Fitbit Air and Ferrari's Luce Fiasco

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: Fitbit Air and Ferrari's Luce Fiasco

Date: May 29, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Adam Molina

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Waveform crew tackles two of tech’s hottest headlines: the launch of Fitbit Air—a screenless fitness tracker poised to upend the Whoop—and the internet-melting debut of Ferrari’s first electric crossover, the Luce, designed by Jony Ive’s LoveFrom team. The hosts deliver hands-on impressions, lively debates, and signature banter, diving deep on design, user experience, and whether these products live up to the hype (or the price). Plus: Motorola’s Amazon affiliate link hijinks, Spotify’s “discomorphism” icon drama, and a peek into the wild, buggy world of digital fitness coaching.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Did Google Even Test This? (Google Maps Oddity)

[02:23–05:04]

• Andrew brings up a pet peeve: Google Maps in Android Auto only displays speed limits when you have active navigation, not when just driving.
• Marques speculates this could be about UI cleanliness or GPS road certainty.
• David thinks it’s about driving-time estimation algorithms.
• Consensus: There’s no clear reason—maybe it’s “just Google.”
  Memorable Quote:
  David [04:54]: “It’s Google. That’s the reason.”

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2. Fitbit Air Review—The Screenless Whoop Killer?

[05:53–39:32]

Launch and Hardware Impressions

• Hosts reveal they’ve all tested the new Fitbit Air, especially the Steph Curry “special edition.”
• Special edition: higher-quality band materials, water resistance.
• Ongoing confusion about which bands are water-resistant.

Software & Experience—Bugs and Frustrations

• Multiple bugs: UI alignment, dark mode rendering, missing data.
• David: App in dark mode is “super messed up,” units missing, buttons overlapping.
• “Gemini” AI integration (rebranded Google’s digital coach) is intrusive and sometimes inaccurate/hallucinatory ("AI fixation," e.g. commenting repeatedly on a logged burrito meal).
  David [14:59]: “The Gemini coach doesn’t … always look at it [your data] … sometimes it just hallucinates information.”

Premium vs. Free: Does Paying Make It Worse?

• Premium ($100/yr) adds AI coaching everywhere—too noisy and not "glanceable."
• David [08:30]: "The premium features that you get with Google Health Premium actually make this product worse."
• Ideal for: Beginners, ex-Whoop users tired of high fees, those wanting simple fitness tracking.
• Feed can be customized, but “AI summaries” dominate the dashboard unless managed.

Market Impact & Value Proposition

• Great hardware, fantastic battery (7+ days), thin and light—half the thickness of Whoop.
• Subscription isn’t needed for 99% of users; most features included free.
• On launch, Fitbit’s roadmap was full of bug fixes—“should have been fixed before launch.”
• Wildcards: Vibrating alarm (a crowd-pleaser among non-techies), food/workout photo-logging.
• Expect “third-party ecosystem” for alternative bands and mounting options to bloom.

Memorable Quotes:

• Marques [29:26]: "If you want a screenless wearable, this is it for 99% of people, and the 1% of people who want a Whoop—99% of that 1%—you don't need the Whoop."
• Andrew [32:06]: “All you guys need to just let me say this. Sometimes I just want to know if I have a phone call without it buzzing in my pocket. So it should just … buzz on my wrist.”

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3. Ferrari Luce—A $600K Electric Crossover Designed by Jony Ive

[44:27–73:50]

Secrecy and Reveal Experience

• Marques attended the top-secret Ferrari Luce unveiling in Italy—phones sealed, only Ferrari-provided footage allowed.
• LoveFrom (Jony Ive, Mark Newson) led design; no traditional car designers.

First Impressions—Design Controversy

• Five-seat, mid-size electric crossover with “blob-like” EV styling.
• Internet hates the look: “swallowed” lights, glass canopy, huge price.
• David [50:25]: “This is what happens when you have a phone design that ... is beautiful, ... and you put an otterbox case on it. That’s what it looks like. Someone put an otterbox case on a Ferrari.”
• Big price jump: $640k+; hosts agree expectation is too high, design doesn’t “feel” Ferrari.

Is It Ugly on Purpose? Who Is It For?

• Did Ferrari reject sports-car cues to target a “new kind of buyer” (tech-focused, international, maybe ex-Apple loyalists)?
• Marques [53:08]: “…do we just do something totally different so that [the] electric stuff is grouped in with this new design ... so different, it doesn’t even resemble a Ferrari?”
• If the same car had a Lucid/BYD badge and $150k price, it’d probably be accepted as another EV crossover.
• Hosts note: performance is real—track capabilities, complex engineering, insane drive systems.
• Interior is universally praised: “the best interior of any electric car I’ve ever driven.” – Marques

Will It Age Well?

• Adam [74:40]: “I think in 20 years, it’ll be nice… Right now it looks like a whale.”
• General consensus: expectations from Ferrari lore doom the design in 2026, and it may come to be appreciated (or not) decades on.
• Fun subtopics: “What if Apple made a car?” analogy, and the enduring theme that “remaking old classics” (small, boxy EVs) is more wistful than realistic.

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4. Miscellaneous News & Features

Motorola’s Amazon Affiliate Link Hijack

[89:05–94:39]

• Motorola caught pre-loading Amazon app on phones, injecting affiliate links—potentially skimming revenue from every purchase.
• Seen even on $1900 Razr Fold; traced to recent app updates.
• Raises discussion about shady revenue tactics on budget (and premium) phones.
• David [92:19]: "Of course these companies are going to be like, wait, we could just make an entire company's worth of revenue if we just do this [affiliate links]."

Spotify "Discomorphism" & Android Icon Packs

[94:53–99:43]

• Spotify’s disco ball app icon stirs debate—some love it, others find it ugly or dislike icons changing without consent.
• Android’s Samir Samat (Google VP) launches a disco-themed icon pack in response to a viral tweet. The pack looks “AI-generated,” but it’s fun.
• Marques [97:57]: “That's the beauty of Android: you're allowed to ruin your phone.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• David [14:59] (on Gemini AI): “Sometimes it just hallucinates information.”
• Marques [29:26] (on Fitbit Air): “If you want a screenless wearable, this is it for 99% of the people…”
• David [50:25] (on Ferrari Luce): “It’s like putting an otterbox case on a Ferrari.”
• Andrew [77:42] (on Ferrari’s design inversion): “It was cool when the Prius looked like a Lamborghini. It’s not cool when the Ferrari looks like a Prius.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:23] Google Maps “Did You Even Test This?” segment
• [05:53] Fitbit Air: full hands-on review, bugs, band differences
• [15:15] Gemini AI: intrusive summaries & “AI fixation” bugs
• [28:49] Fitbit Air: Value vs. Whoop, who it’s for, and bug bingo
• [44:27] Ferrari Luce: behind-the-scenes at launch, design analysis
• [53:08] Who is the Luce really for? Why so different?
• [61:09] Luce as “practical Ferrari”—the Porsche/Lambo analogy
• [72:25] Ferrari Luce: Key fob and interior design praised
• [89:05] Motorola/Amazon Affiliate controversy
• [94:53] Spotify disco icon & Android “discomorphism”

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Summary Table: Hosts’ Stances

| Topic | Marques | Andrew | David | Adam | |------------|-------------------------|---------------------------|--------------------------|-------------------| | Fitbit Air | Really good; bugs abound; AI not for power users, but hardware/value are great.| Wants more glanceability; likes no-sub model; prefers minimal, actionable coaching | Thinks Premium makes it “worse”; bugs are fixable; AI coach is intrusive and not always accurate | Loves the vibrate alarm and band comfort | | Ferrari Luce | Bold, but design is too “new” for Ferrari; would be fine with another brand & price | Criticizes lack of Ferrari DNA, unrealistic expectations; gives some credit for trying | Hates the look, compares it to the Mach-E “Mustang” controversy | Predicts design may age well, but not in the current context | | Motorola | Shady, but not surprised | Shocked this happens on expensive models | Sees the logic but questions scale | Wonders if it’s just internal tracking | | Spotify icon | Tired of “fun” icon; wants user choice | Hates surprise app icon changes | Pro-disco, pro-fun: “Do you guys hate fun?” | Hunts for how to enable it |

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Useful For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In:

• Get the lowdown on Fitbit Air: Is GeminAI (Google’s AI coach) helpful or just clutter? Why the Steph Curry band is oddly better. Should you skip the premium sub?
• Hear why Ferrari’s first electric crossover has car Twitter (and real Ferrari fans) flipping out. Learn why its design is both a wild risk and a calculated product decision—and why an Apple badge might change everything.
• Plug into current controversies and fun oddities: Motorola’s hidden revenue trick, Spotify’s disco fever, and Android’s latest odd icon trend.
• As always, enjoy the genuine Waveform banter, live bug discoveries, and memorable side-quests in tech culture.

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Closing Thought

This episode showcases Waveform at its finest: incisive reviews, industry insight, and plenty of “did anyone test this?” moments. Whether you want to know if Fitbit Air is the right wearable for you, or if Ferrari’s $600k electric is a future classic or a catastrophe, this episode delivers the context—and the laughs.

Transcript

[Adam]

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[Marques]

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[Marques]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[David]

Adam, what was the results of last week's poll?

[Andrew]

You don't want to know.

[Adam]

I don't know how to quantify all of this.

[Marques]

I have an idea. Ask Gemini based on the comments what it thinks we should do.

[David]

The audience.

[Guest]

Sorry, Google. Gemini was like, you need to fix the chapters.

[Andrew]

Don't worry. No, guys, we do this every week.

[David]

We fix. We add chapters every week.

[Marques]

Dude, I have told N2 to fix the chapters. Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[Andrew]

I'm Andrew.

[David]

I'm David.

[Marques]

And this episode, we've got two of the biggest stories, probably at least on your feed, but maybe of the past couple months, which are the Fitbit Air and the Ferrari Luce, both very much waveform topics. Plus we got a bunch of other stuff. Motorola hijacking, affiliate links, a professional soccer match shot on iPhone for audio listeners. I did air quotes, heavy quotes, and discomorphism is alive. You Spotify listeners already know what we're talking about there. But first, if you didn't already see our bonus episode on Tuesday this week we had a fun conversation with Joanna Stern. Just, you know, two New Jersey tech reporters chopping it up. That's what I like to see. So if you haven't already seen that, definitely go check it out. If you have and you're not subscribed, what are you doing? Get subscribed. Make sure you're on board.

[Andrew]

Wouldn't have missed it if you were.

[Marques]

Exactly. Uh, but first, did they even test this?

[Andrew]

I have a quick one.

[Marques]

That's what I like to hear.

[Andrew]

Okay, maybe this is only on Android auto, Google Maps. But how come on Google Maps in your car. When you're. When you have a route set, it shows the speed limit. And when you don't have a route set, it doesn't show the speed limit.

[Marques]

You have a route.

[Andrew]

Like when you're just driving and don't have a des. Final. A destination.

[Marques]

Right.

[Andrew]

It does not show the speed limit of the road you're on. But if you do have a destination, it shows the speed limit on the ui.

[Marques]

I don't know why I feel like

[Andrew]

I should always want to know what the speed limit is.

[Marques]

Well, there's interestingly in Google Maps. Well, I guess first of all, it's more sure about knowing exactly which road you're on when you're navigating. Sometimes there are roads like overpasses and tunnels and stuff where it doesn't actually know which road you're on. But if you're navigating, it's pretty sure which road you're on. I don't know if that's true.

[Andrew]

That feels like such a quick overlap that, like, it shouldn't make that much of a difference as long as I'm moving. If I'm like stopping, stopped, under and over.

[David]

Here's why it is. It is estimating how long it's going to take to get there based on the speed limit. Right. So if you don't know where you're going, it has no idea how long it's going to take to get there. So it's like go as fast as you want.

[Andrew]

But I have to assume logically, Officer, I didn't have a destination plugged into my Google Maps. Therefore Autobahn.

[David]

Yeah, Autobot.

[Andrew]

But yeah, there's so many just like back roads where a speed limit sign doesn't show up forever.

[David]

On back roads, it doesn't matter.

[Marques]

It's true.

[David]

On the back road, you're flying off rocks.

[Andrew]

Not legal advice.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I just think that feels like such an.

[Marques]

I feel like it's a setting. It's in the settings, isn't it? When it shows the speed limit. I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe that's a ways thing.

[Adam]

There has to be a reason for like how it knows where you are has something to do with you being in movement.

[Andrew]

Maybe it's following, showing me live updates on the road that I'm on. Like it's moving with me.

[David]

It's.

[Andrew]

It knows the road I'm on. It's gonna use the same information.

[Marques]

I feel like there has to be a reason for this. Maybe it's just trendy. Ooh maybe.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's Google and they forgot.

[Marques]

No, I know, I know, I know. I have a good reason. Maybe it's because when you're not navigating anywhere, they want to keep as little stuff on the screen as possible so they keep it clean.

[Andrew]

There's more space on the screen when it's not navigating because it doesn't have

[David]

to show me directions.

[Marques]

When it doesn't have to show you directions. It wants it to be cleaner so you can, like, look around and see the roads and like, maybe you want to navigate somewhere later. But if you're navigating somewhere, all you need to know is your navigation range. Yeah.

[David]

If it's cleaner, they have more room for the giant volume dial to be

[Andrew]

to take up the speed limit that

[Marques]

I get depending on the car.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's like 3% of the bottom right hand corner of the screen. I think it could show me it's got plenty of space for it.

[Marques]

We're thinking there's zero reason.

[David]

It's Google.

[Andrew]

It's Google.

[David]

That's the reason.

[Marques]

All right.

[Andrew]

It has zero reason.

[David]

Speaking of which, and we'll get to this later. I didn't want to make this the. Did you even test this? Because it's going to be such a big part of the podcast.

[Adam]

I wanted to make it. Did you even test this?

[David]

We'll talk about the Fitbit Air. We'll talk about the Fitbit Air, which I like very much. To be clear, however, there are many bugs and when I talked to Google, I got on a phone call with them and they said, we just really don't want to make the. Did you even test this?

[Marques]

That's hilarious.

[Adam]

The segment has made it out, so

[David]

points to you guys for actually watching the show, but unfortunately these bugs have not been fixed by.

[Marques]

You still have to test it and

[David]

it is in the wild and people can buy it and therefore I am going to have to talk about the bugs.

[Andrew]

Send this to the Maps team also.

[David]

Yeah, true. Maybe they can fix it.

[Andrew]

I just found a Reddit thread from two years ago asking the same question. Oh, nice. Does anyone have to forget they're just empty? This is why I use Waze.

[David]

Beautiful.

[Marques]

Nice.

[Guest]

Okay, I actually found a Reddit thread from three years ago.

[David]

Okay, so, dude, I tweeted that six years ago. I guess we're starting with Fitbit Air. In that case, you guys already know we put the review out of the Fitbit Air. Marques has got his orange one. That's the Steph Curry special edition.

[Marques]

Sure do.

[David]

So Does Adam. His came in yesterday, his retail unit. It is much nicer than the other options that you can buy. For some reason the material is nicer. It. It is water resistant. Whereas the other ones are not water resistant.

[Marques]

Wait, you're saying the Steph Curry one is water resistant? Correct. And the others are not.

[David]

Correct.

[Marques]

I think you found they get like

[David]

it has a water resistant coating on it. Whereas the other ones, even the ribbed ones. The ribbed ones are water resistant. But the. What do they call this? The performance one. Performance band. Yeah. They're not water resistant. They can get we. And they can soak.

[Andrew]

I thought it was just a clear way. You said that yours felt like wet after working out.

[Marques]

Yeah, it still definitely gets damp and holds moisture after a workout. So I'm kind of. I'd be surprised to see if that would even.

[David]

I mean, look at this. This yours has a bunch of rubber on the inside. Yeah.

[Marques]

That one doesn't have any.

[David]

It's literally just the fabric.

[Marques]

So that's going to be worse.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

It's not necessarily water resistant. Probably just feels less wet.

[David]

Well, on the website it says that one's water resistant and this one isn't. It said it has a water resistant

[Marques]

coating on the staff on the threads.

[Andrew]

Someone should test that.

[David]

That's what it says. Well, okay, so we have a lot of thoughts because last week we had not yet passed the actual review embargo. We had only passed the unboxing embargo, which was very vague. To be clear. This has been a problem for many years where companies will have multiple embargoes and people just sort of push the line of what it means for something to be a review. Yep. Famously like Tom's Guide and Gadget and whatever would call things hands on review when it was a hands on video to sort of get around the no reviews yet thing.

[Marques]

Yeah, I could do an hour and a half on this. Yeah, Yeah, I. I won't to spare

[Andrew]

you, but tldr it dumb.

[Marques]

We can. Yeah, you can check the feeds and you can see lots of not quite a review, but almost kind of a review. Yeah. Videos out there. Yeah, but the reviews are out now.

[David]

Yeah. The actual review embargo was Tuesday at 9am Eastern time. So now we can actually talk about our full thoughts about the Fitbit Air.

[Marques]

We can evaluate it.

[David]

We can evaluate it. Of which I have many, many, many thoughts. The first being like it is incredibly ironic to me that this is both a really, really good device and a really, really buggy device. And my overall take on this, which we'll sort of, we'll dive into, is that the premium features that you get with Google Health Premium actually make this product worse.

[Marques]

Worse is an interesting take.

[David]

That's my take.

[Marques]

Definitely an argument to be made that it is not necessarily for most, not necessary for most people, but make it worse is a. I want to hear your take on it.

[David]

I think it's worse.

[Andrew]

Okay. I saw other reviewers maybe not say exactly like that, but basically hint at like DC Rainmaker used his info and his wife, and his wife used the free, he used the premium and he kept pulling them up next to each other and basically kept saying like he likes the feed of his wife's better because it doesn't have so much talky. Talky.

[Marques]

Yeah. I think a big part of this, and this is what I talked about in my review is the target demographic. What it comes down to is who this is for. And I think this specific Fitbit, the Fitbit Air is targeted at whoop users or a lot of people who use other screenless fitness trackers. Right. And it's supposed to be the one that's cheaper and it's the one that's from Google and it's Fitbit. So you know, you can, you know, you know what you get from Google, but it's specifically the cheaper version of what's already out there with the screenless fitness trackers. And I think a lot of those are probably overkill for most people as far as all the data and all the tracking and the extremely expensive subscription. So this being cheaper and offering like 90% of that is slightly, slightly less advanced, but for almost the same person. Right. You're wearing an Apple watch right now. So am I. Yeah. This I would argue is even more beginner focused. Like you just kind of count steps, calories and fill your rings and that's it. It's not personalized. Your heart rate zones are the same for everyone no matter your like there's not a lot of calibration to who you are as an athlete. It's just kind of like, yeah, get up every hour, like stand up, get some exercise minutes in. So there's a spectrum of who these products are for.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

And this kind of, I think it fits in somewhere in the middle.

[David]

Well, there's a strange reason for that because I feel like the Apple watch, especially the Ultra, pulls more information than like the Fitbit Air polls, but the actual information that it shows you on a day to day basis and tries to get you to interact with is much less because Apple Has Apple started with the Apple Watch being a gadget and it slowly became a fitness device.

[Andrew]

Exactly.

[David]

They didn't, like, anticipate that to happen, but over time they were like, oh, the Apple Watch is actually just like a fitness tracker, but it is also a watch. So the thing about the Fitbit Air that's interesting is, like you said, it's people who aspire to be whoop people, because whoop people sort of indicates that you are like a hardcore fitness person. But those people, it might be inaccessible for those people because the minimum subscription of a whoop is $200 a year. And then it becomes a brick if you don't pay for it, which is actually insane.

[Marques]

It's the worst part.

[David]

So think about the Fitbit Air. If you use the base Google Health app, which is what they call it now, they transitioned Fitbit to Google Health. A lot of people are very angry about that because it was a buggy transition for a lot of people. I saw all these tweets this morning of people who lost all of their data, all of their Fitbit data. Like, didn't make the transition or like

[Adam]

runs just showing up as workouts and not runs. Yeah, there's a bunch of random bugs.

[David]

The data just got really messed up. So in the base Google Health app, it just shows you all of your metrics, right? It collects things like your steps, your cardio load, your sleep, like, all of that information. And then the base Google Health app, it just shows all that data front and center. If you have the premium version of the app, what the premium version does is, honestly, I feel like Google should pay you to use the premium version because they just stick Gemini in as many places as possible. And not only do they stick it there as an option to use, they just generate summaries of every single thing that you do. So on the front page, like the main tab, there's always a giant block of text.

[Andrew]

Yeah, this reminds me of the new Nest AI update, where I wanted the AI update because it would, in individual events, make it easier to search for things. But every time I go to my cameras, there's like four paragraphs that I have to scroll past. Like, I don't want that. I don't need to read about this every time. Maybe let me pick to read it. But this looks terrible with, like, nice, clean UI on top with a couple buttons and then just text.

[Adam]

That was going to be my take too, is that I don't not like the AI coach. Like, it's cool, it's fun to play with it's like relatively useful. Maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but like, just for me messing around.

[Andrew]

Whatever.

[Adam]

I'm sure I wish it was a separate tab. Like, why is it front and center?

[David]

Or if it was truncated. Yeah, you could expand it.

[Adam]

If I open up my app, I just want to see all of my, like, data.

[Marques]

If you pay the hundred bucks though, you want to see what you paid 100 bucks for front, like front, center, right?

[Adam]

No, I want to know it's there. I don't want to necessarily see it all the time.

[Marques]

If it's the free version and you don't have it, sure you're not going to notice that you don't have it, but if you pay the hundred bucks a year, I want to see that like pretty early.

[Andrew]

I think it's safe to say that you though could be someone who wants to ask the AI coach questions and then help that in some senses, like create a workout, blah, blah, blah, but don't always want it. And you're like, quick. Like, this feels like it should be a. The homepage should be like a quick glance at things. So like under this is workouts, right?

[Adam]

You're stealing the words right outta my mouth.

[Andrew]

Goodness.

[Adam]

Glanceable.

[Andrew]

It should be glanceable. This is not a glanceable text.

[Marques]

So I feel like you can customize this. By the way, you can make this

[Andrew]

six things, this, this, this, but like underneath it usually then tracks shows your individual workouts that you can click into.

[David]

The top 40% is glanceable. The bottom 40% is like all the coach information that it like could be a.

[Andrew]

Or at least an option to be a separate tab. Like, I would probably just want to see my workouts and quickly go into them. But I could see some benefit of still contacting the coach and asking questions and having a chat log.

[Adam]

I use it all the time based

[Andrew]

on I like it.

[Adam]

Right in the main page.

[Andrew]

Yeah, the main page feed of it. Yapping all the time feels insane.

[David]

One of the biggest problems I have with the Gemini integration as the coach though is that it feels like the coach, like the Gemini coach doesn't. It has access to the data that it collects, but it doesn't always look at it. So for example, at like 5pm it was like, are you still going to hit your 10am workout? Of which I had already done, you know, didn't have that information. It asked me if I was going to go on a long walk when I'd already gone on a long walk. It like randomly set a random number of calories that I had eaten. That was not the amount of calories that I eaten ingested into the app. And there are all these metrics that you can look at in the app and you can see the data is right there. But Gemini doesn't seem to pull that data all the time. It does it like randomly and sometimes, but it doesn't do it like correctly every time. And then sometimes it just hallucinates Information does fit.

[Andrew]

Had an instance where it has the information on what his bedtime was and then 20 minutes after his bedtime was sending him tips on how to get better sleep that night for a better recovery. It's like, I'm asleep already. This is past the bedtime that's listed inside of the app that you're pulling from.

[David]

Yeah. And then I don't know it just so multiple times throughout the day, the Gemini coach will give you little summaries of things that you've done.

[Marques]

Notify, notifies you.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is so. It happens so much. Like I went on a 19 minute walk to the coffee shop and it was like that 19 minute walk was so great, Dave. I didn't set a walk or anything. It just automatically created a summary and it was like you slowed down around minute 10. Did you hit a red light? And I'm like, I went. I walked to the cafe. I do not see why I need a summary of this or why you need me to explain myself. It's very strange.

[Marques]

I think there's a middle ground. All these features with the coach are very beginner focused, I think, where a lot of people see all this data but they don't know how to interpret it. A lot of people look at the Apple Health app, which is full of data, tons and tons of information that's being gathered by your Apple watch and then don't really know what to do with that information or how to contextualize it or even know if that number is high or low or if it's trending up or down. And what should I do with this? So the idea of the coach or the AI coach or the summaries and all this stuff is to give you some actionable something based on the information that it's collecting. It's not very good yet. AI still hallucinates. We still want it to be way better, but that's the idea behind it. And I think for us, it's probably not targeted towards us. If we've used Garmins, we've used Apple watches, we know what we're doing with a lot of this. Stuff but for the very beginner who's just like, I don't know, I've been closing my rings for a while, but should I be doing more steps per day? Should I be drinking more water? That is ideally what this is for.

[Andrew]

I think a good middle ground to that though that would help. My just glanceable aspect of this is, you know, if that front page shows the metrics up top, then has the bottom part that would show workouts if then it just had a button that's just like, that would trigger what you want from the coach. So like maybe at the top it says like, how's my day going so far? Or like, what should I prioritize tonight? How was my last workout?

[David]

That would.

[Andrew]

Because it's just taking up so much room to assume that every time you look at it or three or four times a day, it's going to give you another wall of text. Yeah, that's. I think my issue is like, I just don't need to see that text all the time. Give me a little button to press and like that's what pop up, AI coach.

[David]

To Google's credit, when I was talking to them on the phone, they were, I told them like, why do I need, you know, a summary when I went on a 19 minute walk? And they said they don't want to tell people what exercise is, you know, because to some people personalized, to some people a two hour walk is nothing. To some people a 20 minute walk is something. So they don't want to necessarily be like, you didn't do exercise versus you did do exercise. And that's fair. And honestly, I think that Fitbits traditionally have sort of been geared towards like beginners who like want to get into fitness. But it's funny because like, I feel like this is targeted towards the woop, the people who want whoops but don't want to pay the money for a whoop. So I feel like it should be more, a little more geared.

[Marques]

When I was first writing my review I was like, this is like for people who are thinking about getting a whoop or who do have a whoop, but they really don't need one.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

And this is, this is way better for them and way less expensive for all the 75% of the things that they were using the whoop for now they're using 100% of the Fitbit and it's still fine.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I agree. I think there are a lot of whoop users who are tired of paying all the time and kind of know what all you're going to get the same stats pretty much. But now you can pay once and do it. The whoop subreddit is a lot of people looking at the Fitbit.

[David]

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Some other crazy bugs that I had when this is still occurring on my app. So waiting to be fixed. By the way, Google put out a roadmap of bug fixes yesterday on the day of launch.

[Marques]

That's a lot of bugs.

[David]

They probably should have fixed them before the launch or like, you know, made the app work before they announced the launch date.

[Marques]

Probably.

[David]

But there's a lot of bugs. There's a lot of bugs on there. Anyway, this is what my workout.

[Marques]

That's still insane.

[David]

They still look like this. For audio listeners, it's like, what workout is that? Literally just starting a strength workout.

[Marques]

Strength workout.

[David]

Any sort of workout that I do.

[Andrew]

It gets worse as I look at it. And there's only four elements.

[David]

Yeah. So there's a gray rectangle in the center that only has three data points. One is cardioload and it's giant. The other one is heart rate and energy burned and they are not aligned at all. And then there's giant black boxes around it. And then the pause button is also sort of just randomly offsets. To me, this is a.

[Marques]

Did you even test this? Mine looks fine when I start a strength workout, but for some reason, heart rate does not have a unit and energy burned does have a unit.

[Andrew]

Well, because you don't have the.

[Marques]

No, it never does have a unit when I.

[David]

Even when I. Oh, really?

[Marques]

It never shows bpm.

[David]

Mine does sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't show any of this information until I finish the workout and then it gives me all the information, but it continuously has this problem, which is pretty insane.

[Marques]

Yours says energy burned and the unit is, like, cut off by the UI of the pause button, which should be at the bottom.

[Andrew]

Wait, you don't have a timer on that at all? Marquez has had.

[Marques]

Your timer is being covered up for some reason. The bottom of your app is just totally messed up. I don't know why.

[David]

When I. Well, when I talked to them, they said they hadn't really tested it in dark mode.

[Marques]

Well, there is the. Did you even test?

[David]

Which is the. Really? When they told me that, I was like, wow, okay. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Andrew]

That screen needs a heart rate zone.

[Adam]

I'm confused about why there's so many bugs for things like that, because this has basically been out since like, what, October or November in the beta. Public beta. Like, I've had this UI for months. So how does it still not.

[David]

I do not know.

[Adam]

I don't know.

[Marques]

It is strange.

[David]

It is strange.

[Marques]

See this, this is my. I'll take a screenshot for the pod listeners. The. The calories burned.

[David]

Says calories.

[Marques]

And it's slightly higher than the heart rate, which should say.

[David]

Yours is offset too.

[Marques]

So it's just a little bit offset. But I do have the time down there because the pause button is supposed to be at the bottom. Yours is like moved up over the clock, which is weird.

[David]

Yeah, well.

[Andrew]

And it's two different like dark mode backgrounds on David. It's like a gray and a black. Black, which is super messed up. This. I don't mind this screen in general. If dark mode work that obviously needs to be aligned properly. I would love the option to put a heart rate zone graph. Yes. I feel like so many people appreciate that in terms of live certain types

[Marques]

of workouts, there's not as much customization. Like I think a lot of these should have more customized layouts for while you're working.

[Andrew]

This feels like a layout that is meant for customization. Like this is just giving you so many options because of how blank and simple it is.

[David]

Other ways where Gemini just doesn't seem to be connected to your actual data that you're collecting. On the first day that I use this, I woke up and it sort of prompts you when you wake up. It tells you how you slept and then it says, are you planning anything for today? And I said, I'm going to go on a pretty long walk this morning. It said, that's cool. Let me know how long the walk is when you get back. Which first of all, shouldn't it just be tracking that kind of strange? So I was like, okay, I will. And I got back from my walk and I said that was 127 minutes. And it immediately is like, hmm, interesting. I see a 127 minute walk that I've already logged. Do you want me to delete it?

[Adam]

I was like, but it did that for me too.

[David]

So it feels like Gemini. The LLM is like not really talking correctly to the data sets.

[Marques]

That is interesting. Yeah. A lot of my Gemini stuff is telling me it's based on the conversations that I've had with it.

[David]

So I'd set up.

[Marques]

I was like, here's my seven day week schedule. I have like games on weekends, practice on Wednesdays. And it looks at the weather. It's like, hey, it's gonna be hot today. You have practice later. Hydrate like that stuff makes sense, but it's not. You're right. Like, a lot of that's not coming from the workouts that I've already done.

[David]

The actual data that it collects on you.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I feel like another example of it focusing way more on the AI part and not on the data set. If you watch DC Rainmaker's review, at one point he, like, does a workout and jokingly sends a picture of, like, chips and queso and a glass of wine and says, like, is this a good recovery? Like, testing? He's like, is this a good recovery meal? And it was like, no. And then like, after every single workout, it's like, oh, you'll do a great job getting those calories back with the queso. And I and just keeps mentioning it over and over. It, like, never forgets the things.

[David]

I want to coin this, like, AI fixation or something, because Gemini does this for me all the time anyway. And yesterday I ate a. I ate a chicken burrito for lunch and I wanted to test the, like, food logging feature that it has, because another one of the features with the premium subscription that you can log food by taking pictures of it. It knows what it is.

[Marques]

Famously. Never has worked either with any product.

[David]

It works okay with macro factor, which is what I use for calorie tracking.

[Marques]

I'm impressed because I've never gotten it to work.

[Andrew]

I'll never believe that any of those work on any.

[Marques]

It just doesn't have enough.

[David]

I mean, it's never a burrito.

[Andrew]

It's closed.

[David]

You can't see what's inside. I cut it open.

[Marques]

I cut it open.

[Andrew]

There's no shit.

[Marques]

And it can tell the size of the burrito and how much chicken.

[David]

It's probably not accurate.

[Andrew]

It's not.

[David]

It is not accurate.

[Andrew]

And that's all a calorie tracks are, is supposed to be as accurate.

[Adam]

One thing, though, that I think it would work with, and I want to test it out because I haven't seen it yet. I saw that people have been able to, like, write down, like, their exercises, their weights, their reps in, like, on a piece of paper.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And take a picture of that and it can translate.

[David]

That does work.

[Adam]

That makes sense.

[David]

I don't know how you would do that when there's like, a thousand apps that do it, but.

[Adam]

Yeah, but I was.

[David]

I guess some people do.

[Adam]

Some people do, like, I just never do it.

[Marques]

That's fair.

[Andrew]

There are a lot of people who yet have, like, workout notebooks and then just being able to log it with a picture actually Sounds like, to the

[David]

point about my chicken burrito. Like, I logged the chicken burrito with like the. The logging thing. And then for the next like two days, it was just like, that chicken burrito is really fueling your recovery. It was like two days later, I

[Marques]

was like, it really locks in. It's like it's trying to impress you with it remembering.

[Andrew]

I think that's what it is.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah. And then yesterday it ran. At the end of the day, it was like, you did a great job. You had 117 grams of protein and I had 157 logged. So I don't know, it is just like there's random information that you like,

[Andrew]

in the app said 157, but in the Gemini thing said 117.

[David]

No, in the app it said 157. And then the Gemini prompt. Yeah. Told me 117. I will give it to Fitbit. They do a really good job of ingesting information from other apps. So Apple Health on the iPhone. If you use the iPhone, Apple Health ingests information from Macro Factor, which is my calorie tracking app from fitbod, which is my workout Apple. And then Google Apple Health feeds into Google Health. So it actually has all of my calorie stuff. It has all that stuff. And that's really nice because everything is just built in there. But then it will just randomly hallucinate information too. So. Yeah, I don't know. I think the main problem I see with this is that it just feels like Gemini and the data set are not a cohesive, integrated thing. They seem like they're separate things and it messes up a lot.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

All of that being said, I still really like this product. Yeah, it has really amazing battery life. Like I. They say it's seven days and I started using this eight days ago and it's still alive at 19%. Yeah.

[Marques]

I feel like I got the worst battery life of everybody. I watched the reviews of what was your. It was supposed to be seven days and I think I got to the end of day six and it was dead.

[Andrew]

Six hour workouts a day probably.

[David]

Well, I do.

[Marques]

Like, maybe.

[David]

I've been doing a lot of workouts too.

[Adam]

I got mine at roughly 5:00pm Five. Yeah, like 5:00pm yesterday. And it is now at 70%.

[Marques]

Whoa.

[David]

Did you charge it to full?

[Adam]

No, I unboxed it. It was at like 75%.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's important,

[David]

right?

[Andrew]

Gemini over.

[David]

Also, when you start a workout, there's just like a list and it's just kind of. It's not that.

[Marques]

Are there no favorites they should learn from? Whoop. Here you should be, as soon as you start doing workouts, that you put those favorites at the top.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Marques]

You start a workout and you're like, which type of workout is it? Well, it should have a small list of the most recent or most common workout workouts. The Apple Watch does that too. As soon as I go to make a workout, it's like, oh, here's the most recent ones you've done. Yeah, that's like an easy.

[Andrew]

Or like just being able to customize it at least.

[Marques]

And yeah, yeah, a couple favorites in there.

[David]

Yeah, that should be easy. One last bug I had that I was able to fix by logging out and logging back in is that when I went to the friends and family section where you can like make friends and have leaderboards and stuff, it would just have a spinning dial and then it would go away and the whole screen would just turn black a lot.

[Andrew]

It seems like there are quite a few of those where like heart rate variability or something would like have the graph but not the number and you'd have to log out and log back in. It just seems like a lot of data points go missing in the middle of the app.

[Adam]

Side note. Yeah, I completely forgot that was a thing. I'm challenging you.

[David]

Oh, challenge me? Yeah.

[Marques]

On the Fitbit.

[David]

Yeah. Well, I'm crushing David Cogan and Sherilyn right now. I I50,000 steps.

[Adam]

Yeah, but Kogan has a whole coffee shop to run. That's cheating.

[Marques]

That's a lot of steps.

[David]

I know.

[Andrew]

Pretty good.

[Marques]

I have another bug that is probably more of a flex than a bug, but you get low heart rate notifications for anything under 50, so I just get them all day.

[David]

He's like, you're so relaxed.

[Marques]

Low heart rate, low heart rate. Hey, if you're dizzier later, it's probably because of this. I'm like, it's not. It's fine.

[Andrew]

This is how we find out. Marques is actually always just napping in front of his computer and none of us can tell.

[Marques]

It doesn't let me change with the low heart rate notification.

[Andrew]

Oh, really?

[Marques]

Oh, it doesn't let you go. Oh, it's. You can Change it to 40.

[Andrew]

Wait, hold on, wait, wait.

[Marques]

So it should show that in the notification.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, the default is 50. The default's 50.

[Marques]

And then it says, would you like to dismiss? And I'm like, yes. And then it just tells me again. Okay, so 40 is the lowest you get notifications.

[Adam]

Okay, Found the new bug I can't add you guys.

[David]

Wait, does your spin to. Does it have a black screen?

[Adam]

It just won't open up. Show phone contacts.

[Marques]

Yeah, these are on my Lahore notifications.

[David]

Oh, there's a show phone contact. Oh, yeah, there's. There's a lot of bugs. This is such a weird product because despite all the bugs, I still think it's a great value. It's so.

[Marques]

It's a great value.

[Andrew]

Yeah. This is the weirdest value. I think this is proof that if you make a really good product and hopefully most of the bugs are software and you hope that they can fix them, is like, I still think this is great. I think I might get one. I think this blows Whoop out of the water. Obviously, I'm a certified whoop hater, but my thing, my, like, take on this is if you want a screenless wearable, this is it for 99% of the people and the 1% of people who want to whoop, 99% of that 1%. You don't need the whoop. You're just telling yourself you need the whoop. The Fitbit is totally fine and it's a hundred dollars for the rest of your life. And you don't see any reason.

[David]

You don't really need the AI.

[Andrew]

I don't think you need a subscription.

[David]

And Google is like. So now Google has a thing where if you have AI Pro or AI Premium, it also comes with YouTube Premium Lite for free. And it comes with Google Health for Premium Light. Yeah, it's newer. It's a newer thing. Okay, less.

[Andrew]

I am. And I think we need to give Google credit that they made a product that is really, really good without the subscription. And the subscription maybe gives you some super niche things. But like, usually they're like, here's all the niche things and we're gonna throw one or two super critical things in there that you're actually paying a ton of money for. And we can make it super expensive because AI.

[David]

But like, there's like 99 of the things you would want are in the included.

[Andrew]

I think most people should have without the subscription.

[Adam]

That is what I think Whoop should do moving forward. Yeah, I think they should offer a bunch of stuff just by default for free. And then if you really want their hardcore tracking, which a lot of people do, if you're getting a whoop, then that's what you pay for.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, whoops. Too busy trying to give out a bunch of free memberships to Amex cards or whatever.

[David]

And you know, but like another big reason why I think the Fitbit is such a good deal is because it just exposes how bad of a deal the whoop is right now.

[Andrew]

Yes. It also. Yeah, it's half the thickness.

[David]

Yeah. It's also smaller and thinner or.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Just the comparisons on wrist is like, why would you ever wear the whoop that this looks so much nicer? I haven't worn it yet. I think I am going to.

[David]

I'm really excited for the third party ecosystem that makes like bicep straps and chest straps.

[Marques]

Yeah, that was another thing I mentioned because there's a ton of accessories for the others and the whoop especially. But. But it's just the wristbands for this right now.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

But obviously being thinner and lighter and smaller, I feel like people are gonna wanna put this on the bicep or whatever the chest strap. All the other accessories will be because

[David]

the actual puck on this is very, very tiny. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam]

So one thing I've been thinking about is this isn't really a new product. This is just a Fitbit. Yeah, I had this 10 years ago.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Adam]

They just released a new band and everyone's losing their mind.

[Marques]

No screen, no time. Yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, that's what happens when your competitor is scamming people, essentially.

[David]

Well, it's also funny that the original Fitbits didn't have screens. And then we slowly moved towards screens as wearables became more popular. Because I was like, cool. Smartwatches. Smartwatches. And now everyone's like, ah, notifications, notifications. I don't want those.

[Marques]

New concept of a screenless wearable. Yeah.

[David]

Everything is a flat circle.

[Andrew]

So can I give my couple wishes for 2.0?

[Marques]

Sure.

[Andrew]

Because I think I am going to get one of these. But this is what I want.

[Adam]

Air 2.0 or Google Health app 2.0.

[Andrew]

Fitbit Air 2.0. Because some of these are hardware things.

[Adam]

No.

[Andrew]

Maybe they could. Okay, I know I'm a broken record saying I want notifications. I think it's. It has the vibration motor already.

[Marques]

Wait for the air. You want notifications for screenless?

[Andrew]

I just want to. Okay, all of you guys need to just let me say this.

[David]

Wait.

[Andrew]

Okay. Sometimes I just want to know if I have a phone call without it buzzing in my pocket. So it should just. If it buzzes on my wrist, I have a phone call that's so simple and so easy and it can do it.

[David]

I guess that's okay.

[Marques]

Okay. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Or the little notification thing just blinks. Then it's just like every Once in a while I'm like, oh, that's blinking on. It has an LED light that can blink. That only blinks for pairing. Right.

[Marques]

And battery.

[Andrew]

And battery. But like, that should be able to blink and just see like. Cool. I have some text messages. I can look at my phone later. Okay. Seems super simple. The. The app live metric screen needs heart rate zones.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

It would be really sick if in the future it had like a couple LEDs on the side that were different colors and could just show live upright heart rate zones on the side of the watch.

[Marques]

It's actually close to a deal breaker for me that the live hit workout does not show you what heart rate zone.

[Andrew]

Yes. I think so many people, especially now target heart rate zones during workouts, especially cardio workouts.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Wait, even on the phone, the phone

[Andrew]

doesn't show the graph. It does show a heart rate, but

[Marques]

it shows your heart rate.

[Andrew]

Okay. And then this is so niche, but I use my watch so often to find my phone when I misplace it. So if there's some sort of a gesture that could make my phone ring. Oh yeah, that would be awesome.

[David]

That didn't go off by accident all the time.

[Andrew]

That would be the biggest issue and probably why that will never happen. Yeah, but I move.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam]

While we're wishing, give me, give me Google Pay nfc. NFC thing.

[David]

While we're adding things, how about a screen?

[Marques]

I just want to know the time. I just want to look and see the time.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I've gone past the. I'm fine with it. Not having time. Okay, cool. No time.

[Marques]

Random. One last question. Do you think Apple should make a screenless fitness tracker?

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

Alongside the Apple Watch.

[David]

Dude, if they made like a thin one because Fitbit used to make like a thin sort of like stylish one, I think if Apple did, that would be game over.

[Adam]

Initially, this is why I've been going so hard down this road was because I wanted Apple specifically to make one. Because I loved using the Apple Watch and Apple Health and everything. But I didn't like wearing an Apple Watch. So I wanted just another little band like the Nike Fuel band from back in the day.

[Marques]

I think if you really want to cook. Whoop. Like they have all the bones to make the ideal, like privacy focused. Your data never leaves the device. You don't have to have a screen, but it's connected to your phone, obviously because it's an Apple fitness tracker, so probably will tell you when you have notifications. But it'll also be the sleek one, the cool one. It'll be lightweight, it'll have a ton of accessories because it's Apple and everyone makes a bunch of accessories. They have the ability. And potentially revamping the Google Health app with this new Apple intelligence, obviously powered by Gemini, but potentially giving you some tips and you know, stand hours closing your rings, but maybe a little more personalization. They can do something like that. Yeah, but Apple watched Apple watch.

[David]

Apple's always been big about the glanceable style too. So if you can just like see that someone's wearing an Apple fitness jean,

[Marques]

little white knit band on everybody's wrist. Yeah, it's like, yeah.

[Andrew]

I think this Fitbit Air, one of the biggest things about it is we're already seeing Garmin potentially coming out with like, I think this is starting to like guys, all of us make these sensors already. We can literally just make them. It's like with less money, like they're all realizing like we can make a ton of money off of this. And Whoop is probably not just scared of Fitbit, but they're scared of the fact that everyone else realizes that they can make these.

[David]

There is still an opportunity, a market opportunity. And I've thought about making this of someone making a watch band for regular watches that just happens to have the tracking sensors on the bottom of the watch.

[Marques]

People have been at least on my feed trying to do this.

[David]

They've been slapping that on.

[Adam]

I've been tagged like five times with pictures like that already, but they look

[Marques]

kind of bad and they.

[David]

And also the sensors on the bottom when it's supposed to be on the top of your wrist, but if someone built it around the bottom of your wrist, you know, be better.

[Adam]

I'm just not going to do a strength workout with a Omega Speedmaster.

[David]

No, I know, I know. But like for the everyday tracking of like, you know, that kind of stuff, heart rate stuff. One last thing, I have talked to a lot of regular non techie people about this. The number one feature that made them actually excited to maybe possibly buy one of these is the fact that it can vibrate as an alarm.

[Andrew]

Yes, I do. Really?

[Marques]

Alarm's nice because if you like wrist

[David]

alarm, if you like sleep in the same bed as another person and you don't want to wake them up with your alarm, just having that go off is like really nice. Also it has a feature where because it's tracking your sleep, it'll detect when you come out of a sleep cycle and within a 30 minute area of variability, it will wake you up when it's an optimal time that's pretty common.

[Adam]

That's how I woke up.

[Andrew]

Alarms with trackers.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Which I think the asleep does too. And I. When it wakes. When it wakes me up right as I'm coming out of sleep cycle, I'm

[Marques]

like, yeah, but start levitating.

[Adam]

I immediately rolled over and went back to sleep. I was like, absolutely.

[Marques]

You look at a timer like 20 minutes early, bro.

[Andrew]

What I feel, yeah, wrist alarm alarms are awesome except for you can be 10% awake and turn it off.

[Marques]

Really? That was my problem. It's so easy to dismiss by just tapping it. And that's not snooze, that's dismiss. So it's gone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So you gotta be careful with that.

[David]

Well, a lot of regular people are very excited about that feature, so.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[David]

Anyway, yeah, I really, really can't wait until they make new bands for this and I can hide it and wear a normal watch.

[Marques]

It'd be great. For those of you who are wondering, after my review, if I've continued using the Fitbit, you might have noticed that I am holding the Fitbit, but I'm still wearing the Whoop and the Apple Watch. I so torn about what I want to do about this. I don't know what I want to finish off, like my fitness journey with Whoop underwear.

[David]

They do.

[Marques]

I'm like, I'm like deep into the, like, calibration stuff with the Whoop.

[David]

What they make Whoop underwear.

[Guest]

They're like fitness tracking undies.

[David]

It's underwear that has a little. It has a little special pocket to put the Whoop. It can fit in the underwear.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. It's messed up.

[Adam]

I was going to say, I think you should at least let Whoop's configuration figure.

[Marques]

I'm going to let. Yeah, I'll finish the rest of the, you know, full calibration or whatever, but I'm like, like, do I want to get rid of my Apple Watch? I really like being able to check the time on my wrist. Super simple. And I really like getting notifications on my wrist. And I don't know if I can get rid of those two things, but I also don't think I want to wear both of these. So that's hard.

[Andrew]

I think you're going to stick with the Apple Watch.

[Marques]

I think that's most likely. I think, honestly, what's probably going to happen is I'll get to the end of the Whoop calibration and then I'll look at the subscription apps for the Apple Watch that can do almost the same thing that, like, Whoop is suing. So I know they're pretty close.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, people have been talking about that. They've been saying that that app that's getting sued by Whoop for having like, similar, like looking metrics apparently makes the Apple watch like basically a Whoop.

[Andrew]

Yeah, they're pretty expensive. They've. Apparently the price has gone up. It's a hundred dollars a year for Bevel athletic is like 30 bucks a year. That. That is such a primo, like, price for an app. It's like two or three dollars a month.

[David]

Whoop has started to attempt to make their, their pricing better value. Like they added basically a fitbod type like workout tracker inside of the Whoop thing now. So we'll tell you what exercises to do in real time because I, I pay. I think it's like $80 a year for Fitbud. So they need to add value because if they don't keep adding value like that, then it's a horrible deal. Yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

That's the thing I hope most comes from all this is Whoop fixing adjusting their hardware so that it's less of a thick band and adjusting their subscription pricing and maybe not being a brick if you unsubscribe.

[David]

That's the number one.

[Marques]

That would be nice for me. Forget the ipo. Just work on that.

[David]

IPO is crazy cool.

[Marques]

All right, well, we have a lot more to talk about with the. I think we should do the Luce after the break because there's plenty to talk about with the electric Ferrari. But before we get to that, we should do some trivia.

[David]

Man, I had a sneeze coming so hard and I just kept like, like when you just calm yourself down and it goes to the back of your head.

[Marques]

I heard that. It gets stuck there.

[Guest]

Later in the show, we're gonna talk about some Motorola news. They're back in it. So I wanted this first question to be about.

[David]

They never left.

[Guest]

They never.

[Andrew]

The story is not there back.

[Guest]

No, yeah, yeah, the story is. Well, you know. Okay, sorry, no spoilers. However, first trivia question about Motorola. Because when we think of Motorola, we immediately think of the late aughts, the early 2000 and tens. We think of phones like the Motorola Droid and Droid 2 and eventually Droid 3.

[Marques]

The Razr.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Razr and the Razr. Wow.

[Guest]

I can't believe I left that out.

[Andrew]

However, you were three.

[Guest]

Yes. However, there is one really noteworthy Motorola phone from that era that does not get broad enough. Enough. And the reason it is noteworthy is because it was the first phone that I could find that had both a multi touch touchscreen and an IP67 rating. Oh, this phone was from 2010. I want to say. What phone was it?

[Marques]

Oh, the first Motorola phone with a multi touch touchscreen and an IP67 rating.

[Guest]

It's, I believe it's the first phone I could find in anywhere with a multi touch screen. And let me rephrase that. It's the first smartphone that I could find anywhere with a multi touch screen and an IP67 rating. I say that because I wouldn't be surprised if there was some like construction workers, Palm Pilot special edition.

[David]

It's not the Droid is what you're saying.

[Guest]

It's not the Droid. It is not the Droid.

[Marques]

Okay, I have an idea. An idea. 2010 is the hint. Yeah. So we'll think about that. We'll find out the answer at the end like usual and we'll be right back. Support for this show comes from Shopify. Whenever you're stepping into something big, it's natural to ask, what if this just doesn't work out? Especially when it's as unpredictable as starting a business. But maybe the better question is, what if I absolutely crush this? Shopify can help you get on that wavelength. They're the commerce platform behind millions of businesses worldwide and nearly 10% of all E commerce in the United States. From established brands, brands like Gymshark and Magic Spoon, to companies just getting started, their design tools make it simple to create the exact online presence you're envisioning. With hundreds of ready to use templates available and with built in marketing tools, you can launch full email and social campaigns with just a few clicks so you can connect with customers wherever they are. It's time to turn those what ifs into with Shopify. Today you can sign up for your $1 per month trial. Today at shopify.com you can go to shopify.com waveform. That's shopify.com waveform. Support for the show comes from Framer. First impressions matter a ton. That's why having a top of the line website to catch potential customers is so vital. So why not try Framer to help upgrade your dot com? Framer is an enterprise grade no code website builder used by teams at companies like Perplexity and Miro to move faster with real time collaboration and robust cms. With everything you need for great SEO, not to mention advanced analytics that include integrated a B testing, your designers and marketers are empowered to build and maximize your.com from day one. So whether you Want to launch a new site or test a few landing pages or migrate your full.com, framer has programs for startups, scale ups and large enterprises to make going from idea to live site as easy and fast as possible. So learn how you can get more out of your.com from a framer specialist or get started building for free [e-mail] wave for 30% off a Framer Pro Angle plan. That's Framer.com wave for 30% off Framer.com wave rules and restrictions may apply.

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[Adam]

That explains why you disappeared for a few days. We were like where the hell is Marques?

[Marques]

I was overseas and then I got to see the final design and walk through that with the designers. Jony, I've and Mark Newsom literally walked me around the car for 45 minutes and explained everything. And then they handed me a DJI Osmo and they were like, go ahead.

[Andrew]

That's my favorite part of the whole.

[David]

What?

[Marques]

So that's something not a lot of people have talked about, but the event behind this was, I mean, super, super, super weird and secretive. This is like the Apple of car companies, I guess, in that we had to sign an NDA. Obviously, part of the NDA was if you are responsible for the leak, you owe like hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage.

[Andrew]

Oh, really?

[David]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andrew]

That's so much more intense than they

[Marques]

walk you in when you get to this. This super distant track. Like we flew into Milan and then it's like an hour and a half into some fields, like total middle of nowhere feeling. And as soon as you get there, they like take your phone out of your pocket and they just start taping over all of the cameras on your phone. Kind of like what Samsung used to do.

[David]

They would tape all of.

[Marques]

I came in there with five phones expecting to shoot an autofocus video and they're like, tape, tape, tape, tape. No shooting on your phones. They're like, we have a camera crew, we have cameras. You use our cameras and then we'll send you the footage when we're ready.

[Andrew]

So funny.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Marques]

So all of this to me speaks. It's like yellow flag territory. It's a little bit insecure, but it's also like they clearly don't want anything to leak because they need to control the narrative around this design because it is very different for them.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So extremely secretive.

[Andrew]

I feel like it feels more red flag because we've seen it, but I'm fine with a company taking some serious precautions into not leaking because everything just gets spoiled. This was like an actual reveal.

[Marques]

It was. It was really like a true surprise. And boy, was it a surprise. So the car comes out. I dropped the autofocus video, which I have all this information about the rest of the car, which almost doesn't matter because all anyone is talking about is the design, the interior and the exterior. This is a fully electric car designed by not a car designer. It's designed by Love from which, as I mentioned, Jony, I've, Mark Newson and a bunch of people that were brought from the original Apple design team who worked on things like the iPhone and the original like Apple product that you guys are familiar with today. And so there's a lot of very never before seen features in the car. Never before seen design elements of the car. And the Internet has been talking non stop about how ugly they think it is. Now I can give you guys my take on the design, but I also

[Andrew]

have a design for some people who might not have seen it first.

[Marques]

Okay, Yes, I can describe the design. So it is a five seater like midsize crossover sized EV and it is the size of like a Mazda MX5 or like a Polestar 3. You've probably, you know, BYD like there's a bunch of crossovers the same size crossover for. But there is the front of it has this really big front spoiler and this really smooth glass that sort of cuts under the front spoiler and then this like shark gills type of look in the front.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

The headlights are under the hood. It's kind of, it's a unique front. The back has these, these big circular tail lights which is maybe the only reference to Ferrari DNA. But then also looks like it's like being swallowed by a larger like rest of the car.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Big glass canopy. You've seen the, the interior probably by now, but yeah, it's a, is a very like blob EV design that we've seen many times. And we'll get into my take on the design before but it is not like a particularly exotic or pretty looking car.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So the Internet sees that. They see the $640,000 starting price tag and proceed to absolutely burn this car for the next four days on the Internet. What do you guys think? What do you think of the. The Ferrari Luce?

[David]

I think the blue makes me want to jump off a building. The, the red is by far the

[Andrew]

best color you're looking. Hold on. You just did what I did where I was like, wait, this angle looks pretty good. And then you click in and it says this render just shows how easy it could have been to make this look good. And it's not the real nevermind.

[David]

It all looks bad.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it. No, I mean I can jump kind of into my final thought because. Because okay, this car made by a cheaper company at $60,000 I think would look great. But like this car with the Ferrari DNA and this super secretive launch and like the teasers of like leclair and Hamilton looking at it and going like ooh, ah. And making it seem like it's going to be this incredible Ferrari is rough. My other take is Johnny, I've just made a bunch of interior things because that's what he's good at. And then just said chatgpt grab the exterior for me.

[David]

I think that, I think people were having chatgpt make the exterior and it looked better than this.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it, yeah.

[David]

This is what happens when you like have a phone design that some designer worked for like five years on. It's beautiful and it's like curved and perfect and you put an otterbox case on it. That's what it looks like. So I'm putting an otterbox case on a Ferrari.

[Andrew]

I've been comparing it to like the Mach E. Whereas Mach E, I think the Mach E is a good car.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And I don't dislike the design, but I think when you call it the Mustang, for whatever reason they decide to, everyone comes at it expecting a Mustang. So this is that times 10 when the Ferrari people are spending seven times more than a Mustang. Like yeah, this is just that exemplified. And that's why it's so much louder that everyone hates this. I think like, like if this was an eighty thousand, a sixty to eighty thousand dollar car with like decent range and everything, people would be like, this is kind of unique and cool.

[Adam]

It's fun.

[David]

Believably. Do you think that it's ugly on purpose? Because then when rich people have it. Because that's the way fashion is sometimes.

[Marques]

Yeah, I think you think there's anything to that. All right, here's what I really think. Right. There are honestly really no good two door electric cars. Like sports cars. Like as a sports car, there's a lot of sports cars out there. The whole idea of a sports car is to be engaged with it, obviously being lightweight and feeling like you're in control of the thing the whole time. Then you try to make an electric one and your first task is to put the battery somewhere. And in a tiny two door car, there is simply not enough room to put a good enough sized battery to make it like a reasonable car. And even if you did, they always have to put it at the bottom because it's so heavy and that room between the axles is precious. You put a battery there, then you move the driver up, Everything moves up. It just becomes way too cramped. There's not enough room to make a good battery with today's tech in a tiny two door car. So they have to go bigger.

[Andrew]

Okay, so what?

[Marques]

Cause you know Porsche Taycan's four doors. Every electric sports car you're thinking of is four doors.

[David]

It's a bigger car for sure.

[Marques]

The Taycan. The weissach pack literally has no back seats. It's a four door car. You open the back doors, there's no seats. They just needed room to put all of that stuff.

[David]

They should have done that for this though.

[Marques]

So they have to go bigger.

[David]

So what do they do?

[Marques]

They decide, all right, Ferrari, we already make a purosangue. We're gonna make something the same size, roughly this mid size crossover. And we're going to put the battery in the bottom and design around that. Your choice is. Now, do you want to make this an aggressive like exotic looking car the way other Ferraris have been?

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Marques]

But not quite as much correct. Or do you want to fully, do you want to fully embrace the fact that this is already so different from every other Ferrari? It's electric, it's silent, it is something super, super new. Do you want to continue to embrace the brand new and do something brand new with the design?

[David]

No.

[Marques]

And that was the choice that they made.

[David]

Correct.

[Marques]

Now I think we all know that if Ferrari had made this look like every other older Ferrari, it would have gone way better than this. We all know that. Those Ferraris, we all know that. That and everyone at Ferrari knows that. Everyone at Ferrari knows that. Everyone loves those older designs. It would have been much lower risk to do one of those older designs. Even the purosangue. You know, not everybody from Ferrari loves that, but it's at least kind of still sort of a Ferrari looking car.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

What they end up doing instead is they work with love from and Jony I've's team who everyone kind of knows came from Apple and did some legendary products there and we've ended up with this sort of more aero focused thing which has almost no reference to any other older Ferrari, which I think is intentional. I think they're going, this is new. Make it look like an exotic electric car, not an exotic gas car. And I, you know, the more I look at this car, I'm not gonna say it looks good. It looks really different and a lot of angles look really bad, but a lot of angles also look, it's not the worst looking car I've ever seen.

[Andrew]

I don't hate it.

[Marques]

It's not a terrible looking car. And so what I keep coming back to is almost everything wrong about this car comes from the fact that one, it is a Ferrari and two, it is $600,000.

[Andrew]

Yes, exactly.

[Marques]

If this was, hear me out, a $180,000 Lucid, we would all be totally fine with it.

[Andrew]

I don't know if that's true because

[Marques]

lucids are not pretty like a lot of these other EVs. What are you talking about? All right, Polestar. All right, a BYD. Like think of any random other blob. The Mercedes EQS. There are some ugly whale looking EVs out there. I agree with that. And nobody says anything about those. And so if this is one of those, it's fine.

[Andrew]

I think the Mach E is a fair comparison to this. Right.

[Marques]

So the Mach E I think is interesting.

[Andrew]

Simplified Machi.

[Marques]

Exactly. The Ferrari part is what you're talking about.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Which is like when you have a Ferrari badge on something, there is the expectation of it to be a Ferrari and it's stronger than ever with that brand because there's a long history of all the racing and the motorsport and all of the Ferrari designs that people love. The posters on the wall from the 90s to 2000s. And so everyone is expecting, oh, okay, it's Ferrari. They're going to do something really, really great that maybe we've never seen before. And then it's this blob and we're like, oh, that's not what I thought.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

And then the $600,000 is the same thing. Oh, it's going to be a half a million dollar car.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Marques]

Therefore it must be at like some highest level amazing, best possible design. So when this doesn't meet that, it falls way, way, way, way, way short. Like I said, if this was $150,000, not Ferrari. This doesn't fall nearly as short on design or specs or anything else. And all we're talking about is how. Oh, there's another kind of a blob looking EV out there.

[David]

Looks like a shark.

[Marques]

Yeah, it's like a fish.

[Andrew]

Can I argue back on your. If it needs a battery, it has to be arrow. It has to look like this.

[Marques]

Oh, yes.

[Andrew]

I just don't think it does. I just don't think anyone's buying a Ferrari to be practical. And I think it's totally fine if this was like a sick ferrari that had 100 miles of range that could get you from your house to the restaurant. You want to see everyone, you want everyone to see you show up at or like do with a couple of track.

[Marques]

So I actually agree. And I think, I think Ferrari probably also went down this route too where they're like, what if we don't go fully, fully, fully different. What if we go halfway there? It's already electric. That's crazy enough. Let's play it safe with everything else. Okay. It's really aggressive and aero. And so the range is going to be garbage. But, like, who cares? It's a Ferrari. Like, you're not driving this every day. Since when did anyone care about the efficiency of a sports car? Like, that's totally a reasonable way to think about this. And I think they ended up going away from that probably because they just chose. They were trying to pick one of their battles. They're like, do we make this car that every Ferrari person is going to hate because it's an electric version that sort of bastardizes the Ferrari design? Or do we just do something totally different so that the electric stuff is grouped in with this new design and it's just so different. It's. It doesn't even resemble a Ferrari in the slightest. It's a totally new thing. And they're also thinking about buyers and Ferrari people who are buying all the other gas Ferraris and who care about the V12 and the V10 and those other powertrains are for the first time completely not in the target demographic of a new Ferrari. This is supposed to be for a new, potentially younger, potentially more international buyer who wasn't going to buy any of

[David]

those other Ferraris, buys ugly stuff. Because that's the point.

[Marques]

I don't want to cut who buys, who buys. Maybe more electric, is more interested in technology and maybe sees Johnny, I've designed it and goes, oh, yeah, this is. This speaks to me more than whatever Italian name you were going to put in front of me before. That is this slightly newer buyer. So I think Ferrari is thinking about all this new, new, new and is just leaning, leaning fully on new, new, new, different. Nothing old at all. That's how he ended up here.

[Guest]

Marquez, I have an idea seed to plant in your brain, please. Because I, and me saying this out loud will guarantee I will never be invited to a single Ferrari thing for the rest of the.

[Marques]

I think I'm already banned, too.

[Guest]

I don't think this is entirely new because when I see the design of the car, it makes me think of a bunch of the late 60s and entire. All through the 70s Lambos. Like, if you're familiar with like the Lambo, Miura and Lambo.

[Marques]

Those are so angular, though.

[Guest]

No, no, look up the. The Lamborghini Harama is what it's called the J. Harambe. Yeah. Or like the. The Lamborghini Uroco or like the. The seventies really smooth ones. Before you get to the angular Countach. To me, if you combine like the Miura, the Harama and the Rocco and Then take like a Dodge Daytona EV and throw that in there. It, like, becomes the same.

[David]

Pretty angular, though, I would say.

[Marques]

I see what you're saying. This is so much more of, like, I described it in my short as, like, if a BYD ate a Ferrari. And at first you laugh because, like, why would anyone spend $600,000 on a BYD? But they make the best electric cars in the world right now. They sell a lot of cars. And if you're gonna compete in who's gonna make the best electric car. Okay, I drove it. I can't talk about me driving it yet, but I think it's pretty clear they're targeting this being one driving electric cars. It's not the best straight line speed because it's not the lightest. You have plaid, you have lucid air, sapphire. But, I mean, they took me to a track to drive it, so that should say something about how they aim for, you know, positioning of this. This car.

[David]

It's still a driving experience.

[Marques]

It's still a Ferrari drive. So it is, like the sportiest, most luxurious version of the byd.

[Andrew]

Can I. You might not know the answer to this question, and I might be kind of wrong, but in general, to buy a Ferrari, you have to have owned Ferraris already, right?

[Marques]

No. So that's. That is definitely a common thing that people talk about online. It's to buy certain premium Ferraris.

[Andrew]

Yes. Because when the whole argument is like, no one who owns Ferraris is going to want this if they're the only ones who can buy it. It feels like. It feels like. To me, though, as someone who's like, if you like all the things that Ferrari makes right now, you probably don't like this.

[David]

Yep.

[Andrew]

But also, like, if you're the kind of person who's really looking forward to buy a Ferrari because you want to have, like, the Ferrari clout that's involved with it, this also is not that. So I'm very confused at who is the person that's buying this. Yeah, it's not cheap.

[Marques]

It's not cheap.

[David]

100,000.

[Marques]

I think it makes so much more

[Andrew]

sense to just buy a really sick, nice sports car like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini and then also buy like a Elucid.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Guest]

If you want any bedroom house.

[Marques]

I do think they, somewhere along the line ended up at this being the most daily able, most practical, most comfortable Ferrari. And no one was asking for that. But that is technically what this is. And so there it is.

[Andrew]

I wish I had a jet ski that could fit six people.

[Marques]

Yeah, that's like.

[David]

That's how it feels.

[Marques]

It's a little crazy. But you know what's funny? I talked about this. This again in the short. Let's say this happens with Porsche, right? Everyone who loves motorsport and loves Porsches loves the GT4s and the GT3s and the 911s. Right. We all care about the sports cars, but as Porsche was approaching literal bankruptcy, they're like, well, we got to try the other thing. And now there's the Macan and the Cayenne and these, like, crossovers that do way more volume in the sports cars and that for a long time has been making enough money for them to develop the sports cars, too. And Porsche people kind of just went, eh, I guess that's necessary. I'm not gonna buy one. But I get why people do buy that. The soccer mom, the suburban housewife has to get one of these. All right, great. That makes us more money. Now we can keep doing the sports car thing. Same thing with. Same thing with Lamborghini.

[Andrew]

These aren't any of those things, though.

[Marques]

The same thing with Lamborghini. No, I'm saying the. The form factor. I do think the price kind of fails this analogy. But the Lamborghini is the same thing. Like, the Urus came out, and it is $250,000, but it is the one with four or five seats or whatever. And you could sell that and still develop the more hardcore, less practical Lamborghinis. This could fit that analogy if it was also cheaper and was more attainable. I kind of wonder, how many do they expect to actually sell? The Purosangue doesn't sell that well. This is more expensive than that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So if this was cheaper, I could see it fitting into that analogy of like, hey, it's a practical one. Like, you might see this in your neighborhood.

[David]

Is there anything crazy about the technology?

[Marques]

A lot of the Ferrari engineering is in the under the hood design. Every single wheel has independent steering, independent suspension adjustment, and independent torque vectoring and power. So there's three motors per wheel, which is crazy. It's a thousand horsepower. It does, like, this crazy active suspension. It does a whole lot of. I mean, you're driving it, it's actively keeping it flat. The torque vectoring, a lot of stuff. You got to drive it. Yeah. And you'll see a lot of. I mean, I'll talk about it in the video. I can't evaluate it. I'm trying to describe it. Trying to be, you know, three times. But, yes, it does drive.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Like a Ferrari supposed to.

[David]

Okay.

[Adam]

So yeah, there's a thing too with like high end watches. It's very similar where like a watch will come out, that's 300 grand and it's like, okay, who the hell is gonna buy that? But as a watch person that doesn't play in that tax bracket. It is good to know that these things still exist. Like as a person who's enthusiastic about the mechanics and the stuff like that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And that's the vibe I'm getting with this. There's a lot in the car that I'm just glad that it exists in an electric car and I wanna see it trickle down to something else.

[Marques]

I wonder for my analogy with like watches and I just kind of used Rolex as my example because I don't know anything about watches. But like if Rolex made an Apple watch competitor a smartwatch.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

How would that land Rolex people was square.

[Adam]

That's such a great example.

[Marques]

Like if they made just a watch with a battery and a screen and they had some cool technology in it that maybe was different that you don't see in an Apple watch, but it was also $200,000. Like it doesn't look like a fish.

[Andrew]

And well, and looked nothing.

[Marques]

And it would look like a fish compared to every other Rolex.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Even if it's not the ugliest smartwatch of all time. It's ugly for a Rolex.

[Adam]

Right.

[Andrew]

It looks like a CMF watch.

[David]

Exactly.

[Marques]

That's what this Ferrari Luce feels like in the world of Ferraris. But if you take that badge off

[Andrew]

and I fully agree with you on this.

[Marques]

Another conspiracy. But maybe not even conspiracy is D badge. It. Think about Apple for a second.

[David]

Think about Apple for a second thinking about it.

[Andrew]

Oh yeah.

[Marques]

When they came out with the Vision Pro, what did they say that took them a decade to make to do all the engineering and the behind the scenes and the design and everything from the ground up for this VR headset. $3,500. A decade of secretive work, right?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Everyone kind of knows open secret at this point that Apple was developing a car for a long time and then eventually canned it. And then love from comes along and partners with Ferrari sometime around 2020 2019, 2020 and makes this car from the ground up in six or seven years. I don't know if that's a normal timeline for developing a super expensive and like complex electric car, but it would seem to me that at least some of the DNA from a previous car project from Jony I've and team probably had to be a lot of the foundation for this car. I can see that. And so if you take that Ferrari badge off and put an apple logo on the front, it doesn't seem that crazy, right? It still looks like a fish. It still looks like a BYD ate a Ferrari with those lights on the back. But it does feel a little. Because now there's no heritage. There's no Ferrari expectations. It's just like, oh, apple made a car. What does it look like? Oh, it's kind of weird. Looks kind of like a magic mouse, but, yeah, it's kind of weird, I guess. But whatever. That's probably a little bit more in line with the reaction that we would have seen.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So I think there's a little project Titan in this car.

[David]

I will say that former Ferrari chairman Montez Amolo said, I cannot say what I really think I would harm Ferrari. We risk the destruction of a legend. So, sorry. Take the prancing horse off. At least the Chinese won't copy this car. I feel like he said what he

[Marques]

thought it was, like, the harshest.

[Andrew]

There was just a couple slurs in there or something.

[Marques]

In terms of what he said in

[David]

hand gestures, not very many people are happy. And people are making very funny memes because in the introduction video, they had of it, they had, like, these people who were, like, really well dressed were sort of walking around looking at it, and people were taking. Yeah, people were taking screenshots of them being, like, kind of looking terrified, just being like, what is this?

[Adam]

I want the unfiltered thoughts of Charles LeClaire and Lewis Hamilton.

[Marques]

Dude. Okay, I can finally say this now. Like, when I went to shoot the F1 stuff in Miami the week after I was in Italy, just hanging around a lot of Ferrari people, and all of them who'd found out that I'd driven the Luce were like, so what do you think? Like, sort of nervously, like, they all know that it's a little bit crazy. And they're like, so what do you think? And I remember I kind of said a lot of the same stuff with them. I was like, yes, that's interior is nice, but it looks really different. And they're like, yeah, it does look very different. Like, they would all agree. So they all know. Like, internally, they all know.

[Adam]

I can neither confirm nor deny.

[Marques]

Yeah. I'm just so curious about, like, the structure of, like, how they. How do they decide to work with love from. And have what feels like zero input on the entire car design, minus the,

[Andrew]

like, rear tail lights, the tail lights

[Marques]

Feel like something that love from took and put there so that it's a Ferrari technically, but like otherwise it's an apple car. There is no other reference to any other Ferrari DNA other than the badge anywhere on this car. Yeah, yeah, nothing.

[David]

You could have made this look like a MacBook Air and it would more look like a Ferrari than this.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

Because the MacBook Air at least has the wedge shape of the traditional Ferraris.

[Marques]

There are some really interesting quirks on the external design. The windshield wipers are on the outside of the windshield because there's no cowl to like protect them. And there's like this smooth glass canopy down to the the front nose of the car. So kind of like a cybertruck but like one on each side. Kind of insane, but odd. The headlights are also all smooth. So like that glass continues down to the front and over the headlights. So they don't protrude at all. They're just like smooth with the body of the car.

[David]

When you crack it, it's gonna cost $200,000.

[Marques]

Well, it's not one piece. It's just like smooth headlight glass and then continues smooth with the rest. Okay, so that's kind of interesting. The wheels, so they have this turbine looking wheel that I shot in my video and that you see everywhere else. I think it looks horrible, but it is. What you see on a lot of other electric cars is like dinner plate sized wheels. So bad. Because that's more aero efficient. This is the aero thing again. They look bad, but how many times have I talked about terrible?

[David]

Why do they need to be aerodynamic?

[Marques]

Because. Yeah, just different. Just different. They don't have to. I don't think they have to. It's a Ferrari. I don't get it. Give two hoots about like what type of range? I'm not going to drive it every day, but if I didn't care about

[David]

being air efficient, I would just want an 80s hatchback to be my EV. That's all. That's all I want.

[Marques]

Yeah. So they have Marquez.

[David]

I still want that for you. Yes, I still want that.

[Adam]

Are we going to get one so you can drive around one?

[Marques]

Are we going to like get rid

[David]

of any point of the two that exist?

[Andrew]

Not after this episode.

[Marques]

I would say that Ferrari probably doesn't love what anyone is saying about this car. But. But I just don't. I feel like they're gonna keep it.

[David]

Why did they choose the colors they chose?

[Marques]

I don't look. If you look on their configurator, light blue and yellow if you look on their configurator, change the paint colors, it can kind of look a little less ridiculous. I think that baby blue is pretty terrible.

[David]

It's horrible, the blue.

[Marques]

Actually, the wheels are the most offensive part of the car to me. But if you get to that five spoke wheel design and like a darker color, it looks a little less offensive.

[Adam]

A matte black. What? No way.

[Marques]

This isn't black.

[David]

This is blue.

[Marques]

You're looking at my screen. This is blue.

[David]

This website for the configurator is really broken and bad.

[Marques]

Yeah, the configurator is also.

[David]

I can't believe they even let you configure this on the Internet. I feel like you'd have to go somewhere and do it.

[Marques]

No, they wanna buy it.

[David]

These all look like something from like a 2008 PlayStation 2 video game. Yeah.

[Marques]

But this is how car configurators look.

[David]

Oh, my God, it looks so bad.

[Guest]

I think it's a pretty cool car.

[Marques]

There it is.

[David]

All right.

[Guest]

I do. I think it's cool in the front and I think it's cool in the back and I think it's cool in the inside. And I don't mind the wheels.

[Marques]

The interior is. I don't even think. I feel like we haven't even talked about the interior, but the interior is actually, and I want to make sure I'm not saying this wrong, it is the best interior of any electric car I've ever driven.

[David]

Yeah, it looks nice.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

There was a point in Cleo's video which was really good, where she and I noticed it on your video too, even though you didn't mention it, I don't think. But the bar on the tablet on the inside is not just like a handle to wiggle the screen around or whatever you'd like naturally. Place your hand there, almost like a palm rest when you're interacting with the screen.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And I had never thought about that. And in any of these screens, in any car, that little touch is so

[Marques]

it isn't a couple cars that I've driven. It is perfect on this screen because it moves. But in my car, in the. In the 911, it's the same thing. Like every time I touch the screen, I always rest my hand in the same exact, exact spot and then touch the screen so I don't have to like, think so. And this is probably because it moves. They decided to put the handle on it. Very clever.

[Andrew]

My issue with that screen, that can rotate, it's like a ball head.

[Marques]

Right.

[Andrew]

Like it can go.

[Marques]

It's Fully manual.

[Andrew]

Yeah. It will never be level the first time you move it. You move it once and it will never be level again for the rest of its life.

[Marques]

You gotta just pull it towards yourself and just, just.

[Andrew]

I think I would have to carry a level in the car with me. It's never gonna be like fix it again. It would drive me.

[David]

The key. So cool.

[Andrew]

It's so cool.

[Adam]

So cool.

[Andrew]

So unnecessary. So cool. That's the cool, fun little things that I'm here for.

[Marques]

For anyone who hasn't seen the key, the key is this little rectangle, this magnetic light up rectangle with the Ferrari prancing horse on it.

[Andrew]

Giant Ferrari looks.

[Marques]

It's yellow. It's glowing yellow. And then you put it in this designated spot in the center console. It magnetizes to align with that center spot. And then you slowly push it into the center console until it's flush.

[David]

You have to do this every time.

[Marques]

I mean this is like getting in. They decided like instead of getting in a car turning a key and then the engine comes to life, you need like a come to life moment for this car. So you push it into the center console. That yellow light then transfers to the drive select and then you move that to drive and then you're going that.

[Andrew]

It's like Indiana Jones. Like it's pretty nice finding an artifact and putting it in a wall.

[Adam]

That's the kind of stuff that I mean, I can't wait for these little touches to trickle down into all of our cars.

[Andrew]

True. Yeah.

[David]

Super.

[Andrew]

Would break the out of.

[Marques]

I want to see that in the next RAV4, baby. Yeah, so there's some, there's some great interior details with this car. And I love that key.

[Andrew]

Cuz the logo is so big that you're like, you're out with your friends and the keys on the table like, damn, you have a Ferrari. Come check it out. And then they see, they're like jump. Just never mind, I'm good.

[Marques]

Dude, all the Ferrari keys are those the same rectangle.

[Andrew]

Just like really? They're just huge with the logo on it.

[Marques]

And they always have like a little rectangle in the center console to put the key in. But this one is like, you know, the magnet and the light and all that.

[Andrew]

That's pretty sweet.

[Marques]

Yeah, we're gonna see one on the street someday and we're all gonna go, oh boy.

[Adam]

I was thinking that the first time I see this on the street, I'm 100% stopping. Like it is one of those.

[David]

Do you think you're gonna see it on the street. I don't think I'm ever going to see this on the street.

[Adam]

You'll see it at me packing.

[Marques]

Not as much as. Yeah, you'll see, like, once in a while, like, you'll see it. Right. Random Lamborghini, sometimes.

[Guest]

That's a neighborhood in New York. I feel like if you don't know Manhattan and you just hear us say, like, we'll see it at Meatpacking. That doesn't make any sense.

[David]

Well, there's. There's meatpacking districts in other cities, too.

[Guest]

Name one.

[David]

Copenhagen. Oh, it's Meatpacking.

[Marques]

Got him.

[David]

Okay.

[Marques]

All right, last question for you guys. Last question on this design. And try to think, like, far out future. Okay, but how do we think this will age? Because a lot of cars have an initial reception. That's one thing. And then six months later, a year later, five years later, it's something different.

[Adam]

I don't know, about six months, but I think in 20 years it'll be nice. I think part of the reason why people don't like this car now currently is because it looks very much like all of the other EVs that are coming out now.

[Marques]

Blobs.

[Adam]

Blobs. And I think Ferrari. When I picture a Ferrari, it's the designs of the 80s and the 90s.

[Marques]

Like, it is the Pinfarino.

[David]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Like, it is a beautiful, angular beast.

[Marques]

Aggressive arrow.

[Adam]

Aggressive. And this is not that.

[Marques]

Right.

[Adam]

So I think right now we're looking back on everything with such, like, it's your. To your point, Marques, like, about the reminiscing on the past is like destroying everything.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I think in 30 years when we're reminiscing about this era of cars and designs and stuff like that, then maybe I'll look back on this fondly. But right now it looks like a whale.

[David]

I disagree. And do you want to know why? Why?

[Adam]

Why?

[David]

Why? Do you remember the glossy computer monitors with giant bezels from the 2000 and tens? Yes.

[Guest]

The Apple Cinema displays.

[David]

Those did not age well.

[Marques]

Correct.

[David]

And this car reminds me of those monitors.

[Andrew]

Really?

[Guest]

Disagree.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

What?

[Guest]

Yeah, I think those aged like fine wine.

[Andrew]

I did.

[Guest]

They look nice in a room. They sure. They might not, like, be like an optimal look in a room. They look nice in a room.

[David]

This looks nice if you put a

[Adam]

monitor display in that thing. Absolutely.

[David]

That's nice in a room.

[Marques]

I will say something that.

[Guest]

No, wait, whoa, whoa. That's not an Apple Cinema display.

[David]

No, I didn't say Apple Cinema display. I just said the glossy black computer Mode.

[Andrew]

Oh, no, no, that's different.

[Guest]

The Apple Cinema display has aged like fine wine.

[David]

Yeah. It doesn't remind me of Apple Cinema display.

[Marques]

So, you know, it's funny that ages like fine wine. What a lot of people say is about Bugatti, they've made cars for a long time and something they specifically do is avoid putting large displays in the cars. And philosophically, it's because that's not going to look new anymore in five years or 10 years or 50 years when

[David]

people still have these cars.

[Adam]

Like putting an iPad in your house, build it into the wall.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

And so now once you see that, you can't unsee the difference between a lot of these cars keeping it very analog or just going, you know what, here's a 75 inch screen like this. This is just an Escalade screen in your car. Yeah. This Luce is curiously kind of right in the middle. Like, it blends the displays. It's really hard to get on video, but it blends the displays and the physical materials.

[Andrew]

That was really impressive.

[Marques]

Well, that was impressive. And I wonder how that's going to.

[David]

The interior looks amazing. Yeah, I think that'll age fine.

[Andrew]

Did you see the tweet that just said everyone thought the cybertruck looked ugly when it was released? And all their plasma, like, everyone still likes the exact same thing.

[Marques]

Well, you know what's funny?

[Andrew]

Feels like what you're asking.

[Marques]

The cybertruck is interesting because when the cybertruck first came out, there was a brief, like pop star moment where people were like, the first reaction wasn't, ew, a cybertruck. The first reaction was like, holy cow, what is that spaceship thing? Yeah, yeah. And then it was ugly. Yeah. And so this could have a. This could. Hey, it could be the opposite.

[Andrew]

But this is a little weirder because I think it does look a little too much like a Leaf or a Prius in a sense. Yeah, it looks like a Leaf.

[Adam]

Sure.

[Andrew]

And it being a Ferrari is. Yeah, it was cool when the Prius looked like a Lamborghini. It's not cool when the Ferrari looks like a Prius.

[Marques]

That's exactly.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

That's a perfect, perfect explanation of why this will probably age poorly.

[David]

That was perfect.

[Guest]

Can I compare it to one more vehicle that has, quote, unquote, existed in the past? Are you guys familiar with the 2013 Matt Damon film Elysium?

[Marques]

Of course not.

[Guest]

Yeah, fair enough. There's the villain in that movie. A big part of that movie is going back and forth between Earth and like this sort of floating paradise. In space. And the villain spaceship is an officially branded Bugatti spaceship. And other than having the Bugatti logo, it looks. It has almost nothing to do with Bugatti. And I feel like this is an apt metaphor.

[Marques]

That's interesting. You know what that look reminds me of? That spaceship from Lilo and Stitch.

[David]

Yeah, it does.

[Guest]

Yep.

[Marques]

Very bubbly.

[Adam]

Okay, question for you.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Did everyone want this to look like the Hyundai Envision 74?

[Marques]

I have a take about that. And this comes to you. Remember we put in the slack. Yeah, you were like, argument. Well, you put basically if they had just taken this old design.

[David]

Yeah. But just made it electric 1980s hatchbacks or 1980s, like, square car.

[Marques]

And what'd you say? I would buy it. Everyone would buy it.

[David]

I would buy it. I said all I want is this.

[Marques]

I think my take on just make the old design electric is the same as the small phones. Everyone online, I don't know, man, Agrees that they all like it. Universally positive. The 13 Mini, the 12 Mini, the Zenfone, all these phones, Everyone who reviews them, loves them.

[David]

Hatchbacks are still functional, though.

[Marques]

Everybody. Well, I'm just saying, like, the small phones got universally positive praise online from reviews from users, from everything. Yet still they all went extinct because not enough people actually bought them.

[David]

Okay, but in the United States is the only place where we don't still make hatchbacks and those kind of cars. Cause those are very popular in Europe.

[Marques]

Ellis has brought in his iPhone 12 mini.

[Adam]

He ran out the route to go grab it.

[David]

Damn, what a smile.

[Marques]

Universally beloved. Right. But it doesn't exist anymore. It had two generations and then not enough people bought it. And Apple moved on to literally the opposite, the plus.

[David]

But like, hatchbacks and those kind of cars are still very popular in Europe, you know, and so they just need to electrify those. They just haven't electrified them yet.

[Marques]

Well, I guess my take is not enough people would buy it in America, you think if they made like a small hatchback.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think, like, those are like the smaller hatchbacks, which. Which now if we're going back to a cheaper car, then we do care

[Marques]

about ranging because the Taycan Cross Turismo exists. It's just not the old.

[David]

So it's like a 1980s Mercedes, which I know they can't make because of, like, safety regulations and stuff like that.

[Andrew]

I think you're talking more station wagon.

[Marques]

Station.

[David]

Sorry, station wagon.

[Marques]

Old station wagon. Yes. But electric.

[David]

Yes, 100%.

[Guest]

This does exist in Europe.

[Andrew]

That's what it is.

[David]

Yeah.

[Guest]

There's the Audi Avant, I forget the AE6 maybe. And then there's the Volkswagen, the touring ID. And then there's a number.

[David]

But they still don't look. They still don't look like the old. Yeah, they still are more rounded and stuff. I just want that 1980s style.

[Marques]

But it's such a common. What you're saying is a very common thread. Like when the new Volkswagen bus came out and it was like a revamped new design, everyone was like, but just make the old bus electric. But they didn't do it it right. And I think it's because they know that everyone saying that just says that but then isn't going to.

[Andrew]

That argument just falls flat because no one bought the new version either.

[Marques]

They wouldn't have bought the rep.

[David]

I saw billion of them when I was in Europe last week. But also the original bus had like 1cm of metal between you and death. So I don't know if that's, you

[Marques]

know, if they could really do the same thing. But like sentimentally, everyone loves the old designs. They always have a fond place in our heart. So everyone's like, bring that back. Make it electric. And I'd buy an electric car, but.

[David]

And then I don't know. I feel like they just say that

[Marques]

and then they don't.

[David]

They wouldn't if it was like, okay, if it wasn't like a bazillion dollars, you know, if it was starting around the same price as like other cars that start around like, you know, 40 or something. I feel like it would be popular. But I might be wrong.

[Marques]

Maybe. I guess we'll never know.

[David]

I guess we'll never know because no one's making happen.

[Marques]

No one's making them.

[David]

Can we do what if I ask. I don't know. I'll ask Gemini to simulate a world where this is happening. Okay. Speaking of EVs, you saw a cyber cab in Texas?

[Andrew]

I did, but dude's not cutting air.

[David]

Steering wheel.

[Marques]

Depends on how we define cybercab. Because I saw if anyone's been in Austin, Texas in the last couple weeks, you've probably seen this too. You'll see a random cyber cab driving around and then you'll pull up next to it and there's just a person driving and I don't know. I haven't looked into it. I don't follow this as closely. I'm sure people tell us in the comments like they're either testing it or trying to validate something.

[Guest]

It's an optimus robot.

[Marques]

It's not a person that Explains why he waved back like that. No, it was just like. It looked pretty close. It had no side view mirrors. It was the same type of car with the weird wheel covers, but it was driven by a human. And I assume that that happens with basically every EV before it has to get. Get validated, certified, et cetera, and then it's good to go. I don't think that says anything about when this car is actually going to come out. Yeah, no, because there are many things about that car that don't appear to be ready to go. It did look pretty bad. We were behind it briefly and you could see the wheel cover just flopping around next to the car. It was not pretty, but. Yeah, maybe soon. Someday, maybe. Yeah, I think my hair is safe, if that's what you're asking.

[David]

Yeah, I'm not asking that.

[Marques]

That.

[David]

Two days ago, Tesla's chief designer said that the second generation Roadster will be built in Texas and said that alpha prototypes are currently in testing. And I'm like, it's been.

[Marques]

You've said a lot of things about this.

[Andrew]

10.

[David]

No, well, it's been nine years since they announced 2017.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah. Nine years.

[David]

So why are you in the Alpha stage when you took priori.

[Marques]

Because they haven't done anything. If you actually. It's funny, if you listen to everything I said about the Rose for the past decade or so, it kind of implies that they haven't done anything since then. And there was an old. Because I remember when I was still a believer in the Roadster, there was an old Franz Van Hoellhausen interview, I think, on the Ride the Lightning podcast where he went on. It was probably five, six years after it was announced, and he was like, everything about the Roadster is going to be better than what he showed you on stage. Remember that?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

He's like, everything about all the metrics, everything will be better.

[David]

Rockets.

[Marques]

And I thought about that and I was like, okay, okay, you announced a 200 kilowatt hour battery, a 600 mile range, a 1.9 second 0 to 60 and an 8 and a half second quarter mile, and somehow all of that is going to be better when it comes out. How?

[Adam]

What?

[Marques]

I don't know if I believe any of this anymore.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

And so, yeah, here we are, it's 2026 and we have new bait. This is like bait for people like me. They're just like, here's a new thing to talk about. Talk about the Roadster. And it's an Alpha prototype testing and they're going to build IT in Tech Texas. Sure.

[David]

It also just doesn't make sense why they would build the roadster now that they stopped making the Model S. That's

[Marques]

actually the most important thing. They literally discontinued the two lowest volume cars because they want to focus on the higher volume stuff.

[David]

And this car would be even lower volume.

[Marques]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

That's the hard part to believe. That makes no sense. I just don't.

[Guest]

Yeah, it's.

[David]

I don't know, I don't think it's ever coming.

[Adam]

I'm rooting for it because US AI needs more money in their bottom line.

[David]

SpaceX, Twitter AI.

[Adam]

SpaceX, Twitter AI.

[Marques]

I mean, the roadster has essentially become like a stock boost button.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

When you need a boost, you just don't just talk about the roadster, just promise the roadster again. Just hit the button and then it'll be another year before anything happens and then they'll promise it again. And that's, that's the road this time.

[David]

Say it flies. Yeah, I mean they did say it flies. They literally said that many years ago.

[Marques]

As much as I'm rooting for it and I'm very excited for it, I have decided to stop thinking about it.

[David]

Yeah, you should just put it out here.

[Marques]

Head.

[David]

Yeah. Well, speaking of things that we'll stop thinking about directly after the podcast, the answers to these trivia questions.

[Marques]

I don't know about you, but I'm gonna think about these for a long time.

[David]

These trivia questions.

[Marques]

Yeah, forever.

[Adam]

Do you guys want the Fitbit question or the Ferrari question?

[David]

Fitbit.

[Andrew]

Fitbit.

[Adam]

Ferrari outvoted Marques.

[Marques]

Sorry, can I at least hear it later?

[Adam]

Sure, sure. I'll pull you aside and I'll tell you it later.

[Marques]

Great.

[Adam]

All right, so here is the Fitbit question. The first wrist based Fitbit was called what Ferrari question.

[Marques]

I think we just got out voted. Let's go. The first one. Wow.

[Andrew]

First Fitbit history.

[Adam]

The first wrist based Fitbit.

[Marques]

Wrist based Fitbit kind of implies that there was an earlier Fitbit that was like underwear based.

[Adam]

No, like the pedometer one that David always brings things up.

[David]

Don't you put in your shoe? Yeah, yeah. When I worked at intel, everyone used that one. They were doing step goal challenges.

[Marques]

It had a name. Huh.

[David]

Not doing any work. Nobody at intel did any work, I swear to God.

[Marques]

Do they do work now?

[David]

Probably not. Dang, they're fun.

[Adam]

They're 10 owned by the government, so

[Guest]

they're too busy swimming in that China Lake or whatever.

[David]

China Lake?

[Guest]

Is that the name of their flag? Oh, it's Silver uk. Is it really not?

[David]

Oh, you mean like. Oh, the. Yeah, okay. Meteor Lake. That kind of stuff. I don't think they had China Lake.

[Guest]

T Lake is a place near where you grew up. That's where I. I got it mixed up.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Anyway, we'll think about this.

[Andrew]

Thank you so much, Marcus.

[Marques]

We'll get to the answers at the end. We'll be right back.

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[Andrew]

Welcome back. I just read this article yesterday that was really funny about Motorola phones hijacking Amazon affiliate links. Have you seen this?

[Marques]

I had not seen this headline.

[Andrew]

Have you seen this?

[David]

I saw the headline. I did not read into it.

[Andrew]

It seems like it was was found on the Motorola subreddit and then Ben Shun did a article on it on 9 to 5 Google but essentially in a recent app update people have noticed that if you go to Amazon the app inside your drawer that it really quickly is flashing a web browser and then loading into the app and apparently it is Running an affiliate link before it's opening the actual app.

[David]

So it's honey.

[Andrew]

Every single. It is honey. But, but on Motorola phones I feel

[David]

like that honey investigation came out and all the companies were like oh great idea. We could have made a lot of money doing that.

[Marques]

So the Amazon app that's preloaded on Motorola phones is like bugged to always use some corporate affiliate code.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's really bizarre because it looks so hacky. First of all if it is on your homepage, it does not it for some reason which I mean I don't know a lot of people with the Amazon on their homepage. But anyways if you go through the app drawer they were testing it and yeah you would click it and for people like us I think we would notice it because really quickly you'd see like the browser UI like white flash screen and then the, the Amazon app would come up. So you're inside the Amazon app, the full blown app. But you know like whenever you maybe click on a YouTube link right before it goes to the YouTube app, it like flashes like it's loading in browser. It kind of looks like that except you're pulling it from your app drawer instead. So it was really strange. I don't think a lot of people would notice it. And it wasn't happening previously. In fact at 9 to 5 Google they tested it on older apps, on older software updates. It's still not doing that. But then a more recent one, it has started doing it.

[Marques]

I'm looking at the video.

[Andrew]

The funniest. Yeah if you watch the video and the link on there it shows it. But the funny thing is is you know we've seen a lot of really budget phones do some kind of shady ads or whatever to like make up for the fact that they're so cheap. 9 to 5 Google tested this on the 1900 Dollar Razer Fold and it's still doing it. So this is just a full blown Motorola issue issue. And the way just seems so sketchy. It apparently brings you to some website that's based off of some like, like fashion influencer. Except that website itself doesn't actually when you go to that fashion influencer she doesn't link it anywhere. So it looks like this almost like fake like URL developed to create this, this redirect that's doing it. So it seems super hacky. Almost like somebody at Motorola like pushed this somehow.

[David]

Well think about this.

[Andrew]

I hoped no one would notice.

[David]

Every single blog on the planet eventually moved towards affiliate being like the, their primary source of revenue. Right. So if you can run multiple companies just off of affiliate revenue, just off of like reviews and stuff, of course these companies are going to be like, wait, we could just make an entire company's worth of revenue if we just do this.

[Andrew]

Imagine the affiliate link for every single time someone purchases something on Amazon. On your.

[David]

Every single time.

[Andrew]

I want to know what that number is based on this.

[David]

So high.

[Andrew]

This is so weird.

[David]

Sorry. Amazon should be suing Motorola.

[Andrew]

Honestly, something like that.

[David]

Because they're not actually being an affiliate. They're not actually pushing people towards that purchase.

[Marques]

Is that going to be. Their argument is like, well, we preloaded the Amazon app, so you're welcome. So now here's how it's taking our.

[Guest]

Definitely paid a fee for that already.

[Marques]

Yeah. That's why I usually think this also

[Andrew]

doesn't feel like something Motorola like would want to do. It's so. It's like not that obvious, but it's also so obvious that something is going on here.

[David]

It seems like something they'd want to

[Adam]

do on the scale of company like Motorola. I don't know how much is worth it. It sounds to me like this is like a weird. I feel like have we confirmed they're making money off of this? Or is it like no one's confirmed

[Andrew]

because they don't know it's confirmed that it's like an Amazon affiliate, Some random

[Marques]

intern just like inject.

[Andrew]

That's what I think.

[Marques]

Yeah, that would be insane.

[David]

That'd be crazy.

[Andrew]

Would not that. If this is patched by the time the episode comes out because of how obvious and like stupid it is. But I am dying to know what the number is that that link is connected to because that's so many.

[Adam]

Because that to me makes. Well, it doesn't make sense, but the business logic from Motorola side. I would want to know how many times people are clicking that Amazon app so that I know how much to charge Amazon. So I don't know if it's like a tracker thing or if it's like they're actually injecting an affiliate code to make money.

[Andrew]

It's also. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's. It's a number though, in that that probably would be too small for Motorola to risk the giant blowback of this, but is a big enough number to where like, maybe you'd be okay getting fired.

[David]

And they sell. They sell a lot of phones. Motorola sells a lot of phones. So if you make. Anytime anyone makes a purchase on Amazon, you make money from that. That adds up very quickly.

[Marques]

They sell a lot of phones outside

[David]

the US Especially in, like, South America.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. It's crazy interesting.

[Andrew]

This is.

[Marques]

I hope we find out. I hope we find out. It's just a tracker to, like, keep track of how many clicks and it's not actually literally hijacking affiliate links.

[Andrew]

But, yeah, if you look at, like, the URL it goes to and stuff, it just all is so weird. I almost feel like it has to be some sort of rogue Motorola employee or something doing something.

[Adam]

I just hope it goes away immediately, just like this next thing we're about to talk about.

[David]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'll let you shut your mouth, okay? Have you guys ever lived in 1980? No, actually, 1970?

[Marques]

No, I have not.

[Andrew]

I might be the closest.

[David]

Neither have I. But something happened in 1970 that was pretty cool. And it was called the Disco. So Spotify recently updated their app icon. It was a temporary. It's. It is a temporary app icon update to basically celebrate one of their anniversaries. They updated the icon to be a disco ball because Spotify is already a circle. So they updated it to be a disco ball, which is cool. I think it was cute and fun and pretty, and the Internet got very, very angry about it, which is ridiculous, because. Do you guys hate fun? Do you guys just hate. I don't understand.

[Adam]

Don't change my icon on my phone.

[Marques]

Yeah, give me.

[David]

Change the icons on my phone.

[Marques]

Give me the option.

[David]

Oh, come on.

[Marques]

But.

[David]

Oh, come on. It's a pretty big change. It is a disco ball.

[Marques]

I'm waiting for it to change back. I'm kind of tired of it.

[Adam]

I glue it.

[David]

Yeah, disco balls are, like, one of the most. They're one of the most universally loved on Android.

[Marques]

Is it disco balls?

[David]

Yeah, disco balls.

[Marques]

But disco ball icons, I don't know.

[David]

I mean, that's a disco ball. Well, anyway, yeah, Spotify changed the logo to be disco ball. The primary reason that people are mad was because it was too dark of an icon, I guess. And a lot of people were making the critique that if you just brightened it or made it more vibrant, it would look a lot better.

[Marques]

You know, like a disco ball ball.

[David]

Well, disco balls are not. Yeah, I guess they're kind of bright by default. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The point is, there was a Twitter user, Race Johnson, who made a tweet entitled it Discomorphism. And in the tweet, he took four different app icons and he turned them into discothemed icons. So he did YouTube, Claude Notion, and this one app that I don't know what it is. Is maybe you guys know what that is?

[Marques]

Probably AI or something.

[David]

And he made. I don't think this is AI. I think he actually did this legit. For real? For real. On God. And it looks pretty good. It looks very fun. And he did that. And then Samir Samat, the president of the Android ecosystem, quote, tweeted it and said, should we make this an icon pack? I responded to Samir and said, please, Samir, do it for me. He said, we will weigh this heavily to me. And then four days later he tweeted, your wishes are command. Disco icons are now available on Pixel as of today. Are you sure you still want this? David and Race Johnson.

[Adam]

My God, I'm glad he asked for clarification because he's like, this is a terrible idea. Are you sure you still want this?

[Marques]

Here's a screenshot. Do you feel bad?

[David]

Do you really want this? I still want this. So now if you have a Pixel phone, phone you there. I don't know if it's technically an icon pack or if it's like a theme. Someone was saying that it's like not the same as like a traditional icon pack, but all the Google icons and like various different app icons now have disco themed icons, which looks very cool, very fun. I will say a lot of these are a little rough around the edges and kind of seem AI generated.

[Andrew]

They're definitely AI generated.

[Marques]

Yeah. That's the beauty of Android is you're allowed to ruin your phone.

[David]

Yeah, exactly.

[Marques]

You can just ruin your home screen however you want.

[David]

And we've had that conversation before. Like when Apple introduced like in iOS 18 when they made it. So it was like insanely ugly because everything was like the same color and gross and weird. Like, you have the option to ruin your phone, but this definitely feels AI generated because if you look at the individual disco tiles, some of them sort of like morph into each other and kind of like, it's like kind of sloppy Gemini. Regardless, we got discomorphism. So that this has now been coined. It's a Race Johnson coinage. And I was just happy to be part of it, even though I did nothing.

[Marques]

Do you want this on your legacy, though?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

You do?

[David]

Yeah. I think this would be a great part of my legacy. I didn't really do anything to be clear. It's all Race Johnson.

[Marques]

I was just like, you're part of this.

[David]

I mean, I'm part of it. Sure.

[Marques]

This is.

[David]

And Samir did it for me in particular.

[Marques]

This could be the. The Luce of Your design portfolio.

[David]

That's fine with me. I would rather be known as the guy who made the disco icons happen on Android versus the guy that designed the luche.

[Andrew]

No, no, no, no. David. Yes, yes, yes. Alice.

[David]

Yes, absolutely. Am I wrong? Do you disagree?

[Marques]

No. That's a good take, actually.

[David]

Thank you.

[Marques]

I just don't think these icons look good at all. You don't think they look good, do you?

[Andrew]

How do I do? I was trying to put them on, just making sure.

[David]

I don't think they look good, but I still.

[Marques]

But you should be allowed to do it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Especially on Android.

[Marques]

That's cool.

[Andrew]

Yeah, you should.

[David]

You know, we live in America.

[Marques]

Okay.

[David]

All right. That's that. We got the discomorphism. Next week is going to be a big week because it's the last week before dub dub, so we'll probably have some predictions, stuff like that. We're going to be a big Apple week next week, but until then, we got a bunch of trivia questions. Not about dub Dub. So roll that trivia sound, my friends.

[Marques]

I might need a marker.

[David]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adam, what happened? What was the results of last week's poll?

[Andrew]

You don't want to know.

[Adam]

I don't know how to quantify all of this.

[Marques]

I have an idea. Ask Gemini based on the comments what it thinks we should do.

[Adam]

You think I didn't try that?

[David]

Okay. What it is.

[Marques]

The studio system should have, like, a video assistant.

[Adam]

Okay, wait, let me try it right now, live.

[David]

All right, try it.

[Marques]

Based on the comments of this video, how should we adjust the scoreboard?

[David]

So for those who were not listening last week or didn't finish the full episode or have not heard last week's episode, There were two questions last week. One of them had to do with Sony Xperia phones. I put Sony. Andrew put Xperia. There was a debate.

[Andrew]

I did not bring this argument back up.

[David]

There was a debate whether or not I should get the point or if Andrew should get the point or she both get the point. One of. And then Marquez misheard. Well, he didn't miss here. Adam said the word wrong.

[Marques]

And then I fully got.

[David]

But it didn't seem that wrong. Yeah, yeah, but he got it wrong. And so people.

[Marques]

Yeah, I answered his question right.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, so that was. That's fair. Which one of these is not an app? And then he said it incorrectly. Therefore, the thing he said out loud

[Marques]

was not an app correctly identified.

[David]

Adam basically told the audience, sorry, Google.

[Guest]

Gemini was like, you need to fix the chapters.

[David]

No, guys, we do this every week.

[Andrew]

We Fix.

[David]

We add chapters every week. Can you tell gemini to tell YouTube to fix the chapters?

[Marques]

Dude, I've told you two to fix the chapters.

[David]

Gemini is just trained on the most common things that people say, so I guess that makes sense.

[Marques]

That was really funny.

[Guest]

All right, well, while Adam determines this,

[David]

I'm going to do the trivia.

[Guest]

Is that a good idea, Adam? Do I have your blessing?

[David]

Go for it.

[Guest]

All right. Blessing received.

[David]

Blessed.

[Guest]

Question number one, Y' all like the

[David]

Pope with the Ferrari.

[Guest]

Question number one. In late in the early 2010, so early, it was literally 2010, Motorola released a phone that had an IP67 rating. All over the Internet, people were leaving this phone in glasses of water and going, wow. Still works.

[Marques]

Wow.

[David]

Really?

[Guest]

What phone is it?

[Andrew]

Sorry?

[Guest]

What phone is it?

[David]

I didn't reverb near as much as I thought it would.

[Guest]

What phone is it?

[David]

There you go. This is so wrong.

[Marques]

Yeah, I don't think I even have a guess.

[David]

I'm just.

[Marques]

Yeah, I'm just reminiscing on old Motorola.

[David]

Yeah, me too.

[Andrew]

I'm not. I just wrote.

[David]

She just wrote Moto.

[Andrew]

Well, I didn't make it that far.

[Marques]

We both. I wrote Motorola Atrix.

[David]

I wrote Motorola Atrix.

[Andrew]

I wrote Moto. It would be really Moto. Right?

[Marques]

Though the Atrix is the one. I know.

[Andrew]

I just said the company. I actually didn't think about that.

[David]

Sony only makes one line of phones right now. The experience. Motorola makes multiple phones. There's no G, emoji, stylus.

[Guest]

The razor.

[Marques]

The razor.

[Guest]

Guys, the correct answer was the Motorola Defy.

[David]

I've never heard D, E, F, Y. Actually, I have heard it after that.

[Adam]

Okay, okay. Gemini has an answer.

[David]

Okay.

[Adam]

It's a good answer too.

[David]

Okay.

[Adam]

And it is an answer.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Adam]

But first I want to point out that last week my question was which of the following is not a real Google project? I intended the answer to be Angle. I was trying to be cute play off of Angular, which is a real thing. Multiple people in the comments also pointed out that Angle is a real project.

[David]

Of course it is.

[Andrew]

Whoa. So Marcus Weirley is actually the only one correct.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

It's also a real prime project, an open source project. But either way, Gemini said based on the audience feedback for Google IE Colon.

[Marques]

Oops.

[Adam]

All Gemini, the consensus is clear. Andrew deserves the point for the first trivia question. Marquez deserves a point for the second. So sorry, Dave.

[Marques]

AI slob. AI slob.

[David]

AI sloB.

[Adam]

Hallucinations and plus one.

[Andrew]

At this point, I have to agree with Marques getting the point because of the fact that we probably shouldn't have gotten the point for it.

[David]

My favorite comment was, I think David should get the point.

[Andrew]

Just because I saw one that said Andrew should get two and David should get one.

[David]

Or just for the hell of it. Just for the hell of it.

[Adam]

Just for the chaos. All right, next question. Whatever the first wrist based Fitbit was called. What?

[David]

I had something in my head.

[Andrew]

Head.

[Marques]

Did you know Atrix put it on the board?

[David]

I don't remember what it is.

[Adam]

Also, was the Motorola Atrix the first one that had the fingerprint sensor on the back?

[David]

Yeah. Damn, that was a good. And there was A. Yeah, 4G.

[Adam]

It had the dock, too.

[David]

Wait, hold on, hold on.

[Adam]

Yeah, the dock.

[David]

I wanted to make that. Oh, my God, that phone. So bad. Sure. Ah. I had something in my head earlier,

[Marques]

but I completely forgot.

[Adam]

All right, well, what you got? Flip it and read.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Marques]

I. I just guessed. Fitbit1.

[Adam]

Too logical. Too.

[Marques]

Sorry.

[Andrew]

I just wrote Fibot, which is actually typo. We made in the.

[David]

The main.

[Andrew]

It's one of those, like, letters that's like four. People watch that video and none of us caught it.

[David]

Yeah, like I wrote Arya. But it's like all.

[Andrew]

It's just Fitbit isn't.

[Adam]

Is the Fitbit flex. That was the first.

[David]

You don't flex your wrist.

[Andrew]

No, but it's. Because it was like that rubber.

[David]

Is that considered flexing?

[Andrew]

Actually, it's like literally the only thing your wrist does pretty much is flex.

[David]

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[Andrew]

Flex and rotate.

[David]

All right.

[Marques]

Good name. Get that flex, huh? Well, we learned something. That is good. I am glad that I got a point from last week. That feels really good.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Feel free to let us know now that you've made it this far into the video. Would you think the Luce isn't as bad if it wasn't a $600,000 Ferrari?

[Adam]

What if it was a Nissan?

[Marques]

What if it was.

[David]

What if it was literally. Looks like a Nissan to me.

[Marques]

What if it was literally a Nissan?

[David]

Then I would say that's a Nissan. Yeah.

[Marques]

Would we even be talking about it? Probably not.

[Andrew]

No.

[Marques]

Anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Go back, watch last bonus episode, but also stay tuned for more of our regularly scheduled programming. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace.

[Andrew]

Waveform is produced by Adam Molina, Ellis River Partner with Vox Media Podcast Network and Trouble Music was created by Vane. Still.

[David]

Bingo.

[Andrew]

Let's go.

[Adam]

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