How Much Will the iPhone Fold Cost?

Summary

Waveform Podcast – "How Much Will the iPhone Fold Cost?"

Date: January 30, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Ellis Roven, Mariah Zank
Theme: The evolving landscape of tech—from weather YouTube and the nature of creator economics, to hot Apple and Samsung hardware debates, and ending with a lively tech game session.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a whirlwind tour through the recent blizzard of tech news and internet culture. The crew opens with a deep dive into the "Weather YouTube" phenomenon, draws analogies with tech coverage, and explores recent big headlines: Samsung’s $2,899 Trifold, the acquisition deal for TikTok star Khaby Lame, and Apple’s new AirTag. The second half is equally vibrant, with discussions on the future pricing and form factors for the iPhone Fold, industry speculation (like touchscreen MacBooks), Samsung's S26 privacy display, and U.S. TikTok’s rocky handover. The episode ends with a heated, hilarious tech word game.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Weather YouTube Is the Tech YouTube of Meteorology

[01:10–12:27]

• Discussion: Ellis spotlights the unique subculture of "Weather YouTube," drawing strong parallels to “Tech YouTube.”

• Details:

  • Storms and blizzards now serve as the genre’s equivalent of a big product launch.
  • Big creators vs. small up-and-comers: Larger channels “feast” on big events, smaller ones seek a unique angle.
  • Sensationalism was rampant, whether from independent creators or traditional outlets like weather.com.
  • Quote: "There's a bunch of the big channels... they are feasting. They are putting out two videos a day, talking about the different models..." – Ellis Roven [03:45]

• Timestamps:

  • [03:45] – Weather coverage dynamics
  • [07:13] – “Traditional media also sensationalizes things.” – Marques Brownlee

• Notable moment: Mariah mentions her weather app turning "blood red" to dramatize the coming storm. [09:17]

• User experience debate: Default weather apps are generally less accurate but more attractive; Carrot Weather is praised for its data reliability and design.

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2. The Khaby Lame $900 Million (or Not) Headline

[12:31–20:01]

• Discussion: Viral TikTok creator Khaby Lame "sells" his likeness in a $900M deal, raising eyebrows about actual value and creator economics.
  • Despite the headline, the amount is equity in a company (Rich Sparkle Holdings) rather than cash.
  • Plan: Monetize Lame’s cloned likeness in AI—projected up to $4 billion annual turnover.
  • Skepticism all around: “This just seems insane… I lean towards somebody got scammed somewhere or is going to.” – Ellis [16:18]
  • Comparison to streaming contracts and their headline figures vs real payouts.
• Notable quotes:
  • “Numbers are made up.” – Marques Brownlee [18:13]
  • “I want to pay to see their pitch deck for this.” – David Imel [17:12]
• Insight: Shortform video monetization still not substantial; AIs managing creator likenesses could be a risky bet.

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3. Rant Mode: Platform Frustrations & BBK Mystery

[20:11–26:41]

• Hot takes include:
  • Google Image search and download limitations ("keeping you on platform").
  • The BBK Electronics restructuring—a longtime Chinese phone conglomerate quietly dissolved years ago.
  • Quote: “I feel really stupid. What exactly? We should have known.” – Marques [25:18]
  • Comparison to other companies’ convoluted ownership structures (Hasselblad/DJI, Google/Alphabet).

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4. Apple’s Week of Small Updates: AirTag 2nd Gen & Final Cut Pro [26:43–33:59]

• AirTag 2nd Gen
  • Slightly longer finding range, louder speaker, new chime pitch (“...from an F to a G… more piercing.” – Ellis [30:57])
  • Humorously hyped as “the news of the year” in tongue-in-cheek fashion.
• Final Cut Pro & Creator Studio
  • App icons go “bold and indiscernible” to encourage color-based recognition.
  • Quote: “You just associate a color with the app now.” – Ellis [28:14]
  • Apple’s ecosystem changes and maintaining feature sets for legacy app buyers appreciated.

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5. Samsung Trifold and the Folding iPhone Price Speculation

[43:04–55:12]

• Samsung Trifold U.S. price: $2,899. Available only direct from Samsung.
  • "A thousand dollars a side." – Marques [43:17]
  • Intended for a niche audience wanting a phone-tablet hybrid (not two separate devices).
• Apple’s Folding iPhone?
  • Now likely to be priced above $2,000 (“My guess is $2,199” – Marques [46:12]).
  • Debated: Will it support iPad apps or just a “bigger iPhone” experience?
  • Quote: “There’s gotta be something, some reason that you get the foldable. Like something that you can do on the foldable that you can’t do on the regular iPhone.” – Ellis [51:54]
  • iPad Mini size as reference point; speculation on unified OS (merged iOS/iPadOS) dismissed, fluid experience likely prioritized.

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6. Touchscreen MacBooks & Form Factor Evolution

[54:06–56:58]

• Nostalgia vs. practicality for touchscreen laptops.
• Marques: “In Photoshop, being able to turn things, rotate things, zoom in... it's very helpful...”
• OLED, anti-glare, and whether Apple will charge a premium for touch.

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7. Samsung S26: Hardware-level Privacy Display [57:12–63:40]

• New “privacy mode” display feature: specific screen regions become unreadable from side angles (“shoulder surfing”).
• Compared to privacy screen protectors, Cadillac’s in-car passenger screens, and smart glass tinting.
• Quote: “They need to do what the Nintendo 3DS did where it tracks your eyes.” – Marques [59:23]
• Discussion of routine/automation integration, costs, and potential repair headaches.

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8. U.S. TikTok Takeover Goes Off the Rails – and Where To Go Instead

[63:40–70:41]

• Oracle and U.S. investor takeover leads to tech outages and “banned word” fiasco.
• “...the crazy combination of stupidity and malice is just making this whole thing really bad.” – Marques [69:00]
• New algorithm? Nobody knows if it's ByteDance’s secret sauce or an “Americanized” version.
• Fledgling platforms (Upscrolled, Skylight), and frustrations with lack of progress in decentralized social networks (Threads, Bluesky/Fediverse).
• Real-world impact: Ellis notes a TikTok got only 1/50th its normal views post-takeover.

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9. Trivia & Wavelengths Game: Tech Words, Product Names, and More

[70:41–end]

• Tech-centered “Wavelengths” Game
  • Team rounds connecting clues to numbers along creative scales: "Glad it’s dead" to "wish it was back," "never heard of (CEO)" to "household name," "not throwable" to "super throwable," etc.
  • Issues of reading partner’s mind, tech history knowledge, and layered in-jokes (e.g., “LG G5” as a clue; “backyard baseball” in video game round).
  • Standout gameplay banter and competitive energy—lots of playful trolling.
• Trivia Highlights:
  • Longest English word using only Apple chip letters (winner: “untrust”).
  • Samsung SE130LC2 revealed as an excavator—confirms Samsung makes everything.
  • Quote: “You know, you could argue that a lawnmower excavates grass from the lawn.” – Marques [117:42]

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• On Weather YouTube:
  • “It is a microcosm… There’s the big channels… then there are the smaller channels, then the traditional ones… it mirrors tech YouTube in every way.” – Ellis Roven [03:45–05:59]
• On Khaby Lame's AI Destiny:
  • “If they successfully generate $4 billion a year from authorizing the use of one person’s face ID, voice ID and behavioral models… I’ll give them all the props...” – Ellis [17:09]
• On Platform Lock-in:
  • “[Google] intentionally did not let you get rid of that widget on Android for a very long time.” – Marques [23:31]
• On Apple Updates:
  • “They didn’t change the price. They give us all of this for the same price.” – Ellis [31:43] (re: AirTag 2nd gen)
• On Samsung Trifold’s Price:
  • “You have to be in the small, very picky group who really wants this phone to spend that much on it.” – Ellis [44:36]
• On the TikTok/Oracle Handover:
  • “...there’s a lot of conspiracy theories, like buzzing up that they already changed the algorithm, they're already suppressing your speech. And like, while I think this is probably incompetence, I also think they won't not suppress your speech." – Marques [65:53]

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Episode Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------|------------------| | Weather YouTube & Tech Parallels | 01:10–12:27 | | Khaby Lame Acquisition Rant | 12:31–20:01 | | Google, BBK, Platform Rants | 20:11–26:41 | | Apple’s “Small Update” Week | 26:43–33:59 | | Samsung Trifold / Folding iPhone | 43:04–55:12 | | Touchscreen MacBooks & OS | 54:06–56:58 | | Samsung S26 Privacy Display | 57:12–63:40 | | TikTok U.S. Takeover Fallout | 63:40–70:41 | | Tech Word Game / Trivia | 70:41–end |

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Tone

The episode is fast, friendly, deeply nerdy, and generous with sarcasm. The crew mixes tech expertise, media criticism, and pure comedic banter. Each host's personality shines, and the group's chemistry is at its peak—mocking bland product launches, questioning corporate logic, and stumping each other in word games.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed It

• Great for catching up on flagship device news: The Samsung Trifold price shock and what it means for Apple’s folding iPhone.
• Creator economy insights: Realism about shortform content, AI creator clones, and what’s hype/vs real value.
• App and platform skepticism: Firsthand rants about UX, monetization, and why you can no longer download images with a tap.
• Lively, relatable tech banter: From weather apps to why nobody trusts TikTok post-takeover.
• Fun for trivia/game lovers: The team’s banter and geeky knowledge shine during the competitive word games.

Episode summary prepared in original language/tone of the hosts, complete with timestamps, highlight quotes, and engaging breakdown!

Transcript

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[Marques Brownlee]

You could make me do anything for $900 million.

[David Imel]

I would do anything for $975 million.

[Ellis Roven]

Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[David Imel]

I'm Andrew.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I'm David.

[Ellis Roven]

And it's January still, but that doesn't mean there's no news. There is some tech stuff happening today. We've got a huge Apple announcement to talk about. Samsung Trifold's price got unveiled and we have some thoughts. We also had a US TikTok get off to a rough start and we're gonna wrap it up with a fun game.

[David Imel]

But first, which one do you want to do first? Actually hear this?

[Ellis Roven]

Do you want to hear me rant about Kaby Lame getting acquired?

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Ellis Roven]

Or weather YouTube.

[David Imel]

I want weather the genre.

[Ellis Roven]

Weather YouTube.

[Marques Brownlee]

Weather YouTube.

[Mariah Zank]

What?

[David Imel]

Weather YouTube.

[Ellis Roven]

The genre that is weather YouTube.

[David Imel]

Oh, I want weather YouTube.

[Ellis Roven]

I have takes. Okay, let's talk about whether YouTube. I think basically my take on weather YouTube as now I'm hearing what you're. I think to yourself, I think that weather YouTube is tech YouTube. It is such a perfect. I mean there's lots of.

[Andrew]

Wait, can you explain.

[David Imel]

Yeah, wait, I want.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Weather YouTube. So as you may or may not have heard, we live in the Northeast U.S. and there's been a bunch of storms here recently. Blizzards, in fact, snowstorms, which get really, really hype on social media. And if you engage with enough of these posts, your whole feed just becomes consumed with weather posts.

[Andrew]

How would you know this, Marques?

[Ellis Roven]

Well, because I am one of Those

[David Imel]

people, the last episode we recorded, if Marques wasn't talking, he was looking at weather stuff on Twitter, probably.

[Ellis Roven]

It was actually insane. And so basically what happens is this, like this winter storm Fern, for example, that we just had was this super bowl event where I got to witness all of the parts of weather, YouTube, whether social media, meteorologists, I'll put it that way on social media. And it is. There are so many parallels with tech, YouTube. I'm sure this is true about lots of other genres, but here's how it goes, right? There's a bunch of the big channels, right? They are feasting. They are putting out two videos a day, talking about the different models and the different projections and how much snow you're gonna get. And if you watch these videos, they're like 10 minutes long, they're all neatly formatted and. And then they just go through and they're like, if you live in Wichita, if you live in Ohio Valley, if you live in Northeast I95 corridor, they name every single city as fast as they can so that people who are watching feel like they're a part of it. They're really good at this. They go over the map, they go over the projections, how much snow you could or could not get. And since it was a big storm, people were watching these videos for updates on the models to see how much snow they were about to get. And it was a lot. That's just like a Samsung event, an Apple event, where it's the super bowl for that genre. They all descend upon the place, they all talk about it, everyone's thinking about, maybe I should get this one, maybe I shouldn't. And the big players are all doing their thing like they always do and talking about it. Then there are the, like, smaller, newer or lesser known channels that are all doing the same thing. But because there are smaller channels, they need to find angles to be unique in their coverage of the storm. Even though they're all covering the same storm, you will hear them say things like, oh, you know this, I'm going to be more responsible than the big channels and tell you like, you're probably not going to get that much snow. And they like to talk about something that they found that's not in the other channel's coverage because they need an angle in that way, in the same way that we see the same thing when we make a video about like a big phone and then a week later there's a bunch of coverage about, yeah, but the big guys don't tell you these things. And then you get the same sort of Stuff in Tech YouTube really quick.

[David Imel]

I like, auto started my car the other day and when my phone's not plugged in, it defaults to the radio. And as I sit in my car, it's just the radio host talking to their local radio meteorologist. And she's like, so what's the deal with this storm? Everyone's talking about it. And the meteorologist goes like, you got to be careful with social media hype and online. Everyone wants to like scare you and scare tactics and that's going to be huge. And like, you know, they're just doing it all for a bunch of views and stuff. And like us meteorologists, we know what's going on. And she's like, oh, so what can we really expect? It's good to know that he's like, it's going to be a lot. We're going to be. And just like immediately says everything. All the social media people are. And I was like, there was no point of this story at all.

[Ellis Roven]

It is. The microcosm is so real. There's Also on Weather YouTube, there's the traditional channels, there's the weather.coms and the AccuWeathers and the NBC News Weather Report on YouTube where they will talk about it as well, but they'll give like a much more high level, less nuanced, less personal version of it and then just kind of move on. Yeah, kind of like you might expect to see a Wall Street Journal video or a CNN video about the new phone, which is not bad. That's just a different style. And that's the same thing that happens on weather YouTube. And then it all came together for me with this next storm because as you may or may not have heard, we're expecting another winter event.

[Marques Brownlee]

My car is already based in ice. I cannot get it out.

[Adam Alina]

This can't do this again.

[Ellis Roven]

There are a lot of people in that position right now and are thinking a lot about, gosh, if we get more snow, this could be really, really bad. This new storm is the perfect litmus test for where you are on the spectrum of weather YouTube, because the storm, according to current models we're recording this on Wednesday, is not expected to be a big storm. It's going to be a high drop in pressure off of the coast and it will probably snow in some amount in like the Virginia and Carolina area. Wow.

[Andrew]

Maybe big weather tell you to say that.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, this is just like what we see see from the models because that's all we have. This is what meteorologists do. They read and adjust the models and report on what they see. And if you go to weather.com in all caps at the top of the site, it's like bomb cyclone. This is a major weather event. Stay with us. You need to know the updates. If you read the map or any of the data, it's way offshore and we might get a little bit. And the tiny, tiny probability that the storm actually does like slam into New York City and cause major problems is small. But if you only pay attention to the clickbaity ones, you would think this is gonna be a huge storm.

[Marques Brownlee]

So what you're saying is traditional media also sensationalizes things.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes, very much. And I'm watching the weather youtubers still this week and they are saying a lot of they're using the words like this could be a major event. This might be, but it seems like it's probably not going to be. And now I'm watching them all report on the same data, the same models, just like we all report on the same tec, but have very different angles on it. It's fascinating to watch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting. Yeah.

[David Imel]

I have one question, maybe two questions.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

First of all, being a weather YouTuber must be exhausting because one you like. We have our events that happen at the same time every year. They basically are like sitting there hoping for a catastrophic event.

[Ellis Roven]

It's interesting.

[David Imel]

Like that's got to be painful to have to do all the time.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

And it's also, it unfolds very differently. Like a tech event, a launch event is like an hour or two on stage and then like the big frenzy of covering what happened on stage. A weather event is like a slow system that moves across the country where people want updates as it's going for days in a row at a time. They're putting out two videos a day for five days straight and live streaming for the entire working day and making videos while they're live stream. It's insane there. It does seem exhausting. But they are trying to get keep people informed. That's the angle. Keep as many people informed as possible.

[Mariah Zank]

Yeah, they do have their busy season because we also have like monsoon season, like hurricane season, winter. My question for you was, does anyone use the weather app ON Android or iOS?

[David Imel]

Like just the regular weather app?

[Mariah Zank]

Like weather.com?

[Marques Brownlee]

no app.

[Ellis Roven]

This has become my.

[David Imel]

Wait, well, this is basically my next question. So you've segued into perfect. You're using the like default Android.

[Mariah Zank]

No, no, like the weather channel.

[Ellis Roven]

Like weather.com. yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no. The UX is Horrible on those websites. I've not really found one that's good. Like all the dedicated apps or just like even the built in app is a much better ux. Well, I don't know if the data is less accurate.

[David Imel]

That's the, that's what I want to yell about for a minute. What do you want to.

[Mariah Zank]

Oh, I just wanted to ask, did anyone else's weather channel app turned blood red this week? Because as soon as I came home from work the other day before the storm, everything, all the text and UI turn and it was like, it's coming, it's happening.

[David Imel]

What the hell?

[Ellis Roven]

Please come back to this app over.

[Mariah Zank]

Drama alert. It's like, please keep checking the app.

[Ellis Roven]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[David Imel]

That's awesome.

[Ellis Roven]

That's crazy.

[David Imel]

No, mine was going to be about. I use the default Pixel Weather app and it looks beautiful.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

But I'm just sitting here. I think it was like Friday night I looked at what our snow accumulation was supposed to be on Sunday when it was hit and said 15 inches. It's like, that's a lot of snow. Then Saturday it just decides to go to like 1 inch. And then Sunday morning there's already 3 inches of snow outside and it's like you're gonna get like 1 inch today. And then we got the like 15 it originally said, which is awful. And then I'm like, I must be just maybe reading this at the wrong times. But then Ben on 9 to 5 Google wrote something about how he tested all like 7 different apps and the Google Weather app was like just nowhere near what any of the other ones were and really so bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Does it say where it gets its data from?

[David Imel]

Because I think, I'm sure somewhere that

[Marques Brownlee]

Apple One says it gets it from like AccuWeather Dark Sky.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay. Yeah. So this is my, this is what I've observed over the years and I think the weather app ecosystem is super precarious for some reason. Most weather apps are super ugly. I've fully on board.

[David Imel]

I was on Weather Underground and it's horrible.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, most like 95% of them and trust me, there's a lot of them are super, super ugly. There's a couple really pretty ones. Usually they're the stock apps like the Google Weather app and the Apple Weather app are like really nice looking. Yeah. The Frog and the Goog unfortunately are not pulling the best data and I don't know why that's such a hard thing for them to do. Because the one app that I trust that I think both looks good and lets you pick between good accurate data sources is carrot weather. It's only on iPhone, unfortunately. But I use AccuWeather data in Carat weather and it's very accurate and works really well. And I can switch between sources and check if there's like discrepancies among the models, which is a very nerdy thing to do but you can, if there's a big storm coming, see what's on, going, what's happening there. And yeah, you. I was finding that the Apple weather app was saying that we're going to get it was telling me at my house it would be like 15 to 18 inches of snow and then I was checking carrot weather and it was consistent. It was like you're going to get 7 inches on Saturday or on Sunday and like 3 inches on Monday and that's exactly how much we got. And I was, I was impressed but not shocked that the pretty weather apps were not the most accurate. Sadly.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's usually how it is.

[David Imel]

I just want, yeah, I want recommendations for an Android weather app that works. I swear every time I'm like, oh, I think, oh, Claire, the weather's going to be this this weekend. She's like, that's not what mine says. And hers is always right and I'm always wrong no matter what.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, it's tough. I've tried Overcast. I haven't been in that app in a little while so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it is good looking.

[Marques Brownlee]

Maybe you should just make one, Andrew.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I'll just vibe code one up right here.

[Marques Brownlee]

You could do it according to Twitter. You can do it in an hour.

[David Imel]

I'm sure Twitter thinks true.

[Ellis Roven]

So anyway, that's my take on meteorology. YouTube in January 2026.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[Ellis Roven]

For those who are wondering.

[Marques Brownlee]

I like that.

[Andrew]

Okay, now give me the other take.

[Ellis Roven]

The other take.

[Andrew]

The one I've been waiting for.

[Ellis Roven]

The other take. So there's also a headline this week that you might have seen that the, you've probably seen him, the TikTok. I think he's the most followed Tiktoker now of all time. Khaby Lame, right? He doesn't talk. So his videos are extremely universal. Anyone who speaks any language can watch them. Physical comedy, he does this, he does the pointing and the shrugging and all that. Right. There is a headline this week that essentially he'd sold his company for $900 million more than Juan Soto. That's a lot.

[David Imel]

That's more than.

[Ellis Roven]

That is a lot of money. You look into it, you dig deeper you read the articles. It's more that he sold his image and likeness rights and the company that manages that stuff for $900 million of value. It's not a cash. It's not like he's getting paid $900 million. But he now has partial ownership of the company that manages all of those rights. And that ownership is worth somehow $900 million.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, so his partial ownership, they're valuing at 900 million?

[Ellis Roven]

It seems like it.

[Marques Brownlee]

That doesn't seem, it seems insane.

[David Imel]

Correct. Are they going to ipo Kabe?

[Ellis Roven]

Well, that's the question. Okay, so my take is. That seems ridiculous, which is not even that hot of a take. But the secondary take is maybe he kind of got played or scammed a little bit. If that's how this is going to go, here's why I'll say that we know that Shortform does not monetize super well. He starts on TikTok, he has an incredible following, obviously, but still, I think lifetime earnings are somewhere in the tens of millions of dollars. Right. He has a YouTube channel, he's got social media presence everywhere. He'll do the Google Pixel event. So we've seen him around doing stuff, but short form, the content itself doesn't monetize super well. So the article says that they're going to manage his, his image rights. They're going to essentially have the right to clone him in AI and like have him do a whole bunch of things endlessly online, which I worry about. That seems insane. But the fatigue may or may not play in. They, they, they plan, they say in the articles to make $400 million per year from his image and likeness.

[Marques Brownlee]

That seems incorrect.

[David Imel]

Well, it's like one of those things where you, I don't know him too well, but you. He doesn't talk. Right. And he just does a lot of gestures. That seems like something really easy to AI generate. Yeah, but the last thing I would want is a bunch of like, we've worked with different agencies and stuff and we say no to so many. Imagine if our. An agency just had a program and they could just say yes to literally every deal that comes in and just throw it in the AI generator. And I could see them making a ton of money off that until everyone's exhausted of it because it gets pumped out.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

5,000 times. Makes $400 million one year.

[Ellis Roven]

And I also.

[David Imel]

Nobody ever wants to see it.

[Ellis Roven]

I misquoted.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

The press release says annual live commerce sales could reach $4.

[David Imel]

Okay. I don't believe that.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, it says it. It says $4 billion. Yes. He has hundreds of millions of followers annual.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, this is incorrect.

[David Imel]

We're allowed to say anything.

[Marques Brownlee]

How many companies make 4 billion a year?

[Mariah Zank]

Did you see the company name? It sounds fake. Rich Sparkle Holdings.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, Rich Sparkle.

[Ellis Roven]

It's just an insane press release and I'm. I want to give them benefit of the doubt, but like, the more I read about it, they're giving him, you know, all these shares in Rich Sparkle holdings that they're saying are going to be worth $975 million because they plan on monetizing his likeness and making $4 billion a year. Something ridiculous like that. That just none of it adds up.

[David Imel]

It's.

[Ellis Roven]

And I don't know what to make of it. And I lean towards somebody got scammed somewhere or is going to.

[David Imel]

I feel like both of them probably got scammed. But part of it, I think this number is for the headline. I think. Sure. I'm pretty sure. I'm not 100. Maybe somebody can correct me, but when Kick was first launching and signing a bunch of people, we were seeing all these like X streamer signs. Gigantic multi million dollar deal. But it was similar of the fact of like, well, here's like 500,000 and here's shares and ownership stake with this evaluation, blah, blah, blah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Which makes this big old number for a headline. And then who knows if they ever make it that far.

[Ellis Roven]

If they successfully generate $4 billion a year from authorizing the use of one person's face id, voice ID and behavioral models for the AI digital twin development.

[David Imel]

I want.

[Ellis Roven]

They say I will give them all

[David Imel]

the props I would pay to see their like pitch deck for this.

[Ellis Roven]

Would you pay $4 billion?

[David Imel]

Oh, that's. That might be the only way they make $4 billion.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm googling companies that make $4 billion a year. Let's see if I can find a Intel.

[Marques Brownlee]

Intel, not intel, which is the 51st highest revenue by profit or by revenue in the United States or actually in the world. Makes 3.4 billion. So they're saying that he makes more

[Ellis Roven]

profit than Makes is about to make with his sweet new deal.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, more profit than one of the Fortune 51 or whatever. Wait, and are they Fortune 551?

[David Imel]

This is all fake. So I don't know why I'm still asking questions about it, but I don't know. Oh, wait, wait. His is 900 million, but they're saying they're gonna make 400 billion.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes.

[David Imel]

Okay, sorry, 4 billion.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, let's be realistic.

[Marques Brownlee]

Difference. Look Elon's almost a trillionaire.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Numbers are made up.

[Ellis Roven]

Crazy. I, I am all for rooting for creators, obviously. The creator economy is super new and

[Marques Brownlee]

in your bag, King. Yeah, it's a.

[Ellis Roven]

It's very difficult to value these things, but this just seems insane. So I saw the headline and I saw a lot of people echoing the headline and I'm like, I don't know, he's.

[David Imel]

Yeah, he's got to be one of those guys that, like, you realize is doing kind of. I don't know why I'm going to compare him to Daft Punk. But like, you get super famous for doing a bunch of really well timed shrugs and he like, clearly that sounds dumb, but he's what?

[Marques Brownlee]

Daft Punk.

[David Imel]

He grew crazy. But like, Daft Punk are super famous, but they have helmets so they get to go out in public later. Like, there are types of celebrity that you just kind of sometimes. So being able to be the guy who's just like really funny, making gestures is awesome because it's not that much effort when you're physically on the video and there's no language barrier. Like, what a smart move.

[Ellis Roven]

It's essentially the most successful react channel of all time.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Einstein Bros are coming after him on TikTok though, so. Is that what their name.

[Ellis Roven]

He's expanded though, so.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I don't remember what the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Fine Bros. Fine Bros. That was the throwboat react. Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. He starts on TikTok, he's got hundreds of millions of followers. He also, like we've seen, has branched out and done short form YouTube. He's done Instagram, he's done events, obviously.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Google thinks he's well known and trustworthy enough to be involved with the Pixel presentation. That's a revenue stream in some way,

[Marques Brownlee]

so at least they're not worried about him saying anything controversial.

[David Imel]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ellis Roven]

So actually I remember being backstage with him before he went on stage and he didn't say a word. We're very on brand. He's on Brand. Yeah. So anyway, it is, it is a confusing headline and I have, I have nothing but confusing thoughts on it.

[David Imel]

I mean, I'm sure he's going to make a ton of money no matter what, so. Yeah, you'll be good. Wait, can I, can I have another? If we're in rant mood right now.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, send it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll figure out something to rant about.

[David Imel]

Okay. This is something that has been happening to me on my phone and I can't tell if it's recent or if it's always Been like that. But I think it's a recent change.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[David Imel]

Okay. So I've realized in the last month or so, if you're using the search Google search widget on Pixel, you're gonna try it on your OnePlus and I want to just get a picture of something because I love finding pictures and putting it in like Slack or text message. So I'm just gonna search Disc Golf. Then you go to Google Images. At this point, any of these images I click. I can't just download the photo. You hold onto it. Right. I have the chance to save to collection share, which lets me copy a link to a Google Photos, like link or Google Images link. And then I have all my apps that normally like can share in. And then other than that, it's search with image, Google Lens, or report Even now they have all these overlay things that I used to just take screenshots.

[Marques Brownlee]

But if you tap it, don't they go away?

[David Imel]

Nope.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[David Imel]

So can I not just download a picture in the Google search bar anymore? This is it going to yours.

[Ellis Roven]

It's gone in forever.

[David Imel]

It used to be there, right? You have to go into a browser. Google Google images and you can download from a browser, but I can't from and shit. If it's so stupid.

[Marques Brownlee]

They want everyone to stay in the Google app. So when you send them the link, it just opens the Google app.

[Mariah Zank]

Yeah, I mean the download feature has been buried for a while. Like it used to be layers deep, like multiple clicks. And I would usually take a screenshot because it was easier than trying to figure out how to download the image.

[David Imel]

We need to start a new segment. Just called and check it out. I hate you.

[Ellis Roven]

So I hit the button that said save to collections. I don't know.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Wait, where does it go?

[Ellis Roven]

I went into the settings and I found that. That there, if you scroll down enough is saves and collections, which apparently I have.

[Marques Brownlee]

They're trying to make the Google.

[Ellis Roven]

I bet you have a bunch of different collections.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm trying to make that an entire OS that you just like stay in forever.

[Ellis Roven]

I don't know. When I see the 5D Mark III or the Mac Pro, I don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably like 10 years ago.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay. And then can I download it? Is that.

[Marques Brownlee]

No.

[Ellis Roven]

Nope.

[David Imel]

You can't download it from your collection.

[Ellis Roven]

From my collection? Yeah. That's weird. That is weird.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's called keeping you on platform.

[David Imel]

Is that recent? You used to be able to download from that, Right?

[Mariah Zank]

I literally just downloaded a picture like

[Marques Brownlee]

the other day right from inside of the Google app?

[Ellis Roven]

I believe so. Yeah.

[Mariah Zank]

Like from, like using the search bar.

[Ellis Roven]

If I do this in Chrome, is

[David Imel]

that because that's how I search everything from the search bar? I think there might be a way to make it so the search bar always opens in a browser window.

[Andrew]

Yeah, there is. Not the default.

[David Imel]

It's not the default. So I haven't changed it since this new phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's what they do. They get enough people using it and addicted to it and then they make it worse.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but it's hard to get addicted to it when it sucks so bad in the first place.

[Marques Brownlee]

Always search things through it.

[David Imel]

Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay. You're saying I got addicted already Addicted. And then they're just like slowly destroying it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Some engineer at Google was like, we can keep time in app up.

[David Imel]

My thought was the opposite of we're at Google, we're focused so much on other things that we keep forgetting about all the basic functions of our apps and breaking them in the process.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know. They intentionally did not let you get rid of that widget on Android for a very long time. People were very annoyed at that for a very long.

[Andrew]

I don't think the typical rules about Google management apply to search. Yeah, they are very.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's their haunt.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but how many teams inside of search are. I'm saying less of, more just this. The team that makes the download feature just forgot about it or got moved somewhere else. Download a room full of spiderwebs right now.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, there's a reason. Like in the Reddit app, when you take a screenshot, it's my favorite. Hey, do you want to just share. Share sheet. Open a Reddit link. Open a Reddit. Like, yeah, they're doing the same thing.

[Ellis Roven]

Like Spotify.

[Marques Brownlee]

Practically what it is.

[Ellis Roven]

Spotify is wrapped. When you try to take a screenshot of it, it's like.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like that's.

[Ellis Roven]

Use the built in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, please.

[David Imel]

It's just guaranteeing that at least half the people never click that link, though. Because even if any of you were to send me a Tweet or a TikTok, if the preview of it doesn't show up, that I kind of know what's going to be in that link. I'm sorry, I'm not clicking the link.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true for you. But I think that normal people probably, they. They don't want to keep searching through. How can I download this? How can I download this? Like, if it pops up and it's like, share this link. They're like, okay, definitely.

[David Imel]

Well, what I'm saying is on the receiving end, if I just get a no context text that just says share.photos.google/for like 10 characters.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

And no preview of what I'm not probably downloading.

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably delete system 32.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, I'm about that Screenshot life, I think. Yeah, I would just Screenshot.

[Marques Brownlee]

People are very nervous about. About scams now. I understand.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

That is a good rant, Andrew.

[Andrew]

David, what's your rant?

[Ellis Roven]

I don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

I didn't really come up with one. What about rant about the air tag drumming ranch?

[David Imel]

Wait, can we rant. Can we rant about how somehow none of us knew that BBK disbanded three years ago?

[Ellis Roven]

Yes. How.

[Marques Brownlee]

How were we unaware of this? I feel really stupid.

[Ellis Roven]

What exactly?

[David Imel]

We should have known. It didn't change. We mentioned OnePlus, but when that. That shout out to whoever. There's like one person on Reddit, one person on our comments that posted it. And I read it, I was like, no, that guy's just wrong. There's like, no way. And then I read it. It was like three years ago. I was like, wow.

[Ellis Roven]

So now it's just Oppo and Vevo and those still have sub brands called OnePlus and Realme, etc.

[Marques Brownlee]

For people that don't know, there was a umbrella brand around Oppo, OnePlus and Vivo called BBK Electronics for a very long time. Apparently three years ago, it disbanded. I did not know this. None of us knew this. I don't know why we didn't know this. Some random Redditor did know this and told us we were wrong.

[David Imel]

I think those two are still probably under some sort of conglomerate or whatever.

[Marques Brownlee]

Almost definitely. When they do these reorganizations, it's really just for optics. Like there are things happening. Like it's. It's sort of like how OnePlus for a very long time was like, we're not part of. We're not part of Oppo. We're not part of Oppo, we're a sister. Or how Hasselblad tries to really, really, really, really hard to pretend they're not owned by dji. And then when you send your Hasselblad in for repair, it goes to the DJI facility.

[Ellis Roven]

Or how when Google was like, we are actually part of Alphabet now. And you're like, what's Alphabet? And you're like, google.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

That is true. It's all naming. It's all naming. Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Shout out to you for Shout out

[Marques Brownlee]

to the guy at us because you were this. Okay, a story, big news. Apple, you know, often has one of those weeks where it just releases a ton of press releases, one per day. It's a big week. It's huge. Usually big products, you know, new MacBook, new iPad. This week we got another airtag that looks the same. It's just updated.

[Ellis Roven]

It doesn't look the same.

[Andrew]

Can I yell about this one?

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Ellis Roven]

It does not look the same.

[David Imel]

Wait, what's this?

[Marques Brownlee]

The Texas capital, man.

[David Imel]

Texas capital.

[Andrew]

I just want to yell real quick because when we were planning our schedule for last week had like fully top of mind. Apple has something happening Monday morning. There's a meeting on Marques's calendar.

[Marques Brownlee]

We don't know what it is.

[Andrew]

And then we all hit you up after, like, okay, Marques, what happened? As you were on your way into the office and you were like, new airtags. And I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

[Ellis Roven]

I.

[David Imel]

But like you were saying, they usually do around this time. Like a week of updates.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

So I was like, airtag Monday, perfect start. It's usually something small.

[Marques Brownlee]

They did apparently update Final Cut Pro today. Oh, with like three new features.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. All the. The Creator Studio stuff is out now.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

And all the updates to things like Final Cut and Pages and Motion and all that, they're all out. Final Cut has a couple new features,

[Marques Brownlee]

like a terrible new logo.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, there's the logo for the Creator Studio version, which is horrible, which is purple.

[David Imel]

We didn't talk about that the one time. The Creator Studio logos to talk about this.

[Marques Brownlee]

When we talked about Creator Studio, all of the icons are like indiscernible. They're just like bold colors with like a few lines.

[Ellis Roven]

It's interesting because I kind of think that might work. You just associate a color with the app now, like Final Cuts, the purple one. In the same way that like, you know, word, Excel and PowerPoint are their certain colors. Like Excel is the green one. I just.

[Andrew]

Same thing with Adobe Photoshop is blue.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, just click it. You know, that's what they were thinking.

[Marques Brownlee]

I might have given Apple the benefit of the doubt with Liquid Glass, but considering they've just been proven to be wrong now, I don't know if I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt with this one.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

One, I finally updated my Mac and I actually really like Liquid Glass on it. Well, I hate to say that out

[Ellis Roven]

loud on a desktop.

[David Imel]

On the desktop. I can't imagine it on a phone, but I'm correct in Saying that Creator Studio is all the new logos, but old are still all the old logos. So you technically could have two different Final Cut logos on your computer.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes.

[David Imel]

That's.

[Ellis Roven]

It would be silly of you to buy. Yes. But yes.

[David Imel]

I guess you can only ever have the purple ones if you have all of them, so it makes no sense not to have.

[Andrew]

Which one would it.

[David Imel]

All of them match.

[Ellis Roven]

You open which color? If I have Final Cut, because I already bought Legacy Final Cut, I have the old Final Cut logo, and I spent $400 on it, there's no reason for me to also buy the new thing, but if I ever do, then I also have final cut Pro4. I forget the exact name, but I literally have a purple Final Cut for Creator Studio. Yeah. Studio Edition or whatever.

[Andrew]

And then if you, like, do Spotlight Search and open up Final Cut, which one opens?

[Ellis Roven]

They'll show both. You got to pick the one that you want.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, that's the same. It's the same with, like, Lightroom and Lightroom Classic. It's very annoying.

[Ellis Roven]

I know.

[Andrew]

And it's annoying.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's annoying. Yeah. Did they. So the features that they added today, were those only to the Creator Studio version.

[Ellis Roven]

Everything okay? Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because I know they're doing that for, like, numbers and pages for some reason.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Everybody uses.

[Ellis Roven]

The way it was framed to me was the productivity apps do have the split between the AI content and the creative stuff. And the traditional version, the creative apps, the final cuts and motions and stuff are the same with either version.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting.

[Ellis Roven]

And if you want to get the bundle, obviously you get everything. But, like, why would you get Final Cut and not want all the stuff? So, thankfully, this is to Apple's credit. If I spent the $400 or whatever it was 10, 15 years ago on Final Cut Pro, I'm still getting all of the features. Right. So that's good.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's good.

[Andrew]

What if you spent the $29 on an AirTag?

[Ellis Roven]

Well, then you're getting a new speaker, baby. A brand new. Can I play the sound for you guys?

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

What does it used to be in C and now it's in G or something?

[Ellis Roven]

I'll break it down for you.

[David Imel]

Charlie Booth here.

[Ellis Roven]

The new second generation airt, a slightly longer precision finding range, slightly better Bluetooth chip. Yeah. And it's now a 1.8 decibel louder speaker, I believe. And it changed the note from an F to a G to a G. Observe.

[Marques Brownlee]

You have both. You recorded both. That's the old one, correct? Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Which is nothing like this new one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Mmm, that is bad.

[David Imel]

That is higher.

[Ellis Roven]

A little more piercing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Your dogs are gonna freak the hell out.

[Ellis Roven]

I know you guys are gonna say, ooh, innovation is dead. This is the same thing, but like, this is so much better. This is more piercing. It's going to carry further. It's gonna be able. You can find this further away. The louder. This is why it's the news of the year, honestly, to me, yeah, I know we were thinking OLED, MacBook Pro and like them killing the folding iPhone, but this, this is what we were waiting for.

[Andrew]

Totally worth a meeting.

[Ellis Roven]

They didn't change the price. They give us all of this for the same price.

[David Imel]

When I'm stealing people's purses now and I steal a purse that has capital letters on their attack, I'm like, give it right back. You're going to find me way too fast. Lowercase. All mine. New one.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh my God, yes, I want that F sharp.

[David Imel]

Follow.

[Adam Alina]

I thought you were going to say

[Marques Brownlee]

if you stole it and it was the old one, you're like, ah, you must be poor. You didn't buy.

[David Imel]

Oh, no.

[Marques Brownlee]

So why would I steal your purse anyway, you know? Yeah, it's, it's a huge change. You know, you can find it up to 50% further away. That's the difference between being able to find someone inside a movie theater and outside a movie theater.

[David Imel]

You know, maybe sometimes I wish Apple did video events for all their products because I would love to see how much they hype this up on stage.

[Ellis Roven]

I feel like audio listeners think I'm serious because you see my face and it's. I just want to be clear. All this is sarcasm, but it is. This is the, this is the press release from Apple. This is the new thing.

[David Imel]

I can't believe you didn't get anything else.

[Andrew]

I'm waiting for a card shaped one.

[Ellis Roven]

That's what I was used to do it. That's what I was saying. Like Ridge has made a card shaped one and everybody else is making different shaped ones for different places. Like the card one on the wallet is the obvious thing and they just made a new airtag with like slightly better specs or whatever. Honestly. But why are they not trying anything? Like airtags clearly are working well enough for them to continue to update it. Why not expand a little bit, make it flat. Make it flat.

[Mariah Zank]

I want it small.

[Ellis Roven]

But yeah, until then you'll have to go to Ridge for that.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess kind of crazy. Like if, if you go to the Apple website, it's nowhere on the front page. You have to go to the accessory section.

[Andrew]

Is that crazy? I mean, crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know.

[David Imel]

I feel like I kind of actually think it is. I think airtags are insanely popular.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Of Apple.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. But there's a. So there are a lot of people who will just buy the new thing.

[Ellis Roven]

Wait, this is kind of a bar.

[David Imel]

What was lost is now sound.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, they always have good taglines. That's kind of air taglines. Yeah. I don't know. It just says new. Yeah. You are able to now find it with your Apple Watch precision finding thing on the Apple Watch Series 9 and later and Apple Watch Ultra 2 and later. So you know your wrist can vibrate when you get close to something.

[David Imel]

Oh, it's like hot and cold.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hotter, colder. Find my friends.

[David Imel]

Anyway, just at the bar and like the crowd and you're. Yeah, got him.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the. The. I will say the. The wallet tag would have been a good idea for them. I don't know why they haven't done that yet.

[David Imel]

Oh, I know. Because you just use the Magsafe wallet. So it's always on your phone anyway, so you would never lose it.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's.

[Ellis Roven]

What if it. What if the magnet pops it off

[Andrew]

the Magsafe wallet also? Well, the new ones also have fine my. The new Magsafe wallets.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[David Imel]

The wallet itself has the wallet itself. So that means they've created something that can. In that form factor already.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I wondered that too.

[Marques Brownlee]

Are you sure it's not just that when it's on your phone, it tracks

[David Imel]

its Bluetooth location and that like when

[Marques Brownlee]

it disconnects and when it disconnects, it shows. The last nomad had sent us their trackable wallets. I think they were the first ones to do the find my wallet cards. Not wallets, wallet cards. And I tried to charge mine a couple of days ago and it just. It's not.

[Ellis Roven]

It's got to get. The Ridge.

[Marques Brownlee]

One does not charge.

[Ellis Roven]

The Ridge. One's way better.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think all of these are quite fickle.

[Andrew]

Wow, Marques, how much did they pay you to say that?

[Ellis Roven]

I'm shilling.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, let me shill me shilling.

[Ellis Roven]

Peace.

[David Imel]

Just big hashtag.

[Ellis Roven]

It does wireless charge.

[Marques Brownlee]

So, yeah, they all. They're all like Magsafe, where it's charging. But like the. I don't know. I imagine the. They break pretty easily. Like all of them because they're so thin.

[Andrew]

I don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Who knows? You can get this if you want.

[Ellis Roven]

No, literally goes in your wallet next to your Whatever other cards you Have. And it's just like, if you ever leave your wallet behind, you'll just know that you can find it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's. Except there was, like, this whole era where all wallets were advertised as RFID blocking. My wallet is RFID blocking. And so is rfid, though.

[Ellis Roven]

Block all the.

[Marques Brownlee]

All radio frequencies.

[Ellis Roven]

Radio frequency, infrared. So what is rfid?

[Marques Brownlee]

Radio Frequency Identification.

[Ellis Roven]

Infrared. Rfid.

[David Imel]

Radio Frequency Identification.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

All radio frequencies. All of them. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Whoa. It was so people couldn't just walk by you and scan your. That's why they added the chip.

[Ellis Roven]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because everybody had the. The stripe on the. On their credit card. And people were just like, stealing their credit card information. So they made all these RFID blocking wallets. And I have a really old wallet because, like, what do you need to replace your wallet? Unless it literally explodes and. Yeah, yeah. Now it's hard to find my wallet. Got it.

[Ellis Roven]

Got it.

[David Imel]

So.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, it does have a speaker in it, so if you ever do need to chime.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but it has to send the signal to the thing to chime the speaker.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, now that these credit cards have a chip, you don't need RFID wallets anymore, I guess so.

[Ellis Roven]

Sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is not financial advice.

[Ellis Roven]

Anyway, that's our rant for the first part of the pod.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's our rant episode. Make sure to find your friends air tags inside or outside of movie theaters.

[Ellis Roven]

And if you ever hear that new chime, you know it's going down.

[Andrew]

Also, quick update. It does only know the last location after it separates from your phone.

[David Imel]

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's just the phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Okay, that makes sense.

[Andrew]

Cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, we'll take a quick break. We're going to talk about the trifold again. For real? For real. This time on God. And then we are going to talk about Tik Tok being state sponsored media.

[Andrew]

But first.

[Marques Brownlee]

But first, trivia.

[Andrew]

Oh, wait. Also, before we continue, Mariah's here.

[David Imel]

True. Hello, Mariah. She spoke. Oh, yeah.

[Mariah Zank]

We always been known to speak.

[Marques Brownlee]

Unlike some people who make $900 million.

[Mariah Zank]

Take that. All right, I'm gonna apologize in advance. I'm not gonna lie. So this is an Ellis question, and this is gonna require some brain. Big brain energy. Okay, I'm gonna read this out to you, and then I can help explain it. Ellis's question for you is. Well, I guess it's less of a question.

[David Imel]

It's not even a question. He literally was just telling us something.

[Mariah Zank]

He literally gave you a task. Okay, so he said, whoever can spell the Longest word using only letters that are also names of Apple silicon chips gets the points. So we have the M series chip. We have like an R series T. So I'll give you all of the chip series letters and then you.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it only uses those letters?

[Mariah Zank]

Yeah. So I have like an anagram generator and I have to see who can spell the longest word using only the chips. This is his evil thing he wants

[David Imel]

to do to you.

[Mariah Zank]

Not my choice. So if you want to jot these down.

[Marques Brownlee]

A, A. Yep.

[Mariah Zank]

M, M, R, S, T, C, U, W, N. Wow, that is.

[David Imel]

I knew four of those, I would have been screwed.

[Marques Brownlee]

That almost spells Amsterdam. Very close. Like, if I squinted, it would look like it said Amsterdam.

[Mariah Zank]

Yeah, it's the same. Anyway, so this is gonna take some brain juice, so we can revisit this later. And I don't know what you're gonna spell with this.

[David Imel]

Are we allowed to use proper nouns? Why?

[Marques Brownlee]

Dictionary words.

[Mariah Zank]

Let me check the list.

[Ellis Roven]

You're gonna put someone's name. It's gotta be Scrabble, Valley, Macron.

[Mariah Zank]

Honestly, whoever gets the coolest answer, I'll give you the point. Ellis isn't here. I can do what I want.

[Ellis Roven]

We will think about that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sure.

[Mariah Zank]

I'm so sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a lot of work. Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

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[Marques Brownlee]

that, which is not that far off.

[Ellis Roven]

Right? Because like a flagship's 1000 and then like a folding flagship is like 2000 1800, 2000ish. So the US price for the Trifold is $2899 and it's available only from Samsung. It's not going to be in carrier stores or anything like that. You just got to go to samsung.com or get it straight from the US Samsung store.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, $966 per fold at three flagships.

[Ellis Roven]

Here's the thing, I really like this phone, but as many people have pointed out, there are so many things you can get for $2,899. And I will push back on the people saying you could just get a phone and a tablet. Well, duh. That's the point. The Trifold is for the people who don't want two devices. They want it all in one device. So I'm seeing that and I think it's a very usable phone with just the one. I don't use it as often as a two, but then wide open with three. It's an awesome tablet. I've really liked two. You can't even use it.

[David Imel]

I think you can't even use it as a two.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, I thought this one used to the Huawei. You can use this too. It gets kind of mad and then you fold it wide open and it's the three and it's like this is the greatest thing ever invented. But $2,899 is a lot of money. Obviously for tax you got to ship it. Would you get a trifold for $2,899? No.

[Marques Brownlee]

No.

[Ellis Roven]

You have to be in the small, very picky group who really wants this phone to spend that much on it. I do think the price is kind of an intentional barrier and it got a lot of people also thinking about how much is the iPhone fold going to cost? Because it's not going to be a Trifold, it's just going to be a regular fold competing against all the other fifteen to nineteen hundred dollar Folds. Are they going to price it over all of those or right in the middle?

[David Imel]

I'm interested, but I don't think this has any context or is relevant to what the iPhone fold is going to cost. Such a different phone in every aspect.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the iPhone fold is going to be more similar to the original pixel fold, like shorter passport sty. There is a strong rumor that Samsung is actually working on a competitor fold that is shorter to compete more directly

[Ellis Roven]

with the Samsung thing ever. And they're going to come out before

[Marques Brownlee]

probably, which would mean Samsung would have like four foldable phones, which is almost as many phones as their regular phone.

[David Imel]

They're literally like the leader in folding phones. And then Apple still makes the first one and they still copy copy.

[Ellis Roven]

That's kind of. It would be the same thing as when they made the Galaxy. They announced the galaxy S25 edge before the iPhone air.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, because they knew it was coming.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, they knew it was coming and they got ahead of it and made the thing. And I could see them also doing that and beating the iPhone fold to this form factor. True, it is interesting. I just think it's relevant because this is a real phone that Samsung is gonna sell. It's like raised the ceiling for a price that you can pay on a phone. And before this, if you asked me what might Apple charge for their fold, I would have said probably right around 1899, 1999. But now that this exists, I feel like it's going to be over 2000.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I said my guess is 2199.

[Andrew]

Really?

[Ellis Roven]

That seems very possible.

[David Imel]

That, that seems possible.

[Andrew]

The trifold to me is more in line with when Apple sold the Vision Pro. It's like they don't expect people to buy it. So I feel like when Apple releases the fold, they're actually, they're actually going to want people to buy it. So I don't know if it's going to be as high priced.

[David Imel]

I bet the margins on the tri folds are not great and I bet they don't want to sell a whole ton of them. They want to be seen as leaders in the space and like generate the hype. This is probably selling more regular folds just because people are like, wow, that's crazy. But it is pretty cool. I'm just gonna buy the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Do you guys think that the iPhone fold is gonna be able to run iPad apps?

[Ellis Roven]

That is a whole nother question. Is it gonna run iOS or iPad OS? Like, how innovative is Apple gonna get with the fold? I think. God, wow.

[Andrew]

Do I think or what? Do I want.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, I definitely want IPADOs when it's unfolded, I want all of the things. But it's only gonna be, we're thinking like an 8 inch screen, like an iPad mini size. I guess that's fine.

[Marques Brownlee]

What is the size of the iPad mini screen?

[Ellis Roven]

7 and change.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it'll be bigger.

[Ellis Roven]

Roughly the same.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well then they can run iPad OS.

[Ellis Roven]

They can run iPad OS. But then the thing is, when you close it, does it switch OS's? No way. It's gotta be the same.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like, isn't IPADOs just iOS but with some tweaks.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, but all the window management stuff that's going on, all of the multitasking stuff, I don't picture them allowing you to use that on the smaller folded closed screen. Definitely not. Okay, so how do you manage that?

[Andrew]

It's separate.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You know how like on the fold, you can have like your home screen layout on the front separate than the inside.

[Ellis Roven]

I don't like it.

[Marques Brownlee]

You've got the taskbar on right now. When you open the foldable phone, you've got like the little taskbar on the bottom. That's not when you close it.

[Ellis Roven]

That's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

So they could do that.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. So a couple. So that's kind of like managed like you open the phone. Because I really like the pixel fold thing where it was all continuity, all the time. Your home screen setup. When you change it on the close screen, when you open it, that would just be your two screens, the way you set them up on the closed screen. And then any app that you'd used on the closed screen, you open it up, it would continue using it on the. It would just go back and forth. Everything would stay on. I liked that. I wonder if that's how Apple would do it.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, they should just make a merged os. They can call it the same thing forever. They could just call it OS X. You know, like X. It's a perfect name to be used forever for all of their.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, I have terrible news.

[Andrew]

Nice try. I forgot that's kind of the direction that Google is going with an Android. With the pixel stuff though. It's like the front screen and the inside screen are just one continuous like operating system thing. I think that plays in their favor because there aren't a lot of Android tablet apps. Apple does not have that problem. Apple has a lot of iPad apps. So they could just separate the two completely and have the front screen do iPhone, middle or inside screen do iPad. I'm completely just coming out of My ass here.

[Ellis Roven]

So there's so many questions that I have because of that. Like if I have an app installed that's an iPad app and I open it with the screen open, obviously it opens the iPad version. If I close it and have the smaller screen. Is that gone? Yeah, it's just like it's gone.

[Andrew]

Well, using an iPhone now, so it

[David Imel]

just feels like I think at two different devices.

[Ellis Roven]

Exactly. I don't think they want. I think they want it to feel as fluid as possible. Like all the, all the early folds. I think the idea was you would expand your screen. Like you go from having one screen, you're texting somebody, I gotta flip to the big screen. You open it now it's texting on the big screen and it feels continuous. And that was like.

[Andrew]

But you could still do that particular thing with iPhone and ipados. You know, like some of the apps are going to be continuous. But I think in general they want it to be. And this is again me just completely theorizing. I think they want it to be two different experiences. You use the iPhone part of it and then when you want to do something a little bit more powerful that requires an iPad app, you open it up.

[David Imel]

I don't think they like that in one singular device, different experiences. I don't think they're gonna. The more you talk about this, the more I think there's no shot they do it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Multiple experiences in one device. It's a phone, it's an ipod, it's a communication device. I thought they loved that. I thought they loved that.

[Ellis Roven]

I just think that. Well, I guess there's two things Apple sells to people who want that simplicity of experience. But also people buying a 2000 something dollar folding phone are not the usual iPhone customer. Maybe those people are cool with having a little more flu flexibility or customization.

[Marques Brownlee]

Flexibility.

[David Imel]

Cool. Like that.

[Ellis Roven]

Flexibility, yeah. So I don't know, I kind of lean towards Andrew. Like, I think they probably want it to be as simple and fluid as possible. Open, close, big, small. Like the same thing. Just big or small.

[Andrew]

That's the same as Android though. Like you're just doing what the fold already does. What the pixel fold already does. Yeah, I don't think Apple would do that personally.

[David Imel]

Well, yeah, because they just do the thing that Android does. But it's iOS.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but now they also have ipados. That's what I'm saying. Like Android doesn't have that to fall back on.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think that Apple generally does a good job of knowing what to do with the new stuff. Like Android and all the Android manufacturers tend to give you stuff before they know what to do with it. Although Apple did not do that with the Vision Pro. But with a lot of their stuff, you know, they wait longer but then when they actually ship it, they're like, look at all these useful things you can do that we like tested and deployed and they all work with your current ecosystem and whatever. I feel like they're probably going to have special use cases for the foldable phone. Cause otherwise, I don't know. Most iPhone users that I talk to are like, I don't care about foldable phone. Why would I want a foldable phone?

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, there's gotta be something, some reason that you get the foldable. Like something that you can do on the foldable that you can't do on the regular iPhone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Bigger screen is one thing, obviously, but I want something that there can be a commercial about or some use case or demo of. Like, that's why I want the phone.

[Andrew]

Like ipados apps.

[David Imel]

You want Final Cut Pro on that inside screen.

[Ellis Roven]

That's what I want. Someone's gonna do that. Someone's gonna do that. Amen. Yeah. Wait, literally Final Cut Pro for iPad. So can you. Jesus.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's what I said.

[David Imel]

Well, that's immediately what I thought. That's what I said.

[Mariah Zank]

We can't.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is touch oriented. It's touch first.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. It's Final cut for iPad now. I'm just saying. Damn.

[Mariah Zank]

We should edit the main channel video

[Marques Brownlee]

with your finger on an 8 inch screen. Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Now that I'm picturing Final Cut Pro in my pocket, I don't think. I don't want it anymore. I don't think that's a good idea. Yeah.

[Andrew]

I just don't see them releasing this product and being like it's the same thing that's already out. Just iPhone now.

[David Imel]

Oh, I. That's exactly how I see them.

[Andrew]

Really?

[David Imel]

Oh yeah. Well, they don't say that. They go all day battery life.

[Ellis Roven]

Although when the iPad first came out, it was just iPhone but bigger.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Like literally.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was horrible.

[Ellis Roven]

It was literally just iPhone but bigger.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, same with it.

[David Imel]

Now it's computer but smaller, I feel like.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Cause it's evolved a lot.

[Ellis Roven]

It went from like, why are these icons so far apart? Why does this look like my. And you open an iPhone app and it would just go. It would be a huge version of it. And they've evolved much since then, but now they could be in a similar spot where they don't exactly know which direction to go. Do they lean more computer. Do they lean more simplicity? What if we just give them iPhone, but bigger and then see what people start doing with it and asking for and then go from there.

[Marques Brownlee]

For a very long time, they were very focused on selling you three separate devices. And now there's the rumors of the MacBook with the touch screen coming out.

[Ellis Roven]

Crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

And also the iPad. They have actually souped up to be, like, a workable computer. Now with iPadOS, whatever it is, 26,

[Andrew]

I'm just picturing, like, Venn diagrams slowly coming across the screen.

[David Imel]

Slowly merging.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Do you want the phone that's also an iPad, the iPad that's also a laptop, or the laptop that's also a phone?

[David Imel]

What's the trivia question the other day? Pad phone or phone pad?

[Ellis Roven]

It does make sense. Vision Pro is all the things ish.

[Marques Brownlee]

Strapped to your face. Strapped to your face. £5.

[Ellis Roven]

I have a question for you guys.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

Do you want a touchscreen MacBook Pro?

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Ellis Roven]

You're using MacBook Pro. You do want a touchscreen.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I like. I like touchscreen laptops, weirdly.

[Ellis Roven]

Mariah, you have a MacBook Pro.

[Mariah Zank]

I think it's fun.

[Ellis Roven]

Touchscreen is fun.

[Mariah Zank]

I used to have, like, a Dell XPS that was, like, the 4K touchscreen, and it was just. I, like, would never practically use it, but I think it's a novelty.

[David Imel]

I don't know how much extra I would pay for it, but there are times, like, literally sitting in the pod here where I'd like to just, like, take my finger and scroll on the outline.

[Andrew]

That's the thing. I think people think completely, like, oh, I'm just gonna be using it as a tablet and just tapping the screen and seeing it wobble and. Yeah, it's not for that. It's just for, like, three times. You're sitting on the couch, and you just want to scroll with your thumb really quickly.

[Marques Brownlee]

In Photoshop, being able to like, turn things, rotate things, zoom in. It's very helpful. I used to love that on my. I mean, it look. Pencil support. They should just do on the. On the trackpad. The trackpad's so massive, they can easily turn into a drawing tablet. They should have done that 10 years ago.

[Mariah Zank]

Are we just reverse engineering the two in one laptop or the laptop completely?

[David Imel]

How dare you?

[Andrew]

I think it's a full circle.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ellis Roven]

Nobody wants.

[David Imel]

Don't you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nobody wants that.

[Ellis Roven]

That was a weird era. And I. I do remember a lot of those things.

[Marques Brownlee]

Novo yoga.

[Mariah Zank]

My mom still has one. They do the job.

[Marques Brownlee]

All of my bitcoin that I, that I mined in 2012 is on a Lenovo yoga book. 9i orange clementine or something's telling me

[Ellis Roven]

you have like 5,000 bitcoin on this

[David Imel]

back when it was worth 45 cents.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it was worth like a penny.

[Ellis Roven]

It was like very low, I guess. While we're on the topic, I am not sure that I want a touchscreen MacBook Pro. I've never really wanted to use the touchscreen on laptops I've had in the past that have touchscreens. It really is like the once in a while scroll or hit a button thing and I wouldn't pay extra for that. I would be very happy to not have that and save money.

[Marques Brownlee]

I already have to clean my MacBook display all the time. So yeah, I'm okay with.

[Andrew]

I just don't think it's that new technology that it would raise the price that much anymore. Like we've had these for a decade now. Like they could just do it and it'll be fine.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, I think isn't the rumor it's supposed to be like an OLED touchscreen. Like it's going to be a brand new display technology. This really, really cool display. And also it's the first and also

[David Imel]

it's Apple selling it. So they're gonna charge more for it.

[Mariah Zank]

Hell yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Come on.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

You think storage and RAM has cost that much to Apple? Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

If you look at the control center on Mac OS now, it looks like it's meant to be touched. It looks just like the iPad. So at this point it doesn't seem like they have that much work to do to get to a touchscreen laptop. I just don't love the wobble and the fingerprints and the weird inconsistent stuff going on. So I'm not thrilled about it. But I'll watch and learn and see if they, they have any features or interesting things I'm interested in. If they have a feeling, I have a feeling I'm just going to want the new OLED and I'm going to get it and then it happens to be a touchscreen and I'm probably not gonna.

[Marques Brownlee]

What if it's OLED plus anti glare?

[Ellis Roven]

I'm gonna be so happy.

[Marques Brownlee]

But please, it probably won't be.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Because isn't the anti glare. It's kind of really hard to clean. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, and it also like, it kind of cuts the light output.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Speaking of anti glare.

[David Imel]

Oh, okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, we were supposed that was supposed to be a Samsung trifold conversation but we got there. But yes, spe anti glare. We have some interesting galaxy x26 teaser information.

[Andrew]

X26?

[David Imel]

Yeah. S26s.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like, okay, s26 teaser. Apparently it's going to have a privacy display which will not just be a film that goes over your phone.

[Andrew]

That.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know how people have those, the screen protector things that they put on their phone and you try to read their phone over their shoulder on the subway and you're like, why can't I read their screen?

[Ellis Roven]

It looks like it's blank.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's annoying.

[Andrew]

I don't know.

[David Imel]

Excuse me, sir, could you tilt that a little? I'm trying to read your textbook.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dude, it's so fun.

[Mariah Zank]

What's wrong with you, bro? Don't read their stuff.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's so fun. Watching people.

[Ellis Roven]

It is sometimes hard to look away. Like someone will be like standing or sitting in front of you and you don't want to look, but it's just, they're just. It's right there.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Literally I'm just like cramped up and he's holding his phone like this and he's on Facebook dating and he's 65 years old.

[Mariah Zank]

Dude, mind your own business.

[Andrew]

I can't.

[David Imel]

It's in front of me.

[Andrew]

I was very against this feature until Justin.

[Ellis Roven]

So what's the feature? The feature. Some people have said that Samsung is going to be enabling a privacy mode feature where you get a new notification and it blacks out just the notification area from off axis viewing.

[David Imel]

So just to be clear, Samsung announced that they had a press release out with these kind of like teaser videos of like a person on a subway and it would, it would pop up and show like the, your password swipe and then it would turn it to the side and you couldn't see it. Or a pop up would come out on where you enter your password and then it would turn and you couldn't see just that.

[Andrew]

And then it just zooms in on

[Ellis Roven]

David's face looking disappointed.

[Marques Brownlee]

To be clear, because sarcasm does not go on the Internet. I only saw someone's dating app once and it was Facebook dating. It was very funny, but I don't generally look at people's phones.

[Ellis Roven]

But I have seen this, the privacy screen protector, many times. I've thought about getting them and then I put one on my phone and it just destroys the display quality and I look at it from 2 degrees off axis and it's starting to turn gray and I'm like, so I don't love them. This would be hardware level and software level built in.

[Marques Brownlee]

They need to do what the Nintendo 3DS did where it tracks your eyes. So if you're looking at your phone from the side, it still does not polarize it. That would be really helpful because I'm not always looking at my phone straight on. What if it's on the table and I want to look at the notifications?

[David Imel]

It's just black. Well, here's. It seems like it's customizable because they say this is from their press releases. A new layer of privacy to shield your phone from shoulder surfing wherever you go. So from David Amel, wherever you go. And then says multiple settings for adjusting visibility. You can limit what others can see based on the level of privacy protection you need. You can also choose to protect specific parts of your experience such as notification pop ups. It's tailor. It's a tailored approach that you can fine tune or switch off entirely rather than a blanket one. So if you're worried about that, you can have it turned off. I'm assuming it might be like a quick setting because that would be nice to be like, I'm at home. Don't do it. I'm on the bus. Quick setting.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. So David's standing behind me. Yeah, turn it on.

[David Imel]

My David airtag is going off.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm wondering how this works. I'm guessing that they have some sort of like polarization layer that they can turn on with like, like electricity or something. And it just does that area. Did they explain how it works?

[Ellis Roven]

No, but I have a guess.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it's similar. It's probably similar to the way that they work in like the really fancy hotels. How the, the showers can like turn black all of a sudden.

[David Imel]

Frosted. There was apparently something at MWC 2025 called Flex Magic Pixel OLED that some people are wondering if that's going to be the technology. But Samsung is not officially.

[Ellis Roven]

I'll do you one better. If you've seen the Escalade IQ or one of those new Cadillacs where there's a passenger screen but from the driver's seat. You can't see anything on the passenger screen because it's distracting. No, it's because it's polarized. It's black. It looks, but it's that big to

[David Imel]

you, so you're not like watching, but

[Ellis Roven]

you can turn that on and off.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

So if it's. It turns on when you're driving or when you're in the driver's seat or whatever and you can turn that display on and off, but you can turn the polarization on and off.

[Marques Brownlee]

What is that? Piezoelectric? Is that what they call that?

[Ellis Roven]

I think that's more the, like, tinting sunroofs are electrochromic or something like that.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's probably some sort of polarization through electric current.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Either way, the ability to turn it on and off built into the display.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

At like, a hardware level.

[Marques Brownlee]

Now getting display replacements for this phone are gonna be like, $400.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. So it's interesting because it seems like a really cool feature. And there's all these headlines in the past about, oh, wow. Looks like the S26 is gonna be basically the same as the S25 camera. Should be the same. Like, specs are just gonna bump up like usual. But this is a genuinely new and impressive feature. But it will also be more expensive to do this. And I wonder, like, what that does to the rest of the phone and also repair costs.

[Andrew]

I just want to be able to attach this to like, a Samsung routine or something so that it, like, automatically turns on when you're commuting.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm sure that it's off when you're home.

[Andrew]

I don't know. Because routines is like hit or miss with what it'll let you do.

[Ellis Roven]

That's true. I just recently was like, moving my fridge around in my garage and it's one of those Samsung fridges with screen on it. Because I didn't like it anymore. But I. Oh.

[David Imel]

I was like, why does your garage fridge.

[Ellis Roven]

It was the fridge that came with the house and I hated it and I moved it to the garage. And I still have this freezer where I keep my lunches and forget them every day. But it has like, the Samsung, like, smart things, Bixby, whatever. And it just turns on. It's like it basically only gets accidentally triggered. Like, I'll open the door and then like, the light blinds me. I'm like, why is the fridge have a light? But yeah, those. Those features hardly ever work. So it is a very. A valid assumption that this could also not quite work. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Question for you guys. Will the S26 series have Qi 2?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes. 100%.

[David Imel]

No. Cheetu ready.

[Marques Brownlee]

102%.

[Andrew]

So, like, you have a case and you slap it on.

[Ellis Roven]

Wait, really?

[David Imel]

Yeah. That's what I think is Qi 2

[Ellis Roven]

magnet in the phone.

[Andrew]

In the phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm saying it's going to have.

[Ellis Roven]

Have it like Pixel Snap and Magle

[Marques Brownlee]

added it last year.

[Ellis Roven]

So they.

[Marques Brownlee]

Samsung has to. They're competing with Google.

[Ellis Roven]

Really hope so.

[Marques Brownlee]

They're gonna.

[Ellis Roven]

It wouldn't Shock me if it was G2 ready.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm from the future and it has G2.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, God, I hope so.

[David Imel]

Please tell me it's brighter over there

[Marques Brownlee]

in the future.

[David Imel]

I got bad news for you. I got bad news. Speaking of bad news, the future has

[Marques Brownlee]

a privacy screen on it, Andrew. You can't see anything. Anyway, speaking of bad news. Wait, what is the next thing we're gonna talk about? Bad news. Oh, no, this is good news, my friend. This is very good news because everybody is leaving this. Okay, we gotta talk about TikTok again. We talked about TikTok multiple times last year because, you know, the. During the Biden administration, they. Congress passed an act that said they had to sell it or divest it. All this stuff. It got delayed, delayed, delayed, whoop dee doo delay. Okay, now we finally entered the darkness zone, which is the area where it did get divested to all Trump's friends, Oracle, and a bunch of other investors. So now 19.9% is still owned by ByteDance, 80.1 is owned by Silver Lake Oracle, MGX, Michael Dell's investment firm, and a bunch of individual investors. In the first couple of days of the changeover, there were some pretty massive loading issues. People are not able to load certain videos. If you published videos, it was showing zero views for a very long period of time. It was not great. Oracle has since come out and blamed that on a power issue. Sure.

[Ellis Roven]

It's coming full circle. There was a blizzard. I was watching Blizzard, YouTube.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh yeah?

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Power outages, you know.

[David Imel]

Is their data center in Texas? No idea. I don't know.

[Ellis Roven]

Probably.

[Marques Brownlee]

Also, people have been noticing a lot of banned words in the dms. This is kind of all over the place. The pop crave, I think did like a story on this that was like kind of true, but also kind of not true. But also it's affecting people differently. But if you say some individual words like test or epstein, it blocks your

[Andrew]

DMs, both of which failed for me when I tested it.

[David Imel]

Did you do just the singular word?

[Andrew]

I did just the singular word.

[David Imel]

So what was confusing is the Verge didn't know article testing it where a lot of singular words being sent in were not sending. But then I saw another test of someone else using some of those words in sentences and it also was saying something about community guidelines. So it's all so confusing and messed up and in the midst of this, like data center outage or whatever with the zero posts and it's been a rough start for us.

[Marques Brownlee]

TikTok, I'm just gonna say, like, there's a lot of conspiracy theories, like buzzing up that they already changed the algorithm, they're already suppressing your speech. And like, while I think this is probably incompetence, I also think they won't not suppress your speech. So you should probably just get off this platform.

[Andrew]

I had a question about this because wasn't the whole point of this about

[David Imel]

the algorithm was like to keep the algorithm.

[Andrew]

It is quite cold in here. So Mariah has bundled up accordingly. Yeah, yeah. Isn't this the same. Like, do. Do they have the algorithm yet? Have they taken that away from binary?

[Marques Brownlee]

They said that they. They have a modified algorithm. Yes.

[Andrew]

What does that mean?

[Marques Brownlee]

They don't know, dude. They don't.

[Ellis Roven]

They don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Rots your brain a little faster, a little bit differently.

[Ellis Roven]

It's like the Sprite from McDonald's versus regular Sprite.

[David Imel]

Well, we all know that's better.

[Ellis Roven]

His algorithm is a McDonald's sprite.

[Marques Brownlee]

So a lot of people are leaving the platform to go trying to move to this platform called upscrolled, which advertises itself as like being free of moderation. And when you go on upscrolled, you can see why there are a lot of photos that you don't want to see on there immediately. It kind of just looks like Instagram too. I don't really know why they're moving to this specific app when there are many other ones. I will say there's an app called Skylight that's on the A T protocol that bluesky also uses. If we're. Look, I'm against short form content in general, but if we are going to move to another short form content platform,

[Andrew]

we're going to Red Note, baby.

[David Imel]

Why don't they just go back to red?

[Ellis Roven]

I don't.

[Marques Brownlee]

They already have. They already have users on there. Maybe just try one that is can't be owned by billionaires. Maybe that'd be great.

[Andrew]

We tried this.

[Ellis Roven]

May I suggest YouTube?

[David Imel]

No. Billionaires there can't be owned by billionaires.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, YouTube does have a good track record. You know, if they would just pay people a little bit more for.

[Ellis Roven]

For shorts, that'd be great.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I mean, the incentives align with YouTube.

[Marques Brownlee]

So YouTube would be a better option. Thanks. Anyway, as you said on Slack the other day when this happened, a lot of people are just gonna go over to upscroll, see that it sucks, and then just go into Tik Tok's arms. They're going to do that. It's sad.

[David Imel]

I. I have one other thing about Tik Tok. There was like also a lot of posts, not just of words being blocked, but of like these policy changes and about the kind of your privacy and what you would have to, I guess, fill out. There's like immigration status and stuff on it.

[Andrew]

But that was there before.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was there before.

[David Imel]

Yeah. There's. Sarah Perez from TechCrunch did a really great article going over all the things that were there, weren't there. And also the super. One of the. It's very nuanced. One of the things was apparently there's a law passed in California where certain things needed to be fixed and I think those things had to get fixed before the selling to Oracle and everything. And some of those may have changed. Go read her article. It explains it all. It's very long to actually hear figure out what all of it is. But it's. There's a lot of incompetence going here.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Both incompetence and also just.

[David Imel]

It's incompetence from a bunch of people I don't trust. So yeah, the comp.

[Marques Brownlee]

The crazy combination of like stupidity and malice is just making this whole thing really bad. So I would maybe think about YouTube or Skylight.

[Andrew]

This is the problem with social media in general right now. And I thought Threads was gonna help fix this with like actually federating.

[David Imel]

I thought Mark was gonna fix it

[Andrew]

of us doing all these episodes two years ago at this point to like to avoid things like this happening where one platform gets taken over. You don't agree with something and you're just like.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's when they thought they had competition.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Do you know how I could be good?

[David Imel]

Tell David's not actually from the future. Why? Because he still thinks the Fediverse is going to work.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Ellis Roven]

Got him.

[Andrew]

Damn.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Threads basically stopped their federation efforts and I'm very upset about it. Anyway, yeah, TikTok sucks. I say as someone who's never used it. So I'm clearly the.

[Ellis Roven]

As someone who is is using TikTok. It is definitely kind of broken. I posted a short 2 days ago or something and it has like a 50th of the views that it typically would get. So I'm observing and the views kind of froze 24 hours ago and haven't gone up, so something's cold out, man. Facts.

[Marques Brownlee]

I froze 24 hours ago.

[David Imel]

Yeah, Mariah is currently freezing.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, she is the view counter on this TikTok. It was like one and a half million views average and this one has 29,000 views and was stuck there for 24 hours. So I don't know what's going on over there. Something's broken. Hopefully they fix it soon and then like get it working again. Yeah, we can all doom scrolling rot our brains. Yeah, speaking of brain rot, time to use our brains.

[Andrew]

Not for this one. Well, kind of. Okay, we just spoke about Samsung. Yeah, they make a lot of things. Displays, phones, refrigerators, washer machines. What kind of machine is the Samsung SE130LC2?

[Marques Brownlee]

What?

[Ellis Roven]

It's probably a bulldozer or something. Samsung is literally the entire economy of a country. I think they could make any. Literally. You could just name anything and be like, oh yeah, Samsung makes that.

[Andrew]

I will take the category. So if you give me the category of things.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, tech machine.

[Andrew]

Yeah, not that broad.

[Ellis Roven]

Samsung makes it. Okay. Wow. Wow, that is good trivia. I have no clue. So we're. I hope you guys also don't know and then we'll all learn something today.

[Marques Brownlee]

Bulldozer is not that bad of a cannabis excavator.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, we'll guess answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Yo, Harvey, Zoe, group selfie. Ooh, nice. New iPhone 17.

[Andrew]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[Ellis Roven]

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[David Imel]

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[Ellis Roven]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[Andrew]

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[Adam Alina]

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[Ellis Roven]

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[Andrew]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[Ellis Roven]

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[Andrew]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[David Imel]

All right, welcome back. If you are a video watcher, I am now at the producers table, and Mariah is still here. Ellis has not been here, but we needed him for this game because there will be teams.

[Marques Brownlee]

So with the magic of editing, Ellis.

[Ellis Roven]

Teams, teams.

[Adam Alina]

I can't hear the music right now.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's pretty epic.

[Andrew]

This is the worst walk on music ever. Oh, my God. Who picked this music? This is terrible.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes. Let's just.

[Andrew]

Whatever team this is for is definitely gonna lose this game.

[Ellis Roven]

Whoa.

[Adam Alina]

All right, that's.

[David Imel]

That's. That's like every Disney Channel high school baseball walkout music. Okay, so we're gonna play a game. I'm going to explain it. It is basically based on the game wavelengths. Have you, any of you ever played.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

I have never heard of this.

[David Imel]

For those of you who have not, you've probably seen a video of it. I've never played, but I have seen people play it, and it looks super fun. It's basically you have a wheel, and on that wheel there is a 1 to 10, and you're gonna get a. You're gonna get concepts, and in that plan, concepts. That has a scale between 1 and 10. And essentially what happens is one player on each team is going to get a number. That person needs to give a clue for their teammate to be able to find where on this scale in this concept we're talking about. Um, so can we get an example? Yes, I have an example. That's kind of a confusing explanation. I think the example will be pretty easy. The example I have is least sold Apple product. Most sold Apple product. So if you get a 10, you're probably going to say the iPhone. If you get one, you could say

[Marques Brownlee]

AirPower Vision Pro Pro.

[David Imel]

You could say Vision Pro. Vision Pro would probably be like a 2 or a 3 maybe on there. Maybe AirPods is like a 7. So pretty much, if I were to give that to. If I gave the number seven to Marquez, he wants to give the clue to David to try and pick between one to seven.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Ellis Roven]

The way he is me a clue he gives trying to get you to guess the number.

[David Imel]

The number.

[Ellis Roven]

So I'm going to say okay. In my head, the number is seven. All right. David, Most sold Apple product to least sold Apple product. Most sold as a 10 iPad. And you use that context to try to give a number based on what

[David Imel]

you're based on a scale of 1 to 10.

[Marques Brownlee]

I probably say 7 or 8. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

[David Imel]

Okay. The way points will work. 5 points for the exact number. 3 points for 1 number off in any direction. 1.4. 2 numbers off in either direction.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

No decimals. We're just doing one to ten.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Where are the teams?

[David Imel]

It is Marquez and David versus Ellis and Adam.

[Andrew]

Oh, wait. So the music was awesome that you picked.

[Ellis Roven]

Holy crap.

[Adam Alina]

Did you not know we were on a team?

[Andrew]

I did not.

[David Imel]

So what I will need is my cousin.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't have music.

[David Imel]

Where's our music?

[Ellis Roven]

We don't need it. We're good.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true. Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

We're locked in.

[David Imel]

I'm going to send the number to each of you in slack. Oh. So that you know, if you have something you can look at slack on that would be perfect. Perfect. And then I'll give. I'm also. This is all tech based. I might give a little more of a category before these. I'll show you an example.

[Marques Brownlee]

So am I allowed to say out loud what the number is?

[David Imel]

No.

[Andrew]

You want Marquez.

[David Imel]

The whole point is he's supposed to guess. So let me start this with. I feel like Ellis knows what's going on.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

I've played this game before.

[David Imel]

Okay, cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Play the game.

[David Imel]

I am going to.

[Ellis Roven]

Everybody play the game. Can I see Ellis's number while he's trying to get get Adam to guess it?

[David Imel]

You could if you wanted to.

[Ellis Roven]

I'll just look.

[David Imel]

But here it is. You. You say the clue once and then you don't say anything else. It's supposed to be one word, but I'm just gonna say one product so, like, Samsung Galaxy S25 is an okay, got it. Clue. So I'm going to do. For Ellis. For me, I'm going to do. I have a lot of different ones here.

[Ellis Roven]

Here.

[David Imel]

Okay. The category is tech CEO. The scale is never heard of them to household name.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[David Imel]

So never heard of them is 1. Household name is 10. You're giving a clue of a tech CEO, and your number is.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, my mom has never heard of a single tech CEO.

[Adam Alina]

Well, 10 is everybody knows. One is nobody.

[Marques Brownlee]

We should have music playing during this.

[David Imel]

I don't know how to do that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

Damn.

[Adam Alina]

Okay, this is a tough one because I feel like this is sort of a binary.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, that's a lot of talking. Talking.

[Andrew]

I'm talking.

[Ellis Roven]

You only got to say a few words.

[Adam Alina]

Oh, you're right.

[Ellis Roven]

You're right.

[Adam Alina]

Right, right, right, right.

[Andrew]

It's a good thing we had such good walk on music.

[Adam Alina]

I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say. I don't remember his name, so I guess I can't.

[Andrew]

Doesn't want to say it. Freaking

[Adam Alina]

Larry Page.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's what I was thinking. I don't even know.

[Adam Alina]

You don't know the number?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know the number. I just.

[Ellis Roven]

That was just like, I.

[Adam Alina]

You're just thinking about Larry Page.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just thinking about Larry Page.

[Andrew]

So my answer needs to be a number phone.

[David Imel]

There, Ellis.

[Ellis Roven]

It's.

[Andrew]

It's off my number. You said Larry Page. Yeah. So my number is going. Damn. My number is going to be this.

[Adam Alina]

You think

[Marques Brownlee]

that's power? You think that who knows about.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, who knows about Larry Page?

[Marques Brownlee]

I do.

[Andrew]

People don't invented Google.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, most people do not.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, okay, never mind.

[Adam Alina]

Mariah's shaking. If I had said Sergey Brin, would you have guessed six?

[Ellis Roven]

Eight?

[Andrew]

No, that's. Oh, six.

[David Imel]

Damn.

[Andrew]

I was between six and eight.

[Adam Alina]

I should have just been like, do

[Andrew]

more people know it or people don't know it?

[Marques Brownlee]

I'd say six is a really good. That's a good one.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that is good. That's not bad. All right, I get it. I get it.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, yeah, we got it.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm gonna send you Marcus.

[Marques Brownlee]

We're locked in. All right, let's go.

[David Imel]

Brain blast down the points.

[Andrew]

So.

[Adam Alina]

So we got one point.

[David Imel]

Yep, you got one.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

You're too often.

[David Imel]

And then I'm crossing these out.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, we did get one point.

[Adam Alina]

That's sick. I was just trying to mess up the game.

[David Imel]

Okay, Marquez, I'm going to do the category. Smartphone. The scale is fingerprint magnet to super clean. So number one would be a fingerprint magnet. Number 10 would be the opposite of a. It's just really clean all of the time.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Your number is tennis clean. Tennis clean. Okay.

[Andrew]

Yeah, tennis clean.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's crazy.

[Adam Alina]

This one's a crazy tennis clean. One is fingerprints never show up.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

What?

[Andrew]

No, that's his thinking.

[Marques Brownlee]

No one is fingerprints always.

[David Imel]

And it's a smartphone.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

I'm in their heads.

[Ellis Roven]

Rent free Revolution.

[Marques Brownlee]

Rent free.

[Ellis Roven]

Lock in marques. Lock in iPhone 12 Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

12 Pro. Trying to remember what. Okay, it was the first square one.

[Andrew]

Was this before you went iPhone?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I didn't switch until the 14 Pro.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I did review the 12 Pro for Android Authority.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Notably not an Android phone. It was square. Oh, oh, okay. Yes, I'm remembering. It was blue. Sierra blue maybe.

[Adam Alina]

Why are you looking at me?

[Marques Brownlee]

You're just my focus target right now. Okay, I think. God, it's like right there. Okay, I think I'm gonna guess Marques

[Andrew]

is trying to brain blast this number to you. Dang.

[Marques Brownlee]

It really wasn't insane, was it? I can't look at you.

[Mariah Zank]

What's your gut reaction?

[Marques Brownlee]

My gut reaction is like four. Oh, was it actually four?

[Andrew]

Yes. No way.

[David Imel]

I don't know if that was officially him guessing it, but I think it should be quick on the trigger. Yeah, I think we should have. You were taking long enough, so. Yeah, that's.

[Adam Alina]

Wait, do we have unlimited time?

[David Imel]

No.

[Andrew]

Well, that's good to know.

[Ellis Roven]

Mariah. It was quick enough.

[David Imel]

There's no official time. It's just whenever Mariah feels like.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, that was huge.

[Andrew]

So they got two points.

[David Imel]

Wow.

[Mariah Zank]

Yeah. And I'm impatient, so.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Andrew]

What?

[Ellis Roven]

Five points.

[Andrew]

That was five points.

[David Imel]

That was five points for nailing it on the head. Five, three, one.

[Adam Alina]

All right, I'm taking ten.

[Ellis Roven]

I was thinking stainless steel rails. Stainless steel rails would be like a little.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Imel]

Okay, let's do which one would. Or. This is for Adam. You are giving the clue. The. The category is a social media platform that was zero views to probably viral. So one would be zero views. Okay. 10 would be most likely going viral

[Adam Alina]

based on the platform.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Like we all know platforms have different levels of activity pushed by the algorithm. I think you can quickly, pretty quickly think like what 10 would be like has the most probability of virality versus what social media platform probably.

[Adam Alina]

No, I think, I think I get it.

[David Imel]

Well, it's.

[Adam Alina]

It's not, it's not whether I get it, it's whether I understand.

[Andrew]

Adam's.

[David Imel]

That's whether I get it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the ones who get it get it.

[Adam Alina]

This is an interesting question for Adam and I because I'm not really on any social media, and Adam only uses, like. Like, what is it called? Like, walrus or, like, whatever.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You sent it to me. I'm thinking. So it needs. Okay, I'm gonna go with. Levels of virality.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay. Since we can cut wherever and there's no time limit, let me think a little bit.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, Take your time, bro.

[Ellis Roven]

What? Jes.

[Andrew]

Okay, so 10 is obviously this. One is obviously this. So I'm going to say words.

[Ellis Roven]

Lot of words. It could be one Blue sky.

[Adam Alina]

Okay. We did.

[David Imel]

This is.

[Adam Alina]

That's a good one. Because, like, on the one hand, literally no one uses blue sky, but the other hand. David, I saw you tweet yesterday.

[David Imel]

I also.

[Ellis Roven]

Blue sky.

[Marques Brownlee]

I skied yesterday, too.

[Andrew]

I hate, hate this.

[Adam Alina]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

I want to be where the people are.

[Adam Alina]

And, man, we did just have our first viral blue sky moment, too, with the. The bus hijacking.

[Andrew]

Oh, I. For what? Mariah's like, what?

[Adam Alina]

Okay, clearly it wasn't viral enough.

[Ellis Roven]

I feel like there's a lot of words happening. Shouldn't be so many words, girl.

[Mariah Zank]

I need a number.

[Adam Alina]

Well, I feel like it could be a three, because you've already used four, and I feel like it could be a five, because we've already used six, and I don't think it's seven.

[Mariah Zank]

Please lock in your number.

[Andrew]

Three, my man.

[Ellis Roven]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hey, Blue sky is more popular than three numbers. I'm literally just possibility of going viral.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, because there are so few people on Blue Sky Viral. Name your favorite post.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but that's Blue sky viral, which

[Andrew]

is, like, I mean, mainstream viral. That's what. That's what I had to think on, like, terms of mainstream.

[Adam Alina]

But, like, think of, like, name a viral tweet.

[Marques Brownlee]

Tweet.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

There's so many. Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

Name a viral skeet.

[Andrew]

One.

[Adam Alina]

Name one. Name a skeet that. You saw that. Everybody saw that. I'd be like, oh, I saw that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Who's everybody, exactly?

[Andrew]

The people who are terminally online or.

[David Imel]

David, I'm gonna send this to you now.

[Ellis Roven]

Lock in Rocket the cat.

[David Imel]

The clue has to be a smartphone.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[David Imel]

And it is on a scale of Glad it's dead to wish it was back.

[Adam Alina]

Okay, that's a good one. That is good.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay. Glad It's Dead is a one.

[Marques Brownlee]

We have the same opinion.

[Ellis Roven]

Glad it's dead is a one.

[David Imel]

I just sent you. Glad it's dead is a one. 10 is a wish. It was.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, boy. Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, so name a dead smartphone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, man. A dead smartphone.

[Ellis Roven]

They're all dead.

[Marques Brownlee]

In.

[David Imel]

In.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, it's a phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm gonna say the.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm just gonna blurt out the first novel that comes to my head.

[Marques Brownlee]

LG G7. ThinQ.

[Ellis Roven]

LG G7.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was the blood glucose.

[Ellis Roven]

One. That is a seven. Final answer.

[Marques Brownlee]

No.

[David Imel]

Let's go.

[Marques Brownlee]

You wish that would come back.

[David Imel]

You want that back?

[Ellis Roven]

Me, personally?

[David Imel]

Yeah. No, but he just.

[Marques Brownlee]

Pretty high up there.

[Adam Alina]

But you think David wants it back?

[Ellis Roven]

I think David wants.

[Marques Brownlee]

No. Oh, okay.

[David Imel]

I'm glad. You're right. You're wrong for all the right reasons.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[David Imel]

It was a four. That's zero points.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, wow.

[David Imel]

Return of the four.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Seems like I know Marquez better than he knows me.

[Ellis Roven]

Wow. All right, you know, we got.

[David Imel]

We're still good.

[Ellis Roven]

We're still good. We got to go.

[Andrew]

What's the score? Six to five, Adam.

[Adam Alina]

And I don't even need the prompt. Adam, on three, let's say the same word. One, two, three. Sandwiches. You said one. One was your word. Your word is one.

[Andrew]

That's a one.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's the number. That's a word.

[David Imel]

Okay, Ellis. The clue is AI capabilities and or feature. All right, so this is an AI feature. The scale is waste of water. It's a necessity.

[Adam Alina]

What? One is waste of water.

[Andrew]

10 is total necessity.

[Adam Alina]

It's going to be AI over.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I know.

[Adam Alina]

Oh, wait, I have to look at the number.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, right, right.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's.

[Andrew]

That's part of it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Seven more.

[Andrew]

So 10 is.

[Adam Alina]

10 is necessity.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

That's all I'm gonna do.

[David Imel]

Super useful.

[Adam Alina]

Look me in the eye. Look me in the eye right now. Look me in the eye. My Claude Pro subscription.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's a.

[Adam Alina]

Put me in the eye. No, no, no, no. Up here.

[Andrew]

You know that's a nine.

[Adam Alina]

Yep. It's a nine.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Damn, he needs that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow. Marcus, we need a lock in, bro. We need a lock in.

[Andrew]

Locked in.

[Ellis Roven]

I still think you're using too many words, but that was incredible.

[Adam Alina]

I said. I used four words.

[Ellis Roven]

You said, look me in the eye. Look me in the eye.

[Andrew]

Look me in the eye.

[Adam Alina]

You think I got numbers on you?

[David Imel]

My quad Pro subscription. Nope.

[Ellis Roven]

Stay up here. Stay up here. Stay with me.

[David Imel]

Stay with me.

[Ellis Roven]

Lock in. And they still got it. And that was sick. But that was a lot of words. I'm just saying.

[Andrew]

Fine.

[Adam Alina]

Next time. Next time, I'll keep it really kosher, man.

[David Imel]

Okay, Marquez. Ready?

[Ellis Roven]

I'm ready.

[Marques Brownlee]

I Do not need blood glucose.

[David Imel]

This is.

[Ellis Roven]

I really.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not that important to me. It's not seven.

[David Imel]

Okay. This is a. Any. Any tech product.

[Ellis Roven]

Any tech product.

[David Imel]

But we're judging the name from horrible to great. Just the name of the product. So one is the worst name ever. 10 is a great name.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

I can work with that.

[Andrew]

I'm not even gonna make a joke,

[Adam Alina]

because if you cooked on these.

[Marques Brownlee]

Andrew.

[Adam Alina]

These are good.

[Andrew]

These are good.

[David Imel]

Thank you.

[Ellis Roven]

I need a number.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Waiting on the number.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Andrew]

He's thinking. He's thinking. He's still thinking.

[Ellis Roven]

Do it.

[David Imel]

Marcus, that's a lot of talking. I'm gonna need you

[Ellis Roven]

LG G5.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. That's, like, pretty damn simple. Could this. This be. Could it be? No.

[Ellis Roven]

No way.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm going to say.

[Adam Alina]

You should look him in the eyes. It works.

[Marques Brownlee]

God, we got to lock.

[Andrew]

It does work.

[Marques Brownlee]

We got to lock in bro. G5 specifically. Interesting. Oh, that's un. I'm like, between two. 10.

[Mariah Zank]

Is that your final answer?

[Marques Brownlee]

Lock in 10 is good, right?

[Andrew]

10 is like.

[Adam Alina]

This name's amazing.

[Ellis Roven]

Greatest name of all time. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, that's how they should be.

[Mariah Zank]

And that's.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is iPhone 17, right? What?

[Andrew]

Wait, what?

[Adam Alina]

Where did you get on?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I'm just saying, like, that it's just. Line number. Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Can I say what number is supposed to be?

[David Imel]

Yeah, it was five.

[Andrew]

Five.

[Adam Alina]

It's fine.

[Ellis Roven]

It's fine.

[David Imel]

I realized he put five in the name.

[Andrew]

No, that's what I got.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, that was a pretty good hint.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that was the hint.

[David Imel]

I thought of that and somehow skipped that on this question.

[Marques Brownlee]

How could it be better? It's the G line, and it's the fifth one.

[Ellis Roven]

I was. I. What crossed my mind was great names, iconic names. Moto X is a really good name.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but then they said to call it Moto X. Second generation.

[Ellis Roven]

Well, no, but like, the original, that would have been like, a really high number or great use of the air horn. As bad as it is, the humane AI pin is like a good name.

[Andrew]

Good name.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like second generation.

[Ellis Roven]

I wonder if there was no second

[Andrew]

generation the pin two.

[Ellis Roven]

Anyway.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, would you consider the iPhone 17 bad product naming?

[Ellis Roven]

The 17, specifically. That's no editing at the iPhone. I think that's fairly standard.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really?

[Ellis Roven]

Fairly standard.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, it's standard, but it's good, right?

[Adam Alina]

No, but it's.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's.

[Adam Alina]

It's not like the iPhone. Stinky butt, you know, like. Yeah, like, it's not like a bad name.

[Andrew]

Well, this was a Good game, Andrew.

[Ellis Roven]

Who won?

[Adam Alina]

No, no, we got many more.

[David Imel]

Adam, your turn. The clue is an Internet meme, and the scale is. Never thought it was funny to laugh every time I see it.

[Andrew]

So 10 is laugh every time I see it?

[David Imel]

Yes. Okay.

[Adam Alina]

I know Ellis has very.

[Andrew]

I know this is going to be

[Adam Alina]

crazy, but I. I know all of the memes.

[Marques Brownlee]

That.

[Andrew]

That's the thing. I don't. But I don't know many memes, so this is gonna be hard.

[Adam Alina]

I know all the memes.

[David Imel]

You know your library gifs in Slack more than anyone.

[Andrew]

That's because I'm a millennial, not because I know the memes.

[Marques Brownlee]

GIFs are not funny.

[Ellis Roven]

Like, the formula is a protest on how many words are being used.

[Adam Alina]

You're Jokic and I'm Aaron Gordon. Right now, you can't miss.

[Marques Brownlee]

They don't know.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew]

Okay, wait, I'm gonna go with Nick Young meme with the question marks.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nick Young.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, is he the, like.

[Andrew]

No, no, no. With the three with the question.

[Ellis Roven]

That one.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've seen that one.

[Adam Alina]

Adam, for you, that's like an eight.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's the final answer.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, that's my answer.

[Mariah Zank]

Are you locking in?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zank]

You're unbelievable.

[Ellis Roven]

What the what? The eight, baby. Okay, I'm actually gonna ask you guys

[David Imel]

to follow the rules.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm actually gonna ask. I saw. I heard a lot of NBA references, a lot of other words being used. That could have been a clue. What's his jersey number? I think it's an 8. I think you should just.

[David Imel]

I just.

[Adam Alina]

Is his number at 8?

[David Imel]

Marquez is mad that you might be cheating, but for his number 5, he used the LG G5, hoping to just guess the 5, but I only said 2 Mar.

[Adam Alina]

Next time, it's just poker face.

[Ellis Roven]

Just get the clue.

[Adam Alina]

But also, like. Like, you know, Adam and I edit this podcast concurrently, right? So, like, we don't know what the other person did until we're both done. And so every week, Adam and I play this game. Like, I get to. I get to a point, and I'm

[Ellis Roven]

like, how would Adam edit this? And I know that's fair. No, the brain meld was already crazy before this, so I'm. I'm not shocked. We're not doing as well as.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like, we're an electric car, and they're a gas car. We pulled ahead at the beginning, but then they eventually took over.

[Mariah Zank]

I need you guys to lock in.

[Ellis Roven]

All right, David.

[Mariah Zank]

David.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, David, Come on.

[David Imel]

All right, David, do you want a phone One or do you want.

[Andrew]

Don't give. No, no, no, no.

[Adam Alina]

Don't have. Give him.

[Ellis Roven]

Let me use 70 words then. Let's.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let's make it a game.

[David Imel]

Okay, cool. Then this is the fun one. No, I'm not going to do the phone. No, this one is.

[Marques Brownlee]

I need one that Marquez will get.

[David Imel]

The clue has to be a video game.

[Marques Brownlee]

Marquez is not gonna get this.

[David Imel]

And the category is least likely for Marquez to play. Marquez to play.

[Ellis Roven]

But he.

[Andrew]

There's only one answer.

[Marques Brownlee]

The names.

[Adam Alina]

No, Marquez has talked about the games he's played on this podcast. I. Why am I talking.

[Andrew]

It's up to you, David, to know that scale in Marquez's head.

[Marques Brownlee]

I do know that.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Backyard baseball.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay. I mean, I'm a big fan of backyard baseball. There's a lot of backyard basketball. That would be.

[Adam Alina]

Be.

[Ellis Roven]

That would be a 10 for me. I've also worn.

[Andrew]

Well, a lot of words happening. A lot of words happening.

[Ellis Roven]

New giver is the limited person. I'm saying nine.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let's go. Damn, It's a nine. Was it a nine?

[Adam Alina]

Nice, nice.

[Andrew]

See?

[David Imel]

See?

[Ellis Roven]

Let's go. We're back. We're back.

[David Imel]

We're actually.

[Marques Brownlee]

I feel like we're not.

[Adam Alina]

No, I think you are.

[Ellis Roven]

I think we just nailed that.

[David Imel]

That was pretty good.

[Ellis Roven]

I won.

[David Imel]

I thought about that one in my head and I thought 10 would have been 2k, 9 would have been racing. And then like.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was envisioning, like, the games you play on camera, like fortnite that you don't actually play.

[David Imel]

I was wondering if you would count wordle. Because Wordle would be 10.

[Andrew]

That would be a 10.

[Ellis Roven]

That would have been easy.

[Andrew]

No, Backyard Basil was a good one.

[Ellis Roven]

That was great. Solid. Great clue. Thank you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well done.

[Andrew]

All right, good game. Okay, we can end it now.

[Adam Alina]

No, I gotta. I gotta prove I can still do the circuit.

[David Imel]

Yeah, this is Ellis, right?

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, this is. This is me.

[David Imel]

Okay, so I have. Have any tech product is the clue you have to give. And it is on a scale of not throwable to super throwable.

[Andrew]

Not throw physically.

[David Imel]

Physically throwable.

[Adam Alina]

10 is physic. Is like.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like.

[David Imel]

It would be furthest if you threw.

[Ellis Roven]

Check it again.

[Marques Brownlee]

Vision Pro.

[Andrew]

Who's throwing it?

[David Imel]

No, hold on. I didn't send it. I just sent it.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, that was the last.

[David Imel]

That was your last.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not throwable to throw.

[Ellis Roven]

Who.

[Andrew]

Who's throwing this? Device. Device. Is it like Ellis or is it Marcus?

[David Imel]

Can't answer that question.

[Andrew]

I'm asking You?

[David Imel]

Oh, I don't know.

[Andrew]

So just in general, someone throwing this device.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

All right.

[Andrew]

I have a 10 chance of just guessing this, right?

[David Imel]

That's true.

[Andrew]

By locking in iPad mini, I'm going 10.

[David Imel]

Damn.

[Adam Alina]

Maybe it was the banner. It was seven. I figured, like, it was slightly less throwable than a phone, but it had this.

[Ellis Roven]

It had the free market.

[Marques Brownlee]

We got an opportunity here.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes, we do.

[Marques Brownlee]

We just gotta get one to tie.

[Ellis Roven]

Hell, yeah.

[Mariah Zank]

So you guys have me nervous now. You're looking at each other.

[Ellis Roven]

I thought they were gonna nail it again, to be honest.

[Andrew]

I was gonna guess eight or ten, and I went seven. It's all good, bro.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. I was gonna say a Canon C300, but it has a handle, which I think would make you go like 9 or 10. So I would pick something without a handle.

[Andrew]

Well, I was thinking just size, ball size.

[Adam Alina]

Also, like, what's the Olympic sport where you spin around hammer?

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Andrew]

I was also thinking iPad mini would be like a good frisbee thing to also.

[Adam Alina]

That's what I was thinking, like seven, you know, but it wouldn't go as far as just like chucking as an

[Andrew]

iPad pro an Apple watch or something.

[Ellis Roven]

What's an actual 10 Apple Watch, dude, Just chuck it.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is like the phone is kind

[Ellis Roven]

of the fits in your hands enough.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah.

[Mariah Zank]

Humane pin perfect 10.

[Adam Alina]

Oh, actually, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because the weight.

[Adam Alina]

No, you'd want something that's a little bit of weight.

[Ellis Roven]

Fits in your hand entirely. It's got to fit in your hand to be sure.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, an airpod is not very throwable.

[Andrew]

No, no.

[Adam Alina]

What could be thrown farther? An AirPod or AirPod case. Yeah, AirPods in the case.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

All right. This is a short.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

What's more throwable?

[David Imel]

Okay, it's Adam's turn, right?

[Ellis Roven]

No, no, my turn.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's our turn.

[David Imel]

Marquez's turn.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

For. For the tie.

[David Imel]

For the tie. Yes.

[Ellis Roven]

Let's go.

[David Imel]

Let's do. The clue has to be a camera.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[David Imel]

One is over processed. Ten is natural.

[Andrew]

Oh, this is. There are a million layers of gray here. I love this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Over processed.

[Ellis Roven]

10 is natural. Wait for a number. Got my number.

[Marques Brownlee]

One million shades of gray.

[Adam Alina]

This is a good one for this team.

[Andrew]

So I think knowing all processed.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Knowing all the cameras, the way that you guys both do might be a detriment in this situation.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm scared.

[Adam Alina]

There's so many choices.

[Ellis Roven]

An iPhone 5S. 5S.

[David Imel]

Whoa.

[Ellis Roven]

Whoa.

[Andrew]

That's so specific.

[Ellis Roven]

Whoa. Gosh.

[Marques Brownlee]

Natural.

[Ellis Roven]

Natural. All cameras.

[Andrew]

It's a lot of words. Marques wow.

[Ellis Roven]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean

[Ellis Roven]

10.

[Marques Brownlee]

10 is my final answer.

[Mariah Zank]

Your final answer.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[David Imel]

All cameras. 10.

[Marques Brownlee]

What do you mean all cameras?

[David Imel]

Any camera. You think, like, it's more natural than like, oh, comparing to other.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is. Then like, it has less processing for the JPEGs.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What about your, like, film cameras?

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, film is processed by the computer. Like it's different.

[Ellis Roven]

Like.

[Marques Brownlee]

But the 5s hadn't even introduced, like HDR or anything.

[David Imel]

No, no.

[Mariah Zank]

The.

[Adam Alina]

The 4s, you could toggle HDR on or off.

[Andrew]

That's what I mean. They knew too much.

[David Imel]

It was a three.

[Ellis Roven]

It was a three. I was trying to get you to say three. I was thinking if I. If I got.

[Marques Brownlee]

They hadn't even increased processing to phones.

[Ellis Roven]

If I got a high number, I would have said something like a film camera or a DSLR where there's very little processing, like post processing especially. But if I wanted a low number, I would go smartphone. Like a one is a modern day smartphone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. IPhone.

[Ellis Roven]

But like an older smartphone. Maybe like an iPhone. 5S is more like a 3 or a 4. That's where I was thinking.

[Marques Brownlee]

They didn't have computational photography when the 5s was out.

[David Imel]

So do we just want to do. Wrap it up on the last two questions? Questions for each team? Sure. Okay, the. The clue needs to be a tech product, any tech product. And it's on a scale of we need less of and we need more of.

[Andrew]

Oh, okay. What's the number? Waiting on the number.

[Adam Alina]

It is starting the countdown before we

[Marques Brownlee]

need more AI products.

[Andrew]

Okay, so 10 is we need more of this, right?

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And one is we need less. Okay, I'm clarifying for myself, Macedon.

[Adam Alina]

Damn you. And I would answer this question completely opposite. And I don't know if you're going with me or if we're going with you. That's tough. I'm going to go m.

[Andrew]

Look at me.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mariah Zank]

What's your gut reaction, Ellis?

[Adam Alina]

My gut reaction is one

[Mariah Zank]

and is that your final answer?

[Adam Alina]

I only do the final answers.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's right.

[Ellis Roven]

Great.

[Mariah Zank]

Well, that's great.

[Adam Alina]

There we go.

[Marques Brownlee]

Was it completely off?

[Andrew]

The complete opposite.

[Adam Alina]

I knew it was one of those.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, so more guys. We have a chance.

[Marques Brownlee]

Chance to tie.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

And two chances to beat them.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes. We can win. We.

[Marques Brownlee]

If we get a one, we tie. If we get.

[David Imel]

No, no, actually, if you get a

[Adam Alina]

one, you win, I think.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no, we're one behind you.

[David Imel]

Are you. They're one point to my notes. I have. You've gotten two on the dot.

[Marques Brownlee]

Two on the dot.

[David Imel]

And They've gotten three on the dot plus a one pointer.

[Ellis Roven]

Three on the dot. I thought. Yeah, we did. They got two on.

[David Imel]

It was crazy. They went on.

[Adam Alina]

Dude, it was a generational run.

[Marques Brownlee]

Did they really get.

[Ellis Roven]

Get three on?

[David Imel]

I believe so.

[Ellis Roven]

All right, well, we can make this a respectable guy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'd rather lose by one than. Wait, can we just say if we get this correct, we win?

[Ellis Roven]

No,

[David Imel]

if we get this right, we tie and we can do one more each. I maybe would have won. Let's see if we get it right first and then.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, okay. Okay, so you're sending me the number?

[David Imel]

I'm sending you the number.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[David Imel]

It. The clue needs to be a smartphone. One is cheapest phone possible. 10 is literally the most expensive phone possible.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, interesting.

[Adam Alina]

The most expensive.

[David Imel]

Sorry, I'm sending it. Fine.

[Marques Brownlee]

All of you on slack.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, I think I know the most expensive.

[Marques Brownlee]

I figured it was going to be this.

[Adam Alina]

That's a really tough one because, like, possible long tail.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[Adam Alina]

Long tail.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

And there's a lot of things that maybe don't count as phones. I'm gonna shut up.

[Marques Brownlee]

How about the Pixel 10?

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, now I'm gonna think out loud. Okay, so a 10 would have been a caviar. Something crazy. A one would be the, like, $2 track phone or something.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, so Pixel 10, the base Pixel 10 was a little bit overpriced for what it was because it was the 128 gig for $799, I believe. Andrew has iPhone come out for $799, which was 256. So I thought the iPhone was a good deal.

[Marques Brownlee]

Can I say other things or no?

[Ellis Roven]

No, the Pixel, I'm thinking, don't worry, I got this. Okay, so the Pixel is a little bit overpriced relative to the iPhone, but in the grand scale of all phones, all phones, 10 being the $50,000 caviar and one being the $2 track phone, I think the Pixel 10 is a solid five.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes. God, we're cooked.

[Mariah Zank]

Locked in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Locked in.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

We need.

[David Imel]

As we're mapping it out, I was

[Andrew]

like, he's gonna get this.

[David Imel]

Well, no, I. The way I knew the number, everything he was saying was like, they're not getting this. Because it sounded like he was. David even thought. David immediately was like, I lost this one. And then he. And then I saw the moment his

[Andrew]

hands went like this. I was like, oh, he's going right down the middle.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, baby.

[Marques Brownlee]

$8.99.

[Ellis Roven]

That was cr. Clutch.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was clutch. Some people still consider the 9.99, like, expensive, even though it's kind of basically the price of every profound now.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So $7.99 is kind of right in the middle, I'd say.

[Ellis Roven]

Or 8.99 generational run 1 more each.

[David Imel]

You can pick who wants to be the clue giver per team and we'll just make it whoever gets the closest. Okay. If you guys tie again, then. Then.

[Adam Alina]

Then we're done.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

I think we got to do trivia.

[Marques Brownlee]

Data wise, I've the num. When I get the number, we get it right more often.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

I'm fine with that. I think you give a clue. Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it.

[David Imel]

What do you think? So David's going first or.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or you should let them go first because I just went.

[Andrew]

I'll give the hint.

[Adam Alina]

You'll give the hint?

[Andrew]

Yeah, I'll give the hint. I think you're better at guessing than I am.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, cool.

[Adam Alina]

This time I'm going to look deep into your soul and not deep into

[Andrew]

my soul, not Marquez's. Deep into my soul.

[David Imel]

Adam, your. The clue you have to give is any type of tech product or feature and one is least likely to come out in 2026 and 10 is most likely to come out.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Live translate. Let's go.

[Andrew]

So 10 is most likely to come out?

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Waiting on the number. Oh, God. Okay.

[Adam Alina]

Most likely.

[Andrew]

Most likely to come out is 10.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Ellis locked in so hard. He's out of focus right now.

[Adam Alina]

The camera was stealing my focus. I had to get it back.

[Andrew]

Pixel 11 mini.

[Adam Alina]

Dude, that's like Pixel 11 mini in 2026.

[Marques Brownlee]

Would you switch, by the way, in 2026.

[Adam Alina]

Did I switch?

[Ellis Roven]

What?

[Andrew]

No.

[Adam Alina]

Would you switch to pixel if they put out a mini? Yeah, that's like a three.

[Mariah Zank]

You're locking in.

[Ellis Roven]

Damn.

[Adam Alina]

You think a pixel? I think mini is coming out in 2026.

[Andrew]

No, I actually rumored. It's like.

[David Imel]

That's a great.

[Andrew]

It was six. The number was six.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like, it seems like very unlikely, but someone made a video.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Maybe it happening for some reason. So it's like.

[David Imel]

It's a tough one. If the like the new rabbit.

[Andrew]

I was hoping you were gonna say some sort of robot.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. What would you say for six? That's a hard.

[Andrew]

Six is tough.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

I think like robots, like what's the new rabbit? Three in one. Like there's maybe some mur.

[Marques Brownlee]

Rabbit three in one.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I was trying to think of something that's definitely coming out. And then a new version of all

[David Imel]

of these is so easy to do. One in ten. Yeah, it gets really tough.

[Ellis Roven]

The problem is, like, we know what's probably going to come out, and that's just tens, and then we know what's not coming out, which is ones.

[Adam Alina]

How would a pixel mini come out? Like. Like, what would they, like, switch to Silicon Carbon?

[David Imel]

People would announce a smaller pixel.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no, no.

[David Imel]

But, like, sell it in stores.

[Ellis Roven]

It's tough to get anywhere inside of one entire 10 for this one. Like, we know it's not coming out,

[Andrew]

but, like, I think it would be easier for them to release, like, an 11 plus and then rebrand the regular

[Ellis Roven]

11 as a Mini plus is a 6, because mini phones don't sell and everyone knows it. But A plus is like Google trying some, you know.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I was gonna say iPhone mini, but that would be like two.

[Ellis Roven]

That'd be a non.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, that'd be a two Asus.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, David, selling the mini.

[Ellis Roven]

David, we have a chance to do something hilarious, right?

[Andrew]

Sorry.

[Adam Alina]

I fail us gets thrown away right here.

[David Imel]

Okay, this is the clue you have to give is any tech product. It is definitely vaporware to best seller number. No, let me pick another number.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay, one definitely vaporware. 10 bestseller. Got it.

[Andrew]

Damn.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a h. Okay. Made bestseller. Paperware and bestseller are kind of different things. Yeah, they are kind of. No, but honestly.

[David Imel]

Oh, no, no, I know, but it's like, dude, you know, something that, like, we don't think is ever going to come out to something that is, like, obviously coming out.

[Adam Alina]

No. Not to throw a wrench in this, but in. In 2026, they can be the same thing. Like, plenty of.

[David Imel]

There are plenty of products of which

[Adam Alina]

thousands of people buy them and they never come.

[Ellis Roven]

Yes.

[Adam Alina]

It's gaseous cloud.

[David Imel]

You know what I mean, though? You mean, like, sold tons of units, right? Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm gonna say.

[Ellis Roven]

I don't know what that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Rabbit R1.

[Ellis Roven]

Rabbit R1.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Dang, that's a good one.

[Ellis Roven]

All right, so it's not vapor.

[Marques Brownlee]

Did you see the number?

[Ellis Roven]

But it is very little sales, but actually kind of more sales than the humane pin. Humane Pin flopped so, so hard because it was 800 bucks. The rabbit actually sold, like, a lot because it was cheap, even though it was close to vaporware. So I'm going under 5, but over 2. So I'm gonna go. I'm between 3 and 4. Rabbit R1. Vapor to sales is a 3, 3, 4. Thank God.

[Adam Alina]

But let's go.

[Marques Brownlee]

We were Close. So we.

[David Imel]

That was still closer. If we're just counting the last one.

[Ellis Roven]

We won the tie break.

[David Imel]

Yeah, you won the tie break when it was never tied in the first place. So I'll let the audience decide who was the winner of that game.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really? Adam and Ellis got.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, the mind game. Crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

But that was. I was like.

[Andrew]

That was a good game.

[Marques Brownlee]

So close. Yeah. Because I was thinking it's kind of vaporware in terms of what it delivers, but it did sell a decent amount of them because they were cheap enough.

[Ellis Roven]

Right. So the features were vaporware. Yeah, sure. That was good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, well, cool.

[Adam Alina]

Guys, earlier this episode, I foisted a trivia question upon you guys, which means it is time to answer it.

[Ellis Roven]

Hit it. Yeah, I have a red marker now.

[Adam Alina]

Feels good.

[Andrew]

Trivia time. Yeah, I swapped them out when you weren't looking.

[Ellis Roven]

See mine now.

[Marques Brownlee]

Guys, did we get the second trivia question asked already?

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What was it about the Samsung product?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't.

[Ellis Roven]

What?

[Marques Brownlee]

What about it?

[Ellis Roven]

Everything. Like bulldozers.

[Andrew]

What was it?

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, yeah.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sorry.

[Andrew]

Go for it.

[Adam Alina]

So, guys, Apple names all of its chips after letters. I guess maybe not all of them,

[Andrew]

but all the ones that I know

[Adam Alina]

of are named after letters. You're gonna cut that, right?

[Mariah Zank]

No,

[Adam Alina]

Apple names. All of it's shipped after letters. I thought of this because airtag just came out. Uses the U1 or U2 or whatever it is. So whoever can. Can give me the longest word that only uses letters present in Apple chips gets this point.

[David Imel]

Can I make a request? No plurals.

[Adam Alina]

You couldn't do a plural. There is. There's an S chip.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's.

[Mariah Zank]

Girl, you made the question. Yeah, it has an S in it.

[Adam Alina]

Which one's the S chip?

[David Imel]

Do you. We were.

[Marques Brownlee]

The S5 chip.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah. What does it do?

[Marques Brownlee]

The S1?

[David Imel]

Who cares?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

It's a letter.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

The S2.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's the apple Watch.

[Adam Alina]

No, in that case, plurals are totally allowed.

[Andrew]

The S2.

[David Imel]

They're allowed.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

It's just a free one for sure.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

Who doesn't love free?

[Marques Brownlee]

But it's even.

[Adam Alina]

I live in Zohran Momdani's New York. I love free.

[David Imel]

That's right, baby. Thank you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Come cut.

[Andrew]

No pressure, but there's music playing, and the music is a timer.

[Mariah Zank]

This was a really difficult question.

[Andrew]

I think they got this.

[Mariah Zank]

I would fail this immediately.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've already failed.

[Ellis Roven]

Run.

[Andrew]

What if they don't have a word?

[Ellis Roven]

I don't know if that's a word. They're gonna.

[Marques Brownlee]

I wish there was an e. I wish there was an E we can make.

[Adam Alina]

I'll give you a hint.

[Mariah Zank]

There's real words.

[David Imel]

The.

[Adam Alina]

I think the longest word that I saw on the Internet was a kind of grape.

[David Imel]

That's not gonna help me at all.

[Adam Alina]

You guys don't know your grapes.

[Ellis Roven]

A kind of grape. Like the.

[David Imel]

I'm super interested here.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah. Okay.

[David Imel]

I have a lot written down, but I have my one answer.

[Andrew]

Pick your longest one. Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

Who wants to go first?

[Ellis Roven]

Who.

[Adam Alina]

Who thinks they have the shortest.

[Marques Brownlee]

I probably have the shortest one.

[David Imel]

David.

[Marques Brownlee]

I wrote warts.

[Adam Alina]

That's pretty funny.

[Andrew]

That's a good one.

[Adam Alina]

That's pretty good. That's five letters.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because that backwards is a word too.

[Ellis Roven]

Straw.

[David Imel]

Is that

[Ellis Roven]

so there's two words right there. Yeah.

[David Imel]

Did I get both?

[Marques Brownlee]

I made an anagram. Oh, that's not an anagram.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Palindrome.

[Mariah Zank]

Okay, so five letters for David.

[Adam Alina]

Five letters for David.

[David Imel]

Way to go.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's really 10.

[David Imel]

Isn't palindrome the same forward and backwards?

[Adam Alina]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

So mine's not a palindrome. Gosh.

[Ellis Roven]

You idiot.

[Adam Alina]

I don't even know my grapes.

[Ellis Roven]

I've heard a lot of things. I'm pretty sure untrust is a word. Oh. So I'm going with 1, 2, 3, 4, 7 letters.

[Adam Alina]

I did not not think about this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Untrust. I assumed we would all wouldn't be untrustworthy.

[Adam Alina]

I don't know if you'd be using

[David Imel]

it as a verb.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Adam Alina]

Like, I used to trust you and now I untrust.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because it's trust. No, because I don't know about that. Trustworthy is a word, and then untrustworthy. Un is the.

[Adam Alina]

But can you. Can I untrust you?

[Ellis Roven]

I don't know. I haven't Googled it. That's my longer word. I have a bunch of six letter words, but that's my seven letter word.

[Andrew]

It is considered a Scrabble word. If we're going by Scrabble dictionary.

[Mariah Zank]

Trust is a noun on Merriam Webster.

[Marques Brownlee]

Noun.

[David Imel]

It's a thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like untrustables. Like uncrustables.

[Adam Alina]

I am betrothed with untrust.

[Ellis Roven]

Oh, a trust. You could have an untrust.

[Mariah Zank]

It has the most barren looking page I've ever seen.

[Ellis Roven]

I just wrote it on our.

[Mariah Zank]

On the anagram generator, not on the anagram generator.

[Andrew]

Wow. It's like truthiness.

[Ellis Roven]

Did I beat the system?

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think so.

[Adam Alina]

You know, and I also never said that you couldn't use a letter twice, which is why it didn't show up

[David Imel]

on the Oxford English Dictionary. Says the word is now obsolete.

[Adam Alina]

Mariah, is it AI overview or not?

[Mariah Zank]

It was, but now he's on another competing dictionary website.

[Adam Alina]

Let's hear your word and then we'll.

[David Imel]

We'll.

[Adam Alina]

We'll. We'll adjudicate it.

[Ellis Roven]

Let's hear your word.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is it longer than 5?

[David Imel]

I don't think I can name it. Planet Saturn.

[Andrew]

Oh,

[Ellis Roven]

wow. A planet Six.

[Andrew]

That's a good one.

[Mariah Zank]

So David has five, Andrew has six, and Marques, if the word is real, has seven.

[Ellis Roven]

I have a bunch of sixes that are crossed out to get the seven.

[Andrew]

Ellis and Moriah should decide this because they were the ones who asked the question.

[Adam Alina]

I'm leaning towards.

[Mariah Zank]

I'm sweating right now.

[Adam Alina]

Yeah, of course you are. You're dressed like you live in an igloo. I'm inclined to give them both a point for this one.

[Ellis Roven]

I simply googled unless trust. And it appears to be a word. It's also a movie type, I guess.

[Mariah Zank]

Yeah. Do we want to count using short.

[Adam Alina]

It's a short film on IMDb. That's. I don't know, man.

[Mariah Zank]

You didn't say he couldn't use the same letter twice.

[Adam Alina]

No, I did not say that.

[Mariah Zank]

And I didn't either.

[David Imel]

Yeah, so.

[Andrew]

But.

[Adam Alina]

But yeah. No, I think Marquez gets this one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

Saturn is so good, bro.

[Ellis Roven]

Saturn is really good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Saturn is very.

[Adam Alina]

You do know all the.

[Ellis Roven]

Just for the record, you had other.

[David Imel]

Wait, what if I do Saturns plural. You said I could plural it.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, but it's Saturn. No, but Saturn's.

[David Imel]

What?

[Marques Brownlee]

That's not plural.

[Adam Alina]

That's a. That's a possessive.

[David Imel]

But you didn't write that Saturn's one of the planets. That I do know.

[Adam Alina]

That's. That's an abbreviation.

[Ellis Roven]

Trusts. Is that plural? I don't know. I guess I'll take.

[Adam Alina]

I think. I think.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam Alina]

I guess we have to go to Marquez.

[David Imel]

Fair spare.

[Marques Brownlee]

I would give it to Marquez. The.

[Adam Alina]

The grape I was thinking of was Muscat.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew]

I didn't. The only type of grape I know is grape.

[Adam Alina]

You don't know conquered grape?

[Andrew]

No.

[Ellis Roven]

Red?

[David Imel]

Green.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Cotton candy.

[Adam Alina]

Cotton candy.

[Ellis Roven]

Grape.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cotton candy.

[Adam Alina]

And now you guys know a Muscat grape.

[Andrew]

What is that?

[Marques Brownlee]

Is that a wine grape?

[Adam Alina]

It's a grape. They make wine out.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Ellis Roven]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Thought so.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Learn something new.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm a comm.

[Andrew]

All right, next question after that. What was supposed to be an easy question?

[Ellis Roven]

I need an eraser.

[David Imel]

Can I get an eraser Straw.

[Mariah Zank]

The way you said that, like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because when you read a word backwards,

[Mariah Zank]

like it's like you've never heard it before.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's like, oh, oh, straw.

[Andrew]

Okay, so we spoke about Samsung before, but they do make. Oh, the big ones besides displays and refrigerators and phones and all that stuff.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

They also make a thing with the name 6.

[Marques Brownlee]

6.

[Andrew]

The Samsung SE130LC 2. What type of thing is it?

[Adam Alina]

I have not seen the answer to this question.

[Mariah Zank]

Se else you can take a guess.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, you can take a guess too.

[Adam Alina]

Take a Saturn SE130LC2.

[Andrew]

I will accept the like category of thing that it is category if you want as well as. As actually what it is.

[Ellis Roven]

I'll take both.

[David Imel]

Category. Category.

[Andrew]

You can't. It has to be specific. You can't be. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Household item. Do you think it's like a worldly object? Sink. Oh, sink. Could it be a sink?

[Andrew]

Flip him and Reed. What do you got?

[Marques Brownlee]

Put lawnmower. Lawnmower.

[Ellis Roven]

It's kind of hoping it's a tank. No, I put excavator.

[David Imel]

Andrew, what you put microwave.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's probably microwave.

[Andrew]

It is actually washing machine.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

Ellis, what'd you put?

[Adam Alina]

What did David.

[Marques Brownlee]

I put lawnmower.

[Adam Alina]

I think it's a bulldozer.

[Andrew]

A bulldozer. Interesting.

[David Imel]

That's.

[Andrew]

You would have gotten a point. But Marquez actually gets the point because it is actually an excavator. I can't even say that word.

[David Imel]

There's no way.

[Andrew]

It is straight up a construction vehicle. Specifically a crawler. Excavator.

[Ellis Roven]

No way. Let's go.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was a completely random.

[Andrew]

He said it earlier and I was like, I really, really hope he gets it, dude.

[Adam Alina]

It's a completely random guess. Unless you hang out on Wikipedia and you know, one of the largest subsidiaries of Samsung is Samsung Heavy Machines.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, you could argue that a lawnmower excavates grass.

[Adam Alina]

Grass from the lawn.

[Marques Brownlee]

From the lawn.

[Adam Alina]

That's true.

[Andrew]

But you wouldn't call it an excavator.

[Ellis Roven]

Yeah, I might.

[Adam Alina]

Well, it was just my cavator until it broke up with me.

[Ellis Roven]

Jesus. I think that's where we end this podcast. Yes. That's pretty good. I'm very happy to end this pod on my most successful trivia run in recent memory.

[Andrew]

That's true. What do, baby?

[Ellis Roven]

Very excited about the points. We'll do a score update on the screen, I'm sure just to really lock that one in. Hopefully get it right. But yeah, thanks for. It's still January. That's crazy. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening, thanks for subscribing and we'll see you very soon in February

[Marques Brownlee]

when it's even colder.

[Ellis Roven]

Peace out.

[David Imel]

Waveform is produced by Adam Alina, Ellis Roven and and Mariah Zank. We are partner of the Vox Media podcast network and a TR outro music was created by Vane Sil.

[Ellis Roven]

Bingo.

[David Imel]

Let's go.

[Ellis Roven]

This is. This is why it's the news of the year. Honestly, to me, yeah, I know we were thinking OLED, MacBook Pro and like them killing like other products in the folding iPhone, but this, this is what we were waiting for when I totally worth a meeting.