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Alzo Slade
From NPR in WBEZ Chicago, this is. Wait, wait, don't tell me, the NPR News quiz. Hey there, Salt Lake City. Your lake might be salty, but my voice is so sweet. I'm Alzo Slade, and here's your host at Abravanelle hall in Salt Lake City, Utah, Peter Sagle.
Peter Sagal
Thank you. Also, thank you, everybody. Thank you so much. We are so delighted to be back here. Salt Lake City once had a reputation of being a sleepy little town where people were incredibly well behaved. Not anymore. And that may be due in great part to the huge success of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Now today, we are going to be joined by the realest of those Real Housewives, Heather Gay. And if we play our cards right, this may be the first ever. Wait, wait. Where I get a glass of wine thrown in my face. But right now it's your turn to turn to the camera and introduce yourself. The number to call is 1-888-WAIT-WAIT. That's 1-888-924-8924. It's time to welcome our first listener contestant. Hi. You're in. Wait, wait, don't tell me.
Madeline
Hi, Peter.
Peter Sagal
This is Madeline.
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I'm calling from Brooklyn, New York.
Peter Sagal
Oh, Brooklyn. Well, people here have heard of it. What do you do there? So I just graduated from the City.
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University of New York, and very soon I will begin practicing as a clinical and a research audiologist.
Peter Sagal
So I'll be working with patients who.
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Have hearing loss and who use hearing aids and cochlear implants and trying to learn more about how they experience sound.
Peter Sagal
Well, that's great. You're gonna bring hearing to people who don't have it. Exactly.
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That's the goal.
Peter Sagal
Well, we appreciate your help in building our audience. Let me introduce you to our panel this week, Madeline. First up, she's a writer and comedian who most recently wrote for Clean Slate, available to watch on Amazon. Now, it's Shantira Jackson. Next, he's a reporter at the Washington Post, where he writes this Stage Style Memo newsletter. It's Shane o'. Neill.
Shantira Jackson
Hello, Madeline.
Peter Sagal
How are you? Hi, Shane. And he's the host of the daily podcast TBTL and the public radio variety show Livewire, which will be at the Fitzgerald Theater in St. Paul on September 26th. It's Luke Burbank what up, Madeline? So, Madeline, welcome to the show. You're going to play who's Alzo this time? Alzo Slate, filling in for Bill Curtis, is going to read you three quotations from this week's news. If you can identify just two of them, you'll win our prize, which is any voice from our show in your voicemail. You ready to play?
Shane O'Neill
I'm ready.
Peter Sagal
Okay, your first quote is from the New York Times.
Alzo Slade
If you spent your childhood struggling to do chin ups in gym class, brace yourself.
Peter Sagal
That was an expert in childhood health. Talking about the president's announcement this week that he is bringing back What? Oh, God.
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The Presidential Fitness Challenge.
Peter Sagal
Yes, the Presidential Fitness Challenge. You remember from your own school days, they told you to run a mile, to do a certain number of pull ups, push ups, and other exercises, and you failed.
Luke Burbank
If anybody did well at that, they would not be in this theater.
Peter Sagal
Exactly. Right now. I mean, including us. It's a test that did traumatize elementary school kids for decades, including us, but it did serve a purpose. The kids who did well went on to excel in sports. The ones who didn't all went into public radio.
Shantira Jackson
Do you remember part of the test was like a flexibility test where it was like a red thing that you.
Peter Sagal
Had to, like, bend? Yes. Oh, God, yes. That was called the touch box. Oh, okay.
Shantira Jackson
I remember it as the day I found out I'm not flexible, but I'm great at farting.
Peter Sagal
Actually, it was actually called the sit and reach box. The sit and reach box.
Shantira Jackson
Oh, that's something else.
Luke Burbank
In my community, I was a very, like. I was a very sort of naive, like, suggestible kid. So when I heard it was the President's Fitness challenge in the 80s, I assumed that right after I did the shuttle run at Daniel Bagley Elementary School in Seattle, the results were immediately airlifted to President Ronald Reagan.
Peter Sagal
Right.
Luke Burbank
For him to analyze.
Peter Sagal
Right? Oh, yeah.
Luke Burbank
It was a lot of pressure, the President.
Peter Sagal
And then the problem was, it was like, pass, fail. Either you failed like I did, but a very few people passed and got the Presidential Fitness Medal. And that's the problem. The standard was too high. Maybe some people don't get presidential fitness, but they get gubernatorial fitness. And, hey, you know, I can just imagine someone saying to me as a little pudgy boy, hey, Peter, there's nothing wrong with comptroller fitness. All right, your next quote is from a restaurant critic for the San Francisco Chronicle.
Alzo Slade
Is purse tuna ever okay?
Peter Sagal
That was critic Mackenzie Chung Fagan on the new trend of people bringing their own What? When they go out to eat. Bringing their own food? Yes, bringing their own food. And you said it in just the right way. Bringing their own food. Yes. More and more diners are sneaking their own food into restaurants. Some establishments say that's a daily occurrence. That's why waiters are saying, have you dined with us before? Have you dined anywhere before? But surely you're thinking, okay, they just bringing in small things, like their own hot sauce. Right? No. To quote, one chef, one lady pulled a whole rotisserie chicken out of her purse.
Shane O'Neill
We're mad at her. I'm impressed. Okay, what kind of bag is it? Cause I want one.
Shantira Jackson
Is the idea that, like, people have allergies?
Peter Sagal
Well, that's the thing. Like, why are they doing it? Okay. Some people are like gym bros. They want to bring their own, you know, protein. One fitness coach said, quote, I went to a restaurant the other day with some friends, and I brought my own food. And there's nothing wrong with that, unquote. And at this point, we should mention, yes, there is.
Luke Burbank
Listen, Peter, this is. This is America. I wouldn't want to live in a state that didn't let you stand your ground beef that you like to bring in to the Wendy's.
Peter Sagal
But.
Shane O'Neill
But fitness people eat food that nobody wants. This is helping the restaurant.
Peter Sagal
Yeah. Weird.
Shane O'Neill
They bring, like, salmon with no seasoning and boiled broccoli. You bring that to a restaurant, I'll probably look at the men and be like, whatever is not that.
Peter Sagal
Do you really think, like, cooks are, like, looking out the window from the kitchen and seeing somebody bringing their own food and going, thank goodness one more person I don't have to cook for.
Shantira Jackson
Well, as a former waitress, I would much rather someone just brought their own food in than tried to, like, put a million substitutes onto a million things.
Peter Sagal
Yeah, I see.
Shantira Jackson
Go for it.
Peter Sagal
One pizzeria reported people sneaking in pizza from another pizzeria.
Luke Burbank
Okay.
Peter Sagal
Which actually seems, like, aggressive. Right.
Luke Burbank
That's a little over the line. You should be allowed to bring in any food that is not the literal food they serve at the place.
Peter Sagal
Right. That's the rule.
Alzo Slade
But that's just a different version of a Yelp review. That's just to let them know that their food is trash.
Shantira Jackson
But this is making me paranoid. I'm wondering how many people here are listening to Fresh Air right now on their AirPods.
Luke Burbank
Oh, yeah, good point.
Peter Sagal
Oh, wow. Your last quote is from a reporter at Slate. In response to some really big news in the tabloids this week, I'm ready.
Alzo Slade
To forgive A space flight or two for this.
Peter Sagal
That was the reaction to the news that Katy Perry, singer and one time astronaut, might be dating which former Canadian Prime Minister? Oh, Justin Trudeau. No. Stephen Harper. I'm kidding. No. Yes, Justin Trudeau. Everybody is all over this story from TMZ to the New York Times. But it was page six, of course, of the New York Post that first reported that Katy Perry and the heartthrob politician were seen dining together having a, quote, thoughtful conversation. What a fascinating couple, Trudeau and Katy Perry. We know one of them is too good for the other, but we can't.
Luke Burbank
Figure out which one. This does feel like a rom com that should be starring Anne Hathaway. Like a pop singer who just got back from space and a devastatingly handsome world leader who is single for some reason. You know what I mean? This doesn't feel like real life. This feels like a plot.
Shane O'Neill
Does she want to date him or does she just want to move to Canada?
Peter Sagal
That's possible.
Luke Burbank
And would they consider a throuple. I'm trying to get out of here.
Shantira Jackson
Well, what I want is like a Freaky Friday where they switch bodies and Justin Trudeau has to, you know, whatever, do whatever he can. Katy Perry does get made fun of by gay people on the Internet and Katy Perry has to go be the Prime Minister. Who's no longer the prime minister.
Peter Sagal
Exactly.
Shane O'Neill
I think Justin Trudeau also gets made fun of by gay people on the Internet.
Peter Sagal
Oh, gay people don't. They're not smart enough.
Shane O'Neill
They make fun of everybody.
Peter Sagal
Also, how did Madelaine do in our quiz?
Alzo Slade
She did. Fantastic. Three out of three.
Peter Sagal
Congratulations, Madelaine. Thank you so much. Well done. Thanks for calling and good luck with that new career. It sounds great. Thank you so much, Peter. Take care. You too. Bye. Bye. And now, panel, I have some questions for you about this week's news. Luke, A new snack brand promoting nostalgic flavors is selling potato chips that taste like what?
Luke Burbank
Mothballs. I'm trying to think of the strongest sense memory from my childhood and it's probably mothballs. It's a nostalgic. It's a taste that's nostalgic.
Peter Sagal
A flavor, well, like a sensation on your tongue.
Luke Burbank
Can I get a decade?
Peter Sagal
If this succeeds in the marketplace, it will be shocking.
Luke Burbank
Ah, batteries.
Peter Sagal
Yes. It tastes like licking a battery.
Shane O'Neill
Yes, it's all coming back to me now.
Luke Burbank
We didn't have a lot of activities growing up where I did, and eventually.
Peter Sagal
You got tired of licking the mothballs, so you looked at the battery.
Luke Burbank
Testing was a big thing.
Peter Sagal
Yeah. So licking 9 volt battery was a rite of passage for stupid kids everywhere. And that sharp metallic jolt is now a potato chip flavor. Bet you can eat just one. A European chip company that calls itself Rewind for the nostalgic flavors is releasing electric 9 volt battery chips. It's a taste that makes you say, wow, are these just normal salt and vinegar potato chips with a picture of a battery in the bag?
Luke Burbank
Do they have one that tastes like your mom has a new friend who stays over?
Peter Sagal
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Alzo Slade
NPR and WBEZ Chicago, this is. Wait, wait, don't tell me. The NPR News quiz. I'm Alzo Slade. We're playing this week with Luke Burbank, Shantira Jackson, and Shane o'. Neal. And here again is your host at Abravanelle hall in Salt Lake City, Utah, Peter Sagal.
Peter Sagal
Thank you, Aldo. Thanks, everybody. Thank you so much. Now it's time for the Wait, wait, don't tell me. Bluff the listener game. Call 1-888-WAIT-WAIT. To play our game on the air, you can always check out the pinned posts on our Instagram page. That's atweightnpr. How you run. Wait, wait, don't tell me.
Madeline
Hi, this is Tara Casey from Richmond, Virginia.
Peter Sagal
Hey, Tara, we love Richmond. We were there just earlier than this year. What do you do there?
Madeline
I am on the faculty of the.
Peter Sagal
University of Richmond School of Law. Right. What is it like teaching law these days? Is it like the first class is like, guys, whatever, try something, they might go for it?
Madeline
Yeah. I'm thinking about adding choose your own.
Peter Sagal
Adventure books to my syll. Well, Tara, it's nice to have you with us. You're going to play the game in which you have to tell truth from fiction. Alza. What's Tara's topic?
Alzo Slade
Seborga.
Peter Sagal
We learned a new word this week, Seborga. S E B O R G A. And no, we will not use it in a sentence. We're going to use it in a bunch of sentences right now because our panelists are each going to tell you who or what seborga is and why it's in the news. Pick the one who's telling the truth and you'll win. The waiter waiter of your choice on your voicemail.
Madeline
Are you ready to play as Elda and Burpee?
Peter Sagal
Okay. Well then let's do it. We'll hear first from Shantira Jackson.
Shane O'Neill
In the high mountains of Sweden, there is a small village that makes some of the world's rarest cheese. Sborga. Seborga is a semi hard cheese made from reindeer milk. And right now it's going extinct. You see, the cheese is so rare because it can only be made in the high altitude of this village with reindeer milk that can only be harvested for three months of the year by someone small hands. Since the 1800s, the delicate milking of reindeer has always been done by children because they have the smallest hands. So it became a tradition in the village that every summer children between the ages of 8 and 12 would spend the month of July milking reindeer. But these days, kids have other things they want to do in the summer, like sports and travel and not working in a shed all day. After decades, the supply of Saborga is running dangerously low, since the only people left during milking season are a few women and even fewer men with hands like small children. Each wheel is currently on the market for $10,000 a pop. This week, the Saborga Producers Collective announced that the cheese would be completely extinct by 2030.
Peter Sagal
Soborga, a reindeer cheese. Better get yours now. Your next Seborga's saga comes from Luke.
Luke Burbank
Burbank, India's capital city of Delhi, has more than 100 diplomatic missions in it France, Japan, the US Seborga? Wait, you've never heard of Seborga? Well, clearly you've never visited the fancy looking building that Harshvardarn Jain, known as Baron H.V. jain to his friends, was running until Indian police arrested Jain for falsely claiming to be the ambassador of of Seborga, which doesn't not sound like a word the Swedish chef from the Muppet says a lot. Police say Jane simply rented the house and the cars and declared himself a diplomat, assuming no one would google the countries he claimed to represent, which also included Westarctica and Pulbia Ladonia. And honestly, the Baron was kind of right, getting away with the scam for some seven years, police say. It is unclear when things began to unravel for Jane, but it could have been when someone at the police station actually said the word Seborga out loud and then thought about it for like three seconds.
Peter Sagal
Seborga. A fake country that a man successfully pretended to be a diplomat from for seven years in India. And your last tale of Seborga comes from Shane o'. Neill.
Shantira Jackson
Last week, after winning a soccer match, Lithuanian soccer star Ruta Schlarb showed up to a press conference with makeup smudges around her eyes. When asked why she wore makeup to the mat, she replied, once in a while, mascara just gives me a confidence boost.
Peter Sagal
Saborga.
Shantira Jackson
Saborga. What was Saborga? It's a bit of slang that is now broken into the mainstream. So you know when men want to express emotion without seeming gay, they say no homo. But what do you say when you've done something boring or cliche or tacky and you want to make sure everyone knows you are gay in Lithuania, you say Saborga. The phrase, which directly translates to I persist in my lifestyle, was once only used in Lithuanian gay bars. Now it's spreading all over the capital city of Vinius, for example, I hope my cousin asks me to be her maid of honor. Saborga. Or actually, I haven't seen the set list yet from Lady Gaga's current tour, Saborga.
Peter Sagal
All right, so Soborga showed up in the news this week, and it means one of these three things is Saborga from Shantira, a rare reindeer milk cheese that's going to go out of the world soon because we don't have enough children to milk the reindeer. From Luke Burbank, a fictional country that a man successfully pretended to represent earning fortune and some fame in New Delhi for seven years. Or from Shane o', Neill, a slang phrase from Lithuanian that people are using to mean, hey, don't worry, I'm still gay.
Madeline
Oh, my goodness.
Peter Sagal
I think I'm going to try for the New Delhi scam. The New Delhi scam. Luke's story. All right, well, to bring you the true story, we hear from a reporter who covered it. He presented himself as the ambassador of West Arctica, as well as Segorgia, Bolivia and lndonia. That was Rachesha Sehgal who covered the story for Wion and in India. Congratulations, Tara. You got it right. You earned a point for Luke just by telling the truth. You won our prize, the voice of your choice on your voicemail, perhaps Singh Saborga. Thank you so much for playing with us today.
Madeline
Thank you so much, y'.
Peter Sagal
All. Bye. Bye. And now, the game we call Not My Job. Aficionados of the Real Housewives franchise on Bravo say the jewel in that particular crown is Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And the fan favorite among that group is Heather Gay, Right. Known on the show for her humor, her reverence, her mischief, and for calling out fellow housewives on camera for their deceptions. She's the author of one New York Times bestseller, Bad Mormon, and has another hitting the shelves now. Good time girl, Heather Gay. Welcome to Wait. Wait.
Madeline
Thank you for having me.
Peter Sagal
It's so great to have you. I want to compliment you for dressing the part.
Madeline
Thank you.
Peter Sagal
Thank you. Right. Do you always feel the need to do that when you go out around town? Otherwise people will be disappointed if they run into you wearing some shmata.
Madeline
I often am around town wearing a shmada, and I am just trying to, you know, I have three daughters. I try to, like, still be a housewife as much as possible, but when it's a special occasion, a bucket list moment to be here on. Wait, wait, don't tell me. Yes, I show up and show out.
Peter Sagal
I. You do? Yeah. Now, it seems to be that everyone I know who loves the franchise says that Salt Lake City is the best Real Housewives show. Why is that?
Madeline
We are all pretty real, and I think Salt Lake City keeps us real. Like we're all each other has in this community. And we have grown up here, we have lived here, we have roots here, and we are just messed up enough to keep it interesting.
Peter Sagal
Right. Do you think you are representative of the Housewives of Salt Lake City? Like a random sample could have ended up with the same cast?
Madeline
Yes, I feel like we are representative of the Housewives of Salt Lake City. There's a little something for everybody.
Peter Sagal
There you go. Now, I just want to make everybody clear to people who aren't familiar, this is not Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Okay. Different show. For someone who's new to it, how would you tell the two shows apart?
Madeline
I would say that we are the Mighty Oak, and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is the acorn that fell and sprouted as a result of us.
Peter Sagal
Whoa. Oh, wow.
Shane O'Neill
You gotta tell them. Tell.
Madeline
We proved the market, and we created, you know, a little bit of Mormonism in the zeitgeist.
Peter Sagal
Yes.
Madeline
And created intrigue.
Peter Sagal
I think that that Mighty Oak is casting some shade. So Housewives shows are known for the Housewives starting the show every season by turning to the camera. Right. And giving your opening, like, line. Was there a technical term for that? The opening.
Madeline
It's called your tagline.
Peter Sagal
Your tagline?
Madeline
Yeah, your season tagline.
Peter Sagal
Can you share some the of yours?
Madeline
My first one was just like my pioneer ancestors, I'm trying to blaze a new trail.
Peter Sagal
That shoulder rotation is so important.
Madeline
And then I think season two was. I was raised Mormon, but now I'm raising a glass of champagne.
Peter Sagal
That's good.
Madeline
Yeah, I've had a couple. I've had six now.
Peter Sagal
No.
Madeline
Yeah, six.
Peter Sagal
Wow. Do you workshop them? Do you try them?
Madeline
No, they're assigned. No, no, you're allowed to contribute ideas, but they shut those down immediately.
Peter Sagal
Wait a minute. My world has been rocked. Somebody wrote that for you?
Madeline
Well, I had alluded so much to my pioneer ancestry that it kind of wrote itself in a weird way. But, yeah, like, they, you know, and you can kind of like, they'll give you three or four to keep you guessing, and you can kind of try to mess up the ones that, you know you don't like that don't represent you fully.
Peter Sagal
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
Do you remember any of the bad ones? The ones you tried to kind of fumble?
Madeline
Well, they're usually picked. I remember, like, I may Be a bad Mormon. But I'm always a good time. And I think I said that in a funny way. And they to used the funny way, which made it invariably worse.
Shantira Jackson
Heather, huge fan. So glad you're here.
Madeline
Love you.
Shantira Jackson
I cannot believe that my worlds are quieting like this. Would you indulge me? Could I workshop a tagline?
Madeline
Anything, please.
Shantira Jackson
I don't.
Heather Gay
Wait, wait.
Shantira Jackson
But I always tell.
Peter Sagal
There you go. I love it.
Madeline
And then I turn.
Shantira Jackson
It's pretty good.
Peter Sagal
Very good.
Madeline
The Ben would have been pretty good.
Peter Sagal
If the world could have seen. Shane, your smoldering glass. Thank you. That would have been awesome.
Shantira Jackson
And I am willing to relocate to Salt Lake City.
Peter Sagal
You have a new book called Good Time Girl.
Madeline
Yes.
Peter Sagal
And this book is sort of a recounting of your various exploits, presumably once you left the LDS church. Can you give everybody sort of a taste, a sample of the stories you tell. Your new book, Good Time Girl.
Madeline
My senior trip to Tijuana, where I discovered that I might be more of a Good Time girl than I anticipated. As one does in Tijuana.
Shane O'Neill
Yes, it's right there in the name.
Peter Sagal
Yeah.
Madeline
And I thought I was having the most worldly foreign experience of my life.
Peter Sagal
Tijuana.
Madeline
Right. But then I later went on a mission for my church in the south of France, which ended up being even more of an adventure.
Peter Sagal
It's amazing. I didn't realize that you had gone on an LDS mission to the south of France. If only the church had not sent you to a place with wine.
Madeline
Yes, the land of love. And I was preaching celibacy. And how'd that go for living? Not so great. Not so great. Not so receptive. The news was actually closed down.
Peter Sagal
When in Provence.
Madeline
Yeah, don't be Mormon.
Peter Sagal
That's what they say. Well, Heather Gay, we could talk to you all day, I think. But we have asked you to play a game we're calling Good Time Girl.
Alzo Slade
Meet Good Crime Girl.
Peter Sagal
As you know, some women aren't as virtuous as you, and they cross the bright red line of the law. So we're gonna ask you three questions about female criminals. Answer two correctly, you'll win our prize for one of our listeners. Also, who is Heather Gay playing for?
Alzo Slade
Melissa Snyder of Mill Creek, Utah.
Shane O'Neill
I love Mill Creek.
Peter Sagal
There you go. Everybody does. So here's your first question. A woman in Florida took a lift to a gas station, robbed it, and then when tried to get back in the Lyft, the driver refused. So what did the woman then do? A gave the driver one star and sent a Detailed complaint to Lyft. B, returned all the stolen goods, gave up on the robbers, and got back in the car. Or C, just called an Uber instead because they'll do anything.
Madeline
Well, I'm wondering if the lift had a pink mustache attached to the fender or not, because that could be a factor as an Uber fan. I'm gonna go with C. You're gonna go with Uber?
Peter Sagal
Yes. That's what she did.
Madeline
I'm applauding for myself. We have to do that on Housewives because no one else.
Peter Sagal
The Lyft driver called the police, and the police found her waiting for the Uber she had ordered. All right, very good. Here's your next question. A Massachusetts woman convicted of making and possessing cocaine, meth, LSD, and other drugs in 2016 got sent to prison, but also, of course, lost her job. What was her job? A, she was the president of dare, the police program to encourage kids not to use drugs. B, the scientist in charge of drug testing for police across the state of Massachusetts. Or C, Harvard law professor.
Madeline
I'm just gonna, like, zero in on the making of and assume that there is some scientific background for the chemical creation of such a litany of drugs, which I'm completely unfamiliar with.
Shane O'Neill
Absolutely.
Peter Sagal
Wait a minute. Let me quickly check the index of your new book.
Madeline
I'm a Good time Girl, not a great time girl.
Peter Sagal
Okay.
Luke Burbank
We'll know our limits.
Madeline
So I'm gonna go with B.
Peter Sagal
You're gonna go with B. That's right. She was in charge of drug testing. She says that she went to work high on cocaine every day for eight years. Wow.
Madeline
She sounds like a real housewife.
Peter Sagal
All right, you're doing great. Let's go for perfect. One of the most famous lady lawbreakers of all time was Mob Barker, whose kids and husband were part of a notorious gang of bank robbers back in the 1930s. But she was also a beloved cultural figure, as evidenced by what? A, Barker House Rolls, based on her family recipe, which were later changed to Parker House Rolls because of her bad press. B. B, people came out to have picnics while watching her final shootout with the FBI. Or C, while on the run, she got an endorsement deal from Smith and Wesson, which she called, quote, Mama's Little Helper.
Madeline
I mean, I believe that Angie Dickinson started a movie called Big Bad mama in the 70s. Was that based on Mama Barker?
Peter Sagal
I don't know.
Madeline
Well, I only could watch it when my parents were at home on HBO in segments. So I'm going to go with B.
Peter Sagal
You're gonna go with B? They came out to watch her have her shootout. That's right. Wow. It happened.
Madeline
Don't challenge me with perfection. I will take it.
Peter Sagal
It happened naturally in Florida. And the shootout with the FBI lasted so long, the people were like, oh, this'll be fun. And they packed a picnic lunch and they came out and they watched the gunfight. Wow. Yeah.
Shane O'Neill
Well, I mean, you got it right. And that just goes to show you kids, please stay up late and sneak and watch hbo. Yeah, right. You'll be a winner.
Madeline
It's good to be gleaned from rated R movies.
Peter Sagal
Yeah. There you go. Also, how did Heather Gay do in our quiz?
Alzo Slade
She did criminally well. 3 out of 3.
Peter Sagal
Heather Gay is an author, but of course, one of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Her new book, good Time Girl, is available now. Please give it up for Heather Gay. Thank you so much for being on metal. Yeah. In just a minute, Alzo has a new use for your YoPlay in the Listener Limerick challenge. Call 1 Triple 8 wait, wait to play. We'll be back in a minute with more. Wait, wait, don't tell me. From npr.
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Alzo Slade
From NPR and WBEZ Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, don't tell Me. The NPR News quiz. I'm Alzo Slade. We're playing this week with Shantira Jackson, Luke Burbank and Shane o'.
Peter Sagal
Neal.
Alzo Slade
And here again is your host at Abravanel hall in Salt Lake City, Utah, Peter Sagal.
Peter Sagal
Thank you. Also thank you, everybody. In just a minute, we will play the Listener Limerick Challenge, or as I like to call it, the Listener Limerick Opportunity. If you'd like to play, give us a call at 1-88-wait, wait. That's 1-888-924-89-2,4, right. Now, panel, I have some more questions for you from this week's news, Shantira. According to a new study, every time you do what? You take exactly 36 minutes off your lifespan.
Shane O'Neill
Eat too many cheeseburgers.
Peter Sagal
Oh, it's eating something. And it's not cheeseburgers. It's something else. I'll give you a hint. Everybody needs to say their farewells to Joey Chestnut.
Shane O'Neill
Oh, a hot dog.
Peter Sagal
A hot dog. Yes.
Shane O'Neill
No, I love hot dog.
Peter Sagal
Well, I got bad news, but it's statistically exact news. We've always been told that junk food shortens your life. Okay. But a group of scientists claim to have actually quantified it down to the minute. Using diet and disease data from around the world, they've concluded that each hot dog shortens your Life by exactly 36 minutes.
Shane O'Neill
I might die tonight.
Peter Sagal
Okay. And that's bad. But can we choose? Which 36 minutes.
Luke Burbank
Do they factor in? Like people that choke on a piece of hot dog and maybe die? Because as a person who lives alone, this is a big thing I think about now, which is choking. I'm sometimes eating something in my house that goes down wrong, and I think this could be the end.
Peter Sagal
It doesn't. I don't think it includes that. That doesn't. Who slip on hot dogs in the floor or get stabbed by an ink.
Luke Burbank
None of those are. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Shane O'Neill
I'll be honest. Honest.
Peter Sagal
Yes.
Shane O'Neill
A good hot dog at a baseball game is worth dying for.
Peter Sagal
What a way to go. I'm not gonna lie. Shantyra. Mariah Carey.
Shane O'Neill
Yes.
Peter Sagal
That's all the question. I just want to mention.
Shane O'Neill
That's enough for me. That is enough for me.
Peter Sagal
Mariah Carey. Shantera says that she no longer acknowledges what concept?
Shane O'Neill
Oh, time.
Peter Sagal
Exactly. Right? What? You just knew that?
Shane O'Neill
I knew that because that's my friend in my head.
Peter Sagal
Yeah. She doesn't even have a watch. She just looks at her own wrist and knows all is right with the world. In a recent interview, Mariah Carey confirmed that she does not believe in the passage of time, explaining, quote, I just don't believe in it. Yeah, you know what that is?
Luke Burbank
That's a sweet, sweet fantasy, baby.
Peter Sagal
I mean, this is just a ruse to convince us all that Christmas time is an illusion. And we have to listen to that damn song every day.
Shane O'Neill
I will.
Peter Sagal
You're a fan.
Shane O'Neill
Yeah, I have taste. I like women who can sing well, and she sings better than well. And that. Props to the queen.
Peter Sagal
Oh, yeah.
Shane O'Neill
She can't dance, though. Everybody has their thing. You can't have it all, baby. You can't have it all.
Alzo Slade
Maybe she doesn't believe in the concept of rhythm either.
Shane O'Neill
She sings on the twos and fours and she dances on the ones and threes.
Peter Sagal
Shane, we learned this week that one in three people claim they have watted their managers at work.
Shantira Jackson
Texted their managers.
Peter Sagal
No. Dated. Yes, dated. One in three people say they have dated their manager or supervisor at work. That is a staggering statistic. How am I supposed to keep up with all that gossip? Fast Company magazine looked into it because of that infamous Coldplay couple. Right? They wanted to see how common this is. And according to one anonymous survey of 1,000 employees, 320 of them said that they had had an affair with with a boss or manager. That is unsettling.
Shane O'Neill
No, I never wanted to date anybody at the Banana Republic. I was working at.
Luke Burbank
Bumpy's Fruit and Yogurt was not exactly a target rich environment for 17 year old Luke Burbank.
Peter Sagal
It did also say though that in addition to that 1/3 dating their boss statistic, 8 in 10 people said they had used flirting or suggestion behavior to successfully get ahead at work. So, good news. The reason you didn't get that promotion isn't that you're incompetent. It's that you're an uggo. Peter. Wow.
Shantira Jackson
Is that true?
Peter Sagal
Are you joking? I'm blushing. Shane, you're funny.
Shane O'Neill
It's working its way.
Luke Burbank
If Shane wins this week, I am filing a complaint.
Peter Sagal
Coming up. It's lightning. Fill in the blank. But first, it's the game where you have to listen for the rhyme. If you want to play on air, call or leave a message at 1-888-WAIT, WAIT, that's 1-888-924-8924. You can see us most weeks at the Studebaker Theater back home in Chicago or catch us on the road will be at Tanglewood in western Massachusetts on August 28th and the fabulous Fox Theater in St. Louis on September 18th. For tickets and information to all our live shows, go to nprpresents.org hi, everyone. Wait, wait, don't tell me. Hi, this is Rachel Benzoni and I am from Omaha, Nebraska. Omaha's a great place. What do you do there? Well, I actually just turned in my PhD dissertation and I will graduate in two weeks. Hey, congratulations. What is your PhD in? It's about science teacher leadership on TikTok.
Luke Burbank
Nice.
Peter Sagal
Yes. Whoa. You have a doctorate in TikTok? Better believe it. Whoa. Well, Dr. Rachel Alzo Slade, right here filling in for Bill Curtis, is going to read you three news related limericks with the last word or phrase missing from each other. If you can fill in that last word or phrase correctly and two of the limericks will be a winner. Ready to go? Definitely. Here's your first limerick.
Alzo Slade
These heat waves are leaving me so hurt. So I sit around all day with no shirt. A white milky paste can cool down my place. I slather my windows with.
Peter Sagal
Please tell me it's not yogurt. It is yogurt. A professor of quote, healthy buildings in Britain says he successfully lowered the inside temperature of her house by 8 degrees just by slathering the windows with yogurt. I guess he had given up trying to get the building to eat the yogurt for its health. The yogurt film does let in some light, so if you're trying to sleep in, you definitely want to use the blackout yogurt.
Shantira Jackson
I mean, I think the temperature drops when people leave a place.
Peter Sagal
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
Like your family.
Peter Sagal
Yeah.
Luke Burbank
Are you okay? Would it work with cottage cheese? Because that sounds good actually to me.
Peter Sagal
Then you get the dappled light coming on. Exactly. Here is your next limerick.
Alzo Slade
When she's snacking in bed, she's all thumbs. But Tyra won't waist those yum yums. Broken cookies and chips pass right through her lips. She'll pick up and eat all those crumbs.
Peter Sagal
Crumbs. That's right. On the Today show this week, supermodel Tyra Banks explained her method for cleaning food crumbs from the floor of her apartment. She bends down and eats them. This might seem weird, but you are going to love the new season of America. Next top Roomba. She gave more and more details about her like wet finger to mouth system for moving crumbs off the floor. No matter how many times she was asked to stop.
Shane O'Neill
There's like 27 seasons of America's top model girl, I will buy you a vacuum.
Luke Burbank
It is like it's the ultimate flex. Right? Because her point, it would seem is my house is so spot is. It's so pristine and clean that there's no difference in any of the surfaces in the house.
Peter Sagal
You literally eat off the floor. It's a brag.
Shane O'Neill
I mean, but also the crumbs. Come on now. If you drop a whole chip, I get it.
Peter Sagal
Yeah.
Shane O'Neill
This seems desperate.
Luke Burbank
I did that backstage at this theater.
Peter Sagal
Yeah, right. All right, Rachel, here is your last.
Alzo Slade
Limerick for the efforts that Mario spends Peach's Kisses are his happy end. But the fans are confused. Has the plumber been used because Nintendo maintains their just friends.
Peter Sagal
Friends? Yes. In a huge shock to the gaming world, Nintendo has revealed that Princess Peach and Super Mario are, quote, just good friends. It was devastating. Devastating for Princess Peach to hear Mario say, it's not you, it's a me.
Shane O'Neill
I am not devastated.
Peter Sagal
You're not?
Shane O'Neill
Just because you saved my life does not mean I have to be your girlfriend.
Peter Sagal
That's true.
Shane O'Neill
You know, I don't owe you anything.
Peter Sagal
The revelation caused a firestorm on social media. Rightfully so. For decades, Mario has been rescuing Peach from lava filled castles and regularly saving her entire kingdom. And if that, that's not relationship material, what is? And don't even get me started on all the rides he has given her to the airport in his cart. Also, how did Rachel do in our quiz?
Alzo Slade
The new PhD got three out of three.
Peter Sagal
There you go. Congratulations and everything. Take care, Doctor. Thank you. Bye everybody.
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Peter Sagal
Now it is time for our final game, Lightning Fill in the blank. Each of our players will have 60 seconds in which to answer as many fill in the blank questions as they can. Each correct answer is now worth two points. Alzo, can you give us the scores?
Alzo Slade
Yes. Shantira and Shane are tied up at two and Luke is in the lead with three.
Peter Sagal
Luke, you're in first place. Shantira and Shane, you're tied for second. Shane, I'm going to arbitrarily choose you to go first. Here we go. The clock will start when they begin your first question. Fill in the blank. On Tuesday, Senate Democrats tried to use a Little known law to force the release of the Blank files.
Shantira Jackson
Epstein.
Peter Sagal
Right. Despite bipartisan opposition, Senate Republicans confirmed more. One of Blank's former lawyers Trump a lifetime appellate judge appointment. Right. Trump. This week, the administration shortened its deadline for Russia to begin ceasefire talks with Blank. Ukraine. Right. On Tuesday, coffee shop giant Blank shut down their entire line of pickup only cafes. Starbucks. Right. This week, the Foo Fighters announced they were replacing their drummer with a drummer from the Nine Inch Nails. And in response, the Nine Inch Nails announced Blank.
Shantira Jackson
They were taking the Foo Fighters drummer.
Peter Sagal
Exactly right. On Thursday, Procter and gamble announcement a 25% price increase on products due to President Trump's blanks.
Shantira Jackson
Dandruff problem.
Peter Sagal
No.
Shantira Jackson
Tariffs.
Peter Sagal
Yes. According to new data, plastic surgery is booming among GLP1 users, suffering from what's called blank face.
Shantira Jackson
Baggy face face.
Peter Sagal
No. Ozempic face.
Shantira Jackson
That's what I said.
Peter Sagal
This week, a woman in Miami was stopped by the TSA after they got her trying to smuggle two blanks in her blank.
Shantira Jackson
Two pigeons in her suitcase?
Peter Sagal
No, two turtles in her bra. TSA caught the woman as she tried to sneak through the Miami airport security checkpoint with two turtles stuffed in her bra. It may sound funny to you, but turtles are a serious commitment. They can live for over 100 years. So you need to make sure that after you die, one of your kids will be willing to stuff the them in their bra, too. Also, how did Shane O' Neill do in our quiz?
Alzo Slade
He got six right for 12 more points and is now in the lead.
Peter Sagal
All right, Shantira, you're up next. Fill in the blank. Joining France and the uk, Canada announced plans to recognize a Blank as a state.
Shane O'Neill
Palestine.
Peter Sagal
Right. On Tuesday, an earthquake near Russia's eastern coast led to blank warnings in the Union.
Shane O'Neill
Tsunami.
Peter Sagal
Right. On Thursday, the administration announced that construction had begun in a new lavish ballroom in the Blank.
Shane O'Neill
The White House.
Peter Sagal
Right. According to a new study, you may be breathing in micro blanks while in your home and car.
Shane O'Neill
Plastics.
Peter Sagal
Right. This week, Representative Mike Collins kicked off his campaign for Georgia's Senate by posting a video on Twitter that blanked nobody wanted to see. That may well be true, but to the point, his video on Twitter announcing his campaign misspelled Georgia.
Shane O'Neill
So I was right in a weird way.
Peter Sagal
On Thursday, cloud cover for SpaceX to scrap a planned flight to the blank, the Moon International Space Station. On Tuesday, thousands of fans traveled to Birmingham, England to watch Blank's funeral procession.
Shane O'Neill
Ozzy. Ozzy.
Peter Sagal
Right. Ozzy Osbournes. This week, a man in Argentina won $13,000 in damages after His Blank was posted to Google Street View without his permission. Address? No.
Shane O'Neill
His feet?
Peter Sagal
No. His naked butt. This man, he's in Argentina. He checked out his own house on Google street food. You know, everybody does that. And he saw an image of his own naked butt. The camera was able to see over a fence into his garden where he was walking around naked. So he sued and he won. But it's the rare kind of lawsuit where you kind of of hope the damages you're paid are low because you don't want a judge to look at your naked body on a screen. Turn to the people who showed it to the world without your consent and say to them you owe him a million dollars. Also, how did Shantira do in our quiz?
Alzo Slade
She got five. Right. For 10 more points. Total of 12. Shane is still in the lead.
Peter Sagal
Alright, so how many then does Luke Burbank need to win?
Alzo Slade
Luke needs six to win.
Luke Burbank
Okay.
Peter Sagal
All right, here we go, Luke. This is for the game. Fill in the Blank. On Monday, Australia's government announced it would ban access to the video streaming site blank for children under 16.
Luke Burbank
YouTube.
Peter Sagal
Right. This week, Kamala Harris announced she would not run for governor of blank in 2026.
Luke Burbank
California.
Peter Sagal
Right. Despite pressure from the White House, the Federal Reserve once again held Blank's steady interest rate. Right. This week, authorities in South Carolina reported reported that a wasp nest found in a nuclear facility.
Luke Burbank
Was Blank put there by Homer Simpson?
Peter Sagal
No. Was radioactive. They have created radioactive wasps. Good. A research submarine filmed never before seen creatures living in the deepest part of the Blank ocean. Right. According to Paramount, some 6 million people watched Blank's season premiere which mocked President Trump.
Luke Burbank
South Park.
Peter Sagal
Right. And this week, the officials in South Carolina who had confirmed the that they found that radioactive wasp nest said that they hadn't found Blank.
Luke Burbank
The nuclear power facility?
Peter Sagal
No, the radioactive wasps. Ah, so they found the radioactive wasp nest near the tanks where the nuclear waste is stored. But there weren't any wasps. Still, officials say there's nothing to worry about. At least that's what I thought they said. I couldn't hear them over the sound of all those enormous buzzing wings. Also, did Luke do well enough to win?
Alzo Slade
Luke did not get enough to win.
Peter Sagal
No. Okay, so dang.
Alzo Slade
Shane is our champion for.
Peter Sagal
Yay, Shane. Well done. In just a minute, our panelists predict now that they're bringing back the presidential fitness test. What would be the next surprising thing from our own channel to return? But first, let me tell you all. Wait, wait, don't tell me. It's a production of NPR and WBEZ Chicago in association with Urgent Haircut Productions. Doug Berman, Benevolent overlord Philip Gaudka writes our limericks. Our public address announcer is Paul Friedman. Our tour manager is Shana Donnell. Thanks to the staff and crew at Abravenal hall and to Janee Payne, Christie miners and everyone at Kueer here in Salt Lake City. BJ Litiman composed I see. DJ Leader composed our theme. Our program is produced by Jennifer Mills, Myles Norbost and Lillian King. Special thanks this week to Mohamed El Shechi and Monica Hickey. Our real house husband is Peter Gwynn. Emma Choi is our vibe curator. Technical direction is from Lorna White. Our CFO is Colin Miller. Our production manager is Robert Newhouse. Our senior producer is Ian Chillock. And the executive producer, Wait, wait, don't tell me. Is Michael Danforth. Now, panel, what thing from our childhood will be making a comeback? Shane o', Neill, peace and Prosperity.
Shantira Jackson
Just kidding. A Furby movie.
Peter Sagal
Shantira Jackson, Circuit City.
Shane O'Neill
We need her more than ever.
Peter Sagal
And Luke Burbank, a crippling fear of hot lava.
Alzo Slade
And if any of that happens, we'll be sure to ask you about it on Wait, wait, don't tell me.
Peter Sagal
Thank you, Alzo Slade. Thanks also to Shantira Jackson, Shane o' Neill and Luke Burbank. Thanks to our fabulous audience here in Salt Lake City, Utah. And thanks all of you for listening wherever you may be. I'm Peter Zegal. We'll be back with you next week. This is npr.
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Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! Episode Summary: Featuring Heather Gay
Release Date: August 2, 2025
NPR's beloved news quiz, Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!, hosted by Peter Sagal, delivered another engaging and humorous episode from Abravanelle Hall in Salt Lake City, Utah. This episode featured special guest Heather Gay from The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, along with panelists Shantira Jackson, Shane O'Neill, and Luke Burbank. Here's a detailed breakdown of the key segments, discussions, and highlights from the show.
The episode kicked off with Peter Sagal welcoming listeners and introducing the first contestant, Madeline from Brooklyn, New York. Madeline, a recent graduate from the City University of New York, shared her upcoming role as a clinical and research audiologist. Peter humorously remarked, “You're gonna bring hearing to people who don't have it” (02:05).
Peter introduced the panelists:
In this segment, Alzo Slade presented three news quotes, and listener Madeline had to identify two of them to win a prize. Notable moments included:
Presidential Fitness Challenge Revival: Alzo quoted, “If you spent your childhood struggling to do chin ups in gym class, brace yourself” (03:07). This led to a humorous discussion about the high standards of the revived fitness test, with Peter noting, “The standard was too high” (04:41).
Bringing Own Food to Restaurants: Alzo asked, “Is purse tuna ever okay?” (05:11), sparking panelists to debate the absurdity of diners bringing their own meals, such as a whole rotisserie chicken pulled from a purse.
Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau Rumors: The quote, “To forgive A space flight or two for this” (07:53), led to laughter over the unlikely pairing of Katy Perry and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, with Luke quipping, “This feels like a rom-com” (08:35).
Madeline correctly identified the Presidential Fitness Challenge quote, securing her prize: “the voice of your choice on your voicemail” (09:38).
Presidential Fitness Challenge: Panelists reminisced about the rigorous tests from their school days. Shantira recalled the “touch box” flexibility test, while Luke humorously imagined President Reagan analyzing children's fitness results (04:17).
Restaurant Food Policies: The panel debated the practicality and etiquette of diners bringing their own food, with Shantira expressing a preference for authenticity over substitutions (06:55).
The game focused on the term "Seborga," with panelists presenting three different explanations:
The correct answer was Luke's story about the fictional diplomatic scam. Tara Casey from Richmond, Virginia, correctly identified this as the true story, winning the game (20:50).
Heather Gay joined the show to discuss her role on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and her new book, Good Time Girl. Key highlights include:
Authenticity of the Show: Heather emphasized the realness of the Salt Lake City Housewives, saying, “We are all pretty real, and Salt Lake City keeps us real” (22:25).
Taglines and Persona: She shared her season taglines, such as “I was raised Mormon, but now I'm raising a glass of champagne” (23:46). Heather humorously noted that the taglines are assigned, adding, “They shut those down immediately” (24:14).
Book Insights: Heather provided a sneak peek into her book, recounting adventures like her senior trip to Tijuana and her mission in the south of France, showcasing her transition from her Mormon roots to a more liberated lifestyle (25:41).
In this segment, Heather Gay hosted a game focused on female criminals. Madeline participated, answering questions such as:
Lyft Gas Station Robbery: She correctly identified that the woman called an Uber after her Lyft driver refused to let her back in (28:05).
Massachusetts Drug Conviction: Madeline chose the correct answer, identifying that the woman lost her job as the head of a drug testing program for Massachusetts police (29:01).
Mob Barker’s Shootout: She successfully answered that people attended picnics to watch a final shootout (30:28).
Heather commended Madeline’s perfect score, followed by closing remarks appreciating Heather’s participation (31:08).
Dr. Rachel from Omaha participated in the limerick game, completing rhyming puzzles such as:
Yogurt Cooling: Madeline filled in “yogurt” to complete the limerick about using yogurt to cool down her house (39:44).
Tyra Banks Crumbs: She correctly answered “crumbs” for Tyra Banks’ unconventional method of cleaning food from her apartment (40:49).
Mario and Peach: Rachel guessed “South Park” incorrectly, eventually completing Mario's revelation about his relationship with Princess Peach (42:06).
Despite high spirits, Rachel did not secure enough points to win the final prize (49:52).
Shane O'Neill emerged as the episode's champion by answering rapid-fire fill-in-the-blank questions correctly, including:
Senate Democrats and Epstein Files: "Epstein" (45:01).
Presidential Tariffs: "Tariffs" (45:34).
Ozzy Osbourne Funeral: Correctly identified “Ozzy Osbourne” as the subject of a funeral procession (47:30).
Peter acknowledged Shane’s victory, awarding him the top spot in the episode's leaderboard (50:02).
In a playful segment predicting comebacks, panelists offered humorous suggestions:
Shantira Jackson: Joked about a Furby movie (51:09).
Shane O'Neill: Lightheartedly mentioned Circuit City’s return (51:11).
Luke Burbank: Poked fun at his fear of hot lava (51:13).
Peter Sagal wrapped up the episode by thanking Heather Gay for her participation and the panelists for their lively contributions. He also extended gratitude to the production team and sponsors, maintaining the show’s signature blend of humor and trivia.
Notable Quotes:
This episode of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! seamlessly blended current events, pop culture, and humor, offering listeners both laughs and insightful commentary. Whether contesting news trivia or enjoying Heather Gay’s candid anecdotes, the show remained both entertaining and informative.