David Dobrik (1:30)

But I'm just saying, like, I think. I mean, you've been bringing this up to me for a while.

Jason Nash (1:35)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (1:35)

Like, you were like, we make all these podcasts, and we're always talking about dicks and farts, and we never actually talk about, like, how you're really feeling.

Jason Nash (1:45)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

David Dobrik (1:47)

And you always say, like, if it was my podcast. Yes, it is.

Jason Nash (1:50)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (1:50)

You're like, if it was my podcast. I talk about everything. Like, everything going on in my life, like, what. Whether good or bad.

Jason Nash (1:55)

I get away with that on my vlogs, too.

David Dobrik (1:57)

Yeah.

Jason Nash (1:57)

I just feel like, guys, I'm not feeling so good today. Today. And then all the comments are like, it's okay, Jason.

David Dobrik (2:02)

We love you. Okay.

Jason Nash (2:03)

And. And I. And I understand why you don't do that. Because. Because when you started, when I met you, I, you know, I used to do, like, one man shows where I would, like, bear my soul to, like, 25 people. Like, that's literally what I was doing before I met you. So that to me was like, yeah, I'm an artist and I'm doing my thing. And when I met you, I got this whole other different angle of stuff, and I was like, you know, you just want to make people Happy. You just want to make people laugh. You want people to escape. You want, you know, you're like the show Entourage.

David Dobrik (2:31)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Nash (2:31)

You know, like, I used to love the show Entourage. You know why? Because I was married at the time and I knew Sunday at fucking 9:00, Vince and the gang were gonna get it to get up to some shit. They were gonna get in a Lamborghini, maybe hanging with a hot babe.

David Dobrik (2:47)

Well, that's why.

Jason Nash (2:47)

And that's what I saw in your vlogs.

David Dobrik (2:49)

I mean, that goes along with like the movies I enjoy. Like, I. I'll never say I like a dark movie. Like, I hate dark movies. I just don't like a movie that like. And by dark movie, I mean like movies where people are going through, like, real emotional or like the act, like dramatic movies. I just don't like those.

Jason Nash (3:06)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (3:06)

Like, I like the super light hearted. Like when I say 50 first dates, like, I'm not kidding. Like, I just like the movies that you can put on and you can watch with like a blank mind and you can just be like dumb happy.

Jason Nash (3:15)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (3:15)

Like, that's what I've always enjoyed and that's what I've always wanted to put out. Like, I've always wanted to put out content where it's like, I'm not talking about the stuff that's like, bothering me and I'm not talking about stuff that's like making me sad that day. Because I don't know, not that I was, like, embarrassed, but I just feel like that's not my place. Like, it's not. I'm making these videos and I don't mean this in a way to like gas myself up. Like, I'm. I'm making these videos to make other people laugh and to make other people smile. Like, why should they worry about how I'm feeling? And like, and, and that, that, that's 100% true. Like, I've always thought. I don't know. I hate saying that because it does sound like I'm like, it's not about me, it's about the people watching. But like, in a way, I mean that.

Jason Nash (3:59)

And there's a lot of merit to that. And so when you.

David Dobrik (4:01)

But that's why I hate saying it because it does sound.

Jason Nash (4:03)

Let me say it. There's a lot of merit to it. And when you showed me that way and I was like, you know what? That is a good way to be. Because the way I was doing it, one man shows was not working for me.

David Dobrik (4:13)

Sure.

Jason Nash (4:13)

You know, no one wanted to hear me sit up there and cry about my marriage or whatever.

David Dobrik (4:17)

But I think as like time goes on, like, yeah, there gets to a point where that's a little bit harder to do.

Jason Nash (4:24)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (4:24)

Where we're being happy is a little bit more difficult to do. And actually, like, I've had a lot of like, YouTube friends that like, put their emotional stuff on the Internet and like, people really love it. And then they'll come to me or I'll be talking to them about it and they'll be like, I really regret. Like, not I regret, but like, I don't know why I posted that. That's so not like me. And then I'll be like, but just like, look at all the people you're helping. Like, look at all the people you're connecting with. And I always say this to people like, that, like, are like second guessing being like real on their, on their Internet profiles or whatever it is. I'm like, look at all the people you've helped just because of what you've said. And, and it's, it's like I'm hypocritical because, like, I say how positive it is and then I'm scared to do it myself. Like, I'm scared to open up myself.

Jason Nash (5:05)

Why are you scared to open up?

David Dobrik (5:07)

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's just for the reason that, like, I just feel like it's just like.

Jason Nash (5:12)

You think it's cheap.

David Dobrik (5:14)

I don't know if it's cheap. I just feel like people don't. That's not, that's not why people have like been attracted to me in the first place. Like, I think, I think I've always, like. Like we were just saying, like, I always want to be like, people come and they know exactly what they're gonna get. Just fun time, just laughter, blah, blah, blah.

Jason Nash (5:29)

You know how I look at it?

David Dobrik (5:31)

What?

Jason Nash (5:31)

Remember when you got your Tesla?

David Dobrik (5:32)

Yeah.

Jason Nash (5:33)

You made a video about the car.

David Dobrik (5:34)

Yeah.

Jason Nash (5:35)

And in the first minute you go, guys, I got a new Tesla. I'm really excited about it. This is a car video. So if you're. If this is not your thing, it's not like my other videos. Honestly, skip it. But Heath and I are gonna go out, we're gonna make a video about this car. Cuz I'm so psyched about it.

David Dobrik (5:48)

Oh, great. So, yeah, this is exactly like that, except it's video. It's a feelings video. So if you, if you. Yeah, skip it. If you hate feelings, I may skip this, actually. I may set this one out right now. No, but I think. I think. Yeah, I think that was. That was like my fun, bubbly personality, like, that side to me, which was very true and authentic.

Jason Nash (6:11)

Yes.

David Dobrik (6:13)

I feel like part of it was shot, so, like, it was killed. Yeah. Yes.

Jason Nash (6:17)

Killed off.

David Dobrik (6:17)

Part of it was.

Jason Nash (6:19)

I mean, the. The people should know. The people that love you and support you, they should know that you've, you know, you've been going through it the last year, and, you know, you haven't been the same, and we're all. We're all worried about you, and we come here every single day, Natalie and I.

David Dobrik (6:34)

Okay.

Jason Nash (6:35)

And Ilya. And we, you know, we're trying to get old Dave back.

David Dobrik (6:38)

Hold the knife.

Jason Nash (6:40)

It's almost like, you know, it's almost like you're a drug addict.

David Dobrik (6:43)

Yeah.

Jason Nash (6:44)

I was friends with a drug addict once, and we used to go over there every day and try to get him to quit drugs, and he wouldn't. And that's. That's how I feel with you. And so I'm. You know, we're hoping that if you start talking about stuff, then things are gonna get better for you and you're gonna feel better, and that's all we're trying to accomplish. We're not. I don't. You're not. We're not trying to win anyone over. We're not trying to get sympathy, but all we're trying to accomplish is just so you feel better. And honestly, maybe this podcast won't even go up.

David Dobrik (7:13)

Yeah, I think I. I think the big problem is a lot has happened in my life, like, the last two years especially. Do you know I got canceled?

Jason Nash (7:22)

Yeah. I did, too.

David Dobrik (7:25)

Has happened, and I just, like. I mean, Ilya will say it the best. I'll just be like, you're a fucking asshole. You never talk about anything.

Jason Nash (7:34)

Oh, yeah.

David Dobrik (7:35)

All you do is you just keep it to yourself.

Jason Nash (7:37)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (7:37)

Like, open up. Like, talk to your audience. Like, all they want is, like, honesty. Like, that's what you preach to, like, to be authentic. And I feel like I'm not being authentic.

Jason Nash (7:46)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (7:47)

By. And I feel like we're just, like, leading these people. I haven't. We've been talking about, like, Nothing for, like, 10 minutes. Am I crazy?

Jason Nash (7:53)

Oh, I think this is the best.

David Dobrik (7:54)

Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Nash (7:55)

I feel like I'm like. I'm so.

David Dobrik (7:57)

I.

Jason Nash (7:57)

Like a boner.

David Dobrik (7:58)

I feel like if I was watching this, I'd be like, dude, say something else.

Jason Nash (8:02)

No, man, let it fucking ride. Who cares? This is for you, right this is for you and me and Natalie and no one else. And we're just letting them watch it, you know? And you know what the real crime is, David?

David Dobrik (8:14)

Right?

Jason Nash (8:14)

The real crime is that you. When you do talk, you're incredible. And then when you do tell people how you're feeling and stuff, you're incredible. You're incredible communicator.

David Dobrik (8:24)

And I like to think I am.

Jason Nash (8:26)

You are. And you're doing yourself a disservice by just not being confident in your. Yeah. Being confident. Speaking from the heart. Because you're, like, the best at it out of all of us.

David Dobrik (8:37)

Yeah, I appreciate that.

Jason Nash (8:39)

Thanks.

David Dobrik (8:40)

A lot of potential to live up to now, now that you said that.

Jason Nash (8:43)

So make it good.

David Dobrik (8:44)

Now people are like, let's hear them. Let's hear this renowned communicator communicate. No, I don't know.

Jason Nash (8:51)

Yeah, I think it's also hard. There's so much to say that we're not going to cover it all. This podcast.

David Dobrik (8:56)

There's so much to say. And I've told Jason, I was like, for the next month, like, like, you keep preaching this. Like, okay, you take the. You take the reins of the podcast and, like, whatever you need to get out of me or whatever you think I need to get out my. Like, let's just do it. Let's just talk about it. So for the next couple of weeks, I just want to be able to talk about stuff that, like, normally I would be.

Jason Nash (9:15)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (9:15)

Too scared or hesitant or find. Not important or, like, just wouldn't want to mention online, but I feel like I not only owe it to you guys, but this is so lame. I feel like I owe it to myself, like, to, like, yeah, just get it off. Like, I feel like I've just been in this. Like, I don't know. I just feel like I need to, like, come out and be like, this is. This is me. This is what I've been going through.

Jason Nash (9:37)

This is your coming out episode.

David Dobrik (9:39)

But, yeah, I've been going. The last two years of my life have been, like, the worst years of my life. And, yeah, it's been, like, really, really bad. And. And I think it's so interesting because I'll see comments on, like, my new vlogs, and everyone would be like, I think we cut this. I mentioned this in the last podcast, but I think we cut it out and I'll read comments and everyone would be like, this is the happiest I've ever seen him. He's finally, like, whatever hit his stride. And it's like, it couldn't be further from the truth. Like, I've. I've. I didn't even know. Like, I could feel something like this. It's pretty dark and it's pretty unfortunate, but I'm figuring it out and I don't know. And I think. And the thing that's keeping me going is, like, I know whatever a person's going through, like, it's going to be okay at the end of it because, like, you know, like, like when you see, like, celebrities or like, any prominent person be interviewed or like, anybody interviewed in general, it's like, what. What would you tell yourself when you were younger? And like, 70% of the answers are like, it's going to be okay. You know what I mean? So, like, yeah, if I was to take.

Jason Nash (10:44)

It's not, trust me, I'm on the other side. No, no, it is going to be okay.

David Dobrik (10:49)

No, but, like, that's how that is. That's how I look at it. Like, you know, this stuff can't last forever. Maybe you can't. Maybe I just shot myself in the face with that.

Jason Nash (11:01)

But, well, well, there's a lot of issues on the table, and probably the first thing is, is, Jeff, we should, you know, we should talk about that and what's going on and how you feel about it.

David Dobrik (11:13)

Right, right, right. Recently, Jeff, our friend Jeff Whitake posted some stuff about me, just about the accident and about how things have been handled.

Jason Nash (11:23)

And you didn't call him out of surgery.

David Dobrik (11:26)

Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. And I think, and I think there's things that I haven't really spoken about. I've never spoken about the surgery or the incident in general. So I, I think it's kind of time for that.

Jason Nash (11:40)

And we asked Jeff to come today and be on the podcast. He didn't want to, and we respect that.

David Dobrik (11:46)

Right.

Jason Nash (11:48)

Because I, I, yeah, I would prefer to do. To do that with him here.

David Dobrik (11:54)

Yes, we do.

Jason Nash (11:54)

You know, but that's also a reason.

David Dobrik (11:56)

I don't like doing any of this stuff.

Jason Nash (11:57)

I don't like doing it either with you.

David Dobrik (11:59)

I just, I think, like, talking about someone when they're not in the room is, like, a really strange thing. I think you can tear open a person when they're in the room right next to you and, like, you're making eye contact. But I think it's a whole nother to talk about somebody when they're not there with you. Yeah, I don't know. The Jeff thing. Yeah, the Jeff thing is, is the worst because before I even say anything, like, that is. That day is like the worst. The worst thing that's ever happened to me. And I wish I could. I would do anything to take that day back. My hand is shaking. Like, yeah. I mean, anything. Like I'm being dead ass. Like, I wish it was me up there. I wish. Whatever. Like, it's like it's the most unfortunate thing ever, and I think. And it's a shitty. It's an accident. That's what it was. It's an accident. I also want to make that clear. I don't know if people think that there's never a world where I would ever want that to happen to a person. I was never up there driving the thing, wanting to hurt him or whatever it was. That was never the thing. And I think recently. So Jeff's gone angry recently with me, and. And I don't know if this is. There's a lot of layers to it, I feel like. And. And. And you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think. I think one of the main reasons Jeff is bummed with me right now is because he saw me do. He saw me do an interview where I said something that I promised him I'd keep between us. And that's something he told you? Yeah, and I figured that that's what it was. And then you reaffirmed it when you told me that he's. He's pissed that I broke a promise. This is so hard to talk about because, like, I don't want to sound. Yeah, okay. So it was. It was the day of. Whatever it was. It was.

Jason Nash (14:08)

You never talked about the accident. You want to go through it?

David Dobrik (14:11)

Yeah. I mean, we were filming a video, like, my comeback video. I haven't posted in a while, and we want to do something exciting. And There was this YouTuber that we were collaborating with for it that, like, did these really cool, like. Like really cool visuals of, like, people doing the coolest things. And one of them was people, like, wakeboarding. I don't know what that's called. While holding on to an excavator. And that was, like, one of, like, five things we were gonna do. That was, like, the first activity that we had planned to shoot. And, yeah, the morning came where we were in Utah. We were filming it, and. And, yeah, we were getting the shots, wakeboarding. And. And then I remember Jeff came up to one of my buddies, one of our friends. I don't know why I say like that. And then later to me, and he was like. He was like, this is fucking boring as shit. What are we, like, preschoolers? Like, let's do something cool. And he said he wanted to swing from it, and I loved the idea. I was like, hell, yeah, let's do it.

Natalie Mariduena (15:22)

So I remember, too, like, right before we had gotten to Utah, Jeff, Todd, and I were all getting skydive certified. So we were like. We had all done, like, 20 jumps out of an airplane. Like, we were, like, high on life.

Jason Nash (15:37)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (15:37)

Right.

Natalie Mariduena (15:38)

I remember when we all, like, the three of us had, like, this, like, air of, like, not arrogance, but just, like, we had done something so amazing all together, and we had this, like, bonding experience.

David Dobrik (15:48)

Oh, yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (15:49)

And I remember, like, when we landed at the airport, we just felt, like, so cool.

Jason Nash (15:55)

Yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (15:55)

And we were so ready to, like, do. We're like, oh, we're gonna do all these, like, water sports and stuff. Like, we were just jumping out of airplanes for a whole week, like.

Jason Nash (16:02)

Yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (16:02)

And there was that, like. There was that air of, like, excitement and, like, wanting to do so many different things and, like, being able to do.

David Dobrik (16:12)

You guys were adrenaline junkies for, like, a week.

Natalie Mariduena (16:14)

Yeah, exactly.

David Dobrik (16:15)

Right.

Jason Nash (16:15)

And I remember you. You. You took one van in the morning, and then, you know, I took everybody else in another van a couple hours later. And I remember going down, dropping everybody off, and I had to poop. I remember. And I remember. I remember walking down and looking at the stunt and being like, I'm going to check this out. I'm going to see what everyone's doing. And I saw it, and it was just, you know, the crane just taking people around, wakeboarding, and it was pretty slow. And I was like, okay, that looks fine.

David Dobrik (16:47)

Right?

Jason Nash (16:47)

I'm going to go poop. And it was really far away from the Rite Aid that I had to poop at. It was. It was far from civilization, like, 15 minutes. And by the time I finished pooping, Susie texted me and said, know you guys were at Utah Valley Hospital, and.

David Dobrik (17:01)

Oh, I didn't know. You weren't there.

Natalie Mariduena (17:03)

Yeah. Jason wasn't even there.

Jason Nash (17:04)

I wasn't even there. And that. That. That eats me up. That eats me up that I wasn't there.

David Dobrik (17:09)

Yeah.

Jason Nash (17:09)

I. I don't know what I would have done if. Because I feel like, you know, me and Matt King are always the ones that are like, hang on, you know, let's wait.

David Dobrik (17:20)

Yeah. I mean. Yeah.

Jason Nash (17:26)

So go ahead.

David Dobrik (17:28)

Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (17:29)

So sorry.

David Dobrik (17:32)

Yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (17:32)

And I remember, like, we had pulled up to that stunt the first day, and I remember walking up and Todd was wakeboarding for the first time. This is like, when Todd and I first started.

Jason Nash (17:43)

This was the day before.

Natalie Mariduena (17:44)

This is the day.

Jason Nash (17:45)

That day. Yeah, it was early that day. It was 7:00am started. Yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (17:48)

And this is when Todd and I had first started, like, dating.

Jason Nash (17:51)

Yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (17:52)

And there was always, like, these jokes between Todd, Jeff and I.

Jason Nash (17:56)

Yes.

Natalie Mariduena (17:56)

You know, about, like, Todd and I dating. And I remember Jeff was like, oh, Todd thinks he's so cool. Like, he's just, like, wakeboarding or whatever. And, like, because he was like, we had just done all these things. We just jump out of a plane like, a million bajillion times. Now we're just, like, hanging on to, like, a wakeboard. And there's, like, so many more other cooler things that could be done. And so I think that, like, there was just this air of, like, everyone was trying to, like, have fun and, like, do cool things.

Jason Nash (18:21)

It was a comeback video. There was a lot of pressure on that.

David Dobrik (18:25)

I mean, I. I think pressure on Matt on that. Oh, I. I think there's a lot. I think there's a lot to be said with just that as well. Like, I think that's why I don't want to make the kinds of videos I was making before was. Is. Was there was this, like, pressure to perform. So there was like. Like. And not. I don't know, I'm like, 5050 on it. Because it's like, on one side, like, that's how things are made that are great. Like, everybody wants to contribute, everybody wants to make it bigger, everybody wants to make it better. Like, that's how great things are made is, like, people have a motive and people have a desire to make something amazing. And I think that's what helped with my videos, is each and every one of my friends wanted to contribute. And the reason they were so good is because all my friends helped me with the videos. And. And, yeah. So, like, on one side, I think, like, that's exactly how something great is done. But on the other side, I could see how, like, that environment can get dangerous. So when we got to the hospital, Jeff was in pretty good spirits. It's a really hard thing to, like, navigate when you're in the hospital with something like that because you don't know whether or not to be, like, like, super serious and caring or goofy. Right. Like, I don't know how to do that. And I remember. I remember Jeff told me to check my DMs, and it was. It was a video that he found, like, 15 minutes before the accident that somebody posted. And he said, let's recreate this. And it was a Guy swinging from an excavator and flying off. I didn't see that DM till the hospital. And he jokes. He's like, I didn't mean literally, haha. Like, he joked, that was the first time I saw the deal. That was the first time I opened it. And then he asked. He's like, can you. Can you. Can you promise me one thing? I said, what? And he's like, can you just promise that no one ever knows that this was my idea? And I was like, absolutely. Like, that's not a big deal. And then that's the promise I broke recently. And I don't know. And here's the thing. I don't understand why that bothered him so much, because at the end of the day, I was the one fucking driving it. It was my video. I was the one sitting there. It's fucking clear as day. I am the one controlling the thing. He got hurt because I was driving. That's it. And I fucking know that. And like I said I would. Any chance I would get, I would take that back any chance I would get. And. And that'll be the biggest regret of my life. My entire life. I really hope there's not a moment that. That I regret as much as that one.

Jason Nash (21:06)

But.

David Dobrik (21:06)

Yeah, and then. And then we.

Jason Nash (21:08)

Yeah, it's like a pride thing. He. He didn't want.

David Dobrik (21:12)

Okay. Yeah, whatever it was, I just. Okay, whatever it was, I was like, yes, I can. I can keep that. And then. And then it got like a little bit. We started filming. We. Okay, so there's some things that I wish Jeff was a little bit more truthful on, but given the circumstance, it's so hard because he's. Because he's hurt. So that's why I hate talking about this because he is a vict. Like, he got hurt, his face is crushed. He has to go through multiple surgeries. Like, I understand that. So it's like, really tough, like, going back and forth. Here is when this is. So, like, here are some of the gray.

Jason Nash (21:44)

Here are some of the things that. That he's told me that. That I, you know, are legitimate. They're legitimate gripes, you know, like, he came to the house to do a Hawaii video and he thought. And you. You had planned the Hawaii trip the same day as one of his surgeries, so there was no way that he could go to Hawaii, but he was here for the return of the video, so. Which is.

David Dobrik (22:13)

Yeah, we didn't. We didn't plan that trip.

Natalie Mariduena (22:16)

We didn't know when he was getting his Surgeries, we never know.

David Dobrik (22:18)

And we didn't. We didn't plan that trip away. Like, everyone came. I surprised him with the trip, right? Like, on camera. I said, it's in three days, like, just to get a cool reaction. I don't even know if I included that, but. But it wasn't for, like, weeks after, because we were checking everyone's schedule, and then his surgery came up last minute, so that wasn't.

Jason Nash (22:35)

And the hospital bills, which is one of his gripes, and his credit is messed up is what he told me. But you guys are saying that you have tried to pay the hospital bills, right? But his assistant hasn't reached back out.

David Dobrik (22:49)

Well, let me get into that.

Jason Nash (22:50)

Okay.

David Dobrik (22:52)

I think the hospital bills.

Jason Nash (22:54)

This is tough. I'm not trying to speak for Jeff, but I think it's fair that.

David Dobrik (22:57)

No, no, no.

Jason Nash (22:58)

Someone does.

David Dobrik (22:58)

No, no, no, no. Definitely someone should be speaking for Jeff because he's not here. But that stuff. That stuff is tough because I think it goes along with what I'm about to say, so. Well, let me get to the house. Should I talk about the hospital bills or should I go? I think we. We skipped a lot here.

Jason Nash (23:13)

Yep.

David Dobrik (23:13)

Okay, so go back. Okay, so let me. Let me go back so that. Then we started filming. There's a lot of things that I wish were more, like, honest and transparent, and that was that. It was. Jeff wanted to keep the accident to ourselves for a while.

Natalie Mariduena (23:36)

I think he wasn't. He also just wasn't comfortable with, like, the way that he looked. He didn't want to show people until, you know, he was ready.

Jason Nash (23:43)

That's understandable.

David Dobrik (23:44)

Right? And I. And what bums me out is I see a lot of things. I don't know if he said it or where. It was, like, put into the universe that, like, I kept this from people. Like, I mean, for multiple reasons, I wouldn't keep that from people. One, it's because it's his face. It's his life. Like, he's allowed to share it whenever. And two, that would just be extremely stupid of me, trying to hide something as brutal as that. Like, I would never, ever do that. And that never happened. That was. That was. We were following his lead. So when he wanted to make a document, like, I was there. Like, I was like, whatever you need me to do. Like, however, I'm gonna be in this. Like, I. I'll be in it. And I think the doc is where. Where things started to. To get a little. Little strange, because I. I remember we were in Utah. We went to like, three or four surgeries with him. I'm not sure. Back to Utah. And one of them, we were filming the doc, and one of his guys that works with him went up to Taylor and was like, we. We really want to make David cry in this piece. We really want him to know what he's done. And there was more of what he said to Taylor, but that was kind of the thing that resonated with me the most. And that's where I started to feel like, oh, fuck. Like, what's going on here? Like, someone's not being transparent with me here. Like, I almost feel like I'm being pushed into a corner that made me feel really, like, uncomfortable and scared and.

Natalie Mariduena (25:09)

Hey, why? What's wrong with. What is wrong with you crying in the dock?

David Dobrik (25:14)

Well, because it's just, like, a weird thing to say. I felt like it was like, I know. Correct me if I'm wrong, but like, that, to me, felt like. I don't know. Like, it just didn't feel. It just felt. It just felt weird.

Jason Nash (25:32)

Yeah. And. And also, I think you. You know, the doc came after a bunch of other bad that happened.

David Dobrik (25:39)

Right. And I think it was. Came at the wrong time. And then. And. And it's tough with, like. And it's tough. And. And then the doc got into things like, his doc got into things like how, like, I'm not there for him. Like, we don't talk enough. And. And a lot of that was true. Like, I've never had a harder time communicating with a person than I have with him during this. And. And, you know, it's for multiple reasons. It's for me just being bad at that and not knowing how to handle, like, such a serious situation. And I also didn't know if he needed space. Like, every time I would talk to him. Jeff is, like, a guy who, like, is very tough when you're to his face and is like, I don't need this. I don't need you doing this. Like, I'm good. I'm strong. But then when you create that distance, it's like, what the. Yeah, he's not. Not talking to me. And then, like, when my other friends would go talk to him, he tell him. He's like, if I ever see Dave, I'm gonna beat his ass.

Jason Nash (26:50)

Right?

David Dobrik (26:50)

So it's like. And that happened multiple times for multiple different friends where he would, like, complain about. So, like, I wouldn't know. Like, do you want to see me more so you can beat my. Like, I don't know. I don't I, I don't know how to go about that in a way where it's not hurting him more seeing me, like, because, like, that. That accident is so bad where, like, I would understand if he wouldn't want to see me because I'm associated with, like, yeah, such a shit fucking time. And back to. And back to the. The secret that he wanted me to keep. I. I was all hands on deck for that. But I. I feel like I can take, you know, 80% of the responsibility, 90%, 100% of the responsibility for the accident, whatever he needs me to do, but that, you know, then when it gets to the point where it started to feel like I was taking 150% of the responsibility, I started to see things like, like David fucking force his friend up there. Like, all this kind of stuff. Like, that was just fucking insane. And it, like, felt like people thought I, like Lily sent him up there just so he can fucking swing off this thing, right? Like, that was not the case. And, like, the more and more that happened, the more I was like, what is going on? Like, this is not what happened. It was. It was a combined decision we made, and it was a complete accident. And I'm so fucking sorry that accident happened, but it did. And there's. There's no going back from that. Like, there's nothing we can do. Um, and. And yeah, I wish it was more like that. And then when it started to be like, more 150% on me, it. I. I started to get. I don't know, I guess, like, it just freaked me out more. I was just like, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I don't know. And then in terms of his, like, medical payments, so far we've paid. I think I. I just had accounting check, and it was like, $78,000 of surgery. And I don't know what that equates to. I don't know what that is, but I don't love the fact that he's going around saying, I don't pay for surgeries. Like, that hurts. Like, I want to help him. I really, truly do. And, like, he still has my word. Like, I told him that I pay for his surgeries. He can still. And, and, and, and the reason we haven't been paying for a surgery, I don't know if it's his assistant's fault or, or, or Jeff just told him to back off from us, but, like, I don't handle that stuff more. I'll just give approval to spend that, whatever. But, like, Natalie has asked multiple times, like, loop us into all these surgeries and we're just not getting looped into anything. And then, and then we're blindsided when he goes to another surgery. And then he'll, like, come out and be like, like his most recent surgery. I didn't know that he had a surgery until he unfollowed me on Instagram. And that's because, you know, it's a two way street. We can be. We can be like, when's your next surgery? But also, we're not. No one's looping us into what we need to be paying for. And to this day, like, I'm still keeping my word. Like, I want him to send me whatever he needs me to pay for. Like, I will pay for it, but it's just not fair to say that we haven't been paying for it because.

Natalie Mariduena (29:57)

We have paid literally every single bill that has ever been paid.

David Dobrik (30:00)

Yeah, every bill and wealth as long as he needs it. I don't know.

Jason Nash (30:07)

This is good. You're speaking your. Your mind and speaking your truth and your side of it, and it's good.

David Dobrik (30:14)

But at the end of the day, like, none of this matters. Like, nothing I say, nothing he says, nothing we say together will ever fix what happened. Like, that's the end of the fact. And like, and that's what sucks is, like, it just can't be changed and it's a fucking really shitty accident. And. And it's just. It's just a thing that I. I don't know. I wish we could both figure out how to approach moving forward. Like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying.

Jason Nash (30:49)

You know, I. I honestly think he'll see this and, you know, really appreciate this. I think you will, because I do. I do. And Jeff, if you're watching, I think that you will appreciate this. I know he'll appreciate this because he. I think he just feels unheard and he feels like he was swiped under the rug and stuff like that. And just you talking about it for the first time pays a lot of credence to what happened. And it'll probably really help with some healing. And not to say maybe there's some things that we said that pissed him off too, but I think it's really good, right? You know, it's a start. It's a start. And, you know, and I don't really care what the comments say. I don't really care what anyone has to say. This is all between us. And we're doing this so we all can heal and move on and ultimately hope things get better for Jeff, too.

David Dobrik (31:53)

Yeah.

Jason Nash (31:54)

You know, and this is our way of doing it.

Natalie Mariduena (31:56)

You know, I think it's also important to note that just because this is the first time that this conversation is happening, like, publicly for people to listen to doesn't mean that it hasn't happened multiple times.

David Dobrik (32:08)

Oh, my God.

Natalie Mariduena (32:08)

In private.

Jason Nash (32:09)

Yeah.

Natalie Mariduena (32:09)

Which is the frustrating part of all of this, is that there have been many conversations that cover all of this.

David Dobrik (32:14)

That's my least favorite, too. It's also, like, really tough when, like, I can see from Jeff's perspective, like, it's probably really tough when he sees my videos and I'm, like, traveling the world and I'm having this, like, fucking time in my life, and it's like.

Jason Nash (32:26)

And he's getting his eye cracked open.

David Dobrik (32:28)

Yeah. And it's like. And it totally looks. You know, I haven't mentioned this. Like, no one can even fucking tell that I want to fucking blow my fucking brains out.

Jason Nash (32:35)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (32:35)

And. And. And. And that's part of the reason I want to do this, is like, this weighs on me every minute of every day of my life. Ah, fuck, I'm so late. But, like. But, like, it. It's like, the worst. Why are you crying? No, it's just.

Jason Nash (32:57)

I feel so bad.

David Dobrik (32:57)

No, it was your fault. You shouldn't look for the bathroom. No, no, no.

Jason Nash (33:03)

I feel so bad for you, man.

David Dobrik (33:04)

No, no, don't do that.

Jason Nash (33:06)

No, I know. And I feel bad for Jeff.

David Dobrik (33:08)

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jason Nash (33:08)

Jeff is the first person I feel bad for. And then after that, I. I. Natalie. Natalie puts up with you, and then.

David Dobrik (33:15)

I feel bad for myself. You got me that dog I can't take care of. No, but I can't keep up with him, man. No, this. This blows. It blows. It's such a bad situation. And. And. And we've tried. We've. We've. We've had this conversation, like, has happened with Jeff face to face a good number of times. I remember when he was making the doc, we went for a car ride around, and, like, he was like, hey, I know you've apologized to me in person, but, like, I want you to do it on camera so people can see. And I was like, okay. So he rode around for 45 minutes, and, you know, tears were shed, and there was a lot of conversating, and. And he was really fair to me in the car, and we were really fair with each other. Like, it was very amicable and, like, it Was very sweet. And. And we got back to the house and recorded. We didn't hit record on the camera, really. So we. Yeah, it was. I'm not kidding. It was like 45 minutes an hour. Not hit record.

Jason Nash (34:16)

Where was Oscar?

David Dobrik (34:17)

And then. And then we did it again. We were like, let's go again. So we went for the same car ride down the same streets, talked about the same shit in the same way. And, like, that never made it in to his video. Maybe it was on his Patreon. I don't know where it was. But, like. Like, that kind of bummed me out. It's like we're having all these conversations and, like, what is it for? Like, do you need to hear this from me, or do you need to hear for your video? Or, like. And no one's seeing it at the end of the day. So, like, what is it for? What are we doing this for? And, like, it doesn't feel authentic, you know, Especially the second time. So. So, yeah, I don't know. That's strange. I also. This is just like, a really stupid, like, little thing, but, like, the roast. Yeah, he said that. He said. Jeff said somewhere that I cut out. I was cutting out jokes about myself in the roast, which is so not true. He only said one joke about me, and it was. It was just about. I didn't even know he said a joke about me until I asked Jason. I was like, did you cut anything out about me? And the joke was David has a new show on Discovery called Discovering David Dobrik. And the only thing they're discovering there is that David's gay, which is, like, good joke. I mean. Yeah, I mean, that's. It's a joke. Quite often.

Jason Nash (35:36)

It's a joke. Yeah, it's a joke.

David Dobrik (35:38)

I'm not. Not too sure about myself, but. No, but.

Jason Nash (35:42)

Yeah, but we didn't try to cut that.

David Dobrik (35:44)

I would never. And that's what bummed me out. It made it seem like I'm controlling some edit here and, like, taking out stuff about me. I definitely did not touch that post.

Jason Nash (35:52)

No, not at all. You didn't promise you.

David Dobrik (35:53)

I didn't.

Jason Nash (35:54)

I think later, if for Jeff, it became more like he just didn't want to be involved with.

David Dobrik (36:02)

Right. But there's a way to say that other than, like, I'm silencing him. Yeah. I've never wanted to silence Jeff. I've. I've never. Yep.

Jason Nash (36:09)

That's fair.

David Dobrik (36:10)

Well, hold on. That's not fair. Would I have loved for him to keep stuff to ourselves?

Jason Nash (36:14)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (36:14)

Like, our conversations and stuff. Yes, but, like. But no, There was never a moment where I was like, no one can know about this injury. Like. Like, there was never a moment where he, like, walks into my office and, like, I hit a button and the door locks, and I'm just like, we need to talk about some stuff. I put my feet on the.

Jason Nash (36:31)

You're honestly not that imposing. You're not that threatening.

David Dobrik (36:34)

No, I never. I never do like that.

Jason Nash (36:37)

You usually just, you know, run the other way.

David Dobrik (36:39)

I'm okay. I think. I think at the end of the day, like, this has been such a shitty situation, like, from the moment it happened to the last couple months. And like I said, there's not a day that goes by that I don't think about this. And I'm so sorry that this happened to you, Jeff. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And I wish it was easier. I wish it was easier to deal with this. I wish we were both better communicators because I know it eats you up, and I know it eats me up, and I know for a fact we don't communicate that to each other properly. And I wish we did that better. And. Yeah. And I don't know. It's so shitty, and there's nothing I can say here that will fix everything. So that's why it's like. That's why this is so tough.

Jason Nash (37:46)

That's why you haven't said anything.

David Dobrik (37:48)

And. And. And I also, like, I. I'll see comments sometimes. Like, did he forget what he did? Or did people forget? And it's like, no, I will never forget. I will never forget. I used to. I used to love longboarding. And. And one day I went down this fucking steep hill and I ate shit. Like, eight fucking shit. And. And I kept longboarding.

Jason Nash (38:17)

But.

David Dobrik (38:17)

But did I ever forget that? It's like, no, I never forgot going down that hill, and I made sure to never go down that hill again. And that's because it's a good thing to never forget, right? Like, that's. This moment has taught me so many fucking lessons where I'm gonna make sure nothing like that happens again. Nothing like that can even come close to it. Like, we still do the goofy and, like, stunty things sometimes, but, like, now we can do it with, like, now we do with, like, proper people around. And now. Now I've learned to say no to a lot. You know, a lot of people come here wanting to jump off this roof into the pool because it is, like, in the perfect direction. But, like, but, like, just little stuff like that, like, none of that is worth it. And luckily, we get to do stuff with the TV show now, too, where we have, like, every safety measure taken care of. And that's not to say that people won't get hurt. People. There's always a chance for people getting hurt. You can roll your ankle getting out of the van. Like, there's always room for that. But I'm definitely taking a lot better precautions for that.

Jason Nash (39:27)

You think you could. What's. What steps are you taking to. To, I don't know, be more. Do you think you could be more empathetic in your life?

David Dobrik (39:42)

Yeah. Oh, okay. That's a good question. I think now he's gonna laugh, but.

Natalie Mariduena (39:49)

I. I ready laughing inside my head.

David Dobrik (39:53)

I think I've always thought I had, like, really solid empathy.

Jason Nash (39:56)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (39:56)

Because I am really empathetic when it comes to, like, strangers. For some reason. I'm really good with, like, people that I've, like, just met. And I always thought I had good empathy. But I think what I learned recently and, like, quite recently is that it's not only, like, putting yourself in other people's shoes, but it's like putting yourself in their shoes as them. As the way they process things. I think, like, I was putting myself in people's shoes, and I was just like, oh, that wouldn't bother me. You know what I mean? And, like.

Jason Nash (40:29)

Right.

David Dobrik (40:30)

I have a different outlook on a lot of different things. Like, the best example I have, and this is going to sound really bizarre to say, but my grandpa passed away when we were in Slovakia. Like, it was like. It was. I got to see him again, and then he passed away, and it was really. He passed away the day I was driving back from his house to the hotel in Slovakia, and I haven't seen him in, like, X amount of years or whatever. And he passed away. The day I saw him for the first time, like, it was really cool. My parents were, like, almost stoked on it. They were like, at least he got to see you for the last time. Whatever. And then I learned that he passed. And, like, I took it as, like, I'm gonna see him again. Like, that's how I process those things. Like, it's. It's not to me, like, I'll never see this human being again.

Jason Nash (41:16)

Right.

David Dobrik (41:17)

And I was just like, I'll just see him next time I see him, like, wherever. In heaven or wherever it is. And. And then Todd's grandma passed away recently, and. And Todd was, like, really going through it, and I wanted to text him. I didn't know what to say exactly. So I remember I texted Natalie. I was like, I want to text him because, like, I want him to know that I'm there for him. But, like, I remember when my grandpa passed away, Like, I processed it differently. Like, I didn't get a text from anybody. And that's because I wasn't, like, showing that I needed a text from anybody. So, like, I asked now. I was like, how do I go about this the right way? Or like, he feels that I do care for him, but, like, I'm. It's also not, like, fake. It's genuine, but it's coming from a way where, like, I want to check in if he's okay. So she helped me out with that.

Jason Nash (42:02)

What did you write to Todd? Hey, man, you.

Natalie Mariduena (42:07)

You good?

David Dobrik (42:08)

Hey, man, you want to go to 1Oak later to party? Hey, man, bottle service on me.

Jason Nash (42:13)

I mean, that is what you do. You. You make jokes in a. In a bad time.

David Dobrik (42:17)

No, I just said, I'm here for him. I'm here for him. I'm here for him, and I'm keeping my thoughts. I don't know. But that's. That's like my big thing of empathy. Like, that was just taught recently. I'm trying to be better at is like, putting myself in their shoes as them. Because I. A lot of times I look at things and I'm just like, why would that. Why would that bother you? But then I realized that different things bother me.

Jason Nash (42:38)

You definitely missed a lot of things growing up.

David Dobrik (42:41)

What do you mean?

Jason Nash (42:42)

Well, like, yesterday at the airport. Remember at the airport when he had the separate car? That was so crazy. It didn't bother me, but it was like, we have a van coming home from the Discovery show. We get home from lax, have a long trip, and we all get in a van, the six of us. And then Dave has Taylor pull up in Dave's car, and he's going to go with Taylor in his car while our luggage is still coming out. Because Dave's.

David Dobrik (43:08)

Not fair.

Jason Nash (43:09)

I'm not. Listen, let me finish. I didn't care.

Natalie Mariduena (43:11)

Well, we're all going to the same place.

Jason Nash (43:13)

We're all going to the same place. I didn't care because. Because for. I do put myself in Dave's shoes, and extra minutes at the airport for Dave means lots of pictures. So I didn't care. I'm like, dave wants to take off in the Tesla. I don't care. Ilya and Natalie were not. They were like. They were like, dave, that's it was like, that's not what a leader does.

David Dobrik (43:32)

Hold on, timeout. Time out. First time. Okay, first of all, I always have Taylor come and get me.

Jason Nash (43:36)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (43:37)

Because I'm never actually on the bus with them because immigration, when I step into the country, holds me, okay. In their immigration room. Like, after I go to customs, they go, we need to examine and interrogate you.

Jason Nash (43:47)

Yes.

David Dobrik (43:48)

So I always get brought in to the room and I sit there for an hour. They're halfway down the 405.

Jason Nash (43:53)

That's fair.

David Dobrik (43:54)

And I'm still in the room.

Jason Nash (43:55)

Okay. I didn't know that.

David Dobrik (43:56)

So this is my first time that I did customs in Houston. So when we landed, I was with baggage claim at. Everybody free to go. Taylor was there, and I told Ellie about Taylor, and I go, taylor's here. And he goes, so what? And I go, well, I literally said to say, well, I kind of feel bad. Like, do I just take off? Like, she's here and like, you guys are waiting for your bags? And he goes, yeah, can I come with you? And I go, yeah, that's fine. And then I think Natalie went up to him. And Natalie was like, can you believe this fucking douchebag? And then I think. And then I think Ilya came up to me and then he was like, yo, man, I think it's fucked up. So I know Natalie got in his head. Yeah, okay. But I did sit there with you guys away for the bus.

Jason Nash (44:35)

But at one point you did, you did say. You go, okay, teach me here. What is the right thing to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that, that means you're open to learning and.

David Dobrik (44:46)

No, I'm definitely open.

Jason Nash (44:47)

And I think I want.

David Dobrik (44:49)

I want to be able to be like. I want to be like 33 or 34 years old, and I want to be like the master of empathy. I've said this before. Like, I don't want to double down as, like, the villain. Like, I know a lot of people, like, a lot of things have been said about us, and trust me, I'll get into all of those in the next coming weeks. But. But I disagree with a lot and, like, a lot of people are like, just fuck it. Like, fucking. Fuck these people. Like, right, Change your whole shit and become the fucking, like, like, fudgeing, fudge all these people. And, like, that's want to do that. I never want to do that. I have love for a lot of people, including Jeff. I've. But I've lost love for a lot of people. But. But yeah, I. I Want to learn, and I want to be able to be, like, 35 and be the person that, like, a young creator or like a young actor or whatever comes to for advice. Because, like, this year has been the. The last two years have been the worst times I could ever imagine.

Jason Nash (45:46)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (45:46)

But, like, I don't know who does it. I think it's Kelly Clarkson. But, like, what doesn't kill you does make you strong. I know that for a fact.

Jason Nash (45:52)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (45:52)

And, like. And, like, if I can get through this, like, properly through all this and properly learn stuff from it, then I'm going to be, like, a really fucking strong person. And I hope that I can utilize that strength, that I can help a lot of people through it. You start.

Jason Nash (46:05)

You're starting today, right now. This last hour was probably the most growth that I think I've seen you have in a year. And, you know, nice. However it's received, maybe. Maybe we won't have a podcast after this. You know, Dave was joking before we came in that this is our last podcast. And, yeah, I'm ready for that. I'm. I'm okay with that. Just to see you get off the fucking couch and smile is all I care about, you know, and for Jeff to smile, you know. You know what? You know, I don't know if this is a weird segue, but it just popped into my head. What's that movie that you, like, really related to yourself? What was it called?

David Dobrik (46:46)

Spider Man. No, no, I'm being serious.

Jason Nash (46:50)

No, it's the movie where the guy's the carnival barker.

David Dobrik (46:53)

Oh. Oh, my God. I have a quote in my room. The Greatest Showman.

Jason Nash (46:58)

The Greatest Showman. We were really going through it. Dave, he saw this movie, the Greatest Showman, and he brought us all over and showed it to us. And it was. Was a lot like you.

David Dobrik (47:07)

Yeah, it was really interesting. I really like that movie. I have a quote from it.

Jason Nash (47:13)

What happens in the movie that reminded you of yourself?

David Dobrik (47:19)

He. So the Greatest Showman is basically like, this carny guy who, like, puts together a carnival, and it's like a wacky assortment of people, which is kind of like what we are, right? Old guy and. Yeah, he's everything old guy. He has, like, a hairy woman.

Natalie Mariduena (47:37)

The bearded lady.

David Dobrik (47:39)

Bearded lady? Yeah. No, it's. It's, like, a lot of things. And his goal is always to be like. Like to go one up from that. And that's, like, always been my thing is, like, I'm always, like, stuck in this YouTube world, and I'm like, I want to do Something else. Like, I want to do something bigger. Like, I want to make a film, not be an actor, but, like, that level of, like. Because YouTube, there's no respect there. And I think that. That. That's really tough. Like, I wish that changed, because I think that with a lot of creators.

Jason Nash (48:05)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (48:05)

Like, in general, like, I know it with me, because it was. It's always, like, it was never enough. It's. It's never enough. Like, where you are, like, you always have to do the next thing. And then he gets. And then the movie, he gets, like, lost in it. He gets what he wanted. Like, he's. He's rubbing shoulders with the stars. He's like, he has a completely new act, but he's not doing the things that got him there, and he's not doing the things that he loves. And I was, like, being with all those wacky people.

Jason Nash (48:30)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (48:31)

Not saying there was ever a moment where, like, I was gonna abandon anybody and being, like, peace, like, hanging out with whatever. But. But just to. Just to wrap things up for this really bizarre podcast. I know things are gonna be clipped from here and maybe taken out of context or taken with context, and people are reacting different ways, but I just want to be really clear that. That. That. I mean, I've said it, but I just want to be really quick. I just want to be really clear that. That there are a lot of things that I could have done differently. There's, you know, from before the accident to after the accident, to. Nothing to do with the accident. There's a lot of things that I could have done differently in my life. And, like. And. And I'm sorry. And, you know, I promised this before, and I've said it in private, and I've. And I'll say it again, like, I'm. I'm making those changes, and I'm open to those changes. And, like, I read every comment, unfortunately, that I see. So, like, I. I do take everything into consideration, and I'm learning, and I'm not. And I don't do this for any other reason than. Than to spread joy on people's faces and to, like, make people laugh. Like, genuinely don't do this for any other reason, and I want to keep doing that. And it's been difficult to do without sharing this side or part of me because I feel like I've kind of been, like, leaving all my emotions in here and, like, not giving you guys the full scoop of everything. And I don't know. I also want to be clear that I'm not this this video isn't a video where I'm pointing fingers at people or anything. This was just kind of. Kind of just like. Like how I would talk to a therapist. Like, kind of just like a way of, like, just getting stuff off my chest in a way that, like, I want to, like, grow from this, move on from this, be better from this, and be honest about this, just so I can move forward accordingly. Like, I feel like if I don't get this out or don't get this off my chest, like, I genuinely. I'm, like, stunting my own growth, like, in my character. Like, I feel like I'm just, like, in this box unless I'm really sharing my experiences and what I'm feeling. So that was the purpose of this and no other purpose. And. And I never want to be the one that, like, makes a video about anyone that goes like, you. Fuck you. Fuck you.

Jason Nash (51:15)

Yeah.

David Dobrik (51:15)

I never, never, ever want to do that.

Jason Nash (51:18)

I. I think, too, like, I know one of Jeff's criticisms of this podcast is that we haven't said anything. So I think that, you know, in that regard, we've. We've done right by him by just, you know, And. And. And also, whatever was said today isn't the end of it, you know? Right. We're all. We're all learning, and if we said the wrong stuff today, we'll come back next week and, oh, totally try to correct it. We're not saying that, like, this is the end of it at all.

David Dobrik (51:43)

Just.

Jason Nash (51:43)

Just. Just scratching the surface.

David Dobrik (51:44)

And I think moving forward, like, what Jason said. What Jason was telling me about his part is like, he's like, I want the podcast to be like. Like, just talk about your shit. And there are just things that I, like, I just hold to myself because, like, I actually don't know why.

Jason Nash (51:58)

Why. Why do you. Why. Why have you held it?

David Dobrik (52:02)

Because. I don't know. Because I. Because I always want to be the bigger person in some way. And I feel like maybe when. When I do stuff, like, talk about the stuff, it's not making me the bigger person, but it's also, like, just not making it. But that also makes me just not a person in general.

Jason Nash (52:21)

There's a point where it stops being noble.

David Dobrik (52:24)

Yeah. And it just. Yeah, it just, like, it like, harms everything. Like, I've been. I can be so much of a better person than I have been the last couple months, and that's just because I'm not myself at all. I mean, I'm like. I'm like a fucking shell of David. And I hope this is step one of many where I can talk about stuff and open up about stuff and be honest and move on and grow. And moving on does not mean forgetting. I just want to make that clear, like, this isn't this. There's never going to be a time where I'm going to be like that. That never happened. Like, maybe it may seem like that on the Internet because I never talk about it, but like I'm telling you, this follows me everywhere I go in my head. So, like, there's no use in forgetting it because that only hurt me and remembering it just makes me learn and makes. Makes sure I don't make the same mistakes again. So, yeah, Okay, I guess we'll see you later.

Jason Nash (53:25)

Good job, David. I'm proud of you.

David Dobrik (53:29)

Thanks. Okay. All right, we'll see you guys later. This has been a Views podcast. My name is Jeff.

Jason Nash (53:37)

Bye, guys.