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Victor Davis Hanson: In His Own Words
Victor Davis Hanson: Australia’s Rich History of ‘Rugged Individuals’ Put to the Test Following Terror Attack
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In this episode of “Victor Davis Hanson: In His Own Words,” Victor Davis Hanson and Sami Winc dissect Australia's reaction to the Hanukkah massacre and how the West flicks aside antisemitic violence.
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Sammy Wink
Com welcome back to the Victor Davis Hanson in His Own Words show. And yes, and just to remind everybody, and for those of you who are new, Victor is the Martin and Neely Anderson Senior Fellow in Military History and Classics at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College. You can find him at his website victorhanson.com Please come join us there. There's lots of material material free. And then you can join Ultra and get two articles a week from Victor exclusively and a video that he talks about a current event in. So please come join us. So Victor, there's been lots of shootings this week. I thought maybe we would start with the Brown University shooting. Those two students killed and they still have not apprehended the man, even though we have surveillance everywhere. I have to say, I'm very surprised.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Excuse me. There's something very wrong with the whole scenario. And I mean by that they have thousands of cameras literally on campus, as does every campus. But they have no we saw what happened in the Charlie Kirk Tyler Robinson was spotted pretty quickly, but for some reason they only have a suburban photo of him without and he has a mask on. Then they apprehended the wrong person and they released his photo and they kind of built up the narrative that he was a disgruntled ex veteran and you kind of wanted to think that he was a white male shooter, you know what I mean? And they were quick to do that. And then they had to retract that. In the process, they lost two or three days of valuable time. I think they'll eventually catch him because as we've known from the January 6th bomber, they will look at every cell phone record and they will try to see if there's any evidence of where he was walking at a particular time. And then they'll run an AI of all the cell phone records and see if any of them match up key GPS points or something where he was. And maybe they'll have face recognition or body recognition. And then they will ask everybody at Brown because he seemed to know where to go. Did they know anybody that was kind of obese with that body description? That's a rare, rare. I mean, that's not common for a young person. So they can go through all their records and staff, everything. But what I'm worried about is the mayor of Providence. He's a politico. I mean, he was the one that was grandstanding about he didn't want federal troops in there. And then the police Chief, I felt sorry for him. Every time he gave press comments, people were whispering in his ear what to say or what not to say. It was very disjointed. The college president, they asked her what was the class. She didn't know. We were variously told it was an engineering class, it was an economics class. We were told there was an African American ta. We were told there was a Jewish professor. We were told that one of the young women, Ellie Close, I think her name was, was targeted because she was a Close. Is that her name?
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Sammy Wink
I think it was Ella Cook. Oh, that's what I wrote down. I hope I got that right.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Anyway, so much misinformation, no coordination. Usually if you're a college president, I've watched, I don't know, 20 of them in my life. On campus, they have a little team, they call them gophers and they prep them. So you would think that the president would get her team in and said, I want to know what the class was, who was in it. Have they been interviewed before they lose memory and give me what I think reporters will ask. And instead all she did was just say, I don't know. How many were in the class? I don't know. What was the class? I don't know. Have you interviewed everybody? I don't know. I mean, it's Christmas time and obviously they're going to go home and you would want every single person who must have seen him. So I was very disappointed. I think everybody was.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah. You know when you say that he must have known the campus, you mean because he avoided as many cameras as he possibly could.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Either he was lucky and he did that or he knew. Or that's what tells me he might have been a student, former student, part time student. He doesn't fit the profile of a young brown Ivy Leaguer. So he looked a little older, a little chubbier. Either a staffer or a part time teacher who knew the classroom. How do you know where to go? And if any of these preliminary reports are semi accurate, that he was either targeting a conservative young woman, I doubt that. But if that happens to be true, or a class that maybe have a Jewish theme to it, and then they would know. I mean, he would know where to go, he would know that. And then there's the symmetry with the Bondi Beach, Australia things. So we have this mass murder in Australia and then you ask yourself, is he an ISIS plant? Did he try to coordinate it online with other violence that day? But that all said when you put the Australia thing and the Brown thing and the Reiner killing, all in a 48 hour period. It's kind of shocks Americans like they've lost control. We've lost control of the American narrative. It's kind of tragic. We don't. We. When people in Australia, to take an example, when they comment on Bondi beach, which we'll get to in a minute, they usually say two things. We're going to have gun control. They have gun control there. It's much stricter than California. But ask themselves why did they allow somebody they knew had ISIS ties to have six guns? And then yet they'll double down on that. And then the second thing they'll always do is they'll say, well, we're going to look at extremist groups like white nationalists and maybe, I don't know, white supremacists or we're going to investigate Islamophobia. That was the wrong thing to say. He should have said we have open borders and we can't vet people. So we're going to take a time out till we get our house in order so we don't let people in who have a desire to kill us. But it's. I'm so tired of these Western bureaucrats who say this is not who we are, this will not. We don't tolerate this. Well, what are you going to do about that? And then always gun control or well, we're going to have a special task force for anti Semitism and Islamophobia. But they never tell us the data. As I said earlier, they know the data. The data does not support the idea that Islamic citizens, residents are the objects of hate crime. If you look at the hate crime and it's very hard to find because people in these blue cities don't want to report to the FBI. But it's mostly Jews who are 3, 6% of the population. No, 3%. There are only 6 million of them, maybe 2% of the population. They account for about 40% of violent hate crimes and they're almost never the perpetrator. I wish. And Muslims are overrepresented both as victims, but more importantly as perpetrators.
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Sammy Wink
The other criticism in Australia was of the police department, which was only one block away. But you heard talk about how they hadn't done enough to stop these guys. And we saw the one guy who was not police that tackled the father of the son father duel in Australia. But the police chief came out and said that's not true. We shot one of the. One of the perpetrators killed him I believe. And they also arrested the Other one?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, he shot him. After what? After he killed 15 people. Tell that to the 15 people. The police were on the scene pretty quickly. Apparently they did not. I mean, I'm not trying to be melodramatic, but I think the Western public is so tired of all these contortions, gymnastics, linguistic tomfoolery. They always praise everybody. It's like T ball. But why don't they just say, we're going to make sure that this never happens again and we want to warn everybody out there, if you point a gun at somebody in a crowd and we hear a shot, you're going to go down. But they never talk like that. That's only in the movies that show that the American people and Western publics want that so Hollywood will supply it. But in the real world, they don't get it. I'm not talking vigilantism. It just, it's like Parkland. Why didn't the police just rush in there and say, that's my job. I signed up for this. But you saw them cowering. Why, these kids were butchered like animals. And when I watched that picture of Bondi beach and you juxtapose it to October 7th, and then you think of the Holocaust museum butchery, and then you look at things that happen in Israel where a couple people were killed, and then you look at what's happening in Europe. I would say the west is slouching toward open season on Jews. I really do. I think they're going to be hunted like animals. That's. It's just sick. And nobody speaks out against it. They're so afraid of this new. There's three things going on. Open borders and immigration from the Middle east, the corruption of the university that has these Middle east hate Israel programs, and a quarter million people from the Middle east who think it's their country and can say, from the river to the sea. And Hamas, right. And then dei, that protects them. So it's, it's, you know, and then when I mean, slouching toward, toward open season on Jews, then you have Tucker and, and Candace Owens. Almost every major event now in the news. Oh, Maduro, remove him. The Jews taking out the Iranian nuclear bomb. The Jews. Charlie Kirk's death. Oh, Jews, nine, 11 Jews. Why do they do that? Except. And then they say, well, you can be anti. You know, J.D. vance, I like him a lot. He tweeted, I think yesterday or today, you can be against Israel and not be an anti Semite. Yes, you can. But why do people who condemn Israel always go down the anti Semitic road, you know what I'm saying?
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Sammy Wink
I pointed that out in this thing in our podcast. Sorry, this thing in our podcast that if they are anti Israel, then all the things they apply to Israel, they should apply in other places like Turkey. Turkey.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Like they never do.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, the Ukraine and Silen, they don't.
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Victor Davis Hanson
And they. Israel. Oh, Israel shouldn't take out these targets. Look at Ukraine, they just sank. That's pretty dangerous to sink a submarine of a nuclear powered Russia. And we always say no ceasefires. Netanyahu and Israelis ceasefires. Coalition government Israel, no coalition government. Zelensky. Collateral damage is real. We don't care about what. You kill the Russians all you want. It's just. And you know, occupation, occupation, occupation. Yeah, that's right. So Aerbjan just ethnically cleansed 150,000 Armenians. I didn't hear a peep. Turkey went into Cyprus and slaughtered innocents since 1974. And they occupy illegally the northern part of the country. They took paradise and turned it into a backwater state. And then they forced the poor Greeks to go to the southern part of the island, the traditionally less affluent, and they turned it into paradise. Nobody talks about that. And so the other thing is when people say to the river of the sea. And I heard that ad nauseam at Stanford. I was walking to my office. River of the sea, Palestine shall be free. And I told you once, I asked this young woman, which sea, which river? Everybody asked that. She had no idea and I was just kind of joking. Was it Red Sea? Close. Was it the North Sea? Not close. Maybe the Mediterranean. What river? The Euphrates? The Tigris? The Nile?
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Sammy Wink
Yes.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Or the Jordan. Which is it? Oh, and then I asked, this is what I remember the most. I was walking by and a very affluent student from the Middle East. And I say that because of the. My Victor gold antenna went up with the jewelry and stuff. Student, student. And she was out screaming. And I said, what do you do with a 2 million river to the sea? That means you want to get rid of Israel. Erase it. Because if you take them, you're going to take the Jews and kill them. Oh no, they can go back. Remember Helen Thomas, the journalist? That was a very left wing journalist at all of the press conferences. They gave her the top seat. She goes, well, it was Jews. They should just get out of Israel and go back to Poland or wherever they came. Helen. Helen. 3,500 years in counting, Jews have been in that place. The Arab world did not get there until the seventh century and that was about 4,000 years after Jews were there, if that's the game you want to play. But what was fascinating is what do you do when you ask that? I always would ask, what do you do with the 2 million Arabs? River to the sea. So you're going to go in and you're going to destroy Israel and kill 9 million Jews, but you let 2 million Arabs live who right now vote and are the only Arabs in the Middle east that have constitutional freedom and security and economic outside of the Gulf prosperity. But Saudi Arabia, can you vote in a free and unfederate election? No Gaza, No West Bank. No Egypt. No Tunisia. No Morocco. No Algeria. No Syria. No Iraq? Not really. Lebanon. Not if you want to risk your lie. I mean, free and unfettered. Can you say anything you want if you're an Arab citizen in Israel? Pretty much. Can you say it anywhere else in the Arab homeland? Nope. Nope. If Israel said, tomorrow we will let Arabs live here in Israel, they would have a flood of people. And of course they, Israel ethnically cleansed their own Jews from Gaza and said that they were settlements. We're going to get out. So there are no Jews in Gaza and there's no more expansion. They're really working on not allowing the expansion. But my point is this. If you're an Arab citizen in Israel and you own property, the Israelis say, okay, they may not want more. But if you say, hmm, I like this view in the West Bank, I'm going to buy property and I'm a Jew. You can't live there. You have to be in a particular settlement and armed. So all these things just go out the window when you talk to these students and professors, given the hate. So this is all a rant on. I'm just anti Israel. I'm not anti Semitic. No, no, you, you focus on what? Remember what Reverend Wright said? Dim Jews ever since you got elected. They won't let me see them. Dim Jews won't let me see them. Them Jews. You didn't even have that. That was so crass when he said that. I remember at least when he said chickens coming. Remember when you said he. No. God bless America. No, no, no. God, America. Chicken coming home to roost. And then people forget the rat. They always quote that and they miss the main thing. Look at the congregation.
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Sammy Wink
They went wild.
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Victor Davis Hanson
They were going wild. Wild. Yeah. Music to their ears.
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Sammy Wink
Lots of people who think they have a reason to hate America.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Something on a pamphlet. I remember. Somebody will fact check me. But he said that the, the Jews were making missiles that could Follow Arabs DNA or something. That was Obama's personal pastor savior. He married us. Did you ever miss a, A service? No, I never missed one. I was at every one. Oh, you were at then the blank blank America. Well, I didn't miss that one. He's lied through his teeth about that relationship.
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Sammy Wink
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Victor Davis Hanson
That's what they do in Australia. If you want A semi automatic rifle. You have to say that you are in a particular occupation, hunting or you're out in the outback. Except if you're a Muslim from the Middle east and you have ties with isis. And then they think I don't want to investigate him. He might say I'm an Islamophobe and then my party would get angry at me that I lost the Muslim vote. This is so sad because all my life and I went to Australia for about eight days, I've had the utmost admiration for Australians. They in World War I, they were just phenomenal fighters and they were always treated unfairly by the British Empire. Look at the Gallipi campaign. Look at how they were used in the Middle east when they were threatened in the Pacific under General Slim. They fought fantastically. They always do. So this is a country of rugged individuals and is the par excellence example of carving like the Israelis out of the desert, creating this beautiful civilization and this wonderful, tragic, tragically heroic traditions. I never met an Australian I didn't like. Not one. I'm sure there are some I wouldn't like, but I've never met any. And then to see this prime minister, wishy washy mealy mouth, can't just tell the truth to a country that always demands the truth. How he got elected, I don't know. But it's, it's just embarrassing that these officers, 90% of the Australians that we think if they had been there and they had have been armed, they would have taken them out or they would have charged him. But the police reflect this Western disease. It's a Western disease of affluence and leisure. It hits the former British Empire, it hits Europe and it hits the United States and it's a decadence. And you can see it everywhere, you can see it in Chicago. Nobody can just come out and say the truth. The Somali immigration experiment was a disaster. They are overrepresented 75% on social welfare programs. They take much more than they pay in taxes. They have a history of violence. They have committed the greatest welfare fraud in the history probably of the United States. Their representative and spokeswoman married her brother and cannot under oath state fully and correctly that she did not and committed immigration fraud. Allegedly so, but we can't say that. And so we're held hostage by fears of being called illiberal or uncouth or racist or homophobic or transphobic or sexist. And I think people are not going to take it anymore. I say that because if you keep taking it, you have no civilization. Left, you really don't. You have to just tell the truth. It doesn't mean you. You're a supremacist of any sort. But you have to fight the enemies of civilization. Historically, one of them is tribalism. That is your primary identity and loyalty. That goes to people who look like you and talk like you, not to the general commonwealth across racial or gender or religious barrier. That was the whole point of the classical Greek experiment. They got rid of tribalism and they said people in Attica from different tribes will be mixed up. People in the Greek city states will try to be mixed up. Didn't always work. But the point was civilization does not work when your primary loyalty is to your first cousin. Just doesn't work.
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Sammy Wink
Victor, we Talked about the D.C. police chief, Pamela Smith, who retired unexpectedly two years earlier than her term was up, and the House. I think we found out why. The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has done an investigation. And the study I was looking at said that eight commanders under her were interviewed and many of them said they were under pressure to downgrade crime so that they didn't show up in the.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Report that was reported, I think, three years ago. And that was another thing. When you go online and you're trying to find FBI data on assault profiles of victims, profiles of victimizer, you can't find it. It's like three years out of date. And then we hear that blue city police chiefs are under orders from their mayors to do two things. One, downgrade a crime. If it's an armed robbery, then say it's shoplifting or something. If it's a rape, say it's a sexual harassment or something. And number two, don't turn in all of the statistics so that it looks like there's not a crime epidemic in these blue cities in which there is one. So it's corrupt.
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Sammy Wink
The other thing that this report showed was that people were demoted if they refused to do this kind of thing for her. And the other thing that I thought was interesting was if you think about it, since their crimes were downgraded, then they got downgraded sentences and were out on the street that much faster. So that's bothersome.
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Victor Davis Hanson
The whole thing is I grew up in the civil rights movement. My parents were Democrats, as I said, they took me at 8 years old to see Martin Luther King at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco. Big civil rights. My mom was the first female student body president of her high school and organized everybody during the war when she was in this area to oppose the relocation of Japanese. And then Try to get my grandfather successfully. A lot of farmers to help the Japanese. And that was all wonderful. So that was the whole civil rights I grew up with. But as I watched this transformation from equality, from prejudice and racism toward black people and by extension to others, I knew an Armenian family that was not allowed to buy a house in my local town. There was a register on the deed. And that all ended. And then we had some repertory measures affirming it back. And now we're right. Like repeating the same thing, only on the other side. If you listen to Joy Reid on television or Jasmine Crockett, they're more blunt than Strom Thurman or Senator Eastland or any of those people were in their racial fixation and demonization of white people. She's always saying white people are. And then Ilhan Omar said that white people were the. The most violent, responsible for the most violent crime. That was just a complete lie. And when you say white people, you're talking about a whole collective of people. As if you and I have anything in common. I don't know, with Rachel Maddow or, you know, Senator Kelly, because we have white skins. I don't. I don't have any solidarity. And, you know, I've been interviewed by a lot of Swedish reporters over my life. They have this little tick that when they come to the United States, all of them, I like them. But one of them came out here, was very, very left wing. And did I have anything in common with him? No. No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Sammy Wink
Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and then come back and talk a little bit about the soldiers killed in. And we'll be right back.
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Sammy Wink
Welcome back. This is Victor Davis Hansen in his own Words. And you can find Victor on X. His handle is Edhansen, and on Facebook, Anson's Morning Cup. So if those are your social media outlets, outlets, please join him there. So, Victor, the two soldiers killed, I would like to name them in Syria were Edgar Brian Torres Tovar and William Nathaniel Howard. And they were gunned down by a. A man connected to or working for isis and this. But these soldiers were also involved in. I was. Because I was wondering, well, what are we doing there in Syria they're involved in and I think, think Donald Trump is trying to work with the president now of Syria, counter ISIS operations.
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Victor Davis Hanson
He's been flipped. I hope there are people around him who don't harbor those sympathies. But it's very hard for all of us. I supported the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. I supported the overthrow of the Taliban. I did not support staying there for 20 years and flying pride flags from the embassy and having George Floyd murals in Kabul or a gender studies program, same thing. Ditto Iraq. But when you have people in the National Guard and they leave their homes to their families and they go all the way across the world and then they're in these godforsaken places and they're trying to create restore the rule of law order, they're trying to bring some western notion of due process and these people kill them. And I'm not saying all of them do, but it's just you get to the point of frustration and you just say, you know what, we are going to station Americans abroad, but we're going to do it in compounds and we're not going to try any more of this hearts and minds nation building because it's not going to work. And when it doesn't work, then you get 80,000 unfettered on audited, no background check, check Afghans and then they kill people, as we saw. So we're not going to do it anymore. And then you can still have deterrence. I don't know why we need 650 bases all over the world. And I know because it always happens that they get killed or like picked off, harvested. And the biggest thing, when I was in bedded twice, the biggest thing that I saw once I was in Taji and I climbed up on the top of building and I just looked at Humvees that were parked. And then when I was in the Green Zone for a while I looked at brand new pickups that were and then I looked at all these young kids. For three days I flew in a Blackhawk with this young 18 year old out sitting out exposed with a 50 caliber and I thought what a huge investment of American money and youth and for what? Do they like us? I don't think so. Do they ever. I haven't heard anybody in the Iraqi government say this is so much better now we have elections than when Saddam was saying. And I guess what I'm saying is the Americans citizen is sort of in a. He stands alone and he's surrounded by 360 degrees of constant criticism. Criticism that you are imperialist, you are sexist, you are racist, you are this, you are that. And then he asked himself if that were all true and my critics were all correct, why do you want to come here? Why in the world? To take it over. But if you took it over, it would look like your own state. If you're all coming from Mexico and you want it to be Mexico, well it would be Mexico and you would want to go, I don't know, to somewhere else. So why wouldn't you come with thank God I got to America. I want to integrate, assimilate, acculturate and be like an American and adopt a system that works. But that's what drives people crazy. All these people. I have to be very careful because I work at a very liberal campus, I love my job, I have great friends. But once in this four month encampment, another student because I had. It was right when I walked, it was right in front of me every day and not, I say, once every two weeks some person would call, scream and yell and I'd say what do you mean? But I'd always say why do you want to be over here? Are you from the Middle East? Yes. Why do you want to be over here? I'm studying engineering. I said well why didn't you study it in the Middle East? What do you mean? And I said well, you'd be with friends. You don't like us, we're all settler colonialists. Why did you, why don't you just stay and why don't you go to the University of Cairo? But why would you come all the way over here? It's kind of expensive. I like it here. Why do you like it here? I don't know. Well, do you think it has anything to with the rule of law, free market, capitalism, constitutional government, government transparency, self critique, rationalism, no tribalism, equality of the sexes, equality of the tribes and races, everybody equal? I don't know, I just like it here. And I said well why do you think I don't want to go to your university? Well, why would you want to go there? I said I don't. So nobody asks these questions and that needs to be asked all the time. And when you talk to Ilyan Omar and say you allegedly married your brother, but why did you marry your brother and why would he want to come here? And why would you want him to come here? Since you said the country is trashy and is under a dictatorship and white supremacists rule it. All I can come up with is just a reductionist answer. The left has an agenda that no one wants. So they have to either capture the institutions, media, K12, academia, foundations, corporations, popular culture, to exercise influence like trans issues, or they have to import constituencies, you know, 50 million people not born in the United States, plus here now, because nobody wants their socialist agenda. That's all I can come up with. And people come over here because they feel that they will be safer, wealthier and freer than they were at home, but they want to take it over and make sure that it is not free, wealthy and secure. That's all I can come up with. It's so ironic because I grew up with Japanese Americans, Armenian Americans. All they talked about was how wonderful this country was. Every time I went by a Buddhist temple or an Armenian event, they had the American flag waving. And I don't see that now. When I go by canteens and ethnic groups, I just see their. Their tribal flag. I do. I go down a road not too far from here and I see a Mexican American canteen or mech. It's got Mexican flags. I don't see an American flag.
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Sammy Wink
Well, Victor, the last. This time it's a foiled shooting, or it seems like they had plans to bomb outlet spots for Amazon, so to interrupt deliveries, etc. And that was in California. The FBI foiled four people that were planning to bomb these places in LA, and apparently they were part of a group called T T I L F TILF Turtle. Turtle Island. Liberal.
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Victor Davis Hanson
That's the indigenous word for America, is that right? Yes, Turtle. We're all living on Turtle island and they think Turtle was ruined by Americans. And yet when they get a problem like I have, I was just in a particular hospital, and I can tell you that this particular hospital had 21st century technology and skilled people. And I would say I heard six different languages there. So somebody who can't pay for that quality care is treated humanely and by Stanford University. I'm glad they are. But my point is Turtle Island's a joke. The people who are in the Turtle Island Resistance or whatever they want to call themselves when they get a kidney stone, they go to the ER and they want a contrast ct and then they want Flomax or something to get that thing out immediately. And that doesn't come from the Turtle island tradition. I'm sorry, they don't want an incantation. They don't want some incense burned. They want A western medical solution. So I'm not very sympathetic. And then the other thing, when you look at the pictures of those people, they're all western affluent middle class kids. So where do they get that? And the answer is they get it in the university. They get out of high school and they're fairly normal. And then they check in and there's some pontificating fool up in their Middle Eastern class that's in the GE and he tells them about genocide, all this stuff and they lap it up. Or they go back to their room and think, I'll punch in AI and write something. How do I AI, United States is racist. Israel committed genocide. 2000 words. And they do it. And then they don't know anything.
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Sammy Wink
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Victor Davis Hanson
It's a great school. Our friends Neil Ferguson and his wife Aon Hershy Ali are associated with it. Notice what it didn't say, but I will say it. If you apply to the University of Austin as a student or as a faculty member for a job, they're not going to ask you to have a DEI McCarthyite oath. What have you done in your Life for diversity, equity and inclusion. I'm serious. So they're not going to have a whole overhead of $200,000 a year. Di people who are like Russian comissars. And the other thing very quickly is about that wonderful ad is we in California used to think we were intellectually superior to Texas. We took paradise and turned it in purgatory. They took purgatory on natural Hot dusty and turned it into and to mostly paradise. And when you look at University of Austin, the creativity there are nearby the University of Texas Civitas Kivitas Institute, you know, donors like Harlan Crow. And they've got my colleague, I think Peter Robinson works there at times, John Yoo. They're way ahead of us in California. We have nothing like that. And it's kind of. Well, I take that back. There's Thomas Aquinas College and Pepperdine, but mostly we don't. And we don't have a Hillsdale. So all these places are very valuable. Hillsdale, Thomas Aquinas, this new University of Austin, the institute at the University of Texas. It's very exciting. Rollins College in Georgia to Stephen Black. So there is hope. There's hope. Not that they will have enough students to outweigh the millions who graduate from indoctrination, but they will force them. They're kind of a lever against them. They offer people an alternative.
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Sammy Wink
Well, Victor, let's turn to other subjects. I would like to say something first. I heard you and Jack talk about Rob Reiner and very sad. I. I feel especially sad and maybe a woman's point of view, because he did produce movies that were probably watched more by women, but not exclusively. I know that lots of people watched the Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally, and he was just a genius at putting together a story and drawing you into it. And I really.
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Victor Davis Hanson
John Nolte felt so sad when he. I did, too. John Nolte. I don't think I've met him. He's a Breitbart writer. He is a genius critic. He's conservative, but he was very fair. He made those points today in Breitbart. He's always been very empirical. He's a wonderful writer. I have a great deal of admiration for him, but it was a tragedy. And I mean, there was a note and I'd like to read Don Serber, but he wrote a note today saying why I'm sticking up for Trump. Trump. And then he quoted all the things that Rob Reiner has said about Trump. I mean, it's basically, he's a Nazi. He's A puppet. He's a traitor. I understood all that. And what he was saying is if somebody shot Trump, I guess what the inference is Rob Reiner would have probably. But of course he said nice things about Charlie Kirk. So I'm not sure if that would be a fair comparison. But again, it doesn't matter what a person says unless they created great evil otherwise or evil. I don't think Rob Reiner was an evil person. I think he was just a person who was very talented. He went out on his own. He had a famous father. He was born very wealthy and he improved his lot in life. And he from a very comfortable billet and Brentwood. He had a particular worldview that everybody should end up like him and it was unfair that they didn't. And he was going to support DEI and Green and all this other stuff from his compound, but that doesn't make him a bad person. So when he was killed, I got really upset about it. I mean, it was just, I don't know, especially when you have a child like that that they knew was and he was trying to deal. What a horrible thing for a father and mother. They know that if they don't give their son money, he's going to end up on the street, you know, dead. But if you do give him money, you're fueling this habit and he thinks he can take you for granted. So that was when the more you read about it, the more you don't want to read about it. This, this kid was completely spoiled and the parents had bent over backwards. They even he even made a film with him. He tried to help him. He was a good person. I just think his politics were. He got on the Internet and he got hooked on it and then there was no break filter and he just got this idea that he was going to say every terrible thing in the world about Donald Trump. If Donald Trump had just said the following. I thought that that was horrific and tragic that Rob Reiner would be killed and especially killed along with his wife and, and allegedly by his son. This is a tragedy. I want to say that Rod Reiner said some terrible things about me that were untrue and said I was a puppet of Russia, that I was a conspiracist. And that did me a lot of damage. But at this point and at this moment, I'm not going to think about that. I'm going to think about his good part, the good things he did and the good movies he did for Americans. And I'm going to honor him. And I regret Read that he was killed. That's all he had to say.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, exactly. So rest in peace.
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Victor Davis Hanson
And that's important, what he had to say, because he's got one of the best counter revolutionary agendas I've ever thought possible in America. Everything that needed to be addressed, the corruption and entitlements, the dei, the transgender, the open borders, the, the shortfalls on recruit, the two theater wars under Biden, the Iranian. But all of those are so controversial because he's attacking the entrenched left and their enablers. And there is no margin of error. Those are 48, 47%. And so anytime in the next 11 months to the midterms that you say something like that, that you'd lose 48 hours in the news cycle. Forget about the morality of not saying it. You'd lose 48 hours. And everybody's talking about how crude and uncouth. And what they're not talking about is the increase in oil production, foreign investment, new pipeline construction, new imports of liquid natural gas, a great new find of rare earth materials in Utah, tax cuts coming, and the big beautiful bill deregulation. Nah, just talking about a tweet. They've got to stop that. All of them.
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Sammy Wink
Well, since we're on the Trump administration, Susie Wiles recently did a interview with Vanity Fair. And I know that you wanted to talk about it, so I'm going to just let you have the.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Well, I read it and it's what you'd expect. You know, they ask her about Donald Trump and she said he has the energy of an alcoholic. That was out of context. What she said was, if you look later in the article, what she's trying to say is that people who are superhuman, even though they're alcoholic, they can just amaze you. And what she was trying to say was, and she wasn't comparing him, she knows he's never drank alcohol. She was just saying that he is got superhuman impulses and drives. And then they said, well, JD Was a conspiracy. He was kind of a conspiracy guy. I don't think she meant he was Tucker Carlson. He just. When people came to him and said we should investigate if Tyler Robinson acted alone. You know what I mean? But what I'm getting at is you do not, you do not, you do not, you do not ever, ever have an interview with. If you're a conservative with a left wing reporter, they don't call you up and say, hey, you sob, I want to talk to you. They call you up. And I've had three instances with him. Once was a Los Angeles Times reporter. And he said, I really admire you. You're writing about agrarianism. Could I come up and spend two days at your house and follow you around? I think that the. And I said, don't, don't, don't. He goes, I, I said, I don't really trust the law. Oh, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. I know the Fresno area. He came and then he basically said, here's a guy who has never been to Iraq and he's cheering on a war where people get killed. And then I said, no, no. And then I got a call from the Boston Globe and my publisher at the time said, you got to talk to her. She wants to fly all the way out to your farm and do an. I said, I don't want to do it. Do it. She said to yeah, you got to do it because it'll give you great publicity. So she called me from the airport, I need a ride. So I went and picked her up and she stayed a whole day here. And she said, this is wonderful. She met all the family and my kids working. And then she just trashed me. And then the third, and I've never done this again. Few years ago my publisher said the New Yorker has this kind of interview with their kind of snarky little interviews, but they give you great publicity among the book buying and your book on Trump is coming. I said, ah, ah, no, no, no. She said, well, you had a full play, a full page story on you when you wrote Feels About Dream that was in the New Yorker. I said, yes, but Jane Smiley later retracted that and hates my guts. She did that before she knew who I was and they didn't interview me. No, no, please. I said, okay, so a guy named Isaac Choetiner calls me up. I had dinner with you at Christopher Hitchens. I said, I don't remember that. Yes, I did. Are you sure? Yes. You were talking about, he was asking you about your farm. I'm, I'm really into organic foods. I like. Can I come out and do, can we do an interview? And I said, I look at your, these interviews, they're snarky, they're one sided, they're edited and they're hit pieces. Oh, no, they're not. I said, I'll tell you what I'll do. I will do it if there's a transcript made. And because in California it's kind of iffy if you tape somebody on your phone, you know, But I said, I live in. You tape it and then you present the transcript and I have to approve it because I know what you're going to do. You're going to take. Cut. Cut. Splice. Oh, I would never do that. Go read it. It's just a complete. I talked to him for 30 minutes and has nothing. What's in there? And I called him up and I couldn't get a hold of him for a while. And finally I did. I said, you lied to me. Oh, I think I emailed him, you were very dishonest. And he said, well, I just kind of forgot. I just kind of forgot to do the transcript. And I talked to my editor and said, we don't do that. I said all that was known to you. So now about once a month, somebody from New York Times. Can I have a back story? Nope. Washington Post. Oh, I really liked your book. I really like it. On World War II. Nope. Chicago, you know the Chicago Tribune. Well, you, you have a column that were syndicated with us for years. Could I talk to you about the tariff? Nope. Louisiana Times, not too long ago. You want to talk about water issue? Nope, nope, nope, nope. Don't do it. Susie Wild. Don't do it. Under. No, listen to somebody who's 72 years old and got burned 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Don't do it. A liberal journalist has a forked tongue. And they will come out and they will flatter you and they'll say things like, Susie, do you ever feel like you're not appreciated? Susie, do you ever think as the only woman that they don't listen to a different point? Susie, does anybody realize how you started and they draw you out and then they call you and say, hey, this is great and send you a little thank you note. And that's what they did to her. And she's a very brilliant, smart woman and that thing is a complete caricature of her. It's a hit piece.
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Sammy Wink
Do you think Donald Trump pressured her because he takes up those interviews himself?
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Victor Davis Hanson
I don't know why he did the Politico the other day.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, that was crazy.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I wouldn't. He probably did. She had to clear it with him. But he's going to get angry at it. I hope he doesn't take it out on her because she's invaluable. But it's a, put it this way, if they interviewed Obama or Jill Biden, it would be Hunter Biden. It would be favorable. You don't trust any of those people on the left. They're all similar. Yeah.
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Sammy Wink
Well, Victor, let's turn then to a article about he called it the name of the article is the Lost Generation. And it was in a magazine called Compact Magazine and it was by Jacob Savage. And he was giving an anatomy of how white males have been excluded in the last decade, so the last 10 years from major industries because of DEI policies. So he looks at several different industries, television, media, academia, and then he extrapolates other industries. But he brought in a lot of statistics. And while I was thinking, while I was reading, well, it didn't just start 10 years ago. He does have something new because we know that even with your own accounts of your experience trying to get a job as a professor that, you know, for two score years ago it was like this. But he has something new in that. He shows that the exclusion of white males in most industries has passed and gone beyond the 50%. And then for example, humanities and academia, I think they're even below 20% of the population. Are they around 11?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Some journalists place.
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Sammy Wink
So he does show that in the last decade it's just been extreme. But he comes to this conclusion. I thought it was a little bit weak. He says in his last. And humor me here, I got a little bit to read. There's a wounded pride here because he didn't get in his own industry a good job job. He says, and how could. How could there not be? I have two sons. I used to imagine long before they were born that I would take them to film sets and I'd bring them along to exotic locations. Instead, their father spends most of his working day in his bedroom scrolling through spreadsheets because he's got a more mundane job and ticket listings. I think he resells tickets to concerts and stuff. What do I say when my boys ask about my old hopes and dreams? What do I tell them when they ask about theirs? And he said at the this in conclusing concluding part. I don't blame the boomer white male generation that allowed all of that to happen. I don't blame the dei. I do hirees and go ahead.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, I read it and his general thesis is correct, that an old white boy network that was merocratic. I mean they never said you couldn't be hired as a Black person in 1970. I was at Stanford University in 1975. The most capable teacher and the person that I knew that taught me Latin was Gregson Davis. He was a black professor from a family that had in Antigua. He knew Latin like he knew English. He was not an affirmative action candidate. So when you see somebody of that talent, they hired them there Weren't very many. So the next then during the affirmative action, they said, when you do see somebody like that, that like Gregson Davis, then make sure you're not prejudicial against him. And that's happened. I'm sure there was prejudices that he experienced that he didn't voice, but we, the students, loved him. Right? And there was. I had a lot of female. One of my best as a colleague, as a visiting professor there, Susan Treg or Carolyn Deall taught me. Dorfreya, Freda taught me. They were all. But the next level, right before George Floyd was this isn't enough. We have to actively cultivate, let in more people without a merocratic basis. So that's what we did. And so the white males who did this, who had jobs and remember, they did not retire at 65. I saw it happen at Stanford and Cal State stayed. They said, 65 is a new 50 and I can never make this money again. And I'm doing less and less and making more and more. And I'm saying till I'm 80. And if you say I have to get out, it's ageist. So they stayed, and then they kept making these rules that never applied to themselves. So then you'd see these people at Cal State that I knew this was in the 80s and 90s. They. How you doing today, Don? Well, pretty good, Victor. I. I taught my one class at Clovis, and then I drove over to Fresno City, and then I taught another one, and then I drove 40 miles to Reedley College, and then I drove another, I don't know, 40 miles to college of Sequoias, and I came back and did a night class at Citi. I said, you're teaching at 4, 5? Yes, I am. I said, you have benefit? No. And I said, well, don't these people have tenure track jobs? Yes. Do they hire you? No, they're diversity. They didn't use that word. It was affirmative action. So we all knew. So then that started and they got the racial. So suddenly it became absurd. Right before George Floyd, 55% of PhDs in the humanities were women. And you were pretty much at 12% black, 10% Latino, 9% Asian, 34, 35% of new hires, white males. You were demographically for the bean counters. You were there. Yes, that. And that meant a lot of exclusion. So when I applied, I had a PhD. I had done all the work. I graduated when I was 17 from Cal, and I. Excuse me. I was admitted when I was 17 and I got out when I was 20, 21. 21. I went to Stanford when I was 21 years old. PhD, I was teaching when I was 22. I did all of the 12 seminars. I did the Greek and Latin language exams. I did the Greek and Latin composition exams. I did the French and German exams. I did the Greek lit, Roman lit exam. I did the Greek history, Roman history. And I did my PhD six topics or four topics all. By the time I was 25 and my thesis was finished and I spent one year at the American School of Classical Studies and the University of Pisa was going to publish my thesis and I went out. Hi, I'm Victor. I'm going to apply. And I applied for the only. There were 17 jobs and I got one letter from the U.S. naval Academy. The best. I was a military historian. So I go back there at the convention and I meet these people. I don't know if they're still alive, but if you hear I'm here, I'm talking about you. This guy says, okay, yes. Could you tell me what happened at Marathon? Yes. Does your knowledge extend to modern military history that we might be interested in? I said, kind of. Well, tell me about the Prussian reinforcement at Waterloo. Do you know anything about trafalgar? I said, HMS Victory, three banks, one of the biggest, 92 gunships, that kind of stuff. So he takes me aside and he says, interview over. He was an officer. And he said, that was the best interview we've ever had. You would be great here. We're not going to hire you. I said, why? He said, well, we. We have all these white males and we're under a direction and we have a female candidate. We. And I met the female candidate. I'm not going to mention her name. She was there and was hired. And he said. I said, could I just say one thing? I said, you're all white males and you all came out in a different system. Why don't. Is there any of. I said, one of your people that was interviewing me looked like he was about 65. Why doesn't he just retire and I'll take his place and then you can hire the female for your new. Oh, no. What are you talking. He got kind of angry. Don't, don't. I'm not going to tell anybody I talk to you. I said, okay, fine. And so that was it. That was it. So I said, I don't know. I called my parents. They said, well, your grandfather died, your grandmother's got dementia, the house is falling apart. Would you come back for a summer? Next thing Five years farming. And then I went to Cal State, Fresno. And the first thing they said, why would we hire a white guy, a white male? Mail. And I said, you can, we'll hire you for a class or two. And then I did it. And then the next year we'll hire you maybe full time if you can build a program. And then I did it. And then I had to apply for my job that I created, so I won't mention the person's name. And he, this is the chairman of the search committee, whom I knew. This is my third year there now and I'm making 23,000. I'm in the big bucks, man. It's not $6,500 anymore. And he says to me, me, I can't believe what he. I'm going to say this. So he says to me, well, we have 114 people applying for your job. And one of them, the hotel is full and we don't think it's ethical that the hiring committee should have him stay. Can you have him stay at your house? I said, okay. So I drove him all the way down to Selma and he was applying to my job and he stayed here with us and my kids played with him. He's a nice guy. And then I was so. And then he said, this is only an academic could do this to a person. Then he says, you know, I love skiing. And I said, yeah, I know you do. And he said, there's a knockout woman that's applied. And I was telling her about China Peak and we were thinking, m man. I thought, well, if we can hire, we can ski up there together. And I said, you ask her what author she specialized in or what her thesis taught. Well, no, you know skiing, but you know, you're in the area and you kind of farm, why don't you go back to part time a class or two. And then I said, I built this program. I taught 10 classes for two years. I created the FTE, the full time equivalent so that it earned the position, the position I earned. Does that mean you don't want me to hire her? And I said, yep. And so that's my experience. And then that went with the neck every time I had a position. One time the dean said, you're going to hire a woman or a minority? And I said, well, what if the best candidate is the person here already on a part time contract? He's a white male, you can hire him, but I'm not going to sign it. I said, what if the provost signs it? The provost will not Sign it over. My name. I said, maybe she will. So we hired him and I went to the provost and made the case. And provost was pretty good. And then he called me and said, I'm calling the provost because I just canceled your search. I could. Good luck. And he was overruled. And then he said, you're up for tenure. And I said, no, actually, you tenured me last year. Don't you remember? You gave me early tenure. And he never spoke to me again. Except this is again with an academic.
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Sammy Wink
You're a formidable person to be up against.
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Victor Davis Hanson
No, he called me when he was 90 years old. Yes. Right before he died and said, I did all these favors for you and you became known and you never called me. And then his wife got on the phone and said, you treated my husband terribly. And I said, I treated your husband too kindly. He called my mother when she was dying of brain cancer and she was a judge who was very well known. And he called her up and said, you, son is going to hire a white male at my school of humanities. And if he does, I'm going to destroy him. Why? She had cancer. Then she died about a month later. That's what academics are like. So this article basically says a white male cast that had everything going decided they were going to feel good about the themselves and bring a lot of young women and minorities. And they did. And then after George Floyd, they went nuts. So there was no more proportional representation. It was, we're not going to have 11% black. We're going to have 20. We're not going to have 49% women. We're going to have 55. And we're going to go, well, they're not in the pool. We're going to hire them anyway. Then he makes a very intriguing, careful suggestion he throws Out. Out. Mr. Savage doesn't say it, but he says maybe, kind of, sort of. You think it could happen perhaps, probably in theory, that the decline in media and reporting and law might be because we have been hiring for the last 10 years on the basis of tribal affiliations and not merit. Yes. And then there's a great response to it.
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Sammy Wink
Can we take a break first and then come back?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yes, stay with us.
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Sammy Wink
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Victor Davis Hanson
So there's a great response from the Yale trained Jeremy Carle. I knew Jeremy at the Hoover Institution. He was a brilliant guy. He worked for George Shultz, he did assessments of cost to benefit analyses of green projects, everything. Like he had four or five children. He took a year, he went to Montana. But he wrote a book about anti white racism. It's a great book. He was on our podcast, so he wrote a little posting on his blog. He said basically what I just said, maybe I copied him. He said, well, the guy has all of the rights diagnoses, but he has no therapy or prognosis. He's just basically saying, I was treated badly and I had to leave and I'm just kind of a tragic hero now and I'm just going to kind of wimp around and I wish things were better. But these people weren't really evil. They were just misguided and they did a lot of damage. And he said, no, they didn't do a lot of damage. They destroyed their institutions and every one of them is not as good as it was. And the quality of higher education and law and reporting is terrible because we hired people on the basis of their tribal affiliations or appearance. And these were not nice people. The white men who did this that you're talking about were not just old fuddy duddies. They were people who consciously said, we are not giving up our positions, but we're going to disenfranchise a whole generation of white people. Maybe not wealthy white people that knew them and had contacts, but Joe Smith from Kansas State, he wasn't going to get a job. And then the people who, who were opportunistically grabbing those jobs when they knew they were not qualified, they weren't great people either. I'm sorry. And he was. Jeremy was really good about that. So as Forrest Gump says, that's all I'm going to say about that.
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Sammy Wink
I think that his conclusion was angling to get somebody to hire him. That was among the DEI people that now control everything.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Myself, I only had one prejudice at. I've hired a lot of people at the Hoover Institution, but I only had one president. I wanted him to have a PhD in classics and they were quite diverse. I didn't think they were diverse. We just hired a young woman. I didn't even think. I didn't care whether she was male. Female, I don't care. Right. Just so I just need somebody highly trained in languages and analyses and all the people that we have There are classics PhDs that are fellows.
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Sammy Wink
Well Victor, at the end of the show I like to read comments by our listeners and these ones are ones that have been sent into you at various times with the exception of one. I have one, but here I have some of them are longer letters and I've just chosen parts of them. In fact all of them are. So I'm just reading parts of it. And this was from Cindy Smicker from Pennsylvania and she says I'm a 58 year old high school math teacher in Pocono Mountains, Pennsylvania. As you can imagine, I am one of a very few conservative Republicans surrounded by predominantly very liberal Democratic teachers. There. There are many times that I want to shout listen to Victor and your entire life will change. But of course it's not that simple. So thank you Cindy. And this is from John R. And Carol Wilson and they're in Fresno and they say thank you for Shar who and what God has created you to be and for your faithfulness in allowing our world to be what has become a greater part of your life.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Thank you. I really appreciate that. I have no idea the response see, because I just talk but I don't know if people listen.
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Sammy Wink
Oh my gosh. Yes. And this is from Jared Daniel Ritchie. I am a 41 year old father of seven and PhD candidate who teaches music at a conservative class Christian academy. Our students read the classics and are part of the remnant that still does. I enjoyed your appearances on Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson sorry Fox News show but I love that I can hear you on your podcast multiple times each week. May God grant you health to continue in your great work. So I thought that was sweet.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Very sweet. I'm going to find out very soon as I speak what my health future is. But whatever it is, not yet. And I will be back.
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Sammy Wink
All right, and then the last one is on an article you wrote on your website Cry the beloved Europe. And Michael Roche says liberal elites in Europe lecture the plebes from their towers to perform a humiliation ritual of self loathing for DEI and other bs. This about diversity. Importing the diversity of people that have destroyed their own country is not compatible with long term survival. The imminence immigrants to the west are here only to loot what they can get and destroy What Westerners have built and liberal elites have diluted themselves in cheering it on. So there you go.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Sounds like my grandfather. I was a kind of a little bookworm. And he was this gruff Swedish guy. He never went to college. He was a World War I disabled veteran, gassed Frank Hansen. And he had a very. He was actually born on the way from Sweden in Chicago, but he had a Swedish accent and spoke fluent Swedish. So I'd say, did we come from Sweden? I was like eight. He said, yeah, we did. And I said, well, what was it like over there? No, it was not good. Talked to my dad. He told me all about. And I said, why? He said, we farmed rocks. Here we have it. I said, well, what was so bad? Well, Victor, it was like all the people who controlled Sweden, their place is not as nice as this place. We farm rocks and now we farm the best land in the world. He had a little 40 acres and he said, the weather, the America, it's so much better. And we are out. We are on the top now, and they aren't. And we were the dregs. We were the worst. That's what they said. But we were really the best. And now all the best people left and they all thought they were the worst. And now they're the best and they are. Can't get over it. So don't listen. My dad would third. He goes, you don't have to buy a Volvo. You don't have to buy Electrolocks. You don't have to eat rye crackers. This is America. He was basically, oh, and the little Alphabet butter cookies.
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Sammy Wink
A, B, C. That fish with the. That's preserved.
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Victor Davis Hanson
No, I can't eat that. And the drink. The drink, too. The liqueur. Yeah. I was the marshal of the Swedish Festival in Kingsburg one year. That was very great honor. I love Kingsburg, California. I like all the people in Kingsburg. In fact, people say to me, is there any chance you'd move to Kingsburg? And if I was just. Maybe I will. If I get over this problem, I'll just sell and move to Kingsburg Ginsburg and become a Swede again.
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Sammy Wink
That might be a good idea.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I think it would. It's one of the most beautiful communities and the people are nice and I'd fit in again. My father was from there. Yeah.
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Sammy Wink
Well, Victor, this is going to be our last before Christmas, so we wish you a merry Christmas.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Merry Christmas, everybody.
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Sammy Wink
We wish our audience a merry Christmas. Thank you for joining us and choosing to join the Victor Davis Hansen in his own words show. So Victor, thank you, thank you, thank.
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Victor Davis Hanson
You for listening and watching.
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Sammy Wink
This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis Hanson and we're signing off.
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Sammy Wink
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Sammy Wink
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