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Voices of Search Podcast

Episode: How to Stay Motivated to Keep Building

Date: March 17, 2026
Host: Benjamin Shapiro
Guest: Chris Golick, Founder & CEO, Channel 99 (Former founder of Demandbase)

Episode Overview

This episode centers on maintaining motivation in a relentless, fast-evolving field like SEO and marketing technology, especially when successful exits or setbacks could encourage founders to rest on their laurels or call it quits. Benjamin Shapiro interviews Chris Golick, serial entrepreneur and category pioneer, to uncover what keeps a successful founder building and driven after a major exit. The conversation also explores the broader meaning of success, unfinished business, and the intrinsic rewards of entrepreneurship beyond just monetary gains.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Motivation After a Major Exit

The Myth vs. Reality of “Cashing Out”
Benjamin asks Chris why he's kept building companies instead of retiring post-acquisition:

"You sold your first company for $380 million and pioneered an entire category with Demandbase. Why are you here and what stopped you from retiring to your lake house in Michigan?" — Benjamin Shapiro (03:23)

Chris’s response:
- No lake house in Michigan (joking about the cliché)
- Acknowledges how cold it is there, but loves visiting in summer
- His core driver: passion for the industry and for building companies
- Current work at Channel 99 stems from “unfinished business”—fulfilling the original vision for Demandbase
- Finds the process of building people and company culture deeply gratifying
- Takes pride in watching employees become friends and succeed, even after moving on to other companies
"It's just passion for the industry...the initial vision of the company was to be a supply chain solution for marketers. And so that's effectively what Channel 99 is—so it's a little bit of unfinished business. But I love building companies, the people culture. I love seeing employees that become best friends and go on. That's pretty gratifying for me." — Chris Golick (03:39)

Beyond Wealth: Redefining “The Result”

The Shift in Motivation Post-Success Benjamin probes whether Chris’s motivation has changed now that he doesn’t “have to” work:

“After the exit, how did that turn? You're obviously working. You said you have unfinished business, but it's not about the result for you. So, I want a little bit more about the motivation.” — Benjamin Shapiro (04:19)

Chris’s response:
- Motivation now centers around the people he works with and the impact on their families, not just his own financial gain
- Acknowledges that the financial takeaway is often less than outsiders assume (due to taxes and other factors)
"It's the result for the people I work with. It's, you know, result for families. There's a lot more motivation than just a financial one." — Chris Golick (04:49)
“Whatever you think somebody made out of something, cut it in half step.” — Chris Golick (04:49)
- Relates a humorous aside:
  
  “We never talk about the taxes after you sell your company.” — Benjamin Shapiro (05:06)
  "Yeah, that's what my mother would say. Right?" — Chris Golick (05:08)

The Power of People & Culture

Foundational Importance of Team and Relationships
- Chris repeatedly emphasizes the deep satisfaction from nurturing company culture and relationships.
- The emotional rewards of helping team members succeed and form lasting bonds outweigh any financial win.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On unfinished business and passion:

"It's just passion for the industry...That's effectively what Channel 99 is—so it's a little bit of unfinished business. But I love building companies, the people culture."
— Chris Golick (03:39)
On what keeps him motivated:

"It's the result for the people I work with. It's, you know, result for families. There's a lot more motivation than just a financial one."
— Chris Golick (04:49)
On financial myths:

“Whatever you think somebody made out of something, cut it in half step.”
— Chris Golick (04:49)
On the realities of entrepreneurship post-exit:

“We never talk about the taxes after you sell your company.”
— Benjamin Shapiro (05:06)
“Yeah, that's what my mother would say. Right?”
— Chris Golick (05:08)

Timestamps for Key Segments

03:23 – Motivation to keep building after a big exit
03:39 – Passion for the industry & “unfinished business”
04:19–04:49 – Shift in motivation post-success; impact on people and families
05:06–05:08 – Anecdote on the reality of financial outcomes after company sales

Tone & Style

The episode maintains a conversational, candid, and lightly humorous tone. Chris’s responses are grounded, relatable, and honest, balancing vision with practicality. Benjamin’s questions are probing but friendly, yielding personal insights beyond standard business talk.

Summary

For marketing, SEO, or entrepreneurship enthusiasts seeking actionable inspiration, this episode explores what really drives high-performing founders to keep building—well beyond personal wealth. Listeners are reminded that passion for craft, care for colleagues, and the desire to finish what you started can be the most powerful motivators in a challenging field.

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[00:00]
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[00:26]
Benjamin Shapiro
From advertising to software as a service to data across all of our programs and clients, we've seen a 55 to 65% open rate. Getting brands authentically integrated into content performs better than TV advertising. Typical lifespan of an article is about 24 to 36 hours. We're reaching out to the right person with the right message and a clear call to action. Then it's just a matter of timing.
[00:54]
Podcast Network Announcer
Welcome to the Martech Podcast, a member of the I Hear Everything Podcast Network. In this podcast you'll hear the stories of world class marketers that use technology to drive business results and achieve career success. Here's the host of the Martech Podcast, Benjamin Shapiro
[01:16]
Benjamin Shapiro
I'm Benjamin Shapiro and joining me today is Chris Golick, the former founder of Demandbase and the current founder and CEO of Channel 99, a company that is solving marketing attribution challenges by revealing the source of three times the website visitors compared to your industry standards. And today Chris is going to explain how to illuminate the dark funnel problem that is costing you millions in misattributed revenue.
[01:43]
Pre Visible Sponsor
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[03:11]
Benjamin Shapiro
All right, Chris, I want to move on to our lightning round where I'm going to ask you a couple of questions about your career, attribution, demand generation. We're going to spin the wheel and see what comes up.
[03:21]
Pre Visible Sponsor
Are you ready?
[03:23]
Chris Golick
Sure.
[03:23]
Benjamin Shapiro
All right, question number one. We're going to talk a little bit about motivation. You sold your first company for $380 million and pioneered an entire category with demand base. Why are you here and what stopped you from retiring to your lake house in Michigan?
[03:39]
Chris Golick
Yeah, well, I don't have a lake house in Michigan and it's really cold there, but I do like to go there in the summer. It's a beautiful place. It's just passion for the. The industry. And, you know, when I started Demand based, the initial vision of the company was to be a supply chain solution for marketers. And so that's effectively what channel 99 is. So it's a little bit of unfinished business. But I love building companies, the people culture. I love seeing, like, employees that become best friends and go on. They might go on to different companies. And that's pretty gratifying for me.
[04:20]
Benjamin Shapiro
For most of us, we're on the other side not having had this giant windfall. And so we're still earning and working with A, because we have to, and B, because we also have something to prove. After the exit, how did that turn? You're obviously working. You said you have unfinished business, but it's not about the result for you. So, you know, I want a little bit more about the motivation. And again, like, it's the result for
[04:50]
Chris Golick
the people I work with. It's, you know, result for families. You know, there's a lot more motivation than just a financial one. So, you know, I'd also say whatever you think somebody made out of something, cut it in half step.
[05:06]
Benjamin Shapiro
We never talk about the taxes after you sell your company.
[05:09]
Chris Golick
Yeah, that's what my mother would say. Right? Yeah.
[05:12]
Benjamin Shapiro
All right, that wraps up this episode of the Martech Podcast. Thanks to Chris Golick, the CEO and founder of Channel 99, for joining us. If you'd like to contact Chris, you can find a link to his LinkedIn profile in our show notes or on martechpod.com or you can visit his company's website at channel99.com and if you haven't subscribed yet and you want a daily stream of marketing and technology knowledge in your podcast feed, hit the subscribe button in your podcast app, and we'll be back in your feed next week. All right, that's it for today. But until next time, my advice is to just focus on keeping your customers happy.