Did Anything Change with AirPods Max 2?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: Did Anything Change with AirPods Max 2?
Date: March 20, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel
Special Guests/Co-hosts: Ellis Roven, Adam

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Brief Overview

In this episode, the Waveform crew dives into the latest updates on Apple’s AirPods Max 2, breaks down their thoughts on notable tech launches and discontinuations (Samsung’s Trifold), recaps their South by Southwest trip, and explores new gadgetry like the customizable Pwnage Sim 3 mouse. They discuss everything from AI-driven upscaling in gaming graphics to marketing lingo in the tech world, all with their usual blend of deep expertise and lighthearted banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. YouTube’s Shorts History Frustration (02:09–06:50)

• Andrew rants about how watching YouTube Shorts on mobile clogs the watch history on the TV app, making it impossible to find long-form videos later.
  • “So the thing is, they know how to already because on your desktop app it's separated… But on tv, the place where you are most likely to not watch shorts and only watch long form… now, when I get into bed later and try and find the video I watched… It’s not there because there's 20 freaking shorts.” (03:15)
• The team discusses how Shorts overwhelm recommendation systems due to enormous daily views vs. traditional videos.
  • Marques: “5 billion views per day of long form videos, but 200 billion views per day of shorts… shorts are not going anywhere.” (05:47)

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2. Playback Speeds & Content Consumption (07:09–10:32)

• David laments the inability to change YouTube playback speed on his projector, while also noting he watches videos at up to 3x for research purposes.
  • “There is the option...But when you go to click it, it's grayed out and it says not available on this device.” (07:56)
• Marques debates whether videos are meant to be watched at 1x and the appropriateness of speeding up content for info vs experience.
  • “I would argue almost all content is meant to be watched.” (09:29)

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3. South by Southwest Recap (11:14–24:00)

• The hosts recount a whirlwind trip to Austin, mentioning their live show, meeting fans, and tales of networking.
  • “Thank you to everyone who came. That was amazing. That was so much fun.” (11:43)
• Unexpected recognition for Marques: “One out of every hundred will be like, oh, you're the Frisbee guy. And I'm like, whoa.” (13:03)
• They visited a Tesla “activation” featuring a CyberCab in a glass trailer and discussed the confusing branding around Tesla robotaxis.
  • “There's the robo taxi sitting right there… It's a two door, gold painted, steering wheel thing.” (14:51, 16:32)

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4. Austin Car Sightings: Tesla CyberCab & Rivian R2 (14:13–23:51)

• The gang shares impressions of the Tesla CyberCab’s prototype (lots of vinyl and visual tricks for show), ongoing confusion about model names, and skepticism over release plans.
  • “Now they had essentially glued a hubcap that is larger than the wheel itself and extends onto the tire…” (17:48)
• David & Ellis get a ride in Rivian’s upcoming R2 SUV and praise the ride and opportunity to speak with engineers directly.
  • “The people driving these cars were engineers and developers for the cars… much more interesting.” (21:13–21:53)
• Frustration with Rivian not selling fun “plaid” wrap colors for real cars.
  • “Rivian, please sell us the wrapped R2. It looks so cool.” (23:23)

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5. Brain Audio Party Pro Speaker Demo (24:51–31:38)

• The guys visit Brain Audio in Austin, previewing their new Party Pro speaker—known for its striking bass output and innovative design.
  • Ellis: “One of the cool things is… you can stack them… and form the speaker arrangement called a line array.” (29:07)
• They discuss how Brain embodies “garage innovator” energy, but note the speaker’s niche price and pro-oriented features will limit mass appeal.
  • “The Bluetooth speaker market is like one of those crabs where eventually you just end up at party speaker…most people by volume are like, how loud?” (30:49)

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6. Samsung Trifold Discontinued (39:55–43:03)

• Samsung’s trifold phone is discontinued after poor sales (under 6,000 units sold in Korea).
  • David: “The decision reportedly comes as a result of high production costs, which made the Trifold nearly impossible to make a profit on.” (40:11)
  • Marques: “The tri fold to me was just Samsung going, hey, what if this works? Let's try it. We're Samsung... sometimes it doesn't work.” (41:42)

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7. New: Nothing Phone 4A and 4A Pro (44:12–51:21)

• Marques gives his verdict: the 4A is a great mid-range value, but the 4A Pro’s only real upgrades are aluminum build and fancier glyph lighting.
  • “You're spending theoretically 150 more dollars for this Pro phone. All you're getting, honestly, is the aluminum build and the glyph matrix… The screens are almost the same. The cameras are almost the same.” (49:49)
• The 4A (non-Pro) offers triple cameras and OLED for $349—a stand-out deal in today’s market.

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8. AirPods Max 2 Released — but Did Anything Change? (52:16–59:47)

Announcement Summary (52:16–53:10)

• Announced quietly via press release, AirPods Max 2 gets:
  • H2 chip (same as recent AirPods Pro)
  • New amplifiers
  • One and a half times stronger ANC
  • “Studio quality” mics
  • Camera remote via the crown
  • No major design or physical changes—same case, same controversial “canopy” headband

Notable Quotes & Reactions:

• Marques: “Apple is in pure marketing land with these terms. But yes, the top of the AirPods Max is officially called the canopy.” (53:10)
• Ellis: “I wish they would have a studio mode. Because… all this computing, it's not ideal [for pro audio work].” (57:42)
• David: “It is quite, like, crazy and kind of ironic that such a simple design has become so, like, iconic. Like, I see them all over Brooklyn. People run with these things, which is insane to me because they're so heavy.” (59:47)

New Features Discussed (54:08–57:18)

• Personalized volume, camera remote (use the Digital Crown to take a selfie), voice isolation, but no major hardware improvements.
• Hosts roast “studio quality microphone” claims and muse on marketing exaggeration:
  • “No studio has ever used these microphones.” (53:53, Marques)

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9. Tech Marketing Jargon & Product Positioning (47:50–49:46)

• How manufacturers obfuscate technical changes behind shiny marketing (“bigger and brighter glyph” = lower resolution).
  • Andrew: “Their way of saying this is, oh, this is physically bigger but also way worse resolution. But we're not gonna say it has less pixels in it.” (48:48)

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10. Nvidia GTC: DLSS 5 & Generative Graphics Drama (72:06–77:14)

• Nvidia launches DLSS 5, which uses AI to generate new textures in games; gets flak for over-sharpened images and questionable demo comparisons.
  • David: “It's almost this uncanny valley thing... It’s like that close off that it feels awkward. And the sharpenings and the contrast are just way up.” (73:45)
• Debates the morality of letting AI create textures that used to be the domain of artists.
  • “If you are letting the graphics card use deep learning to create textures for you, how much of that gets taken away from the original artists?” (75:14)

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11. Gadget Spotlight: Pixel Paw and Pwnage Sim 3 Gaming Mice (78:17–86:00)

• They spotlight the Pixel Paw mouse/joy-con hybrid (with much doubt about the scroll wheel omission and build quality), and Andrew introduces the highly customizable Pwnage Sim 3 mouse.
• Marques reminisces about his Cyborg RAT mouse and bemoans how he was mocked for “modular” mice years ago:
  • “I got made fun of for that relentlessly. It's the same thing. It's the same thing... I got hate for it and then I retired it. And now this idea suddenly, oh, you can customize your mouse.” (83:11)

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12. Apple Acquires MotionVFX (63:10–68:21)

• The crew reacts to Apple’s purchase of MotionVFX (a top plugin maker for Final Cut Pro), speculating Apple will eventually lock these plugins to Final Cut only.
  • “This is how I think it will go based on how past things have gone... now they pull support for DaVinci Resolve and Premiere and it's just available for Final Cut... and then eventually in some year and a half... Final Cut will start to see stuff from Motion VFX built in.” (65:06, Marques)

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13. Quick Hits & Trivia Fun (87:08–91:59)

• The trivia section interlaces facts about YouTube, Apple event history, and more—full of clever in-jokes and audience engagement.
  • Ellis hosts a classic: “What is the title of the Tom Scott video that auto-updates with its current view count?” (33:31)
• Banter about St. Patrick’s Day, color theory, and tech roll call closes out the casual yet always informative show.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Did they even test this?” — recurring joke for ill-thought-out UX/UI.
• “Apple is in pure marketing land with these terms. The top of the AirPods Max is officially called the canopy.” (53:10, Marques)
• “I want my headphones to learn me. I don't want my headphones to learn me so that I can interpret everything coming out of the headphones.” (57:02, Ellis)
• “The Bluetooth speaker market is like one of those crabs where eventually you just end up at party speaker.” (30:49, Marques)
• “[The Cyborg Rat Mouse] was the cybertruck of gaming mice.” (83:43, Andrew)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:09 – YouTube Shorts clogging history
• 07:09 – Playback speed gripes & information consumption
• 11:14 – SXSW recap & listener meetups
• 14:13 – Tesla CyberCab, Robo Taxi observations
• 20:43 – Rivian R2 ride-along & color gripes
• 24:51 – Brain Audio Party Pro demo
• 39:55 – Samsung Trifold abruptly discontinued
• 44:12 – First impressions: Nothing Phone 4A & 4A Pro
• 52:16 – AirPods Max 2: what’s new, what’s not
• 72:06 – Nvidia GTC/DLSS 5 discussion
• 78:17 – Pixel Paw and Pwnage Sim 3 mice review
• 63:10 – Apple acquires MotionVFX (plugin drama)
• 87:08 – Trivia (Tom Scott auto-updating video, Apple events)

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Tone and Style

The episode flows with the Waveform team's classic blend of expertise, dry wit, running jokes, and genuine tech enthusiasm best captured in free-wheeling group discussions and playful rants.

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Conclusion

Whether waxing poetic about modular mice or roasting Apple’s marketing vocabulary, the gang spends this episode balancing news, hands-on impressions, and sharp commentary on tech’s quirks and progress. AirPods Max 2's subtle iteration, the “death” of Samsung’s trifold, and new mid-range phone value are dissected with context and humor, making this a rich and entertaining must-catch for tech fans and industry insiders alike.

Transcript

[Marques Brownlee]

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[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay, what's your beef?

[Marques Brownlee]

Back about 10, 12, 15 years ago, when I was growing up, I had this mouse called the Cyborg Rat mouse.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh my God. Was it from Mad Cats?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, from Mad Cats. And it was a fully modular adjustable. I got made fun of for that relentlessly. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. Yo, what's up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to your regularly scheduled programming on the Waveform podcast.

[Andrew Manganelli]

We're your hosts.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm Marques.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm Andrew.

[David Imel]

And I'm David.

[Marques Brownlee]

So the last episode we published, we published from south by Southwest, which was a lot of fun. It was live recorded in front of that studio audience is what we're gonna call it.

[David Imel]

Sure, it was an audience.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was a group of people. It was a fun time. We interacted with a lot of people. You can go back and listen to it and watch it on YouTube. It was sick. Now we're back. And of course, we did have a couple of you guys stay at SXSW and see some other stuff. So we'll get to some talking about that. But there's also some new Apple products. The Nothing Phone 4A Pro and Samsung killing a product. And Also our favorite YouTuber coming back from the dead.

[Andrew Manganelli]

My man.

[David Imel]

My man.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But first, did they even test this?

[Marques Brownlee]

Did they?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm just going at it again. I got a long list.

[David Imel]

Apparently this is going to be Andrew's ranch, parts of the podcast.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

All right. Marques, I know you don't watch a lot of YouTube on TV on your TV, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So for those of you who do.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Only on TV you do, right?

[David Imel]

Well, on my projector, yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But have you ever gone into the history section to try and watch something and realize that for some reason on the TV app it lists previous shorts you've watched individually? So for. I'll try and paint this picture really fast.

[David Imel]

Your problem is that you're watching shorts.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, I'm watching shorts on my phone, not on my TV. But shorts, you can watch 15 shorts in a minute, Right?

[Ellis Roven]

If you're just scrolling through 15 shorts in 15 seconds.

[David Imel]

Yeah, exactly.

[Marques Brownlee]

So if you just swipe, if you just spam through like three in a row, does it count all of those as a.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It counts all of those as a singular watch. Really?

[David Imel]

Oh, so are you serious?

[Andrew Manganelli]

On your tv, if you were to do that very quickly now, when you go to the history section on your tv, the whole carousel of like previously watched things is now just short, short, short, short, short, short, short.

[Marques Brownlee]

They should just separate that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So the thing is, they know how to already because on your desktop app it's separated. If you go to the history on your desktop app you can either click shorts or videos and it's even in two different sections or on mobile. The way they do it, which is how they should do it on tv, is in those thumbnails on like the carousel of different videos. One of them is just a combined thumbnail of all the previous shorts you kind of watched in the last time you were scrolling shorts, therefore not completely clogging it up. But on tv, the place where you are most likely to not watch shorts and only watch long form. If, let's say what happens to me the most is I watch something like on the treadmill in the gym. Then sometimes between then and when I go to bed to turn on, I've probably scrolled through a couple shorts. I have a 15 minute timer on mine. But that's even if you watch 15 now, when I get into bed later and try and find the video I watched because it's not going to show up on my homepage because I'm halfway through. The easiest way to do it is go into my history and be like, oh, that was literally the last YouTube video I watched. It's not there because there's 20 freaking shorts in the dead and Then I have to type it out on the remote, which is still the worst thing ever.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Do you ever use a Watch later feature on YouTube?

[David Imel]

Constantly.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. Wait, do you?

[David Imel]

I. I add a million videos to my Watch later and I never watch them later. Really?

[Marques Brownlee]

I used to have that exact same behavior.

[Andrew Manganelli]

How do you do it?

[Marques Brownlee]

Just in the app, there's a little watch.

[Andrew Manganelli]

No, no, sorry. Like, how do you personally use it? I use Watch later as something I see pop up. Don't watch and add to there to remember to watch it not halfway through. Then click Watch later and go back to it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I mean, if I'm halfway through a long video and I want to finish watching the rest later. I used to use the Watch later feature on YouTube. Now I use. I used Pocket for a long time that got killed. Now I use Raindrop IO.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just save them all to that. But I used to use the Watch later feature on YouTube and then I would just forget about stuff and then I'd go back and I'd go, oh, there's 73 videos in here. I meant to watch later.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And that became tough.

[David Imel]

So, yeah, what you can do is you can watch like 2 seconds of it and then the next time you open YouTube, it's like the first suggested video.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Sometimes. Sometimes it feels like it debates on whether you send that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Can't rely on it. Yeah, yeah.

[David Imel]

There's too much content uploaded. You just forget what you wanted to watch. Yeah, too much stuff.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's annoying. Do you know it'd be easy. Just don't show me freaking shorts. Or just separate or separate them.

[Marques Brownlee]

Separate them.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Easy peasy.

[David Imel]

I think we should get rid of shorts.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't disagree.

[Marques Brownlee]

Good luck convincing YouTube. I think the stat that I recently, I was on the Dude Perfect podcast and we were trying to figure out how many views YouTube got per day.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Was that views or uploaded?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think views. I'll go back and double check, but I'm fairly sure we discovered that there's about a. I want to get it right. A 5 billion views per day of long form videos, but 200 billion views per day of shorts and that ratio on YouTube, that made it very clear to me that shorts are not going anywhere.

[David Imel]

Every person on earth watches, like just a lot. Two videos.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Like one view is like three seconds or whatever.

[David Imel]

So it's like saying like more than 220.

[Ellis Roven]

You know, people eat so many packs of Skittles per day, but people eat trillions of individual Skittles. It's like, all right, well, yeah, Not a useful metric.

[David Imel]

Trillions.

[Marques Brownlee]

But the supply versus the demand is crazy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Views.

[David Imel]

I wouldn't say it's demand. I would say it's.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, that's what I'm saying. There's not as much demand.

[David Imel]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sorry. There's a ton of demand, but not as much supply of shorts. So shorts just get tons of views because there's not that many shorts saturated.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, because how long it takes to make a short. I mean, it's not that long. But into comparison of how fast we can rip through shorts when watching. Like, you could sit down on the toilet and be through 50 shorts by just like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's why the demand number of views is so high.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Do you think AI could make shorts?

[Ellis Roven]

Yes.

[David Imel]

It's already clogging the entire feed. Okay, I have a YouTube complaint. It's not and it's not a. Did they even test this? Because they probably did. And there's some stupid, apparently technical reason. I think I brought this up before on my. Because I use a projector. I use the Nebula X1. I think projector very bright, kind of blinds me at night. And I think there might be a way to turn the brightness down, but I have not found it. Anyway, I told you last week about how there's the two different volume menus that it likes to just like randomly pick between. But there is no way to watch content but change the playback speed on the projector. Oh, for some reason when you. There is the option. There's a playback speed option. And when you go to click it, it's grayed out and it says not available on this device.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I think so now you gotta, like watch it as it was designed

[Ellis Roven]

to be watched one time.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Speed.

[David Imel]

I've. We're on 3x now.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's not even real.

[David Imel]

We're in 3x mode.

[Ellis Roven]

Why do you hate can I videos?

[David Imel]

I hate everything.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Can I go one?

[David Imel]

I want to move through life faster so I die sooner.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I want to go one step further in the wrong direction. Vaguely relative to this, but I was messing around with Adam the other day on my phone because the new Google Update changed the animation when folders open on your homepage and has this little

[Adam]

like the pixel update.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, the pixel update. Sorry. The bottom row kind of like folds out and I just don't like it. So I was in developer options changing animation speed and I had this brain fart where I see 0.5x is the faster. But then I was like, wait, no, does that mean it's going slower. So then I saw 10x and I was like, oh, this will be 10 times faster and clicked it and then like swiped up and then it's 10 times slower and yet the window's just like molasses. And I was like, oh my. I know it's a developer option, so you're not supposed to really do it or to see like smoothness.

[Marques Brownlee]

You have to be a developer to do it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So funny though.

[Ellis Roven]

It's like the Matrix.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It was. Yeah, it was like Neo dodging bullets.

[David Imel]

Anyway, I, I do, I do watch content that, you know, well, now I watch all content at 1x speed on my projector because I can't watch it at 3x speed.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[David Imel]

But you know, content that's made to be consumed at normal speed, I will consume at normal speed.

[Adam]

If it's talking head 2x. If it's vlog 2x.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

See, how do you define that was meant to be watched at normal speed. I would argue all, almost all content is meant to be watched.

[David Imel]

There's a lot of content that I watch informational purposes and just to like podcasts.

[Marques Brownlee]

No. What is.

[David Imel]

Podcasts are mostly 1x for me.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's. That's the most shocking thing you said.

[Ellis Roven]

What?

[Marques Brownlee]

That's really confusing. So what is not meant to be watched at 1x speed?

[Andrew Manganelli]

He's. He's explained this. He's saying when he's like researching something, do the like 2x to really quickly listen to all of it and then reference something he's reading later.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Or jump back to it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Research.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Or jump back.

[David Imel]

If it's supposed to be for like the visual, I have to watch the visuals and it's more about the experience than I do 1x. But if it's like I just need to soak up this information, then it's like two to three.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Sometimes there's just a. I don't watch a lot of 2x but sometimes there's a video where it's like super grasping bit of information in the title. Like there was one about how like Earth had 65 million years of rain non stop. And I was like, I want to listen to this real fast, but I don't have time for it. So quick 2x to basically just like

[Marques Brownlee]

that sounds like 30 minutes later and

[Andrew Manganelli]

be like it had a lot of rain. That was crazy. Fair.

[Adam]

I'm not on YouTube to view your art. I'm there to learn things.

[Marques Brownlee]

How dare you.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This podcast is art.

[Marques Brownlee]

30 frames. 1 second.

[David Imel]

The reason I do podcast at 1x speed generally is Because I don't have enough new podcasts today. And if I run out, then how

[Andrew Manganelli]

am I supposed to do what my thoughts slow it down.

[David Imel]

I would panic. Now, actually, yesterday I did go to the gym without anything, and it was. I raw dogged it. It was crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

The gym.

[David Imel]

I raw dogged the gym.

[Andrew Manganelli]

He just didn't work out either. He just stood there the whole time,

[Marques Brownlee]

looked in the mirror for 45 minutes and was like, I hate this.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Why do people do this?

[David Imel]

Anyway, okay, we should move on. We were at south by Southwest, as we just talked about. So we wanted to mention a few of the highlights that we saw in

[Andrew Manganelli]

Austin, Texas, in the extremely short amount of time we were there. Some of us. Yeah, I think like 24 hours. Yeah. Marques, Adam and I were there for less than 24 hours. And then David and Ellis stayed for two days.

[David Imel]

Sunday. Yeah, stay till Sunday. We saw.

[Ellis Roven]

Wait, Wait. First.

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Ellis Roven]

Thank you to everyone who came.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yes. Seriously.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

That was amazing. That was so much fun. And also we. We met so many of you, and you guys were all so nice and cool and fun, and that was great. I had so much fun.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The crowd was a little smaller than last time, but I would argue louder and more rambunctious. Oh, yes. Marquez on the audio said 30,000. It was probably like 25,000. A little less than we thought, but crowd was awesome. Questions were great. Whoever we met, super cool. We met some people at In N Out, like, the night before, which is really awesome.

[David Imel]

And Ellis. So some other people we met at In N Out were in a band that was playing at south by Southwest. And then Ellis and I went to their show. Yeah. And then this week they're coming to New York. They're from Australia, mate. And.

[Marques Brownlee]

And In N Out is incredible, man.

[David Imel]

Do you know? And then we're gonna. We're gonna hang out with them this week.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Shout Out.

[Ellis Roven]

Swap Meet the Band.

[Marques Brownlee]

Swap.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Meet the Bear. We haven't figured it out.

[Adam]

In and out is having a week.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah. Cuz Mich.

[Andrew Manganelli]

They asked Ellis if he was your Frisbee teammate. So we think they just know you from Frisbee and not from this.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's really funny.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, pretty awesome.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is funny that I was talking about the, like, you know, meeting some of you guys, and 99% of people who came up and said hi were saying, I've watched the videos or I've seen. I've started to get a variety of things. They say, oh, you do the car videos? They'd be like, oh, yeah. Or I'll hear like, oh, you do the Tiktoks. I go, oh, yeah, the Tiktoks. And I think you're the guy at

[Ellis Roven]

Fashion Week or the Mega Gala. Megagala.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I don't get that anymore, but I do. I think, like, one out of every hundred will be like, oh, you're the Frisbee guy. And I'm like, whoa, that's.

[David Imel]

That's a throw every time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Did you miss the one where they came up and went, oh, you're David and Andrew's co host?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I miss that. Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm like, sick.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that was awesome to hear from a lot of you guys. We got some fun questions. So anyway, you guys were there for a little bit after the couple days following our podcast. What did you guys see?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, before we left, and they stayed there, right across from our hotel was this parking lot with like a Tesla experience.

[Marques Brownlee]

And as I believe it's called an activation.

[Andrew Manganelli]

All of Austin was an activation. Literally every single. The coffee shop we went to had ads on our.

[Marques Brownlee]

Everything is an activation.

[David Imel]

What happened to Coachella too, man?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I mean, the local businesses probably made a ton of money, which is probably super helpful.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So glad that a little company like Starbucks can just, like roll it, you know?

[Andrew Manganelli]

But. So, yeah, the Tesla activation was right across from our hotel. So we came back and there was this flatbed truck with a big glass box and the cybercap inside of it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I guess they had a bunch of Teslas in this parking lot. They had model Threes, the new Model Y, the cybertruck. And then they had one trailer in the corner pulled by a matte black cybertruck that was like, clear. That had a single.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It was pulled by a cybertruck. I thought it was just a flatbed. Oh, wow, I missed that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. See, it was a whole activation. You missed it. So they had the little cyber cab in there. Someone actually on Twitter pointed out that that's the same clear trailer they used to bring around, I think, a Model Y when it first got unveiled. And they had, like, the tape that they had, like, pulled the Model Y off, but you could still see the outline of the text that said model Y. That's hilarious. Anyway, they're doing the clear trailer thing, and there's the robo taxi sitting right there.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There's a robo taxi we. Well, so that it was there. Then we saw later on the corner, there was another one parked, not driving, but parked. And then there was other videos of one driving that had a steering Wheel.

[Marques Brownlee]

It reminded me that. That it had scissor doors.

[David Imel]

Yeah, you.

[Marques Brownlee]

I forgot they sort of.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You mentioned that every time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, every time I took it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You're just like, what? Programmed into, like, why did they do.

[David Imel]

Yeah, they opened sort of like a ladybug, you know.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's a good way of putting it.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Wait, so we saw one on the street that was, like, doing its thing.

[David Imel]

It had.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It wasn't doing its thing. It had a steering.

[Adam]

Well, yeah, but I mean, it wasn't. What I was gonna say was. I'm confused because that one was silver gray, I think. And the one we saw in the trailer was gold.

[Ellis Roven]

You saw a Robo taxi?

[David Imel]

That was a Robo taxi.

[Ellis Roven]

A Robo taxi is A modified Model 3 Model Y.

[Marques Brownlee]

A Robo taxi is an unmodified Model Y that is a person in the passenger seat and nobody in the driver's seat that is operating kind of the same way. Like Waymo is in Austin, where you can grab a ride from the app.

[Ellis Roven]

The Cyber Taxi is a fake car made of stickers with gold.

[David Imel]

I did there. Someone was.

[Ellis Roven]

That was our stickers. That's the. Oh, my God.

[David Imel]

Someone was driving one of them, like, very slowly at like 15 miles an hour along the road. Someone did drive Cyber Cab. Yeah. Cybercrime.

[Ellis Roven]

And it had a steering wheel.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Steering wheel, yes.

[Ellis Roven]

So.

[David Imel]

But it has no. It has no side mirrors, which is legal. So they were going at like 15 miles an hour and very slowly.

[Adam]

So when people say that they were driving around Austin in a Robo Taxi. In a Robo Taxi.

[David Imel]

Robo Taxi is the Model Y. Robo

[Marques Brownlee]

taxi service is a ride hailing service of Model Y's.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's like Waymo and Model Y's.

[Marques Brownlee]

So this Cyber Cab, the Cyber Cab, is the.

[Adam]

On the road yet?

[Marques Brownlee]

Not on the road yet. It's the two door, gold painted steering wheel thing. That was the thing we saw.

[Adam]

I thought that people at the live show were saying they saw that driving around, and that's why I was like,

[David Imel]

oh, no, I did see it driving around.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, you did?

[David Imel]

I did. It was driving around very slowly.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, with a steering wheel.

[David Imel]

With a steering wheel.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's not supposed to have a steering

[David Imel]

wheel and it didn't have rear view mirrors or side mirrors. Side mirrors, yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

So allegedly, when the Cyber Cab comes out, it will be sold to human beings in 2026 with no steering wheel pedals or mirrors because.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Two seater. Yeah. Wireless charging. So two things we noticed is one, I thought it was to make this confusing and maybe helps in the confusingness of Adam, right there is it said Robo Taxi on the side. But that's because that's the service. It did light up, which was kind of cool. There's this really funny video of, I guess, them turning it off at night where like 10 Tesla employees are like wrapped around the front trunk to not be able to see the person reaching in to turn it off. Because I guess that's where the switch is.

[Adam]

They do the same thing in soccer when they're about to hit a goal. Really, you stand in a line in front of the person.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So at the event, it has gold aero wheel hubcap, and then it was painted gold. This was like a big sticker that looked pretty terrible.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, there's a whole lot. There's actually a long list of things that people have pointed out have changed between the initial unveiling at the event, because we all got to walk up to that one and sit in it and take videos of it to now what? They're parading around in this trailer. And I'm sure more changes will happen. This happened with the cybertruck. This happens every time. But, yeah, one of those changes was instead of paint on the sidewall of the tire to make it look like a low profile tire, now they had essentially glued a hubcap that is larger than the wheel itself and extends onto the tire to again make it look like a low profile tire. But they glued it to the side of the tire. I don't even think you can, like, you need some amount of brake cooling, and I don't think you can have a completely opaque thing that just seals your brake into the wheel.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, I mean, it was a vinyl sticker.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, it was definitely like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, because this thing isn't driving, so it just has to sit there and look like a cyber robotaxi or whatever. But yeah, the idea is to make it look really futuristic. And part of this futuristic aesthetic is like a big wheel. Like, you see you picture Tron and you're like, oh, big wheel, small car, very futuristic. So they're trying to make it look like a low profile tire and a big wheel. And this is the new way they're doing it is with a sticker.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, I did see someone post a video of them. I guess they didn't really know what it was, but asking one of the Tesla employees, this was the one that was on the corner at the hotel, not in the truck, but not driving. And the way that the Tesla employee described it was, this vehicle is going into production about next month or so potentially available for consumers sometime next year.

[David Imel]

So now they're saying 2027.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, this is. It's hard because this is a singular employee or maybe not even Tesla employee. They may have just been hired for the activation there. I have no idea. But it's a person with a Tesla shirt answering questions about the cyber cab to someone who came up and asked, doesn't he know about that guy?

[Marques Brownlee]

Know about that?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I wish you went and talked to him.

[Marques Brownlee]

I really kind of wanted to. We drove by it and I was like, what if I walked up and just asked, like, when is this thing coming out?

[Andrew Manganelli]

What they have said to me, I have no idea.

[Marques Brownlee]

We have no idea. I guess we'll never know.

[David Imel]

Well, in other car news, Ellis and I got to ride around in the Rivian R2.

[Marques Brownlee]

This one's almost a real car. It's so close. It's. Yeah, it's like a month from now. A couple weeks from now. Yeah, right around.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, cute. What is it? Spring?

[Marques Brownlee]

Spring.

[Andrew Manganelli]

June 20th.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's so close.

[Andrew Manganelli]

June 21st.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's technically just as real as the cybercab right now, but it's so close.

[Adam]

It's very close.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's so close.

[David Imel]

Yeah, we did ride in it. They had a activation. They had an activation there where you would go up a really steep hill and then there was these like, there were these micro hills where the car would rotate back and forth really quickly so that you could see how the suspension was sort of keeping you upright and you felt like you were gonna roll over, but then you. It didn't roll over. It's pretty nice. We rode in it. It felt extremely similar to an R1 in terms of like build quality and stuff like that. You've used it so like, you know, you have experience too. Yeah, that was fun. We had to wait in that line for like an hour because like so many people wanted to be in that, like, try it out.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Do you know is that only the performance that has that active suspension?

[Marques Brownlee]

They all have just active dampers. There's no air suspension in any of them.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, this.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's still a good suspension for what it is.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Performance has semi active suspension and I don'.

[Marques Brownlee]

Semi active dampers.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Other of trims, then it must have been the.

[Ellis Roven]

The performances. So one of the things that was really cool about the Rivian ride along event that I wish all companies would do is that the people driving these cars, engineers were like engineers and developers for the cars.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

I don't know. I feel like it typically, it's really Hard to talk to someone who had a technical input on a product from.

[David Imel]

From.

[Ellis Roven]

Maybe, maybe not for you, Marques.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, this is usually true.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. It's like, it's like generally these companies are like, no, no, no. You're going to talk to the communications people. The engineers will stay locked away in their prison.

[Marques Brownlee]

There are, there's a spectrum of companies and how guilty they are of this. I think maybe near the top of the list is like Apple. You only talk to PR people and marketing people.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But on the other side of the spectrum, there are companies who. It's like, especially a lot of auto companies. You will sit in the car with the chassis engineer or the people who actually helped make that product happen.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which is much more interesting to me.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Anyway, I was. Tell me everything the car knows about what's going on right now and I got a pretty detailed explanation.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

I mean, as details you could be. The whole ride along is like 45 seconds.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So I was like, yeah.2x speed. It does say unique to performance trim. Is it active suspension? Semi active suspension.

[David Imel]

They, they had all these cool plaid colors. I say plaid because it's like stripes of color that kind of like overlay over each other. Kind of like a weave, like a basket weave. More vinyl stickers probably. But everyone was like, oh, these colors are so cool. And then they were like, but we're not going to sell them. They're selling. Yeah, they're selling a few colors. They're selling gray, gray, gray, purple, gray, purple, gray and gray and gray.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's also a green gray and a gray green.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody had tweeted like, oh, these colors are so awesome. Like, why aren't you going to sell these? And Rivian responded like, we love the color selection that we chose.

[Andrew Manganelli]

And I was like, that's the PR person.

[David Imel]

Yeah, gray, gray and gray. I think that they just like are. If you want a fun color, you have to pay way more money. I think that's the move.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm not super in the off roading world, but the liveries on the show cars they had at south by to me looked like they were inspired by the classic Baja trucks. If you know any of those liveries, just for audio listeners who are trying

[David Imel]

to like, who let the dogs out kind of thing.

[Ellis Roven]

No, like the drink at Taco Bell. Oh, no, no. Like Baja, the famous off road truck race.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right, yeah. Yeah. I wonder about this sometimes. Like, I almost want to start a formal petition like, Rivian, please sell us the wrapped R2. It looks so Cool. Remember the camouflage wrap from our initial autofocus video, which was, like, R2D2 themed? Yeah. A lot of people were like, this looks sick. I would want one of these. And I just wonder what, you know, companies tend not to do wraps. Maybe they're worried about, like, vinyl getting damaged or, like, people having a weird experience versus paint. I don't know. But I wish they would sell us these looks. They look cool.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway.

[David Imel]

Yeah. I mean, I guess you could go get a wrap separately and.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

And et cetera. But those do cost a lot of money, so that was fun. There was also the Also bike, which is the Rivian sort of spin off company.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[David Imel]

We saw a guy writing it, and he told us that we could write it, and then we forgot to do it. We were going to do it, and then we forgot. But apparently they're pretty cool. They look pretty interesting. They look kind of like a combination between, like, a nothing phone and, like, an Apple product.

[Ellis Roven]

It looks like a. Like a weird, like, future bike from Meet the Robinsons that someone attached a, like, teenage engineering box.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The box, like, by the pedals, feels very teenage engineering.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

And I know that Quinn Snazzy Labs has done a video, maybe just a short or something about it. He got to go test it out for a while. A few people have seemed pretty cool. They're very expensive, but they're super pricey. So that was neat. And then Ellis and I made a little hike out to the outskirts of Austin to see the Brain Audio Studio.

[Ellis Roven]

I don't know if it's fair to call it. It's just South Congress.

[David Imel]

Well, I've never been there, so I'm

[Marques Brownlee]

gonna call it Upstate New York.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's Westchester. It's Westchester.

[Ellis Roven]

No, we went. We walked about three quarters of a mile south of the river, the outskirts. Ellis, it was hot. It was so hot.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was hot.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. We met up with Brain Audio at the Brain store. Brain Audio being that company that we made a video studio video of a little bit ago that people got really mad at the way we titled it, but I don't care.

[David Imel]

The speaker broke physics.

[Ellis Roven]

And they are working on new product that they just unveiled at ces. We weren't at ces. We didn't get to see it there. It's called the Party Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

And it has the updated version of their rad driver, which is like this subwoofer mechanism that they've developed. Yeah.

[David Imel]

And it's got the power of nine Brain X's, something like that.

[Ellis Roven]

It's Crazy. It's just like, it's crazy. This. So this new speaker is like bigger than brain. It's like we. There's a Brain X sitting right off camera over here.

[Marques Brownlee]

Lunchbox sized.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, this is, this is like Brain Ax is like lunchbox size. Priority Pro is like big, like large microwaves.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to describe.

[Ellis Roven]

And it's just one of those things where you look at it and you go, I can imagine how much bass that box will produce. And then you go, oh my, oh my goodness.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

[Ellis Roven]

It's crazy. And there's a bunch of really cool features that I'm super excited for. And it just seems like we're closer and closer to this rad technology. Being in like actual commercial speakers just

[Marques Brownlee]

crossed my mind as we were talking about the title that we used for the brain video and the meta of reviewing tech on YouTube. You're saying we get the technical information from the manufacturer which then gets obfuscated into more marketing everyday terminology to get given to us, which then we break down into technical information to understand better and then re. Turn back into video.

[David Imel]

We're all just birds.

[Ellis Roven]

I went to a talk. So if you don't know what south by Southwest is, it's like this everything

[Andrew Manganelli]

Andrew joked it's an activation.

[Ellis Roven]

It's the connections convention. And so I went to this talk that was this, the chief marketing officers of Under Armour, the Tokova cowboy boot brand. And then like a major tech company, tech conglomerate that I don't want to say who was, for the sake of the story. And, and I went up to the tech guy afterwards and I was like, you know, you don't know this but you and I have been locked in this intricate one way dance for quite some time. And he was like, what do you mean? And I explained that to him. I was like, you know, you're this marketing officer for this guy. Like your engineering department gives your marketing department this technical sheet that then your marketing department has to turn into stuff that the average person can understand.

[Marques Brownlee]

Press release.

[Ellis Roven]

Like Marques said earlier, a lot of companies do not give us direct access to that information. So then we have to take the press releases and like retail reverse technicalize it to give it to you guys who actually do care about that technical information. And so I explained it, I was like, I was like, I've been doing this dance with you and your marketing department for years now, man.

[Adam]

Yeah, how much is this speaker gonna cost?

[David Imel]

Oh no, I don't know.

[Adam]

But because at the Risk of sounding like a.

[Marques Brownlee]

Make a guess.

[Adam]

Who cares?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's gonna be. It sounds, I mean, the way you're describing it, it sounds like it's not.

[Adam]

It sounds like it's gonna be so expensive that no one's gonna be able to buy it.

[David Imel]

No.

[Ellis Roven]

There's two things I want to say that the first thing is I'm going to steal what David was about to say because it relates to this, which is we cover a lot of like flagship huge tech. The cool part about Brain and working with Brain and talking with these guys is that they are the epitome of like two guys with a garage who are like actually changing the game and making something really, really cool and unique. And even though it's again, it's like this is a. Marketed as a party speaker, you know, I don't think either any of us are the kind of people that like pull up to the beach with like a big giant speaker.

[David Imel]

I mean, they even said they didn't really want to make a party speaker. It was just kind of the natural purpose of what they wanted to do.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. And like, on the topic of I don't know how much it's going to cost, you know, the Brain X is sort of the most expensive, one of the most expensive Bluetooth speakers in its category. The cool thing. One of the, A lot of the cool things about the new party pro is and this is inside baseball speaker knowledge. But there's like this integrated chassis and then the top has these like latch points that connect directly to the chassis so you can stack them on top of each other and form the speaker arrangement called a line array, which is a really common venue system. And then also you can have hanging points. Now you can like hang these from the ceiling. So they made a party speaker, but it's a party speaker that if you have the right hardware, can actually function as an integrated sound system in a small venue. And then they also added like full IO and this proprietary ethernet based communication system. And so like, if you're in the market for like a party speaker, this will be one of the more, my guess is one of the more expensive things in the thing. It's going to have amazing battery life because of the rad technology and how efficient it is. And it's going to get way louder relative to the size and weight of its competitors. And then also it's the kind of thing where if you're already a dork and can sort of look ahead and see these technical opportunities, like you could actually build a pretty cool room with these. Or they have the ability to turn off the tweeters and the woofers and just have the sub be the only actuator. So if you have a small home studio.

[Adam]

At the risk of sounding like who cares?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think I literally forgot you were talking

[Marques Brownlee]

the party parking up the wrong

[Adam]

tree with their market. These are not consumer speakers.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the Bluetooth.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Nothing you said sounds concerning the Bluetooth. I got distracted by some.

[Ellis Roven]

I guess we only care about the fascist pro max freaking.

[Adam]

Most people only care about the cheapest speaker.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's it.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's how it sounds.

[Marques Brownlee]

The Bluetooth speaker market is like one of those crabs where eventually you just end up at party speaker. And the further you go from party speaker, the smaller your market is. And so you're probably going out in price or in size or whatever. So like something like this, a $500 Bluetooth speaker is way outside. Same with 600. Yeah, same with like the Devialet Phantom that we show, which is like obviously an insane. That's like a $2,000 speaker. And it's more of the novelty of like, look at how insane this thing is. And it's capable of some crazy things. And also they're everywhere in Newark Airport. And this is another one of those things where it's like, hey, this one's also insane for these other reasons. And if you're a super audio nerd, you know, you can turn it into just the subwoofer and then have a setup of a bunch of these you can make into a room. But at the end of the day, most people by volume are like, how loud?

[Ellis Roven]

But the answer is louder than literally everything else.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think the benefit there is similar to the DVLA's in the Newark Airport of. If you're a business that needs very few small form speakers that can fill a room, it seems kind of perfect for that price point. Doesn't matter as much.

[David Imel]

That was practically our south by Southwest.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, we got a bunch of barbecue blacks, David and I tacos.

[David Imel]

I went to the Blue Sky X Onion party.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There was Blue Sky, Twitter and the Onion. That's Twitter X

[Marques Brownlee]

got him.

[Ellis Roven]

I went to a party that was

[Andrew Manganelli]

unmastered, but doesn't see him coming when he's the one doing it.

[Ellis Roven]

So I went to a party that

[Andrew Manganelli]

was Kentucky Derby themed and New Year's Eve themed.

[Marques Brownlee]

Some of the weirdest I heard somebody went to a Turbo Tax party. I'm like, what are you guys doing? What's happening?

[Ellis Roven]

The Don Toll TurboTax concert.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, some sci fi stuff.

[David Imel]

That was our Austin experience. Yeah. Now we will move on to what this podcast is usually about.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, also, yeah, we just saw Tom Scott's coming back, which is exciting. He's. He's a friend. He's been on the podcast before. He took a. A two year hiatus from YouTube and he's coming back and I'm very excited to watch everything he makes again.

[David Imel]

Tom Scott and I have also been in an intricate dance that he didn't know about. He wears this red Fruit of the Loom shirt that my grandpa gave me when I was like 5 and that I wore to sleep every night for like 15 years. And then I saw Tom Scott wearing the same shirt and I was like, we are the same. So we dance together.

[Marques Brownlee]

How did he get my shirt?

[David Imel]

How did he get my shirt? Anyway, he's back with a six pack and I think we're gonna take a break now. We have actual content coming up. I promise, I promise.

[Adam]

No one said it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I promise.

[David Imel]

Trivia.

[Ellis Roven]

Guys, thank you so much for mentioning the Tom Scott story, because my trivia question's about Tom Scott and it would have not really made a lot of sense. One of Tom Scott's most legendary videos is the one where he wrote that script. And the title of the video, auto updates based on.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

How many views it has. You're all familiar. No one look it up. Because the question is how many current Price is Right rules. What is the title of that video? And I'm going to hit refresh right before you guys answer the question to make sure we have the most up to date. Remember, this is prices. Right Rules.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like I should know this. So closest without going over it.

[Ellis Roven]

Exactly. So guessing one would be both dumb and genius without.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

Guessing five would be.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I feel like that video has spawns a bunch of other videos trying to like growth hack their way into. Like this YouTube video isn't what you think it is or like somehow it changes. Have you seen the influx of them recently? That's like there are five YouTube videos in this video. And it's somebody makes five separate videos, but then like post it in five different screens in it. And then the audio tracks you swap between are five different audio tracks. So like in two minutes, the guy in the middle, if you click audio track one is that guy talking and then the guy like picture in picture in the side. It might be like the Japanese dub, the whatever. But all they're doing to that.

[David Imel]

But it's all English.

[Andrew Manganelli]

They're just uploading something else. So then like in the top Left is a guy talking that the. The mouth doesn't match the first one. But when you click like Japanese dub. Wow, that's all sick.

[David Imel]

If you watch all of them, you get 500% retention.

[Marques Brownlee]

I love that. And that's hilarious. And also that's specifically a very of the times using the features. Do remember. Okay, this is gonna make me sound old. Mystery guitar man. Is that ring bell. You guys remember. Remember you used to do choose your own adventure with annotations?

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you'd watch the first minute of the video and then there'd be the top half annotation or the bottom half annotation. And you could pick one and it would take you to the next part. And it was a whole series of like a web of things to get you to the end. Yeah, that was.

[David Imel]

That was sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was of the times.

[Ellis Roven]

Have you guys seen like the YouTube trumpets? The YouTube where someone uploads a video that's just like every 30 seconds, it'll be like a different note on the trumpet and then you can take the number.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's good.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Go. Doo doo, doo, doo, doo.

[Marques Brownlee]

That should be forever. That should. That should work today.

[David Imel]

I like people like utilizing the feature sets to. To make weird art.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's cool. Love it.

[David Imel]

All right, well, tell us that trivia question, Ellis. Oh, you already did.

[Marques Brownlee]

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[David Imel]

All right, welcome back. This is part two of the podcast, but this phone has three parts. It's the Samsung Galaxy Tri Fold. Damn, that was good. Thank you. Thought about that one last night.

[Marques Brownlee]

Why is the Tri Fold coming up?

[David Imel]

Okay, so we're talking about the tri Fold because reportedly Samsung is discontinuing it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn, that was fast.

[David Imel]

That was.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was really fast.

[Ellis Roven]

I want to make that a sound bite.

[David Imel]

It was really fast. Yeah. A Samsung spokesperson has told Bloomberg that the Samsung Trifold will be getting one final restock today, March 17, but after that it will be gone. The decision reportedly comes as a result of high production costs, which made the Trifold nearly impossible to make a profit on. You could maybe speculate that RAM prices have a lot to do with that. The entire supply chain is just getting insane. And I am imagine that Samsung was barely making a margin on this thing already. It seems that now they're not even selling that many. It's been reported that fewer than 6,000 units were sold domestically in Korea since it launched, and it launched in Korea before it launched here.

[Marques Brownlee]

Korea was like the main place they were selling it.

[David Imel]

Correct. They did eventually launch in the United States in I believe late January or so. But yeah, it's. It was a short timeline, less than three months for the Trifold. So Samsung did say that they are going to trickle down the technology into future foldable devices, but it was not mentioned about whether or not they were going to make a trifold again, which is kind of. I'm sure they will at some point, but you better buy it now before they're completely sold out if you really want it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, interesting thoughts on that. One thought is that you just said is the technology would trickle down to other folds. I don't know what tech from the Tri Fold is applicable to trickle down to the other folds other than having one more screen. You've seen probably a bunch of videos now on your sub box. A lot of them were sponsored. But now the embargo is up of the oppo find N6, I believe it's called, which is their no feel crease foldable.

[David Imel]

No feel crease.

[Marques Brownlee]

No feel crease. So you look at it and visually there's no crease and you run your finger over it and you can't really feel a crease either. And you know you Get a fresh fold seven out the box and it looks pretty good, but you fold it a bunch of times and you start to see that crease form. And this one is supposed to be rated for some thousands of folds and should never appear to have a crease that you can feel, which is really cool. That's a tech I'd want to trickle down into a bunch of other foldables. The tri fold to me was just Samsung going, hey, what if this works? Let's try it. We're Samsung. And then you know, it happened to. I'm punning today, but yeah, sometimes it doesn't work and sometimes people don't buy it. And it's also $3,000.

[David Imel]

It was also really, really, really expensive. But I think the fact that it's not even selling that well in its like home country, like Samsung is a lot of Korea. So if it's not selling well there. Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

They make everything that's like coming out with an electric car that doesn't sell well in California. You're like, well, we're cooked. You can't sell well here.

[David Imel]

It's like not selling very many avocados in California.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's. Yeah, exactly.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The best part about this was they cooked with the the subtitle for the Verge article and just said it didn't try for very long. DRI is it just weatherbed. Kudos.

[David Imel]

Very nice. Damn. Yeah, so again, you want to get on that for $3,000, you be my guest. But I think most reviews were like, it's cool, it's interesting and it's neat, but it's still kind of lacking. And yeah, we'll see in the Future.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Maybe Trifold 2 is just coming out soon.

[David Imel]

I don't think that's.

[Marques Brownlee]

I will say Trifold is available. It's eligible still for a smartphone award. 2026.

[David Imel]

Perfect. Best big phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's just even though it only was three months of 2026, that is kind

[David Imel]

of sad because then the awards come out and then you can't buy it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep. Have we ever had a discontinued phone win an award?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Like, yeah, like come out, get discontinued and win it.

[David Imel]

Has anything else really been discontinued besides the Note 7?

[Marques Brownlee]

Has the hydrogen get discontinued before it won the award?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay, the Bust award doesn't count.

[David Imel]

That makes the most that was still available, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

It might when I gave it the award.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Maybe I mean essential got discontinued, but it was a while later.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be truly unprecedented times we're living in.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

LG probably died mid year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So that probably means there was a phone that came out. I mean the Wing probably came out within a year of it. LG quitting.

[David Imel]

Oh, that's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The wing didn't win any.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, yeah, the Wing was great. The Wing was pretty sure won all the awards.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Well, speaking of phones that probably won't

[David Imel]

get discontinued, maybe actually had a different segue.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was going to throw too because I have. Okay, by the time you're watching this, Our Nothing Phone 4A and 4A Pro reviews or one review is out. I'm gonna actually hold it. I have the 4A Pro right here. This is the pink one. It's not the best looking version of this phone. I think the mono colored versions are better pink, allegedly. I reviewed the phones and I also have this theory because we've talked about nothing before about why they're not doing a flagship this year. They're not doing a. Yeah, you can hold it. They're not doing a nothing phone four. They're just doing a 4A. Yeah. And a 4A Pro.

[David Imel]

4A Pro light.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it's interesting and I think you mentioned RAM prices. I think nothing is in a really tough spot. Whereas a smaller company, they don't get the best costs because their order sizes from suppliers are smaller and in general they probably spend more for all the same specs as the big flagship companies. They, at these conditions can't really make a competitive flagship. Last time they tried was nothing phone three last year, 800 bucks kind of got flamed for it. They put a flagship chip in it, but it just wasn't a full on flagship. Especially the camera performance. What they do thrive at is really good mid range phones. These are competitive, good, well priced mid range phones. The nothing phone 4A is €349, £349. It's really good for that price. Triple cameras for that price. IPhone can't say that. Pixel can't say that. Samsung might have a triple camera phone phone at that price. But it's like, that's Nice. It's an OLED, it's 120Hz. It's a Snapdragon 7S Gen 4. It's a good phone for 349. And then the 4A Pro that you're holding is US$500 and it's not as great of a deal, but it's still pretty good. So yeah, the reviews are out. I'm curious, you know, now that you're holding one and looking at the 4A Pro, what you think of.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I Want to boot it up real quick and just kind of see the. The stuff again, like you said. So it's metal, so no wireless charging.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[David Imel]

Metal phones are sick, but no wireless charging is sad.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, I'm fine with that because, like, if you give me no wireless charging in a glass pack, then I'm mad. If you're gonna not give us wireless charging, then give me the premium and then I'm okay with it.

[Marques Brownlee]

True. The 4A does not have wireless charging.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I will miss wireless charging, but I'm glad they at least gave you the premium other option.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that nothing is still doing a pretty good job with the constraints that they had. Like you said, the $349 one is cooking like crazy. I. You know how on Twitter randomly some bot will like a tweet that you made from like 10 years ago?

[Marques Brownlee]

All the time.

[David Imel]

All the time. So yesterday a bot liked a tweet that I had made in a thread about the Pixel 4a when it first came out. And that phone was $349. And I really, obviously Pixel 4a is one of my favorite pixels they ever made. Hardware plastic, very cheap, and I was sort of just talking about the software makes up for it, et cetera, et cetera. This is like, I mean, the. The nothing phone 3.4A is sort of like the. It's a much better version of that. So it's got everything that the Pixel 4a had, but, you know, it's more premium in many, many ways. So if you look like, you know, even if you add inflation into account, we're how many years? Six years after the Pixel 4a and we still have this. Being able to buy something like that at 349 is still an incredible deal, especially in the universe we are currently living in with like RAM shortages and stuff.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

So, but like you said, it's going to come down to whether or not you actually want the extra stuff that comes with the Pro. And if you're okay with the metal unibody versus the other designs.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I just find the positioning fascinating.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I. Yeah, I think it's good positioning. I think these phones are awesome at their price point. I don't love the pink on this as much because inside the camera bump, it doesn't match. Whereas the black one has a, like, black interiors and the silver one has the white interiors. This basically has the silver interiors. On the camera bump, they didn't send us a silver one, which I think is the best looking one. Yeah, it matches the best with the red accent and everything, which I'm bummed about. But there's a small example I wanted to throw in here of Ellis talking about how, like, technical versus marketing aspects and how that can kind of be confusing. And it made me realize, like, sometimes with these briefs or like press briefings and the briefs that they actually send us feels like we're translators at some point because we need to find. Goes from technical to marketing jargon to us then trying to figure out the level of technical end jargon to use. But on the 4 a pro with the glyph system. The interface. The LED interface.

[Marques Brownlee]

Glyph matrix.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The glyph matrix. Thank you. They write it is like 50% bigger and twice as bright. So we are doing the script and I'm like going through it and making sure everything's correct and seeing what else we can add to it. And I go, oh, it's bigger. The easiest way to prove that it's bigger other than showing it is to find out how many LEDs are inside of it. Because they made a big deal of it being like 137 mini LEDs in here. So I was like, cool, the old one must be less. And then I keep getting this, that the Nothing 3 has 489 micro LEDs. Why this has 137 mini LEDs, but is bigger. So their way of saying this is, oh, this is physically bigger but also way worse resolution. But we're not gonna. We're not gonna say it has less pixels in it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they'll never say that in the press release.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Truthfully, I don't think it matters. I think it gets the point across in there. I don't think you need. Because the resolution still looks terrible on the 489 pixel one. But that's an example of those.

[David Imel]

499 is still a very good price for a phone like this.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just have. I have beef the higher they go up in the range and I think that would have. It would have toppled with a Pro phone or with a flagship phone. It's like the 349 nothing 4A is a great deal and a really good phone for the price. You're spending theoretically 150 more dollars for this Pro phone. All you're getting, honestly, is the aluminum build and the glyph matrix. You know, the screens are almost the same. They're a tiny bit bigger. The pixel density is almost the same, but the brightness is almost the same. The cameras are almost the same.

[David Imel]

The same chipset.

[Marques Brownlee]

This chipset goes from a Snapdragon 7S Gen 4 to a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4. The RAM is the same, the storage is the same. It's like almost the same phone. Pro features. I'm like, oh, it's the Pro. Maybe there's some camera features or there's some pro things that are enabled by the software. I think it's just HDR video on the Pro and 140x zoom instead of 70x zoom, world's first, which is just crop. So the 150 bucks up to the 4A Pro is like now it's a decent value. If they tried to go. That was the shutter sound.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

If they tried to go all the way up, I think to a flagship 8$900 phone and put a Snapdragon 8S Gen 5 or whatever in there and tried to go 12 gigs of RAM and all this other stuff, high end storage, high end screen, high end cameras. They would be looking at their thinnest margins and their least competitive phone. And so they just didn't do it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There is one thing you get with the 4A Pro versus the 4A, which is the ability to purchase it in the United States. The 4A is not coming to the

[Marques Brownlee]

US which is too bad because it's a better deal.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, I guess the other thing is just design. Yeah, you might like this design with the metal body better. I. It's definitely doing the silver version and

[David Imel]

the silver looks really cool. Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You think this is louder? Yes, I think this is less loud than the 4A. 4A, the foray still has all of the like designs and everything going through it where this is like keeping it

[David Imel]

up into just this pill, the bean or whatever plateau.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This is the plateau. That's the bean, the beans, the camera.

[David Imel]

But I'm talking about the 4A.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh yeah.

[David Imel]

4A is just one big bean.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yes.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I think that is more subtle overall. I understand. Like they've got the clear back and everything, but the bean itself I think is more subtle. I think we should call it the pill, not the bean.

[Marques Brownlee]

Speaking of weird marketing terms to use for tech products, did you guys know that the AirPods Max top headband is called the canopy?

[Andrew Manganelli]

What? That actually makes a lot of sense.

[Adam]

No, I call the headband the most.

[Marques Brownlee]

Did you know that thing?

[David Imel]

I have ever heard

[Andrew Manganelli]

so much.

[Marques Brownlee]

I only know this because. I only know this because they just came out with the AirPods Max 2 news of the week. Very quietly announced with a press release on the Apple newsroom. It has an H2 chip in there. And new amplifiers and that's kind of all you need to know.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, it doesn't even have a new canopy?

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, it's new colors, I guess, but physically on the outside it's the same. There's no new on off switch, there's no new case. All of the normal AirPods Max things switch at all. Yeah, all the normal, normal AirPods Max form factor stuff still there. But new amplifiers and H2 chip, potentially better sound but also one and a half times stronger. Active noise cancellation. And then a couple interesting computational features like studio quality mics, allegedly you should not conversational awareness or voice isolation when you're on a phone call. Stuff like that. That's what the chip is doing.

[David Imel]

Apple, if you can record an album using AirPods Max as the microphone, then

[Marques Brownlee]

it will be be sold again. Apple is in pure marketing land with these terms. But yes, the top of the AirPods Max is officially called the canopy. So if you ever wanna refer to that top piece, that's what that is.

[Adam]

David, why would you give them that idea? They're gonna release an album now.

[Marques Brownlee]

Good.

[Ellis Roven]

That's a studio video right there.

[David Imel]

Studio quality. Yeah, true.

[Marques Brownlee]

Choo choo. It's funny cause Apple does make some products that are genuinely professionally used all the time and they can go, hey, here's an album that was made in mix on a MacBook Pro with their speakers. And you'd be like, that's crazy. But I guess someone could do that. But then there's like the studio quality microphones on the imac and you're like, no studio has ever used these microphones.

[David Imel]

Studio quality is a stretch. Is a stretch. I do think you can kind of record. You could record a podcast with the MacBook microphones and it sounds okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep, yep. I think many people have glare. I mean not. We wouldn't. There's many people have.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, Chance. It sounds better than quite a few.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but yeah, yeah. Well, they sort of updated it with a lot of the things that the AirPods Pro 3 got. I think that's the reason that they wanted to do it because the AirPods Pro 3 were technically better in multiple ways. Like you're able to answer calls by nodding and reject them by shaking your head. They added that. They added the game mode that reduces the wireless latency if you want to use them for gaming. So they added that they now have a camera remote feature on the. On the Digital Crown or the Crown where you can like press it and it will take a photo with your iPhone or your iPad.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's What I was really waiting to

[David Imel]

upgrade for, I was just thinking like, this is for selfies generally. And then you have to be wearing AirPods Max. In yourself.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Which is exactly what Apple marketing wants.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The thing that's weird about that is like, I'm not mad that they added a feature. No, it doesn't take away. I can't imagine. But in order to use that, you generally would need a camera shutter remote for like a group photo. So that means you either are in the group photo with AirPods holding your AirPods Max, or you have it on while the rest of the people in your group don't. And then you just. This is just a big.

[David Imel]

For Apple to like, get more AirPods Max. And photos.

[Marques Brownlee]

I gotta see if you can do use this feature while they're not on your head.

[David Imel]

That's a great question. Because they don't. They just turn off. If you don't have them on your

[Marques Brownlee]

head, typically they just stop or.

[David Imel]

That would be so funny if you could only use them while they're on your head.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I got it.

[Adam]

They don't turn off. There's no off button.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Even if you're holding them. That's weird. You're still holding a pair of air pads.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I would build hold them in my hand and like, put them behind my back and then. And take a picture like this in the group with the crown behind my back. I hit the button.

[Adam]

David.

[Ellis Roven]

The I forgot that they go to sleep mode and take them off your head. That makes the recording an album with them even funnier because you'd have to

[Andrew Manganelli]

like, stick your head in the face drum of the like, in a recording,

[Ellis Roven]

you have to like, literally put your head right next to the guitar amp.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[David Imel]

True.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This might be a studio parody.

[David Imel]

That's basically what Vision Pro does. When you're taking Vision, bro, you have

[Marques Brownlee]

to go, oh, yeah, yeah. Someone's gotta do a like taking Apple ads literally.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, oh, this is a studio quality microphone. Okay. And just put their head up against the guitar. That would be really funny.

[David Imel]

There's now a personalized volume feature that automatically fine tunes volume based on your preferences over time, which I believe means, like, it analyzes how loud you're listening to music on a, like, long period of time.

[Adam]

So it's just always gonna be maxed out.

[Ellis Roven]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know why that's fine? Because there's no number associated with it.

[Ellis Roven]

No, that's.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's not fine.

[Ellis Roven]

That's not fine. That's like my worst nightmare.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, Ellis, I just was. Do you Also hate the fee. I would love your thoughts on the feature of, like, you know how some cars, when you get up to a certain speed, will automatically increase the music volume while you're driving? Yeah. This feels like that, doesn't it?

[Ellis Roven]

You know, to me, that feature I've always had a problem with, not on a audio level, but on like that. It feels like it encourages you to drive like a maniac. You drive faster so the music gets louder. So you drive faster than music.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Sorry, officer, the volume was just too low.

[Ellis Roven]

Like my. I like. I want my headphone. I want to learn my headphones. I don't want my headphones to learn me so that I can interpret everything coming out of the headphones. Because I would love to be able to use AirPod Max for work. Like, I would love it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think all of these features are designed for the opposite.

[Ellis Roven]

No, I know they sound. I think they sound good enough to do a decent amount of professional audio work on. And the idea of having one headphone that I have, like a listen mode and I know what, like, music and podcasts sound like on it, and then I can go and work on them and, like, work as a reference, but there's such a black box as far as their processing that I would not be able to trust anything that comes out of them.

[Marques Brownlee]

They should have a studio mode.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a free idea for Apple.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because you know that there are people who are trying to. To use these for that exact application. And because of all this computing, it's not ideal for that. But if there was just a studio button.

[Adam]

Wait, question.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam]

If you used the USB C adapter to 3.5 millimeter cable and plugged it in for the lossless quality, does that still have the personal.

[Ellis Roven]

You gotta get your facts straight, bucko, because the three point, the USB C to 3.5 millimeter does not support lossless.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nobody C2C.

[Ellis Roven]

Only C2. C. C supports.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Imel]

C to C. Okay, so if you

[Adam]

use the C to C for. For whatever reason, does that. Would that be the studio mode?

[Marques Brownlee]

It would be a nice, like, trigger to give you the button. It's still doing all the. Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

I think. I think. I think all the processing happens on the H2 chip, which. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that's a free idea for Jaws or whoever's watching the pod right now from Apple.

[Ellis Roven]

I was waiting to see how long it would take for someone to be like. And they support Lossless.

[David Imel]

It is funny that they waited till now to call it 2 because they released the updated AirPods Max with USB C that was. And that technically added the, like, lossless via USB C. And they changed the

[Marques Brownlee]

colors a little bit.

[David Imel]

And they changed the colors. Now they changed the chip and now it's two. Yeah, I don't really know why that makes it two.

[Adam]

That one's called Gen 1. It's still Gen 1 with USB C.

[Marques Brownlee]

Gen 1 with USB C. AirPods Max. Then AirPods Max with the OBC and then AirPods now AirPods Max 2.

[David Imel]

I'm.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm excited for them. I know, I know we're not generally AirPods Max like lovers in this room, but I just think after you, after

[Marques Brownlee]

your rant, I did, I did fly to south by with my AirPods Max instead of the Sony's. And they sound phenomenal.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, they're fantastic.

[Marques Brownlee]

They sound phenomenal. They're awesome for flying. And I'm excited to hear what 1 1/2 times stronger ANC sounds like me too. But they wish they folded.

[David Imel]

Folded.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I wish I didn't have to take up my entire backpack.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I wish they were nice to use. Like, a crazy thing to say about a 500 pair. I just wish they did any of the things I wanted.

[David Imel]

They have made their Andrew 550. It is quite, like, crazy and kind of ironic that such a simple design has become so, like, iconic. Like, I see them all over Brooklyn.

[Marques Brownlee]

They're pretty vicious.

[David Imel]

People run with these things, which is insane to me because they're so heavy.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's insane. They're not meant for.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, don't do that. The canopy can't support that.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's why I say they're perfect for flying because it's perfect for flying. Because they weigh so much that you just lean your head back because you're on a plane. And they have anc. So awesome. Anc. And they're heavy and it doesn't matter. And the canopy sits nicely on your head.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Apple really likes to make things that are really bad for your neck. The Vision Pro.

[David Imel]

Vision Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, man.

[David Imel]

Use these with the Vision Pro F1 drivers. Oh, my God.

[Ellis Roven]

Have you guys seen the crazy, like, suite of third party accessories that exist now? For what In New York? Because David's right. Like, I see AirPods Ma all the time in New York. And so, like, people, like, there are all sorts of, like, clear slash opaque covers you can get and, like, sticker packs. And, like, I've seen people. You can get attachable cat ears for the canopy. Like, people really, like, like, personalize them.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Razor's been all over that oh, God, the cat ears.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I have seen that.

[David Imel]

They're still 550.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Still really expensive. You could buy this or you could buy MacBook Neo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Truly.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, my God.

[Marques Brownlee]

This was one of my favorite takes on Twitter was that seeing MacBook Neo and AirPods Max next to each other in the same store is truly. Like, those are the opposite approach to a product. Like, MacBook Neo is going as low as possible in price to essentially maximize your chances of customer acquisition in, like, the masses. And then hopefully that gets the people into, like, buying Apple services and buying other Apple products. And that's the, like, Trojan horse of, like, all right, now I'm an Apple guy.

[Adam]

MacBook Neo is their YouTube shorts for discovery.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it's a big funnel. But AirPods Max are the exact opposite. It's like, these are. You're not going to get these as your first Apple product. I ever.

[Ellis Roven]

Wait, can I tell a recommending MacBook Neo story that happened yesterday?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Because I feel like, you know, it's like I. Someone was like, oh, you're. It was my. It was actually really funny. It was one of my doctors. We were in the middle of an appointment. She was like, by the way, like,

[Andrew Manganelli]

tech guy, like, I've had this happen.

[Ellis Roven]

Should I get the Neo? And I was like, I don't know. Like, probably. Like, unless you're doing anything, you know, you do. Do you make tick tocks on the side? Like, Dr. Tick Tocks? And she was like, no, no, no. She's like, to be honest, I'm less worried about the computer doing stuff, and I'm more worried about, like, switching to. To Mac from Windows because I've just always been a Windows person. And I was like, you know, it's kind of cool switching to Mac. Like, if you have an iPhone, like, you'll get your texts on your computer and stuff. And she was like, you'll get your texts on your computer. And I was like, you need to know.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, my God.

[Ellis Roven]

Like, you. This is who it's about. This is who it's.

[David Imel]

That's funny. That is funny. Well, there are new colors, as we mentioned. There's Midnight, which is gray. There's Starlight, which is great. I'm just kidding. There's Starlight, which is gold. There's orange, which is orange, but it's kind of burnt. There's purple, which is lilac. And there is blue, which is sky blue.

[Adam]

My favorite part is that you can mix and match these ear cups. Like, the ear cups just pop off so easily, which is, like, great. For long.

[David Imel]

And now there are so many colors of AirPods Max ear cups that you could just go crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they all work with each other.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Now you can have $700 headphones.

[David Imel]

One more quick Apple story before we take it to break. You guys might not know this, the listeners of the podcast, unless you are a content creator, but Motion vfx, which is a plugin suite that basically sells really nice plugins for final cut Pro, DaVinci, resolve and premiere Pro, we use extensively at the office. We use so many of these. Marques has been using the mblueprint plugin since the beginning of time, since the dinosaurs.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's true.

[David Imel]

It's very true. And they got acquired by Apple yesterday, which we don't really know how to feel about because Apple obviously makes Final Cut Pro and this company makes very good plugins for DaVinci, Resolve and Premiere Pro.

[Adam]

They owe Marques a lot of money.

[David Imel]

We do have an MKBHD plugin.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was gonna say I've been using them for so long that I actually. They noticed that I've been using them for so long and they were like, what if we collabed on an MKBHD plugin where we have like a bunch of of your most used stuff and then some other custom stuff. And we were like, oh, yeah, that's awesome. So we made an MKBHD plugin in the MotionVFX suite. Apple also acquired all of that. They get that too.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's a weird.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah. Apple owns our plugins.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So I'm assuming they're gonna do the Dark sky thing where unfortunately they're Gonna stop supporting DaVinci, resolve and premiere. Right.

[David Imel]

I reached out to them and they didn't reply, so I don't know.

[Adam]

They will.

[Marques Brownlee]

The second they bought Dark sky, it was no longer available on Android. And I just feel like that's the first thing you're going to do is like, make this plugin suite Apple only

[David Imel]

I could see them still supporting the existing plugins but not making new ones. For.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Didn't they kill Dark sky altogether too?

[Marques Brownlee]

Eventually? Yes.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, they just. But at first it was going to be a Final Cut feature.

[David Imel]

Every single plugin just integrated into Final Cut.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, here's how. Yeah, this is how I. This is how I forecast it going. And I'm bad at predicting the future,

[David Imel]

but this is the weather app. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, this is how I think it will go based on how past things have gone. Number one, they buy it, so number two, now they pull support for DaVinci Resolve and Premiere and it's just available for Final Cut. And then eventually in some year and a half down the road version of Final Cut, we'll start to see stuff from Motion VFX built into Final Cut Pro. And then they eventually just Sunset Motion vfx. And then it is what it is. All the plugins that I've been buying for years will eventually kind of like my Dark Sci subscription, just be wasted money. And ideally, a lot of that stuff gets pulled in and becomes a reason for people to use Final Cut. Because that's what Apple wants.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's ideally for Final Cut, that's ideally not for everyone else.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's ideal for.

[Adam]

No, if they're going to pull it into Final Cut, I feel like they're just going to make it its own separate thing in the creator studio.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a good reason to subscribe to the creator apps. That's a good.

[David Imel]

That'd be crazy. That'd be insane value.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

I mean, each of those plugins are like, stop. Yeah. Well, each of those plugins are like $80. They're not cheap.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There's a lot of.

[David Imel]

And they come like, when you buy one plugin, it comes with a ton of different plugins inside of it.

[Adam]

And not for.

[David Imel]

They are like 80 bucks.

[Adam]

But that, like the Motion VFX plugins have like the YouTuber industry, like kind of locked in.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Unless you want to start building your own stuff or like if, you know, After Effects, if you have a Michael who's just amazing at graphics.

[David Imel]

There's also motion array, but motion array is not good. Like, there's stuff has never been that good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Motion. Motion is just not good.

[David Imel]

Apple motion is terrible. Yes.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I use the MKBHD plugins all the time.

[David Imel]

I mean, there's pics, like, there's Pixelmator. You know, like they bought pixelmator and it's still a dedicated app that got put into the Education bundle.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's in the bundle.

[David Imel]

Creative bundle.

[Adam]

Yeah. The creator one or the creator one?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Creative.

[Adam]

I mean, educated. Oh, my God, I can't speak. The education one.

[David Imel]

The creator.

[Marques Brownlee]

The creator studio. That's the creator.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Pixelmator was already just an Mac. Mac app.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So this is weirder because now we're potentially losing like Dark sky, losing the other platforms, which sucks. But we're just speculating, though. Yeah. The funniest thing kind of about this is Marques tweets about Final Cut crashing all the time. And Apple loves to be like, we tried to recreate all These things and we're just seeing no problems. Little do they know, Motion VFX and Final Cut hate each other.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Seems you hate each other a lot. Like, it works great. We still love Motion vfx, but the majority of the time Final Cut crashes is like a plug in.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Like right when the playhead gets there,

[Ellis Roven]

it's like when your dad marries your boat and now you guys are stepdothers.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But like, I feel like every time you tweet about that, someone from Apple's like, what's going on? What's going on? And now they're gonna buy it and start using it and be like, oh, my God, people work like this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they're gonna.

[Andrew Manganelli]

They're gonna crash all the time.

[Marques Brownlee]

They're gonna learn real quick. Yeah, I think most of. Probably most of my bugs for the last couple years I've used Final Cut are not actually a Final Cut bug. They are a plugin with Final Cut. I shoot red. There's the red plugin. That plugin has caused many crashes. Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's the Motion VFX plugins. Those have caused many crashes. So over the years, every time I'll have like a really frustrating edit with Final Cut because it starts crashing over and over and I tweet about it. The Final Cut team reaches out and they're like, what's going on with Final Cut? And I'll send them the logs. And they're like, yeah, maybe disable that plugin and see if it still happens. And then it's fine.

[David Imel]

It's like when using Windows. Cause your Nvidia display driver crashes on your HP Omen laptop powered by Asus ram.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's such a good segue. There's just unfortunately a trivia break in between.

[David Imel]

Oh.

[Marques Brownlee]

So hold that thought. Let's do trivia.

[Adam]

That was good, though. That was good. Okay, question number two. So Apple's high speed event announced such classics as MagSafe and HomePod mini.

[David Imel]

Dang.

[Adam]

What year was that event?

[Marques Brownlee]

My Speed Mag Safe. Okay, I know, I know.

[Adam]

Mag Safe and Home Pod Mini.

[Ellis Roven]

Are we doing Delta or Prices.

[David Imel]

Right, Guilty.

[Adam]

This one, I think. Let's do Delta.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let's do Delta United.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Do you know what I found the other day? Not totally related to this, but kind of.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really.

[Andrew Manganelli]

We have that one butcher's block. And do you remember when the original HomePods used to stain wood when you left it on it for too long?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

We still have this butcher's block that just has a white circle on it because we left a home pot on it for like 24 hours. Not even that long. The, like, the rubberized bottom just straight up stained wood.

[David Imel]

That's a. That's a. How did they not even test this?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

All right, we'll take it to break and come back.

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[David Imel]

All right, welcome back. Another thing that happened this week was Nvidia's annual GTC conference in San Francisco. They sometimes reveal new graphics cards. They sometimes actually all the time reveal new AI. This year, they revealed new AI, as usual. So there is a thing that Nvidia has been doing for quite a few years now called dlss. It's Deep Learning Super Sampling. Back when AI was called Deep Learning. They have their new version, which is DLSS5, which is the thing that has been getting the most chatter in the last couple of days. And the reason for this is because what DLSS usually does is it sort of upscales content that that doesn't actually have to be rendered by the graphics card. It's like AI models that do upscaling. This year they kind of took it to the next. I don't know if you want to say next level or if like a whole nother level entirely, because basically what this is doing is it is looking at the pixels and then it's generating texture maps that are anchored to the scene's content to make it look high resolution while not taking more processing power. The reason people are making memes about this is because it's basically doing like generative texture mapping to a lot of the stuff. And a lot of the resulting images kind of just look like they. It's almost this uncanny valley thing where they. They almost look like real people. But it's like that. It's that close off that it feels awkward. And the sharpening and the. The contrast are just way up on everything. Yeah. All the jackets look like really, really contrasty and sharpened Clarity slide. The clarity slider so high up.

[Ellis Roven]

It's like the spiritual clarity slide. Because I just feel like a lot of them are like. Well, a lot of them. It's like. It's like this is an old person, so let's make them look as old as possible.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm looking at. I'm watching the side by side video right now, and each time they do the side by side, every little bit of microtexture, it's literally like throwing the clarity slider up. Like, every bit of micro texture turns into like very visible text. And so if you have a person that has a little bit of wrinkles, the Hogwarts legacy one adds a lot of wrinkles.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Adam]

It also was a little annoying because it kind of like reminded me a little bit of HDR almost where some of the stuff, the shadows just get completely pulled up. Yeah, it's like they just get rid of shadows and they add detail, but it's like that didn't need to be there. Like, why do I need to see the background character's T shirt, you know?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

This is also getting a lot of flack. Because they showed some demos with like Resident Evil, which they always like to use Resident Evil for their demos. And a lot of people were saying that the DLSS5OFF image was like, not even what it looks like in game. It's actually way higher quality than the off image that they showed. So people were speculating that they down quality, like made the quality lower just so it could look like a bigger difference. So there was some drama around that. The biggest question mark, as with most AI features, just becomes like, if you are letting the graphics card use deep learning to create textures for you, how much of that gets taken away from the original artists?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's like the question.

[David Imel]

And Nvidia says, like, it's different in that when it generates these textures and stuff, they get rooted to the actual model. So it's not like it's generating like the scenes dynamically and changing everything dynamically, but. And there are some sliders that the developers are going to be able to use for how much shading they want on certain things, how much like light they want on certain things, the way that the texture is gonna look. But yeah, just one of those kind of like moral quandaries where everyone's a little bit weirded out by this.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have maybe a stupid question. That's okay, I guess if the idea is this technology and these models are individually on your gpu, analyzing the scene and upscaling. Not upscaling, but like doing the improvement to quality.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Does that mean that's. Theoretically everyone could look at the same exact map or have the same exact thing they're doing in a game, but it could look slightly, slightly different?

[David Imel]

I don't know. That is something that I will have to investigate. Yeah, it's possible. I mean, you're just generative and it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But it's taking the exact. Oh, yeah, I guess generative.

[David Imel]

Like they have sl. They said that the developer has some sliders, but I don't know how to control over the actual text, resulting textures.

[Marques Brownlee]

The.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The developer would send the game out to everyone. So everyone should have the exact same game. So it should be same source material. You'd think you would be taking the same source material and doing it exactly the same, but I guess a lot

[David Imel]

of generative stuff is random.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, it's based on like, noise, which will have a different seat. But also, remember a few weeks ago, I was like, yo, how does DLSS work? This. This blows my mind. And then a bunch of people emailed me and I. I still don't understand.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's. Yeah, I Feel like Nvidia has this weird thing where wherever they release something really good, the way I find out is by a bunch of of memes on online. It's like that's how I know something huge in Nvidia just happened.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's actually valid. Same.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, they need to do that because if Nvidia drops something that isn't the greatest thing in the world, the entire US economy crashes.

[David Imel]

That's also true.

[Marques Brownlee]

The bubble will die.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh my God.

[David Imel]

Yeah. There was a big rumor that at this event they were going to launch their own ARM based consumer PC chips. The N1 and the N1X. That did not come out at this conference yet. It could also drop at the very last minute because it's still going on. It probably won't though. And that would be very interesting because then they would be competing with Snapdragon and Intel and all these things. But Nvidia as they are invested in many companies that are also heavily invested in Intel. So that's kind of like a weird, weird little collaboration there. Anyways, these will be available on RTX 50 series GPUs in the fall and I guess we'll be able to see how either terrible or good it actually is once that happens. Speaking of gaming, really quickly there is this new split mouse thing that starts as a regular mouse. I actually, I could have used this this weekend because Ellis and I had a four hour delay at the airport and I wanted to play Dota and didn't have a mouse. And we walked all around the airport for like an hour and I found one mouse that's probably 30 years old and it was $30 and I, I did not buy it and I used my trackpad and it was a horrible experience playing Dota 2. Anyway, this mouse looks like a regular kind of travel mouse and then you can split it in half and then it's like these Switch style gamepads.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is this real? Oh, it's pre order.

[David Imel]

It's a, it's Kickstarter.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think it's called the Pixel Paw. It's if you, for audio listeners, if you imagine just a black, a regular black mouse, two buttons, you'll notice there's no scroll wheel because that split between the buttons follows the entire length of the mouse because that's where it literally just snaps in half. And now you have a full game console split like Joycon controllers. There's no scroll wheel because it wouldn't make sense.

[David Imel]

So really annoying.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Left side you have your joystick and D pad right Side you have ABXY

[David Imel]

and another sparkle emoji button. What does that do?

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's on both of them. Um, this is, you know, it's Bluetooth and dongle support. 72 hours of battery life, thousand hertz polling rate. I can't believe this thing. Well, it's not really yet. So whatever. This has a thousand hertz polling rate, but the Logitech MX Master 4 does not. Multi device pairing. What's funny is the render of this looks awesome. But then the videos they actually post. The texture of the mouse looks very 3D printed, so I'm not quite sure how far along they are.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but this imagery makes me really nervous.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The imagery kind of makes me nervous.

[David Imel]

For me.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, the. It's a really cool design. I don't. It doesn't look like the most comfortable mouse in the world. It has these really big like pieces on the back where the back of your palm almost wrist would.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Sit. And I don't know if that feels nice or not.

[David Imel]

I am annoyed by the lack of scroll wheel. That's pretty annoying.

[Andrew Manganelli]

No, scroll wheel kind of feels like a deal breaker because whether you're just productivity or playing games, scroll wheel almost always does something.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Really important to what you're doing. Totally. So that kind of sticks. But it could, you know, it's Bluetooth and has a dongle. It can connect to a bunch of different things and just be a straight up controller. Which is kind of neat.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Maybe if you're using Steam Deck as like. Like bringing a Steam Deck around. It might be kind of cool for different types of games that work better with a mouse or a controller.

[David Imel]

Yeah. And if you compare this to a switch too, it also make a lot of sense.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Switch two.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But real quick, since we're talking about mice, I got a new mouse recently that I think is kind of neat. So I'll talk about it as fast as possible.

[David Imel]

What's his name?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Herbert Stuart Little. He's a little boy. His name is Pwnage. This is a company where I'm not. I do not love their name. But 2008, I do like a lot of their products.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can see the target demographic.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, exactly. This is very obviously a gaming mouse. They do make also one of my favorite home hall effect keyboards. But this is the Sim 3. They make a bunch of mice and what they do really cool is they're like ultra customizable. I brought it here. Essentially what this is is it's a gaming mouse that has Kind of all the specs you would ever want. Up to 8,000 Hz polling rate, 200 hours of battery life, 50 grams without holes. Kind of the. The ideal mouse. But the problem with a mouse is no matter how good all the specs are, it comes down to feel. And it's really hard to tell how a mouse feels by the Internet. Sometimes you just have to buy a couple of them to see. This is super customizable. With almost no tools, you can just pop the back off and have different colors and sizes of where your palm raises. So it can like pump up more, it can go down more.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, you know, there's this reminds me of.

[Andrew Manganelli]

They're also. Each button can really easily just pop right off.

[David Imel]

Dang.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So now you can do different colors. You can have different size indents in each mouse button. Without them. Different sizes.

[Marques Brownlee]

The body.

[Adam]

Yes, but have joy cons inside.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. No, but it does have. With a little tool. This is the only thing you need a tool for. This is like a mechanical keyboard switch tool is you can actually take out the switches for each button for each mouse. Gosh. And there are different types of.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dude, I'm so mad. I'm so mad at what I'll tell you.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There are different type of optical and mechanical switches that you can then put in there. Just like pop them in. But they all have.

[David Imel]

That's crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Can I ask something?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

What has been the general reception to this idea online?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm not that deep in the gaming mouse category anymore. I think they're. They're a pretty popular company. Some of a lot of the pros use them. I think still places like Razer kind of beats out a lot of big ones. Razer and Zowie.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I have beef with this.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. What's your beef?

[Marques Brownlee]

Back about 10, 12, 15 years ago, when I was growing up, I had this mouse called the Cyborg rat mouse. Yeah. From Mad Cats. And it was a fully modular, adjustable. I got made fun of for that relentlessly. It's the same thing. It's the same thing.

[David Imel]

Have you seen that thing?

[Marques Brownlee]

Look, I have big hands. I can't. I can't use a regular sized mouse. This mouse, I get to customize it to fit my hand. Oh. I get to move it.

[Adam]

I get to put Marques's past.

[Marques Brownlee]

I get to put weights in it or take the weights out of it. The same idea. I didn't even need special tools. It was all built in. And I had this customizable mouse that was perfect for me. And everyone hated it. And I got hate for it and then I retired it. And now this idea suddenly, oh, you can customize your mouse. Would you look at that? That's so nice. I want to customize my mouse. I'm like, well, you guys don't know about the Mad Cat's Rat.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The Mad Cat's Rat is the cyber truck of gaming. Looks like.

[Marques Brownlee]

See, I got it gets hate, but it's the OG for this.

[David Imel]

We have also normalized insane looking PC peripherals over the last 20 years. I think at that point in time, everything looked really, really basic. And then eventually it was called the

[Marques Brownlee]

Rat because it was better than a mouse. It was bigger.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I never made that connection. The problem, if you don't know what this the Cyborg Rat is, is imagine a mouse where like all the corners had like a dial that could move it like up and down or side to side and make it wider or longer or.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, wider. The change the angle.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This mouse looks like it weighs seven pounds.

[Marques Brownlee]

You could take all the weight out of it. It would be lighter than a normal mouse or put all the weights in it. It'll be smooth and heavy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I bet it still weighs more than this wireless one with 200 hours of battery life.

[Marques Brownlee]

But could you change the weight though?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't know. Everyone right now in the gaming sphere wants light. It's like 50, 50 to 80 grams is like.

[Marques Brownlee]

I will find, I will find out the weight for you of this mouse because I'm sure it's but lots of different.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Right now there's only black, white, red. But the sim 2 had like a million different colors. So two. Two things I think are cool about this. Like I said before, it's all about feel. It's kind of like truly wireless earbuds. Right. Like you might buy a pair that you think are great, but they don't fit in your ears. Great. So with this you get. When you buy it, it comes with all three different backs and the two different buttons. So you can kind of make it fit your hand better.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

And it has all the specs you would want. Then if you're also someone like me who switches a keyboard out all the time or a desk mat, there will be different colors to. So now your mouse can match the different colors of the desk that you're setting up on.

[David Imel]

What's the value in raising or lowering the optical sensor?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't know. My guess is like, like depending on how you lift off, maybe having it more forward facing and more. Or not forward facing, but more towards the front and more towards the back is better.

[David Imel]

My hot take is, if you need to adjust these things, you're just bad at video games.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Might not be wrong. A lot of pro players, though, will say a million different things of, like, oh, I'm trying claw grip out this time. And now I'm hitting everything better, which I think is kind of snake oil a little. Or like, the. The pros doing it. And you. You definitely don't need to. I was wondering why this wasn't clicking. It's because I don't think the. But, yeah, the switch is in it. But, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That was it. I don't want to sound like an ad too much, but I thought it was neat.

[Marques Brownlee]

You can still buy a cyborg rat.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Buy one. If you love it so much, buy it.

[David Imel]

I'm just saying, why don't you marry.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's an option. It's an option. My videos from January 31st.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Make a short on it. Make a short on it.

[Marques Brownlee]

2012.

[David Imel]

The short would pay for itself.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's 14 years old. Good times.

[David Imel]

Well, I think that's all we have for this week. We are recording a day early this week because of scheduling conflicts. And so if anything major happens tomorrow or Thursday. I'm sorry.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's also why I'm wearing green and no one else is. Because it's St. Patrick's Day.

[David Imel]

Is it? Actually, yes.

[Ellis Roven]

What the actual.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I brought green bagels in it.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm literally wearing green.

[Marques Brownlee]

Didn't realize it was St. Patrick's Day and wore green by accident.

[Ellis Roven]

50% of people in the room are wearing.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, I'm upset at these two.

[David Imel]

I mean, this is actually green gray.

[Adam]

David's laptop is green. Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But also, I said it, and everyone went, what it is.

[David Imel]

There's a lot of green in here.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Actually, I knew it was St. Patrick's

[Marques Brownlee]

I literally pulled out of my driveway, and I was like, ah, crap. I forgot to wear green. And I get here and everyone's wearing green, and. And then Andrew goes, oh, St. Patrick's Day. And they all go, what? That's today? Like, you're all wearing green by accident. That's insane, you guys. Anyway, I'm sorry.

[Adam]

Thank you for the green, leprechauns.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, I feel like wearing green and blue is directly contrasting. Or it's just like blue is the antithesis of green.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's the ocean.

[Ellis Roven]

I don't think that's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's the ocean. They're right next to each other in the rainbow.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Blue and green together is, like, one of the most Sought after colors ever. It's Seafoam.

[Ellis Roven]

Just ask Miles Davis.

[David Imel]

That's right. Kind of blue.

[Marques Brownlee]

Deep cut.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't get that.

[Ellis Roven]

No, it was even deeper than that. There's a song on that album called Blue and Green.

[David Imel]

Oh, on kind of blue.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm more of a green and blue guy.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, it has no color.

[Andrew Manganelli]

A trivia. Trivia is blue. Have you ever seen the lights behind you?

[Marques Brownlee]

They're kind of green. A little. If you look at them, little blue and green.

[David Imel]

Actually after dark.

[Adam]

What is blue?

[Ellis Roven]

Guys, I have refreshed the video.

[David Imel]

Okay, I need what is the title?

[Ellis Roven]

And we're doing Jeopardy.

[David Imel]

Rules.

[Ellis Roven]

So you have to write the full title of the video. Wow.

[David Imel]

Wait, what?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Hold on. Jeopardy. Rules would be. You have to write what is and then the full title.

[Ellis Roven]

No, you're right, you're right. We're doing Ellis. Ellis. We're doing jell. We're doing Ellis's. We're doing Gillespie. Rules. What is the title of the Tom Scott video? As of me refreshing it 35 seconds ago, price is Right Rules.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I went super specific. So if I'm off by like five over, I'm gonna be so mad.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I'm way out.

[David Imel]

I think it's a million over this. But I went under on purpose.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, who wants to go first? All of you flipped your board, said no. Okay, someone read first.

[Marques Brownlee]

Holy moly.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay, you go first. Marques.

[Marques Brownlee]

My title is this video has 12,020,202 views.

[Ellis Roven]

Excellent guess.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Mine is this video has 17,653,147 views.

[Ellis Roven]

Excellent guess.

[David Imel]

Mine is this video has 58 million views.

[Ellis Roven]

Objectively, a better guess than the other two. This video has 74,958,941.

[David Imel]

So much money.

[Marques Brownlee]

74 million.

[David Imel]

You rolling in it, my guy. I heard something like they. They fixed the bug that allows you to do this, but they just let him still have as they.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's awesome.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. As you do.

[Adam]

All right, after that, quick update on the score. Marquez was with 17. Andrew with 19. David. After that, correct answer with 22. 22 way in the.

[David Imel]

I'm also rolling in it. Tom, you and me, we had red shirts together. We had. We rolling it together.

[Adam]

Are you just Tom Scott?

[David Imel]

That's right.

[Ellis Roven]

David Amell.

[Marques Brownlee]

Have you seen them in the same room?

[David Imel]

We have been in the same room. We have many times.

[Ellis Roven]

But I will say, David Amell, worst takes on waveform. Best answer is a trivia.

[David Imel]

That's right.

[Adam]

If you don't get that Go back and listen to the south by episode. All right, next question.

[David Imel]

I only lost by 2.

[Adam]

Apple's high speed event announced such classics as Magsafe and Homepod Mini. What year was this event?

[Ellis Roven]

Did you guys see what got killed by Google this week?

[Adam]

Oh, no.

[David Imel]

Keep.

[Ellis Roven]

No.

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah. Google fi. I mean, Google Fiber.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Stop it.

[Adam]

They.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, they sold Google.

[David Imel]

They sold it to private equity.

[Ellis Roven]

To it. So it's not Google fiber anymore.

[David Imel]

It's going to be private equity fiber.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Why is Google selling to private equity?

[Ellis Roven]

No, no, they're just. They're selling off their fiber business.

[David Imel]

Yeah, because they were like, oh, why are we doing this?

[Adam]

Yeah, it's going to be.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, you wrote your stuff already.

[Adam]

3 cities that have it in 10 blocks radius. All right, flip them and read. What do we got?

[David Imel]

I think it's probably.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait.

[Adam]

Marquez is erasing his previous answer.

[David Imel]

Oh, which one is it going to be?

[Adam]

What is it?

[David Imel]

It could be various.

[Adam]

He's leaving.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's why you made that, right?

[Adam]

It looks like his answer is 2030.

[Marques Brownlee]

2020. 20.

[Adam]

2020.

[David Imel]

Marquez and I both did 2020.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was. Well, all right.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I did 2020.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was.

[Adam]

David and Marquez. Get the point.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was the coolest points anyone's ever gotten on waveform.

[Ellis Roven]

That was kind of. Kind of a bar. That was pretty sick.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Thank counts the same.

[Marques Brownlee]

Only video viewers will understand what just happened.

[David Imel]

He erased his numbers until it said 2020.

[Marques Brownlee]

But you have to be there.

[David Imel]

It's for the full effect.

[Ellis Roven]

It was like in Harry Potter when the letters rearranged and it's like, I am Tom Riddle.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like those people who paint something really complicated and you're like, what is this? And then they turn it upside down and it's this amazing portrait. It was almost that cool, I promise. Anyway, thanks for watching. Welcome back to regularly scheduled programming. It's still tart, by the way. There's still a whole nother week of tarch. You could call it match mech if you want, but it's. It's mostly targe. So we'll see you in the comments section for. For all the fun stories that we missed on Wednesday.

[David Imel]

It'll still be next week too.

[Ellis Roven]

Dude, tape rolls gonna be so crazy.

[David Imel]

Tech roll.

[Ellis Roven]

Tech roll.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can't. I don't know if I can do another market.

[Andrew Manganelli]

We can, dude.

[David Imel]

In Tech Roll, it'll be better weather. Get it Integral. Integral.

[Marques Brownlee]

It'll be nice.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Please end this.

[Marques Brownlee]

We should end this. See you guys next week.

[Adam]

Peace.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Waveform is produced by. Well, you read it out now.

[Adam]

Waveform is produced by. Well, you read it out now. Waveform is produced by.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Abrek Adam Alina Ellis Roven Vox Media Podcast Network Vain Sill. Bingo.

[Adam]

Oh, I didn't know David was jacked.

[Ellis Roven]

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