CES 2026 Actually Has Some Bangers?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast – Summary

Episode: CES 2026 Actually Has Some Bangers?

Date: January 9, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Ellis, Eric

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Episode Overview

The first episode of 2026 dives into the latest—and surprisingly good—tech reveals from CES 2026, alongside lively discussions about ambitious (and questionable) AR startups, long-awaited gadget upgrades, and bold predictions for the coming year. Marques and the team balance excitement with critical perspective, scrutinizing hyped products and sharing honest impressions.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Catching Up: Personal Tech Upgrades & MKBHD’s Hasselblad Story

• Ellis upgrades from iPhone 12 Mini to iPhone 17 Pro (01:22–08:13)
  • Jumps five generations, marvels at battery life and camera controls.
  • “You wait as long as you possibly can until your phone is on its dying breath.” – Marques (02:48)
  • Team reminisces about phone struggles and the weirdness of muscle memory after a big upgrade.
• Marques finally receives backordered Hasselblad X2D Mark II camera (10:54–14:13)
  • Story of six months’ wait, possible order prioritization mishaps at B&H.
  • Raises questions about order fulfillment bias for high-demand gear.

2. News Bites: Key Tech Industry Updates

• Pixel users rejoice: Can finally toggle off “At a glance” (14:24–15:32)
  • Podcast team reacts to a long-campaigned-for Pixel feature.
• ASUS Cancels Zenfone and ROG Phone for 2026 (15:32–17:13)
  • No new models this year, sparking discussion on the pitfalls of mainstreaming niche devices.
  • “When you’re for everyone, you’re for no one. That’s what they say.” – Eric (17:13)

3. AR Glasses Startup “Pickle” – Deep Dive

Product Pitch & Hype

• Pickle: AR ‘Soul Computer’ Glasses (17:39–21:57)
  • Announced Jan 1, viral due to over-the-top claims: world’s lightest PC, 12hr+ battery, AI-driven, context-aware overlays.
  • “This is a computer for the soul... a technology I think would be really cool.” – Marques (18:01)

Vaporware Red Flags

• Community skepticism and Twitter wars (24:24–26:46, 28:32–30:10)
  • Engineers and skeptics debunk battery claims, field of view, possible over-promising.
  • CEO responds: Glasses primarily offload compute to your phone, not as standalone as implied.
  • Demo videos shown to be largely After Effects overlays, not live product capabilities.

General Skepticism Around AR Hardware Launches & Marketing

• The meta-narrative: Over-produced, Apple-inspired marketing often hides unfinished/over-promised products (36:25–40:00).
  • “Sell you on the two-years-later version... only possible if you believe us and you all get in now.” – Marques (39:53)
  • Debate: Should startups be more transparent about their stage and limitations?
  • All agree: don’t buy v1 for promised future upgrades!
• Comparative Insight: Meta and Snap approached AR launches with more transparency and workable demos (43:14–44:21).

4. CES 2026 – “Actual Bangers”

a. LEGO Smart Bricks (52:41–60:08)

• LEGO debuts Bluetooth/NFC-enabled bricks—interactive, audio/visual/reactive, mesh network capabilities, not AI-driven.
  • “This is unequivocally... the best story of CES.” – Marques (56:49)
  • Playful discussion on implications for creativity, open-ended usage versus set-specific features.

b. Other Notable Tech from CES

• Ugreen AI NAS (storage server with semantic ML tagging/search) (62:00–64:10)
• Large-format color e-paper frames (64:26–66:15)
• Corsair Galleon keyboard with integrated Stream Deck (66:30–67:43)
• Razer Project Ava: “AI Companion” Desk Hologram (68:08–76:46)
  • Powered by Grok, questionable “3D hologram” claims.
• Samsung 130” Timeless Frame TV & Frame TV knock-offs (77:09–81:47)
• Motorola and Lenovo: Rollable screens, foldables, concept devices (89:18–93:00)

c. Fun & Weird:

• Seattle Ultrasonics Chef’s Knife (vibrates at 33kHz for easier cutting) (82:21–88:58)
  • Hosts both laugh and marvel at demonstration videos.

5. Startups & Niche Hardware

Clicks – Physical Keyboard Powerbank & Communicator Phone (94:00–112:14)

• Clicks Power Keyboard: MagSafe/Chi2-attached battery pack with physical keyboard and Bluetooth multi-device support.
• Clicks Communicator: A “communicator phone” (square display, physical keyboard, notification LED, all the nerdy stuff).
  • Product strategy discussion: Smart to avoid flagship camera/processor arms race.
  • Practical debate: Weekend “focus phone,” can it be a main device? Various notification and convenience features geek out.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When you’re for everyone, you’re for no one. That’s what they say.” – Eric (17:13)
• “This is unequivocally... the best story of CES.” – Marques on LEGO smart bricks (56:49)
• “This is an ad is the bottom line.” – Eric, critiquing over-produced AR startup launches (39:27)
• “Don’t buy a product based on the promise of future updates.” – Marques (44:28)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Description | Timestamp | |---|---|---| | Ellis upgrades phone | Moving from iPhone 12 Mini to 17 Pro, battery/camera chat | 01:22–08:13 | | Marques’ Hasselblad story | 6-month wait for camera, order fulfillment shenanigans | 10:54–14:13 | | Pixel ‘At a glance’ toggle | Long-awaited feature becomes reality | 14:24–15:32 | | Zenfone & ROG Phone hiatus | ASUS suspends new models, niche-to-mainstream critique | 15:32–17:13 | | Pickle AR Glasses saga | From launch hype to vaporware accusations | 17:39–44:00 | | LEGO smart bricks | CES “actual banger” – brick computing and mesh networks | 52:41–60:08 | | Razer Project Ava | AI hologram companion (snarky team analysis) | 68:08–76:46 | | Weird at CES | AI chef’s knife segment | 82:21–88:58 | | Clicks keyboard/communicator | Physical phone keyboard returns, startup hardware insight | 94:00–112:14 |

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2026 Predictions & Friendly Bets (118:19–145:10)

• Will certain products ship? Team places predictions (e.g., “Cyber Cab won’t ship” – Marques, 119:05).
• No folding iPhone in 2026? Andrew bets against it (120:30).
• Silicon carbon batteries in Apple/Samsung? Most say not this year (126:31).
• Pixel 11 redesign? Debate over what counts as a redesign (127:28).
• Phone of the Year picks: OnePlus 16 (Andrew), Pixel (Marques), OnePlus 18 (Eric), iPhone Fold (Caller/Ellis).
• Which Google product gets killed in 2026? NotebooksLM, Google Assistant, AI Overview, Project Starline, YouTube voice comments.

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Fun & Trivia

• Tech trivia returns: ASUS Padfone vs. Phonepad (answered around 145:21–147:29), most expensive LEGO set, and legendary “LEGO is the world’s biggest tire manufacturer” factoid (151:02).

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Tone & Style

The team’s energy is lively, nerdy, and approachable, with honest banter and critical takes. They poke fun at marketing absurdities but get genuinely excited for well-executed, tangible products. Both skepticism and optimism are given voice—especially as the team reflects on industry patterns of hype, vaporware, and which launches to trust.

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Episode Takeaways

• Best of CES: LEGO’s smart bricks—fun, approachable, and actually shipping.
• Gimmicks vs. Reality: Vaporware still rampant, especially in AR/AI hardware. The team urges listeners: “Wait for real reviews, not promises.”
• Emergent Nostalgia: Physical keyboards, notification LEDs, and clever form factors are making a comeback—for a niche but enthusiastic market.
• Industry’s Growing Pains: Startups and big companies alike keep over-promising, under-delivering. Meanwhile, user trust is eroding.
• 2026 Predictions: Still more questions than answers, but the team is keeping track for a year-end scorecard.

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For gadget lovers, skeptics, and tech futurists alike, CES 2026 proved there were actual bangers—and a bunch of questionable ambitions. Stay tuned: the next hardware surprise, or vaporware flop, may be just around the corner.

Transcript

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[Marques Brownlee]

This is awesome. And this is also among all the AI and over promising and random crap that we see at ces. This is just a real thing. That is just great. It's just great.

[Andrew]

Specifically said, there is no AI in this product at all.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[Andrew]

I'm Andrew.

[Eric]

And I'm David.

[Marques Brownlee]

First episode of 2026.

[Ellis]

Bingo.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's good to be back. It's really good to be back. And since we took the last week of the year off, there's actually a ton of stuff to talk about, like a metric, and it's ces, so we. We have plenty of that. We also have an AR glasses startup that's in a bit of a pickle. You'll get that.

[Eric]

Wait, Adam's got it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Thank you.

[Eric]

Thank you. Sorry, I'm a little rusty.

[Marques Brownlee]

Ces, of course. But also, we're gonna wrap it up with some 2026 predictions because it's the first episode of the year and we like to do that sort of stuff. It's been like two weeks since we had our first. But first.

[Ellis]

But first, Ellis, someone asked me my battery percentage.

[Marques Brownlee]

What's your battery percentage now?

[Ellis]

My battery percentage is 41%, but not for the reason you think.

[Marques Brownlee]

What happened, Ellis?

[Ellis]

What's seen from my Instagram slash Reddit?

[Marques Brownlee]

What is it?

[Caller]

Pause for dramatic effect.

[Ellis]

This guy, this purple guy.

[Eric]

Were you sitting on that?

[Ellis]

He's laid to rest the iPhone.

[Andrew]

Mini, people.

[Ellis]

Beautiful iPhone 12. Mini. No case, purple finish. 64 gigabytes. She's done.

[Marques Brownlee]

No longer.

[Ellis]

We now have. Oh, the silver 17.

[Eric]

You got the exact correct model.

[Ellis]

It's beautiful.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is a massive change for you.

[Ellis]

It's crazy how much I missed. I jumped five generations of iPhone in one day.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is what it's all about. You wait as long as you possibly can until your phone is on its dying breath.

[Ellis]

Yes. It's crazy, dude. I am downloading apps. Like, I think of an app. I'm walking down the street. I'm like the Target app. I shop at Target on my phone now. It's crazy. You guys, what is the.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you're at 46% because you didn't charge it?

[Ellis]

Because I never need to charge this phone. I'm never charging it, I swear. And then. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. I go to sleep with it in my hand. Wake up, there's still like 50% battery life left.

[Eric]

Fall asleep watching reels.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm on the same. This is a tangent, but I haven't charged the OnePlus 15 since two days ago. It's at 52% because I just don't charge it.

[Ellis]

No, it's sick. You go over to your girlfriend's house and you're like, I left a phone charger at home. Doesn't matter.

[Marques Brownlee]

Who cares?

[Ellis]

Literally, who cares?

[Eric]

But your girlfriend doesn't have a USB C charger.

[Ellis]

Doesn't matter if she does or doesn't. I didn't even ask.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not even worried.

[Eric]

Yeah,

[Ellis]

Camera control.

[Eric]

I like it just to open the camera.

[Andrew]

You don't deserve that phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

How long have you. So camera control is really nice. For the first two weeks, I would say.

[Eric]

I just use it to open the camera.

[Marques Brownlee]

Same.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

So I actually have it set to open the Moment Pro camera, which the slider doesn't interact with.

[Andrew]

Smart.

[Ellis]

In the actual Apple camera app. I use it all the time, though, and I have it because. You know how you can order the. You can turn on or off different things. It controls.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

And then you can also change what it controls by default and the order of the options in the menu and once you have that tuned. Because I'm always changing the exposure of

[Marques Brownlee]

the Apple camera to do tone, and I just thought I was going to use that all the time, and then I just stopped using it.

[Ellis]

Oh, I use it. I love it. I'm a camera control demon.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. All right.

[Ellis]

Action button. I'm kind of so, so on.

[Caller]

I'll just wait.

[Ellis]

I just haven't. I haven't found a thing that I'm

[Marques Brownlee]

like, I would like to start the countdown. Timer until this flips.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Where you're an action button demon and you're like, I'm kind of done with camera control. I just kind of point and shoot and the photos are all pretty good, but action. Oh, I can't live without the action button anymore.

[Ellis]

Really. What is your action button set to?

[Marques Brownlee]

It opens my to do list app. Formerly was opening my camera app, but there's just so many ways to open the camera.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it's true.

[Eric]

I gotta say, I haven't used my action button in a while. It is. It is tied to Gemini voice mode.

[Andrew]

That's why.

[Eric]

And I just don't use that very much anymore.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Wait, can any of you shortcuts people. Yeah, no, that is what the action button is for.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Whatever Apple gave you, ignore it. Just make it shortcuts.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a good take. Listen, it's just shortcuts aren't that good yet.

[Andrew]

We all know what the iPhone 17 Pro is. We did a review on it. Why? What broke the camel's back. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like we've been.

[Eric]

Wait for the full.

[Andrew]

We've been doing this for like two years of when are you gonna upgrade? And no one's asked you the question of like why it was. What happened?

[Ellis]

There was something, let's see. It was the end of the year. It was cold.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

We were about to go on break.

[Eric]

The battery is even worse when it's cold.

[Ellis]

I hadn't gotten sick yet. I was like sick all the whole holidays. There was some. I don't remember, there was something where like I needed to do something or that was like only in an app and my phone just like would not download it or like it was the thing because like the. I think I've mentioned this a bunch of times, but the, the biggest problem with the 12 Mini in its current state was that the digitizer was so bad. It was the memory. It was just having so much trouble memory swapping. And so the digitizer was always crashing. And so it was like 60% of my touch inputs would either just not register or register in a completely random wrong place. And then if any of. If any of the screen conditions changed, like for example, like a drop of water or a speck of dust like hit any part of the screen and the capacitance changed. I would have to fully lock and unlock the phone for the digitizer to like reset.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like using a phone underwater and it kind of.

[Ellis]

Right. And then like, you know what it really was, you know what broke the camel's back actually it was. The memory swap had gotten so bad that most of the time the lock and unlock button, it wouldn't recognize presses. Like the button itself was fine. It was that, like, the command was so late. And then I'd get frustrated and I'd like hit it a bunch of times, which would trigger Siri.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, that's distraught.

[Eric]

Why do you have Siri on?

[Ellis]

And then Siri would.

[Andrew]

Siri always has been.

[Ellis]

Siri uses so much RAM that the memory swap would entirely fail and the phone would just crash. And so I'd be in the process of trying to lock my phone so I could put it in my pocket and end up just like fully crashing it and boot cycling it. And I was just like. And I just realized, like, I wasn't gonna make it another calendar.

[Eric]

How do you feel about the size now that you're. I.

[Ellis]

You know what's really funny is the first week or two I had it, I was so convinced they accidentally sold me the promax.

[Andrew]

I was like, this thing is gigantic.

[Ellis]

I kept going into my phone and, like, looking at, like, the. About me to be like, it's a pro. It says pro. And then I'd look at the box and be like, but it says, I'm sure it's a pro. And then I'd see someone on like a plane or on the street and be like, their pro looks in it.

[Andrew]

It looks.

[Ellis]

It looks smaller than mine.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have that.

[Eric]

It's funny because when I handle a regular Pro, I'm like, this is the tiniest phone I've ever held in my life.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I'm totally used to it now. This feels tiny. And also what's really funny is they're pretty similar weights. That is funny with the unibody, you know?

[Eric]

You know, the titanium would have even been 10% lighter.

[Andrew]

Did you ever play Mario Party 2?

[Ellis]

No.

[Andrew]

Not a million years old.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Andrew]

There's a game called Dizzy Dancing where, like, all the controls are backwards.

[Ellis]

Oh, I do.

[Andrew]

And that's what it sounds like. Using your 12 mini was like, just like every time you try and do something, it does the opposite.

[Eric]

Speaking of all the controls being backwards really quick. So I'm using a 2008 Mac Pro at home.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's running Mac OS Yosemite.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's almost 20 years old.

[Eric]

It's air gapped.

[Ellis]

Is Yosemite is the first you can almost drink. Wait, is there somebody after High Sierra? No, it's before. So you're still running 32 bit apps?

[Eric]

That's right. Well, I'm not running any apps on my computer. But for some reason the mouse decided that left is right, up is still up, and down is still down, but left is right and right is left.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is this a Logitech mouse?

[Andrew]

No.

[Ellis]

You can fix that in the settings.

[Marques Brownlee]

A magic mouse?

[Eric]

No, it's like a default.

[Ellis]

No, it's in the Mac OS settings. You can fix that.

[Eric]

When I move the mouse to the right, it goes left.

[Ellis]

They built that? No, that's. That's. For some reason.

[Eric]

Are you sure?

[Ellis]

I remember. I remember like when you're a kid and your computer doesn't have any games and so you just. With the settings and all day. I remember finding.

[Eric]

Because it was very normal for the last year. And then I woke up one day and I was like, wait, what kind

[Marques Brownlee]

of mouse is this?

[Eric]

It's literally like the cheapest. Like, I think it's. What is the best buy, like in Insignia.

[Andrew]

Oh, it's horrible. That might just be the mouse.

[Eric]

Well, yeah, I mean, I think it. I think something happened in the mouse.

[Marques Brownlee]

I knew someone who was lefty who used a righty mouse upside down in their little left hand.

[Eric]

Stop. So they clicked it with their palm.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Ew. It was a whole. Anyway.

[Eric]

Okay. All right, well.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I. I do have one more thing.

[Andrew]

Okay. I have something also.

[Caller]

Oh, great.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cuz we went a long time without our.

[Andrew]

We all have Z, by the way. No, it's literally all. Okay, the. The mouse thing was everything else.

[Ellis]

I need to close out this by saying there were so many people that even when I teased the fact that I got a new phone, like reached out in agony. Like the amount of comments I got that we're just like, no, no, no.

[Eric]

So I think we should have a burial frame it.

[Andrew]

Glue it to the.

[Ellis]

Yeah, the thing behind you. I have a framed. A framed picture of this with an over it in the audio room. And then I'll probably just not charge my phone on Tuesday night. So you can still ask me what my battery percentage.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hell yeah.

[Ellis]

So we can keep it going. I'd have to be a degenerate somehow.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's going to be awesome. Yeah, we should just have it behind you.

[Ellis]

But I'm sorry to everyone who wanted to see my life continue to suck

[Eric]

to all my haters.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I have. My quick story is I finally got the Hasselblad X2D Mark II.

[Ellis]

Bingo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Now you might be wondering, Marques, how did you get it? What was going on? The long backstory is I ordered the Hasselblad X2D Mark II and the 35, 100 from B and H in August of last year. So it's been six months since I placed my order. So waiting, waiting, waiting. And it says like, yes, it's a new item, it's back order, it's in high demand. Like, we'll get to your order in the order it was received, fine. I get an order saying, oh, expect your order sometime in September. In this rough section of weeks that time comes and goes, they send me another update, automated saying, actually, December, sometime in this span in December. I said, all right, you know what? Fine. And I had my review unit, it was fine. I said, I'll wait. That span in December comes and goes. I get another automated email saying, sometime in January. Now it's the second week of January. I'm starting to think, I don't know if I'm going to get this order from B and H or not. Maybe I should just cancel this and try Adorama or something else, someone else might have it in stock. I start poking around, seeing who has it in stock. On Monday of this week, I call B and H and I go, hey, I have this order in my account. You gotta scroll down a little bit. It's from August, six months ago. It's for this Hasselblad camera. Do you know anything about this order? If there's any update of when I might get it? The guy pauses for a second, he goes, oh, yeah, this house of blood. Hold on, give me one second real quick. Oh yeah, looks like it just got to us today and we'll be shipping out to you tomorrow, Cap.

[Andrew]

Yeah, there's no way that happened. What?

[Eric]

They forgot about you, Marques, they forgot about you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sure enough, yesterday it shipped, today it

[Eric]

arrived, they forgot about your order. So 100%, either all you had to

[Caller]

do was call this whole time, either

[Marques Brownlee]

it was an unbelievable coincidence, or they have it set up to where? These are very, very backordered. But if you don't call, they just don't prioritize you. But if you do call, then they'll front you in the queue and maybe if they recognize your name, they put you at the top of the list or something. But like, I called and they went, oh, yeah, yeah, shipping tomorrow. That sounded like incredibly suspicious to me.

[Andrew]

I guess they forgot.

[Marques Brownlee]

How do you forget? They've never forgotten an order from me.

[Eric]

Well, honestly, don't even take orders on Saturdays, to be fair, online you can't even order something.

[Marques Brownlee]

But they've been sending me those automated, backordered, please wait emails. So they had it in the system, it was just a matter of.

[Andrew]

Truthfully, I would. I guess I was saying I don't think they have the priority queue. My guess is if it was a mistake, they forgot. I actually weirdly believe that it was a coincidence.

[Marques Brownlee]

My first BNH has been so good with us, and they're right across the river. Every time I order something, the next day, it shows up. If it's in stock, it shows up super fast. This is a rare, high demand backordered item with reviews trickling in from people getting it. And I was just like, when am I gonna get mine?

[Andrew]

And people being scared it might not come because of the DJI ban.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Hasselblad, for those who don't know, is owned by dji. And there's at least some sort of DJI ban on new products. But this is not a new product. It's six months old, as we know. So the ban's coming on now, but the product is not new anymore. So it was confusing. But, hey, that's my update. It showed up. I took it out the box today.

[Eric]

Oh, so it came in.

[Marques Brownlee]

It came in.

[Eric]

Oh, literally like 20 minutes.

[Marques Brownlee]

I unboxed it 20 minutes ago.

[Andrew]

Nice.

[Caller]

He literally unboxed it and then is like, all right, I'm ready to pop.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just had to open it and look at it.

[Eric]

It's really.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes. Very nice. Very nice.

[Andrew]

I have a quick thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Nothing personal. Well, it's kind of personal. Oh, it's not really that personal. This happened. We recorded Wednesday, like, two weeks ago. This got released on Thursday. Our episode came out Friday, but we missed it. But people in our discord were upset

[Eric]

that we didn't talk about it.

[Andrew]

They weren't upset. They were just like, look what happened. Look what happened. Android QPR3 beta 1 is allowing Pixel users to toggle off at a glance on your home screen.

[Marques Brownlee]

They finally did it.

[Andrew]

Let's go. It's the best thing ever.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, man. This would be the biggest news of the day. There was a still daily Pixel.

[Eric]

Yeah, there was like a. There was a Reddit post a few weeks ago that was like, why hasn't the Waveform podcast talked about how you can toggle off.

[Andrew]

Wait, what was.

[Eric]

And I was like, okay, we have talked about this so many times. First of all, second of all, it is going to happen in, like, a week. You got to read the news.

[Andrew]

There was very specifically like, why didn't they talk about this? And all the comments were like, andrew,

[Eric]

every other week.

[Andrew]

Stop.

[Caller]

Every week there's a count there.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, that's incredible.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, shout out to the pixel dahlias out there. All right, so it's 2026. What's happening in 2026? First item, I would consider bad news, but it is. The ROG phone and the Zen Phone are no more. At least for 2026. Yeah, they're not discontinued, but they're not going to do a new one for 2026.

[Andrew]

The headlines are great at baiting this.

[Eric]

Pretty dim.

[Andrew]

It was like the Zen Phone and Rog Phone are discontinued in 2026. That's like. Wait a minute.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's almost like when a player is suspended with no definitive return date.

[Eric]

Indefinitely.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, indefinitely. It's an indefinite thing. So it's like, oh, for 2026, it's not coming back. But they're not saying There is a 2027. We're just going to have to play it by ear. And the Zenfone was effectively canceled. Like, they made this new Zenfone Ultra last year and it was not even close to the same type of thing. So, yeah, down goes that. Down goes Rog Phone. Right. As they were kind of becoming a mainstream phone, they were kind of like taking the teeth out of it, and it was sort of a gaming issue.

[Eric]

Maybe they just saw that the Rog conversion to a normie phone did not work. Maybe that's what they were saying.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was kind of. You know how eventually every enthusiast device becomes the opposite of what you want? It was kind of that, like, it was very much the gaming phone for a while, and then they decided they wanted to sell it to more people, and they kind of added wireless charging and made the screen on the back a little smaller and a little bit softer and a little bit less aggressive. And suddenly it's just a phone. Yeah. And so those cameras. People who wanted the gaming phone didn't buy it. But people who wanted a regular phone weren't about to go get an RG phone, so it just kind of fizzled. And now here we are.

[Eric]

When you're for everyone, you're for no one. That's what they say.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's bars.

[Caller]

I thought it was. If you stand for nothing, then what will you fall for?

[Marques Brownlee]

Also bars. I'd fall for you. If everyone is good, then no one is good. No, True.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I guess. Speaking of pickles,

[Eric]

I'm just saying. I think what I said is a real quote.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right. What happened with this pickle?

[Andrew]

Do we want to get into the pickle?

[Eric]

This is a big thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

I am aware of the pickle situation solely by. I can't believe I said this sentence. I'm aware of the Pickle situation solely by like a handful of tweets. All I've seen is first there was an announcement of a new AR headset, glasses headset called [e-mail].

[Eric]

yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it had this really long, like five minute hype video about how this is a computer for the soul. And it was this full, you know, AR experience with this wide field of view and 12 hour battery life and all this amazing stuff. And I am being tagged constantly in comments about it. Marques, Marques, Marques, Marques. Look at this thing. This is probably not real. And so I went ahead to pickle.com and placed my pre order because I am the type of person that gives it the benefit of the doubt. I understand the. What's the opposite of that? When you're like you don't believe something cynical. I understand the cynical version of this, which is, this is fake. This is a scam. I don't believe anything that's coming out of these people's mouths. But yeah, I'm, I'm supposed to be giving everything a fair shot. I'm a tech reviewer. Why go pre order an Apple product and then not go pre order the Pickle product? Which could be, which could be maybe

[Eric]

because of the name.

[Marques Brownlee]

Could be awesome, right? So I watched the video. This looks really interesting. It's a technology I think would be really cool. I pre order, right. I give them my money. I think it's like $200.

[Andrew]

Before you get to that, do you want me to do I have like a rundown of what the mixes are? Yeah, yeah. Let me.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you can give like the high levels.

[Andrew]

I'm going to try and go pretty quick here. Sure.

[Eric]

Also why it's called. Do you know why it's called?

[Andrew]

No. All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Clever, I guess.

[Andrew]

Okay, so not really. Let's see. This. This launched on January 1st. The, the video that kind of went around and it was making its rounds on Twitter all over the place. Partially because Twitter is like super optimistic about any tech that they could pretend to invest in and also really cynical about tech because of people like humane that just scammed a bunch of people. So these glasses, they're AR glasses, they call them a soul computer, whatever the that means. And like the easiest way to describe them is. Do you know those like silver Oakley 90s sunglasses, like Imagine those without a bottom, like the, the. They're really sleek looking, pretty modern. They kind of have like two black boxes for some sort of sensor, presumably on the Side but they're very small, very sleek. So they claim that in this video they released, they kind of do a keynote, sort of keynote presentation about what they are. They claim they're 68 grams. They claim they have one of the widest field of views and brightnesses designed for everyday life. It shows examples of how it might be used. Maybe you're like looking at designs on cookies or you're looking at a guitar on how to play a certain song and it's showing the things in your field of view. They then say it's the lightest personal computer in history. Remember that line later? And it's AI focused, but in this way that's like it wants to ask you questions before you would ask it questions.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So the examples they used were like you, your plane lands and you get your baggage and you're like walking out to the door and it's like, do you want me to call you a ride share? Or was the other one they said, oh, it's like she's about to throw out this toy. And it's like, no, look at all these pictures of blah, blah, blah. That's their favorite toy. Like don't do that so bad because that's. Parents need to AI to tell them what toy their kids favorite is.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And so yeah, they show like a live demo where this, their big thing is all this AI is behind these like avatars which there was like a cat, there was a music note, there was some like anime girl. There's a lot of weird things, but I didn't think that was the weirdest part of it, honestly. And then they have something called Pickle OS which is a memory based operating system where it seems along the lines of it like it watches what you're doing and creates these like memory bubbles that then go to Pickle OS and then you can go to like pickle.com and go to Pickle OS there and there's this like huge web of like memory bubbles and then the AI in that will use those as context.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

It felt sounds like the Rabbit OS thing.

[Andrew]

I thought it sounded like a rabbit hole. A rabbit hole. Because they like that.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think the thing that got this was the idea of augmenting, improving human life in general and doing it through something that you wear. So you're always wearing it and it's always collecting information. It requires something that can last all day and actually that you wear all day. So I don't know if you saw Razer at CES just announced an AR AI headset. Of headphones with cameras on them and it's like they can still see what's in front of you and that you have all these experiences and a longer battery life because it's headphones and all that. But it's like I'm not going to walk around wearing massive headphones all day. So this is a pair of glasses that theoretically someone might want to actually wear all day. And so it collects your memories all day and it can help you out with the AR display in your field of view all day, which is like an interesting idea for a product.

[Andrew]

I mean, yeah, that's what everyone wants to do right now. Everyone wants to be your memory.

[Marques Brownlee]

But you might also remember the AR glasses that I reviewed or at least showed from Meta have like a 3 hour battery life or something like that. Like there's no way those would last all day. They're also a little too heavy to wear all day. So pickle comes along. This is a company we've never heard of, with a bunch of people we've never seen before that are claiming all these world's firsts and a 12 hour battery life and being lighter than anything we've ever seen. So it comes across really hard to believe, but it's still an interesting idea for a product. That's where I landed with it.

[Andrew]

Yeah. So it's going to be $1,400, but there's a like early adopter, 800 or $900 pre order right now with a refundable $200 deposit. They're claiming batch two should be out by Q4, 2026. So that's a pretty in a year. Yeah, that's optimistic.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's both optimistic and annoyingly far out. Like I've talked about products just being announced way before they're done. Like this is one of those things. Like when I talk about the Neo robot, it was the same thing. Oh well, we need all this data and all this AI collection and all this stuff, but we can't get that unless it's in people's homes. So we just have to announce this and then just hope it starts working and gathering info and BE starts becoming good. This isn't even ready to start shipping yet. So they're announcing all these capabilities and this whole thing.

[Andrew]

They're claiming batch one's coming out by Q2, which is great, very small.

[Marques Brownlee]

A couple months from now it'll start shipping. But it's like what do I have to base my either cynicism or optimism off of just the videos?

[Andrew]

Well, and that kind of becomes one of the issues here is this turns into this gigantic Twitter argument which I don't really feel like getting into because Twitter arguments are never worth getting into.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can summarize it pretty fast.

[Andrew]

I mean I the basically what it boils down to is somebody taking all the things that they claimed and showing why that's not possible to to then the CEO of Pickle writing this manifesto esque document like trying to rebuttal everything

[Marques Brownlee]

huge tweet which the.

[Andrew]

The. The TLDR of all of it is there's no way you can have this battery life. There's no way you can have this type of compute. There's no way you can have this lightness to which they basically respond well yeah, but all of it is attached to your phone which is, which does all the computing and that's how we can accept all of this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Eric]

What?

[Andrew]

Yep, Exactly.

[Eric]

With a cable.

[Andrew]

Not a cable. It is wireless. But your phone is doing all the computing. Apparently the cameras are really low quality. They're not meant for really capturing things. They're meant for seeing things in context. Which that whole memory sphere thing makes no sense now because if we're all use context. But like I want to see my little bubbles and piccolos.

[Marques Brownlee]

So okay, yeah, I think the general

[Andrew]

sentence,

[Marques Brownlee]

the general vibe that I got was this guy, I forgot his name. But this guy on Twitter being like, hey Pickle people, you are over promising. That's what he's saying, you are over promising. And he goes through all of the ways that they're over promising. And then I read the like response basically from this I guess CEO which goes through all the ways that he's talking about how they're not over promising. One of them was on battery life. He's like, you're over promising. 12 hour battery life is insane. Meta's getting three hours. How are you going to promise this? And the response was essentially we are still getting like three to four hours of active AR use on the display, but in between we are getting a longer standby life because we're using a dual chip architecture. We have a high power chip for all the AR stuff and then a low power background chip. This has been proven in wearables before. We have a low power standby mode and then we have a high power in use mode. So it's going to be able to last 12 hours because the low power chip runs in between all the AR use and the mixed use will still get you three to four hours of ar. That was his response. The other thing about over Promising was like field of view. He's like, well, how are you going to get 30 degrees of field of view if Meta is only getting 20? To which the builder basically replies, just because Met has done 20 doesn't mean 30 is impossible. Fine.

[Andrew]

And to be fair, the guy said 30 is possible, but it just doesn't seem like with the specs and lightness and everything that they're using, it does not seem possible.

[Marques Brownlee]

And so basically it just kind of goes down the list, one by one of this guy going, you're over promising. And then the CEO going, well, we're making it so. But that's gonna have to be the proof is them actually shipping what they claim. But the one thing that seems the most disputed is their website. And a lot of the claims in the videos used to say that this was a standalone device where you just buy the glasses and they do the thing. And now their website and a lot of the claims sort of rest on the fact that this is actually not a standalone device. It relies on your phone, it connects to your phone. You use this phone for your setup and then it constantly uses the phone for a lot of other things. That's the main thing that I think they're caught with, that they have to admit now. Great.

[Andrew]

Well, because in the, in the video, they never claim it connects to a phone. He calls it a personal supercomputer. Multiple times. Yeah. And then like he. On the website, this is the original thing, it said, do I need a smartphone to use Pickle One? It says Pickle One is a standalone device, but pairs with Pickle OS app on iOS and Android for initial setup, data management and granular. Granular privacy control.

[Eric]

So like, first that it does not need your phone after you set it up.

[Andrew]

But then his way of explaining. Yeah, like that it needs. Or his way of explaining how it can do so much of this stuff on a long battery life and be so light is because so much compute is coming from your phone. And now they've gone. There's this weird bet they have going on with it. It's all, don't read it, it's not worth it.

[Marques Brownlee]

But like on the camera thing though, that you mentioned, which is interesting, he, he talks a lot in that huge tweet about how much power and how much extra hardware it takes to do high quality video and photo recording like the Meta glasses do. Like everyone uses that for first person video. Those big heavy sensors and all the compute for processing to do that are not in this. This is like A low powered, low res camera that has enough information to see what's going on in front of you, but isn't like a high quality recording for your memory.

[Andrew]

Well, this is also a standout about why this video felt weird because at a point in it, it claims to do a live demo, which you would assume is coming because he's doing it in front of the cameras and then it's showing his point of view, seeing the cameras, but the quality is fairly good. It's coming from it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Which produced.

[Andrew]

Basically proves that it's not a live demo.

[Ellis]

Didn't he admit that everything in the video was done in After Effects?

[Andrew]

Yeah, I missed that. Okay, so that's not a live demo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but which is the thing is like, you can't you. It's very difficult to record what you would actually see in a way that replicates like what the human. Which is why when we did the Meta Glasses, we used an overlay and then we had to take a separate recording and then overlay the. The UI over the recording.

[Andrew]

It was like a whole thing, but on the other. But he's using the. It makes it seem like he's using the cameras from the glasses to look forward and then they would overlay with After Effects.

[Marques Brownlee]

Definitely.

[Andrew]

I don't think he's even using those cameras because the quality was higher than what he's claiming.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

A lot of misleading stuff in that demo.

[Andrew]

It's a million red flags.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

It just seems like everyone is trying to figure out the way to make the right context computer. And I can. If. If it is actually like low resolution video that you don't really need to watch, but it just gets context about your life. That's what they're trying to do here. But it is confusing and misleading when all of the assets on the website, all of the assets that they post on Twitter are these videos that show this like high quality. Like, oh, here's all this data coming in on the side and it's this video of your life. And the Piccolo s website shows you your actual memories of your kids and everything you're doing. And that's just not what it's doing.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think, I guess the challenge is trying to illustrate what the human eye will see. Right. So the human eye will see high quality, real world and then an overlay on top of it.

[Eric]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

But the captures from the cameras will not be high quality, which is fine. Which makes fine. But they're not distinguishing that. They're just making a pretty video and

[Eric]

makes the Piccolos website a little confusing because it's like, what are you. When you have those memory bubbles, what are you actually going to see?

[Andrew]

So I think it, it wants to be the context for the, the AI chatbot in there of that. It can then use the context of your life. But when I first see that, I think to myself, like, whoa, I can see all these memories, which I can, but they're just gonna be in very low quality.

[Eric]

Have you tried the OS on the website?

[Andrew]

I don't. It says like, sign up with your Google account. And then I didn't really know what to do with it because I don't have anything to do. There's one other Twitter response kind of where apparently in November they had had a, like, really, really small event where you could. Like a demo event. Yeah. And so somebody had responded to an old tweet of someone saying they were there. And the person who was there, named Will, said the demo didn't work and the displays were not in the units. Daniel park, the CEO, says, I'm sorry it didn't work for you. It did work for about 90% of the participants. And then the guy responds, 90% is definitely a stretch for the demo day feedback. I went with a group of four people out of 30 participants. One of my friends arrived early, the other three of us arrived later. The demo route had like 15 people and I didn't meet a single person who could share an experience trying it out. And then he says, not a huge issue. You guys are moving fast. Super excited. So what? But I don't. It just feels weird that he's like, oh, it was a network issue. Why? It wasn't working early on. But like everyone else got it to work. And he was like, but I was the one later. And it just didn't have displays and it didn't work.

[Marques Brownlee]

Those early demos are cooked. Same thing with Rabbit, right? This is like those old days of Rabbit demos.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah. That just did not work because they're like, we're doing it live. It looks like the. So you can try the website, which I guess is just trying it without actually using anything.

[Marques Brownlee]

But there's no memories.

[Eric]

You have to. You connect your Gmail, your Google Calendar, your Slack, your notion, your chatgpt, your Claude, your granola, your fireflies, your Fathom, your tld.

[Andrew]

It has a bunch of third party connections. You can do like part of the context of your life.

[Eric]

Yeah, at least that, at least they figured that out early maybe.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew]

Or it's all on the.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's the sad part about all of this is I actually, I kind of like the idea of like thinking about what could the post smartphone personal computer be? And all of these early examples we're seeing are all pretty bad.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like if you go all the way back to the humane pin, which is trying to be a post smartphone personal computer with AI context awareness, blah, blah, blah. Or even the rabbit or even the whatever other stuff I have on my desk that I bought that I haven't tried yet, which is like a personal assistant that you wear around your neck like a necklace. You need to try the friend, man.

[Eric]

I need you to try the friends.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like the most impressive tech demos I've seen have been from the meta ones because of the literal field of view and image overlaid over the real world. Like, that was pretty cool. But still, I don't want to wear those every day. It's kind of heavy. It only has a three hour battery life, so at this point it's still only just been interesting slices of like how that world could look. Just, oh, what if it was glasses? Oh, what if it was a pin? Oh, what if it was a necklace? Oh, what if it had really cool displays? And I think we're gonna see a Google thing, maybe like smart glasses this year. Like, we're gonna start to slowly see bigger companies try more and more complete products. And I still have a little bit of cynicism from the old stuff, but I'm trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to give it a chance, give it a fair shot so when the complete product does come along, I'll be ready.

[Eric]

What if it was your phone?

[Andrew]

Well, I was at Square, the supercomputer, and like all those examples was still just your phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

I ended the Humane video with like, the smartphone is so good. It's op. It fits in my pocket. It's kind of like if we didn't have smartphones, we would be trying to invent something that we could just like slide in our pocket and we take out this little box that has cameras and supercomputers and an Internet connection and an awareness of everything you do and who you talk to.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And then you crumpled it back up and put it in your pocket.

[Eric]

Yeah. I think, I just think that like, people do not want to have to use and wear additional stuff that they wouldn't already be using on their daily. In their daily life.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the wearing is hard.

[Eric]

The reason the metaglasses make a lot of sense is because you're just buying Ray Bans and then you use Them and then they have additional properties.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like you charge them sometimes.

[Eric]

Yeah, you charge them and people use, they use sunglasses if you're. You get the ones that have prescriptions, they're just smart regular glasses. Like that makes the most sense. The pins and stuff make less sense because people don't want to keep sticking an additional product on themselves every day.

[Andrew]

I feel like I would almost argue the opposite that a pin. As a non glasses wearer, I don't want to wear fake glasses during the day.

[Eric]

That becomes the question is like if you don't have glasses, like how does it work?

[Andrew]

Which I think a lot of people don't have glasses. We're all not nerds. So I think right out the womb

[Marques Brownlee]

2020,

[Eric]

I mean I do but you know, so I don't know. These, these are very high fashion and in a way I'm like it would, it would be better for them if they were more mass market but then they wouldn't stand out as much because there are a lot of smart glasses that are just black box glasses now.

[Ellis]

These look sick, bro. Picture walking down the street wearing these, sipping a sobe water.

[Eric]

Yes. Honestly.

[Ellis]

Yes.

[Andrew]

With your rollerblades.

[Eric]

Yeah. These things look do in New York City. This would, this would work.

[Marques Brownlee]

This would bang for all the videos are of the like aluminum like silver version. There's. There is a black version which looks a little less, less hype. Standout. Ish.

[Caller]

I have a question, speaking of the videos.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caller]

If this had more realistic videos and pictures showing what you can expect, do you think people would have reacted as badly? Because I think a lot of the marketing departments of these startups are trying to like do Apple like keynotes and demos where if they were just like honest with like this cool new technology we're working on, I think people would still be excited about it.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I would. It depends on what you mean by more realistic. So I do agree like the over present like the super almost pretentious vibe of a lot of these is really a put off for a lot of people. So even if you do kind of like the product, you don't want to buy into it because it seems so silly. But a more realistic demo of a theoretically perfect version of a future version of your product is kind of this already like kind of the same as I don't know trying to. What's a realistic version?

[Andrew]

I. I was thinking of this is like he's, he went on and tweeted a bunch about how they're this like really small team that's actually Just working in, like, his garage, which is like, okay, yeah, every single SF company ever did that. But, like, if this was just some videos of literally just like the team and a bunch of toolboxes in a garage. The demo thing thing was like, in the garage. So, like, if that's what it was, instead of this, like, super produced, they had like dolly cameras and everything. And they're making it, like, really intense.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's wearing, like an all black suit

[Andrew]

and he was just like, hey, this is something we're working on. We're calling it Pickle. If you want to be an early it, it's a more Kickstarter than.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I think it's because inherently these videos have to sell a whole bunch of people on being an early adopter and getting in and helping to make the product actually be good. Yeah. And so, yeah, this is the. This is what makes it hard because the product can't be good. People being sold on the vision. It's almost like, I'm gonna get so much crap for this. It's like Bitcoin. Like, bitcoin is useless. It's useless. But if enough people believe, then that actually makes it potentially useful. And then a bunch of people will go, oh, I'll accept all money, baby. Like, if I'm a vendor who doesn't accept bitcoin, I will not accept bitcoin. Until enough people believe in bitcoin and want to pay me with bitcoin, that it makes no sense for me not to accept Bitcoin. So there needs to be some movement of people excited about the thing. That's useless.

[Eric]

I mean, it's kind of the reason that everyone was getting mad at you for, like, you know, saying this product does not exist and you're hyping all this stuff. And then everyone came out of San Francisco saying, like, well, the product doesn't start good. It will get good. But people have to believe in. And it's like, okay, it's like Santa. It's just that we exist in a different.

[Andrew]

What do you mean?

[Eric]

Era?

[Andrew]

What do you mean?

[Eric]

Wait, what does that mean? Santa.

[Marques Brownlee]

Santa's real.

[Caller]

You have to believe it.

[Eric]

Oh, okay. We just exist in a different era now where because all software is ever evolving and you don't buy finished versions of anything ever, people's expectations, even when they're building stuff now is like, oh, we're going to ship a 1.0. We're going to improve it over time.

[Marques Brownlee]

MVP. Yeah.

[Eric]

And then because of that, they need to get people to buy it. But, like, they Can't.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. This is an ad is the bottom line.

[Eric]

It's like, there's a reason that every single launch on Twitter is like. Is like a little trailer. Movie trailer now. Because that's the way that marketing has changed, is they have to, like, make it seem really, really high quality and done so that people actually buy it so that they can make the product.

[Andrew]

It's crazy that we have to be like, our launch has to make it look like this is real.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sell you on the two years later version that's actually good. Which is only possible is you believe us and you all get in now.

[Ellis]

And they already got money. I. I don't know how much their funding was, but it's like picture you. You already got the funding. Why do you need to secure.

[Andrew]

Because those.

[Eric]

Because the people need the money back.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Oh, my God.

[Eric]

I mean, they're already. They are working with Qualcomm officially. Sasha Sean that is on the Snapdragon team tweeted that they are working with them. So they do have the money. And Qualcomm will not work with you unless you got money.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So they clearly got funding.

[Ellis]

So remember, this is gonna sound crazy because normally I'm the one who's like, sound of the alarm. This product's not real. It's not coming out. But I was thinking about when we went to California to try the Orion glasses, remember? And I remember that was a product demonstration that really felt like ground floor. You know, you were wearing these kind of awkward wires, and it. It was kind of like bloomy. And the. The resolution was bad. And they sat us down with these engineers who were so open about all the problems they had to, like, overcome to make that thing work. And then we got to try it, and it did work. And it really felt like this experience of like, wow, this is a really hard space to build in. This is something that's going to require a considerable amount of effort, knowledge, and money. And it's really cool to get to see the ground floor. And then two. Well, then two weeks later, we tried the Snap spec.

[Andrew]

The Snap spectacles.

[Ellis]

The Snap spectacles. And they were way better in every single way. And I remember talking to the person that not every.

[Andrew]

Some ways were they not better, they're way heavier. And the field of view is so much work.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, it was like super low resolution, bad field of.

[Ellis]

I remember the resolution on the Snap one was. Had better resolution.

[Andrew]

It had better resolution.

[Ellis]

The colors were better. And even though they were. They were definitely bulkier. I didn't find Them the field of

[Marques Brownlee]

view is so bad, I want to bring them in.

[Ellis]

But was it that much worse than the Orion?

[Andrew]

It was like everything was getting cut off.

[Marques Brownlee]

I couldn't play a game of something in front of me because my peripherals were completely cut off. I tried to play a golf game and. Yeah, I. What?

[Ellis]

H. I remember coming away from that and talking to the Snap representative and being like, you know, we just talked to the Meta boys and they said that they had to overcome all of these really difficult problems. And it doesn't seem like you guys are having those same problems. You've just showed us this really great product. And he was essentially like, yeah, skill issue.

[Eric]

Well, remember when the Snapchat guy came, he specifically said, we, the reason that is hard for Meta is because they care about Field of View. We think that field of view is not going to matter.

[Ellis]

I do remember that.

[Eric]

And that's why we went with high resolution in a smaller field of view view. And we believe that they're, like, chasing the wrong problem. Whereas Meta fully believes that field of view is the most important thing, which I would. I kind of am in Meta's court.

[Marques Brownlee]

It did feel right.

[Ellis]

I just remember leaving that.

[Andrew]

That never want to say that line,

[Ellis]

you know, Me neither.

[Andrew]

I hate myself. Sorry.

[Eric]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Caller]

Person, you know, makes.

[Ellis]

I just remember coming away from that whole experience, you know, being like, I have no idea how this stuff actually works, and I don't know what is difficult and what is easy. So when I saw the pickle thing, I was like, I'll wait and see.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I will say, to Meta's credit, we see all these really polished, pretty ads on Twitter and we're like, oh, this doesn't seem very realistic. But if you remember, when Zuck went on stage with the Orion prototype, he was like, this is a thing we're working on. It's not a finished product. But, like, this is how far we've gotten so far, and we have a long way to go.

[Eric]

Amazon selling it yet?

[Marques Brownlee]

That's about what I would hope to see from, like, an honest, like, presentation of the thing that's not going to be sold well.

[Eric]

Yeah, that's when he was like, we're not selling this yet. It's at least a year out. And then they did a live demo with the Ray Ban displays that famously went horribly wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really poorly.

[Eric]

So, you know, to Meta's credit, it hurts to say, but, you know, they gave a very fair expectation of what the actual product was when it was shipping, how much it was going to

[Marques Brownlee]

Cost and what it could do.

[Eric]

And you know, to be fair, they can do that because they don't. They don't need funding. They have unlimited money, whereas all these other companies need a lot of funding. So they have to lie to you, basically. And I don't, I don't believe that these things are not going to come out. I think they're going to come out. I just think that they're kind of going to be like the humane AI pin where the actual experience is horrible

[Marques Brownlee]

until like some theoretical, down the road, future version could maybe be.

[Eric]

Which probably won't happen because not a lot of people are going to buy in if the initial product is bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I guess this lands on that place that we always land on with this stuff, which is don't buy a product based on the promise of future updates.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

If the product is good enough at launch, that should be the thing you're comfortable buying. The hardest part for you and for me is to figure out how good the product actually is in the face of all the ads that we're seeing that seem to paint it as this amazing thing. That's why reviewers exist. That's why we're gonna show you how good the product actually is. Don't buy the product based on the promise of the future.

[Eric]

Yeah, there's a bit of a paradox because the second gen is always like way better than the first gen and is usually cheaper, but in order to get to a second gen, it requires people to buy the first.

[Marques Brownlee]

Some adoption.

[Eric]

Yeah. Which is usually based on the early adopter tax, except there's just so many products coming out that are bad now that not even early adopters want to spend their money on this thing.

[Caller]

I mean, you know what this kind of reminds me of? Complete tangent. But Walt Disney, when he was launching the theme park, hyped up the building of the theme park on ABC for like two years with a bunch of episodes. And then the day that it opened, there was a bunch of problems with the park, but people that went still really enjoyed it. And it like exploded in popularity.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And that's kind of what we need more of in tech. Like, things like that. Like, show me the process of building it so that I could get excited about it. That way when the product comes out, even if it's not like the best thing ever, I understand where we are. I understand. Like, I'm an educator.

[Eric]

This is what I'm saying. Like, everyone on Twitter is doing, is doing. Your expectations should be up here, and then reality is going to be way down here. I would love to. If someone went on Twitter and they were just like, this is what we have. It's.

[Andrew]

You know.

[Eric]

Yeah, but like

[Ellis]

when they were building Disneyland, like that was when you could actually watch someone. Like, no one's gonna have fun watching like a 12 part YouTube series where it's like copilot, make AR glasses now.

[Eric]

Yeah, I would love.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think the hardest part is making a product that you can sell that is already good enough that people at least like it. Like getting to the point of like working on Disneyland for two years, to the point where it's not done yet, but it's still enjoyable to people. That is very meaningful that it was actually still enjoyable to people. Getting the product that you launched to actually be good enough to be enjoyable will get people to stick around for the ride, for it to get better.

[Eric]

It makes me think about pebble because number one, when they relaunched all the Pebbles, it was just the same pebble from like 15 years ago with, you know, and it's slightly better in different ways. And then when they launched the ring a couple weeks ago, you could buy it then it was $75. It's shipping like soon. So like it was already completed product. You know what you're getting. Eric went on and said, this is exactly what it does. He wasn't making any promises for what it could do in the future. I feel like I would love if more companies launch products like that. Yeah, yeah. Lower expectations.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's 2026. We could see some of that.

[Eric]

Come on, baby.

[Andrew]

There's also a rumor that they paid $1.2 million for Pickle.com worth it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just like not worth every penny.

[Andrew]

Just like friend. This is why that's my biggest red flag is stop spending so much money on a website.

[Marques Brownlee]

Explain why it's called Pickle. No one knows why it's called Pickle, Right? The. The logo is like kind of like a pickle and they kind of glasses.

[Eric]

The glasses are in the shape of a pickle, kinda sort of.

[Andrew]

I would argue the glasses aren't even because they don't have the bottom frame. The logo does look like a pickle and AR goggles. But I don't think it really looks that much like the glasses. I don't know. Even though it probably is a direction,

[Ellis]

it's a stupid name. And also they should like Soul Computer is.

[Eric]

What does that mean?

[Ellis]

It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard also. So, Mr. Park, you need to change your Twitter bio. My guy. Like you can't be The CEO of a company that's in controversy and have your Twitter bio say, I'm in a pickle.

[Eric]

True.

[Andrew]

But it's fun.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's kind of.

[Andrew]

He's so funny. It's a pun. Puns are funny.

[Marques Brownlee]

Somebody out there likes that pun. Somebody out there likes that pun.

[Ellis]

But you know who will be at a pickle in about 30 seconds.

[Marques Brownlee]

Uh oh.

[Ellis]

You guys try to figure out the answer to this week's trivia pickle.

[Andrew]

It's about pickles.

[Marques Brownlee]

First trivia question of the new year.

[Eric]

Bread and butter pickles.

[Ellis]

I should have heard the pickles flavor.

[Marques Brownlee]

I am gonna get points this year. I swear.

[Ellis]

This year. Well, this first question is a very Marquez question because it's about phones of the 2010s.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Caller]

I wouldn't be too excited if I were you.

[Eric]

Dang it.

[Ellis]

So, RIP Zenphone. I wanted to do an Asus question because there were so many Zen phones I loved so much. But in the process of learning all about all the many phones and phablets Asus made over the years, I found two phones, two phone things. Mobile devices with hilarious names. At 2013, you could go to Asus and make the choice between buying the Asus phone Pad F O N E P A D or the Asus Pad Phone P A D F O N E. Two separate devices not in the same product line.

[Eric]

Right.

[Andrew]

That makes so much sense.

[Ellis]

One of them is a 4 inch phone that plugs into a dock that connects to a 10 inch tablet with keyboard.

[Marques Brownlee]

Clearly.

[Ellis]

The other one was a phablet that you could get in 6, 7 or 8 inch sizes. Because it was 23, it was making a 6, 7. Okay.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

So between the Asus Phone pad and the Asus Pad phone, which one was the phablet, AKA which one did not have the dock accessory? That's what I'm asking. I think I know did not have the dock Was the phablet no dock.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I remember as well.

[Ellis]

Was it phone pad or pad phone?

[Eric]

Oh, I don't remember. I'm just trying to use common sense.

[Ellis]

There's notes. Common sense.

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably not gonna work Both of them

[Andrew]

with arrows like this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Perfect. Phone pad is the phone pad phone is the pad phone. Duh. Duh. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, answers will be at the end, like usual.

[Caller]

We'll be right back.

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[Marques Brownlee]

per month

[Eric]

welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. Lego My Eggo decided to do a big CES event this year, which everyone was very surprised by. Marquez class. He's pumped.

[Andrew]

This is awesome. This is the best thing that happened at ces. Starting right off the bat, Marquez, were

[Caller]

you A LEGO kid? Yeah. Oh, that's why.

[Eric]

Well, I was not. I was a bionicle.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was in. I had bionicles. I also Kinex.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's fair.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I had legos first, so I think I want legos, kid. Yeah.

[Eric]

LEGO is in this weird space where they are sort of technology and they're sort of the opposite of technology. Like they are blocks. But then they have evolved in all these ways where they added motors and gears and people make working things. Like yesterday I saw in the analog photography subreddit that someone made a film development tank with legos. It was crazy, like, automated. Like. Anyway, they decided to have a big CES event, which everyone was like, what is LEGO going to headline at ces? It was like a huge thing. They announced an AI pin. An AI pin.

[Marques Brownlee]

Somehow that wouldn't shock me.

[Eric]

Yeah. So LEGO announced their first smart brick.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Which is kind of crazy when you read, like the definition of what these things do. Notably, it is not. The entire set of legos that you buy are not made of smart bricks. It is like 1 or 2%, but they use Bluetooth and NFC and smart tags and they have microphones and they have like basically every sensor there. It's a whole computer in a brick.

[Marques Brownlee]

In a like 2x4 regular looking Lego.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Brick.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2x4, like centimeters.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

No, no, no.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know what I mean by two by four?

[Eric]

Not like.

[Andrew]

No, no, no. We're talking LEGO here. Two by four dots.

[Eric]

I know, it's just.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Oh, dots.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Okay. It's just usually when people say two by four.

[Caller]

That's what I thought.

[Eric]

A large.

[Andrew]

No, but we're talking about LEGO here. You guys need to be in the conversation.

[Marques Brownlee]

Everyone knows the unit.

[Eric]

So there are these smart Legos now they are making that basically can talk to each other. And because of this, they're able to make sounds. They're able to like, you can speak to it. They have speakers. Like all these things.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, they light up, they make noise. And yeah, they respond to all different things because of the like light and inertia sensors and the smart tags they have with separate, like, minifigures or other parts of the things there's examples of. Like, almost all of the examples are in Star wars right now because that's the set coming out in March. But one is like, like when you go to fuel up the TIE fighter, the like certain. It sees the certain color and knows it's like next to the fuel tank and it starts making the like, fuel noises or When Emperor Palpatine sits in his throne, it plays Imperial March. Or when two figures that have, like, lightsabers are next to each other, it'll start the lightsaber noises or light up for different things. So, yeah, there's all this really crazy stuff. And, like, they make a Bluetooth mesh network between them to understand where other Lego pieces and these NFC tags in the Lego sets are in reference to each other.

[Eric]

Yeah. And they wirelessly charge on the, like, platform that you put them on.

[Andrew]

One of the coolest examples I saw. So they did the, the announcement and I was like, this is the coolest thing at ces. And then recently it must have been last night. Sean Hollister from the Verge went and did like a. My first experience with all of them. And he has this really cool example. I'm just going to read the quote, but we'll put the whole article in the. The show notes. So he said LEGO interaction designer Maria Salgado showed us a little police car set that could react to not only the presence of a cop and a robber. Smart minifigs, but where they're located compared to the smart brick. If a robber approaches the car, it'll sound the alarm. If a cop approaches the car, it will unlock it with a beep. If you drop the cop in the back seat seat behind the smart brick, it'll start snoozing because he's obviously not on the job. If you drop the robber into the front seat, the cop will wake up and start shouting. And that's like an example of how many different things it can do based on where things are in relation to, like, this singular. Smart.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Now somebody please check me on the nostalgia of this. I think this is unequivocally. I think this is unequal. I think this is unequivocab.

[Eric]

This slaps anemone.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think this slaps. I think this is the best story of ces, I think. And also it's funny. This is like I was saying to you, this is like the litmus test of people who didn't read the article. People see the headline of this and they go, oh, smart Lego brick. Boo. Keep it just pure, like Legos.

[Eric]

Keep it hurting my feet when I

[Marques Brownlee]

step on them, which these totally still will.

[Andrew]

Now it'll go like, gotcha.

[Marques Brownlee]

But this is awesome. And this is also among all the AI and like, over promising and random crap that we see at ces. Like, this is just a real thing. That is just great. It's just great.

[Andrew]

Specifically said, there is no AI in this product at all. It just reacts specific. I guess there was some controversy over a previous Mario set that used like barcodes or something to use very specifically. And they're like, this is not anything like that. This is way more open, I guess. And the way it works with different settings sets, I'm interested to see how these might work outside of sets later down the line and when people are building their own things and how they could potentially change it.

[Eric]

This is my one concern was does this kind of set in motion a whole thing for. You need to build the sets that they ask you to build. And there's no. There's not going to be any sort of like open source stuff where you can like make it do whatever you want it to do.

[Andrew]

It's a weird thing where like do. Are you a person who builds sets and keeps them like that or are you a person like me who built a set and then just had a giant tub that those sets disintegrated into and filled Whatever you want.

[Eric]

Which is what you're supposed to do with Lego. Yeah, originally.

[Andrew]

Anyway, whatever you want to do with Legos, you're spending a lot of money on it. You do you. But like it would be cool if these could somehow. But is my 2x4 brick from the TIE Fighter only going to make TIE Fighter noises or is the one only going to play Imperial March?

[Eric]

Right?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Or is it like dynamic.

[Andrew]

Yeah. How it works, how the lights work,

[Eric]

how would you update them?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think they're going to be just one. One function I would imagine.

[Andrew]

I would assume they're a couple functions based solely on this set. And then how creative people will be is how do I use the noises and lights from that set to build something else that I want.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Eric]

But if it's like TIE Fighter noises and you're using Lord of the Rings set. Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

A couple other small things I saw here. There is a microphone in it, but it's purely to be one of the other sensors. Cuz things can react to noise. They claim they're not recording anything. Take LEGO at their.

[Marques Brownlee]

There was one where if you blow on a fire, it would turn the fire out.

[Andrew]

It was like if it was a cake, if you made a birthday cake with it, it would blow. You could blow the candles out possibly. But yeah. First sets are shipping in March. They're like 70, 100 and 160 bucks and they're all pretty small. So you're gonna get LEGO taxed even harder on this, I'm sure. But yeah, they're pretty awesome. There's also a rumor there's an upcoming LEGO Pokemon set that might.

[Eric]

Oh, it's not even a rumor. It's coming out this year.

[Andrew]

Oh, really?

[Eric]

It's confirmed with the smart brick.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Andrew]

It's like Charmander's tail gonna light up.

[Eric]

That'd be sick.

[Andrew]

I guess a 2x4 wouldn't do that well, but yeah. So that was the coolest thing at the ces and now we can talk about a bunch of other kind of cool things.

[Eric]

There's a lot of other cool stuff.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we'll go through it.

[Eric]

You have a. I have a few things.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

I have one thing that's boring, but I think it's cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, we'll be. Pitch us on why it's. Pitch us on why it's cool.

[Eric]

All right. So you know how Google Photos.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I know about.

[Eric]

Yeah, like how Google.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, I know why and how.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I know when I know that.

[Eric]

Google Photos has long been one of one of Google's best products. They came out with like the semantic search features a long time ago. It automatically tags different objects, object recognition, that kind of stuff. Notably when you have a nas, which is a network attached storage array, it's kind of just dumb. Like it's just kind of a file structure system that you, you know, look stuff up. You have to like, know exactly where everything is and all of this stuff. It is the new year. I am really messy. My desktop and my storage on my computer is horrible. Notably, all of my film scans that I've ever made are on a one terabyte flash drive. And when that breaks, my life will be over. So at the beginning of the year, I decided I need to get my together. So I started looking into storage solutions. And wouldn't you have it? At CES, UGreen announced this AI NAS. And I know everything is called AI now, but the early versions of AI, the like machine learning, semantic understanding versions of AI that are actually useful, they are shoving into this thing. So it's a network attached storage array, but it has basically like semantic search. So you can like describe what you want and it'll automatically index all of your images so that you can like find what you need. It basically creates. It's like its own personal Google Photos, which is nice because Google Photos does not have original quality upload unless you pay a ton of money. So that's pretty awesome.

[Andrew]

Remember when you got that for free with a pixel?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And then they took it away.

[Eric]

And then it took it away. Uh, I can do automatic Album creation and categorization. It can do summaries of audio clips and files. It has a model which you can ask about your files. I'm not really sure why you'd need to do that. And it does automatic. Automatic file organization. So I don't know. I'm just. I know that this is sort of just like a newer, better version of something we've had for a very long time and it is very boring. But as someone who has not gotten into the like, I need to get my storage solutions stuff together game yet. Now that they have semantic search within this, that's actually very useful for me.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So I'm considering.

[Andrew]

This is awesome.

[Eric]

Yeah, it looks really nice. It's a thousand dollars for the smallest one, which is a lot.

[Andrew]

How much storage is the smallest?

[Eric]

It doesn't have any NASP thing.

[Ellis]

So you have to buy.

[Eric]

It's a bay.

[Andrew]

You buy the drive. Oh, you. Okay. You have to buy the drive.

[Eric]

Yeah. So it's a thousand dollars for the smallest one without the drive, which is kind of annoying.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's pretty expensive.

[Ellis]

Ugreen is a company that I thought only made HDMI adapters. And then I've been seeing so much Ugreen nas stuff on TikTok. I don't know if they're doing a lot of like paid partner marketing or something, but I've never seen influencers be like NAS Bay.

[Eric]

Oh, I have.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Eric]

But it's all. It's been all Synology stuff.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Like synology flooded YouTube with like, with NAS array videos.

[Andrew]

The.

[Ellis]

The Ugreen Naspies look really cool. Like they would look clean in a house.

[Eric]

Yes. Yes.

[Ellis]

I'm pro. I think I might get one.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm.

[Eric]

I'm very interested.

[Ellis]

Before this, the only Ugreen product I had literally ever purchased was HDMI adapters like USB C. So I'm like, yeah. Am I going to trust my entire thing?

[Eric]

Yeah. They kind of came out of nowhere and then they've been like kind of killing it. They're kind of. I see them as like another version of like Anchorage.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

They've started making a lot of stuff and they're all very high quality. So if there's like a pre order, this is. This has been my predicament. There's like a pre order thing where you save like 700 bucks if you pre order it. And I'm like, that's how they get you. That's how they get you.

[Andrew]

So you save money on the pickle pre order too.

[Eric]

Yeah. Anyway, I would like to try that. But we'll see. We'll see. There's a new product. There's a new E Paper display coming out. So notably, we got really excited about this.

[Andrew]

I still love mine.

[Eric]

Yeah, I mean, so it was. Was the company called. It was Aura. Aura. Aura made these frames, E Paper frames that we got very excited about because they were. They're color E Paper frames. They were saying that they were like the first ones, which I think they wanted to say very intentionally because literally immediately after they said that like a ton of other brands came out with

[Andrew]

E Paper colors, linking us as some other one. So I'm sure it wasn't like we're the first ones. It was probably like we're the first ones with xyz.

[Eric]

Yeah. Probably Tuesday I got advertised a bunch of them on Instagram too. So they're clearly like coming. But there's this one, the ink poster 41 inch epaper display that got shown off at CES.

[Marques Brownlee]

Very big.

[Eric]

That's seems like it's just kind of a TV at that point. Like 41 inches is pretty huge.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

But it is kind of ridiculously overkill and fancy. It has like an aluminum frame and then it uses Alcantara for the mat.

[Andrew]

Whoa.

[Eric]

So the editor and gadget who saw one of the smaller models last year said that it was a lot denser and like higher resolution than the ones that like we have, for example. Because like the Aura frames that we have, like, they look good, but they don't look exactly like, you know, one

[Marques Brownlee]

to one with the printed almost.

[Eric]

They're like half tone because it has like limited color palette. These apparently are very, very, very high quality, but they're also like $6,000 for the 41 inch one. What I'm excited about is that this technology, like the E Paper technology, the E Ink technology is clearly finally starting to like get pushed into the public eye. And that means that this same thing is probably going to be half the price next year. So, you know, give it two or three years and this 41 inch E Ink display will probably be like 500 bucks.

[Andrew]

All six of them.

[Eric]

And they will all be in my house. Yes. That'd be incredible. Nice. Yes. Okay, next thing, Coarse hair. Put a stream deck in a keyboard.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll take three.

[Eric]

Notably, they did acquire Elgato in 2018, so it's kind of like eight years too late. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that they waited this long in order to do this. And I don't know if you guys remember the original razor blade that came out in like 2012.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah. With the. You could literally customize your keys, which had little screens under them. You can make them whatever you want.

[Eric]

That's exactly what. What this is.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So I guess they were just too early and nobody wanted to pay for them at that point in time.

[Andrew]

That was in a laptop also.

[Eric]

Right. Whereas if it's in a dedicated keyboard, it's more likely that you're going to have a whole streaming setup. You're probably not going to be streaming with your laptop. So it, it calls it the Galleon 100 SD keyboard. It has 12 customizable buttons, a 5 inch 720x 1080, a 1280 IPS LCD screen, and two, two notably rotary dials for LS over there.

[Andrew]

Nice.

[Eric]

How do you feel about the rotary dials? All right. It is 350, so it's pretty expensive. But I think if you.

[Andrew]

That's honestly not that crazy. I like a regular gaming keyboard could very easily go for 150 to 200. And how much is a stream deck? It's not that far off from them being bought.

[Eric]

Yeah. So it's like if you're going to set up a streaming setup and you just don't want to have to buy a separate stream deck. It's right there.

[Andrew]

And if you like Corsair, their keyboards, which they're just like pretty typical gaming keyboards.

[Eric]

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of gaming companies, Razer always does something insane at ces. Usually they don't come out weirdly enough. You can like get on the order

[Andrew]

list for this, explain what it is. And yeah, I was similarly confused. Yeah. Just like, so they're doing this like AI desk companion now. So it's called Project Ava, which was something that was out last year, which was an AI that basically backseat gamed you so it could tell you all the stuff you're doing wrong when you play games. You guys have never heard of the term backseat gamer? It's like when you're playing Driver. Like. Yeah, it's similar, but in a lot of games where, like Valorant or Counter Strike, where someone dies, they're then watching your team, but still on voice chat. And you're like telling someone everything to do. That's. That's, that's like a backseat camera. So this was an esports AI, whatever that could. But now you can get this little pod. Pod. Yes. Cylinder tube kind of thing. It looks like the things when you go to the bank and it sucks up from the drive through. Yeah. That can sit on your desk, obviously, as RGB and Kind of has this almost holographic looking avatar on the website.

[Ellis]

They say it's a 3D hologram.

[Andrew]

3D hologram?

[Eric]

Just a volumetric display.

[Andrew]

Well, duh.

[Ellis]

It is not a volumetric system.

[Andrew]

Okay, well, you'll all know why we're so adamant about that later, but.

[Ellis]

Oh, my God. And it's powered by Grok.

[Andrew]

Is it really?

[Ellis]

I'm on their website right now. Project Ava currently utilizes Xai's GROK engine to demonstrate its.

[Eric]

So they needed that because it notably gets kind of spicy and does it.

[Andrew]

I did not see it.

[Ellis]

It'll do an epic vulgar roast with.

[Eric]

It's like. Okay, so this volumetric display shows a couple of different companions. There's like, an anime girl and an anime guy. Of course, the anime girl in, like, the video is, like, just wearing a big T shirt.

[Andrew]

It's unfortunately, it's like anime girl, anime guy, and then one of the most famous League of Legends players ever.

[Eric]

Well, yeah, there's these little characters that I. The idea is that it's. It's. It's just an assistant that during the day, you talk to as an assistant, and while you're playing games, they sort of backseat game with you. But it makes sense that it's powered by Grok because these assistants are, you know, made to be companions.

[Andrew]

We all know.

[Eric]

Companions.

[Andrew]

Companions, A terrible word for this, unless that's what you literally wanted to do. It's also, like, because it's this pod that sits on your desk has a camera on the front, so it can. Can help you with what you're wearing and, like, your fashion sense or whatever, and it can see things you're doing. And I don't know, every Razer has this thing where it feels like every year they make this huge splash with a product to get you to their booth that will never exist.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And I specifically had a friend send this to me, being like, look how crazy this is. It looks so stupid. And I was like, let me let you in on a little secret. Razer never actually releases these things. They just have all their other products at CEO Guess. Then he was like, then how come you can pre order it? And I was like, what?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And then I went, and for $20, you can get in line for a reservation. But they are saying this will come out in 2026. So I don't know what to think if they just realize nobody expects their stuff to come out. So this was, give us 20 bucks and we'll give it back. Or if this is actually gonna come.

[Eric]

If it's powered by Grock. I would bet you that they are literally just using the same like cuz Grock also has the like companion, like virtual actual bodied companion thing that you can interact with. It's probably just using that API and changing the look of the character.

[Andrew]

It's using the, the AI part of something that they had already because they were doing like. I think they announced Ava last year for like the gaming stuff. But now this is like almost a webcam where it's taking in context of things in your room. But the weirdest thing is that it's this hologram which.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

We've been working on something that makes us understand holograms are really, really hard. And I don't know, there's no idea how much this is going to cost because you have to pay $20 to get in line for it.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So is this going to be reasonably priced? Is this gonna be. It's so. It's weird.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm out.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Does this go to give you an unfair advantage if you're playing though?

[Ellis]

It's in the FAQ on the website. Is this cheating?

[Andrew]

Oh, is this cheating? Is this like rapid trigger? Yeah, it's just gonna be like you need to build more pylons.

[Eric]

I just, It's a little sad to me that it's obviously Grok because that kind of fits in with the whole like gamer personality.

[Andrew]

I don't want Grok and companion to be in the same sentence.

[Ellis]

The Razer website also describes it as a friend for life.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's not.

[Andrew]

I'm out. Does that mean it has a lifetime warranty?

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah, dude, that's the only way.

[Eric]

False marketing.

[Ellis]

I want to talk. There's so much I want to talk about.

[Eric]

But yeah, I don't know. I don't, I'm. I don't know if this will even ever come out.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Do we think this even comes out?

[Ellis]

Can we talk about the hologram for a sec? Because I can't stop thinking about this, man.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Because you're right, Andrew. We've been doing some secret stuff that involves holograms for the past few weeks and we've learned a lot about holograms and a lot about how they work. And in all of the Razer photos on their website, no matter what angle the photo's taken from, no matter what angle the desk is at, or no matter what angle the user's facing, do you guys notice that it's face on. It's facing dead at the camera. Right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Whereas on the Verge.com's photo in their header. Not only is it added angle, but do you see very faintly the transparent screen?

[Caller]

Well, I thought that was the shutter speed catching something spinning.

[Ellis]

I don't think there's anything spinning in there.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Eric]

I. Oh yeah.

[Andrew]

You think it's just. You can think it's just a piece of glass pretty much.

[Eric]

I think it's a transparent lcd.

[Ellis]

I think it's a transparent. I think it's a transparent led.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's not going to look.

[Ellis]

Which is the volumetric at all, not the LG spec.

[Andrew]

I don't.

[Ellis]

I. Well, it's hard to tell from this photo. The reason here's why I don't think anything is spinning in there is because when you generate a 3D image and a little bit of a spoiler the thing we're working on. But when you generate a 3D image from spinning something, you don't just have to render one frame. Like if you're trying to render a 30fps video on a spinning thing, you have to render the slice at every degree. Right. Which means you actually have to do a full spin more than once a frame. Which means you need a graphics engine in this thing that's rendering these 2D slices at like over a thousand slices per second. Like you need an insane amount of graphics power. And that's to do a low resolution image from all the photos. This looks like a reasonably high res screen. Right. So I'm willing to bet that Razer did not put like a 5090 in this thing.

[Eric]

Yeah. It does not look like it's spinning. I mean even there's a photo from sort of the top angle down where you can't. It looks like it's off, but you can kind of see the transparent led

[Ellis]

and does it look like it's at a. It's. It's at the same. Sort of perpendicular.

[Eric]

It's the same.

[Andrew]

It's.

[Eric]

They're all at the same angle.

[Ellis]

Me thinks yeah. 3D hologram is a little bit of an overstatement, but it's also, it's. It is possible that this uses the same technology as that company Looking Glass in Brooklyn.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Which does light field. Yeah. In Greenpoint, which does light field displays. So it's not like a true 3D hologram. It's more like.

[Eric]

It's what Nintendo used on the 3Ds.

[Ellis]

Exactly. Yeah. But also. I don't know

[Andrew]

exactly. I think that's the best way to say.

[Ellis]

I guess I just wanted to jump in here because I can't stop thinking about holograms. For the past few weeks. And when you know, and you know, it's hard to think about holograms and not also think about waifus.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

And when they're.

[Andrew]

When.

[Ellis]

When a big company is like, yo, do you remember the last time we talked to Razer at ces?

[Andrew]

I wasn't there. But that's the basis of my.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah. When they were like, why would you ask me that? This isn't real. Yeah, we'll see if this is.

[Andrew]

But yeah, taking money, which they haven't done for other things. So I'm assuming this is going be to be real.

[Eric]

Remember, it's okay to take money and not deliver products. Now it's 2026.

[Ellis]

And Razer, if I'm wrong and you don't, you didn't just buy a transparent LED panel from Samsung and put it in there stationary.

[Andrew]

Ellis will use this product for the rest of the year.

[Ellis]

I will, I will use. I will end my Claude subscription and only use the Razer waifu for all of my LLM purposes while having the bomb.

[Eric]

But.

[Caller]

But.

[Ellis]

Or whatever. But no, seriously, someone at RA should reach out and tell me if I'm wrong and it actually is a 3D hologram because I'd love to know about how it works. Because thinking about holograms 247 these days.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cool.

[Andrew]

All right, we got some other things that I think are less creepy. Samsung. We just have to talk about one tv because this is CES after all.

[Caller]

There's a gazillion of them.

[Eric]

Wild.

[Andrew]

Well, there's a million.

[Ellis]

Wait, is that what they're calling their new. New TV OS?

[Andrew]

What?

[Eric]

One TV?

[Andrew]

One TV.

[Eric]

Damn. Like one UI.

[Andrew]

All right, well, there are. They announced the 134,000 IQ joke.

[Eric]

I got it.

[Andrew]

130 inch. Timeless frame. I just. This thing. I'm so confused. Can someone try and describe what this looks like? Because it's. It's like a TV in a frame that doesn't connect but is kind of off centered and like an easel.

[Eric]

It looks like an easel that. It is like the TV is inside the easel and it pivots inside the easel and swings around like a whiteboard of us.

[Andrew]

It looks like you could spit.

[Eric]

Yeah, you could.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

You can probably angle it.

[Andrew]

It's like it's connected towards like the bottom.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it might be fixed picture

[Ellis]

like 130 bezel, a dog door that's like the size of a third of a garage door. But the. But the hinge is like exactly in the middle of the Y axis. So that the garage door just spins over and over again. Like a, like a conveyor belt flap fan.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

It's big. It's huge. So I under 30 inches micro RGB. It's 130 inches. I assuming this is 16.9 aspect or 16 by 9 aspect ratio, that would be approximately 113 inches wide and 63 inches tall which would be be 11ft wide and 5ft tall. And that's just the TV screen. It is then inside the other giant box. So this is what like a 13 foot tall contraption that you to be a timeless window rather than just a, I don't know, a stand.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is going to be one of those like hundred thousand dollar TVs. Yeah.

[Andrew]

This is Peak C. This is what CES.

[Eric]

This is LG rollable TV.

[Ellis]

I have like a ginormous living room,

[Andrew]

you know, core my couch doesn't touch a wall.

[Eric]

This TV is bigger than my apartment.

[Caller]

This definitely goes in like the lobby of some giant building in Manhattan.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Or in like to show where you are in the building.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes, you are here in the mall.

[Ellis]

I think it's gorgeous.

[Eric]

I mean it is very pretty. It is timeless.

[Andrew]

It is the living room. You need to pull it off. Is so far beyond my means, I can't even begin to.

[Eric]

It's going to be a concrete. He's gonna be like the guys only need one thing photo of like a guy that moves into a like a new apartment and it's just like him sitting on a lawn chair with this

[Andrew]

and a PS5 that's resting on like a 30 rack of Milwaukee's best.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Speaking of TVs, did you guys see all the frame TV knockoffs we got this year?

[Caller]

There's so many.

[Eric]

There's so many.

[Andrew]

Why'd it take this long?

[Eric]

I don't know.

[Caller]

Great question.

[Eric]

Yeah, I was surprised there. Basically everybody tcl, Hisense, lg, even Amazon is making a gallery TV now. And I think this, I mean this always made a ton of sense. Ironically, I did hear that these are basically just excuses for the companies to use old panels that are way worse and sell them for a much higher price.

[Marques Brownlee]

I, I every year I think I want a frame tv and then I never we had one in the old studio and it just, I, I mean like the idea of it, but I just never really decided.

[Eric]

Their quality is all.

[Marques Brownlee]

They're all bad quality, they're all bad tv. Yes. But when they're off and they show the art and they're like a little framed thing, they look kind of cool.

[Eric]

And that's why they can charge you a lot of money for them.

[Marques Brownlee]

And that's, that's only. That's the only way they sell it to you. By the way, they're like, look at this TV when it's off. Isn't that nice?

[Eric]

Because Otherwise it'd be $300 on Black Friday.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

If it didn't have the frame.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess I'll continue to not buy one.

[Eric]

I'm glad that all these other companies are making them because it does mean that maybe there will be competition which will force them to have better, better

[Marques Brownlee]

quality, which would be nice if that becomes the. If, like one of these starts selling more because it's a better tv, then that will be proof enough to them that they should focus on that.

[Eric]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

But if they all sell well because they're all garbage TVs but they all have the same feature, then no one's going to be incentivized to like make a really good.

[Eric]

I imagine the Amazon Fire TV one is going to sell really well. Yeah. Do you guys remember the Samsung Serif tv?

[Marques Brownlee]

I've heard that.

[Ellis]

Yeah, baby.

[Eric]

It was like. It was that TV that just sat on the ground.

[Caller]

Serif tv.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah. This kind of reminds me of the timeless frame we were just talking about.

[Eric]

Yeah. Like, I think Isaac has one of these, but it basically it. It stands on the. It has just these like legs that it stands on. And then it's got. It's called Serif because like a serif font and it's inside of this. I don't know, it looks. It looks really nice.

[Ellis]

Terrible TV.

[Eric]

Oh my God. One of the worst TVs.

[Andrew]

Really.

[Eric]

It is so bad. The dis. The actual display is horrible. You wanted something? Brandon has it too, actually.

[Ellis]

Yeah, Brandon owns one. And it looks great.

[Eric]

It looks great in his apartment till he turned it on. You know where I saw. Yeah.

[Ellis]

You know where I saw the Serif TV for the very first time?

[Eric]

Brandon's apartment.

[Ellis]

No. In a museum. That makes sense because the directory. No, because the designers who made it are these famous design brothers named the Bularex that Samsung. And so it was an entire like, exhibit about the Bularex, like furniture designs. And in the corner was this crazy looking tv and it had a Samsung logo on it. It was like, why is it 720B?

[Eric]

Andrew, do you want to talk about the vibrating knife?

[Andrew]

Yes. I don't like how enthusiastic I was the way you described it, but yes. I want to open this by saying, Marques, please Let me do a video or a short about this. So I actually saw this outside of ces, but it is at ces, so I'm counting it. And we were allowed to talk about it. But this is the Seattle ultrasonic C200 ultrasonic 8 inch chef's knife.

[Caller]

It has ultrasonic twice in the name.

[Andrew]

That's how sonic it is. So imagine a chef's knife with the thickest handle ever. Because this handle looks really thick and plasticky and has a giant red button on it. Yeah, because it needs a battery. But why do you need a button on a knife? Well, this knife blade vibrates up to 30,000 times a second, which claims makes the knife behave sharper than it physically is. Is.

[Marques Brownlee]

And so what happens then when you cut things while it's vibrating?

[Andrew]

It cuts them really fast and really well. So, like, I honestly put this in as a joke because I thought it was so funny. And it reminds me of those, like the carving knives that everyone uses for like Thanksgiving, which some people really like, but I'm always a believer in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, is that how it's vibrating?

[Andrew]

But no, it's not. A carving knife specifically is just going like forwards and back.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not.

[Andrew]

This is just like, like, like they say when you turn it on, you can barely tell it's doing anything. The way they show it is they like vibrating, I think just like everywhere,

[Eric]

back and forth, probably.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is it pivoting or is it like that everywhere?

[Andrew]

Vibrations are the key to all life, Dr. Fuji.

[Ellis]

It's doing the Harlem shake, bro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm really trying to understand this. If a knife is like this and it's a sharp thing, I think it's just vibrating. If it's vibrating, it, it's.

[Eric]

I don't know what happens is vibrating.

[Marques Brownlee]

How does it. Yeah, what is the motor in the handle exactly?

[Eric]

Like, is it vibrating forward and back or left and right?

[Ellis]

Does it just start like around your house?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's got it. It's got a buzz.

[Andrew]

Well, it's like buzz.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, it'll probably buzz like it's on the ground.

[Eric]

No, just cut through your floor.

[Ellis]

It's vibrating.

[Andrew]

It just falls through the falls to your basement. This is like the best way of.

[Ellis]

Falls to the center of the earth

[Eric]

and then it cuts the earth's core

[Ellis]

open, like falls in half.

[Marques Brownlee]

You cannot drop this knife.

[Andrew]

I like, they spent so much time

[Ellis]

asking you if they could. They never asked if they should.

[Andrew]

This is a good video example of that. It's actually moving because it doesn't look like it is, but they just put sand on it and it kind of looks like it's just going up and down and slightly forward.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like a tuning fork. It's like how a tuning resonates at a certain frequency. It's not like it's sliding back and forth.

[Eric]

It's just sort of resonating.

[Ellis]

I'm going to have to push back there because. Because it's by definition ultrasonic.

[Eric]

True.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, well, 33 hertz is.

[Eric]

That's.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, 33 kilohertz.

[Ellis]

It means it's f. It's faster than you can hear. Whereas the point of a tuning fork is to hear it.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying, as far as just being a joke.

[Andrew]

Cut that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, can you hear 33 kilohertz? I feel like you. No, you can't.

[Ellis]

20k is the 33. If it was. If it was lower than 20k, it

[Marques Brownlee]

would just be sonic so your dog could hear this. This knife probably. It's like a. It doubles as a dog whistle.

[Andrew]

You just go to cut your food and your dog is just freaking out.

[Ellis]

Oh, my God.

[Eric]

Wait, you.

[Ellis]

But in a way, you did just make a. Tell your dog that you. Your dog's food in the kitchen.

[Marques Brownlee]

But as if it didn't already know.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but so at first, like I said, I thought this was just those carving knives and I wasn't really that interested. I like my kitchen stuff to be as untech focused as possible. I like just nice knives that I sharpen. I like cast iron. But then there's this video of it just like cutting through a baguette without serration. And just like, usually you cut bread with a serrated knife. And a baguette is hard and usually you have to like smush it down to cut it with it. This is just.

[Marques Brownlee]

It just glides. That's like gliding like this scissor through wrapping paper. When you get that nice glide, it's

[Eric]

like, yeah, dude, the French are gonna be so excited.

[Andrew]

But like, like seeing it cut a tomato, I'm like like, cool. A really sharp knife. Cuz it tomato. No problem. Watching this. That's an apple, I think. Oh. Watching it cut through the baguette is like literally insane, dude.

[Ellis]

The mist coming off the tomato, tomato.

[Andrew]

That's another way of showing how precise it's vibrating.

[Marques Brownlee]

Can I ask you a question about knives? I don't know anything about knives.

[Ellis]

Green onions, cra. I know you can do that with

[Marques Brownlee]

a sharp knife, but this is a $400 smart knife.

[Andrew]

$400 is not crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

How much.

[Eric]

Remember how much we paid for the hammer?

[Marques Brownlee]

How much is a really good sharp.

[Andrew]

My like Wustuff classic, which is like

[Marques Brownlee]

a really good knife, is already above my head.

[Andrew]

It's like 160 bucks.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh.

[Andrew]

Like you can get Japanese steel for very expensive if you want to.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Some of that is because of like how handmade and I was gonna. Precise and like specific it is. And like the handle is probably like 1 of 1.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's IP65, so it's not going to go through the dishwasher, is it?

[Andrew]

No, but you can hand wash it through a set.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. You shouldn't.

[Ellis]

Any knife worth that much money, you should not put.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true. But I'm just thinking, like, if you use this one knife for your raw meat and then need to use it again later and you know how you cooking, you have like three. You need to use a knife for three different things. Yeah. I feel like you need.

[Andrew]

You wash it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

You should always wash your knife and dry it off immediately and not leave it out wet.

[Eric]

And it's also because the different knives are better for different things. Like serrated knives for the baguettes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, okay. So this has 1100 milliamp hour removable battery pack. It charges either USBC or it has. Do you know how people have the like wooden magnetic knife mounts? Yes. For 150 bucks, you can get one of those. That's wireless charging. Yes.

[Caller]

Marquez, I blame you for this because you said to USBC all the things and they have.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, it was that or micro usb.

[Eric]

Which one do you want?

[Andrew]

Just like a true tech product. It says, says I. I believe it says for to avoid e waste, USBC cable and charger are not included in the box.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. So you got to charge your knife. How long do you think this knife battery lasts?

[Andrew]

I bet probably like how long are you using a knife? I bet it's totally fine to get through. Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But at some point you need to charge your knife, which is hilarious.

[Eric]

Does it last long enough to cut to the center of the earth?

[Andrew]

Maybe that's the only thing saving.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, there's just a bunch of knives like hundreds of feet deep with dead batteries.

[Eric]

I also just love the idea of just like you use it and then you just stick it and it starts charging.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's crazy.

[Andrew]

I. This was a total joke at first, and I want this so bad. Now I want this. I want it really bad. If you're listening, Seattle Ultrasonics. Yeah, please we're here or Internet. Shaquille needs to do a review on this. Please send him one. He's way cooler than us. But if you want to send us one or if I can convince Marquez to let us do a short on it. Yeah, I'm here.

[Marques Brownlee]

You're gonna have to send it because I looked at adding it to my cart for a pre order and you pay full price right away.

[Eric]

When does it come out?

[Andrew]

In march, I think.

[Marques Brownlee]

400 bucks.

[Eric]

I want it.

[Andrew]

Which is not that far away. Before the pickle.

[Marques Brownlee]

Place your bets.

[Andrew]

I think that's my second favorite thing to see. Yes.

[Eric]

The third cool thing. It's got IPs. It's got an IP rating.

[Ellis]

It's IP65.

[Eric]

I want to do a really quick Lenovo power hour because they always do the weird, weirdest stuff. They are announcing a laptop that. Okay. Last year we got the laptop that rolled upwards.

[Marques Brownlee]

We sure did.

[Andrew]

Awesome.

[Eric]

And that was cool. That's cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Linus went on Jimmy foul Kim, one

[Eric]

of the Jimbos, and showed him. Right, right.

[Caller]

The same night as Bad Bunny was there. Oh, I'm so jealous. Yeah.

[Eric]

That was honestly a combo.

[Ellis]

I'm sure they hung Linus Sebastian. Bad Bunny can't even tell him apart.

[Eric]

This year they did a rollable computer that rolls out so it makes an ultra wide display.

[Ellis]

The scroll book.

[Eric]

The scroll book. Yeah. Scroll book pro. Oh, crumble books.

[Andrew]

Now I know why you like that. Cuz David could be like, check out this picture I took. And then it expands outwards and then he's like, here's my 23x7.

[Ellis]

It makes the royal flex pie. Like,

[Eric]

but I mean, I would like the vertical rulebook. I think for. For productivity is good. The horizontal rulebook is pretty sick for gaming. You know, I think that, that, you know, pretty cool.

[Andrew]

Just product. I mean, also productivity. It's. Whether you want a big chat, it's like code and like big emails or chats. Like you want vertical or like if you want it to go sideways so you have side by side screen.

[Eric]

Yeah. You don't need a Vision Pro if you got this thing.

[Andrew]

No.

[Eric]

They also made a laptop concept that has a rollable display that wraps around its lid, which is weird. I don't know. A lot of this tech eventually comes to stuff. Eventually. For Adam, they made a FIFA edition Razer phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

It sure did okay.

[Eric]

With like the FIFA logo on the back.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's just a branded version.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just with a custom ringtone.

[Andrew]

That's two phones.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's two phones for some Reason.

[Marques Brownlee]

But if they can upcharge somebody who really likes soccer, they'll do it.

[Eric]

They made a new new Moto watch that promises 13 day battery life and Polar powered health tracking that uses Polar. So that seems pretty interesting Seltzer company. No, well, no, no. Polar. Polar is another like you know.

[Andrew]

Right. You know, I have no idea what Polar is.

[Eric]

Polar is a smartwatch brand.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Caller]

They make a bunch of health accessories like heart rate monitors and like that straps and stuff.

[Eric]

Right. So this is called the Moto Watch. It's round, you know, it doesn't have the flat tire. So I don't know it. That looks pretty good. But the one thing that I'm sure you'll be reviewing soon here, Marques, is the Dell xps. Yeah, Dell did bring back, I literally ordered it.

[Marques Brownlee]

You ordered the XPS? Yes. Why the new 14 inch? Because it looks like it's actually good.

[Caller]

I know.

[Andrew]

Well, they always, they were good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, it was good. And then they like got rid of XPS for a year and it was like Dell Pro. Dell Pro Max. That is weird fit. And now they're back now XPS and they fix a lot of the things that have like a real function row key and they have like better speakers and you can actually see the trackpad. It looks like a much better laptop. Okay. I was like, let me give it a shot.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Eric]

Well there is now a Razer Hot Dog phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So I'm glad you called it.

[Caller]

It's correct.

[Marques Brownlee]

Razor Fold.

[Eric]

Razer Fold.

[Andrew]

Oh, I thought we meant the gaming company again.

[Eric]

Oh, sorry. Moto, Razer Fold. Moto Razor Fold Hot Dog Dog. So apparently the Fisher, Michael Fisher, Mr. Mobile said that he was not that excited for it and then he saw in person and that it, the build quality is actually really, really nice and that he's pretty excited for it.

[Caller]

That's a weird thing to say about his own product.

[Marques Brownlee]

I trust, I trust Michael Fisher's read on a phone first impressions. I'm also not expecting very much from a. What is this going to be like 14, 1500 dollar.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Motorola flagship that folds notably.

[Eric]

They, they did the like $600 hamburger fold.

[Marques Brownlee]

That, that was their bread and butter. The little, little throwback razor foldable thing was they got it all the way down to like yeah, $6.99 or maybe $5.99.

[Eric]

I think it was 5.99 for the cheapest version.

[Marques Brownlee]

That made it really good. But I always felt like Motorola at least in the past like five, six years has been making these Edge flagships. And they've just never been pushing any sort of boundaries of being, like, a really good phone. They'll just make, like, a decent phone. And it's their flagship.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

The edges have been, like, not great. Cameras, Pretty okay battery, but they don't do silicon carbon. I think this has a 5200 milliampere. I don't think they do any silicon carbon in their whole lineup.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, okay, like, flagship chip. But also, they were really first to 5G and haven't done anything great since. Like, I don't know. They're fine.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But when they're doing. When I hear they're doing a fold, I'm like, it'll be fine. Fine. Yeah. So. But if he. You know, if he likes it, it sounds just fine. I'll check it out. Yeah.

[Eric]

They're also making an AI pendant.

[Marques Brownlee]

I did see that, too.

[Eric]

It's a concept. Right now.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like a necklace. Right.

[Eric]

It's a necklace with a camera.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

There's a Surveillance, a keyboard YouTuber that I really like, like, called HiSpiotech. And I think he's at his first CES ever, and he's. His whole Instagram is just like, I'm so excited to see the new tech.

[Ellis]

Hope it doesn't have AI.

[Andrew]

And then it's just like, oh, and it's just been like, 48 hours year

[Eric]

to go to CES, my friend.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have bad news. Everything.

[Andrew]

Well, speaking of Michael Fisher,

[Caller]

the main

[Andrew]

event, last thing I have here, and I know it looks like a lot, but we can kind of go through this.

[Eric]

Notably, the best thing that got announced

[Andrew]

at ces, after the LEGO Brick.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

I like Michael Fisher a lot, but the LEGO brick was pretty awesome. And I don't think he'll be upset about that. All right. But Clicks, the company that he is a part of, released two new products. Yeah. The first one, the Clicks Power keyboard.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Is essentially a. So they had previously been doing the cases with the keyboard on the bottom, which for a lot of phones, made them long. Very long.

[Eric]

Very long.

[Marques Brownlee]

Tall as heck.

[Andrew]

It kind of made the most sense on, like, the Z flips, because then you could use the front screen with your own. Yeah. And the razor. And your own keyboard not being in the way of the small screen. And it would be a regular size. But so the Clicks Power keyboard is actually a. Imagine a battery bank with mag safe, and then when you pop it to the back of your phone, you can slide your phone up, and now there's a keyboard on the battery bank. So now the keyboard rests there is also providing charge with your phone and you can pop it on and off whenever you want. Which is kind of awesome. It has multiple different sliding ranges. So like if you have a smaller phone or a really big phone, you can turn it landscape if you want. Kind of a knockoff LG wing.

[Marques Brownlee]

And nothing's gonna be the. Nothing can fill the void at the wing left.

[Andrew]

But like it does awesome stuff. Like it's done with the past on the cases where it can take away your keyboard. You get all your screen real estate back, which is great. One of the cool things I. I really liked about the power keyboard was it has multiple Bluetooth connections and they kind of just created a mobile Bluetooth keyboard in a sense.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Where like this could connect to your phone, but this could also connect to your Vision Pro and you don't have to type in the air anymore. This could connect to your Apple tv. So you don't have to use the remote arrow buttons to search for things. Yeah. So like this is now just kind of especially if you keep it with your phone.

[Eric]

Pocketable Bluetooth keyboard that's also a battery

[Marques Brownlee]

bank that if you can pair it easily to things, that would be awesome.

[Andrew]

And then there's a. He said there's multiple pairing and it's just a keyboard shortcut to swap between the pairs.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's so smart.

[Andrew]

So launch price $79, which is pretty good. I mean, battery banks aren't that cheap. It's definitely more expensive than a regular battery bank. But it has to have the sliding mechanism keyboard that they put a lot of effort into. After launch price, it'll be 109, which that's pricey. But I really think the people who would want this will want it. I also like how now it's not just a phone in a case all of the time and long if there are scenarios where you think you need it a little more. And it also is now a battery bank as well, which is awesome. I didn't see how big it was. Also a huge shout out to Michael. He opens the video keynote with like I've seen a million of them and let's do them right. This whole thing was announced at fully inspect with price at like 2 minutes and 45 seconds into the video. Including the intro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So bravo. Yeah.

[Eric]

I think this makes a lot more sense. Their. Their problem before was that they needed to make a it for every individual phone.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Eric]

And they eventually got it out for the Razer. But like every year when they update the phone like Apple Updated the camera bar. So then it didn't, you know, you had to buy a whole new case, and they cost over $100. And it just like, doesn't make a lot of sense. And so having something that just uses MagSafe/Q2, that is just a universal keyboard that you can also use with Vision Pro. You can also use it with your Apple TV or whatever. It just makes like, like, way more sense. And it's a battery bank, which is just. Yeah, it is a little bit, like, thick.

[Andrew]

It's bulky for sure, but it's a battery bank.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's a battery bank. So I don't think you're gonna want to have it on your phone all the time. But it is kind of nice that you can just have your phone normal for most of the time. And then when you want to get into some keyboard action. And I like that it slides up. They also showed that it does work with foldable phones unfolded. So even like the Z Fold seven, that's a. It'll work with.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, because even if it's not connected, if you have the. Well, I can't even remember what the trifold is, but now the trifold could be all the way out. And now you have a hand keyboard.

[Eric]

Yeah. Also, but the Z Fold seven, like, if you put. If you like magnetize it to actually, like, the keyboard will be low enough that you can like type on it sideways or like when it's open, like really.

[Andrew]

But then it'd be off to one side.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Eric]

It didn't look like that in his video.

[Andrew]

Well, I'm assuming then. Then he flipped it landscape and folded it up.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Oh, maybe.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's probably why.

[Andrew]

Which is awesome.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

That's really cool.

[Eric]

Pretty cool. I mean, you know, obviously Michael Fisher is going to be somebody that tries probably said, we have to do this. We have to do this. We had to do this at all the design meetings. Glad that he got his voice through.

[Andrew]

It's the perfect time that now Cheetu Accessories or Cheetu Ready is so much more prevalent that like, even if phones don't have the Mag Safe magnets, it. You can probably find a case.

[Eric]

Even though there's like the pixel uses Chi2 and the. What is it? The skyline. The HMD skyline. And that's basically it. Except for our next product we're going to talk about, which is another. Another Clicks product.

[Andrew]

I didn't even realize this had Chi 2, baby. I missed that completely.

[Eric]

So, okay, there's another product that Clicks announced called the clicks communicator, which if you know Michael Fisher makes a lot of sense. It's a reference, it's a reference to Star Trek.

[Marques Brownlee]

Correct.

[Eric]

And it's basically the idea of it is, it's similar to the idea of what Palm was when they launched their phone except it's not like micro, it's like, it's, it's a different form factor. Has like a square display with a keyboard. It kind of looks like a Blackjack or a BlackBerry, like the original BlackBerry. I consider this the R Android phone. It's like everything that R Android wants in a device.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is so interesting to me.

[Eric]

It is specifically tailored to mostly just be a communication device. So it uses a modified version of Niagara Launcher which if you ever use Niagara, it's basically this, this descending list of letters on the side of your screen that just lists your apps out. So it's supposed to be like the anti social media, anti scrollable device because you know you could have TikTok on it, but it's going to have these big bars on the side because it's not a vertical display, it's like a square display. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's so clearly indicated as a communicator because as a physical keyboard which obviously is going to. Well for most people is going to be the ideal way to type out a lot of stuff.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is this really interesting to me for two reasons. One is because I think I would enjoy using something like this. Although I'm a smartphone person, I use my smartphone keyword all the time. But two, it is such a good product idea. As a new startup type of company, I've been asked probably a trillion times in my lifetime, hey, shouldn't you make a phone? Like couldn't you. You review all these phones, shouldn't you compete? And it's like, no, this is the most competitive, impossible to break through category to make a new product. I could never just make a smartphone in my bedroom or something like that. That's ridiculous. But a product like this, they have all of the right, obviously this is a very specific targeted genre for what the product is. But then they don't have to have the best camera because this is not a thing that's designed around having the best camera. This doesn't have to have the best screen, this doesn't have to have the best processor or even software. Obviously a new startup. We hear Carl Pay from Nothing talk all the time about how it takes so much extra work for a team to make all this new software. Okay, well we'll use Niagara Launcher. They have all these things that are appropriately trimmed down and not trying to compete with smartphones because the whole thing isn't competing with smartphones. So it's a really interesting, decently new thing.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

That I think will find a home because it's not going to be ideally compared with smartphones or. You're missing the point.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is different from a smartphone.

[Andrew]

So clearly made by somebody in the community that we are all in because like my favorite thing. Notification led.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like come on. We've all been asked. Yeah. In the power button.

[Marques Brownlee]

Smart.

[Andrew]

And like it can be based on contacts or based on apps that are giving you notifications.

[Eric]

Always asked for.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly. And it's because this is a thing that they're saying it's a second phone optimized for communicating. So much of it's supposed to be based on triaging inbox and like seeing when you want to actually like pick up your phone and it's because like maybe you don't care about some emails right now but if you're getting the slack color notification, maybe that's what you do need to pick your phone up for like every.

[Marques Brownlee]

Every photo of this with the screen on shows like the messages hub, which is just like answering. Replying to messages. That's what the thing is best at.

[Eric]

Yeah. Which is what's. I mean it's really. It's really shipped as like a weekend phone. Like you use it on the weekend to just kind of like get stuff done or like a secondary device. If you're like a business person.

[Caller]

Can you use this as your main phone?

[Andrew]

You could.

[Eric]

It's a full Android phone.

[Andrew]

This is where I'm getting kind of confused. Yes, it is a full Android phone. They said you can download apps. You can download like David said TikTok or YouTube or whatever on it. It. I'm confused a little bit because it has its own SIM card. Yes, it has. They're saying second phone. So it's like a phone you use as a companion.

[Eric]

Yes.

[Andrew]

With your regular phone. But it. Does it have a second phone number?

[Eric]

Yes. So I saw this in the. In the script last night. So I texted Michael Fisher to get you an answer for this.

[Caller]

Oh yeah, speaking of full disclosure, we know in light.

[Andrew]

Yeah. We love Michael Fisher. Probably take everything with a grain of salt. Maybe one of those cool grains that are vibrating at 30,000 on that knife

[Eric]

that I really want.

[Andrew]

If you're still listening.

[Eric]

Used to be my roommate. We see each other like twice a week. So if you think I'm lying Then that's fair. I'm doing my best here.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a great disclosure.

[Eric]

Let's see what he said. I said question. Oh yeah, okay. He said yeah, we've seen some confusion around this. It is a full phone with a prime physical SIM and EIM support. But you need a second number. We're not doing anything at the moment in terms of number mirroring or forwarding. The target customer either uses mostly federated messaging apps like Telegram or WhatsApp or whatever. Yeah, or Slack or whatever.

[Andrew]

I mean this is where I.

[Eric]

With multiple sign ons and. Or maintains two phone numbers like Marques. Anyway.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, so when they say companion phone it's not paired in any way to your phone. It's just you have a separate phone that you try to use less and you have this as your main communicator and you answer your Slack and messages on this, you answer your Telegram messages. All the things that you're signed into that will sync and will mark as red everywhere else.

[Eric]

Yeah, that's.

[Caller]

I'm just curious if this could be someone's primary device.

[Andrew]

It definitely could.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it can, it runs Android and you can install whatever Android apps you want. It's just not ideal.

[Caller]

It's fully overall because I don't think a lot of people are going to be buying this as a secondary device outside of our sphere.

[Eric]

Yeah, really? Well, maybe the business community.

[Caller]

I feel like business people just get iPhone phones or a Samsung phone with Knox.

[Eric]

I've seen a couple of people with BlackBerries on or like work phones.

[Caller]

That's what I mean. Work phones for business phones.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like you just get issued an iPhone usually.

[Eric]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Andrew]

I. My thing was like I, I think this is awesome. I would want it which what I want might be impossible so I think that's totally fair. But like I would want it to use my number because I still use text messaging so much.

[Eric]

I mean you could just use as your main phone phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

The thing is this wouldn't be my problem. This wouldn't be my weekend phone. This would be my weekday phone because I'd get a lot of stuff done at work. I would be able to really quickly see notifications on it and when I get home and I only have two hours before Lane goes to bed.

[Marques Brownlee]

Doom scroll.

[Andrew]

No, I can't Doom scroll because this is what I'm using. Whereas my normal phone on the weekend where maybe I have more time to screw around on it or I'm capturing more things based on what we're doing that's when I use my.

[Eric]

How about.

[Caller]

That's a great point.

[Eric]

How about you get, get you switch to Google Fi, you get one of their data only sims that's free, you put the data only sim in your pixel, you use this on as your main phone and on the weekend you don't have to respond to texts anyway.

[Andrew]

Yeah, my real thing is I think I'd rather almost just use this as my only phone and now that I'm carrying a camera around with myself all the time.

[Caller]

Yeah, same.

[Eric]

Honestly. Yeah, I think a lot of people are going to want to use this as their only phone.

[Andrew]

But my other issue is that being the keyboard nerd on this, I have have zero nostalgia for phone keyboards however. But I do want to try it really bad because it seems like they.

[Eric]

So a big problem that people had with the original clicks was that the keys were a little bit too close to each other and they were pretty small because this does not have to adhere to that classic 21:9 aspect ratio. And it's wider because it's a square screen. The keys are actually quite a bit bigger. So you might have a better experience typing on this thing than you.

[Caller]

This has just always been what confuses. Well, not confuses me. What keeps me personally from the clicks line of stuff is because I do have like the nostalgia factor for physical keyboards. But there's something like I'm so good now with an on screen keyboard, like swiping and all that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like it's so good.

[Caller]

I don't know if I go back if I would still be as good.

[Marques Brownlee]

There might be a learning curve. I have a feeling because this is what happened when I tried clicks is like there is a learning curve where I get dramatically slower when switching to a new keyboard. But perhaps, yeah, after using it for a while I could be just as fast, if not faster and enjoy it more.

[Caller]

And it's got voice to text, but

[Andrew]

it is very frustrating to be voice to text. Like you can customize the side button also. And one of the things to do is you press it and hold it and it automatically brings in speech detects and then when you let go it just sends it like it's just like an easier way to communicate.

[Marques Brownlee]

I need it to let go and then let me review it before sending it. No, because speech to text has done me so good before.

[Eric]

Also it has a headphone jack.

[Andrew]

Has a headphone jack. It has micro sd.

[Eric]

It's micro SD experience.

[Andrew]

It has like, like I said, this was built by somebody.

[Marques Brownlee]

What do you need? MicroSD for if you're not doing expansion.

[Eric]

Storage.

[Marques Brownlee]

Expansion. But what are you storing?

[Andrew]

What do you not want? Messages.

[Marques Brownlee]

Messages. Yeah.

[Eric]

I have 500 gigabytes of texts.

[Marques Brownlee]

What?

[Andrew]

I'm joking.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I feel like it should have like 64 gigs.

[Eric]

Yeah. The cameras are notably not that good. But like who cares?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Eric]

I've never cared about my phone camera.

[Andrew]

That's.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know if I believe you.

[Caller]

That's a lie.

[Eric]

I only sometimes care about my phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've never. With a straight face. I've never cared about this camera.

[Ellis]

I've ne.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

I have never thought once about a camera in a phone.

[Eric]

David ML Not a single time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Notable not caring about photos and cameras

[Eric]

haven't made multiple videos about it at all.

[Andrew]

They also, like you said, they updated the keyboard in a bunch of different ways from the font to the size to the spacing. It also can be. Can work as a trackpad. Like you can scroll across it which is also kind of nice because since the screen is smaller now, your thumb is not in the way. Along with that the. You can do a bunch of shortcuts through certain buttons. There's specifically a clicks button on it, but you can program different shortcuts on there.

[Caller]

I love it. It's like Raycast on my phone. Just like quick key bindings and everything.

[Andrew]

Cuz I had them. There is a launch price of. What is it?

[Eric]

So the actual. So the actual price is going to be $4.99. There is a early bird price reservation price which is $3.99. So I think if you pay in full now, you can get it for 100 cheaper.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And then there's a reservation deposit of 200. So you have to.

[Andrew]

But that also says to lock in the early bird price.

[Eric]

Oh yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's confused.

[Andrew]

That's why I'm confused. Okay.

[Caller]

Because you probably.

[Eric]

Oh.

[Andrew]

But if you do pay it in full, you get two back covers.

[Eric]

Oh, it has a replaceable as a replacement. So it's got a colored back cover and you can just swap them out for a different color if you want.

[Caller]

Can you replace the battery? If I can hot swap.

[Eric]

That's a great question. If you can replace the back.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't think so.

[Andrew]

Oh my God.

[Eric]

I doubt it. But that would be amazing. Amazing. But then they probably couldn't IP.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's QI2 and silicon carbon. I don't think you can.

[Eric]

There's also a fingerprint sensor on. On the space bar.

[Andrew]

The space bar? Yeah.

[Eric]

Oh, this is amazing.

[Andrew]

Also the reason the notification LED is on the side button is because whether it's face up or face down on the table, you'll still be able to see it.

[Eric]

And I don't remember if you guys Remember the BlackBerry. No, the back BlackBerry. God. It was the Android one that slid out. It was, went. Remember that?

[Andrew]

Was it the Priv.

[Eric]

The Priv had a touch sensitive keyboard so you could like, you could use it as like a mouse by just scrolling your finger. And it kind of hurt a little bit. This does the same thing.

[Andrew]

Yeah, the trackpad.

[Eric]

The trackpad is touch sensitive so you can like scroll your finger around it and it kind of hurts a little bit. Yeah, it's crazy. And then you've got a bunch of different colors. It's just, it's so cool in my eyes. Affordable.

[Andrew]

This is, is. We talk so much about dumb phones and this is not a dumb phone, but this feels like the better version of all of those phones of like a productivity phone, a non distracting phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's the perfect.

[Andrew]

I think this is better than home

[Marques Brownlee]

and the perfect product again. It's like if I. If someone came out with a $500 phone that had a bad, a bad camera and had like a bunch of stuff that's like not up to competing with other $500 flagships, you would be mad. But this is such a specific product that does such a specific thing that doesn't really have competitors.

[Eric]

The cameras aren't. I mean it's 50 megap, it has OIS, it's got a 24 megapixel front facing camera.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can guarantee it's not going to be. It's not going to be Pixel or whatever. $500 phones out there, for sure it's good enough.

[Eric]

But it has Qi 2, which most phones don't have.

[Marques Brownlee]

Pixel. Think about the $500 Pixel.

[Eric]

Which Pixel has it?

[Marques Brownlee]

If you buy a $500 Pixel, you get Qi 2, you get a good battery, you get Tensor is not good, but you get really good cameras.

[Eric]

Well, and also it didn't launch at $500.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, what's the 9A cost?

[Eric]

9A? Yeah, I guess the A. It's like the A is 5, 550 I think.

[Caller]

Think.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So, but this, I'm not expecting it to do those things. I'm expecting to be have an amazing keyboard and to do the notification light and the G2 and the headphone jack.

[Eric]

Headphone jack, yeah. Well, and it has 256gb of storage, which the Pixel doesn't have, by the way. Hilarious if we remember.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hilarious. Yeah.

[Eric]

And expandable store micro SD up to 2 terabytes. You want to have a 2 terabyte texting phone? Let's freaking go.

[Marques Brownlee]

Messages you can store with two terabytes.

[Caller]

All of them.

[Ellis]

All of the messages.

[Eric]

We're Pixel.

[Andrew]

We have the best camera ever. Here's 128 gigs. We literally just sent text messages. Double it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So I texted Fisher literally yesterday and I was like, so. Because his office is near my apartment, I was like, you don't have one just lying around I could bring into the podcast, dude. And he's like, man, we brought them all the ces, but I would love to get you some immediately.

[Caller]

If yes, we'll take five.

[Eric]

So yeah, we'll take five.

[Ellis]

Anyway, the Pixel 9a is on sale right now at google.com or google store.com it is currently 3.99.

[Eric]

Well, so is this nice? If you pre order it and you get more, you get more storage. Anyway, I just think it's cool as heck and I think that if social media did not exist and to force us to do everything in 21 by 9, this is what we could have just on the market all the time with many different options. But social media had to standardize everything.

[Caller]

This segment was not sponsored by clicks in any way.

[Eric]

It wasn't anyone that we know. It wouldn't matter that he's one of my best friends.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's fine. Yeah, you think I'm lying?

[Eric]

If you think I'm lying, maybe it's possible I could be tricking you.

[Ellis]

Are we going to talk about the AI assistant that's built into it?

[Andrew]

I don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's no way I'm joking.

[Ellis]

It's just, Just joking.

[Andrew]

It's just Michael Fisher pops up in the corner.

[Ellis]

It's like a weeaboo thing. It's like Michael Fisher in a Star Trek, like Starfleet, you know, like, wait,

[Andrew]

that would be so good.

[Eric]

I have to test.

[Andrew]

Don't give him any ideas.

[Caller]

He's like, what do you need?

[Eric]

Honestly? Yeah, the notification LED thing is huge.

[Andrew]

It's so good.

[Eric]

I said to him last night it was like 3 cents of cotton cost unlimited. Unlimited value. And the colors on the back that you can get are like this like seafoam blue. There's like a, a gray that's kind of like a granite gray. There's like the cool orange that's kind of like burnt. There is the green that's sort of like a forest green waveform green.

[Ellis]

As we we. From that, from that Reddit post that was like, oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

Then only like one color.

[Eric]

There's like a wine color. There is a slate gray, There is neon yellow, which only Michael Fisher likes.

[Caller]

What?

[Ellis]

Wait, no, me too. I. That's my favorite color.

[Andrew]

Andrew has a. I have the phone.

[Caller]

That.

[Andrew]

That's.

[Ellis]

No, this is like.

[Eric]

This is. It's piss.

[Andrew]

Y' all are fake. I'm the real piss boy. I can't use that.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, you know what? Leave it in, leave it in, leave it in.

[Eric]

There is a. There's like a. Like a. A burnt hot pink purple thing. It's thing. And then there is. There's a burnt magenta, I guess we say. And then there's a leather back.

[Andrew]

Is that leather?

[Eric]

Looks like leather to me. Yeah, it's leather orange. Is that texture? It might be vegan leather.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm gonna pre order. I'm gonna reserve one, dude. I will hopefully review it when I check it out.

[Eric]

Oh, and we. We forgot to mention the actual body color also comes in three colors. It comes in white, green, and black.

[Andrew]

Oh, there's a.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know which one's correct?

[Andrew]

White's the correct.

[Eric]

There's a forest green, though.

[Andrew]

I know, but the white looks. So I'd rather it be white with a green back.

[Eric]

I just always worry about white products, like if they're going to in my pocket just turn weird. Color patina. Yeah, it'll pick up the. The blue jeans. I don't know. I don't know. Might not.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, speaking of worried, I'm worried about the next trivia question.

[Caller]

As you should be because we spoke about Lego

[Andrew]

three hours ago.

[Caller]

Three hours ago. Right at the beginning. I did not expect this to go this long, but I should have known. Currently, the most expensive set you can buy on the website is what? And for how much? 2 points on the line.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Andrew]

How specific do we have to get?

[Caller]

Very specific. Closest price. Without going over.

[Eric]

Without going over.

[Marques Brownlee]

Without going over.

[Ellis]

I just heard rules.

[Andrew]

I just heard of a new set they're releasing and it's very specific. Yeah.

[Caller]

Are you counting that one?

[Ellis]

Is it. Is it sets that you can currently buy on the shelf right now? Because the one that they announced, I

[Caller]

think watching January 24th, so it's not out. You could buy it, but it'll get to you on January 24th.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, so the answer is something.

[Andrew]

Because I don't want to say anything.

[Caller]

There's a bunch of them, but it's like the one that's currently on the website sort by highest price. What's that first?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, so I'm not gonna get that. I'M not gonna get any points this year. Told you I should be worried. Well, I'm going to learn something new today. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

[Ellis]

So everyone knows our politics are divided.

[Caller]

There's left versus right and dividing lines

[Ellis]

on age, gender, or race. But maybe our biggest divide in our politics isn't about identity at all.

[Caller]

It's insiders versus outsiders.

[Ellis]

At least that's what Congressman Ro Khanna would say.

[Andrew]

The real issue is two tiers of justice in America.

[Ellis]

The real issue is people with power

[Andrew]

and wealth using it to be above the law and escape even investigation or prosecution.

[Ellis]

And it's only gotten more noticeable in recent months as issues like the Epstein files and artificial intelligence have seemed to

[Caller]

pit the elites against everybody else.

[Ellis]

California Congressman Ro Khanna takes on the Epstein class today. Explain in your feed every weekday and now on Saturdays, too.

[Caller]

Welcome back. This next segment, we are going to do 2026 predictions, but I'm going to spice it up a bit. This is going to be a competition.

[Andrew]

Oh, no.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Caller]

What I'm calling it Call your shot. So you have to call your shot for the rest of the year. You're making your prediction. But we are going to revisit this at the end of the year and I'm going to tally up the correct predictions and the wrong predictions. So you want to be accurate but not too accurate.

[Andrew]

You want to be like, closest but not going over.

[Caller]

Yeah, closest but not. Not going over. All right, so first question. I'm just going to ask you guys a bunch of questions and you guys are going to make your predictions.

[Andrew]

Okay, cool.

[Eric]

So yes or no? Basically no.

[Marques Brownlee]

Some of them are like, over under.

[Caller]

Yeah, over. Under. Name a product, you know, scam reel, for example. What is one product that will not ship this year?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, easy. Cyber Cab.

[Andrew]

Too easy. That doesn't get what? Cyber Cab.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Is that your take?

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, because they announced it would ship this year, and at that, I think that's a pretty good take that it will not.

[Andrew]

I mean, there are hundreds of thousands of robo taxis by the end of 2025. Of course, of course.

[Marques Brownlee]

We hear that every day.

[Andrew]

Ship, ship.

[Eric]

Zen, the Zen phone. No, if we're just trying to tally

[Marques Brownlee]

as many as possible. But if we want to make, like a bold prediction, I'll say it still

[Caller]

has to be a prediction. It's just.

[Andrew]

Can I say the. I'm going to say rabbit R2, but just whatever this like, three in one rabbit thing is.

[Eric]

Vision Pro 2.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I like Cyber Cab. Because it was announced that it would ship this year, right?

[Caller]

Yeah. It has to be something that's been announced. You can't just like make up a thing.

[Andrew]

My thing's like a rumor. It's also funny cuz my prediction last year was there would be a rabbit R2 and I was wrong. So I'm doing the opposite.

[Eric]

Well, what, what else have they announced will come out this year?

[Andrew]

Or something that might be rumored to come out or like.

[Eric]

Oh, the razor thing.

[Caller]

The razor thing.

[Andrew]

Like you could like iPhone. Air would be an interesting thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

IPhone.

[Andrew]

I think it makes it folding.

[Eric]

They say they weren't going to make it this year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, that's a question.

[Andrew]

That's not something we have for sure yet.

[Marques Brownlee]

Folding iPhone is another one.

[Ellis]

No, that's coming out. This.

[Marques Brownlee]

Coming out this year.

[Eric]

It's coming out.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know, I know it's coming out.

[Caller]

Oh.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, that was.

[Andrew]

I'll go that. No folding iPhone this year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Oh, wow. You're.

[Ellis]

You're wrong, wrong on that one.

[Andrew]

I tally it.

[Eric]

That could be some insider knowledge.

[Ellis]

It's possible that it could. It's possible that it could not come out. But I just based on everything I've read from like Ming Chi Quo and stuff like that, it's like, like it would almost be more expensive for it not to come out this year than to put it out and have it be bad. You know what I mean?

[Andrew]

Like Siri.

[Eric]

I was literally, I was thinking that I was like, Siri is the new Siri.

[Ellis]

Guys, we're missing the obvious one, the easy, the slam dunk, the, the Kareem hook shot.

[Marques Brownlee]

You can get a point.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I will.

[Andrew]

What is.

[Ellis]

I said it two weeks ago. Yeah, it's the One X Neo. There's no way that's coming out.

[Eric]

Supposed to come out in 2026.

[Ellis]

It's come out in 2026.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. That's a good one.

[Eric]

Coming out.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a good one. Yeah.

[Andrew]

So we all think Pickle's coming out.

[Marques Brownlee]

Do we think Pickle's coming out?

[Eric]

I wanted to say the new series.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think Pickle is coming out. I think it's just going to be bad.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

I wanted to say the new series, but I feel like at Dub Dub they, they can't not re announce it.

[Andrew]

That's what we said last year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, it's true.

[Eric]

Didn't get announced at Dub Dub last year.

[Andrew]

No, two years ago.

[Marques Brownlee]

Two years ago. Yeah, but it's still not out.

[Eric]

Yeah. Maybe this year they just spend talking about folding displays.

[Ellis]

Wait I feel like I have to ask a question about my Neo prediction.

[Eric]

What?

[Ellis]

Like if they just send people a lifeless corpse, like, like, like a mannequin that doesn't work, do I lose? I think right now like what does ship mean? I can't believe we're here where we have to say like what does ship mean?

[Andrew]

I think if they ship and it's still just teleoperated, that counts because that is what they said they were going to do. So you would lose that bet. But a lifeless corpse, that doesn't even turn out no. Well, they're not going to do that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Tesla Optimus.

[Andrew]

And we're thinking along the lines of a while ago where we said like when does the F150 lightning ship? And I was like, we're saying like 50 people. Non review hands on.

[Ellis]

Okay, so it's, it's, it's Ford Tesla Cyber Lightning rules.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

All right.

[Ellis]

And I will maintain what I said said last episode that if this does ship in 2026, even Pelioppi I'll eat more hot sauce.

[Andrew]

I can't wait for some. And it gets to feed you the hot sauce.

[Eric]

If that.

[Ellis]

Yeah. You have permission, Mr. Neo. I'm assuming the guy who founded the company's name is either Mr. Neo or Mr. One X. Because all companies are but Mr. Apple. Yeah, like Tim Apple, founder and. And Bill Microsoft Soft.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

And Elon Tesla.

[Eric]

No.

[Ellis]

Elon Paypal. No.

[Andrew]

Nikolai?

[Eric]

Elon.

[Ellis]

Elon.

[Marques Brownlee]

No.

[Andrew]

It's Elon.

[Ellis]

Boring guys.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's it.

[Ellis]

Am I right? No. Yeah. You have permission to send one to the studio and have it tele op hot sauce into my mouth.

[Andrew]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[Eric]

GTA 6.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. Whoa. Is that an actual pretty.

[Andrew]

I don't know.

[Eric]

It could get delayed. I don't feel it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Are you just throwing it out there?

[Eric]

Are you kind of throwing it out out there? I don't feel like it could get delayed again. But I've been wrong many times.

[Marques Brownlee]

So if you get it wrong, is there a penalty in.

[Andrew]

No, it's just less chance of winning.

[Ellis]

Not unless you're me.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, got it. Okay. Yeah, I'll stick with mine then. I think those are good.

[Eric]

My new Street Light Manifesto album. Album. Yeah. How about O. Okay, here's one. The. Okay, this is actually a good, good one. The. The Honda Aila Sony car.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh yeah.

[Eric]

That they did announce at CS is going to ship this year. I bet you it will not ship

[Marques Brownlee]

the SUV or the car. Cuz they rolled out a brand new SUV without even shipping the car.

[Caller]

I'll Take either one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Either one shows the car. The car. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Guess.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Will Threads federate.

[Eric]

No, it's over.

[Marques Brownlee]

Threads federate. Now can we get a definition?

[Eric]

It's over. Will Fed.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm asking for definition because at the moment I share to Threads and it

[Eric]

shares to the Fediverse.

[Marques Brownlee]

But that's not what you're talking about.

[Andrew]

So what do you.

[Marques Brownlee]

What do you mean by the full

[Caller]

federation would be someone replies to you on Mastodon, you see their reply on Threads, you can like their reply, which you can currently do, but you can also reply, which you cannot currently reply to their reply.

[Andrew]

Can I say something?

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You know why the Fediverse will never work?

[Marques Brownlee]

Work?

[Andrew]

Because you've been trying to explain it to us for three years and we're still asking the same four questions.

[Eric]

It's so easy.

[Caller]

It's.

[Andrew]

It's like you post something on Amsterdam

[Eric]

and you see it on.

[Caller]

Yeah, it needs to get to the point where we don't need to explain it. That's the issue.

[Ellis]

Picture a world where you cannot email me because you have Gmail and I have Hotmail.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Now picture. Not that. That's the Fediverse.

[Eric]

Everything works.

[Ellis]

So everyone says no, the entire Fediverse is over.

[Marques Brownlee]

No. Oh.

[Ellis]

Oh, just the Threadoverse.

[Eric]

The Threadoverse is over.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

It makes sense. Will Apple or Samsung get a silicon carbon battery?

[Andrew]

Product.

[Ellis]

Phone. Product.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Product or phone?

[Marques Brownlee]

What do we think?

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Oh, they make so many products. What if.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Washing machine has silicon carbon.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, Samsung or Apple. Those two companies only specifically those two,

[Caller]

because we've already seen them from the Chinese.

[Andrew]

We have to pick one or just yes or no?

[Caller]

No. Either one.

[Eric]

Both. Oh. So I have some context that might help this answer. When I was at Google IO last year, a Pixel engineer came up to me and he said, I know you guys keep wondering where the silicon carbon is coming in the U.S. but I just. So you know, all the Chinese companies are shipping it and it's very unsafe and like it gets like it has way less charging cycles than regular lithium ion. And we're not using it because, yeah, it's higher capacity and lasts longer, but it's it. They die within like two years.

[Caller]

It also expands and they expand worse

[Eric]

and blah, blah, blah. So it seems like the Western companies are more concerned with like longevity and. Or safety. Especially Samsung, who has had battery problems in the past, which would lead me to believe that nobody's going to use it this year. Although, does the iPhone air Use Silicon Carbon.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, it does not.

[Eric]

Doesn't.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that's an interesting. I've heard some of those same anecdotes from people who work at these companies. I think that that means that at the end of this year, we'll know if that's true or not, because we'll have two year old, like one plus 13 will be two years old. Yeah. And so we'll have two year old silicon Carbon phones out there that will either still be doing fine or they will start to have. They'll start to show their flaws. So I think we'll probably continue to see no Silicon Carbon from the div

[Eric]

for one more year.

[Marques Brownlee]

For one more year.

[Eric]

Yeah. But we'll also.

[Marques Brownlee]

Also find out if that was a mistake or not.

[Eric]

I think next year is when the western companies will start shipping Silicon Carbon, but not this year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting.

[Andrew]

Okay, I'm going to say yes. I'm going. I want to win this game or I want to lose this game.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Caller]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Bold pick.

[Caller]

Next question. Will the Pixel 11 get a redesign?

[Andrew]

Can we do. Will the Pixel 11 base storage be 256?

[Eric]

It has to be, you would think. I agree. Now, do we define redesign by like, big redesign or just like, just a new. A refinement from like from 7 to 8?

[Caller]

Yeah. Because 9 to 10 was like the same phone, you know, so it'll have.

[Marques Brownlee]

It'll still have a camera visor. It's gonna look the same.

[Andrew]

I think the visor is gonna look different. I think it's gonna be a redesigned visor but still be a visor kind of similar to how it went from the, like, melting over the edge to now being its own?

[Marques Brownlee]

I agree.

[Andrew]

Something about that will change to be more. Obviously not the 10.

[Eric]

Do you think it's gonna be more unibody like the iPhone, but then have like the glass charging bag? That'd be cool, like aluminum.

[Marques Brownlee]

Would that count as a redesign?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I don't think they're gonna do that. I agree with you. I think it will be a slightly different visor, but I don't think it's enough to be a redesign. Like a redesign. When you say that, I picture them going with something that looks very different,

[Caller]

which I don't know, like you can still like a regular phone upgrade. Like all the pixels, you knew they were pixels, you know?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but like what Samsung does from year to year is not a redesign.

[Caller]

No, no, they're all the same.

[Marques Brownlee]

What Apple did with the Pro phone this year. Year is a redesign.

[Caller]

Yeah. I would argue every pixel until the 9 to 10 was a redesign.

[Andrew]

So.

[Caller]

So that's kind of what I'm thinking.

[Andrew]

Wait, every pixel from 9 to what?

[Caller]

From everything until the 9 to the 10 was a redesign? Yeah, it was a different phone. You could tell it was a Pixel, but it was a different phone.

[Andrew]

7 and Pixel 8 were.

[Eric]

I would.

[Andrew]

Super. I would say 7 and 8 was not a redesign. 8 to 9 was a redesign. 9 to 10 was not a red.

[Caller]

Yeah, okay, that's fair.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess when I picture redesign, I picture like going from the ground. Like it was a slightly updated design, but I don't think that's a redesign. You know, a redesign is like, let's go back to the dragon board.

[Eric]

Pixel 8 and 9 were different.

[Andrew]

I know. I said 7 and 8 were the same. And 8 and 9 and 10 are the same.

[Marques Brownlee]

Got it.

[Eric]

Correct.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Tick tock. Well, that would mean that they're going to redesign it again. And 11 and 12 will be the same.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think something like they might do like a two tone color between the. The bump. Although I guess that doesn't connect. It doesn't.

[Eric]

They're also selling so well right now that I feel like they're going to be a little bit scared to change anything, but.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, I'm going with redesign. I'm going with. Yes, they will slightly update the visor. So that's a redesign.

[Eric]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Yeah, I'm going with that.

[Eric]

I'm going to go with.

[Caller]

No, it's going to be the same as the Pixel 10.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I kind of want to go.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes, that would be very Samsung with them.

[Andrew]

I want to go. There will be a redesign. We're going to have to really figure out how to define that later.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Eric]

It'll be orange.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a redesign.

[Caller]

All right, next question. What will be the phone of the year?

[Marques Brownlee]

Whoa, way too early prediction for phone of the year.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Phone of the year.

[Eric]

IPhone fold. I'm kidding.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, okay, so if we think iPhone fold's gonna come out, it will. That's an option, right? Okay. We're gonna get. We know the obvious ones are gonna come out. Yeah, we know there's gonna be a new S26 and a new iPhone and a new. A new Pixel and a new.

[Caller]

And a new Zen.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, exactly. Yeah. Xiaomi 17 Ultra is coming and probably

[Eric]

the 18 and 19 and 20 in the same year. Yeah, probably.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah. What is going to be the phone?

[Caller]

Find the OnePlus 15s and then the 16.

[Andrew]

I was gonna say Oppo find X10 Pro OnePlus 16 finally decides to put a reasonable camera in it. That would above reasonable.

[Eric]

I mean that was everyone's like flagship camera. That was everyone's problem. Problem with it.

[Marques Brownlee]

If that happened. I agree that if that happened it would be phone of the year. I just don't think that's going to happen.

[Andrew]

I think I believe in you. One plus.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right. Andrew's gone. Phone of the year. OnePlus 16.

[Eric]

I could see it. I think it's a good guess.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm trying to read my future self. What I think would happen. I'm going to.

[Andrew]

Let's go with Marques can literally. I know I can do whatever he wants.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can decide which one wins. I can make sure you guys are wrong too. Wow. No, I think let's go.

[Caller]

But will you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let's go. Pixel finally figures itself out. Tensor.

[Eric]

Lmao.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think. I think I thought this last year too.

[Andrew]

You did.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think this is the year that Pixel finally.

[Andrew]

That's exactly your prediction quality chip. Your prediction last year is the year of the Pixel Tensor.

[Eric]

Yeah, I think it's going to be the clicks communicator.

[Ellis]

Yeah, maybe. Whoa.

[Marques Brownlee]

January. Interesting shell.

[Eric]

You would probably never choose that as your phone of the year though. So I'm going to say honestly, one plus 18 is a good, good choice.

[Andrew]

18. I don't know if the one plus 18 comes out next year. It's definitely getting fun of the year. I would.

[Eric]

I want to go with the one plus two.

[Andrew]

I mean you can.

[Caller]

You can if you want.

[Eric]

I could. I'll do that. I think they're gonna fix the camera.

[Marques Brownlee]

Whoa.

[Eric]

They're not gonna make it good, but they're gonna make it not trash.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew]

They should partner with like a really good camera company like Hasselblad.

[Eric]

Oops.

[Caller]

RIP.

[Eric]

Whoops. Yeah, they already got rid of that. Y1 plus 18.

[Andrew]

16. 16.

[Marques Brownlee]

You guys want to make predictions on fun of the year?

[Caller]

I'm going. IPhone fold.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew]

You guys think first generation folds from gonna be $2,000?

[Ellis]

I think it's gonna be hard to give because we now know like what a good fold is kind of supposed to be. Because a trifold other cup.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know O. You know what could win the trifold? It's not going to happen. But if the iPhone Air adds a silicon carbon battery and a second camera.

[Caller]

No way.

[Andrew]

I think it'll add the second camera.

[Eric]

Dude, if it had the silicon carbon

[Marques Brownlee]

battery, that it's not going to do it. But that would be pretty nice. It would be.

[Caller]

You would lose two points on this.

[Eric]

That's too much innovation in one year. Yeah. Takes time. They have to keep selling stuff.

[Ellis]

I do think the next regular generation iPhone or maybe the Pro 2 is going to be an absolute banger. I think with everything going into the the fold now, the air. I think they're going to do a pretty big.

[Andrew]

What do you think this year was already?

[Eric]

Yeah, I was gonna say the reason you think they're gonna do it 1.

[Andrew]

The reason 2 exit next year.

[Eric]

The reason it won this year was they're 10x. It was so much better than last year. That's the reason it won.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

They finally did the things.

[Eric]

So I don't think it's gonna win twice.

[Ellis]

That's a good point.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Well then the Ver 2. It's the most expensive one.

[Andrew]

No, it's the cheapest. Try and buy a personal assistant. 24. 7 assistant. As long as they're not sleeping for $5,000.

[Marques Brownlee]

The books Palm.

[Eric]

The books Palma Pro 2.

[Andrew]

Cool. Next three.

[Eric]

Three.

[Ellis]

What do you think Google is going to add to its graveyard this year?

[Eric]

They're gonna add something Gemini.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's no question that they're gonna kill something. What are they going to kill? They're going to kill AI Overview.

[Ellis]

Kill AI Overview.

[Marques Brownlee]

Have they officially killed Google Assistant yet?

[Andrew]

That's a really good one.

[Eric]

I would say yes.

[Andrew]

My Google Assistant is acting like it's on its deathbed.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, do you have a Google Home?

[Andrew]

Yeah, that thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Has it switched to Gemini yet?

[Andrew]

No, but it is.

[Marques Brownlee]

All of mine has hurting. So my Google Home app is updated and all of my Google Homes have switched to the new Gemini Assistant. So Gemini. So now I think it's time for them to fully officially sunset Google Assistant.

[Andrew]

I think that's a really good pick.

[Eric]

I think it's probably already officially sunsetted.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm not sure.

[Andrew]

I don't think it is quite yet that Let me just.

[Eric]

Google killed by Google man.

[Ellis]

Google is. Can we talk about real quick Now I'm pissed cuz I said AI Assistant. Can we talk about how at lunch today we all spent time just trying to Google stuff and it took us 10 minutes to Google a basic fact because everyone's AI overview kept spitting out a different thing and we kept being like, well, I don't know if that's right. My AI overview says 79. My AI overview says 45. Even though we're all googling the same thing. I hate this feature so much.

[Andrew]

Can I. I forgot to say this before, but Ellis, you specifically will like this.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay. So over the break I was trying to do something in notion. So I thought, it's notion. Let me use the notion AI chat because it's just something I can't figure out how to do. So anyways, half an hour of this thing just gaslighting me into like, these are the buttons to press. This is what you need to do. This is the menu you need to go to. This is the database base. Every time it told me to do something was not a thing that existed. And then I just give up. And I said, so this is the first conversation we've had and it resulted in no help. So if I've tried notion AI one time and it's given me zero helpful results, what would the baseball batting percentage be of your helpfulness? I said, if you're defining helpful as got the results you wanted, then zero helpful results out of one attempt. Baseball batting average equals hits divided by at bat stats equals 0 divided by 1, which equals 0.000, which is 0%. And I said, do you think this belongs in the big league by zero? And it said, not based on what just happened. And I said, enjoy the miners, pal. And it said, fair roasted.

[Ellis]

In the car this morning, David and I were just talking about how like, we're all gonna feel so silly in like 10 years when we look back and think, think, wow, we really thought they were going to be able to do everything, like, everything from like cook a meatball parmesan to. To invent a cancer drug.

[Andrew]

This is. This specifically made me mad. And I tried a Google AI in Google Docs also. Those are like, you are the AI based on the product that I'm using. I feel like you should be able to tell me the things the product can do. Nah. Nope.

[Marques Brownlee]

No.

[Andrew]

So sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm going. They kill notebooklm. Oh really? And they kill.

[Eric]

They put a dedicated app out for it last year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's the end of that.

[Ellis]

Now think about how much revenue NotebookLM generates in the form of podcasts. No insane amounts of data that people are just handing over to Google if

[Eric]

people actually use it.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's a good.

[Ellis]

The way that NotebookLM people on Reddit talk about it is like I uploaded like my entire iOS notes app that's been there for 10 years. Oh, I uploaded like my entire 50,000 email inbox. Like, like people are uploading crazy swats of their data to Notebook lm.

[Andrew]

Do you know how open AI was getting in trouble for? They like uploaded all those books.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Is Notebook LM just the way to get all the users to upload all the copyrighted materials so that they can just listen to it as a podcast.

[Ellis]

And then that also is not because that. Yeah, that. Wow.

[Andrew]

Like, people are doing it for, like, textbooks and lectures and stuff like that. Is that just like, hey, feed me.

[Ellis]

I mean, I don't know exactly what Google lets themselves train on, what they don't, but it would be my guess that Notebook LM is like, amazingly valuable for them.

[Eric]

28 minutes ago, OpenAI launches Chat GPT Health, encouraging users to connect their medical records.

[Marques Brownlee]

I wasn't supposed to be giving my medical records to the over Chat GPT. Oh, no.

[Eric]

Waveform After Dark. I think they're going to kill Project Starline.

[Andrew]

That's.

[Marques Brownlee]

That'll be really.

[Eric]

Because we kept it alive for one more year with our video. And I think Google's now like, yeah, and never mind.

[Andrew]

I'm worried anything I say, Google will be like, oh, we meant to kill that like two years ago. And now I remember.

[Eric]

All right, we've been paying for.

[Andrew]

Is this the year keep actually goes down?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no, I'm sticking. I'm sticking with Google Assistant. It's also crazy. If you [e-mail] however long you think that list is, it's so much longer.

[Eric]

299 products.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's so much longer.

[Andrew]

It's the most recent one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dark Web reports. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Jamboard Chrome. Oh, Chromecast is dead. Holy cow.

[Eric]

Yeah, they also. Netflix killed the Chromecast. This happened over the holiday break. You can no longer cast to Netflix anymore. Anymore. Damn. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Starline. Project Starline.

[Andrew]

I want to guess like something like a YouTube feature.

[Eric]

YouTube.

[Andrew]

What if it.

[Ellis]

They're gonna kill YouTube search.

[Eric]

Please kill YouTube shorts.

[Andrew]

Part of me thinks they're gonna kill like, oh, oh, the. The hype thing. That. That'll hold by the end of the year.

[Eric]

That's going.

[Andrew]

Yeah, YouTube gone by the end of the year.

[Ellis]

I don't think they're gonna keep voice comments around. I think they'll be funny for like a few months and then they.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a really good. Got the good one. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I like the idea. I like the idea of. At lunch, Eric was talking about just leaving. Com voice comments on the bottom of videos. That's just screaming. So it's just like, ah, that was a funny video.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[Caller]

All right, one or two more? Two more.

[Andrew]

Yeah, let's do two more. All right.

[Caller]

Will there be a black pro iPhone this year here?

[Eric]

Black?

[Marques Brownlee]

Absolutely. Yes. There has to be. I think so there has to be a plaque, a black brush.

[Caller]

Are you pleading or are you making a prediction?

[Marques Brownlee]

Both.

[Eric]

What if they call it like it's not too late. Space dark matter. But it's still not.

[Caller]

It's fine.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's whatever we consider black.

[Andrew]

I think, I think we give it to Tim and if Tim says it's black.

[Caller]

Well, like space gray is the black phone, you know, like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Space dark neutral.

[Eric]

Dark neutral.

[Ellis]

I think Marques is, is. Can I shoot a reflective surface with this? And see, the phone is like the,

[Caller]

I don't mean like the piano black,

[Marques Brownlee]

which I mean the blue one. Yeah, yeah.

[Caller]

Cuz the blue one's blue. That's midnight blue. It's a blue phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's blue.

[Caller]

Like space gray. It's black, whatever.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Caller]

You know, yeah. Like, are we getting another one of those?

[Andrew]

Space gray is not black.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I would, I would consider that a success. Yeah. You know, it's 18 gray.

[Ellis]

You think this is black?

[Caller]

Yeah, that's black. Because it's not, I don't agree with.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not reflecting any color.

[Caller]

I'm not talking about 50 shades of gray here. I'm saying is there color or not?

[Eric]

Well, wait, so is white black? I'm going to say they will have a black phone because it seems to

[Andrew]

me that he's saying pro pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, of course.

[Eric]

Because it seems to me that every the TikTok cycle for them is like, like new phone fun, like kind of colorful, interesting. And then the next year they're like hardcore scary and then they go back into the fun interesting and then hardcore scary. And they kind of do that. Yeah. So I'm gonna say yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

I also think they made a whole bunch of changes with the new Pro iPhone this year. Visually, this is my very scientific analysis. Next year they're not going to redesign the Pro iPhone, but they still want you to have a way to be able to tell that you're holding the new iPhone. So it will not come in orange or it will at least come in some new colors that you can hold up and be like, this is the new Pro iPhone and black is one of them. There we go.

[Andrew]

So, but there was a black titanium iPhone, right?

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, 15.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think it needs like, I don't know, some of those space grays are just not black to me, where this is.

[Caller]

Okay, space gray, whatever.

[Andrew]

Okay, space gray. Yeah, just the black doesn't count.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, some dark neutral. Yes, we're getting one.

[Eric]

I'm saying it, it's happening.

[Andrew]

Okay, I'm still going to Say no, midnight doesn't count.

[Eric]

No, it's blue.

[Caller]

No, because it's midnight blue. And when you look at it, that's like a dark blue phone.

[Andrew]

You know, I think midnight's been the closest to black. I don't know why.

[Caller]

It's definitely been the closest.

[Marques Brownlee]

The barometer is the blue.

[Andrew]

Doesn't bother me.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cuz if it's blue, I don't want it.

[Andrew]

All right, all right. Last one.

[Eric]

Yeah, last one. Make it the hardest one. Will we hit a million subscribers? I wish. Come on, guys.

[Andrew]

Oh, thanks for 500,000.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

We wanted to do it by end. End of the year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Squeaked it in.

[Eric]

You can unfold. No longer hype us.

[Andrew]

That's why it'll die. That's why my prediction is going to be correct.

[Eric]

Yeah, we're unhypable now.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have a bunch of more predictions about iPhone colors. I think the pro folding iPhone is only going to be black or white. I think the colors will change for the new base iPhone and they will get rid of the fun green meal. Like, like, I think there's going to be a dark neutral pro iPhone color. I think the air is going to come in a new color. They're going to add a color for the second air.

[Eric]

Are they going to add the.

[Ellis]

I think they're going to bring back the teal from the. From the 16.

[Marques Brownlee]

That'd be nice. There's a couple older colors that were banging universally liked that they could bring back.

[Ellis]

The 12 Series Purple and the 16 Series Teal are just 12 Series Blue as well.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or pro blue.

[Andrew]

Can I make a bold prediction for air color? Color?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Rose gold.

[Ellis]

I like it.

[Andrew]

It makes so much sense on the air.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Maybe on the fold.

[Andrew]

I think fold's gonna be one color.

[Eric]

Black.

[Andrew]

You think it's gonna be black?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it's either just black space or maybe black.

[Andrew]

Basically.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I think it's gonna be one color.

[Ellis]

I had the white and gold iPhone4s. That was my first phone and. And I got it and I thought. Thought it was so funny to have a gold phone that I just started buying everything in my life in gold and it c. I just thought it was hilarious. It culminated with my freshman year, like dorm sheets and bed being gold.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, whoa. You got you.

[Ellis]

I just thought it was so funny to be like the gold guy.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's crazy.

[Andrew]

I don't know why that's so funny.

[Ellis]

It's really funny, right?

[Eric]

It's like really busy, really tacky. The Rivian R2 is supposed to come out in 2026 it is. Do you think that's going to come out?

[Marques Brownlee]

I do. I think it will come out in 2026.

[Andrew]

For the sake of my reservation.

[Eric]

I believe you reviewed an R2, not an R3.

[Andrew]

An R2. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I think R2 will get more orders than R3.

[Eric]

Really?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. More popular category.

[Caller]

Agree.

[Eric]

But the R3 is so cool looking.

[Marques Brownlee]

R3 is supposed to be cheaper and supposed to be way more fun. But the R2, you as a category is just higher volume.

[Caller]

But the R3x will be the best one.

[Marques Brownlee]

It will be the best one. Yeah.

[Eric]

Looks like a Subaru.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Eric]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Caller]

That was it.

[Andrew]

I think we did it.

[Caller]

That was it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Zero points on trivia.

[Eric]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. We need the marker.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have one. You have one.

[Eric]

I have one.

[Andrew]

Everyone just needs a share pad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Phone or phone pad.

[Eric]

I'm thinking so hard, guys, which pat. See you.

[Ellis]

Which one one is a phablet. Which one Specifically is an 8 inch phablet?

[Andrew]

Which is a phone. Which one is an 8 inch.

[Ellis]

A fablet phonet does not have a dock, no keyboard, just a straight phablet. The phone pad or the pad phone. And remember.

[Andrew]

No, no, don't say that part.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I got this right.

[Andrew]

I think I know what you're gonna say.

[Ellis]

You don't know what I'm gonna say.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Phone.

[Andrew]

No, that's what I was going to say.

[Ellis]

Phone in both of these cases is not spelled as a pa. That's exactly

[Andrew]

what I was going to say. And I was ready to make fun of both of them for it.

[Marques Brownlee]

You.

[Andrew]

Ellis, we are on the same plane. We have worked together for so long. I thought you were believe in me.

[Ellis]

I didn't know. I thought you were going to say like.

[Andrew]

I know. He just erased it too. Definitely did. And he has it still.

[Eric]

Wait, was I supposed to switch him?

[Andrew]

I mean, I is going to care anymore, but Marquez. I had my technicality.

[Marques Brownlee]

I wrote phone pad.

[Ellis]

Phone pad is correct.

[Andrew]

God.

[Eric]

You know, we had on the bingo that Ellis accidentally says the answer out loud before the. Before the question is that. That is huge.

[Ellis]

Phone pad is a fablet. That also guys. We didn't acknowledge it. A 6 inch fablet is hilarious. Right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Ellis]

Like.

[Andrew]

Like I thought you said.

[Ellis]

Oh, it came in six or eight. Eight inches.

[Eric]

Eight is crazy.

[Ellis]

With a number in between that I. You know, I should.

[Andrew]

It comes.

[Eric]

So it's phone pad. Phone with an F. With an F. With an F. So Marquez changed his.

[Andrew]

I could have at least had all of us at zero points. But you not zero.

[Eric]

We didn't finish the last season.

[Andrew]

Well, for this round.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's just been so long since I gotten points.

[Caller]

Can I.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really good.

[Caller]

Can I break in here? What did David and Andrew put?

[Andrew]

Pad phone. He put the same thing as I did.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Okay, so you both got it wrong.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Caller]

Cool. So then quick update on the score after that. Correct answer. Marquez with 11. Woo. Andrew with 14. And David also with 11.

[Eric]

Look at that.

[Marques Brownlee]

It means so much to me that I got a point that you guys.

[Andrew]

I want it taken away.

[Eric]

11 club. 11 club.

[Marques Brownlee]

Carry the one, baby.

[Eric]

11 club.

[Andrew]

11 club 11. Make a wish. I bet you wish for 14 points.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's two points up for grabs. I could get really close here.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm not going to. I'm not going to.

[Ellis]

I just got.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I could.

[Eric]

Someone call the ambulance.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[Caller]

After that third degree burn.

[Eric]

Wait, hold on. Why would the pad phone not be a phone? That is unreasonable.

[Marques Brownlee]

Think about how you would name a product. If you were making a tablet, you'd end it with pad. And if you're making a phone, you'd end it with phone Phone.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So the phone pad is the tablet.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

The big, big screen and the pad phone is a phone that plugged into a thing to become.

[Eric]

Didn't I say pad phone?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, you said phone pad.

[Ellis]

No. Phone pad is the correct answer.

[Andrew]

No. Yeah, you said pad phone.

[Eric]

I said pad.

[Marques Brownlee]

You said pad.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Ellis]

Because think about it. It's like, it's like I wanted your

[Andrew]

whole explanation proved us right.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm getting it.

[Andrew]

You got it, right?

[Ellis]

Wait a second.

[Marques Brownlee]

But yeah, think about how you.

[Andrew]

Everything I said but the other way.

[Ellis]

Wait, if you're patting the phone, who's driving the car?

[Eric]

This is something that only Pegatron would do.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Caller]

So true. Bestie.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Caller]

We spoke about Lego. The most expensive set that you can currently buy on the website at time of recording is what? And also how much is that thing? Two points. Potentially up to up for grabs.

[Ellis]

We didn't use the. The trivia question Mariah gave us over the break.

[Caller]

Oh, that is a good one. Okay, maybe we can do a third.

[Andrew]

You can get one right and one wrong, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I. I got it. Do we fact check it?

[Marques Brownlee]

Are we doing closes without going over?

[Caller]

Yeah, closes without going over.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Eric]

Price is right. Hopefully. Hopefully.

[Caller]

Flip him and read. What do you got?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, interesting.

[Caller]

Okay, who wants.

[Andrew]

I like it. I'll start.

[Marques Brownlee]

I want the cheapest. I said it's a. The Death Star and I said that correct. Oh, sweet.

[Andrew]

It's the Death Star. Oh, wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I thought it was 5.99. 5.9.

[Caller]

Sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

549. I wrote 549.

[Caller]

549.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Caller]

I can't see the board. Can I get confirmation on that?

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right. I mean, it's vaguely.

[Eric]

It's a bad board.

[Andrew]

I'm still vague.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Caller]

Andrew, what'd you say?

[Andrew]

I wrote 7.99.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Andrew]

And I wrote Hogwarts Castle.

[Caller]

Oh, no, unfortunately. Okay.

[Eric]

9.99.

[Caller]

9.99.

[Eric]

And I said Imperial Star Destroyer, which used to be the most expensive set when I was a kid, but I should have assumed it was.

[Caller]

Well, you still get one point for 9.99. That is exactly the price. It was 9.99 and it is a Death Star.

[Andrew]

Huh. I was so scared of. The one I was talking about was at that point there's some new. Not a new Lord of the Rings battle, but. What battle is that?

[Eric]

The Battle of Moggs D Deep.

[Andrew]

Is it. It's whatever the one they do in that, like big castle. Not castle. It's like the. The walls that they go up all the white.

[Eric]

You can watch Lord of the Rings.

[Marques Brownlee]

Isn't there like a. These Lord of the rings.

[Eric]

There's only three.

[Caller]

There's three, but there's like extended cuts that. It's like 2800 hours or something.

[Marques Brownlee]

Four hours.

[Andrew]

Did it say how much. How much was this? Ellis Battle of Manas? Terrific.

[Marques Brownlee]

Writh.

[Eric]

The heck is that?

[Caller]

Bless you.

[Andrew]

You would know it. How would this not cost more than this Death Star?

[Eric]

How many minifigures?

[Andrew]

How does the. The LEGO set of this.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's a LEGO set of that I

[Andrew]

think not have people minifigures.

[Eric]

Does that come with the price?

[Ellis]

I saw is from a leak, actually.

[Andrew]

Oh, okay.

[Ellis]

So it's not. I. We don't know. But yeah. Should we do the bonus question? Do you want.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Eric]

I want on it.

[Ellis]

This has this actually. How do we. How should I free.

[Eric]

Let me think about this.

[Andrew]

It is. Although all the LEGO Star wars ones have like really cool interiors that you can do.

[Ellis]

I've got it. I've got it.

[Eric]

Alligator.

[Ellis]

We weren't originally going to ask this question this week, but it actually does pertain because we've mentioned a lot of companies on this episode.

[Andrew]

Sure have.

[Ellis]

Today a lot of businesses.

[Andrew]

Seattle Ultrasonics.

[Eric]

Call me the Seattle Ultrasonic. Ultrasonic knife.

[Ellis]

That's it. It's the Seattle Ultrasonics. You win.

[Eric]

Is that their football team?

[Ellis]

The Supersonics is the now defunct NBA team. That no longer plays there.

[Andrew]

Killed by Google.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

But one of the companies we mentioned this week on the podcast is the world's largest tire producer. By volume, they make more tires than any other company on the planet.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've talked about this.

[Ellis]

What company?

[Andrew]

Oh, is it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I gave it away. Damn it. I wanted to gain on Andrew. That would have been really fun.

[Eric]

I don't know enough about cars.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's actually better.

[Eric]

Really?

[Marques Brownlee]

Maybe.

[Eric]

Oh, then I'm wrong. Then I'm wrong.

[Caller]

Marquez is giving nothing away.

[Andrew]

It's.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm.

[Andrew]

I mean, there are a lot of Apple car prototypes. That's true.

[Caller]

Samsung used to have a car.

[Andrew]

I'm so sorry, David. You're gonna be so mad when you see the answer to this.

[Eric]

Is it Google?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, it's your boy lego.

[Ellis]

Nope.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's gotta.

[Ellis]

It's Seattle Ultrasound.

[Eric]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Ellis]

It is Lego.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's Lego.

[Eric]

That can't be considered a real look.

[Marques Brownlee]

Tire. So. Yeah, it's a tire. It's a tire and a wheel. This is because we were having this conversation. Do you think there's more doors?

[Andrew]

I was literally about to bring that up.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wheels. And that's a huge factor.

[Andrew]

We are like three hours of recording and you're bringing up the doors versus wheel argument. We need to get out.

[Ellis]

I thought this was going to be a hard one to fact check, but

[Marques Brownlee]

it's not even close.

[Eric]

They.

[Ellis]

It's like literally not even close.

[Eric]

How many more tires are they really considered tires?

[Ellis]

They're made of rubber.

[Marques Brownlee]

Rubber? Yeah.

[Eric]

Do they have air in them?

[Marques Brownlee]

No. Well, a little bit.

[Andrew]

There's airless tires.

[Marques Brownlee]

They're not pressurized, but they have air in them.

[Caller]

The.

[Ellis]

The airless basketball is still a basketball.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. No, there's a lot of wheels.

[Ellis]

Boneless, actually.

[Andrew]

I'm not gonna go chicken wings.

[Eric]

How do they get the bones out of the chicken?

[Ellis]

You don't want to know.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a perfect place to end this.

[Ellis]

Actually, the machine they use is made by Seattle Ultrasonics. It like vibrates the bones out of the.

[Eric]

Out of the me.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a good thing we don't take two weeks off every. Every two weeks. Cuz we would have way too much to talk about. But hey, thanks for sticking with us this week. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing and getting us past 500k. It's onward to a million. This is the year we do it. Catch you guys on the other side. Peace.

[Andrew]

Waveform is produced by Adam Alena Ellis river, partner with Vox Media Podcast network and Intra Outro Music was created by Vain. Still.

[Eric]

Bingo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let's. All right.

[Andrew]

How long is that? 45 minutes.

[Ellis]

CEO 57, was it?

[Marques Brownlee]

Actually, that was the episode.

[Andrew]

You know what's crazy? I deleted, like, 60 of the stuff I wrote about Pickle.