Are These Apple’s Next Products?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: Are These Apple’s Next Products?
Date: May 1, 2026
Host: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), with David, Ellis, Adam, and Mariah

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Waveform crew dives deep into the swirling rumors about Apple’s next big hardware moves, debates the meaning of “Ultra” in the Apple ecosystem, breaks down recent AI-driven feature leaks, and dissects both Apple’s and Samsung's upcoming product categories—from AI AirPods and smart glasses to security cameras and quirky, wearable pendants. They also touch on something potentially seismic: OpenAI’s rumored foray into the smartphone world. Along the way, the hosts riff on sports, user experience gripes, and the pros and cons of tech’s relentless push into our daily habits.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Apple “Ultra” Branding and Event Rumors

[02:38–08:00]

• Apple CEO Transition:

  • John Ternus is now set to headline Apple's September event, largely due to his leadership on the rumored foldable "iPhone Ultra." Previously, Tim Cook would do the introduction and hand-offs.
  • “Turnus doing the introing and then the people who are alleged.” (Marques, 04:06)

• iPhone Ultra:

  • Expected to be Apple’s first foldable. Price predictions range from $2,000 to $2,500+.
  • “A brand new $2,700 iPhone Ultra seems like it's going to get a lot of attention.” – Marques [05:05]

• What does “Ultra” mean at Apple?:

  • Group debates if “Ultra” should imply ruggedness (like Apple Watch Ultra), maximum specs, or both.
  • “In Apple land, what does Ultra mean? Ultra would be...” (Marques, 03:51)

• Leadership optics:

  • The team riffs on how Apple might present this handover theatrically—are the Cook and Ternus duo about to go full Keynote musical?
  • "I'd be here for it." – David, about a humorous Apple event handoff [07:42]

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2. AI-Driven Photo Features Coming to iOS

[12:07–17:38]

• Apple is rumored to be adding new AI photo tools in iOS 27:

  • Extend: Apple's take on Photoshop’s “Generative Expand,” automatically expanding image borders.
  • Enhance: Auto photo tweaks for color/lighting.
  • Reframe: Wildest feature—change a Spatial photo’s perspective after taking it.
    • “My question is like, how much can you change the perspective?” – David [13:25]
  • The group wonders: will Apple allow wild generative edits or play its typical “protect reality” philosophy?

• Ethical Line between Apple & Google:

  • Apple’s product philosophy generally prioritizes authenticity; Google leans into “let it fly, baby.”
  • “Apple’s a little bit more like, we want to make cool tools, but we don’t want to make anything that you could potentially do anything...nefarious with.” – Ellis [17:11]

3. Real-World Photo Edits & AI: User Stories, Skepticism

[18:05–21:45]

• Ellis’ subway story:

  • Young kids adapt to photo-AI faster than adults—one fixes a badly-lit photo on a Pixel while the dad is mind-blown.
    • “Not only are people using these features, but children are very aware of how capable you are.” – Ellis [19:37]

• Skepticism about AI fixing faces:

  • “If it does it in the wrong way, it just like completely ruins the memory.” – Adam [20:18]
  • More training data can enhance results, but increases privacy risks.

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4. Mark Gurman’s List: Apple’s Six Secret Product Categories

[21:45–37:37] (Breakdown and rapid-fire opinions for each concept)

a. AI AirPods (with Cameras? Sensors?)

• “AI AirPods is adding sensors and more compute…almost a little more standalone.” – Marques [22:44]
• Privacy concerns: Would anyone want a camera in their ear? Apple’s privacy reputation comes into debate.

b. Smart Glasses (with/without displays)

• Expected, but hardware rigidity is a challenge if display-based.
• “If we learned one thing from talking to the meta glasses engineers, it's that bendy smart glasses with displays are not good.” – Ellis [29:57]

c. Smart Display/HomePad

• Apple home hub with a screen seems “so obvious” but still doesn’t exist.
• "Why haven't they done this yet?" – Marques [30:40]

d. Tabletop Robot (iPad on an Arm, Pixar Lamp-like)

• Recalls Apple’s animatronic-lamp research—could this be its culmination?
• “They built a smart lamp...and they did all of this testing to see what kind of moves does this robot lamp need to make to make people like it?” – Ellis [31:41]

e. AI Pendant/Necklace

• Wearability and fashion vs. privacy/functionality.
• “What cognition are you willing to offload? And I’m not sure context is the kind of cognition I want to offload.” – Ellis [37:37]

f. Apple Security Camera

• Demand for Apple-encrypted, secure cameras is high given Ring’s privacy issues.
• “I would hope that we get the Apple encryption treatment on the Apple camera.” – Ellis [40:42]

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5. Samsung’s Galaxy Glasses – Meta/Ray-Ban Competitor

[46:41–53:17]

• Dual-camera “Galaxy Glasses” leaks: No display initially, but two cameras and AI features, competitive pricing ($379–$499).
• Uses for dual cameras: Stereoscopic video, depth perception for VR/AR ecosystems.
• “If you’re wearing glasses and recording your daughter at her birthday party, I’m gonna make fun of you.” – Adam [51:24]
• Social hurdles for wearable cameras remain high, with many seeing these as “training data” harvesters for companies.

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6. Rapid Fire Tech News & Reactions

Spotify Premium now includes Peloton classes

[53:42–57:19]

• Only “hardware-free” classes, e.g., yoga, pilates.
• “Spotify should not be a fitness company.” – David [57:33]

Google Photos “AI Try On” for clothes you already own

[58:27–64:45]

• Allows users to mix and match items virtually.
• Skepticism about accuracy: “Clothes drape over your body in a way that an AI just cannot predict…” – Ellis [58:39]
• But some excitement for “Clueless”-style digital wardrobes.

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7. OpenAI’s Rumored Smartphone—A New Challenger?

[66:13–73:49]

• Rumors: OpenAI is co-designing a phone with Luxshare, late talks with Qualcomm/MediaTek, targeted for 2027.
• The group’s take: Is there any real user value? Or is this a (massive) play to accumulate contextual data and catch up to Apple & Google?
• “If you believe in this future...you have to launch a version of it before it’s ready to have early adopters start to help you make it better and train it.” – Marques [69:48]
• Skeptical about mass appeal: “When I think of an open AI phone, I think of the crypto phone, the Solana phone, saga. They’re all...real, but like, no one has them.” – Mariah [72:10]

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8. Threads Live Chats: New Social Features for Events

[78:59–83:12]

• Threads adds “live chats” for events—potentially a way to live blog during tech releases or sports games.
• Could be powerful for organizing live, shared experiences around tech keynotes.

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9. Google’s Massive Icon Redesign for Gemini Era

[83:13–86:57]

• All Google apps now thoroughly “on-brand” with gradient Gemini iconography.
• Previous icons were too similar; new system brings clarity.
• Bonus: Google Keep is alive and has a new icon, so is Google Sites (for now).

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10. YouTube TV Multiview—Multi-game, Multi-app Possibilities

[87:09–92:05]

• YouTube TV launches flexible multiview layouts (multiple games/channels at once).
• Lament: Why can’t YouTube proper do this?
  • “Just do it with YouTube, you cowards.” – Mariah [89:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Apple Event Leadership Change:
  “He’s the one that opens, starts passing it to other people. Previously it would be Tim Cook, right. He’s the CEO... Now it’ll be Turnus doing the introing.” – Marques [04:06]

• On Apple’s Price Psychology:
  “He got on stage and he was like, and the stand will be $999. And everyone went, oh. And he just moved on. That was getting jumped in, man.” – Marques [06:21]

• AI Feature Ethics:
  “We don't do that [generative AI images] intentionally because we try to keep the original thesis of capturing a moment that actually happened.” – Marques [16:25]

• Children as AI Natives:
  “Not only are people using these features, but children are very aware of how capable you are.” – Ellis [19:37]

• On AI Privacy Trust:
  “Anytime Apple is going to have a camera that is always pointed at people... people are gonna feel nervous.” – David [26:25]

• On “AI Offloading Cognition”:
  “As soon as you don the pendant and you begin not being as aware because you can sort of just be like, oh, the pendant will remember that... your short term memory is just gone.” – Ellis [39:25]

• Wearing Tech = Feeding the AI:
  "All these companies... are just trying to get training data, and they're like, oh, we'll give you some cute glasses in exchange for you being our little lab rat." – Ellis [53:16]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:38] “Ultra” branding at Apple & foldable iPhone event rumors
• [12:07] iOS AI photo editing features leak (Extend, Enhance, Reframe)
• [18:05] Real-world story of AI photo edits (Pixel on the subway)
• [21:45] Mark Gurman’s Six categories of secret Apple products
• [34:06] Apple AI pendant/neclace – how much memory do we offload to AI?
• [40:42] Apple security cameras and HomeKit ecosystem expansion
• [46:41] Samsung’s leaked Galaxy AI Glasses details and debate
• [53:42] Spotify Premium adds Peloton classes
• [58:27] Google Photos “AI Try On” for clothes you own
• [66:13] OpenAI’s rumored iPhone competitor
• [78:59] Threads launches live chats for events
• [83:13] Google’s massive Gemini icon redesign
• [87:09] YouTube TV multiview and the call for YouTube multitasking

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Conversational, playful, tech-nerd banter with plenty of jokes, self-deprecation (“I got you, bro!”), and story-telling.
• Candid debate on privacy, user experience, and AI’s creep into human skills (“What cognition do you want to offload?”).
• Sports metaphors and rivalries keeping tech talk personal and light.
• Quick, nerdy asides on product history, Apple naming conventions, and design ethics.

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Final Thoughts

If you're a fan of MKBHD’s analytical yet chill style, this episode is a buffet of Apple rumors, rapid-fire takes on the looming proliferation of AI-infused hardware, and spicy debate on the ethics—and quirks—of future tech. The team’s skepticism of OpenAI’s phone idea, playful roasting of wearables, and ever-present attention to user privacy gives depth to the wild rumor cycle swirling around 2026’s product pipelines.

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For an in-depth look at the tech world’s near future—and some laugh-out-loud analogies along the way—this episode delivers.

Transcript

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Or middle. Actually, that was middle school.

[Marques]

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[David]

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[Marques]

I thought that was later than that

[David]

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[Ellis]

Wait, what did you think this song was called?

[Marques]

Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast.

[Adam]

We're your hosts.

[Marques]

I'm Marques.

[David]

I'm David.

[Ellis]

And I'm Ellis.

[Marques]

Ellis at the main table, Ellis at the big table. But then that means who?

[Ellis]

Woah. That's right. You guys asked for it. We delivered Mariah on the podcast.

[Mariah]

Hello.

[Marques]

They do be asking. In today's episode, we've got a bunch of classic waveform stuff we gotta talk about. Apple, Samsung, upcoming products. Things that we've gotten used to talking about a lot. Also, someone trying to beat Apple at their own game could be Very interesting.

[David]

It's true. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Not just someone. Well, I guess we'll get it.

[David]

We'll get to it.

[Marques]

We'll get there. You can't jump the gun too much.

[David]

Yeah. Okay, I got a quick update from last week. Cause remember when we were discussing whether or not John Ternus was going to take over either at wwdc, we knew that he was going to officially take over as CEO in September, but we didn't know if he was gonna headline WWDC or if he was gonna headline the iPhone event. But now Mark Gurman is reporting that Ternus will be headlining the September event specifically because he led the team that designed the foldable iPhone. So when they announced that also new story that came out yesterday, apparently it's going to be called the iPhone ultra.

[Marques]

I think that's interesting.

[Adam]

I don't believe it.

[Marques]

It makes sense.

[David]

I don't think it makes sense.

[Marques]

You don't? No, it's. It's the ultra iPhone, but it's probably

[David]

the least durable one.

[Marques]

Oh, so ultra should mean durable.

[David]

I mean, that's what the watch.

[Ellis]

That's what it means everywhere.

[Marques]

Oh, in Apple, we don't know that to be true. So I guess in Apple land, what does the word mean versus everywhere else? What does the word mean? Yeah, everywhere else. The word ultra on a flagship phone means the max specs, most features, biggest cameras, all that stuff.

[David]

Which is what the laptop's gonna mean too, when the MacBook Ultra comes out.

[Marques]

Not studio. You think it's gonna be MacBook Ultra?

[David]

That's what Gurman is reporting, that it will also be ultra.

[Marques]

So then in Apple land, what does ultra mean? Ultra would be.

[David]

I guess it's not durable anymore.

[Marques]

Mac Apple watch ultra is the only ultra, right?

[David]

Yep.

[Marques]

Right now, durable, also maxed out, or M3 Ultra. The chips are ultra, but that's just the chips. Yeah. Okay.

[David]

Are they durable chips?

[Marques]

That's a really good question.

[David]

They are rocks themselves.

[Marques]

I guess they're a silicon. Well, yeah. So, okay, it's gonna be the folding iPhone ultra, and he is gonna be the one sort of headlining. And what we mean by headlining is like he's the one that opens, starts passing it to other people. Previously it would be Tim Cook, right. He's the CEO. He goes, good morning. We have so much to share with you. Thanks for joining us. We have a lot to show you. I think you're gonna love it. Introducing the first person. Or he'll go, introducing iPhone, then fancy video. Then head of iPhone product will come out. And then it'll go back to Tim Cook and he'll go. We also have something great to show you with audio. And then they'll play a fancy video of AirPods and then the head of AirPods will come out. So now it'll be Turnus doing the introing and then the people who are alleged.

[David]

Yeah, it's hard to know. It's hard to know. I'm wondering if they do a one more thing with the Ultra, with the phone, the foldable iPhone. Because usually they save the best stuff for like the end of the keynote.

[Marques]

Totally.

[David]

And I'm wondering if this is a big enough thing for them that they're going to One more thing.

[Marques]

It. I think a brand new $2,700 iPhone Ultra seems like it's going to get a lot of attention.

[David]

You think it's going to be $27.

[Marques]

It's going to be so expensive. I mean, how. Okay, it'll be at least $2,000.

[David]

At least 2,000. I think it's gonna be 1999. 99.

[Marques]

That's as low as I'd be willing to go. I think the over under should be like 21.99. I could see that because I think I would take the over.

[David]

But if we're doing Price is Right rules, then I'm doing 1999.

[Marques]

Yeah, yeah. 1998.

[Adam]

Y' all are both crazy. There's no way.

[Marques]

No way it's that low, man.

[Adam]

This thing has to be more expensive.

[David]

Apple is no longer the most expensive, like the super most expensive company anymore. They sell a lot of cheaper stuff now. Yeah.

[Adam]

But they are also going to start selling more expensive stuff, like the fold.

[David]

I think they're going to be more

[Adam]

expensive like the Neo. They expanded down this one. They're just going to expand up the

[Marques]

oppo find N6, which is what I called peak foldable. It has that, like super awesome, almost creaseless display. Retails for roughly $2,300 U.S. that sounds right. With models in Australia and Asian markets.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I was going to say 23.99 is my guess.

[Marques]

That's. I could see 24.99. I can picture the $24.99 dropping onto the stage and everyone going, oh, shoot.

[David]

On 23.99.

[Marques]

I could also see that. Remember Turnus is the one who announced the $999 stand? Do you remember that? He got on stage and he was like, and the stage and the. And the stand will be $9.99. And everyone went, oh. And he just moved on. That was that was.

[Adam]

That was getting jumped in, man.

[David]

That's not a great track record so far. Yeah. I imagine at Dub Dub, they're going to do something where Tim Cook will intro it. Everyone will be like, oh, and then he'll be like. And I'm gonna move it over to John and then we're gonna go, oh, and that's gonna be cute.

[Marques]

They could both be on stage maybe.

[David]

That could be cool.

[Adam]

That's exactly what we said, right?

[Marques]

Cause Dub Dub, usually it's Craig on stage because he's the head of software.

[David]

Craig Federfrigi.

[Marques]

So it'll be like Tim Cook and Craig Federighi will get on stage and they'll intro the event. Tim will start, pass it to Craig, then play the video.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I still think it's. It's gonna. They're gonna incorporate some Apple product or service into the handoff announcement. Like, like, there's gonna be some video where, like, Tim Cook or like, like John Ternus is like, on his bed on his stomach with his feet kicking the air, and he's writing in his iPhone journal app, like, boy, I wish I could be CEO one day. And then like, like, like Airdrop.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Tim Cook, like, Airdrops in through the ceiling. And he's like, boy, do I have a surprise for you.

[Adam]

John Ternus, Tim Cook cosplaying as Tinkerbell.

[David]

Oh, I would love that.

[Marques]

I would love that.

[David]

They've done less crazy things. Yeah, I would be here for it.

[Ellis]

John Ternus in the kitchen preparing food, and Tim Cook shows up. He's like, this is your final cut before becoming CEO. Sorry, I like that. No, no, I also have an update from last week.

[Marques]

Go ahead.

[Ellis]

And that is Mariah hit the reverb. The Philadelphia 76ers are still in the NBA playoffs. That is right, everybody. We were down and then we were up. And we're still up three to two, one game behind, going right back to Boston. Boston. If anyone in Boston is listening to this, you're going down. And if you're listening to this on Friday, you will know we either lost on Thursday and I am in the streets of Brooklyn crying my eyes out, or we won on Thursday. And we're taking this to game six. Seven, baby. Also, Thursday's game is in Philadelphia, so I was wrong about that. But anyway, go Sixers. Sixers and seven. The dream is not dead. We did not get swept.

[Marques]

Marques, I'm impressed. I'm impressed that you didn't get swept.

[Ellis]

Thank you. Also, Joelle Embiid. Yo, are you serious right now?

[Marques]

That was Mariah.

[Ellis]

Oh, my God. Joel Embiid.

[Marques]

I.

[Ellis]

Capital L. Love you.

[David]

Oh,

[Marques]

does team do to get such loyalty? Dude, the 76ers, they haven't won, so it can't be.

[Mariah]

Are you okay?

[Ellis]

You know, I was hanging out on 76ers Twitter this weekend, and I do really feel strongly that much like art, sports reflect life. And there's something to be said about a sports team winning and wanting to win, because winning is, like, the point of sports. But the complete nonsense, chaos brand of basketball that the 76ers employ in both their front office and on the court, I think is actually really indicative of what it means to be alive in America right now and what it means to never give up and fight through everything that's coming at you. And, like, I. To me, it's like, I don't need the 76ers to be a championship team for them to be my favorite. It's. It's the fact that they've taken me on this wild ride and they'd never given up. And it's a bunch of goofy characters doing. Quentin Grimes was full court guarding Jayson Tatum for no reason, just to harass him.

[David]

You know what I mean?

[Marques]

I like that.

[Ellis]

It's sick. I love the 76ers. I love you, Joel Embiid.

[Adam]

Knicks fans will be excited either way.

[David]

Is Mike Bibby on that team?

[Marques]

Are they the Knicks in line to play the winner of that series?

[David]

No.

[Ellis]

They are.

[Adam]

I believe so.

[Marques]

Yes. Okay.

[Ellis]

Yeah. So the office is gonna be. Has the potential to be quite tense.

[Marques]

Yeah, we got a little bit of both. For those who are listening to audio only, first of all. What are you doing?

[David]

No, no, I'm sorry. I listen to audiobook.

[Marques]

Get to the video podcast. You can see Ellis is wearing Sixers

[Ellis]

hat again, and Adam is wearing a Knicks and.

[Marques]

Yeah. So the rivalry is in the room.

[David]

Are they playing each other at any time in the future?

[Ellis]

If the Sixers surmount these impossible odds,

[Adam]

then we will have the honor of kicking them out the playoffs.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Ad I will be. Will be beefing.

[Marques]

It's going to be good. It'll be good for the pot. I'm rooting for that.

[David]

So a normal day for you guys?

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

All right. Well, okay. We usually do. Did they even test this? I heard that you came with one.

[Ellis]

I did come with one. It's really quick. It's not that. It's. I. You know, I'm sure I'm not the only one who complained about this. It's that In Safari, the greatest browser ever invented. My latest gripe with Safari is that in order to, you know, find on page, the classic browser tool Control F. Control F. That is in the Share menu on Safari. What doesn't make any sense. You open the share menu. Oh, it's not there. You have to view more. And then it is the second to bottom option.

[David]

That's disgusting. You know where it is. You know it is where it is on Ark Mobile.

[Ellis]

Where is it?

[Marques]

All the rest of the settings.

[David]

Where it's freaking supposed to be. It's in all the settings and then boom. Find on page. It's a major, major pin. It's a major.

[Ellis]

It should be. It's literally one of the most useful things you can do in a browser.

[David]

It's literally the first major option. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

So just start using this dead product, Ellis.

[Ellis]

So did they even test this? Almost certainly. But I don't like the way you.

[David]

Yeah, they sometimes test things.

[Ellis]

Why not put it.

[David]

And they're just usually wrong.

[Marques]

Our browser is actually way better than Safari on mobile.

[David]

Yeah, it's really good.

[Marques]

It's just really good. I recommend it. King.

[David]

All right.

[Ellis]

Won't be me.

[David]

Well, we're going to get into the actual news this week. All right. I saw this story yesterday. Yes, thank you, Mariah.

[Mariah]

Hey, that was me.

[David]

I saw the story this week. There's actually a lot of Apple leaks going around this week. One of them being being that they are adding a bunch of new AI photo editing tools in iOS 27.

[Marques]

Interesting.

[David]

And two of them are pretty normal. One of them I was surprised about. So stay till the end to hear the most exciting one.

[Marques]

Great retention hack.

[David]

Thanks. So the first one is Extend, which is basically Generative Expand in Photoshop.

[Marques]

Okay. And we're getting there.

[David]

Also kind of surprised that Apple's doing this because they've had a harder stance in previous years on what is a photo. You know, they've, you know, they've added cleanup and people have felt weird about that. But it didn't really seem like they were going to go crazy on the photo editing stuff. But they're apparently adding Extend. Allegedly there's Enhance, which honestly just seems like a better auto mode. It says uses AI to automatically tweak color, lighting and other image parameters. But the one that seems crazy that Photoshop actually just added and I just don't know what the hell this is. It's called Reframe when used in Spatial with spatial photos. So if you have to take a spatial photo to get this to work, you can Change the perspective of the image after its capture.

[Marques]

See this? I've. Okay, I have a feeling this is gonna be bad.

[David]

So my, my question is like, how much can you change the perspective?

[Ellis]

Like, can you be like, make this a picture of the back of them?

[David]

Well, this is my. Well, so Photoshop can currently do that. Yeah, that's a feature that just came out. In Photoshop you can literally rotate any photo and it'll just generate what it should look like and then it create. But this one, I said people though.

[Adam]

I thought it was only objects. I could be wrong.

[David]

No, people too.

[Adam]

It is people too.

[Marques]

Oh yeah.

[David]

Okay, so my question for this, is it like because you're taking a spatial photo, it's using the wide sensor and the main sensor. Can you just change the perspective between that little parallax that you get between the wide and the main? Or is it like you can rotate it like flip fully?

[Ellis]

That was sort of my question about all of this is like, how much are they just going to diffusion transformer model their way to new information and how much are they going to be capturing metadata with the other two cameras or the other camera and then inputting that into a multi generator?

[Marques]

Right. Probably a little bit of both. If you always have the ultra wide frame going, then you can always have extra information about what's around, what you take a picture of with the primary camera. So maybe if they're smartly always capturing some of that information around the outside edge and then running it through a model and including that in a slight reframe, I could see that not being insane.

[David]

And that would allow the Generative expand to also use other things that were actually there.

[Marques]

Right.

[David]

Because the ISPs in these smartphones, they have like two or three now and they can just run all of the cameras all the time. So maybe they're just sampling from every sensor. And then if you use Generative Expand, it stores that metadata in a compressed format.

[Ellis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the iPhone camera system, excluding the single camera ones, kind of already do this, right? Like every photo you take is there's image data coming from the other lenses too.

[David]

Google first did that with like super res zoom. Yeah, yeah, And I think Apple does that now as well.

[Adam]

Didn't Google also do it like, I vaguely remember the original pixels.

[David]

It was the Pixel 3 3.

[Adam]

Okay. Yeah. Where it's like it's just always taking pictures and then when you press the button, like the shutter button, it just like saves that one.

[David]

Well, that's the Nexus. The Nexus xp, that's just hdr. That's just HDR in general.

[Marques]

Okay. But there's also like the live photo thing where it's always running a quick video in the background. And so if you take a photo and someone's eyes are closed or there's a funny thing happening in that moment, you can like watch the live photo and see the 3 second video of that moment.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So it's always. Yeah, it's always capturing something.

[David]

And if you do take a live photo, I suppose it has sort of like the micro jitter of your hand and so there's a little bit of a different perspective there. It can use that information.

[Adam]

Whoa.

[David]

So yeah, I mean the pixel already does that.

[Marques]

Yeah. And the pixel will. I think they also say they take the center of the frame and add information from the telephoto.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So like it makes sense. They're just like slowly pushing the limits of like what counts as part of the original photo.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

Okay.

[David]

I'm curious whether or not they like lean into the. We are still thinking about, you know, image. Like what is an actual image.

[Adam]

Yeah, no way. They already forgot about all that.

[David]

Apple didn't really.

[Marques]

You know, Apple, when I go to some of these briefings, I don't know how much I'm allowed to directly quote them. Actually I'm not allowed to directly quote them. But a lot of the sentiment, a lot of the sentiment is, you know, you see what those other companies are doing with these crazy AI generated adding things to photos. We don't do that intentionally because we try to keep the original thesis of capturing a moment that actually happened. And yes, you can erase people from the background, yes, you can tweak colors and lighting, but it's a capture of a moment that really happened. So I guess if you're changing the angle of capture, you're not changing what happened.

[David]

Right.

[Marques]

If you're changing, what is this extending? Maybe what's not originally in the frame, but it's from information that was really there.

[David]

Right.

[Marques]

You can keep that same philosophy without violating your thesis. Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

[David]

That makes sense.

[Ellis]

Apple's also like the least. A tool, is a tool, tool manufacturer of like the major tech companies. I mean like, like I do feel like a lot of companies are like, we're trying to build these tools and we're going to let people like, you know, do crazy, crazy things with them. And Apple's a little bit more like, we want to make cool tools, but we don't want to make anything that you could Potentially do anything evil with. Even if that. Or nefarious. I shouldn't say evil, but like nefari. Even if that means restricting our tools more than other manufacturers.

[Marques]

Yeah, true.

[David]

Whereas Google's just like, let it fly, baby.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Like, Google would, like, show things. You could literally remember that. You'd have the kid on the bench with the balloons and they just, like, slide them over on the bench and you're like, okay, now that's not a real thing.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Everyone watched that and went, oh. They all thought of three other things that they could change in their head that would be completely insane and not part of the original capture. So, yeah, that they walk that line in a very, very different place than Google does.

[David]

Alice, you had a story here.

[Ellis]

I did. So I was at game four of the Sixers this weekend.

[Marques]

Did they win that one?

[Ellis]

No, they did not. Spent $144 on the worst basketball game I've ever seen. Still love that Team six or the seven.

[David]

What happened to this podcast?

[Ellis]

I'm on the subway, I'm on the septa, going back to catch my bus back to New York. And kid and dad both in Celtics gear.

[David]

Just kidding.

[Ellis]

Jesus Christ. But they had taken a picture at the game, and they taken a picture at the game, and the kid and the dad, very stoked. Head to toe jerseys. And the dad's kind of bummed because there's, like, a weird shadow across his face and the photo's, like, kind of ruined. You know, it was the kind of thing where, like, a lot of people. Crowded area. Hey, can you take this picture? The only time for one snap, they get out of there, and the dad's like, damn, I really wanted to post this, but, like, you can't really. The shadow's really weir. You can't really see my face. This is, like, not a really good memory photo. And the kid's like, no, you can just edit it. He's on a pixel. And the dad's like, no, that's not how photo editing works. The kid's like nine, by the way. Like, clearly an elementary dad.

[Marques]

Just ask it to do it.

[Ellis]

Dad's like, no, no, no. Like, you can raise the brightness, but then it'll look really weird. And the kid's just like, give me your phone. And he does an. On the subway does like the. I don't know. I don't have a pixel, so I don't know what tool. But he does the AI photo enhance thing and, like, cleans up the face shadow like that. And the dad was just like, oh, what is this?

[David]

Black magic?

[Ellis]

What? It's like my phone. I was like, oh, wow. So like, not only are people using these features, but like children are like very aware of how capable you are.

[David]

If I showed some of this stuff to my dead grandma, like she would, her mind would be blown.

[Adam]

My grandmother recently passed away and we have a video of my father interviewing her many years ago about her life story. So I was going through that video to try to like clean it up because my dad used Windows. Some movie.

[Marques]

Like free trial.

[Adam]

Yeah. Windows Movie Maker, some free trial thing that has a giant watermark over it. So I spent like 100 something dollars on some weird AI video editing tool to like remove that watermark and it did. But there are parts where the watermark was over her face and it just like completely warped it into some like demonic looking thing.

[David]

Oh, geez.

[Adam]

So I am very skeptical about these tools with human faces in particular. Like, that's a real touchy area because if it does it in the wrong way, it just like completely ruins the memory.

[David]

Faces. I think that we're particularly attuned at noticing the patterns on what people's faces look like. So like, you know, if Marques gets generated on Gemini or whatever and it's like it looks 98% like Marques, but that's not quite Marques, dude.

[Ellis]

I.

[David]

You can always notice.

[Ellis]

You know, I spent so much time looking at Marques's face professionally that.

[Adam]

And personally respectfully.

[Ellis]

Respectfully know that when you get shot on unusual focal lengths, I'm like, like, like something's really. Not that you look bad, but it's just like, I'm so used to seeing you between 30 and 60 millimeters totally. That when I see you on a telephoto or I see you on an ultra wide, I'm like,

[Marques]

I do that to my. I look in a mirror and I look at like the swapped version and that looks weird to me still.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

Remember when Samsung, there was all that talk about how you could erase an object in front of your face and it would regenerate your face and it would actually look shockingly good. We did short about that. People on one hand hate that Samsung has to know a lot about your face to do that really good regeneration of your face. But on the other hand, it works the best for that particular use case.

[David]

I mean it's the whole, the more context you give it, the better it's gonna be. But that means you have to give it more of your information and data,

[Marques]

more of your life.

[David]

That's how it goes?

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Okay. There's another Mark Gurman leak that Apple is working on. So he went on TVPN, which, if people don't know, it's OpenAI's propaganda outlet.

[Marques]

Oh, hit the air horn.

[Ellis]

Hit the air horn. That was fire.

[Mariah]

Where is it?

[Ellis]

It's the.

[David]

There we go. Thanks, Alice. He went over six different new product categories that Apple is allegedly working on. Let's talk about it. I want us to talk about each of these.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

All right, number one, AI AirPods.

[Marques]

Here we go.

[Adam]

Why?

[Mariah]

What is that?

[David]

I don't know.

[Marques]

I can tell you There is some AI in AirPods already, but what this means is something actually a little more insane. Right. This is the cameras and the AirPods, right.

[David]

Probably.

[Ellis]

Oh, this is like the Humane Aipods.

[Marques]

So right now AirPods can do live translate type stuff with AI, because they've always called it machine learning and neural nets and stuff like with active noise cancellation, transparency mode and all the, like, stuff that they do with processing with the compute on AirPods.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

But AI AirPods is adding sensors and more compute to these things to make them, like, almost a little more standalone of like an AI thing. Totally. I don't know how I feel about that.

[David]

Yeah. I don't want cameras on my earbuds.

[Marques]

Yeah. I will say, I think we should preface this by saying these are all things that they could be working on, not necessarily guaranteed upcoming products, for sure. There is for sure tons of crap, crazy, unannounced, unreleased products underground in Apple park, somewhere that will never see the light of day. This could be six of those, but they're at least thinking about it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So, yeah, AI AirPods.

[David]

Do you have any thoughts, Ellis?

[Ellis]

My thought. I have two thoughts, and they're actually in direct contradiction with one another, which is argue with yourself. If it's a camera, what is this style AI product that just happened as a headphones in? I feel like they will almost definitely release like a necklace pendant.

[David]

Well, that's later on the list. Oh. So we'll talk about that in a bit.

[Marques]

Well, the one. So the thing that these are closest actually to in terms of functionality would be like the meta glasses.

[Ellis]

So that was my other point, which is, like, as much as I would love to see these as a pendant, just because I think Apple is generally really good at wearables, I also think, like, this is personal opinion time. I think the meta glasses are, like, possibly the worst idea of a product in the last 10 years. And so it's just like, I would hate for Apple to get in on the always on camera privacy nightmare. We don't care about you train.

[Marques]

So here's where I'll push back a little bit.

[Ellis]

Please.

[Marques]

All the stuff we've heard about Meta has a lot to do with privacy and how the data's been treated. And the one thing that Apple has always been on the, I'd say correct side of the line is how they treat your data, which is most of it never leaving the device. Most of it being treated very securely.

[Ellis]

Yeah. If it does leave the device, it's encrypted to all hell.

[Marques]

Right. So if they can offer the same functionality that Meta is with the glasses,

[Ellis]

that's a great point.

[Marques]

Which is potentially being able to ask something about what you're standing in front of. I'm standing in front of this monument, but I'm hard of hearing. I don't have great eyesight, but tell me what I'm about to be looking at. Stuff like that could, without having glasses on, could give you the same functionality and deliver it directly into your ears.

[David]

It is true. The fact that you need to be wearing these glasses in order to get the contextual information is pretty annoying. And at least in Brooklyn, if you are walking down the street, you are wearing headphones.

[Marques]

And the one thing Apple has been incredibly good at for a long time is introducing a new thing for you to use. Wear that looks kind of silly at first and then it's everywhere and everyone's used to it. You know, when AirPods first came out with a long time long white stem, we all made fun of that for so long and it was just everywhere.

[David]

I found a tweet from even more than six years ago when those came out and I was, I was hard

[Marques]

because they looked ridiculous.

[David]

Well, I was wrong about that.

[Adam]

They objectively, I think you were right. I think they do.

[Marques]

They objectively look ridiculous. Everyone's wearing them.

[David]

They don't look the first one gen one still look stupid in my opinion.

[Marques]

With the long, the long stem. The long.

[David]

The long.

[Marques]

They did shorten the stem.

[Ellis]

I was.

[David]

Short stem's fine.

[Ellis]

I think I was a freshman in college when they came out and I just remember them instantly becoming a status symbol because it's not like they were super expensive, but they were pretty expensive. And it was still like when they came out, the big question was like, how are you not going to lose these?

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

So it instantly became like a I'm wealthy enough to lose these and buy another one sort of product. I don't know.

[David]

But.

[Ellis]

So that's how I feel is like I actually, I take back what I said, Marques, because you are right. Like I do think if Apple did make the I'm always pointing a camera at something, they would hopefully keep that in line with their current data practices. But I have trust issues.

[David]

Well, everybody does. This is kind of what I think they're gonna struggle with is anytime Apple is going to have a camera that is always pointed at people, even if they have all of these security practices and all of these things about we only use it if you give it these permissions and we only use it when you say these certain commands people are gonna feel nervous. Like remember when the airtags came out and for like six months people were like I'm gonna be stocked with these. So yeah. Which is a real problem. Yes. Which is a real problem I have.

[Adam]

It's not necessarily trust issues. It's more that the practical way these products work. They're gonna have a leak at some point. Right. Because there's gonna be something that the camera doesn't understand and there's gonna have to be a third party human looking at it to decipher it to make the models better.

[David]

That's a good moving forward Apple do that.

[Adam]

That's the reason I want to see how they're gonna navigate it.

[Marques]

I think that's the reason it's like a double sided or double edged sword. Like that's the reason Apple's AI has been so poor is because they don't do that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So their models are so far behind because they're not improving in that way. And so you get the benefit of having that extra privacy. But you have these far worse, far smaller models with way less information.

[David]

Maybe what they'll do is they'll take the image and then they'll send it to their like private cloud compute that's running the Gemini and then Gemini will parse it and then send it back to your.

[Ellis]

Or maybe they're just trying to build a quick snap camera. You know the most popular feature from everyone I've talked to who owns Meta Glasses is just being able to take pictures and videos and people see it.

[David]

Nobody really cares about the AI parts.

[Marques]

What is the angle like from the side of your head?

[Ellis]

Oh, you think they'd be on. I assume they would be on the.

[David]

Oh no.

[Marques]

On the case. Oh no. I think the rumor is that they're in the stems.

[Ellis]

Well then wouldn't it just your. That's just eyes.

[David]

Yeah, that's the point exactly.

[Marques]

Just like the metaglasses, like you have eyes. So they're. They're operating at your field of view and can look at what you're looking at.

[Ellis]

I totally assumed it would be like a lanyard, however, on your ears.

[Mariah]

Like, what about my hair?

[Marques]

Yeah. What about questions? There's a lot of questions.

[David]

That makes a good sense, Alice. I actually like your opinion, like thought process on it. Cause it would make a lot of sense to put it on the case because then you're not having a camera looking at people.

[Marques]

That was a rumor though, that potentially Apple was going to do a camera

[Ellis]

in the Apple Watch if if picture. This solves the hair thing, right? Because if the cameras were, instead of being stock, were on the outside of the bud facing perpendicular to your eyes in order to look at something, you'd go move your hair back and go.

[Marques]

That's actually true.

[David]

I'm hearing images right now.

[Marques]

And could Apple make that a thing that people think is normal?

[David]

Probably.

[Ellis]

Maybe for audio listeners. I just pretended to brush my hair back and did the most cartoony. I'm listening to something. Cupping ear.

[Marques]

Possible point your ear at the thing.

[Ellis]

So. Well, yeah, there's a lot more products on this.

[David]

There's five more products we really got to run through this. So. Yeah, number two, smart glasses. We know they've been working on these for a very long time.

[Marques]

Bring it on.

[David]

This seems pretty straightforward. Yeah, I don't think there's really a lot to talk about there.

[Ellis]

Well, I guess it's do will they have displays or not? Which is.

[David]

I don't think they're going to have displays.

[Marques]

I think they'll start with no displays and they'll eventually make a one with displays.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. That just shows you notifications or something. I don't know.

[Ellis]

I do have one interesting thing to say about the smart glasses, which is probably going to have like a million people in the comments being like, you have no idea what you're talking about. But Apple loves aluminum. Aluminum is really cool because it is strong and light, but it is also bendy. And if we learned one thing from talking to the meta glasses engineers, it's that bendy smart glasses with displays are not good.

[Marques]

They need rigidity.

[Ellis]

And so I wonder what they're going to make them out of if they do have displays. That's my $0.02 rubbing those pennies together. Up next was a smart display.

[David]

Yeah. So this is basically. It's like a home display.

[Ellis]

Oh, it's like the.

[David]

Yeah, it's like a Google Nest. Nest Hub. Nest Hub.

[Adam]

It's the one they've had in the basement of Apple park, just like waiting to be released for a decade.

[Marques]

It feels so obvious. Like the HomePod sits there. It's a nice speaker. You have a HomePod mini. Cause HomePod wouldn't sell because it's a bazillion dollars. So then you have a $99 HomePod mini. That's still 100 bucks. It's still just Siri. What if you could control your HomeKit stuff and press buttons instead of relying on Siri? It seems so obvious.

[David]

I can't believe that. Yeah, I have a Nest Hub mini and a HomePod mini. I have both of them.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Next to each other.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Because I like the display. It would be very obvious. I don't know. They haven't done that yet. But an extension of that is their tabletop robot that they've been working on, which is effectively like an iPad on a little robot thing that can like move around and point at you and do stuff like that. This has been rumored for quite a while.

[Marques]

At this point, I never got this one. What does it. Okay, I get what an iPad does. I'm picturing it on a table connected to an arm so it can point in different directions. Why would I want it to be on a table connected to an army?

[David]

Um, I think it's.

[Marques]

Oh, oh, like the center stage camera already lets me have a FaceTime call and walk around.

[Ellis]

No, no, no, no. So I have a thing to add to this. Do you remember a year and a half, maybe two years ago, Apple released that research paper on animatronic motion? Do you guys remember this?

[David]

Yes.

[Ellis]

They built a smart lamp.

[David]

Yes.

[Ellis]

And they did all of this testing to see what kind of moves does this robot lamp. It's sort of like a Pixar lamp.

[David]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ellis]

What kind of moves does it need to make to make people like it? And they discovered that in order to make people like the. These non linear, sort of extra artsy, dancey moves were really. So I wonder if this is the culmination of all of that.

[Marques]

So interesting.

[David]

I mean, considering they used to own Pixar, they have some lineage there before you remember the.

[Marques]

What was the phone that just came out? The AI Little Gimbal Honor.

[David]

Oh, the Honor Honor's robot phone.

[Marques]

The Honor Robot phone did that. Yeah, I guess it's a concept phone. It's not like a retail phone, but it had this gimbal with a camera on top of it. And it would also kind of give you these like little nods and shake its head at you and it would give you not fully anthropomorphic looks, but it would kind of have a face type of thing. Still kind of weird.

[Mariah]

Yeah.

[David]

I'm not really sure what Apple's angle on this is.

[Marques]

Yeah. To be honest, I don't understand that product. To be honest.

[David]

I think it would be cool.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I guess I sort of agree with you. The lamp was really cool. Like the lamp was really cool because it had this sort of ability to. You could direct where it was what it was illuminating with all sorts of like gestures and commands and it would just sort of seemed like the most fun futuristic lamp you could buy. But I don't know if it has a. If it's gonna have like a grasper or what.

[David]

I don't think it's supposed to have a grasp thing like a. Like a claw. Yeah. They basically made a Pixar lamp.

[Marques]

Oh my God.

[David]

In real life, if it is actually

[Adam]

a lamp and it has a display with speakers, I would use this.

[David]

If it was a lamp, I would buy it.

[Marques]

This would be like an $800 probably.

[David]

If it was a lamp, I'd be stoked.

[Ellis]

I only think it's a lamp up just because they.

[David]

I don't think it's lambda.

[Ellis]

You know this is on Apple's website. Like they. This is something that they.

[David]

Machine learning research.

[Ellis]

You should read this paper. It's really cool. Like they did a lot of research into like in order to move 6 inches to the left, do you do it linearly? How do you ramp the speed?

[David]

Do you animation in real life?

[Ellis]

Like cock back and then switch?

[David]

Like it's really cool to make it friendly.

[Marques]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis]

Also just want to say if they release the HomePod with a screen, they're going to call it the home pad.

[David]

Yeah, that's just one of the actually been the leaked name.

[Ellis]

God.

[David]

Sorry, Alice.

[Marques]

Alice thought he was making a very clever prediction joke. But that's probably what it's called.

[David]

If you search homepad it'll come up.

[Ellis]

No way.

[David]

Yeah, sorry. All right. Security camera. No, actually, actually we skipped pendant by accident.

[Ellis]

Well, we did skip pendant.

[David]

I mean we kind of pendant slash necklace.

[Marques]

It's another version of. Let me put a sensor on you that you can wear all the time. It's not glasses, it's not on your AirPods, but it's around your neck. Works in fashion. You put a nice Hermes necklace or whatever. I don't know who makes necklaces, but you put a fashion accessory around your neck and then that is your little AI accessory from Apple Chokers.

[Adam]

Are back, baby.

[David]

No Apple Choker.

[Marques]

Dude, you say that, but someone's gonna do that.

[Ellis]

I know, but AI Choker just sounds like the.

[Marques]

That is the way we all Gen Alpha.

[David]

It's gonna already being made. The thing about this is they kind of tried to make the Apple watch fashion. You know, they made. Well, they really tried. They really try to make it fashion.

[Marques]

The gold one.

[David]

Well, all of them, really. But then eventually the Apple. Because all the Apple watches look exactly the same, like the shape of them. I never really want to wear mine anymore because it just looks like what

[Marques]

everyone else is wearing it accidentally. Yeah, it was funny before. So it started off, there were no Apple watches. There were some smartwatches and they were kind of dorky. So Apple was wrong.

[David]

There were no Apple watches.

[Marques]

They were like, watches are fashion. So if we are going to say sell a watch as Apple, the cool tech company, it needs to be fashionable. So they made the Apple watch edition. They had a gold one. They had this Hermes collection of watch bands. They had all these accessories, and they very much marketed it and presented it as a fashion accessory that happens to be connecting to your iPhone. Fast forward to today. It is everywhere, like you said. So now it's less fashion, more utility. I remember having that, like, random Kevin o' Leary interview pop up on my feed every once in a while where he's like, I wear this extremely nice watch, and I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that Apple watch because that's. That says I'm 50% off. And I have this incredible timepiece I love. And I'm like, that's how people appreciate fashion watches. Think of the Apple watch now. So it's flipped. Yeah, but yeah, it's been. It's been one of those things that just has a ton of fun.

[David]

Well, so my question is, like, if you make a pendant and they all look the same. I mean, part of the. Part of the reason people wear necklaces is because they're unique and different fashion. So it's kind of insane to like release one necklace that looks exactly.

[Adam]

Just different chains.

[David]

Yeah, but that's not enough differentiation, I don't think.

[Adam]

I mean, with the Apple watch, you just change the band.

[Marques]

Okay. What if it goes the. What if it goes the way of AirPods? The little white ball is a status symbol, the way AirPods were. And it's the I have an iPhone necklace. But then you get to fashion accessorize it with a different chain. I think people.

[David]

If that's enough.

[Marques]

Unfortunately, people.

[Adam]

But okay, wait, we keep omitting a part. What does it do?

[Ellis]

Nothing.

[Adam]

Yeah, right.

[Ellis]

I mean, stuff.

[Marques]

Well, it just always records endlessly, gathering context and offering you, like the AI assistant. The same way the Meta Glasses AI assistant has context.

[David]

I have a feeling it won't have a camera.

[Marques]

Yeah, it probably doesn't need that.

[David]

The pendant, I think, is just gonna have, like, annoy. It'll. It'll do all the other biometric stuff that you need to know. Like, are you in a loud environment? Are how many steps is alpha pedometer in it?

[Marques]

Yeah. Is it going to listen to everything you say?

[David]

I doubt it.

[Marques]

It's just going to listen to the key.

[David]

I think it'll have like temperature sensor and like a loudness sensor and it'll just be all these things that it's like your ambient environment and that way it can be put into your health app and then eventually. Because they're eventually going to like, move further and further into the health stuff and try to, like, you know, say, oh, I've known every environment that you've been in in the last month and now you can give that data to your do and then your doctor can tell you if you know, you, I don't know, have been going to too many concerts.

[Ellis]

No, no, no, no. It'll be. It'll give your data to your doctor and your doctor's AI will.

[David]

That's true. We'll parse through it.

[Marques]

I'm not sure.

[Ellis]

I think all of these new products sort of beg this. Are beginning to beg this question of what cognition are you willing to offload? And I'm not sure context is the kind of cognition I want to offload. I'm not saying it's a bad thing if that is, but like, the whole. This whole idea of like, like, it'll just be constantly capturing your day and all the things you hear and stuff like that. Like, I get it in theory, but I feel like I do fine. Just like, remembering what happened in my day and resynthesizing it later. And the kind of cognition that I'm more. Okay, offloading is like, what's the best way to organize this div class in an HTML doc?

[Marques]

I'll offer you a devil's advocate, because I think a lot of Apple's best products come with a great ad that demonstrates, like, how they expect people to use it and the use case for it. And human memory, everyone knows, is inherently a little bit flawed. So there's going to be the use case of like, Siri, where did I leave my Blah, blah, blah. And it's going to go, oh, last place I saw that was Blair. And you go find it. And it's like, I'm so glad I had this context gathering thing that remembers it because I didn't remember it. And that's an ad and that's a use case and that's a. Oh, I think I might want to buy this.

[David]

Well, in the first year of ChatGPT, every AI startup company was some sort of just context necklace, you know. Yeah.

[Ellis]

I just think we should be aware because I do kind of believe that when you offload the forms of cognition to the AI, you, you lose them and you have to retrain them if you want them back, you know. And I do think we have to start asking ourselves, like, what are we okay losing? Because as soon as you start put as soon as you dawn the pendant and you begin not being as aware because you can sort of just be like, oh, the pendant will remember that. I think you will very quickly realize that your short term memory is just gone.

[Adam]

Yeah. There's been studies already showing this.

[Ellis]

Yeah. And so I, I do think as cool as the idea of I will never lose my keys again will be, I do think we need to start asking ourselves that question. Am I willing to lose this part of my brain? And there are parts again.

[Marques]

I've already decided which parts I got rid of.

[Ellis]

Yeah. I do not want any mental space taken up by how HTML works. I am totally fine letting it.

[Marques]

Everyone will have a different line in the sand for what they're willing to offer. I have my Tasks app that I fully rely on. If I don't write it down, I'm not going to remember. And I know I won't remember. And I know that if I write it down, I will. And that's where my line is for some people. When I go through a briefing and I need to remember all the little details of something, I take my notes. Some people specifically use AI tools to take notes on meetings. That's the thing that it's good for. Give you a summary at the end and that's why you use it.

[Ellis]

Well, speaking of capturing other people doing stuff, the last item on this list is a security camera, which, I mean, I like it going back to what Adam said earlier because now we know that the ring cameras are just cybersecurity nightmares and like unbelievably easy to hack into. So I would hope that we get the Apple encryption treatment on the Apple camera.

[David]

That would be nice. That would be a big up for them. A lot of people would probably like, that. The other thing is that they just have not pushed into smart home stuff almost at all.

[Marques]

They're like the Hub, but none of the accessories.

[David]

Yeah. Like, made for HomeKit is this, like, overly convoluted, like, thing where they have to approve everything that gets the made for HomeKit badge. And, like, they're way more strict about it versus, like, Amazon and Google. The reason that they were supporting Matter so heavily is because the amount of products that are. That work with HomeKit is way, way less than, like, you know, Google's like, in the middle there where they have some Made for Google Assistant or whatever. And then Alexa's like, let's go, baby. Just keep slapping it on. So they were happy to have the Matter products. It makes more sense for them now to actually get into their own product category again, because they could. I mean, they could dominate with a lot of home stuff.

[Marques]

This, to me, felt like another obvious one. Like, they make the iPhone, which has a great camera and also a smart camera experience. And then obviously, they make the home Hub, and then they can have a connected. It feels so obvious.

[David]

And the snitch is huge. Yeah.

[Marques]

And then put the screen on the HomePod so I can see my feed. So when someone rings the Apple doorbell, I get the feed from the video. Yeah.

[David]

Maybe that's what the robot is for. So when someone rings your doorbell, it'll swivel over to you and be like, hey, look, it's John Tertis at your door.

[Ellis]

Yeah, he wants to be CEO. Is the A18 gonna be in everything? Are we, like, a few years down the road? Are we just gonna live in a giant sea of A18 chips?

[Adam]

I mean, they barely have enough for the Neo right now, so.

[Marques]

Yeah, they put them in the studio display.

[Ellis]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[David]

There's a whole iPhone in your display.

[Ellis]

If you have an iPhone and a studio display and a MacBook Neo, you have three A8. You have three identical devices right there.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Marques]

A18.18 Pro. Oh, no. Yeah. So base iPhone. Yeah, base iPhone and then a studio display. Non XDR is also an A18.

[Ellis]

Is there an M chip? No. There's an A18 in this, right?

[Marques]

Yeah, there's an A18 in that. Yeah. The Pro iPhone has an A18 Pro, though.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Marques]

A19 Pro. Actually. A19 Pro. So you have an A19 and A18 and another 18. It's crazy. Speaking of a. Yeah.

[David]

Ad break.

[Marques]

Oh, a Ad break trivia.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So first question. We are a mobile podcast. We talk about phones and stuff while People are on the go or washing their dishes.

[David]

But a mobile pot, either way.

[Adam]

Whichever one you want. So, speaking of mobile stuff, let's talk about some mobile technology. Cdma.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Stands for Code Division, Multiple access. Sorry, Marcus. So what does GSM stand for?

[Ellis]

What is cdmas? Code Division, Code division, Multiple access. Okay.

[David]

And GSM stands for GSM Arena.

[Ellis]

Yeah, GSM stands for GSM Arena Site Mobile phones.

[Marques]

Well, we'll think about that.

[David]

I will.

[Marques]

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[David]

All right, we're back. Okay. We were just talking about Apple making a lot of AI stuff, so now we're going to pivot it a little bit. Samsung's display less smart glasses have leaked.

[Marques]

So just glasses. Glasses.

[David]

They're just. Well, they're smart glasses.

[Marques]

AI glasses.

[David]

They've got a camera. They got two cameras.

[Marques]

Camera and AI glasses.

[David]

Yeah. So if you click the link, there are some renders in there.

[Marques]

Let's see it.

[David]

But Android Headlines got ahold of some supposedly allegedly leaked marketing images for the Galaxy glasses, if they're accurate.

[Marques]

Galaxy glasses?

[David]

Yeah, Galaxy glasses, which makes sense.

[Ellis]

Oh my God.

[Marques]

Why is that so funny to me?

[David]

I don't know.

[Ellis]

Because it sounds like Galaxy gas.

[Marques]

Yeah, that might be why.

[David]

Galaxy Glass, Galaxy gases. Okay, well, if they're accurate, they have dual cameras, which is interesting. They go one on each side. They will have Samsung branding on the side. They don't seem to have an inner display right now, but apparently that is coming later next year. They are said to run on Gemini xr, you know, Android xr, which means they'll be controlled mostly through voice commands. And the alleged specs are the Qualcomm Snapdragon AR1 chip which makes sense. 12 megapixel Sony sensors, a 155 milliamp hour battery, which is in line with the Ray Bans bone conduction speakers. 50 grams, rumored to be priced between $379 and $499, which is a quite, quite a wide range.

[Marques]

It's kind of a big range, but it isn't actually that big of a range, I think. Yeah, like somewhere under 500 is. It's not impulse buy territory obviously, but it is not cheap.

[David]

They need to make these cheaper.

[Marques]

Think so, yeah. So the metas are what? 350. But they went up though.

[David]

Those are also Ray Bans.

[Marques]

True.

[David]

This is a random Samsung like Samsung glasses.

[Marques]

Aren't they gonna collab? So I haven't read this article yet, but typically there's some sort of. I think they all recognize they have to collab with a glasses maker. I don't know, it's Warby Parker or Luxottica, whoever. They just, they need someone to make the glasses.

[David]

Samsung hasn't announced a collab yet. Google did. Because maybe Google's doing Warby Parker and Gentle Monster.

[Marques]

Right. There's only so many companies to go around.

[Ellis]

I like gentle monster glasses.

[Marques]

See, that's exactly the reaction.

[Ellis]

Yeah, but I'm not.

[Marques]

Because you're not. They're hoping. You don't think about it as Google glasses. They're like, oh, I could get the gentle monster glasses with these features in them.

[Adam]

It's 100% gentle monster because that's also a South Korean company.

[David]

That's true.

[Marques]

Interesting.

[David]

But can they do that for Google and Twitch?

[Ellis]

Yeah, I don't think they can. They can.

[David]

Why not?

[Adam]

Google and Samsung are like besties, frenemies.

[Marques]

I think once you're off the market, once you do one collab, you're locked in.

[Ellis]

Once you already have a date to the prize. You can't mess around like that. We've seen the movies.

[Adam]

Well, did they say that Google has a collab with them or Android XR has a collab with them?

[David]

Google.

[Adam]

It is Google itself.

[David]

But I mean overall, Android, like you're going to see this is Google's advantage in this case. Right. It's the same advantage that Android has over the iPhone where they have so many manufacturers. Like Samsung is going to make smart glasses. Oppo is going to make smart glasses. Vivo is going to make smart glasses. OnePlus is probably going to make smart glasses.

[Marques]

Everybody in the club.

[David]

Everybody in the club makes smart glasses. Everyone's doing it.

[Ellis]

Stop.

[David]

Does that not have that Song goes.

[Marques]

My question is, why is it dual cameras? Why the left and the right?

[Ellis]

Are they not all dual cameras?

[Marques]

No. So metas are just on one side and then a sort of dummy lens on the other side for symmetry. Yeah, but you only record from one side.

[Adam]

Would that be for depth information?

[David]

Maybe.

[Marques]

That seems like the only reasonable way to have two cameras facing the same direction.

[David]

Maybe it's for the. The Galaxy XR glass like this.

[Marques]

That's probably.

[David]

So you, like, you record in 3D maybe, and then you can watch 3D videos.

[Marques]

Yeah. If you have a fixed distance. This is what we were talking about, Ellis, with the rigidity, like you have a perfectly fixed. Exactly measurable distance between the two lenses at all times. You can design an algorithm to make stereoscopic video from that that you use in the Galaxy.

[David]

What are their Vision Pro called?

[Marques]

So we saw it when there was Project Muhan. Now it's the Galaxy xr.

[David]

Is that what it is?

[Marques]

Let me double check. But yeah, I think so.

[David]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if it's Galaxy xr. I don't know if there's that many Samsung super fans that are, like, gonna spend that much money on Samsung smart glasses. I would personally buy Google smart glasses before Samsung smart glasses.

[Marques]

So it'll be interesting when those are out. When the Samsung ones are out and the Google ones are out, and they have a hugely overlapping functionality and they look almost the same and they're priced almost the same. Like, what's gonna make someone pick one versus the other?

[David]

Samsung's gonna have to figure out how to make them work, work better for their ecosystem because they have Samsung health. They have like, you know, you just

[Adam]

look at your washing machine and it starts cleaning your clothes.

[Marques]

That's actually probably what they're gonna do. They make enough stuff that Google doesn't make. Where you could just like, tell your fridge to do or like, ask it what's in your fridge and it'll tell you. Because you have a Samsung fridge.

[David]

True.

[Marques]

You know, I just want to say,

[Adam]

it doesn't matter who makes it. If you're wearing glasses and recording your daughter at her birthday party, I'm gonna make fun of you. It's just like the Apple Vision Pro.

[Marques]

I love that.

[Ellis]

That's the one that's like the one use case I think is like,

[Marques]

you

[Ellis]

know, like being like, oh, I need to take a video right now.

[Adam]

Yeah, but not like a. I mean, like the Spatial video. When they were demoing the Apple Vision Pro. And it's just the guy, like, all up in his daughter's face.

[Ellis]

That's. That's.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

That's insane.

[David]

Yeah, that.

[Marques]

I'm surprised we didn't make fun of that more. Being the one guy at a birthday party who's recording everything with a Vision Pro and, like, actively moving into the dude.

[Ellis]

Being the one guy at anything who's using a Vision Pro is tough.

[David]

What's it like to live in Cupertino? Well.

[Ellis]

Oh, my gosh.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Okay.

[Marques]

They really tried to sell people on the watching back. That memory will be special to you. So here's the way you capture that memory is to be that guy.

[Ellis]

The first camcorders were pretty ginormous this year, and people still. I don't know if you were getting roasted for using one of those.

[Adam]

You were, I remember.

[David]

Sure.

[Adam]

But at least I had one of those. And everybody. Everyone made fun of.

[David]

Yeah, but at least it wasn't mounted to your face.

[Ellis]

But it was, I think, to get

[Adam]

the right pov, I mean, kind of, you had to put it up to

[Marques]

your mirror like this.

[David]

Well.

[Ellis]

And the very first ones were so big, they had to sit on your shoulder. And then you had a pack that you wore on your belt that actually held capes.

[Marques]

Oh, that's old.

[Ellis]

So it was like. Yeah, that's sick.

[Marques]

I guess the novelty of, like, the first cameras recording stuff, it was such an impactful thing to be able to actually watch something back later that maybe it was worth the social trade off.

[Ellis]

That's true.

[Marques]

Now it's like, oh, I can watch it in 3D. That's.

[Ellis]

Yeah. No, but I have to put on your, like, sweaty thing.

[Marques]

Yeah, I'd rather not wear this thing. I can just capture it with my phone like everybody else, and I can still watch it and experience it later

[Ellis]

and watch it in 3D because the iPhone, like, depth convert your things now.

[David]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Ellis]

I don't know, man.

[David]

I don't know. I mean, it's a good way to capture stereoscopic video.

[Ellis]

I just worry that this is just about training data.

[David]

It's all about training data.

[Ellis]

Like, all these companies just are just trying to get training data, and they're like, oh, we'll give you some cute glasses in exchange for you being our little lab rat.

[David]

Correct. That's what all of big tech.

[Adam]

That's technology for the past 20 years.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Especially the last five.

[David]

Yeah. Especially the last five dot yeah. Switching gears. Okay, this is a weird one. Spotify Premium now includes peloton classes.

[Marques]

Wait, what?

[David]

It's only the peloton classes that don't need dedicated hardware. So no tread, which is the treadmill, and no peloton bike classes. But everything else, like running, yoga, strength, and Pilates, you now have access to in Spotify Premium.

[Marques]

So you're saying I have a Spotify Premium subscription. I can open the Spotify app and I can take a yoga class in it?

[Ellis]

Correct.

[David]

Okay, yeah.

[Marques]

Cool.

[David]

I mean, there's a case to be made for, like, Apple has the run with me and, like, the walk with me things. And, you know, if you have, like, a running coach in your ear, I guess that's considered audio.

[Marques]

You know, this is the opposite of, like, some companies, like car companies, their brand is so well known for one specific thing that if they want to branch out into something else, they have to, like, start a new brand name to do that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Even though they're the same company. So like, Nissan makes, you know, cheap, reliable cars great, but they want to make luxury cars. You can't have an expensive Nissan Infiniti. Boom. Now, you can sell the same stuff or sell more expensive stuff under the same company name, but a different name to actually get that across. Everyone knows Spotify is music, but they've been trying desperately to add to that, whether it's podcasts, whether it's the dj, the AI stuff. Now this peloton class and yoga class, I want it to be, not the Spotify name, to actually have a chance.

[David]

I mean, Netflix added games, and then they added podcasts, and Spotify added. They added audiobooks and they added podcasts. Cause remember, Spotify originally didn't even have podcasts.

[Marques]

Right.

[David]

And then they became like the de facto podcast app for a lot of people.

[Marques]

And I think they believe that that's because of the Spotify name. People open the Spotify app, they already like Spotify. They use it already. And so we're gonna leverage the Spotify name to also be good at and popular at these other things.

[David]

I mean, at the end of the day, it's like they. I mean, they need to add more value in some way. But all of these streaming companies, whether it's Netflix, whether it's YouTube, whether it's Spotify, are just trying to build out full ecosystems where you can do basically everything in it. Because, you know, there's this. What is the saying? It's like, we're competing for your. We're competing against you. Sleeping is what. I don't remember what tech CEO said this, but he was like, we're competing with your sleep. It was Reed Hastings. Netflix.

[Adam]

Yeah, Reed Hastings for Netflix.

[David]

He Said we're competing with Sleep on the margin. Okay.

[Marques]

I could see that because you watch Netflix before you go to sleep, and if you want to keep staying on Netflix, you're trading yourself. That makes a direct. Okay.

[Adam]

I think that also was in particular. Someone was asking him about the competition with, like, YouTube and stuff, and he was like, oh, we don't really consider them our competition. Our biggest competition for your attention is, like, sleep.

[Marques]

That is really funny. Considering also that YouTube is a direct competitor. That's really funny.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

This is how they're describing this move. Time on Spotify should feel meaningful and intentional, not something that slips away in a blur of mindless scrolling. That's why we've always invested in experiences that leave you feeling more energized, in control, and empowered. We also look to the user base and creators on our platform for inspiration, and that's why we're expanding into the new category fitness.

[David]

Yeah, I mean, I can kind of see it. And also, Peloton is, like, on the verge of bankruptcy again.

[Marques]

So Ether Lunch.

[David]

I mean, they. They need to do anything. You know what I mean? I think that what Peloton gets out of it is if people like the classes in general, they might buy a Peloton subscription for the actual bike and treadmill. And then Spotify is like, oh, we're technically offering more value. If you're a Peloton user who doesn't have the bike or tread, but you still like the classes, then you could just cancel your Peloton subscription.

[Marques]

True. If you're paying for two subscriptions, you can cancel one of them.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Damn. Peloton probably hates this.

[David]

It's weird. I think we're just gonna keep seeing, like, YouTube added the games, and I think we're just gonna continue to see all of these streaming companies build out the services that they offer so that you never leave their app.

[Marques]

Fair enough.

[David]

But it does feel weird because Spotify should not be a fitness company.

[Mariah]

I feel like when I think of Peloton, I imagine it just. It always appears in places I don't expect it to be, or it should be.

[David]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Just in advertising and, like, weird places they feature it. But it is bizarre that for this Peloton thing, you actively have to go out of your way to search for it. It's not like in the home ui, you have to search the word fitness and then it pulls it up. So it's not.

[David]

I mean, it only launched, like, yesterday or the day before, so you might not even have gotten it yet.

[Marques]

It's there oh yeah, it is there.

[Ellis]

What is a sweat free work? Oh, it's. I guess it's like yoga. That's not really a work.

[David]

A lot of people sweat while they do yoga.

[Ellis]

I'm just gonna say I'm gonna do a serial. Let's do five minute breathing. I guess I can't play this because.

[David]

No, please don't. Yeah. All right.

[Ellis]

All right.

[David]

Well, okay, We've got a big story. But first there's some breaking news that I just saw.

[Ellis]

Breaking news.

[David]

Google Photos is going to is launching an AI try on feature for clothes that you own.

[Ellis]

Oh, this is stupid.

[Marques]

Clothes that you already own?

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

Oh, so you have a picture of.

[David]

No, it's not stupid. I think it's cool.

[Ellis]

No, it. I have a big problem with the whole Google. Like try on this clothes with AI because that's not how clothes work. Clothes like what clothes drape over your body in a way that an AI just cannot predict because it doesn't know it is true. It doesn't.

[David]

You just have to take a lot of nudes and then I'll know how.

[Ellis]

It would also need an in depth knowledge of where the stitches are on every art. Like it's just not like you could see how a color would work.

[David]

Yeah. Which is helpful though.

[Marques]

Maybe this is like getting at the 80%. It's not going to be 100% perfect, but I can get a better sense of the proportions of something. Maybe if I use this feature versus if it's just floating with no body in it or a mannequin. I don't know.

[Mariah]

But if this is stuff we already have, it already has the data.

[Ellis]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If it already has a picture of you wearing it, then maybe it would.

[Marques]

Yeah. If the feature is just like show me how this fits on me and it just shows you the picture you already took. Oh yeah, that's how it fits.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Marques]

I mean, what is it supposed to do then? If it's not just showing you pictures you already took?

[David]

Well, no, it's not just showing you pictures you already took. So it'll create cutouts. Here's directly from Google's website. It'll create these cutouts of clothing that you have photos of yourself wearing and then you take a photo of yourself. I guess it probably already has photos of yourself and it will literally put the clothes on you.

[Marques]

So this is more of like a mix and match type thing.

[David]

Yeah, it's a mix and match. You can save outfits and you can also share them with friends look, you guys think the stupid. As a very non fashionable person who's really bad at clothes, I kind of, I kind of really like this.

[Mariah]

I mean there's companies that make apps for this.

[Ellis]

I was gonna say this is Sherlocking many apps.

[David]

This isn't unusual, which is good because theirs are all paid out apps.

[Mariah]

Well, now daddy, Google owns your outfit.

[David]

It's not good.

[Adam]

But I'm a huge fan of this because one of the biggest like tech things from movies that I've always wanted was the wardrobe from Clueless. And that's what this is.

[David]

It's like a smart wardrobe.

[Adam]

Yeah, exactly. You like it tells you what certain things in your wardrobe and how it looks on you. Like you could just swipe through and create different outfits based on the things you've wore. So like if I wore this jacket today, but tomorrow I wear a different pair of pants and I'm like, huh, I wonder how that jacket is. Jacket look would look with those pants.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And then you can just like swipe them through and make it look.

[David]

I love this. Filter by category, look at everything together or a deeper dive into a single category, example jewelry, tops or bottoms. Then scroll to rediscover long forgotten items that might be buried in your closet. That's also cool.

[Ellis]

It's good. It's good.

[David]

Create outfits with ease. Mix and match items and try on looks virtually. See how an outfit will look on you before you get dressed. See individual pieces and then click try. What I want is, I want Gemini to suggest me clothing pairings.

[Adam]

Let AI dress you.

[Marques]

Yes, I'm sure it'll do that. You'll probably go, I'm going to a. It'll tell you like what kind of event it is, like black tie, whatever, other themes.

[David]

I'm going to a podcast.

[Marques]

I mean, and it'll be like, wear that thing you wore to the other podcast.

[David]

And I'll be like, really?

[Mariah]

This is probably like inherently tied to Google shopping, right?

[David]

Yes, 100%.

[Mariah]

Obviously. That's the most.

[Marques]

It's going to start showing you things that you don't already own for sure. And tell you, oh, you could.

[David]

I'm down with that, bro.

[Marques]

You know, it worked really well with that pair of pants you keep wearing. This other shirt you don't have.

[David]

You know how people are like, I love Instagram ads because they're relevant to me and it's actually good. Like I say that people do say that.

[Adam]

I agree with that 100%.

[David]

I do say that I have never bought anything on Finstagram yet. Although I might Next week. Because I found something that I might want to buy for somebody. I. But. And I keep being like, I can't let them win. I can't let them win, however.

[Marques]

But it's really good.

[David]

I don't like going to just like, clothing stores and just like looking at stuff and then having to. I want to just like swipe through a gallery and be like, that looks good on me and then buy it. That's all I want to do.

[Adam]

What if it's like, hey, that shirt you have doesn't look too good on you. What about this new shirt over here?

[David]

I don't think it would tell you look like. I don't think so.

[Ellis]

I don't think that's how clothes work. I don't.

[Marques]

I think.

[Ellis]

I think that's.

[David]

It's not how clothes work, but it's 80% how clothes work.

[Marques]

And that's how most people understand clothes to work. Enough.

[Adam]

It's better than scrolling a website.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Would you do this?

[David]

It's way better than scrolling a website.

[Marques]

I don't.

[Ellis]

Would you do this with a car wrap?

[Adam]

Yes.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

It would essentially be perfect for a car.

[David]

Yeah. Really?

[Ellis]

You don't need to see it in natural light and see it and see the.

[Marques]

For the. Again, the 90% like, yes. There's the 5% of like, how does it look in different lights for different angles. But for the 90% of like, I can just import a model of the car and then just copy paste the text around to the car. That's good enough for me to decide.

[Ellis]

I don't know, man. I've been suit shopping a lot lately and like, I know my. My jacket suits are very different. No, no, no, no. It's all the suits same, bro.

[David]

A T shirt is so different than

[Adam]

how a suit fits.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

I think there's. How picky are you going to be about this piece of clothing which is the same as the car?

[Ellis]

Okay, fine. We'll talk about the T shirt I'm wearing, right? This is a. This is a color. Who makes it a color wear?

[Marques]

It's a comfort colors.

[Ellis]

Comfort colors.

[David]

Right.

[Ellis]

From shop.mkbhd.com It's a gorgeous shirt. I love this shirt.

[Adam]

Oh, you look really good in it.

[Ellis]

Thank you.

[Marques]

Yeah, it's incredible.

[Ellis]

It actually really shirt is not sized like other shirts. If you were to hold it up with another T shirt of the same. I forget if this is a large or an extra large.

[Adam]

You know what would solve that? AI Google fit.

[Marques]

It wouldn't. Because.

[Ellis]

Because there's no Google Fit.

[David]

They could bring it back.

[Ellis]

Oh, my. Oh, my God. Google fit. I don't know. There's. There's too many seams. There's. So there's too many measurement points. You need to see how. How the clothes, like, drape over your body. You need to know the length of all the stitches. I'm not saying it's impossible for an AI to have all these data points, but I'm saying knowing these tech companies, they're not going to get the data point of every article of clothing that's ever made and know all your measurements.

[Marques]

Here's a question.

[Ellis]

They're going to hallucinate it all.

[Marques]

Here's a question right now. When you buy a shirt like this, it shows you just like the shirt with no body and maybe a couple pictures of it with people. Is this better than that? It's somewhere in between. Like the perfect thing of trying on the shirt in a mirror that's 100%. The 0% is just a render of the shirt with no body. Somewhere in between is. It's going to try to estimate how this will fit on you and hopefully it gets it not terribly wrong. That's like somewhere in between, I guess.

[Ellis]

You know, to that I would just say that, like, for me personally, like, most online clothing has a model in the picture. It'll say something like, the model is 6:1 and wearing this size. And you can usually extrapolate like, oh, this is. And given I'm still really bad at that, I order tons of stuff that I'm like, this technically fits, but makes me look like a cereal box. Or this technically fits and makes me look like a penguin. You know, it's so like. Yeah, like. Like, for example, I got, you know, big, long, gangly arms. I gotta have something slightly longer sleeve, you know, otherwise I

[David]

maybe.

[Ellis]

I don't know. I'm not. I don't have faith. But we should stop talking about.

[David]

Well, okay, last note. I will say, like, I've never again, never bought anything off Instagram ads, but I might next week. But I almost bought this sweater one time. There was like a big kind of holiday sweater and had a big cat face on it. And it was very cute and looked very warm. And then I looked at the reviews and it was like, this is the worst fitting thing, the cheapest material. So my concern about it is you don't know how good the material is. And that's a big thing for sure.

[Ellis]

And you also don't know the manufacturing. Like, there's so many different ways you can make A T shirt. There's so many different machines that can make a T shirt and they all make a different quality shirt.

[Adam]

But this is also for clothes you already own.

[Marques]

Own.

[David]

Well, you're right. Yeah. We're talking about the, we're talking about the inevitable future where they.

[Adam]

Well, that they already announced like last year, didn't they? The AI shopping try on.

[Marques]

Yeah. I'm mad with like a few supported.

[David]

Yeah. Really? Really.

[Ellis]

I got us off the rails by being like, I know this new thing is coming out is fine, but that thing from last year I'm still mad about.

[David]

It's okay. Well, one of the big stories of today, OpenAI is reportedly working on an AI smartphone to compete with the iPhone.

[Ellis]

Okay. I have one question about this. Yeah, this is different than the Sam Altman, Johnny.

[David]

I, I think they pivoted so they're

[Ellis]

not making hardware anymore.

[David]

We don't know this, I would say

[Marques]

probably again falls in the same category as a lot of the Apple stuff we were talking about earlier, which is reportedly working on means. Yeah, they're of course.

[David]

Well, apparently there's, there's already. So supply chain analyst Minxing Kuo posted a blog on Twitter about this saying they're already working on it. They're in late stage talks with Qualcomm and MediaTek to build bespoke processors for it and they're co designing the phone with luxshare which is a major Chinese components manufacturer. So it's like, it's in the late stage and I believe they said it might be releasing around the end of 2027, which is pretty late stage.

[Marques]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I have no doubt that a lot of people are really interested in what this could be. The other thing is all of the current smartphone makers are doing their best to add tons of AI features to their phones. So is there anything that we think. Think OpenAI could do in their smartphone that would give them an advantage that others like Google makes phones, Apple makes phones like that they couldn't do. They're just gonna get hyped because it's OpenAI.

[David]

The main thing that I'm thinking about is like if they build their chipsets and their phones specifically to be more optimized for things like continuous contextual processing. Right. Like if it's always listening or something

[Marques]

like that in a way that like Google wouldn't. With Tensor and Gemini, they're gonna try that.

[David]

Google could with Tensor on the Pixel later, but they would have to start doing that now, which maybe they already did. Apple would never really do that. I don't think.

[Adam]

I just feel like this makes a lot of sense for OpenAI and not a lot of sense for the customer that's gonna be using it. Because I already have a phone. Just because Apple doesn't let OpenAI do certain things on the phone. Like, that's not my problem.

[David]

Well, they said it's to compete with the iPhone, so it's gonna be.

[Adam]

Of course it is. Because they want to be able to do things that Apple won't let them do.

[Marques]

Exactly. It's the direct competitor to the iPhone because Apple will never let OpenAI do all the things that they want to do on the iPhone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So OpenAI makes their own hardware. People who are willing and want all that context and all this stuff in their account to work best on a phone will prefer it, I guess, over the iPhone because of all that stuff. And hopefully it also does all the stuff Apple does.

[David]

Well, I mean, the crazy thing is that apps would not, like, there's not going to be app developers for.

[Marques]

Yeah. There's so many other things that come with making a smartphone that you have to get good at so fast. Like developers, cameras.

[David]

Yeah. I suppose. Unless you believe the kind of pie in the sky idea that Sam Altman keeps talking about, where apps don't need to exist anymore because you can just ask it to do things and it will just do everything.

[Marques]

We're so far from that world. I get that that's what people are trying to do.

[David]

That's like 2050.

[Marques]

But we are far from that world. Apps are really good right now.

[David]

Yeah. And being able to rely on services and have specifically have trust that the thing that you do is going to act the same way every time. Those. Those are important.

[Marques]

And I don't.

[David]

I just don't think that asking your phone to doing. Do something and having like a 70 to 80% chance that it actually does it. I don't know if people are gonna be down with that also, like maps data, like Google Maps. Like, how would that tap into an API or something?

[Marques]

Asking it for the weather. There's so many good weather.

[David]

Oh, God. It's just gonna hallucinate the weather.

[Marques]

Yeah. Like there's. There's things that phones do incredibly well. You know what this reminds me of? That video we did about the Neo robot.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Where.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Marques]

If you believe in this future, like, you really think that there's a world where this future product knows enough about you and has enough training data that it can actually be useful, then you have to launch a version of it before it's ready before it has enough data and before it's even good at anything, to have early adopters start to help you make it better and train it. And then by version 3, 4, 5, it could get there. But the only way you could get there is if you start now with this probably inferior product.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So we're going to get maybe an OpenAI smartphone in 2027 that probably has a way worse camera than the iPhone and a way worse app store than the iPhone and a way worse bunch of other things than the iPhone, but it'll do the beginnings of this cool thing well. And people who are believers in that five years down the road mission, they're going to get one and sign up for all this stuff and beta test and. And they're off to the races.

[David]

Yeah. I think OpenAI is putting a lot of eggs in a basket. They need money so bad and I think they're looking at Apple and being like, the amount of Apple money Apple makes on the iPhone is so astronomical that this could solve all of our problems and all of our commitments that we've made for trillions of dollars. And I just, I think they're just.

[Adam]

But what's the operating system on it?

[David]

Well, this is the question, like, does it run Android or are they going to create a bespoke operating operating system? That's the other question.

[Ellis]

I just feel like OpenAI is a complete nonsense company at this point. Like. Like we're burning through cash at a record rate. We need cash flow. Let's start a hardware stack. I know in something that we have no experience, like, that doesn't make any business sense whatsoever, that's the scale you

[Adam]

need to compete at. When you owe the amount of money they have, the only way they're going to get that amount of money to pay back everyone that invested in them is to said, compete with the iPhone.

[Ellis]

No, no, no.

[David]

Well, like, that's crazy.

[Adam]

That's the scale they need to work.

[David]

I think so, dude. Their commitments are insane.

[Ellis]

That's it.

[David]

But you remember the guy that asked him, like, how exactly are you going to make this money? And Sam Alwin just goes, we'll buy out your shares from you, bro. We'll buy your shares back from you.

[Ellis]

But it's just, to me, it just feels like if. If you have invested, you know, billions of dollars into something, you're now billions of dollars in debt, and your idea for how do we get out of debt is to start a new chain of investments, because none of the other money we spent will make us.

[David]

That's called a gambling addiction. That's what that's called.

[Ellis]

That's called complete nonsense.

[Mariah]

When I think of an open AI phone, I think of, like, the crypto phone, the Is it Solana phone saga. They're all. They might be real, but, like, no one has them. There's no market for them. Who is this for? And why are you wasting your money making this?

[Marques]

Because somewhere out there, there's a bunch of early adopters who.

[David]

The entirety of San Francisco.

[Marques]

Yeah. Really, Actually really want it. And it sounds ridiculous from the outside looking in, but there are a lot of people who are going all in with like, oh, I've changed my life with these products, and I've optimized everything, and I've started new businesses with it. And of course, I would buy an OpenAI phone. And that. That's the world they live in. And so this is starting with that demographic of the very beginning of the. What is this curve called? The whole adoption curve, where the adoptors. The very beginning of it. That's those people.

[Adam]

Is it people who want the product or people who want to make a lot of money?

[Marques]

I think they're one and the same. I think that when you talk to Tesla people on Twitter, you get the sense that it's one large mob. I think that's kind of the same thing here.

[David]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's going to be interesting to see if people really trust the company enough to have a phone that does. Does all of the things with all the context. I just. Yeah, yeah. The general sentiment on AI is really bad. I think Nilai put out an article recently called the People do not Yearn for Automation. And it's true. It's just like the general sentiment of AI is very, very, very negative. And the people who are making the AI stuff in San Francisco just don't see that because everyone around them. Like, there was a tweet recently.

[Marques]

What do you call that when you're in a small group now? Even better, because it could pop an echo bubble. It's an echo bubble.

[David]

It's an echo bubble. Anyway. Yeah. Who knows, dude? It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be a crazy few years.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

I think that we should do another trivia question. Ad break. But first, before that, we should do the trivia question before the ad break.

[Marques]

Yes.

[David]

Hit the music.

[Ellis]

Thanks.

[Marques]

Trivia time.

[Ellis]

I'm ready.

[Marques]

You know what it is?

[David]

You know what it is, is.

[Marques]

What is it?

[David]

Black and yellow.

[Marques]

I'm actually shocked that high school True. Fair enough. Touche.

[David]

Or middle. Actually, that was middle school. That was middle school.

[Marques]

The song Black and Yellow, Black and yellow, Black and Yellow.

[David]

Why are you shocked that I know that?

[Marques]

I thought that was later than that

[David]

old Black and Yellow song. Oh, it's actually called black and yellow 2012, 2010.

[Ellis]

Wait, what did you think this song was called?

[Marques]

That's what I was. Yeah, that's where I was.

[David]

I don't know.

[Mariah]

They kind of say it a lot.

[David]

What are they talking about? Bumblebees or some. What are they talking about? Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh.

[Ellis]

Oh, really?

[David]

Why is Pittsburgh black and yellow?

[Mariah]

Steelers, bro.

[Ellis]

Mariah. Mariah. Wow.

[Mariah]

I wasn't born yesterday, you know ball.

[Marques]

Oh, my gosh. This is a ball podcast.

[David]

I thought the Steelers were. Were.

[Marques]

Ball. Football.

[David]

Ball.

[Ellis]

Yeah, that's a ball.

[David]

I thought ball only referred to basketball.

[Marques]

No, balls.

[David]

Ball.

[Ellis]

Balls.

[David]

When you say. When you say you know ball, it just means you know sports.

[Marques]

It just means you know ball means you're not stupid, David.

[Ellis]

You know ball. About tech.

[Marques]

You know ball.

[David]

I know ball.

[Mariah]

You guys want to hear trivia?

[Marques]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David]

Is it about ball?

[Mariah]

My trivia question for you this week is about a little historical question. So this week in history, on April 28th of 2003, Apple launched the itunes music store, which tightly integrated with the ipod and new model of paid digital downloads. My question for you is, what was the name of Apple's proprietary DRM system that enforced playback restrictions on the songs purchased from the store?

[Ellis]

Oh, I didn't even know there was drm.

[Marques]

Yeah, because I have a name.

[Mariah]

It has a name because I've.

[Ellis]

I've. I've ripped a lot of MP4.

[Marques]

Careful, Ellis, careful. No, but you can rip an MP4

[David]

or whatever, but if you buy Camel Marquez.

[Ellis]

Yeah, no, I.

[Marques]

That file.

[Ellis]

No, I have.

[Mariah]

This is in 2003, so I have

[Ellis]

my entire ipod class.

[Mariah]

I think it changed over time.

[David]

I could be wrong. Also.

[Ellis]

I. Yeah, I don't think they really care anymore. Apple. Drm. What would. If I was Apple, what would I call my digital rights management software? I'd call it. I'd call it Ilock, the stem something. Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious. You know Ilock is a real thing, right?

[Marques]

No. Is it. Is it a digital rights management software?

[Ellis]

No, it is. It is. You bought me one, huh? That's my eye lock, dude.

[Marques]

This one.

[Mariah]

What is that?

[Marques]

Is this for passwords?

[Ellis]

No, it's for a lot of audio. Software will not run unless that plugs into my computer.

[Marques]

Oh, same idea. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam]

Why?

[Ellis]

So I don't steal it.

[Marques]

So you're definitely the user who bought it.

[David]

It's audio software makes it kind of a DRM hardware key.

[Marques]

It's more of like a crazy no. 2 factor authentication audio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

Okay.

[Marques]

Yeah. We will think about what that DRM might have been called. Answers at the end. Brb.

[Mariah]

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[Marques]

And what is that?

[David]

Threads is introducing live chats.

[Adam]

Really?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Sick.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Explain how it works because I know what a thread is. Correct. How are we going to do live chats that are even more live than what's already happening on threads?

[David]

Yeah. So Threads notoriously has been really, really, really, really horrible for live events because it just sends you, it just shows you threads from like four days ago. But during big events like NBA Games. There will be big group chats that are spearheaded by influential community members.

[Ellis]

So it's.

[David]

It's like, I think anyone can maybe start them. I'm not sure.

[Marques]

I love this.

[Ellis]

It sounds like it's sort of like. Like Discord meets the Twitter spaces.

[David]

Sort of. Yeah. So you can limit how many people can contribute, but people can still react and vote in the polls if they are not contributing. And the chats are openly discoverable. So you can go into the section of like the live event chats and you can just see what people are talking about, which I think is really cool. I'm curious how many sort of different limits it'll have. Like, maybe we can have a studio chat that everyone can sort of react to, but maybe not chat in. So they can. It's like a live blog. It's like Verge does the live blogs for like big tech events. I think it'd be really cool if we could do our own live blog, but on threads.

[Adam]

I think that's exactly what this is. Because every time there's a live event, we pretty much just take over people's feeds. So this is a way to like contain silo it.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Well, and also make it so you can see all of it in one place instead of the way threads normally works, which is terrible.

[Marques]

So I guess I'm picturing this as like, there's an event happening. Only certain people can contribute, but I guess it's open to anyone who can view.

[David]

You can also make it so more people can contribute. Like it can be open to the community or just contained to certain people.

[Marques]

So an event is happening. Six of us are in the thread, whatever it's called, live thread. Posting about things from different angles, media, text posts or whatever. And then it's all in one place and people can jump in and jump out.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

It's our slack. But for everyone to read.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Which I think is sick. Cool. I'm pretty excited about that. I think it's gonna be cool for the events.

[Ellis]

It'd be cool if you could also

[David]

have

[Ellis]

pin certain threads accounts and then their actual thread posts appear. Like if you were doing a tech event, you could add a bunch of other tech journalists and every time one of them posts an update, it shows up in this scrolling feed.

[Marques]

You would have to assume that they're posting about that event. I guess.

[Ellis]

Yeah, you would have.

[Marques]

Cause it seems like it's the place that you're going to post.

[Ellis]

Right.

[Marques]

Like jumping in, posting or viewing and then leav when you want to coming back.

[Adam]

I mean I think you can do that, though, if you just invite them and they accept.

[Marques]

Sure. Yeah. You know.

[Ellis]

Well, I guess I was thinking like that David showed me this cool app

[David]

called Surf the Fediverse browser.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Like, I guess in my head it was sort of a Com, like Russian verse corner.

[David]

This is the Fediverse corner. We're bringing it back. It's the Russian nesting doll of the Fediverse, basically.

[Ellis]

But I was going to say, I think this is the feature that might convince me to get on threads. Maybe because, like, I'm seven lately. Well, exactly, because I've been really enjoying using social media as of late for specific things. Like, for example, like, I took Twitter off my phone. It was like rotting my brain. Now that the Sixers are in the playoffs, I want to be a part of Sixers Twitter. So I got it back. I convinced my feed to literally only show me Sixers posts. By only interacting with Sixers posts, you

[Marques]

can train it real quick.

[Ellis]

And then when the Sixers. When the Sixers win the NBA championship in June and I'm gonna delete Twitter off my phone again. And who. Get outta here, bro.

[Marques]

It's the guy wearing the Knicks hat.

[Ellis]

Yeah, of course it's the guy wearing the Knicks hat.

[David]

Serve would be really good for that, for you, to be honest, because there was a huge migration from Twitter to threads, specifically from NBA people.

[Adam]

Yeah. NBA on blue sky and threads is like a thing.

[Ellis]

Is it really?

[David]

Yeah, it's really popping on threads.

[Ellis]

But NBA Twitter is so good.

[Adam]

NBA Twitter has all the chaos and the. The dark memes. Professionals are on blue sky threads.

[Marques]

Interesting. Yeah. Do you want the professional takes? Do you want to see what Shams and those guys or like the journalists are saying? Or do you want the deepest, darkest memes from other Sixers fans are the better part.

[Ellis]

My favorite basketball journalist is Adam Aronson, who's on Twitter, but I think he's also on Blue Sky.

[David]

Yeah. Well, an event that maybe we'll be able to use this if it goes live by then, is the Android show, which is happening again this year on May 12th. Last year they showed they introduced expressive design material. Yeah, it was a seg.

[Marques]

Yeah, that was a good segue.

[David]

Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah. Last year they had the material expressive design. They had Gemini live that they showed off, which is crazy, that it's only been out for a year, which is crazy. Gemini Cross devices, they also had a device showcase where Dieter just kind of like walked around and showed all the different form factors of Android.

[Marques]

Check this out.

[David]

Yeah, so we have no idea what they're going to show this year, however, did say it was going to be one of the biggest weeks for Android ever.

[Marques]

One of the biggest weeks for Android ever.

[Mariah]

Huge for Android users.

[David]

This is big for my fellows out there.

[Adam]

Is this where Pixel Glow gets announced?

[David]

I doubt it.

[Marques]

I like the new look. I like these new icons.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, that's another segue.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Google this week did a massive gradient redesign of all its icons because Gemini, they've been slowly changing everything to be gradients instead of hard cuts. And now they redesigned almost all of their apps to have the Gemini gradient designs. And I think they look really, really good.

[Ellis]

I can.

[Adam]

They're beautiful because the previous icons all had the same, like, Google colors.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And I could not tell them apart. They were so similar.

[Marques]

Do you remember Google Drive next to Google Maps in the Dark Doc? They just look like the same next to Photos. Yeah.

[David]

Look at Google Talk. Google Talk and Google yet.

[Marques]

Gmail and Google. It was just a bunch of blocks.

[David]

It was so cool.

[Ellis]

But to be fair, those are also the same app.

[David]

Well, they. They used to be the same app and then they separated them.

[Ellis]

Yeah, but if you're in Google Messages and then you try to video call

[David]

someone, that's not Google messages.

[Ellis]

What is that?

[David]

That's Google Chat.

[Ellis]

What is Google Chat or Google Talk?

[Marques]

I don't know.

[Ellis]

How is that Google?

[Marques]

We're simulating a conversation that they have inside their own canvas.

[Ellis]

What is that? What is that? What is Google talking about?

[Marques]

How is that different from what I made? We made that.

[David]

You made that.

[Ellis]

Is that the phone one? Is that the one where you got a phone number?

[David]

No, that's. That's Google Voice.

[Marques]

Voice, yeah.

[Ellis]

Okay. Which is different than Google Talk.

[Mariah]

Why is there not just one?

[Marques]

We've had. This is. This is the last 15 years of

[David]

Google death, taxes, Google messaging apps.

[Ellis]

That's. Yeah, that's not Google Talk.

[David]

All down that hill anyway.

[Marques]

They're a little more distinguished.

[Ellis]

Google.

[David]

I don't know what that is, bro. I don't know anymore.

[Marques]

I still use.

[David]

I'm out of it.

[Adam]

Yeah. In Gmail, I believe Google Chat is what they think of as like their slack.

[Marques]

Like I am like.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah, like teams or something.

[David]

Google Chat. Yeah, it's like teams.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Mariah]

They used to have a chat thing in the email. Did they just like fully remove.

[David]

It's still in there. That was it. Yeah, yeah, it's still in Gmail, but it's also a separate app because they're trying to make it Like Microsoft Teams, they've also got Google Voice. Yeah. So, you know, I get it.

[Adam]

But more of the story icons are better now.

[David]

I just gotta say. Google keep also got a, you know, icon update, which means they did remember it exists. Wow.

[Mariah]

I thought they were gonna kill it. I'm kind of happy. It's still.

[Ellis]

No, they're gonna keep it.

[Marques]

It was on chopping.

[David]

Yo, baby.

[Marques]

We all thought it was on the chopping block because they updated tasks. Right. Or they were gone.

[David]

They did well. And they also updated the task icon.

[Marques]

Yes, they did.

[David]

It's beautiful.

[Marques]

So both people did something.

[David]

And Google Sites also.

[Ellis]

What is Google Sites?

[David]

It's a web development, like platform. It's like, it's like baby Squarespace. You don't need any of this anymore because you can just vibe code it now.

[Ellis]

Yep.

[David]

I don't really Google Sites is for sure on the shopping blog. I feel like they were like, hey, Gemini, create an app icon for that one because we're probably going to get rid of it soon.

[Marques]

A computer.

[David]

Anyway, that's pretty fun. I think this has been a long podcast, so I think that we should just actually, let's do one more really quick story. YouTube TV is now letting you do multi view layouts.

[Marques]

I like it. So I'll be able to watch, mostly watch the Knicks series and then like in a little separate view, I'll be able to be like, how much are the Sixers losing by?

[David]

Oh, come on, brother.

[Marques]

Back to check.

[Ellis]

We look.

[Adam]

Oh, my 20 points to Marquez.

[Ellis]

You do realize that we, we had. It was the. It was the largest fourth quarter comeback in NBA playoff history.

[David]

Really?

[Ellis]

Last game.

[Marques]

All right, that's props.

[Ellis]

How much I need to make sure

[Marques]

I get that like a 20. I assume that's a pretty big comeback.

[Adam]

I will just say to Ellis's point this week, I am a Sixers fan

[Ellis]

because I'd rather play.

[David]

Guys, we can't talk about basket. Like, guys, we got to stop talking about the basketball.

[Ellis]

I got to say, you and Alex are really pissing me off with that. With that stuff. Because the only reason that you're saying that is because you think we're a bad team you could beat in the second round.

[Marques]

Absolutely. You have to make a tech analogy to keep.

[David]

I would not have added this last story if I knew we were going to talk about basketball again.

[Marques]

We have to make a tech analogy to talk about ball. So if you want to talk, you can talk tech all you want. But if you're going to talk ball, how about you have like a Tech angle here.

[Ellis]

Here. The Sixers. The Sixers are like. Are like blue sky. What?

[David]

Okay, I'm going to hear this. Tell me.

[Adam]

I'm listening.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Ellis]

This guy. Super fun to look at.

[Marques]

Fediverse this.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Super fun to look at tons of crazy promises. They're like, give us time. It's never gonna actually be good. Okay, but you know what? We're all here for the ride.

[Marques]

That's valid.

[David]

You know, I'm on board.

[Adam]

I'm with you.

[Ellis]

Thank you.

[Marques]

Well, one of our best studio shorts is making tech analogies, and I think we should keep doing them. I like it.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Also, I think that's a bad analogy. Also, I like Blue Sky. I'm just meh. Because everyone here hates my freaking basketball team and my duella.

[Marques]

David relates very much about hating his team. About, like, the frustration of blue sky never going to be actually a thing. But there's so many good ideas under the surface that people will never see because they never give it a chance.

[David]

When I went. Yeah, trust the process, dude. The protocol is so good. The protocol is amazing. And when I went to. Yeah, yeah. What are you doing?

[Adam]

It's working.

[David]

Am I missing something?

[Marques]

It's working.

[David]

And when I went to atmospheric comp, like, there were so many people making really, really, really awesome things.

[Marques]

Dude, if you had a blue sky hat on right now, this would be the perfect analogy.

[Ellis]

This would be amazing. Yeah, exactly. We have.

[David]

Hey, Paul.

[Ellis]

We had.

[David]

Paul, if you. If you're hearing this, if you guys make hats, send one my way so that I can compete with Ellis's Sixers hat.

[Ellis]

Oh, my God.

[Adam]

If a hilarious little segment because it worked perfectly. David, you don't know, but that was a perfect announcement.

[Marques]

It was actually great.

[Adam]

That was great.

[Ellis]

AI was the her. Joelle Embiid is the process. And now we got vj. The protocol.

[David]

Okay, I don't.

[Marques]

That's not what they call him at all.

[David]

The last thing I want to say about this YouTube TV thing doing multiview layout, and I'm stealing this directly from Mariah where she said this in Slack.

[Ellis]

Just do it with YouTube, you cowards.

[Marques]

She's here.

[Adam]

Let her say it.

[David]

Oh, wait, actually, you want to watch

[Ellis]

two YouTube videos at once.

[David]

Mariah, say it.

[Mariah]

I was silenced. Mariah, say the one YouTube stim station. Why can't I play more than one YouTube video?

[Ellis]

I can think of like, 50 same time.

[David]

Yeah, if you can do it with

[Mariah]

TV like a bar, How a bar has it where they have, like, four games playing at the same time, why can't my house have four YouTube videos happening all on one screen.

[Ellis]

What four YouTube videos do you want to watch the same?

[Marques]

I would love to know.

[Mariah]

Are you thinking about let's play one corner podcast in the other corner.

[David]

But you killed the audio.

[Marques]

Here's something I recently learned. It's kind of the opposite of what you're asking for is YouTube knows that people watch a video on their TV and then they pull out their phone and they have their phone and they're actually looking for the next video to watch on their phone. And so they're working on better multi screen experiences where you're watching a video on your TV and you can control that video but you also can pick the next queue up the next videos you want to watch on your TV. So you're not watching two videos at point one once. But it's aware that you are using YouTube in two places at the same time and making them talk to each other.

[David]

I also think the reason they want to have multi view on YouTube TV is so that they can be shown at bars and show off multiple games at the same time.

[Marques]

Twice as many ads that as well.

[David]

And they could just lie to their advertisers that people are actually consuming those advertising.

[Ellis]

This is so crazy.

[David]

But it makes sense for bars. Makes sense for bars.

[Marques]

Yeah. Just let me split screen.

[Ellis]

We literally live in a world where it's like I want to watch this YouTube video but my attention span doesn't work well enough. So I'm going to put Subway surfers in a separate video below. Yeah, you know there's like in programming advertising for this in Amazon prime, right? Like when you watch NBA games not to bring back the basketball. I swear it's not about basketball. When you watch, when you watch NBA games on Amazon prime, the announcer like the guy who's calling the plays in the game will say, Reggie Miller. Yeah, he'll be like, you know Reggie Miller's espn stop idiot tributing. No, no, the guy who's like calling plays, he'll be like. And Embiid makes a crazy three, by the way. You can also watch another game by clicking this button on your remote. And it's like, that's crazy. Like why does the basketball man know about my remote?

[Marques]

Yeah, it does happen.

[David]

Yeah, I did watch. I watched a little bit of the second season of Fallout recently and during the ads you can just tap. It's like, buy this on Amazon. It's a one click thing during the ad where you could just click one button and a product gets shut to your House. And I was like, this is dystopia, dude.

[Ellis]

Amazon prime video is the most dystopian. When you're, like, watching a sports game and it's like, here's the betting odds baked into the ui. And you're just like, yeah, let's just do the trivia.

[David]

Let's just do the trivia. It's been a long day. Bring it on, baby.

[Adam]

Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Marquez with 21. Andrew, who is not here, with 22. David 26. And Ellis with 0.

[Ellis]

Wait, should my points go to

[Marques]

Sense?

[Ellis]

I got you.

[Marques]

Does he, though?

[Adam]

No. First question. What does GSM stand for?

[Marques]

You know how I thought I knew it earlier?

[Adam]

How do you think you knew it?

[Marques]

I actually don't know.

[David]

I don't know at all. I should know this. I should really know this.

[Adam]

I think if you guys use your imagination, you could figure it out.

[Ellis]

Do we get one point per correct letter?

[Marques]

No, that would be crazy. I can't afford to go behind by that many points.

[Adam]

All right, flip them and read. What do you got?

[David]

I really should know this. This is crazy.

[Marques]

Ellis is way over.

[Adam]

Ellis, you're still writing.

[Marques]

Ellis has read both of our answers and is now writing Easy. This is normally a disqualification.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it's fine. It's for the meme.

[David]

It's fine.

[Ellis]

All right.

[Adam]

What'd you guys got?

[Marques]

I'm guessing. So I wrote some generic terms down. I said general service module.

[Ellis]

Oh, that's good.

[Adam]

No, that is good.

[Marques]

I tried.

[David]

I wrote Global serialized Mobile.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

I don't know.

[Marques]

Close.

[David]

Really?

[Marques]

Ish. Oh, Global.

[David]

Two out of three.

[Marques]

I think Global is probably right.

[Adam]

Yeah, Global is correct.

[Ellis]

I put Global shy Gilgis Alexander Mobile.

[Marques]

Correct.

[Adam]

The correct answer was Global system for mobile communication.

[Ellis]

Oh, wait, are you serious? That's what I.

[Adam]

That's what you put first.

[Ellis]

That's what I put. And I was like, global system Mobile doesn't make any sense. Are you kidding?

[Adam]

So I said you had to use your imagination, Andrew.

[Ellis]

I'm sorry.

[Marques]

Damn.

[David]

Are you doing this for Andrew's points?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Mariah]

All right, gamers. This week in history, itunes was launched. What was the name of Apple's proprietary DRM system enforcing playback restrictions?

[Ellis]

Can we have a hint?

[Mariah]

No.

[Ellis]

God damn.

[Marques]

None of us are gonna get it.

[Ellis]

You sound like me, literally.

[David]

This is a really hard question.

[Mariah]

I had a softball question before this. I wanted to go harder.

[Marques]

It's gonna be the same points.

[David]

We literally never get points on this podcast, so I can give you my

[Mariah]

other one as well if you want it after.

[David]

I would do that.

[Adam]

That's fair.

[Mariah]

Thought you guys were nerds.

[David]

You should know this internal DRM nomenclature.

[Marques]

What are you talking about?

[Ellis]

I should know this?

[Marques]

Yeah. I thought Ellis might know it. If I were to guess, I'd put best odds on Ellis, but I'm not gonna get it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

All right.

[David]

I put itunes, secure payments.

[Ellis]

I put he protec.

[Marques]

I put no ownership for you. What the.

[Mariah]

Oh, you're all so close. It was called fair play.

[David]

Oh, like share play and airplay.

[Marques]

They would call it something fair.

[David]

As if it's fair.

[Marques]

It's funny.

[Ellis]

I mean, it's more fair than spot.

[David]

Yeah, it's more fair than all streaming services.

[Ellis]

Can I have the erase?

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Can we do one more question?

[Mariah]

You want the honorable.

[David]

Do the honorable mentions.

[Marques]

I would like someone to get one point.

[Mariah]

Okay.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

All right.

[Mariah]

You guys should definitely get this one. And if you don't, I don't know.

[David]

What's the name of Tim cook's father?

[Mariah]

Daddy.

[Ellis]

Mr. Cook.

[Marques]

I met someone from Alabama on my recent trip, and I was prepared with the fun fact that Tim Cook is from Alabama.

[David]

Did you tell them?

[Marques]

Yes, I did. And he was like, did they like it? And they were like, oh, I didn't know because they were from Alabama. They're like, there's not that much. Sorry. Arkansas. And they were like, there's not that much star from Arkansas. We have this one thing with Walmart and this other thing. And I was like, tim Cook's from Arkansas.

[Mariah]

No, he's from. He's from Alabama.

[Ellis]

He's not. He's from Alabama.

[Adam]

Alabama.

[Marques]

I guess I didn't retain that information as well as I was hoping.

[David]

That was last week's question.

[Marques]

That is last week. Huh? Damn.

[David]

It doesn't get better than this, folks. No, do not cut that. It doesn't get better than this. All right, give us your softball Google

[Marques]

and be like, he totally thinks Alabama and Arkansas are the same now.

[David]

They're just going to believe you, bro. That's not a thing that I think they want to fact check you song.

[Mariah]

They do go, Alabama, Arkansas.

[Marques]

Right.

[David]

It's because they're both a.

[Marques]

They're next to each other.

[David]

Yeah, they're next to each. Are they actually next to each other?

[Marques]

I think so.

[David]

That makes sense because I don't know where else they'd be. All right, all right.

[Mariah]

Bonus question.

[Ellis]

Bonus.

[Mariah]

My question for you is, which year of WWDC introduced dark mode to iOS?

[David]

Oh, my God.

[Ellis]

Is it prices? Right?

[David]

That's not an easy question.

[Mariah]

Come on. You should know this.

[Ellis]

What are we doing? Delta or Price is Right?

[David]

Dark mode.

[Mariah]

I mean, if you're within like a. No. Get it right or don't.

[Marques]

What year?

[Ellis]

Wow.

[Marques]

What year?

[David]

Even remember.

[Marques]

I got to count back. Oh, God.

[Mariah]

So like. Yeah.

[David]

Wait. Dark mode. Oh, hurry up, hurry up.

[Mariah]

I thought Marquez would know, cuz he loves dark mode.

[Marques]

I do, but I didn't. I have a reason why. I have my guess, but I'm not sure it's really right.

[Ellis]

David's Mine is bigger. That means it's more right.

[Mariah]

All right, gamers. Ellis, what do you got?

[Ellis]

I put 2019. Let's go.

[David]

Is that really right?

[Marques]

I also put a smaller 2019.

[Mariah]

David, what'd you put?

[Marques]

I can tell you why I thought it was 2019. My logic, because I didn't remember. Wait, y was. I tried to pick the iPhone that was most likely to ship with dark

[David]

mode, And I found iPhone 7. That's what I thought.

[Marques]

The jet black iPhone 8. So I went back, counted back from 17 to 8. So minus 9.

[Ellis]

Whoa.

[Adam]

Wow.

[Ellis]

So you did the math wrong.

[Marques]

I did the math wrong.

[David]

It's like the teacher. It's like you did this wrong, but you somehow ended up with the right answer.

[Marques]

If you said show your work, I would get it wrong, but I landed on the same number Ellis did, and that's what happens.

[David]

Okay, I was thinking about the dark mode, the automatic dark mode icons, which only happened a few years ago.

[Marques]

That was like two years ago.

[David]

Yeah, 2023 or 2024, I was thinking.

[Ellis]

And I.

[David]

That's what I was thinking.

[Ellis]

I thought, what year did Apple not really release anything at all.

[Marques]

And that's a great. Yes.

[David]

Fair enough.

[Marques]

Hey, we got the right answers. Dang. I'll take the points. Andrew will take the points.

[David]

Wait, that was. That was like a fake question, right?

[Marques]

No, we needed Andrew.

[Ellis]

I got you, bro.

[Marques]

Very nice.

[David]

All right.

[Marques]

Hey, thanks for watching. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for subscribing, of course, and for sticking to us with the video version so you can see all the hats we're wearing every.

[David]

Every episode.

[Marques]

I'm sure next week we'll have different hats, Paul.

[David]

Good night.

[Marques]

We will catch you next week with our regularly scheduled programming. See you later.

[David]

Wayfearn is produced by Adam Malia and Ellis Robin, and this week by Mariah Zenk. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast network, and our intro outro music is produced by Vapor Dane Sill.

[Marques]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think I can name all the planets.

[David]

Nice.

[Marques]

I wonder how long people are going to you know how people still think Jeff Bezos is the CEO of Amazon? How long are people still going to think Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple?

[Mariah]

Who The CEO of Amazon.

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