Hollywood's $230 Million Ponzi Scheme

Summary

VIEWS with David Dobrik & Jason Nash

Episode: Hollywood's $230 Million Ponzi Scheme
Date: October 31, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of VIEWS dives into the recent Hollywood Ponzi scheme doc "Hollywood Hustler", explores the dynamics of codependency among the hosts, and features an extended, candid chat with artists Shelby and Sandy. Throughout, David, Jason, Natalie, and several friends trade barbs and life stories, delving into everything from stressful party planning, weird adult habits, and the sentimental value of art to navigating neighborly disputes over tree-trimming. As always, the tone is irreverent, personal, and self-deprecating, with moments of vulnerability and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life, Codependency, and Stress (01:06–07:15)

• Jason initiates by wondering why David wants to record early. They quickly joke about their codependent friendships—particularly David's reliance on Natalie for both logistics and emotional support.
  • Notable Quote:

  "It's not that I'm in love with Natalie, I just can't function without her." — David (01:58)

• Natalie explains she needs alone days to handle stressful work but David finds her absence destabilizing, emphasizing the difference in their ways of coping with pressure.
  • Notable Quote:

  "I just needed… I can't do it on phone. I just can't. I can't plan things." — David (03:07)

• Candid admissions about stress paralysis and procrastination, with both hosts discussing their strategies (or lack thereof) when overwhelmed.
  • Homer Simpson meme reference as a metaphor for "disappearing" under stress (04:17).
  • Notable Quote:

  "When I get stressed, I just stop doing anything." — Jason (04:06)

2. Health, Fasting, and Insta-envy (05:26–07:15)

• Discussion about their breakfast habits turns into a debate about health and fad fasting, with envy over DJ Zedd's extreme fasting regime.
• David contemplates trying a multi-day fast to “regenerate cells” and impress friends with a timer.
  • Notable Quote:

  "Apparently, if you fast for like three days, you lower your chances of dying by like 20%." — David (06:26)

• Plenty of innuendos about needing to "lubricate the throat," as the group teases each other (06:46-07:10).

3. Family Fame and Relationship Banter (07:15–09:27)

• David's mom appears on Jon Bon Jovi's Instagram—her reaction and David's father’s playful faux-jealousy provide comic relief.
  • Notable Quote:

  "No one ever thought there was gonna be anything between you and Bon Jovi." — David (08:12)

• Jason and David riff on the strange things partners say to each other to keep relationships running ("Hey, shrimp. I'm talking to you...").

4. The Hollywood Ponzi Scheme Doc Breakdown (10:13–17:03)

• After several tangential detours (mainly about Steely Dan), Jason finally summarizes the documentary "Hollywood Hustler," focusing on Zach Horowitz, a con artist who scammed friends, investors, and family out of hundreds of millions.
  • Key story arc: Horowitz went from a poor kid to wealthy via his stepfather, started a bogus smoothie company ("Fuel") before moving to LA, faked success, and eventually perpetrated a Ponzi scheme involving fake media rights deals.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • "He stole money from all his friends, everything." — Jason (15:49)
    • "This guy, he stole $500 million. Do you want to hear the story?" — Jason (16:01)
• David admits he relates a bit to the "bring up your friends" mentality, but is relieved he's not secretly running a scam.
  • Notable Quote:

  "Wait a minute. Has the whole thing been a scam with Dave?" — Jason (16:59)

• Tangent into David’s tendency to obsess over things—leading straight into…

5. The Tree Obsession & Neighbor Problems (19:56–24:55)

• David is fixated on a neighbor's refusal to let him trim trees that block his view. He links his dreams of moving to frustration with the trees.
  • Notable Quote:

  "It's wasted potential when those things aren't trimmed. Imagine you had a friend who's capable of something amazing, but he just sits around on the couch all day." — David (21:17)

• Jason offers to broker peace or bring a celebrity with him to plead their case.
• Discussion transitions to the general principle of obsessive thoughts, with friends promising to help David with his tree dilemma if he won’t latch onto something else.

6. On Podcasts, Fame, and Privacy (24:49–25:08)

• Jason suggests putting the podcast on Netflix’s new video podcast platform. David rejects the idea, preferring the show to remain something audiences "find" rather than stumble into.
  • Notable Quote:

  "I like that people find our podcasts when they really need...I like it buried deep in some kind of trenchy hole." — David (24:49)

7. Stuffed Animal ‘Icks’ & Sentimentality (25:10–27:31)

• Natalie confesses to feeling embarrassed about keeping childhood stuffed animals, then having an "existential crisis" and donating them all—a decision the guys find more unsettling than keeping them.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • "If it meant something to you, totally get it." — David (27:14)
    • "Well, honestly, now it’s triple the ick." — David (27:06)
• They segue into personal memorabilia; David keeps a sentimental Tweety Bird plush and has cherished Build-a-Bears from friends.

8. Art, Nostalgia, and Shelby & Sandy Interview (28:16–end)

• David introduces artists Shelby and Sandy, responsible for much of his home’s artwork.
  • Anecdote: David owns several of their works; his first was a painting of his Toyota Corolla parked at a viewpoint—ironically, on the very street he lives on now (29:17).
  • Notable Quote:

  “I just think it’s so crazy that you guys made this painting for me so long ago, and now I’m living on the street where the painting’s from!” — David (30:19)

• Discussion about the artistic process:
  • Painters reflect on how their styles and confidence have evolved; David compares them to musicians with a signature sound/hit songs.
  • Jason, David, and Natalie all riff on what type of artist they’d be (pop art, neon, abstract).
  • Shelby and Sandy discuss balancing fine art with commercial projects—recent collab in Beijing with FILA Golf (39:05).
  • Art market realities: price, commercial vs fine art, and the power of art dealers.
• Memorable Interactions:
  • Jason jokes about being a pop artist, and the group teases each other about artistic merit and insurance policies if their art becomes more valuable posthumously (37:04).
  • Notable Quote:

  “David, you are a light.” — Shelby/Sandy (41:45)

  • Ending with an invitation to visit the Shelby and Sandy studio, where they promise art, vibes, and white wine (42:27).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Codependency:
  “It's not that I'm in love with Natalie, I just can't function without her.” — David (01:58)

• On Overwhelm & Coping:
  “When I get stressed, I just stop doing anything.” — Jason (04:06) “You know that meme of Homer Simpson fading into the grass? That’s what I feel like with my eyeballs.” — David (04:17)

• On Ponzi Schemes:
  “He stole money from all his friends, everything.” — Jason (15:49)
  “This guy, he stole $500 million. Do you want to hear the story?” — Jason (16:01)

• On Trees & Obsession:
  “It’s wasted potential when those things aren’t trimmed. Imagine you had a friend who's capable of something amazing, but he just sits around on the couch all day.” — David (21:17)

• On Podcast Discovery:
  “I like that people find our podcasts when they really need...I like it buried deep in some kind of trenchy hole.” — David (24:49)

• On Artistic Serendipity:
  “I just think it’s so crazy that you guys made this painting for me so long ago, and now I’m living on the street where the painting’s from!” — David (30:19)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Codependency and Scheduling Mayhem: 01:06–05:03
• Fasting, Health, and Breakfast Debates: 05:26–07:15
• Family Fame Story (Bon Jovi): 07:15–09:03
• Hollywood Ponzi Scheme Doc Storyline: 10:13–17:03
• David’s Tree Obsession and Neighborhood Issues: 19:56–24:55
• Philosophy on Podcast Fame/Discovery: 24:49–25:08
• Stuffed Animals and Sentimental Triggers: 25:10–27:31
• Shelby & Sandy Art Talk, Sentimentality & Artistic Process: 28:16–42:36
• Wrap-up and Plugs: 42:27–end

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Tone & Style

The episode flows with the characteristic VIEWS energy: fast, sarcastic, intimate, and self-deprecating. Candid revelations, vulnerability, and friendly roast battles are balanced with genuine admiration—especially in the conversation about creative growth and cherishing memories.

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For New Listeners

If you're unfamiliar with VIEWS, this episode is a prime example—personal stories blend with pop-culture commentary and inside jokes. You'll come for the headline about a Hollywood scam, but stay for the chaotic honesty about friendship, personal quirks, and the creative process. Even the “serious” moments are laced with humor, and the warmth among friends is always evident.

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Guests featured: Natalie, Alex, Taylor, Shelby & Sandy
Highlighted topics: Ponzi schemes, artistic legacy, codependency, view-blocking trees, the awkwardness of adult childhood mementos, and what it means to truly make it as a creative.

Transcript

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[B]

What's up, guys? Welcome back to Views. We're Jason, Natalie, Al standing by.

[A]

Yeah, why'd you want a podcast tonight?

[B]

That is an interesting question. It's like, are you sick? Because it's, like, early.

[A]

Yeah, because I got. I got a nice text from Dave. It's Tuesday, and normally we're really scrambling to get, like, Thursday's episode goes up at like, 11pm yeah, yeah.

[B]

Thursday's episode's usually recorded Thursday. Wait, what day is it? Tuesday or Wednesday?

[A]

Today's Tuesday. Oh, did you have your days wrong? Is that called. I literally was at home.

[B]

All right, you can go home, Jerry.

[A]

Yeah, no kidding.

[C]

Let's wrap it up.

[A]

I was like, I got the text, like, you want to pod tonight? I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. I yelled at him like, he wants to pod tonight. Get it all done.

[B]

Well, it's because Natalie hasn't been here all day.

[A]

Ah, you're.

[C]

That's what this is about?

[B]

Yeah, 100%.

[C]

This is a trap.

[A]

He's in love with you.

[C]

I know.

[A]

He is deep, deep seated underground in love with you. He doesn't even know it.

[C]

No, he doesn't.

[B]

No, no, no. I'm not in love with that. I just can't function without her. And the entire day.

[C]

That'. Brother.

[B]

No, no, it's like. It's like I just sat here. Al. You can attest to this. Alex, what did I do all day? Which. Where was I?

[D]

Yeah, I walk in the movie room and he's laying on the couch all.

[A]

Cuddled up in a Blanket.

[B]

What time is it?

[D]

I don't know, like two, three.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And then he's like calling Taylor, like yelling, where is she?

[A]

Where is she?

[B]

And then she comes in.

[D]

I like go outside to take a call or something.

[B]

Where are you going? I've been here. Yeah, I've been here since 2pm it is now 9pm Jesus. I have just moved. Huh?

[A]

I haven't moved in the same spot.

[B]

Yeah, in the same spot, obviously. I go up to pee a lot and like, you know, I haven't. I haven't actually moved since I've eaten. I haven't eaten yet since 1pm wow. Yes, definitely some issues I have to work on.

[C]

Definitely codependency.

[B]

But why I needed Natalie here is because I wanted to plan out the rest of the week. Like I want to like when are we gonna start shooting the vlog? And like, like we have people for that. But like Natalie also knows the other side of my schedule.

[A]

Uh huh.

[B]

So like I just needed.

[D]

I need.

[C]

Which I can very easily communicate on.

[B]

I can't do it on phone. I just can't. I can't. I can't plan things.

[A]

You're old school.

[B]

Yeah, I'm old school. And also we have a Halloween party this week that I'm like really stressed about. People are up my ass about like hitting me up to come and like, I just need to like communicate with Natalie. I'm just like really stressed. And like Natalie likes to stay at home during the most high stressed moments.

[C]

I needed it one day at home. Like inside the amount of work that.

[B]

I got done, I know she does it. Yeah, I know she does it for that reason. So like when there is the most amount of stress here, she leaves. I have to go home so she can actually get the work done. But that's tough for me because when there is the most amount of stress, that's when I need Natalie. So, you know, it just doesn't the balance.

[C]

But like you don't like, you're totally fine.

[B]

I really don't. But Tay was fucking great today. We had such a good time.

[C]

Amazing.

[A]

What did you guys do?

[B]

We watched this movie called Astronaut.

[C]

You watched a fucking movie in the middle of the day?

[B]

Well, I was finishing it up, but yeah, bro, yeah. Yeah. I had kind of like a me day. What?

[C]

This is a stressful week for.

[B]

You have those? Well, when I get stressed, you have.

[C]

Plenty of me days.

[B]

When I just get. When I get stressed, I just stop doing anything.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

I just like stop.

[A]

Do you ever get overwhelmed? You're Like, I have like five or six things I need to do. I'm like, I'm not doing any of it.

[B]

Yeah, you just start pretending like you don't exist.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, yeah, you know those, like, you know that meme of Homer Simpson fading into like the, the grass or the hedges? It's like, that's like literally what I feel like with my eyeballs. I'm like, okay, I'm not on this planet. None of this matters. And I'm just going to disappear. And then that's when I hear Natalie's voice pull me out of the hedge. Hey, dumb fuck. And then we have to do whatever we have to do.

[C]

Lock in.

[B]

Well, how was your day without me?

[C]

Was it incredible?

[B]

Fuck.

[C]

I Woke up at 7am this morning.

[B]

I just went on a three minute rant about how difficult it was for me. She's like, I had the best day ever.

[C]

I Woke up at 7. I went for a run this morning, which was great. Great start to my day. Made myself some breakfast, had all my Zoom calls, did all my emails. I cleared out my entire inbox, which is really difficult for me to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it was great. And I got back to everybody. Like, I feel really, like, I feel really organized. I feel really good about this week and it is a very stressful week, but there's a lot going on.

[A]

Did you have breakfast?

[C]

I made a piece of toast with prosciutto and some soft boiled eggs.

[A]

Prosciutto? Yeah. Wow.

[C]

It was very good.

[A]

You jealous of that, Dave?

[B]

Yeah. So I have been, I've been for breakfast, I've been eating bagels, Alex's bagels. I've been going, alex, have you noticed that your bagels are disappearing quicker? Yeah.

[A]

Taylor asked me yesterday, she's like, do.

[B]

You have more bagels?

[D]

I'm like, there were 10 left yesterday. What do you mean?

[B]

Do we have more bagels? Yeah, I go through them a lot. So like I eat a lot of bagels and apparently they're not good for you.

[C]

It's like very processed.

[A]

Yeah. Like a lenders.

[C]

Especially the bagels that Alex gets.

[B]

Like, I get two bagels with cream cheese, but I get all cut up veggies. I get all the veggies in the world. So I, I've been thinking I've been eating healthy, but it's actually like, I'm like, I can tell. I'm getting like pudgy because of it. I was going to like do a little fast. The DJ Zed has been posting on his Instagram stories that he's on a fast and has, like, he has a little timer for his fast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's like 136 hours in. No. No food crazy. And it's like, making me really jealous because, like, I want a timer to show my friends and be like, look how far I am. So I'm thinking that I may do that soon. Maybe after the Halloween party. Apparently, if you, like, fast once or some sh. For like, three days, you, like, lower your chances of dying by like, 20.

[C]

Your cells, like, start to regenerate and, like, kill off other things or whatever.

[A]

Have you ever done. Have you ever done a three day fast?

[B]

No, no, I've never. I've never done anything like that.

[A]

I think I've done 24 hours.

[B]

Three days is 24 hours. I'm sure I've done on accident, but like, that's like that.

[A]

You just get.

[D]

Your hunger goes away.

[B]

Yeah, it's mainly like my throat. My throat needs, like, something to be moving up and down it or. Okay, Jesus Christ. I'm being serious. Like, my throat always needs to be like, lubricant.

[C]

We know you're being serious. And it's.

[A]

I love a cock in my mouth too.

[B]

Seriously. Listen to me. This is why I need a big dick in my mouth. No, no, no. I just need stuff in my mouth or I feel like I'm getting sick.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So, yeah, I do consume things a lot. That's why I chew gum a lot. But yeah.

[A]

David's mom was on Jon Bon Jovi's Instagram.

[B]

Oh, yeah, big deal. My mom actually texted me the other day. I mean, she really likes to keep her private life private, but she was really stoked. She said she's still processing it. Yeah, she can't believe it. My dad. I texted in the group chat saying she's on Bon Jovi's Instagram.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she was talking about how her heart rate went up again or something. And my dad's like, okay, where do we draw the line? The phone. The phone call was really funny with my dad after we left Bon Jovi.

[A]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. What did he say?

[B]

I don't remember, but it was just, like, funny because it was obviously her crush and, like, obviously nothing would ever happen.

[A]

I think he said something like, do you like him? Like, he was joking.

[B]

But yeah, it was something like that. Yeah, but it was funny. It was funny to hear. And then it was funny, like my mom defending it, being like, you know, I could obviously never. I would never. Like, it's just a crush I had back in the Day. I'm like. And then I remember telling her, I was like, why are you explaining it that way? It's actually like a lot more suspicious. No one ever thought there was gonna be anything between you and Bon Jovi.

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Why are you.

[A]

That's love. That's real love.

[B]

Like, having to explain it that way.

[A]

But you still have to go through those conversations. Like Naveen and I go through that. Or like you say things that are so obvious just to maintain.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. With love. You do. You do actually say the obvious. Yeah.

[A]

Naveen said this thing to me.

[B]

That's why Natalie calls me a dumbass all the time.

[C]

I feel like it's the reverse.

[B]

Yes, that's true. Because I'm in love.

[A]

Naveen said to me today. She goes. She goes. She said something to me and I was like texting somebody and I didn't answer right away. And she was like, hey, hey, shrimp. She calls me shrimp. She's like, I'm talking to you like that. And I was like, okay, okay.

[B]

I just.

[A]

Give me one sec.

[B]

I was.

[A]

Dave, I was fucking two seconds late in answering her. Right?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Did she think you were texting some, like, girl?

[A]

No, no, no. It just wasn't like. It wasn't like, locked in, you know?

[B]

Oh, I did that.

[A]

And she. She goes.

[B]

She goes, that's not even love, though. That's like. That's like fucking abuse.

[A]

Like, you're going to thank me one day for being like that. She's like, cuz this is how marriages break up. It's like, because I stay on you, she goes, we're going to stay together. And I was like, wait, what kind of logic is that? I'm not sure.

[C]

It's probably true.

[B]

That's really crazy, man. It's really crazy. You got that wife.

[A]

Okay, can I tell you about this doc I watched.

[C]

No.

[B]

Oh my God. Please. No, dude, please, for love of God. What could it. What is it about Billy Joel? The Beatles? An octopus?

[A]

Dilly Dan who? Suck my dick.

[C]

Oh my God. I was at a vintage store, like shopping or whatever. Resale shop.

[A]

My God. This actually, I go to vintage stores all the time.

[C]

I saw there was like a Steely Dan, like an old, like vintage Steely Dan poster, and I almost bought it for you.

[A]

Oh, that's really.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You didn't know that she was going to reference Steely Dan? No, I didn't.

[A]

I thought she.

[B]

I thought she just was blowing past you.

[A]

She just blowing past it.

[B]

Damn. You took it too. You were like, oh, another story. Here we go.

[C]

I didn't buy it.

[B]

What's your. What's your story about the.

[A]

Okay, there's a doc on Amazon. I'll keep it.

[B]

Bear with us. Bear with us.

[A]

It's called Hollywood Hustler, okay? And it's a guy that came to Hollywood, blah, blah, blah, blah, and he. He basically tricked everybody into, like, investing in his movie company.

[B]

Con artist. Yeah.

[A]

He just. But he did it to all his friends, too, okay. And it's just, like, a really good doc, and I can't do it.

[B]

I'm sorry. Is it our fault? Because I feel like we blew.

[A]

No, that one was my fault. No, that one was my fault, really.

[B]

Because I feel like we blew the wind out of your sails, like, even. Like, even before you left the dock.

[A]

Well, it's not really.

[B]

What was the point of that?

[A]

I just got tired all of a sudden, and I couldn't really tell.

[B]

No, it's our fault because we laughed at you.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

So anyways, go watch it.

[B]

Are you getting paid?

[A]

Why am I getting.

[B]

What are you getting paid by Steely Dan to promote the stock. All right, here. Let's restart again. Let's restart again. Let us give you energy, because I think that that story may actually be good.

[A]

Can I tell you about this Amazon doc I watched?

[B]

Yeah, of course. What is it? What is it about?

[A]

Okay, well, it's really cool. It's about. It's about this guy named Zach Horowitz.

[B]

Zach? From Steely Dan?

[A]

No, no, not from Steely Dan, you fuckers.

[B]

Oh, my bad.

[A]

Name one Steely Dan song.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You don't know?

[B]

One highway to Hell.

[A]

It's not a bad guess.

[B]

Paparazzi.

[A]

That's acdc. That's Lady Gaga.

[B]

I'm sure I know.

[D]

Steely Dance.

[A]

Espresso.

[B]

Come on. I know.

[A]

Name one Steely Dance song. I'll fucking Venmo you 10 bucks.

[B]

Dude, your body language. I wish. I wish people saw that. It was like you were about to offer me $1,000. Name one steely dance song. Fucking.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

Five bucks, it's yours.

[A]

Times are tough.

[B]

Pick me up when I go.

[A]

Not a bad guess.

[B]

I'm putting the right words together.

[A]

Songs like. Kind of like that name like that Turning Around. There's Turn that Heartbeat Around.

[B]

So pretty crazy.

[A]

That's pretty good.

[B]

It's really good.

[C]

All right.

[B]

I would have probably gotten there in five guesses.

[A]

Go. Go.

[D]

Try.

[B]

Keep going. No, please.

[A]

Do one more.

[B]

Go. Go to the fucking doc.

[A]

Do one more.

[B]

Wait, what does this have to do with the Jordan Horowitz thing?

[A]

It's not a Steely Dan doc. It's a doc about a Hollywood scam artist.

[D]

Wait, you brought up Steely Dan?

[C]

You brought up stealing in.

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

I said, do you want to watch a doc? And you go, I don't want to hear about Billy Joel and Steely Dan.

[B]

Oh, no way.

[A]

Yeah. This is about, like, a scam artist.

[D]

Oh, I.

[B]

That's why I've been confused.

[A]

That's why. That's why you're confused.

[B]

That's why your story fell flat to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was like, so where does Steely dance?

[A]

No, no. If I watch a Steely Dan doc, you'll know.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, so this is nothing to do.

[A]

The audience knows who Steely Dan is.

[B]

Do you think the audience is following this at all?

[A]

I know this.

[B]

Okay. All right, go.

[A]

This doctor is a guy named Jordan Horowitz. No. Yeah.

[C]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

All right, go.

[A]

Hey, it's a doc called Hollywood Hustler.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a kid. Blah, blah, blah, blah. He. He's got a. He's got a mom. The mom marries the richest guy in Chicago.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like the. One of the biggest moguls in Chicago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And his name's Zach. And he's like, all right, awesome. So now he's like, at 14. He goes from being a poor kid to a rich kid.

[B]

Because of this dad.

[A]

Yeah. Because this new, new stepdad. And he's rich and he loves being rich and it, like, changes him, you know, it's like a chasm.

[B]

But it's not his money.

[A]

It's not his money.

[B]

He just loves the idea, loves socializing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. Okay.

[A]

So he gets out of school and he's like, I'm gonna fucking be the best. I'm gonna bring all my boys with me. Like, just like you. Like, I thought about you when I was watching it. I thought about Ilya a lot too. And he was like. He's like, they went to Indiana State and they're like, we're going to be boys. We're going to be brothers. He's like, we're going to take over the world and Zach's going to lead the way. Zach was the. The guy that everybody, like, loved and was like, zach can do anything.

[B]

The guy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, he can charm his way.

[A]

He can charm his way into anything. He's a good looking guy. Zach starts a company called Fuel F U L. It's. It's a. It's a smoothie company. Okay. Downtown Chicago, and he's making smoothies and he gets all his boys from the frat to come and work the fucking fuel. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're working and he. And he. And he calls him one day and he goes. He goes, you're not going to believe this, but Howard Scholz just emailed me from Starbucks. Howard Scholz created Starbucks?

[B]

Yeah. So one of the. Telling his frat boys this.

[A]

Yeah. I tell the frat boys this. And. And they're like, holy shit, dude. Holy shit. He's like, howard Schultz, he's going to buy fuel. He's going to buy it. He's going to give us 300 million for fuel.

[B]

For just one.

[A]

Yeah, for just one store. Okay, maybe eventually. Well, then eventually fuel closes and they. They can't do it. Zach moves to la, brings his high school, brings the college sweetheart with him, starts acting. And then he. He gets into. He's like, oh, he creates this business. He's like, basically what I do is I buy shitty movies and I sell the rights to Latin America. And this is right at the time when streaming is getting big.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Right. And I sell them to Latin America and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so basically, he gets, like, millions of dollars. He gets money from everybody. He has all his boys put all their money and all their parents money in, and he. And the whole thing was made up. There was never one deal with Netflix. There was never one deal with hbo. Howard Scholz, he never knew, and his wife married him, and then the boys all, like, were just like, what the fuck?

[B]

He stole money from all his friends, everything.

[A]

How much money he stole? I think, like, you know, I mean, something. It's over, like, $500 million.

[B]

Oh, dude, you gotta fucking lead with that, brother.

[A]

Yeah, well, this guy, he stole $500 million. Do you want to hear the story?

[B]

Yeah. I did that at the beginning. That was Steely.

[A]

Dad's a great band. You want to hear about it?

[B]

Yeah. Then when did he join Steely Dan? Okay. That was. I actually like that.

[C]

I would definitely watch.

[B]

You know what? That would. That what just happened there, that was proof. Have you ever seen those TikToks where it's like. It's like a little kid at graduation looking for their parents, and then they see their parent and they, like, light up. And the caption is proof that showing up matters. That's kind of what just happened here. When we gave Jason our energy, the story just became so much more lifely.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And vividly life. Yeah. I got sport. I learned better words. So this is just a sign. This is actually a learning lesson to me to treat Jason with more respect.

[A]

Thank you so much. Can I bring 10 people to the Halloween party? But it made me think of you because I was like.

[B]

It was scared of my friends.

[A]

I was part of me. I was watching it. I was like, wait a minute. Has the whole thing been a scam with Dave?

[B]

That's really funny. It's.

[A]

All of a sudden, I was like, no, he actually did it. And I haven't given him any money.

[B]

I'm gonna lose my mind, Jay. I'm really angry today.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, put it into the pod. Just like Running man last night. He was angry, and he was trying to save his wife and kids. You're gonna try to save your life around here. You're the Running Man, I think.

[B]

Why did you just randomly plug that movie?

[A]

Because it was great.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

It was great. I mean, I loved it. I mean, I rarely go to a movie where I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, I love Glen Powell.

[A]

Oh, got to talk to him.

[B]

It does feel like. Yeah.

[A]

Fuck, yeah, I got to talk to him. My second time getting to talk to him.

[B]

What did you say to him?

[A]

I walked up to him and I was like, fuck, there's no way he's gonna remember me. But I was like, hey, man, we met at the Top Gun premiere. I'm like, I'm sure you don't remember.

[B]

Jesus, what did he say?

[A]

And he was like, okay, okay. He definitely didn't remember.

[B]

Obviously didn't remember you, Jay.

[C]

The Top Gun premiere we talked about.

[B]

So funny.

[A]

No, we talked at the Top Gun premiere. J. What?

[B]

Come on. Are you fucking kidding?

[A]

Oh, you are angry today.

[D]

I didn't.

[A]

I said I didn't think you would remember me, but I thought maybe there'd be a chance.

[B]

Come on, dude.

[A]

How many times have you had people.

[B]

Do that to you? That's fine.

[A]

That.

[B]

Is that not crazy?

[C]

I mean, yeah, listen.

[A]

If I had your line of work. 100%, you're right.

[B]

I don't even know Glenn Powell. But don't hit him with a you. I don't know if you remember me.

[A]

No, I said you probably don't remember. I said, I'm sure you don't. I said, I'm sure you don't remember me. And. And then he didn't. He was great. He was great. I know, but that's like.

[B]

You don't put a guy on the spot like that. You should know that, out of all people.

[A]

Okay, so I just gonna remember Jay.

[B]

Glenn Powell has done 19 projects this year. This is his 20th fucking film. You think he remembers talking to you on a boat seven years ago? I mean, is that crazy?

[C]

Well, you're just, like, really crazy.

[A]

We Talked for, like, 10. We talked for, like, 10 minutes at the. At the Top Gun premiere. Like, I sat with him for a while.

[B]

I just think it's funny because you. You, out of all people, have been around, like, celebrities for so long.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But then, like, it all just goes out the window when you talk to one, because you get so nervous, and you just, like. You just fall right into, like, I'm a big fan.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I do. And I particularly like him. I was excited about him.

[B]

Big fan.

[A]

So then I. So then I.

[B]

Sorry. I also just came off pretty angry. I'm not. I don't care. I'm angry about other things.

[A]

I know. I know. It's. You want the trees cut down. I get it.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Let's get into it. Let's just leave Glenn Powell at the door. Wonderful guy. I won't tell you guys what we said. Besides, I don't want to speak out of turn here. This special conversation I had with Glenn Pollis.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's kind of private.

[B]

Okay, well, what is it? What did you talk about?

[A]

I stole him. I love Chad Powers. And he was like, oh, dude, thank you so much. And then. And I'm like, I tell everybody. And then he was like. He was like, oh, please. Yes. We're trying to get the word out there. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, yeah, I'm like, you know, I'm an influencer for Chad Powers now.

[B]

No, Chad Powers is great.

[A]

Chad Powers is so good. Okay, go ahead. So the trees.

[B]

Well, I'm just mad because I'm not upset, because it's. Yes, I'm upset.

[A]

Everybody's out of your mind. I don't even want you to put this on the podcast, because they're gonna hear it, and they're gonna go, oh, wow, he's going back. He's lost it.

[B]

Really? I don't want to talk about it.

[A]

No, no, let's do it.

[C]

I just talk about.

[B]

I just. Okay, go. You say, I'll tell the audience.

[A]

Yeah, tell the audience.

[B]

I'll tell them, but I won't get into it.

[A]

Okay, go.

[B]

I just. My neighbor's not letting me trim his trees, and I really. It's eating at my view. Like, I'm like. I'm saying. To the point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where I think it's like. It's. You know how I've been having dreams about selling the house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think it's because the trees are starting to block the trees, and it's. It's going into my head. I'm sorry. I'm such a sucker for views. That's all I worry about.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

And I. That's it. I'm not gonna get into it because I can rant about this for three hours.

[A]

Great. Let's do it.

[B]

No, I'm not.

[A]

No, I want to tell you what I think now. So you're telling me this. He's like, guys, he's, like, really upset about it. He's like, now, when you come to the house, I promise you, you walk into the backyard. It is a gorgeous house. You look to the left, to the west. Gorgeous view.

[B]

I know, Jay. I know.

[A]

Gorgeous view. And then you look in the middle, and there are some trees there.

[B]

Do you know why?

[A]

Now you look to the right.

[B]

Do you know why?

[A]

Where I live in the slums, it's just. It's a beautiful view to the east.

[B]

No, it's not that. It's not that. It's. It's. It's not that I'm mad. Like, if I came here for the first time, I'd be like, beautiful view. But I've lived here long enough that I know the potential of this place, and it is wasted potential when those things aren't trimmed. That's all. It's just like. Imagine you had a friend who's capable of something amazing, but he just sits around on the couch all day.

[A]

Why are you looking at me?

[B]

That's what it is. This is my friend that's sitting on the couch.

[A]

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'll go over to the neighbor.

[B]

No, please, please, please.

[A]

If I get it done, me and Glenn. Paul, go over to the neighbor. I'll bring Glen with me.

[B]

Can you FaceTime Glen to FaceTime my neighbor one?

[A]

Okay, I think I can get that done.

[B]

Glenn, I don't know if you remember me, but I snuck into your phone and added myself as a contact.

[A]

You forgot me from last night.

[B]

Who?

[A]

No, but what if.

[B]

What if you should keep doing that with Glenn every time you see him. I don't know if you remember me from the Mission Impossible and then also the Running man, and then also the Chad Powers premiere, but he's just like, here's that man. Here's that 50.

[A]

Okay, let's say it's not me. Let's say it's. Natalie gets it done. Michael gets it done. What if we can get it done, let's just say. Okay, will you, like, start to obsess over something else?

[B]

No.

[A]

You'll be done.

[B]

No.

[A]

You promise?

[B]

I don't obsess over anything like this, other than the trees that.

[A]

Is that true?

[C]

I mean, the trees have been an ongoing thing for years now, so. Yes, I guess.

[B]

But, like. Like, will I do a renovation in my living room for, like, different marble, like, other stupid shit? Yes, but I'm not gonna obsess over that. If someone was like, no, you can't do that back. Okay, fine. I don't need to do that. The trees. The trees here. For some reason. And you know how I feel about the environment, Jay.

[A]

Yes, I know.

[B]

I want it eliminated.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

No, no, but you know. You know, I had my famous tree podcast back in 2019.

[A]

Remind me.

[B]

Well, didn't we fight about the trees or something?

[C]

I'm sure at the old house all the time.

[B]

Yeah, at the old house. What did we say? You said, I hate trees. Oh. I said, I hate nature.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So you don't, like, you're going out and constructing nature, though?

[B]

No, no, no, no. I just want. Just a haircut.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, so let's say. How about. What if I can get it done for you?

[B]

I don't want to go about this in any illegal way, so I want to hurt the trees.

[A]

Oh, no, nothing illegal. Nothing illegal. Oh, I'm gonna go talk to him.

[B]

Yeah, I'll give you a nice check.

[A]

I don't even want anything. I just wanna make sure that once it gets done.

[C]

Shut the fuck up.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll shut the fuck up.

[A]

Okay, great. Let's get it.

[B]

Video podcast.

[A]

Let's get it done.

[C]

Whatever you want. Let's ask for something big here.

[A]

Video podcast. Wait a minute.

[C]

This is gonna be quite the achievement, if you can p. You need something good.

[A]

Netflix is doing video podcasts now.

[B]

I know, dude. You've told me six times. You've told me six times.

[A]

Could you imagine?

[B]

You could.

[A]

We could be on Netflix.

[B]

I actually wouldn't want to do that.

[A]

Oh, right. Why? Because you got to sit around talk about trees all day.

[B]

You know, the reason I don't like our podcast on YouTube is actually the same reason I don't want it on Netflix. It's because I like that people find our podcasts when they really need, when they really look for it. Like, I like it, like, buried deep in some kind of fucking trenchy hole. Like, I don't like. I Don't like that people are watching the vlogs and then like, what's this hour long video? And then they click on the podcast and like, this is fucking boring. Not that it's boring, but it's a podcast. If you've never listened to a podcast. Right. It's a bit like I hate personally would never listen to a podcast to save my life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, I don't like listening to podcasts. I just don't understand it. So like, so other people like me that are just used to like a five, six minute video from me, then when they come across the hour long podcast, I just don't want them to be confused.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I think Netflix is another way of. It's somebody easily finding the podcast.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I don't want us to be easily accessible.

[A]

Right, right, right. We'll continue to live in the trenches.

[B]

Sorry. You know me, Jay. I'm fucking right now. I'm really stressed. You got me at a bad time.

[A]

Okay, all right, all right. I'll get off of.

[B]

Sorry, sorry.

[A]

I love talking about the video podcast.

[B]

Okay, sorry, Nat.

[A]

Sorry. Go ahead, Nat.

[C]

Well, the other night I was at home by myself and I gave myself the biggest ick that I've ever given myself about myself. And I had this whole, like, existential crisis about it.

[A]

Doing a Dutch oven?

[C]

No, no. I was sitting in my room, I was watching tv, and I have a bunch of stuffed animals, like, on my dresser. And I was thinking, I was like, that's probably like. Like, if a guy ever comes over and like, sees all my, like, childhood stuffed animals on my dresser, like that I'm like, I'm almost 30. Like, isn't that, like, so icky? It's like, is this woman a freak? She's stuffed animal girl. Like, that's weird.

[B]

It's just weird for you.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Because that's not like the Persona you give off. Like, if I went to Taylor's house and sure. Stuffed animals on the dresser, I'd be like, hell, yeah. She's like a child at heart. She loves this. You're like. Like I'd expect maybe like a Shrek action figure.

[C]

A Shrek action figure?

[B]

Like that. Like, that's as far as I would go.

[A]

Why? You don't think she has a soft side?

[B]

Not the way she's. No, I'm just saying. No, she does.

[A]

But what she portrays.

[B]

But for what you portray, yes. If I came home and there was like a pink unicorn and like, you know, there's definitely a unicorn, a little bear, like, I would Be confused.

[C]

For sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was looking at it, and I was like, oh, my God. Like, this is just so icky.

[B]

No, but that's just for you. I see why you think so.

[C]

You don't think it's, like. You don't think it's, like, weird when a grown adult has, like, stuffed animals?

[B]

Yeah, it is. If we also. If you put in that sentence, it is. Yeah, it's weird.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

You're also. You're talking to a guy who has two Iron man statues in his living room.

[C]

Yeah, but that's memorabilia. Like, this is just, like, random memorabilia.

[B]

Thank you, Natalie. Finally, someone recognizing my art as well.

[C]

There's, like, credibility to that.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I just had this weird thing. I was like, so, what are you gonna do?

[A]

You gonna get rid of it?

[C]

Yeah, I'm gonna. I got rid of all of them.

[D]

You.

[B]

Oh, really?

[C]

Yeah, I donated all of them. I was like, this is so.

[B]

Okay. Well, honestly, it's. Now it's triple the ick.

[C]

What?

[B]

Like, the fact that they meant nothing to you, that you could just get rid of them? That's weird.

[C]

No, for sure. Like, I don't even think I put them there.

[B]

Like, I think that's super weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, if it meant something to you, totally get it.

[C]

Like, PR package or something.

[B]

Like, I have a Tweety Bird in my closet. It sits in my closet, but I've had them since I was four years old.

[C]

Yeah, I have a bin of those.

[B]

Oh, you have a bin. Okay, so you keep those around.

[C]

I do keep them, but obviously I have.

[B]

I have my. Build a bear in my bed or right next to my bed that Jason got me. And every time you hit his heart, it's Jason going, wow, this new addition that you added to your house is really cool, David.

[C]

I always say, I'd love to watch.

[B]

Avengers for the third time.

[A]

When are we gonna cut those trees down?

[B]

Yeah, you should add a new one.

[A]

I should add a new one. I should update it.

[B]

So, yeah, I.

[A]

Do you go in and look at Tweety?

[B]

Yeah, I look at Tweety all the time.

[A]

And what do you do? You just kind of go, hmm.

[B]

Well, it's just, like, I like, pinpoints in my house. Like, when I walk through the house. This is how I've organized my home is, like, every single walk, I want to keep myself stimulated. So, like, from moss wall to action figures to Tweety Bird, like, everything is, like, an access to a new memory. So.

[A]

Oh, wow. And what do you Think about Tweety, bro.

[B]

You know what I actually thought about? Yo, let me get Shelby and Sandy on the pod. This is a good idea. Okay, guys, this is perfect timing. Shelby and Sandy are here. And if you don't know who Shelby and Sandy are in my life, they're very important. So, like, I'm a big fan of fun art, and these guys are the most fun artists ever of all time. And how many pieces do I own from you guys?

[A]

Probably like, eight.

[B]

Like, a lot. Yeah. So, like, anything that's colorful in my house, it is.

[D]

A lot.

[B]

Is. Is Shelby and Sandy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So guess what? I thought of a new idea for a painting. Oh, Number nine. Are you ready? No. Okay. So one of the first ones you got me, my girlfriend a long time ago got me. And it's a picture of the car I drove here in. It's a Toyota Corolla.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Right. And it's a picture of it parked at a viewpoint. And the viewpoint just so happens I've told you guys this. I don't know if I've said it on the pod, but the viewpoint just so happens, ironically, happens to be this exact street that we are currently sitting on.

[A]

I have heard this.

[B]

So I got that. I got that painting in, like, what. What year was it when you guys did that painting?

[D]

Man, you're asking really hard questions, David. It was like.

[B]

Oh, sorry.

[D]

2016.

[B]

2016, maybe.

[A]

Yeah, sounds about right. 2016, 2017.

[B]

Okay, so that painting is from fucking nine years ago, right? This house wasn't built yet. This house was built, like, four years ago. And, like, I didn't know about the street, but where that setting takes place was on the street. And two years after I moved here, I realized that that house where that view where that painting is inspired by, sits on my street, five houses down. So I think it's, like, just, like, kind of crazy and very serendipitous. And now I thought it'd be really cool to do that same exact painting.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, today. And, like, put them side by side and just to be like, here's the Corolla. And then, like, Natalie's Ferrari. And then Natalie's Ferrari. No, but just, like. I don't know what it is, but it's the. It's like. I just think it's so crazy that you guys made this painting for me so long ago.

[D]

No, it's amazing.

[B]

And now I'm living on the street where the paintings from, like, that makes no sense to me.

[A]

So what would the new painting be?

[D]

I don't Know the view you have right now.

[B]

I think it'd be the same exact painting. I know it's gonna sound very materialistic, but it's gonna mean a lot to me. But, like, a new car. Like, I think it's, like, really cool to be, like, from the Corolla, but.

[D]

The same favorite car right now.

[A]

We made it.

[B]

I don't have a. Like, I don't have.

[D]

Or is there a car that you want that you haven't got yet?

[B]

I don't know. Like, what? That's why I don't like the idea of a car, because I think it's so sweet to have a Corolla on there. And, like, having a Ferrari on there is, like, so incredibly douchey. But, like, how do you. Like. I just. I don't know if you.

[A]

With the Corolla. So you remember that you have the new and the old.

[B]

No, this is the view.

[A]

No, I know, but do this view the other way.

[B]

What?

[A]

To the next house.

[B]

I'd have to guess where the next house is.

[A]

Where's it going to be? Vernon Hills?

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. No, I think you're missing the point.

[A]

Here, predicting the future.

[B]

I'm just riffing, but do you know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't think they see the vision either yet.

[D]

I like this.

[A]

And they're.

[C]

The pain.

[D]

I see a little bit of a vision.

[A]

There's something there for sure.

[D]

It's really good.

[B]

Okay. Is it, like. I just think it's interesting. It's like, nine years apart.

[D]

I like, you went into the future there. You finished your Celsius pretty quick.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah. I don't think that's a crazy thing to say. No, it's cool to look into the future. Like, what's next? It's a little bit of, like, maybe. Maybe in nine years, you can do a third.

[D]

Pumped about the fact that this is the view.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

And it's. It's almost like. What's that word? History wrote the future. I don't know. There's a Serendipitous.

[B]

I think it's Serendipitous. I think it's, like, really cool. And, like, what if instead.

[D]

Here we go. Here we go.

[B]

Instead of the car cook. It's like the backside of this house.

[D]

Okay. There's a little bit of a house.

[B]

So now it's like, I drove here, but now it's my home. Whoa.

[D]

No, no, no. That there. Listen, we got to keep going with it.

[B]

Sorry, guys.

[D]

It's gonna be like A series 9. More paintings are just stationary.

[B]

And then when I get evicted, we could do a third one. Eviction notice. But it's me driving away from the view. I don't know. Okay. Maybe it's too much.

[D]

No, it's cool. We're gonna think.

[B]

Really?

[D]

Are you just right in this? Do you need it to happen right now?

[B]

No.

[D]

Does the idea have to happen?

[B]

I just thought of this yesterday when I was in the shower. I was thinking about that painting.

[A]

Yeah?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that. I think that these guys like it. That they're like a little different than you. And I'm painters. They like to sit on it.

[B]

Oh, like you think they're taking it in differently?

[A]

Like it's going to hit them tomorrow.

[D]

No.

[A]

When they're having their tea.

[D]

Probably happen today. A little morning tea.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The second, the second they touch like an easel or like get a little pen colored something in their hand, I think they're going to feel it.

[A]

I'm so jealous of their life of more than anybody.

[B]

Yes, I agree.

[A]

Because when you go to your office downtown. Sorry, Art studio. Art studio. You walk in, I'm an asshole. I know. I'm not an asshole. You walk in, it's fucking huge. There's cool shit that they've done everywhere and they just have music on and they're just fucking painting. Like that's the best.

[B]

Wait, what do you guys think about your jobs?

[D]

It's pretty cool. There's like the. There's like this side that everybody sees like online.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

And then when we have like our friends.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And visitors come. But then there's like the emails and the meetings and the phone calls that are work, you know.

[B]

But are you guys okay? Okay. So you guys are handling that too?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Like if I have everything, if I could paint, I just put on Steely Dan all day.

[B]

But that's what I'm saying.

[D]

Like, what would you paint?

[A]

What would I paint?

[D]

Yeah. What would your style be?

[A]

Probably like, you seem like a clay guy.

[D]

Pop.

[A]

He does seem pretty. Is that a reference to my weight? I would do like pop art if I could.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. When I go to museums, my wife makes me go to museums. And so we go like half and half like classic shit. And you're like, this is boring. I don't care.

[B]

I compare you guys to like a musician. So like I imagine, I imagine like a musician has made it because they've made five hit songs. Like a really good one. Right. Has made like five hit songs that everybody knows five to ten. And I feel like you Guys have made your five, ten hit songs, and for the rest of your life, your hit songs are your style of art. Like, you've discovered it. And now for the rest of your life, that will always be adored for. For your style. And I like as. Like, I don't know. I. I know you guys always reinvent yourselves, and, like, you guys are always trying new things.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It's fun to play around with the different materials.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But wait.

[D]

This is a really nice compliment. Keep going.

[B]

But you guys are, like. You guys have grandfathered yourselves into the world where, like, I feel like there's a level of, like, you can be relaxed when you do your job. And that. I think that's what. That's. That's what makes me end this.

[D]

In the beginning, you're kind of figuring out your style, figuring out, like, what you want to do. But we've kind of done it, and we kind of. I like that we have confidence in what we're doing. We know.

[B]

And everyone. Everyone knows what you're doing. Everyone. Everyone knows. Like, I've never, ever doubted, like, if I have an idea for a painting, I've never been like, show me this before. I've never doubted.

[D]

Yeah. It's been fun with you, David. You've given us, like, only a couple days to make a painting.

[A]

Sometimes it's been fun.

[B]

You really rush on.

[A]

You gave him two days once.

[D]

No, there was. He. He had AD Come.

[B]

Architect's Digest.

[D]

Yeah. To your old house.

[B]

Which one was that? Was that the black?

[D]

Yeah, but you said you needed. You're like, guys, I need a painting, and it. I need to fill a wall. Architectural Digest is coming to my house, and it's got to be quick. And we were like, how quick? And you were like, like, three days. And we were like, whoa. Okay. And we just said. We were like. We just put everything to the side.

[B]

Damn. Thanks.

[D]

We thought about it, and we were like, okay, what could. What could we do? That would be really nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

In that time frame, three days. And then that's the. That was the in we created. That was the first time we ever did, like, the black mirror painting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was all black, I remember.

[D]

With a white frame.

[B]

Yeah. It's really sick.

[A]

Is there a moment where you're like, this isn't done, but it. He needs it.

[D]

No, it was like.

[A]

We'Re gonna do.

[D]

We made it. And it was like, this is literally perfect.

[A]

Oh, great.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Good, good. I have a question.

[B]

It's amazing because it is all black.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So, like.

[D]

But it's like physical.

[A]

I could have done it, but.

[B]

But no, but it is them. Yeah, it's really, it's really. It's really interesting.

[A]

I did it.

[B]

Maybe I.

[A]

They were in Vegas, they left me in the studio and I just slapped some. You wouldn't know the difference. The moron.

[B]

What were you saying?

[A]

I was saying, do you got. You guys. Obviously your art will be worth more when you're dead. Do you have like a big life insurance policy? Like, do you worry about your life there?

[D]

You know, when I was, I think when I was like, that's a good 20, I had like my first real job and like part of like, I don't know, like, I did a 401k and like a Roth IRA. And there was also, like, you could check this box to have. Have like a small insurance policy. Yeah. And then you had to write in the name. And so Sandy and I actually have two other brothers. And so the. The brother in between us, Corey, I put his name on it and it literally said, if I died, Corey would get $15,000.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Like, that's what I was worth that time. So I said, kill me if I die. And Corey all of a sudden has a new jet ski. You guys all know exactly what happened.

[A]

He loves the water. Come on. He's a water guy. He's got to get through your.

[D]

Anyway, I didn'.

[B]

And Now Corey's owed 3, 5, $10 million.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Have you ever watched the doc Price of Everything?

[D]

What is it?

[A]

It's a doc on HBO that's so good. And it just explains the art world to the common person. And it's so interesting. It's like basically how art dealers take 50% and art dealers and go and find. You guys aren't struggling, but they'll go find the struggling person who's on the Lower east side in New York and no money.

[B]

Art dealers have the power.

[A]

Art dealers have the power. And they can create that they deem fit, but they also take half the money.

[D]

There's a lot of different avenues, you know, in art.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, like different, like topics, let's say that you can focus on.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

So Sandy and I, we really enjoy being a commercial artist in addition to fine art.

[A]

I got you. I got you.

[D]

You know, like, we, we love making the, like the things that David has in his house. The one of a kind hand painted painting.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

But we also like doing, you know, like the brand collaborations. Like we just got home from Beijing. We did a collaboration with Fila Golf.

[A]

Oh, great.

[B]

Oh, that's perfect for you guys.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially in Beijing.

[D]

It was amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And they like the bright colors and everything and iconography.

[A]

Can you let us know what a charge for a brand would be for a painting like that?

[D]

What a charge would be for you?

[B]

This sounds like it's like, a secretive thing.

[D]

For what?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

He's saying, how much is a painting from a brand? Like, if a brand's like, I know.

[A]

How much I paid for my painting, and you guys gave me a deal.

[D]

Totally depend on.

[B]

It's way cheaper with what they say. They ripped you off. Yeah.

[A]

127,000 bucks.

[D]

Jason bought David a birthday gift one year.

[A]

Yeah. And I loved it. I thought it was so.

[B]

And I broke it a year later.

[D]

Oh, it's.

[B]

It works on the side. It's. It's impossible to fix. It just chipped.

[D]

Nothing's impossible.

[B]

It was an earthquake that broke it. I didn't break it.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Just heads up. Yeah.

[D]

It's still on the wall.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's. It's one of the fucking coolest things ever.

[D]

We just brought the neon back. That one's all fixed up.

[B]

I know. So I had a Shelby and Sandy painting here. It's a neon sign, but it's also. It's the neon sign baked into a painting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it says, proud, not satisfied, which is, like, my slogan from when I used to play tennis in high school. And our last Halloween party or birthday. I think it was my birthday. One of the Dobrik's employees is carrying pizza right by and just crushed. Crushed the neon sign.

[D]

Like an elbow.

[B]

It was like an elbow. Yeah. And she looks at me, she goes, happy birthday. Okay. That's okay.

[D]

I got a FaceTime. I think it was at your birthday or something. Everybody was in tuxedos.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I was, like, putting my kids to bed, and you were like, Edwin. You were with Edwin. You know, the Cascanes guy.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

And everybody was hammered.

[B]

Okay. And you were like, shelby, the fucking neon, bro.

[A]

The fucking neon, bro.

[D]

And I was like, we can. It'll be okay. We can fix it. And you were like, okay.

[B]

All right, well, I'll just have a question.

[D]

One more.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Jason would be a pop artist.

[B]

What artist would you be if I could make art?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's a good question.

[B]

I just like things with light.

[D]

You'd be a neon artist.

[B]

I wouldn't like to bend the neon, but I'd like things to light up. I just love when things glow with the artist.

[D]

Like James Turrell, maybe.

[B]

James Turrell. Sick. Or, like, any kind of, like, box lights. Like, anything that has, like, a light behind it.

[D]

Cool.

[B]

It doesn't have to necessarily be neon. I just, like. I just want to see it glow in the dark.

[D]

David, you are a light.

[B]

Thank you. See, that's why. That's why.

[D]

And, Natalie, what kind of artist would you be?

[B]

Just all dark gothic.

[C]

Just. Yeah, black. Just straight black.

[A]

Paintings, stuffed animals.

[C]

I really like pop art, though, too. Oh, no, you know what I like? I like, like, abstract.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, scribble stuff and, like, make it.

[A]

All whimsical and, like, people don't know.

[D]

Like, what it means. And it's.

[A]

You like Jackson Pollock. The splattered paint.

[C]

That's, like, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Chaotic. I'm thinking, like, you know, they do, like, ombre. Like, sunsetty, just, like, kind of colors. And then there's, like, a scribble in the corner and, like, Roscoe. I don't know.

[A]

Yes. Yes, that's me. I love art. You guys are so lucky.

[B]

Well, thank you for joining us.

[D]

You're welcome to come anytime. I. I will bring your wife.

[A]

Oh, my God, she would love it. Actually.

[D]

White wine.

[B]

Okay, go take it. Yes, yes, you guys, take it away. Shelby and Sandy, thank you for joining us. Please go follow them. What's. What are your socials, Sam, at Shelby and Sandy on Instagram. Please go check out the art. Or just, like, look at any video from my house. It's probably in every corner. Okay, thanks, guys. That's all the time we have for today's podcast. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Jason, for joining me. Natalie, Shelby, and Sandy, go follow them all their socials, and we will see you guys for the next one.