WWDTM: Jan Jensen

Summary

Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! (WWDTM) – Episode Featuring Jan Jensen Release Date: July 12, 2025
Host: Peter Sagal
Location: Des Moines Civic Center, Des Moines, Iowa

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Introduction and Setting

Hosted by Peter Sagal, NPR's "Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!" returned to the Des Moines Civic Center, a departure from its usual association with the Iowa Presidential Caucus. Sagal humorously remarked on Iowa's weather, saying, “We thought it was always miserably cold here. Now we know it's also miserably hot” (00:56).

First Contestant: Olivia from North Carolina

Olivia, an occupational therapy assistant who also works on a horse farm, joined as the first contestant. Peter Sagal engaged her in light-hearted banter about her dual roles, highlighting the therapeutic aspects of farm work: “I find it therapeutic, but that's just me” (02:10).

Introducing the Panel

The panel featured three guests:

• Emmy Blotnick: Comedian performing at Brooklyn's pie tasting festival (02:23).
• Hari Kondabolu: Comedian headlining in Philadelphia and Burlington (02:43).
• Faith Saley: CBS Sunday Morning contributor with the Audible series Envy Enlightened (02:45).

First Quiz Game: “Who’s Bill”

Bill Curtis presented three news-related quotes for Olivia to identify. Olivia successfully answered:

1. Quote: "I don't like my feet on floors that I don't know about." (03:31)
   Answer: TSA security shoe policy ending.

2. Quote: "People are celebrating and eating treats. They don't want to be tasting beets." (06:05)
   Answer: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s campaign to remove artificial dyes from candies.

3. Quote: "Not surprisingly, a family moon can be a tough sell." (08:36)
   Answer: Trend of newlyweds bringing parents on their honeymoon.

Olivia aced the quiz with three correct answers, earning a prize for her voicemail (10:04).

Panel Discussion: TSA Security Changes

The panel humorously dissected the end of the shoe-off policy at TSA checkpoints:

• Emmy Blotnick quipped, “She said that we can put e cigarettes in any bag we want now” (04:27).
• Hari Kondabolu raised concerns about TSA PreCheck incentives, pondering, “Do you think they'll raise it to 4 ounces of shampoo?” (05:18).

Second Contestant: Raeanne Rowland from Pennsylvania

Raeanne, managing fundraising for the ARC of Warren County, participated in the "Make Summer Summer" game. Three humorous and fictional summer improvement ideas were presented:

1. Faith Saley’s "Drip": A meetup celebrating excessive sweating with events like “gorgeous Amber Pit stains” (17:18).
2. Hari Kondabolu’s "Puffgrass Cool Down Coat": A coat embedded with goose down and propylene glycol to keep wearers cool, albeit flawed as it melts quickly (17:29).
3. Emmy Blotnick’s "Skin Phone Case": A phone case that changes color upon UV exposure to indicate sunburn risk (19:06).

Raeanne correctly identified Emmy Blotnick’s innovative yet creepy phone case as the true story, earning a point (21:31).

Interview with Jan Jensen

Jan Jensen, head coach of the University of Iowa women's basketball team, shared insights into her family’s rich basketball history, including her grandmother Lottie’s MVP status in the 1921 state tournament (22:30). Jensen discussed her coaching philosophy, emphasizing team culture and the impact of coaching a star player like Caitlin Clark:

• “She [Clark] shoots it from the parking lot. You know, she makes a dazzling pass” (25:38).
• When asked how she would motivate a struggling player, Jensen humorously suggested, “get your head out of your pass” (27:09).

Jan Jensen flawlessly answered three courting ritual questions, showcasing her wit and knowledge, and won another round of the quiz (31:01).

Third Contestant: Molly from St. Louis, Missouri

Molly, who manages a dental practice and chases her toddler around the zoo, participated in the limerick challenge. Bill Curtis presented three limericks linked to recent news:

1. Bathroom Breaks at Wimbledon:

   • Highlighted players taking strategic bathroom breaks to disrupt opponents (39:34).

2. Vegetables Harming Teeth:

   • A fictional study claiming vegetables degrade dental enamel, humorously ignoring the real health benefits (40:41).

3. Rise of Criminal Baby Names:

   • A satirical take on families naming children after infamous criminals influenced by true crime shows (41:43).

Molly achieved three correct answers, tying with other panelists (43:02).

Final Game: Lightning-Style “Fill in the Blank”

The panelists competed in a rapid-fire fill-in-the-blank game:

• Emmy Blotnick and Hari Kondabolu both amassed high scores of 14 points, narrowly edging out other contestants.
• Faith Saley scored 13 points, finishing just behind the leaders.

Notable Fill-in-the-Blank Moments:

• Emmy: “A man in Switzerland credits his Chihuahua with saving his life” (45:33).
• Hari: “Mouth” for the trend of taping shut during sleep poses health risks (46:45).

Special Guest Segment: Jan Jensen on Courting Rituals

Jan Jensen participated in a segment discussing historical courting rituals, answering questions about:

1. Puritan Speaking Tubes: Couples used speaking tubes to communicate while chaperoned (28:35).
2. Medieval Ukrainian Pumpkins: Men gave pumpkins as consolation if a proposal was rejected (29:51).
3. 19th Century Austrian Challenges: Women presented men with unconventional challenges to prove their worth (30:54).

Jensen’s perfect score in this segment further highlighted her quick thinking and extensive knowledge (31:08).

Closing Remarks

Peter Sagal concluded the episode with playful banter about future TSA policies and thanked guests and staff for their participation. The show wrapped up with acknowledgments to the production team and a sneak peek into upcoming segments like the Listener Limerick challenge.

Notable Quotes

• Peter Sagal: “Kristi Noem just got tired of, like, peeling off her thigh high stiletto she wears.” (04:44)
• Emmy Blotnick: “Someone was caught doing that, he pleaded guilty because, what are you gonna do, sentence me twice?” (42:00)
• Jan Jensen: “One of the hardest things is if you can get a society to be celebrators of each other, that's the hardest thing.” (26:07)
• Olivia: “I like it to be the skin case, but I'm gonna go with the Drippers.” (20:41)

Conclusion

This episode of "Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!" seamlessly blended humor with current events, featuring engaging interactions between contestants, panelists, and a special guest. Jan Jensen’s insights into women's basketball and her perfect quiz performance stood out, while the playful segments kept the atmosphere lively and entertaining. Whether you're a fan of witty banter or keen on testing your knowledge, this episode delivered a memorable and laughter-filled experience.

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Note: Timestamps correspond to the transcript provided and serve as references for notable quotes and segments mentioned in the summary.

Transcript

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[Bill Curtis]

From NPR and WBEZ Chicago, this is Wait, wait, don't tell me. The NPR News quiz. Des Moines MEET demand. I'm Bill Curtis, and here is your host at the Des Moines Civic center in Des Moines, Iowa, Peter Stuart.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. It's so great to be back here in Des Moines, especially because, and this is true all the other times our show has been here has been, of course, during the Iowa Presidential Caucus in January. And it is amazing to discover that Iowa exists at other times as well. We thought it was always miserably cold here. Now we know it's also miserably hot. Later on, we are going to be talking to Jan Jensen, the coach of the legendary University of Iowa women's basketball team. But first, we want to see how you handle the ball. So give us a call. The number is 1-88-wait, wait. That's 1-888-924-8924. Let's welcome our first listener contestant. How you run? Wait, wait, don't tell me.

[Olivia]

Hi, my name is Olivia. I'm calling from Pittsboro, North Carolina.

[Peter Sagal]

Hey, Olivia, how are you? And how are things in North Carolina?

[Olivia]

They're good. They're hot. Recently got a lot of rain, so a little wet, but overall good.

[Peter Sagal]

What do you do there?

[Olivia]

I work as an occupational therapy assistant and I also work on a horse farm.

[Peter Sagal]

You do? You work on a horse farm? I do. That's an awesome thing. What sort of jobs do they have you do on the horse farm?

[Olivia]

Oh, you know, all the fun stuff like cleaning up after the horses, feeding them, giving them their meds.

[Peter Sagal]

Wow. So you have to muck out the stalls, clean up the mess that they left, right? I do.

[Olivia]

I find it therapeutic, but that's just me.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, it might be good training for playing this game, cleaning up after the week's news. But first, let me introduce you to our panel this week. First up, it's a comedian appearing at Joe Firestone's first annual pie tasting festival Aug. 10 at Littlefield in Brooklyn, New York. It's Emmy Blotnick.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Hello, Olivia.

[Peter Sagal]

Hello. Next A comedian headlining the Punchline Comedy club in Philadelphia August 24th and the Vermont Comedy Club in Burlington September 18th through the 20th. It's Hari Kondabolu. Hello, Olivia. Hi. And a CBS Sunday Morning contributor whose new Audible original series Envy Enlightened is out. Now it's Faith Saley. Hi, Olivia. So, Olivia, welcome to our show. You're gonna play who's Bill this time? Bill Curtis is gonna read for you three quotations from this week's news. If you can correctly identify or explain just two of them, you will win our prize. Any voice you might choose on your voicemail. You ready to play?

[Olivia]

I am.

[Peter Sagal]

All right, your first quote is a traveler talking to npr.

[Bill Curtis]

I don't like my feet on floors that I don't know about.

[Peter Sagal]

She was celebrating the fact that as of this week, you no longer have to take your shoes off before you do. What is it?

[Olivia]

Go through the TSA check?

[Peter Sagal]

Yes. Going through airport security. That's right, everybody. Our long national nightmare is over. The TSA just announced they'd be ending the policy of making travelers take off their shoes to go through security. It's great that we can finally leave our shoes on, but why are they making everyone take off their underwear?

[Olivia]

You know, for the past. Whatever it is, 20 years I have assumed shoes were a security threat, but now that Secretary Kristi Noem has assured us they are not, I feel so safe. Yeah, I think it is Kristi Noem's crime gravitas that makes me feel comforted.

[Emmy Blotnick]

She said that we can put e cigarettes in any bag we want now.

[Olivia]

This is America.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, Kristi Noem just got tired of, like, peeling off her thigh high stiletto she wears. Now, as you may remember, this policy was instituted more than 20 years ago after just one guy tried to blow up a plane with a bomb in his shoes. So one failed bomb meant us seeing 10,000 gross toes we will never be able to forget.

[Emmy Blotnick]

No, it's like it was how humanity connected. We'd all put our gross toes on the same thing. It's like, you know, we're all the same.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah, I guess.

[Emmy Blotnick]

We're all a beautiful ritual we're losing.

[Peter Sagal]

It's true. Frequent travelers are celebrating. But let's not forget what a huge day this is for the shoe bombing community. We are back, baby.

[Hari Kondabolu]

I mean, isn't the. The whole model of TSA PreCheck that. Oh, I don't need to put my shoes off anymore. So if they take. If everyone can go through the metal detector. That's everything they're Known for.

[Peter Sagal]

That's actually a good point. Some of the news articles raised this, that not having to take off your shoes was a huge incentive to pay the 80 bucks to join TSA pre. And some people think they kept the policy just to keep that program going. Now that it's gone, what are they going to use for an incentive to sign up? Every passenger gets to bring on one little gun.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Do you think they'll raise it to 4 ounces of shampoo?

[Peter Sagal]

Maybe. Oh, the parties we'll have. Oh, brother. All right, here is your next quote.

[Bill Curtis]

People are celebrating and eating treats. They don't want to be tasting beets.

[Peter Sagal]

That was a candy company CEO talking about resisting the efforts to replace artificial food dyes with natural dyes like that from beets. Who is trying to ruin our M&Ms? Can I get a hint? It's a person who's on a quest to get natural things back in our food. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Yes, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Just make.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Sure you say junior. The junior's important.

[Peter Sagal]

Yes, it is. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Who ironically looks like he would melt, is demanding. He's demanding that all food companies stop using artificial food dyes. And they all folded except for M&MS. Right. The Mars company was diplomatic in their response. I'll quote here. They said no. Now, Mars Big candy company, they say that natural dyes just don't work as well in their candies. They're not as bright, and they quickly fade. Not to mention that, as you heard, if you want to make a red dye naturally out of beets, quote, it tastes like beets, unquote. So it's like, hey, kids, who wants another Tootsie Borscht?

[Hari Kondabolu]

I'm surprised he's going after M&MS. And not gummy worms.

[Peter Sagal]

Oh, he is a. Wait.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Oh, those are the ones that get in your gummy brain.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Is that right?

[Peter Sagal]

That's right. Okay. He has a soft spot for worms, though. A representative from the National Confectioners association said, quote, people can freely buy cannabis, alcohol, and cigarettes, but vibrantly colored candy is an issue. Give me a break. Unquote. Before continuing. Give me a break. Break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Oh, has there been a response from Skittles? Do you know the rainbow? You're supposed to taste Skittles.

[Olivia]

Skittles is the backup. It's by. It's also owned by Mars.

[Peter Sagal]

Skittles are.

[Olivia]

So they too are part of the resistance.

[Peter Sagal]

Yes. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah.

[Hari Kondabolu]

So Reese's piece is just totally Sold out.

[Peter Sagal]

Is that what they're pretty much? Yeah. All right, Olivia, your last quote is from the Wall Street Journal.

[Bill Curtis]

Not surprisingly, a family moon can be a tough sell.

[Peter Sagal]

They were writing about a new trend, they say, where newlyweds are bringing their parents along. On what?

[Olivia]

Their honeymoon.

[Peter Sagal]

Their honeymoon? Yes. Oh, I can see it's going to catch on here. No, Frank, go spring your parents on your honeymoon. Nothing is sexier than giving up the honeymoon suite to your father in law because the bed is better for his back.

[Hari Kondabolu]

I mean, it's a form of contraception I've never considered.

[Peter Sagal]

It's true.

[Olivia]

And we wonder why the birth rate is dropping.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. The people who embrace this say that it allows the new couples to spend quality time with, you know, their new family. But it is awkward when your mom pulls you aside and says, these were your grandmother's furry handcuffs.

[Olivia]

I like that. You can have adjoining rooms and your mother in law can peek her head through the door and just say, if you have any questions, I'm right here. He likes his head scratched before he goes to sleep. I've been doing it for years.

[Peter Sagal]

Bill, How. How did Olivia do in our quiz?

[Bill Curtis]

Off to a good start. Three in a row. That's a win.

[Peter Sagal]

Congratulations. Well done, Olivia. Thank you, guys. Right now, panel, it is of course time for you to answer some questions about this week's news. Hari? Yes. A cathedral in Wales has been set, sanctioned by the higher ups in the church hierarchy after priests there created a. What? Based on the final words spoken by Jesus.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Oh, they created a diorama.

[Peter Sagal]

People love a good diorama with you. They really do. They really do. All right, so I'll give you a hint. For example, when Jesus weeps, you drink.

[Hari Kondabolu]

A drinking game.

[Peter Sagal]

They made a drinking game out of the last words of Jesus. What? What? Thanks to the Anglican Church in Wales, services at Bangor Cathedral will no longer be dangerously interesting. The priests there instead were admonished for their seven last shots of Christ drinking game. I'm not making that up.

[Olivia]

Why seven?

[Peter Sagal]

Well, this is how it works. You get out the sacramental wine and they were really into this. And you take one shot for each of Christ's last words, which were for those who don't remember. Forgive them, Father, for they know not how to party.

[Olivia]

I mean, it's better if you want to drum up attendance. It's better to do it with drinking than, like, lots of fishes.

[Peter Sagal]

Right? Right.

[Olivia]

Come to church this week and you'll get unlimited fish.

[Peter Sagal]

You're right. Exactly.

[Emmy Blotnick]

I have a question about the game.

[Peter Sagal]

You may. Yes.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Do seven shots of seem like too much to you guys?

[Peter Sagal]

Well, it's, it's, it's wine. It wasn't like the sacramental Jack Daniels.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Okay, then. All right, I'll do it.

[Peter Sagal]

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[Bill Curtis]

From NPR in WBEZ Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, don't tell Me, the NPR News Quiz. I'm Bill Curtis. We are playing this week with Hari Kondavolu, Faith Seeley and Emmy Blotnick. And here again is your host at the Des Moines Civic center in Iowa, Peter Sago.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you, Bill. Right now. Thank you everybody. Right now it is time for the Wait, Wait, don't tell me bluff the listener game. Call 1-888-wait-WAIT to play our game on the air or check out the pinned post on our Instagram page. Atwaitnpr. Hello, you are on. Wait, wait, don't tell me.

[Olivia]

Hi, my name is Raeanne Rowland. I'm calling from Regalsville, Pennsylvania.

[Peter Sagal]

Hey there, Raeanne. What do you do there in Regalsville?

[Olivia]

I work in fundraising and communications for the ARC of Warren County. It's a nonprofit organization that provides a wide range of services and supports for people with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

[Peter Sagal]

That is wonderful. It's very rewarding reward work and I'm so proud and pleased that you're out there doing that. So thank you so much for calling. You are going to play our game in which you must try to tell truth from fiction. Bill what's Ray Ann's topic?

[Bill Curtis]

Make Summer Summer.

[Peter Sagal]

Summer Middle name Summer is easily one of the top four seasons of the year, and this week we heard about how somebody is making it even better. This time around, our panelists are going to tell you about it. Pick the one who's telling the truth. You'll win our prize, the voice of your choice and your voicemail. You ready to play?

[Olivia]

I'm ready.

[Peter Sagal]

All right. First, let's hear from Faith Saley.

[Olivia]

Summer can be schmitzy for anyone, but it's especially rough, even embarrassing, for those who sweat a lot. I'm afraid to meet a guy at a bar if it doesn't blast the ac, confesses Nicole Watson, who suffers from hyperhidrosis. Excessive and uncontrollable sweating. At weddings. I have to dance by myself in the corner or else I end up splashing people. Like that water bucket scene from Flashdance. Except not sexy, but gross. Well, it's not gross anymore. For those participating in a new trend of sweaty meetups called Drip at Drip. It's a celebration of perspiration. Wear your most sweaty stained clothes. Prizes for the darkest Amber Pit stains, a ritual burning of antiperspirants. Guys and gals wear polyester shirts so they become sexy see throughs once soaked. Every Drip event ends with a competition to see who can wring the most liquid out of a shirt after a night of dancing. The only two rules are no cheating. Some folks were caught in the bathroom doing jumping jacks and you do have to sign a waiver. There have been some injuries from the sweat powered Slip n Slide.

[Peter Sagal]

Drip, a series of gatherings for people to celebrate how much they sweat rather than shame them. Your next summer Doldrum de Doldrum ized comes from Hari Kondabolu.

[Hari Kondabolu]

George Pipgrass has always hated summer. You see, the Pipgrass family has been in the puffer coat business for decades. And growing up, summer was season non grata. We didn't call it summer, explained George. We called it the devil season because no one buys coats then. That is, until now. While George was tinkering away in his coat lair basement, he started an experiment. What happens when you freeze a downcoat? Well, it gets super cold, like an ice pack. The light bulb went off for his brand new product, the Pipgrass Cool down down coat. The Pipgrass Cool down down coat has 16 sealed compartments with genuine goose down soaking in propylene glycol, the same blue gunk used in ice packs. Just freeze it overnight in your industrial freezer and you've got the solution for a hot summer day. Quickly, customers from hot spots like Arizona and Florida started ordering the coats. Pipgrass was thrilled until he realized the coat had a flaw. It melts. According to one customer. I put it on to walk around my neighborhood and was soaking wet within 20 minutes. With another calling the product a 50 pound water prison.

[Peter Sagal]

A new summer parka that's just basically a wearable giant cold pack. Your last solution for the sunny season comes from Emmy Blotnick.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Tired of getting sunburnt this summer? Now there's a phone case that can remind you when you're burning in the sun. This new invention, called the skin case, is designed to look and feel just like human skin. It reacts to UV light by burning just like human skin. It even comes in three colors, just like human skin. The sight of your burning flesh covered cell phone is supposed to serve as a reminder that you, too, are outdoors and need protection for your burning flesh. The researcher responsible for this invention insists that though it is creepily lifelike, the human skin is in fact synthetic, which is exactly what you would say if you accidentally made a phone case out of real human skin.

[Peter Sagal]

All right, so one of these things might make your summer a little more bearable. Is it from Faith Salie Drip, a gathering for people to celebrate their sweatiness rather than be ashamed by it. From Hari Kondabolu, a coat that is basically just a wearable ice pack to keep you cool. Or from Emmy Blotnik, a phone case with artificial skin that lets you know that you might be burning in the sun. Because it is.

[Olivia]

I want it to be the skin case, but I'm gonna go with the Drippers.

[Peter Sagal]

So your choice is Faith Story. Well, to bring you the correct answer, listen to this. Why does it feel like skin? Well, this phone case, when it's exposed to the sun, that was Marc Tessier, the creator of the Skin Phone. I'm so sorry, Raeanne. You should have followed. Yes, in fact, it was Emmy who horrifyingly, was telling the truth. So you didn't win, but you did earn a point for Faith for her. I genuinely think, speaking as a sweaty guy myself, a wonderful idea that we should implement. So I. I commend you for picking that one. Thank you so much for playing.

[Olivia]

Really rad. Right hand.

[Peter Sagal]

Take care. Thank you.

[Olivia]

Goodbye.

[Peter Sagal]

And now the game where we ask experts about something they know nothing about. That's why we call it not my Job. A few years ago, Iowa women's basketball exploded in popularity nationwide, which is fitting because women's basketball was practically invented here in Iowa. True. Coach Jan Jensen herself grew up here, played basketball to Drake in Des Moines before moving to the University of Iowa, where she has coached, among others, one Caitlin Clark. She is now the head coach of the Hawkeyes. We are delighted she joins us here. Coach Jensen, welcome to. Wait, wait, don't tell me.

[Jan Jensen]

Thank you so much.

[Peter Sagal]

Among the many things I learned this week, Coach Jensen, is that Iowa is in fact more or less the birthplace of women's basketball. Is that not right?

[Jan Jensen]

It really is, yeah. In fact, my grandmother was the MVP of the 1921 state tournament.

[Peter Sagal]

Your grandmother? Absolutely.

[Jan Jensen]

Yeah, my grandmother.

[Olivia]

And didn't your grandmother had a great nickname?

[Jan Jensen]

She did. She was named Lottie because she scored a lot of points.

[Peter Sagal]

So an enlightened state. Not a very creative one. But that's okay.

[Jan Jensen]

You gotta take it.

[Peter Sagal]

I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, I have these images in my head of what the 20 were like, especially for women. Did they have to play in bustles?

[Jan Jensen]

I mean, they played in bloomers. They played in bloomers. And they had like a sash. I actually have her uniform.

[Peter Sagal]

No, really, I do.

[Jan Jensen]

Yes. And I have the ball of which they played with.

[Peter Sagal]

No, and it's.

[Jan Jensen]

It. It. They weren't dribbling back then. It almost looked like a leather. Like a football.

[Peter Sagal]

Right.

[Jan Jensen]

So I didn't really start talking to her about her history until I was getting recruited it. And she never shared it until I pried it out of her.

[Peter Sagal]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Because I happen to know you were one of, like, the greatest high school basketball players in the nation. Right. I read that you had like a national record for points scored or something like that. And your grandmother never mentioned during all those years. Oh, basketball. You know, funny thing. I Forgot to mention 1921 National State Champion sleep.

[Jan Jensen]

No, she did not. She mentioned it casually, but she didn't like, you know, it wasn't until I truly, really pried the stories out of her. I knew she played. I saw her hall of Fame trophy, of course, and it was at her home. And my mother used to tell a story that when I was really little, I looked up at that trophy. I said, mom, I'm gonna get a trophy like that someday. And my mom said, I bet you will. And I did.

[Peter Sagal]

You did. I bet you did.

[Jan Jensen]

When we talking, they did a news special, the Iowa Girls Athletic Union, and it was on Iowa Public Television, which is awesome.

[Peter Sagal]

So great.

[Jan Jensen]

And they also did a six on six special. Right. So they were talking about the things. But the cool thing, my grandmother, she critiqued it. She said that it was much too physical and we showed way too much skin.

[Peter Sagal]

Oh, really? Absolutely.

[Jan Jensen]

She was very. She thought it was very risque.

[Peter Sagal]

Really? So your grandmother was like, in my day, we played in bloomers, and we liked it. We showed no ankles. That's right. Let's talk about your coaching career. You spent 23 years as an assistant coach at Iowa before becoming head coach last year. And during that time, you coached the global phenomenon, Caitlin Clark. So what was that like?

[Jan Jensen]

You know, it was. I don't think we'll fully unpack it until. Well, certainly I won't till I slow down. Right. Because someone asked me, what was it like to coach Caitlin Clark? And I said, everything you think it was in a matter of a minute. Because she's passionate. You know, she's, you know, fun. She's feisty. She shoots it from the parking lot. You know, she makes a dazzling pass. She challenges you. She's a jokester. And then as you're going through it, you know, building a team, to me, that's the most beautiful thing is. And you know this on your show, you know, you got.

[Peter Sagal]

You.

[Jan Jensen]

You're the leading score.

[Peter Sagal]

Oh, I am definitely the Caitlin Clark of this algorithm. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. You.

[Olivia]

To the parking lot.

[Peter Sagal]

I'm so glad that somebody has finally noticed my sense of. You're welcome.

[Jan Jensen]

I'm now your favorite character.

[Peter Sagal]

You really are. I mean, really. I think. Let's talk more about that anyway. So go on, please.

[Jan Jensen]

Well, just the building, the team and the culture, and I think that's why a lot of people have enjoyed watching Iowa women's background basketball. Way back when we were at Drake, our staff was together. At Drake is what we believe is just really playing with joy, playing hard. And I believe the best thing in life is if you can get a team. I'd like to think if you can get a society to be celebrators of each other, that's the hardest thing.

[Peter Sagal]

Right? You know, so what? One of your jobs is to motivate a player who's struggling. That's part of the deal. So let's say I, as you have identified the Caitlin Clark of this show, let's say I'm not doing well. Let's say I'm not playing to my astonishing potential. How would you say to me, like, you know, what would be your learned coach attempt?

[Jan Jensen]

Well, for you particularly, I would say, get your head out of your pass.

[Peter Sagal]

For you. Really.

[Jan Jensen]

But now these. These lovely people over here, I would say, you know what? You got it. You can do it. I believe in you. You get over here.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, coach Jensen, we are delighted to have you. Well, I'm delighted to be here. Speaking of games, we. We. Speaking of games, we have invited play a game that this time we're calling.

[Bill Curtis]

Let's go a courtin'.

[Peter Sagal]

You spend all your time in the basketball court, so we thought we'd ask you about the other kind of courting, finding a spouse. So we're gonna ask you three questions about courting rituals from around the world. Get two right, you'll win a prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who is coach Jensen playing for?

[Bill Curtis]

Matthew Kodis of Des Moines, Iowa.

[Jan Jensen]

All right.

[Peter Sagal]

All right. Ready to go? Here's your first question. In the puritan communities in New England back in the 1600s, courting couples would have to sit apart in a small room with a family member there to chaperone at all times. So for privacy, these couples used what? A. A six foot long speaking tube which one person held to their ear while the other person talked into the other side. B. An elaborate code using only eye blinks and squinting or see wooing leaves, which was a medicinal herb you would put in grandma's tea so she'd fall asleep and you could talk freely.

[Jan Jensen]

Oh, gosh.

[Peter Sagal]

Okay.

[Jan Jensen]

I'm feeling maybe. Are you feeling maybe one? I'm feeling one.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. It was the speaking tune. Yes. Yes. Let's go, grandma. One for one. Grandma would sit there. I'm beginning to get a sense of it. Style on the courtside. Yeah. They sit there and they hold the tube and they'd speak.

[Jan Jensen]

Little help for my buddies.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah, okay. All right. All right. That was very good. Here's your second question. Pumpkins had a traditional role in courtship in medieval Ukraine. What was it? A. What was called love bowling. Women would roll a pumpkin down the largest hill in town and the first man it knocked over would be her betrothed. B if a woman turned down a marriage proposal, she would give their suitor a pumpkin as a kind of consolation prize, but everyone who saw him walking home with it would know he just got rejected. Or C suitors wore pumpkins over their heads to the town dance to ensure that matches were not just about physical appearance.

[Jan Jensen]

Oh, golly.

[Peter Sagal]

Sort of a medieval Ukrainian version.

[Jan Jensen]

What was that again?

[Peter Sagal]

You're yelling B. I like that. That's correct. How did you know? That's right out of my back, all of you. The consolation pumpkin or the pumpkin of shame? Men would only. This is true. Men would only propose at night so they wouldn't be seen carrying the pumpkin home. Here's your last question. In 19th century rural Austria, available women presented men who they liked with a challenge to prove their worth. What was it? A. She would feed a ring to a particular sheep and the man would have to first guess the sheep and then get the ring back. B, after a town dance, the woman would offer the man she fancied an apple slice that she had held in her armpit during the whole dance to see if he would eat it. Or C, she would write a particular tongue to Twister love poem, which the man was expected to recite after drinking four beers in one hour.

[Jan Jensen]

I think it's B. Apple.

[Peter Sagal]

And it is B. Yes.

[Jan Jensen]

Three for three.

[Peter Sagal]

Yes.

[Jan Jensen]

I've been stressing about this the whole day.

[Peter Sagal]

I like to win.

[Jan Jensen]

Three for three.

[Peter Sagal]

Let's go, Bill. How did Coach Jensen do in our quiz?

[Bill Curtis]

What else? A perfect score.

[Jan Jensen]

It's all of you.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you. Jan Jensen is the head coach, coach of the Iowa Hawkeyes women's basketball team. Coach Dan Jensen, thank you so much for being on my weight. Don't tell me. Give it up for Coach Jensen in just a minute. Find out why your broccoli is out to get you in our Listener Limerick challenge. Call 1-888-WAIT-WAIT to join us on the air. We will be back in a minute with more of wait wait, don't tell me from NPR Foreign.

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[Bill Curtis]

From NPR and WBEZ Chicago, this is Wait, wait, don't tell me, the NPR News quiz. I'm Bill Curtis. We are playing this week with Faith Seely, Emmy Blotnick and Hari Kondabolu. And here again is your host at the Des Moines Civic Center. And I am Peter Sagal.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you, Bill. In just a minute. Once again, our Do Nothing staff has failed to finish writing the limericks. If you think you can come up with the last word, give us a call at 1-888-WAIT-WAIT. That's 1-888-924-8924. Right now, panel, some more questions for you from the week's news. Faith this week, a judge in Canada awarded damages to a couple who said that a local furniture store had caused them intense distress by not warning them that their new couch would require constant.

[Olivia]

What, sitting on?

[Peter Sagal]

No.

[Olivia]

Um, reupholstering?

[Peter Sagal]

No.

[Olivia]

Can I have a hint?

[Peter Sagal]

Sure. Start. You gotta take it home and start smacking those pillows immediately.

[Olivia]

Fluffing.

[Peter Sagal]

Fluffing, yes, constant fluffing. They were not warned. On the one hand, it's hard to imagine suing over this. On the other hand, it was a huge day for the lawyer who had put up the 1-800-Fluff law.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Somebody called J.D.

[Peter Sagal]

Vance. Exactly. Whoa. He'd volunteer.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Did you guys forget he was into that?

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. The couple said that no one at the furniture store warned them that their couch would require what the manufacturer describes as, quote, frequent fluffing and rotating. How frequent was the fluff this fluffing required?

[Olivia]

Sounds like adult filmmaker.

[Peter Sagal]

I know. I mean, how frequent do you have to fluff the couch? Was it like, excuse me, can we get the check? I have to be home by nine to fluff the couch or it explodes.

[Emmy Blotnick]

My couches out of Viagra. Again.

[Peter Sagal]

The judge sided with the couple because the furniture store admitted that this couple had come in specifically asking for something, quote, solid and not floppy. The judge did reduce the damages. The store had to pay a bit for the pain and suffering of having to hear the phrase solid and not floppy.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Go to rockhardcouches.com Enter the proof promo code JDVance.

[Peter Sagal]

Moving on. Hari According to a trend on TikTok, the hot new place that women are looking for men is where?

[Hari Kondabolu]

Men's bathrooms.

[Peter Sagal]

No. I'll give you a hint. It's the number one place to bag a husband wearing a tool belt.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Oh, a hardware store.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, specifically the biggest one.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Do you think I go to hardware stores? I live in Brooklyn, New York. I listen to npr. I'm hiring somebody, I'm getting somebody to fix whatever it is that has to be fixed.

[Peter Sagal]

I'll give it to you specifically the Home Depot.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Home Depot, Yes.

[Peter Sagal]

Women are saying, you want to find a man, go to Home Depot. That's where the real men are. There's a problem though, with this theory in. In the entire history of the world, going back to the creation of the universe, nobody has ever found anybody to answer a question they have at the Home Depot.

[Hari Kondabolu]

I gotta learn about tools to find a partner.

[Peter Sagal]

This sucks.

[Olivia]

No, you could just wander into Hobby Lobby, find yourself a nice trad wife.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. Emmy, you've probably heard about the trend of oversized fashion. That's when the clothing manufacturers keep the size label the same, but they're actually making the clothing bigger.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Why would you think I'm familiar with this? For a particular reason.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, perhaps you were one of those women who, because of this trend, clothes becoming bigger, are having to shop for their own clothes.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Is it like in the children's section?

[Peter Sagal]

It is in the children's section, yes. This is great news for petite women who love the movie Frozen. No one's checking IDs over in the kids department. The clothes fit. But according to one shopper, there is, quote, so much glitter.

[Emmy Blotnick]

There were definitely a lot of items from the Wicked promotional tour that were not made in adult sizes.

[Peter Sagal]

It's absolutely true. And it is a little less charming to wear a shirt bragging about how good a daughter you are when you're 43. One woman in kids clothing mentioned that she likes going to parties knowing nobody would be wearing the same outfit. And then, tragically, she was invited to an eight year old's birthday party. Coming up, it's lightning. Fill in the blank. But first, it's the game where you have to listen for the rhyme. If you'd like to play on air, call or leave a message at 1-888-WAIT-WAIT. That's 1-888-924-8924. You can see us most weeks back at the Studebaker Theater in Chicago or come see us on the road. We'll be at Tanglewood in western Massachusetts on August 28th. Tickets and information are at nprpresents.org you can check out our TikTok as well. If you're thinking, well, how can that not be totally cringe? Please keep in mind I have nothing to do with it. Find us there. Atweenpr. Hi, you're on. Wait, wait, don't tell me.

[Olivia]

Hi, Peter, this is Molly from St. Louis, Missouri.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, hey, nice to hear from you, Molly. We're going to be in St. Louis in the fall. I'm looking forward to coming back. What do you do there?

[Olivia]

Well, when I'm not chasing my toddler around the zoo, I manage a dental practice.

[Peter Sagal]

Right, that's nice. How did you convince the zoo to keep your toddler? Oh, he's very good. He's very good. He's a good toddler.

[Olivia]

He's a great toddler.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. Is he polite? Does he do what you ask him to do?

[Olivia]

Well, he's a toddler.

[Peter Sagal]

Oh, okay. We'll just leave it there. All right. Well, welcome to the show, Molly. Bill Curtis is going to read you three news related limericks with a last word or phrase missing from each. If you can fill in that last word or phrase correctly and two of the limericks will be a big winner. You ready to go?

[Olivia]

Let's do it.

[Peter Sagal]

All right, here is your first limerick.

[Bill Curtis]

When service returns, become spotty. Some Wimbledon players act naughty, cross their legs, cry, oh no. And then I've gotta go. And then waste extra time in the potty.

[Peter Sagal]

Yes, players at Wimbledon are not allowed to delay the game, but there is an exception. They are allowed to take bathroom breaks. So instead of a timeout, just tell the official you need a little wee. Or if it's really important, say, hey, this game is headed for a different kind of deuce. Now, the reason this is important is because many players in elite tennis have been accused by their opponents of using strategically timed bathroom breaks to throw them off their rhythm or, or just change the momentum of the match. Right. So if the umpire objects because this is the fifth bathroom break they've asked for, they can say, all right, fine, I'll risk it. But remember, I am wearing all white. All right, here is your next limerick.

[Bill Curtis]

My enamels, a thin, worn out sheath. No more broccoli. Bring on the beef. Greens might keep moving fit, but they have too much grit. All those veggies are harming my teeth.

[Peter Sagal]

Yes, teeth. After years of research and hundreds of studies, scientists finally found the proof that eating vegetables is bad for you. Fresh vegetables can degrade your teeth. According to a study just published in the Journal of Things Kids Want to be True, but a response. A real study found that microscopic bits of silica from the earth found in plants can cause mineral loss in your tooth enamel. And also, to quote one of the six year old scientists behind the study, vegetables are too squishy.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Then what are you supposed to eat?

[Peter Sagal]

That's a good question.

[Olivia]

Chew on those microplastics.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. All right, here is your last.

[Bill Curtis]

Let me, Jeffrey D. Almost seems plain vanilla, baby Zodiacs, more of a thriller shows with true crime made the creep quotient climb. My kids named like a serial killer?

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. According to the Mirror tabloid, there's been a rise in British families naming their babies after criminals and killers from true crime documentaries. Oh, geez. No, the theory is people are like, oh, Rose, Rose. You know, Rose is a lovely name. Where did I hear it? Oh, yeah, that Netflix show about the woman who murdered all those people. I happen to have a son named Ted. And yes, he's named after Ted Bundy, but Bundy was very, very. He had a lot of other qualities.

[Emmy Blotnick]

I always assumed it was Kosinski, but I know you're more of a murder family.

[Peter Sagal]

Bill, how did Molly do in our quiz?

[Bill Curtis]

We have a smart bunch of people. That's perfect.

[Peter Sagal]

Well done, Molly. Three in a row. Thank you.

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[Peter Sagal]

Now onto the final game. Lightning. Fill in the blank. Each of our players will have 60 seconds in which to answer as many fill in the blank questions as they can. Each correct answer now worth two points. Bill, can you give us the scores?

[Bill Curtis]

Faith has three. Hari and Emmy each have two.

[Peter Sagal]

Okay, that means Hari and Emmy are tied for second. And I'm going to arbitrarily choose Emmy to go first. So here we go. The clock. The clock will Start when they begin your first question. Fill in the blank. On Thursday, emergency workers said they were still looking for over 160 missing people following the flooding in Blank.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Texas.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. According to new data from the CDC, US blank cases have hit a 33 year high.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Measles.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. This week, Russia launched its largest aerial assault on Blank.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Ukraine.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. After being freed from ICE detention, Mahmoud Khalil filed a $20 million lawsuit against Blank.

[Emmy Blotnick]

The government.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. The Trump administration. For at least the second time, police in Wisconsin doing a routine traffic stop found a bag full of drugs labeled blank.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Cheese curds.

[Peter Sagal]

No, it was labeled. The bag full of drugs was labeled. Quote, definitely not a bag full of drugs. On Thursday, video game actors agreed to a new contract ending in 11 month long blunt blank strike. Right. On Wednesday, a 70 million year old blank was discovered under Denver's Museum of Nature and Science.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Fossil.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah, dinosaur fossil. This week, a man in Switzerland who got trapped while hiking on a glacier credits Blank with saving his life.

[Emmy Blotnick]

A dj.

[Peter Sagal]

I'm just pausing to think how that would work.

[Emmy Blotnick]

Don't think about how it would work.

[Peter Sagal]

Just say no decreases. He credits his Chihuahua with saving his life. A man went hiking on a glacier with his little Chihuahua and fell into a steep crevasse where he got trapped. And when rescuers came searching for him, they say they never would have found him except for the tiny little brown thing yapping at the crevasse's edge. When asked why he took a Chihuahua hiking on a glacier, the man said they were out of air horns and emergency whistles, so he bought the next best thing. Bill, how did Emmy do in our course? Six.

[Bill Curtis]

Right.

[Peter Sagal]

12 more points.

[Bill Curtis]

Total of 14. Good for the lead.

[Peter Sagal]

Very well done. All right, Hari, you are up next. Please fill in the blank. On Wednesday, it was revealed that the FBI was investigating former Director Blank for potentially making false statements to Congress.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Comey.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. This week, an imposter used AI to contact foreign officials posing as Secretary of State Blank.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Marco Rubio.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. This week, President Trump threatened Brazil with a 50% blank if they did not end their prosecution of higher Bolsonaro tariffs. Right. According to the Labor Department, the blank rate for black Americans rose to its highest level in three years.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Unemployment.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. To make the visitor experience more pleasant, London's Heathrow Airport said they would begin piping in the sounds of blank at their airport.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Poker.

[Peter Sagal]

No, quote, the sounds of an airport. On Wednesday, a judge blocked a Biden era law which would make it easier to cancel online blanks Subscriptions. Right. On Tuesday, doctors warned that the trend of Taping your Blank shut while you sleep poses major health risks. Mouth. Right. This week, a man in the UK Was arrested when police caught him selling drugs at Blank Preschool. At his sentencing hearing for selling drugs. According to police, the man was caught selling pills and weed to another defendant while they both awaited their sentencing hearings. After being caught doing that, the man pleaded guilty to those charges because. What are you gonna do, sentence me twice? Oh, you are. Damn it. Bill, how did Hari do in our quiz?

[Bill Curtis]

Well, he has a total of 14, which means he's tithed with Emmy.

[Peter Sagal]

Well done.

[Bill Curtis]

Hey, hey, hey there.

[Peter Sagal]

All right, how many then, does Faith need to win the game?

[Bill Curtis]

Six to win.

[Peter Sagal]

All right, Faith, this is for the game. Here we go. On Thursday, a judge once again blocked President Trump's attempts to end Blank.

[Olivia]

Birthright citizenship.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. On Thursday, famous baby hippo Blank celebrated its first birthday.

[Olivia]

Oh, me dang.

[Peter Sagal]

Close enough. Mu. Dang. This week, several families in North Carolina complained with they learned a classic car show would be held at Blank.

[Olivia]

Uh, a school gymnasium at the local cemetery.

[Peter Sagal]

On Thursday, Italian chocolate company Ferrero bought breakfast cereal giant blank for $3.1 billion.

[Olivia]

Kellogg.

[Peter Sagal]

Yes. On Wednesday, Netflix announced that the 10th season of its reboot of makeover show Blanc would be the last Queer Eye, Right? This week, researchers discovered a new trend among chimpanzees in Zambia. They're all starting to blame.

[Olivia]

Oh, they wear pieces of grass in their ears.

[Peter Sagal]

They do. In their ears and also between their butt cheeks. Researchers are calling it butt grass, and it's exactly what it sounds like. It doesn't have anything to do with health or hygiene. Chimps just like putting grass in their butts for fun. Wow. Chimpanzees really are just like us, aren't they, Bill? Did Faith do well enough to win game?

[Bill Curtis]

So close. Five, right? 10 more points, total of 13 means Hari and Emmy are the winners this week.

[Peter Sagal]

Oh, how? How will you split the prize money.

[Emmy Blotnick]

In our butt cheeks?

[Bill Curtis]

Good place.

[Peter Sagal]

Good choice. In just a minute, we're going to ask our panelists to predict now that we can leave our shoes on what would be the next thing we will be allowed to do at the airport. But first, let me tell you all that. Wait, wait, don't tell me. It's a production of NPR and WBEZ Chicago in association with Urgent Haircut Productions. Doug Berman, benevolent Overlord. Philip Gicker is our limericks. Our public address announcer is Paul Friedman. Our tour manager is Shayna Donald, BJ Lederman, composer. Our theme our program is produced by Jennifer Mills, Miles Sternboss and Lillian King. Special thanks to Vinnie Thomas and Monica Hickey. Peter Gwynn is the winner in our straw poll. Emma Choi is our vibe curator. Technical direction is from Lorna White. Our CFO is Colin Miller. Our production manager is Robert Newhouse. Our senior producer is Ian Chillag. And the executive producer of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is Mike Danforth. Now, panel, what will we be finally allowed to do at the airport? Next?

[Emmy Blotnick]

Emmy Block, fly with explosives.

[Hari Kondabolu]

Hari Kondabolu, use your Costco card as a valid form of identification.

[Olivia]

And Faith Saley, check your child in the overhead compartment.

[Bill Curtis]

And if any of that happens, panel, we'll ask you about it on Wait, Wait, don't tell me.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you, Bill Curtis. Thanks also to Emmy Blotnik, Hari Thunderbolu and Faith Sally. Thanks to the staffing crew at the Des Moines Civic Center. Special thanks to Andrea Hansen and everyone in Iowa Public Radio. And thanks to our fabulous audience here in Des Moines. And thanks to all of you for listening wherever you might be this week. I'm Peter Sagal. We'll see you next week. This is npr.

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