I Have a Death Row Penpal

Summary

VIEWS with David Dobrik & Jason Nash

Episode: I Have a Death Row Penpal
Date: January 20, 2026

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Overview

In this episode of VIEWS, David Dobrik and Jason Nash are joined by Natalie and a few friends for their usual blend of banter, confessions, and pop culture commentary. The conversation moves from a viral penguin video as a metaphor for inspiration, to the quirks of hugging, empathy, and personal connections. A standout moment is Natalie’s story about her friend who became pen pals with a death row inmate. The group also dives into cultural trends around aging, drugs, nostalgia, memory, and the shifting perceptions of purpose and adulthood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Penguin Video: Individualism and Inspiration (00:00–09:00)

• David shares a viral TikTok of a lone penguin marching away from its flock, interpreting it as a deeply inspiring act of purpose and individualism.
  • David: “It’s doing something for itself. It’s not sticking with the flock. It’s got something it needs to get done and it’s laser locked—genuinely inspiring.” (03:22)
• Natalie takes a pragmatic view, chalking up the penguin’s actions to illness, sparking a mock-serious debate about empathy and projecting meaning onto animals.
• The group teases and discusses what kind of things inspire them, with David revealing how deeply the penguin scene affected him.
• Jason asks, “What else inspires you like that, Dave?” (05:10), leading to personal examples like Marvel movies and “The Pursuit of Happyness.”
• Natalie jokes about being more cold-hearted: “Gosh, nothing, me and my big, cold, hard, dark heart.” (07:42)

2. Empathy, Hugs, and Personal Warmth (12:00–14:50)

• Natalie sets a yearly goal to give more genuine hugs—“not just the welcome to the party, one-arm hug”—especially to close friends and family. (12:06)
• The group reflects on their own awkwardness around intimacy and displays of affection, with humorous recounting of failed or uncomfortable hugs.
• Natalie’s sister’s “robot” personality becomes a running joke.

3. Natalie’s Friend & The Death Row Penpal (15:14–18:29)

• Natalie shares a story about her optimist friend, Lainey, who started writing to a prisoner on death row as an act of goodwill. (15:14)
  • Memorable exchange:
    • Natalie: “She had this penpal on death row for murder... she just drops it at dinner, all casual.” (15:33)
    • David: “Wait, what?!” (15:34)
    • Jason: “Give me a hug!” (15:52)
  • The penpal eventually asked Lainey to stop, feeling like “a fish in a fishbowl” under her curiosity, leading Lainey to end the correspondence out of empathy.
• The group processes this with morbid humor but also genuine curiosity about prison penpals and the ethics of such connections.

4. Culture Shifts: Drugs, Drinking, and Legalization (19:07–22:54)

• Jason shares an LA bathroom story about people openly doing cocaine, reflecting on how normalized it’s become. (19:07)
• The group debates whether cocaine’s use is more prevalent now than in the 1980s and why Gen Z drinks less alcohol, speculating that some may opt for other substances.
• Discussion turns to international drug policy, with David referencing a Colombian president’s suggestion to legalize cocaine to combat cartel violence.
  • David: “The only way to defeat every cartel in the world is to legalize cocaine.” (21:18)
  • Jason: “Why have we legalized weed but not cocaine?” (22:05)

5. Aging, Nostalgia, and “30 is the New 20” (35:32–40:44)

• The group discusses how milestone ages and life paths have shifted, with guest Ryan calling in to argue people now age slower due to healthier lifestyles, delayed families, and wellness trends:
  • Ryan: “30’s the new 20, 40’s the new 30 because people are starting families later and taking care of themselves.” (37:00)
• The crew explores how social norms around age, appearance (e.g., Kris Jenner at 70), and technology (plastic surgery, delayed adulthood) shift perceptions.
• David confesses anxiety about time passing, wanting to “settle down” young but also recognizing he’s “lived things in reverse”—wild fun first, domesticity later. (41:04–44:46)

6. Kids, Adulthood, and the Desire to Settle Down (41:13–45:15)

• Lively debate about whether to have kids, with David expressing confusion at people who don't want them:
  • David: “It sounds so exhausting to not want kids. What do you want to do with your life every day?” (43:09)
  • The group counters with examples like Seth Rogen, who seems content without children.
• Discussion of how social media has awakened people to “living their youth” and how David and Natalie feel they “did life in reverse”—fun first, then the desire for calm and roots. (44:08)

7. Memory, Childhood, and Nostalgia (47:00–52:02)

• David describes his habit of leaving secret mementos (like a fuzzball in a generator or a dime in a crack at school) for his future self as comfort—something he links to a yearning for childhood and simpler times.
  • David: “I can’t believe that I’ll never be able to go back to this time.” (50:45)
• Jason relates with stories about his own children, expressing the universal pain of irretrievable moments: “I feel the same thing, but with my kids. Like, I can’t hold Charlie as a little kid anymore. It’s fucked up.” (51:02)
• David and Jason speculate about one day reliving moments through technology or “unlocking” memories via conversation.

8. Relatable Observations & Humorous asides (31:01–34:38, 33:35–36:29)

• The gang riff about awkward social moments, like befriending a waiter then needing service, and weird Gen Z slang like “chappelganger” (an uglier version of yourself).
• Discussions about Vine’s possible comeback, social quirks, and generational differences round out the conversation.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• David on Inspiration:
  “I haven’t been inspired by something like this in a really long—It’s my phone background... but I had to change it because it was making me sad.” (03:22–03:30)
• Natalie on Hugs:
  “It’s on my 2026 goals—to just give more hugs... like my sister, my fam, my parents.” (12:06)
• Death Row Penpal Revelation:
  • David: “Wait, what?” (15:34)
  • Natalie: “He’s on death row for murder. Which she casually—” (15:33)
• On Legalizing Cocaine:
  David: “The only way to defeat every cartel in the world is to legalize cocaine.” (21:18)
• On Age and Modern Life:
  Ryan (call-in): “Objectively, but also from a biological standpoint, people are aging slower and taking more care of themselves than they were, you know, 20, 30, 40 years ago.” (37:00)
• David’s Nostalgia:
  “I can’t believe that I’ll never be able to go back to this time.” (50:45)
• Jason on Memories:
  “I feel the same thing, but with my kids. Like, I can’t hold Charlie as a little kid anymore. It’s fucked up.” (51:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Penguin Video & Discussion: 00:00–09:00
• Personal Warmth & Hug Goals: 12:00–14:50
• Death Row Penpal Story: 15:14–18:29
• Drug Use & Legalization: 19:07–22:54
• Nostalgia, Memory & Aging: 35:32–40:44, 47:00–52:02
• Kids, Adulthood, and Settling Down: 41:13–45:15

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Tone & Final Thoughts

This episode balances the ridiculous with the reflective—quippy, irreverent humor juxtaposed with moments of genuine introspection about purpose, mortality, and growing older. The standout story about the death row penpal is handled with both empathy and signature sardonic wit. Frequent callbacks, running gags (“sheep,” “robot sister”), and the friend group’s chemistry make the conversation lively for listeners both old and new.

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For listeners:
If you want an episode that veers from penguin philosophy to playful social analysis, with a memorable story about befriending a murderer by mail, this is a quintessential VIEWS experience—equal parts comedy, confession, and cultural commentary.

Transcript

[A]

Views. What's up, guys? Welcome back to View. There is trouble in paradise here at the house. Natalie and I are getting into an argument. Honestly, Jason is too. Now I. Now I'm mad at both of them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's just address it on here.

[B]

I can see it in your eyes. You're on fire. I came in.

[A]

There's moments where Natalie reveals herself as just a sheep.

[C]

A sheep?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Really? A sheep.

[A]

And that is. Obviously, I'm being dramatic for comedic effect. Yeah. But I'm fucking not furious. But I'm disappointed, really, that's all. I don't really get mad. I just get disappointed.

[C]

David showed me a video of a penguin on TikTok walking to the mountains, leaving the flock, like, going, okay, hold.

[A]

On, let me play it for the audience.

[C]

You're going to play the whole thing.

[A]

You're going to hear it. Visualize a penguin walking towards a mountain.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

And this is the audio. Listen, guys.

[D]

But one of them caught our eye, the one in the center. He would neither go towards the feeding grounds at the edge of the ice nor return to the colony. Shortly afterwards, we saw him heading straight towards the mountains, some 70km away. Dr. Ainley explained that even if he caught him and brought him back to the colony, he would immediately head right back for the mountains. But why?

[A]

But why? But why?

[B]

Okay, he's trying to get laid.

[A]

And.

[B]

Okay, he's got a female penguin on his mouth. There's something.

[A]

Obviously one of. One of the top comments is, I saw the full clip. Apparently he lost his mate. He was heartbroken.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Does that better put you in the mood for what this could be? I just think that you're penguin experiencing. First of all, Natalie watched it and what was your response to it?

[C]

The penguin is mentally ill. He's sick and there's something wrong with him.

[A]

Okay. That it's. It's. It's actually disgusting that you, like, go on with your life, like, thinking like this because it's just so uninspired.

[C]

But what he's doing is not inspiring. Like, I wasn't inspired by the act that he was doing. Like, I'm inspired by people that are doing inspiring things. But this penguin. I'm not interpreting the interpretating. Fuck interpreting the penguin that's walking away from the flock, that there's something wrong with it.

[A]

This is arguably more inspiring than a human doing something because this is an act of nature or act of God or just, like something that every creature has in it. And that's, like, it's doing something for Itself. It's like not sticking with the flock. It's not doing what everybody else is doing. It has something it needs to get done and it is laser locked and it's going to achieve it. Whether he is traveling out of depression or whether he's facing his fear or. Or he's going to confront something, or he's going to. Or he's going to find something, recover something, whatever it is, it is him on. It is him on a mission. And it's fucking genuinely. I'm not kidding you. And I posted this on my close friends. I haven't been inspired by something like this in a really long. It's my phone background. I had to change it. I had my phone back out for two days.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But I had to change it because it was actually making me sad because I. I kept thinking about him.

[C]

I think that the people like yourself and like Ilya that are feeling inspired or motivated, whatever the hell, by this video clip. You're going through something and you're interpreting this like with your. You're projecting yourself onto something that's like non existent. Maybe I'm just like, really? Like I'm not in a place where I need to go, like against the grain and have this like individual free thought.

[A]

And like, I don't really honestly ever have that feeling to have to go.

[C]

But you're having it right now because of this penguin.

[A]

Because I'm never like looking around like, how do I go against the grave brain today? Like, that's never my thing.

[B]

Are you looking for, are you looking to lock in on something, though?

[A]

I'm really not. Okay. I mean, I don't. I don't know what I. But just what he. What this, what this animal's feeling is just like, it's like holy. Like it's. It's grand purpose. That's what I think it is, right? Is that this penguin's like.

[B]

So let's say he has a purpose.

[A]

Bigger than what his peers have around him. Whether it's to walk to the mountains till his legs give out and he faints. Whatever it is, it's that he needs to get it done.

[B]

Well, now that you know, he's looking for his mate. Did you look at it differently?

[A]

I think that was like a theory. I don't know if that.

[C]

I also just think I know maybe a little bit more about like animal behavior. And so I'm like, just thinking you're.

[A]

Too smart to watch a video. Then I'm just logical.

[C]

Like, I'm just like, oh, there's There's. The penguin is sick. I'm not like, oh, my God. He's achieving some greater mission in his life. Like, you know, it's.

[A]

It's. It's. It's really sad. That's fine. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna get into. I'm not gonna get into it with you because I already did off pod and I can't get. Can't go back down this rabbit hole.

[C]

You can take back some of the things.

[A]

This penguin hole.

[B]

Yeah. Sheep was. That was a little tough when I.

[A]

Called her a sheep. Yeah, that was on the pod.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

It was worse off the pod.

[B]

Guys. What else inspires you like that? What else inspires you like that? What's something else?

[A]

I mean, obviously, like, Marvel edits. Oh, yeah. I just, like. I like things that are burdened with, like, purpose. I think it's really interesting, like a.

[C]

Marvel at it, like, is inspiring.

[A]

Okay, cool. Maybe because that's how. That's how it needs to be painted for you. A little bit easier. You need to see humans because you. You don't have.

[C]

Don't talk down to me. Don't be condescending.

[A]

I'm not being condescending, Nelly. I just. I genuinely, genuinely don't think you have the same heart that. That I do.

[C]

Oh, my God. This man and his big. I don't have pumping heart.

[A]

I don't. I don't have a big heart. Natalie. When I touch the ground, I feel the empathy of people 3000 square feet away from me.

[C]

Bro, you're fucking ridiculous.

[A]

I can feel Taylor's heart beating in the other living room right now while I'm. While I'm feeling the ground.

[B]

What's she doing?

[A]

What's she doing?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's resting.

[B]

She is?

[A]

Yeah. I can feel her bpm.

[C]

Really good.

[A]

And it's gentle.

[B]

It's incredible.

[A]

I mean.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

What's your neighbor doing?

[A]

My neighbor? Yeah, he's pissed off at me. Too many cars on the street.

[B]

What's my mom doing?

[E]

She's.

[A]

She's further than she's gonna hear right now, but she is thinking about me.

[C]

Oh, she is.

[A]

It's late there, so I'll just let you imagine what she's doing. No, that's. Lorraine. Please. I was kidding.

[B]

What's Wyatt and Charlie doing?

[A]

I know that's something you should figure out. Jay, you should call.

[B]

I really should call them. I really should. You're right.

[A]

No. Okay. I don't know. What's something that gets you going like that? Has there Been anything you've watched?

[B]

Pursuit of Happiness, Will Smith movie. Gets me going every time.

[A]

Because, I mean, because that is you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's really funny. Yeah. You are that guy.

[B]

I am that guy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, like, when he's, like, trying to get the job and he's taking care of his son and he's changing in the phone booth, he's just trying so hard.

[A]

Yeah. When they sleep in the bathroom. Oh. I think that's like a really big.

[B]

Moment when you sleep in the bathroom. Oh, my God. And you.

[C]

I can't believe that's.

[B]

That's Jaden.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Acting his ass off as, like, a little kid.

[A]

That is Jaden.

[B]

Yeah. I remember seeing that being, like, damn.

[A]

Well, I never get good. I never even think about that.

[B]

But then he doesn't really act much, does he?

[A]

Yeah, not lately. It's weird. He has some fucking incredible roles as a kid. He's really good. And he helped give my teacher $10,000.

[B]

Oh, yes, he did. In the back of a.

[A]

What do you call, a rickshaw, Was it? Yeah, I was in Chicago. You're at a club.

[B]

What gets you going, Nat?

[C]

Gosh, nothing. Me and my big, cold, hard, dark heart.

[A]

Good.

[C]

Yep. That's it.

[E]

No. No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Who's got a bigger heart out of the two of you?

[C]

It's different. Our hearts are different. David just thinks that he feels more.

[A]

I don't know why you say this. I don't know why you, like, why you chalk up my, like, yearning for. For warmth.

[C]

Because. Because you don't share that warmth with me. So, like, I don't. I don't have that experience with you, so. Therefore, X doesn't happen, doesn't exist.

[A]

I don't share it with you as much as I would with others because I think you're part of this. Like, I think you're here.

[C]

I'm so happy. Happy New Year, everybody. I'm so glad, you guys.

[A]

I think you're part of this. I think you're part of this mission to share with other people.

[C]

Like, I'm the darkness in the world and everyone. I need to let everyone.

[A]

I think when we were making the videos and, like, it was, like, very hard. I feel like a lot of people that, like, make fun stuff are troubled, like, a lot of times. Right. But I think it's. I think it's that person's job to, like, bring joy to others.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I just think it's our job to bring joy to others. Like, I think that is our purpose. It's like can we make other people laugh or smile? I never think about it like this, but I think that that's what it is. So I think if I'm, like, really analyzing why I'm not like, I love you, Natalie, it's because, like, I'm trying to create something that's. That's with you guys for other people. I don't know.

[B]

I see what you mean.

[A]

Like, it's. It's.

[B]

You're creating.

[C]

This is less important because the greater purpose is more important.

[A]

I think so. And I think you guys should know that I, like, appreciate you guys, but, like, really. But, like.

[B]

That's really nice.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I didn't know.

[C]

So thoughtful, so empathetic of you.

[E]

Yeah, see, there you go.

[B]

You could do both. You know, you could say you could do it for the fans and for us. It'd be really easy. It's like seven or eight people. That is funny. I was watching a show over the weekend and that the two bro characters, the two male characters in it, they say, I love you, man. Every time they get off the phone, they'll be like, I love you. I love you too. And then I thought, oh, man. Dave would never say I love you to me.

[A]

I love you.

[B]

Would you ever say that? Do you have any friends? You ever say to John and Alex, I love you?

[A]

I only say to someone that it'll make feel uncomfortable. Like, I'll say to John because, like, I know he'd never say it back.

[B]

What if you.

[A]

I wouldn't say to Ilya because they would be like, what the fuck are you saying? But John would be, like, genuinely stumped by, like, how nervous he would be when I would say that.

[B]

Okay, what if you gave somebody, like, a nice gift? Would you say after, like, I love you, man.

[A]

Not if they're like, like, if they're just like, my friend. Yeah, I don't know. I don't. For some reason, I can't, like, yeah.

[B]

You can't do it.

[A]

I can't. I don't know. I love my friends to death. I can talk about, like, in, like, the third person.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

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[E]

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[A]

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[B]

How many cars have you got, Seatgeek?

[A]

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[C]

Well, it's on my 2026, like, goals list, whatever for this year. To just give more hugs.

[A]

Yeah, I never, like, like unwarranted, unsolicited.

[C]

I'm not saying like, I'm not saying like a welcome to the party. You walk in, you like give your, like a one arm hug. I'm saying like the people that I love in my life to like, give hugs. Like my sister, my fan, my parents.

[A]

Your sister's a robot, by the way.

[B]

How's that going?

[A]

You know our last podcast ever called her a robot. Yeah, she sent us a video of her listening it to it in the car.

[B]

Yeah, she did.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I said, we just do it every pod. She. She. She texted it to us. She's like, I keep catching strays. So let's make it a reoccurring segment where we mentioned at least least once that at least this reservoir.

[C]

Now I have this.

[B]

Have you implemented it? You've been giving hugs?

[C]

I'm trying.

[B]

Have you given David a hug?

[C]

I think I tried to give him a hug in Australia, but he was really uncomfortable.

[A]

What?

[C]

When I was like, I'm gonna hug you, and you're like, no.

[A]

Why would you do that to me?

[C]

I don't know.

[E]

I don't know what was like the.

[C]

Moment I think we were, like, at a restaurant or something. I don't know. I'm trying to think.

[B]

I'm pretty sure I hugged you when you gave me a car. I think I forced it.

[C]

Yeah, but that's, like, not what I'm talking about.

[B]

I, like, forced hugged it. Come here.

[C]

I'm not talking about, like, celebratory moments where you're.

[A]

Yeah. I'd hug Natalie if she got me a car.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, you would.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Right? That's the least I can do, Ben.

[E]

If you want to implement.

[A]

More hugs, Natalie.

[C]

Love more guys. A GTR Now, I was on this bachelorette trip this weekend in Cabo, and I was with a bunch of girls that I just. From, like, my whole life that I have not seen in a really long time. Like, from, like, it feels like another life where I was with these girls, like, my camp childhood friends. And one of my friends, her name's Lainey. Dave is like, the only name from my camp friends that David remembers.

[A]

Or Lainey's the only name that I remember.

[C]

Yeah, sorry. Lainey is the only name that he remembers. And her, like, outlook on life still to this day. She was like this when we were a kid. But now seeing her again, I haven't seen her in years.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She is, like, the most optimistic. Constantly just exuding positivity person. And like, in. In like a great. Not in a way that's overwhelming, but in a way that's, like, actually, like, warm and welcoming. Like, her energy is just like. I've never experienced another human like that.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

And like, me. Yeah. You're so warm.

[A]

You fucking sheep. You fucking sheep. Fucking idiot.

[B]

It's a penguin.

[A]

Did you get it?

[C]

But it was funny. Like, she kept giving me hugs. I'm not a hugger. Like, I'm not like, a hug. I'm not like, you just simply be hugs for 2020. But this is why.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And so, like, she kept giving me hugs all weekend. She was like, we just can't stop hugging each other. And I was like, we.

[A]

I don't think I hugged you once. Damn. Lainey. Listening to this is all sad. I totally. Lainey, if you need cheering up, watch the penguin video.

[C]

But it's so funny. And she was sharing this story, which I thought was funny to share with you guys. This is, like, the epitome of who this woman is. She was saying that she really wanted to, like, volunteer and donate. Donate her. She doesn't have, like, a lot of money, so she's like, I have to donate My time. Like, I have to do a good deed to, like, balance out whatever.

[A]

Coke addiction.

[E]

What do you mean?

[C]

No, I don't know. Just like. I don't know.

[B]

But.

[C]

But. So she decided that she wanted to get a death row pen pal.

[A]

What? Yeah.

[C]

And so she had this pen pal. She, like, you know, found some sort of program. And she had this pen pal in prison. He's on death row for. For murder. Which she casually.

[A]

Wait, what?

[C]

This is the great. We were in the middle of, like, this, like, big, nice dinner in Cabo, and she's like, yeah, I have this pen pal. He was in prison or he is in prison. And then she's, like, telling the story, and we're like, what is he in prison for? Like, spit it out. And she was like, oh, murder.

[B]

We're like, what?

[C]

Lainey.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Give me a hug.

[A]

Give me a hug.

[C]

It was so funny anyways, but she.

[A]

Murder. It was so funny.

[B]

So good.

[C]

Her delivery was amazing.

[B]

What kind of murder?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't want to know. I think it'll ruin the story.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[C]

She didn't know either. The pen pal session didn't last very long because she.

[B]

They killed him?

[C]

No, no, no, no. No, they didn't. But he wrote back to her being.

[A]

Like.

[C]

He didn't, like, the whole interaction or whatever, because he just felt like he was like, I guess, like a fish in a fishbowl sort of situation. Like, she was so curious about what life was like and about him. And he was like, you know, want to talk about that? Like, he wants to, like, escape this prison, right? Like, he wants to, like, just know about the world and things, I guess. But it was just so interesting. And it was so, like.

[A]

So he was like, don't email me again. Or he was like. Or he's like, if we. Is it email or, like, physical letters?

[C]

I think it's physical letters.

[A]

What the fuck? So, but she.

[C]

She also just.

[A]

And he's on death row.

[C]

He's on death row.

[A]

Where? What state?

[C]

Utah, I think.

[B]

I wonder what that's like, telling somebody about your life when their life is.

[C]

On the inside, you know, it's so interesting. Like, I just. Like, I can't.

[B]

Yeah, I posted this week, and I got a brand deal for Instagram. It's been good, I guess. I mean, I wish the views were.

[A]

Higher, but My friend Natalie in Cabo. So many margaritas and too many hugs. Like, okay.

[C]

I don't know. Yeah, it's just really interesting. I've never heard of some I've never obviously known anybody that had a prison. Ben.

[B]

Val.

[A]

Okay, so it stopped.

[C]

Yeah. So she. Well, she just felt really bad because then she started, like, she is, like the most empathetic person that I know. So she was. She felt so bad that he felt bad that she was like, oh, I can't write him again. Like, he. He hates me. Like, he doesn't like what I'm doing. Like, I was trying to bring him joy and happiness, and I wasn't bringing that to him. So she's like, I got to stop. So I don't know, I think she might have a new pen pal or.

[A]

Something, but, I mean, that feels like she should have kind of stuck with the guy. Like, that's kind of like, hey, man, I don't want to talk about prison. Can we talk about something else? She goes, nope, sorry.

[C]

Oh, man.

[A]

But I feel like she should write him again. Be like, what are your interests?

[C]

Yeah, maybe she will.

[A]

I feel like. No, like, isn't that like, he's like, the fact that he wrote back means he wants to conversate.

[C]

No, I think that there was more to the letter. I think she was, like, withholding some information. I don't think he wanted to write. I don't think he wanted to continue the.

[A]

He's like, I'm gonna find you when I'm out of here.

[C]

She was scared.

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[B]

I went and used the bathroom yesterday. I was in Pasadena, so I went to. I went to like, a sports bar to use the bathroom. So I go in the bathroom and there's two guys in the. The one stall doing cocaine.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. Wow.

[B]

And like, I just hear two guys in a stall. It's a really active bathroom. It's like four o', clock, whatever. And you can just hear him, like, doing tons of cocaine. And so I'm like, okay, whatever, whatever. Then. Then a guy comes in with like, like 25 year olds to take their kids to go peeing. And the guy walks in and he. He comes in and he goes, man, manly, manly man, man. And then the guys are doing coke, and then the dad is going over to the stall, to the stall, going, men let men men Lee men lee man.

[A]

Just to cover the sound of coke.

[B]

No, he's just singing that song.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

And then you hear from the other side of the bathroom, the guy goes, hey, Charlie street occupied.

[E]

That's funny.

[F]

Like that.

[A]

That's funny.

[B]

And it was like. I was like, damn.

[E]

But I guess that's what it. That's what it is now, is it?

[C]

Right.

[A]

I think cocaine is one of those things that, like, you grow up and you're like, you see it everywhere. Right? Like, I see a lot of memes like that too. It's like you don't realize, like.

[C]

I think it's like LA too. It's very much like.

[A]

I don't think so.

[C]

Really?

[A]

I don't think it's la. I think this is one of those things that actually is like.

[B]

Do you think people do more cocaine now than in the 80s or less? More, you think?

[C]

Probably more.

[B]

You think so. That was really prevalent in the 80s.

[C]

Yeah. But I think it's just as available.

[A]

J. I think it's. Cocaine's been like, glorified to like, crazy, like in like, movies and stuff right now on the podcast.

[B]

But you know that Gen Z is not drinking alcohol. They've lost like, billions of dollars.

[C]

Seen that.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'll go on.

[B]

And maybe they're doing cocaine and marijuana.

[A]

I have met people. This is real. That only do blow.

[B]

Really?

[A]

No alcohol when they go out. They're only doing coke. Wow. I think it's really, really bizarre. Did you see the Colombian president the other day?

[B]

No.

[A]

Well, whoever the leading official is in Colombia, I think it's. President was. Was talking about how we should.

[C]

We should legalize.

[A]

Yeah, you should legalize cocaine because.

[E]

Because it's.

[A]

Interesting point. It's like the only way to defeat every cartel in the entire world is to legalize cocaine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, is that not like. That's pretty on point. I get that he's like, Colombian and that there's like a stigma with Colombian cocaine.

[B]

And he's got a lot of good cocaine there.

[A]

And he's got a lot of good cocaine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he talks like the mortality rate in Colombia isn't as bad from cocaine. Nearly as bad as the United States, because in the US they're like, cutting it up with fentanyl. It's incredibly dangerous. And in Colombia they don't have the same, like the same policies on it as they do here. Like, it's not like you don't go.

[B]

To jail as hard for.

[G]

I don't, I don't know.

[A]

I don't know if that's it or I don't know. I don't know what it is. But people aren't cutting it up with fentanyl there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know for what reason why it's pure there. But he's saying it's. That's why it makes it safer there. Wow.

[B]

They should legalize it. But I wonder why they've legalized weed but not cocaine.

[A]

Well, I also think, like, I know that sounds like the most. It's the most insane take to legalize cocaine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But also like, alcohol is incredibly dangerous.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like it's like just available. Do you know what I mean? Like, how many alcohol related deaths are there a year? Millions.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So like, I don't know. I don't want. This is like a pretty strong, strong stance.

[C]

No, it's like.

[A]

But it's like as crazy as it sounds, it does sound like there is some argument to be made there. Like there is a safer way.

[B]

I think, I think, you know, 20 beers is not going to kill you, but 20 lines could. I think that might be part of it. Like people can't control, like the alcohol is over time.

[A]

Yo, I said that we put out a 30 minute podcast. Is that true?

[B]

Yeah, it's like 37.

[A]

Oh, 37.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I got a couple DMS.

[B]

They were like, you're already gone. And then they were heated with me.

[A]

They're like, are you fucking kidding me? 30 minute podcast. I didn't even want to message you guys because I was like, they probably don't want me to see this.

[B]

I mean, you were already gone.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I was like, all right. I told Nat. I was like, I don't know what to do. And then.

[A]

Oh, you guys talked about it.

[C]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Oh, and you were like, don't tell David.

[B]

No, I knew.

[C]

Why would we tell you? There was only we could do.

[B]

I knew you'd get dms, but I was like, I didn't know what else to do.

[C]

It's more important for the episode to go up. At least you guys got an episode, you know?

[A]

Okay, see, that's not. That is.

[C]

We're not firing the people.

[A]

That's cold hearted.

[C]

It's logical.

[B]

They got something.

[A]

You're very.

[B]

I tried, I tried to find like six More minutes. I was looking through stuff.

[A]

I don't like when you do that.

[B]

Well, I didn't.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay. Because Jay will say. Jay. Jay will like, we'll, like, record a pod. And then he'll be like, it's fine. I had five, six minutes for March. And I'll be like, what? Jay would like when he's cutting up pods. And like, sometimes we'll go over and it'll be like an hour. And maybe like a moment won't feel right in the pod. So he'll, like, put it to the side, he'll like, save it, and then he'll stick it in another pod and I'll be like, what? I don't know.

[B]

It's pretty evergreen, though, when I do it.

[A]

No, I believe you.

[B]

I actually haven't done it ever. I don't think I've ever done it once.

[A]

Really.

[B]

I've messed it up and put something in that was already out, but I don't think I've.

[A]

Like, last podcast, someone DM me that you, like, loop the outro twice. That we said goodbye twice.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. I get a lot of DMS about you messing up the pot. And I know it's just people.

[B]

I get messages on my vlog now about it too. You messed up the pod. You messed up.

[A]

That's really.

[B]

Yeah, Dead ass.

[A]

That's really now. Yeah. Now they're saying dead ass too. And some have live.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So now I don't.

[B]

That's not cool.

[A]

Yeah, that's like. If you're a true listener. You. You're confusing me like crazy.

[B]

How was your weekend?

[A]

It was good. I'm happy to be back.

[B]

Yeah, you are?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, full time, full time Los Angeles now.

[C]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

I'm back to being an LA boy.

[C]

I wanted to talk to you about that, actually.

[A]

What?

[C]

We can't travel anymore.

[A]

Why?

[C]

We have to cut it off.

[B]

Really?

[C]

It's too much.

[B]

Wow. Coming from Natalie, of all people.

[C]

I'm not saying I don't want to ever travel again because you say that you feel like you take that to the extreme. But just like the past month of traveling, the amount of sickness, illnesses that I had in the past four weeks is, like, not good.

[A]

Can I tell you, I haven't been sick once.

[B]

That's great.

[C]

Oh, my God. I've, like, been to the hospital like three times.

[A]

Are you taking? Are you taking? I've been. I've been taking iron. I'm not even deficient. I've just been taking it. Iron.

[C]

Vitamin C. I take a lot of.

[A]

Vitamin C and like, calcium pills, and I take them every day. I take three pills every day. And ever since I've been doing that, my body's been like, crushing.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what I. I don't know.

[C]

I need to do that. I need to go get, like, tested and figure out what. I'm like, deficient.

[A]

But I'm not deficient in it. I just. I just went into Erewhon and I was like, makes me be healthy. And they were like, take these three. And I was like, okay, fuck it. And then I've been taking. And there's. There's days where I'll go like two days without taking it and I'll feel myself slipping and then I'll take it again and I'm like, back to being standard. It's really, really interesting.

[C]

So, yeah, I should. I should.

[A]

I honestly think it's a placebo effect of popping pills in your mouth like, that are like vitamins that, like, make me feel like, oh, I'm being really good about this.

[B]

You guys went too many places in too little time.

[C]

So many places.

[E]

Four continents in 20 days. I was doing the math. Four or five?

[C]

Four continents.

[E]

Four continents. I went to Europe, Asia, Australia, and, well, LA. Cause I came back to LA for two days.

[B]

I love you said no more travel, but you went to Mexico this weekend.

[C]

Well, I had no choice.

[E]

She really didn't want to go. She hates that friend. She's like, I fucking hate her.

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

I had no choice. We're just kidding, Sammy.

[B]

We love you, girl.

[A]

I just don't get pointless trips anymore. Like, I'm not the guy that's going to leave to go get son somewhere. Like, I don't care. I have the sun here.

[B]

Yeah, right. What?

[A]

I'm being scared you're gonna get called.

[B]

For something, like, tomorrow.

[C]

Yeah, but like, a job is different.

[A]

I'll leave for work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like, I'm not gonna leave, like, because someone's like, come party with me in Ibiza.

[B]

Right?

[A]

That's just like, can't do it. I'm fucking 30 years old. Like, I'm not doing that.

[C]

Yeah, I might, but like.

[A]

No, I know you will. You bounce back from these, like, these little talks quickly.

[C]

I just love life. Like, I just love. I love my life and I have so much fun.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Why are you looking at me like you don't believe yourself?

[C]

You don't believe me or you're questioning me?

[A]

I guess that's true. Are you Gonna go out now that we're back here in la.

[C]

I'm thinking about it.

[A]

Wait, really?

[C]

Well, I do have some dinners that I have to go to.

[A]

And like, where are you going tomorrow?

[C]

That's like, at our friend's house. He's getting a bunch of like business entrepreneur people together. Ryan. Pickleball Ryan.

[A]

What? He's getting people together for a business?

[C]

Like hosting a 20 person dinner at his house? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God, that's so. Ryan. Do you know, Ryan, I burnt my. I burnt my. My face with sunglasses. I burnt my face in, in Australia really bad. I'm still burnt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like peeing my stomach from. From the 27th. Yeah. Pickleball Ryan. And he let me borrow his shades.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

He had like these rose colored, nice glasses.

[E]

Let me borrow these shades that he.

[A]

Like, really, really likes. He was like, I'm gonna let you keep them. And I was like, no, Ryan, I can't, I can't, I can't. And then like the next day it was very obvious he wasn't letting me keep them. And then he like slowly started asking me when he can have him back. But I still had like burns around my face. I was like, I'm just gonna keep wearing them for a little. And then he check in with me every three days. And like, I was in Dubai and then Alex, and then Alex.

[C]

No way.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And Alex texted me. He's like, yo, Ryan's asking me if you left his sunglasses here anywhere or, or after Dubai, I went to Madrid and I still had him in my backpack. I was like, no, I still have in my backpack. But it's really funny. I've never seen anybody, like, especially him who's like, you know, yeah, multi millionaire. I've never seen him. Not that it's like, not that you should lose anybody's stuff ever, right? But he was so. He's so attached to these sunglasses. I thought it was so funny. And he wants them back so bad. I'm really excited to give him to him.

[B]

But you got him.

[A]

I still have him. Yeah. I didn't lose him because damaged I could. No, not damaged. I could tell how much he cared about him. So I was like, I gotta. And normally if you lend me anything, anything, it's gone. Like, Natalie's sister gave me her portable charger. And in my head, when you give me a portable charger, it's a temporary charger. Like, it will disappear. Like once the battery's out. I'm leaving it because I don't want it in my pocket. I know.

[C]

It so stupid.

[A]

So dumb.

[B]

I know that I've given you stuff before and I've handed it to you. I'm like, I know. I'm not. I'm never getting this bag.

[A]

She text the next day. She's like, do you have my portable charger? And this is. This is the one thing that I'm very.

[E]

What is it about?

[B]

Flip it Lax.

[A]

No, like, when you're, like, privileged.

[C]

Like, first world problem.

[A]

Very first not. It's. That's not first world problem. It's like, I'm just like. Like an asshole about it.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

Like, prissy. I don't know what it is, but, like, I'm totally an asshole for not keeping the charger. I did in this case again. But I laughed at the fact that she was asking for it, but. Cause for some reason we have the stations here also from Ryan.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where there's, you know, there's 100 portable chargers laying around the house constantly. I think we've gone through about 800 chargers. People just steal them, right? People take the charger. They take it from the machine that we have here at home, and they take it home. So, like, I have now been programmed when a portable charger is with me. Like, I don't return it either. Like, I'm stealing it for myself, too. I'll leave it at, like, a random restaurant on accident. I won't even think about it.

[C]

We should just have that set up, like, a regular charging station where it charges you.

[A]

We're not gonna charge our friends, Natalie, to take our charge.

[C]

Sorry. If you don't return it.

[A]

Yeah, but that's, like, kind of fucked up.

[C]

No, it's not. It's kind of fucked up that they're stealing our shit and they're losing it.

[A]

Yeah, but you're gonna have your. You're gonna have our friends come and enter their credit card information into our house.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Just so they could borrow a charger. No, no, no.

[B]

Hey, have you ever been. Have you ever been eating somewhere and then you start to, like, talk to the waiter? And the waiter, like, starts to talk to you and, like, tells you about your life, and then you're like.

[A]

Tells you about their life?

[B]

Yeah, you're kind of connecting with the waiter, and it's a good conversation. But then you want more drink. Like, you want, like, a refill.

[A]

Oh, I hate that. That is weird. Yeah, you're right.

[B]

You cross the line of French now. You can't be like, hey, you had a great story. Can I get some more? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's like. Yeah. Like, now you have to, like. Yeah, you. Cause now you're friends. Yeah. But now you're like, now he's like, your servant. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That literally has happened to me multiple times, and it's really weird. Ye.

[B]

Oh, that's happened to me yesterday.

[A]

Oh, Jay. That's, like, one of those relatable thoughts. That's very, very cool and rare.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Good job. I love when people come up with stuff like that.

[B]

Yeah, that's fine.

[A]

I just saw a girl post a TikTok the other day. It was literally yesterday. And it was European people, when they visit America, and it's. She takes the cap off the water bottle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And since it detaches, she, like, takes a sip of the water, but with her other hand puts the cap up to her nose just to, like, recreate the feeling of European water bottles not detaching with the caps. And I thought it was really funny to see that. That's very good to see that joke.

[E]

From the other end.

[A]

And I got so mad, I was like, these are the exact kind of jokes that, like, made vine so popular. Yeah. Like, and that's, like, a very clever twist on an original thought.

[E]

That's where my brain's been heading. And, Jay, you just knocked it out of the park.

[A]

Your Jeep.

[E]

This is why you were big on Vine.

[B]

Yeah, I'm ready. When's vine coming back? I thought it was coming back.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know.

[E]

Someone brought it up to me in Dubai. Yeah, that. It is coming.

[A]

It's.

[E]

So apparently the guy that started it. I don't know if this is a confidential, but, like, he started it, and he thought he. He was going to do it, like, more leisurely. Like, he's just like, I'm gonna bring back Vine. But, like, the first, like, day, he got over 100,000 signups.

[A]

So he had.

[E]

So he couldn't just, like, relaunch it. Now he has to go back and he has, like, make it ready for, like, the influx of people that are about to download this thing. Oh, he was just gonna do it more casually.

[B]

He thought it was just gonna be a fun little thing.

[A]

Side project.

[E]

Yeah, Like a little, like.

[B]

Like. Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Like, niche thing.

[B]

Have you heard of Chapel Ganger?

[E]

Chopper Gang.

[B]

Chapel Ganger.

[E]

No. What's that?

[B]

It's like a Gen Z term.

[A]

Wait, can I. Can I do it?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. What's Chapel Ganger?

[E]

It's like an uglier version of you.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

Oh, that makes sense.

[E]

That's really funny.

[A]

Why?

[E]

Who's your chapel chopper? Are you the chopper ganger?

[B]

I'm Simon's chapel ganger of Alan DeGeneres. Yeah.

[E]

I'm like young Dylan O' Brien's chapel ganger. Ganger.

[C]

Who am I? Who, me?

[B]

Oh, Dylan o' Brien's chapel ganger.

[E]

Chapel ganger. That's a really funny term.

[B]

Who's Natalie? Who's yours?

[E]

You actually don't look like anybody. It's kind of interesting.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Maria Menounos.

[E]

Maria Menounos, the one that had. The one that does the thing before the AMC movies. Hi, it's.

[C]

That's Nicole Kidman.

[A]

Oh, she.

[B]

No, she does do.

[A]

It's Maria Menounos. This is Minute by Minute?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

[E]

Yeah, that's her, right?

[C]

Yeah, she's this talk.

[E]

I almost did her pod. I did do her pod.

[A]

She was sick.

[E]

And then I think her husband interviewed me.

[C]

Maybe.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

I think that's what it was over in Encino.

[E]

I did it on Zoom.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

Remember those Zoom times during COVID Yeah, yeah, I remember.

[B]

Covid was wild.

[E]

Yeah. Like, I didn't. I was like. I was on. I was like. Was on my. On my YouTube and just, like, looking at things I've done and I didn't know I did the Fallon show two more times.

[C]

What do you mean?

[E]

Because they were just running low on guests during COVID I zoomed in with Fallon twice.

[B]

Did you really? Yeah.

[C]

You did once.

[E]

And then with Kelly Clarkson, I zoomed in.

[B]

Oh, that I remember.

[A]

But also did it.

[C]

He was on it. Yeah. I don't remember the zoom.

[B]

I remember zooming too. I remember you doing Kelly Clarkson a couple times. And then when you did Fallon on Zoom, was he, like, in his house?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or whatever.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a weird time.

[A]

Right?

[B]

But so amazing, so crazy. And then when people. When people talk about it, I. I do this thing in my head where I'm like. I don't like to think about it.

[E]

No, it's really strange.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And time is really strange.

[B]

Did you think that we were all gonna die at one point?

[C]

No, I didn't think we're gonna die.

[B]

I did.

[C]

Well, that adds up.

[E]

Well, Jay, you probably think that, like, now. But what was. Was interesting Ilya brought up the other day. Ilya was saying how. How the kids now that are doing their orientation in high school, so they're just leaving the eighth grade to high school. They're doing their orientation. They're the class of 2030.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Like how fucking ridiculous that is. And Then someone replied to him saying, what's even crazier is when you did.

[B]

When we.

[E]

When I did my high school orientation, those kids weren't even alive yet. Like, that's how. That's how fucking old I'm getting. And anybody that was in 21 or 25. Anybody that was 25 in 2001.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Is 50 now. Like, that's fucking. That hurts my head. 25 year olds in 2001 are 50 years old now, dude. Time's been freaking me out more than anything. I don't know if. Cause I'm turning 30.

[B]

Yeah. Oh. Oh.

[A]

Ryan had this incredible take. We keep mentioning Ryan. Let me call him. Ryan was talking about how so. Because I've been hearing a lot about this, that 30 is the new. That 30 is the new 20. Have you been hearing this?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I know, I know. And I was like, are people just saying it or is it like.

[C]

Well, I just think It's. Cause we're 30.

[A]

That's what I said. Ryan, you're on the pod real quick. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay. I have your sunglasses. Don't worry.

[B]

Okay, thanks.

[H]

I was worried about them.

[A]

I know you were. Okay. Me and you were talking in the car about how 20's the new 30. And I was like telling you, I was like, is that just because we're like, I'm 30? So now all of us are saying that, but you had, like an interesting take on it. What'd you say?

[H]

My take was that 30s, the new 20, and 40 is the new 30 because of all these things that people are doing in the last 10 years that we weren't doing 40, 50 years ago in terms of longevity, diet, sleep optimization, like all these little things that. Some of which are health and wellness fads, some of them are really here to stay. I think also people are later on in their journeys where they're starting families later. And so objectively, but also from like a biological standpoint, I feel like people are aging slower and taking more care of themselves than they were, you know, 20, 30, 40 years ago.

[A]

Okay, Yeah, I agree with you.

[H]

Like, think about. Think about it in like, so I.

[B]

Don'T have to grow up, Ryan, in any way.

[A]

So Jason's asking. He's good. He doesn't have to grow up.

[B]

No, I'm saying I'm being you so I can continue to live with my high school friends in this mansion. Ryan, that's.

[H]

Listen, that's exactly, exactly what I'm saying here. And you know, it's healthy for you, but at the end of the day, think about it. Thirty years ago, people had two kids by the time they were 22, 23 years old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that's like a shared. Like. Like, I think even when I talk to adults who are, like, so out of it, like, are 60 now will be like, I had kids young, but that's not what you do now. Like, even. Even adults unders. Like, even adults understand that times have changed.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So. Except it's.

[H]

It's rare. It's rare for people to have kids now as young as they were back then. You're right. Times have changed 100%.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

All right.

[A]

Thanks, Ryan. Thank you for being our expert on age.

[B]

Have you seen the guy on TikTok who's 60 and says he's going to live to 200?

[A]

Yeah, the Brian guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, not Brian is another guy that looks. Who's much older than Brian. He's six. He's actually 60.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Let's not leave what Ryan said. Do you. Do you understand this?

[B]

Yeah, of course. It makes total sense.

[A]

I think it's really interesting.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, that, that, that also, that phrase has been around for years. 40 is the new.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

Like, that kind of turn of phrase. But that reasoning is.

[E]

Is.

[B]

Is new.

[A]

Right? That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah. That reasoning is great. But I believe it. I know.

[A]

When you were turning 30.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was everybody saying 30 is the new 20?

[B]

Yeah, they were saying it, but for a different reason.

[A]

Why were they saying they were just, like, trying to get themselves.

[B]

Yeah, they were just trying to be like, 30 is the new 20. Like, like, we're young. We're young. Like, yeah. Like, I think my generation, too. Like, a lot of people had kids later. My parents had. Had me when I was. Had my sister when they were 21.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They had me when.

[A]

I genuinely do think, oh, I think that the stigma has changed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And 30 is actually the new 20, and I can play Call of Duty and. Yeah.

[C]

And, well, I think, too, like, I just going back to high school. Just to, like, double down. Because I also feel like with the Internet and the way that, like, plastic surgery and things have changed the way people can, like, look when they're older. Like, I feel like your perception of age is just completely different.

[A]

I mean.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I think Kris Jenner is also like.

[C]

Oh, my gosh, the Kardashians have literally.

[A]

Changed, sucking us every time. That woman looks like she's 25.

[B]

It's crazy.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

She's what, 70?

[C]

70 used to that, dude, if you're.

[A]

70, it'd be like, how is that person walking?

[C]

No, like, you need to be in a wheelchair.

[B]

No, it used to be when someone was 70 and they got plastic surgery, it would be like a butch butchered job. Like, you'd be like, oh, my God, their face looks. But now it. The surgery is so good. You're just like, you can't even.

[C]

You can't even now it's just like, oh, you. You have to.

[A]

Could you imagine when we're 70, it's going to be like, oh, that's a 25 year old.

[B]

You're gonna look exactly the same as.

[A]

You look now, dude.

[B]

You might get grace.

[C]

I fucking hope so.

[A]

That'd be sick.

[B]

You will.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It's pretty awesome.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So as much as I am frightened by time, I have as much as you what? As much as I'm frightened by time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's been really freaking me out. Yeah.

[B]

Why, why, why does time frighten you? You have so. You have your whole life ahead of you. You're like, all the good things are like you haven't even done them yet.

[A]

I really, really appreciate that. But I have been.

[B]

I love you, Jason.

[A]

I have been very much in the rush to like. Like, I have to settle down. But what do you say to that? To settling down?

[B]

No, no, no, you're gonna live to like.

[C]

I don't understand why you feel that pressure, like, at all.

[A]

Because I'm so young.

[C]

Yeah. And just like one, you're young and.

[A]

Two, like, I want to be a young dad. That, that's.

[B]

Oh, that's.

[A]

That's like, well, that.

[B]

Well, that you've got to work, you've got to go get someone pregnant. Yeah. And then like, you want to be. Why do you want to be a young dad?

[A]

What's that?

[B]

Why is that important?

[A]

Because I just think it's cool to be young with your kids. Like, I think it's like, I want to. Like, that is cool. Easier to relate to me and like, just like I want to be active with my kids, but that's a 50 year old.

[B]

David is going to be even way more active than and way more youthful than a regular person anyway.

[E]

Really?

[C]

Yeah, I think it's like, I mean, not to yuck anybody's young, but yum. But like having a children say yuck yuck someone's yum like having kids. Right. Like, I just cannot imagine. All of my friends are popping out babies left and right and I cannot imagine. And I feel like I am an incredibly mature and responsible, like, adult. But I could not imagine, granted, they have partners, right? They have husbands or whatever. Like, I could not imagine taking care of a child. Like, I just don't even understand how.

[B]

It's easier than you think.

[C]

But it's also, like, not.

[A]

I'm confused. I get so. Like, on TikTok, I feel like I really love things in TikTok, but on TikTok, I see, like, I'll see people. I'll see a video of someone with a kid, and it'll be hot and cold, and it will never be down the middle, but it'll. Sometimes the comment section will be like, okay, I'm gonna have one now. And then other times, a lot of times the comment section will be like, I'm so sorry, but, like, sure. I cannot believe you did this to yourself. Like, I cannot believe you have a kid at 25.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, like, it's kind of. It's kind of crazy. Like. Like how hot or cold people are about kids. Some people. What blows my mind. Some people don't want kids.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't understand that at all.

[B]

I do.

[A]

That sounds so exhausting to me.

[B]

Really?

[A]

It sounds so exhausting to not want kids. Like, what do you want to do.

[E]

With your life every day?

[A]

You just want to fucking.

[C]

Just live it.

[A]

You want to be in Saint Tropez and, like. Like, I don't want to do that. I want to be at home, and I want to be.

[E]

I want to be in a small.

[A]

Town with my kid, raising that kid.

[B]

I mean, I think about somebody like Seth Rogen.

[A]

I don't want to go to fucking Vegas F1, Jay. I don't want to go every year.

[B]

You don't have to. I don't.

[C]

You're probably still gonna go every year, even with your children.

[A]

I just, like. I don't know. I've had enough. I've had enough of doing activities, and it's because I'm so lucky that I got to do to the activities. I realize it, but.

[B]

But please, I got bad news for you.

[A]

What?

[B]

30 is the new 20.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Yeah. You got another 10 years of this. Damn.

[E]

Another 10 years of Vegas F1.

[A]

I don't know, but I look at.

[B]

Somebody like Seth Rogen, I'm like, he doesn't have kids. And he. He probably just loves his life. He's like. He's, like, into weed. He, like, I think, has a pot business.

[E]

I think I did my life also in reverse.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Where I did all the fun things really early when People were in school.

[B]

I was gonna say that, too. Yeah.

[E]

Like, people were in school. And. And I think it wasn't till recently where people are, like, now people have, like, money.

[C]

They're starting to be a little more.

[E]

Not even that, but, like, now people, I feel like, because of social media are more, like, awakened.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But.

[E]

And they're like, I have to go live my youth. And, like, where.

[A]

I feel like I did that full blast, 100, 1,000.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I. I very much live things in reverse. And I think that's why I have such trouble, like, meeting people, too, because I'm. Because a lot of people that I meet that are, like, 25, whatever, they.

[B]

Haven'T seen the world.

[A]

Not that I have. Not that I'm fucking Christopher Columbus over here. But, like. But, like.

[B]

Well, you have.

[A]

But, like. Yeah, I've gotten such a fill of everything where I do want to do the things that, like, somebody would do back in the fucking 80s when they were 23. Like, I want to have. I want to.

[B]

You want to stay home and bake a cake?

[A]

Yeah. Not make a cake, but I want to stay home.

[B]

Yeah. And your girlfriend will bake the cake, and then you'll eat it. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Same for you, Nat. You've done so much. Like, I could see you. You've gone everywhere.

[A]

I want to do therapy, too, but.

[B]

Yes, Nat, I know Wyatt was trying to get me to do therapy the other night.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I'm gonna go. Yeah.

[A]

I need to start talking.

[B]

I just got health insurance, so I'm gonna go, definitely.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But. But back to the youth thing. You know why? It was. We went into dinner the other night, and he had this, like, core memory. He was telling me, and it was with you, and he was like. He was talking about the time that. He was talking about the time that Joshua and Josh Peck went to his middle school, and the three of us went.

[A]

What?

[B]

You don't remember that?

[A]

We went to his middle school.

[B]

We went to pick up Wyatt at middle school.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it was me, you, and Josh Peck.

[A]

Did I go into school?

[B]

We.

[A]

We walked. We.

[B]

We walked out into the middle, and it was a huge scene, I remember. And Josh was, like, standing on a table, maybe, and it was, like, a crowd of people. And, like, I didn't. I didn't compute it at the time, how famous Josh was, but it was, like, pandemonium. And so he was recalling that as a kid. Like, he was saying, like, yeah, like, that moment was like, a really core memory for me of, like, like, creating, like, situations and, like, you know, creating, like, fun. And so I thought it was really interesting.

[A]

Wow, that's really interesting.

[B]

Remember, I got home, the principal called me and called me into his office for Monday?

[A]

Yes. Wait, what was. Okay. What did he say? He said, you can't do that again.

[B]

He just left a message. He's like. He's like. Mr. Nash, I need to see you in my office Monday morning.

[A]

I talked about this on the pod.

[B]

Yeah, we talked to, like, six.

[A]

No, no, no. But it's really interesting. Cause we talked about it when it happened.

[B]

We did, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

That's cool. It's really funny. And then I got in and he just wanted to get into standup. And we just talked about YouTube the whole time.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[B]

But anyways, I just think that you'll be a fun dad. Just like I was. I was youthful, even though I was in my 40s.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Well, I hope you're right.

[B]

You'll always have it.

[A]

I also, like. See, it's gonna make me cry.

[B]

You guys are living in the best time. You're so fucking lucky. The best.

[A]

But, Jay, I also see, like, tiktoks of, like.

[E]

Of Maybe TikTok's hurting me.

[A]

I see, like, tiktoks of, like.

[E]

You know, like, you probably don't see them. Cause your childhood wasn't photographed as much as ours was.

[B]

Yeah, but like, cameras. Yeah.

[E]

Yeah, right.

[A]

You didn't have cameras as easily as we did.

[B]

We didn't have phones.

[A]

Like, you had to, like, roll a camera or something. And a guy had to, like, get under that one that she.

[E]

And go.

[H]

Everyone hold still for 20 seconds.

[A]

Like, I'll see photos of, like. Of like, middle schools or elementary schools being set up for Christmas time. Or like. Or like, there's. There's this. There's a very famous photo that goes around, and it's of a generator. I don't know if you can relate to this. Of, like, a green power generator outside in the middle of a neighborhood. And kids would hang out by it. It's a green.

[C]

Like, the box. Electric box.

[A]

The electric green box.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[B]

Why would you hang up by a generator?

[A]

I don't know, but it was just, like, a thing that you would go sit on or. I actually. What? What? I have an even crazier memory with the generator. There's a. There's. I used to do these things in middle school. I still do it, and I have it around the house. I don't tell anybody where it is, but I set up things for myself in the future. So, like. So I'm like. I'm very big on this. So, like, it's really funny. I don't want to tell you what I have here, because it's just, like, a very personal thing that I do for myself. But, like, in the generator box, like, one of the first days before I even met Natalie, walking home, I had a yellow fuzzball. Like, a fuzzball that you would, like, decorate, like, a funny Christmas sweater with. And I put it inside the generator to where I could see it when I walked by. And I set it there for myself as, like, comfort. Like, I'm going to see this every day on my walk home, and one day I'll finally touch it again when I'm done walking home from school. And then in middle school, I put a dime into the crack of, like, the outer edge of, like, the curb of inside the school. Like, right under, like, this big art piece, there's a crack in the wall, and I put a dime there. And I told myself, at the end of senior year in high school, I'm gonna come back to this middle school and I'm gonna pick up this dime.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And, like, I'll do things like that. A lot of times an easier version is, like, I'll make some sort of, like, art piece. Like, I, like. I'll, like, draw something, or I'll have, like, a painting, and I'll do a box in the corner, and I'll say, I'm gonna come check this box when I become fully happy, like, and when I'm, like, really content with myself.

[B]

Did you get the dime?

[A]

I went back. It wasn't there. Oh, it wasn't there. And I actually didn't go back. I didn't even get to get to senior year. It was like, I visited middle school, like, freshman year. So four years later, and it was already gone. No, but that fuzzball stayed there for, fuck, six, seven years. No pun intended.

[C]

First day, really?

[A]

Yes. Yes, it was. It was really crazy.

[B]

I'm imagining the therapist getting this on the first day.

[A]

But, yeah. I don't know why I was in the penguin video. Right. I don't know why I was saying that, but, yeah.

[E]

So why was I saying that? What were we talking about? Just, like, I don't know.

[B]

Talk about the generator. You're talking about something you have in the house.

[A]

Oh, it's, like, about the generator. And just, like. Like, yeah. How much, like, those things mean to me. From childhood. And one of the comments I saw.

[E]

In this video was, which I know thousands of people can relate to, is, I can't believe that I'll never be able to go back to this time.

[A]

It's like.

[E]

It's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's. It's. It's insane.

[B]

It's the worst.

[A]

That you can't go back.

[B]

You can't go back.

[A]

Look, I don't know.

[B]

I feel the same thing, but with my kids. Like, I can't hold Charlie as, like, a little kid anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's fucked up.

[A]

That's, like, unfathomable to me. Genuinely. I don't actually believe it. I think there will be a way to access those moments again. I really just don't. I don't. I don't think we could do it here, but it's.

[B]

No, no, we'll be able to do it.

[A]

You think?

[B]

100%.

[A]

Do you think we'll be able to.

[B]

Some kind of virtual reality or something?

[A]

Oh, you think we'll be able to do it through technology? Not like, through, like, spiritually.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause I do think it's really interesting how, like, someone will bring up something and they're like, you know, you say, like, I've unlocked a memory. Yeah, I think that's. Fuck. How can you have memories that need triggering from other people's words and then all of a sudden you remember, how the fuck is that possible? How can I. Look at Natalie? And I'll be like, natalie, what's our earliest memory? I'll be thinking for our earliest memory. Won't have one. But then Natalie will say something and I'll go, oh, yeah, how's that fucking. How could I not recall it? Just by going back and like, what is it labeled at? What is it labeled as in my brain that I can't find it in the Rolodex when I just. When I type into my brain. Earliest memory.

[B]

I had one the other day. It was crazy.

[A]

What?

[B]

Naveen handed me an apple and I. Isaac Newton.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, And I took the apple and I took a bite out of it. I took a big bite. And I remember that when I was a kid, I couldn't bite into the apple, so my mouth was too small. So I would give the apple to my father.

[A]

Oh, that's really funny.

[B]

I would say, hey, can you start this apple for me? Or my father would grab it. He'd go, hey, you want me to start that for you?

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

I was fucking dying for, like 10 minutes. I was like, start an Apple. Oh, in a Boston accent. Start an apple. Let me start that apple for you.

[A]

Wow, that's amazing.

[B]

That's fucking awesome. Yeah, but I never thought I had thought about that for so long.

[A]

But, like, where was it?

[B]

Where was what?

[A]

That memory.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I don't know. I mean, especially me. Like, I. I wish. I wish I could. I wish I could take one of those pills, like, limitless. Like. Like Bradley. Like, I feel like my brain is so not functioning on the level it could be functioning on. I would love.

[A]

I don't think anybody's does for. For probably for good reason. Well, regardless, guys, that's all the time we have.

[B]

Did you watch the new Ben Affleck and Matt Damon movie yet?

[A]

No, but I've been seeing their interviews. Is it good?

[B]

Yeah, it's really fun.

[A]

I. I'm just a fun movie. I'm dying to see it. Ben Affleck, Matt Damon movie. I love those two together. All right, guys, that's all the time we have for today's pod. A little bit longer because the last one was.

[B]

Yeah, make up. Let's make up the time because we feel bad for the six we did.

[A]

We're.

[B]

We're.

[A]

We're at like 49 minutes.

[B]

Okay, good, good, good.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, no, we're very long. Okay, guys, we will see you for.

[E]

The next pod on Thursday.

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