Apple is Paying for Apple Intelligence

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: “Apple Might Owe You Money!”

Date: May 8, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), David Imel, Mariah Zaki, Ellis Hamburger

Episode Overview

This lively episode of Waveform features MKBHD and crew discussing the latest Apple and Google news, their ongoing battles with gadget setups, a few user-centric hardware grievances, and a raucous game segment. Key themes include the evolving nature of desktop versus laptop setups, real-world grievances with recent Apple and Google hardware/software, reflections on thin smartphones, hotly anticipated Android updates, and a breakdown of Apple’s new AI model openness. They wrap up with a fun “Newlyweds”-style game and recap some viral internet moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Marques’ Massive Desk Setup Overhaul (01:31–06:19)

• Motivation: Marques explains why he swapped out his discontinued Mac Pro for a single, powerful laptop.
• Laptop vs. Desktop Dilemma: He weighs the convenience of “one computer does all” (the new 16-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro, 128GB unified memory) versus the advantage of keeping a studio desktop and portable laptop separate.
• User Experience: Marques praises the dream of a one-cable Thunderbolt 5 dock setup but bemoans lingering compatibility annoyances—especially his audio DAC not playing nice with the dock.
  • Marques: “The dream is to have the one cable setup. I walk in with the laptop, put it down, plug in one cable, everything lights up.” (05:33)
  • Marques: “Unfortunately, the Universal Audio DAC is really stubborn and refuses to work with the dock ... So it’s a two-cable setup for now.” (05:47)
• Experiment’s Timeline: Marques will stick with the all-in-one laptop until the next major MacBook hardware redesign, using this period as his “experiment.”

2. Thin Phone Fanaticism & Real-World Tradeoffs (06:26–15:57)

• David’s iPhone Thinness Journey: David recounts attempts to switch back from iPhone Air to Pro before a trip but is “totally radicalized” by the lighter, thinner Air.
  • David: “I literally felt like I was using a Motorola track phone.” (07:47)
• Main iPhone Air Complaints: Camera capabilities and battery life.
  • David: “The two things that are frustrating about the Air are the camera and the battery.” (07:50)
• Workarounds & Accessories:
  • Camera Attachments: David uses a Kyra Camera (micro four-thirds sensor attachment) for telephoto/zoom photography, showing how modular accessories could be a future for “thin” phone fans.
  • Battery Workarounds: Both discuss strategies for coping with limited battery life when traveling—including using laptops as battery banks.
• Philosophy: Thin, modular phones may be the way forward—if paired with the right swappable accessories.

3. “Did They Even Test This?” – Rants & Raves (15:58–25:27)

• User Frustrations:
  • Google Tasks: Lack of filtering for future reminders.
  • X/Twitter DM App: Confusion over why X launched a separate DM app with no security or functional improvements.
    • David: “Was there any, like, press statement as to why they did this?” (23:25)
    • Mariah: “X Chat is the only secure encrypted messaging app.” (25:38)
  • Instagram DM App: Desire for a dedicated DMs app, with Instagram holding off.
• Modular Phones Throwback: Allison Johnson’s Verge piece is referenced, describing iPhone Air as a modern take on a modular phone—echoed by nostalgia for Moto Z’s failed modular ecosystem.

4. New Google & Android Features Incoming (25:28–34:52)

• Android Show Teasers:
  • Major Upcoming Updates: Google’s Sameer Samat hypes “biggest Android updates ever” for the imminent pre-I/O Android Show.
  • Design overhauls: Leaks of “luminous design”—a neon-esque visual style possibly reserved for Gemini AI integrations—on top of Material You.
  • Hardware Rumors: Speculation about future Pixel laptops and new desktop features.
• AI-Gemini Integration in Google Home 3.1:
  • Enhanced chaining of voice commands/routines using natural language.
  • Improved handling of recurring events and smart home device automations.
• Desire for Deeper Routines and Automations: Hosts praise Samsung’s and Apple’s automations, urge Google to build out its own shortcut/routine ecosystem.

5. Apple News – AI Model Flexibility & Class Action Payouts (34:52–42:24)

• Apple Intelligence Model Choice (34:52–39:32):
  • Rumor: iOS 27 will allow users to select which third-party AI model (e.g., Gemini, Claude, ChatGPT) handles which tasks (Siri, writing tools, image generation, etc).
    • Marques: “Apple would have to basically create an entire additional company within Apple just to keep up… so it makes more sense to just be the compute company that runs the models.” (35:45)
  • User Interface Questions: Concerns over practical UI/UX (how easy will it be to configure?).
  • Subscription Questions: Usage limits/integration with paid accounts.
  • Industry Effect: Apple is positioning itself as a neutral “AI compute” hardware platform.
• Apple Class Action Lawsuit – Siri Not Living Up to Promises (41:17–42:24):
  • Settlement: Apple to pay iPhone 15 Pro/16 users $25–$95 each for overselling Siri/AI features that weren’t delivered.
  • Marques: “Give me my $12.”
  • David: “This is a story from The Verge... Apple spokesperson... said the company decided to settle so they could focus on building innovative products for their users.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Marques, on setup struggles: “It took me four hours to figure out I didn’t like anything other than direct [connection for the DAC].” (06:19)
• Mariah (Sixers’ Fan Energy): “Being a Sixers fan is not about reveling in your endless wins … It’s about reveling in the journey and the storylines and the personalities...” (18:33)
• Debate—Read Receipts or Red Receipts:
  • Marques: “Did you read it? No. There’s a receipt.”
  • David: “You would never say, ‘This is a receipt of something I buy.’ You would say, ‘This is a receipt of something I bought.’ Because you did it in the past.” (64:06–66:09)
• David, on viral photo backlash: “Visual metaphor... I put it on social media—I said 2026—because it represents the fact that we are no longer playing things in front of each other. Now, everything you do is online.” (98:29–99:44)

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Detailed Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Time | |---|---| | Desk Setup & Apple Hardware Decisions | 01:31–06:19 | | Thin Phone Rants, Camera Mods & Battery Stories | 06:26–15:57 | | Did They Even Test This? Rants & Retro Phone Mods | 15:58–25:27 | | Google/Android: Next-Gen Feature Teasers | 25:28–34:52 | | Apple News: AI Model Selection & Lawsuit Payout | 34:53–42:24 | | Sixers NBA Playoff Glee | 16:50–19:58 | | Game Segment – Tech Newlyweds | 46:30–94:19 (interspersed w/ ad breaks) | | Viral Chess Photo and Media Literacy Rant | 97:07–107:44 | | Trivia, Closing Comments & Outtakes | 107:51–115:12 |

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Game Segment Highlights (46:30–94:19)

• Format: “Newlyweds”-style game; teammates try to guess each other’s preferences/habits.
• Memorable Game Banter:
  • Guilty pleasure apps: [Pokemon TCG Pocket, Balatro, Twitter]
  • Battery anxiety: “I get really anxious when my devices hit 64%.” (59:22)
  • Read vs. Red Receipts: Spirited debate.
  • Tallying unread emails: Personal shame on display.
  • Fun basketball references: “Game seven,” “trip,” “Bibby style.”

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Viral Moment – “Chess at the Chessboard” (97:49–107:44)

• David’s Photo Goes Viral:
  • Picture of someone playing online chess alone at a physical chess table—captioned “2026.”
  • Marques: Calls it a “visual metaphor” for digital disconnection.
  • Backlash: Audience misses the metaphor, takes it literally.
  • Mariah: “If we lost the ability to process, like, symbolism... that’s a problem.”
  • Social media commentary on the erosion of nuance in mass online platforms.

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Notable Trivia

1. Chromebook Pixel 2013 screen size: 12.85 inches (closest wins)
2. Old MacBook glowing Apple logo: Was illuminated by the LCD backlight, not a dedicated light component.

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Overall Tone

• Engaging, irreverent, friendly: The group is clearly close, with a lot of jokes, friendly debate, and inside references.
• Tech-nerd deep dives mixed with playful rants and realism about the pain points of modern gadgets.
• Tight focus on real-world usability and pragmatic tech decisions.

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Useful for Listeners Who Haven’t Heard the Episode

This episode gives you a sense of how top-tier tech journalists and creators balance hype versus actual product utility, how they grapple with new tech, and how the intersection of hardware, software, and AI is reshaping debates between convenience, openness, and reliability. The episode is loaded with practical stories, a peek into ongoing hardware experiments, and fun games that reveal the hosts’ personalities, quirks, and personal tech preferences.

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For further context or detailed quotes, refer to the segment timestamps above.

Transcript

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[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, David, you do not need your laptop. Put that away.

[David Imel]

I don't need my laptop.

[Ellis Hamburger]

No.

[David Imel]

But how am I supposed to. But what if. What but News.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What if the Fediverse needs us?

[David Imel]

What if the Fediverse needs.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yo.

[Marques Brownlee]

What is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[David Imel]

I'm David. And I'm David. Adam wrote that into the script, not me.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice. So we're back with some Apple news, some Google news, and a game that Adam wants to play with all of us. So this will be be a fun variety pack episode. Yes, but first.

[David Imel]

Yes, Marques, you changed your whole desk setup.

[Marques Brownlee]

I did.

[David Imel]

We have to. No, we have to understand why.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right. We were trying to unpack this a little bit. It was sort of a minor thing, but it ended up taking my whole day setting all this stuff up yesterday.

[David Imel]

So classic.

[Marques Brownlee]

For those who are wondering.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mentioned in the setup video of my desk that I would be getting rid of the Mac Pro soon. Apple literally discontinued the Mac Pro slightly

[David Imel]

after that video, officially.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So they gave up on the Mac Pro, so. So did I. Nice. Now my question is, do I want to become the laptop person or still have a separate distinct desktop and laptop? Which kind of feels to me like do I want to have my phone for every photo or do I want to carry a separate camera? Yeah, obviously the separate camera is going to be better, but it would be convenient if I could take everything on My phone. This is the laptop dilemma. I think that a 16 inch M5 Max MacBook Pro is powerful enough to do everything that I want out of a computer, including editing, including all the plug ins, including everything that we do. That takes a lot of render. But it's a 16 inch MacBook Pro. It's a big, heavier big boy. Yeah. But the 14 inch is clearly superior. I love the form factor. I would much rather carry the 14 and I know this because I've gone from a 16 to a 14 and I try to go back and back and forth and, and I just, I'm.

[David Imel]

But do you ever edit on just the 14 without plugging into a display?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I've done it like three only once with a main video and like three or four times with vertical video shorts.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's annoying, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's slightly annoying, but it's not deal breaker annoying. What turned out to be more interesting is there's like a 15 to 20% difference in long term thermal performance. With the bigger chassis of the 16, you're actually getting like the max that the chip has to offer.

[David Imel]

Yeah, true.

[Marques Brownlee]

The M5 Max in a 14 inch chassis is throttling a little earlier, giving me quite the same performance. Is it that big of a deal? Probably not. But I'm curious if I can use the 16 inch M5 Max MacBook Pro. 16 inch, yes. As my everything computer.

[David Imel]

Oh.

[Marques Brownlee]

It will be the desktop, plugged into those monitors, plugged into a whole bunch of stuff. A dock, a dac, a whole bunch of, you know, we can talk about that.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then when I need to go home or bring it somewhere, I can take it somewhere. I can take the edit somewhere. I can take whatever I'm doing and I don't have to have multiple computers.

[David Imel]

That's what's great about it. Everything's on one little PC.

[Marques Brownlee]

So the obvious other version of this is Mac Studio. I've said Studio is the new Pro. I think if this project, if this experiment fails me, what I'll end up doing is I'll end up going back to having a Mac Studio on my desk whenever that M5 Ultra comes out, or M6 Ultra, whatever it is, that will be the desktop. And a 14 inch MacBook Pro will continue to be my laptop.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

How long are you gonna test this experiment for?

[Marques Brownlee]

So I have the review unit, M5 Max 16 inch MacBook Pro. Yeah, it's maxed out, has 128 gigs of unified memory. I'm using this until the new MacBook Pro, which we all know is gonna get a redesign. Probably a 2 nanometer node and an OLED touchscreen and all this stuff. Whenever that new one comes out.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And when that new one comes out, that's when I'll make my decision. Am I gonna buy that laptop and continue the laptop life or am I going to become Mac Studio and MacBook Pro?

[David Imel]

If you get enough storage, I really. It's so great to just have everything on one computer. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

As of right now, it's like day one and a half, you know, it's the second day of this experiment. I am using a. Now there's a couple of things I needed to make this setup work. So I have two studio display XDRs on my desk.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

They look fantastic. They are smaller than the Pro displays, but they're 120Hz. They're brighter. They look better. Yeah. I'm willing to accept that. And I daisy chain them to each other, so it's great. I still have Thunderbolt ports to spare. And I have this TS5 Plus Dock. Who makes this dock? TS5 Plus Dock. Caldigit.

[Mariah Zaki]

Caldigit, baby.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

This Caldigit Thunderbolt 5 Dock, which lets me plug all of my accessories on my desk into the MacBook Pro with one cable.

[David Imel]

That's nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

So the dream. Yeah, the dream is to have the one cable setup. I walk in with the laptop, put it down, plug in one cable, everything lights up. The mouse, the mechanical keyboard, the studio monitors, the dac, both displays my storage. Everything is connected.

[David Imel]

It's crazy. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Unfortunately, uh oh. The Universal Audio DAC is really stubborn and refuses to work with the dock even though it's plugged into Thunderbolt in the dock. I've tried it with the dock. I've tried it also with the display. Plugging it straight into the display. It doesn't like it. Did they even test this? It loves being plugged into the laptop directly.

[David Imel]

Damn.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's a two cable setup for now.

[David Imel]

Dac, don't let the dock.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, DAC don't like the dock.

[David Imel]

Bam.

[Mariah Zaki]

Marques, let me sit at your desk after we record and troubleshoot this for you because please.

[Marques Brownlee]

It took me four hours to figure out I didn't like anything other than direct. Yeah, yeah, really annoying.

[David Imel]

I have my own version of exactly what you're going through right now. And this is like round three of me wanting to talk about the iPhone. Air. Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So run it back, baby.

[Marques Brownlee]

I saw your tweets. You're.

[David Imel]

You did.

[Marques Brownlee]

You were talking about how you tried to go back to the Pro.

[David Imel]

I tried. I tried. Oh, my God. So I want to know what your. Like, are you back on a Pro or are you still on the air? You're still in the air.

[Marques Brownlee]

Still on the air. Constantly frustrated by the camera.

[David Imel]

I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we'll talk about that even more later. But you're probably, you know, a little more evened out because you're using a second Android phone all the time that's much thicker. So you're kind of used to it. Yeah. But I don't know what I was smoking when I was like, okay. With phones being as thick as they were.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, it's not that bad. It's not that bad.

[David Imel]

It used. Okay. I used to have the opposite take.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

This. This phone radicalized me.

[Marques Brownlee]

So what's your now your fully thin phone pilled?

[David Imel]

Kinda.

[Marques Brownlee]

I kinda. You can only use this or the S25 Edge. Everything else will be devastating.

[David Imel]

Well, I think there'll be more options later. Yeah. And when the iPhone fold comes out, I think. I think that will. Because it's still thin when you open it. I think it'll be an okay compromise. It'll be shorter. We'll see. But I don't know. I tried to go back to the Pro. Cause I'm going to Europe today for two weeks and it's. It's so heavy and thick. I literally felt like I was using a Motorola track phone. That's what it felt like.

[Marques Brownlee]

I get it. Like, I. Especially when using back to back. Yeah. You go from this super thin. Especially the lightweight too. That's the thing people don't realize. When I see it on video, it looks. Oh, it's just a little bit thicker, whatever. But holding it, it's so much lighter. And the two things that are frustrating about the air are the camera and the battery.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

As far as. I mean, everything else is perfectly fine as far as I can tell. So I have had a couple moments where I wish I had an ultra wide and I literally had to back up. Like, I shot the desk photo the other day and I was just backing up away from my desk and I was annoying, but I can kind of make that work. Yeah, but the battery.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

How are you dealing with the iPad?

[David Imel]

It's not as bad as.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I know how he's doing. He grabbed the Ridge power bank for his trip today.

[David Imel]

Well, I did. Yeah. I mean, it's not awful, I will say. Like, I've been home for a while for longer than I'm usually home for, like I've been home for like a month and I am one of those people that just constantly has all of their gadgets plugged in at every moment that I'm not using them. You know, I have a lot of battery anxiety all of the time.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's okay with the air then.

[David Imel]

Yeah, so it's okay with the air. So I'm not completely sure how it's going to fare, you know, on a, on a travel.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I'm sure.

[Marques Brownlee]

What. I haven't travel.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I know exactly how this is going to go.

[David Imel]

Oh, well, that's why I have battery banks, I guess. I don't know. I tried to switch back to the Pro and I'm just like, I can't do this. This is so annoying.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[David Imel]

It totally rattled.

[Marques Brownlee]

Even as your only phone.

[David Imel]

Yeah. However. Okay, however, just like you, the main things that I miss are the camera, which, by the way, I was wrong. I thought I, I thought. I never used the wide angle camera.

[Marques Brownlee]

I.

[David Imel]

The ultra wide. I apparently do. Not for photography, but for like, functionality. Functionality? Yeah. Like, like I. I remodeled my kitchen this weekend.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wow.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I know, it's crazy. I had to put a lot of work in and I was trying to take a photo to like show my friends that I remodeled it.

[Marques Brownlee]

You can't back.

[David Imel]

I literally can't. I hit the wall. You can't show the whole kitchen in one picture, which is annoying.

[Mariah Zaki]

So I had to take a video

[David Imel]

and then it was still. Yeah, it was bad. It was annoying. And then my, my 3D printed camera that I use all the time uses the ultra wide camera to like crop in and I can't do that either. So if they release an air with a wide with the ultra wide camera, I'll be happy. The other thing, I found a solution to the no telephoto thing. Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

So there's. There's this company that sent me this camera attachment thing like a few months ago called Kyra Camera that it's like you mag safe your camera, your phone to it. And it's just a sensor with a. I wish I had it with me. It's in my backpack. It's just a sensor with a micro 4/3 lens on it. And your phone slaps onto it. And then your phone becomes the interface for it. And it directly, like it uses WI fi direct. The images go straight to your phone. You can shoot raw, you can shoot video.

[Mariah Zaki]

Is it a micro four thirds sensor?

[David Imel]

It's a micro four thirds sensor.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's nice.

[David Imel]

And you can put micro. And then you put micro Four thirds lenses on it. And because it's micro four thirds sensor, like the crop factor is pretty high. So even if you're using like I'm using a 25 millimeter Leica lens and it's like a. It's like a 50 or something. Yeah, like a 50.

[Mariah Zaki]

That sounds sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's dope.

[Mariah Zaki]

What's it called?

[David Imel]

It's called Kyra Camera. It's really cool.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, so then what are you using as a lens? If this is Leica lens A. Yeah,

[David Imel]

I have a. I have a 25 mil lens. It's like a 50. So I just carry that with me. It's not very big. It's like, it's like this thick.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

And my phone. Your phone, just like MagSafe straight to it. And so I'll just have that in my bag with me. And in the cases where I need to do telephoto, I just slap it on. You can shoot raw. Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, it'll work. I know. I understand what you're saying. It's like if I really want to zoom and take a photo like that, then I have this kit.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David Imel]

Yeah. And that was my main concern because I use this on the last trip that I did too. And not having a telephoto to shoot raw, because when I'm traveling I do a lot of like highlight or moment camera too with raw photos. And with this, it kind of sucks.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So this is very anti. Adding things to your phone for cameras.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, well, not entirely. What I do have, I think there's a point of diminishing return and it's pretty quick.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah. Allison Johnson put a really interesting piece out on the Verge a couple weeks ago about the iPhone Air that says like. It was called like, I finally understand the iPhone air. And it was about how it's a modular phone, how like you basically, for the daily use, you just use it and it's thin and it's great. And then you basically switch it out for whatever parts you need, whether it's the battery bank or the camera attachment.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Motorola was a decade too early.

[David Imel]

Yeah, of course.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the Z. Yeah, the Z was insane.

[David Imel]

But the thing. Yeah, MagSafe is such a better attachment mechanism because like things like the Moto Z that had the dedicated modules. Yeah, it's like they promised to support it for like two years and then they did, and then all of those attachments were useless after that.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was brutal.

[David Imel]

Or as long as Apple does not get rid of Magsafe, which I saw some rumors that were like they're thinking of killing it. And I was like, that's the stupidest thing ever and they will never do that. Yeah. As long as MagSafe exists, all these attachments still work.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, sorry. IPhone16e.

[David Imel]

So my point is, I am totally radicalized. I don't. I didn't think this would ever happen to me.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I mean, this is kind of what we said when it came out. Like, this is the right form factor. It's just too many compromises.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. This phone would be great if it had a silicon carbon battery, because it would probably be totally fine. I have a travel story for you in a second. Okay, but. And then. Yeah, and add an extra camera and it's right there. It's back to being very usable and justifiable.

[David Imel]

Okay, what's your story?

[Marques Brownlee]

I recently went to. How much can I say? I went to a foreign country in Europe somewhere for a video shoot that you guys will learn about later. And I forgot to bring a power adapter. I totally forgot to.

[David Imel]

Every time Adam and I were just

[Marques Brownlee]

talking about that, I brought everything else I need. I had the MacBook Pro.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I had the backpack full of stuff. I had my chargers all ready to go and I just forgot my, like, adapter for their plugs.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's a three day trip. And I realized this as I land and I'm like, you know what?

[David Imel]

I don't.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm not going to buy an adapter. I'm going to survive with the batteries that I have.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Crazy person.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which is a MacBook Pro, an Oppo Find X9 Ultra, a OnePlus 15 and an iPhone Air and an iPad Pro. And I got off the plane not knowing. So I wasn't really conserving battery while I was watching stuff on the iPad. So the iPad was like kind of cooked. So I got there and it was like, I need to use my MacBook Pro as a power bank to charge my phones overnight every single day.

[David Imel]

Beautiful.

[Marques Brownlee]

After the first night of charging up the. The OnePlus to full, for some reason, the MacBook Pro is basically dead. So now I have two days on two phones. And yeah, the I. The iPhone air did not last. It lasted like, I think I got to low power mode at 20%, like by the end of the first day.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I was still at like 60 something with the Oppo and the OnePlus. So having them side by side and actively trying to conserve battery on both and just watching the air just slowly go away, it was really. It was pretty eye opening.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I, Yeah, what I usually do

[David Imel]

when I forget a power bank, which is like. Or forget a travel adapter, which is a lot. Is a lot of the, like, hostels and stuff they stay in, they'll have like one USB A or USB C port, like in your bed area.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was looking. Yeah, I was looking for that port.

[David Imel]

I always. I turn my MacBook Pro into like a multi port daisy chain battery pack. Battery pack where I plug in the MacBook and then everything else is just like octopus off of it, which is probably what's going to happen when I go to Europe today.

[Mariah Zaki]

So.

[David Imel]

Yeah, anyway, yeah, I'm radicalized. So I really hope that they don't kill this line like they did with the Mini. The Mini I loved immediately. And the problem with the Air is that it's a good phone. You just have to spend like three weeks with it to understand that. Which is a. Which is a problem for Apple.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, Apple always does two of everything, at least typically with the phones.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So we're going to have. We're pretty sure we're going to have an Air 2.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Then we'll see how that goes.

[David Imel]

Yeah. All right. Did they even test this? We do this every week. Did you guys bring. Did you bring some?

[Mariah Zaki]

I have one.

[David Imel]

Let's go, Alice.

[Mariah Zaki]

But first. Actually two but first.

[David Imel]

Because the first but first is video

[Marques Brownlee]

viewers already know where this is going.

[Mariah Zaki]

No, because I unfortunately embarrassed myself in the last episode because my last. Did they even test this was about how to do the find on page on Safari.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Got a lot of comments.

[Mariah Zaki]

Got a lot of comments. There is a much easier way to find on Page that I did not know about. So I would just like to thank Waveform viewers for being dedicated Safari users. There's no ball.

[Marques Brownlee]

No ball. Y' all know ball.

[Mariah Zaki]

Thank you, Waveform audience. Okay, now, Adam, would you mind getting the lights, please?

[Marques Brownlee]

I feel like I need to narrate this for audio listeners. Ellis. Ellis is grinning from ear to ear wearing a 76ers shirt and a 76ers hat.

[Mariah Zaki]

And you know why I'm grinning ear to ear, Marques?

[Marques Brownlee]

Why is that?

[Mariah Zaki]

Because this weekend, the Philadelphia 76ers, for the first time since the 1980s, have defeated the Boston Celtics in an NBA playoff series. Meaning we are moving on to round two to face our other rivals, the New York Knickerbockers, in what will hopefully be another seven game amazing basketball series. Kelly Oubre, thank you for your contributions. Joel Embiid is back at healthy. Nothing can go wrong for us Are

[David Imel]

they really called the Knickerbockers?

[Marques Brownlee]

Quick, knock some wood. Yeah, the Knicks are the Knickerbockers.

[David Imel]

What does that even mean?

[Mariah Zaki]

Underwear something. I've looked it up so many times and then just forget every time.

[David Imel]

But commonly refers to 19th century baggy knee length trousers, 76ers.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really close to a meme.

[Mariah Zaki]

Dude, it's. This team is just so much fun. It's just so much fun.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm glad you're having fun. So many Game seven sounds stressful, but it sounds like you're having a lot of fun.

[Mariah Zaki]

Dude, I have not come closer to my pants as an adult than watching that Game seven. And just, I. I love. I. My, my heart pours out for everyone on this team, especially Kelly Oubre and Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And yeah, you said it was the

[Marques Brownlee]

Most watched Game 7 in NBA playoff history.

[Mariah Zaki]

That's what we were seeing online. But we were also talking about how game seven of the Finals, I was just like the LeBron Steph Curry Finals.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's an incredible stat.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's just like the six. You know, I keep trying to explain this to Alex and Adam, man, it's like being a Sixers fan is not about reveling in your endless wins, okay,

[David Imel]

because we don't have any.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's about we literally have more than you. But it's about reveling in the journey and the storylines and the personalities and watching Joel Embiid grow up before our eyes and overcome so much. And watching Kelly Oubre turn into just like a absolute dog in the painting. And watching Vijay Edgecomb blossom into an eventual All Star. And having already watched Tyrese Maxey blossom into an All Star. And so that win, that game meant so much to us.

[Marques Brownlee]

I found the NBA.com post.

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Most watched first round in 33 years. Most watched first round game seven ever.

[Mariah Zaki]

Everyone got to watch the Sixers play beautiful Sixers basketball. And I just feel so blessed to be alive right now.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, and I just want to make a quick point that he's talking about the game seven because game one versus the Knicks was a not a great game if you're a Sixers fan.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah, that already happened.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, that was really bad. And so my, my. Did they even test this is the Sixers drop coverage because did not work. And those baskets, those Knicks baskets were fallen. So, yeah. Did they even test this Sixers defense? But it's all good, man, because we just did test it. We're coming back tonight, going to tie up the series.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's funny, I used to be a Clippers fan back when Chris Paul and Lob City era Clippers were like a thing. And this was the feeling that I was hoping I would feel for like five years straight. I never, never got to take.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's okay. If it makes you feel any better, this is the feeling I've been hoping to feel for five years straight. And we're finally getting it.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's awesome.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, so onto tech. Yeah, my. Did they even test? This is shocker. Google Tasks. So in Google Tasks, when you add things to your upcoming, I guess, reminders. Okay, there's on web at least. I feel like this might also be in the app. I'm not sure. But on web it shows like all of your lists that you've made. Yeah, one of them. The very first one, even though you can move it around. But the one that's first by default is upcoming.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That one will just show everybody reminder that you have for the upcoming future period. Like, you can't sort it for only show me the upcoming week. You can't sort it for only show me the upcoming month. It's just everything. Like right now I have a reminder for Friday, December 11th to remind me that there's a parade that always passes by my apartment. The Guadalupe parade, I think. But it's like 10pm every December 11th where a bunch of people go down my block with a parade. So like I set a reminder this past year. I don't need to see that right now. We are in May. Why is this still showing?

[David Imel]

Why do you have that tasks though? Why isn't that not just in your calendar?

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's a great question.

[David Imel]

I feel like that's the reason they exist separately.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Like, okay, so let's say I did have a task on Friday 11th though.

[David Imel]

Like this Friday?

[Ellis Hamburger]

No, like the 11th of December. Like I don't know. I had to re sign something on December 12th.

[David Imel]

I would also.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I set a reminder. Probably not a reminder. No, that's. Yeah, that's a task, I guess.

[Marques Brownlee]

So if it's like buy someone's birthday present like a week before.

[Ellis Hamburger]

A week before. Like I would see that right now. Which is like why.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Okay, that makes sense.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's just like why you're not. Have you tried tick tick?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I have tried tick tick and I used tick tick for a long time. I was trying to minimize subscriptions, so I stopped using.

[David Imel]

Are they paid the pro version?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, there's a pro version.

[Marques Brownlee]

Do you need the pro version for.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't know, I mean, at some point too, like, is it better to use Google things like, I don't even know if that's the case. Maybe it is better to just pay a developer.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I'm off of the. Like, it's better to use Google's version because there's so many examples of it not being better to use Google's version that I have abandoned that philosophy.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's a very good point.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, in summary, no, they did not test this.

[David Imel]

Yeah. I have one that I'm. Well, it's less of the. Did they even test this? And more of why does this exist? Does that work?

[Marques Brownlee]

Why does it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, sure, we'll take it.

[David Imel]

Okay, so like, a couple of weeks ago, X launched X Chat, which is a separate app, which is just. Yeah. Which is a separate app on your phone, which is just the DM portion of X. And it looks exactly like the DM tab in X. And it's just the DMs. And then there's a little button in the top, right. And when you click it, it just opens X. Yeah. So don't know why they have two separate apps for this. And I thought Elon was all obsessed with making the Everything app, and then he just started separating them and I'm very confused.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I think that counts.

[David Imel]

That counts. Did they even think about this? How about that?

[Mariah Zaki]

Was there any, like, press statement as to, like, why they did this?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no.

[David Imel]

Just launched.

[Mariah Zaki]

Also, like, casually, you after ever since the Blue check apocalypse. On X. Twitter. On Twitter, messaging people is, like, almost impossible because most accounts, you can't even DM unless you pay.

[David Imel]

Is that how that works?

[Mariah Zaki]

I forget how the system works, but I feel like anytime I want to send a dm, it's like, you got money.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

So now there's an app to tell me, like, you got money.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Someone hit me up the other day. They're like, hey, your handle is avidml is available. Because I've been trying to get that since, like 2012 or whatever. And. But you have to have X premium plus, which costs $40 a month in order to request dead hand, like unused handles.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And I was like, okay, I hate this question is. Which I never had to do. Encrypted. Yeah. Is the Twitter DMs regular Twitter DMs encrypted?

[David Imel]

They're exactly.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is. Cause they're the same. Oh, well.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And I have no answer.

[David Imel]

I really don't know why this exists.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, I was trying to think of something.

[David Imel]

Now, to be fair. To be fair. I have been wanting an Instagram Just DMs app forever, which they were working on for a long time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Separately.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Separately is not just messages, like Facebook messages or Messenger.

[David Imel]

Yeah. But Instagram. They unbundled them, remember?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. So you mean WhatsApp?

[David Imel]

No, no, no. The amount of people chat. There's a lot of people that I just Google with through Instagram that I like daily. But I have, I have all my social media blocked throughout the day on my accounts because I don't want to.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, this is the exact same thing. What, that's what Twitter is doing.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

You want to be able to DM the people you DM on Instagram without also having to go through the rest of Instagram.

[David Imel]

Correct. I just, I barely use Twitter, which is the reason. Twitter, it's what Twitter did and I'm happy about that. I barely, I mean, if it was Instagram, because I barely use Twitter, I would love this for Instagram, but it just, it's just confusing. Let's move on to some news this week.

[Mariah Zaki]

I just want to say the, the selling point, and this is according to Elon himself. Okay. Which is quote, X Chat is the only secure encrypted messaging app.

[David Imel]

That's not true at all.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What it is, if you just say it.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's the end of the statement.

[David Imel]

That's not even remotely true.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's like the first half of a correct statement, but then it's just wrong.

[David Imel]

Has he ever heard of signal before? All right, let's get to the actual news stories of the week. So I gotta take a vote from you guys. We got two Apple stories and two Google stories. Which one do you want to get to first?

[Marques Brownlee]

I like the Android ones or the Google ones?

[David Imel]

Like the Google ones?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they're interesting.

[David Imel]

Let's talk about the Google ones.

[Marques Brownlee]

My curiosity is peaked.

[David Imel]

Yes. So this is going to be pretty major event next week. We're getting the Android show, which if you remember is a pre IO Android experience where they. Yes, yes, it's very hype because it's super real. IO used to include Android, but now it's kind of just all Gemini.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, now it's just for the stockholders and people that care about the products.

[David Imel]

Well, the Gemini features are interesting, but. Yeah, but it's going to be a big one. Sameer Samat has tweeted a video with a little teaser for the Android show. His caption, he says that it's the biggest set of Android updates ever.

[Marques Brownlee]

And he, he, he punctuated it, he said, biggest Android updates ever. Period, after every word, which is a big deal. That's a lot of hype. It's a lot of hype coming from a Googler. Wow.

[David Imel]

Yeah. And in the little teaser video, the little Andy Android robot pulls a light switch and when he turns off the lights, he's glowing with these kind of like neon blue and pink cotton candy colors. However, and Adam noted this because. No, no, no, it's not. Don't. Okay. By the way, scaring me, everyone is quote, tweeting, this being like Apple's doing liquid glass.

[Ellis Hamburger]

He replied to it.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I know.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

He said we're not.

[David Imel]

Him and Michelle have had to go like, have a campaign going to reply to every single person. We go like, no, we are not.

[Marques Brownlee]

Did they even test this?

[David Imel]

Did they even think about this? Yeah. But if you look very closely near the Andy Android robot's neck, it's clearly got the pixel glow, like RGB y bar.

[Marques Brownlee]

If you want to see it clearly, it's now the profile picture of Android on Twitter.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So, yes, it's hype. Yes, it's glowing pretty hype.

[David Imel]

It would be really crazy and I would be very happy if they did a lot of settings change ups like they did with Ice Cream Sandwich where everything was kind of neon and weird. And just this morning it leaked that the new design language that they're using is called luminous design.

[Marques Brownlee]

Don't they? Okay. They change this so much.

[David Imel]

Okay, well, I think that they'll still have material you expressive as the, like, yeah, you know, material interface. But I think that luminous design is going to be like the Gemini kind of like intelligent features are going to have the luminous stuff. That's my guess.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's being teased as biggest Android updates ever, but it's not the biggest Android updates ever. It's just the Gemini parts.

[David Imel]

I don't think it's just the Gemini parts. I think that they're probably adding a ton of Android features, which is cool because I have no idea what they would add.

[Marques Brownlee]

Very curious how they're going to live up to this amount of hype because this is.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, yeah. Material three Expressive is new, right? That just came out like.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

From like two or three years ago.

[Marques Brownlee]

Something like that.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So for them to have in. For them to be introducing a brand new design. Yeah, I would imagine that's just for like the glowing around your screen when you hold down the button to access Gemini, which is already a thing. So like what else would they use this for?

[David Imel]

Well, they just pushed a big update for the Gemini app on Android where it looks a lot more neon like this like yesterday. So if you have it, that'd be. That'd be interesting to see. Yeah. So I don't know. They say biggest Android updates ever. I'm really curious what that means. It could be so many things. Are there any Android features that you have been like wishing for?

[Marques Brownlee]

Not specifically, honestly. I mean, the hardware is what's been fun to play with in Android Land. And then I use Android. Android, Android. Mostly the same way I did five years ago. Yeah. Which is also mostly the same way I did five years before that.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So yeah, Gemini a little bit more. A little circle to search stuff a little bit more. But it's genuinely mostly the same. I'm pretty happy with it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The one I'm really excited for is the. I forget what it's called, but the Chrome desktop when you plug it in. Pixel desktop or whatever.

[David Imel]

Yeah, making that better.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Making it better to like be a Dex competitor for real.

[David Imel]

For sure.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Because right now it's like in developer beta or something like that. And it's fine, you can use it, but it's not like. I wouldn't say it's good, it's just like fun to play around with.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

If they can make that good, that would be awesome.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Well, thankfully the event is next Tuesday, so we'll be able to talk about on the show next week. I won't because I'll be here, but you guys will be able to talk about on the show next week. And it's at 10:00am Pacific Time, so you guys should all chime in. Maybe we could get that live thread thing going.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I would love that, but I don't know if that's out yet.

[David Imel]

It might be rolling out slowly. The other Google news is that Google Home Gemini can now do multiple and more complicated requests at once, which is a big. A big update.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sick.

[David Imel]

It's home 3.1. It improves Gemini's ability to interpret and act on requests like complex tasks or multiple tasks in one query.

[Marques Brownlee]

I need an example.

[David Imel]

I think you should be able to say, like turn on the lights in the bedroom and also open up the shades in the living room so you

[Ellis Hamburger]

can like chain things together.

[David Imel]

You can chain things together. Also more complex stuff. It will also make Gemini better at handling recurring all day events and allow you to move around upcoming events with your voice, which is. That's helpful.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All I want is better search in gmail.

[David Imel]

Like just use this.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

How is it so bad?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Why are they doing all this? Just give me good search in Gmail I don't know.

[David Imel]

It's still so bad. It's crazy. They're also launching in beta a way to manage your smart home from a computer. And you can search your camera history with natural language. You can create routines from your desktop. So that's nice.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You just said routines. And that made me think of another thing that I hope they introduce into Android, which is like Samsung's routines and like Apple shortcuts.

[David Imel]

Like something like that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Goo. They have some already. Right. In the Automations.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, Automations. You're right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. In Gemini. But are they good in Google Home? I think they're pretty good. Well, some of mine are broken, so I haven't actually updated them in a while. But I. I do know they have that. Let's see, like, if they get Automation,

[Ellis Hamburger]

if they flesh that out, that would also be pretty sick.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Because there's not many things that I want Android to take from iOS specifically, but shortcuts is one of them.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And I know you can use Macro, Droid and Tasker and all those things, but those are so insanely powerful. I don't need all that.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of exciting for them to hype it so much when I don't even know what I want them to add. It's like, I feel like we're going to be surprised because none of these features have leaked so far, which is kind of surprising.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. I feel like Android. I mean, I don't know. I guess both operating systems are pretty mature at this point for what I would. Like what I want.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So there's not really much you can do besides a design change that would make me be like, whoa, it's such a huge change up from what we already had.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Like, that's why with iOS, liquid glass was like such a thing, because it changed how everything looked. I wouldn't say it like changed much of the functionality in a drastic way.

[David Imel]

No.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So I'm curious why they're hyping this up so much. Like, what are they gonna introduce?

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's interesting that they're kind of showcasing the Pixel Glow stuff, considering that' fairly necessary. Like, you kind of have to have hardware to make that work. And they're not going to show off. Well, they're pro. I mean, maybe they will. Maybe they'll show off the Pixel 11 and the Pixel Book or whatever. I doubt it. But, like, it would be cool. It would be cool.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That would be crazy.

[David Imel]

Yeah. If they randomly dropped the Pixel.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I mean, they could do the Pixel laptop, right?

[David Imel]

Yeah, they could. Or at least they could hype it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You think they would drop that with the phones in August, September, October, whenever the Pixel events?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think they would do it separately.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Really?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think, yeah. Separate from the phones. Really let the phones shine. But if you're gonna do a laptop, I don't know, a new laptop, you could do that.

[David Imel]

I mean, when they did the pixelbook go, it was at the same time as the phones when the Pixel 4 came out. True.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess Google doesn't always think logically. That's fair.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but it's a. I mean, it's an. I mean, this is supposed to be their Android Chrome OS merger laptop, so it could be. And, like, why do you need the phones to have their moment to shine when they're just Gemini machines? You know, they're not that different. You know what I mean?

[Marques Brownlee]

Storm IO.

[David Imel]

Yeah, that's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just drop it. Separate from my own.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. I went to the Google store in Williamsburg this past weekend.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah? And you were close to me and you didn't tell me.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Is Williamsburg close to you?

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, sorry.

[David Imel]

Right below me. I can walk there in 20 minutes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, well, sorry. I'll tell you next time. Yeah, but I was in the store and my mom was with me because I was going to get a. What was it, like a Titan security key for my sister. Oh, yeah, that's what she ended up picking.

[David Imel]

You didn't get them at the Google store?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, they sell them there.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, wow. Um, cool.

[Ellis Hamburger]

But she was walking around, she's like, this is cozy. This is not like the Apple Store at all. And I was like, I bet that was very intentional.

[David Imel]

Like, it is a lot like the Apple Store. I mean, it's not. It's more cozy because they have more fibers and stuff, I think.

[Ellis Hamburger]

More fibers, a lot of wood.

[David Imel]

We have an actual Apple.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The Apple Store Apple is like metal and wood and like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, glass.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Glass. Yeah.

[David Imel]

That's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

White walls. Yeah.

[David Imel]

They only have a couple of stores, so they got to make them hype. Yeah. All right. Okay. Speaking of Apple news, Apple is going to allow you to choose which AI model to use for different Apple intelligence features, which is kind of. It's kind of interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's very of the moment.

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I was asking, can one of you explain this to me? Because I do not understand what this means at all.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

So this is according to Bloomberg in iOS 27, you're going to be able to use an extensions feature which lets you pick different AI models. For different features of Apple intelligence, like Siri, writing tools, Image playground, other stuff. So it's become clear over the last year or two years that these different AI models that people subscribe to, whether it's Claude or ChatGPT or Gemini, are better at certain things. Right. And people subscribe to different ones. And at this point, I think Apple has given up trying to make their own competitive model. Right. Like, it would cost so much money and the race is moving so fast and the updates are coming so fast that Apple would have to basically create an entire additional company within Apple just to keep up with all these other companies. So it makes more sense to just be the compute company that, like, runs the models.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they are the hardware that everyone will run the models on. Right. So once all these models, obviously there's the cloud models, and then once these local models get good enough that everyone's running them locally on all their machines, they're the ones here with the machines.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And that we run them on there.

[David Imel]

Totally. Yeah. So, like, the iPhone is probably going to use Gemini Nano for, like, Siri things. Right. But for all the other features like Image Playground, which literally nobody uses ChatGPT currently has, you know, it's competitive between ChatGPT and Gemini for who has the best image model.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sure.

[David Imel]

But the fact that most people are probably only subscribed to one of these AI models at a time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[David Imel]

So if you are subscribed to Gemini versus ChatGPT, you want to plug in all of your Gemini stuff to your iPhone. So that works natively and Apple's happy to let you do that. It's more interesting that you can choose which model for which feature, which I guess makes sense because, you know, some models like Claude is better at reasoning. So if there was some sort of reasoning feature in on the iPhone, I guess that's better for reasoning, you would plug in your Claude model. It is kind of like a. If, you know, you know, kind of thing. Like the average iPhone user probably isn't going to be plugging in a bunch of different models. But yeah, you know.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, I really want to see what the UI is for this because I feel like if I'm trying to do, I don't know, like Siri, I want to have Siri be accessing Gemini. But then for image generation, ChatGPT and then for Circle to search. Oh, let's do Gemini again. And then like all those different things, shortcut automations. Let me use Claude for that.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What is that UI even going to look like? Even saying it out Loud. I'm kind of confused.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, maybe just it's a defaults page in the settings, like the way you can choose your search engine default now by going into Settings and switching it from Google to one of the other

[David Imel]

options on the list generation default.

[Marques Brownlee]

If there's like a Apple Intelligence section in the settings, which there is, and you go into all the different features and can drop down a list and change the defaults to all of them.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Maybe there is a default for all of them that lines up. Maybe it's Gemini for everything. But then you can go on the list and change.

[David Imel]

Yeah. My question becomes, like, how much is this going to impact your usage limits for all of these. All these apps? Because if you accidentally, like, hit all your usage limits on Claude just by using your iPhone and then you can't really use it on your computer, that's pretty annoying. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well. And will it be like an extension that plugs into your account with Claude, or is it just like a fully isolated instance of like asking Claude for something but has no context from your account? I imagine it will be your account because right now when you ask for something that Siri can't handle and it kicks out to ChatGPT, that's not with the context of your account.

[David Imel]

You can sign into your account, you can sign in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But when it wasn't signed in, it was just however many queries you want, it didn't matter.

[David Imel]

The free version, basically.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah. But there's still limits to the free version. So it's kind of. And I don't think Apple's going to want to pay that bill for a bunch of regular people. But it would be interesting if you couldn't use all of the features of your iPhone unless you had an AI subscription plan from a different company.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Interesting or apocalyptic?

[David Imel]

I don't know about apocalyptic.

[Marques Brownlee]

Definitely driving a lot of usage of this stuff. Yeah, for sure. If there's anything Siri can't handle, we'll just kick it out to any of these companies.

[David Imel]

Yeah. I mean, maybe it's possible that these companies are going to have deals with Apple because they want people to use their product more. Right. So if Anthropic wants more people to adopt Claude and they say, oh, you can try cloud on that. You can use cloud on the iPhone for free and then it motivates people to use cloud on their desktop. Yep. Then that's good for Anthropic.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's it for them.

[David Imel]

It's possible.

[Marques Brownlee]

Exactly.

[Mariah Zaki]

Can I tell a funny Apple Intelligence story from last Week.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Mariah Zaki]

I. I decided to fire up. What's it called? Genmoji.

[David Imel]

I love Genoji, Dad. I use it all the time.

[Mariah Zaki]

Really?

[David Imel]

Because I. I'm its biggest fan.

[Mariah Zaki]

I cannot get anything you useful out of it. And to be fair, the story I'm about to tell is mostly user error. But what happened is I was like, I needed a cowboy boot emoji.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

And so I made one. I searched. I was just moving really fast. I just searched boot and it gave me a rain boot. And I was like, oh, I didn't get specific enough. Silly me. So I put in cowboy boot and it put a cowboy hat on the rain boot.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow, that's so good. It should know.

[David Imel]

And I was like, that's incredible. Okay, that's so good. Last Apple story and then we'll take it to trivia and a break.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Apple is going to need to pay iPhone owners $250 million for not delivering the AI Siri that they promised everybody.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

Give me my $12.

[David Imel]

Yes. Less than.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Well, $12. That's way too much. You're getting like a nickel.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I think it's actually.

[David Imel]

It actually is more. $20, 25. It's between 25 and 95, depending on the circumstances.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Every iPhone user gets $20.

[David Imel]

No, it's. It's the people. Okay, let me, let me tell this, okay. There's a class action lawsuit that alleges that Apple misled customers by Apple Intelligence and has gotten Apple to pay between 25 and $95 to each person that purchased an iPhone 15 Pro or any iPhone 16 between June 10, 2024 and March 29, 2025. The lawsuit is alleging that Apple gave people a clear and reasonable consumer expectation that Apple Intelligence features would be available on these phones. And while they ended up being significantly limited or sometimes entirely absent.

[Marques Brownlee]

Correct.

[David Imel]

This is a story from the Verge. And they did speak, they did reach out to Apple, and Apple spokesperson Marnie Goldberg told them that the company decided to settle the matter so they could get back to focusing on building innovative products for their users. So it sounds like they just knew they weren't going to win this. So they were just like, just take

[Marques Brownlee]

the money, make it go away.

[Mariah Zaki]

I also think Apple just doesn't financially want to get involved in like the. The circular AI. We're developing a model buying chips from people who give us money to buy their chips. It's just, you know, we know that you.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The way from audience misses Andrew so much. We don't miss him at all. But you guys Miss him. But if you want to see what he's up to while he's on paternity leave, he was recently on a disc golf tournament. What'd you do?

[David Imel]

Paternity leave.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Because he said he's on paternity leave, and then these videos are dropping and he's playing disc gol. Yeah, but, yeah, there's a creator's tournament that's being posted weekly, I think online now. You guys can go check him out and comment saying you're coming from waveform. So we could. Oh, yeah, like, take over their comments. A comment takeover, basically, is what I'm proposing.

[David Imel]

Okay, if Andrew wins, what happens? And if he loses.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Ooh, that's a good one. What do we have him do?

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah, we gotta make him do something.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, if he wins, he has to come back and host a solo pod.

[Marques Brownlee]

A director's cut, narrating every shot he took.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yes. Okay. That's a good one, too. You're gonna.

[Mariah Zaki]

You're gonna make him Jalen Brown.

[Marques Brownlee]

He would do it. He would do it.

[David Imel]

We'll go watch his disc golf tournament. That'll be pretty fun. And now the moment you've all been waiting for. That I'm also waiting for.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Trivia. All right, first question. The Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What was the size of the screen closest without going over?

[David Imel]

Oh, man.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, man.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It was a touchscreen to the nearest decimal.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was a little bit tall. It was like 3200 by 2800.

[David Imel]

Them bezels would be thick, though.

[Marques Brownlee]

Bezels would be thick.

[Ellis Hamburger]

They were thick as real. Sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

Why do I know all these things but not the size of the screen? Damn.

[David Imel]

You just know the vibe, you know? Yeah, I still have one. I tripped over it yesterday.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's on the floor.

[David Imel]

I'm not even joking. I tripped over it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've deduced that it's on the floor.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

David always keeps his laptops on the floor. This is the only time I see David's laptop on the desk when we're in this room.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's usually. It's always slightly ajar, you know, on

[Marques Brownlee]

the floor, it was exactly a thousand dollars. Or no, I think so.

[David Imel]

I think it's $9.99.

[Marques Brownlee]

Everyone loved that it was $1,000.

[David Imel]

If you went to IO, you got like $400 off.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. People love that because they would sell

[Mariah Zaki]

it

[Marques Brownlee]

because they would get it for cheap.

[David Imel]

I didn't sell mine. I bought it with hard earned cash.

[Marques Brownlee]

I also did that and then I reviewed it damn Chromebook Pixel.

[David Imel]

I like that computer. It was cool because it was like. It was good hardware. It was really, really thin.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's kind of an oxymoron.

[David Imel]

Good hardware and thin.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, the Chromebook Pixel's existence of. Oh, you only really need to do Chrome because it's a Chromebook and you kind of don't need to do much. Okay, here's a cheap Chrome computer.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, oh, you want a premium laptop that does way more. Well, it doesn't. It's just a Chromebook. Yeah, but you can spend a thousand.

[David Imel]

You don't really need it to do my warm. But you just want the hardware to be nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, when you're using Chrome, chip and a bunch of RAM and all of this.

[David Imel]

When you're using Chrome, you want to be able to feel that hardware feels

[Marques Brownlee]

good when you minimize the desktop and open up Chrome again.

[David Imel]

Yeah, that's right.

[Marques Brownlee]

You want it to be nice and smooth.

[David Imel]

That's absolutely. You're absolutely right, Marcus. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, well, we'll think about that answers at the end, like usual.

[David Imel]

We'll be right back.

[Marques Brownlee]

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[David Imel]

Learn [e-mail] Business Platinum welcome back with the Six Pack. We are here on the Waveform podcast playing another game because there's no news this week.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Whoa.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not enough.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We just spent 50 minutes talking about news.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Four stories. Four stories. And seven years ago, there was way more freaking news than this week.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You guys are yappers.

[Marques Brownlee]

It means tomorrow.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it's all gonna happen.

[David Imel]

Oh, it's all.

[Mariah Zaki]

You know what state that was originally set in, right?

[David Imel]

New Jersey.

[Mariah Zaki]

Pennsylvania. Which is the same state as Philadelphia, which is where the 76ers play.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Why'd you just throw something at Mariah?

[Mariah Zaki]

It was disrespectful. Something. It just kind of went across well

[David Imel]

because there's no news.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, I actually need that back.

[Marques Brownlee]

We're going to.

[David Imel]

We are going to play a game. Adam says it's the Newlyweds game, but contrary to popular belief, I'm not married to Marquez. Yeah. May happen later.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, tbd.

[David Imel]

We'll see.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is the same game we played earlier this year. Andrew adapted it for tech. And in his honor, because he is on paternity leave air quotes, we are bringing it back to play it again. So if you don't remember how to play, I will be asking you guys a question and you need to answer what the answer would be for your partner. So teams this week is going to be David and Marquez versus Ellis and Mariah.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Again, there's a plus five confidence boost.

[David Imel]

What is that? What does that mean?

[Ellis Hamburger]

If you really know the answer. Yeah, we played it.

I saw how poorly this went last time. I was with this.

If you really know the answer that your partner is going to put down, you can confidence boost and you'll get plus 5 points.

[David Imel]

Remember when did the iPhone one and we both knew that we were thinking like iPhone 4s or something at the same time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, we were locked in last time.

[David Imel]

We were Locked.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Actually, you know what? Maybe I'll do plus three. Plus five is like a plus five

[David Imel]

is kind of great.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it's a lot. I'll do plus plus three.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, are we ready?

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Anyone have any questions?

[Mariah Zaki]

I don't think so.

[David Imel]

You want to explain how it works for the listeners?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, I thought I just did.

[Marques Brownlee]

Listen up.

[David Imel]

No, you didn't. Maybe.

[Mariah Zaki]

Here's how it works.

[David Imel]

You just said there's a confidence boost.

[Mariah Zaki]

Andrew's. Jesus.

[David Imel]

Andrew's on paternity leave.

[Mariah Zaki]

Here's how it works. Adam is going to ask us a question. Like, the whole group, two of us, are going to write an answer to that question. Then our teammates are going to guess what we wrote on our boards.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Thank you, Ellis.

[Mariah Zaki]

Thank you.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't know what to do when you're not here by my side. I'm all alone over here. Such a big table and just lil ol me. First question. All right, who do I want to give this to? Let's see who gets first. Do you guys want to decide? You guys decide. How confident are you in your partnership?

[Marques Brownlee]

Winner chooses.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait, you guys are on the same team? That's okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, well, it has one or the other has to get the question right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

So, okay, on three or after three?

[Marques Brownlee]

Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.

[David Imel]

Shoot. Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Ready?

[Marques Brownlee]

Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I choose you to answer Pikachu. So y' all two are going first.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, first question. What app would you say?

[David Imel]

Wait, so I'm guessing what? Marques and I are so cooked.

[Mariah Zaki]

I'm just answering, how often do we talk about apps?

[David Imel]

And you guess what?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I was so often.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, we're like, you know, when we text, it's. It's all app talk.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, I figured your whole slack messages is just about apps. Okay, what app would your partner say is their guilty pleasure?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, so you're saying what app your guilty pleasure is?

[David Imel]

Okay, okay, I'm wondering if you.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What do I even have on my phone?

[David Imel]

I'm wondering if you know this.

[Mariah Zaki]

Wait, so I'm writing what my guilty pleasure is and then Mariah is guessing?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yes, exactly.

[Mariah Zaki]

Okay, so, Mariah, you're guessing my dirty pleasure app.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Guilty, not dirty pleasure. Definitely not dirty pleasure.

[Mariah Zaki]

Can I go back to my corner, please? I don't want to be here at the table. Guys, the lights are too bright. Waveform after dark.

[David Imel]

Thank you. Waveform after dark.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow. That's deeper than I thought it was.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I want to go home every time.

[David Imel]

All right, all right, let's See if Marquette's going to remember.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What do you got?

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, I had two things come to mind. I think yours is either some obscure camera, apparently, or it's literally Instagram.

[Mariah Zaki]

David would feel guilty for using a camera app instead of a camera.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like his eighth camera app or something. But I also. Earlier on this episode, we were talking about how you wish Instagram DMs were separate from Instagram, so you didn't have to use Instagram so much. So I think it's Instagram.

[David Imel]

Do I tell him now?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Sure.

[David Imel]

Okay. I don't get pleasure from Instagram, I'll tell you that.

[Mariah Zaki]

We're so far away from guilt. I'm sorry, guys.

[David Imel]

I will say it's Pokemon TCG Pocket. It's the only game that's on my phone. That's a good game. Besides Bellatro.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Why is that your guilty pleasure?

[David Imel]

Because I don't. You know, I have.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You spend no money on it.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but I still have guilt for playing games. Why? Because we live in America.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We should work that out in therapy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Have your fun, play some games.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You're not still doing Balatro, right?

[David Imel]

I sometimes on the subway, so it's good for the subway.

[Marques Brownlee]

Balatro's offline chest on your phone.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, maybe I'll pick it up.

[David Imel]

Chess. Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, we'll get to that. Marques.

[David Imel]

Okay. Okay, Ellis. Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I think I'm putting all my eggs in one basket. I don't know much about Ellis, but from what I know in our four years of working together, I'm gonna put all my money on the McDonald's app.

[Mariah Zaki]

Oh, that would have been good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Damn, that is good.

[Mariah Zaki]

The app I feel guiltiest about using because of everything that goes down on it is Twitter.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah, that's valid. That's valid.

[Marques Brownlee]

The Sixers memes are unbelievably plentiful.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, yeah, Sixers. Twitter has been a really safe place for me lately, but the rest of that app is.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's an ocean of chaos. That's the hard thing about Twitter, is it's still the people. There are still the funniest people and the memes are still the funniest, but the. The ratio of that to just like, racism and sexism and nudity is crazy.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We hate it.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Sorry, Ellis, I let you down.

It's ok. Maybe you guys couldn't make it up with this one. All right? If your partner could get rid of one overhyped piece of tech from the last decade, what would it be? Oh, gosh, just snap your fingers and it's Gone.

[David Imel]

This is Marquez's writing.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yep.

[David Imel]

Overhyped piece of tech.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is hard. This is hard.

[Marques Brownlee]

Overhyped piece of tech from the last decade.

[Ellis Hamburger]

From the last decade.

I mean, I'm a hater, so it could be new.

Soundboard bite.

[David Imel]

Yeah, this is a tough one.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't have an answer. I honestly.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It could be software.

[Marques Brownlee]

Could be software.

[David Imel]

Overhyped.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. An overhyped piece of tech I.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can get rid of.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Should I run it again? Let's give you a little more time.

[David Imel]

Yeah, run it again.

[Marques Brownlee]

Overhyped civ tech.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is a hard one. This feels like a cop out. It's like the first thing I can think of.

But think about what your partner would think of.

[David Imel]

Ellis hates a lot of things.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We're both haters. How do I pick my biggest hate?

[Mariah Zaki]

Overhyped people.

[David Imel]

That the hate flow through you.

[Mariah Zaki]

Mariah think is overhyped so much.

[David Imel]

What do you think that you think is overhyped?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't have a good answer.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I picked a normie answer.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is bad. I should just think of something on the spot. Overhyped that I wish never happened.

[David Imel]

Get rid of it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That David would wish never happened.

[David Imel]

No, no, no. It's that. No, it's Marquez. And I guess what he.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[David Imel]

You're right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't have to play this game.

[David Imel]

This is what you did last time.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't know how to play this

[David Imel]

like I did last time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. No, no.

[David Imel]

I feel like you don't want to get rid of it, right? Like you don't want to get rid of it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I do.

[David Imel]

What do you think is just overhyped. Say. Say you don't have to get rid of it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's fair.

[David Imel]

Just think of a piece of tech

[Ellis Hamburger]

that's overhyped from the last 10 years.

[David Imel]

Yeah, they're like, what?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's.

[David Imel]

It's whatever. Compared to the hype that people behind it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I need examples. I don't.

[David Imel]

Mark is a true, true tech lover. He's a true lover of tech.

[Marques Brownlee]

Was it hype, though?

[Ellis Hamburger]

For some. For some.

Are you guys from the same thing?

[David Imel]

I really hope you didn't write the humanity icon.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

Damn. I mean, I have one that I think Marquez would put, but I don't think that he thought of it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay.

[David Imel]

So. Correct. Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is a softball.

[David Imel]

I'm gonna say the humane iPad. I think that's what he wrote.

[Marques Brownlee]

I wrote the humane pin. Let's go.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Points. All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Alison. Mariah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Mariah, this is A tough one because it was hell.

[David Imel]

I mean, before it came out, it was hella hyped. Yeah, dude, they were hyped.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That was super hyped.

[Mariah Zaki]

Do you not remember, like, the year leading up to it, we'd go on the website, it would be like, we're not going to tell you what it is. But you're all.

[Marques Brownlee]

They all hyped it and everyone watched it and went, no, it's not.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, well, once they announced it, no,

[Marques Brownlee]

we all looked at them and went like, why are they hyping this so much?

[David Imel]

It's clearly not going to be expectations, Reality.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, it was internal hype. Expectations.

[David Imel]

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What is what?

[Mariah Zaki]

Hey, Mariah, I know you're a hater, but I also know you're someone that will live with the tech products you hate for some time. There was a while where the slack was Mariah being like, my Pixel Watch driving me.

[David Imel]

She loves the Pixel Watch.

[Mariah Zaki]

Correct me if I'm wrong though. Didn't you lose a Pixel Watch because it fell off your wrist and into a trash can? You just decided you were not going to get it like that. It was a trash.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I reached into a trash can and it unclipped itself into the trash can.

[David Imel]

It was a wallet.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was like, I am home.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I was going to leave it at a Wawa.

[David Imel]

It was the first generation. By the way, the Pixel Watch is good now, but the first gen was horrible audio listeners.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's still here.

She's still wearing the Pixel Watch.

[Mariah Zaki]

My instincts, you know, my first instinct is to make it something gamer related, like gamer chairs.

[Marques Brownlee]

Gabriel's doing it.

[Mariah Zaki]

But I think you wanted the point so bad that you went with a very banal answer. So I am also going to say the humane AI pin.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's really unfortunate because that's true.

[David Imel]

We should have. Both of us should have tripled down on that. I was not confident what I was thinking that you should have said Marques, because I know that you just hate nostalgia.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Pixel Wash is good, though.

[David Imel]

I know that you're like a nostalgia hater. You're like, this only exists because of nostalgia.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David Imel]

Even though you're really hyped about backyard baseball coming back.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yes, I would have. Just.

[David Imel]

Which is also nostalgia.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

A final runner up for the new soundboard was Marques saying, we've just invented this really new cool thing, but do you remember the old thing?

[David Imel]

That's a good one. Yeah. I would have said for you, I would have done like emulators or Something because it's all nostalgia based.

[Marques Brownlee]

Mario Kart 39. Okay, that's good. Yeah, that's good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is somehow turning into the Hater Awards, but I love it. All right, next question.

[David Imel]

I love this game.

[Ellis Hamburger]

At what battery percentage do you think your partner starts freaking out and looking for a charger?

[David Imel]

Oh, gosh.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Huh?

This is easy.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah. What. What battery percentage do I start freaking out, Mariah?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I mean, Ellis is living large now.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's got that man. Came from a mini.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, he's no fear.

[Marques Brownlee]

He probably gets a 3%. Doesn't even think twice.

[Ellis Hamburger]

David.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I have a theory for this one.

[Mariah Zaki]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I have a. Yeah, I get the.

[David Imel]

Is it, like, closest?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. How close do we need to be?

There's 100 digits closest without going over.

[David Imel]

Without going over?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah,

the sweat and Jupiter, but.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, I think I got an answer.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I know what you would say.

[David Imel]

All right, I'm ready.

[Marques Brownlee]

Should I go first?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Sure.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

You're on an iPhone, and when you hit 20% on an iPhone, it automatically switches the battery icon to red and switches to low power mode. And I think that's the exact moment you start looking for a charger. So 2064, I start to freak out.

[David Imel]

I have massive power anxiety, dude. I have battery anxiety all the time. No, it doesn't matter that it's the air.

[Marques Brownlee]

It does, though.

[David Imel]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, pretty much any device never even over 64%.

[David Imel]

Hey, you take it off the charger. Air is at 94 right now because I always keep it on the charger.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We've been doing nothing for an hour. How's it at 94?

[David Imel]

Yeah, because I've been doing nothing.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So it drains 6%. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sitting there.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Well, yeah, I guess 64% on an iPhone 17 will last you the rest of the day.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, not 17.

[Mariah Zaki]

Pro will last you, like, two days, not a weekend.

[David Imel]

Either way, I get really anxious when my devices hit 64.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, I didn't go over.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. So you're 44 percentiles off.

[Mariah Zaki]

Oh, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. So let's see what.

[David Imel]

See what they get.

[Mariah Zaki]

What do you want to guess, Mariah? I wish I had listened to you. You're not gonna say anything?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I. I feel like you could go feral. I think your phone could get pretty low before you.

[Mariah Zaki]

I have been known to be pretty feral around these parts.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I'm thinking single digits.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's what I think.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And my hunch is 5%.

[Mariah Zaki]

This is really my fault. I don't even know why I'm mad. Because I am feral. I put zero. I don't give a anymore.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I knew it.

[Mariah Zaki]

After that mini life dude, my phone goes all the way down. And I'm still fine with your phone being down because I'm on a pro now.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Like, that's the only number I can lose at.

[Mariah Zaki]

That's really. I wrote it down. And then Adam says closest without going over.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And I knew, I will say I knew that you would write zero.

That's so I was gonna say like 1%.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was thinking three.

[Mariah Zaki]

As soon as I close out going over, I was like, well, all of the numbers are over.

[Marques Brownlee]

That is. That means we get the point.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

By default.

[David Imel]

Let's go

[Ellis Hamburger]

the point.

[Mariah Zaki]

Like, don't really charge my phone that much.

[David Imel]

You're insane.

[Mariah Zaki]

Like, I regularly just like fall asleep with it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Well, the next question was going to be what is your current battery presented?

[David Imel]

I just said.

[Ellis Hamburger]

David just said it, so I have to ignore that one.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but it's Marquez's.

[Marques Brownlee]

You said 94.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's true.

That is true. Okay. Yeah. All right.

[David Imel]

Which phone of his?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Don't worry about it.

That's.

That is fair.

[Mariah Zaki]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

No, let's do the air.

[Marques Brownlee]

They're very different.

[David Imel]

The air.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What is the battery percentage on Mariah Marquez's phone?

[Mariah Zaki]

But are we doing close is not

[Ellis Hamburger]

going over closest without going over.

[David Imel]

That going ever. H. Interesting.

[Mariah Zaki]

Mariah, what phone do you have right now?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I'm sorry to all of my pixel lovers. We are now on the S24 Ultra.

[David Imel]

Oh, whoa. What happened?

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's not by choice.

[David Imel]

What happened to your pixel?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I cursed her is what happened.

[Mariah Zaki]

And Mariah seems like it charges her phone every night kind of person. Mariah drives to work, which means she charges her phone in the car.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Sometimes does.

[Mariah Zaki]

And she sat at her desk for about an hour and a half.

[David Imel]

What happened to your pixel?

[Ellis Hamburger]

It fell one foot and the screen won't turn on.

I cursed her.

[David Imel]

Was it a six?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Legendary. Yeah, you're probably the last remaining Pixel 6.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Support ends in October, so it was time.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's fair.

[David Imel]

All right, I'm gonna guess. Okay, I think that it's at. Without going over.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, without going over. Marques's iPhone air.

[David Imel]

I think it's 72, but I'm gonna give myself a little buffer room. I'm gonna say 69.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[David Imel]

Okay, thanks.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right.

[David Imel]

What is it? 83. See, this is what I'm talking about. It's not that bad.

[Ellis Hamburger]

83. Okay.

[David Imel]

The battery life is not that bad.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Dude, it's 12 o'.

[David Imel]

Clock.

[Marques Brownlee]

Duddy.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We're not even halfway through the day.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anything?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait, he's done nothing.

[David Imel]

What?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Phone.

[David Imel]

IPhone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Air.

[Ellis Hamburger]

IPhone.

[David Imel]

Air. Oh, okay.

[Mariah Zaki]

But I feel really confident in my guess. So confident I'm using this confidence.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, snap, brother. Could be a plus three.

[Mariah Zaki]

And I think Mariah has 84 battery or greater.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And that is why I have 91.

[David Imel]

Damn. Triple.

[Mariah Zaki]

I made it up. I made up for my 0% gaff.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wow, that's plus 3 points for LS a trip.

[David Imel]

Is that what they call it, a trip in basketball? We get a triple a three pointer.

[Mariah Zaki]

Sure, man.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it could work.

[David Imel]

What do they call it? A trip?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Well, I don't want to, honestly. Yeah, yeah, that works. Three.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, trip.

[David Imel]

My baby got a lot of trips.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, he got an okay amount of trips.

[David Imel]

Okay, I had the bobblehead, the big bobblehead, the Bibi bobblehead.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Quick update on the score after that confidence boost by Ellis and Mariah now have four total points. David and Marquez running up the rear with two.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, we can still get our confidence in.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Lock it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, we gotta get this one.

[David Imel]

We gotta get it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, is your partner a read receipts person or a read receipts person?

[David Imel]

Oh, I'm guessing, I'm guessing Marques.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait, what?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, you're saying.

[Ellis Hamburger]

How do you say it? How do you pronounce it? Read or receipts?

[David Imel]

We've had this. We have literally yelled at each other about this so many times.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I didn't know this was even a debate.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, we debate all the time. The way it's supposed to be said, read receipts or read receipts.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't even know what you're writing on your whiteboard.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's gonna be the same.

Wait, what do you mean? I don't think of that.

[David Imel]

It's phonetic. You write phonetically.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, what do we got?

[Marques Brownlee]

I am not as confident in this as I want to be.

[David Imel]

Oh, my goodness. I know your answer.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm not using it. But I think you say read receipts.

[David Imel]

David, what happened to you? What happened?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's red.

[Mariah Zaki]

Because I thought you said read receipts.

[Marques Brownlee]

I said read, read receipts.

[David Imel]

Okay. Oh, my.

[Marques Brownlee]

And you say that's why I didn't use the confidence. That's why I didn't use it.

[David Imel]

We had to lock in Mark.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I forgot.

[David Imel]

It's okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. That's my fault.

[David Imel]

It's okay. Well, I'm correct, so it's fine.

[Mariah Zaki]

Ryan, I think you should use your confidence boost here.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Do we each get one?

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Oh, I think you should.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't know that. I thought it was one per Team.

No. Every player gets one.

[David Imel]

We got a lot.

[Mariah Zaki]

I mean, if you feel confident.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I mean, there's only one right answer.

[Mariah Zaki]

I think so.

[David Imel]

There is only one right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

There's. There's no debate.

[Mariah Zaki]

And I think we're.

[David Imel]

I agree with you.

[Mariah Zaki]

So I think you should use it.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it's a lot of talking.

[Mariah Zaki]

Are you using a confidence boost or not?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I'm gonna use the confidence boost on snap read receipts. There's only one.

[Mariah Zaki]

No.

[David Imel]

Okay, listen to me. Listen to me, Mariah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What?

[David Imel]

Listen to me.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, Ellis.

[David Imel]

A receipt, right? A receipt means the other person has seen it. Correct.

[Mariah Zaki]

A receipt,

[David Imel]

that means that they have read your message.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah. A receipt is inherently a token generated by an action in the past.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's read.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's read receipts.

[Marques Brownlee]

Read receipts.

[David Imel]

Give me your logic.

[Marques Brownlee]

Did you read it? No. There's a receipt.

[David Imel]

They read it because you got the receipt.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So is this team read and team read?

[David Imel]

You are the one that got the receipt. They read your message.

[Mariah Zaki]

You would never. You would never say, like, this is a receipt of something I buy. You would say, this is a receipt of something I bought. Because you did it in the past.

[Marques Brownlee]

This receipt.

[David Imel]

It's a receipt, which is something that happened before.

[Mariah Zaki]

This receipt is a token of them having read my message.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but for some reason, the phrasing read receipt. Because we never say, like, grocery receipt or tax receipt or whatever we use. It's just a unique phrase of read receipt. Like, we just happen to use these words next to each other in this way.

[David Imel]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

And for whatever reason, it's read receipt. Read receipt. Doesn't. Just doesn't work.

[David Imel]

They read it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

They read it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So you'd say they read it and they got a read receipt when they read it.

[David Imel]

No, you got a red receipt when they read it.

[Marques Brownlee]

You say, not read receipt, read receipt.

[David Imel]

You do not get a receipt of your own message.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is up. Why would you do this, David?

[Marques Brownlee]

When do I get the receipt?

[David Imel]

When they read your message.

[Marques Brownlee]

When they read my message.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I miss Andrew.

[David Imel]

Because they have. So it's a read receipt, but they have read it by the time you get the receipt.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, when they read it, I get a receipt. Read receipt.

[David Imel]

No, it's their read receipt, but it's your read receipt. How about that?

[Ellis Hamburger]

What's the next question?

[David Imel]

We need to move on.

[Mariah Zaki]

This is disappointing.

[David Imel]

We've already done this debate many times on this podcast.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's just your fault.

[Marques Brownlee]

You threw A head fake, completely wrong direction action.

[David Imel]

That's great. I love it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All that talking worked out in Marquez's favor.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Next question. I'll go a little easier this time.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's red.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

It is red.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You can be wrong. It's fine.

[David Imel]

Alice and I are right.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's okay to be right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

If your partner could only use one phone for the rest of their life, what would it be? Assume the phone is in working condition forever.

[Mariah Zaki]

How specific do I need to be?

[David Imel]

Like, one phone at all?

[Ellis Hamburger]

One phone. I need model. Yeah, it doesn't need to be like the gigabyte storage, you know, like whatever,

[Marques Brownlee]

but like a one phone, one phone

[Ellis Hamburger]

person that will work forever. It's a one phone person.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, my God.

[Ellis Hamburger]

But they can't switch off of that phone. What would it be?

That's. That's kind of tough.

[David Imel]

Oh, it's for me.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's my phone.

[David Imel]

Your phone?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

So. Oh, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You need to guess, David.

[David Imel]

I'm guessing. Yeah. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Ellis. I don't. I don't know.

[David Imel]

Okay, I'm Gonna guess the S26 Ultra.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Why would you guess that?

[David Imel]

Really? That's like. I don't know. Really? Not anymore.

[Mariah Zaki]

No. OnePlus 15, iPhone 17.

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably just give me the big one. That'll get a ton of years of software updates.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, you thought Way too practical for you. I would have put HTC One M8. Like, this is the phone that I can use forever.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a different question. That's a different question.

[Ellis Hamburger]

One phone that you can use forever. Doesn't, like, assume it's working forever. Perfectly functioning perfectly.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, a hypothetical phone.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, forever.

[David Imel]

Is it the S26 Ultra?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I mean, I'd probably use like an older.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Like a. Yeah, that's what I figured

[Marques Brownlee]

you would go from past.

[David Imel]

But it's just because you were always switching back to both the S24 and the S25 Ultras.

[Ellis Hamburger]

But notably not the S26 Ultra.

[David Imel]

So why would you know that? That I know that, but I.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is the first year he's like, mating at oneplus.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. Yeah, we tried.

[David Imel]

Yep. But you didn't like the camera on the OnePlus, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Not really.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So that's why it was.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, but that's why he has an iPhone. Air for that awesome single camera.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

What are you even doing for photography?

[Marques Brownlee]

An oppo find X9 Ultra.

[David Imel]

You have three phones with you now?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What?

When did this happen?

[Marques Brownlee]

Another backpack for that.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait, but don't you have the Hasselblad in the backpack.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not all the time.

[David Imel]

That thing is heavy as hell.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Hustle block.

[Mariah Zaki]

Marquez. Have you seen those har outside. Do you know the harmonica vests? Kind of like if you. If you're really serious about harmonica, you have one and every key. You wear a vest and you keep. I think we might. You're phone vest.

[Marques Brownlee]

I got the iPhone, air pocket, the X9 Ultra pocket.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Michael Fisher used to have one of those. The little dual chest strap thing.

[David Imel]

I can do that.

[Marques Brownlee]

I could rock that.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. Okay. Anyway, Ellis and Mariah, the first thing

[Mariah Zaki]

I have to deduce is whether or not you answered this question realistically or fancifully and went with like a. Like a feature phone that is somehow like miraculously working on modern. Or if you went, you know the realistic answer.

[David Imel]

I'm curious what Mariah would say. I think.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I think I kind of panicked.

I'm not going to lie.

[Marques Brownlee]

I kind of think. I know

[Ellis Hamburger]

Marques doesn't like my answer.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah. I'm going to assume that means you went realistic and if you panicked, it means you went with something reliable. So I'm going to say that you went with your classic coral pixel 6.

[David Imel]

That's my guess.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That would be the safe answer and probably a more rational choice. I need an explanation than the Pixel 3a. Why would you.

That's so specific.

Because I had the Pixel 3a and it was the nostalgia. I missed the back didn't have the fingerprint on the back.

Yeah, that's a good.

She's kind of cute. Small.

Yeah, but it's so much the teal power button.

[David Imel]

Right?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Is that the one?

[David Imel]

No, that's.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The two didn't have different.

[David Imel]

The three A I don't think had that. I think the four. The four.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm remembering the two.

[David Imel]

The four A had the three.

[Mariah Zaki]

Four A came in a pink color or orange color.

[David Imel]

Yeah, we had a big. The four days. The four came in this, not the 4A.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It was purely 4A came in.

[David Imel]

It was like.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Like salmon.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it was just small. It's portable, it's not small and it was affordable.

[David Imel]

The 3A was bigger than the 3.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Well, 3A XL I think was bigger.

[David Imel]

No, but no, the 3A was bigger than the 3.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Maybe my memory doesn't serve me well.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it was annoyingly big.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The nostalgia glasses, the A's are all

[David Imel]

big, which is annoying.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it was a terrible answer.

I just find it hilarious that you chose an A series phone like Ellis was gonna get that?

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right. We gotta lock back in.

[Mariah Zaki]

Lock c. All lock back in.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Like that.

[Mariah Zaki]

Stay locked out, please.

[David Imel]

Stay locked.

[Marques Brownlee]

We're locked out. We got to lock in.

[Mariah Zaki]

We're one point ahead. But with no bonuses.

[Ellis Hamburger]

No.

[David Imel]

Two point points ahead. Two points ahead, but no bonuses. We both have our bonus.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, they both have their bonuses. Okay, next question. Window seat or aisle seat?

[David Imel]

Like, what would Marquette. Oh, what do I do?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yes.

Oh, yeah, but look how fun the buttons on the Pixel 3a are.

[David Imel]

Oh, no, I'm actually.

[Marques Brownlee]

I actually. No, that's valid. I was picturing this accent.

[David Imel]

You do book my flights, Marquez.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Well, Harper does.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know. Which is crazy cuz I have logic for why you would say both.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, yeah, I know the answer.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I know the answer.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is another 50. 50 split.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because of. Of booking in the past.

[David Imel]

Because of.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'mma use my.

[David Imel]

This is.

[Mariah Zaki]

I can't.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm not going to say I can't use it yet. I can't use it yet. I can't use my confidence yet. Okay. My logic is David's bringing his camera. He's definitely gonna want a window seat to take pictures out the plane window. However, comma. I think I'm the only one who prefers a window seat. When I've booked people in the studio, they either say, give me an aisle or I don't care. So I think David is one of the aisle people.

[David Imel]

This your official guess? Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

God, I'm always, always window seat.

[David Imel]

Always window seat.

[Mariah Zaki]

Is this question?

[David Imel]

Yeah. Cause I love.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is it a preferred window seat?

[David Imel]

Yeah, always.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Always. The only reason I say I don't care so that other people can get window seat. I think we're all windowsy people.

[Mariah Zaki]

Is this about when we're flying for. I don't want to ask this question. This is about business class or economy class.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wow, you rich. I know.

[Mariah Zaki]

I didn't want to.

[David Imel]

It does matter that drastically?

[Mariah Zaki]

Yes. That changes my answer.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's a big difference.

[Mariah Zaki]

So what is it for me?

[David Imel]

It doesn't matter.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What would you put down?

[David Imel]

I put down.

[Mariah Zaki]

I can't say.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, you have a different answer. Oh, interesting.

[Mariah Zaki]

No, I put down economy because I'm a man of the people.

[Marques Brownlee]

In which case you prefer economy. One thing.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

100%.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. I think that helps me know what you said.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, well, it doesn't matter what you think.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, well, with my deductive reasoning and my 50, 50% chance of getting it right, I do know on United that the aisle seat has smaller foot room.

[David Imel]

What?

[Marques Brownlee]

Really?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. Like when you're putting your backpack under. Actually, the backpack room is smaller than the window seat.

Which seat?

[Marques Brownlee]

Rails.

[Ellis Hamburger]

But I do know you're a man of long legs, and so my legs.

[Mariah Zaki]

The long way.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That does make me feel like you would prefer more space. You like a view, but I feel like you value being closer to the snacks, which makes me feel like this

[Mariah Zaki]

is the most like LLM.

[David Imel]

No, wait.

[Mariah Zaki]

You like a view, but you also prefer.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I cannot answer this question.

And I feel like you are an aisle. See?

[Mariah Zaki]

You nailed it, Mariah. Now again, soundboard 2.0 has a long way button. If you go to page one Waveform podcast. The long way.

[David Imel]

Okay, we gotta lock in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[David Imel]

We gotta use our doubles.

[Mariah Zaki]

We never mentioned we updated the soundboard. You guys have been asking for weeks.

[Ellis Hamburger]

There's a lot of new stuff on

[Mariah Zaki]

here, a lot of new sounds.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We're trickling them out.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Nice.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, they'll be rolling out over the upcoming.

[Marques Brownlee]

Lock in. Lock in. We need this three pointer right now.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

We need this tray try.

[David Imel]

We need this trip. Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Triple double flip.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Your partner is making a list of specs in a Google Doc.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Are they using dashes or bullet points?

[David Imel]

Oh, no.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What kind of question is this?

No, dude, it's designed to make you fight.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dude.

[David Imel]

Andrew and I.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait up. Don't give too much away.

[David Imel]

That's true. I can't say. Well, I know, but Marquez is the one that's. I'm guessing him, so it doesn't matter what I put.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay.

[David Imel]

Andrew and I kind of co write the podcast together, and I use bullet points and he uses just dashes, and it's infuriating. And I'm sure it's also inferior for him.

[Mariah Zaki]

Let's get this argument.

[David Imel]

I love the bullet points.

[Mariah Zaki]

Why?

[David Imel]

I don't know, man.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I have a real big brain answer for this.

[Mariah Zaki]

I have a small brain answer, and it proves that I'm right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's also the big brain answer, surprisingly. All right, flip Marie. What do we got?

[Marques Brownlee]

Smooth out your brain.

[Mariah Zaki]

Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't. Don't do that.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait, we're not ready yet.

[David Imel]

We guessed.

[Mariah Zaki]

We haven't guessed yet, remember?

[Ellis Hamburger]

You're right. I'm in trivia mode.

[Mariah Zaki]

Do not flip and read.

[David Imel]

Should I trip it right now? Should I trip this? It is 50. 50. It might be worth tripping. I'm gonna trip it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Trip.

[David Imel]

I'm tripping for bullets.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Marquez.

[Mariah Zaki]

Thank you. Marquez.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dashes me, dog. Dashes is.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You literally just said he uses Bullet.

[David Imel]

No, I use bullets, Mar.

[Marques Brownlee]

Andrew uses dashes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, I see.

[Marques Brownlee]

Where do you think he got that from?

[David Imel]

Daddy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Ellis, you're up.

[Mariah Zaki]

No, I'm just trying to think if. I've. We've definitely collabed on a Google Doc before. I just can't remember what you do, but I'm. I believe so strongly that one of these is the right answer. And I believe that answer is dashes, which is why I'm going to say, Mariah, you're probably a bullet point person.

[David Imel]

Nice. Go. Nice.

[Mariah Zaki]

I knew if I went with my gut, I'd be wrong.

[David Imel]

I should have known that, too.

[Mariah Zaki]

I like dashes because you don't need to click the mouse.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's true. That's true.

You don't need to click the mouse.

[Mariah Zaki]

If you just hit the dash button on a new line and then hit space, it goes into formatting.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it turns into a bullet.

[Mariah Zaki]

No, it turns it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I think that's if you hit Enter. It turns it into a bullet. No, it never.

[Mariah Zaki]

It never turns it into a bullet.

[Marques Brownlee]

I do it all the time.

[Mariah Zaki]

I never.

[David Imel]

Wait, so you do use bullets?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I hit a dash and hit space, and it makes it a bullet. Maybe it's not Google Docs.

[Mariah Zaki]

So in Apple Notes, I can say with 100% certainty, it's dashes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, but it's Apple Notes in ticktick.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know.

[David Imel]

Makes it bullets, but maybe the question was Google Docs.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it was about Google Docs.

[Mariah Zaki]

I think in Google Docs, it's also dashes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I was gonna say. Wait, so what do you think happens? Let me test it out right now.

[Mariah Zaki]

So if you hit. Create a new line.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, create a new line.

[Mariah Zaki]

Hit dash and then hit space. And then it should indent it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It stays a dash.

[Mariah Zaki]

Let's go.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it indents it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it indents it. But it stays.

[Mariah Zaki]

But I think you might be thinking of Tick.

[David Imel]

Tick.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's a couple apps that treat it differently. Damn. Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

Another zero.

[Mariah Zaki]

I'm sorry. How many points we got right now?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Six points.

[David Imel]

All right, Marquez, you gotta. You gotta use your trip on me.

[Marques Brownlee]

I do.

[David Imel]

You gotta know what I'm thinking.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm trying to lock in. I'm locking in.

[David Imel]

Lock in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Are we ready? If they had to use one kind of phone for the next year, would it fold or flip me? You got to pick one.

Oh, God.

[David Imel]

Sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

For the next one year.

[Ellis Hamburger]

For the next year. Just a year.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's terrible, right?

[Mariah Zaki]

No, it's okay. I'm the sound guy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, I got one. I think I got one.

[David Imel]

I'm nervous.

[Mariah Zaki]

My eraser looks like pig pen from the peanuts. My board does because of the lack of quality of my eraser.

[David Imel]

I'm nervous.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think Mariah should go first.

[Mariah Zaki]

Mariah, what'd I put?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I feel like it's the opposite of what I would do.

[Mariah Zaki]

It is.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You don't even know what I'm gonna say.

[Mariah Zaki]

You know what you're gonna say. I do know what you're gonna say.

[David Imel]

Tell yes or no.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I have to. Tiny pockets. So I'd want the flip. So I feel like you want the fold.

[Mariah Zaki]

Exactly. Because I love. That was really loud. I'm sorry about that. I love performatively reading. And there's nothing better than reading on a full.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's like a book, but not when

[Mariah Zaki]

you have the full. A folding phone folded out and you're able to have two columns of text. It actually is like a game changer.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And it says, look at me.

Yep.

Yeah, look at me.

Not quite as much as it looked, though.

[Mariah Zaki]

I'm better than you.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't want to use my 6.

[Mariah Zaki]

7.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Even in your fantasy, you have sixers going to the game seven.

[Mariah Zaki]

I'd be careful because that's.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm like 78. Sure.

[Mariah Zaki]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Of this one.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

78. Not 67.

[Marques Brownlee]

But unfortunately that means 76. 22. Unsure. Which is like one for five.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I don't. I think you would want to max out and get a fold. It's one year. You could. You could edit photos you could use. Yeah, I was. I'm gonna go with fold.

[David Imel]

Fold. Okay, go.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

I didn't use the confidence.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You did not use the confidence.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I wasn't confident. Yeah. I haven't used a flip.

[David Imel]

A flip since the first Z flip.

[Ellis Hamburger]

They're fun.

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

The flip sevens. Fantastic.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The new ones are great.

[David Imel]

Yeah. I should try one of the new ones. It's been a while.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, next question.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. We didn't fall behind.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Did not fall behind.

[David Imel]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

We need to hit a huge three to cut the lead. Trip.

[David Imel]

Huge trip.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What is one thing that your partner actually uses AI for? Go

[David Imel]

editing his videos.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've answered this on the podcast already.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Am I allowed to guess? You have nothing.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Sure. Yeah. That's enough.

[David Imel]

I wish I could use my trip right now because I know this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait. Why can't you use a trip?

[David Imel]

Because I already used.

[Marques Brownlee]

Tried already. I think I know this.

[David Imel]

I might not.

[Mariah Zaki]

No.

[David Imel]

Oh, wait, wait. I guess I didn't have to write it. Down. Okay, I wrote. Well, I'm saying brainstorming, Marques, that is. Does that count?

[Marques Brownlee]

The second thing I use it for.

[David Imel]

Oh, God.

[Marques Brownlee]

The number one thing I use it for.

[David Imel]

Use it for emails. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

You guys all looked at me like I had my head chopped off.

[Mariah Zaki]

I hate when I get an email that was clearly written by AI.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's why I make it unclear.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Keep them guessing. Yeah, honestly, all of the emails. Damn AI talking to AI anymore.

[David Imel]

At least I didn't use my trip. You know what I'm saying?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, true, Mariah. Brainstorming. You're not wrong. That's also what.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, my first instinct is that you wrote you don't use it for anything. But I do know of one thing that you used it, you use it for occasionally, and I just don't know if you put it or not because it's so infrequent, which is when you had a pixel editing photos to make them funny and slack. Like you did. The one of you touching the ceiling and jumping really high.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah, that's funny.

[Mariah Zaki]

But I don't think you did that. I think you wrote nothing.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I think nothing was my default. But then I realized I actually do use it only to compile lists. So I'll feed it, like, an image that I want it to turn into a list or a receipt and I want it to break it down, and that's all I really.

Wait, that's actually a really smart use case.

Yeah, I'm not going to do the math. I don't know how to figure it out.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's valid.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Otherwise, nothing.

[David Imel]

Okay, sick.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Well, score is still seven to three.

[David Imel]

Let's go.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Lock in, lock in, lock in. Who has their trips left? Only Marquez.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's just me. I guess I gotta use it soon.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, how many questions are left?

[David Imel]

I have enough for us to win.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I have five questions left, but AI has, like, 30 pulled up, so.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, David.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I'm ready. Lock, locked. The.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm in.

[David Imel]

Locked and loaded.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Speaking of locking in, great segue. What is one sign that your partner is locked in, in and in the zone and should not be bothered me.

[Marques Brownlee]

So y' all are. They're answering. I already forgot who was writing, who just assigned. Okay, yeah, I think that's a pretty clear one. Okay, trying to think if there's any others.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Quick reminder, the only one with a trip is Marquez.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I'm gonna use it.

[David Imel]

Really?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Damn, David, I think this trip thing might stick. I'm gonna start calling him that.

[David Imel]

Mike, baby, with the trip.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, why not?

[Marques Brownlee]

Sure. Elsa's still writing.

[Mariah Zaki]

Sorry. I tried to write a letter, but it looked like another letter, and I didn't want the viewers to laugh at me. They're gonna do that anyway, and I welcome it, man. I'm wearing a blue dog.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is not. All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Should I go first?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm using my confidence.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, snap.

[Marques Brownlee]

My three.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Using the trip.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think when David's locked in, he's got his AirPods in. Don't interrupt what he's doing. He's in the zone.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay.

[David Imel]

It's just I have my AirPods on.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's got headphones on somehow. Yeah.

[David Imel]

David, does this count? I can't hear you.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The. Does that mean.

[Marques Brownlee]

What do you mean by that?

[David Imel]

Okay. You know when. Okay. It's like when I'm locked in, right? I'm like. I'm working on something, and I'm thinking really hard, and someone's like, hey, David. David. David. And I can't hear them because Headphones. Well, some. Sometimes you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because you have headphones.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Your own partner is like, no, I

[David Imel]

can't hear you because I have headphones on.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I feel like that's close enough. I think that's fair.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's got metaphorical headphones on.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Brain headphones.

[Mariah Zaki]

Where's your competitive spirit?

[Ellis Hamburger]

For the sake of the game?

It's fair.

I'll give it to him.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's nice. That's nice.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That was the most roundabout way of saying that, though.

[David Imel]

Now it's six to seven.

[Marques Brownlee]

Ah, damn it.

[Mariah Zaki]

You better get this right after. After selling our team out like that.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I think if you're at work here, I think the door is closed.

[Mariah Zaki]

Boom, baby. Let's go.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's, like, the most obvious that seems like.

[Marques Brownlee]

That seemed like an Ellis question.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

Give me a little reverb right now. Let's go.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Nice. I actually thought that that was a long time. Like, Ellis's answer was, obviously, if he's, like, in the audio room, door, closed, whatever. I thought the obvious other answer was, you're wearing headphones. So I was like, this will be an easy point.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, so did I.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You both got it.

[David Imel]

I wear headphones all the time. Like, I wear headphones like, 80% of my waking life. Was that.

[Mariah Zaki]

Was that Marquez's confidence answer?

[Ellis Hamburger]

That was.

[Mariah Zaki]

Oh, my God.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. So now it's eight.

[David Imel]

But he got it right. He got it right, though.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's okay. We're still winning.

Yeah, you're winning by two.

[David Imel]

By two.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, all right, all right. The score is eight to six. All right. How many more questions do you guys want?

[David Imel]

Enough for us to win, so three.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Three more questions.

[Marques Brownlee]

Three more questions.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, we've got three more questions.

[Marques Brownlee]

Got to go.

[Mariah Zaki]

Miss one, it's game over.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, can't miss. It's a game winning three.

[David Imel]

We got to get perfect score.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Lock the game winning trip.

[David Imel]

Lock in game winning trip.

[Mariah Zaki]

Mike Bibby.

[David Imel]

Mike Bibby.

[Mariah Zaki]

As they say in the league. Bibby style.

[David Imel]

Bibby style.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Bibby style.

[David Imel]

All right, baby bubble head.

[Mariah Zaki]

Do you think Mike Bibby listens to this podcast?

[Ellis Hamburger]

God, I hope so, because he used to be one of my favorite players.

[David Imel]

Yeah, he's lit. Yeah, just like Slavakovic or whatever his name is.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Stakovic. Nice. Nice. Look at you, David. I'm so proud of you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hey, man, I was.

[David Imel]

I was. I was.

[Ellis Hamburger]

David knows ball.

[David Imel]

I live near Sacramento.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Near. All right.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What is the screen time on your partner's phone right now?

[David Imel]

Screen for the day.

[Mariah Zaki]

Delta close. Going over.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We'll do Delta with this one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which phone?

[Ellis Hamburger]

What would you consider as your primary phone?

[Marques Brownlee]

The OnePlus 15.

[Mariah Zaki]

I have one. One more question. Is it listed as a decimal, like,

[Ellis Hamburger]

blank point blank, hours, hours and 15 hours and minutes and 15 seconds.

[Mariah Zaki]

It listed an hour and 15 minutes increments.

[Ellis Hamburger]

In my head, I was just picturing like 8 hours and 15 minutes, so I said 15.

[Marques Brownlee]

Clearly, I'm. Today.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What screen time today?

[Mariah Zaki]

Oh, thus far.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Like, thus far today.

[David Imel]

Yeah, Diddy, mind you.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What time is it? Is it.

It is now 12:53 in the PM 3:00pm okay. All right.

[David Imel]

I'm gonna guess one hour, 15 minutes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

One hour and 15 minutes. Marquez. Ooh, 13 minutes off. Oh, no. Marquez. But one hour and 28 minutes.

[David Imel]

Let's go see.

[Ellis Hamburger]

13 minutes off.

[Marques Brownlee]

Very close.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's about as close as I think you're.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Can Mariah and Ellis beat this?

[Mariah Zaki]

I'm going to try to live my day in the world of Mariah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Explain this and take a while.

[David Imel]

Guess right. I think it's like 12:54. Mariah's like 12 hours, 54.

[Mariah Zaki]

I think Mariah wakes up unbelievably early due to the horrors. I think Mariah is confronted by the horrors.

[David Imel]

It's a fair guess.

[Ellis Hamburger]

The screams.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, almost immediately. And resolves this by going on her phone. I think this begins at approximately 10am

[Ellis Hamburger]

that's when work starts.

[Mariah Zaki]

Mariah, I think thus far today. Does driving maps count as screen on time?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it does.

[David Imel]

It does.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It takes it into account.

[Marques Brownlee]

CarPlay, however, does not.

[Mariah Zaki]

I think you've used your phone for two hours. Oh, man, I'm already wrong. Two hours and 27 minutes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, so I have to preface this with I have switched to the S24 Ultra. It does fun things. Fun things that punish you. And that means that when you plug in your phone, you can have it show little picture slideshows. How cute. When you plug it in overnight, it counts that as screen time.

[David Imel]

Really?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Did they test this?

Did they? And so I'll wake up and it'll say 10 hours of screen time. I'm like, that's crazy. I've been unconscious. And so today it decided that I have had five hours in nine minutes of screen time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Which means it didn't even show pictures all night long. So what's the point?

[David Imel]

I think we should. You should be a professional phone reviewer, Moran. You're actually finding the. The crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that was good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

This was a huge problem.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, that point goes to Marquez and David.

Sorry. This one for one, we were doomed from this version.

[David Imel]

We only need two more points. And we need two more points.

[Mariah Zaki]

Need to miss one question.

[David Imel]

It is not enough. Games over. It's not enough that.

[Marques Brownlee]

We just need to make one question.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, I know.

[Marques Brownlee]

In which case, we got a shot.

[David Imel]

Oh, my God.

[Marques Brownlee]

Game seven.

[Mariah Zaki]

Oh, I've been here before.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Game seven.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, it said on Sunday I had 11 and a half hours of screen time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And half of that's from the Google Photos.

[David Imel]

Oh, 11 and a half hours. That's a lot.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's wild. Okay, next question. For the tie or to pull away, how many unread emails are in your partner's main inbox right now?

[David Imel]

Marquez's. Yep.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, no, it's yours.

[David Imel]

It's mine.

[Mariah Zaki]

You're talking about, like personal.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, we just answered.

[Mariah Zaki]

Or work email.

[Marques Brownlee]

How many emails are in your inbox?

[David Imel]

My main email.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Main.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, exactly. Unread emails.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Because I know David has like the all inbox features.

[David Imel]

Can I look?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, you're supposed to look. Yeah.

[David Imel]

By main you mean my. Like my professional one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It just says main 99 plus it doesn't tell.

[David Imel]

Like main as in professional, not like my high school. I use for spam.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Right.

On desktop.

[David Imel]

Stop.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I think you can see the full number.

[Mariah Zaki]

I'm just going to go by the number that's on my iOS icon. Red.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Wait, should I do that too?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Sure.

[David Imel]

But that's also got my spam email in it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, fine. Screw it. Let's do that.

[David Imel]

Should we do it?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, why not?

[David Imel]

Do.

[Mariah Zaki]

Just do the number on your home screen.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Do it all right.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's really important. Is this Close. Is this.

[Ellis Hamburger]

We'll do delta with this one. We'll do delta. No, wait, that's going to be crazy. Okay, closest without going over. I don't want to do math. Yeah, closest without going over.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, close this without going over. I feel like you have commas in your number.

[Mariah Zaki]

Okay.

[David Imel]

Oh, man,

[Ellis Hamburger]

we're the worst.

[Marques Brownlee]

We are the worst.

[Mariah Zaki]

To be fair, I. I really try to. To make this better every week and it never gets better.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It doesn't matter. It compounds.

[Mariah Zaki]

It does. It's okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right. I.

These numbers are terrible. They're gonna be atrocious. Is this like your oldest email you've.

[David Imel]

This is like the Gmail icon on your home screen. So it accounts for all of your emails?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, it like compounds all of them?

[David Imel]

I think so, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, this number is in the thousands. This is thousands of emails.

[Mariah Zaki]

I can't speak. I'm not gonna make any faces. I just want you to dig deep into your heart and give me the perfect number.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Mariah, I think this has to be.

[Mariah Zaki]

But don't go over.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, at least I'm going to say a round number. 10,000.

Okay, 10,000.

[Mariah Zaki]

Mariah, go to dance.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Whoa, crap. What's the answer?

[Mariah Zaki]

The answer is 1097.

[David Imel]

That's so good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

How many emails like accounts do you have?

[Mariah Zaki]

I have four.

[Marques Brownlee]

Disturbing.

[David Imel]

This is closest with going ever been.

[Marques Brownlee]

I. Yeah, I have to get within 97 of your number without going over

[Mariah Zaki]

or the game is over.

[Ellis Hamburger]

No pressure. Marques, this is.

[Mariah Zaki]

You're. We're asking you to make a double coverage logo. Three. It's Dame time.

[Marques Brownlee]

And David's without question a ridiculous number.

[Ellis Hamburger]

But how ridiculous?

It's more than that.

[Marques Brownlee]

If I had to guess, I do think so.

[Mariah Zaki]

They did sit next to each other for a long time.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's for sure a comma in there. David asked about. Oh, true, the icon and the spam email and having all kinds of other stuff. So I'm going with like a almost an Olivia like number here. I think you have like, let's go 34,006.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Can it go that high?

We're about to find out.

[David Imel]

No, I have 11,927.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That means Mariah and Ellis win the game.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well played.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wow, that was.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's an incredible snipe. 10,000 emails. That was really good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That was crazy.

It feels appropriate.

[David Imel]

You know how they say if you have 10,000 hours in something, you're a master? Ellis is a master.

[Marques Brownlee]

How many unread emails do you think

[David Imel]

I have right Now, I don't know, like one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I was.

[David Imel]

I was excited to guess for you

[Ellis Hamburger]

because I know the answer.

[David Imel]

It's probably 1 or 2.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's 0.

[Marques Brownlee]

During it. It'll be how many I got during

[David Imel]

the podcast wearing it during the podcast.

[Ellis Hamburger]

18.

[Marques Brownlee]

As we've said here, if I got

[David Imel]

to guess for Marquez, it would have been incredible. We would have gotten the point. But yeah, there's really no. No knowing how many.

[Marques Brownlee]

Thirteen.

[David Imel]

Give it time.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Thirteen.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a lying for the past sitting here. Yeah, that's crazy.

[David Imel]

Not bad.

[Mariah Zaki]

All right, well, we're going to take it to ad break while Mariah and I high five a few times and then we'll be back.

[David Imel]

But we got to do trivia questions.

[Mariah Zaki]

Oh, my God, I forgot.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah. Do we do them from here?

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, because I have my question memorized. Because I'm a freaking.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Because he's a boss.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hit us with a trivia question.

[David Imel]

I love that.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That might be my favorite one.

[Mariah Zaki]

That's so good, guys.

[David Imel]

Yeah,

[Mariah Zaki]

guys.

[David Imel]

Yep.

[Mariah Zaki]

We're all excited for the pixelbook Glow because it has lights on the outside.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's right.

[Mariah Zaki]

But I don't know if you remember back in the day, MacBook also had some lights on the outside.

[David Imel]

Talked about it last week.

[Mariah Zaki]

Real dorks will remember from the light on the outside of the MacBook that glow in logo was not actually a dedicated component. What component already present in the laptop was used to illuminate the logo?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, it's a good trivia question.

[Mariah Zaki]

Thank you.

[David Imel]

Cool.

[Mariah Zaki]

Grok, context, please. Oh, Mariah, you will be answering for Andrew. Yes. This week.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I'm so sorry, Andrew.

[Mariah Zaki]

What's it called in the Hunger Games when they're like tribute? Is that. No. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. When I was your champion. You are Andrew's champion. How did I get the Hunger Games in Dune Vibe? Hit the boo button.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, the answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

[David Imel]

Foreign.

[Ellis Hamburger]

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[Ellis Hamburger]

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[Mariah Zaki]

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[Ellis Hamburger]

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[David Imel]

Welcome back. There's a post on our subreddit that I want to address.

[Ellis Hamburger]

No, David, it says.

[David Imel]

Okay. There's a post that says, which people do you think hate each other on Waveform? We all love each other, guys. Yeah, it's not like that. Like, I. Like. The post said that Ellis and I hate each other. Which is crazy. Yeah. Because I would. We would kiss in the Vision Pro if we could. David and I only have one.

[Mariah Zaki]

Literally every Wednesday, David and I get Chinese food for breakfast together and drive to work.

[David Imel]

It's.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's not like that.

[David Imel]

Shut up. So I just wanted to say that everyone here loves each other deeply.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's good.

[David Imel]

That's very good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, my God.

[David Imel]

Exactly.

[Mariah Zaki]

Adam loves that new button so much.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So good.

[Marques Brownlee]

You got to chill with that button.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So, yeah, there wasn't a lot of news this week.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yes. But people did tag me in something that I had no idea what was going on. And I was like, what are you talking about? And then I figured that I would ask David here on the pod, because I have him here in the pod to talk about your picture going viral.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I saw your tweet. Okay, well, okay, I did Twitter and threads.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I first saw it, quote, tweeted on Twitter, so someone else tweeted it on my timeline. And then I saw that I'd clicked in and it had like 10,000 retweets or something.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then I saw. I opened up threads and I saw it on threads too. From you this time. And it had, I think 8,000 likes on threads.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's a certified banger. What is the post.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

And what happened?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Described it. And where were you?

[David Imel]

I just want to ask, do you guys know what a visual metaphor is?

[Ellis Hamburger]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

No, not on the Internet. Those don't exist.

[David Imel]

Can you describe a visual metaphor, Marques?

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, a simile is when you compare things using the Word like. And the metaphor is when you compare things without using the word like, wow. So instead of saying this car is like a boat, I would say this car is a boat. Anyway, a visual metaphor is comparing things with visually without using any. This is kind of like this language. Yeah.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is that what your post was?

[David Imel]

Okay, so I just want to give you some. Yes. Okay. So sick. Last Saturday I walked 29,000 steps because it was a really nice day.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Weird flex, but okay.

[David Imel]

Just gotta let you know I respect it. I'm still in pain. So anyway, I got to my destination, but I overshot it by a little bit. There was a little park there, so I sat in the park and it's classic New York. Beautiful like late afternoon sun setting park in New York. There are these chess tables where there are tables that have like the chessboard, like embedded in the stone table, you know, iconic New York situation. Right. And I was sitting there and I saw this guy sitting on his chess tables with his laptop like in his lap playing chess on like a Chess. Chess.com website. Yeah, Chess.com like on the chess table with no one across from him. And I was just like, visual metaphor, right?

[Ellis Hamburger]

This is the photographer's eye. You've trained for years.

[David Imel]

So I use my iPhone. Air at 6x zoom from very far away. Looks really bad, but it's what I had on me. And I took a photo, I made

[Ellis Hamburger]

sure to like David. You know what they say about the camera you have on you?

[David Imel]

It's the worst. It's the worst. You know, I made sure to crop out any identifying features about him. I only had like his hands with the laptop so you could see the screen that was the chess app or the chess website with the chessboard. And I made sure to shoot it from high enough down so you could see the. The chessboard, the. On the table. Anyway, I was just like, I just put it on social media. I said 20, 26. Yeah, because it represents, it's a visual metaphor because it represents the fact that we are no longer playing things in front of each other. Doing connection in front of each other. Now everything you do is online and you're connecting with strangers that you don't really know. Right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Metaphors hit a lot harder when you explain them.

[David Imel]

I mean, apparently I have to. This is what. Okay, this is what.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What's the beef?

[David Imel]

Most of their quote tweets and the replies and everything were just like, well, who is he supposed to play with? There was no one on the other side. I was like, yes, that is the entire Point.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. That's what makes it a good show.

[David Imel]

And there were people that were like, don't judge. Don't judge strangers. And I was like, I'm not judging him.

[Ellis Hamburger]

They're judging them.

[David Imel]

It's a visual metaphor for our society.

[Mariah Zaki]

Your caption was 2026.

[David Imel]

That's all the caption.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's clearly saying, like, this picture represents this year.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I do see how this could be threads. Rage, bait. I'm not gonna lie.

Ooh, talk about it, Mariah. Rage, bait. Talk about it.

Threads that are just kind of like, look at this thing.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but I didn't say, look at this guy. What a loser, playing chess by himself.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's something generic enough, it hits a mainstream audience, and then there's no. Nothing to guide the interpretation. So it's just open to what anyone thinks of the picture.

[David Imel]

The problem with all algorithmic social media.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You disagree.

[David Imel]

Sorry. No, I want your take. I want to take.

[Mariah Zaki]

Well, no, I disagree with Mariah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh.

[Mariah Zaki]

I think. I think, man. I don't want to insult people.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Look at these comments. It's almost as if he needs another person to play chess. Yes.

[Ellis Hamburger]

They're taking a literal interpretation of it, and they're not understanding the visual metaphor.

[Mariah Zaki]

I think this screams that we talk about media literacy being in crisis. To me, this is like a slam dunk of media literacy.

[David Imel]

It could.

[Mariah Zaki]

It's like the. If we lost the ability to process, like, symbolism.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

What?

[David Imel]

Like social media just flattens everything, which,

[Ellis Hamburger]

to Mariah's point, is the mainstream. Like, once it hits that mainstream audience, you lose all that.

[Marques Brownlee]

You lose a nuance.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And you get, like, Karen from Ohio.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, I think, yeah, that's the other person.

[Mariah Zaki]

But that's. That's a problem.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

That's like.

[David Imel]

It's, like a big problem.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's why it was such a beautiful post. And thank you for people tagging me, telling me to talk about it.

Yeah. It seems like it started a conversation, good or bad, So I think that's probably the most interesting part.

[David Imel]

Well, yeah, it hit the Twitter number one what's Happening Today thing. Someone sent me a screenshot of that. You know what's super funny, too, is the amount of people that, like, acquaintances that I have that sent me, like, meme compilation pages that just stole the post and, like, removed my name.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So I was gonna say that's how I fucking first saw the picture, was someone just posted your picture.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

And, like, had a caption like, this is what's wrong with 20? And I was like, okay, scroll right by, whatever. And then I saw yours and I was like, wait a second. Yeah, this is David's picture.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So he tweeted this six years ago.

[David Imel]

Now I know what it feels. Yeah, exactly. Now I know what it feels like to have someone just rip your content and make put it on meme pages and stuff. But I've had a ton of people send me like various meme pages that just. It's like, whatever.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't know. Marquez has no experience with that.

[David Imel]

Not at all.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was gonna say welcome to the life cycle of a viral social media post. It will be stripped of its context and redigested by every other commentator in their own angle. And there's nothing you can do about it. The thing about social media that I think sometimes is interesting. Okay, I had a conversation, this is an off camera, off kilter, random conversation I had with a YouTube engineer about features that they could add or not add to YouTube.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

And they told me in a few words that they tend to be pretty minimal with the features that they add or don't add. And algorithmically they could make big changes, but they tend not to. And they let people's algorithms reflect them. Like they could choose to push certain things or even remove certain things from the algorithm because it would be better for society in their own judgment. But the second you make a judgment and influence it, then slippery slope, you. You have to judge a whole bunch of other things.

[David Imel]

There's also all the section 230 problems that come along with that.

[Marques Brownlee]

So his, his basic stance was like, YouTube is like a. It's so dense with media and so many people and so much stuff that it's kind of just like a mirror of society and all the good and all the bad. And when a post goes viral, it's like unnaturally exposing your art to the whole world. Usually it doesn't work that way. Usually you expose it to the audience it's designed for and that's it. But on social media, you can sometimes expose it to the entire world, which comes with all of the interesting positive interpretations. And then all of the random people who were never meant to see this, who have all sorts of nonsensical things to say about it.

[David Imel]

And.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah, well, it's kind of a bummer

[David Imel]

when there's even like when it's stripped of. There's even. There's things like cultural context, right? Like when you're shown to the Entire world on a platform. Yeah. All of the context is just like you're going to be shown to people who just do not understand what you're trying to say or like, what your

[Marques Brownlee]

target demographic is no longer the only audience of that.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So I don't know. I don't even care about the, you know, the meme pages, stealing it and stuff. I just thought it funny that like multiple of people that I know sent it to me. But it's more. I was more frustrated by like 80% of the replies and quote tweets. Just like a lot of them, I think they did understand the visual metaphor, but they were rage baiting by, quote, tweeting and being like, what a dumbass. I just.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's also how people get likes themselves.

[David Imel]

I know.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Hop onto the thing that's.

[David Imel]

There's a guy that quote tweeted me and he was very nice. He said, this photo deserves a Pulitzer.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Ooh.

[Marques Brownlee]

And his.

[David Imel]

His quote tweet got like almost as many likes as the post. And then I saw him post later, like, wow, my posted numbers was like, you didn't make a post. You just quote tweeted my post. Like, what the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

What is social media anymore? It's like, it's just like big competition.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's hard because it makes me kind of not want to engage and interact on platforms.

[David Imel]

I've been thinking about this so much for the last couple of years. Like, I'm less and less inclined to say anything on social media anymore because it feels like the incentive structures are all leaning towards people having opposing opinions to you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Most inflammatory possible response will be rewarded the most.

[David Imel]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so, like, having any opinion or posting anything, people are just going to come for you. And it's like, why am I even putting this out into the world if I'm just inviting people to scream at me?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I'm going to clip that. Put it on TikTok.

[Marques Brownlee]

Good.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Then I'm going to repost it after you do that.

[David Imel]

We live in the clip economy now, baby. Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So anyway, David, thank you for explaining that to me because I had no idea what they were talking about, so they tagged me in it.

Thank you for your service.

Thank you for your service to the world.

[David Imel]

You're welcome.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It deserves a Pulitzer. All right, on to trivia.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is my new trivia starting gesture.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's also the.

The timeout gesture.

[Marques Brownlee]

Making a T with technical foul.

[Mariah Zaki]

I was going to say, like, I just feel like you're giving me a

[Marques Brownlee]

tech Ellis trivia tech.

[David Imel]

If you can call It a tech. You should be able to call it a trip. Just saying.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Got him.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah, I like it. I'm on board with this trip. Whole situation. This whole trip situation. All right, question number one. Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. This is Mariah's first time hearing this question, so you have to answer for Andrew.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

What was the size of the screen closest? Without going over

which device?

The Chromebook Pixel that came out in 2013. It was a laptop. A Chromebook.

[Mariah Zaki]

I wasn't born yet.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Yeah. Ellis only came on Live in 2014.

[David Imel]

That wasn't the one with the light bars, was it?

[Ellis Hamburger]

It was.

[David Imel]

Oh, shoot. I didn't have that one. I had the one that folded in half. That, like, folded over itself. The Pixel book. I had the Pixelbook.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, yeah. Chromebook Pixels.

[David Imel]

OG Yep. The CR48.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was OG one of them.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't know.

[David Imel]

Oh, but he's talking about the first premium one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was matte black, unbranded, with a light bar.

[David Imel]

It was sick. Had a light bar.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or maybe not a light bar.

[David Imel]

I think the primo. And had the light bar.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, flip them and read. What do we got?

[David Imel]

You have a resolution all over the place.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right, who wants to go first?

[David Imel]

I wrote 12 inches.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. I said 14.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I was thinking Chromebook size, so I said like 10.

All right, the winner.

[David Imel]

Wait, what about Ellis?

[Ellis Hamburger]

No, Ellis is what about it?

[David Imel]

Oh, right, right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I was just thinking about you, you know, as always.

[David Imel]

Because I. Because I love you.

[Mariah Zaki]

I love you, too.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Okay, I'm teeing you up.

[Marques Brownlee]

I thought it was.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Oh, no. That can't happen when it's supposed to. It's funnier out of context.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm afraid that it's between 12 and 14.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Wait, so what size is?

Is.

[David Imel]

Come on, baby.

[Ellis Hamburger]

14.2, 12.2, 12.85.

No.

[David Imel]

Let's go.

[Ellis Hamburger]

David gets the point.

[David Imel]

Let's go.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. For our laptops. Used to be smaller.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Little babies. All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Accounted for inflation there.

[David Imel]

Netbooks. The Asus Eee PC. I had one of those.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[David Imel]

So good.

[Mariah Zaki]

I can't believe. You know, I put that button in there. I was like, I don't think we're using that.

[David Imel]

That was so good. All right, guys,

[Mariah Zaki]

what made the logo on the back of the old MacBook Pros glow?

[Ellis Hamburger]

Close this.

[David Imel]

Without going over the CPU.

[Mariah Zaki]

The CPU?

[David Imel]

Technically, it powered it.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Who's to say, really? What does anything in the computer. God and Andrew come back.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's all computer.

[David Imel]

Everything's Computer.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Name a part of it.

[David Imel]

Everything's computer. It's beautiful.

[Ellis Hamburger]

All right. I also don't know the answer to this, so I'm going to wait. Yeah, I'm going to wait on it.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is one of those perfectly structured trivia questions where I don't know the answer, but because of the way it's formatted, I learned the answer and I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[Mariah Zaki]

Cool. All right, Cool. I thought this would be more of a layup.

[Ellis Hamburger]

I have a guess, I just don't know.

[Mariah Zaki]

Yeah, let's see it.

[David Imel]

David, you put, I wrote the lcd.

[Marques Brownlee]

Marquez, you put the LCD backlight.

[Mariah Zaki]

Right.

[Ellis Hamburger]

You put display, but I meant also LCD or God.

[Mariah Zaki]

I need a concept.

[David Imel]

Display or God. I think LCD the way.

[Mariah Zaki]

So the way, the way an LCD screen works for those who don't know is you have these, these, I believe they're light emitting diodes. No lcd. So you have these, you have these like liquid crystal. I think they're based on like quartz, these structures. And they, they can twist. Right. When you run current through them, they have the ability to twist. And when they twist certain ways they can block light. When they twist other ways, they don't block light.

[David Imel]

Liquid crystal.

[Mariah Zaki]

So what you do is you put a big light behind that called a backlight.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zaki]

And then the, each crystal will twist and untwist. And that's what, you know, blocks the light and creates different pixel color brightnesses, whatever. So the way that the glowing logo in Those old metal MacBook pros, if you're ancient and remember what they do is they just cut out the aluminum so that the backlight shone through. So should we give everyone the point or just Marques? Cause Marques is the only one that put backlight.

[David Imel]

But I feel like it's like I'm the only one. Backlight.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, I meant in jeopardy. They would have said, can you be more specific?

[David Imel]

And I would have said backlight. Well, if they asked me to be more specific, I would have said backlight.

[Marques Brownlee]

I hope you would have said, okay,

[Mariah Zaki]

well next time I'm going to say can you be more specific? But I think we should award three points

[Ellis Hamburger]

so they all get the point.

[David Imel]

Thank you, God.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Thank you.

Good luck, Andrew.

[David Imel]

Good luck out there.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm sorry, I can't believe this. I feel like I'm the only one who should be getting a point.

[Mariah Zaki]

Normally I am that strict, but I don't know, I'm feeling kind of good today. Maybe I'm trying to put.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I said that was a good question, because as you said, the logo is not its own component. I said, oh, I had no idea. And he said, which part of the PC illuminated it? So I had to deduce that the only reasonable answer is they used the backside of the backlight.

[Mariah Zaki]

Exactly. It was one of those really clever Apple decisions where they discovered if we just cut the aluminum like this, it'll glow because of the backlight until you're using it outdoors in a room, really bright area. And then there's a part of your screen of lower contrast in the shape of the Apple logo in the center. Cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[David Imel]

Sweet.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, comment section, Let me know if you disagree with that ruling.

[Mariah Zaki]

Let me know if liquid crystals are not actually based on Quartz.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Can somebody tell me what happens inside of a computer?

[Marques Brownlee]

And that's our next step is. Thanks for watching. Thank you for listening and for tuning in this week. And of course, when all the news happens on Thursday, we'll be here next week to talk about it as well. Catch you guys later. Peace.

[David Imel]

Goodbye.

[Ellis Hamburger]

Peace.

[David Imel]

Six and seven Waypoint, produced by Adam Malia and Ellis Revan. And this week, Mariah Zake. We are Potter, the Vox Media podcast network. And our intro outro music is produced by Vayne Siddle.

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's the Waveform Bros. Whose voice is that?

[David Imel]

It's yours.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was like, that sounded like me. Did I say that?

[Ellis Hamburger]

It's you.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't remember saying that.

[Mariah Zaki]

Remember why you said that?

[Ellis Hamburger]

I don't remember. Find a context either.

[David Imel]

We got to use that as like an intro jingle or like an outro jingle for every episode.

[Ellis Hamburger]

So good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Chrome ran on four gigs of RAM back in the day.

[Ellis Hamburger]

That's crazy.