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Title: California Water Wars: Environmentalist Dam Removal Could Leave 600,000 People Without Water
Date: December 30, 2025
Host: Jack Fowler
Guest: Victor Davis Hanson

In this episode, Victor Davis Hanson, a historian and classicist, delivers a trenchant historical and cultural analysis on the California water crisis — specifically, the consequences of environmentalist-driven dam removals and evolving tribal land rights. Drawing on both historical perspective and current legal conflicts, Hanson argues that recent efforts to halt or dismantle rural California water infrastructure, driven by environmental groups and tribal claims, could deprive up to 600,000 people of their water supply. The discussion also pivots to broader themes of American victimhood culture, the crisis of state governance, European-American relations, assimilation, and historical memory, notably regarding Pearl Harbor.

Key Topics and Insights

1. The California Water War: Environmentalist Dam Removal and Its Consequences

[04:00–19:28]

• Background:

  • Recent coverage on “unwon.com” highlights a dispute in rural California over dam removals affecting water diversions in Sonoma and Mendocino counties.
  • The Round Valley Indian Tribe's attorney asserts a halt to longstanding water diversions that supply both farms and communities.
  • Environmental groups, state bureaucrats, nonprofit organizations, and utilities (notably PG&E) are aligning to remove existing dams, facing pressure over environmental and indigenous land claims.

• Victor’s Core Arguments:

  • California’s water system was engineered by visionary builders, providing a “margin of error” that new generations now erode instead of stewarding.
  • Victor challenges the basis for revoking century-old water contracts, highlighting that actual water diversions from the Eel River are minor (“only about 2 or 3%...honoring pretty old water contracts” [07:14]).
  • He criticizes the ideal of reverting entirely to pre-colonial land use, highlighting the complex and often violent history of indigenous land acquisition pre-dating American settlement.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “The environmentalist lawyers are saying that existing contracts ... can be vitiated, invalidated because of ancestral hunting grounds.” – Victor [07:14]
  • “No indigenous people ... fought with each other constantly. If you want to talk about an imperialist project, look at the history of the Comanches or the Lakota Sioux...” – Victor [09:10]
  • “We want all of [modern civilization] but I want an enclave. So I pick and choose. I pick and choose when I want the post-indigenous world and when I don’t.” – Victor [13:18]

• Consequences:

  • Up to 600,000 rural Californians face potential water loss—a population larger than some U.S. cities.
  • This policy, Victor argues, is more of a symbolic act aimed at “punishing civilization,” not one that meaningfully restores or benefits indigenous culture or the environment.
  • The broader effect, he warns, accelerates California's population exodus and state financial crisis.

2. The Problem of Victimhood, Identity Politics, and State Governance

[17:30–23:15]

• Identity Politics and Victimhood:

  • Hanson connects the California water dispute to a broader societal trend where identity-based claims (tribal, ethnic, etc.) are used to challenge longstanding legal and social arrangements.
  • “Everybody can find and really kind of milk or juice victimhoods ... and that’s not a healthy thing to do, that to look at yourself as a victim.” – Victor [18:57]

• Failures of Governance:

  • The current system allows government and certain privileged groups to act with impunity, drawing a comparison to Soviet immunity (Chernobyl analogy [23:15]).
  • California’s financial mismanagement (deficits, failed infrastructure projects, and high costs) compounds its inability to address basic needs like water, he argues.
  • “They’re going to destroy what’s left of California, because people are leaving paradise, former paradise, because they made it into purgatory. And this is why.” – Victor [24:36]

3. Listener Questions Segment

A. Historical Events Victor Would Witness
[28:04–29:25]

• Gettysburg Address by Lincoln
• Pericles’ Funeral Oration in Ancient Athens
• V-E Day in New York City
• Liberation of Paris in WWII

B. Advising World Leaders
[29:28–37:48]

• Victor's message would be to the EU Parliament, warning of demographic decline, weak defense, and problematic dual-identity (NATO vs. EU) politics.
• Emphasizes the failure of assimilation and risk of “civilizational erasure”:
  • “You’re on a trajectory that will make us impossible to be equals because you have adopted policies that ensure your fertility rate is 1.4 and it’s going down.” – Victor [30:50]
  • “You play bad cop and good cop... the NATO countries slobber all over Donald Trump and call him Daddy, at least to his face... and then you flip over the same countries ... and then you sue Elon Musk...” – Victor [34:20]

C. Assimilation: U.S. vs. Europe
[38:16–40:12]

• Observes that America, despite challenges, assimilates immigrants more successfully than Europe—who, he says, “can’t handle that much [immigration].”
• Attributes this to America’s lack of class titles or old hierarchies and its tradition of rewarding talent.

D. Western Civilization's Roots and Modern Defenders
[40:27–42:29]

• “It is Judeo-Christian tradition, classical Greece, Rome. It’s the trifecta of Jerusalem, Athens and Rome.” – Victor
• Warns that suppressing pride in this heritage will provoke resistance from within.

E. On Ingratitude Among Some Immigrant Politicians
[41:40–42:29]

• “There’s nothing worse than ingratitude... one of the most important of all virtues to show gratitude for benefaction. And they don’t, they really don’t.” – Victor

4. Pearl Harbor — Historical Significance and Memory

[42:52–56:30]

• Pearl Harbor Reflections:
  • Describes the context: a surprise attack by Japan in 1941, after years of U.S. warnings and attempts to restrain Japanese expansion in China and Southeast Asia.
  • Disputes revisionist accounts suggesting mutual provocation; insists, “we had done nothing to provoke that attack” [43:54].
  • Analyzes Japanese strategic errors at Pearl Harbor: failure to destroy U.S. carriers or oil facilities, limiting their initial tactical gains.
  • Recounts how Japanese brutality exceeded that of the Germans by some measures, referencing their massacre of civilians and POWs throughout Asia.
• On Japanese American Experience:
  • Acknowledges the injustice and hardship endured by Japanese Americans forced into internment camps.
  • Notes the loyalty and heroism of Japanese-American soldiers, notably the “Go For Broke” 442nd Regimental Combat Team in Italy during WWII.
• Memorable Story:
  • “He would come over to my place when I was farming and tell me he was Japanese American, how horrible it was in the camps at Manzanar ... Most of them, 99.9 were very loyal and enlisted when they ... to fight in Italy.” – Victor [52:26]

Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “The environmentalist lawyers are saying that existing contracts ... can be vitiated, invalidated because of ancestral hunting grounds.” – Victor [07:14]
• “If you want to talk about an imperialist project, look at the history of the Comanches or the Lakota Sioux ...” – Victor [09:10]
• “We want all of [modern civilization] but I want an enclave. So I pick and choose. I pick and choose when I want the post-indigenous world and when I don’t.” – Victor [13:18]
• “Everybody can find and really kind of milk or juice victimhoods ... and that’s not a healthy thing to do, that to look at yourself as a victim.” – Victor [18:57]
• “They’re going to destroy what’s left of California, because people are leaving paradise, former paradise, because they made it into purgatory. And this is why.” – Victor [24:36]
• “You’re on a trajectory that will make us impossible to be equals because you have adopted policies that ensure your fertility rate is 1.4 and it’s going down.” – Victor [30:50]
• “There’s nothing worse than ingratitude... one of the most important of all virtues to show gratitude for benefaction.” – Victor [41:40]
• “It’s the trifecta of Jerusalem, Athens and Rome.” – Victor [40:27]
• “We had done nothing to provoke that attack. Had Japan not attacked, we would have never attacked them.” – Victor [43:54]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:00] Begin discussion of California water crisis, dam removals, and environmental/legal battles
• [07:14] Historical analysis of water law, land rights, and indigenous claims
• [13:18] Critique of selective use of modern civilization versus indigenous identity
• [17:30–19:28] Broader analysis: victimhood, identity politics, and society
• [23:15] Governmental immunity and California’s policy and financial failures
• [28:04] Listener questions: historical events Hanson would like to witness
• [29:28] Advice to world leaders (focus: EU and Europe’s future)
• [38:16] Discussion of assimilation in US vs. Europe
• [40:27] Western civilization’s roots and necessity of defense
• [42:29] Reflections on citizenship and recent immigrants’ attitudes
• [42:52] Pearl Harbor historical overview and Hanson’s critique of revisionism
• [52:26] Japanese American experience and heroism in WWII

Takeaways

• Victor Davis Hanson issues a powerful critique of the current direction of California’s water policy and broader governance, warning that ideological and identity-based policymaking is unraveling the infrastructure and civic culture built by previous generations.
• He ties the water dispute to deep cultural currents: an overemphasis on grievance and identity, declines in assimilation, and loss of gratitude for the achievements and opportunities of American civilization.
• The episode closes with a sobering historical reflection, urging listeners to understand history’s complexities, value social cohesion, and protect both physical and civic infrastructure for future generations.

For listeners seeking sharp historical perspective on contemporary policy debates and the dangers of ideological overreach, this episode is densely packed with argument, memorable anecdotes, and warnings for the future.