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Victor Davis Hanson: In His Own Words
Episode: How ‘Midwest Nice’ Minnesota Became Ground Zero for Leftist Violence and Fraud
Host: Jack Fowler (substituting for Victor Davis Hanson)
Guest: Tyler O’Neill (Senior Editor, The Daily Signal)
Date: January 29, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode explores how Minnesota, traditionally seen as an emblem of "Midwest nice" and good governance, has become a focal point for leftist activism, governmental fraud, and violent protest. The discussion with Tyler O’Neill covers recent church invasions in Minnesota, the complicity of state officials, parallels to "neo-Confederate" nullification, and O’Neill's investigative work on organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and the influence of leftist "dark money" in the Biden administration. Tyler O’Neill also reflects on Ben Sasse's public response to a cancer diagnosis as an example of strength and faith.

Main Discussion Points and Insights

1. Minnesota’s Crisis: “Midwest Nice” Disrupted

Fraud and Government Enabling (00:00–09:26)

• Historical Context: Minnesota’s reputation for Scandinavian-rooted civility and good government.
• Tyler highlights systemic fraud in the state government, noting:
  • The Walz administration directed investigative units not to pursue criminal fraud, with whistleblowers alleging efforts to hide wrongdoing.
    • Quote (Tyler):

      “Governor Waltz’s administration ordered an investigative unit inside one of these huge departments to not investigate criminal fraud.” (05:00)

• Nullification of Federal Law:
  • State and local leaders (Governor Tim Walz, Attorney General Keith Ellison, Mayor Jacob Frey) actively resist federal immigration law, pursuing policies reminiscent of Confederate-era nullification.
    • Quote (Tyler):

      “We also see this neo-Confederate push essentially to nullify federal immigration law. ... They're pitting themselves against the federal government.” (05:00)

The Church Invasion Incident (07:21–09:26)

• Incident Summary:
  • Activists, led by a well-funded NGO employee, invaded a St. Paul church mid-service, recording the disruption and equating themselves to Christ overturning the money changers’ tables.
• State Response:
  • Governor Walz issued a lukewarm condemnation; Attorney General Ellison essentially excused the disruption as free speech.
    • Quote (Tyler):

      “Keith Ellison, on the other hand, said, ‘oh, this is America. If people are angry at you, you have to put up with it.’” (01:02, 09:42)

• Tyler criticizes Ellison’s view as a misunderstanding of both free speech and church protections under the law.

2. Neo-Confederate Parallels and Political Radicalism in Minnesota

Historical Comparisons (11:26–15:05)

• Jack Fowler draws parallels between:
  • Minnesota’s leadership and historical Southern figures:
    “Minnesota of 2026 is South Carolina of 1860. Tim Walz is George Wallace ..." (11:26)
• Tyler expands, analyzing the Civil War “nullification crisis” and drawing a line to contemporary leftists seeking to override federal immigration laws through state policy and activism.
  • Quote (Tyler):

    “That is what we’re seeing here. ... The left saying, immigration law is beyond the pale, should not be enforced. We're gonna nullify it by any means necessary.” (12:14)

• The conversation highlights how perceived government neglect and open border agendas serve activist and financial interests.

3. Reflections on Ben Sasse and the Meaning of Hope

Ben Sasse’s Public Cancer Diagnosis and Faith (19:06–24:52)

• Tyler reflects on former Senator Ben Sasse’s announcement of terminal cancer and his messages of hope, mortality, and Christian faith.
  • Quote (Tyler):

    “He said, I have a death sentence, and it’s a lot sooner than I would like, but we all have a death sentence ... It’s very easy in our modern day to ignore the fact of our mortality.” (19:06)

• Sasse’s example is presented as a counterpoint to a culture of “easy victimhood” and avoidance of uncomfortable truths.
  • Quote (Tyler):

    “My hope in Jesus is strong because I know, you know, it’s like the words of Job, ‘I know that my redeemer liveth...’” (22:50)

4. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC): Origins, Corruption, and Influence

SPLC’s Evolution and Power (26:47–34:50)

• Origins: SPLC began as a legal aid organization; cofounder Morris Dees exploited Klan cases to build a lucrative fundraising machine, offering little real benefit to victims.
  • Quote (Tyler):

    “Their cofounder, Morris Dees ... realized at some point — the Klan is the most notorious hate group in America. ...When the Southern Poverty Law Center went after the Klan ... it was like shooting fish in a barrel.” (27:00)

• Growing Wealth:
  • SPLC grew a $740 million endowment, leveraging its “hate map” to label and isolate not only extreme groups but mainstream conservative and Christian organizations.
    • Quote (Tyler):

      “Right now, the Southern Poverty Law Center has an endowment of $740 million. ... One of the main reasons it gets this money is because it publishes a thing called the hate map.” (29:34)

The Hate Map’s Real Purpose (31:37–34:50)

• Mainstreaming Smears: Groups like Moms for Liberty and Focus on the Family are now labeled “hate groups,” effectively blacklisting them for major donors and financial platforms.
• Political Weaponization:
  • Tyler explains how the SPLC hate map is used by donor-advised funding platforms to block contributions to these groups, channeling resources away from the right and solidifying left-wing nonprofit dominance.
    • Quote (Tyler):

      “The SPLC is used to prevent money from going to conservative organizations. ... They often outsource that decision to the SPLC because they have this hate map.” (31:40)

• Direct Harm: The SPLC’s rhetoric has inspired violence, as in a terrorist attack on the Family Research Council.
  • Quote (Tyler):

    “We had a terrorist attack inspired by the Southern Poverty Law Center here in D.C. ... And this guy was convicted.” (31:40)

5. “The Woke-topus”: Dark Money and the Biden Administration

Influence, Scandals, and Policy (38:12–44:59)

• Tyler’s book “The Woke-topus” traces the enormous influence of leftist nonprofits (SPLC, Human Rights Campaign, American Civil Liberties Union, Center for American Progress) on the Biden administration.
  • Quote (Tyler):

    “What impact did leftist groups not have in the Biden administration is the better question.” (38:12)

• Scandals Ignored:
  • Despite internal scandals, SPLC attorneys are appointed as federal judges; their ideas circulate in DOJ training; the FBI’s infamous memo on “radical-traditional Catholics” cites SPLC as a source.
• Coordinated Policy Push:
  • Foundations like Open Society, Tides, and Arabella Advisors funnel dark money into activism, policy proposals, and staff who direct federal policy from within.
    • Quote (Tyler):

      “The left’s dark money network fed money into all of these organizations ... and these groups sent their staff and ideas into the Biden administration.” (40:43)

• Policy Implementation: Tyler notes that much of the left’s published wish lists (e.g., the Human Rights Campaign’s recommendations) have been rapidly adopted in the executive branch, far outpacing conservative efforts to do the same.

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Minnesota’s Church Invasion:
  • “They published the videos themselves, these sick people … chanting ‘justice for Renee Goode’ … This being a service to worship our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ ... these activists not only shared the videos, they were proud of them, but compared their activism here ... to Jesus flipping over the tables in the temple ... The idea ... is just mind boggling.” – Tyler O’Neill (07:27)
• On the Neo-Confederate Analogy:
  • “Minnesota of 2026 is South Carolina of 1860. Tim Walz is George Wallace…” – Jack Fowler (11:26)
• On The SPLC’s Grift:
  • “Boula Mae Donald ... gets 50 grand. What does she do with that money? Oh, she gives it right back to the Southern Poverty Law center, which had given her a loan for her home ... the bereaved widow is left with barely anything. And the Southern Poverty Law center has all the money from their donors. This is the model we see ... time and time again.” – Tyler O’Neill (28:00)
• On The “Woke-topus” Network:
  • “[It’s] not to say this was all a grand conspiracy ... It was more loose than that. But ... the left’s dark money network fed money into all of these organizations ... and these groups sent their staff and ideas into the Biden administration.” – Tyler O’Neill (40:43)
• On the Urgency of the Moment:
  • “When you're voting, you're not just voting for the person at the top of the ticket. You're also voting for an administration they’d bring in.” – Tyler O’Neill (44:25)

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–05:00 — Minnesota’s reputation, fraud, and governmental cover-ups
• 05:00–09:26 — Church invasion, activist funding, and legal implications
• 09:26–12:14 — State officials’ responses to the invasion
• 12:14–15:05 — Neo-Confederate comparisons and political tactics
• 19:06–24:52 — Ben Sasse’s message of hope and mortality
• 26:47–29:34 — SPLC origins, lawsuit model, fundraising tactics
• 29:34–34:50 — The “hate map,” donor-advised fund blacklisting, terrorism inspired by SPLC
• 38:12–44:59 — The “Woke-topus”: Leftist dark money networks and Biden administration policies

Tone and Style

• The conversation is urgent, serious, and occasionally incredulous, especially regarding governmental complicity, the radicalization of Minnesota, and the exploitation by activist organizations.
• Tyler O’Neill maintains a tone of investigative outrage, tempered by historical perspective and personal reflection.
• Jack Fowler’s tone is wry, sometimes sardonic (especially with historical analogies), but always concerned for the decline of civic norms and American institutions.

Summary Takeaway

The episode delivers a detailed chronicle of Minnesota’s rapid political upheaval: from governmental enabling of fraud and breakdowns in law to radical activism crossing the line into violence and religious disruption—with state officials refusing to condemn or actively excusing such behavior. Tyler O’Neill positions these trends as part of a broader left-wing, well-funded movement, enabled by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center and vast “dark money” networks, all the while drawing out both the historical precedents and contemporary dangers. The episode also offers a brief but poignant meditation on mortality, virtue, and hope in adversity, as illustrated by Ben Sasse’s public candor.