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DHS Shutdown Fight, Iran Threats, and Political Chaos on Capitol Hill | Victor Davis Hanson
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Interviewer / Host
Iran will strike the US homeland? That seems to be a concern with those drones.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Oh, drones, no. How would they be launched? Even if they had a range of 4 or 500 miles, they would be tracked by US Navy and destroyed. Any ship that got between Hawaii and the United States would be destroyed. But they've had an attack. We've had four attacks by naturalized citizens and we have no idea to what degree they were influenced by Iranian people. On the Internet, they looked at the fourth quarter shutdown, longest in our history, last three months, six, September, October, November, December. And they said to themselves, we reduced GDP by two or three points and stall the economy and Trump was going to have this great fourth quarter and then roar into 2026. So then they said, we're going to shut down the government unless you do the following to dhs. So here, the Congress going into an administrative cabinet and telling them what they can and can't do, which is an executive branch, they're saying to them, we knew you were going to do this. So we've already funded them. The big beautiful bill. They're funded. It has nothing to do with dhs. And they said, okay, but we're going to hurt you in a different way. We're going to stop all the security at all the airports. We're going to not pay these people for over a month and we're not going to pay anybody else in DH that does all this stuff. And then the Republicans said, well, why don't we just talk about ice. The Democrats can't talk about it because the half the party, Ilyan Omar, you know, and AOC and all these, they don't want any ice.
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Interviewer / Host
The new Ayatollah may, his sexual preference may be gay, which is no big deal in the west, but for Islam, that doesn't seem to comport.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I was wondering whether they were going to hang him on a crane as they do, or throw him off a building or stone him.
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Interviewer / Host
Hello and welcome to Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. We're glad you could join us. This is the Friday News Roundup and we've got a lot on the docket about Iran and Cuba and what's going on on the Hill. So stay with us and we'll be right back with those stories.
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Interviewer / Host
Welcome back and we're happy to have everybody. Thank you for joining us. We are a subsidiary of the Daily Signal, so I hope everybody goes there and they are associated with Heritage foundation, so please go to their websites and have a look at what they do. Victor is the Martin and Neely Anderson Senior Fellow in Military History and Classics at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marcia Buskey Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College. You can find him at his website, victorhanson.com and the name of the website is the Blade of Perseus. Please come join us there. So Victor, lots going on still with Iran. I know that you and Jack discussed Iran on your Thursday show, but I had other questions to discuss with you on that. And so I'd like to start with a couple of things that have been floating around in the press either this week or last week. And one of them is do you think that Iran will strike the US Homeland? That seems to be a concern with those drones. I was wondering your thoughts on that.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Oh, drones? No, but I mean, they have to how would they be launched? Even if they had a range of 4 or 500 miles, they would be tracked by US Navy and destroyed. Any ship that got between Hawaii and the United States would be destroyed. But they've had an attack We've had four attacks by naturalized citizens and we have no idea to what degree they were influenced by Iranian people on the Internet. And we had a Hezbollah guy, the person who ran the synagogue in Michigan's brother was in Hezbollah. They are directly controlled by Iran. No doubt he communicated with his Hezbollah relatives. And so, yeah, I mean, they have ways of. And they've almost, they almost killed the Saudi ambassador. They went after Trump, Bolton, Mike Pompeo. So, yeah, we should expect that. And they're doing the same thing in Europe.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah. It also seems that Trump is preparing the much feared and awaited perhaps ground offensive. Do you think that that is going to happen? It seems that he's moving more troops over to the region.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Now, that's a tripwire because so far he said that the MAGA reluctance for a forever war or endless war did not include preemptive one offs. So kill Soleimani, one off. Kill Baghdadi, one off. Bomb ISIS one off. Kill the Wagner group, one off. Go into Venezuela, one off. Take out the nuclear facilities at Fedor and other places in Iran last summer, one off. But once you bring ground troops and they're not just in and out, it's going to be difficult. And why would he do that? I think Carg island is up to the north, but it's where 90% of their oil is pipelined to the island. And then it gives you the advantage that ships can come on all sides of the island. So it's a massive export center and he hasn't hit the oil on it. It's got subterranean assembly plants of everything, weapons. So I think the idea is that now that he's taken all the military installations out and now that they're watching every second, every foot of that island, there must be a lot of Iranians ready for them. So it could be dicey. But I think the idea would be one of two goals. One would be to take Kharg island and then start processing the oil when the Strait of Horroz was open and say you're going to put it in account for the Iranian people and starve the regime of its money and then say to the Iranian people, this is going to get dicey, but the money will come to you if you get rid of these people. And the other is right across the Strait of Hormuz. I think he's trying to create a sanitary corridor. They have ballistic missile silos along the coast aimed at the Gulf Petro nations. So the idea is that did they get them all by air power? Probably not. So you would Put marines along the edge of the coast and make an enclave. And then they would guard that shoulder of the Straits of Hormuz so that no missiles or troops or boats could come anywhere near. They would occupy the land and on Carg island they'd cut off the oil and that would require ground troops. But that's an escalatory step. It's going to be difficult. So it's a way. It's like a rock, scissors, paper game you played. They are hoping that we'll quit and they're ropey doping. They're just saying, yeah, you know Monty Python, the guy that got all his limbs cut off and said he was ready to fight or I remember in John Wayne's the Shootist, Richard Boone played a character where John Wayne on the last day of his life was going to kill three bad guys and he had a little table in the saloon and he charged him and John Wayne relaxed, just shot right through, right through, right through, right through. And the more that he shot and at Richard Boone he said, take that. Richard Boone said that kind of like in Lonesome Dove, Robert Duvall was running away from these awful blue duck people, the, the bandit blue ducks men. And they were screaming. There were Indians, so called Native Americans with them. And one guy, he had shot about five of them, but he charged him and he's yelling. He just smiled and then just kind of relaxed and put his.45 right in his head and the guy. And he blew him up. So that's what Iran is. They're feisty, they're angry. They say they were winning, but they're being annihilated. And their hope is, very briefly you can see what their hope is. The American left, the European left, the self loathing oikophobia of the West, Western nations and culture in general to intimidate the Gulf monarchies. 20% of the world's oil goes to the Strait of Hormuz. Cut that off. And then just last. And Trump says we've got so much punishment. And he's telling his generals, no doubt, come on, come on, come on, come on. One more week, one more week. And they say, okay, but we're running short of this and that. And we've got this. Two carriers, they've been out there for months. Come on, come on, come on. So something's going to break and the question is whether it's going to be the willpower of the administration, given the midterm and MAGA pressure it's under, or the Iranians. The Iranian people can't really, the Israelis are doing something very unique. They're going after the people that killed the protesters. So they're going after checkpoints with drones. They know from their intelligence they've got so many people that hate that regime, and there's so many cell phones and there's so many Starlink stuff that people are able to contact them. There was a really bizarre story today where he called up a Republican Guard officer, and they said, you're going. You're a dead. He said, I'm. Yeah, I'm a dead man walking, but I didn't do anything wrong. You know, so they're contacting individual people and saying, you're going to die. This is a new dimension. So if there's a lot of that, and the Israelis just wait for a phone call and a guy calls up and says, I'm on the sixth floor of my apartment, and there is a checkpoint right onto the street. Here's my address. And they know the GPS anyway, from his phone. They can keep hitting those with drones, and that's what they're doing, but there's a lot of them. So the Israelis want to go three or four more weeks to eliminate the command and control. They're doing the command and control mostly, and we're doing the infrastructure. We're trying to find the assembly. Apparently, they must have a lot more missiles, 3,4000 than we thought, because they're still sending these cluster bomb missiles, which are impossible to defend against because when they break up or when they explode, these little bomblets go everywhere.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah, that looks really dangerous, too. Well, since you mentioned the Strait of Hormuz, it seems like the European countries, meaning Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany, have all said, this is not NATO's mission to the Iraqi War. And so they're taking a step back. And there's been a lot of pushback from people in the United States. The one that I thought was most interesting is, don't they. The. The commentator wrote, don't they realize that the United States has lost 102,000 men since the end of World War II helping to defend the European continent?
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Victor Davis Hanson
So the answer.
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Interviewer / Host
Thanks. Right.
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Victor Davis Hanson
No. I mean, Colin Powell said that during the Iraq War, that when they said, get out or we don't want you here, and he said, does that include the cemeteries of all the people who died saving you? I mean, in my own family. Holt Cather was my mom's first cousin. He was killed right after Normandy. And then my grandfather, Frank Hansen was gassed in World War I. He was just on a farm in Kingsburg. Minding his own business. He was 26 years old and he didn't even know what was going on. And they said France, France and England would have been. The German spring offensive would have crushed it. So they got there just in time. But, yeah, their argument is we told Trump not to do this and he did it all alone. So he didn't want allies and he offended us in Greenland and therefore we're just going to sit here and watch it. And the subtext is we're going to be the beneficiaries of that because there'll be no more Iran with nuclear weapons. Hopefully we won't be in missile range and we won't have these terrorists. And if we want to get rid of some of these Muslim, Islamic enclaves in Europe, there won't be a terrorist reaction because this Iranian pathological government funds everything. They're the only ones that have the money. The Gulf have stopped funding for the most part. Qatar's a different story, but most part. So Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis are getting money from Iran, so they want him to be removed and they want to keep doing it, but they, they don't want to be involved because they're scared of, A, their own Muslim populations that are non assimilated, B, they don't have many assets. I think Britain has maybe if you call them combat ships, 35 major combat ships and they've got like 45 admirals. So this is the army. I mean, the navy of Lord Nelson. It's just a joke. They can't even get to Cyprus with one ship after two weeks. So they won't have much to offer except credibility. And we have allies and the world's united, but they're not going to help. I think they should be very careful because the next time they get in a jam in a unilateral fashion, that's not a NATO mission like the British going into the Falklands. And then if they call up, this is Margaret Thatcher in 1982 and she calls Reagan and say, we need your sophisticated intelligence. Intelligence. We need your sophisticated naval intel. We want to know where the Argentine submarines are. We want to know about your intelligence on the ground in Argentina. We need your fuel, we need your weapons, we need your tomahawk and we need an extra carrier. If we lose one, could you give that all to us? Yes. I think the answer is going to be no.
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Interviewer / Host
That's pretty crazy, huh?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Because we were in the same position. We were like Margaret, that can we use Diego Garcia just to land some beautiful. Nope, nope. You can't do it. Okay? That's the new rule. So I would be very careful, especially when we're the deterrent that protects them from Putin going further west from Ukraine. But they hate Trump and they know their populations do. So even the people that like us, the Poles, the Italians, they know that if they were to send a ship or two, their own populations would be furious.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah, that's certain. Well, Victor, let's talk a little bit more about the Israel Lebanon front and then also whether the Ayatollah is gay or not. But first, I would like to welcome back a sponsor, my Patriot Supply. If a major disruption happened and you couldn't get to the store, how long do you think you would last with what's in your house right now? If it isn't any. Oh, sorry. If it's anything less than a month, you need to check out our friends at my Patriot Supply. They're America's number one preparedness company with over 3 million satisfied customers. And right now, when you go to preparewithvictor.com their best selling 4 week emergency food supply comes with an additional week of food free. This is the best long term storable food you can find. You're getting at least 2,000 calories a day. Real meals with real ingredients, no artificial flavoring or colors and shelf life measured in decades. Look, we all know we need to have some food stored for emergencies. Why not get it from the most trusted folks in the business and get a free week of food. While you're at. While you're at it, go to preparewithvdh.com to get your free week of emergency food today. That's Prepare with vdh. We'd like to thank my Patriot Supply for sponsoring the Victor Davis Hanson show. So Victor, I was just wondering your thoughts on this Israel Lebanon front. Do you think that the Lebanese government that is not part of Hezbollah will join and help the Israelis? Is kind of my curiosity.
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Victor Davis Hanson
No, they haven't done it in 50 years. They're not. I mean, if you put the Sunni population of Lebanon and the Christian population, which by the way is shrinking, people are fleeing and the United States from Lebanon. And you add it up, the Shia are only about half as I recall. So they have the numbers. But the Christians don't get along with the Shia and they have more in common actually than the Shia and the Sunnis do. The Christians don't get along, I should say, with the Sunnis. They surely don't get along with the Shia. But the Sunnis and the Christians are not good partners and they have a rotating government, so they just don't have. And we gave them weapons and the Biden administration tried to beep them up. And they're not particularly fond of Israel either. So it doesn't seem to me that they're going to do anything. And that's why the Israelis are in there. And they've gone in there so often. The graveyard of the Israeli army, we were told, given their bad experiences in the 80s and going in there, but getting bogged down. They're just trying to create a corridor along the border where there's no Hezbollah people and they can make sure that short range drones and rockets don't hit them. And then they're trying to get their informants to tell people exactly where their rockets are. You know, I saw on the Internet there were some leftists deploring what we're doing to back Beirut, but they don't ever say that Hezbollah comes in and puts these missiles in the basements of all these apartment buildings and everybody know. And then in the middle of the night they take them out to a launching pad. So why don't they just, you know, if they're going to allow that to happen. And then I don't know what I would do if I was in an apartment and a bunch of thugs came in and said, we're going to use your apartment to put a missile. And you said, well, you're going to blow us all up and put a gun to my head. That's what you're talking about?
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah, you sure are. Thug tactics. Well, there's been a lot of news in the very recent press and we are recording on Wednesday that the new Ayatollah may, his sexual preference may be gay, which is no big deal in the west, but for Islam, that doesn't seem to comport. But I was wondering, I mean, that's riff for, you know, I was wondering
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Victor Davis Hanson
whether they were going to hang him on a crane, as they do, or throw him off a building or stone him. It's very interesting because the first reports came out that he was a hypocrite. Not only did the Khamene family have a lot of investments, put it that way, in the United Kingdom, but he was going there for impotence treatment. But that wasn't the story. Apparently the gay Tola is impotent only when it comes to women. That his family had known that, that he wasn't able to procreate. And they pass it off as impotence among the rumor mill of the elite. But he was not able to perform his marital duties because he was married to a woman, apparently, and he had no enjoyment of it. So I don't know how you treat somebody for that. But he may be okay if he's with men, but he may be dead if he's with men. So it doesn't matter. He's out of commission. That's the least of his problems right now. They're killing everyone. Laranjani they're going down the list. Israel, the head of the intelligence, the head of the defense, the head of the Republican, the Revolutionary Guard, the head of the Bashis Bash or whatever you pronounce that they're going down list person by person. And the Iranians say that we're a system, it doesn't matter who leads it. And the Israelis say no. At some key point, everybody's that has any responsibility at all knows they're going to be dead and they would. They're not going to go to work, they're going to hide out and that's going to cause the collapse.
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Interviewer / Host
You know, the strange thing about that is that it doesn't seem, for all the talk of hitting all the heads of various organizations either in Iran or of the Hezbollah, they still seem to come back and come back and kind of stay alive in ways. But, I mean, I hope they can get rid of them, but it doesn't.
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Victor Davis Hanson
That's the tactical. Tactically they can. But the question not tactically, the question is, is there somebody in charge who says this morning we have 89 landmines, we have 500 sea mines, we have this number of ballistic missiles stored up in the mountains, and we're going to distribute it to these locations? I don't think they have those people. So you have people. It's like they're dying on the vine. You have berries on the vine, but somebody's coming cut the cambium layer of the stump and they can't get nourishment. So it's just a matter of the whole key is at what point, if you're an Iranian, do you feel safe enough and angry enough after they killed 30,000 of you to go back out and hope that people who killed you before are going to flip or leave you alone and have a mass protest, like 100,000 people in the streets? And what would happen if you did? Would you be killed? Would some of the people defect to your side? Would Israeli drones be monitoring it and kill the people that wanted to kill it? Nobody knows.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah. How the coup and overthrow and the assumption of a civilian government would happen. I know they have a parliament that under the ayatollah obviously didn't do much, but how that will turn to a functioning civilian government seems to be the big question. All right. And then last thing on Iran that I have, I've seen sort of some, you know, whisper of this in the media, but it seems like if you look at the entirety of Iranian the history of Iran or that region, they have two large traditions. The Persian tradition, which is earlier and subverted in the 7th century by the and 8th century by the Islamic tradition, wouldn't the Iranians. Or it seems to me that culturally you could say, well, the Islamic tradition has really turned this place into a disaster. Why don't we go back further to our roots as Persians and Persian society. And a Persian society that I know was brutal. It was dictatorial, of course, back in those days, but it also had informed most of what was called the golden age of Islam, meaning that most of the scholars came out of a Persian. So it has a very strong cultural intellectual.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I think that's the problem that the regime is having, that they have a Zoroastrism religious tradition. And there were three peoples in most of Iran. There were the Persians and the Medes who were conquered, as we learned from Herodotus. And then there were the Parthians who came into prominence during the Roman period. But they were all Iranian Turkic people, at least the Parthians were. And they had a. They're mentioned all over classical literature as their main rivals to the Byzantine Empire was always the Parthian Empire. And then later the so called re emergence of the Persian Empire. Of course we have Darius I and Xerxes and Darius III that Alexander conquered, but that was hijacked that tradition by these Islamic make Shia radicals. And that's important because when you go to the Middle east there is a prejudice that Arabs in many cases do not feel comfortable with Iranians and vice versa because there is a sophistication that exudes from the Iranians that they have an older literature, they have an older corpus of religious studies. They have, they predate Islam as a great civilization. And before the mullahs took over, technologically they were more advanced than the Arab countries. And I mean what the Shah envisioned for Iran by 1980 was pretty much what we see now in the Emirates or Dubai. He wanted a secular, sophisticated, highly technological society. And he was getting there slowly.
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Interviewer / Host
A new golden age maybe, huh? If only, if only they could shake Islam, which doesn't seem friendly to intellectual progress. Well, Victor, let's turn to Cuba after we take a moment for some messages. Stay with us and we'll be right back.
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Interviewer / Host
Welcome back to Victor Davis Hanson in his own words. So Cuba has been in the news as well recently and I guess given, right, the power grid shut down. Some Latin American countries have expelled Cuban officials. And we also see that Venezuela, they've lost their Venezuelan oil, which is part of the energy crisis for Cuba. And Trump thinks that Russia's kind of out of the game to be a supporter of Cuba since it's got its Ukraine war going. And I was wondering, given all of those conditions, are we primed for real change in Cuba this time around?
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Victor Davis Hanson
I think the problem with Cuba was that they were propped up by the Russians and by the Obama administration that opened up relations and allowed tourism and propped that Castroite government up. And the Maduro Chavez Maduro regime gave them subsidized fuel. So Trump, they'd never think he's a geostrategic thinker, but he is. So you chase the Chinese or try to chase them out of Panama and Latin America, cut them off from Iranian oil and control Venezuelan oil, which they were getting a lot of. Then you get rid of the hardcore Stalinist in Venezuela. They're still probably socialists, but they're under control of the United States. And then Russia can't get in there because it's embargoed and they're tied down in Ukraine. And you've got Cuba starving to death, no oil. Their airlines are all parked, they can't fly, most of the cars can't run it just and so they're falling apart. So the government, the surviving Castro brother, is it Raul Castro? I think he's 95. He's just irrelevant. They've got a technocrat running it or an old apparatus check. So just a question of how do you survive? And what they think is, well, the Americans are going to come here. A bunch of Cuban right wing Americans with a lot of money are going to come here and they're going to put beaches on the hotels and they're going to bring in, fix the airport. They'll have cruise ships. This will be all great, but we'll still be communists. And the Cubans think From America. No, you won't. We're going to come in over there and we're going to not just take over the tourist industry and you won't not just have Carnival cruises there, but we're going to insidiously undermine the government and turn it into constitutional system. It's kind of funny because the leftists, if you ask a leftist on campus, they love Castro, they love Cuba, but they never would want to, you know, live there. But if you said to them, we're going to free the Cuban people, and there's going to be spirit airline charter flights and caravan cruises, and you're going to have mobs of Americans there, and it's going to be like Key west on steroids. Oh, no. Why would you do that? So they don't want that, obviously. But, you know, McDonald's, Starbucks, everywhere. If you read it, early Spanish literature in the 16th century, that's where Cortez was. He first came. Most of the Spanish hidalgos that came to the New World went to Cuba first. They didn't know anything about Mexico or the Mexican coast, so they went to the Caribbean. And that's where Castro. I mean, Cortez left Cuba to go land in what was the little shrine of Veracruz to conquer the Aztec Empire. He left because. And they had most of the indigenous people on Cuba. The native had been extinguished by the Spanish, and they brought in a lot of African slaves. So today in Cuba, it's a little bit different ethnically than, say, Mexico or Bolivia or Peru. It's mostly direct descendants from the ruling Spanish and then mestizos who intermarried with former slaves and black Africans. But you don't have a lot of indigenous people alive, if any, in Cuba. So it's unique because that island was ethnically cleansed of indigenous people by the Spanish. There weren't very many of them, and they were very violent. And they had pretty much existential wars with the Spanish.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, they have rank voting in Alaska and she didn't really win her nomination. She won as a write in. As a general rule. I don't want to be too cynical, but Democrat or Republican, if you were elected with a sizable portion of mail in ballots, those can't be verified as we we know. So you're not going the only I mean Rand Paul is a libertarian. He will vote against it. But she her attitude would be why would I want to do that? Because if you had to go to the polls and have ID and everything, I'd lose. She probably would have lost. And so a lot of Democrats would have lost too. That's the subtext behind it. It's not that they have any I don't know how many times I go into my small town well, it's 20,000 now. And I see people, so called people of color and they're showing me IDs to. I'm not showing me. I was at the lab getting a blood draw the other day in this town and people were showing their IDs. When they showed their record, you know, they, they said, are you so? And so. And I, there was all these rooms they all had showed IDs. They asked for my, even asked for my Medicare card. So it's not that, it's not about that. And they know that, that even Mondame, when he wants snow shovelers, he asks for ID identification. It's just they have become so dependent on registering and having people to vote who have no known address or can't show up or don't exist, that they just won't do it. And Project Veritas, the former director, as you know, he was down in Los Angeles posing as a homeless person. And he saw people coming through with the Democratic affiliations, registering voters among homeless, telling them, you don't really need an address. And these were all going to be mail in voters. So that's what it's aimed at. And in the 2024 election they ran a poll and usually the Democrats cite these polls and it runs something like this. If you had have voted, if you had been registered, that's everybody, not the people who were either just registered and didn't vote, or just the people who were registered and did vote vote, usually the Democrats get that margin in this particular poll and I think another one, Trump would have won more by a greater margin than he did, had all the people who supported him, who were eligible to vote registered to vote and showed up at the polls. And so that shows you that the Democratic base is shrinking and why wouldn't it be? Given their agenda on the border, the trans stuff, the crime. For all of the people angry that we watch on television or on the Internet that not one says, I disagree with Donald Trump. I have this plan for the border, I have this plan for crime. So we had, you know, these senators and congress people, they don't even know how silly they sell. You have a guy on TV and he'll say, almost, almost on spec. Iran was very dangerous. They had killed so many Americans. But there was no immediate flat, there was no immediate threat. And so you say, well, there was no immediate threat right before the Beirut bombings. There was no immediate threat right through the Iranian hostage. That was a complete surprise. Did anybody say, I think they're going to blow up the embassy in Tanzania and Kenya? No. Did anybody say, hmm, I think they're going to try to kill Trump? No, nobody said that. How about, whoa, there might be an immediate threat because they're going to put thousands of shape charges, IEDs in Afghanistan to the particular Iraq and kill anywhere from 600 to 3,000Americans. So it's not that there's a. The point is, is twofold. There's been a lot of provocations over 47 years that have gone down to answer and number two, they are, it's not that they're immediate threat. They are an immediate. They're a midterm threat, they're an existential threat, they're a long term threat. They're just a threat. That's who they are. They can't help it. You know what I mean? That's what they are. You know, and I quoted that once, but in Dirty Harry, when they say, why does the kill, Was it I forgot his name, Zodiac or something? Why does he do it? And Dirty Harry says, because he likes it and he can too. They like it. They like killing Americans. They hate the west. Unless their kids are in school here.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah. Well, let's turn then to the shutdown of the dhs. And while I, all I see out there is that the Republicans are blaming the Democrats and their constituencies believe that, and the Democrats are blaming the Republicans and their constituency believes that. But is this going to be a net benefit for either side or is this just going to be a civil war divide between parties type thing?
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Victor Davis Hanson
They looked at the fourth quarter shutdown, longest in our history, last three months, September, October, November, December. And they said to themselves, we reduced GDP by two or three points and stall the economy and Trump was going to have this great fourth quarter and then roar into 2026. So then they said, we're going to shut down the government unless you do the following to dhs. So here the Congress going into an administrative cabinet and telling them what they can and can't do, which is an executive branch, and they're saying to them, we knew you were going to do this. So we've already funded them the big beautiful bill. They're funded. It has nothing to do with dhs. And they said, okay, but we're going to hurt you in a different way. We're going to stop all the security at all the airports. We're going to not pay these people for over a month and we're not going to pay anybody else in DH that does all this stuff. And then the Republicans say, said, well, why don't we just talk about ICE and they don't. The Democrats can't talk about it because the half the party, Ilian Omar, you know, and AOC and all these peoples, they don't want any ice. AOC's I think her father was a naturalized citizen. Her mother may have been naturalized. I think think we know how Ilian Omar came here. I should say we don't know exactly given the details, but so many people now are invested in having no immigration system that the idea that anybody would be deported is Gestapo like to them. So and then the real cause, the Greeks had a good word for it. It's in Thucydides. And he always says the. There was this. So he spoke. This was the prophesis, the pretext, the idea, the real cause. So they're talking about the prophasis is dhs. And that's a silly one because they can't come up with any reason why you would shut down the government to hurt DHS when DHS won't be hurt. So then the idea, the real cause, they want to repeat what they did last year and hurt the economy by destroying the airline industry, making people wait, making people angry, slowing down a lot of stuff that the DHS does and they want to. Or have Trump crawl back to them and said, please, please, you're interrupting air service and they've canceled a lot of flights and they want to hurt the economy because they don't have an agenda. I've never seen things like it. I mean that sincerely. I've never seen a political party without an agenda. If you ask any Democrat on the street, street, okay, we know you hate Trump, we know you hate ice. Would you please tell us your foreign policy? What's your policy on the border when you get in power, let's say Gavin Newsom's president, is he going to have the wall there? Is he going to tear it down? Not one inch. As Joe Biden said. Tell us, are you going to. What are you going to do with the economy? You're going to cancel all these pipelines offshore? You're going to go back to green subsidies? Is that what you're going to do? Are you going to implement, empty the petroleum reserve? Joe Biden almost did. 60% of it. He emptied. Just tell it. But they won't because it's not because they don't want to. We know they don't want to, but they don't know what they want to do. They have no agenda. It's a bunch of congresswomen dressing up and kickboxing and then using the F word, the S word. And then it's this geriatric Schumer and Pelosi hobbling around and screaming. And then there's these young people who, if anybody said what Jasmine Crockett, known for, for legislation, she's known for one thing, saying that white people are satanic. Basically, that's all she yells out. And she's this prima donna from the suburbs who went to prep school and then fakes a inner city ghetto accent depending on the audience to which she's speaking.
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Interviewer / Host
Now, you mentioned the Democratic agenda. And I did notice besides hating Trump, they do have another thing that they're putting on the table and that was there was an interview of J.B. pritzker and then Susan Rice was talking about prosecuting anybody who in this administration they see as criminal and they'll prosecute them either criminally or civilly. J.B. pritzker said that. And Susan Rice came out warning corporations that if they comply with, with this administration, they too will be subject.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, she didn't say, she just said, you elites out there in the media. So what do you mean, Susan? Do you mean that if there's an executive order that DEI must be eliminated because it doesn't follow the Supreme Court ruling on racial preferences, you're going to do what? You're going to call in Microsoft and say we're going to cancel all your government contracts unless you, you do what? I don't, I mean, are they going to cancel them unless they reinstate dei? So I don't know what she meant. I do know that she's very sensitive because in the Obama years she was revealed as a buffoon. In other words, when they wanted some ignorant ignoramus to go out on Sunday TV and lie to the American people that the Benghazi deaths been caused by an accidental release of a filmmaker's video that, you know, an American, supposedly a right wing Coptic immigrant, did a video, which he did, but he was an obscure person and that triggered the whole demonstrations that led to the death in Egypt. Excuse me, the death in Libya and Egypt, all this mass across North Africa. No, it didn't. She just did that because the, the Obama administration had ignored warnings that the security at the consulate was non existent basically. And then she, when they wanted somebody to lie that all the WMD had been removed from Syria under Obama's red line, they wheeled her out and then she still couldn't stop saying silly things. And then she goes to a meeting where they're plotting to go after Trump. Trump Obama's basically saying, I'm going to be out of office. And you guys in the CIA, you know, Comer, Clapper, Comey Brennan, I want you to go do this and do this and find him. Russian collusion. Then she writes on her email to herself, there was a meeting in which the president and people were very concerned that everything be constitutionally correct. And so she wrote it to herself and then mailed it and showed people, see, I mean, how silly is that? And so she was kind of the fall girl for the Obama administration. And I was on the Harry Guggenheim board and I served with her mother, Lois. And she was from a very aristocratic family of Caribbean origins, very wealthy, sort of the doyen of the black community in Washington. So she was an aristocrat. She married a multimillionaire, very privileged woman. So it's kind of ironic that she's on the barricades as if she's some crusading civil rights leader. And she's always haranguing people about the injustices in the country when she's a member of the ultra, ultra, ultra elite, both plutocratic and aristocratic. And so I don't think what I'm saying is she has no judgment. So. So if you really believe that, that you're going to punish people, then you keep quiet about it because Trump has two and a half years left. So then you think somebody called her up today and said, you idiot, he runs the doj. We've got a lot of people in Minnesota that are crooks. We've got a whole scandal in California that are crooks. Newsom and Waltz may have known about it. We don't even know if Comey and Brennan and Clapper are out of the woods yet. We don't know if Fanny Willis and Letita James are out of the woods yet or Alvin Bragg. What are you doing? When they hear that, they'll just go after us. It was so stupid.
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Interviewer / Host
All right, Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and come back and talk a little bit about Cesar Chavez and then California as well. Stay with us and we'll be right back. Back. Welcome back to Victor Davis Hansen in His Own Words. You can find Victor on X. His handle is Dhanson, and on Facebook at Hanson's Morning Cup. So if those are your social media outlets, please follow Victor on those venues. So first I wanted there's been recent news that came out that Cesar Chavez has, during his time, had abused young girls while he was, you know, the icon of the American immigrant labor movement. But there was interesting thing in left news outlets. And this I'm using the Atlantic that had a story that Cesar Chavez. And it's not, I guess it's somewhat complementary, but it's also got a edge to it. They said Cesar Chavez oscillated between a Christlike asceticism and a Chicago political tactics like informing on illegal aliens.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Taking the place of informing. He. He said the Teamsters were hiring illegal aliens and he called them wetbacks. And he sent people down to the border with clubs and they worked with the border patrol and ratted people out. When people, all these ICE people should say to themselves, hmm, we're on the front lines trying to stop ice. Just like Cesar Chavez, pause. Tried to help ice. So in other words, left wing crowds are now trying to stop ice. But the locus classicus was the same thing with Cesar Chavez, but he was organizing with mobs down at the border where they were trying to go after illegal aliens and then help ICE and the precursors of ice. And I grew up here on a farm at the very center of this Delano. Where he started is about 45 miles from here and in the park in town. I remember going and listening to him. In fact, when I was a senior, there was a big strike at Table Grate. And all of the guys wanted to watch it because we had all worked on packing houses. And everybody said that Cesar Chavez threw nail at the ufw, threw nails all over the driveways. They cut down little trees with chainsaws. They sabotaged trains that had refrigerated cargo on them going eastward. And it was mostly Chavez's brother who was in charge of the shock troops. So a bunch of guys, I think there were two Mexican American guys and two of us. Let's go watch a big strike in Delano. So we drove down and there were maybe a thousand people protesting. And there were people, people picking early table grapes and they were trying to get the people to come out. And I was kind of naive and I said, well, he's non violent. There's not going to be anything happening. And everybody said, oh yeah. So a prearranged signal. They just went into the fields, the Chavistas, and pulled everybody out. It was one of the most violent things that I'd ever seen. And the weird thing was we were there watching it, sitting on the car. The Tulare county sheriffs came over and wanted to arrest us. And they said, you guys are from Berkeley. And we all had like short hair and San Joaquin Valley accident. No, we not. We're just watching. Oh, you're an outside agitator. The problem with Chavez was he was never an angelic. He gets credit because I grew up in those days and I worked in summers. I either worked on my grandfather's farm or I worked for local packing houses. And I picked peaches and grapes. And it was pretty rugged. I mean there weren't beautiful bathrooms and water break, all that. So he got all that in mostly by fear. And then the big company, they weren't even big companies, they were family owned companies. And he started with the table grape because the others were so dispersed. In other words, peaches, plums, nectarines. Were 40, mostly small growers. They became greater, bigger, but in those days. And the raisins farmers, we were raisins and plums. But they were all members of the community and their kids all worked in the fields and you might have, you know, like 20 workers for one week a year picking grapes on your place. So it wasn't anything he could organize. And the people were local. So the kids got out of school. We all got out of school early. So my grandfather and my uncle who were farming at the place would say, okay, you're going to get row one through, you four boys are going to get well one through for. And I want you to pick 200 trays a day so that the workers see you. And I don't want any horsing around. And when you roll, I want you to roll 2000 or 2500 trays when it was time to roll so everybody could see you. Because that was, you know, you didn't want a bunch of snotty white kids with Filipino workers or people from Oklahoma or Mexican American. So he didn't target that he targeted. And most people when they go in the stores don't rush to the sun made raisin counter and they don't rush to get some nectarines. They love those big beautiful green and red grapes. So he knew that the problem he had was these were not vast Tenneco type farmers. They were the best farmers. They were the most savvy farmers and they were hard knuckle farmers and they were from immigrant families. So you had Dirigo from Sicily, the Dirigos, you had the Gemma family from Italy, I think. And then you had the Zanonovic family from Croatia, the Pandel family from the Balkans, I think Croatia, Zulum, all of these people, they were hardcore people that had nothing and they built up this stuff. So when you saw them on TV or you talked to them, these were guys that were tanned, leathery faces, cigar in their mouth, worked their whole life. They were not the type of, you know, like a suit, you know, a guy with an MBA or something. Hey, Mr. Chavez. Will. No, no. These guys were tough as nails and they had done all the work themselves when they were young and they had built these kind of. They were large acreages, but compared today, I mean, they might have been a thousand acres, but not like these. 20, 30, 50,000, 100,000. But. So it was very hard to. Took him about five or six years and you had to get. He. He thought he had to get viol. He did was. He wasn't a very good speaker, but he had very expressive faces. I remember listening to him. Well, the growers. The growers, you know, the growers. This is more than just grapes. These people don't want people to live. They don't want them to drink water. They're killing us with pesticides. And that was very effective. And these guys were kind of like, well, you know, hey, I'm $2 now. I got $2 a bucket. And well, I did it. I so bad about it, that kind. So they won that optics war. And then they got Robert Kennedy and he came out and he blessed the program and all the people boycotted grapes and they did a secondary boycott, which was illegal. In other words, if Safeway had non union grapes, then you. Nobody would go to Safeway. They bought, they wouldn't boycott. You couldn't go to Safeway and not buy grapes. You couldn't go to Safeway at all. So even at the local Safeway where I was growing, they had pickets all the time. Don't go into Safeway. And it's very funny. I was in this period in 71, I was 17. I went to University of California Santa Cruz, the most radical campus probably in the nation, had just opened three years ago. And I had grapes, but they weren't table grapes. They were the same species, Thompson seedless. But we dried them into grapes. They were the little yellow ones. They're not the big fat green that you girdle and use. Jabella and you artificially make. Make big. Same plant, same vine, but you cultivate it differently. So I had them in my room and everybody would come in and eat them. And then one day some, a very. I won't mention her name. She was very famous. Her parents owned a huge cosmetic company. And another guy whose father was a pretty well known producer came in and they said, these are great grapes. We boycott grapes. I said, these are. I picked them myself. You're non union. I Said they're not even table grapes. Well, they look like grapes. I said, we dry them into raisins. Well, they should. No, no, these are great. So they put all these stickers on my door. My dorm boycott. And then I walked out and everybody said, you hate Chavez, you're. And all these. So that's how he won. He had all of these wealthy white kids that felt so guilty they wouldn't eat grapes. Most of them didn't eat the grapes anyway. But in the cafeteria, if you had grapes, they'd have big signs, Union pick. You know, all of this. And it was very effective. The problem with him was that beneath that angelic face, he was ruthless. So he drove almost all the people that he worked with out of the movement. His closest confidant was Dolores Huerta. And even on camera he would scream at her. They were supposed to be. And they became intimate. Nobody knew that. But now we're going to celebrate. Every town in the Valley has Cesar Chavez Boulevard. He's a folk hero. But no, there's almost nobody who is Mexican American. Second, third, works in agriculture. I mean in the sense of picking thing, that's mostly immigrant labor, first generation. But the point is, everybody reverse, reverse him. And I don't know what's this going to do? Because they've all yesterday and today canceled their Cesar Chavez. And why did they cancel it? Because these revelations are coming out and it coincides with two things. The MeToo movement and the Epstein files. And the accusation is that according, and it's not some white maga nut on a talk radio who's screaming and yelling that they can easily caricature, It's Dolores Huerta. 95 year old Dolores Huerta, who knows everything about the union and whom Cesar Chavez treated very shabbily and drove out of the movement. Especially with his little flirtation, big flirtation with Synanon, that weird cult where the. They played the game, where they got everybody in and they just said F you. And that really turned off the Catholic Mexican American hierarchy in the union. And he was very vindictive. So he turned over the apparat of the whole UFW to Synanon. And by 1975, 80, he was zero. Everybody, it just imploded. But the weird thing is the accusations are, I shouldn't say weird. Tragic is that Dolores Huerta, the most radical Mexican American political figure in California, is now saying that she was taken to a vineyard and raped. Raped by Cesar Chavez and in other situations was forced to have intercourse with him. And she mothered two children that Were his. Shel was so bothered by it. I think she had eight of her own. That and I think, excuse me. Chavez's wife had eight children. Doris Huerta might have had 10 or 15. She was very fertile and she had them raised by somebody else. As I read the accusations today. And they did a DNA test. They are his children. But that's not the worst. That he raped his most trusted advisor, then kept quiet that he was having other affairs with women. He also, there's an allegation that he had groomed young girls as very, very young. I won't get into the ages, but they were considerably younger than 15, 14. And he had sexual intercourse with them. So he was a rapist and a pedophile. Well, you don't know how this is going to do. I mean, nobody wants to cover it, but the New York Times is going to run and you know what they're going to to do.
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Interviewer / Host
So the New York Times already ran a story with that.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, but I mean, they're, they're doing a deep investigation because it's apparently, it's a tip of the iceberg. He had affairs with a lot of different women and many of them were underage, allegedly. And so it kind of, you know, he always played the idea that there wouldn't be any women in the UFW that were vocal, vocal and high profile except Dolores Huerta. And he would always tell her why, what to do. And his wife never. You never saw his wife. She stayed home. Good mother, good Catholic woman. He always said he was a good Catholic. And so that whole facade and down south of Bakersfield where they have the compound, I debated somebody there once. It was very strange. It was kind of a Synanon has no formal relation with Synanon, but it had a cult like many of the people who worked there and operated that were second and third generation Chavez family members. But it was kind of a hero cult and remind me of a hero cult archaeologists finding Greece, you know, the hero cult of Ajax. And then there's all these little buildings and relatives and stuff that were worshiping Ajax. Well, they worship him and we don't know what's going to happen now. If the left is consistent in their protocols and policies and iconoclasm, I suppose what they're going to do is we'll see Elizabeth Warren and Chuck Schumer and Aoc Jasmine Crockett introducing motions to do what? Tear down Cesar Chavez's statues. Rename all of these boulevards to someone else. They've already canceled all of the Commemorations. So it's quite stunning if these allegations are true. And what's weird is the UFW and the Cesar Chavez foundation have not denied them. In fact, they've said, if true, we are going to have compensation with the victims. So what that tells me is that everybody who was an intimate, who are now in their 80s and 90s, knew about this. And they knew about it for years. And they felt it was not these girls, if it was true, that had coerced sexual relations with the great icon who were under 18. They were sacrificial pawns or collateral damage. And you could not reveal of that because it would hurt la resistance, la causa. And that's why it kept quiet. And now Dololores Huerta is 95 and she's going to meet her Lord and she wants to get this off her chest and tell the truth. So it's coming from one of the most. I shouldn't say one of the most. The most authentic United Farmers Workers organizer, administrator, who's still alive.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah.
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Victor Davis Hanson
So it's going to be very hard to refute.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah.
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Victor Davis Hanson
And she has the DNA test. She says of these two daughters are now in their 60s and they're alive.
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Interviewer / Host
Yeah.
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Victor Davis Hanson
And if their mother in their 90s says this, then they're going to corroborate that.
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Interviewer / Host
I think what else is interesting is that the New York Times and the Atlantic are running the stories about that.
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Victor Davis Hanson
That's because they want to get it out first and they want to pass. Package it. And so you've already said that they had a duality, that he was charismatic
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Interviewer / Host
and sort of reflecting Christ like and. Yes, and political tiger. Right.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I had no strong feelings, but I grew up with people. I worked at packing houses when I was in the summer. And they despised him. These packing houses meant you were pretty wealthy and you had your own land. And they'd always say, ah, you know, he never worked a day. Went out one day and he got sunstroke. He didn't have a long. He always said he had back problems, but I don't think he was a farm worker for very long. He was a very adroit. He got all of gosh. He got the ufw, the afl, cio, Walter Reuther and the auto work. Everybody. The UFW was under his control. But also you had all these people traipsing downtown to Lanel. Then he had something called, let me remember the Robert F. Kennedy Medical Plan. And he got a lot of money from private foundations to fund. What was necessary was health care for Farm workers. Good idea. And it was so poorly run and replete with inefficiency that it kind of was broke very quickly and some of the workers never got covered.
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Interviewer / Host
Well, Victor, we're at the end of the show and we have a few comments of those who send in their comments. Here is from Russell Doe. There are few conservatives that maintain a gentle, humble and empathetic nature as you do. If Trump could harness just a small percent of what you have, his approval ratings would go through the roof as his policies are transforming this country and the entire pecking order of this world. He is a great president, but the teeniest bit of your humility would make him lovable. I like that. That was sweet. Thank you, Russell Doe. And this is from Matt Thrasher. Frustrated in California. He titles it. Our family recently moved to the foothills of California from Flagstaff, Arizona. My wife's brother, who has special needs, also moved with us as his mother can no longer take care of him. I knew when we moved to California that everything would be more expensive, but what I didn't realize was that my brother would get so little given all the taxes we are paying. You would think high taxes and being in a blue state would mean they take care of their most vulnerable. Not even sure how we will pay for everything. Arizona was much lower taxes and they took care of those with special needs. I'm disappointed in the state of California.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Well, we have all of these disclosures that there's a multi million, if not billion dollar fraud and harm hospices in the LA greater area where these people just went to hotels and said they were a hospice and they were getting $6,000 a month in some cases for people supposedly dying and they had nothing. It was just a multi fraud. And the Newsom or Waltz attitude to these disclosures is never okay. Let's find the people who did it. Let's indict them and jail them as a deterrent. Let's cancel this program until we can. We need more money because they believe Waltz and Newsom believe the money is there. So they would say, well, Victor, these people are needy. These are victims. They're the oppressed, so what does it matter? The delivery systems, they can go in and get food stamps or they can go get Pell Grants, or we can just say we want to give you the money and try to help out the dead. But if they don't do it, it's okay because the money's coming from the wealthy to the poor. They're really socialist or communist.
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Interviewer / Host
And then the very last thing I'd like to do is just show a picture sent to us from down Under, Judy James and I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do this for those who are. It's not going to focus in very well. It's an absolutely beautiful picture from down under.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, it is beautiful.
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Interviewer / Host
Oh my gosh. So, Judy James, thank you for the picture and the nice note as well. Thank you, Victor, for everything today. Great and informative session. We'd love it.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Thank you.
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Interviewer / Host
And thanks everybody for joining the Friday News roundup on Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. Please come back to join us.
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Victor Davis Hanson
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