WWDTM: Sterling K. Brown, Nathan Lane, Brian Tyree Henry, and Vanessa Bayer

Summary

Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! — August 23, 2025

Featured Guests: Nathan Lane, Sterling K. Brown, Brian Tyree Henry, Vanessa Bayer
Host: Peter Sagal
Panelists: Various (including Peter Grosz, Rachel Feinstein, Shantira Jackson, Joyelle, Zach, etc.)
Guest Scorekeepers: Alzo Slade, Choki Janssen
Location: Studebaker Theater, Chicago
Duration: Approx. 52 min (content-focused)

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Episode Overview

This vacation-themed "best of" episode of NPR’s Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! features highlights from the past year, showcasing memorable interviews, games, and comedic moments with celebrity guests and beloved comedians. The episode includes standout conversations with actor Nathan Lane, actor Sterling K. Brown, comedian and actor Brian Tyree Henry, and SNL alum Vanessa Bayer. Core topics range from Broadway and TV anecdotes, the quirks of retirement communities, and BTS fandom, to unique approaches to humor and personal reflection.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Nathan Lane on Career Highs and Lows

(Starts ~[01:10])

Discussion Highlights

• TV Flops and Success:

  • Nathan recounts early unsuccessful sitcoms, including "One of the Boys" with Mickey Rooney and Dana Carvey, and a short-lived show with "Frasier" creators.
  • His new sitcom, "Mid Century Modern," pitched as "a gay Golden Girls," proved a more natural fit.
  • Quote — Nathan Lane ([03:28]):
    "I thought, well, that's kind of redundant... but I read [the script] and I thought it was hilarious."

• Frequently Cast as Jewish Characters:

  • Peter Sagal confesses he only recently learned Nathan Lane isn't Jewish, leading into a discussion of being an "honorary Jew" through roles like Nathan Detroit in "Guys and Dolls."
  • Quote — Nathan Lane ([04:29]):
    "At this point, I'm an honorary Jew... once I played that part, I have played many, many other Jewish characters."

• Broadway Beginnings & Magic Mishaps:

  • Clarifies that his Broadway debut was "Present Laughter" (1982), not "Merlin."
  • Describes magician Doug Henning's hippie aura and why magic musicals are best avoided.
  • Quote — Nathan Lane ([06:23]):
    "The first rule of musical theater, don't do a show that's built around magic tricks or illusions... Yes, it was doomed from the start."

Game: "Hey, Stay in Your Lane, Nathan Lane"

(Starts ~[08:13])

• Driving-related trivia, despite Nathan not driving.
• Jokes about Finland’s income-based speeding fines, dummies in the carpool lane, and the risks of autonomous taxis in LA.
• Quote — Nathan Lane ([11:07]):
  "I'm gonna go with the arsonist in the audience." (On mobs attacking self-driving cars)

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2. Panel Banter & Games with Audience Involvement

(Starts ~[14:50])

• WNBA Mascot Change:

  • Chicago Sky replaces "Sky Guy" (male mascot) with "Sky the Lioness," poking fun at gender roles in sports.
  • Quote — Peter Sagal ([17:04]):
    "As everyone knows, male lions basically just lie around all day while female lions hustle in defense and are totally selfless with the ball."

• Scientifically Debunking Pool Myths:

  • Reinforces that kids no longer need to wait after eating before swimming.
  • Quote — Peter Sagal ([18:37]):
    "You can eat all you want, jump off the diving board, have a sandwich on the way down."

• The "Danny DeVito Rule":

  • Fun debate about whether romantic comedies would still work if the male lead were Danny DeVito.
  • Quote — Peter Sagal ([19:30]):
    "Would it still be charming... or does she get a restraining order?"

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3. Sterling K. Brown: Keeping Secrets and Keeping It Real

(Starts ~[22:02])

Conversation Highlights

• "Paradise" & "This Is Us":

  • Struggles with promoting shows that revolve around plot twists.
  • Jokes about the pitfalls of giving away spoilers.
  • Quote — Sterling K. Brown ([22:23]):
    "The whole time when you're talking about 'This Is Us,' you're like... all these people are related."

• Podcast with Wife & Ayahuasca Experience:

  • Shares about "We Don't Always Agree," his podcast with wife Ryan Michelle Bathe.
  • Describes their ayahuasca trip in Costa Rica, and the major lesson learned.
  • Quote — Sterling K. Brown ([25:36]):
    "We all sort of delude ourselves into thinking that we have some degree of control over what happens next. Really, all we have control over is our response..."

• First Jobs & Economics:

  • Previously an intern at the Federal Reserve; found the work boring and left for acting.
  • Quote — Sterling K. Brown ([26:18]):
    "It led me to... knowing that I was bored to tears working at the Federal Reserve Bank."

Game: "A Retirement Paradise"

(Starts ~[27:17])

• Trivia about the Jimmy Buffett-themed Margaritaville retirement communities (e.g., tricked-out golf carts, QVC watch parties, and Jimmy Buffett nearly becoming a marijuana smuggler).

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4. Vanessa Bayer: Humor in Adversity & SNL Memories

(Starts ~[33:44])

Discussion Highlights

• Family Humor & Leukemia Experience:

  • Vanessa credits her family's humor with helping her cope as a teen with leukemia, a trait she calls "dropping the L-bomb" to gain sympathy perks for years after.
  • Quote — Vanessa Bayer ([35:26]):
    "If you survive something like that... you should get perks forever."

• SNL Audition:

  • Approached the audition with optimism and presence; surprised when executives actually laughed at her characters.
  • Did not use her famous "bar mitzvah boy" but another "little boy who is really into rocks."
  • Quote — Vanessa Bayer ([36:45]):
    "I want to be so present for this."

Game: "It's a Golden Jubilee"

(Starts ~[37:46])

• Quizzed on 50th anniversaries: "Jaws" score's first reaction, 50 Cent's feud tricks, and Elizabeth Taylor's brief remarriage.

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5. Brian Tyree Henry: Career Firsts and Pop Culture References

(Starts ~[42:41])

Conversation Highlights

• Playing Smokey Bear:

  • Claims it's his "born to play" role, muses about shirtless method acting in national parks.
  • Quote — Brian Tyree Henry ([43:10]):
    "To be honest with you, it feels like the role I was born to play."

• "Mary, Kiss, Kill": Bears Edition:

  • Marries Smokey (for park benefits), kisses Paddington (marmalade), kills Winnie the Pooh (lack of pants).
  • Quote — Brian Tyree Henry ([43:51]):
    "Gotta kill Winnie. Cause put your pants on."

• Recognized as "Paperboy":

  • Now also recognized for "Dope Thief," especially at the grocery store.
  • Quote — Brian Tyree Henry ([45:47]):
    "Paperboy. I can be in places with a population of 300 and somebody screams paperboy."

Game: "BTH Meet BTS"

(Starts ~[46:47])

• Trivia about K-pop band BTS: global tourism, lyrics vetting by a women’s studies professor, and South Korea’s military service loophole for pop stars.
• Lots of self-aware guessing and comedic fluster.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Nathan Lane on TV Show Pitches ([02:06]):
  • "By the time the premise was... finished explaining it, people had left the room."
• Sterling K. Brown on Control ([25:36]):
  • "All we have control over is our response to what happens next."
• Vanessa Bayer on SNL Audition ([36:45]):
  • "I want to be so present for this."
• Brian Tyree Henry on Recognizability ([45:47]):
  • "Paperboy... somebody is going to scream paperboy at me."

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Nathan Lane Interview & Game: [01:10] – [11:35]
• Mascot/Panel Banter: [14:50] – [21:31]
• Sterling K. Brown Interview & Game: [22:02] – [31:00]
• Vanessa Bayer Interview & Game: [33:44] – [41:10]
• Brian Tyree Henry Interview & Game: [42:41] – [50:31]

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains Wait Wait’s signature blend of quick-fire wit, self-deprecating humor, pop culture references, and warm camaraderie. Celebrities and comedians riff off each other with running gags about driving, mascot gender politics, and the experience of being recognized in public. Many quotes feature tongue-in-cheek references, especially to podcasting, acting, and showbiz.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode captures the joy and unpredictability of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! at its best, zig-zagging between backstage showbiz stories, offbeat trivia, and spontaneous hilarity. Celebrity guests open up about failures and discoveries, all while playing along with the show’s delightfully weird games. The panel’s irreverent commentary ensures laughter and a feel-good “summer break” spirit throughout.

Transcript

[Peter Sagal]

This message comes from FOCUS Features. The time has come to say goodbye. Downton Abbey returns for one final unforgettable event. And everything has led to this. See Downton Abbey, the grand finale on the big screen, Only in theaters September 12th.

[Bill Curtis]

From NPR and WBEZ Chicago, this is Wait, wait, don't tell me, the NPR News quiz. I'm the man they called Billo Vera because my voice can soothe any sunburn. Bill Curtis. And here's your host at the Studebaker Theatre in the Fine Arts Building in Chicago, Illinois, Peter Sagal.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you, Bill. Thanks, everybody. It's the second week of our summer break and even though I am recording this in advance, I can confidently say it's not working. We need more vacation.

[Bill Curtis]

We must relax harder.

[Peter Sagal]

More, more, more. While we redouble our efforts to expend zero effort, here are some of the wonderful things we actually put work into last year.

[Bill Curtis]

In May, Peter and guest scorekeeper Alzo Slade were joined by actor Nathan Lane, the star of the hit sitcom Mid Century Modern. It wasn't his first TV show, but it was his first one that lasted.

[Peter Sagal]

This is not the first time you have starred in a TV show though. But, but it may be the most successful.

[Nathan Lane]

I mean, you know, in terms of a multi camera show in front of a live audience, I've done a couple in the past that haven't been so successful. So this has been a great pleasure.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. And so what happened? Did you just have poor luck in the past?

[Nathan Lane]

Well, I don't know. How much time do you have? When I was a kid, I was cast in a show, a situation comedy starring Mickey Rooney and Dana Carvey called One of the Boys.

[Peter Sagal]

Okay.

[Nathan Lane]

And that was, I knew going into that it was not going to last. And Dana still talks about it. He's still traumatized by Mickey Rooney, as we all were. And, and then I did a show with the creators of Frasier and I thought that would be a good idea. They had won the Emmy five years in a row and they pitched me an idea I didn't like and then I pitched them an idea they didn't like. And then they came up with this idea that we wound up doing in which I was going to play a famous opera singer who lost his voice in a freak accident and had to leave the the opera world. And he went to live with his mother and sister at their winery in the Napa Valley. By the time the premise was you were finished explaining it, people had left the room. So that didn't go so well.

[Peter Sagal]

So this is exciting the show. Let's talk about Mid Century Modern.

[Nathan Lane]

Okay.

[Peter Sagal]

My understanding is that it was pitched to you. This is made by the creators of the classic and brilliant sitcom Will and Grace. And they came to you and they said it's a gay Golden Girls. Is that correct? Is that how they pitched it?

[Nathan Lane]

Yes. And I thought, well, that's kind of redundant. But it was actually Ryan Murphy. I was working for Ryan Murphy doing this miniseries about the Menendez brothers. And he, he had read this script and he had never done a situation comedy before, a multi camera situation comedy, but he thought the script was great and they had written it, I was told, with me in mind. And so I read it and I thought it was hilarious. And that's how it all came to be.

[Peter Sagal]

I'm going to confess something. I have been a fan of yours for decades and I only found out this week that you are not in fact Jewish. And when I got over my shock, increased respect for you as an actor, I mean, do you, do you and.

[Nathan Lane]

John, I really, I'm at this point, I'm an honorary Jew.

[Peter Sagal]

I was about to say.

[Nathan Lane]

This goes back to, you know, 1992 doing guys and Dolls on Broadway and playing Nathan Detroit. And then. But once I played that part, it has certainly. I have played many, many other Jewish characters.

[Peter Sagal]

I know it. I thought you were just coasting.

[Nathan Lane]

One of my favorite roles are Jewish.

[Peter Sagal]

I wanted to ask you quickly, when you were on the show last time, you talked about some odd jobs you had, but we were looking over your resume and you are a Broadway legend. I don't know how many Tonys you've won. You're just rule that street. But I found out that you're me.

[Nathan Lane]

I've won three.

[Peter Sagal]

Three? You keep count? I don't keep count. One pony for each panelist. Exactly. But I found out that your Broadway debut was very surprising to me. It was a show called Merlin with. No, no, it was not your Broadway debut.

[Nathan Lane]

No, that's wrong.

[Peter Sagal]

You actually get a point for that, Nathan.

[Nathan Lane]

My Broadway debut was in 1982 at the Circle and Square Theater. I did a revival of the Noel Coward play Present Laughter directed by and starring George C. For Cuddles Scott Patton. For those who remember George C. I remember him well.

[Peter Sagal]

But that. Yeah, but then. But so I'm sorry, that was not. But then you did Merlin with Doug Henning. Doug Henning was this. For those who don't remember, he was a very famous magician in like the 70s who was sort of famous for his sort of, shall we say, hippie Aura. Would that be accurate?

[Nathan Lane]

Absolutely. Marty Short on sctv, used to do an impression of him. He had a. He had a severe overbite and he did not. He was trying to bring magic back to the magic profession. And so he. He did not refer to what he did as tricks, but they were illusions. And he was a lovely man. And Doug was. I don't know if you've heard, but he was a triple threat. He couldn't sing, act or he was, but he was a lovely guy. And, you know, the first rule of musical theater, don't do a show that's built around magic tricks or illusions. So, yeah, it did have a little bit of a run, but yes, it was doomed from the start.

[Peter Sagal]

And yet here you are.

[Nathan Lane]

And when I remember having to tell. I had to leave present. LAUGHTER and I had to tell George C. Scott that I was leaving the show to do this musical. So he knocked on my door and I opened my. And he said to me, you're leaving me to do a magic show.

[Peter Sagal]

This is gonna be the outtakes for people that support public radio at a.

[Nathan Lane]

Very high dollar number.

[Peter Sagal]

I have mixed feelings about making you play. I'd just rather hear more stories. But you know the rules. If you come in the show, you play a game, Nathan. And this time, we have asked you here to play a game.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

We're calling, hey, stay in your lane, Nathan Lane.

[Peter Sagal]

So, yeah, your name being Nathan Lane, as we all know, we were going to ask you about staying in your lane and other driving related matters. Answer two.

[Nathan Lane]

You're kidding. Because you know I don't drive.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, I wondered about that. I wondered about that.

[Nathan Lane]

You picked the wrong game for me.

[Peter Sagal]

It's like a Zen thing. An empty mind leads to success. Here, here we go. Who is Nathan Lane playing for?

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

David Young of Phoenix, Arizona.

[Peter Sagal]

Finland is pretty serious about speeding tickets. When one guy was pulled over in 2023 for driving less than 20 miles an hour over the speed limit, what happened to him? A, the gas was drained from his car by police and he had to push it home. B, he was fined more than $100,000 or C, he was forced to stand on a nearby corner for a whole day and hold up a sign saying, I am sorry.

[Nathan Lane]

I think the last one, the sign.

[Peter Sagal]

He had to stand on.

[Nathan Lane]

The sign saying I'm sorry in Finnish presumably in Finnish. Exactly.

[Peter Sagal]

No, he was actually fined more than $100,000. You see, Finland has this system where they have a sliding scale for moving violation fines based on your income. And he was really rich.

[Nathan Lane]

Wow.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah. You both have two more questions. And you have a lot of fans in this room, so I think you'll be okay. We get news accounts every week about people using dummies to drive in the carpool lane. Are you aware of this, Nathan? Perhaps you've seen it in California. High occupancy.

[Nathan Lane]

I always travel with dummies. Exactly.

[Peter Sagal]

And one such person who tried that got himself into even more trouble when he got pulled over and the highway patrolman gave up to give him a ticket for driving in the carpool lane with a dummy. What did the man do to get himself in trouble? A, he claimed, that's not a dummy, that's where I hide all my drugs. B, leaned over to the dummy and said loudly enough for the cop to hear, don't worry, I got this. Or C, just quickly swapped seats and claimed the dummy was driving.

[Nathan Lane]

I say he leaned over and said, don't worry, I got this.

[Peter Sagal]

You're right. You're right. All right, you have one more question. If you get this right, you win. If you don't like driving, you can take one of those self driving taxis that are now cruising around Los Angeles and San Francisco. But you should be aware they come with a bit of a risk. What is that risk? A, the taxis are programmed to find the shortest route to the destination, which has led to them driving through houses, up stairways and down into sewers. B, they periodically interface with your phone and take you to places from your incognito mode. Search history. Oh, no. Or C, the mobs of people who sometimes attack the cars and set them on fire.

[Nathan Lane]

Okay, well, I'm gonna go with the arsonist in the audience.

[Peter Sagal]

You're right. That's what's happening. So far. I should say they haven't done it to any autonomous taxi with a passenger in it, but they have done it. And one of these days they might get carried away. Also, how did Nathan Lane do on our quiz this time?

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

He got enough points to win the game and an honorary driver's license.

[Peter Sagal]

Well done, Nathan Lane. I cannot tell you what a thrill it is for me to talk to you after a lifetime of being a fan. Nathan Lane is starring in Mid Century Modern on Hulu. Nathan Lane, thank you so much for being with us today. What a pleasure to have you. When we come back, we've got panel questions you've never heard before. Plus Tig Notaro and Sterling K. Brown, all included at no extra charge. That's when we return with more. Wait, wait, Don't Tell me. From npr, this message comes from Cook Unity. Choose from hundreds of meals prepared by award winning chefs. Flexible commitment, Free subscriptions. Skip deliveries. Pause or cancel anytime. Crush your health goals with mouth watering chef crafted meals delivered straight to your door. Go to cookunity.com wait or enter code wait before checkout for 50% off your first week. That's 50% off your first week by using code wait or going to cookunity.com wait.

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[Bill Curtis]

From NPR and WBEC Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, don't tell Me, the NPR News Quiz. I'm Bill Curtis and here is your host at the Studebaker Theater in downtown Chicago, Peter Sagal.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you, Bill. Thank you everybody. While we may be wasting our vacation by doom scrolling the news, at least we're doing it while getting a tan. While we soak up the sun, how about you soak up some of our favorite moments from the past year?

[Bill Curtis]

We don't broadcast everything we do some things we save because our parents never taught us to share. So here are some questions for our panelists that you've never heard before.

[Peter Sagal]

Joyel this week the Chicago Sky WNBA team unveiled their new mascot, sky the Lioness, replacing their old mascot, which was what? A duck? Not a duck. Sky. I don't know. An elephant.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Ellie the elephant.

[Peter Sagal]

His signature moves, his signature moves were like spreading his legs in the subway and explaining to the female team members how they should play the game. Don't talk to me like this, okay? Take me out to dinner first. Peter A man. A man. The mascot for the Chicago WNBA team was a man known just as Sky Guy, who would appear on the court with a big mascot outfit, with sunglasses, a really big jaw, a jetpack for some reason, and according to his official bio, five younger sisters who play basketball. Oh, I get it. Right? As a man with sisters, he understands everything about their struggles and would like to speak for them. More proof that men shouldn't be able to vote on things. Yeah, I'm just going to keep. Every time he says duck, I say man shouldn't be able to vote. This is the wildest game of Duck.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Duck Goose I've ever heard of.

[Peter Sagal]

I know what it is.

[Sterling K. Brown]

No, wait a minute.

[Peter Sagal]

Hold on. This is not. Stop. We fully lost control. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody calm down. In Minnesota, two things. Two things. I know that here you call it Duck, Duck, gray duck. I know that. Remember, I lived here. That's all I did.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Peter Hatties.

[Peter Sagal]

Secondly, Peter Harris.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Do I have to pull this show over voice?

[Peter Sagal]

Pretty much, because I want to point out, like a real sky gu. Like a real sky guy. I was sky splaining that. The Chicago sky has finally decided that maybe as a premier women's basketball team, we should not have a guy as our mascot. And they've replaced it with Skye the lioness, inspired by the famous lions outside the Chicago Art Institute. It is, of course, a female lion, because as everyone knows, male lions basically just lie around all day while female lions hustle in defense and are totally selfless with the ball. And here's the thing. It's not going to be. It's not going to be a sudden transition. The two mascots will share duties through the end of the season, at which point sky the lioness will eat Sky Guy alive. On cinematic Duck, Duck Grey Goose. Duck, Duck, Grey Goose. No. Duck Duck. Grey Goose is the adult version that Jeff. A day at the pool is going to be different now for children after scientists have proven that the kids do not have to do what? Get out to pee. No. I feel it important to say as we are broadcast to many families listening together. Yes, you still have to get out to pee. This is something I will say for absolute. My mother told me this when I was a little.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Oh, you don't have to wait an hour before you get into the pool after you eat.

[Peter Sagal]

Exactly right. You don't have to wait to swim after eating. You can eat all you want, jump off the diving board, have a sandwich on the way down. However, science does confirm that the pool water will turn blue if you pee in it.

[Sterling K. Brown]

So, well, lesson learned the hard way.

[Peter Sagal]

Were you guys told this when you were kids?

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Yeah, but it was a full hour for me. It was only half an hour for you.

[Peter Sagal]

Well, actually, my mother, she was a Jewish mother. She worried. It was the next day. Zach, this week, the Internet debated something called the Danny DeVito rule. Now, that is a theory that the way to tell if a romantic comedy is actually good is it is good if it would work. If What?

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

If Danny DeVito was the romantic male lead in it.

[Peter Sagal]

Exactly. Right. So this is the test. This is the test. We all see these rom coms, and the handsome guy goes to great lengths to win the girl. Right? But would it still be charming and not kind of creepy and scary if instead of, like, a heartthrob, the role was played by Danny DeVito? Right. So think of, say, Danny DeVito holding a boombox over his head outside his girlfriend's window. From the movie. Say anything. Is that still adorable, or does she get a restraining order? But not all rom coms would fail the test. Pretty Woman still would work with Danny DeVito. When Harry Met Sally. Absolutely. Titanic. Yes. And Danny DeVito would have fit on the door. Is this a dissatisfaction on Danny DeVito or a diss on the fact that.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Most rom coms suck?

[Peter Sagal]

I think it is meant to be the last. Okay, hold on. Because there's entire industries and life itself based on men thinking women are hot or not, right? Right. And so women get this one little area of culture, right, where they're allowed to think that the guy is cute and pictures themselves making out with him. And now that's being threatened by Danny DeVito. Wait a minute, McGeen. They're not actually going to put Danny DeVito in the movies. I know. I'm escalating the threats. I understand. I just want you to know you will still go to the movies, and there'll be handsome men. It's okay if the movies are garbage and just it's about the guy being handsome. I just want to let women have one thing. All right, Jerry Maguire. You had me at hello.

[Nathan Lane]

That's a very specific Danny DeVito.

[Peter Sagal]

That was actually Danny DeVito as the Penguin. I got it, Adam. If you're listening to the show and feeling a little left out, come see us live. You can see us most weeks in Chicago at the Studebaker theater. And on September 18th, we'll be in St. Louis, Missouri, at the fabulous Fox Theater. For tickets and information, go to nprpresents.org.

[Bill Curtis]

During the show in April, we had the chance to talk to two people we admire a lot.

[Peter Sagal]

Actor Sterling K. Brown, who was then starring in a new show called paradise, and comedian Tig Notaro, who was starring on our panel.

[Bill Curtis]

Peter asked Sterling K. Brown about his frustrating problem both with paradise and his prior show, this Is Us. He couldn't really talk about the show without spoiling the big reveal.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Yeah, it's the same creator of the show, so I can say that Dan Fogelman created this Is Us. Created Paradise. Very talented man. Love him dearly. But the whole time when you're talking about this is Us, you're like, oh, it's a family drama and it's got, you know, all the feels and all that kind of stuff, but if you know the end of the pilot, you're like, wait a minute. All these people are related. You know what I'm saying? Sorry if I ruined anything. For people who haven't watched this discuss. It's been out for a really long time.

[Peter Sagal]

That's the Us. Oh, my God. I didn't know who it was about. Yes, famously. I think I can talk about this. The pilot of this Is Us, this family drama. You're having all these different characters, and then you find out at the very end that you've been watching in different timelines, and some of these characters are the parents of these other characters who are now grown into adults. How nice. So have you tried talking about what the twist in the new show paradise is not? So, for example, it turns out that your character is James Marsden's grown son. That would be funny. That would be. Have you come up with any tricks or, like, well, you know, to be.

[Sterling K. Brown]

The adult son of more white people, I think would be going to the. Well.

[Peter Sagal]

Kids.

[Sterling K. Brown]

It's definitely not that. I usually just try to talk about the things that I can. The president dies in the pilot, but most folks say you see that in the preview.

[Peter Sagal]

Right? Right. Yeah.

[Nathan Lane]

Yeah.

[Sterling K. Brown]

And I say that that's the.

[Peter Sagal]

Right. Yeah. So, yeah.

[Sterling K. Brown]

And the whole audience going, which president? The president in the show.

[Peter Sagal]

In the show. Yeah. Everybody calm down. I have to ask you about another project. You do. You do. And I believe you're coming back and doing it again. A podcast with your wife, right?

[Sterling K. Brown]

I do indeed. My wife and I, Ryan Michelle Bathe, we do a podcast called We Don't Always Agree, which pretty much spoiler. Yeah. It describes most marriages, but we've been married. We just celebrated 19 years in March.

[Peter Sagal]

Mazel tov. March. March. What? I want to write this. So you had an episode where you talked about the fact that you did ayahuasca together.

[Sterling K. Brown]

That is Correct.

[Peter Sagal]

That is correct. Whose idea was that? And again, I mean, the podcast. It was mine.

[Sterling K. Brown]

The podcast is my wife's idea. Ayahuasca was my idea. We're both what we like to call crunchy granola black people. So we don't really fit in the box of, like, typical sort of things. Like, we like to do what they call white people stuff.

[Peter Sagal]

So you are on NPR right now. Yay. I know.

[Sterling K. Brown]

I'm on NPR right now.

[Peter Sagal]

That's good.

[Sterling K. Brown]

That was really good. But the ayahuasca, we went to Costa Rica. It's one of the few licensed dispensaries of the medicine in the world, and I think we were interested in seeing. A friend of mine described it to me as. It unlocks blind spots that you weren't aware that you had.

[Peter Sagal]

And can you share what your blind spots were, please?

[Sterling K. Brown]

The biggest blind spot in all.

[Peter Sagal]

Is.

[Sterling K. Brown]

That we all sort of delude ourselves into thinking that we have some degree of control over what happens next. And really, all we have control over is our response to what happens next. That's probably the biggest takeaway.

[Peter Sagal]

You know what else is a way of finding out? Wow, write that down. Do you know what else is a way of finding out? You have no control. But what happens is being on stage with Tig Natar. I want to ask you one more thing, which is I love working actors, the guys who. And women who put in their time, and I love asking them about the odd jobs they might have done. Is it true that before getting into acting, you were an intern at the Federal Reserve?

[Sterling K. Brown]

Yeah, that's right. That's correct. I was an economics major when I was in undergrad, and I think thought that. That being an intern at the Fed was going to be something that led to me doing some sort of investment banking thing or what have you. And really what it led me to, Pete, was knowing that I was bored to tears working at the Federal Reserve Bank. Really something else. Yeah.

[Peter Sagal]

Do you ever find yourself, you know, since, like, financial policy is so much in the news, whipping out a. Well, you know, as a former employee at the Federal Reserve, I can comment.

[Sterling K. Brown]

I try to comment as little as possible. People don't want to hear from actors about most, so I just try to keep staying my life.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah, said the guy with a podcast. Well, well, Sterling K. Brown, it is a personal pleasure to be talking to you. And we have asked you here, in fact, to play a game that this.

[Bill Curtis]

Time we're calling a retirement paradise.

[Peter Sagal]

So your show, as we've discussed, is about a community Called Paradise. Very mysterious. So we're going to ask you about a community that claims to be a paradise and isn't mysterious at all. Jimmy Buffett's Latitude Margaritaville Retirement Communities.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Come on now, come on.

[Peter Sagal]

Answer two out of three questions about what sounds like really a terrific place to be, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners, Bill, who is Sterling K. Brown playing for?

[Bill Curtis]

Irene Chan of San Francisco, California.

[Peter Sagal]

All right, all right, Irene, here we go. Here's your first question. The Margaritaville Retirement community calls itself your home in Paradise. And down there near the eastern coast of Florida, they offer a wide variety of amenities, including which of these A, the hangar workshop where residents are invited to, quote, trick out their golf carts. B, Jimmy Buffett karaoke, which happens every night, or C, a nude beach.

[Sterling K. Brown]

All right, I think if you're in a retirement community, you're not trying to drop trial. So then the first one was tricking out the golf cart. It is Florida, it's golf courses. That seems like it's gonna be the answer.

[Peter Sagal]

And it is. That's right. Yeah. They like a lot of retirement communities because they're sort of self employed, closed, people ride around in golf carts instead of cars, and as you can imagine, drunken golf cart driving is a persistent problem down there. All right, here's your next question. You got one right. Let's go for two. Margaritaville prides itself on being a place where people, quote, 55 and better can, quote, grow old, but not up, unquote. And that explains why their monthly newsletter once contained what exciting phrase? A, Burt took over the DJ booth for trap music night. B, party starts at 4 and ends when you pass out. Or C, look at all the fun our residents had at the QVC Watch party.

[Sterling K. Brown]

This one I'm believing, B makes the most sense. The party starts at 4 and ends whenever.

[Peter Sagal]

I'm pretty sure they might have said that at one time, but the one we saw was the fun at the QVC Watch party. The line to get in the QVC Watch party went down the block. Now, this is all right because there's one more to go. If you get this right, you win everything. Now, the founder, of course, was the late Jimmy Buffett. Quite a remarkable guy with a remarkable career. And he found his musical success relatively late in life. In fact, after years of trying and failing to be successful in music, he was just about to quit it and go into what business when he did finally have his first hit record. So what was he going to be? A, a marijuana smuggler. B, he was going to go into private equity or C, he was going to go into the Catholic priesthood. The audience is all yelling. A marijuana smuggler.

[Sterling K. Brown]

They're saying, I hear him. I hear Chicago live. I gotta go with the crowd, baby. Let's go.

[Peter Sagal]

A yes, yes, it is. A. He says that, you know, he was living down in Florida and he was just about to buy a Boston Whaler to bring merchandise to the beach at night when his third album became a big hit and the Jimmy Buffett we know and love was born. Bill how did Sterling do in our quiz?

[Bill Curtis]

Two out of three she reached paradise.

[Peter Sagal]

Sterling K. Brown is an Emmy and Golden Globe winning actor whose new show is paradise, which you can stream on Hulu now or catch it Mondays on ABC starting April 7th. Sterling K. Brown, what an absolute joy to talk to you. Thank you so much for joining us. You're the best. When we come back, we hear from Saturday Night Live veteran Vanessa Baer and the voice of Smokey the Bear. We'll be back in a minute with more. Wait, wait, don't tell me. From npr, support for this podcast and the following message come from Mint Mobile. Summer is just around the corner. You may break a sweat, but don't break the bank. Get your summer savings at Mint Mobile Shop. Premium Wireless plans for just $15 a [e-mail] wait. Upfront payment $45 for a 3 month 5 gigabyte plan required. New customer offer for first 3 months only. Then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details. Support for this podcast and the following message come from Mint Mobile. Summer is just around the corner. You may break a sweat, but don't break the bank. Get your summer savings at Mint Mobile Shop. Premium Wireless plans for just $15 a [e-mail] wait. Upfront payment of $45 for 5 gigabyte plan required. New customer offer for first 3 months only. Then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details.

[Bill Curtis]

From NPR and WBEZ Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, the NPR News Quiz. I'm Bill Curtis, and here is your host at the Studebaker Theater in downtown Chicago, Illinois, Peter Siegel.

[Peter Sagal]

Thank you, Bill. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much. So as we've said, Bill and I and the rest of the crew were on vacation, and what better way to celebrate our time off than by listening to something that happened the last time we had time off?

[Bill Curtis]

Every time I listen, it's like I'm not there all over again.

[Peter Sagal]

In February of this year for the first time ever, both. Both Bill and I took the week off without either of us there. Is it even the same show?

[Bill Curtis]

It's like the Ship of Theseus or some other thing that a Stone College freshman thinks is profound.

[Peter Sagal]

Here's guest host Tom Papa and guest scorekeeper Choki Janssen talking to actor and SNL alum Vanessa Bayer, along with panelists Rachel Feinstein, Peter Gross, and Shantira Jackson.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

When you look at your body of work, you have this great ability of being so sweet and likable, and then you kind of have this subversive kind of cutting comedy. I guess my first question in real life, are you as sweet as you look?

[Vanessa Bayer]

Oh, I mean, you could ask Rachel. And to an extent, I think I am sweet, but I do love to gossip.

[Peter Sagal]

Yes, yes.

[Vanessa Bayer]

She's very lovely and warm, but she'll get into it.

[Peter Sagal]

Vanessa has never clutched pearls around me once.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

I've never seen her clutch her pearls. It seems that your whole family has a really great sense of humor. When I've heard you talk about your family, and especially they were especially helpful getting you through challenges when you were younger. Was that something that just came natural or did that come out of the challenges?

[Vanessa Bayer]

I think that me, you know, particularly when I was a teenager and I had leukemia, I think my family really, their senses of humor were, like, really, really came out. And I think it made us all kind of funnier because we learned that that was sort of a, you know, a thing that put us at ease. It put everybody we knew at ease. And so I think it. And made everyone funnier.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Right. Just to kind of get through it. And it's funny. I've heard you tell stories about how you start off just trying to, like, protect yourself and be strong, just all of you, just to get through it. But then when the skies started clearing and it seemed like you were going to be okay, you didn't really stop taking advantage of some of the goodwill that people had towards you.

[Vanessa Bayer]

I'm pretty sure I earned some stuff forever. Yeah, I would. You know, the big term in my family was dropping the L bomb. Like, you know, my dad got out of the speeding ticket because he said that I was sick. This was, like, year I was done with treatment and stuff. Like. Yeah, using it. You know, I feel like if you survive something like that, or honestly, if you survive anything, you should get perks forever.

[Peter Sagal]

Oh, yeah.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

At least, like a Starbucks gift card.

[Vanessa Bayer]

Come on.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

What did you get out of when you were a teenager?

[Vanessa Bayer]

Well, the huge thing was gym class.

[Peter Sagal]

But also I will say to this.

[Nathan Lane]

Day, you cannot climb up a rope and touch the top of the rope.

[Peter Sagal]

That's like one of her biggest flaws.

[Bill Curtis]

Yeah.

[Vanessa Bayer]

Then I have to live with that.

[Peter Sagal]

So that. That's a trade off. Yeah.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

I've never heard about your audition for snl. What was that like?

[Vanessa Bayer]

You know, I got myself into something, such a good headspace before my SNL audition, and I'm like, I'm just going to enjoy this. It feels like it's like going to lead to positive things. No matter. I mean, I'm a real big optimist. You can tell by the way I'm telling the story. But, like, I just was so excited to be there and I was like, I just want to be so present for this. Sorry to sound like we get it, but, like, I want to be so present for this.

[Peter Sagal]

Yeah.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

And did you know when you were done that you had, in fact, nailed it?

[Brian Tyree Henry]

I.

[Vanessa Bayer]

Well, I was told they're not gonna laugh, so don't be offended if they don't laugh. Nobody laughs, right? They did laugh. I remember after my first character, they laughed and I was like, whoa. I didn't even think this was possible.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

What was the character?

[Peter Sagal]

Was it the bar mitzvah kid?

[Vanessa Bayer]

No, I did a different little boy who is really into rocks.

[Peter Sagal]

I love that there's multiple, multiple little boys. Incredible.

[Vanessa Bayer]

Yeah, he was really into rose quartz.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

And they laughed right away.

[Vanessa Bayer]

Yeah, they laughed right away. And then they called me back a week later and I met with Lorne and I was told I would hear within the next day. And then so my parents stayed up all night.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

That's great.

[Vanessa Bayer]

We didn't hear. Then like a week later, I got.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

A call from my producer, Vanessa Baer. We've asked you here to play a game we're calling It's a Golden Jubilee.

[Vanessa Bayer]

Okay.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

You're helping SNL celebrate their golden 50th anniversary. But they're not the only one turning 50 this year. Answer our three questions about other things that started in 1975 and you'll win our prize for one of our listeners, the voice of their choice on their voicemail. Chiocchi. Who is Vanessa playing for?

[Announcer]

Liz Ward of Austin, Texas.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

All right, here's your first question. Jaws turns 50 this year and wouldn't be nearly as iconic without John Williams memorable two note theme. When he first played it for Steven Spielberg, what was the director's response? A, he got so scared, he fled the studio in terror. B, he reminded Williams that they were only paying him per note, so he better step it up. Or C, he said, quote, that's funny, John. Really? What did you really have in mind for the theme of drugs?

[Vanessa Bayer]

My guess is C. You're right, C.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

That was fast. With confidence. Okay, here's your next question. 50 Cent turned 50 this year, and almost as famous as his music is his feud with fellow rapper Ja Rule. Things got so heated at one point that 50 Cent did what a, convince Ja Rule to invest in this super cool and not at all shady thing called the Fyre festival. B, bought 200 front row tickets to a Ja Rule concert so he'd have to perform to an empty arena. Or c, bought the URL ja rule.com and made the homepage just say more like Ja fool.

[Vanessa Bayer]

My guess is B.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

You're right, B. Whoa. That was. That was really rough.

[Peter Sagal]

What a tough.

[Vanessa Bayer]

That's so funny that he did that.

[Peter Sagal]

I know. Mean.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

So mean. All right, here's your last question. Okay, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton married for the second time in 1975, with Taylor saying, quote, we married once again, back where we belonged, where we always belonged. What did she say 10 months later? A quote, these have been the most beautiful 10 months of either of our lives. B, were you to look up love in the dictionary, certainly you'd see a picture of Richard and me. Or C, we can't be together. You're right.

[Peter Sagal]

See? Oh, just saying.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

The couple divorced shortly afterwards. Chiocchi, how did Vanessa Baer do on our quiz?

[Peter Sagal]

She got all three right. Yeah.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Nice job. Vanessa Baer is an actor and comedian who's celebrating SNL's 50th anniversary. Vanessa Baer, thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, don't tell me.

[Peter Sagal]

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[Bill Curtis]

In April, guest host Karen Shee talked with actor Brian Tyree Henry, star of the TV show Atlanta and Apple TV's Dope Thief. But Karen asked him about his greatest role ever.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Brian, I wanted to ask, you've been nominated for an Oscar, a Tony in an Emmy. So my next question was, how does it feel to achieve the pinnacle of cinematic success, by which I mean voicing Smokey Bear?

[Sterling K. Brown]

To be honest with you, it feels like the role I was born to play.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Oh, wow.

[Sterling K. Brown]

I truly love going to national parks shirtless as often as possible. So I feel like it was a method acting gig.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Okay, wait, going off of this though, I did have a question. Mary kiss, kill Smokey Bear, Paddington Bear and Winnie the Pooh.

[Peter Sagal]

Ooh.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Okay, Mary, I want. I would say Mary Smokey for the benefits. You can get it to any national park you want, so clearly.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Right, right.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Mary Kiss. I would kiss Paddington because, you know, he deserves it and he'll taste like marmalade. So that's that. And you gotta kill Winnie. Cause put your pants on.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Winnie, I have another question, which is that you've been in Transformers, the Eternals, and Spider Man. These are all huge franchises. And I wanted to rewind all the way back in time and ask, do you remember what your very first role was?

[Sterling K. Brown]

Yes, embarrassingly enough, I was Santa Claus in my preschool production. I don't even know what this play was about, but I remember I had like a cotton ball beard. You know, they glued the his beard together and you know, all the parents were there and I was the final part of this Christmas play and I'm playing Santa Claus and I have Mrs. Claus with me and we've been rehearsing all week. And literally as it comes to me, I pull my beard down and go to my teacher off the side of the stage and I go, what's my line? Which in a photo that my mother captured, you can see this woman full of rage going, merry Christmas, Brian.

[Peter Sagal]

And here I am. Now, Tony, I like, well, now when.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

You do win an Oscar, you have to start off your speech by saying, merry Christmas.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Merry. What's my line?

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Yeah, going off of that. I wanted to ask, you've been a part of so many iconic projects both on stage and on screen. What are you most recognized for when you're out in the world?

[Sterling K. Brown]

I Believe there's a black person on this panel. Did I hear you? Yeah, it's me.

[Peter Sagal]

I'm here. Yeah, yeah.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Wait, wait, don't tell me it's this guy.

[Panelist (e.g., Peter Grosz or similar)]

Yes.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Paperboy. It always. I mean, I can be in the. In places where there's a population of 300 people and somebody is going to scream paperboy at me. But it's changing. It's changing. I went to my local grocery store not too long ago. Cause, yes, I like to buy my own groceries everywhere. And this woman was like, hey, I just want you to know that. I just want to know, are you the actor from Dope Thief? And I threw my arms around her. I was like, thank you. Thank you so much. Yes, I am. Thank you so much. So it's all shifting, but paperboy is usually the thing that. Where you at? Was it the grocery store? Was it erewhon. Was it the grocery store?

[Peter Sagal]

Close, close.

[Sterling K. Brown]

It was sprouts. How dare you?

[Peter Sagal]

How dare you Ere one.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

All right. All right. Brian Tyree Henry. We've actually invited you here to play.

[Bill Curtis]

A game that we're calling bth, Meet bts.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

That's right, you are Brian Tyree Henry, bthat. So we're going to ask you about one of the biggest bands in history, bts. So answer three questions about the K pop icons and you'll win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill, who is Brian playing for?

[Bill Curtis]

Brittany Trinite of Round Rock, Texas.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Bless your heart for thinking I'll know any of these answers, but let's go.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Okay, here's your first question. After forming in 2010, BTS became one of the biggest bands in the world. They're so popular that which of these is true? A, they were the only band that Pope Francis had on his ipod. B, the crowds at BTS concerts are so loud that the noise is faintly detectable from space. OR C, almost one in ten visitors to South Africa Korea go there for BTS related reasons.

[Sterling K. Brown]

I'm gonna say the last one. One in ten go to Korea.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Yes, that's correct. NPR reported that BTS adds $5 billion annually to South Korea's economy.

[Peter Sagal]

Wow.

[Sterling K. Brown]

What can K pop do for you?

[Brian Tyree Henry]

All right, Brian, here's your next next question. BTS thinks a lot about their lyrics. So much so that they do what before recording them. A, run them by a women's studies professor, B, have their official fan account send out definitions for any particularly big words, and C, make sure they sound just as good screamed out loud or whispered to yourself alone in your bedroom.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Well, the last one I do myself. So that's. I'm gonna say the second one about having someone look up the words that scene.

[Peter Sagal]

Mm.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Do you wanna guess again?

[Sterling K. Brown]

I only wanna be on games that gaslight me like this one. Thank you. Okay, the third one.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Listen, I'm gonna give you one more guess.

[Peter Sagal]

Merry Christmas.

[Sterling K. Brown]

Okay, the first one.

[Peter Sagal]

That's correct.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

All right, here's your last question. Fans were worried about the future of BTS because all South Korean men are required to complete a year and a half of military service before the age of 28. So as BTS neared their deadline, the government got involved. How? A, they negotiated a special two year truce with North Korea to make sure BTS would stay safe.

[Peter Sagal]

That's all it takes.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

B, they passed a special law allowing anyone to defer their service as long as they're in a hit K pop band. And C, they amassed a quote, strategic BTS song stockpile.

[Sterling K. Brown]

The further service.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

That's correct. After a bit of deferring for a world tour, all of the BTS members have since enlisted. So, Bill, how did Brian do on our quiz?

[Peter Sagal]

Brian, you did great.

[Bill Curtis]

You get them all right.

[Peter Sagal]

You're a winner. Brian.

[Brian Tyree Henry]

Tyree Henry is starring in Dope Thief on Apple tv. Brian, thank you so much for joining us on Wait, Wait, don't tell me. You crush it.

[Nathan Lane]

Thank you.

[Peter Sagal]

That's it for our Vacation 2 Vacation Harder Edition. Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me. Is a production of NPR and WBEZ Chicago in association with Urgent Haircut Productions. Doug Berman, Benevolent Overlord. Our tour manager is Shayna Donald. BJ Lederman composed our theme. Our program is produced by Jennifer Mills, Miles Stormbros and Lillian King. Our vibe curator is Emma Choi. Technical direction is from Lorna Whitener. CFO is Colin Miller. Our production manager is Robert Newhouser. Senior producer is Ian Chillag and the executive producer of Wait Wait, I'll Tell Me. That's Mike Danforth. Thanks to everyone. You heard all our panelists, our guests, and of course Bill Curtis. And thanks to all of you for listening. I am Peter Sagal. We'll be back next week. Revivify with a new sense of well being. This is npr.

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