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Big Tech Wanted ‘Clean Energy.’ Ohio Gave Natural Gas | Rep. Troy Balderon
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We have “100 years of natural gas below our feet” is Rep. Troy Balderon’s, R-Ohio, appraisal of the energy situation in his home state.
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Well, hello, ladies and hello, gentlemen, and welcome to Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. Lass, there is no Victor with us. As you all know, he's recovering from major surgery and he is indeed recovering. But he has asked that this show continue. And he said, Jack, only have important people on that can talk about important things. So pinch hitting today for Victor Davis Hansen is the great congressman from Ohio, Troy Balderson, who is the energy man in the House of Representatives. And we're thrilled to have him here with us. We're recording on, by the way, on Wednesday the 4th. This episode will be up on Tuesday the 10th. And we're going to. I have five questions. That's our format. I might stumble into six or seven, you never know. But I'm going to ask Congressman Balderson five questions about energy and I'll, I will introduce him formally and we'll get to the questions when we come back from these important messages.
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Since the founding of America 250 years ago, many things have changed, but some things never do. The commitment of husband and wife, the importance of passing along our values to our children. The faithfulness of God. Some wonder how we can ensure America will continue to thrive as long as we keep. First things first. We've only just begun. America the Beautiful.
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We are back with Victor Davis Hanson in his own words and Congressman Troy Balderson of the 12th district in Ohio. Congressman, by the way, you were. You won a special election. Yes. Is that how you got into.
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I did. And good morning. Thanks for having me, Jack. Yes, I won a special election in 2018.
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Is that a nail biter or Pardon me, Was that a nail biter or was it.
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Yes, every special election is a nail biter. It's challenging to get turnout. And ours was a little bit even more unique because we had four elections in six months. I had two. I had a special primary, then I had a normal primary, and then I had a special general election and then a general election in November.
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Okay.
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Well. Wow.
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Well, you are. I'll let our listeners. You are a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. That's the only committee you're on. But if I was going to be on only one committee, I think it would be that one. Because you cover energy, healthcare, telecom.
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Yeah. It's the broadest jurisdiction committee in Congress. And we're very honored and blessed to serve on the greatest committee in Congress.
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You're the pride of Zanesville, Ohio. You are. You worked on the family farm. And as you know, Victor Davis Hansen is a farmer. He grew raisins. I don't think you grew raisins.
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I did not. Cattle a little different.
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Yeah. And I think most importantly, you are the chairman of the House Energy Action Team known as Heat. You are considered the leading voice on energy policy for House Republicans. And that's pretty dang important given how vital energy is to absolutely everything in this world economy, flourishing, national security, et cetera. So I have a couple questions here, as you know, and we're going to. I do have to read one ad, folks. We have some bills to pay, but that's a good thing. But let's get started with a question. So, Congressman, your district includes the Marcellus Shale, which has been a boon for the Ohio economy and the world and the American economy, of course, because of hydraulic fracturing. And your friend, my friend, the late Karen Wright, who ran Ariel Corporation, the world's greatest manufacturer of gas compressors in your district. She hated the word fracking. That's how we all. Well, most people use the term hated it for good reason because it sounds like you're breaking or it sounds like some other naughty thing. So it's a leftist term, but I will not use fracking. We use hydraulic fracturing. So, you know, the Marcellus Shale extends from Ohio through West Virginia into Pennsylvania. And even it's a significant part of it in but exploration of that great resource is banned there for ideological reasons, keeping the local economy poor there. Anyway, Congressman, about your district. Can you tell us how energy extraction benefits the local economy as is the case in Ohio, and if you can share anything that you know of people living on one edge of Marcellus exploration versus others, how the economies differ from those who take advantage of it and those who do not.
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Yeah, Jack, it's pretty significant difference from southeastern Ohio to central Ohio, which that's what makes this district really unique. We represent, you know, from the Columbus in the center of the state and we go all the way to the Ohio river where predominantly the Utica Shale and Marcellus Shale is is in play right now. The, you know, the boom started in 2010. That was during the time frame that the Biden, excuse me, the Obama admin. As starting to close coal mines and coal fired plants. So these communities in that southeast Appalachia region were greatly impacted by the job loss. And in 2010 when the Utica and Marcellus was founded to be there, it brought back great pride to those communities as local producers were starting to get into the chill and play and it just expanded from there and you know, starting to give back to everyone and it's just not the Drilling, that is the economic process. There's the restaurants, the, you know, we talked about, you know, my past having automobile dealerships, the repair shops, the tire shops, all those things. The hotels, everything, you know, started to come into play and started to boom and bring you back. I mean, I remember, I thought like, wow, we're building too many hotels here. I mean hotels were going up everywhere along Interstate 70 and Interstate 77. But it was for good reason. The, you know, I've shared with you in the past talking about there was a lady that, you know, it brings out entrepreneurship and what they do. There was a lady that, I can't remember the exact name of it, but it was a maids something, you know, oil rig maids or something. But they would go, you know, to the drill sites and make sure that the workers there had clean beds, clean sheets, all their laundry was done and it was really nice. So those were some of the really positive things that happened during the play.
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When it first started, nobody would have thought of Ohio as a bastion of world energy before this was discovered. Were you representing, I know you served in the state legislature before. Were you serving in the legislature at the time this discovery happened? I know you're from the area anyway, so at some point it becomes news to the locals like we're sitting on this monstrous opportunity here.
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So yeah, and you know, where I grew up predominantly and as I said, you know, we were Chrysler Dodge dealership, so we sold a lot of Dodge trucks to producers there. But it was predominantly Clinton wells, which are, you know, a little bit more shallow and Rose Run wells. But yeah, in 2010 I was in the state legislature, had the opportunity to serve on energy. I was the chair of energy and utilities for eight years in the state legislature and the Ohio Senate. And the growth period of that time really enabled me to be part of everything that was happening. And you brought up Pennsylvania and West Virginia, myself and the PUCO chairman, the Department of Natural Resources, the high epa. I mean we traveled to Pennsylvania, we traveled to West Vir, you know, working with those states too, making sure, you know, we didn't duplicate or making sure that we didn't over regulate what was happening in Ohio. So it's been a blessing for me to be part of this from the very beginning, from the deep well drilling as to where we are now as we move forward and now being a member of Congress and as you said, serving on the as chairman of the House Energy Action Team.
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Well, we're going to get a little more into that a little later. I do have to Tell people about water. Now we're talking about natural gas and oil, but I'm going to talk about water. By the way, I came home very late last night. I don't drink. I do not drink. But when I came in my home at 11:30, I was at an event in New York City. What I wanted was water. And if you're watching this on YouTube as opposed to listening, maybe you can see behind me over my left shoulder. There's a kind of machine there, and that's a Cove Pure machine. And it's become my go to for everything. Most people have it in their kitchen. I have it in my office because that's where I want it. That's where I want to drink. And when I get the water, there's a reservoir in that thing. And I pour water into a kettle in the kitchen sink, and you can smell the chloride and whatever funk coming out of the water we have here in Connecticut. But when it comes out of the COVID Pure, it's delicious. So I want to tell folks, you know, everyone jumps into the new year, and we're still early in 2012, 2026. Excuse me, 2012. Everyone jumps into the new year buying new supplements, trying a new diet, workouts. But they completely ignore the most important basic thing, and that's water. Even mild hydration impacts energy, focus and metabolism. And when you think about all the garbage that's in our water, you're starting behind the curve even before you begin. But Cove Pure changes that immediately. Their Clearwave technology is certified to remove up to 99% of contaminants. Pretty much anything that isn't water. PFAS, microplastics, pharmaceutical residue, fluoride for all I know. Sticks, twigs, grass, all of it, anything, it gets removed. It's the purest water you can get. The water here in Connecticut, it's funky. This is what I love about cold pure. You know, the same water supposed to taste delicious. I like water that doesn't have any taste. It's certainly refreshing. And by the way, cold water, hot. You want to make tea, it makes tea. Press the button size. You want to change how much water you want. Six ounces, one ounce, 16 ounces, Coke Pure is the thing to get. Okay, now I have to read the final note here. Shouldn't have put my paper down, Congressman. Yeah, Co Pure makes it so good. Easy to get water with the push of a button. So this year, make a New Year's resolution that sticks. Improve your health with clean water. Right now you can get $200 off for a limited time. If you use our link, that's covpure.com VDH, which stands for Victor Davis Hansen. Let me spell that. Covpure c o v e P-U-R-E.com VDH to start the new year. Right. We thank the good people from Covpure for sponsoring Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. Congressman Troy Balderson, deeply appreciative again that you're here with us, pinch hitting for Victor, who, by the way, I told him yesterday you were gonna be doing this. And he is very appreciative. And I know he's a fan of all that you've done. We've talked about some of your legislation on previous episodes. We're gonna talk about him again later. But I have one of these long winded type of Jack Valor questions you're just gonna have to endure here. So here it goes. It seems left that with energy comes actual generated power, and with power comes economic growth. And with that comes an escape from poverty and oppression. And you could see instances, everyone's seen these satellite images. South Korea, North Korea. One's black, the other's ablaze. You look at, say, South Africa generally, it has relative impoverishment, and there are a number of factors for that, but surely cheap, accessible, reliable energy is atop of that. Congressman, you know, recently we. And we had recorded this, folks, you gotta know we recorded. And the gods of high tech killed.
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The killed podcast guys.
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Yeah, he killed it. But when we first recorded this, Davos had just happened. And I wanted to present to the congressman this idea of being able to speak to a crowd of these kind of influencers, not to chastise them. Look at you fat cats in your private jets and you're complaining about, you know, green stuff. But if you could talk to them as a happy warrior, not hectoring, what would you tell the assembled elites of the world about the broad benefits of unleashed energy, of drill, baby, drill. But not only drill, baby, drill. How would you educate the assembled at Davos or some such kind of a forum about the profound consequence of the kind of energy America produces?
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It's a great question, and I've taken much thought into this and how we've changed the narrative and what we talk about when we talk about energy, energy dominance? I mean, it's more than just drill, baby, drill. I mean, there's a whole lot more to it than just that phrase. Obviously, that phrase is very important. But we've been having communications with the AI Boom. That's happening here. I talked about part of this congressional district that we represent, you know, central Ohio is now becoming you. There's a lot of data center activity there. We also have the intel facility that is being built as we speak in the 12th congressional district. And you know the discussions that we've been having with those, we have an investment of $300 million of an Amgen, which is a pharmaceutical company. All right there. Those need a lot of power. Andro has just made is building a manufacturing base there for the military drone operations. Big up and growing company there. So, you know, all the data centers and some of those that go to Davos, the Googles of the world, the Microsofts of the world, you know, they kept saying, we want clean energy. Well, we're giving them clean energy, natural gas. And Natural gas is 98% carbon free. You know that I'm probably speaking to the choir here with the audience that you or I are speaking to today. But making them understand that and to change that narrative, look, we can say we want all the above, that's great. But what the bottom line is, is we need 24,7 baseload energy. And natural gas has changed all that. Nuclear is now becoming part of that conversation. There's been some nuclear investment also in the 12th congressional district right now with some of those data center, you know, people that are companies that are coming in and building these facilities. So that would be my conversation to them. And the reduction that we have dropped in the United States from carbon is three times the world combined of what we've dropped. And we need to talk about that and share that story. And it's starting to have a concept of that. You also have to talk to the constituencies and making sure that we provide them with clean, affordable energy too. And making sure that when that light switch comes on, the lights come on when the heater needs to kick on for this very extreme cold weather that we're dealing. We were 16 below last week in the 12th congressional district. And making sure that heat comes on for our elderly. I use my mom. I mean, my mother's on oxygen. She needs that oxygen tank to kick on 24, 7. So those are some of the stories that I would share with the Davos group having those discussions. There's a lot of. There's several organizations called the conservative climate groups who want to believe that clean energy can do its piece. Well, I talk to them about clean energy and natural gas is clean energy. And just making sure that we educate people. What that is.
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You're sitting on top of their Marcellus and is it Utica Is that the other one?
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Yes, it's Utica and Marcellus and I will add before Jack, not meaning to inter.
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No.
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Between western Pennsylvania, western West Virginia and southeastern Ohio, we are sitting on 40% of where natural gas will come from right now. That's large. That's going to. That's larger than the Permian Basin here in due time. And that's what's happening in Ohio alone. In the Southeast region, we have 100 years of natural gas below our feet.
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And that's 100 years that could, could satisfy the projected needs of the United States for 100 years or I think.
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You know, and arrested. Yesterday we had FERC in front of us for our subcommittee on energy and we talked about, you know, even exporting. I mean, there's enough to export also, so there's plenty here. You know, we need to get the infrastructure set up. Obviously, you know, there's been some permitting bills that have passed the House here. They've all moved on to the Senate. So we're going to continue working on some of those things so we can get this infrastructure built. Built. I went and spoke to the American Gas association yesterday and talking about that. And the infrastructure piece is very big as we move forward. So getting some of this permitting legislation that we have and getting it moved forward and getting it passed.
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By the way, infrastructure has many offshoots. Shipbuilding would be one. Correct. I mean, we're talking about exporting. So this is a boon to the America, could be a boon to the American shipbuilding industry also, I guess.
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Well, something that was announced this week, 48 hours ago, in fact, and it's pretty neat that we're actually getting have to do this, redo this podcast. Siemens out of Germany is investing $1 billion in the United States to open manufacturing facilities for their gas turbines. So the states that were named yesterday were Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, the one North Carolina, I believe. But, you know, those are heavily needed jobs in those states now. You know, my question, first question, what happened to Ohio here, guys? I mean, we forgot about Ohio. What do we chop liver here? But, you know, as they go forward, so, you know, even outside the United States, companies are seeing the availability and the manufacturing advantage that they will have here as they move forward.
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Well, we're going to talk about some of the legislation you have introduced and sponsored, and we'll do that when we come back from these important messages. We are back with Congressman Troy Balderson of the 12th district of Ohio. He is the head of the heat. This is the House Caucus on Energy. He is the House Republican point man, and I would dare say the Capitol Hill's point man, regardless of partisan affiliation, regardless of which side of the House on energy. And it's great that you're with us so we can talk to you about this important issue. So about some of the legislation. Congressman, you are the author of the Affordable, Reliable, Clean Energy Security Act. It aims to restore common sense to American energy policy. I find that one of the most important things you're trying to achieve through this legislation is to formally define such terms as affordable, as reliable, as clean, in order to impact our regulatory standards, which can be hamstringing, as you know. So tell us about this legislation and why it is important for America that Congress adopt it not only for our economy, but also for national security.
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You know, Jack, this is one of the things that we could use when we talk to the DAVOS Guys, the CEOs there is, you know, getting these definitions in place because it seems like, you know, affordable, reliable claim. Let's get the definitions with that. Let's put that in statute so each different administration that comes in changes everything. That's what's important, is for us to get that in statute. And look, this is a four page bill. This is simple with these definitions and making it very clear and precise of what those definitions are. It doesn't change. I mean, I mean, this will be very doable for bipartisan support. I have spoken with other members of Congress to talk about that, and it just clarifies everything. And that's what people, they need that clarity and they need that understanding of what those definitions of affordable, reliable and clean energy are.
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But if you're particularly, if one is particularly ideological, maybe a congresswoman who represents where I used to grow up in the Bronx, her name AOC by initial, you might think defining natural gas as clean is a threat to their version of energy policy. Windmills and solar advocates, I mean, they should, I assume that is in the bill. But people who want to just say that is our energy future would be in opposition to what you're trying to do here. Would that be true?
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Yeah, I mean, that's true. And we'll manage that. That's what we're here to do and we'll communicate that. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I have great respect for Alexandria. I won't, I don't think that I'll be able to sell her to vote for this package, but communicate that and I can communicate her district of what it actually means. And so then at that time frame, you Know, just like any other member of Congress across this great country, you know, we can talk about that. And we have, you know, our version of what clean energy, affordable energy is. And they can have their opportunity to speak what they feel like is clean, affordable, reliable energy.
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I didn't, I wasn't trying to create her as a pinata for you.
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Oh, no, no, no, no.
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We would not do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's talk about another bill. You're the author of the Guaranteeing relia through the Interconnection of Dispatchable Power act, which is a mouthful and it's better known as the Grid Act. The major motivation for this is bureaucratic delays that for years stall the adoption of new power projects. So give us a hypothetical example of a company wanting to create, say, a new power plant. Could be nuclear, could be natural gas, maybe one to supply electricity for all these EVs that the green energy advocates are demanding. And right now, what is the bureaucratic process that an energy company might come up against as they're trying to build some new energy supply for America?
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So the Grid Power act is something that we introduced last Congress. It did pass the House with bipartisan support, Jack. So there were Democrats that also voted for the Grid Power Act. It's, again, a very simple piece of legislation. The Regional Transmission Operators, RTO is what their, you know, acronym is referred to. An example would be the PJM, which provides power to 13 states. They're the ones in charge of distributing the power. And, you know, their, their concern was the interconnection queue to get this power out is plugged up, and it averages anywhere from six to eight years of projects. Right now, that interconnection queue is 97, 98% full. Nothing's moving. It's just stagnant sitting there. And what do we need right now? We need power. Especially during these winter months. It's been a very. It's been a hard winter. Something that more so than what we've seen in the past. But the Grid Power act says your project goes in the queue. If you are financed, it is planned, everything is ready to go. If that project does not get released and put out there within one year, you're out and you got to go back and start over again. Now, some of the discussion that we were having, they were saying, like, well, you're trying to eliminate renewable energy. No, I'm not. That is not the case at all. Because there's renewable projects in that interconnection queue that needed to get moving forward also. And I'll Go back. Even this became. And President Trump did an executive order. He used some of the language that we had with this bill probably three months ago now, before we got it passed out of the full House and it moves on to the Senate. But the FERC actually did. They were trying to expedite 50 projects to get moving, to get power out to these RTOs. They asked for 50. They received 94 projects, both baseload energy and renewable energy. They awarded 54 projects is what it ended up being. 54, 58 projects were going to be distributed. It included both renewable energy projects, natural gas projects, new. I mean, it included all the above. And that's our goal here and to get these projects moving. So that's the basis, in the most simplified terms I can do for the Grid Power Act. It's getting that interconnection queue unplugged. I mean, like a pipe and it's all plugged up. And that's where we are trying to get our power out.
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I'm just curious if 20 years from now, given all the projected needs of these data centers alone, do we need to double our power production, our output, triple it? How vast, how vast is the expectation?
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I mean, look, I'm not a scientist by any means. I, I think we do need to get it moving. Look, we, we were shutting down under the past administration. We, we were shutting down coal fire plants quickly.
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Right, right.
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And PJM came out, and I don't mean to keep going back to pjm, but PJM came out two years, two and a half years ago now and said, hey, time out. We're, we're, we're shutting off our baseload energy. We don't have enough renewable to take up the space for this, to provide that energy 24 7, that baseload energy. I think the people are starting to figure that out as they move forward, knowing that we just can't cut this baseload energy off. So I think there's a dire need to try to catch up right now. That's why getting this interconnection queue unplugged and getting these projects move faster, look, we'll. Well, my hope and prayer is that we will catch up. There's no reason for us not to catch up. And the state legislatures, Ohio just did a big energy bill there and we monitor that. And that's something else that I really try to be mindful of, and that's working with state legislatures and working with other organizations as we move forward, changing the rules on the federal side of it. But also keeping states independent of the energy needs that they want.
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I have one big last question to ask you, but a little corollary here before we go to a break and then that last question, one other bill that you've introduced is the Clear act. As it seems like much of what you're comprehensive about, what we need, what we are, and how do we remove roadblocks. So this seems the Clear Act. Would you tell us what this is about?
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Yeah, the Clear Act, Senator Cotton is carrying it in the Senate version of that. And going back, I do need to say this is the big thing about the legislation that we're getting passed. It has companion legislation in the Senate, which rarely happens in the House. But the Clear act is we have so many, I mean, processes for infrastructure projects, pipeline project. It's lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit. We're trying to eliminate all these frivolous lawsuits that happen with these projects. So the Clear act is giving a much more streamlined process. You know, once you get that hurdle done, you're going to start moving again. And that's what we need to do and to get done. And it's just become, I mean, kind of ridiculous to where we are. I mean, and this just isn't an energy project. It's in highway projects. I mean, there's a lot of things, you know, that happen during this process. So this Clear act will work on all that. And there's hurdles for, you know, the renewables can say the same thing, man. It's just, just lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit for a solar facility or windmill project. So I want. Baseload energy is my main focus for this. That's my hyper focus on that. So that's what we want this to be working towards.
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Well, we have one final big question for Congressman Troy Balderson, and I'm going to ask that hopefully not mumble mouths when we return from these final important messages.
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We are back. Victor Davis Hansen, in his own words recording on Wednesday, the 4th of February. This episode should be up on Tuesday, the 10th. Thank you again, Congressman Troy Balderson, for pinch hitting. Final question. If America could unleash its full potential when it comes to creating energy, what kind of a world would we be living in? And what kind of economy would we be realizing? And what would the benefits be of America unleashed for the rest of the world?
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I think, Jack, you're starting to see, under this administration, you're starting to see that happen. We talked about earlier in the podcast about Siemens coming here from Germany and investing a billion dollars in manufacturing. We're talking about all the. The manufacturing that's coming back here to this country. We need the energy to provide to these manufacturing facilities that are coming back here. And it inspires everybody to do that because people take great pride. They can put food on their table. They can go on vacation. They can buy the vehicles that they want to buy. They can provide for their families. And it's big to be able to do that, and it's important to do that. At one time, we had 42 employees, you know, at the automobile dealership. And that doesn't seem like a lot, but that's a lot. But, you know, they took great pride in doing customer service and making sure that the truck or the car, whatever, you know, was in operating order and it was safe. People want that. And by unleashing this energy dominance that we could have is very empowering of what it can do. And we talked about again in early in the podcast, you know, from 20. You know, from 2008 to 2010, there were some low times in southeastern Ohio, and there's, you know, we want to make sure that we uplift these people to provide them the jobs. And, you know, a coal plant that closed that's now currently in the 12th congressional district back in 2010. 20. Well, a little bit later than that. You know, those were 360 jobs of healthcare provided to them, pensions, retirement. I mean, and that was gone in one swoop. You know, now with the energy coming back and the energy dominance coming back that we have here in this country and in the state of Ohio, and with 100 years of natural gas below our feet, we're providing those jobs back to those folks.
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I'd love to have another show with you, Congressman, to talk a retrospective on Cash for Clunkers, since you had experience.
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You don't want to get me started on that, Jack. You would need another show to get that started. I experienced that in my dealership, my father's dealership. Was heavily impacted by that.
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Yeah, America should, we should revisit that from the abuse of the regulatory and capricious regulatory state and how it can harm local businesses. But another time, Congressman, I really, truly appreciate you doing this. For the second time, we pray to the government gods of podcast that this will download appropriately. As a conservative, I just applaud everything you're doing. And as you know, I've told you before, I love the district. I've spent a lot of time in beautiful Mount Vernon, Ohio with our friends there at Ariel. Great people, just true, true patriots and helping to keep that. I want to recommend folks to self serving here. Go to Philanthropy Daily and Google Karen Wright and I've written a couple pieces about this great philanthropist and how she's invested in her hometown. It's a beautiful story and we need more of that in America. And you're blessed to have that as part of your district.
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I am. And you go back to that. They provide jobs. That private company and that community has been blessed to have them in their community and for the jobs they provide. And aerial outreach is more than just Mount Vernon. It goes a little bit around central Iowa in several different counties.
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Yeah, it's a great blessing. Well, thanks so much again, Congressman Balderson. Thanks folks for watching. Thanks for listening. You're most welcome. We'll be back soon with another episode of Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. Bye bye. Thank you for tuning in to the Daily Signal. Please like share and subscribe to be notified for more content like this. You can also check out my own website@victorhansen.com and subscribe for exclusive features in addition.