Lubing Up My Friend

Summary

VIEWS with David Dobrik & Jason Nash

Episode: Lubing Up My Friend (May 6, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, David Dobrik and Jason Nash reunite right after the Met Gala, diving into topics ranging from celebrity culture, creative work dynamics, and the inner workings of fame, to personal mental health, parenting, and relationship philosophies. The duo's signature blend of candid storytelling, rapid-fire tangents, and self-aware humor sets the tone throughout, while behind-the-scenes peeks at both their professional and personal lives keep things fresh and relatable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bill Murray’s Legendarily Elusive Contact Methods

• David and Jason open with a discussion about the Met Gala, segueing into a broader question: Who's the biggest celebrity with the least formal representation? Jason names Bill Murray, known for having no agent or cellphone and using an old-school voicemail for casting requests.
  • Jason: "If you want Bill Murray to do your movie, like literally, like Wes Anderson, when he wants Bill Murray, he has to call a phone number and it's an old, old timey voicemail, and it's like, hi, this is Bill. Leave a message." (02:05)
  • David is skeptical about how this system works for someone of Murray’s fame.
  • They joke about the legend of Bill Murray giving out “You just met Bill Murray” cards instead of autographs.

2. Beards, Looks, & Judgments

• Jason describes growing a beard for his son's show, and David roasts his fashion choices.
  • David: "The way Jason dresses already is like...on the brink of serial killer. Is this man allowed in my home? And today it's like, another..." (05:07)
  • They riff about the hassles of shaving and escalate to hyperbolic comparisons, with David sarcastically saying there’s "nothing worse than shaving" (06:35).

3. String Theory & the Meaning of Connections

• The pair attempt—clumsily and humorously—to explain string theory and briefly wonder if it's related to human connections.
  • David: "The string theory is a theoretical...framework...that tries to explain all fundamental forces and particles in a single unified way." (07:15)
  • Jason eventually admits confusion, and David equates the theory to string cheese, poking fun at AI’s literalism.

4. Soulmates, Love, and Navigating Relationships

• They debate if soulmates are real or if there are multiple "right" people for everyone.
  • Jason: "I'm sure there's multiple people out there for everybody….I'm too practical for [soulmates]." (09:00)
  • David criticizes the cynical phrase: "She's not yours, it's just your turn." (09:26)
  • They analyze why celebrity couples often pair up, noting stars understand each other’s world—name-checking Kylie Jenner, Timothée Chalamet, Mick Jagger, and David Bowie (10:05, 10:22).

5. Self-Reflection on Love and Openness

• Jason shares a revelation during a road trip with his mom: He holds back from fully enjoying happiness, afraid it will be taken away.
  • Jason: "I've been living my whole life, like, too afraid to have a good time for fear that it will all be taken away." (17:34)
  • David relates, admitting to managing expectations and a reluctance to invest emotionally unless he’s all-in.

6. Creative Dynamics: Lubing Up Your Friends

• David details his approach to capturing friends’ best moments on camera, especially with those who take time to “warm up”—using Zane as an example.
  • David: "That’s looping up your friend...that should be the title of this podcast." (24:10)
  • He explains the “Jedi-level” patience and observation needed for authentic vlogging (24:02).
  • This unfolds into a broader conversation about different creative energies and rhythms within friends’ groups.

7. Editing, Delegation, and Creative Frustrations

• David vents about struggles transitioning from personally editing his iconic videos to delegating edits and not feeling satisfied with the results.
  • David: "There is no such thing as the perfect editor, because the perfect editor is literally yourself." (32:19)
  • Jason notes David’s editing is his “greatest talent.” (33:40)
  • They discuss the value and frustration of YouTube editing, surprise, and retaining creative control.

8. Music, Passion vs. Fame, and Parenting Reflections

• Jason shares pride in his son Wyatt’s independent drive in music, recounting Wyatt’s Mercury Lounge show and new band "Nudie."
  • Jason: "Just like, having inner drive is just like...It's such a gift. And Wyatt has it." (39:58)
  • They emphasize valuing love of craft over the pursuit of fame.
  • David: "What I think is crazy is when people just want to be famous." (40:51)

9. Gen Z Resilience and Public Failure

• They analyze new attitudes toward public failure, referencing a young comedian candidly embracing his mistakes online.
  • Jason: "That's really, like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't jump on TikTok....I wouldn't jump on TikTok [after bombing]." (43:21)
  • David compares this to Logan Paul’s perpetual ability to bounce back and “keep going.” (43:43)

10. Mental Health, Negativity, and Anxiety

• The discussion turns introspective, covering negativity, cycles of stress, intrusive thoughts, and the pressure to always stay positive.
  • David: "How do you not panic about being like...I'm getting sick?...What am I supposed to do?" (45:00)
  • They share struggles with career anxiety and insomnia, with David’s sleep being disrupted by device use (49:47).

11. Closing Notes: Hacks for Better Sleep

• The episode wraps with a lighthearted checklist for better sleep: blackout curtains, colder room temperatures, and humidifiers.
  • Jason: "Let's take it down to 66 [degrees] with blankets over you...and a little humidifier." (50:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bill Murray’s Mystique:

  • Jason: "If you want Bill Murray to do your movie...you have to call a phone number and it's an old, old timey voicemail..." (02:05)

• On Love & Soulmates:

  • Jason: "I'm too practical for soulmates." (09:07)
  • David: "I don't just date someone just to, like, figure it out. Then I'd be dating the whole fucking world." (25:23)

• On Creative Process:

  • David: "That’s looping up your friend...that should be the title of this podcast." (24:10)
  • David: "There is no such thing as the perfect editor, because the perfect editor is literally yourself." (32:19)
  • Jason: "That's your greatest talent, is editing." (33:40)

• On Chasing Fame:

  • David: "What I think is crazy is when people just want to be famous." (40:51)

• On Negative Thoughts:

  • David: "I want to kill myself. What's the next..." (45:52) [delivered in sardonic, self-aware humor]
  • Jason: "My Instagram real tanked. Oh, my God. My YouTube video tanked...I'm fucking done." (46:01)

• On Gen Z’s Grit:

  • Jason: "[Now] just keep going, like, hey, man, bang my head against wall until it happens." (43:33)
  • David: "[Logan Paul is] just like, yeah, I'm just gonna keep going. I’m gonna keep going. I’m keep going. Yeah, it’s very, very crazy." (43:58)

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Timestamps for Noteworthy Segments

| Segment & Topic | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Bill Murray, representation, celebrity access | 01:55–04:55 | | Beard talk, fashion, and humor on appearance | 05:01–06:31 | | String Theory (confused) & relationship types | 07:04–09:46 | | Soulmates, “your turn” cynicism, celebrity love | 09:46–10:33 | | Jason’s “Afraid to be happy” realization | 17:34-19:58 | | “Lubing up your friend” — creative collaboration | 21:13–24:20 | | David on editing/creative burden and control | 28:28–34:00 | | Jason’s son Wyatt’s music career, authenticity | 37:30–40:45 | | The oddness of “wanting to be famous” | 40:51–42:41 | | Gen Z on public failure, Logan Paul's resilience | 42:47–43:58 | | Anxiety, negative thoughts, sleep & self-care | 44:19–51:07 |

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Tone and Language

The conversation is fast-paced, self-deprecating, and laced with sarcasm and informal banter. While honest and occasionally raw, the mood stays comic, even when grazing darker subjects. Both hosts are unfiltered yet self-aware, turning neuroses and creative struggles into comedy fodder.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a classic example of why the VIEWS podcast resonates: you’ll get both backstage influencer stories and surprisingly vulnerable micro-therapy moments, all punctuated by David and Jason’s energetic, irreverent take on the world. There are lessons on creativity, a sly roast of online fame, advice for anxiety, and enough tangents to make even everyday complaints feel like an art form.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[David Dobrik]

What's up, guys? Welcome back to Views guys. It's another Views podcast the day after the Met Gala. And Jason just got back from New York too. Coincidence? I think not.

[Jason Nash]

I didn't even know Met Gala was going on. Damn it.

[David Dobrik]

Really?

[Jason Nash]

I should have stayed. I got to get my head out of my ass.

[David Dobrik]

Did they invite you?

[Jason Nash]

I don't think so. My email is quite a mess, though. It could have been in there with all the spam.

[David Dobrik]

Do you think that's how they invite you to the Met Gala? Through email?

[Jason Nash]

I mean, I don't have my number.

[David Dobrik]

I wonder who the most famous person on earth is that has the least amount of representation. Do you know what I mean?

[Jason Nash]

That's easy. Bill Murray, no agent.

[David Dobrik]

What?

[Jason Nash]

Bill Murray, no agent. So if you want to call. If you want Bill Murray to do your movie, like literally, like Wes Anderson, when he wants Bill Murray, he has to call a phone number and it's an old, old timey voicemail, and it's like, hi, this is Bill. Leave a message.

[David Dobrik]

Wait, wait, wait. Does he have a. Does Bill Murray have a cell phone?

[Jason Nash]

No.

[David Dobrik]

No, he doesn't have a cell phone.

[Jason Nash]

No cell phone.

[David Dobrik]

So, okay, explain this to me. Bill Murray, the guy from Groundhog Day.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Okay. Still operates in this way.

[Jason Nash]

Yes, yes, yes.

[David Dobrik]

So. And he has no agent.

[Jason Nash]

No agent.

[David Dobrik]

Why does he have no agent?

[Jason Nash]

He doesn't believe in it. He doesn't want to participate in that, he said.

[David Dobrik]

Doesn't understand why you would possibly need to give 20% to somebody.

[Jason Nash]

I mean, I'm. I'm pontificating here, but yeah, I mean, I think he does pay like a lawyer and stuff, but. But even the best directors, like the

[David Dobrik]

big ones, they call him directly.

[Jason Nash]

They don't call him directly.

[David Dobrik]

Okay.

[Jason Nash]

They call an answering service.

[David Dobrik]

Okay, but then who. Who's picking this up? Because, like, that's the point of an agent, right? Like, I don't know.

[Jason Nash]

I don't know how old you are, but did your mom ever have that? It's like, hi, it's the Dobriks. Leave a message.

[David Dobrik]

I understand that, but, like, if the Dobriks were super popular.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Who would be combing through the messages? And you. You're telling me Bill Murray. Cause, okay, listen, when you're even an influencer, right? Like, you get thousands of inbounds, whatever, a week, a month, whatever. Whatever the situation could be a day if you're a really big influencer. So, like, who's coming through that? You're telling me Bill Murray sits through a hundred voice messages and hears pitches from people like Jonah all the way up to Wes Anderson?

[Jason Nash]

It's not like Instagram. No one has the number. Only very few have the number. Sofia Coppola has the number. Wes Anderson has the number. Quentin Tarantino has the number.

[David Dobrik]

And then if someone wants to get a hold of Bill Murray, it's probably just like, a friend through a friend, right? Like, does anybody know Bill Murray?

[Jason Nash]

No. You have to go through this voicemail. This is a famous story that I've heard for years that I've read in magazines about Bill Murray.

[David Dobrik]

You have to go through this voicemail, and then he calls you back on, like, a private number.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. If he likes the script.

[David Dobrik]

Fucking insane. Does he still work?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he still works.

[David Dobrik]

I mean, he's the guy that has. That is, like, funny when you meet him, right?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. He's the guy that's, like, will, like, pop, show up at your wedding, have, like, make everybody go crazy for, like, an hour and then just disappear.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. And. And then he's also the guy that, like, someone was, like, peeing next to him, and he's like, are You, Bill Murray? He's like, yes, but no one will ever believe you.

[Jason Nash]

Yes.

[David Dobrik]

Like that.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

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[David Dobrik]

He's like one of those guys.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And then he has cards, too. Instead of autographs. He, like, has a card that says, you just met Bill Murray or congratulations.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, does he? I don't know. That's funny.

[David Dobrik]

I think that's him, too. Is he a nice guy or is he a mean guy? Like, what's his perception? Obviously, we can't speak on him.

[Jason Nash]

In reality, we can't speak on him. We don't know him. I mean, obviously, I don't know. I have no idea. I've heard stories that he can be mean.

[David Dobrik]

Right, right. Okay.

[Jason Nash]

And I've heard stories that he's wonderful and just like all of us. I mean, you can be mean. I can be mean.

[David Dobrik]

I don't think I've ever been mean.

[Jason Nash]

I was mean yesterday when I got off. I had such a little tizzy yesterday.

[David Dobrik]

Well, first of all, I wish we did have the video podcast just for this moment. Jason came in with, like, a really sc. Furry beard. And the way Jason dresses already is, like. You know, it's already, like, on the brink of, like, serial killer. Is this man allowed in my home? And today it's like, another tonight. I mean, any home. No, I'm not even saying my home. I'm saying, like, any home. Yeah. You look like a murderer.

[Jason Nash]

Really?

[David Dobrik]

For sure.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

No, it looks like you just came from burying a body up the hill or something.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. I mean, I started this beard, and then I was like. And we went to Wyatt's show in New York, and I was like, I gotta shave tonight before we go to the show. And Naveen's like, no, I really like it. It looks really sexy.

[David Dobrik]

I love your excuse for not. I'm like. I'm like, so, what's the beard situation? And Jason was like, well, I wanted to shave it, but then I forgot, and now it's, you know, now it's gotten to the point where it's gonna be really difficult to shave. So I don't know anymore, which is like, what?

[Jason Nash]

Well, have you ever had it, like, now. Now it's like, I'm have to take. First I'm going to have to take scissors to it. Then I got to. Then I got to take a razor to it. It might take two razors. It's like, it's gonna take some time.

[David Dobrik]

Yes. Yeah. Well, remember when I just grew out my beard for Coachella?

[Jason Nash]

I remember.

[David Dobrik]

That was my first time. And I used a razor to shave it.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And it hurt incredibly. Yeah, the hair was about maybe a half an inch long and it was like really, really, really fucking intense.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, shaving's the worst.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

I mean, there's a lot of things that are worse. No, nothing like genocide.

[David Dobrik]

No, there's nothing worse than shaving.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, but it is pretty.

[David Dobrik]

Would you rather have a really, really, really big beard or have to go through like, let's say labor?

[Jason Nash]

Oh, labor.

[David Dobrik]

Labor for sure. Okay, just want to make sure we're abundantly clear here.

[Jason Nash]

Hey, you ever had. They're saying men can have a baby soon.

[David Dobrik]

Dude, you've been preaching this on the podcast for, for a couple seasons here. You do knew that, right? That's like. I don't know, it's like a common thing you say. Have you heard about the string theory?

[Jason Nash]

Yes, yes. Explain it to me about it.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, wait, really?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, but I mean, I can't. I can't process it. He's told me about it and he studied it in school, but. What is it again?

[David Dobrik]

Oh, I thought you were going to tell me.

[Jason Nash]

No, you tell me.

[David Dobrik]

Well, it's basically. Fuck. The string theory is a theoretical, theoretical framework in theoretical physics that tries to explain all fundamental forces and particles in a single unified way. Okay, sorry, that was a bunch of fucking mumbo jumbo. The core idea is the universe is made of incredibly small one dimensional strings. These strings can vibrate in different ways. Each vibration corresponds to a different particle. Okay, it's still not really explaining it to me.

[Jason Nash]

Let's keep trying.

[David Dobrik]

In simple terms. Strings equal fundamental building blocks. Vibrations equal different particles. Music equals the physical universe. God, what does this mean? Can you explain it to me in a way? What does this have to do with like, people meeting each other and things like that? I thought that's what string theory was, right? Wasn't about people meeting each other.

[Jason Nash]

I thought it was. You're talking about string cheese.

[David Dobrik]

It's about the deepest physical building blocks of reality way, way below the level of everyday life. It doesn't explain why people meet, fall in love, or run into each other at Erewhon. Why is my chatgpt being such a fucking asshole to me? Why did it just say that? That's like the most negative thing I've heard. It doesn't explain why people meet, fall in love, or run into each other at Erewhon.

[Jason Nash]

He's trying to put it into terms that you could understand.

[David Dobrik]

It's like literally just straight up attacked me, the honest breakdown at human level. People meet because of proximity Timing, social networks, choices and randomness. Things like where you live, who your friends are, what you do for work, those dominate. Do you think, Jay, do you think that there's multiple loves of your life out there? Do you think you could fall in love with multiple people? Or there's one person for you? Because it's really difficult for you to answer because. Well, actually, it shouldn't be because you're in your second relationship and at one point, you did love your first. Yeah. So do you think.

[Jason Nash]

If I'm being honest, like, I'm sure there's multiple people out there for everybody.

[David Dobrik]

Do you think there's a soulmate? Do you think there's one that, like.

[Jason Nash]

No, I'm too practical for that.

[David Dobrik]

Really? Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

That's like, you know, I found somebody who's the perfect match for me. But I don't. I can't say that, Like, I don't believe in that.

[David Dobrik]

I think the most negative, like, saying that I see especially. It's usually when. When guys or girls date a hot celebrity couple. I'll see this.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

No, actually, I see this a lot. It'll. It'll be like, it's. She's not yours. It's just your turn. Oh, And I think that's, like the most disgusting, like, just sad way of looking at it. I don't even think people mean it in a disgusting way, like, taking turns on him. It's like, just. It just is a very terrible way of looking at something.

[Jason Nash]

Celebrities tough, too, because it's. I know, I know.

[David Dobrik]

I don't. I don't even think it's celebrity. I think it's just, like, people that have a very pessimistic outlook on love.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

That are just like. Yeah, that's. That's all. That's all gonna fade.

[Jason Nash]

I don't know it, but it is. It is interesting when, like, two celebrities find each other, because it does make sense.

[David Dobrik]

I don't.

[Jason Nash]

It does make sense because it's like, oh, they. They can, like, understand. I get with two celebrities, Kylie and Timothy. Kylie and Timothy.

[David Dobrik]

I totally get that.

[Jason Nash]

Of course. Who else could. They could understand each other. They're living in a different world.

[David Dobrik]

Who are those two rock stars that were so powerful that they weren't even gay? They just started fucking, fucking each other.

[Jason Nash]

It was like Mick Jagger and Bowie.

[David Dobrik]

Yes. Apparently. I guess you are gay if you fucking each other. Right. It's like the craziest way.

[Jason Nash]

They're just like flu.

[David Dobrik]

They weren't gay, though.

[Jason Nash]

No, they were just.

[David Dobrik]

They were just lit.

[Jason Nash]

Yes.

[David Dobrik]

No, but who? That's a story. Have you ever seen that Tic Tac? It's so funny. It's this guy in Hawaii.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

He goes around and he goes. And it's. And he takes a picture of a person and he shows it to the next person. He goes, is this person gay or straight? And then the person, 99% of the time, the guy goes, oh, he's gay.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And the guy goes, like, why would you say that?

[Jason Nash]

It's like.

[David Dobrik]

Well, you could just tell by the way he's standing. And then he goes, are you gay or straight? And I goes, oh, I'm straight. It's like, would you think people would agree? Yeah, for sure. And it keeps going and everyone calls each other gay. It's actually a very, very interesting.

[Jason Nash]

Like, I have seen that.

[David Dobrik]

It's a very interesting. I don't know what it means. I don't know what the meaning behind it, but, like, psycholog. I think it's really interesting that, like, all guys. Because, yeah, honestly, I look at all those pictures and all of them look gay. What does that even. What does that even mean? Why am I even saying that? I don't even know.

[Jason Nash]

You just look at guys, you're just calling them gay to push the gay off you.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, I don't care. Like if I. If someone took a picture of me. Yeah, like, for sure I look gay. If somebody saw me in motion, like, walking from the back.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

They'd be like, super gay. If somebody talked to me for about two hours, they'd be like, this is the gayest guy I've ever met.

[Jason Nash]

In fact, most people call me gay.

[David Dobrik]

In fact, I am gay. This is the way. No, no, I mean, I take pride in my feminine side. I don't believe in. I don't. I actually don't believe in. I don't believe in a lot. All I believe in is dmt. Anyway, where were we? Right before I pivoted?

[Jason Nash]

We were talking about Bill Murray.

[David Dobrik]

No, dude, that's the beginning of the thought. That's way too many things.

[Jason Nash]

Jeff Bezos.

[David Dobrik]

We were at String Theory. Oh, love, Love.

[Jason Nash]

Cheese.

[David Dobrik]

And like. And taking turns. So do you like in the afterlife? What do you think? What do you like? This is what kind of freaks me out.

[Jason Nash]

There's no afterlife.

[David Dobrik]

Okay. You're still on that?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, I'm still on it.

[David Dobrik]

Where do you go?

[Jason Nash]

He's just done. It's over.

[David Dobrik]

Where do you go, Jay?

[Jason Nash]

You don't. You're over.

[David Dobrik]

You don't.

[Jason Nash]

There's no. There's nowhere to go. I don't know why you would turn the TV off. Where's the TV signal? It's gone.

[David Dobrik]

I actually don't think that's true.

[Jason Nash]

I know we've talked about this and I don't know for sure, but yeah, I mean, I don't know.

[David Dobrik]

What do you think? What do you want to happen? I think, oh, sure, I'd love to go to heaven.

[Jason Nash]

Okay.

[David Dobrik]

Honestly, I think that's the way you should be looking at things. I don't think you should question him. I think you should just maybe it'd

[Jason Nash]

be better for my mental health if I did believe that.

[David Dobrik]

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[Jason Nash]

Mental Health I had a crazy Thought the other day, which was. I had a really deep thought driving back from New York with my mom.

[David Dobrik]

It's such a. Oh, remind me. Celebrities hooking up with each other. That's what we were talking about.

[Jason Nash]

Okay, go, go, go. I'll remember mine.

[David Dobrik]

Are you sure you'll remember yours?

[Jason Nash]

No, I'll remember one. Mine blew me away.

[David Dobrik]

I'm accused of cutting you off a lot, so I feel like I'd rather let you finish your story. I'll tell it quickly, but you know what? Let me say mine. I don't know.

[Jason Nash]

Here we go. We'll say it at the same time. No, go ahead.

[David Dobrik]

No, no, no. I will remember mine.

[Jason Nash]

Mine. Mine might. Mine might be dumb, but for sure

[David Dobrik]

it's going to be dumb. But we have to. There's one for you, for five for me. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. We got two.

[David Dobrik]

So let's knock yours out.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. We got no stone left unturned.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

So I'm driving back from New York. Went. Took my mom to see Wyatt play at Mercury Lounge. It was the greatest weekend ever.

[David Dobrik]

Wyatt.

[Jason Nash]

Wyatt. My son.

[David Dobrik]

Okay.

[Jason Nash]

Just because, like, you know, when you, like, make somebody else happy, I mean, it's just like the best. You do it all the time.

[David Dobrik]

Sure.

[Jason Nash]

When you give. Give people something or something, like, it's a great feeling. So we flew to Boston, we drove her down to New York. She was just having the best time, you know, we're stopping, she's getting a Diet Coke. She's getting some chips.

[David Dobrik]

She's talking a lot, huh? Oh, she's probably.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, my God. She talks. She does this thing where we fucking. I've got the gps. Yeah, right. And the GPS is good. It works. It works great.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

But she's in the back seat with her own GPS telling me what the GPS. So she'll be like, 27 miles, 26 miles, exit four.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, no way. She counts down. Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

She'll go exit 4, and then my GPS will go exit 4. And it's like, stop. Stop backseat driving.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Then, I mean, I can't, to be fair, like, how are. I can't imagine being an old person. And then all of a sudden, like, GPS is just like.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Taking your bond on you. Yeah. And it's taken everything that you've ever done in the passenger seat of a car, like, let her have her own. That's old ways, you know?

[Jason Nash]

That's true.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Ways. No pun intended.

[David Dobrik]

She. That's what she was on. It was not passenger back in the day. It was co captain yeah, she's lost her position.

[Jason Nash]

Yes, she did. Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Okay, go.

[Jason Nash]

Then the other thing she did. We're in the hotel and we're getting the car to leave, and I got my backpack on, and I got two laptops in my backpack, my young LA backpack that you gave me, which is great. It fits two laptops, like, in the side pocket. So I'm in the hotel and she's like, ah, let me. She starts messing with the zippers. The young LA backpack has so many fucking zippers on it, which is great. She's like, let me fix this, let me fix that. She fucking undoes the laptop. The laptops. So I get. I get to the parking church.

[David Dobrik]

I have to walk a block.

[Jason Nash]

Two laptops come crashing out.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, she unzipped it onto the concrete.

[Jason Nash]

Onto the concrete.

[David Dobrik]

And you slapped her. I hope.

[Jason Nash]

Slapped her up. But the thought that I had. And then. We'll get back to you. I had such a good time, and I was driving back from New York to Boston, and I thought, oh, my God, I've been living my whole life, like, too afraid to have a good time for fear that it will all be taken away.

[David Dobrik]

Huh. To fear of, like.

[Jason Nash]

Like, I won't. I won't give over to, like. Life is so awesome. Because I have this fear, like, yeah, it'll be taken away.

[David Dobrik]

It's the same way of, like, people are scared to fall in love because they don't get hurt.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. But if I sit there and go, like, it was okay. It was like, it was fine, but fucking. There was a bunch of shit wrong.

[David Dobrik]

You like managing expectations.

[Jason Nash]

Yes.

[David Dobrik]

In case something. In case it doesn't go right.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. That.

[David Dobrik]

Preparing for the worst.

[Jason Nash]

What's that?

[David Dobrik]

You're preparing for the worst mentally.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. And it's a terrible way to live.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, that is a really interesting way to live. I don't think I live that way.

[Jason Nash]

You don't?

[David Dobrik]

No, I'm trying to because I. The way. The reason I said it like that is because I'm trying to convince myself that I don't live that way. But I see similarities in what you're saying and, like, the way I look at things.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

I think it is, like, really important. And I've become also that type of person that, like, I don't want to start liking a person and then, like, potentially have them not, like, me back. It's like, the worst.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, yeah, that's the worst. But.

[David Dobrik]

There is no but.

[Jason Nash]

You get to a place in your life where you're like. You could just. You're okay with just putting it out there, and it's like, oh, yeah. It's not. I guess I got to a place where I was like, they don't like me. That's not anything saying about me. It's like, with Naveen, it was like, oh. By the time I got to Naveen, I was like, yeah, this'll never work. But if she likes me, then great.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, you talk a big game about that, though. But, like, God forbid, if there's ever a day where Naveen is no longer around, you will be in shambles.

[Jason Nash]

No, no, no.

[David Dobrik]

There's no way you're gonna be like, I accepted it and I had a good time while it lasted.

[Jason Nash]

That's what I'll say.

[David Dobrik]

No way.

[Jason Nash]

That's how evolved I am in terms of relationships, because I have had my heart broken.

[David Dobrik]

Okay. I think that is actually the exact thing that you epiphanied about with your mom, maybe, right?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, maybe.

[David Dobrik]

So I think you're having a hard time maybe fully loving Naveen as much as you should.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Well done.

[David Dobrik]

I feel like maybe you just, like. And also therapy. Well, you. Do you do this a lot? You. Like, I think you verbalize a lot of things. Mm. But I don't think you actualize it. Like, I think I make fun of you for this all the time.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like, we'll be in Santa Barbara. We'll sit down for 30 minutes at the beach, and you'll just be like, isn't this amazing? Isn't this amazing? Or you'll be on my couch. You'll plop down, and the second you feel the cloud. Couch, you're like, isn't this just so great? I could be here all day. And I know you don't mean that. I know you're just saying that because, like, you're just trying to, like, convince yourself that that's what you're supposed to be feeling. But really, in your head, you're like, I have to be out of here in 20 minutes. I have to go do the next thing,

[Jason Nash]

you fucker.

[David Dobrik]

So it is. It's really impressive.

[Jason Nash]

It's true.

[David Dobrik]

It's even. It's the thing that is most impressive about you. And I've been on the other side of this. Cause so when we come to the podcast, like, 85% of the time, I'm really pouty, and I don't want to do the podcast, and Jason has to sit here and, like, kind of just,

[Jason Nash]

like, wait you out.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Wait me out. Which I feel really Bad. But like, I do this. Like, I used to do this for a living with my friends. It's kind of interesting to be on the other side of it.

[Jason Nash]

Wait a minute, wait.

[David Dobrik]

Like when we were vlogging.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, you had to wait out.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Zayn or Heath or Scott.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, like everybody. Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, you did do that. Like, that's really funny.

[David Dobrik]

Like, that was. I mean, that was what.

[Jason Nash]

But I learned that from you. Yeah, I learned that from you. Because I remember when we would start to vlog, I'd be like, why the fuck aren't we doing this? And you'd be like, hang on, hang on, Jay. Hang on, hang on, Jay. He's like, just chill out. It's gonna happen. Just gotta wait. Gotta wait a little bit. Get people ready, get them, lube them, have a couple drinks or whatever. Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like it's.

[Jason Nash]

Everybody get dressed.

[David Dobrik]

Everybody makes stuff differently. Like ultimately, ultimately, like, everyone wants to make videos. Everyone want. Like in a friend group, everyone wants to vlog or everyone wants a pot or whatever, but everyone has. Everyone warms up in a different way.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Like, you don't need to warm up.

[Jason Nash]

No.

[David Dobrik]

You come in. Big Nick does not need a warm up. Comes in full, blazing. And that would scare somebody. Like a. Sometimes even a Scott, who I think is more of. In between you and Zane. Zane is the biggest, like, needs a warm up.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Zane. I came up with a tactic to film Zane when we were in. When we were in India. Were you there? No, I told Zane you. Okay. So we've been filming a lot. The way we film videos now is like, especially when we're traveling. We'll all meet in the lobby of the hotel early in the morning and the day will start and the filmer will usually. Or the videographer will pull the camera out.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Can start recording me. And every time he starts recording Zayn, Zane's like, please get that out of my fucking face. Because it's too early for Zane. But Zayn loves filming. Right? So what I've told my. The videographers is like, just film me.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And then when Zayn says something funny, don't pan to him. And. And it works. It works every single time. Yes. And then Zane says something funny and I'm like, don't pan to him.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And then have him say something funny one more time and don't pan to him again.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And wait till he jumps in front of the camera himself.

[Jason Nash]

Wow.

[David Dobrik]

And then he's ready. It's really interesting. It's. It's like catching a wild Animal. It's really, really funny because then awesome Zane, like, really gets into it. Zane wants to do it at that point. And to be fair, it's not me tricking Zayn. It's also Zane just getting comfortable. Like, that is like, you know, it's like, whenever he's ready.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like, I'm filming my video. There's no reason I should be putting the pressure on Zane.

[Jason Nash]

Yes, yes, yes.

[David Dobrik]

So it's like. It's like whenever he wants to step into my video and start, like, having fun.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

That is the way to go about it. And that's something that's taken me years of experience to figure out.

[Jason Nash]

Wow, that's Jedi level.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, I think that is Jedi level vlogging. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really something.

[Jason Nash]

I think people probably can't. Wouldn't even. I don't even think about.

[David Dobrik]

No, that's an unfathomable. Like, that's looping up your friend. That's how you got living up your friend. That's the. That should be the title of this podcast.

[Jason Nash]

Wait, Celebrities and what?

[David Dobrik]

So the thing I had you.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Remember for me.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Well, we were just talking about celebrities and them and them dating, and I just find it so bizarre one how quickly celebrities date each other and, like, hop into things.

[Jason Nash]

Why not?

[David Dobrik]

Oh, why not? I guess I kind of get that. I think the way I look at it is not why not. I look at it like, damn, it sucks. Like, they're having fun. But it's not really. Like, it can't be that real because it's happening so quickly. Like.

[Jason Nash]

Well, like, you. You were. You were in a public relationship, and it was real.

[David Dobrik]

Super real, Jay. And it's been how many years since I've had a real one? That's about it.

[Jason Nash]

Doesn't matter, though. The time you spent together was real.

[David Dobrik]

No, no, no. I'm saying celebrities hopping in and out of relationships.

[Jason Nash]

Okay, so you're saying a celebrity jumps in.

[David Dobrik]

This also applies to, like, anybody else.

[Jason Nash]

Okay.

[David Dobrik]

Just, like, somebody going from relationship to relationship to relationship. I find that really bizarre.

[Jason Nash]

What are you saying?

[David Dobrik]

Like, a serial dater as opposed to, like, somebody, like, waiting to the right? Like, I don't start dating a human being till I have said in my head, I could see me marrying you. Oh, really? For sure. I don't just date someone just to, like, figure it out. Then I'd be dating the whole fucking world. I'd just be dating everybody. I see. Like, there's just, like, no way of going at it. Like, I'll start dating. Even my, even the first relationship I had, like, I. We didn't start dating till I was like, oh yeah, I think I'm gonna marry this person.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

And that's when I was like, we should definitely be boyfriend girlfriend. Cuz like, that is the step before marriage.

[Jason Nash]

I could see that. I could also see relationships that are just like, maybe, maybe marriage isn't the goal. And you're just like, I like this person.

[David Dobrik]

Right. I think marriage is the goal for me. And I think not. I think this is, this kind of goes back to what you were saying or like your fears or like, this is why I was drawing the comparison with our fears was because like, in terms of dating. Yeah, I don't want to date someone that I'm not like fully certain about.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Because I don't want to just date someone for like some temporary fun and then, and then have, and then have me be heartbroken or something at the end of it. Like, I want to, at least on my end, go into it with full confidence that like, I'm seeing this to the end.

[Jason Nash]

Aren't you. Aren't you maybe missing out on experiences and learning about yourself and learning about relationships?

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, probably. Yeah, for sure. For sure. There's like. And it also. And also, not only that, but like, am I missing out on actually like the love of my life? Cause I'm too scared to like, try. For sure. But that's just like, that's just how

[Jason Nash]

I roll, you know, it's just a choice you make.

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[David Dobrik]

This is how it be. A vlog was supposed to go up today and we haven't gotten around to it yet. So I think it will be up tomorrow. Every time I say shit like that, it doesn't go up till the next day.

[Jason Nash]

It's not that you haven't got around to it. It's not done.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, it's not done. Yeah, no, yeah, it's. I flew back from Miami.

[Jason Nash]

You made it sound like to go through the year, you were playing pickleball.

[David Dobrik]

No, no, no, no. It's. It's really tough. We got a new editor, right? We have an editor. And I'm still heavily involved. I am arguably sitting there more than when I was editing because now I

[Jason Nash]

have no on my video. Can you believe it, Jay?

[David Dobrik]

What do you mean?

[Jason Nash]

I'm the one having to sit there on my video?

[David Dobrik]

No, I'm just saying, like. No, I'm saying I'm longer than if I was editing.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, oh, oh.

[David Dobrik]

Because like now we're on a different program. The clips are harder to edit because now we're using mics and different cameras. Yeah, I. I'm really bad at touching the program. Like, I like, I don't know my way around it. So I'm not fast.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And giving the editor notes is actually. Is something I am so unskilled at. Like, I'm so bad at.

[Jason Nash]

That's a skill.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, it's definitely a skill. And like on Imovie, when I have a. When I like when I was editing on Imovie and I wanted to rearrange a clip. Yeah. And I want to say what happened? This clip went before here or this song starts here. It takes, I'm not kidding you, three seconds to make that adjustment.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

But for an editor, like on a bigger program, where you have to like change. Because like, you have to change what your cursor does. So you have to click a different button to make your cursor pull the clip. You click a different button to have your cursor pull the audio. So it's not just like one cursor. The pointer finger does everything. You have to go into settings and change the point. It's. It's a whole bit. So like a very little thing that takes 30 seconds.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like not 30 seconds. 15 seconds.

[Jason Nash]

Sure.

[David Dobrik]

When it usually would take me a second.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And like. And those 15 seconds add up to hours on hours on hours where I'm sitting here longer than I have ever been sitting.

[Jason Nash]

Why don't you go back to Imovie?

[David Dobrik]

Because it can't really let me have everybody because I don't want to edit. That was, that was the whole. That was the whole. That was the whole thing of this new series. And. And it's getting tough because I'm one video ahead right now. There's a video I'm posting on Wednesday.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

That's been shot. And then we have another video where we just went to Miami. That's or on. Yeah. And that's going to be shot or that's going to be posted next week.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And then I'm ahead by no videos.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

So like. And it's getting to the point where I'm sitting in this edit room longer and longer and not being able to shoot the next video. So I'm really scared that about week five or six.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

This whole thing is gonna come imploding unless we figure out how to do this properly. Where I am completely hands off.

[Jason Nash]

You need a second editor editing the video. That's two weeks from now.

[David Dobrik]

We have three, four editors, like looking at it.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. Three, four editors and no video done.

[David Dobrik]

But they. But the most frustrating part is. So we sent a good example is we went to a dinner for Celsius.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Shot for about an hour and a half. Mildly funny stuff, nothing crazy. We sent it to three different editors and all three editors sent us back 20 minute takes with completely different things in it.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, wow.

[David Dobrik]

It's really fucking strange. It's really fucking strange. And we'll watch one editor and Ferris and I will be like, where the fuck is everything?

[Jason Nash]

Right?

[David Dobrik]

And then we'll watch the next and we'll be like, wait, that last editor had no idea what he was doing. This guy has so much other stuff. And then we'll watch the new guy and we'll be like, wait a Minute, the last guy didn't know what he was doing. This guy has the better stuff, but then he does. He's missing some stuff that the first guy has. And then. And then you're just like, there is no such thing as the perfect editor, because the perfect editor is literally yourself. I've been saying this from all along. It's just unfortunate that I don't love doing it anymore.

[Jason Nash]

Well, you'll have to come to a crossroads that either you're. Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

I got to figure something out. And I really do enjoy filming the videos.

[Jason Nash]

That's like.

[David Dobrik]

I like filming the videos. I just really hate fucking sitting down. The reason I wanted to stop editing is because. Is because when people will come over and film videos with me.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And I'll watch it online, I get so excited.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like, almost like. Like a. Like a. Like, what's an. What's a softer word than a narcissistic way of looking at it? Like, I get excited to see myself in other people's videos.

[Jason Nash]

Sure.

[David Dobrik]

Especially when it's edited good. I'm like, I want to watch myself.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And that's what.

[Jason Nash]

I like that, too.

[David Dobrik]

You like that, too?

[Jason Nash]

Of course.

[David Dobrik]

Right? Okay. Okay. So, like, that's.

[Jason Nash]

What if I do a collab with somebody and they're doing all the editing? I think, oh, I want Daniel Mack. I did a little thing with Daniel.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Like, I'm so.

[Jason Nash]

I can't wait to see what he did.

[David Dobrik]

And usually you like it, right?

[Jason Nash]

Of course.

[David Dobrik]

Because I think you, like, your mind isn't. There's no. Like, there's nothing tied to it. You're kind of like, whatever comes out of it comes out of it.

[Jason Nash]

I was funny in this moment. Yeah. Cool.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, that was funny. I did that.

[David Dobrik]

And. And that's why I wanted to stop editing, because I love that feeling so much that I'm like, can somebody edit for me?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And, like, can I just see it and get a surprise? Like, it's Christmas morning and a new video has been posted about me, and I get to, like, watch what I did.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. But that's your.

[David Dobrik]

But unfortunately, when it's your own video, you're thinking of it completely differently. And you're like, well, where's this part? Where's this part? Where's this part? Where are the part.

[Jason Nash]

But that's your greatest talent, is editing. I mean, like, that's. But you're, like, so gifted at it. That was what made the videos. If somebody asked me, oh, why is David's video so good? I always Say, oh, it's the editing. It's his editing. That's the only. You were able to do something that no one else can do. So I don't know why you want to just run away from your.

[David Dobrik]

I want to be more than editor. I want to be a star.

[Jason Nash]

You are a star. You have 20 million subscribers.

[David Dobrik]

I'm kidding. Please don't.

[Jason Nash]

Isn't it funny how subscribers don't mean anything anymore?

[David Dobrik]

Followers don't.

[Jason Nash]

Followers, yeah.

[David Dobrik]

YouTube subscribers, I think still do. Because it's not like my YouTube videos. My YouTube videos don't like that. Actually, they do fully matter subscribers. Because my video. My videos don't go to like a random feed, like for your followers. 50%. Like, it really is random people, I

[Jason Nash]

feel like, so for free. But I looked at this stat on Instagram last night and it was like someone was asking for my analytics and I was like, oh, it said 90%

[David Dobrik]

of my Instagram viewers are from random people.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Dobrik]

That's why followers don't matter. But it's different.

[Jason Nash]

Only 10% of my followers see what I post.

[David Dobrik]

But that's like. But that's like, isn't that fucked? It isn't. It isn't.

[Jason Nash]

Tell me, Explain it to me.

[David Dobrik]

I think it sucks.

[Jason Nash]

Why does YouTube carry that value and Instagram doesn't? In other words, like.

[David Dobrik]

Cause I think like the YouTube, like social, like, it's like, it's like, it's like not as. It's not a platform. It's a different kind of platform. Okay. I think it's like turning on your tv like you want like some organization. I think, I think the way TikTok has developed and Instagram has developed.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Is that the more random greatness that there is on a feed, the longer you're there? Do you know what I mean?

[Jason Nash]

The more random, like, the more random

[David Dobrik]

funny videos you find, the longer you're gonna spend on the app.

[Jason Nash]

I see on Instagram.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. And I feel like YouTube is different because you're like coming in for these long videos, right? These creators that you already like, that you want to watch. It's, I feel right. The. The system of keeping you there is a little bit different on YouTube.

[Jason Nash]

I see.

[David Dobrik]

So I don't know. I could be completely wrong. YouTube also has shorts that works in the same way.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

But yeah, no, no, followers don't matter. Which is actually kind of a nice thing.

[Jason Nash]

If you started a new channel right now, what kind of views do you think you would get?

[David Dobrik]

Like a brand new YouTube channel.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, I was talking to someone over the weekend, and they were like, you should just start a new channel.

[David Dobrik]

And I was like, oh, like, anonymously?

[Jason Nash]

No, no, no. Just like a new channel.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, like David Dobrik does something else.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, probably like a million a video just, like, right away if I linked it for my main.

[Jason Nash]

Or are you saying, oh, if you link. No, no, no, no link. Do you think that it's better to start a new channel?

[David Dobrik]

I think depending on what you do, yeah. Cause I think you'll like. I think it's just like the TikTok effect. It does snowball.

[Jason Nash]

Why explain the algorithm to me? Like, if somebody's out there and they're like, hey, I have this YouTube channel.

[David Dobrik]

Well, if you post and you have 10 followers or 10 subs, right?

[Jason Nash]

And all 10 watch it, the video does better.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Like in quotes.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Algorithmically.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

If seven of the people really liked it, then the algorithm's gonna be like, you know what? I'm gonna feed it to another 20.

[Jason Nash]

Got it.

[David Dobrik]

If out of those 20, majority liked it, algorithms gonna go. I'm keep going, oh, I'm gonna keep sharing this bitch. And I think you. Right, your chances of closer retention to your total number of subscribers or whatever.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

Will be that much better on a new channel.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Dobrik]

So I. Some. Some world where that would be better, but I don't know.

[Jason Nash]

Hey, Wyatt opened for Chris Martin's son Saturday night.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, yeah? How'd that go?

[Jason Nash]

Fucking amazing.

[David Dobrik]

Really?

[Jason Nash]

Unbelievable.

[David Dobrik]

Was Chris Martin there?

[Jason Nash]

No.

[David Dobrik]

Damn.

[Jason Nash]

No. But it was really cool. Chris Martin's son has a band. It's great. It's called People I've Met, and Wyatt's band's called Nudie. And why. It went on before, and it was just. It was just crazy.

[David Dobrik]

Wait, wait, wait. Why it's band?

[Jason Nash]

It's called what? Nudie.

[David Dobrik]

What the fuck happened to Great Big Cow?

[Jason Nash]

Well, they're. They're on hiatus. Two of the guys don't live in New York, so he started a new band with one of the guys from

[David Dobrik]

Great Big Cow called Nudie.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, I like that.

[Jason Nash]

It was really good. And it was just like. And then after, on Sunday, I was like. He was like, hey, did you know that was the seventh time I played Mercury Lounge? And I was like, oh, like, wow. Okay. So you.

[David Dobrik]

Does he get paid?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And what does he do after? After? Does he go, like, have sex with, like.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like a bunch of people?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to see a video?

[David Dobrik]

Does he do, like, the rock star shit? Like, does he go. He does a drink, right? But does he still hang out, like, in like, a lounge, like, where everyone's drinking? And he's sort of like. Everyone's like, wyatt, good show. Like, is that still kind of the vibe?

[Jason Nash]

It was like that, but it was more like. Wyatt's more about, like, seeing other bands. He's like, kind of musically music. He's just really into bands, so he's like. He wanted to see the next band.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, so he stays there to watch the show.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, he's just really into that. And then. But there were lots of. There was tons of kids there from college and met all his friends, and it was just so cool. It was just so cool to like, to see him do it. I was like, what do you think

[David Dobrik]

you're going to get your money back on all the education you spent on him?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, I don't think I'll get the money back, but he'll get the money back.

[David Dobrik]

Really?

[Jason Nash]

I think. I think he's going to do it. I think he's going to make it,

[David Dobrik]

like, be a rock star. I see, like, a little somber route for him.

[Jason Nash]

What? Oh, somber.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Nash]

I mean, I think he'll be. I know he'll work in music and I think he'll be a rock star. Yeah. If I showed you the videos, you'd be like, oh, wow. Like, it's actually happening. It's crazy. It's crazy to watch it happen. And it's crazy because to watch somebody that's, like, born within her drive, like, I've known so many people my whole life, David. I had a friend who was so funny growing up. He was so funny. His name was Topher. And when I started to do, like, YouTube and stuff, I was like. I was like, you gotta come do YouTube with me. Or I started to do, like, vine even. And he. And I remember one day we tried, and he was just like, I can't do this. And I was like, oh.

[David Dobrik]

Because he just didn't want to.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, he just didn't want to. But I mean, just like, having inner drive is just like. It's such a gift. And Wyatt has it, and he has it. I mean, he is fucking pounding the pavement. He's, like, booking shows, he's talking to people. He's fucking. He got in trouble at school for spray painting his band, like, stencil. Like a band stencil.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, that is sick.

[Jason Nash]

He had to go in front of the court.

[David Dobrik]

Does he. Does he state? Like, does he tell you verbally what he wants to be.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. And it's like all planned out like

[David Dobrik]

he wants to be a rock star.

[Jason Nash]

He just want to be a. He doesn't say like, I want to be a rock star, but he's like, I want to make music and put out albums and.

[David Dobrik]

Okay, so do you think he cares, like what level of like stardom he reaches? He doesn't care.

[Jason Nash]

No, no, I don't think he's like.

[David Dobrik]

He just wants to be able to do it full time. Yeah, I love that.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, it's fucking awesome. It's so crazy to watch. It's crazy.

[David Dobrik]

What I think is crazy is when people like just want to be famous.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

I think that's insane. Do you know what I mean?

[Jason Nash]

Who would you say that is like YouTubers, reality show people like that?

[David Dobrik]

I don't know, But I'll see TikTok bios of people be like, born to be famous or I want to be famous next or the next person to be famous. I just think it's so strange. It's like, what is that? First of all, that word is so, it's so gross. Yeah. I think it's also double gross because like it's like when you're an influencer, you're hit with that word a lot because people are like, people a will use it to like mock you.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like, or like, like if you're like in school, you bet. Ooh, you're famous.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Or people will ask you that question, like, what's it like to be famous? And then you'll have to deflect and you'll be like, that's not the right word to use. You don't want to seem like a fucking stuck up snob on the Internet and you don't want to be like, well, what it's like to be famous is actually, you know, it's like, well, no, you're an influencer. I think that word is just like so icky.

[Jason Nash]

I don't think people. I don't think.

[David Dobrik]

Unless you are famous.

[Jason Nash]

Right, right, right. I mean, but I think it's so

[David Dobrik]

strange when people use it without like, without any sort of

[Jason Nash]

like.

[David Dobrik]

I think if you want to be a pop star.

[Jason Nash]

Irony.

[David Dobrik]

No. If you want to be a pop star.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Saying I want to be a successful musician I think is just the way to phrase it. That's the way to say it. Or I want to be a successful actor. I know, I know. It's like it's almost saying the same thing. And famous usually means that you've done a Good job. Most of the time. It means you're like, really good at your craft. I just think it, like, it's such an icky word for like being at the top of your level.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like, I think there's nothing wrong with wanting to be a.

[Jason Nash]

What? I saw this thing. I saw this guy, he was. He was on a.

[David Dobrik]

This is.

[Jason Nash]

This is your generation. I saw this guy, he was on like a reality show. He was on like a competition reality show and he like bombed his set on the competition reality show. It's a stand up show. Yeah, I saw the TikTok the next day and he's on TikTok saying, like, did I bomb my set last night? Yeah. Will I be back? Yeah. And I was like, wow. I was like, what hubris. Like, if that were me, and I bombed the set on Netflix, I go away for a while. You know what I mean? That's really like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't jump on TikTok.

[David Dobrik]

I don't think you would.

[Jason Nash]

No, I would. I'd be. I'd be crushed. But I just think that's like that generation now. It's like, just keep going, like, hey, man, bang my head against wall until it happens.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Nash]

You know, it's just like. I guess there's some value in that. So, like, hey, you can't knock me down 100.

[David Dobrik]

I mean, the, the number one person I think about that. Think of you can't knock me down.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Who is? Who?

[Jason Nash]

Who do you think can't knock me down

[David Dobrik]

in the social media world? I think of Logan Paul.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, I was gonna say that.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Yeah. I think he's just like the most, like. I think when I met him too, he's just like. And not in a bad way. Not just like.

[Jason Nash]

No.

[David Dobrik]

Like, I don't care what the, like, fucked up shit. I do. It's. It's. He's very much like, yeah, I'm just gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going. I'm keep going. Yeah, it's very, very crazy. I'm always like, damn, I wish I even had like an ounce of that. I'd be fucking. I'd be fucking impenetrable. Yeah, so it's. It's a really interesting quality to have.

[Jason Nash]

Do you have like, like bad thoughts during the day?

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, like when I kill myself?

[Jason Nash]

No, not like that. Well, I mean, that's another conversation. No, I guess we should probably focus on that, but. No. Do you have like, negative thoughts? Do you like negative thoughts and like, I'll wake Up. And I'll be like, I started having negative thoughts today about myself. And then I had. I was in my car, like. Like, everything's good. Everything's good. Be positive. Be positive. Do you have that? Because you're not supposed to do that.

[David Dobrik]

Like, letting negative thoughts in.

[Jason Nash]

Not supposed to let negative thoughts in at all.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, I see. I don't understand when people say that. Like, when they're like, don't. Like, like, I'll think a lot. Like, I'm getting sick.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

And they'd be like, you're manifesting it. I'm like, well, I'm just fucking panicking. What am I supposed to do?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

How do you not panic about being like.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, exactly.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah.

[Jason Nash]

How do you not say. Or I'll say something to Naveen. I'll be like. I'll be like, I'm fat. Like, making a joke. She's like, you're not allowed to say that.

[David Dobrik]

Well, it's different saying it.

[Jason Nash]

That's self.

[David Dobrik]

You control that. But, like, thinking it fucking stresses me out. Because when people are like, like, I'll get reoccurring headaches, right?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Like. Well, it's usually when you're stressed, right. And I'll be like, well, I don't like getting headaches because that makes me stressed. Because then I can't do my work and then it just feels like a revolving thing.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

So, like, will I be getting headaches all the time? Because I'm constantly stressed about getting headaches. Therefore, I will be getting headaches.

[Jason Nash]

But that's not negative thoughts. That's just. You're a little ocd, which is fine. I mean, everybody has that.

[David Dobrik]

I also have negative thoughts.

[Jason Nash]

Like, what?

[David Dobrik]

I want to kill myself. What's the next.

[Jason Nash]

David's now told him twice and Jason has ignored it.

[David Dobrik]

Jace, what's the negative thought that you have? I'll just be like.

[Jason Nash]

I'll just be like, I'm over. My career's over. I'm never gonna fucking do anything. My Instagram real tanked. Oh, my God. My YouTube video tanked.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, God damn it.

[Jason Nash]

I have this brand deal. It's not gonna do well. They're gonna take the deal away. Oh, my God, I'm fucking done.

[David Dobrik]

I think the difference between me and you for that is, like, you look at. You have kids also. You have a very different perspective. Yeah. But like, I've always looked at it, like, from when I was making a couple hundred bucks on YouTube.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

To making more to where I am at now that, like, oh, yeah. If it's over. Like, I know the things I love. Like, I love staying at home. I love playing video games, and I love hanging out with my friends.

[Jason Nash]

That gives you comfort. You're like, I could always go do the things I love.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. Like, worst case scenario, I'm chilling.

[Jason Nash]

I got to do that.

[David Dobrik]

And it's like. And it's like I. And I love, like, as much as I didn't like being a waiter, like, I still like interacting with people. Like, there's always gonna be a job that I'm going to do. And, like, will it pay, like, an outrageous amount? Maybe not. But, like, I don't. I don't know. It's never, like, really freaked me out.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

So maybe, maybe I don't have those negative thoughts that you have.

[Jason Nash]

No, you don't.

[David Dobrik]

I have them in different ways, but that's not how I think about this.

[Jason Nash]

How do you have them?

[David Dobrik]

Well, I can't really put them into perspective, I guess, because mainly it's about, like, headaches, getting sick, and, like, not getting enough rest. Like, I have a lot of anxiety about just not being healthy.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, yeah.

[David Dobrik]

It's just, like, constant.

[Jason Nash]

But do you live such a. You live a life where you're just, like, going so many places?

[David Dobrik]

Right. Which is why, like, it's horrible. Like, I hate that I think, like, that.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

I was thinking about the whoop the other day. You know, how, like, measures, like, your. Your sleep and shit?

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Do you think. First of all, I think that's crazy. I think it's crazy when people want to know if they're getting good night's sleep. Like, that just gives me so much anxiety. Like, I don't want to wake up thinking I had good night's sleep and then my fucking device tells me that I actually did it. I think it's like, the worst. The worst thing on the planet. Oh, yeah. I slept great. No, you didn't. Who the fuck are you? I have a little thing beeping on

[Jason Nash]

my wrist that's really funny. Has it ever happened?

[David Dobrik]

Of course. That's why I stopped wearing those things.

[Jason Nash]

Really?

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, because they would give me a sleep score and I'd be like, I don't. I do not want to see. Like, I. Like, I know how I slept. What is this?

[Jason Nash]

Are you sleeping well?

[David Dobrik]

So that's another thing.

[Jason Nash]

When do you get your best night's sleep? Like a hotel? Oh, your bed.

[David Dobrik]

My bed.

[Jason Nash]

The curtains close in your room.

[David Dobrik]

No, I wear an eye mask.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, yeah. You told me that.

[David Dobrik]

Which is crazy that I haven't I've lived here for four years. My curtains don't close all the way, and I haven't invested in it. I don't know why. I don't know what's wrong with me.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, that's interesting. You would think you'd have blackout curtains in that.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah, I'm going to do that, actually. I'm going to do that. Hold me to it. I'm going to do in the next. In the next month.

[Jason Nash]

I'll tell Tayo on the way out.

[David Dobrik]

Okay. Yeah, I think it's time. Yeah, it's time to make that room fucking dark.

[Jason Nash]

That's a big one.

[David Dobrik]

No matter what the cost.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah, you're right. You're right to be expensive, but it

[David Dobrik]

is, like, kind of the pinnacle of life is to get a good night's rest.

[Jason Nash]

It's everything.

[David Dobrik]

What the fuck am I doing?

[Jason Nash]

Did you sleep well last night?

[David Dobrik]

I can't wait to color be down because I'm going to get right on it, actually.

[Jason Nash]

Get her on the pod.

[David Dobrik]

No, I don't sleep well anymore. I like the last two months. This is fucking bizarre.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

Because I always used to make fun of people for this shit. Hey, when I wake up, that is it. Like, I. When I wake up, it's over.

[Jason Nash]

You don't go back to sleep.

[David Dobrik]

No, you can't. I wake up at like 8am Now.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, no.

[David Dobrik]

And I cannot go back to bed. If I go to the bathroom, I go to the bathroom. Like, throughout the night. A couple of times I've been going less because I drink less now.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

But like, if I go to the bathroom and I have to make it a very purposeful thing that I don't look at my phone.

[Jason Nash]

Right.

[David Dobrik]

The second I look at my phone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's over.

[Jason Nash]

That's big. It's all about your phone.

[David Dobrik]

And it never used to be like that. I don't know what's going on, but I think I've hit, like, a new point in my life I just can't handle.

[Jason Nash]

I think you're. I think you're pretty special guy.

[David Dobrik]

Thanks, man.

[Jason Nash]

And I would challenge you, and I think you can do this to, like, not look at your phone after 10 o'. Clock.

[David Dobrik]

Yeah. No, no, no. I think you're right.

[Jason Nash]

And you could even, like, put on a pod. You don't listen to a podcast, but put on the tv.

[David Dobrik]

I may put on the Views podcast.

[Jason Nash]

Do you know what I do?

[David Dobrik]

What?

[Jason Nash]

I have a laptop and I put on Kill Tony and I fall asleep to Kill Tony, Damn, it's nice, but I don't look at my phone in the middle of the night anymore.

[David Dobrik]

All right, I'm gonna try getting into that.

[Jason Nash]

And one more thing.

[David Dobrik]

Oh, guys, if also before we end the podcast, if anybody also has anybody that does blackout curtain shades, please let me know.

[Jason Nash]

And yes, and one more thing, A humidifier. Because you sleep in the heat and I think that's affecting.

[David Dobrik]

I don't.

[Jason Nash]

Oh, you don't anymore?

[David Dobrik]

I've changed.

[Jason Nash]

Is it cold?

[David Dobrik]

I now sleep at 68.

[Jason Nash]

Okay, let's take it down to 66 with blankets over you. Okay, Telling you.

[David Dobrik]

No, I will.

[Jason Nash]

And a little humidifier.

[David Dobrik]

Jay, I was at 74 two years ago.

[Jason Nash]

If you look at it, I'm very proud of you. I think that's really great. Oh, and also, if there's anyone that wants to sign up to in kind a restaurant, I am signing restaurants up. Dave.

[David Dobrik]

Wow, that's amazing.

[Jason Nash]

Can we get Dobrik's on there? Because it's a big payday for J Dog.

[David Dobrik]

Okay, yeah, I'll get Dobrik's on there for you.

[Jason Nash]

I already asked.

[David Dobrik]

Okay. All right, as long as we're on it.

[Jason Nash]

Yeah.

[David Dobrik]

All right, guys, that's all for the podcast for today's podcast. Thank you, Jason, Ash.

[Jason Nash]

Thanks, Nick.

[David Dobrik]

We will see you guys for the next one.

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