that, that's still 10 times less than the other stuff that we're buying.

[Eli Double Tap]

And it's going to come down with higher, higher production. So.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, of course.

[Eli Double Tap]

Anyway.

[Donut Operator]

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[Dr. Alex Miller]

Still 10 times less than the other stuff.

[Eli Double Tap]

That we're buying and it's going to come down with higher, higher production. So.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, of course. Anyway, that's wild. And again, how much were the originals?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So we were going to buy. We were just going to spend hundreds of millions. We were going to spend $77 million for 53 maintainers. Yeah, like around the world.

[Eli Double Tap]

And speaking of maintainers, what was the operational readiness rate, Alex?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

The highest it had ever been was 53%.

[Eli Double Tap]

So only 53% of those drones were capable of flying at any one time because the maintenance sucked on. Anyway.

[Donut Operator]

The flying efficient dude. That's as quiet as they are.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yep. And you can see, like, you can see where he launched it from.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, these are literally like DJI drones.

[Eli Double Tap]

Hey, hey, they're not dji.

[Donut Operator]

They're whatever they are.

[Brandon Herrera]

Not only do we want to not subsidize the ccp, but there are very real scenarios where potentially having Chinese supply chains are a bad idea.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, go figure. Maybe like not our enemy could be controlling the supply chain for all the stuff that we would use against not our enemy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, especially if they. Yeah, never mind.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, we're forgot terrifying with those things. That's the one thing I will say, like, watch it. We watch front like the frontline combat footage. That is the most terrifying thing that has been. I don't think anyone's seen it going that way.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, 70. 70% of casualties right now in Ukraine, Russia are from drones.

[Eli Double Tap]

Mm. Yeah, it's scary.

[Colonel Butler]

You'll see the guys just sit there and they'll see the drone. They'll just accept it.

[Donut Operator]

It's like.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. And they're shooting down. Half of the drones are shooting down. Are their own drones because there's, you know, we don't have mechanisms right now to do airspace management and figure out, like, if you're. If you're an instrument and there's a.

[Donut Operator]

Drone flying over, are you risking it?

[Eli Double Tap]

Pretty. Pretty sure I'm gonna shoot it. Yeah. Yeah. Unless, you know, specifically it's your drone. And so for.

[Donut Operator]

I can't even think of that. There's not like Blue Force trackers being like, hey, this is one. You're in your battle space. You know exactly where it is.

[Eli Double Tap]

But instead of developing like these big standalone systems where you need a truck and a. Like a big server and a satellite to figure all that out, we're building apps to be able to do that.

[Brandon Herrera]

You said apps.

[Eli Double Tap]

Apps.

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Everything is app everything. This kind of sounds, you know, there's iPhone. You don't have 11 iPhones, do you? To do 11 different things. So in the army, we have a. We have 11 iPhones, but they're not just iPhones, they're trucks by themselves with. With servers and groups of soldiers that have to run things. Our army, what we're invested in now is everything is application based. Application based and sits on one network so that soldiers aren't lugging around a whole bunch of. And we don't have extra soldiers doing all this extra stuff. Sorry, we had a separate app conversation.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, we were just showing cool stuff.

[Donut Operator]

Showing me the battle space with the.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Trying to manage all of the drones in the airspace.

[Donut Operator]

You're on patrol and you're like, is that mine? I don't know. It's one of those. I hope.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm overstimulated.

[Donut Operator]

Get the three gun shotgun out.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, that's been. One of my favorite things is the return of the combat shotgun.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Number one. Number one drone killer.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because there was a. There was a while where there was a legitimate conversation where it's like, aside from breaching, does the shotgun still have a role?

[Eli Double Tap]

I remember that coming.

[Brandon Herrera]

Then here comes dji. Or well, well.

[Eli Double Tap]

Shooting a shotgun. And it's probably dji.

[Donut Operator]

Are they. Are they still using the OG for whatever, the army's new shotgun, or is it going towards like that three gun style? Because I figured it'd be like a three gun style shotgun. So it's just speed ready, high tube.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Capacity, 12 rounds and long barrel because. Yeah, like you can't have a short barrel and maintain any level of accuracy. And they're using birdshot. Right.

[Donut Operator]

And they're lightest, really.

[Brandon Herrera]

Birdshot. Interesting. I heard. I heard a conversation and I wasn't sure if it was true or not? They said they were using buckshot because birdshot wasn't doing enough damage to the drones. But I'm not sure.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So it depends on how close you are. Um, and this just gets into, like, weird mechanics. Um, if you think about, like how cheap some of the drones are, if you can just knock off one of the rotors, you. You. It'll fly off and just crash out. Um, if it's super close and you can actually hit it with buckshot while they're maneuvering, you just kill it there. Hit it right. Main body, but the birdshot gives you a higher probability of hitting one of the rotors.

[Brandon Herrera]

Interesting.

[Donut Operator]

No, no tech. I love it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Right. Well, I mean, one of our battlefield. Yeah, one of our guys. And he's super smart. E5 type. Just like. Hey. How I would counter drones is, you know, if you look at a quadcopter, you got four very powerful electromagnets on there. And that's the rotors, like just throw ferrous sand at it. Like, just like T shirt tube sand. And it'll suck it up into the motor and just chew up the motor.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's very. That's smart, right?

[Eli Double Tap]

Soldiers come up with good shit all the time and bad shit.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yes. T shirt tube. Drone. T shirt tube.

[Donut Operator]

What is actually for you, what is some of the dumb privacy you had to deal with some dumbass soldiers dog.

[Eli Double Tap]

Probably not ripe for public.

[Donut Operator]

Damn it. I want to know if like. Yeah, there's this one guy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Public affair is talking shit about his.

[Eli Double Tap]

You gotta love him though, right?

[Donut Operator]

I love him so much.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's all very good.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, there's. Well, you guys have Vern Daly on when we were in the Pentagon. Yep. Sergeant Major. He was. He was my first sergeant when I was coming to commander. Oh, no shit, man. We had some good times. We had some good times. Yeah. He's a great guy.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, all those guys were fantastic. It was still the. Who's the individual with that was like stacked. He's like SCUBA combat or halo.

[Eli Double Tap]

Mullen X probably. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

That was the one.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Captain America.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

That's. I was like. That was my first reaction, seeing the stack. I was like, Jesus Christ.

[Brandon Herrera]

Guys, there's a bit where me and Cody, I'm just like.

[Eli Double Tap]

Instantly.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

He's what I like. He's also just. He's very well spoken. So he was one of the guys that we went to the hill as we rolled out this army transformation thing. So what One thing I appreciate about the team that we have Between Mike Weimer, the sergeant Major of the army, the chief, the secretary, is like, the team is just so high performing. Like, you have a bunch of smart people who have done a lot of really cool stuff, and he's one of them.

[Donut Operator]

Those guys are like, the entire chain of command seems extremely stacked for our very overqualified, which is fantastic. I was not expecting that. Like, period. Period. It was an awesome change. Was like, okay, these dudes. And even Romache speaks so highly of General Jorge. That's what he calls him. He's like, what's Jorge doing? What's Randy Jorge do?

[Brandon Herrera]

Would love to know the context behind that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I think Dave and I can do that once.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, there was. He just had a. A grandkid. And so There was about 24 hours where I was calling Gigi, Hey, GG and he was like, no.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Okay, that one's done.

[Donut Operator]

Okay. Yeah. But Romesha speaks so highly of him as a leader. He's like, that dude is one of the first dudes or one of the only dudes that had his back even when they got into that. I think when he got into that battle space, he was one of the few leadership that was like, hey, this is a stupid base.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

At Keaton.

[Donut Operator]

You know what? Keaton, it's in the bowl.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

General George was like, this is what? Why? Yeah, why? And they're still like, no, it was strategic. Until it wasn't strategic.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's right. And that, you know, at the time, a bunch of. He was Colonel George.

[Donut Operator]

Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

And there was a bunch of generals that were like, what are you talking about? Colonel, you can't. You can't move those. Those operating bases or outposts. And he was like, just did.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Lol.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Literally, the deal with it. Sunglasses.

[Eli Double Tap]

So. But that's what he's doing now. You know, you can't. You can't cut that program. Just did.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That's where you're wrong.

[Donut Operator]

Watch this.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was funny because you talk about your team and, like, the. That you've got, like, the guys that are just, you know, very well spoken, very articulate, and, you know, good people to have with you shoulder to shoulder in the. The Capitol. We saw a couple pictures of you guys in the Capitol having to go before Congress, and you guys looked like you were having a ball. I recognize the look. How about that?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So I have had to do. And the other person that's not here is Colonel Molly Salisbury. So she's my battle buddy on the Hill, and all of us have known each other for a long Time from.

[Eli Double Tap]

Some other units, intel officer, special operations background. We grew up together doing all this stuff.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But we had to go do the House Armed Services committee. I'll be with the Senate Armed Services committee tomorrow. The House Oversight for the hack and the sack. So Armed Services committees. And it was great. It was great. So the members have actually all been like super supportive. The members of Congress, the elected members of Congress have all said, okay, like I understand why you're doing it. You clearly have a lot of passion here. You've clearly made some decisions.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's clearly the right thing for the army.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like, right thing for the army, right thing for the country. Okay. What we've been doing is going and briefing the staff. So the professional staff members who help write laws, right? So it's like anything. They're the ones that are putting pen to paper and then taking it to their bosses. And then the military legislative assistants who are sort of like supposed to be their, their connective tissue to the military. They're the ones that, that think that they're going to grill us and like, hey, what are you doing and why? And have you thought about this? This episode is brought to you by Selectquote. Life insurance can have a huge impact.

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[Dr. Alex Miller]

And those engagements, some of them have been great because we've been priming the pump on some of these things for a while. Some of them have been straight up knife fights, like you can't do that. And we're going, hey, we're doing the right thing for soldiers. Like, you cannot tell us to keep buying these things just cuz we're gonna tell you, no, it's not the right thing. We're gonna try a whole bunch of other things. It's Ben Franklin, like, I know 10,000 ways that are wrong. I haven't found the right thing yet, but all of these things are wrong. You have to give us the freedom to do the right thing for soldiers. So that's really been, it's been a weird dichotomy of hey, the members are all like, go forth and do the right thing. The White House has said, go forth and do the right thing. The SEC def Has said, you will do the right thing. And our leadership has said, here's what the right thing looks like. And just, and then working through the people's representatives has been, has been a fun challenge.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm really glad you brought that up because I think most, most Americans would be shocked to know how much of the country is run by unelected legislative aides. It's terrifying.

[Donut Operator]

What do you mean by that?

[Brandon Herrera]

It means, so you have a member of Congress, okay, He goes forward, he does the votes, whatnot. But the actual bills being written, different committee stuff. All that's done by like 8 to 10 people in his office that are there to read through the bills, to write the bills, whatever. They have more power than you would ever think. That's why it was so important. I was warned, like, hey, if I, if I got the job, like, you need to pick these people carefully because they run your office. And that's not something I think most people know.

[Eli Double Tap]

And they know the system, they know how to do it. You know, this is very complicated bureaucracy. And, and you need people who know how to get things done within the bureaucracy to do it. And so, you know, you can't. I was reminded by journal General George actually, you just can't burn it all down. You have to make the bureaucracy work. You have to force it to work. I know, it was my plan too, but, yeah, so I'm going home at face value. At face value. People see what we're doing and they're like, of course, yeah, modern battlefield. Ukraine, Israel. We're seeing it all over the world. Of course. Modernize the army. Transform the army. Stop doing old dumb. So it's just a challenge and it's.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Been interesting to educate people. The army, the oldest service, 250 years.

[Eli Double Tap]

This year, birthday coming up.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

We have the smallest budget of any military department. So there's three military departments. Air Force, Navy, Army. We have the smallest budget. So we, we represent 21% of the defense budget. That's it.

[Brandon Herrera]

What would you attribute that to? There's more expensive projects like aircraft, big platforms.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, so that's right. Okay. So just to get technical on how we do things like the Navy and the Air Force buy platforms and then they man platforms, they buy boats and they put people on boats, ships. The army.

[Donut Operator]

No touch those.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, don't touch our boats. I'll stand up for the Navy. Don't touch our boats. You flip it. The army builds formations and then we equip formations. We buy stuff for our troopers. And therefore, the way that we argue for our budget is just we have the smallest one. We don't have huge capital assets like aircraft carrier, like a zoom wall, like a B21, like the F47. So the way that we do it is just differently. The second part of that is it's really hard to describe the scale of the army without sounding like there's too much army. So the. The Navy says, hey, we have 300 some odd hulls. Like, they count it in terms of ships. The air force says we have X number of tails. The army says we have a million people. That sounds like a lot. Well, that's the entire guard. That's the reserve. That's the active component. That's literally everyone. Well, so during GWAT, we started saying, well, we have 50 some brigades. That still sounds like a lot. Especially when it's, you know, 6,000 pissed off soldiers who just want to go do, you know, wreck things and do the things for the country.

[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

No, Eli. What's that?

[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

It's a tip for good service.

[Donut Operator]

I like tips. Just a tip.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Just.

[Brandon Herrera]

Just the tip.

[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Eli Double Tap]

That's money.

[Donut Operator]

That's cash app.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So the way that we fight for the budget is a little different. And the way that we describe it is a little different. And then we focus so much on stuff that we sometimes just get wed to the stuff. So we get wed to humvees, we get wed to the M4, which I love. Like M4 is great. And it's just, it's a different battle when we go to the Hill and say, hey, we want to really change.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. But to be clear, this change and we're not on unsubscribed for this reason. We're not asking for any more money.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

We've got a budget. And General George and sector have been like, we don't want more money, guys. We'll keep the money we have. We just want to be able to spend it more in an efficient and responsible way.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Which, which, and what they mean by that is.

[Donut Operator]

So you get restricted on how you can spend that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. So.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, so the armies. Let me tell you, we get restricted. Yeah. Budget lines.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Back in.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Wait.

[Donut Operator]

They give you the money and they're.

[Eli Double Tap]

Like, no, they give you the money. And then across, I think 1900 budget lines, it used to be six, we get told exactly how to spend every dollar.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So if you're a budget nerd, the army's budget this year was about $185 billion, which sounds like a lot because it is.

[Eli Double Tap]

It is a lot of Damn money. Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

55% of that immediately locked. It's mil pay, sift pay. So want to make sure we pay our soldiers, make sure we pay your civilians. Another 25% of that is immutable. It's congressional direction. You will spend this money in this direction. The rest of it is, what is our spending money? It's our discretionary fund. So that goes into like the programs, like shadow programs, like Humvee programs, like Nixon squad weapon.

[Eli Double Tap]

But that was planned five years ago.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But it was planned five years ago because we had to guess at what we wanted to spend in this year. And then so the budget line items, it's a technical term. So think about if you're at your.

[Eli Double Tap]

Home, I'm sure you planned all this five years ago.

[Donut Operator]

So far ahead. We were like three years ago. It's like we got the Pentagon in 2024.

[Eli Double Tap]

And if you need a new camera, obviously you'll just say, I'll buy one in five years.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. And, and You'll. But you'll. You'll plan to buy the thing that exists right now in five years.

[Eli Double Tap]

That camera.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, that one.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm budgeting that every good company is, you know, revered on its ability to maneuver five years at a time.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Eli Double Tap]

Flat and fast.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, but it's wild. It is. And again, 20 of the budgets is.

[Donut Operator]

Going to be like, mom, guess, dude.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But it's surprising how much the American people don't know. Like, they think that we waste a lot of money, and we do, but it's because, like, we don't have a.

[Eli Double Tap]

Lot of that part.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You hear the stories, like, the Air Force just got caught up in this weird thing about the soap dispensers on the C17s. Yeah. And they were just like, we were paying 1,700% markup on the soap dispensers. Well, that's because.

[Donut Operator]

Why.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So this is a real thing.

[Eli Double Tap]

Are they good?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No. The same ones that you find in, like, fucking Buc ee's bathroom. It's the same soap dispenser, but because of the way that we are told to spend our money, Someone had to plan that and all of the engineering overhead to design. Oh, I hope I can screw these two things into the C17. That gets added to the cost. So by the time that we have to buy it, this might be three bucks. If I go to the gas station, it's going to be $300. Because of all the overhead that we add. When we talk about, hey, I want to spend my money better, it's. I literally go, hey, I can buy that on the consumer market, it's probably okay to use it a couple times. I know that I'm taking risk. I just want to spend the same dollars that I can out of uniform that our soldiers can in uniform. And when you hear about the $700 hammer or the $500 toilet seat cover, like, all of these, like, terrible military procurement stories from the 50s, 60s, 70s. There's a reason. It's not a good reason, but it exists. And that's what we're trying to burn through and break down.

[Donut Operator]

That's where you get that bag of bolts.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's like those running soldier soldiers find. It's like Jurassic Park. Like, soldiers find a way because of all the dumb conditions that have been put put, like, on us. Instead of just going, that seems like common sense. Let's just fucking do fat.

[Brandon Herrera]

But even the justification where you're like, well, consumer market is, you know, we're taking a risk. It's probably you know, it'll probably be okay. It's like. Well, in some scenarios it's probably better. And even if it's not better, maybe it's just on par, still 2,000% more efficient.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. And it's available right now, not five years from now.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

There's kind of three categories, right. We just, we were emailing about this this morning. There's. You can buy it right now and it's, it's close enough. Good enough for, for military use. You can buy it and then modify it just a bit so that we can use it in a military way.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That's like the isv like Chevy Colorado adapted for military use.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yep. Or there's long lead time. Like, like our next generation tank. I haven't seen any, I don't know, I haven't been to all the places in Austin, but. Or in San Antonio.

[Brandon Herrera]

Not Austin, not, not Austin would recommend avoiding.

[Eli Double Tap]

But anyway, I haven't seen any tanks for sale. So we have to develop that out and that's going to take some time, you know, to develop the next generation tank. But drones, there's a lot of them around. We can use some right away or just modify them a bit to use them.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So anyway, same with like the laser weapons and microwave weapons which we definitely won't use on people. That's a Geneva Convention thing.

[Eli Double Tap]

Gen. Yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Microwave weapons.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's. It's a. Brandon.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, I don't know about this shit.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like. Yeah. You haven't like opened your microwave and just turn it on? No.

[Eli Double Tap]

Alex did the quick classification check. You said there were microwave weapons. And Alex went, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Those would be gangster.

[Brandon Herrera]

I mean they originally rolled them out for I think crowd control, right?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, so the. We didn't. That was definitely like a Homeland Security.

[Eli Double Tap]

Thing of microwaving people.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

There we go.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's like eyeballs explode.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, too high.

[Donut Operator]

Popcorn.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That one's a little done. No, these are for like counter drone. So think about.

[Donut Operator]

Counter drones.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Take two of your safes, like put one next to each other and like stand it up so that you can just blast it and fry the electronics if they're coming in. And like the scary thing for me, and I won't give away any ttps because that's terrifying is like you're in a base in Iraq or Afghan, not Afghanistan, Syria or anywhere else and there's a bunch coming. You just flip it on and all the electronics fry and they just fall out of the sky. Like that's, that's nirvana.

[Eli Double Tap]

HBM High Powered, high power microwave just takes a lot of power, you know.

[Colonel Butler]

Some private's gonna be cooking ramen noodles on that pig.

[Eli Double Tap]

I don't think I can.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's like. Well, it's like my dad used to tell me a story. He's like, hey, Private, crack your mask and be like, hey, Private, hold up the ramen. If it starts boiling, it's fine.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, that's right.

[Donut Operator]

I wouldn't trust anyone.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You walk in front of you, Private's.

[Donut Operator]

The most dangerous thing in the world.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's like, oh, why does it hurt? Oh, I guess it doesn't hurt anymore.

[Donut Operator]

When you. Did you go to basic then?

[Eli Double Tap]

Wow. How old is aging me? Yeah. 1997.

[Donut Operator]

I mean, that ain't bad. I was 12.

[Eli Double Tap]

Thank you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Two.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Congressman, maybe?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I think it was like one and a half.

[Eli Double Tap]

You're already an admiral.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Freaking colonel level diaper prestige.

[Eli Double Tap]

Wait. It's like. It's kind of like having your grandma on the podcast. How's that having me on the podcast? You were too, when I was. Anyway, you're old.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's a weird.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was gonna say that's a lot of.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That's a weird way to identify.

[Donut Operator]

Hold his arm down. His heart goes out to people.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was wondering where you were going with that. I'm like, ah.

[Donut Operator]

We're like, dude, you said this. This joke up.

[Eli Double Tap]

How old are you, Cody?

[Colonel Butler]

I'm 37.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's pretty good. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

When you were in the military, did you do infantry first or what was your first. Oh, dude, you had.

[Eli Double Tap]

How's an infantryman growing up? Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

How was basic?

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, I was an infantry officer, so, you know, coming out of college. Yeah. So we had a great time. Yeah. Actually, I just hung out with my buddy, so I went to, like, college camp with them. Advanced camp, then band camp.

[Brandon Herrera]

Band camp.

[Eli Double Tap]

Band camp, yes. Then. Then officer basic, then Ranger school, and then first duty station. I just hung out with him last weekend, drunk a bunch of beers together. But yeah, that's. We had some good times, man.

[Donut Operator]

Do ready to school is. Have. Have you guys heard any Ranger school stories from any of the guests yet?

[Colonel Butler]

Not from the guests, no.

[Donut Operator]

You get. Did you do Warner cycle or summer cycle?

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, I did some, yes. I dabbled in a couple different phases of Ranger school. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, you did a repeat cycle.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what I like to say. So I eventually went straight through.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is the PR skills coming up right now.

[Eli Double Tap]

Great. I didn't learn this in ranger school.

[Brandon Herrera]

But I got extra schooling. I'm more Trained.

[Eli Double Tap]

When I finally restarted, then I went straight through. So what's. Does that count? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Donut Operator]

So winter school. You had to. So you just did the one mre. Like, they probably have.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No.

[Donut Operator]

Do you guys have a baseline of ranger school?

[Brandon Herrera]

I read it from Matt's book, his stories from that, but that's about it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. I graduated in December, so it was. I was a winter Ranger. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Sleepy, you get no sleep. Tell people, like, explain, because I think you got a lot of people. You're eating, what, two MRE. Do you get the two MRUs or still one.

[Eli Double Tap]

So we got. We got two, because. Do you. This is. This goes back ways in 1995 or something like that. There were a couple guys that died in Florida phase.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, no, I didn't know about that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, they got hypothermia, basically. You know, you combine being totally physically beat down with lower temperatures and water, and then. Yeah, we lost a couple of guys. And so they.

[Donut Operator]

Swamp face.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, swamp face. Yeah, because you're wet all the time. So they changed it. Anyway, we got two MREs, I think, in. In. Yeah, in. In Florida, in the mountains. But the choice always was, do you sleep or eat? And I remember, you know, waking up after 40 minutes with my open MRE in my lap. I'm saying, damn. Really would have liked to eat instead of fell asleep, so.

[Donut Operator]

Because you guys are averaging on, like, two hours.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, it depended when we're out in the field. Yeah. Because it was. It's a cycle of, you know, field problems kind of learning stuff in the classroom, and it is actually school. It's not just a complete suck fest. And so, yeah, we were probably two hours of sleep sometimes. Well, oftentimes quite a bit less. And.

[Donut Operator]

60 days.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, 62 days or something. You lose a bunch of weight. You. You know, you're under not only physical stress, but mental stress. And it's a leadership school. So you consistently put into leadership roles where you're like, you know, all these people that are sucking as bad as you now you're in charge of them, and you have to go really far that way. And so you got to figure out a way to, you know, use the process and. And lead these. Lead these people to. To success. And, yeah, it was a good challenge, just like we do in the Pentagon. No, but you're trying to really.

[Donut Operator]

I love how positive you try. I've never heard someone's like, well, you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Know, I think it was this. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but if I recall correctly, I think it was swamp phase. Matt said that he had a flesh eating bacteria all over his back or something he had to hide because he didn't want to be recycled.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, yeah, you're up against that. You know, you got a little limp or you got, you got, you know, a couple problems and you don't want the medics to know about it because they're like, that could get worse. You're, you're out.

[Donut Operator]

Rocco did. He got knocked off during of raft and dislocated his arm and just faked his arm being in place for the remainder like week, I think. Yeah. And he just like held it there. Yeah. And he made it all the way through until afterwards. And they went to salute and he's like, oh God. And they're like, wait, soldier. What?

[Eli Double Tap]

I'd like to say that tab is worth it. That like long term damage to your shoulder. But I, you know why I speak about it positively because like, let's be honest, like, those are good times when you, you know, pushing yourself to the physical limit and you're sucking, you're out there with your, your buddies and public affairs. Yeah, no, I actually, you know, would.

[Donut Operator]

Not do that right now.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Even for a YouTube video you could send.

[Eli Double Tap]

Would you not?

[Donut Operator]

How many days would we do that for? Like for content right now in our positions in life? Three days.

[Brandon Herrera]

I do it as long as you guys did it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Nice.

[Colonel Butler]

Yeah, cool.

[Brandon Herrera]

Which I know caps out at about 40, 48 hours.

[Donut Operator]

Cody's like, I'm done.

[Eli Double Tap]

It sounds like you guys are throwing down a gauntlet right now. We can just had a great idea work with Ranger school. We get you guys in, do like a ranger school thing. Unsubscribe. Go to Ranger School.

[Brandon Herrera]

62 days.

[Colonel Butler]

62 days.

[Eli Double Tap]

You have to do your own freaking thing. Ah, that'd be so good, dude.

[Donut Operator]

Brandon gets an actual tab without being in the military. We drop out, Brandon makes it through. Just a hard ass.

[Eli Double Tap]

Here's an alternative. Army birthday.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

We have enlistment papers.

[Eli Double Tap]

Best squad competition. Oh, we should talk about these EIC guys. Best squad competition on army birthday. So the morning of July 14th.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

June 14th.

[Eli Double Tap]

Or excuse me, June 14th. Yeah, everybody's gonna show up on July. We've got a best squad competition and we're putting together teams from, you know, maybe it's. Can't tell you, it's crust.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

How many? Give me like coloring and.

[Eli Double Tap]

No, it's crossfitty. I mean it's climbing ropes. It's, it's, you know, some team. It's. It's Physical competition, obviously.

[Donut Operator]

Brandon, you ever wake up in your bed feeling like you just fought in a war?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, why do you ask?

[Donut Operator]

You ever wake up and feel like you slept in a sauna?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I believe that's called night sweats.

[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

Are we talking like Macho Man, Randy Savage?

[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Colonel Butler]

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[Donut Operator]

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[Colonel Butler]

Sleep better. Stay cooler.

[Brandon Herrera]

We got marksmanship.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, just not on the national on.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, it's on the National Mall. So it's.

[Brandon Herrera]

They get a little weird about that for some reason.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, it's 10 stations of that overhead ball throw.

[Eli Double Tap]

Not anymore. Not since January. No, just kidding, just kidding. So anyway, you're invited. Put together a team.

[Donut Operator]

How big does the team have to be?

[Eli Double Tap]

I think it's five.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Anyway, I think it's. I think it was an even number.

[Colonel Butler]

Let's bring unsubscribe and then Matt Frazier.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was just going to say bring Matt Frasier.

[Colonel Butler]

Let him get all the points.

[Donut Operator]

That's perfect.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Matt, you're coming.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, they're, they're team events. All right, Cody. Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

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[Dr. Alex Miller]

You're like, you can't kip anything.

[Colonel Butler]

Because Matt won how many CrossFit world champions in a row?

[Eli Double Tap]

Championships.

[Colonel Butler]

Five of them.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, and he gets so.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Dude, that guy human.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, you know, the X Men were a team and I don't think Professor Xavier was doing any wall climbs.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Well, you can't look at him be like, hey, walk it off, Charles.

[Eli Double Tap]

Beast.

[Donut Operator]

Help me up. There's three stairs.

[Brandon Herrera]

I don't think he was doing the 10k portion of that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Well, I mean, he's got the little chair. It just takes a while.

[Colonel Butler]

Like, could he move things with his mind or just read minds and make people do things?

[Eli Double Tap]

He could.

[Colonel Butler]

Why didn't he, like, move his little legs?

[Donut Operator]

That's where his power goes. He doesn't move good, though. Kind of drag.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

He sees. Sees a good looking woman. He's like. He's just.

[Brandon Herrera]

The tops of his feet are always bloody.

[Eli Double Tap]

Terrible.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Charles.

[Eli Double Tap]

Handicap jokes.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, it's mutant jokes.

[Donut Operator]

No wonder Magneto hates us.

[Brandon Herrera]

They're not a handicap. They're mutants.

[Eli Double Tap]

My childhood.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And the 90s, kid comes out.

[Brandon Herrera]

Do you guys regret coming on yet?

[Eli Double Tap]

Not yet.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Never.

[Eli Double Tap]

Let's keep going.

[Brandon Herrera]

All right.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Let's go deeper.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, yeah, we have the. The Army 250th coming up. We're all doing. We. We're still figuring out what we're doing there.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

We have a stage remains.

[Eli Double Tap]

Are you asking or telling?

[Donut Operator]

I'm asking and telling because I got told one thing and I'm just confirming.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yes. Stage.

[Donut Operator]

Okay.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

What would you like us to do on that stage?

[Eli Double Tap]

Just do. Just do what? Are we doing an episode. Do an episode out there. Live episode.

[Brandon Herrera]

We can do that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, I know.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

They had one in Plot Twist Ranger school.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, no.

[Donut Operator]

I could do a. An hour ranges. I'm fine with that. If we get tabbed after an hour, no one will judge us.

[Eli Double Tap]

You're. You're a battalion guy though, right?

[Donut Operator]

No. 2 ID.

[Eli Double Tap]

2 ID?

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Nice.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Korea.

[Donut Operator]

No, Fort Lewis.

[Eli Double Tap]

Brandon just left.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. Do you want a drink? You can get up. Yeah. You're in uniform.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yes. You asked me to wear this, by the way.

[Donut Operator]

I know. I was like. You were like, do I wear this or this? I was like the class B's. I. I thought they were the green. Still, I was very off on that one.

[Eli Double Tap]

This is. This is our pinks and greens.

[Donut Operator]

Throwback Pinks and greens?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Old World War II. They called them pinks and greens for whatever reason. I don't know. Alex probably knows what reason because he's the Chief Technology Officer, so I assume he knows. Yeah. And this is our throwback uniform. Yeah. Oh, four or five years ago. Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yep.

[Donut Operator]

So off of all of this anymore? No, we got with army, we're gonna do a. Whatever you guys had scheduled and then a live show, I think they were saying YouTube guy the youtubers talking about Hexath being on.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, yeah, great.

[Donut Operator]

And I was like, yeah. All the guys were like, yeah, that'd be a good episode. That'll do.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Decent.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, be okay.

[Donut Operator]

But then getting you guys to rotate up and then however else we treat the 2 50th, we're just gonna have a blast.

[Eli Double Tap]

Because it's gonna be blast.

[Donut Operator]

You guys are giving us a lot of free reign. So we can ask them to what they want to see.

[Eli Double Tap]

This is the way to do it. Free reign. We trust you guys.

[Brandon Herrera]

We'll see how long that lasts.

[Eli Double Tap]

Not Brandon, but everybody else. And no, I mean, so the army's turning 250 years old. That's doesn't happen every day. And it's pretty cool. We're going to have a massive parade downtown D.C. that's a whole. That's a whole thing going on right now in the media.

[Brandon Herrera]

What are they saying?

[Eli Double Tap]

There's, unfortunately, because we live in such politically polarized world right now, they're making it all about the President and we're really, really trying to make it all about the army because it's the Army's 250th birthday and. And the President will certainly be there. He's gonna celebrate with us. We're doing a big ass parade, I'm telling you, like a massive parade in downtown D.C. which the President will reside over. And it's gonna be super cool. Yeah, yeah. Excited about it.

[Donut Operator]

Whatever. What else can we do? Like for the 250th? I know anyone doing that one, I want to go.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Nice.

[Donut Operator]

There we go.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

No, the. The 250th with. It's what we'll go. We'll show up, we'll have our events and then people are coming out. Is the general public allowed to just come hang out?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah. So the first part of that day, June 14th, we'll start out with the best squad competition. General public allowed there. Watch. That's like 9am to 11, I think something like that. That's right there on the Mall in D.C. june 14. And then we'll go into like an army festival kind of thing. We'll have a bunch of old stuff that we're cutting out there.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

People are just allowed to hit it with hammers.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wait, what?

[Eli Double Tap]

No obsolete equipment.

[Donut Operator]

I think that is a fantastic idea.

[Eli Double Tap]

That'd be cool. We can shoot drones into them and see how they survive, which they won't.

[Brandon Herrera]

Same time. Depends on what you bring out. Just good luck denting a Sherman.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, that's true, actually.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That's, like, cool. Like, we're not getting rid of Shermans. We're actually gonna bring them back. So many.

[Eli Double Tap]

What's old is new. And so we'll have army festival that just like, if you can imagine, like a county fair or a fair down in. In the mall, you guys will be there and, you know, stuff for the public to do. And then that'll. That'll transition into the parade that evening. Think about 4pm a parade go down Constitution Avenue. The president at the end is going to enlist about 200 new recruits into the army.

[Donut Operator]

That's when Brandon signs up.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's when Brandon's gonna be there. Army, not Navy.

[Donut Operator]

Brandon, you're gonna hate your paychecks.

[Eli Double Tap]

He's resigning his appointment as an admiral and.

[Donut Operator]

Resigns his fucking.

[Colonel Butler]

We should trick Finn into joining the Army.

[Eli Double Tap]

Hey, I. I'm a prisoner of what I do. I was like, how old is that dude? Because we could use, you know, we could use editors and like. So Finn fan.

[Brandon Herrera]

Being an editor for the army would be a crazy plot twist.

[Eli Double Tap]

That'd be so good. We need good editors.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And then.

[Eli Double Tap]

And then say, awesome.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

And then fireworks and. And that's like the army birthday day. And then there's a bunch of stuff surrounding that.

[Donut Operator]

I want to have fun with it, though. That's where I want. Like, you can go get smoked by angry cops because he's gonna be there. You just have a line where he smokes like 15 individuals at the same time. Rotate through as you go.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, he'd have a blast with it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Overich has a good time interacting.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's still a drill sergeant.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

He popped up. Like, people are cropping him into other videos. He popped up on like a random Instagram thing I had yesterday. It was just like him superimposed and BDU's. And I was like, oh, God, where is. He's in everything now.

[Donut Operator]

How is it working with soldiers? Like, with that kind of following and you have to. Is there any dealing with it? Because that's a dude that has like millions of followers now and he's a drill sergeant. We know he gets kicked off of Rain or being a drill sergeant, he gets like instantly like.

[Eli Double Tap]

What do you mean?

[Donut Operator]

Like, he's been on what. One time he got showed up to duty, the other his into nco, IC or whatever. The commander of that unit knew who he was. And they're like, no, we're not gonna have like, the.

[Eli Double Tap]

Like, the recruits are gonna be like, that's the guy from from YouTube. As he's like.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

As he's them down.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, I know. Recently it was. It was kind of like a courtesy thing because it was through all the Buffalo school stuff.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, that would know that. So that's different. So that was a courtesy. It's like, hey, take a day off. But when he goes to his active duty status.

[Brandon Herrera]

I don't know if I've ever heard him talk about that.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. So he'll get, like, removed from it. One was for. He got in trouble or they tried to.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, that one I knew about.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. They're like, well, he's saying this stuff. He's like, what? I smoke. He treats everyone very equally. Doesn't care about, like, female. Male. It is.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

You're private and you're a soldier and you're an idiot at the end of the day, so I'm going to smoke you the exact same. And that got him in trouble. And that's where he was like, what the fuck is this dumb shit?

[Eli Double Tap]

You think it's related to what he does on YouTube or you think it's because we get people in trouble for doing dumb shit?

[Brandon Herrera]

I don't know. Because this one was. I think it was two females complained, if I'm not mistaken, that it was like, you know, sexist or whatever it was.

[Eli Double Tap]

It was something like, get your ass.

[Brandon Herrera]

On the ground or something. It's like, well, that was sexual. It's like, no, he was telling you, get your fucking ass on the ground.

[Eli Double Tap]

And that's not abnormal.

[Donut Operator]

But they know people. They know him as cops, too. So he gets still that pushback. Even as a police officer, he's talked about it. That would have been like, Cody being. Dude as big as you are as an active duty cop right now.

[Colonel Butler]

Yeah, I wouldn't do it. I left because I started getting followers.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Colonel Butler]

I don't want to be a cop anymore.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Colonel Butler]

Paid way more and people don't spit in my face. This is rad.

[Brandon Herrera]

I don't have.

[Colonel Butler]

Well, I mean, I gotta pay them.

[Brandon Herrera]

I didn't like that pronoun.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I thought you said you guys were friends.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, I mean, you guys didn't get the white shirt.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Did you guys actually pick different.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, we just. We showed up to brunch today and both went, God damn it.

[Donut Operator]

How do you both.

[Colonel Butler]

I don't know.

[Eli Double Tap]

We should have mixed it up a little bit.

[Donut Operator]

I didn't expect that.

[Eli Double Tap]

We did.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No one else wore white.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, like, none of us wore the same color. The brothers got dressed the same mom.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Dressed us this morning.

[Eli Double Tap]

So you asked, how's it working with the active duty guys? I don't think it's working great. So we have, I think, four or five of the big names kind of centrally working at Fort Cavazos. What is it for?

[Donut Operator]

I was very confused by that Mexican, which is there.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's here.

[Eli Double Tap]

I know it's in Texas, but, like, some city in Texas. Killeen.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, Killeen, Texas.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like two and a half hours.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's up, like, between here and Dallas.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. We're in the same state.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, no. I thought eight. I thought Hood was way further away.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think so.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Might be thinking about Bliss.

[Donut Operator]

That Bliss. Never mind.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, Bliss is like eight hours and it's not here.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's over near New Mexico.

[Eli Double Tap]

Okay, buddy, I'm retarded. So. So we have.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Okay, we accept you.

[Eli Double Tap]

We. I don't know why or how they're at Cavazos, but we have them there. I think they were there, and then we just brought them together. But they're not. They're not working for Public Affairs. They're like Public affairs adjacent. And so I don't know. All I know is, like, when we're doing good stuff, we just. We just changed the army fitness test. I'll go to them and say, hey, change Army Fitness Test. Here's the. Here's why we change it. Here's, you know, what. What we're saying about it. You guys want to do something? Please. It'd be great. It'd be helpful to us. And there were times when. And I don't know if we name names or whatever. Some of the guys came back to me and said, here, do you want to see it before it goes out? And I'm like, I don't want to see this shit. Because, you know, if you start worrying.

[Brandon Herrera]

About me reviewing it, you know, now it's on me.

[Eli Double Tap]

No, no, I don't care. I'll take all the risk. I'll take the risk saying, I'll take the risk saying, I purposely did not review it. It. But I always say this, like, when people making videos and stuff, you know, you have a Van Gogh, you have a painting that you're very proud of, and then 16 levels of supervisors start putting the post IT notes on the painting. They're like, well, can you add this? And, you know, maybe you could make that shade a little bit darker, because we're all super experts.

[Brandon Herrera]

Then you end up with new Star Wars.

[Eli Double Tap]

And then you end up, yeah, yeah, there's a Star wars thing over there.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Bring Back Jar Jar. I regret that immediately.

[Eli Double Tap]

I'm like, these guys are the experts obviously like based on their success and what they, you know, what they're, they've shown to be able to do. And I trust that they have the army's best interest in mind. And so please just go, do, don't, don't ask me to fuck with your thing because it's not going to be better, it's probably going to be worse. So anyway, we need to give them the freedom to, to do the stuff. We need to empower them and we would really, really like to keep them in the army, but there's a lot of money out there and it's, you know, the army still requires a bunch of stuff from you. It's still like a dumb bureaucracy oftentimes. And so we gotta, we gotta try to sort that out a bit, little bit better.

[Brandon Herrera]

We're not really different than any large organizations, whether it's corporate government. Yeah, you get an entity to a certain size, you're gonna have bureaucracy that just sucks.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Which, which is weird because in World War II, like we had, we, the threat was existential. So we brought in people who we didn't think were normal for the army, like Oppenheimer, like to do the Manhattan Project. We brought in engineers to do something wild. So having people with unique skills that aren't resonant sort of at large, it's not new. We're just treating it, People get concerned and they get sort of weirded out. Social media, that's a skill. And you guys know we talked about a little bit. But this morning like what you do is unique and difficult and it's not, it doesn't scale very well. So bringing those people then same with like technical expertise, same with engineers. So it's, it's not something we haven't done before. Just people are uncomfortable because it's different. And one of the things that Dave's really good at and I would say even if it wasn't here, is just sort of going, eh, no, that's, we're going to do it anyway.

[Eli Double Tap]

Let's talk about the tech guys real quick about naming names. Okay, so, so we throw somebody under.

[Donut Operator]

The bus real quick. No, I want to like, can we name names?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, like, I want to like applaud these guys because they're amazing.

[Eli Double Tap]

I warn them first before we name names. So anyway, on the army birthday we're gonna commission four high level tech executives from, from companies that, that you'll, you know, very familiar companies. And these guys came to us and they said, hey, we see what's going on in the change and everything. We want to be a part of it more than we are. And we want to prove that we're part of it by wearing the cloth in the nation. And so they're not doing it for the pay fellas.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So, no, they're all.

[Eli Double Tap]

We're going to commission them as reservists on. On June 13th. And wait, they're actually.

[Donut Operator]

So they're in the civilian side already doing very, very well.

[Eli Double Tap]

They're.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yes.

[Eli Double Tap]

Tech executives, like.

[Donut Operator]

And they're joining the reserves.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

Dude.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And.

[Donut Operator]

And Brandon's one of them.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That's why he's going to ranger school on the 14th.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'll see y' all in 62 days.

[Donut Operator]

We're gonna get shipped out by. He's like, ooh.

[Eli Double Tap]

No, but.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But it's super.

[Brandon Herrera]

What do you mean? Activation.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's like war were declared.

[Eli Double Tap]

Get the manscaper. Oh, man.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You'Re going Manscaper.

[Eli Double Tap]

Is that one of your sponsors?

[Donut Operator]

It is, hopefully, if it's right here. Brought to you by Butler.

[Eli Double Tap]

Not endorsing any.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, I just get you fired.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You're going to Clandathu.

[Eli Double Tap]

I saw one sitting over there, so.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was like, oh, the US Military does not endorse any brand of ball shaver.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

We accept all the ball shaver. No. So. So we're going to commission. We're going to direct commission, which is a. An authority that Congress gave us several years ago as cyber officers because they're all tech executives and we didn't have. They're not going to be cyber people. Like, they're not going to be doing like, offensive or anything. But that's the right place for them.

[Donut Operator]

As one week in a month still.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So. So this is the weird thing. So they have to do. It's actually not one weekend a month. It's. It's a number of hours a year.

[Eli Double Tap]

Hours a year. Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And what we're going to do is frankly. And all of us do the same thing if we give you a hard problem. Because what we're going to allow them to do is go to a unit, go, hey, what is the hardest thing that you have? Let me help you through. Think it through. And everybody, all the ethics lawyers were like, oh, they're going to help their companies. No, they're all billionaires. They're literally billionaires already. Their companies don't need the army's money. So, no, they're not going to have insider trading issues. They just want to be here and be like, hey, how can we help you solve your problem? So 200 hours a year. And frankly what we're going to do is we're going to count it. They go and spend a day with one of our units and they go home and they're like, hey, I'm going to think about this and like help you out. That counts. I mean we'll get thousands and Thousands.

[Eli Double Tap]

Of hours, 30 seconds, a lot of.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That because they already in bed with us. They're. So we're gonna commission them as lieutenant colonels. We got the S.E.C. def approved it. Congress is tracking.

[Donut Operator]

Damn. They're starting as lieutenant colonels.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, they're of that, they're of that age.

[Donut Operator]

So five weeks a year is essentially what you're asking from.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Basically. Basically. And just, just, dude, can we be lieutenant colonels?

[Brandon Herrera]

Jesus, Eli. Eli's just like twisting that screwdriver, figuring.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Out morally or ethically for all of.

[Donut Operator]

Us, we all become lieutenant colonels.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is funny though that you mentioned that because you're like, these are already tech billionaires. Whatever. Like, because people have the concern like they're going to pad their own pockets. I don't think those people have ever met anybody who's reached the 100 million dollar line.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because like maybe you take out like some bankers and real estate people, whatever. Like those, those types out of the equation. But like the people who made it by building a product just because they're smart guys and they just want to solve problems, they're built different.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

They are.

[Eli Double Tap]

Right? That's right.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And I had an opportunity to. So I know all of them personally, which is a. I'm very thankful that I get to like know these people and work with them and help solve problems. I spent hours with them in a van going out. We took them to ntc, like the greatest place on earth. Fort Irwin, California.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And it was just one of the greatest times. We spent three hours going one way, three hours going the other way, just going like, hey, how do we think about this problem? How could you solve it? They just care about America enough to go, I'll do this. Yeah. So it's, it's very cool.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's a nice Little teaser for June 13th.

[Brandon Herrera]

But. So what's up for the, what's on the horizon for you guys after the 250? Just back to work.

[Eli Double Tap]

Back to work. Yeah, we've got a, we've got a, what I call in the infantry, consolidate our gains and consolidate, reorganize. So once, once we go through kind of the budget cycle and cut all this stuff and we're reinvesting it. And then so we've got to move the army to, to reorganize based on that and to change our training and our doctrine based on all the new stuff.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. So. So through the rest of the summer, the thing we keep mentioning and nope, we actually, actually haven't talked about it is the SecDef signed out a memo called Army Transformation Initiative and told us to do things like consolidate two of our four star headquarters, consolidate some of our forces, command with some of our army north and Army South. So the rest of the summer is working through. How do you do that mechanically? Like where do you put those people?

[Donut Operator]

What is dedication? The thing that drives me every day as a dad is Dariana. We call him Day Date for short. Every day he's hungry for something, whether it's attention, affection, knowledge, and there's this huge responsibility and making sure that when he's no longer under my wing that he's a good person. I want him to be able to sit back one day and go, we work together. We did a good job. That's dedication. Find out [e-mail] brought to you by.

[Brandon Herrera]

The U.S. department of Health and Human Services and the Ad Council.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Do we keep those people? Because some like the other thing the President and the White House and the Sec Def are saying is slim yourself down. Like the headquarters have gotten too bulky, there's a lot of fat to be trimmed. Thinking through how do we do that and then frankly, and this is like the unromantic, unsexy thing from the Pentagon perspective, how do we set some of these things in motion and just let the army function and make sure that this stuff's there for them, for them being soldiers and units.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, it's kind of a big deal. We're cutting a bunch. We're cutting a four star headquarters, actually. Yeah, one main four star headquarters. We're consolidating a bunch of commands, cutting 40 plus. 40 plus general officer positions. So General George has really been doing this since he got to be the chief. But the Secretary of Defense gave us the directive and the kind of permission to do it. And so we're leaning out all the top heavy stuff in the army and getting the, getting the numbers back into the force. So you have non commissioned officers and you have soldiers into formations and not surrounding four star generals somewhere.

[Brandon Herrera]

I bet you could probably help with some of the budgetary issues and whatnot. If you guys just did an auction on the, the Millie portrait.

[Eli Double Tap]

Ooh, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I would Be very curious to see what that would sell for. And I know it's sitting in an office somewhere. So.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

You want to talk about a tank?

[Donut Operator]

No.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, no, they.

[Brandon Herrera]

I had to, I had to.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Sorry, it's like you. No, but like the other, the other.

[Eli Double Tap]

Expecting that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, but in there's, there's a lot of other cool stuff going on. So like the headquarters stuff, that's all like bureaucracy stuff. If you want to know the cool stuff the army's doing, like, we're going to do live fires on the new tank. Like I'm gonna go up to Detroit in July and see live fires. And like, how do we do that? We'll drive it in December. We'll do new rocket tests in July. We'll do fly our new drones all through the summer. Like the Army.

[Donut Operator]

Can we be part of any of that?

[Eli Double Tap]

Is it easy?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, we'll figure it out.

[Brandon Herrera]

Not open to the public, but you know what I mean?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like, yeah, like it's not classified. And, and I love being able to tell taxpayers, here's how we're spending your money. Here's how we're spending our money. We're doing the right thing.

[Donut Operator]

So yeah, like, it'll be on our dime. We'll fly out there. If you give us.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, I'm talking about like with like, with like the tank stuff.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah, we'll still fly out.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Hell yeah.

[Donut Operator]

But if you let us shoot that, that'd be awesome.

[Colonel Butler]

No, I hate you.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like, I hate the usa where it's like, oh, we went to Sudan and spent $2 billion on male circumcision. God, man, I really just fucking hate the irs. I see a tank blow up some shit from a mile away, I'm like, I could pay a little bit of taxes.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

We'll think about this.

[Eli Double Tap]

So new tank is kick ass.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It is. And like I don't even know what.

[Donut Operator]

The new one is.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So it's. It's called the M1E3E3. So the Abrams. The Abrams is an amazing tank. Yeah, it is the. You might not make battle tank in the world. You definitely can. The M1A2 sup V3 like the, the Abrams, when I saw it was best main battle tank in the world.

[Eli Double Tap]

It was like hidden in a tent.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, I know.

[Donut Operator]

Is that it?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Wait, no, no, that's a webpage. Yes, that's like the mock up. So like one of the things that's about that is it has an autoloader. So how do you take like the same way that your, your rifle like you pull the trigger once and it cycles. Like right now inside of an Abrams. Pull it and a dude literally opens her pants. What if we just automated that so we'll start doing that.

[Eli Double Tap]

The.

[Brandon Herrera]

To my understanding, the Soviets were, were super big in the auto loaders, right?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. Russians got really good at it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. But that was one of the weaknesses of their tanks, is that the auto loaders, basically you hit anything into the turret and all those rounds go off and it'll fail.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Holy. The camera's on that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

So I'm assuming that's a solved problem in this.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. So that's what we're going through testing on. So that like, if you, if you take a round, like the main battle tank should be able to tank around. Right. And, and not self destruct, so.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, well, the Soviets weren't very good at that part.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, true.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Lol.

[Eli Double Tap]

But the other thing in their budget.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Area, the reason they have so many cameras is what if that tank was also like, I don't know, optionally manned? What if it was a robot itself? And what if we had, I don't know, like F1 seats in there that were comfortable to drive and you could like have software driving it for you and help you so that you don't have four dudes in a big metal box that have to crawl at the back of something catastrophic happens.

[Donut Operator]

That's why I was like. So a lot of the. You were even saying with breaching, it's like, hey, we can just have something, an object, remote object breach and then you don't have to worry about a soldier getting.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

Fucked up.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Which we've done by the way. The remote breaching.

[Donut Operator]

No shit.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So have you heard of the Miklic mine? Mine clearing, shoots that big charge. Yeah, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

And then blows up.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's like a big thing of deck cord, essentially.

[Eli Double Tap]

Exactly, exactly.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So right now, soldiers drive that up there, you drive it up to the lot, to the minefield.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And you have to clear the mine.

[Eli Double Tap]

And everybody knows where you're going and everybody's shooting at you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So what if you just had a robot do that? Or even better, what if you had a robot drive up and like a bunch of small drones come off of it, go find the mines, because they can have a camera and you just go boop. And blow up the mines. So you actually have something like what if we just didn't put soldiers in really shitty situations all the time.

[Eli Double Tap]

Cuz we have robots.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

To think.

[Donut Operator]

I want meat shields. That's where I was.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, the Russian army has some new openings.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

They have five rounds and one rifle. And you just figure it out.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's funny, though. It's an important point though, because it's funny. At the end of the day, right, as savage as we are, human beings are. You're not. Wars are won by putting soldiers in the mud, taking and holding terrain. So we still need it. All this drones and robots and stuff, and all this stuff that this guy's like, developing in his evil bedroom at night or the.

[Donut Operator]

When you say evil, it's very dark.

[Eli Double Tap]

And scary and better might. I said better.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

That's my thinking space.

[Eli Double Tap]

Anyway, it's not. It's not going to replace. I have a lot of soldiers on the ground. And so. So our stuff is built around getting soldiers into position to take and hold.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ground, but not making him do the.

[Eli Double Tap]

Shitty jobs by not.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, well, the dangerous ones. So, like, what are you doing?

[Donut Operator]

Way too.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

What are robots good at? Dull, dirty, dangerous. That's what robots are good for. And all the things that, like soldiers will always do dangerous things. Like we expect them on behalf of the country to do, like, terrible things on our behalf.

[Donut Operator]

And driving.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Finding every porta potty possible. No, but like.

[Donut Operator]

Like, Kuwait does.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Kuwait's a terrible place. But what, what, like, what if some of the things that we know, we know that we can, like, stop that? Like, what if into the breach, like into the first dude in the door. What if that was a robot every time instead of just one of our guys?

[Donut Operator]

That'd be cool, right?

[Eli Double Tap]

So.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So second guy in isn't. Isn't, like, soaking up all the fire because the robot's gone. And if the robot blows up and dies, okay, like Wally. Like, we'll build Wally 2.0.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, well, I mean, according to my Marine Corps friends, the first guy in is usually an M67 frag grenade.

[Eli Double Tap]

There is that.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

But what if the robot threw googly eyes? Five of them.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, with googly eyes.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Hey, Assalama.

[Brandon Herrera]

What is it, Craighead?

[Donut Operator]

But she's sweating.

[Eli Double Tap]

So. But what's replaced Cultural. So we are sending now a drone in. You know, like the. The high end special operations units. Baghdadi. Others were killed. The drones are going in first.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, dude is.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yep. Dogs with cameras.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. Actually, one of my buddies was on that raid. Like, no, yeah, cool story. Like, but yeah, they were on that. And the dog. Because the way they actually pivot. They said the dog died and dog was fine.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, fine. Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

And the robot dog.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, the dog.

[Donut Operator]

Dog, Dog, dogs. Oh, they sent in real dogs.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, Cameras Drones. Explosive drones.

[Donut Operator]

Yep.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Sending all that regiment doing some of their FPV stuff where that's their shoot house. And they literally flew the drone in and then cleared it.

[Donut Operator]

No.

[Eli Double Tap]

Whoa.

[Donut Operator]

That's fucking dope.

[Eli Double Tap]

Cool.

[Donut Operator]

So it's just an. Just a little drone that goes in first.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And think about it. You put a nine banger on and like, you don't care about the drone coming back, but you fly a nine banger in and you clear it and the first dude in. Like everybody's. Before the first guy breaches. Like, we could do that every time.

[Donut Operator]

That's.

[Eli Double Tap]

Wow.

[Donut Operator]

Yeah. Baghdad. He clocked himself off before.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. Cause he was a pussy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Donut Operator]

So you got like dollars and everything from it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And then. And then that's the one I showed you about earlier. Like, that's the ISV with the like all the gun mounts on it.

[Donut Operator]

Show him that. That's hips wheelhouse.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, that absolutely is just Warthog esque.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Hey, right. Like, I'm like, where's the gauss cannon?

[Eli Double Tap]

But you know, the rangers have to have to like gun it up. And I'm like, it's not for fighting from guys.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, it's. It's a true transportation gets you there so you don't have to walk in.

[Eli Double Tap]

Lots of guns on it.

[Brandon Herrera]

So is every acquisition process as as much of a show as the NGSW program?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yes. That's not fair. So. So it's super easy to. On acquisition. Acquisition people. There's a lot of really good ones.

[Eli Double Tap]

Like our acquisition excuse to be an acquisitions guy.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

No, I'm qualified as an acquisition.

[Eli Double Tap]

He's got the acquisitions tab.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, it's like PowerPoint Ranger. No, so like our acquisition military deputy. He's a three star. He's phenomenal. I've worked with him for a decade. Like, he is a change maker.

[Donut Operator]

Our.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Our current principal deputy for acquisition. You just came from. From. From Congress. He's a change maker.

[Brandon Herrera]

And not to. On the guys, but the, the.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

The process. Process itself.

[Eli Double Tap]

Okay, so we're changing.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

We are changing. So during gwad. Well, yeah, so. So during gwat, we had like a way better way to do this if you were like, hey, I need something. We were like, yeah, why wouldn't we buy that? And. And we just bought things. Like, we bought the right things.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, right.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. So if it was legal, moral and ethical, then it's legal, moral and ethical now. So what we're doing now is instead of like, we do this stupid thing where we have a requirements document and somebody who's making up Words, and they sound really cool. And the document's like, this thick, and nobody ever actually reads it. And. And I mean that. Nobody probably just got really offended. I don't care. Like, nobody actually reads those things. So what if we just said, it should work, it should probably do, like, these things. It should work, it should work. It should probably do these.

[Eli Double Tap]

So you're describing, like, outcomes, and it's.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like, instead of three pages. So for. So for our command and control stuff, anybody here has seen Tac or Itak or Atak, where it's literally like an Android app on a phone.

[Eli Double Tap]

You've got the phone.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And so. So as we. As we redo all of our command and control things, like we just said, hey, what if commanders could see to their unit from a tablet? What if we could just see everything from a tablet? Like, build the architecture that does that? Because I can see everything on Google Maps. I can put. I can put tabs down. Like, we know the technology exists. Like. Like, the unit did this.

[Donut Operator]

It's simple. People can already use it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, exactly. The UI is already. Like, if you've used an iPhone, you know how to drop pins. Like, everybody already intuitively, it's the reason why the baseball grenade.

[Donut Operator]

Like, exactly.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So if we told. If we told industry. Well, like, 97% of kids coming into the army have never thrown a baseball.

[Brandon Herrera]

It worked in World War II.

[Eli Double Tap]

It did.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Wait, what?

[Donut Operator]

Wait, pause.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

So let's go back to acronym dot com. Okay, so what if we just told industry, like, the best of industry, like the companies that we have working on the first tranche. And I can say this, nobody should get offended. Like, the Palantirs, the Andurils, the Microsoft, the Googles, the Cabinis, the Sierra Nevada. Like, what if we just said, hey, it should sort of work on a tablet, Figure out the rest of it so it doesn't suck, and we just let them sort of work together. Like, literally sit at a table and go, like, here's what it should look like. Here's how we should work together. It should be as easy as we give it to you. It's on an iPhone. You figure out if something doesn't work, you tell us and we'll fix it. What if we just did that instead of this whole bullshit process that takes seven years and you are, like, out of the service by the time we give it to you.

[Donut Operator]

It's almost like how the hellfire or the drones, where it's like, hey, just give them to a. Give them an Xbox controller. And then these kids Know how to do it Exactly.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like, there's a reason that companies design the way they do for our everyday lives. What if we just did that? So we did. So we. We put some of these guys on contract. We said, get around the table. Figure it out. Four months later, they came up with the first prototype. We took it to ntc, we gave it to an armor formation. So we gave it to a bunch of tankers, we gave it to a striker unit. And we said, does it work? And they went, this is way better than anything. Because they could see themselves, they could see the enemy, they could task each other, they could talk to each other. And it was super simple. So we told him, hey, like, don't watch pred porn all the time. Like, that chews up all your bandwidth. And we know we all like watching the strikes, but, like. Like, don't do that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And they went, okay. Did they have the option to.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, like, you might be a hard one not to.

[Eli Double Tap]

Like, the bad habits of gwot. You're always pulling. You're always pulling in. Like you could access. So you watched it full motion video.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

She's like, oh, they're going buzzer on. They're going buzzer on. So we said, like, hey, what if we were just.

[Eli Double Tap]

Somebody's hiding all the bandwidth.

[Brandon Herrera]

What happened to my frame rate?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

What are those three guys doing over there?

[Eli Double Tap]

Is there a goat? So.

[Brandon Herrera]

Jurassic park, what's gonna happen to the goat?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Life finds a way. And then what if we said, hey, there's Starlink antennas and Starshield antennas. We give you bandwidth. So we let them iterate on that for a year. And that is going to replace all of our command and control systems. So all of the. The, like, the fire systems, which we've had those for 30 years. It's really good at what it does. What if it was just like, there's a target I don't want to strike at. What are my options? Or what if AI was like, hey, there's a target. You can strike it. Here are your options. Here's the best one.

[Eli Double Tap]

The AI saying, anyway, here's the best way to fire it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah. And so you don't go like Winchester on everything.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. But just to describe what the old fire system was, it's standalone boxes, standalone computer boxes with its own satellite trailer with. You know, it's. Every single thing we have is a standalone system that requires men maintenance, the whole thing. And now it's what if.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

What if every app on your iPhone. I had to give you a new iPhone. Like, that's the thing. Yeah. You had to have carry, like, 17 different iPhones just to function in life.

[Donut Operator]

I love the AI process of it because then it is no different than chess AI. It's like, hey, here's the greatest move that you can do. Here's the second best. Here's the third best. She's doing that for you. But there still needs to be that human touch to it to be like, hey, okay, let's do this one.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And it's not magic, right? So we have had some of the best technologists in the world, because when we first tried this. So that process is called weaponeering. It's like, how do you match the thing that you want to kill with the thing that can kill it? The easiest answer for AI up front was like, everything gets a tomahawk. Like, tomahawk. Like, you'll definitely like, one tomahawk, one tank Tomahawk.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, once you develop the meta, it's.

[Donut Operator]

Like, and then if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, then we were like, 100% result results.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

What if we didn't have infinite Tomahawks? Like, what if the game Shark wasn't on?

[Brandon Herrera]

I pictured that meme video of, like, the nose of the aircraft going.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

And they're like, oh, no more tomahawks. Sm3. It's like, what if we didn't have that? So it's like, how do we train these things so that they actually do the things that are useful? So if the. So you actually have what's useful in a fight, because not everything's going to get, like, tomahawks and everything is going to get a B2 strike. So it's. It's training.

[Eli Double Tap]

And then some of the stuff should.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Lots of things like, we're just going to glass it. Speaking of, that's.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's one of my.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

My favorite.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's one of my personal favorite upgrades in this administration is the fact that the. The President of the United States will post on social media just through the official White House account. Flat out, just thermal war porn, bro.

[Donut Operator]

That was the most, like, wild thing to see.

[Brandon Herrera]

It happened again.

[Donut Operator]

I don't even see that dude.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah, he basically just like, oh, these are 10 Somalis that were a problem and now they're not.

[Donut Operator]

We send that the group task because it's like, yo. And then you check where it comes from and you're like, that's a soul.

[Eli Double Tap]

Now. Soldiers don't need to pull that in from the internal network. They could just go to Twitter.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Or choose social and go find it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, that's a valid target.

[Eli Double Tap]

But. But, like.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

How do we recover from this?

[Eli Double Tap]

The AI stuff, though, is just. There's one more level on the targeting because, like, what we're seeing, there's a little bumper sticking out of. Out of a thing. And so human eye drone footage, you might not pick that up, but AI is like, no, yeah, that bumper's. So what if we did an enemy bumper?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Like, two of the exact same thing? They could be Hilux's, they could be BTRs, they could be whatever. But what if, like, what if I was just like, now my AI can go, hey, that's the one you were tracking. Like, that specific dent in that specific place. That's the one that we were looking at before. This is the same target. We can track it all the way through.

[Donut Operator]

Dude, people, we. We talked about the other day with the chess AI and how it can develop. Someone got caught cheating in an AI tournament at a low level, and they're like, oh, they didn't cheat. And then.

[Brandon Herrera]

Was it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Who was it Lupo?

[Brandon Herrera]

It was Lupo.

[Donut Operator]

And it was like.

[Eli Double Tap]

Which means wolf in Italian.

[Donut Operator]

Does it?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. I just retired a guy named Pete Lupo.

[Donut Operator]

Oh, I did not even know that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Just so you know.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yep, now you do.

[Donut Operator]

But cheating on a. Like, chess is the easiest thing to catch. And when a dude is. The AI will give you every strongest move. And then if somebody else does a dumb move, then it's like, oh, well, here's the next best move for. That's calculating everything, as you said, at this level of a degree. So that's where human error is not going to catch that. But AI 100% is going to catch.

[Eli Double Tap]

That and faster and.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yeah, and it's a. It's a scale thing. Right. So everybody. AI is like a buzzword. Everybody loves it, and we use it all the time. Like, I don't. I used to know how the algorithms for WAZE work, and I just stopped caring because it works enough for me. But that's. That's a version of AI. It is. But yeah, it's like, Skynet's on the way, and I'm like, I, for one, welcome our glorious robot overlords. Don't kill me first.

[Brandon Herrera]

I definitely also welcome the American version more than the Chinese one.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, totally.

[Brandon Herrera]

And if we don't, people act like if we don't do it, then nobody else will.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

They're absolutely not. Like, the social credit score is a real thing. Like, that is all facial recognition tied to, like, your personality.

[Donut Operator]

I'm safe. My eyes.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

I am not.

[Eli Double Tap]

Wait, how do you get your swear up? I'm just asking. Just wonder.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Anyway, literally, social media.

[Donut Operator]

Social media is how you get your credit score. Social media media score. What is it?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Social. Social credit score.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, we'd be good.

[Donut Operator]

I think.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

It's not that kind of social. No, it's not based on things like.

[Colonel Butler]

How good of a citizen you are.

[Eli Double Tap]

No, we were all. We.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

We're definitely all going to the gulag. I'm going to find the best rock.

[Brandon Herrera]

If you've ever. If you've ever compared glorious leader to Winnie the Pooh, you're fucked.

[Donut Operator]

Glorious.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Okay, well, AI conversation is done.

[Donut Operator]

I actually think you guys have to start getting ready. Yeah. On this one. So actually get this wrapped up. All right, we'll have. First off, where do we find. Well, Army. Army.

[Eli Double Tap]

Or where do we find goarmy.com?

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Yep, that's the easiest.

[Eli Double Tap]

Army spokesman. I'm like, what's our website?

[Donut Operator]

Army spokesman, go.

[Eli Double Tap]

Goarmy.com.

[Donut Operator]

Goarmy.Com.

[Brandon Herrera]

Anything else you guys want to say while we. We still have you here?

[Eli Double Tap]

Thanks for having us on. Honestly, what you guys do is unique and it's certainly important. You, like, it's just a group of dudes that sit around table and BS like any of us could, but then you stumble on some really important things. And so like you did buffalo and. And things like having us on. We really, really appreciate that. And I mean it from the bottom of my heart and from the secretary in chief, thanks. Appreciate you guys a lot.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Thank you.

[Colonel Butler]

Thank you.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Appreciate it. Can I be like a zealot for the army for a second?

[Eli Double Tap]

Go for it.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

The. I want to reiterate, like, we have a badass army. Like, we do everything everywhere, every day on every continent. Like, people don't understand. The global response force for the world is 18th Airborne Corps. The immediate response force for the world is 82nd Airborne Division. The Homeland Defense Brigade under 10th Mountain is under 4th ID is 2nd Brigade. We are the Corps of Engineers. National Guard does all of the humanitarian assistance. Like, your army is responsible for literally everything every day, every mission around the world. And that's like, that is why. It's certainly why I get up every day and go to work. I know it's same for Dave. I know it's the same for General George. I. I know it's the same for Secretary Driscoll. But as we think through what the future of the army is, we are literally thinking every mission, every day, every hour, every continent. And thank you guys for letting us have a platform and sharing it with you.

[Donut Operator]

We appreciate it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Thanks for making the trip, guys.

[Colonel Butler]

Glad you guys are here.

[Donut Operator]

Cody, do your job.

[Colonel Butler]

Bye, everyone. Thank you for coming to the Unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by ELI Double Tap, Dr. Alex Miller, Colonel Butler, Brandon Rare, myself, donut operator. Thank you so much for coming out.

[Eli Double Tap]

We love you.

[Dr. Alex Miller]

Thank you, guys. Thanks.

[Brandon Herrera]

See y' all at 250.