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Tony Moon
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Connor
can I make that my ringtone?
Tony Moon
Donk Dong. If you don't defend your own family and your neighborhood, who's gonna do it? The cops? I mean, no offense, but the cops. The cops aren't gonna do it.
Connor
You're not gonna tell me that's the better option of the two? I'm sorry. Go yourself, Nick.
Brandon Herrera
Hangy.
Tony Moon
Well, we still call them here, right? But in Korea, they call it ba ging.
Brandon Herrera
When you say it in Korean, it does sound like a slur.
Talent Operator
It's the most racist shit the po's like, you should do this in an Asian accent.
Brandon Herrera
The beginning of every chapter is a gong.
Talent Operator
Say hi to Eli. He's racially ambiguous.
Tony Moon
Brandon.
Talent Operator
His hair is fucking fabulous. Donut.
Connor
A dog.
Tony Moon
Joke disposition. And there's a fat electrician.
Brandon Herrera
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Talent Operator
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Connor
You're good at math. That's important.
Talent Operator
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Connor
Yeah, I like fallout stuff.
Brandon Herrera
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Connor
If you'd like to show off patriotism and the Second Amendment. It comes without sleeves because of course it does. It's almost like the guy that owns a company doesn't fucking like sleeves.
Brandon Herrera
Holy crap.
Eli Doubletap
We have all these awesome shirts, but
Brandon Herrera
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Connor
Autism roadie. Camo kind of goes hard.
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Brandon Herrera
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Tony Moon
Yes.
Talent Operator
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Connor
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Brandon Herrera
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Talent Operator
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Connor
Goodbye.
Talent Operator
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Tony Moon
Okay?
Connor
Hold on account of three.
Talent Operator
Yep, you're gonna hold it right by the mic. Three, two, one.
Connor
It's okay. I've never seen this show either.
Talent Operator
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Eli Doubletap
Hi, everyone. Welcome to the unsubscribed podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Double tap fat electrician, our resident roof Korean, Tony Moon, Brandon Herrera, myself, donut operator. Thank you so much for being here.
Talent Operator
What's up, my man?
Connor
Where's the water bottle? Oh, I saw it at the range.
Tony Moon
It's in this trunk.
Connor
Weaponized. I got a closer look at it. Is it beautiful?
Tony Moon
Is it the water bottle?
Connor
No, no, it's not the one.
Tony Moon
LAPD confiscated that one.
Talent Operator
Oh, damn it.
Connor
It's one of my favorite videos ever.
Brandon Herrera
I was just telling him that at lunch. Like, man, that I. I watched the video at first, like, oh, damn, that guy got fucked up. And then I watched it again, like, is that Tony?
Talent Operator
Okay, I need to.
Connor
He's got like a full on, like rope flail handle. Like, this thing's a weapon.
Tony Moon
It's just a handle. It's just a handle?
Connor
Yeah, it's just a handle. It's just an 8 inch handle.
Tony Moon
I hydrate myself with that.
Connor
Adds a lot of acceleration.
Talent Operator
What is this video about? I'm. I'm at a loss now.
Brandon Herrera
Well, we have to. We have to play.
Connor
We have to show it on cast.
Talent Operator
We will bring it up. Tony, tell the people who you are. They're like, who's the random age?
Tony Moon
While he's looking. While he's looking for. So what happened was it was at a protest. It was in la. It was a place called WI Spa, which. It's a Korean owned spa. And they were actually. They were letting men into the women's section. And there was a video of a woman who was livid that her two daughters were in. You know, there and there was a full grown man that was there just naked, walking around. So from that video there was a protest that was planned, but then the opposition got word of the protest. So they bust in like two busloads, like 150 guys. 150 Antifa Black Block antifa to this event. So There was like four corners of the block with 30 on each block. And I was there and I was basically just gonna go there just to kind of scope things out. And then I saw a woman wearing a shirt. It was a fluorescent yellow shirt, says Jesus saves. And she was talking to the police with a couple other guys. So it's one of the few moments where I felt God speaking to my heart. So I pulled over because I. I was going to take off. There's like a whole bunch of guys, I'm not one. Didn't want to get in the mix, but pulled over and then I started having conversation with them and surprisingly they were evangelizing or you know, to these guys, the antifa guys, you know, and you can't do that to the mob because they don't listen. So they were going to go back cuz they were assaulted the first time. So they were going back the second time and then I was following them back the second time when I got interrupted. And that's where the video stuff happened.
Connor
This is where this happens.
Tony Moon
Oh, that's my favorite part. Ponytail, get the on.
Brandon Herrera
You got the audible bong. I heard that from him.
Eli Doubletap
All right.
Brandon Herrera
Can I see that again? Cuz it's been too long.
Tony Moon
Piece of.
Talent Operator
There's a two, two, two piece
Brandon Herrera
dude just ran away. God.
Connor
Can I make that my ringtone?
Brandon Herrera
It's like where they do the.
Tony Moon
They turn that into a meme, you know that all our times have come. You know that one? Oh yep. Yeah. Don't Fear the reaper. Yeah, the beginning.
Brandon Herrera
The cowbell.
Tony Moon
Yeah, the cow.
Talent Operator
That's good. So what happened? Any trouble after you dong the dude? Did he run away?
Brandon Herrera
Well actually, let's not say dongd the dude. That's a little.
Talent Operator
It asserts dominance.
Brandon Herrera
Alexander the Great surely thought so.
Connor
Hear me out. Branded water bottles that say hydrate and die.
Tony Moon
Yeah, maybe.
Brandon Herrera
There you go.
Tony Moon
Yeah, that's a new business.
Connor
Hydrating. Tbi.
Brandon Herrera
Oh God.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Self defense hydro flask.
Talent Operator
It's perfect. Did the police show up or did.
Tony Moon
Yeah, actually they walked me away and then. Yeah, but they were cool.
Connor
They're just like. Yep, you're allowed to do that.
Tony Moon
Well, they were actually 15ft away. So they're watching everything that's going on And I've had enough experience with law enforcement, so I know kind of where I can. What I can do and what I can't do.
Talent Operator
Be a dick to them.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
Really?
Tony Moon
No, I. I like. I like cops. I mean, I think they do a lot, so.
Talent Operator
Oh, it's a running. You know, Cody loves we all,
Eli Doubletap
man. Acab. You know what I'm saying, guys?
Tony Moon
Oh, acab. Yeah. Okay.
Talent Operator
Now you.
Brandon Herrera
Do you know about Cody's background?
Tony Moon
Yeah, I do.
Brandon Herrera
Okay.
Tony Moon
Okay.
Talent Operator
That's what I was wondering, on whose content you've kind of watched because you were thrown into the Unsub mix from other. From your handler.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
And your team for the book you're releasing. And then we're just figuring it out all today.
Connor
Yeah, man, I thought all you guys just said slurs on Twitter.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah. Oh, you guys have.
Connor
I didn't know you had YouTube channels.
Brandon Herrera
You guys have careers.
Connor
I'm here for a podcast.
Brandon Herrera
I think it was. It was like, maybe a year ago or so, something like that. We were in some sort of engagement in Twitter, on Twitter, and I, you know, set through something out there. Or like, maybe it was. It was either you or me. I don't remember. But then you replied, like, talking about, like, oh, we'd love to have you down in San Antonio. Something like that.
Tony Moon
Yeah, absolutely.
Brandon Herrera
I'm like, oh, roof Koreans on the table. I never would have figured that. But all right.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Connor
Yeah.
Tony Moon
I was. So it was weird because, like, the publisher is telling me, okay, you can't really talk about the book too much. Not yet. And I was like, okay, I'm not gonna do any podcasts. And then come January, they're like, you
Connor
got to get out there and start
Tony Moon
talking about the book. I was like, okay. So it's like, stop, but hurry up. You know, it's like, do both. Yeah, do both. I was like, okay. So, yeah, I was looking forward to the pod, and then we were out in Staccata together. Yeah. This year. That was really cool.
Brandon Herrera
Range day.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Yeah. I had a really good time. My kids had a good time.
Brandon Herrera
That's awesome. You brought your.
Eli Doubletap
Your.
Brandon Herrera
Your kids. Yeah.
Tony Moon
I didn't know what range day meant, so I brought the shotgun that I took out that week. Yeah, you know when. When someone says range day, I mean, I'm bringing my guns, I'm shoot. But I know it was all provided for, so I was like, okay.
Brandon Herrera
So there were some pretty cool toys out there.
Tony Moon
There were. There's some really. The 50 cal. That was cool.
Talent Operator
Did you shoot the AK50 or which one? I shot the 50 cal Ma Deuce.
Brandon Herrera
Oh, yeah.
Talent Operator
Full auto.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Tony Moon
And then my son did, too. So he had a good time to
Brandon Herrera
get you on the. The AK50 next year.
Tony Moon
Okay.
Talent Operator
Yeah, it'll be a good time. So what do you want to explain to the audience what kind of got you known around the 2? A community, and, I mean, America in general.
Brandon Herrera
What does it. Why does everyone know what a roof Korean is?
Talent Operator
Who is the moon Korean?
Tony Moon
So. So I didn't know what a roof Korean was up until 21, I'll be honest. Really? Yeah. I didn't know what that was. I mean, I. So up until 2021, I mean, I was just regular Joe. I didn't know in my family, didn't know about my background in terms of what I did in the riots. And that was just kind of part of the past, and I think would help me kind of be more, you know. You know, talk about. This was Covid in la. We had Covid restrictions that were way beyond what I came to Texas in 2021, to Austin. And then there's a huge difference between the restrictions that we had in California than you guys had in Texas. So that's kind of what helped trigger me, in a sense, you know, I want to live a normal life and just quietly. But that. And the elections. I think the 2020 election results really, you know, pushed me over. I'm a math guy. I do mortgages for. That's kind of like what I do. Right. And then I don't. I've done other things, too, but I read numbers, and the numbers.
Connor
Property value.
Tony Moon
Yeah, numbers just didn't work.
Talent Operator
You do numbers? What?
Tony Moon
Yeah, I know. I'm kind of the weird Asian that does numbers.
Brandon Herrera
Common loot. Yeah.
Tony Moon
So anyway, I created the account, and I started tweeting about businesses that were being shut down during COVID the restrictions. And then there was a focal point. There was a business called Tinhorn Flats in Burbank that was staying open during the restrictions. So they were actually allowing indoor dining, and they got a lot of heat from that. They were getting cited every. Every evening. And then I put out a video about that, and then Newsmax picked up the video, and they showed it. It was on Stitchfield. Yeah. So he showed that. And then I started talking about the restrictions on Covid as well, what was happening in Orange County. And then Infowars picked that up. I threw another video, and they picked that up. So it was all regarding Covid. But then the whole 92 riot thing, that was kind of like that's where I picked up my moniker, my handle, because of that, Because I was kind of like, what do I call myself? Right. And then I just started doing some research and I ran into that thing like the roof. Korean 92. I was like, hey, that kind of applies to.
Connor
Oh shit, that's me.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Literally, that's how I created the account. Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
But so all of this, so backing up just to like to super basics for the people who don't know. So 1992 was the LA Rodney King ride where I was, I was actually doing some reading on this a little bit last night in prep. It was Rodney King who was in a high speed chase with police for I think drunk driving, high on crack.
Tony Moon
Yeah, he was, was he high? He was high on PCP too.
Brandon Herrera
Oh shit.
Tony Moon
Yeah. That's the reason why when they're beating him, he wasn't responding because he was just numbed out. That's why.
Brandon Herrera
Well, yeah, but the, the footage, basically somebody read, recorded it. The, the news, got a hold of the footage where basically they were beating the shit out of this guy.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
And then it just sent the whole city into a bunch of essentially race riots.
Tony Moon
Right.
Eli Doubletap
They, the reason the city went crazy over it is like they were, they were, they were beating his ass. It should have been one of those cases where they put him in handcuffs and put them in the back of the car, but they were, they were standing around and like actually beating his ass. And then they took the, the four officers got charged with it, they went to trial and they were acquitted of everything. And that's what drove the city crazy.
Brandon Herrera
Okay, so it was based on the acquittal of the cops. Got it. Okay.
Eli Doubletap
That's when everyone crazy. And they started like, they started looting the entire city and they went down to like Koreatown, like where you and all your people are down there and they just started tearing shit up, stealing TVs.
Brandon Herrera
It was basically like a worse version of the BLM riots, but localized to LA.
Tony Moon
LA county. I'm going to differentiate between LA City and LA county because LA county is much larger than LA City. So the, the previous ICE riots that we had in 2025, that's localized to LA City. Like downtown LA is mainly where it was, but it makes, it makes it look like on media and video that it's all the whole city. It wasn't the 92 rights, was the whole county. So you had everything from Koreatown down south past downtown LA to South Central, over by like Brentwood, Culver City, and then up north by like where I was, I lived in Hollywood. Like, you know where Culver City. Yeah.
Connor
Counties. Counties in California are enormous.
Talent Operator
Oh, like for the viewer, you're not going to know this, but one of those cities to say, or districts is a 30 minute to an hour drive, especially in traffic, like, and that's just going.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, because you live in la, right?
Talent Operator
Yep. Glendale. So that's when he's saying like Pasadena. You're going even past Pasadena. That's massive. And it's a huge thing.
Tony Moon
Yeah, it was basically everything. If you look at downtown la, everything south of downtown la, obviously, because that's where the black community was. That's where. And they were really upset. And it's not just because of Rodney King, because the year before that 14 year old girl named Latasha Hollins got shot. Was shot by a Korean shop owner storekeeper. It was an older woman that was shot and then it went to trial and then she got probation and the black community was pissed off because what
Brandon Herrera
was the story about?
Tony Moon
That story was basically she was stealing orange juice and then she was asked to put it away. And then she beat the fuck out of this. Like.
Brandon Herrera
Oh shit.
Tony Moon
Yeah, she beat the crap out of this older lady. She's like in her late 60s and then. And this, she's 14, but she's a big 14 year old girl, you know, so she beat the crap out of her. So the lady kind of, I guess she says in the, in the court transcript, she says she kind of lost her mind because she didn't know what to expect, what was coming next because she was turning around and she felt like she was come back. So she pulled out the revolver and pulled the trigger. And they're saying that the revolver was stolen at one point and the trigger was modded. So when she got it, it was actually a lot lighter.
Brandon Herrera
Who gives a fuck?
Tony Moon
Yeah, exactly. Right. So but anyways, she got shot and then because of that, the black community was upset because of that. And then the year after you had the Rodney King. So it just all culminate culminated into what happened with Rodney King. And that's where everything just kind of blew up on Wednesday. So the verdict came down on Wednesday. And then that's where you see the, the protests on Florence Normandy. Reginald Denny getting pulled out of his car, hit with a cinder block, splayed out in blood. That was on Wednesday. So then Thursday. So that's when that was the trucker. Yeah, that was a trucker.
Talent Operator
So that was bad.
Eli Doubletap
One thing that I read about that too is Reginald Denny Was he was delivering gravel to a Section 8 housing complex. Lower income housing complex. He was there to actually help.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Eli Doubletap
And they pulled him out of his truck and. Yeah, cinder block just right over his head. And then the news helicopter got all the surefire.
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Connor
Because I mean, this is before my time, but was there like going into the LA riots, was there any, like, precedent? Like, did you know that this was maybe going to happen? Because like now with like BLM and stuff, we know that, like, oh, this is another George Floyd type incident or another this person type incident. There's going to be riots in major cities all over. Like, we kind of have a warning. This is like the first time it ever really happens. It caught everybody off guard.
Tony Moon
This was actually organic. Yeah, this, the BLM riots and everything. All the ice, that's all funded.
Connor
Yeah.
Tony Moon
Right. So this was all organic. It was the community. And what happened was so on Thursday is when it got really bad. That's when they started the stores in South Central. A lot of the Korean owned stores were kind of like peppered like islands in that city. There's nothing, there's no central community in there. So a lot of them got Looted were burned. Firefighters that tried to go there to stop the fires were being shot at. So they needed a police escort. And they couldn't afford the manpower anymore. So they just stopped going there and trying to put out the fires. So that was by Thursday. So by Thursday, when all this was picking up steam, is when the call went out from Radio Korea asking for help. So it was just a general distress call asking for help. Anybody to come and help, you know, the community.
Talent Operator
That's why.
Tony Moon
So a lot of us went. I never got the call because it was all in Korean. I speak Korean, but I'm not really that fluent. But I got the call from my friend, and he was like, hey, you see what's going on tv? I was like, yeah. And he was like, can you help? I was like, yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Were you born in L. A?
Tony Moon
No, I was born in Germany.
Brandon Herrera
Germany. Oh, shit. Okay.
Talent Operator
You look it.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Tony Moon
Thanks, man. I tell people I'm South African, but, you know.
Talent Operator
What age were you during this?
Tony Moon
I was 19.
Brandon Herrera
Oh, wow.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
So 19. The phone call. Hey. And it's like, grab a gun or grab something to protect. This is what we're doing. What was that phone call like?
Tony Moon
So it was just like, hey, you know, it might be coming up north. Because his brother had a store over by Vermont and Washington, which is just north of the 10 Freeway. And that's kind of. The 10 Freeway is kind of dividing line between Koreatown and, like, the south. So his was just north of that. So he. His concern was that they were going to start coming up north. Like the black community was going to start coming up. Because that was. That was kind of the rumor that they're going to come up north. They're going to go, you know, loot Bel Air and Beverly Hills. And that was kind of what the talk was. So when he called me, I already knew, like, why he was calling me. And, you know, I was watching everything that was going down, so I went with them. But in my book, I outline my past, who I was before and what I did and why. I'm very familiar with law enforcement and how they operate in lapd and some of the ties I have with LA and the roots I have and some of the ties I have. And for me, it wasn't just simply going out and just protecting my friend. But there was some street politics involved as well with that. Because I have a lot of friends.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
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Tony Moon
The new habitats.
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Connor
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Tony Moon
Rated PG.
Brandon Herrera
Right now it kind of, it's giving me similar vibes to like the Kyle Rittenhouse case. It's like a lot of the, the riots, thankfully, you know, didn't end up the same way, but like, because I think he was going with a friend of his. It's been so many years, but he was going with a friend of his to protect that friends because his dad had that car. Car dealership or that car lot. And he's like, we need, like, we need some help defending our property because they're going to burn everything.
Tony Moon
Yeah, yeah, it's similar to that. But I'm just gonna, I'm gonna clarify the riots. There was actually three different riots that, that week. You had the riots, that was the black community down South Central. And then you had sporadic riots throughout LA county, like Culver City. People just taking advantage of the chaos and looting because there's no more Central Command with, you know, emergency services or anything. Everything is just like offline sublime. And then in Koreatown you had a whole different ride. You had basically what I call a gang war. You had a gang war between us and two of the largest gangs, I think one of the largest gangs in LA, which is MS.13. I was, I was on the, on the east, east side of Koreatown. Koreatown is actually divided into two different groups. You got 18th street on the west side that owns a lot of that territory. And you got Ms. On the east side that owns a lot of that territory.
Talent Operator
I didn't know about Ms. 13. Yeah, that's a. I figured have been the Bloods of Crips out in that area.
Tony Moon
No, it's Bloods of Crips are further south. Okay, so further south. So these guys where I was patrolling, where we were patrolling, it was mainly Ms. Territory. So when we were out there and we found out who was shooting, we got a description of the vehicle, what they look like, how many occupants. And we already knew who they were. So me and my buddy, because we have a background and we kind of know la, we already know the territories, where they're at. So we actually went into their territory looking for them because we got the description from. So what happens? I'll just kind of time it out. So I went to, with my friend to his brother's shop, right? So you got Hispanic and black employees are pulling merchandise away from the window and boarding it up, right? Everyone's armed, everyone's strapped, they got something. So his older brother tells us, hey, go to this other plaza over by New Hampshire and Olympic, check on those guys. I got some buddies there. So we go over there and then as soon as we get there, the older guys are telling us that we're being shot at. And who's shooting at you guys? Four guys, white Toyota Corolla and they're doing rounds, they're just coming by and taking pot shots at us. So we already know in that area in the 90s, like the guys who drive Toyota Corollas are Ms. 18th street. Some of the established Hispanic gangs are more Buick, Cadillacs, Chevys, you know, these guys are driving Toyota Corolla. So we already know it's them. And because of the area we kind of know where they're going to be hanging out, where their hood is. So we're kind of driving through there and we actually catch up to these guys. I think, I think it was these guys. But yeah, I talk about in my book. But yeah, there's a moment.
Talent Operator
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Even the isolation. Korean town. And I'm trying to compare that to any other city that has a district that is Koreatown. And it is, this is a large area and it is. How many Koreans live in Koreatown?
Tony Moon
I don't know, but it's about a three square mile radius. Koreatown.
Talent Operator
Great parking.
Tony Moon
Yeah, yeah, fantastic parking.
Talent Operator
God, I hate. I hated visiting my friends. I'm like, oh God.
Tony Moon
Oh it sucks. Yeah. But yeah, so it was, it's three different rides and in the video you see Mr. Jew, he's saying, oh yeah, there's cholos that are shooting at us. Right. So we don't. It's not cholos. These. I talked to some other people that I know and they don't think it was, they don't think it was 18th street that was involved with the shooting. They think it was mainly miss because these guys were first generation immigrants and they're just gonna go wild, you know. And these guys were actually changing the dynamics in terms of like gang warfare. In the 90s when these guys came intocame to LA and they formed MS.13,
Talent Operator
it was one of the most dangerous gangs for a while actually in the United States.
Tony Moon
Yeah, they started off as a stoner group. They listened to heavy metal, smoked weed, stoners and then basically they Hung out and they started having beef with some of the local Mexicans because these guys are Salvadoranians. And you know, not all Hispanics get along, so just like not all Asians get along sometimes. So. So they had beef and they formed Ms. And then I think when they joined with the Mexican mafias, when they add the 13. But before it was just miss straight miss.
Talent Operator
What was one of the craziest moments though during that for yourself where you're like, oh fuck, this is a lot more than. Maybe more than I chewed like react. I'm trying to figure out a way to talk about it without ruining the book because I know you want to do both, but it's like, I know,
Tony Moon
you know, I, I wanted like I want to talk about the book and what's in the book, but I can't. But I would say that it was. I've had enough in my life where it was just another week kind of, I mean as crazy at that sound as that sounds, but it's just kind of a week in my life during that time that kind of. I kind of forgot about after so many years that I never brought it up to my family, never brought it to my kids, my family, you know.
Brandon Herrera
So they just found out later.
Tony Moon
Yeah, they just found out. They're like. And then when I created the account, they're like, you know, like. And then I told them.
Connor
So you didn't realize that this was like a big deal that people had talked about for decades until like 2020?
Tony Moon
I didn't know.
Connor
That's so interesting.
Tony Moon
I had no idea.
Connor
Well, it's interesting to me because like a lot of World War II veterans had the same experience where like a lot of World War II veterans were like in Battle of the Bulge or they were at some major battle, but like all the history and documentation didn't come out until 30 years after the fact. So there was a lot of dudes are like, oh shit. I was there for that actually. I was in Battle of the Bulge. And they had no idea until they
Brandon Herrera
didn't know how big of a deal it was. Yeah, just on like a top down view. They didn't know.
Connor
Yeah, they had no idea because they
Brandon Herrera
were in that skirmish one day.
Connor
Yeah, it's just like, oh shit. I was, I was there for that actually. Yeah, this is, I remember that. Like it's just interesting. Like didn't even know Big part of history until decades later.
Tony Moon
I had no clue. No idea. I didn't even know. It was a whole meme or whatever. It's Only until I created the account in 2020. 2021. Yeah. Is when. No, 2020. November 2020 is when I created the X account. Is when, you know, I kind of
Brandon Herrera
found out about everything, because that's one of the OG memes, I think, on your channel is you've. You've been promising a roof Koreans video For what, 10 years now?
Eli Doubletap
Yeah, I started off in 2016 talking about roof Koreans and just kept talking about it and talking about it, and I never made a video on it. So I. I think I brought roof Koreans back into the. To the, like, mainstream.
Brandon Herrera
Because, like, when. Early YouTube, when we first started hanging out, I think we were down in Charleston that one time, like years and years ago, people kept pestering you about the roof Koreans video.
Tony Moon
I'm like, what?
Brandon Herrera
Like, why. Why do people keep asking you about a roof Koreans video? And apparently you had promised one but never made it. Yeah, to this day.
Eli Doubletap
Yeah, I promise. I promise. Roof Korean video for years. Because back then I was like, super hardcore into researching crime, and I found the roof Koreans and I kept bringing it up on YouTube and kept bringing it up, and I never made a video about it.
Brandon Herrera
Well, here. You're finally doing it.
Eli Doubletap
Yeah, I know. Here's my roof Korean.
Connor
It would be.
Tony Moon
And roof Korean had no idea about roof Koreans.
Connor
Be a shame if the comment section adopted the win Roof Korean video.
Brandon Herrera
You could probably do it on climate.
Talent Operator
Such a shame.
Eli Doubletap
Yeah. Old shout out to Popo Medic. My buddy, he.
Brandon Herrera
He.
Eli Doubletap
He went ahead and he made a video about the roof Koreans. He did a nice video about that.
Tony Moon
So cool guy.
Brandon Herrera
When crime is fun on roof Koreans.
Eli Doubletap
I know I need to do that now, too.
Talent Operator
Dang, that is wild. I now the.
Brandon Herrera
Well, for the. For the audience who doesn't know just to. The reason why we keep talking about it is like a meme. Like, the roof Koreans meme is in the Second amendment community. It kind of became. I mean, not to overuse the word, but it became a meme in the sense where it was a perfect representation of going down, the police not being there to protect you, and individuals grabbing firearms and just protecting their own.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Protecting their. Their property and their people. And so it just became like this icon, you know, kind of retro early 90s thing. But it became like that symbol for standing up and defending your community.
Tony Moon
Right, right. Yeah. I was totally unaware of any of that. I mean, I didn't have a social media account up until 2020. Nothing. No. No Instagram, no Twitter, nothing.
Talent Operator
So you just off the Internet. That's why You?
Tony Moon
Yeah, I was off the Internet. I mean like I was living a life. I was going to tournaments with my kids and I was, you know, doing my own business. And I mean Twitter was just like, just something else, you know, just you
Brandon Herrera
didn't realize how fun it could be to yell at people.
Tony Moon
Yeah. And talk shit talk all day long.
Brandon Herrera
It's the Elon thing. It's like, it's the PVP server of social media.
Tony Moon
Recently there was one where they had Elon looking like a woman and they're like wrong answers only. So I put, I posted like, yeah, my kid's new stepmom.
Talent Operator
I'm fine with that one.
Eli Doubletap
Now with.
Talent Operator
You got to shoot the Daewoo today, right. You brought out that if you wanted to do a brief history on why that weapon is important to the situation.
Tony Moon
Sure.
Brandon Herrera
So like the Daewoo, they woo, produces a bunch of things from, you know, rifles to cars, but the, the Korean assault rifle, you see it in a lot of anime and shit too. Like was it solo leveling? Yep, I think it was maybe.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
So yeah, I was just like, ah, they Woos like you kind of outs it as a Korean show because that's like their, their assault rifle or their iconic assault rifle. Anyway, so there's a lot of those photos and we were actually talking about this a little bit earlier. You kind of filled me in on some stuff. I didn't know where a lot of the photos of the, the signature, you know, roof Koreans, the famous pictures, a lot of them have Daewoo K1s and K2s. And so you were telling me that a lot of that is because a lot of those dudes were first generation. They from their mandatory military service in South Korea. They were just familiar with them.
Tony Moon
Yeah, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, they, it was something that they used. So they're obviously familiar with that. But some of the young guys like myself that were out there, we had different, you know, firearms. I, I took a Remington 870 out there and then my buddy had a Beretta 92FS.
Brandon Herrera
But yeah, that it's the most 90s ever. That's awesome.
Tony Moon
But yeah, the, the K2, I mean I've wanted to shoot that for a long time too because I saw it feel stripped and it looked like I said, remember we talked about looked like a blend between an AK and an AR.
Brandon Herrera
So yeah, it's like they wanted to take an AR15 and then give it an AK style long stroke gas piston.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Which is basically what that gun is Exactly. I love. There's a long stick that gets gas from the barrel, pushes bull carrier back.
Talent Operator
There we go. Now I got it. We. We brought it out and shot your book covers. So is that the first 400? How many books are going out? And what was that for exactly?
Tony Moon
That. That's actually for an insert in the book. Right, so like a page. Yeah. When the publishers said like, we're going to shoot it, I thought we're going to shoot the actual book.
Talent Operator
Right.
Tony Moon
But they're like, no, we're going to shoot the page.
Talent Operator
You just want us to ruin the entire book. Well, this chapter's gone.
Tony Moon
Right, Right.
Brandon Herrera
Well, but then they have to. Now they have to buy two cops.
Connor
Yeah, See, it's brilliant.
Tony Moon
Marketing stunks. Yeah. So. So yeah, that was, that was fun. But yeah, shooting the page is. They're going to insert the page into the book, so.
Talent Operator
Oh, gotcha. That makes. Okay. I wasn't sure on how all of that was working.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I didn't know either.
Talent Operator
It was a cool idea. We just got it and it's like, hey, let's go shoot this. So we went and fired. How many is it? The first hundred. How does the cell work? I'm trying to help you on your market. Okay, this is your pitch. Right now we shot pages for you.
Tony Moon
That's going in the. The pre order.
Talent Operator
Right.
Tony Moon
In the special edition book. Right. So that's. That's for that. And then they're gonna have the other regular hardback and soft copy like afterwards. But this is the ballistic edition. Yeah, this is the ballistic edition. Right. So it's supposed to be, you know, special.
Brandon Herrera
So we shot it with the. The Daewoo K2 and the MP7.
Tony Moon
That's kind of neat.
Talent Operator
We did use the 9 mil one time.
Brandon Herrera
Eli used the 9 mil one.
Connor
The Daewoo, because it's relevant. The MP7 because it's cool about the logic that went into that.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, pretty much.
Tony Moon
That's.
Brandon Herrera
It's exactly what happened.
Talent Operator
You actually got to fire the MP7 full. Yeah, you almost did. The mistake of too many clicks on the first one.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I know. That was fun though. It's a good thing you actually mentioned that. I would have just sprayed them.
Brandon Herrera
The book is extra shot.
Tony Moon
Yeah, exactly like it's got extra holes in it.
Talent Operator
That was a blast. So when does that actually release or when do pre sales go up?
Tony Moon
Well, we were. It was scheduled to be released this month on the 34th anniversary, which has been. Would have been April 28th or 29th. My bad. But they're pushing it to like July, August, because there's a few other things I need to get done. The audio version needs to get done, so I gotta record the audio.
Connor
I was just going to ask you if you're going to record the audio version.
Tony Moon
They're having me record the audio version. So the audio version is going to get done. That has to get done. There's also a few other things, steps. Like the whole book publishing industry, that's like their own thing. So, yeah, it's about nine months to a year for them to get a manuscript and put it onto the market.
Brandon Herrera
So I really like it when. When authors read their own audiobooks. Like, I just dig that.
Tony Moon
It's cool. Yeah, it's interesting because, like, the creative director was fixing a lot of the grammar and I said. And I was like, no, I don't talk like that though. You know, it's gonna sound weird if I say this on the audio because I don't speak like this. So I'm gonna. I had to rewrite it according to the way, you know, I speak.
Brandon Herrera
So now I think your book is gonna be like Ebonics.
Talent Operator
10 more dollars if you do it in Asian accent. The entire book of my eyes.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, the publisher said it was better for authenticity.
Tony Moon
I don't know what.
Talent Operator
That's the most racist shit ever. The Poe is like, you should do this in an Asian accent. I don't have one.
Tony Moon
Make one up. Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
The beginning of every chapter is a gong.
Talent Operator
The thundercloud rolling.
Tony Moon
Oh.
Talent Operator
Oh, that be amazing.
Brandon Herrera
That's funny.
Talent Operator
Connor, what are you doing?
Brandon Herrera
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Talent Operator
You fuming? Okay.
Connor
You ain't never seen nobody cheap about
Brandon Herrera
fume like this boy can fume responsibly.
Talent Operator
Look at Connor.
Brandon Herrera
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Talent Operator
From what?
Brandon Herrera
My oral fixation. I would have something else in my mouth right now, but thanks to fume, it's not made of human flesh. Can I have that, please? You want to hit my fume, bro?
Eli Doubletap
I do want to hit.
Tony Moon
Let me pass it.
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Talent Operator
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Brandon Herrera
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Talent Operator
So during. During COVID you were seeing a lot of, I'm guessing, businesses shut down and then seeing the control of it and how it's just up. And that's what got your voice going
Tony Moon
down in the election. And that was that. And that's what propelled me to go to D.C. in January.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, because I didn't know that either until earlier today when we were talking about there's a lot of things people
Tony Moon
don't know about me.
Talent Operator
No, I didn't even know that.
Tony Moon
But yeah, J6. I was a J6 too. D.C. yeah. So that was interesting. Had a good time there. I mean, it's nothing like what they described the media, you know, and it was basically families that were out there, kids, grandparents, you know, and it was because the election was fraudulent. You know, it was a fraudulent election and it was very blatant. I grew up remembering. You remember the hanging chads during gore, that election, 2000. Yeah, yeah. So I remember that. But this was just blatant. It was so obvious, you know, and that's what kind of got me.
Brandon Herrera
What I didn't know either. Well, because I asked you as soon as I found that out, because you're showing us, like some of the pictures you take in there. And then I had asked if the Feds fucked with you at all after did.
Tony Moon
Yeah, they did. Just for.
Brandon Herrera
Just for being present.
Tony Moon
Right. So they. The two feds came to mind.
Brandon Herrera
You didn't go in the building or anything?
Tony Moon
I didn't go in the building.
Brandon Herrera
You're just there on the lawn.
Tony Moon
Right. We're outside on the steps, you know. And then when Trump tweeted at around 4:00, like, hey, go home, like, it's all done. So we all took off and we left. But we weren't. I went there because I watched videos in October, November of people getting assaulted by antifa leftists and stuff. And so I think a lot of us went there thinking that we were going to be brawling on the street, you know, with these guys. But they never showed up. I mean, they weren't there. But the reason why they weren't there is because they were intermixed in the crowd with us, you know, so I didn't know that until somebody I was with pointed out there was a guy who had like a huge anarchy, you know, tattoo on his hand and he called him out and he basically scurried and went into the crowd and that's how we lost him. But that's kind of how we figured out that we were. It wasn't just us. I mean, Antifa was with us, you know, at J6. And they were the ones that were usually like Antifa. BLM guys were probably the ones that were breaking the windows and, you know, destroying, you know, on property.
Talent Operator
So also wild them showing up. You never went in, you were just there on camera, I'm assuming. But then them showing up to your door would have been weird.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I mean, I kind of expected that because they were showing up on everybody's door, you know, in some form or fashion. Either they were showing up as plain clothes feds or they were swatted out and, you know, basically, you know, closing both ends of the street and bringing in the SWAT guys, the FBI SWAT guys.
Talent Operator
So.
Tony Moon
Yeah. So two different experiences with feds. Now mine was a lot more pleasant. So I had like two fed man and woman, you know, and I spoke with them. But later on they got involved in my life again when I was having issues with my ex wife. And so they actually called DCFS or cps, you know, so they were involved in taking away my kids for about a couple months. Oh, whoa. What the heck?
Brandon Herrera
And that was related to the J6 stuff?
Tony Moon
Well, not related to J6, but the feds are monitoring me. Oh, wow. They're very. I'd say they're very insidious in terms of how they gather and tell. And I. I'm familiar with this and I kind of know, like when you're online, you don't want to really leave too much online. I mean, I still write stuff down with paper and pen, you know, it's just by habit. But they, I got a notification from, it was Dropbox, because I use Dropbox and Facebook, saying that they were actually cooperating with the feds. And this was. I got the notification like in November and they said that they were cooperating with the feds since like August. So the feds were actually, you know, crawling over all my social media and my accounts and whatnot. Since August and I just found out about it in November. So I already kind of knew that they were going to do that. And I already had a feeling that they were going to crawl all over my Dropbox account, you know, and look at all my folders and files. But it's all business related, so there's nothing there to incriminate me.
Talent Operator
It's still wild. From like, when you think about that, how much money just combing over mortgage notes. This guy really.
Brandon Herrera
Damn it, we're going to find something here.
Tony Moon
I should have got my mortgage from this guy.
Brandon Herrera
Like we've been pouring over it for three weeks and all I need to. All I figured out is I need to refinance.
Tony Moon
Yeah, pretty much.
Talent Operator
It is crazy how much money was spent on something like that. That's how my brain.
Brandon Herrera
That was a shitload.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
Never went in how much time, resources, salaries went to just. Tony Moon, you son of a bitch.
Brandon Herrera
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Tony Moon
And I tried to figure out how they were targeting people because it just seems so random. Like there was like two older women, twins that were, you know, on the capitol, but they were actually. I think they were incarcerated for a while too.
Talent Operator
How many people actually went to jail from that?
Tony Moon
I know there's a list out there. There. There's J6.
Brandon Herrera
How many were arrested that basically that.
Tony Moon
That are out there. That's. That has a list. But yeah, I think it was quite a bit.
Talent Operator
And they all got pardoned. Like everything just got wiped clean. Right. For the most part.
Tony Moon
Except for, I think Joe Biggs. Joe didn't. Joe didn't get his pardon.
Brandon Herrera
So it led to the arrest of 1600 individuals, 725 of which were charged with federal crimes.
Talent Operator
How many were charged with federal crimes?
Brandon Herrera
725 of them by the end of 2021. Yeah. No, they. They threw the book at all those
Tony Moon
is a witch hunt.
Connor
My. So I don't really get into the whole J6 arguing thing, but I've always heard the stat thrown around that there was like four police officers that died on J6. And I thought that wasn't right. And then I just remember looking into it. So the stat that gets thrown around is four cops were killed. One officer died the Next day from a heart attack. Four officers died by themselves over the course of the next several months. And Those are the five deaths that are getting accredited to J6.
Tony Moon
Probably has to cut.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, no shit.
Connor
Yeah.
Tony Moon
That's Covid counting, right?
Talent Operator
Right.
Connor
Yeah, for sure.
Tony Moon
Everyone that dies is Covid.
Brandon Herrera
Those are comorbidities, is what I think the.
Talent Operator
You caught 9 millimeter, Covid.
Tony Moon
I see. Yeah.
Talent Operator
Yeah.
Connor
I just always thought that was a crazy stat to go and throw around in that fashion.
Brandon Herrera
Right.
Talent Operator
How do they associate any of that?
Connor
Because it's politically convenient.
Tony Moon
Is.
Connor
Yeah. There's no other reason.
Brandon Herrera
Like, I mean, you got those. The people that were saying, like, you can again debate the merits of it, you know, all day. All day long. But the people that drive me crazy are the ones that are like, oh, this is worse than 9 11. It's like, yeah, by absolutely. What metric?
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
You know, I'm sorry.
Eli Doubletap
According to some streamers, America deserve 9 11.
Brandon Herrera
Which streamers would those. Oh, never mind. I think I know
Connor
there's more than one.
Tony Moon
Twitter.
Brandon Herrera
I love. This episode has turned into eli learns about January 6th.
Tony Moon
I know.
Talent Operator
Wow.
Tony Moon
Wow.
Connor
Just sitting here the entire time. This definitely won't be brought up in a congressional run.
Tony Moon
Yeah. 911 changed everything. I mean, we had relative peace from 89 to 2001 because the wall fell. There was no more Soviet Union. Right. So we had no enemy, actually. Like, we got an arms industry, but we don't know who we're gonna bomb. So 911 looked really convenient. Right. So now after 9 11, now. Now we can go to war and go kill these guys for 20 years. Yeah.
Eli Doubletap
We're talking about G1.
Tony Moon
I know.
Talent Operator
It was a short war.
Eli Doubletap
We've heard about G1.
Talent Operator
We only lived through it 20, dude. It's wild seeing individuals join and then their kiddos served with them while deployed.
Tony Moon
That's crazy.
Connor
In the aviation community, they go out of their way to do it. But The Buff, the B52, they've been in flight for so long. There are B52s that have been piloted by the grandpa, the dad, and the grandson.
Tony Moon
Wow.
Talent Operator
Cool.
Connor
Like, that's like, so, like, the Air Force will go out of their way to be like, hey, I need. I need to fly this B52. Because that's what my grandpa, my dad flew. They try to make it happen.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Connor
Just so you can say, like, three generations of my family flew that bomber.
Talent Operator
That's.
Connor
Which is really cool.
Talent Operator
That's really dope.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Yeah.
Connor
Thanks to service forever, Three generations of
Brandon Herrera
my family join the mile High club in this thing.
Talent Operator
Yeah.
Connor
Like,
Talent Operator
they.
Connor
I'm sure it never happened, but, like, you just imagine, like, walking into a B52 and there's like, graffiti with, like, your dad, your grandpa and your dad's name.
Tony Moon
Yep.
Talent Operator
Sketchy.
Connor
Grandpa Joe was here also.
Talent Operator
Dad, it's just. Give me a pocket knife.
Brandon Herrera
It's just the last name, you know, Hernandez was here. Below it again.
Connor
Double it. Give it to the next guy.
Talent Operator
Were the B50 U2s used just recently or what was cited. I know you.
Connor
That was cited.
Tony Moon
Over.
Connor
Yeah, B52s. If there's big bombings going on, B52s are getting used.
Talent Operator
Because we were talking about that. It's like, is this either way terrifying?
Brandon Herrera
B52s?
Connor
I have air superiority.
Talent Operator
Explain that one. It was what was seen earlier that day.
Connor
Oh, they were saying that because Trump had the whole thing with Iran, like, you guys are going to. We're going to have an agreement by 8pm on Tuesday. And there were sightings of a ton of American aircraft flying over England and their path and where they were. It would have put them over Iran at like, over Tehran at like, 7:45pm so they saw. They saw B52s, they saw B1s and they saw some other planes all headed that direction. So they're like, oh, shit, he's not kidding. Like, that is on route right now.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah. Your dasher is on the way.
Talent Operator
Just a plane sitting there with your driver. Yeah, your dasher and then the plane. And this. Your dasher is picking up order. Uh.
Connor
Oh, Jeff from Nebraska.
Talent Operator
That's your package, Jeff.
Tony Moon
That's hilarious.
Brandon Herrera
Oh, God, five stars.
Talent Operator
You need to make that story.
Brandon Herrera
Like it's. And it's obviously, you know, it's. It's an objectively good thing, period, that it didn't have to go there, you know?
Eli Doubletap
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
We got. We got time at time recording, but, you know that there was like a jarhead moment.
Tony Moon
We're.
Brandon Herrera
One of those B52 pilots got the call and was like, damn it. I've trained for this for years.
Connor
This is.
Brandon Herrera
This is all I wanted to do.
Talent Operator
A hundred percent.
Connor
Just edging.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Connor
It's like, oh, now I got blue bombs.
Brandon Herrera
Because, I mean, I imagine they. Like, it's probably been a while since one of them's run a combat mission, if ever.
Talent Operator
Or they use.
Connor
Who dropped their new pilots?
Brandon Herrera
No, I just mean B52s in general.
Talent Operator
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because who. Who dropped the Moab or what plane drop.
Connor
Moab was C130.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
So B52 probably hasn't been used in B52s.
Connor
Get used all the time.
Talent Operator
I mean.
Connor
Oh, yeah, Any. Any bombing campaign is the. The workhorse is the B52. Like, if we're. If we're doing any heavy bombing, it's B52s.
Talent Operator
That's true. I guess.
Tony Moon
I.
Talent Operator
Because we never did. I mean, in Iraq during g. What, the surge, There was no just dropping bombs anywhere because it's civilian population, and you're just hearts and minds inside the little city of Baghdad or wherever you are, and you're just going door to door. So we never got. I mean, I've told the story the few times we got to drop a jdam. Everyone's watching. They're like, yes, but it wasn't.
Connor
Last use of a B52 in combat that we know of was 2024 against the Houthis. But that's what I mean. Like, any. Any mass airstrike bombing, like, they're bringing in B52s. Like, B1 is meant for slightly hostile air, B2 is. We're not supposed to be there, and B52 is go yourself.
Brandon Herrera
It's all fun and games until this guy starts losing pixels.
Connor
Yeah.
Tony Moon
Oh.
Connor
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Connor
Brandon, get on his shoulders.
Brandon Herrera
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Connor
Try the perfect jeans out as earmuffs.
Talent Operator
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Brandon Herrera
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Talent Operator
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Connor
I'm fat. I can actually do squats on them. Usually that's an issue.
Brandon Herrera
I'm picturing you do doing squats in the gym with these juice jeans.
Connor
I could.
Talent Operator
Dude, they are like,
Brandon Herrera
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It's always pants season if you're a adult.
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Connor
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Talent Operator
He does. They fit him really nice.
Connor
Oh, pants.
Talent Operator
That's wild. Just thinking watching that destruction of not like one building but just everything getting leveled. Houthis, weren't we there when they made the call or we were told about it. Right.
Tony Moon
Thank you, sir.
Talent Operator
At the White House. Is that what they were talking about when they killed all the terrorist training camp?
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, I think it had just the, the thermal footage had just gotten released if I'm not mistaken.
Connor
I mean that's what a B52 carries.
Talent Operator
How many pounds of gun?
Tony Moon
Wow.
Brandon Herrera
Dear God.
Connor
Yeah, I mean it's.
Tony Moon
That's a lot.
Connor
It's a commercial jetliner full of bombs
Brandon Herrera
and they're telling me I can't have carry on more than 50 pounds.
Tony Moon
Wild.
Eli Doubletap
Holy.
Connor
I want to say it's 180000 pounds of ordinance they can carry. I'm double checking right now.
Tony Moon
That's a lot.
Connor
Sorry. 70 000. Still 70000 pounds of bombs on ah plane.
Brandon Herrera
It's like 100 fat chicks.
Talent Operator
But we were you on the conversation we were talking about. Sorry. The World War I footage of just mortars getting dropped during the Battle of Veran. They have footage of it. I'm not sure if I sent it to you. We were talking about. I can't remember with who but do you know how many mortars were dropped in that 10 month period of time? Mortars and heavy ordinances.
Connor
The I, I believe it was the Battle of Radon, the opening scene in the movie the Kingsman, where they have the like the recap of World War I where it's just dudes standing on mountains of empty mortar shells. That's based off of the Battle of Verdun. I mean it was as soon as they're done in the factory, put them on a truck and get them to the front line. Like they were just firing everything they had constantly. It was insane.
Talent Operator
You know how many shells they.
Connor
No.
Talent Operator
70 million.
Connor
Yeah.
Talent Operator
And then the footage is. They have footage of it and you just seeing round after round. There is no pause. It is every second half a Second, something's hitting and exploding. It's fucking wild to watch.
Brandon Herrera
Fun story. You're talking about how as soon as they were off the factory floor, they went in a truck and went to the front lines and were fired immediately. In Stalingrad during World War II on the Russian side, there's stories of it not even getting that far because they were literally coming up. The German lines had gotten so close to the factory that when they were rolling out the new PPSHs, they were test firing them out the window. At the. At the German lines.
Connor
Yeah. I mean, there's stories. Same thing. Stalingrad. Like German or Russian tanks rolling off the assembly. Like, open the garage door and drive the new tank directly into battle.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Connor
Like, it's crazy.
Talent Operator
I didn't know about that.
Eli Doubletap
Oh, yeah.
Brandon Herrera
It was gnarly because, I mean, it's a major city.
Talent Operator
Oh, yeah. I mean, that was. That was 40 million lost during. No, it was our total. And total Russians were like 20 to 40 million lost during World War II. Right?
Tony Moon
I don't know.
Talent Operator
I want to say it's 20 to 40 million.
Brandon Herrera
Let me see.
Talent Operator
We do a lot. Nick is our historian, so we learned.
Tony Moon
That's cool.
Talent Operator
A lot.
Tony Moon
Yeah, that's cool, man.
Talent Operator
He's on Ask Questions.
Brandon Herrera
Russian deaths, Soviet citizens estimated between 24 and 27 million.
Tony Moon
Wow.
Talent Operator
That's just cities gone instantly. Of a population.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah. This total includes approximately 8.7 to 10.7 million military personnel mil.
Tony Moon
That's like twice the population in California. I think California's like 10 mil.
Brandon Herrera
I think it's way higher than that, isn't it?
Tony Moon
I don't know. Let me check it.
Brandon Herrera
So much.
Talent Operator
Cali.
Connor
Also randomly. I was just looking it up.
Brandon Herrera
California population is 39 million.
Tony Moon
39 million.
Connor
To give you guys an idea how big California counties are, California is significantly bigger than Iowa.
Brandon Herrera
Iowa.
Connor
Iowa has 99 counties. California has 56. The counties in California are fucking massive compared to most other states. Like, being a sheriff in California is like, a big deal. You're in charge of a lot of territory.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Sounds like a fucking pain in the ass.
Eli Doubletap
Why are you still in California?
Talent Operator
Good question.
Tony Moon
It's a good question. I think it's because my parents are buried there, my friends are there, and my kids are there, you know, and
Eli Doubletap
that makes a lot of sense.
Tony Moon
Where am I gonna go, man? Texas? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eli Doubletap
I already told you. Key west, dude.
Tony Moon
I know, but then, like. I don't know, man. I just feel like I'm running then, you know? Yeah, I gotcha. Yeah. I feel like. Like California is a. But it can be better.
Eli Doubletap
Yeah, no, it's beautiful.
Tony Moon
It is.
Eli Doubletap
Like, every time, Brandon, every time we go there, we talk about how wonderful it is.
Brandon Herrera
San Diego.
Connor
The worst part about nice weather in Korea, idiots love nice weather.
Tony Moon
We have. We have a word in Korean. It's called koyang, which means hometown. Like, when you ask someone like, hey, where's your hometown? Where was your koyong? You know, oh, I'm from here, I'm from there. So I see California, LA as my koi. That's my hometown. Gotcha. Where I'm from. And that's where my roots are.
Eli Doubletap
You know, it sucks. Newsom it all up.
Tony Moon
It does suck, you know, but hopefully that'll change in November. I know you got big things happening for you in November as well, so hopefully we'll see it turn. And I think culturally, we're at that point, we're swinging the other way, you know, we're swinging more to the right.
Brandon Herrera
Hope so.
Tony Moon
You have kids. Like, you have a younger. I do have kids too. Like, but the. The 17, 18, 19 year old. These kids, they're different than the millennials.
Connor
They're like, they're saying, like, all the studies and stuff. It's the first generation to be more conservative than their parents. You should hear them on Discord years.
Tony Moon
Like, you should hear them on Discord. Like, all. Even my kids like, the way they talk. Like, they have no filter.
Eli Doubletap
Oh, no. I hear my son on Discord.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, I see what he likes on Instagram.
Connor
Yeah, I think.
Tony Moon
Dear God, John.
Eli Doubletap
Yeah, I keep trying to tell my burner. Yeah, I keep. I keep trying to tell John that, like, people can see what you like on Instagram.
Connor
A little.
Eli Doubletap
Man, like, you can't keep liking these posts.
Tony Moon
Okay.
Talent Operator
You know, dude, just really quick. Yeah, there's Los Angeles.
Tony Moon
That's a city. Yeah.
Talent Operator
Yeah, there's the city right there. So then you have Burbank, West Hollywood. This is LA County.
Tony Moon
Yeah, that's LA County.
Talent Operator
No, it is that entire.
Connor
It's big
Talent Operator
there. Everything.
Tony Moon
Yeah. So in 92, that's what was being rided on, like, all those different cities.
Eli Doubletap
Do you know what ended up happening to Rodney King?
Tony Moon
Well, he. He got a settlement, and then he
Eli Doubletap
got a $3.8 million settlement.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Eli Doubletap
You know what happened?
Tony Moon
He drowned.
Eli Doubletap
Two years later, he drowned in his own swimming pool. And then his toxicology was, you had pcp, cocaine, and he was drinking at the time.
Tony Moon
He had PCP when he was running from the cops. Yeah, same thing.
Connor
LA County.
Eli Doubletap
So that's core tax Money went to do that.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Connor
LA county is 4700 square miles. The state of Rhode island is 1500 square miles. Louisiana county is bigger than some states.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
You have multiple airports inside this county. Multiple. Yeah, and not small airports. Burbank, Ontario, Long Beach, Ontario, Los Angeles, lax.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Connor
So, I mean, riots covering the whole counties. That's a whole state.
Tony Moon
Yeah, it was all counties. 92 was organic. I mean, everything after was just been, you know, it's been funded, but 92 was organic.
Connor
That's crazy.
Tony Moon
And then going back to that picture that we were looking at, the magazine, David Ju. That store. Yeah, it's been 30 years, but he was actually giving away firearms that week. So you had Korean owners that came like, hey, like, like, we need to buy something. And, you know, you have that whole background like that here, just take, take, take this, take this pistol, take some ammo, bring it back when everything dies down. So there's kind of an honor system that went down too, where he was giving away, like, guns and then they came back.
Connor
Situations where loaning out guns.
Tony Moon
Yeah, he was loaning out guns.
Eli Doubletap
Used.
Connor
Probably increased the value.
Talent Operator
Yeah.
Connor
At least if you sat on it for 30 years and you could prove.
Talent Operator
Which is wild, because then I wonder if that helped some of the laws that went in effect later where you can't even loan.
Brandon Herrera
I don't know if California has those. I know they've got them in some of the Pacific Northwest states.
Talent Operator
Well, that's what I'm saying. I wonder if they had any connection. I mean, down the road you're like, well, they handed it out, so we need a rule so they can't do that.
Brandon Herrera
I mean, that was even before the Brady Bill, if I'm not mistaken. 92. So they, they didn't even have federal NICS checks yet.
Talent Operator
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, none of those. But then they look back, Washington state, you can't. Like, I can't even give you one of my rifles. Yeah, the.
Brandon Herrera
Well, the example that's used a lot is I think it's in Oregon. Might be Washington, but I think it's Oregon, where they said they got so strict with that, you know, transfer. What is a transfer? That if me and you go hunting and we're traveling over this, you know, barbed wire fence, you know, cutting through a property. If I go, hey, here, grab this for me real quick while I go over this fence, you've just committed a felony.
Talent Operator
This Seattle, Washington state has.
Brandon Herrera
That was it Washington. Okay. I knew it's somewhere in Pacific Northwest.
Tony Moon
That's all stupid.
Talent Operator
We, we couldn't even do a film. We were trying to film something with a gun, but it was the gun we wanted to use for the skit was our buddy's father's rule had just passed. He's like, I can't let you guys use it for filming. It's like, why? It's like it's illegal now. It's an actual crime.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Talent Operator
He was like, here. Nope. No go.
Tony Moon
No.
Brandon Herrera
I mean Virginia's getting close. I mean they had a full like blue sweep of their state delegation.
Tony Moon
You guys notice that there seems to be kind of a wave that's coming
Brandon Herrera
for this for them. I mean for Virginia it's been happening for a while. It's been a slow creep as DC just floods and floods, floods and floods into, down into Alexandria and all the areas of, of Northern Virginia. It's just getting progressively worse. All these federal employees.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Eli Doubletap
What are the new, the Virginia rules. They just enacted that like the past month.
Tony Moon
Right.
Brandon Herrera
They're trying to get it through. So there's a state senator who was born in Bangladesh, like he's not even American, comes to the United States and puts forward probably in my opinion, probably one of the most egregious anti gun laws.
Tony Moon
I know who it is of all time. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Brandon Herrera
And he's. Yeah. Some state senator. And it's, I mean it basically is just a blanket ban on semi automatic firearms.
Tony Moon
Yeah, well it's. Yeah, well, when my book comes out, I'm hoping it to propel that into me. To me talking about first day and second day, but also from perspective, not actual, not just legal gun ownership, but some of the stuff that happens on the illegal side too.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Tony Moon
So once the book comes out, I'll be able to elaborate more on that.
Brandon Herrera
Sure. You said first day and second day.
Connor
First and second amendment.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Yeah. So I'll be talking about like you know, two a first A. And I'm kind of tweeting about that now, you know, because I think there's a lot more restrictions that are coming for some of the other states. I mean they're trying to California, not as like all the other states.
Brandon Herrera
I mean it just came for Colorado. They just passed a pretty, pretty egregious gun bans coming for Virginia. Like it's, I mean Texas is going the opposite direction thankfully. Like we've, we had a pretty good pro gun state legislature this, this cycle and I'm hoping to have a better one next.
Tony Moon
Baby.
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I hate the Every state can interpret a right under the Constitution. It's like, I live 30 miles from the Minnesota border. I can't legally carry in Minnesota, but I can legally carry an Iowa right. And like, I could be doing something completely legal and I can drive down a gravel road into the wrong state and now I'm committing a crime that can get me 20 years in prison. That's insane to me.
Brandon Herrera
Constitutionally, we need if. If not nationwide constitutional carry at least nationwide reciprocity. Because, like, they. I think South Carolina did it. It went to the Supreme Court, if I'm not mistaken, where it was impeding. It was about seatbelt laws or helmet laws, I think. I think it was helmet laws where it was impeding your right to freely travel because each county had their own rule, right? And like, no, you can't do that. Because if I'm driving across my own state, you know, in your case in South Carolina, like, if I'm driving across my own state and I have to keep stopping and checking the rules and checking the laws, every county, county, like, it's an unrealistic impeding. It's unrealistically impeding on my. My right to travel.
Tony Moon
Right.
Eli Doubletap
Which is hilarious for you to bring up because you a don't wear a helmet when you're driving your motorcycle.
Brandon Herrera
I do not. Texas does not have a helmet.
Eli Doubletap
You wear flip flops while you're driving your motorcycle.
Brandon Herrera
Not a smart man.
Connor
I do enjoy the meme of like nothing, nothing quite like getting a seatbelt ticket from a cop on a motorcycle.
Brandon Herrera
Like, you start to realize it's not
Tony Moon
about safety, it's always about control and
Brandon Herrera
revenue generation in that case.
Tony Moon
But I'll be talking about that once the book comes out. I'll be more vocal, you know, talking about two a first day. Looking forward to seeing pushing back on some of the stuff in California, whole
Talent Operator
doing what Brandon's doing.
Brandon Herrera
Smart enough to not run for office,
Talent Operator
but still trying to make a change.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, I was doing that long before politics and I'll do it long after.
Tony Moon
But yeah, everyone should get involved. I mean, everyone should know what's going on with the country. I mean, I do what I do because I owe a debt of gratitude to this country, you know, I mean, it's given me my life, my livelihood, my children, you know, my family, my future. So in a way I feel obligated, you know, to do what I do, you know, and I think if we don't, within a couple generations, I mean, you're gonna have kids that are not gonna remember like anything in terms of the First Amendment, Second Amendment. In fact, when I was coming here on a plane ride, I Talked to some 18 year old kid who was considering going to music school at usc, which is my alma mater. So we had a long conversation and talking about the first and second amendment. And he had no idea that the second amendment was basically to stop against government tyranny. Not just for protecting against, you know, people, you know, you know, looters, robbers, whatever, you know, but against the government, against tyranny, you know, and that's what it was. And he was surprised to hear that. And I was surprised to hear him say that he wasn't even aware of that.
Brandon Herrera
You know, the comparison, the comparison that I use all the time is, you know, when the, in the time that the second amendment was written, the founding fathers didn't just finish up winning a war against deer.
Tony Moon
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Brandon Herrera
Like this was. Yeah, they very intentionally put there.
Tony Moon
Yeah, they actually had British troops stationed inside homes at one point too, you
Brandon Herrera
know, leading to the third.
Tony Moon
So, yeah, I think it's important to talk about this now, sooner than later because I think with this new generation of kids that are coming up, I think the timing is going to be right to Talk about a lot of things that are conservative, like guns, First Amendment, just freedom of speech, stuff like that with this next generation that's coming up, from what I'm seeing.
Brandon Herrera
And there's a lot of that, especially with the younger crowd. There's a lot of people that are eager to bitch and talk about everything that's wrong with this country and stuff like that. And then you have the ability to do that if you don't agree with the direction of your government. Of course, that's literally why the First Amendment is there.
Tony Moon
Right.
Brandon Herrera
But there's not a lot of people, especially like in public schooling, ironically enough, that there's not a lot of people that are being told or not enough people being told what makes this country so unique and so great. All the things that are afforded to us that they don't have even in other western countries like Europe. I mean, the ability to not go to prison for a Facebook page that somebody disagrees with.
Tony Moon
Right.
Brandon Herrera
Like that's. And you know, we've got to stay vigilant on that in the United States because if we don't continue to hold those. Those values that can erode. And we've seen that start.
Tony Moon
Right? Yeah. And it starts with the education system too. I mean, we don't teach US history anymore like we used to or civics. We don't have civics class anymore, you
Brandon Herrera
know, and that I want Nick style jingoism taught in every classroom across America.
Connor
Put me on tv, put me on pbs.
Tony Moon
Yeah, yeah. We need a balance in our education system because right now, like in public schools you got a lot of leftist and lefty ideas, Marxism, that's happening. And they get indoctrinated in junior high, high school and then they go into colleges and you got these college professors that are old like I am, and they're telling these kids what you know, this is what it is. This is how socialism is. And they think it's gospel, you know, but whereas because they don't have anybody at the university, here's how the real world works.
Connor
Kids coming from the guy who's not never had a job outside of academia
Tony Moon
or no accountability either.
Connor
I was sent to kindergarten and I haven't left school since. But let me tell you how the real world works.
Brandon Herrera
Those who can do so.
Tony Moon
I would love to go on college campuses and debate some of these professors.
Connor
College professors are so hard to get to debate you.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Connor
They don't do it.
Tony Moon
Yeah, yeah.
Connor
They cannot rely on anything. I have a degree. I don't give a. Make it make sense. Address the point.
Brandon Herrera
Can't do it. What is it, the fallacy argument? By authority.
Talent Operator
Yeah.
Connor
Appeal to authority.
Tony Moon
Yeah, yeah.
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Eli Doubletap
Nick.
Brandon Herrera
Angie.
Connor
I don't like him.
Talent Operator
Nick loves socialism and communism.
Connor
Huge fan. Huge fan. Huge fan.
Talent Operator
It's what he's known for.
Tony Moon
I can't believe this is all resurfacing again. I mean, this was during my grandfather's time when he talked about what happened during the Korean War and how that war started and what he did, as, you know, his. With his family, they had to escape to the south because the north was actually. They had him on a list and they were gonna. They were gonna kill him. So he had to, you know, take his family and move, you know, take our family, you know, from my mother's side, moved to the South. They had to like, flee. So he. You know, I hear stories like this growing up as a kid, and then now I'm about my grandfather's age. I'm getting there, you know, and. And now I'm living this again, right? But now instead of a story, you know, being told, I'm actually living the experience. Like, you know, I'm watching the resurgence of socialism, Marxism, communism.
Connor
Okay, this time they'll do it right.
Tony Moon
I'm sure they will.
Connor
They'll do it right this time, Tony. This time they give them a chance. That wasn't real communism. We should. Let me try.
Brandon Herrera
Me and Connor were joking about something a couple of days ago and we were talking about, like, there was something that was like Monopoly being like, anti capitalist sentiment when it was first made or like. Well, to be fair to them, back then, communism truly had not been tried. Probably sounded pretty good on paper. Like, to have that view in 2026, it's like. Well, it was tried in a bunch of places. One side had food, the other fucking didn't. So, like, I don't. I don't understand how this is still a conversation.
Connor
Every. Every argument just needs to devolve to. Hey, when the Wall fell, who ran which direction. Oh, what else do you want to talk about?
Brandon Herrera
Like, really, really cool factoid talking about the Berlin Wall in the main Street, I think is what it's called. Main Street Casino in Las Vegas. They have a giant chunk of the Berlin Wall. And when I say giant chunk, I mean several feet. Like a huge chunk of the Berlin Wall in the men's bathroom. And you can piss on it. Oh, well, yeah, yeah, I have pissed on the Berlin Wall.
Tony Moon
No.
Eli Doubletap
Yes.
Brandon Herrera
It's cool.
Connor
We need to go. I did, I did a video where I highlighted just some of the craziest ways that people escaped East Germany. It was like some of the shit people did was crazy.
Tony Moon
Motorbikes.
Connor
Motorbikes. There were people that were taking gas tanks out of cars and just having like a gallon of gas, just enough gas to drive in, pick somebody up. They would strap them where the gas tank was and then drive out. There was one family, somebody actually made a kid's book about it. I bought it for my kids. But it was two families created a business so they could justify getting a bunch of fabric. And then over the course of two years, they skimmed enough fabric from running this business to build a hot air balloon. And they custom made a hot air balloon and flew a hot air balloon successfully. Successfully made it to West Germany to escape.
Tony Moon
I think I read about that.
Connor
It's like, you're not going to sit here and tell me that communism is better. When two fathers said the best thing for my family to do is to get inside of a homemade wicker basket propelled by a flamethrower and try to escape this shithole. You're not going to tell me that's the better option of the two? I'm sorry. Go yourself.
Brandon Herrera
So funny enough, my. So, so Oma.
Eli Doubletap
Right.
Brandon Herrera
My, My grandmother, she was a German civilian during world. You know, grew up under, you know, the, the Nazis and then later on through the American occupation essentially of Germany. They apparently, she had relatives that were in East Germany and they were apparently fairly affluent or they were politically connected in some degree or another. And they had, you know, like Mercedes Benz, like they had, you know, they were pretty well to do. And they were writing letters basically saying, oh, you should come over here. Like, this is, you know, we'll take care of you. Because we're actually. Because they knew that like, you know, rebuilding of Germany, like it wasn't going so great for them for, for the immediate future. And they're like, oh, you should come over here and, and you know, like, we, we got plenty we can take care of you, essentially. And they decided not to because they're like, if we go over there, we can't come back. Yeah, like there's. You can always go in, but you can't leave. And it ended up being the correct call.
Connor
Some of the stuff they did to keep people in was crazy because, like, originally there wasn't like the wall and everything. Like, it wasn't there, but the. They had. They called it the brain drain, where it was just like everybody that got degrees and everything would immediately go to the west because it was better. And then like, we can't keep letting this happen. So they put the walls up and then people were obviously escaping. And then it got to the point where the wall. It was the wall. And then on the other side of it there was a 15 foot wide sand pit. And then the sand pit wasn't to like stop or slow people down. It was to get the guard in trouble because then they knew they'd go by and check every morning that, oh, if your sector has footprints through the sand, you let somebody through and didn't shoot them, either show me the body or we're taking it out on you. Yeah, like, that's diabolical.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
Didn't they have, like, mines, razor wire towards the end?
Connor
I don't know about mines. I know they had razor wire. They had all kinds of defenses. They had. They had a, A underground directory of people's underwear. That was wild, right?
Brandon Herrera
What?
Connor
Yeah, yeah. The Soviets would. If you were a person that they deemed was likely to run away, they would go to your house and confiscate your underwear and they would put it in a jar and label it. And then if you did escape, they had your scent to give the dogs.
Brandon Herrera
That sounds like something I would believe the Japanese would do.
Tony Moon
That's wild.
Connor
Yeah. When. When the wall fell and they went into like, all the Stasi, the East German secret police, like, they had just had rooms full of jars of people's underwear that they were going to track your ass down with.
Talent Operator
Yeah, it's for tracking.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Talent Operator
This is a random dude that has a can just smelling balls. What the.
Brandon Herrera
That's only funds.
Talent Operator
Did your dad come? Where was your or your great.
Tony Moon
My grandfather.
Talent Operator
Okay, Grandfather. Was he north, South, South?
Tony Moon
Yeah, he was up in the north.
Talent Operator
No, so.
Tony Moon
And then he ended up living in the south, so in Busan, which is the port city, but he was up in the north.
Eli Doubletap
Your grandfather fought in the Korean War?
Tony Moon
No, he. Actually, he didn't.
Eli Doubletap
Okay, so say our grandfathers fought each Other dude. I'm sorry.
Tony Moon
Oh, no, he didn't. He. He was. He.
Connor
So he was like in Pusan during, like when it was the Pusan perimeter, when they were pushed all the way down the peninsula.
Talent Operator
Yeah.
Connor
And he was stuck there. Holy.
Tony Moon
Stuck there. So he basically he had. When he escaped and went south, that's where he ended up.
Connor
That's where everybody had to end up. Pushed all the way down.
Tony Moon
He ended up just staying there and he bought a farm and he just like lived there. And then. And after that he sold the farm and came to America?
Talent Operator
No.
Brandon Herrera
So what time or what? What year?
Tony Moon
Let me think. It was like 80, 84, I think. 85, 84. My mom passed away in 87, so he came a couple years before that. A few years. So like 84 around there, I think.
Brandon Herrera
And you were so. And you were born in Germany before that. So how did that happen?
Tony Moon
So what happened was after the Korean War, there was an agreement made between the West German government and the South Korean government where they would send aid package, financial aid. In turn, the South Korean government would send the young men, strong, able bodied young men to work in the coal mines in West Germany.
Brandon Herrera
No shit.
Tony Moon
And then the women like they send, were. Became nurses. So they were all nurses. So that's how my parents met in Germany, working. My father was working the coal mine. My mom was a nurse. And they met and then I was. From what I'm told, I'm actually the first one that was born in Germany. Like, that's what other people have told me because I'm like the oldest out of everyone that's born in, in Germany or in Europe at that time, because we went back in like 97. So in August, there's a huge gathering of Koreans, like either in Germany or in the Netherlands where they celebrate. I forget the dates in August, but it's the, it's the. It's the Independence Day when they were liberated by the Japanese from the Japanese. Right. So they celebrate that it's in August. So all the Koreans get together and they hang out in the barbecue. Cook pork. Right, Barbecue. And then like I met. Some of the other guys are like close to my age, but I was actually the oldest out of all of them. They're like, you're probably the first one that was born in Germany, you know, from all the people that immigrated there, you know, that weren't part of that work visa.
Talent Operator
That's.
Tony Moon
So yeah, that was wild.
Talent Operator
But was your grandfather, did he tell you any stories of that escape or that journey?
Tony Moon
Well, see My grandfather's really. He was kind of a gregarious guy. He spoke to a lot of people. So he kind of became like the de facto like mayor, like, you know, so. So when they had the list, the North Koreans had a list, his name was on there, including his brothers.
Brandon Herrera
Just because he was influential.
Tony Moon
Yeah, because he knew a lot of people, he's influential and he consoled sway people the way he would talk and stuff. So he actually escaped into the hills and like hid out in the caves. And then one of his brothers got caught and then they were actually threatened to kill him. So they had to come down from the caves and basically, you know, live under the North Korean, you know, rule that was there at the time. And the way for them to extract information from him is they would take him out into the field late in the evening telling him that they were going to shoot him unless they gave him. He gave him certain information. So he'd go out, you know, certain evenings they take him out and you know, he'd have to talk to him and stuff and they bring him back. And he told me one evening that he went out and he had a weird feeling because the guards were different, they were acting different. So he felt like this was it. And it's at that moment when they were in the rice fields and you know, he felt like this was going to be the moment is when like US army choppers like flew overhead. So that's when these guys, they got spooked and they took off and he was able to go get his family. And that's the evening that he took off and he went to the south.
Talent Operator
Holy shit.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Damn.
Talent Operator
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Unsub sends its regards. It's also wild. Just your brother gets captured and then it is, well, now you have to come out to save his life and hope. Or hopefully save his life. And they're going to stick to their word, right?
Connor
And now his grandson lived long enough to see a bunch of people on Twitter argue that North Korea is actually better than South Korea. Yeah, fascinating.
Tony Moon
That's.
Brandon Herrera
That's weird because at nighttime, via satellite photos, I can see it's all made up.
Connor
It's all propaganda, Brandon. North Korea's all made up. Kim Jong Un actually did invent the burrito.
Brandon Herrera
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Eli Doubletap
He doesn't shit.
Connor
His body's too efficient.
Brandon Herrera
Is that a real thing?
Connor
Yes. 18 hole in ones, 27 under par. First time you ever golfed.
Brandon Herrera
See, that just sounds cartoonish. Like. Like I'm willing to believe that it's real, but I'm trying to put my. I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of somebody who believes that everything
Tony Moon
in North Korea is kind of cartoonish.
Connor
Let me put a gun to your head.
Talent Operator
You'll believe anything. It's purple.
Tony Moon
I just saw a recent video where these IT guys are hiring, like, Koreans. Right? You saw that?
Connor
Yeah.
Tony Moon
Yeah. So basically they're trying to filter out North Koreans, right? Because they're trying to get these IT jobs. So one of the things they haven't do is like, okay, well, you know, can you just for the camera, tell. Tell me that Kim Jong Un is a big fat pig. And the guy is like. You could tell he's just paused and he couldn't figure out, like, do I say? Do I not say? And he's like, boop. And he just disconnects the call. He Knows what I'm talking about.
Connor
I've seen it. He's straight, like.
Talent Operator
Because they won't speak out.
Connor
Yeah, it's illegal to. Yeah, yeah.
Talent Operator
And you have. I mean, we got to see it. In Iraq, people still had Saddam pictures up on their wall. This is well into the surge. Like Saddam been hung at this point. Nope, they won't take it down because he'll come back and kill him.
Tony Moon
Yeah, it's that mentality. Yeah. It's rule through fear.
Talent Operator
That's exactly. What would it be from a childhood. You're just fed.
Tony Moon
Yeah. That's why in the video, when they're out telling them, hey, say that Kim Jong Un is a big fat pig, the guy just froze. He couldn't say anything because he's. Yeah, he's thinking like, shit, do I say it or don't say it? And just. So you just disconnected the call.
Brandon Herrera
There was one that I got I like with like the Chinese scammers, because you could pretty quickly tell. Yeah, there was one. I can't remember if it was like, it was. They were soliciting like, hey, would you like to get like custom like toys or Legos or something like that, like of your brand, like Legos? And I said, you know, I replied because I normally I just, you know, block it or ignore it or whatever. I don't know. I was feeling froggy that day. I was like, yes, I'd actually love to. Can I get a custom LEGO set of the Tiananmen Square Massacre? No response.
Talent Operator
Red.
Brandon Herrera
Yep. Like, well, it's worth a shot, huh?
Talent Operator
Damn, who was your grandpa after the war ended? What was their perspective of watching it all in of front unfold? Like, oh, I made the right decision.
Tony Moon
Yeah. I mean, he always, he hated commies. After that he said he called him. We called them. Well, we still call them here. Right. But in Korea they call it bagging, which is like reddies reds. So we call them reds in Korea. So he's always had animosity towards them, more so than the Japanese.
Brandon Herrera
When you say it in Korean, it does sound like a slur.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I mean, I like it. The thing is right now in South Korea is like they're kind of going more towards the left, you know, and it's because of feminism, because it's a lot of the women that are pushing it because of all the whole feminism movement that happened in, in Korea. So they're basically trying to push that. And because of that, it's very becoming, very leftist. And what's interesting is that Korea is actually run by large powerful families called chaebols. These are guys that basically Samsung, Hyundai, you know, lg. Those companies. Right. Those families pretty much run Korea. It's 60.
Talent Operator
I want to say it's like 60% of the GDP.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, it's.
Tony Moon
It's a big number.
Talent Operator
Families.
Tony Moon
Yeah. And none of these families are saying anything about what's going on politically, culturally.
Brandon Herrera
How do you say Rothschilds in Korean?
Talent Operator
A lot of people don't know that they control Rothschilds.
Tony Moon
You got an Elvar
Talent Operator
the Roth Child.
Brandon Herrera
Taking me back to a Christmas story, But that's a crazy amount. 60% of the GDP with like a handful of families.
Tony Moon
Yeah. And those families aren't saying about what's going on.
Talent Operator
Those families are. They marry within each other, too. Like, it is a weird class system at that level.
Tony Moon
And that's my powerful.
Eli Doubletap
And that's why I end up down the line, being a little up.
Brandon Herrera
Oh, it never has in human history.
Eli Doubletap
End up with England or something.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Family tree looks like a telephone pole.
Tony Moon
That's. Yeah. It's wild. But. Yeah, that's why. Because of that. I mean, I don't have a preference towards socialism, capitalism, I think any sort of ism. It's basically what it is. You got a small, minor group of people that are in control, and they'll use whatever ism to keep everyone else under control. And I feel like so far, capitalism is probably the best because it allows you to basically start a business, do things. It's only when it becomes monopolized by
Brandon Herrera
huge companies, which is where you have the delineation, I think, between capitalism and corporatism.
Tony Moon
Exactly. But any sort of ism is usually, you know, punctuated with powerful families that are going to be in control on top, and they don't care what whatever the ism is, as long as they're still in power. And that's what South Korea is. And essentially that's North Korea, too. Because in North Korea, you have powerful families that. They're not part of that hierarchy. They're just way up there, you know, because they probably came up with the regime, you know, or like in South Korea, they're part of a large family.
Brandon Herrera
So in North Korea, those powerful families, are they, like, de facto affiliated with the government? Yeah.
Tony Moon
Or. Okay, Yeah. A lot of them are, because some
Talent Operator
North Korea, that is the family, like.
Brandon Herrera
Well, that's what I mean. They'd be saying affluent families in North Korea, I'm like, okay, it's just human.
Tony Moon
Human behavior. I mean, like, you take any country, you'll have families that are kind of like in the political space, you know, or, you know, they're within. Close to within the halls of power is what I say. You know, they're close enough to it where they're just not affected by the rules of whatever ism, you know, that they're living under. You know, so, like, North Korea is a good example where it's very segregated according to class, you know, so you have your own social circles. You don't move up or down from that.
Talent Operator
And you're locked in.
Tony Moon
Yeah, you're pretty locked in.
Talent Operator
It's still crazy to the rule. Was it the three generation for a crime like, oh, you fucked up, Brandon. Your grandkids will also pay that toll.
Tony Moon
Yeah. And we're gonna get your parents, too, and your uncles, and we'll just. You know what, we're just gonna get
Talent Operator
everybody that you're connected with, and that's
Tony Moon
pretty much what it is.
Talent Operator
So you won't escape or attempt. Because the second you attempt now it's, oh, if I escape North Korea, my entire family's going to be killed.
Brandon Herrera
Speaking of, like, that's. That's something I'd really like. I know we've talked about this a little bit before, but I would love to get one of those North Korean refugees or North Korean escapees on the podcast.
Talent Operator
I feel like that would be Shout out to Ina. She's trying. We're trying to make it happen. She doesn't speak the best English right now, but she escaped with her sister and she's actually in Austin right now.
Tony Moon
Oh, no.
Talent Operator
But she, again, she's like, I don't know. We have to find somebody that can speak Korean. That's why I asked. I was like, oh, how fluent? You're like, I think better Spanish than Korean.
Tony Moon
Shows from la.
Connor
Did you ever find that Cuban pilot that I want on?
Tony Moon
Dude, I try to re.
Connor
I want him on so bad, damn it. I want him on so bad. I think his name's Ornes Perez.
Brandon Herrera
Well, the one who defected.
Connor
Yeah, the one that defected. Flew a MiG into Florida, landed it on a US airstrip and escaped and turned the MiG over to the American government. They gave him citizenship. And then he had.
Tony Moon
This is in the 80s, right?
Connor
Yeah. And then he had. He had a Catholic nun smuggle a letter into his wife and kids, like, be on this country road out in the boonies at this date at this time. And then he acquired a little puddle jumper airplane and flew it from. Where's the islands we were at for your bachelor party. He flew it from Key west six feet above the water, all the way to Cuba, land on, landed on this little country road, picked up his wife and flew him back and got his whole family out.
Tony Moon
Nice.
Eli Doubletap
Holy.
Tony Moon
Nice.
Connor
Still living in America.
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Brandon Herrera
What year was this?
Connor
It's like the late 80s or early
Tony Moon
90s somewhere on there. Yeah, I remember reading an article about that that was huge because that's how we found out about the big. Right? Yeah, that's we basically, we were able to, I think, take it apart and look at it because I think American aviation was concerned about the MiG because they were hyping it up so much. So when he brought it, actually I
Connor
love the aviation history with the pissing contest between communist countries and America. It's always the communist countries come out with something new and they over inflate how good it is by like 35.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Connor
And America is like, oh, their plane's better than ours, so we make a better one. But also ours is actually better than what they were lying about. So. Oh, now we're 40 years ahead. Let's just not update the F15 for four decades. It's fine.
Talent Operator
That's the truth.
Connor
That's literally what happened with the F15. They're like, wait, you guys made a plane that can shoot down satellites? What the fuck?
Talent Operator
I've never thought about that. Even with the Abrams, how far advanced they were. I wonder if the crew was like, whoa, they can't even See us explode.
Brandon Herrera
Then you got like the Russian. I remember they were hyping that up like their, their new big super crazy, you know, Russian battle tank that like the first time they rolled it out at that parade, it stalled and they were, they. I don't think they were able to fix it.
Connor
Yeah, the Russians make better tanks in America. Insert American Bradley's UP T72s. Insert an aluminum, an aluminum armored infantry vehicle just stomping a heavy tank like the Bradleys. Yeah, sorry, yeah, Bradley's Bradley's didn't around.
Talent Operator
It was a 20 mic, 25 or
Brandon Herrera
25 I believe 25 millimeter chain guns.
Connor
The Hellfire missiles that really them up. But then they take, then they take the chain gun and they're like hey, hit all the optics on the heavy tank so they can't see anything.
Talent Operator
Ah, depleted uranium tears through everything.
Brandon Herrera
It was, well it was like the, the one there's like that Yukon Ukrainian video where it's the, the Bradley just up a main battle tank.
Tony Moon
I think I saw that and just
Brandon Herrera
like it's just, you just see the explosion every, they're all just direct impacts on the tank. It's not penetrating the armor but it's up everything on the outside. And it reminds me of that meme of the guy who's playing like CS Go or something and just continuously getting flashbanged.
Talent Operator
Oh, yep. Dude, what with the MiG thing, wasn't that the first MIG captured?
Connor
I don't know the first meg captured. Sorry, I'm looking up the stats for 73.
Tony Moon
There was a Russian guy that actually flew a MiG as well and turned. Yeah, he turned it in.
Connor
Yeah, I remember 73 Easting when the Bradleys and rolled in against Iraqi forces, took several slightly damaged vehicles, took out 160 plus Iraqi tanks. Yeah, this, the stories from 73 easting of the Bradley guys is, are insane. Like there was, there's one story they interviewed the guys, it was on history channel but it was Bradley's operating as like a forward scouting element and they came over a hill of sand and they're like oh shit. And it was just Iraqi tanks everywhere. And then they only have two it's hellfires that are fly by wire. Right.
Talent Operator
Jab javelins.
Connor
No, those aren't fly by wire. It's the fly by wires. They only have two on each toes tow missile. So yeah, toe missile fly by wire. They only have two on each one before they have to reload and to reload somebody has to get out. But it was like two Bradley's got in an engagement and took out five Iraqi tanks and then dipped and didn't get caught.
Brandon Herrera
So in easting my old shop or not shop, construction foreman. I was actually in that engagement. He was a tanker. And he, it was, it was the meme. Anytime he talk about it, he did not have ptsd. He had nostalgia. He talked about it very fondly.
Connor
Everything went exactly how I hoped it would. Correct.
Talent Operator
I never understood the wire part of the tow system.
Connor
You steer it.
Talent Operator
I know you have the screen. I did. You ever in your military or Cody, see the string everywhere?
Connor
No.
Talent Operator
Oh really?
Connor
Zach's got a great story about it though.
Brandon Herrera
If you have a direct connection, you can't jam it.
Connor
That's, that's why they're doing it with drones. That's why you see those pictures where like fields and Ukraine look like fields covered in spider webs because they're, they're using fly by wire drones now. So you can't jam them.
Talent Operator
That makes sense because over. I mean you just see gold wires, copper wires, and that's what would be like, oh, fucking TOW missiles have been here because they're just laid all over ranges or wherever they're actually getting used.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, there's entire fields in Ukraine now that it looks like there's a net over the landscape, but it's just like.
Tony Moon
Yeah, it's like fiber optics covering like homes, fields. It's crazy.
Talent Operator
No shit. Yeah, I mean it makes sense. As we've discussed how the battlefield's changing so you're going to have different systems.
Connor
But telling you, I'm still waiting for them to come out with a little 9 mil CI whiz that some grunt can just mount on rucksack.
Talent Operator
Yeah, that's what I want, man.
Connor
You know what I mean? Like imagine, hey, carry the radio and the mini cwiz. He's just got a little over his
Talent Operator
head and just the tall guy gets it every time.
Connor
Little 9 mil guy. I think it'd be awesome.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, that is funny. Give it to the tallest guy in your group.
Talent Operator
Yeah,
Connor
good idea.
Brandon Herrera
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Tony Moon
Oh boy.
Talent Operator
Oh man.
Brandon Herrera
We haven't done that.
Connor
Yeah, we haven't done that in a long time.
Tony Moon
What?
Connor
We have a, a fake superhero, you know, the Avengers. We have our own superhero group called the Offenders.
Tony Moon
The Offenders, huh?
Connor
Yeah. Where you get to pick your superpower, but your superpower has an offset and we get to pick what the offset is. So for example, I can fly, but
Eli Doubletap
in order to fly I have to shout racial slurp.
Connor
Okay, so you, you get to pick what superpower you want? And we get to come up with your offset.
Tony Moon
Okay. Wait, can we go down the line or.
Connor
Sure, sure.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah. So, so my power is. I'm like Deadpool. Like I can't be killed. But the, the offset to that is I'm constantly killing myself. So I just wake up the next day. And then, you know, if there's, I'm hanging from the ceiling fan, it's like, well, we had a bad Thursday.
Connor
I'm, I'm post nut clarity, man. So I have all the powers of like Professor Xavier from the X Men. But only for like the five minutes after I come.
Tony Moon
What?
Connor
Post not clarity. I got a nut first and then I have all the powers for that five minutes.
Talent Operator
We need a solution. We have to save the world. Nick, wait. Is a lot of pressure.
Brandon Herrera
We have to save the kids. No, Nick. Now this time.
Talent Operator
So much stress. And then I am the Brown Street Co. Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Crime co. Yeah, I think you changed yours super speed.
Talent Operator
Yeah, I like the Flash. But then I cannot interact with anything or object for about five minutes. So I can show up to stop a crime. It's gonna happen for five more minutes. Before I can help anyone though.
Connor
He's just gotta stand there and watch.
Talent Operator
Five minutes.
Tony Moon
Crime.
Talent Operator
Crime.
Eli Doubletap
Okay, so you, you choose your superpower and then we pick the offset.
Tony Moon
All right. I, I, I'm going to be like, you guys know Colossus from Marvel? Steel. Steel skin.
Talent Operator
Yeah.
Tony Moon
So that'll be my superpower. Like I can turn my skin into steel. What's my offset? I'm going use the restroom. Is that okay?
Talent Operator
Can I.
Brandon Herrera
No.
Eli Doubletap
You're giving us time to think about this. Tony.
Talent Operator
I like this.
Connor
It ought to automatically does it near black people or not.
Brandon Herrera
Oh, no.
Talent Operator
Oh my God. Yes.
Brandon Herrera
It only works on a roof.
Talent Operator
I do. Like, it's just people just think he's racist because it looks like he's defending himself. Anytime he goes to help, like locking your door,
Eli Doubletap
he turns it around.
Tony Moon
Metal.
Talent Operator
Not.
Brandon Herrera
I'm sorry. It just does this. It just does this.
Talent Operator
You're rolling the window.
Brandon Herrera
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Talent Operator
That's it, Nick. Good job having control of it.
Connor
So we said it. You, you can, you can do it. You can become steel whenever you want. But it works automatically near black people. Everybody's just going to assume you're super racist.
Tony Moon
So I can only turn it to steel skin. No.
Talent Operator
Anytime. Anytime you want.
Connor
But it happens automatically outside of your control. Anytime a black person walks up. Like Connor said, it's like locking your doors in a parking Lot. So everybody's just gonna assume you're racist. Thank you, everyone.
Talent Operator
A little black kid runs up.
Brandon Herrera
The crowd's just instantly superhero version of clutching your purse.
Talent Operator
It's not me. Yeah, you don't walk on the other side of the street.
Tony Moon
That's cool. I like that. All right, cool.
Eli Doubletap
Grocery store. The teller's black. He walks up to insert his car and looks up and shooting.
Talent Operator
It just turns off when the door closes. Black guy's just watching it. Racist. Good job, Nick. That's a real good.
Tony Moon
I like the offset. It works, Tony. I see.
Connor
This is a complete win.
Brandon Herrera
Jesus Christ.
Talent Operator
Holy.
Brandon Herrera
We haven't done the offenders in a while.
Talent Operator
Oh, man. There's some good skits in that one. What else? So now you do also martial arts. You're big into impact mma.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I did a big into Water bottle, You know, Depends podcast with Jake. Jake Shields. That was cool. I had a good time with that.
Talent Operator
Oh, no.
Tony Moon
Yeah. And then I did podcasts with Miller. Mayhem Miller from Bully Beat.
Connor
Bully Beat Down. Yeah.
Tony Moon
He's a cool guy, and we had a good time doing that. But, yeah, I do mma.
Brandon Herrera
A bunch of those MMA guys have podcasts now.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's where everybody's kind of going, right? Doing podcasts and whatnot.
Talent Operator
So it is a very. A lot of people do it now. It is crazy how many podcasts are out there.
Connor
Microphones are cheap.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
What the. It's the meme of, like, with all the podcasts popping up, it's like, I truly believe there should be higher restrictions and background checks on buying a podcast microphone than a gun.
Talent Operator
Well, how long have you been doing martial arts or what?
Tony Moon
Since I was, like, seven.
Connor
Which ones?
Tony Moon
Yeah, I did Taekwondo. I did Muay Thai. I did Wing chun. I don't know if you guys remember with that. That's Bruce Lee. Yeah, I did. I do Kali Escrima, which is the Filipino martial art.
Brandon Herrera
It's the one where you said it's a.
Tony Moon
The blade.
Talent Operator
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Tony Moon
And. Yeah. And it's grappling.
Brandon Herrera
I mean, was that what Rambo did in the beginning of Rambo 3?
Tony Moon
Yeah, that's Kali.
Brandon Herrera
Okay.
Tony Moon
Or Escrima. Depends.
Talent Operator
I didn't even know that.
Eli Doubletap
Eskimo.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
Like, he's, like, doing the little cage fighting.
Tony Moon
Yeah. With the two sticks. Yeah, yeah, that's. Yeah, that's. It's Filipino martial arts.
Talent Operator
Like, Taekwondo's Korean.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Talent Operator
Like powder. I remember that way back in the day.
Brandon Herrera
It's your people.
Talent Operator
No, Filipino. Filipino, but Korean is Taekwondo.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, yeah.
Tony Moon
Yeah, yeah.
Talent Operator
The Koreans look down on Filipinos.
Tony Moon
Yeah, they do. No, I don't. But. No, that's. They do.
Talent Operator
Skin turns to metal.
Brandon Herrera
You're a what?
Tony Moon
Close enough. No, but. No, there's a. In Asia, there's like, you know, like, East Asians, like Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, they kind of form their own. They're like, okay, we're East Asians. They look down on everybody else. Not all of us, but some of them do. And there was this whole thing in. I think it was between South Koreans and some. Some people from, like. I think it was like, Malaysia, Indonesia, because there was a K pop concert, and some Korean photographers were taking pictures and stuff, and they were in the way, and they were telling them, like, hey, you're in the way. And they're like, you shut up, man. You know Korean photographers? Yeah, because they were taking, like, you know, K pop videos, right?
Talent Operator
Videographers or whatever. No, he's Asian photographer.
Connor
What?
Talent Operator
Common mood.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Brandon Herrera
So I didn't know they had those.
Tony Moon
So there was this whole beef between the two, like, Southeast Asians and East Asians. I mean, but whatever, you know, that's what spurred it. I guess that's what's for. Yeah, I mean, I didn't dig too, too deep into it because I just, like. It's just whatever. But yeah, this kind of like, someone got offended because of the photographer. And then there's this whole beef between Southeast Asians and Asians and East Asians. And. Yeah, I try to stay away from that stuff.
Talent Operator
Asians are very racist against each other,
Brandon Herrera
but in my book, pretty much everybody, actually.
Talent Operator
Yeah. Only white people are racist. No, I assure you, dude, I'm super hyper racist.
Brandon Herrera
It's the thank you for saying that. In frame with me. Appreciate was like the Bobby Lee thing where he talked about the. The. The Koreans where he's just like, oh, yeah. Well, like, you white people, you're the ones, you know, you had slaves. Like, Koreans never had slaves. And then they Googled it, and it's like Korea had the longest unbroken chain of slavery in the world.
Tony Moon
History. You know what's interesting? Because we all look alike in Korea, right? I mean. Right? We all look alike.
Talent Operator
You can say it.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I can say it.
Talent Operator
Cody. No.
Eli Doubletap
You guys Chinese this entire time?
Tony Moon
We can all say it. But I'm just saying, like, in Korea, the reason. The way you distinguish someone from a slave class or from. Was by the last name. So if you had a particular last name, that's how they would denote you as from the slave class. If you had another Last name. You like, aristocratic class or the merchant class or whatever. So it was very common to have certain slave names that were, like, you know, prevalent in Korea, you know, so.
Connor
And is there still like any trickle down to, like, modern day where it's still, like, frowned upon to have that?
Tony Moon
No, not really. I mean, maybe 30 years ago, during my dad's time, a little bit, you know, still.
Brandon Herrera
That's very racy.
Tony Moon
But, yeah, Korea had slaves for a long time.
Talent Operator
God damn.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Talent Operator
What got you into martial arts out the gate?
Tony Moon
Oh, I got into a lot of fights as a kid, so my dad was like, hey, why don't you go learn something, you know? And plus, I grew up in a largely Hispanic Mexican neighborhood because my dad owned a store in Boyle Heights, which is like the armpit of east la.
Connor
Go learn Escrima.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Tony Moon
So knife fight. Once he got that store, I was fighting pretty much every kid for two years. Like every other kid for at least a couple years.
Brandon Herrera
That kind of ties into what I was going to ask about earlier, because you had kind of implied you're like, I knew how the police operated. Like, I knew a lot of stuff about the police because of the things I did beforehand. It didn't seem like you were implying you were part of the Junior Police Association.
Tony Moon
I wasn't. Okay. Yeah. I mean, what the. When the book comes out, it'll. It'll outline a lot of stuff. But yeah, it just. Like it was the 90s. I mean, you guys, GTA 5 San Andreas, like, it was built, you know, about the 90s. Yeah, it was the 90s.
Talent Operator
So violence.
Tony Moon
Yeah, everyone was involved with something, you know, I mean, LAPD, like 98 Rampart, you know that, you know, they were LAPD at that time, was very different than LAPD now. And you had guys that were in the academy in the 60s and 70s, that were in the force in the 80s and 90s, and they had a whole different mindset in terms of how they dealt with, you know, just the public, especially, like a lot of the street gangs that were out at that time, you know, so when the. When the riots happened, I mean, it was wild because every few blocks you had a squad car. You know, you had a heavy LAPD presence in the 90s at that time. And then when the riots happened, you had no presence at all.
Talent Operator
How long did that. No presence. That's also a wild thought process where just no one's going to help you other than the community, easily for about three, four days.
Tony Moon
National Guard. National Guard came on the weekend. They came On Saturday. So from about Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, maybe even part of Saturday. And there was like, no police presence.
Connor
One of my favorite stories is when they. They were getting the Marine Corps ready to go in for the LA riots.
Tony Moon
I don't know this story.
Connor
They were, they were training. It was a training incident, so nothing actually bad happened, but they were training the Marines that were trained in riot control to cooperate with the police force. And there's some cultural differences between the two. And during a fire exercise, some of the police officers instructed the Marines to cover me.
Brandon Herrera
Oh.
Connor
At which point the Marine said, copy and then proceed to light that bitch the up. Because cover me to a Marine and cover me to a police officer are two different things. So there's just a story of like, let's not open up with the saw. If I say cover me, we need to come up with a different term, apparently.
Brandon Herrera
What the fuck did they mean with COVID me? Just watch. Yeah, just overwatch.
Connor
I don't know. But it wasn't get the 240 up.
Talent Operator
Well, make these. Make the machine guns talk, keep their heads down.
Brandon Herrera
I would say, yeah, that's a pretty severe cultural difference.
Talent Operator
Cody, when would you say cover me as a police officer?
Eli Doubletap
No, it's the same exact thing. Like watch someone with a firearm.
Connor
Are you watch, not fire?
Eli Doubletap
Yeah, no, no, I never said cover me.
Connor
Okay.
Talent Operator
I was wondering about that.
Brandon Herrera
Like, it's just like, hey, watch my six or something like that. Like.
Eli Doubletap
Yeah, yeah, Wouldn't be lay down indirect
Tony Moon
fire,
Brandon Herrera
have a good old mortar up.
Talent Operator
So with that, how was the evening with just no police presence? I'm just trying to. It's those little things I don't think people think about. It's like at night when you're still sleeping, chaos is happening all around.
Tony Moon
Yeah. So you're just watching gunshots are going off constantly, like during that week.
Talent Operator
And are you. Do you have a, like, parent or a family member just staying up, watching the house just to make sure it stays secure? Or were you like, oh, we're safe because we're in a neighborhood.
Tony Moon
Yeah, we're safe when we're in a neighborhood. It's mainly the commercial retail areas that were affected. So a lot of, like, liquor stores. In my book, I talk about this place, place called Fredericks of Hollywood. Lingerie place that got broken into, stealing lingerie during this time. I mean, it's just chaotic. I mean, just people. If there's an opening to go into a store to take, like, that's what they were going to do. And it had nothing to do with like, you know, being upset about Rodney King. It was just opportunity, you know, because, because there's no more social order, no police presence. You're left to your own devices. You can do whatever you want. So people kind of lose their mind and do shit that they normally wouldn't do. And that's what I saw that week. You know, people, people going into a liquor store, coming out with bottles and you look at them, they just look like regular people. I mean, you wouldn't think that they're transients or anything. They just look like the guy who lives up the street. So when you have that, that order breakdown, then people pretty much, you know, they go on their own instinct, their own whims, whatever they want to do. And I think that's where the shooting was in Koreatown, because you had a group of immigrants, young immigrant men that were basically coming from a place where they just went through a civil war in El Salvador. So they have a different mentality coming into la and then when they see there's no order or police, I mean they're pretty much going to do whatever they want to do.
Talent Operator
Yeah, especially coming to El Salvador at that time you had Ms. 13 cell phone. That would kill you for a cell phone. And it's, they value human life completely different than a first world country. So chaos has happened, like, oh, I can kill these people. I'm not worried about, I might get in trouble. Yeah, I have what I want.
Tony Moon
And these guys that came in from El Salvador, Ms. They changed the landscape in terms of gang warfare in the 90s because they didn't give a. Yeah, they were shooting at cops. Lapd.
Talent Operator
Oh, like that, Openly shooting at cops.
Tony Moon
This was like unheard of back then. This is why LAPD kind of got heavy handed as well during that time too.
Talent Operator
Could you imagine experience that you're the LEO here. Imagine going through that shit.
Eli Doubletap
Oh, we would be taking people's shoes and throwing them in the fucking storm drains, dude.
Talent Operator
What does that mean? Like, break that down for me.
Eli Doubletap
I'm like, if you're, if you're, if, if your homeboys want to shoot at us, if we pull you over for a simple traffic thing and we know you're related to these guys, we're going to take your Jordans and we're going to throw them in a storm drain.
Talent Operator
No shit.
Eli Doubletap
Like we're going to be mean to you. You want to be mean to us, we're going to be mean to you back. Yes, it's a respect thing. We know you're Doing your game. We're going to do our game, but if you fucking want to escalate situations, we're going to be very, very mean to you guys.
Talent Operator
Just like a no win situation because it's all just. And then everyone's just smack dab in the middle, like.
Brandon Herrera
Cool.
Talent Operator
It's fucking great. What was the thing that stopped it all?
Tony Moon
I think everybody just kind of worked it all out of their system by Friday, Saturday. And plus the National Guard showed up on the weekend. And then we found out the National Guard, their. Their clip was empty. They had no, no ammo. They were just standing around with empty rifles.
Talent Operator
Wait, what?
Tony Moon
Yeah, yeah, standing around with empty rifles. But it was basically just more of a show for force because they came with Humvees as well and they're. They're in the. Parked in the middle of an intersection.
Brandon Herrera
Did they have live ammo, like on their case?
Tony Moon
No, they didn't have live ammo.
Brandon Herrera
Oh, geez.
Tony Moon
From what I heard and understood, they didn't have live ammo that weekend. Maybe they got it afterwards, but like by the weekend it was pretty much over. And then there was a huge.
Brandon Herrera
That just sounds dangerous.
Talent Operator
It makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
Tony Moon
This is part of the challenges that we have with a lot of the leadership in the city and in the, in the county as well, you know. And then there was a protest march on Sunday that weekend. All of the Korean community came out and they basically walked Koreatown to protest against what was happening. This is actually my first protest that I went to and there was a young kid that died around my age. It was like he was a year younger than he was 18. His name was Eddie Lee and he was shot by friendly fire by guys. And the reason why he was shot is because he was dressed in a particular way. He was wearing a white T shirt, blue jeans, and he was wearing Nike Cortez. He looked like one of the Hispanic gang members. So because of that, I think he was mistaken. It was. He got shot around dusk. So they couldn't make out who he was, that he was coming to help, but they ended up shooting him. So it was an accident.
Talent Operator
That's what kind of turned the tide.
Tony Moon
Well, no, it didn't turn the tide.
Brandon Herrera
Well, did.
Talent Operator
How was that? Because it was friendly fire. Did it like escalate or. Oh, we need to, we need to de. Escalate.
Tony Moon
We didn't know. I didn't know about this until the day of the, the protest when we were walking, when we found out, like, he got shot because this is pre Internet, pre. Just information, you know, quick, quick information. Right. You don't find out about stuff until like a few days later.
Talent Operator
This is the news. That's what's wild about this. I couldn't imagine it during the age of social media where you can post it and talk about it or spread that. The chaos. I mean, Summer of Love, you've talked. We've talked about a ton. And all the coverage it got that's just. Is you saying organic chaos.
Connor
So you would classify this as a mostly peaceful protest?
Tony Moon
Which one?
Connor
All of it.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Using CNN standard definition. Yes, using the CNN definition. It was mostly peaceful protest.
Brandon Herrera
Most of the city wasn't on fire.
Tony Moon
Yeah, most of the city wasn't on fire. Yeah. It was hard to ignore because once the fire started going up on Wednesday, Thursday, and then by Thursday, the whole city and the whole. Whole county was kind of covered in a layer of smoke. You smelled it when you got out of your, you know, walked out of your house. Then you'll hear occasional gunshots here and there, and then it'll pick up towards the evening, more shots. And I know for a fact that a lot of scores between rival gangs were settled that week as well, because, you know, there was no police presence and they weren't going to do a, you know, they weren't going to do an investigation.
Brandon Herrera
Literal fog of war.
Tony Moon
Exactly. Yeah.
Connor
Bro.
Talent Operator
I did not realize, like the fight. You're not joking. On fires, like, they burnt that shit to the.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah.
Tony Moon
Ground.
Talent Operator
I didn't know it was that bad with the fires.
Tony Moon
No.
Brandon Herrera
And, you know, California, Southern California, notoriously good at handling fires.
Talent Operator
So good. Like, holy fuck.
Tony Moon
Yeah. And just a side point, during the 2020 BLM riots, they avoided Koreatown altogether.
Brandon Herrera
Well, once bitten.
Talent Operator
Did they?
Tony Moon
Yeah, they did.
Brandon Herrera
Purposely.
Tony Moon
They avoided Korea town.
Talent Operator
Wild. That's what happens. What I wonder how the gun laws changed since then. If just still being in Korean town, trying to defend your place, but all the new rules into effect.
Tony Moon
I think, you know what, when you have a situation that's like, out of the ordinary, then you have to have special circumstances that cover this out of the ordinary circumstance, you know, this. This situation that you're in. And I think it's hard to prosecute someone who's basically doing something that's going to, you know. You know, it's for their own livelihood, for their own survival, you know, so it'll be hard to prosecute that, I think. And anyone that's going through a situation like that in terms of a riot or, you know, chaos I mean, I would always advocate to defend yourself. I don't give a fuck about the gun laws. You know, like you gotta defend yourself because, you know, honestly, like if you don't defend your own family and your neighborhood, who's gonna do it? The cops? I mean, no offense, but the cops. The cops aren't gonna do it. Nowadays the cops are just there to write a report. They actually want to get there late because they don't want to encounter the crime. So they can just be there and write the report and that's kind of what we're relegated to. Now in California I'm. Texas, I'm sure is different, but in California that's where we're relegated to. But my mentality has always been the same. I mean, I don't give a, you know, honestly if someone's coming at me. I don't give a what the gun laws are. You know, they're coming after me and my family or they're going to try to harm me. I want to make sure I take them out before they take me out. Regardless, it's with a gun or my hands or whatever, you know, it's water bottles.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, well, it's kind of become a like a cringe bumper sticker statement. But I mean it's still like it holds true.
Talent Operator
True.
Brandon Herrera
It's the, the saying like it's better to be carried by. Judged by 12 than carried by six.
Tony Moon
Six. Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah. No, I, I think, yeah, it's cliche, but it makes sense. A lot of sense.
Brandon Herrera
Yeah, the sentiment's still true.
Tony Moon
Yeah, it is.
Talent Operator
Cody talks like highly of just the. How would you approach that, Cody? Like walking into that situation where they defended their family. Are you still enforcing the federal law or the state laws at that point? When it's clear as day what's. Because it's officer discretionary. That's what I'm wondering.
Eli Doubletap
There's not a lot of officer discretion there. There's not much, there's not much a B cop could do like going in, investigating, something like that.
Connor
I have a question for you. Just because I'm not sure, but I think this is how it works. I'm asking if I'm correct. Like I think if a cop shows up to like a self defense shooting at a house or whatever from the cops. Because my understanding is like you could be on this person's side. Like if I, if I shot somebody that broke into my house, I tell you what happened. You're like, yeah, this makes complete sense. I believe this guy. Everything he's saying adds up. Nothing should happen to this guy, but the DA is a dickhead. The DA can still come after me. And then I could, like, go to you and be like, hey, will you testify on my behalf? You were the cop that showed up first, and the DA can just not allow it. Even if you think I'm in the right, or is that am I wrong, and you could testify on my behalf.
Eli Doubletap
It all comes down to facts. There's no officer discretion after the fact. But me personally, if I went into that situation, I saw that you defended yourself. I would be as vague as I could on the report, to be honest.
Connor
But I'm just saying, because it all comes down to, like, basically, can the
Brandon Herrera
D A block you from testifying?
Connor
Yeah, I'm not sure at that point. Like, even. Even if you're not trying to me, like, you're genuinely on my side, like, anything I tell you, the D A can still use against me. And twist.
Tony Moon
Yeah.
Connor
Even if it's not how you interpret it it or what you meant when you wrote it in the report.
Eli Doubletap
I don't think the DA the right to remain silent. Also.
Talent Operator
Yeah, we've seen some weird things.
Tony Moon
Well, I mean, like, dude, we had Gascon, which is like a D A for a long time. You know, this guy let everything go, you know. So, yeah, the DA has a lot to do with prosecuting these criminals, you know, and that's kind of the problem that we had. We had a DA that wasn't doing his job. It was Soros funded. You know, a lot of these DAs are funded by Soros, and they're put purposely to let crime run rampant.
Brandon Herrera
I mean, they'll go after guys like us, but when it comes to somebody who's held up 18 liquor stores, you know, it's tough on the list.
Tony Moon
That's the whole thing about gun laws. They don't apply to criminals, you know, and, yeah, it's only guys like us, you know, so, yeah, hopefully my book, I'll be able to kind of take a stand on that as well in terms of talking about gun laws and how they only really apply to, you know, the average Joe Jane citizen versus the criminal who basically has no care whatsoever.
Brandon Herrera
You know, I don't think you'll find any arguments here.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I know. But I mean, I think.
Brandon Herrera
Sorry. I know you got a heart out.
Tony Moon
Yeah, I know.
Talent Operator
Yeah. No, but. So what's your. What's your. What's the book? What's the title of the book?
Tony Moon
It's Rooftop Korean.
Talent Operator
Boom.
Tony Moon
Yeah. Rooftop Korean. It's publisher is Wargate. Really great guys. Ex military, just like you guys. They're just on on top of it and they just tell me where to go, what to do.
Talent Operator
Right, we already know that Amazon. Where can you purchase or pre order
Tony Moon
it at from Wargate themselves? They tell me that if it goes through Amazon they get a smaller cut because of Amazon. And Amazon has like some deal about like sometimes they'll return pallets of books like I don't know, just. They said it's easier if you just order from them directly. So for more gate so website, it's on my Twitter page. You can also go to Wargate on my X handle. I'm sorry, on my X handle. Like I have the link there as well.
Brandon Herrera
Which is at Roof Korean 7.
Tony Moon
Yeah, Roof Korean 7. My name Tony Moon. Yeah.
Talent Operator
And is that where everyone can find you? Just Twitter.
Tony Moon
That's the only. Like I have an Instagram but I'm just like I don't use it as much or often. You know, I should. But yeah, X is probably the best place to find me.
Brandon Herrera
Plus it's a lot more fun.
Tony Moon
It is a lot more fun.
Talent Operator
Dude, we truly appreciate you.
Tony Moon
Well, thank you for having me on.
Talent Operator
Yeah, Cody's gonna close this out.
Eli Doubletap
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Talent Operator
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Host: The Unsubscribe Crew (Eli Doubletap, Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator, The Fat Electrician)
Guest: Tony Moon ("The Roof Korean")
This episode dives deep into the rarely told first-hand account of the 1992 Los Angeles Rodney King Riots, giving particular focus to the Korean-American experience, the origin and evolution of the "Roof Korean" meme, and the realities of community self-defense. Tony Moon, known online as "Roof Korean," shares his personal story as a 19-year-old during the riots, offers context on race relations, and discusses his journey to public voice, activism, and his forthcoming book about those chaotic days.
The conversation also branches into topics like gun control laws, generational political shifts, North/South Korea, and modern civil disorder, all with the Unsubscribe panel’s irreverent humor, casual banter, and internet-savvy style.
"I didn't know what a roof Korean was up until 2021, I'll be honest." (Tony Moon, 10:14)
"Stores in South Central... were peppered like islands. Firefighters that tried to go there... were being shot at." (Tony Moon, 17:49)
"If you don't defend your own family and your neighborhood, who's gonna do it? The cops? ...They're just there to write a report." (Tony Moon, 117:36)
"It became like that symbol for standing up and defending your community." (Brandon Herrera, 28:27)
"During the 2020 BLM riots, they avoided Koreatown altogether." (Tony Moon, 115:59)
"I went to D.C. in January... had a good time there. It's nothing like what they described in the media." (Tony Moon, 36:37)
"If we don't [speak up], within a couple generations, you're gonna have kids that aren’t gonna remember anything in terms of the First Amendment, Second Amendment." (Tony Moon, 65:33)
“I don't have a preference towards socialism, capitalism... any ism; it’s a minor group of people in control. Capitalism is probably the best because it allows you to start a business.” (Tony Moon, 86:25)
On defending the neighborhood:
"If you don't defend your own family and your neighborhood, who's gonna do it? The cops? ...They're just there to write a report."
— Tony Moon [117:36]
On the origins of his online persona:
"I didn't know what a roof Korean was up until 2021, I'll be honest."
— Tony Moon [10:14]
On Second Amendment history:
"The founding fathers didn't just finish up winning a war against deer."
— Brandon Herrera [66:31]
On the meme of "Roof Koreans":
"It became like that symbol for standing up and defending your community."
— Brandon Herrera [28:27]
Reflecting on generational change:
"It's the first generation to be more conservative than their parents. You should hear them on Discord..."
— Connor [56:46]
On police/Feds after J6:
"They were crawling over all my social media... since August and I just found out about it in November."
— Tony Moon [39:21]
On violence, chaos, and the absence of law enforcement:
"You had a heavy LAPD presence in the 90s... and then when the riots happened, you had no presence at all."
— Tony Moon [107:17]
On the insanity of state borders and gun laws:
"I live 30 miles from the Minnesota border. I can't legally carry in Minnesota, but I can legally carry in Iowa."
— Connor [64:09]
On chaos and opportunism:
"People lose their mind and do shit that they normally wouldn't do."
— Tony Moon [110:58]
On the irrationality of criminal justice enforcement:
"The whole thing about gun laws — they don't apply to criminals, you know, and, yeah, it's only guys like us."
— Tony Moon [120:15]
Humor and Tone:
As always, the Unsubscribe Podcast approaches grave subjects (violence, politics, identity) with tongue-in-cheek banter, in-jokes, and casual profanity. The interview is candid, sometimes raw, and brimming with both historical insight and modern social critique.
Where to Find Tony Moon and His Work:
Summary prepared for those who want to understand the real story of the LA Riots as lived by a “Roof Korean,” the evolution of a meme into a movement, and how history, community, and personal agency intersect in the American story.