Crazy WW1 & WW2 Stories, White Racism & Japan Loves BBQ | Unsubscribe Podcast 258

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Unsubscribe Podcast #258 Summary

Episode Title: Crazy WW1 & WW2 Stories, White Racism & Japan Loves BBQ
Air Date: April 6, 2026
Hosts: Eli Doubletap, Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator (Cody), The Fat Electrician
Guest: Jack Mandeville

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Unsubscribe Podcast offers a wild ride through military history, internet culture, racial jokes, Japanese Twitter, collectible crimes, and Hollywood filmmaking. The hosts, along with guest Jack Mandeville, deliver their signature blend of irreverent humor, genuine fascination, and unexpected knowledge drops. From the horror of WWII’s crocodile massacres to the wholesome discovery that Japanese Twitter loves Texas BBQ, the banter never slows, and the stories get progressively weirder and more entertaining.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up and Good Guy Gary Sinise

• Charity & Autism Merch Drive: Brandon announces April’s autism merch campaign, which raised $235k last year and aims to top that. “You all are changing more lives than I think you know… I will always promise to be the best version of myself for y’all.” [01:10]
• Meeting Gary Sinise: The group shares stories about Gary Sinise’s kindness and immense charity work. Even after Forrest Gump, he “kept going with the Lieutenant Dan Band and the Gary Sinise Foundation.” [03:24]
• Gary's office is described as covered in challenge coins. Sinise has raised $650 million for charity. [03:44]

2. Challenge Coins: Culture and Anecdotes

• History: Challenge coins “experienced a significant surge in popularity within the US Military during the Korean and Vietnam wars and became widespread across branches in the 80s and 90s.” [05:43]
• Personal Stories: Jack keeps two special coins from Medal of Honor recipients, segregated for safekeeping in case of fire. [06:20]
• Coin Making: Jack describes making challenge coins by hand with Clint Romesha: “For three days, I pounded challenge coins.” [07:19]
• Fortune Cookies as Motivation: Jack keeps fortunes in his wallet “as a pick me up… gaining weight because of an affirmation kink.” [08:26]

3. AI, Authenticity & Internet Culture

• AI Cold War: They compare the AI arms race to the Space Race, noting we’re “giving them more resources and ammunition.” [11:59]
• Authenticity & Comedy: Jack says he feels safe from AI because “human beings will always want to seek out authenticity. ChatGPT was never sitting in class in 6th grade and had all the 6th grade girls laugh at him because someone told him he had the biggest tits in the grade… ChatGPT can’t replicate that kind of trauma.” [09:46]
• Short-form Content: Discussion of YouTube's transition to shorts, play button inflation, and astronomical subscriber counts, especially MrBeast at 474 million. [16:01]

4. StopBox Ad Read/Bit (Gun Storage)

• Humorous demonstration and promotion of a gun lock box: “No cats getting inside that or people without thumbs.” [17:29]
• “I know you’re not normally a one-hole kind of guy…” [17:56]

5. Wild History Stories: Civil War, Arlington, and Lincoln Family

• Arlington National Cemetery: Jack tells the story of how Arlington was seized from Robert E. Lee’s family, used for burying Union dead, and eventually, through a Supreme Court case aided by Abraham Lincoln’s son, sold back to the government. [19:51–24:34]

  • “That was Robert E. Lee’s property. So they just started burying dead soldiers on his property...” [21:21]
  • Lincoln’s son, Robert Todd Lincoln, was on the legal team that helped the Lee family win their case. [24:21]

• Saved by the Booths: Edwin Booth (brother to John Wilkes) once saved Lincoln’s son at a train station, two years before John Wilkes Booth assassinated Lincoln. [25:12]

6. Crime Is Fun: Pokemon and True Crime

• Donut’s New True Crime Show: Cody talks about “Crime is Fun,” bringing up wild criminal stories, including Pokémon card money laundering and counterfeiting, even by the Yakuza. [28:09–29:06]
  • “It’s totally legal to carry a few holographic Charizards through TSA—even if they’re worth thousands.” [29:06]
• Pokemon as War Assets: Absurd but funny speculation on how Pokémon would be used as real-world war assets, referencing toxic and explosive types as “dirty bombs.” [29:37]

7. Police Anecdotes and Pokemon Go

• Policing During Pokémon Go Craze: Eli recalls patrolling college kids venturing into dangerous neighborhoods to catch rare Pokémon. “They always put the best stuff in the worst areas... 'You're gonna get stabbed...'" [33:01]
• Police Ignoring Calls for Pokémon: Cops once ignored a robbery in progress to catch Pokémon: “They were like, no, fuck that, we’re gonna go catch the—” [37:03]

8. WWII & WWI: Insane Survival Stories

• Crocodile Massacre in WWII: The tale of 1,000 Japanese soldiers fleeing through a saltwater crocodile infested swamp, with only 20 survivors, is retold with dark glee. “Guinness Book of World Records: most human fatalities in a crocodile attack, at roughly 900.” [47:00–48:12]
• Battle of Verdun: Shell shock and hellish artillery barrages—“40 to 60 million shells fired in 10 months.” [44:07]
• Stalingrad Death Toll: The hosts are shocked by the 1.1 to 3 million death toll, more than the population of San Antonio. [52:25–52:37]

9. Safe Racism & Social Commentary

• Making Fun of Rednecks and Italians: Commentary on how redneck stereotypes remain open for ridicule, and Jack’s running bit about Italians: “No, it’s just racism for racism’s sake. Honestly. The old American pastime.” [57:02–58:05]
• ‘Safe Racism’ Explained: Jack’s self-aware riff about which groups are “safe” to make fun of: “That’s why you can get away with it—because I’m white. I can make fun of anyone from the Iberian Peninsula to Siberia…” [58:38]
• Demographic Humor: The rules shift depending on US Census categorizations. [58:55]

10. Political Convention Antics & Generational Disconnect

• CPAC Stories: Cody recounts a viral moment on stage where the crowd mistakenly cheers for impeachment hearings: “I was trying not to crack up the entire time…” [63:13]
  • “The only thing that went through my head was, well, I’ll see you all on Reddit.” [65:05]
• Boomer Tech Confusion: Mockery of elderly politicians clueless on tech and their lack of relevance in regulating AI and crypto. “Somebody who’s going to be regulating Bitcoin and AI probably should know what any of those things are.” [65:48]
• Live Shows & Tech Glitches: The group laughs about faulty audio monitors at conventions.

11. Movies, Filming, and Old School Cinematic Craft

• Praising Practical Effects: Raves for films using practical effects and animatronics (like Project Hail Mary, The Thing, 1917). “That’s better than the majority of shit they’re doing today.” [77:39]
• Kurosawa and Cinematic Innovation: Discussion of Akira Kurosawa and Japanese cinema's influence on Westerns; moving camera rigs as technical marvels. [78:56]
• Behind the Scenes: Bar scenes in movies filmed in silence, everything is foley’d in post. [112:06]

12. Japanese & International Culture

• Japanese Twitter & Texas BBQ: Wildly wholesome phenomenon as Japanese Twitter is auto-translated to English and discovers a shared love of BBQ and muscle cars. [87:03, 90:03]
  • “Japanese and American Twitter are getting along so well… we didn't know how much Japanese bros love barbecue and muscle cars.” [87:03]
• Cultural Exchange Tales: Yugoslavians’ random embrace of Mexican mariachi culture is also mentioned, alongside Polynesian food in Utah due to Mormon missionary history. [98:03]

13. Hollywood & Production Realities

• Range 15 & Making Films: Jack breaks down the harsh realities and respect he gained for movie-making after his experience with Range 15. “The fact that anyone can get a movie to the finish line is a miracle.” [107:38]
• Actors’ Place in the Hierarchy: Describes how on set, unless you’re a superstar, “actors are the bottom of the barrel. Lighting, sound, DP—so much more important.” [110:18]

14. Miscellaneous Notables & Running Jokes

• Charles Barkley and San Antonio: Joking about Barkley’s longstanding bit about “big ol’ women in San Antonio.” [55:14]
• Making Fun of Every Group: Safe (or not-so-safe) spaces in comedy - hilariously mapped out by Jack, e.g., “I'm allowed to do a good chunk of accents out there.” [90:03]
• Texas Film Industry Incentives: Shout out to McConaughey’s lobbying for Texas tax breaks to attract film productions. [113:31]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "Safe racism—I can make fun of anybody from the Iberian Peninsula to Siberia." – Jack [58:38]
• "That hatred of mankind... where you prioritize literally anything else.” – Cody, on eco-extremist AI [11:42]
• “I keep two challenge coins segregated… in case my house burns down.” – Jack [06:20]
• "You gotta love that Japanese culture of, like, 'You can't have a firearm, but here, let your 11 year old run the streets with essentially a living, breathing WMD.'" – Cody, on Pokémon [31:53]
• “Guinness Book of World Records: most human fatalities in a crocodile attack, at roughly 900.” – Cody [48:12]
• “I will always promise this one thing. I will be the best version of myself for y’all.” – Brandon Herrera [01:10]
• “If you can convince Polynesians to leave paradise for Salt Lake City, you know how to sell some shit.” – Jack [98:11]
• “Every bar scene you’ve ever seen… it's all put in in post… The rest is completely silent.” – Jack [112:06]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:12] — Meeting Gary Sinise / Charity work
• [06:01] — Challenge coins culture
• [09:46] — Why human comedy and trauma beats AI-generated content
• [11:59] — The “cold war” with AI
• [14:58] — YouTube play button inflation and shorts
• [19:51] — Arlington National Cemetery’s wild origins
• [25:12] — Lincoln family and the Booth brothers
• [28:09] — Donut’s True Crime: Pokémon Money Laundering
• [33:01] — Policing during Pokémon Go
• [44:07] — Shells fired at Verdun, WWI
• [47:00] — WWII: Crocodile mass deaths
• [52:37] — Stalingrad death toll
• [57:02] — Social commentary: redneck/Italian stereotypes
• [65:05] — CPAC gaffe and going viral
• [77:39] — Practical effects versus CGI in moviemaking
• [87:03] — Japanese Twitter, BBQ, and shared culture
• [98:03] — Mormon missions, Polynesian food, and Utah
• [107:38] — Respect for filmmaking post-Range 15
• [112:06] — Movie set secrets: dead silent bar scenes

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Tone & Style Highlights

The hosts’ signature mix of brash irreverence, insider military and police references, and random deep dives into history and culture keeps the episode rapid and unpredictable. They oscillate from dark military humor ("That’s the crocodile VA claim right there!") to wholesome internet moments (Japanese BBQ Twitter) to blunt, self-aware discussions about “white racism.”

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For New Listeners

If you want history told with humor, unfiltered police and military insider stories, a dash of true crime absurdity, and a ton of unscripted “did-you-know” anecdotes, this episode is a perfect encapsulation of the Unsubscribe Podcast’s appeal.

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Transcript

[Announcer]

K Pop Demon Hunters, Saja Boy's breakfast meal and Hunt Trick's meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is an honor to share.

[Announcer]

No, it's our honor.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is our larger honor.

[Cody]

No, really, stop.

[Brandon Herrera]

You can really feel the respect in this battle.

[Announcer]

Pick a meal to pick a side.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ba da ba ba ba.

[Cody]

And participate in McDonald's while supplies last. Like Pokemon on Pokemon crime.

[Brandon Herrera]

Or like, what's the 13% of the Pokemon anyway?

[Cody]

What's your deal with the Italians?

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, I just don't like the cut of their jib.

[Eli Double Tap]

You know, the of their cut.

[Brandon Herrera]

What? Oh, no, Jack. That was a passionate laugh.

[Jack Mandeville]

He just really dug in my brain just now. No, it's just racism for racism's sake. Honestly.

[Brandon Herrera]

Say hi to Eli. He's racially ambiguous. Brandon, his hair is fucking fabulous. Donut, a dog joke disposition. And there's a fat electrician.

[Jack Mandeville]

Welcome to Unsubscribe.

[Brandon Herrera]

What is up, everyone? It is April. Y' all know what that means? Autism merch. We are bringing back the old and introducing some new merch every shirt. 100% of the profits are going towards these amazing nonprofits. Also some new unsubtism shoes. We got three designs. One old one, two brand new ones. And then anything site wide on the bunker unsubscribed store. A portion of those profits will also be going towards that. Cause on top of that, a portion of anything [e-mail] will be going towards this exact same awesome cost each and every year. This is getting bigger and bigger. Last year we hit $235,000 donated. This year, I want to crush that number. We will also be doing giveaways for anyone buying anything. It's our way of saying thank you for making any of this possible. And we have some dope giveaways this year. That being said, thank you all so freaking much. Y' all are changing more lives than I think you know. I hope that really resonates with you. So thank you, each and every one of you. I will always promise this one thing. I will be the best version of myself for y'.

[Eli Double Tap]

All.

[Brandon Herrera]

And I will always listen to y' all on your feedback and try to help as much as possible. Thank you. Love y'.

[Cody]

All.

[Brandon Herrera]

On the count of three. Three, two, one.

[Cody]

Sorry for the splatter jacket.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's okay. It's not the first time I've been hit with shrapnel. Talking about cum. Never actually had metal going to my body.

[Cody]

Well, you did get shot.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yes. Thank you for your service. Yeah, good little Nick.

[Brandon Herrera]

Thank you for your service.

[Jack Mandeville]

Hey, you know what, Ty Fys to you, too.

[Eli Double Tap]

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the unsubscribed podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Double Tap, our good friend Jack Mandeville, Brandon Herrera, myself, donut operator. Thank you so much for being here.

[Brandon Herrera]

What's up, bitches?

[Eli Double Tap]

Hey, guys.

[Brandon Herrera]

Finally. When's the last time we recorded?

[Cody]

We ain't doing Gary's niece.

[Eli Double Tap]

Gary s niece. Is that last time we recorded?

[Cody]

I think so, yeah. We did that up in Nashville.

[Brandon Herrera]

Damn.

[Eli Double Tap]

We got busy there for a minute.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

How was meeting Lieutenant Dan?

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, the most down to earth amazing person.

[Jack Mandeville]

I've never heard a bad thing.

[Cody]

No, I. Nothing bad to say.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

He's so kind. He showed us around his office and showed us all his pictures and challenge coins. It was so cool.

[Cody]

He's the kind of guy that makes you feel like a bad person just because of. Not because you're bad, but because of how good he is.

[Jack Mandeville]

He's got pure good guy energy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, man, how much they've raised compared, like, was it 604?

[Eli Double Tap]

600 something? Million?

[Cody]

Well, because I thought it was 400. He corrected me with 650. 650 million.

[Jack Mandeville]

God dang. Hey, you do one movie like Forrest Gump, you've got leverage in those lobbying circles.

[Cody]

Man, that's. I. That's probably more than the GDP of several countries.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. I mean, what's kind of like, what's super commendable about him, too, is like, after he did Forest county, he didn't stop. He just kept going with Lieutenant Dan Band and then starting the Gary Sise Foundation.

[Jack Mandeville]

He's been working on, like, network television for years. Right.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was the big one that he said that. And there was another one, but those are the ones that really catapulted him and let him, as he said, have a voice to everyone to push what he wanted.

[Jack Mandeville]

But, you know, the best, in my opinion, the best role he ever played. And I think it was before Forrest Gump, before he became like a household name of Mice and Men.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

He was so incredible in that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, that's like one of his first. That was one of his first.

[Jack Mandeville]

That was like a passion project for him, too. Like, I think he produced that, if I'm not mistaken. And, like, he made that happen.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's more challenge Coins than anyone we have ever met combined.

[Cody]

It's like, what, 3, 500 or something like that and counting.

[Jack Mandeville]

He could just start his own country with, like, his own currency. Just melding all that together.

[Brandon Herrera]

Basically, it was a full table. Like, every square inch of that table had a challenge coin under it. And it was just. How long Was that table? 18ft.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, God. It was at least.

[Cody]

It was a massive conference table. Like, it was big.

[Jack Mandeville]

Where. Eli, were this. Were challenge coins that big 20 years ago? Do you remember it being. I don't think so either. Like, I can't remember if they've ever been that big of a deal as they have the last maybe 10 years.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because you got probably one during your entire.

[Jack Mandeville]

Dude. Yeah, because, like, a general pastor and they'd be like, great job, young Marine. Here's a coin. Yeah, they don't. They didn't. That wasn't a thing.

[Cody]

Okay, so it says challenge coins experienced a significant surge in popularity within the US Military during the Korean and Vietnam wars and became widespread across branches in the 80s and 90s.

[Jack Mandeville]

Huh.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, we would have so used.

[Cody]

The tradition has since expanded to. To include various civilian organizations.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's probably where the influx recently has come from. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because you would do it as a drinking game of who had the highest challenge coin, didn't have to drink. Anyone else that didn't match that could. So if you did a challenge, you slammed it on the table, they would look at the rank of that individual and be like, oh, got a drink? And you're like, huh.

[Cody]

I feel like we could probably do pretty well at. At this point.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

The general's army.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Well, I have been. I think quite possibly I have been, at this point handed maybe over 250 to 500 challenge coins at this point. There are two that I hold on to very dearly. When we were just. The first time we met, it was when Leroy Petrie and Clint. And Clint and I bonded instantly because we were the only guys on set smoking cigarettes. So we became BFFs. But. But those are the two challenge coins over the years that I keep in a separate area because usually I get back from these trips and I have, like, a whole £20 worth of challenge coins in my backpack. And so I just, you know, put them in a general area. But I. I make sure those two are segregated and in a place where if my house burnt down, I'd still have those coins.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, segregated coins. I like. Yeah, you don't save them

[Cody]

because Clints are super cool now.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, he. Yeah. Oh, man. I got it. May I?

[Cody]

Yeah, by all means.

[Jack Mandeville]

He let me make my own.

[Cody]

Oh, no.

[Jack Mandeville]

There's chances are you might have received a challenge coin from Clint Romesha lately, and it was me pounding it, not Clint. Sorry. He let me. He let me make a whole. I went to his house and he basically put me to work. There's. He hand makes all of them, which is so cool.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ours is up our Clint coins up there on the wall.

[Cody]

Oh, whoever he let make him.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yes. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Maybe a jack coin.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, No, I just made coins for three days. Oh, that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Is it his or your own? Oh, you made this one.

[Jack Mandeville]

He let me do all the pounding and I don't know, it's a. It's a process. But yes, he does it himself. Like he's in his garage a couple hours a day personally making all of his coins.

[Brandon Herrera]

They all have. What's the 8 stand for?

[Jack Mandeville]

The members of his platoon that were lost.

[Brandon Herrera]

Gotcha. No, yeah, yeah. Yours is more.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's been in my wallet. Yeah. Also, I'm not good at making challenge coins. That was my first time.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's such a cool dude. We were talking about.

[Cody]

Do you have, like. Just hold on. Fortunes, like from fortune cookies in your wallet?

[Jack Mandeville]

Okay, this sounds a little hokey, but sometimes you need to pick me up. And every once in a while, if I. If I have a good fortune in my fortune cookie, I put in my wallet. And to save inspiration, you see one. Okay.

[Cody]

You will die of dysentery.

[Eli Double Tap]

That's not right.

[Jack Mandeville]

Here's these. I probably accumulate accumulated these over a decade at this point.

[Brandon Herrera]

Financial burden is near.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Abundance. Okay.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, yeah. You need to pick me up. This is my version of a good one. White girl meme. Your sense of humor will lead to happiness. Yes. I need pick me ups every once in a while. And so what better way than spending $12 on some orange chicken and getting, you know, some encouragement from, you know, someone that might be indentured working in

[Cody]

that back kitchen, gaining weight because of an affirmation kink.

[Brandon Herrera]

Jack. That was a passionate laugh, right?

[Jack Mandeville]

He just really dug in my brain just now. I'm having to.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm really.

[Jack Mandeville]

I'm having to think about my motivation now. Why I do certain things like, oh, am I lacking something? Why am I doing this?

[Cody]

Sorry, we can dissect this a little further off air, but. Yeah, no, I got time.

[Eli Double Tap]

I got time.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I wrote a whole spiel in one of my episodes I was writing recently about the reason why I'm not worried about Chachi BT ruining My job is that human beings will always want to seek out authenticity. And ChatGPT was never sitting in class in 6th grade and had all the 6th grade girls laugh at him because someone told him that he had the biggest tits in the grade. That's never happened to ChatGPT before. ChatGPT can't replicate that kind of trauma. That makes you develop into a brain that can only do self deprecating humor. Because as a protection mechanism, I don't

[Cody]

know the amount of. I've asked, I've seen people ask Grok to do lately. ChatGPT and AI probably has more trauma than any of us combined.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah. It's probably heard some weird stuff, but then I will put in the most mundane stuff. And it's like that, that's been flagged for this and that. I'm like, I just asked you to draw a picture of Hitler riding a guinea pig. What's the big deal about this?

[Brandon Herrera]

Grok would be.

[Jack Mandeville]

Grok would do it. Yeah, I was gonna say old free speech Grok. Grok respects the first amendment, man.

[Cody]

Depends on what phase he's in. But my God, when he gets let off the leash, it's aggressive at the

[Brandon Herrera]

rate and back a little.

[Eli Double Tap]

Neither one of those motherfuckers will tell me anything about the FBI database, the crime statistic database.

[Jack Mandeville]

They will, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Grock and Grok won't chat up.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, they've had a. Is one of the issues with a extremely liberal AI base is the information it feeds. It does view humans as a threat. So it stops because we also will go. I mean you've seen the arguments. It's like, no, that's more important. Anything else is more important. Saving the environment, put life of animals first, all that. And it does consume that. And it's like, oh, okay, well got it. I don't need to worry about human life.

[Cody]

Then there's that word. There's a word for it. I don't know, I don't remember what it is at the top my head. But it's like that, that hatred of mankind essentially where like you prioritize literally anything else.

[Jack Mandeville]

So we're in a cold war with AI right now. That's probably the smartest thing I'll say all episode right there.

[Cody]

Yeah, well, the only problem with the, the cold war we're having with AI right now is that we're continuing to give them more resources and ammunition.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm looking at places and you know, my future. I want a homestead in the future I'm looking at place, I'm like, that water might be gone in a few years.

[Cody]

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's kind of like being in the space race with Russia, except right now we're like, would you like a Saturn V rocket?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

With less German scientists now.

[Cody]

Maybe that's why it's taking longer.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. No.

[Brandon Herrera]

So, Jack, you're. You're back into. I mean, you are now a year, two years into your YouTube journey.

[Jack Mandeville]

A little over a year. Yeah. Just hit the year mark recently. Yeah. Just hit 50,000 subscribers the other day. I'm stoked about that. Yeah. Never miss the deadline. I've always released episodes same time every week.

[Cody]

When does YouTube send you the first half of your play button?

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, yeah, right. That's what I'm. It sounds so, so good. Are you talking about the. The.

[Cody]

Yeah, like the plaques. Like the creator plaques.

[Jack Mandeville]

You know, it sounds silly. I've never been. I. I don't hold on to anything. I have very few accomplishments that I've held on to, like, physical things. It's very easy for me to toss stuff. That has been a big motivator to me to get one of those things.

[Cody]

I remember when I was first starting out, too. That was the one thing I'm like, oh, man. If I just get to that play

[Jack Mandeville]

button and now they're like half the size of when you guys got yours.

[Cody]

Okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

You can see, like the difference from that to that one.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Cody]

YouTube has been kind of skimping on the play buttons lately. I remember in the very beginning, there were the. The physical, like, plated play button. Like, it was like a nice, like

[Eli Double Tap]

a shadow box almost.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Because there was like five people with 100,000 subscribers.

[Cody]

Yeah. But then they. They just kind of got progressively shittier and. And now they're just going to, like, in five years, they're just going to send you a picture of a play button. Like on a printed piece of paper.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think Tim actually said it's because the influx of shorts and people are getting so many of them. They're like, oh, yeah, we got to make them short, smaller. And they talked about separating short play buttons from long form play buttons, which would be hard. But go further with the American Express Business Gold card, earn three times membership rewards points on flights and prepaid hotels.

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[Eli Double Tap]

Because like, like back in that was 2020, I think I got my million play button and the older days, huge. It was awesome looking and I looked it up and I was, I was like 700 something in the world. It's like, yeah, dude, now a million play buttons. You're gonna be like the 27, 000 in the world to have a million subscribers. It's insane.

[Cody]

What do you add for subs now?

[Eli Double Tap]

I'm 5.4 million subs on the main channel.

[Jack Mandeville]

What's is there a plaque for after?

[Cody]

A million 10 million. And then there's I think 2050 and

[Jack Mandeville]

there's what, like maybe a dozen of those people.

[Cody]

I mean I think it was just like after.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's crazy, isn't it?

[Brandon Herrera]

69,000 people have a million play buttons. Holy crud.

[Cody]

That's.

[Jack Mandeville]

I am going to quit August. I'm going to quit. I'm going to quit bothering with any of this shit. I'm just going to go uber for a living.

[Brandon Herrera]

Holy.

[Cody]

To be fair, a lot of those are like repeats where it's like one YouTuber has four accounts, five accounts and a lot of it's like corporate or you have like a musical artist.

[Jack Mandeville]

Okay.

[Cody]

A bunch of people like, it's not just like YouTubers, it's like big, you know, corporations will have them too.

[Brandon Herrera]

69,000, that's a lot.

[Cody]

That's way more than what I thought.

[Brandon Herrera]

As you said 700. You're like, fuck yeah. Under a thousand. I got this now.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's like, yeah. Welcome to shorts.

[Cody]

Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

Lord have mercy.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

YouTube done become TikTok.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, right. What's Jimmy at now? Jimmy's at 170.

[Cody]

Oh, he's over like 400.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, he's at 470 million.

[Eli Double Tap]

Jesus. Fudge.

[Brandon Herrera]

Let's see if he's over.

[Cody]

Did you just say fudge?

[Brandon Herrera]

Race car sounds. Yeah, Mystery beast. He's. Cody's changed. He's not going to curse anymore.

[Jack Mandeville]

I saw, I saw him walking out of that LDS Church the other day. That makes sense.

[Brandon Herrera]

474.

[Eli Double Tap]

Gosh.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, Mr. Beast.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, you guys are first name basis. I was really confused who you were talking about there.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's insane. I'm like, that's such an unheard of number. Brandon, do you need.

[Cody]

Not one more time. You got this, buddy.

[Eli Double Tap]

Brandon, can you.

[Jack Mandeville]

Brandon, do you.

[Cody]

Almost there, buddy.

[Jack Mandeville]

Brandon, where do you store your firearms?

[Cody]

All over my house in Every crevice.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, do I have the product for you, Nick. Show em here.

[Jack Mandeville]

Hand it to me, Brandon, so I can show you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Brandon, this is stop Box. Stop box.

[Jack Mandeville]

We love box.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're selling me what's in the box?

[Jack Mandeville]

You have to open it and find out.

[Cody]

All right, well, let's see if I can do this. Oh, wow, look at that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, can I hide my goop in that?

[Brandon Herrera]

You can hide your goop in that. Cody. Cody, do you know why I love this thing? Why? Why?

[Cody]

Why? God, why?

[Brandon Herrera]

Because you don't have to use keys.

[Jack Mandeville]

Gun not included.

[Cody]

Cody, you've got multiple cats in your house, including Squirt, who's quite the scrapper. Would you want Squirt to have access to your firearms?

[Eli Double Tap]

No, he's violent.

[Cody]

Well, then Stopbox is the perfect product for you. No cats getting inside that or people without thumbs.

[Jack Mandeville]

The nice part is it is actually TSA compliant.

[Cody]

I didn't actually know that part until a couple months ago. That is actually really cool. Just put a little lock through there.

[Jack Mandeville]

Exactly.

[Eli Double Tap]

When you check in a pistol or any gun, if there's a hole that a lot can go through on whatever you're checking your gun in, you have to put a lock through that. This has one hole, so you just need one lock, easily accessible once you land on the ground.

[Cody]

I know you're not normally a one hole kind of guy, but this is definitely an exception to the rule.

[Eli Double Tap]

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[Brandon Herrera]

Wait, what are tariffs like?

[Cody]

I'm pretty sure I shot a few

[Jack Mandeville]

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[Eli Double Tap]

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[Brandon Herrera]

Stopboxusa.com use code unsubscribe. So you're doing your. Your history segments, but we were talking about your. The grave. We had a story that both wanted to hear.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, I covered this in one of my previous episodes. Yeah, it was the story. Didn't know the story of Arlington. Arlington National Cemetery. Yeah. Can I get a little bit of a backdrop, please?

[Brandon Herrera]

Otherwise, I'm lost.

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, so the Lee and his wife's family, the Custis family, are as close you could have gotten to Virginia American royalty back in the Day. Robert E. Lee's wife. I don't need to give a backdrop on him. You degenerates know who he is. His wife was a direct descendant of George Washington through adoption. So she came from one of the most prestigious of prestigious Virginia families. He was a direct descendant. His grandfather was Washington's right hand man. They were actually cousins. He got that. The land of what is now Arlington National Cemetery through his wife. His marriage to Mary Lee and Civil War kicks off. Virginians had to start making some tough decisions in 1861, especially if you were an officer and a career military guy like Robert E. Lee. He gave it some tough thought. He was, from what I understand, he was actually here at the Manger Hotel in San Antonio, Texas when he decided to resigned from the Union army and joined the Confederacy.

[Cody]

Really? I did not know that's where that happened.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's what I've been told by people at the Manger. Yeah.

[Cody]

I do know that there's the place in Bernie where he was apparently his. The place that he stayed.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yep. He was. This was his base when the Civil War kicked off.

[Cody]

I did not know that. I knew he fought in the Mexican American War.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, yeah, they all did. That's. They came up together, man.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

That's neat. Okay, so that's news. I didn't know that either.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, he was stationed out here. I mean, a lot of those big names from the Civil War, Texas was their home base when everything kicked off. But yeah, Long story short.

[Brandon Herrera]

So it's still a wild idea. Like in the military just splitting. That is a wild idea.

[Jack Mandeville]

These guys who fought in that Mexican American War together, they were boys. They went to West Point together. A lot of these guys were boys who went and literally fought each other in that war. It's crazy to think about. And after the war, a lot of them picked right back up where they left off.

[Cody]

Yeah. And one that's something that when people talk about like, oh, there's another civil war coming for this country, like that sort of thing, or. First of all, I think that that's like a horrific last case scenario. That's. Nick. Anybody who's actually open a history book knows that that's a fucking horrible idea.

[Jack Mandeville]

It was bad in 1861.

[Cody]

Nowadays.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

But then you have the other side where they're like, oh, you could never stand up against the government. Look at everything the military has. And it's like, oh, you didn't read too much about what happened last time.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, there was a kind of a split in the officer corps There.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

I don't know how the politics of that would even go down, but, yeah. In 1861, Bobby Lee joins the Confederacy. And his property is literally within a stone's throw of Washington, D.C. it is right up there on the Potomac. And the first thing the Union army did was like, we can't let this populated area of Virginia. So the Union army moved into that Northern Virginia area and controlled it the entirety of the war. And that was Robert E. Lee's property. And they seized the property, and about halfway into the war, they started running out of burial space for all the Union soldiers that were dying. They're like, it. What's Lee gonna do about it? So they just started burying dead soldiers on his property there. And, you know, by the time the war was done, that's where you put dead soldiers at. Was on that Lee property.

[Brandon Herrera]

Either side, it was Union.

[Jack Mandeville]

There are a couple Confederate soldiers buried on that property.

[Cody]

What was the reason for that?

[Jack Mandeville]

I don't know. I've. But I've seen the. The headstones there, and they're old. Yeah, I don't. I couldn't tell you, but I've seen.

[Cody]

That's really interesting. Yeah, I never heard that.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, it's. It's right near the Lee house, their actual home. There's probably some reason why they got grandfathered into that. But, yeah, Long story short, the government was going to give that property back. And Robert E. Lee died in 1870. His wife, Mary, I think, died soon after. So his son, George Washington Custis Lee, had all the important names in that motherfucker's name. He was on his father's staff during the war and everything like that. He was like, yo, you illegally seized this land for my family. I want this back. And the government was like, no. Anyways, long story short, by the late 1870s, over 10 years after the war ended, he took the case all the way to the Supreme Court and. And won. And he got that prop. Now he didn't want the property at all because you can't do shit with it because a bunch of dead mothers on it. It's the Lee. It's not the Lee plantation at that point. It's the Lee dead body farm. And so he immediately sold the land back to the government and got millions of dollars. And that's how it basically officially became Arlington National Cemetery when the government legally acquired the land after the Supreme Court case. But this is my favorite part of the story. Do you know who. One of his. He wasn't his chief counsel, but do you know who One of the lawyers was that was helping him with his case to get that land back.

[Cody]

Kim Kardashian's dad.

[Jack Mandeville]

He was good. He was good. Yeah, he was. He was the morale lawyer. He wasn't the best lawyer on that squad, but O.J. liked him. They were boys, you know, they partied together. OJ Wasn't gonna party with Johnny Cochran.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Who was the lawyer.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

I don't think it helped. Get that one

[Cody]

that you know of.

[Brandon Herrera]

Was it a Lincoln?

[Jack Mandeville]

It was Robert Todd Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln's oldest son.

[Cody]

No shit.

[Jack Mandeville]

It helped the Lee family get their fricking property back.

[Cody]

No, I feel like I've heard that part of this.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. It's wild, man. And it just kind of shows. I think maybe those two. Those sons. Oh, and I'll go on a rant about Robert Todd, if you guys are interested. But I think those guys, that younger generation, I. Maybe it was symbolic. I don't know. But maybe that was a way to kind of. America still very much needed to heal at that point, and that was a good way to find a level of healing there.

[Cody]

Because reconstruction was not exactly an easy going process.

[Jack Mandeville]

No, it wasn't. And it was not far from being ended at that point. Yeah.

[Cody]

Now, you said Robert Todd at one point. I feel like you've told the story before, but I don't remember the details. Didn't he save someone at a train station who probably ought not be saved?

[Jack Mandeville]

He was saved. He was seconds away from death on a train platform. He was swooped up by a guy named Edwin Booth. Who? The older brother of John Wilkes Booth.

[Cody]

That was it.

[Jack Mandeville]

And two years later, killed Robert Todd's father. The thing. Edwin Booth wasn't a particularly. He was not a politically active person.

[Cody]

He.

[Jack Mandeville]

He. He was an actor in his peers form. He stayed the F out of it and just played Hamlet. And I think his brother doing that, who is also a successful actor, it like destroyed him mentally to have that be part of his family. Because his family, they were like the acting. They're. They were the American acting royalty of the day. They were like the most famous acting family in America.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's like a Leo pretty much at that time.

[Jack Mandeville]

Can you imagine if. Who's a big guy? The Baldwins, the bald. Can you imagine if one.

[Cody]

Well, that.

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, well, well. Okay. The Wilson brothers. The Wilson brothers. Can you imagine if one of the Wilson brothers.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wow.

[Jack Mandeville]

Went after Don? That would be the weirdest thing, right? Like, wait, what?

[Cody]

Yeah, like a Hemsworth takes a shot. It's like, see fucking what?

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Who? Yeah, the scars guards did what?

[Brandon Herrera]

That would be.

[Cody]

It would be Bill.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, my God.

[Cody]

Bill just got that look in his eye.

[Brandon Herrera]

The magazines during that, how did they portray that family?

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, I don't think it didn't go against Edwin Booth's career. I think he had a very successful career afterwards. I think Americans realize his brother was a nut job. We can't lose this fucking good actor, man.

[Cody]

Yeah, they said something similar about the Epstein files. Yeah, they're like, oh, but he was so good in Polar Express.

[Jack Mandeville]

He created Microsoft, man. I get to do teams meetings every day because of that guy. We can't go after him.

[Cody]

Well, now, when you put it that way.

[Brandon Herrera]

They get a pass.

[Jack Mandeville]

What's he gonna do, sue me? I'm worth. I'm a. I'm a. That guy's a trillionaire. I'm a hundred in heir. So what is he. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I can't even afford the lawsuit.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, good. Take away my collection of 1970s McDonald's cups. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Jack lives living his dream. Dear God, Cody, you have we barely got to talk about you winning, because that. Or winning the first part. And then Cody's been on a journey too, with streaming. You just started your new series.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Your podcast, Crime is Fun.

[Cody]

Go on about it. You're on like three. Three episodes now.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, it comes out every Friday. New one's coming out this Friday. Just talk about crime. It's a crime series. True crime. It's about 40 to 40 minutes to like an hour long. Just shit that I've always wanted to talk about, but it's really hard to put into a 15 minute format on the main channel.

[Brandon Herrera]

What's your first. What's your favorite one you've done so far?

[Eli Double Tap]

Pokemon Crime.

[Brandon Herrera]

I. I need to.

[Cody]

So. So I talk about like Pokemon on Pokemon Crime. Or like, what's that?

[Eli Double Tap]

Okay, so.

[Brandon Herrera]

So 13 of the Pokemon.

[Jack Mandeville]

Them.

[Eli Double Tap]

Darker Pokemon. It was. That was a fun one because I was talking about like the crime involved with counterfeit cards and rob. Sorry, sorry. Counterfeit cards and robberies involving Pokemon cards. Because, I mean, the mother are worth so much money now.

[Cody]

Because isn't there a bunch of like, money laundering and that shit too?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For instance, there were some Yakuza, like Japanese mafia guys come out and it's like, yeah, that's a great way to launder money because you got these tiny little cardboard things worth thousands and thousands

[Brandon Herrera]

of dollars, hundreds of millions now.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, now you can just pack those into suitcase or smuggle them anywhere you want to. Do they counterfeit yeah, there's a lot of counterfeiting in it, too, especially in the grading market.

[Cody]

But it's also. It's totally legal, too. Like, if you're going through tsa, like with fifty thousand dollars, hundred thousand dollars in cash or with drugs, like, that's sketchy. But, like, if you have three, like, holographic charizards, who gives a. Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Shaniqua at TSA is going to be like, cards.

[Jack Mandeville]

Cool.

[Eli Double Tap]

Okay, here you go. And so they take them all around the world and they put them into the market, and they're getting hundreds of thousands of dollars just laundering money through them. But my favorite part of the episode I talked about with Pokemon Crime is how you could use Pokemon in the real world as war assets.

[Brandon Herrera]

What?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, like, okay, we go into the Pokemon universe, right?

[Jack Mandeville]

Are you a Pokemon guy, by the way?

[Eli Double Tap]

I grew up on it, dude. I had Pokemon Blue in 1998 on the original Game Boy. But you go to. You go to. I can't remember what gym it was. You go to the. The electricity Pokemon guy, Sergeant whatever his name is, and he's like, I used to shock my enemies in war with my electric Pokemon. Which that means that there was warfare in the Pokemon world. And they used Pokemon in warfare, which opens up a whole nother world. So I jumped into, how did they use Pokemon in warfare?

[Cody]

When you said that in the beginning, I thought you meant in our world. No, I was like, fucking. Excuse me.

[Eli Double Tap]

No, but I'm thinking convention in Pokemon War. I said that in the episode. I was like, do they have the poke Geneva conventions here?

[Brandon Herrera]

Because, dude, Sicario scene completely changed. When he walks in. He walks in with the squirtle, kicks his leg. He's just drowning him with Squirtle.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, man. And then I was. I was talking about, like, you have, like, muck, you know, if you reverse his name, it's come, but he's just. He's just made of toxic sludge.

[Cody]

Thank you for that.

[Eli Double Tap]

What if they just took a muck and threw it into a town's water supply? Whole city's fucking done for.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's war crime.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Or you got. You got Pokemon only the first time. Self destruct. You put those next to koffing, who has, like a gas attack. You got a dirty bomb.

[Brandon Herrera]

I love the idea of just seeing a koffing. And an electric was electrode.

[Eli Double Tap]

A little magnet, like.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, there's a bomb one. It looks like a giant pokeball. They're just duct taped together.

[Eli Double Tap]

Exactly. And then in the middle of this, like, mass cash Incidents from Pokemon.

[Brandon Herrera]

We're banging milks and then they just

[Cody]

let children have these. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Eli Double Tap]

And I, I make that point too. Ash just goes into the world as a 11 year old boy with, with a, a fire dragon in his pocket. And there's strangers like, like just strangers who come up and are like, hey boy, I'm gonna fight your Pokemon.

[Brandon Herrera]

Hey, you walked in front of my path. We fighting, yo. Also, sending your kid off at 11 is always wild. It's like, hey, what?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, they didn't have cell phones or anything. Well, you gotta love that little mother.

[Cody]

You got to love that Japanese culture of like, oh well, you can't have a firearm, but here you can let your 11 year old run the streets with essentially a living, breathing wmd. Exactly.

[Jack Mandeville]

In the Pokemon world, is there like a straight that can be controlled with trap with naval traffic? Is that part of the equation of the Pokemon battlefield?

[Eli Double Tap]

I do believe so.

[Jack Mandeville]

Okay. Just wondering.

[Cody]

I'd have to look at the map again.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, I get into the psychic Pokemon too. You can control people. You can psychically control people.

[Cody]

That's got implications. I don't like side duck.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's on an island. It's crazy.

[Jack Mandeville]

My cop buddy in West Texas, shout out to Mike. He said that when he first started as a cop, if you saw someone in the park at 2 in the morning, there were 100% doing something shady. And then Pokemon Go came out and then it became a 50, 50, 50 thing that usually it was just people playing Pokemon Go at some point.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Before Pokemon Go was gay dudes fucking in the park. That was like the thing.

[Cody]

Yeah, that was just the Navy

[Eli Double Tap]

after Pokemon Go. Yeah. There was like, I talk about that in that episode too. Like I had to keep college kids from wandering into the worst parts of the city. I worked.

[Jack Mandeville]

They just wanted to get there because

[Eli Double Tap]

they were going to get robbed and stabbed.

[Cody]

Okay. And you were policing during like the

[Eli Double Tap]

heat of Pokemon when it, when it first came out. Pokemon Go came out while I was

[Cody]

policing nights, Hillary Clinton like Pokemon Go to the polls. Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

So I had to.

[Cody]

She said that I kept so many

[Brandon Herrera]

hands were shot about that. Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

I kept so many college kids from just like going into the bad parts. And they're like, we're just trying to get this charizard over here. And I'm like, you're gonna get.

[Jack Mandeville]

You worked around Clemson there, right?

[Eli Double Tap]

Not Clemson. No, I didn't work around there. I worked in Spartanburg.

[Jack Mandeville]

Okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

Beautiful area.

[Jack Mandeville]

I like that area. I used to spend a lot of time around there.

[Eli Double Tap]

The downtown area is really cool.

[Jack Mandeville]

On my way to Greenville. I love Spartanburg.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, Spartanburg. But if you go north or south of the main street, then, oh, you

[Jack Mandeville]

know me, I'm not a bad neighborhood kind of guy.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't want to do that.

[Brandon Herrera]

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[Cody]

No. Gambling should be left to the experts. Like me.

[Jack Mandeville]

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[Brandon Herrera]

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[Jack Mandeville]

Every time she says, ah, dude, that

[Brandon Herrera]

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[Eli Double Tap]

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[Cody]

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[Brandon Herrera]

Boom.

[Cody]

The one time I went to Spartanburg was I told you this story is to pick up a piece of equipment. The only. I think it's the only time I've ever been to Spartanburg. I watched somebody OD at a gas station.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, that happens.

[Cody]

It's like I've just realized, oh, we're in that kind of all right.

[Jack Mandeville]

And all I got was this T shirt.

[Cody]

Didn't even get that. I got it. I got a packet of toe straps. That's what I remember that occasion by. But that's I mean, that's probably every day in the areas you policed 100%, man.

[Eli Double Tap]

They call it murder for a reason.

[Brandon Herrera]

What were the college kids? I guarantee people would argue. Also hilarious. They were just Pokemon. Go itself was like, well, let's put a Mewtwo in that really bad area, see what happens.

[Eli Double Tap]

Which is funny because it's completely randomized where they put the ship. But it was funny. They always put the best stuff in, like, the worst areas. And so I would find these. These clueless college kids just walking around like, I'm trying to get this. Like, no, you're coming with me right now. You're going back here.

[Brandon Herrera]

That. Dude, that probably. They probably stand out. So when you pull up, you're like, hey, what are you. The fuck are you doing?

[Eli Double Tap]

They stood out a little bit.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's the definition of proactive policing right there.

[Eli Double Tap]

Well, I was trying to. I was trying to catch the same. They were catching, too,

[Jack Mandeville]

that. Can you imagine a cop getting fired because they were doing Pokemon Go? They did they.

[Brandon Herrera]

Don't. They.

[Jack Mandeville]

What?

[Eli Double Tap]

Los Angeles, they had a case where these two. These two or three officers didn't respond to a robbery because they were trying to catch a Pokemon.

[Cody]

It just. Well, to be fair, it's two birds, one stone. You're catching Pokemon and criminals in the same area.

[Eli Double Tap]

True. I mean. I mean, we were catching them, but at least if someone said, hey, there's a robbery here. We went to the robbery. There was a couple guys in Los Angeles that were doing that, and they were like, no, fuck what our sergeant's saying. We're gonna go catch the.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, we got a great union.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Dear Lord.

[Brandon Herrera]

Holy shit. What was your. For the corruption side. What was one of the craziest stories on, like, selling cards or just where it was. Oh, there was.

[Eli Double Tap]

Holy.

[Brandon Herrera]

They got that much money from it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. There was one guy, he was a bank robber, and he went to prison for, like, I think it was eight to 10 years. And he got out and he. He would give TED talks about how, like, you should reform your life and not be a criminal anymore. And then he saw how Pokemon was blowing up, and he started. He started to. Yeah, he started taking shitty cards and redoing them and then grading them, like, false. Grading them as 10, you know, 10 shiny cards or whatever, and selling them. And he wouldn't sell them under his name, and he did that for years. And he made, like, millions and millions of dollars before the feds caught on. And then they came in and he sold a fake Pokemon card to him and got them.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's like a. That's like the perfect premise for Catch Me if youf can part two right there.

[Cody]

Oh, dude. He.

[Eli Double Tap]

He got away with it. Him and a partner got away with it for years.

[Jack Mandeville]

Wow.

[Cody]

Also, with Catch Me if you can, didn't it come out later that the guy was lying about that whole story?

[Jack Mandeville]

He. I mean, just his character alone. There was. Yeah. A history of lying with that fella. Wow. Yeah.

[Cody]

Famed con man liar. Well, it's. It's funny that the, like, it.

[Brandon Herrera]

It.

[Cody]

It. That his. His greatest con ever, ironically, might have been conning everyone into believing he was a con man.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cody]

It's like, I just love that somebody went back at the story he told and they're like, wait a minute. This time you were supposedly in Louisiana and all these places, you were in federal prison.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

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[Brandon Herrera]

Things aren't adding up. This is such a good movie, too.

[Cody]

It's a great movie. That's Martin Scorsese again, isn't it?

[Jack Mandeville]

I think that was Spielberg.

[Cody]

Oh, no, Spielberg. That's right. Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

I just see Leo and I immediately assume Scorsese.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, Those two, they go hand in hand. Like Wayne and Ford. Yeah, John Wayne and. Yeah. Bob Ford, director.

[Eli Double Tap]

God, that was Tom Hanks in that, too.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. You know, funny story about. I'm sorry, not Robert Ford. John Ford.

[Cody]

I was gonna say Robert Ford shot Jesse James.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, yeah. John Ford. John Ford. He was one of those directors when World War II kicked off, that he, like, was already, like 50 years old and had, like, two Academy Awards under his belt. And he, like, volunteered to go shoot out war propaganda and was like, at midway in the middle.

[Cody]

No shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Like, he got into the sh. And you gotta understand, early 1950s Hollywood, every single crew member had just gotten back from World War II, and John Wayne got himself a lot of deferments. And whenever John Wayne would start getting a little testy on set, John Ford used to, like, punk him out in front of the crew. Like, we all did the war. Why didn't you go, John?

[Brandon Herrera]

You have no rebuttal? Because you can't like, you look like a douche.

[Jack Mandeville]

This was the only war in American history where everyone was expected to show up. And you didn't. You banged all the actresses while that grip over there was getting shot at in Normandy.

[Cody]

Because that was like, that was an entire generation of guys.

[Jack Mandeville]

And by the way, Jimmy Stewart, 36 years old, Academy Award under his belt, doing bombing missions in Europe, you know what I mean? Ted Williams already had a frickin triple crown under his belt. Already on the COVID of Sports Illustrated. Fly, you know, fighter pilot in the Pacific. Like, why didn't you go John Wayne, dude?

[Brandon Herrera]

It's crazy when you hear or read about the history, Even World War I there was the flower of feather girls in France or England. So they, so they would hand out feathers. They would just paid a whole bunch of females to hand out feathers because a world war hadn't happened. So they were just enlisting young guys to go fight all trench warfare. They'd walk around, oh, hey, you're active. Why are you here? Why aren't you fighting like. And they would hand out these feathers

[Jack Mandeville]

here or in Europe.

[Brandon Herrera]

Europe. Oh yeah. So they'd give the girl the beautiful girls walk. It's like, here's a feather. And that was, oh, I'm a. Because I just got handed a feather. I'm not doing my country's not service. I suck as a human.

[Jack Mandeville]

I mean that was their backyard. You really needed to show up and

[Brandon Herrera]

they stopped it because the girls were just handing them out. And then they started handing them out to the wrong individuals. There was a soldier with Europe's or I think the British Army's highest, our Medal of Honor.

[Jack Mandeville]

Essentially he was just home on leave.

[Brandon Herrera]

He was back. Yeah, he did his thing. He was back and he'd already got cycled out plus another war. He did and they gave it to him. They're like, what are you doing? And he's the one that actually raised in a fuss where he was like, I'm a fucking Medal of Honor recipient. What the are you talking about?

[Jack Mandeville]

It's like when that stolen valor craze started getting a jump in the shark a bit, getting a little out of hand.

[Cody]

It was just like the MeToo movement pretty much.

[Jack Mandeville]

They started doing it and then you come to find I was like, oh no, that guy actually has that medals. He's just senile and walks around in his uniform these days.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, he's not stolen valor. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Cody]

The. Well, you were telling me the other day we were talking about World War I and like it was either the Ardennes or Argonne.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, Verdon. The Battle of Verdun, what was it? Verdon.

[Cody]

Verdun, yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

World War I, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Cody]

Where they were saying that they were. They were cycling people out on like, very, very quick rotations. Just kind of like, oh, we'll get him out and then we'll put him back in. But they didn't want to fucking go back. So it like backfired.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, the battle overdone. It was, oh, everyone else. You would do these long deployments and then you psycho. And they're like, oh, we gotta have fresh soldiers. So they stay hyped and everyone's happy. We'll do that with Verdun and then they'll rotate through World War I. But you have to go there. And it's a quick rotation that backfire. At first it was great. And then everyone that experienced Verdun was like, fuck war. Like war. Because they did guess how many mortars and artillery shells hit just in Verdun. Just guess. And was it 10 months?

[Cody]

Not my head. I have no idea.

[Jack Mandeville]

I don't know. I'll caution 200,000, 40 to 60 million.

[Brandon Herrera]

They have one video. There was one video trying to show it to Brand.

[Jack Mandeville]

That was World War I. So they didn't even have Jews to make all that.

[Cody]

The Jews, they were still there.

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, they were doing the fighting. They were in the trenches.

[Cody]

Oh, I see D.

[Jack Mandeville]

Brandon, slow burn.

[Cody]

Slow burn on that one.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, dude, I want Finn or Chase if you can find it. The footage, they have a couple of shots of artillery just hitting in Verdun.

[Jack Mandeville]

Looks like cluster bomb.

[Brandon Herrera]

Bo.

[Jack Mandeville]

Bo.

[Brandon Herrera]

It just non stop. Every second a fucking mortar or artillery shell's going off and then, dude, just running through it non stop. And they said that was every fucking day. That is the one time I've watched something and being like, holy shit, I would never want to experience it. That is on a different level. It looks like, oh, that's like a movie. Everything just blowing up. That. That just never stops.

[Cody]

Those are the two wars I want nothing to do with. If I could go back in time and fight any war. World War I and Vietnam sounded like they fucking sucked. Like, no war is great, but those in particular, I wouldn't want to be

[Jack Mandeville]

in like Guam or Peleliu in World War II either. Like, yeah, that sounded like it. The. The. The. The Pacific theater world, that sounded like it was the. The elements were worse than the Japanese.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's where the alligator thing happened, right?

[Jack Mandeville]

It happened in the Pacific. Yeah, that was when the Indianapolis went down, yeah, those guys like survived for days. And then most of them were gone because they get then been eaten by like alligators and sharks and shit.

[Cody]

I think it was deep sea, so it would have been just sharks.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. But out there's. Out there was crocodile problems that happened with dudes that were washed ashore and. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

What was the unit that ran into they didn't know is an actual crocodile swamp. They were trying to escape. And all of them died. They were all ate by crocodiles.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's why I don't use the word pogue, because somebody. Somebody was supposed to intelligence people were supposed to anticipate those crocodiles. That's an important part of warfare is knowing if you're gonna be landing into fucking crocodiles.

[Cody]

I'd be kind of disorder.

[Eli Double Tap]

Why that makes me think of the squad. You remember when.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Who. He can't swim.

[Cody]

Like, no one's supposed to check if. What is it? Weasel can't swim.

[Eli Double Tap]

Weasel can't swim. He's like, wait, wait, wait. There's crocodiles there and sharks. Who was supposed to check that?

[Cody]

They're watching it on the helicopter.

[Eli Double Tap]

Like, oh, fuck.

[Cody]

Well, not a helicopter, but, you know.

[Brandon Herrera]

Troops of the 15th Indian Corps landed on Rama island off of the coast of Burma in World War II.

[Jack Mandeville]

So Indian British soldiers from India and

[Brandon Herrera]

then during this they pushed back the Japanese. The Japanese ran. During World War II, about 1,000 Japanese soldiers were reportedly massive occurred by saltwater crocodiles. Because they jumped into it to escape. Not knowing that I guess for months or years they were being starved the crocodiles because of building all the defense systems. So they ran into the water and

[Cody]

they just got fucking murdered. It's their soldiers. That's okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, we're good. I heard someone 20 made it out alive. So a thousand died. 20 made it out alive. You're just watching your homies just get torn apart.

[Cody]

That is ptsd. That I was gonna say.

[Jack Mandeville]

Can you imagine going to the VA for a disability rating? Like, so what battle were you in? Like, the crocodiles, man. It was the crocodiles.

[Eli Double Tap]

Are you fucking crazy, man?

[Cody]

No, no. The crocodile guy stops writing on his clipboard. The what?

[Jack Mandeville]

Ramree Island. Wait, that's gonna be an episode. May I? May I?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, yeah, that's gonna be an episode.

[Brandon Herrera]

Just that sentence. Guinness, the Guinness Book of World Records.

[Jack Mandeville]

Like, congratulations.

[Cody]

Yeah, seriously. Awarded it the dubious distinction of quote, most human fatalities in a crocodile attack at roughly 900.

[Jack Mandeville]

Can you imagine? You're some middle age. Please. There's some middle aged dude in London, working at the Guinness place. Like, we need you to go to Burma right now while we're in the middle of war. Something gnarly just happened.

[Cody]

And they said that that award was given by the Guinness Book of world records in 1968, meaning most likely all of the survivors were still alive.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

All 20 of them.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. He had to go to Tokyo and find dudes like. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

What did we win? It's a celebration. They have no idea what they're getting awarded.

[Eli Double Tap]

We get a crocodile elsewhere there.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Reminds me of, like, my life insurance payout. Cashier.

[Jack Mandeville]

The giant check.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wait, told you about that.

[Cody]

No, get Tilda right here.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's golden.

[Jack Mandeville]

Come here.

[Brandon Herrera]

Connor's gonna tell how life insurance should be done.

[Eli Double Tap]

Were there 9,000 crocodiles just breeding like rabbits out there?

[Cody]

900 people dead.

[Brandon Herrera]

So apparent. And they starred them so the crocodiles couldn't eat because everything that was built around them. So the second the Japanese were like,

[Eli Double Tap]

fuck, we're in food.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yep.

[Eli Double Tap]

Mmm.

[Cody]

Chicken tikka masala.

[Eli Double Tap]

I guess we're eating.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm so hungry already.

[Cody]

Guess we're eating Asian guys were hungry for an hour.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, they were full for one hour and then.

[Cody]

Guess we're eating Asian tonight. Oh, it was Japanese got killed by him.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Cody]

Oh, I misheard that story. I thought it was Indians got killed by him.

[Jack Mandeville]

No, but now you got to change it to sushi instead of chicken tikamolisa.

[Cody]

That was close. No, I think life insurance policy payouts should be paid with giant cardboard checks. Just like lotteries. Yeah, well, no, like Publishers Clearinghouse. You remember back in the day when they show up and you're like, you won. Here's a million dollars. I think they should do that with life insurance policy payouts. You have to pose for a picture. Your husband died in a work related accident.

[Brandon Herrera]

Here's a million dollars. Just a family.

[Cody]

The life insurance company posted on their Twitter a new winner helping new families every day. It's a dumbass joke, but I love it.

[Jack Mandeville]

I heard. I heard someone say the reason why there are just so many, like, in Europe is because like, all their toughest guys got killed in these two world wars within 40 years.

[Cody]

You know, it was pretty brutal. I mean, that. You're talking about the percentage of the. The young population of Europe decimated in World War I alone.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I mean, even Russia was it. How many percentage of the males were lost for Stalingrad?

[Cody]

Stalingrad alone, I think was like 2 million fatalities. Like Stalingrad was.

[Brandon Herrera]

The Russians lost 20 to 40 million. I think Right.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Because I think we talked about this a few weeks ago. I think Stalingrad was, like, the deadliest battle in human history ever.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah. It was Russians just sending people to the meat grinder, and then Germans fighting said meat grinder, and that one was 2 million.

[Cody]

Oh, dear Lord. Yeah. So on the. On the Russian side alone, or the. The Soviet side? Because Reddit gets mad when you confuse Russian. Soviet.

[Eli Double Tap]

Fuck.

[Cody]

You read it being Reddit, during the Axis offensive, they had 187,000 personnel died. During the Soviet counteroffensive, anywhere between 1.1 and 1.14 million personnel died in their counter attack. What's a. What's an equitable, like, city in the United States?

[Jack Mandeville]

San Antonio. San Antonio is around. It's a little over 2 million.

[Eli Double Tap]

Really?

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Oh, that's just not counting the metropolitan area. That's just the Russian side. On the. The German side, during the Axis offensive, it was 270,000 personnel. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm completely misreading this. This is the. This is their strength.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, okay.

[Cody]

People they brought in. Okay. Casualties and losses.

[Brandon Herrera]

Also. Still a. Why. Imagine showing up to a war like one sector of a battle and there's 1.6 million soldiers with you on your side.

[Cody]

It was about one.

[Brandon Herrera]

We had a battalion.

[Cody]

It was about 1.1 million, roughly. Total dead. According to this article or according to Wikipedia, total dead on both sides is anywhere between 1.1 and 3 million deaths.

[Brandon Herrera]

For Stalingrad alone.

[Cody]

For Stalingrad alone.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's some golly.

[Brandon Herrera]

That is more than the city of San Antonio battling for the city of San Antonio.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, yeah. It would be a lot more in San Antonio. People are a little slower here. Yeah, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Keep the tortoise up front. Big old women down in San Antonio,

[Eli Double Tap]

Charles Barkley on the phone, they're not

[Jack Mandeville]

as quick of foot in this community.

[Cody]

We were stacking bodies, tail 10ft high.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's two bodies. Just three plate carriers. Just taping them off. They're so slow, Betty.

[Cody]

You know what I hate, Max?

[Brandon Herrera]

Leaving money on the table.

[Cody]

I really hate missed calls, too.

[Brandon Herrera]

Better than the first one you said?

[Cody]

Yeah, in no particular order.

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[Eli Double Tap]

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[Jack Mandeville]

Only Zool God, that'd be the greatest show ever. If you guys got Charles Barkley on here in San Antonio.

[Cody]

I would love to have Charles Barkley on this show.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's welcome.

[Cody]

The big old women.

[Brandon Herrera]

Big old women.

[Cody]

His. Him making that a running bit is one of my favorite things.

[Jack Mandeville]

Been 15 years, 20 years he's been doing that.

[Cody]

Yeah, I love his. The one that they did where they had all of the very attractive women that they ran into in the street that were just like, oh, well, I think Charles Barkley, he's bald or he's old or whatever. Like, you know, talking to the women of San Antonio, what do you think of Charles Barkley? And then they cut back to him and his reply was, how long did it take you to find that many attractive women?

[Eli Double Tap]

Where'd you find them?

[Cody]

You were there all night.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

He's like, those women are from Dallas. They're from Dallas, Chuck. They're from Dallas.

[Cody]

He's so funny.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, he is. He is like, not. You don't even have to be a sports fan to appreciate him.

[Cody]

Because I'm not a sports fan. I appreciate him.

[Jack Mandeville]

He is one of the greatest personalities in American sports history. Like, without a doubt, because he, he. He's like, he's from, like, bum fuck, Alabama, and he doesn't hide that. He doesn't try to sound like the smartest guy in the room. But he's actually a really intelligent guy. But he's still got that Southern drawl and everything like that.

[Cody]

I feel like we're just because of Hollywood or media that we've had growing up, we're like, predisposed to believe that if you have a Southern accent, you're stupid 100%. A lot of those guys have a Very like a very technical, like, hands on intelligence.

[Jack Mandeville]

Some of the greatest poets and artists and that we've had the biggest impacts on American culture came from Mississippi and in Alabama, you know, all those Tennessee Williams and all that. Yeah, it is absolutely. Because of. It is because of movies.

[Cody]

Yeah. It's one of the last people groups you can make fun of now.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

And not get in trouble for.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, exactly.

[Eli Double Tap]

The American redneck is. They're open game. You can make fun of the American redneck all day. And most people think redneck means, like, you're just from Alabama or Georgia or South Carolina.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's a. That's all 50 states. Redneck is not exclusive to the. The south by any means.

[Cody]

But some of the cartoon caricatures.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yes.

[Cody]

In movies and TV shows of rednecks or hillbillies or what have you.

[Jack Mandeville]

Elmer.

[Cody]

Thank you, buddy. Yeah, well, no, like, just like the, like, crooked tooth, you know, overalls, whatever. If you did that to any other culture, it would be horrifically cancelable.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I still feel like it's safe to make fun of Italians.

[Eli Double Tap]

You bet.

[Cody]

You've had this Italian cake for a while.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

What did they do to you? What is the backstory?

[Brandon Herrera]

I support?

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I work within the realm of safe racism. Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Luigi. This punk ass bitch. Dude.

[Cody]

Anyway, what's your deal with the Italians?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, I just don't like the cut of their jib, you know?

[Cody]

I don't know. Please explain the.

[Eli Double Tap]

Of their cut.

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, look, there's a thing. I know there's a lot of. No, he's right, though. No, look, This is. This is what happened. This is what happened. I made one Italian joke on some show I think we were doing. Let him cook. You guys laughed, and that was the worst thing that happened to me. So then I just had to lean into it, and now it's a thing. The fact is, I grew up in the suburbs in Minnesota.

[Brandon Herrera]

There.

[Jack Mandeville]

I haven't had a lot of interaction with Italians in my life. All I know them is from the movies. So. No, it's just racism for racism sake.

[Cody]

Honestly, the old American pastime.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I can get away with it because I'm white and.

[Announcer]

Well,

[Jack Mandeville]

that's why you can get away with what? Are you worried I'm gonna ruin your Italian demographic? Your voting base here in Texas, Very

[Cody]

big in San Antonio.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I'm staying away from Germans and Mexicans. You're good.

[Cody]

I just. I love the fact that you're like, oh, well, it's racism, but I can get away with it because I'm White.

[Jack Mandeville]

And I'm like, well, yeah, it's called safe racism. I can make fun of anybody from the Iberian peninsula to Siberia. It's safe within that realm. There's different. Of course, there's different shades. I could make fun of Arabs too, because they're considered white under the U.S. census.

[Cody]

That's true. That's. Most people don't know that. That is technically true.

[Jack Mandeville]

Arabs are free game. Anybody that's of from Russia.

[Cody]

Which is why there's so many technical white suicide bombings in the United States.

[Jack Mandeville]

Dude, can you believe a couple white guys did 9 11? Dude,

[Cody]

according to the census. Can you hear that thin ice cracking?

[Brandon Herrera]

Brandon's running, though.

[Eli Double Tap]

You're.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're fucking doing great.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Brandon, you won. You just got back from cpac. And how'd that go? Mine.

[Cody]

That was interesting. I was in the political gaffe of the week.

[Jack Mandeville]

What's the political gaffe of the week?

[Cody]

Oh, man. So we went to CPAC and it was really early in the morning.

[Eli Double Tap]

What's cpac?

[Cody]

So it's the. Well, I got a lot of shit for that.

[Eli Double Tap]

People like.

[Cody]

I thought you weren't going to sell out to the big packs. PAC being. Being like, you know, people that fund the campaign. Political Action committee. CPAC stands for Conservative Political Action Conference. So it's just an event. So it's funny. The amount of people are like, you're already selling out to the packs. It's like, that's not what this.

[Eli Double Tap]

You just wanted to talk to people.

[Cody]

Yeah, it's like, hey, I spoke for two minutes.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's blizzcon.

[Eli Double Tap]

But I was stinky, though.

[Cody]

Yeah. Yes, I will say that. That's. The people there were actually, you know, pretty hygienic.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. There's a lot more Lily Pulitzer dresses over there at.

[Cody]

I'm not smart enough to get that joke.

[Eli Double Tap]

Are you just making your jokes now?

[Jack Mandeville]

No, I've noticed there's a. There's. This isn't even an insult. It's an observation. There's a disproportionate amount of conservative women that are considered upper middle class. They love Lily Pulitzer dresses.

[Brandon Herrera]

I don't even know.

[Cody]

I don't know what that is.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, it's a. It's a. It's a brand. It's the really cover colorful flower dresses. I believe you conservative women that are in the upper class, they like Lily Pulitzer. It's like a part of their look. I see it all in town here. I look at that one like, I know who she voted for.

[Cody]

Yeah, I will. I will Keep that little nugget of wisdom with me always.

[Brandon Herrera]

I've seen these dresses. It's those dresses. Those are way more expensive than I thought they would be.

[Jack Mandeville]

If you see a woman in one of those dresses, Brandon, you know you're getting her vote.

[Cody]

Fair enough. Actually, I know if her husband gives

[Eli Double Tap]

her permission, that makes me think of the like blow like 70s style dresses for $400.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Damn. Yep.

[Jack Mandeville]

That is. Hey, all five of your female listeners are really gonna appreciate that joke.

[Cody]

Okay, the all five of them.

[Jack Mandeville]

You know who you are.

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[Eli Double Tap]

So we had Lily pull at your dresses.

[Cody]

The political gaffe of the week. I saw it all over. It was like the front page of fucking Reddit. The guy who runs CPAC was out in front of me and unfortunately because of the camera angle, I was directly in the background of this shot when it happened. And it was a generational lock in because I was trying not to crack the up the entire time because the guy went up there and he was basically just saying, look, if we let the Democrats take over the House of Representatives, we're going to have, you know, basically they're just going to stonewall Trump at every, you know, move, yada yada, like the whole, like he's given like a rally speech. It was early in the morning, the audio was really bad. So Nobody could really hear. Like, I could barely hear what was going on behind. To be perfectly honest, I probably caught every other.

[Jack Mandeville]

You're also on a weird part of the stage for that.

[Cody]

Yeah, like, the monitors were not very good. I couldn't hear shit. I don't know what the audience could hear.

[Brandon Herrera]

We've experienced that. If there's no monitors facing you, it is. You can.

[Cody]

Every other live show, pretty much, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

That. Yeah, it is terrible. Even though they're. Cody, you were across the table. We had multiple shows where there was. We're just looking at each other. I'm like, am I laughing yet? I think, yeah, if you're just struggling.

[Eli Double Tap]

Some of you came to the live shows. There are a couple live shows where we discussed it. We're like, if you don't have monitors, if you don't have the sound coming back at you, you. You don't even know what. Like, I wouldn't hear Eli, to me,

[Cody]

right at this distance.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Talking. They're wild. So they were. They were doing that.

[Cody]

Yeah. So it was kind of that situation. But it was also like super early in the fucking morning. We had like, maybe like a third of the audience was full and third to half. Something like that. And he goes. And I will say he said it in the very. Just the worst way possible because he. He gave him like a vocal intonation, like the tonality implied that you should cheer for this. And he's. Who wants to see impeachment hearings? And then half the crowd goes, woo. And he goes, no, wrong answer. And I'm just in the background like. Like I'm locked in. You can see. You could probably play a clip of it here. Like, it. I had to lock in so hard.

[Brandon Herrera]

How many of you would like to see impeachment hearings?

[Jack Mandeville]

No, that was the wrong answer. You know the Internet probably better than anybody else on that stage. I bet you were like, this is going to be memed.

[Cody]

I literally though, the only thing that went through my head was, well, I'll see you all on Reddit like that. I'll see you in my Twitter feed in 20 minutes. And that's exactly what the fuck happened.

[Eli Double Tap]

But I do love. Brandon knows the Internet. Like, we all know the Internet so well. As soon as he says something on there, he is like, yeah, they're going to clip that out of context just like, like all the shit they did the, like a couple months ago.

[Jack Mandeville]

I think that's why it's good that, you know, under 40 in general should be running the show at this point. Because that, that kind of. That communication is a factor.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, yeah, you, you. Are you saying you don't want someone who's in Congress for 52 years?

[Brandon Herrera]

Are you saying term limits and age requirements?

[Eli Double Tap]

That's preposterous. Someone who doesn't understand what's happening today.

[Cody]

Well, I.

[Jack Mandeville]

Listen, I trust an 85 year old to understand AI.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Somebody who's going to be regulating Bitcoin and AI probably should know what any of those things are.

[Jack Mandeville]

Social media, I don't like. Why can't we just do some more baseball hearings?

[Brandon Herrera]

The Facebook know when I log in

[Eli Double Tap]

what was supposed to be. When can I download?

[Cody]

Yeah, it was the Facebook hearing where I think it was Kennedy was the center. And I actually, for what it's worth, I like him. I think he's funny, but I think he was asking, like, when I use Facebook, does it use my WI fi?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yep.

[Cody]

It's like. And Mark Zuckerberg is just like perplexed, like, trying not to be insulting, but like, if that's what you use to access it. Yes. And he's like, aha.

[Jack Mandeville]

He's like, man, you gotta talk to your interns more.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's not the gotcha.

[Brandon Herrera]

And that, that dude, like Zuckerberg's on the spectrum. So it's like riding. How can you tell, Ryan? Like, of course you log into your WI fi.

[Jack Mandeville]

Are.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're all going to die.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, you're all going to die.

[Cody]

Is that still a tick? Ryden has.

[Brandon Herrera]

He has.

[Cody]

You're all going to die.

[Brandon Herrera]

He doesn't do that. We've worked on that.

[Cody]

That's good.

[Brandon Herrera]

He did so.

[Cody]

Wait, that was my favorite part.

[Eli Double Tap]

What the.

[Jack Mandeville]

Eli, that was a great part. Party trick.

[Brandon Herrera]

I ruined my son. He just. Oh, he says, I'm pissed off.

[Cody]

Oh, okay. Well, that's fair.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's a very normal human emotion.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, it was to wake up and his mom. It caught a mom off guard because she's like, okay, we gotta go to school. He's like, oh, I'm so pissed off. She's like, I want to break my leg. She's like, okay, we gotta go to the doctor. I am going to school. Because it's very literal. There is no. I know this is a joke or anything. It is. That's what's going to happen. So now he was like, oh, I can't break my leg. I hate the doctor way more than, yeah, I'm gonna get this fixed.

[Eli Double Tap]

He's. The million calculation. Calculations are going on where he's like, yeah, I'll go to School.

[Cody]

School Doctor.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, it's the Rain man text coming over the screen just to figure out if he wants go to school. Like he's not even counting cards.

[Cody]

Yeah, the calculations flying by Zach Alina's head.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, how did the rest of the convention. We went last year. We did a actual. Two which shows or one.

[Cody]

I think we did one podcast there. We. We had the option of doing that again this year, but last. Last year, I mean, you could look up the. The CPAC episode from last year. It was just. The audio was so bad and all the interviews that I did on the floor because I was having to like go from interview to interview to interview and like the audio, I just imagine it was just trash because you're on a convention floor, like, it's loud. It's going to be loud no matter what you do.

[Brandon Herrera]

And people stop and just stare and watch. And so it's.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's kind of like convention almost.

[Cody]

Yeah, it is a convention for sure.

[Jack Mandeville]

But you, you have money raising opportunities and stuff like that.

[Cody]

Not even really, to be honest. It's mostly like just doing interviews and it's mostly networking. Got to spend a lot of time with, you know, Ken Paxton, you know, Brandon Gill, a few people like that. It was, it was a good opportunity and there's a lot of. A lot of good folks that I got to connect with. So it was, it was good. I got to hang out with and actually I did an impromptu interview with Dean Cain.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, no shit.

[Jack Mandeville]

Superman. Was he dressed as Superman? Please say yes. I need this so bad right now.

[Cody]

You know what, I'll put it this way. I have no way of knowing if he had the Superman costume on underneath.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's what I wanted to hear.

[Brandon Herrera]

Brandon, what shirt are you wearing?

[Cody]

Well, I'm glad you asked, Eli. I'm wearing my poncho shirt.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's not what a poncho looks like. It looks lightweight and breathable.

[Cody]

It is lightweight and breathable. It's also fantastic for summer because, like said, it does breathe. It's very lightweight and it also offers SPF protection.

[Brandon Herrera]

You mean upf?

[Cody]

That's what I said.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, okay. Bad hearing.

[Cody]

Legitimately on the campaign trail, these ponchos were basically my everyday attire. It's just the perfect mix between looking professional, feeling good, and just being fairly casual.

[Brandon Herrera]

Is that the. The western style? I'm just guessing because the pearls it is.

[Cody]

Once you go pearl snap, you never go back.

[Brandon Herrera]

The best promo for this. They weren't our sponsor. The guys and all of us wore them before.

[Cody]

Oh, we Sought them out as a sponsor. We were already in love with the shirts and we were asking them, money, please.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's the best sell pitch.

[Cody]

It's the best endorsement I can give.

[Brandon Herrera]

So if you're looking for a lightweight, comfortable shirt for the spring or summer, look no further than poncho.

[Cody]

Go to ponchooutdoors.com for $10 off your first order.

[Brandon Herrera]

Ponchooutdoors.com unsub go check it out.

[Cody]

But no, I got to just randomly, like, run into Dean. I'm like, oh, hey, dude, what's up? He's. He's fucking cool. We're trying to convince him to come back down to San Antonio soon.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, yeah, he was. He was a nice guy to have on.

[Cody]

Oh, he's awesome.

[Brandon Herrera]

Be more worried if he had the Superman.

[Cody]

Like, I mean, once you play Superman, you're like one of the only people that are allowed to do that for life.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, there's what, maybe a dozen of them?

[Cody]

If that maybe.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, let's just gaslighting him into fighting Henry Cavill.

[Jack Mandeville]

You know, Cavill is a big dude.

[Cody]

I like Dean, but let's have Dean fight.

[Eli Double Tap]

He's over there right now.

[Brandon Herrera]

Go get him.

[Jack Mandeville]

Cavill's one of those guys too. He had like five older brothers growing up and I think he's from like a shitty part of London.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's the handsome one too.

[Cody]

I really wonder.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah, he got the genetics.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I mean, you gotta be to play Superman.

[Eli Double Tap]

I keep forgetting he's British too. I hear his accent and I'm like, no, but he's American Superman.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, there's so many. It is ironic, though, that the most iconic American ever, they're like, well, that British guy's really big and good looking.

[Eli Double Tap]

He does look like Superman. The original drone Superman, though. That mother can't get away with being this handsome all the time.

[Cody]

I wonder if they have a group chat that like all the living Supermans.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, that would be awesome.

[Eli Double Tap]

Just the soups.

[Jack Mandeville]

Superman and then Batman. They have one for the Batman. But, like, George Clooney is weirdly not invited to it.

[Cody]

Well, because he was the nipples Batman.

[Jack Mandeville]

Right?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Cody]

In the back card, what was this?

[Eli Double Tap]

The weird Keat Michael Key.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, the real Batman.

[Eli Double Tap]

That was. What an odd Batman to have at

[Jack Mandeville]

the time because, yeah, he was mostly known for comedic roles during that time.

[Eli Double Tap]

Comedic roles. And then like, he would do a comedic role and like a serious role and they're like.

[Jack Mandeville]

But not like Batman. He wasn't an action guy. Yeah, well, I. Tim Burton was exactly what that franchise needed to get its wheels going again.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, because they were doing, like, a dark, creepy shit.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Because the last real Batman push was from the Adam West Batman, which.

[Cody]

That was not very cartoon great.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's a classic. But. But they. I think Tim Burton was the right guy to get it. Because after Tim Burton left after the. The second Batman Returns, I believe, then it started getting cartoony again. And then people are like, no, we don't like this Batman. So then they handed it to Nolan and it started getting dark again. Then we got Ben Affleck. Batman got a little cartoony. And then this last Batman that came out in the whole Penguin series, I thought was really well done.

[Cody]

Dude.

[Brandon Herrera]

If you have not watched the Penguin series, it's good. By the way, I mean, dark as fuck.

[Jack Mandeville]

And if you don't know who the. The lead actor, the guy who plays Penguin is.

[Cody]

Colin Farrell, right?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

I didn't know that until, like, an episode in. I was like, what, dude?

[Cody]

Like, they chose, like, an objectively attractive guy to play, like, one of the most grotesque characters.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's how good that guy is.

[Brandon Herrera]

He blends into that role. So, like, we. I watched the movie and that. That's when I read. I was like, who played the Penguin? Colin Farrell was like, get the out

[Jack Mandeville]

of here, by the way. Like, that's why I don't care what world we're living in. That's why that just having an old Hollywood solid makeup artist is gonna make the difference between a meh and a great show or movie. Yeah.

[Cody]

I don't know if he's married, but if he is, you know, his wife has to look at him playing that character. Like, oh, yeah, this is what this is 20 years from now. This is my future.

[Brandon Herrera]

Also, side note, the Keaton Batman, how he turns, like, is. Because his costume couldn't turn. Yeah, it's. Nick was. It was just a mask you put on the shoulder pads.

[Cody]

All connected and it's become a meme. Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Don't they explain that in Christian Bale Batman you can't turn your head because the bulletproofing is too good in the neck or something.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think that's a shout out to that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, that's like a shout out to that one.

[Brandon Herrera]

I. I actually think that's. Yeah, I think Alfred's the one that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Or this was some Morgan Freeman.

[Brandon Herrera]

Morgan Freeman Fox.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, he was the Alfred in the Christopher Nolan ones.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah, he was the Alfred. He was the. He was.

[Cody]

It was Dr. Fox or something.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, if you haven't Watched any new movies? Space movie God.

[Cody]

Hail Mary.

[Eli Double Tap]

Project hair Mary from 1992.

[Jack Mandeville]

Let me guess, this is an A24.

[Cody]

No.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, really?

[Brandon Herrera]

Okay.

[Cody]

Amazon.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, Amazon made it.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Have you watched Project Hail Mary yet?

[Eli Double Tap]

No.

[Brandon Herrera]

Go to the movie theater dog and just.

[Eli Double Tap]

I know.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm actually watching.

[Eli Double Tap]

You and Savvy have been like, you guys were in the text. Like you got excited to watch this brand.

[Cody]

We. We all went to go see it the very first night because it was a.

[Eli Double Tap]

Hates it, by the way.

[Cody]

I don't get it. I don't get the hate.

[Brandon Herrera]

I fucking love that. I read like, even the raves like 90.

[Jack Mandeville]

Is it like based on a true story?

[Brandon Herrera]

No, no, but in Mars or when we went to another galaxy's crazy. True story.

[Eli Double Tap]

But I hope it's not a true

[Cody]

story because that would suck.

[Eli Double Tap]

The allure behind that is like, they didn't use green screens a lot. They use a lot of like, puppetry and like natural effects. Right?

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

All the spaceship is real set.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Dude, that's again. I think we're going back to that more and it's making movies great again. Like.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, well, that was the one that you hated to. The thing when they. When they remade.

[Cody]

Yeah, the. The like prequel to the thing.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yes.

[Cody]

2011. Yeah. Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

When they did the thing back with Kurt Russell, like, he had the Cronenberg creatures that look amazing. And then they did that. I think you were you. One of you guys was telling me about that when they did their most recent thing, they did the animatronics.

[Cody]

You can see the behind the scenes footage where they used like the actual physical practical effects. And the studio's like, it looks too old. Let's replace it all with cgi.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's what happens when you let nerds into the corporate culture. That. That's exactly what happens when you let nerds into corporate culture. They do shit like that.

[Cody]

It's why. So it depends on what kind of nerd.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, you want the nerds that love the nerd.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cody]

Shouts out to the good nerds.

[Eli Double Tap]

They. So the new thing they did, they did the animatronics and they came back and they were like, that doesn't look good. And then they did the CGI bullshit right over it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. They replaced 90% of the practical with CGI. They're like, oh, we want it to look more video. They said video game. Ish.

[Eli Double Tap]

No, make it look like.

[Cody]

Like Jurassic Park.

[Jack Mandeville]

Just do it. How original. Lucas did it 40 years ago. That's cool. Yeah.

[Cody]

Look at the like the thing from the 80s still holds up. Yeah, that movie is gross.

[Brandon Herrera]

So yeah, it's great.

[Eli Double Tap]

Putting the slime on everything, just having them.

[Jack Mandeville]

Like let's, let's even go back a hundred years. Like the movie Hell's Angels that Howard Hughes made. When you look at some of the. Not the aerial combat shots shots that they got that, that was some ballsy camera guys mounted with a camera on the back of a plane doing real dog fight choreography in the air. And then even the indoor shot, that famous shot that opens the movie up where it's pushed. They're all getting drunk in that bar and it's pushing through the bar. This is this phenomenal shot.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like moving shots back in the 30s, 40s, 50s, like they, those did not exist for a reason.

[Jack Mandeville]

They put so much thought into those shots. And when you look at it 100 years later, I'm like, that's better than the majority of shit they're doing today.

[Brandon Herrera]

Have you seen Akira Kurosawa's moving rigs? So he was the Japanese director that made it famous, so you had to share Mifune, like his actors. He's the one that did Seven Samurai, Hidden Fortress. Yeah, he's like the shit Star Wars.

[Jack Mandeville]

He's like the Godfather of Japanese cinema, right? Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I mean, for. If you watched a western, it's based off of his original samurai movies. They just adopted those into Magnificent Seven, Silver Dollar. Like all those came from Akira Kurosawa, old samurai flicks. He built camera rigs at the time you would lock, you would just lock them in. You did not have any moving shots. He was like, no, we're going to change this. And when you see how gigantic the systems were just to move the camera.

[Jack Mandeville]

Big ass sets, bro.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's fucking so cool. Back in the day, that's the shit

[Eli Double Tap]

that Tarantino is obsessed with. With, right?

[Cody]

Yep.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, he loves Akira Kurosawa. Like, I got to find one of those shots.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Again, no amount of computer technology is going to equal the human touch.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Like, and, and again, I'm not afraid of the future because human beings are going to value authenticity.

[Brandon Herrera]

God. These shots, like you look at just a single shot from the 40s and 50s.

[Cody]

That's from the 50s.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wow. Oh, dude, he, he is. Pioneered all of that shit. He was the director that. God, I need to find the actual camera and the, the rig. He did because it is insane. You're looking at like train sets just to move the camera a single. A couple of feet. It was just like a giant train set just to Move a single camera and all.

[Jack Mandeville]

And all those. All those extras, right. That wasn't cgi, so you had to wardrobe those people up. You, like, you had to feed them. But it looked real.

[Cody]

It's kind of like Ten Commandments and all that shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, where they had died.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

And the good news, with him in Japan, there it was. Those extras were probably really cheap because they were probably Koreans. Yeah. Yeah.

[Cody]

Okay. I'm not following.

[Jack Mandeville]

You know, Japanese, they can use Koreans for cheap labor.

[Brandon Herrera]

I'm trying to find a big.

[Cody]

Is that real? Like.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah,

[Brandon Herrera]

that's a smaller one. It used to be a giant rig just to move the camera. It was just unheard of.

[Cody]

It's kind of cool because, like, back then, that's when they were. And we're doing a different. We're doing a similar thing now, but back then, they were pioneering all sorts of camera tricks that weren't invented yet. And they're doing a lot of that now with, like, the integrating AI into what we're doing. And different, like, CGI platforms and whatever. Like, all these different. Like, we're still doing stuff like this. But back then, it was totally uncharted territory. Like, I mean, Walt Disney did a lot of that stuff back in the day.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, yeah. He revolutionized animation. And.

[Cody]

Yeah, there was a. There's. There's a rig that I saw that was really interesting where they're trying to, like, you know, a perspective shot where let's say you've got, like, a house on the hillside and you're zooming in. But if you're punching in on a still frame of house in the countryside with shit in the foreground and background, it's like, how do you do that? Because it just looks like you're zooming in, not actually moving a camera through space. So they'd have panes of glass with different shit on it. So you have the hill, the fence, the house, the background. And then they'd have a camera on top and they'd record it as the camera descends. So you're getting these things moving at different rates. And like, shit like, that's super cool because, like, back in the 40s, like, who the would have thought of that?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, if walking shot will.

[Jack Mandeville]

They wrote the book.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like, the entire building lighted up. They had one take. It was like, you are exiting this and walking with the. Both the militaries fighting in their contrasting colors. You have one fucking shot at it.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, my God. So you have to do all the. Well, I think that's why people really appreciated 1917 because you appreciate the amount of choreography and planning and work for the cast and crew that had to go into pulling that off.

[Brandon Herrera]

Dude. 1917, they did six months or eight months of blocking.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

For shooting. Because it was. Hey, we have to have everything fine tuned because we're shooting at specific times to capture this, and there can be no fuck up. So they need you to do.

[Cody]

What do you mean? Blocking.

[Brandon Herrera]

Blocking. They are rehearsing every shot, every scene.

[Jack Mandeville]

Because not only did the actors have to be on point, more importantly, the camera had to be on point. The camera had to make sure it was getting what it needed. Getting the. The actors where they needed to be.

[Brandon Herrera]

Because it's a giant one shot to. To blend together. So every shot had to end specifically so they could cut into the other shot.

[Jack Mandeville]

It was a 360 degree play.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. And when they. Even when he runs into that one guy during the final charge, that was.

[Jack Mandeville]

That was accident.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yep.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

So in the.

[Cody]

When he was there where they. They topple over and he gets back

[Brandon Herrera]

up, that was an accident.

[Jack Mandeville]

But just like, we're gonna spend a lot of money if we redo this shot. And that looked like that would happen in combat, so we're sticking with it.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was an extra that timed it wrong, running, so he accidentally hit him. All the explosions are going off. All those are practical and they're like, keep going. You have to keep going.

[Cody]

You know, that guy got back to his fucking table, like, I'm gonna get fired.

[Jack Mandeville]

I'm gonna get fired. I'm gonna get fired.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, no.

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[Cody]

Yeah, the shot looks great. I mean, that movie was brilliant.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, but Project Hell Mary. Go enjoy it, Cody. You have to watch it, especially if you can do an imax. I cried multiple times in that. I'm. I was like, oh, this is.

[Cody]

Oh.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh. I don't care if it's a little. The little alien thingy and all the emotions. It's just so well done. And they wrote it with Ryan Gosling.

[Cody]

Yeah. They were like. We approached one actor ever. Like, when we bought the rights to the movie, it was Ryan Gosling for sure. He's literally me that's awesome.

[Brandon Herrera]

And they did you read on how they did the book. That book is written by a scientist. So all. Yeah, that's how they broke down. Even the alien Rocky is broke down on. Oh, this is how he would survive. This is what the planet carbon based.

[Cody]

You know, that whole thing.

[Brandon Herrera]

And oh, how would water be on this planet when it's. And it's near Mercury's level from the Goldilocks zone? It's like it's a planet this close to its star system. Oh, you'd have to have 12 do

[Cody]

that hand gesture again.

[Brandon Herrera]

You'd have to have 12 atmospheres for it to have water. They broke it down to that level. The dude was very autistic on science.

[Cody]

Well, what's crazy though is that Ryan Gosling is able to carry that movie while acting against nothing. 80% of the movie is just Ryan Gosling alone. And he. It does an incredible job. It's basically. It reminds me a lot of just like a family friendly interstellar. Which is kind of crazy because like it's. I didn't. I didn't realize it until after somebody pointed out there's really like no swearing in the movie at all. But it doesn't feel like it's like spoon feeding you like it's a kid's movie.

[Brandon Herrera]

My kiddo loved it. Whenever he was crying too. I was like, yeah, perfect. I was like, he's emotional.

[Cody]

Not riding.

[Brandon Herrera]

No. Ryden would have like, this is boring.

[Eli Double Tap]

He's gonna die in here.

[Brandon Herrera]

Daddy. Why is liquid licking leaking from your face? These are called tears, bud. Did you know one man every hour, every day is diagnosed with testicular cancer in 2026?

[Cody]

Some women.

[Brandon Herrera]

But it's April. You know what that means?

[Cody]

Ball cancer month.

[Jack Mandeville]

Boom.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's why we wanted to take a second and talk about the importance of. Of men health issues and what manscaped actually does to help with that or combat it.

[Cody]

Manscaped is putting their money where their mouth is and donating $50,000 to the testicular Cancer Society to help save lives and promote self checks.

[Brandon Herrera]

I just gave Brandon a check.

[Cody]

Didn't need to use so much tongue though.

[Brandon Herrera]

And Manscaped just dropped a special edition to help support this amazing cause. The TCS Ball Hero Bundle.

[Cody]

That includes the Lawnmower 5.0 Ultra TCS Special Edition Edition and Special Edition TCS Boxers 2.0.

[Brandon Herrera]

Hey, Brandon, check your balls.

[Cody]

In addition to being super comfortable, having these boxers in your wardrobe are just a little extra reminder to routinely check yourself for testicular cancer.

[Brandon Herrera]

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[Cody]

And trust me, if you wanted any skin to be safe, that's. That's a good place to start.

[Brandon Herrera]

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[Cody]

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[Brandon Herrera]

Ant balls.

[Cody]

But hurry. There's a limited supply, so these things aren't going to last very long. So get yours while supplies last.

[Brandon Herrera]

Now to the fun part of the ad where I check Brandon again.

[Eli Double Tap]

I hate that. Apart, I gotta say, since we're talking about, like, we were talking about just the Japanese a little bit or Japanese bros on Twitter. Oh, man, it's kind of cool, so.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, yeah, Japanese Twitter. Go on, Cody.

[Eli Double Tap]

Recently they've. They. They put in something where they're automatically translating Japanese to the United States Twitter. And so it's crossing paths hardcore right now. And Japanese and American Twitter are getting along so well because we didn't know how much Japanese bros love barbecue and muscle cars. They have a chicken culture and they love Texas culture. And, like, we're all just, like, getting along and talking about our cultures with each other. It's fun as.

[Cody]

So there's a. Not to derail too much, but when you. You mentioned that there was a weird period, I think it was during, like the 80s, where the Yugoslavians actually had a huge influx of, like, Mexican culture.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

So they had, like, sombreros and like, like, like Mexican music.

[Jack Mandeville]

Hey, Mexico knows how to export, man.

[Cody]

Yes, they do.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Yes, they sure do.

[Jack Mandeville]

I. I would. Yeah. I went to a Mexican restaurant in Bahrain one time. Yeah, I had the whole island to himself.

[Cody]

But it's just weird. It's like a few years before the Yugoslav civil war.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Just like mariachi music.

[Jack Mandeville]

And they were under the Soviet system at that time. So I was like, hey, no, you can't do, like, American culture. But if you want to sneak in, Mexican culture is. That's. That's its own beast right there.

[Cody]

Yeah, it was just kind of a wild.

[Brandon Herrera]

Have you seen any of it on. Do you go on Twitter much?

[Jack Mandeville]

Yes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Did you get influxed by.

[Jack Mandeville]

I.

[Cody]

That is a Yugoslavia.

[Jack Mandeville]

I have to be aware of what you guys are talking about.

[Cody]

Dude, that's a Yugoslavian, man.

[Brandon Herrera]

What?

[Jack Mandeville]

Hell yeah, dude.

[Cody]

No, it was straight Up.

[Brandon Herrera]

Brown skin or brown face?

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, they're darker complected down there.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's doing brown face, but they are

[Jack Mandeville]

white, so you can make fun of them.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, yeah. He looks Mexican.

[Eli Double Tap]

I'm saying, man, I'm marrying a Mexican girl soon. I could say all I want.

[Brandon Herrera]

I give you.

[Cody]

That's the rule. I think that's how that works, right?

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Huh.

[Brandon Herrera]

You can say too.

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, so here. So, yes, I can make fun of a lot of Latino culture. Latino culture is a little more.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're making it racist. I don't know how, but Latino culture.

[Jack Mandeville]

There's a lot of. There's a lot of whites that are Latino. So, yes, a free game. I get to make fun of the Latino whites. Now there's a lot of Latino blacks. I can't make fun of the Latino blacks like Dominicans, but I can make fun of Argentinas any day. Mexico is more of a diverse place than both those places. Mexico has a lot of Koreans, Indians, Mexico mostly mestizas.

[Cody]

This is getting worse.

[Jack Mandeville]

A lot of. A lot of white people. And their president is Jewish. And I can make fun of them too.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's almost like we have free will and we can make fun of anyone we want.

[Cody]

I just. I want to see this, like, spider webbing tier list of things you can and cannot make fun of in your own eyes.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. No, it's. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Tattoo a spider web on your elbow.

[Cody]

See, I have the card.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I'm allowed to do any. A good chunk of accents out there. Yeah.

[Cody]

But no back. Well, back to the Japanese Twitter thing. I really, like. I knew there was like, a subculture. It's kind of like you have, like, the. While there's a certain level of baseness in, like, South America and stuff like that, but in Japan, they just love, like, American cowboy culture.

[Eli Double Tap]

I know that because it just started about a week ago, and I'm getting flood with. Flooded with it. And they. They love, like, Texas culture. They love American muscle cars.

[Cody]

Because again, in our friend group, you were the one who brought it to our attention. You're like, hey, guys, The. The Japanese are based as this one.

[Brandon Herrera]

I. I think I told you, Cody, you sent me that one video that popped up in my feed. I was like, yeah, I seen that today. What the going on? And then we talked about that day. I woke up the next day, and my entire feed was just kanji.

[Eli Double Tap]

Because I. I sent one of the tweets to you, and I was like, eli, just like this tweet and watch what happens. And it's it's all just like. Japanese people are like, wait, you guys like us? It's like, yeah, you guys are fucking awesome.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. I don't think you understand. We get tattoos of your. Of your pop culture all over our bodies. They're like, you.

[Eli Double Tap]

You guys just grill meat all the time. Like, yeah, dude.

[Cody]

It's like the Predator handshake thing. It's like anime bros.

[Brandon Herrera]

Cowboy bros. So many good.

[Cody]

Hawaii. You son of a bitch.

[Brandon Herrera]

I think that was one. Yep. Literally.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, yeah.

[Cody]

Wow. I've made that up. Send that to Chase.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's my favorite person. I was like, holy shit. My entire feed is now. Japanese people, like, everyone's just bonding. As you're saying. Everyone is just like, oh, we have so much in common. Holy shit. Yeah, y'.

[Cody]

All.

[Brandon Herrera]

I was worried at first. I thought you'd be racist and, like, these people are awesome.

[Jack Mandeville]

Do you know the story about how our. That the entire American Japanese relationship started

[Brandon Herrera]

World War II?

[Jack Mandeville]

No, no, no, no. This goes back.

[Cody]

He's talking about first contact.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, first contact. Commodore Matthew Perry. At this point, America was in its early. Its infancy of its imperial ambitions. Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Tom Cruise, they made a movie about him, the Last.

[Jack Mandeville]

The Last Samurai, that was based on a French guy. They Hollywood that a lot. I know there's a French officer that they basically copied and pasted and made it American.

[Brandon Herrera]

No, you fought in Civil War?

[Jack Mandeville]

No, in this Satsuma rebellion. He was there basically with the samurai. Yeah, he was like the original Weeb. Yeah.

[Cody]

Anyways, basically just Avatar with extra steps. Yeah, yeah, Historic Avatar.

[Eli Double Tap]

He fought Godzilla.

[Cody]

Yes.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Probably we. He. No. Anyways, we made contact in the. I think it was 1858. Commodore Matthew Perry. We bullied our way because we want to trade with Japan, and we bullet our way into it. And then it started happening. The Japanese were like, cool, we're doing this now. Well, in 1860, roughly a year before the American Civil War started, a delegate. Because at that point, the samurai, their rights were starting to be stripped in. The transition out of samurai was beginning to happen. But they were still very much revered as diplomats in Japanese society. So in 1860, a year before the American Civil War, over 70 samurai showed up to Washington, D.C. and spent, like, months in D.C. basically being the bells of the ball. Like, it was like, wait, is it

[Brandon Herrera]

there a photo of this?

[Jack Mandeville]

Yes, yes. It was like the first. I know K pop's Korean, but it was the first ever K Pop mania that happened. American women went nuts. There was this one samurai. He was one of the only interpreters. His name Was Tommy. He was 17 years old. Like, American women were like throwing themselves at him.

[Cody]

It was like, God, imagine their disappointment.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Over 70 samurai, 1860s, were in D.C. for months just hanging out with the President.

[Brandon Herrera]

They presented his famous photo.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

What year?

[Jack Mandeville]

1860. And then, of course, our Civil War happened. And there was only three years after the American Civil War where the. The Meiji restoration started. And it was pretty much the beginning of the end. They had like a decade left before it was all over.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's crazy when you read about that phasing out the samurai and then how it took effect.

[Jack Mandeville]

It needed to happen. I know it's easy to romanticize a samurai, but they were stopping Japan from becoming the economic powerhouse that it did.

[Brandon Herrera]

What a culture. That themselves for honor was stopping. We talked about this the other day. Who was the guy that came up with that idea, then passed it down. So everyone followed suit. This is honor.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

If you're losing a battle just like. And then cut your head off and then all your constituents also have to do the same thing.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Wild mindset.

[Jack Mandeville]

They were, in a lot of ways at their peak. They were like, they were mobsters in a lot of ways that controlled the government. And it was a good thing that, you know, they transitioned in more. But I mean, Emperor Meiji, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude. I think Japan's one of the best countries at gifting stuff.

[Cody]

Well, they have such a long lasting culture. It's like people. People forget how. How young the United States is.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

On the world.

[Jack Mandeville]

We're still discovering ourselves. Like we're in our teenage years. We're hitting puberty right now.

[Brandon Herrera]

Be proud of yourself, huh? Look where you ranked on that, would you?

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

There you go. What the hell?

[Brandon Herrera]

I know that dude.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cody]

Wait a minute. Is that you as the samurai?

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

That's a great thumbnail.

[Jack Mandeville]

Whatever the theme is. Dave puts me into the. So like. And I was like, is that cultural appropriation if I do samurai stuff only.

[Cody]

Only if he gave you yellow face.

[Jack Mandeville]

Exactly.

[Cody]

Yeah. That would be probably where the line gets gone.

[Brandon Herrera]

But war tools, the eyes.

[Jack Mandeville]

Right.

[Brandon Herrera]

Just warped.

[Jack Mandeville]

It was like, bro, I got really hard into Polynesian culture, cultural history. And I did an episode where he decked me out. And Paul, I look like he decked me out in apology. I'm like, I'm gonna take shit for this. And Polynesians were down. They were so cool. In the comments section.

[Cody]

See that? That's what I find is that most people are like. If you're talking about their Culture where they're not used to, like, getting the limelight like that. They're just enthusiastic that you're sharing their culture.

[Jack Mandeville]

And Polynesians are arguably the greatest seafaring people in the history of the world.

[Cody]

The only people that get upset are liberal white women.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yes.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Cody]

Yeah. They've taken it upon themselves it is the albatross around their neck to be offended on behalf of every other culture they've never had an interaction with.

[Jack Mandeville]

Right. Yeah. It's like, yeah, I'm a white woman from Madison, Wisconsin. Like, big Polynesian population there, huh? Nope, never met one. It's like, you gotta go to Utah.

[Cody]

Wait, is there actually, like, a big.

[Brandon Herrera]

Huge.

[Cody]

In Utah?

[Jack Mandeville]

The Mormons.

[Brandon Herrera]

The. What's the island place?

[Jack Mandeville]

The food. Oh. Oh, it's right on the tip of my tongue. I love that place so much. Yeah, there's a lot of great Polynesian.

[Brandon Herrera]

This Polynesia place. It is. We would go there all the time,

[Jack Mandeville]

order it every time I'm there.

[Brandon Herrera]

Oh, they just have a bed of white rice and chicken to put on top.

[Jack Mandeville]

Good.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's it.

[Jack Mandeville]

Polynesian food is so simple and so perfect.

[Brandon Herrera]

What was the name of that? We would go all the time out in Utah.

[Jack Mandeville]

I. I know exactly what place you're talking about. Asian, bro.

[Brandon Herrera]

When we go to Utah, if we ever go, it is a chain restaurant.

[Jack Mandeville]

No Mo Betta.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, It's Mobet.

[Jack Mandeville]

Mobetas.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, it's Mobera.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's so good, dude. Yeah. Polynesians get it.

[Cody]

I'm assuming Salt Lake.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. So the Mormons went hard at missions in Polynesia, and so.

[Cody]

That's right.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

I've always joked that Mormons need to be the lead. They need to head every sales team for every corporation. Because if you can convince Polynesians to leave paradise for Salt Lake City, you know how to sell some shit.

[Brandon Herrera]

It was a giant bed of rice and then three chicken breasts for 8 to 12 bucks.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

I'm sure it's chicken. Dear Lord.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

I forgot about that place.

[Jack Mandeville]

You'll be in a suburb in. In Salt Lake there. Like, this guy's got, like, us. He's got a sliver of an acre in his backyard, and there's full on chicken raisin going on in those backyards dirt cheap.

[Cody]

I was like, the gang does a pilgrimage to Salt Lake, dude.

[Jack Mandeville]

Every time I've gone up there for work, I do what I got to do for work. Work straight to the hotel room. Uber eats Mo Betas eat moettas till I just pass out on a queen Size hotel bed and you go back.

[Brandon Herrera]

I haven't been in a while.

[Jack Mandeville]

Like I do. I'm intrigued by Mormon history too. It's. It. If you, if you took all every, all the theological elements out of Mormon history and you made a, like a, A miniseries about what's the miniseries they

[Brandon Herrera]

just did that they did not like Prime.

[Jack Mandeville]

Prime. I think.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Cody]

I still have yet to see that.

[Brandon Herrera]

Have you guys watched it is heartbreak.

[Cody]

Every time. Every time it's brought up. Every time it's brought up, the Mormons get very mad.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, hey, look, some things did happen and it's documented. It wasn't good to be not Mormon in that area for a certain period they'd be doing.

[Cody]

No, no, I haven't seen it yet.

[Jack Mandeville]

I haven't seen it.

[Brandon Herrera]

That is. I'm trying to come. It is. It's not a happy series because we're

[Jack Mandeville]

used to westerns being John Wayne on Main street, cleaning up the crud. It's like the Wild west was a horrific place to live.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. If you think was it 18 7, 1890? What was the cowboy going west?

[Jack Mandeville]

Wait, what? Post civil War, like the time frame, the show.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's an actual show with like me and the one.

[Cody]

So it is Taylor Sheridan show. Yeah. Like the Yellowstone spin off.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's a very positive version of Primeval. Primeval is depressing as.

[Cody]

I mean that show wasn't exactly, you know, that's.

[Brandon Herrera]

And I know and that is a very positive experience.

[Cody]

It's a very like soap opera take on like, like going to, you know, heading west.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Primevals just.

[Jack Mandeville]

But I appreciate anything that shows that our, our rose colored lens view of history. Like all the. We are living in a much better world that that exists than existed 100, 200 years ago.

[Cody]

Oh, you gotta love these little kids online on again on Reddit that are just like, oh my God, everything's. Everybody's terrible. Oh my God. Like from their air conditioned house where they just ordered door dash.

[Brandon Herrera]

Like communism would be so awesome right now.

[Cody]

Are you kidding me? Like, do you have any idea what your forefathers, your genetic ancestors did Diarrhea

[Jack Mandeville]

used to kill our freaking Diarrhea used to be a real concern all the time. Yeah. It used to kill people.

[Brandon Herrera]

I would die. So all we have to do now is go. All we have to do now.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's happening again.

[Cody]

Eli's just out back. Like slit cut in the hammock, dude.

[Jack Mandeville]

Nowadays it's like, I'll just go get some Gatorade. I'm gonna live through this.

[Brandon Herrera]

My weak ass stomach. I can't make it. Yeah. Primeval is fine.

[Cody]

Eli, I brought you some bread.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, no, dude.

[Brandon Herrera]

It would have sucked so bad. I would never want to go back in the time people romanticize. It's like, I just wish I was born in the medieval times.

[Jack Mandeville]

I was like, no, no, you don't.

[Brandon Herrera]

No ice, running water. Everything stunk.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, dude, you got in the common cold.

[Cody]

Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

You get a fucking cut on your hand. There's no Neosporin.

[Brandon Herrera]

You're having children at masses. To hope one survives to adulthood.

[Jack Mandeville]

To pass on genes and let's talk about the smell down there.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

You think men these days enjoy pleasing their ladies? That was not a thing back then. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Everyone was black back in the day.

[Eli Double Tap]

I know. Even Professor Snape.

[Jack Mandeville]

I get it.

[Brandon Herrera]

The new professor's name's Black.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, he is. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Harry Potter. You didn't know that?

[Jack Mandeville]

I never really got into the Harry Potter stuff.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah. New Harry Potter. It's the new series they're doing is Professor Snape. And people are like, that's a weird character to do. Black. Because he has an entire arc of when he's bullied, like, for being what, too white? Well, he's bullied because of everything else. And I think they hung him from a tree or did something with a tree.

[Eli Double Tap]

They hung him upside down on a tree. Yeah. Made fun of him.

[Brandon Herrera]

And now they're like, how do you do that on the yeah. Show without this?

[Jack Mandeville]

I thought we cut that out back in the 60s, bud.

[Eli Double Tap]

I think the whole thing was in the book. He's like, pale complexion, just like.

[Jack Mandeville]

And J.K. rowling is like, I don't care. I'm getting paid.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, well, the one. The one professor everyone hates, everyone's like, oh, so you're gonna make him a blank guy.

[Cody]

Okay.

[Brandon Herrera]

That was the biggest thing. Like, we don't care. It's just, how do you do this character justice for what he was without now it being racist?

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

So that's the biggest worry.

[Jack Mandeville]

And then also, is it a British production?

[Brandon Herrera]

I don't.

[Jack Mandeville]

They have a different relationship with that stuff.

[Eli Double Tap]

But it's just the funny part is like, harry, why don't you trust Snape anymore? Harry, why do you think Snape is the bad guy? Just because he's a bad guy. Are there any other reasons

[Brandon Herrera]

that went through too much? Like, oh, oh, but they're trying to do that to Lord of the Rings.

[Eli Double Tap]

Didn't they do that with that?

[Brandon Herrera]

No, they actually want to redo. That was the IGN tweet. And other tweets going along with it was we should stop holding on to what Lord of the Rings is and recast it and have fun with it.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, they got Colbert.

[Brandon Herrera]

This is the original series. They want to change up. This is. We want to take the story of the Lord of the Rings. I don't know why nerds are so bound to it. We should be able to change how that narrative goes in our.

[Jack Mandeville]

What do you mean nerds are bound to it? It was a complete commercially successful mega house. Music, everybody or movie. Everybody liked it. Nerds didn't own that.

[Eli Double Tap]

No. It was one of the best pieces of cinema ever fucking made.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

And writing people, the story did really good for a long time. I'm not a personal. I don't like how he writes because it's very slow. But still a fantastic series.

[Jack Mandeville]

You know who I did a scene with one time who was in Lord of the Rings and he's genuinely one of the nicest guys on the planet. Sean Astin is genuinely. He's Bob in real life. That character he played on Stranger Things, that's him in real life. He's Bob. Oh, he is just a. Just. He's a nice guy.

[Brandon Herrera]

He's. I've heard he is super kind.

[Jack Mandeville]

He. It's genuine.

[Eli Double Tap]

God, Sean Aston was in that.

[Cody]

Yeah, he got done dirty for like.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, 50 seconds maybe. Yeah. And it was a whole day with him though. And he was.

[Cody]

What did you do with Bob, Sean?

[Jack Mandeville]

He played like a pilot. But we were stuck alone in this helicopter for an entire day, you know, waiting for them to break down and change angles.

[Cody]

So what was it in?

[Brandon Herrera]

It was range 15.

[Jack Mandeville]

In range 15, yeah.

[Cody]

I've yet to hear about this. What is this, what is this film you're.

[Jack Mandeville]

You're referring to? Oh, it's a flick. We did 10 years coming up on its 10 year anniversary. Yeah, we made a movie, man.

[Cody]

Are you gonna do like a 10 year anniversary tour?

[Jack Mandeville]

I don't know. I think everyone.

[Brandon Herrera]

You thought about it?

[Jack Mandeville]

Well, I don't know. Nobody makes DVDs anymore. How do you do you. How do you do like a. How do you do like a.

[Brandon Herrera]

You should reach out to the original team and do a push theatrical re release.

[Jack Mandeville]

I was the low man on the totem pole there. They can take that up with themselves.

[Brandon Herrera]

You get started.

[Cody]

I love every. Everybody involved in that project. That was the one thing where I torrented that film.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, so you stole from me.

[Cody]

I did. And after I was done, I still wanted my money back.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, well, you know you see Pirate Bay? I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna tell you something. A lot of people like that. I'll be honest with you. A lot of people like that movie. And I'll tell you what, after going through the experience of making a movie, I will never on anybody else's movie ever again. Because the fact that they got that to the. The fact that anyone, whether it's big budget or low budget, can get a movie to the finish line is a miracle.

[Cody]

I can only imagine. Yeah, like, the amount of bullshit you guys had to do to get that. That movie done.

[Jack Mandeville]

Just. Yeah. It's any movie, even if You've got a $15,000 budget in your doing it, you know, every weekend for, you know, six months, it's just. It's a lot of work. Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Don't film in la.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, it definitely wasn't going to win in an academy, that's for sure. Or be nominated or even be seen by anybody in sag. So.

[Cody]

Yeah, the Film Actors Guild.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

Never film in la. I think they learned that.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, my God. Yeah, we could have done Wave. Yeah. Everyone was still desperate to do it in la. It's like, we don't need to do this here. We'll get tax breaks if we do it in any other state and save

[Brandon Herrera]

lots of money on.

[Cody]

I could have done it 10, 10 minutes down the road and probably spent half the budget.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, yeah, that. And again, lessons learned to this day. To this day, 10 years later, when I'm running projects, I. There's lessons learned that I carry with me to this day. And there it was the. It was the weird. It wasn't a natural way to be thrown into making a movie. Usually you work your way into that and they're like. And, you know, I was one of the top six cast or whatever. And that's not a normal way to. Yeah, that's not a normal way. So. Got to learn a lot of hard lessons.

[Cody]

Were you involved in the production at all or just, like, you just acting in it?

[Jack Mandeville]

I was a producer, but I was like, there was maybe five of us who were executives, producers, and I was like, at the low end. No one ever listened to what I had to say. And I didn't bother chiming in.

[Brandon Herrera]

You did a good job. I will say you were one of my favorite actors to work with because you take direction so good one time and you're like, okay, I need to do it this way.

[Jack Mandeville]

You know what I think it is? And whenever I work with Actors, my favorite ones, it's because they had normal jobs. It's somebody that had a normal job at one point. You're used to being told what to do. And I think a lot of young actors, you know, if you're Sean Astin, you can have leverage. Right. You're an established guy. But young actors try to discuss too much what their character is going to be and like, just do what the director tells you to. Because I had, I worked in the oil field, I was a delivery driver. I had a boss that would say horrible things to me if I tried to give him pushback. So you just do what you're told and get your check. Yeah.

[Cody]

Do they really try to push back? Like, I'm actually feeling like my character was.

[Eli Double Tap]

Would do this.

[Cody]

Really? Are you fucking kidding me?

[Jack Mandeville]

Whoa.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is a nightmare in la.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. But I get it if you're like.

[Cody]

It's like, dude, you're one bad conversation away from going back to be a busboy.

[Jack Mandeville]

Listen, that's it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Non talking extras will try to weigh in on what their character needs to do and their background for their character.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah, like you don't even get to talk to the director. That's the fucking. That's a second AD who's running point on you now. Yeah, they're. I think in my. I've seen young actors who are a little too ballsy with wanting and if it's an indie film, sure, you, that's a different vibe. You can. You have a different relationship with the director. But if it's like a bigger movie or show or whatever, I'm like, oh no, that's the boss. And you are an entry level employee, by the way, on sets, actors are the. Unless you're like a gigantic name. Actors are the, like the bottom of the barrel. There are way more people on set getting paid more than actors because their jobs are more important. Lighting people. Frickin sound people, dude. I worked one of the productions, I did the Shop, which is my favorite thing I've ever been involved with. The DP was 60% of the budget and well worth it because he was so good at his job and literally made the show what it was.

[Brandon Herrera]

They know their shit. But you will have the flip side where it is. I think Brad Pitt talked about it where his first role as an extra and he's trying to get a speaking role in order to get his SAG card. He leaned in, said, what will you be drinking, director? And everyone called cut. They're like, what the are you doing? Rapid was like, that I was just trying to get my SAG card, though, because you have to do a single speaking role in order to get it. And what they will do if you're doing a Hollywood shoot that is SAC qualified or whatever you call that, even where they're having a crowd cheer and yell stuff, they're like, don't say anything. Just go.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

They will not allow them to talk. So they cannot. They don't have to pay that extra fee for them to.

[Cody]

That. And I imagine it's easier just to like, fill in artificial crowd noise than just, like, whatever. The random whooping and hollering.

[Jack Mandeville]

Every bar scene you've ever seen, it's literally. And when you watch the movie. Noise and glasses clinking in the background.

[Brandon Herrera]

Music.

[Jack Mandeville]

That's all put in in post. Yeah. Music. It's literally the only people making any noise are whatever actors are talking to each other.

[Brandon Herrera]

When you cut that out and you actually are on set and you have, like, a bar scene with music and clinking and talking.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's all done in post.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's the most silent thing in the world.

[Cody]

It's gotta be, like, kind of uncanny, I would think, like, while you're filming it.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's weird. It's like, action. Everything is silent other than the two actors delivering their lines in that scene. That is it. You are not making a peep outside of that.

[Eli Double Tap]

Do you guys know if McConaughey's thing went anywhere? He was trying to do the. The Texas, like. I don't want to call it the Texas Film Initiative or something that he was trying to do a couple years ago.

[Cody]

They were trying to do, like, tax incentives.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah. Like, get more people out to, like.

[Jack Mandeville]

It was like, all the big names that are from Texas had a whole coalition going on. Right? Yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Did that go anywhere? They were trying to get people from Los Angeles out to Texas because, of course, tax. Of course that. But, like, then do you know. Do you know if that ever. They did the.

[Cody]

The one. Because we're rewatching the first season of True Detective because they.

[Brandon Herrera]

They.

[Cody]

They did the. The ad. It was him and Woody Harrelson. I think they're both. I don't know. Is Woody Harrelson from Texas, too?

[Brandon Herrera]

That one?

[Jack Mandeville]

I'm not sure he has. He's like. Yes. He's like half Ohio, half Texan. Yeah.

[Cody]

So. Yeah. Matthew McConaughey successfully lobbied Texas lawmakers to pass Senate Bill 22, injecting 300 million every two years for a total of 1.5 billion over a decade into the Texas moving Image Industry Incentive Program. This initiative aims to compete with Georgia and New Mexico by boosting grants to 25% for qualified productions.

[Brandon Herrera]

Damn.

[Eli Double Tap]

I mean, I don't know if that ever went anywhere.

[Cody]

Well, no, they successfully lobbied it.

[Brandon Herrera]

Now you're doing taxes on it, so that's.

[Cody]

Yeah, now we're paying taxes on making sure that Taylor Sheridan is successful.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is. Oh, let's get people to film out here. So you get tax breaks.

[Jack Mandeville]

It's good for economies.

[Cody]

Yeah, that's what he was saying, is that they stated that every dollar of the incentive the way that they had planned it out puts $4 back into the Texas economy.

[Jack Mandeville]

Yeah. And you know what? Massachusetts, because there's a lot of movies made about. And in Massachusetts, because of the Wahlbergs and the. But Massachusetts does a good job that if they're filming a movie there, you have to hire a certain percentage of local actors. You can't import your people from wherever. Like, you have to hire local for a certain percentage of crew and cast.

[Eli Double Tap]

Oh, shit. Yeah.

[Cody]

Well, well, well. I wonder if that's in this bill as well.

[Brandon Herrera]

Yeah, guarantee it.

[Cody]

You want to get shot on a Taylor Sheridan production?

[Eli Double Tap]

Fuck, yeah, dude. I've been trying to get shot on a Taylor Sheridan Sheridan production for years now.

[Cody]

It's that or a Jack Carr.

[Eli Double Tap]

Yeah, Jack Carr. Our Taylor Sheridan.

[Cody]

I just want to get shot by Chris Pratt or. Yeah, yeah.

[Eli Double Tap]

Can we be bad guy number 1, 2, 3, 4, right here. Just kill us, Jack.

[Brandon Herrera]

Where do the amazing people find you?

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, I have a history show. It's called Jacked History. That's J, A, C, K E, D, H I, S, T O R, Y. You can also find me driving around town in my Volvo. Was this a new tradition on the show?

[Brandon Herrera]

No, we just started it.

[Jack Mandeville]

I mean, I. It's been over a year since I've done the show. I don't. I don't know what kind of weird inside things you guys been doing since.

[Cody]

Jack, honestly, it's always a pleasure to have you on, man.

[Eli Double Tap]

It's good for you to be here.

[Cody]

But, dude, we don't. We don't get to see you often enough. So it's always a pleasure because I'm

[Jack Mandeville]

either on the road or I'm held up in the compound. Yeah.

[Cody]

Against your will.

[Jack Mandeville]

Thank you for inviting me out to lunch today, because I don't remember the last time I just went to lunch during the day, and I needed that, so thank you.

[Cody]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Brandon Herrera]

Thank you.

[Cody]

No, dude, you know you're always welcome.

[Jack Mandeville]

I know, I know. I I'm from Minnesota. I have a hard time reaching out to people and initiating social interaction. I gotta get over it. Cause I'm 42 and I'll be dead within 20 years.

[Brandon Herrera]

Cody, close this out.

[Eli Double Tap]

Bye everyone. Thank you for joining the unsubscribed podcast. Today I was joined by Eli Double Tap, our friend Jack Mandeville, Brandon Herrera, myself, donut operator. We love you.

[Brandon Herrera]

Kisses. Bye. Bye, Jack.

[Jack Mandeville]

Oh, I'm gonna go have a cigarette. Thanks for watching y'. All and thanks for having me. Friends, we love you.

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