Is the Pixel 9 Better than the 10?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: Is the Pixel 9 Better than the 10?
Date: September 5, 2025
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (A), Andrew Manganelli (B), David Imel (C), Adam (D), Ellis (E)

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Overview

This week, Marques and the Waveform crew dive deep into "peak smartphone season," tackling the biggest questions and rumors around the newly released Google Pixel 10 versus Pixel 9, the peculiarities of smartphone camera sensors, UI quirks, and early insights into the upcoming iPhone 17 and Samsung Galaxy S25 launch events. They also discuss camera preferences, software limitations, and a slew of other gadget-adjacent debates, including alarm habits and subscription shenanigans. The episode blends hands-on opinions and lighthearted banter, offering an insider’s look at 2025’s most anticipated tech releases.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Pixel 10 Launch: Early Impressions & Quirks

[02:28–06:43]

• The hosts and several team members now have the Pixel 10 in hand ("Everybody who ordered a Pixel 10 now has it" – A, 02:56).
• Adam jokingly reveals he used the Pixel 10 Pro's temperature sensor when sick—comparing its readings to a real thermometer:

  “I found the one person in the world who used the temperature sensor on the Pixel 10 Pro. And it is I.” (D, 03:58)
  “Within a degree.” (D, 04:14)

• General agreement the Pixel 10's design and color options (ex: “Lemongrass” vs. “Lemon Cello”) are strong, but branding confuses staff.
• Marques reflects on his annual phone-switching cycle, anticipating annoyance with hardware or software flaws in the Pixel 10:

  “Within four months I will get really annoyed with something hardware related, probably the cameras or battery ... and then I will get really annoyed with that phone's worst software. And I will switch back to the Pixel ... That'll all happen within about 12 months.” (A, 05:50)

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2. Pixel 10 Camera Controversy: Is the 9 Actually Better?

[10:23–15:44]

• Debate centers on whether the Pixel 10’s base model camera is a downgrade from the Pixel 9, as Google swapped in the 9A sensor.
• Andrew summarizes:

  “If you had a Pixel 9 and upgraded to a Pixel 10, you are sacrificing some camera quality to get the rest of the upgrades of the Pixel 10, which does not look good on paper.” (A, 11:20)

• Online reviews noted decent daylight shots but worse low-light performance (more glare, “astigmatism”/flare).
• David laments:

  “The processing every year is getting further and further away from the iPhone ... especially in video ... I would rather use Halide on an iPhone and take straight RAW photos ... those raws look better to me than the raws out of the Pixel.” (C, 14:03)

• General agreement: pixel processing style now feels less "natural," and camera experience is less consistent compared to earlier Pixels.

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3. Personal Camera Setups and New Gear

[15:52–19:04]

• Marques reveals he just purchased the Hasselblad X2D Mark II, excited by improved autofocus and advanced features:

  “Files are gonna be so worth it ... I have 30 minutes, I get one photo out of this. ... Now they’ve added lidar ... It’s much better.” (A, 16:46–18:06)

• Banter over how the pro camera trend is influencing team habits, the joys and limits of high-res gear and print use.

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4. Samsung S25 FE and Tri-Fold Rumors

[20:16–24:25]

• Marques recaps the S25 FE: a $649 version with Exynos 2400 chip and slightly downgraded specs but many S25 features.
• Rumors swirl about a Samsung “Tri fold” phone shipping by end of 2025, with speculation about pricing ($3,000), durability vs. Huawei models, and the push to make foldables potentially replace laptops.

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5. iPhone Alarm App UI Oddity + Alarm Setting Habits

[31:48–37:50]

• The crew laughs about the iPhone alarm app, where the hour/minute lists aren’t circular:

  “It is not a circle. It is just a really, really long list of numbers 1 through 12 in the alarm.” (B, 32:28)

• Discussion about snooze duration (default 9 minutes until iOS 26), alarm use philosophies (“shouldn’t have snooze” says David; A/B are one-snooze or no-snooze types).
• Playful analysis of team members’ alarm bloat and the madness of managing “too many alarms.”

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6. iPhone 17 Rumor Roundup

[42:16–54:22]

• New Design: Rectangle camera cutout spanning the width (“liquid glass”), possibly for aesthetics or minor internal changes.

  “It is specifically a rectangle and not a square. And it goes all the way across the device.” (C, 44:24)

• Camera: All three cameras to be 48MP; Pro Max to get bigger battery/thicker body.
• Air Variant:
  • Ultra-thin (5.5mm), 6.6” display, single 48MP camera, A19 chip, possibly Promotion (120Hz, "maybe 60–120," speculation over 1–120 vs. 60–120).
  • Priced ~$900, likely replacing the Plus.
  • No 5G mmWave.
  • Colorways: Pro gets black, white, dark blue, and (allegedly) orange; Air in black, silver, gold, light blue.

  “The rumor right now is the pro iPhone, all the iPhones are supposed to have promotion…” (C, 55:21)

• Apple Watch SE: Rumored to shift to plastic, targeted at kids; focus on child-safety/affordability.
• AirPods Pro: Possible heart-rate monitoring, redesigned charging case, new H3 chip, no physical pairing button.
• Marques plans to test new iPhone video features by filming with it for his own channel.

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7. Sony Xperia 1 VII Debacle

[69:47–71:59]

• Sony's flagship hit headlines after a major hardware flaw (bad circuit boards) caused mass failures and sales freezes.

• “Apparently after being announced in May and then released in June, they had multiple reports of the phone just straight up rebooting, shutting down and then not turning back on.” (B, 70:43)

• Phones are (finally) available again, but the overpriced, unseen release cycle perpetuates Sony’s poor smartphone reputation.

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8. Tech Subscriptions and Family Plan Crackdowns

[72:05–79:17]

• YouTube Premium now flags “family” accounts not sharing a household. The crew jokes about their own multi-family setups, bemoan upcoming crackdown.
• Reflection on the difference between “family” and “roommate” plans, and how streaming services are systematically closing loopholes previously used by friends or distant family.
• Discussion expands to the absurdity of YouTube Premium's "pro" features being basic usability features (offline download, PIP).

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9. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Pixel Camera Quality

“If you had a Pixel 9 and upgraded to a Pixel 10, you are sacrificing some camera quality to get the rest of the upgrades … that's an easy headline. That does not look great.”
—Marques (A), 11:20

Alarm UI

“It is not a circle. It is just a really, really long list of numbers 1 through 12 in the alarm.”
—Andrew (B), 32:28

Annual Phone Switch

“Within four months I will get really annoyed with something hardware related … then I will get really annoyed with that phone’s worst software. And I will switch back to the Pixel … That’ll all happen within about 12 months.”
—Marques (A), 05:50

Apple Event Predictability

“Apple is the company that doesn’t prebrief anyone ... seven times out of ten, I feel like I have a pretty good handle ... three times out of ten I'll show up and I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna leave.”
—Marques (A), 57:23

'Family' Plan Crackdown

“Why is it even called the family plan? It should be called the roommate plan.”
—David (C), 79:17

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|---------------------| | 02:28 | Pixel 10 hands-on, color names, wallet accessories | | 03:58 | Real-life Pixel 10 Pro thermometer use | | 05:50 | Marques’s phone-switching pattern | | 10:23 | Pixel 10 camera downgrade debate | | 14:03 | iPhone vs. Pixel RAW photo processing | | 16:46 | Marques buys Hasselblad X2D Mark II | | 20:16 | Samsung S25 FE and trifold rumors | | 31:48 | iPhone alarm app UI oddity | | 42:16 | iPhone 17 rumors roundup | | 44:24 | New "rectangle" camera housing design | | 55:21 | Promotion (120Hz) possibly coming to all iPhones | | 69:47 | Sony Xperia 1 VII hardware debacle | | 72:05 | YouTube Premium & family plan crackdown | | 79:17 | Final reflection on family vs. roommate plans |

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Tone & Vibe

• Casual, humorous, deeply informed tech banter.
• Lively group dynamic marked by in-jokes, gentle mockery, shared personal gadget stories, and plenty of off-the-cuff analogies.
• Passionate but measured critiques—especially about camera technology, software quirks, and hardware design choices.

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Closing Thoughts

A classic Waveform episode, blending real-world usage anecdotes, side-by-side device and software analysis, and timely rumor roundups as "Techtember" ramps up. The hosts, drawing on years of experience, break down the most pressing questions for smartphone upgraders, sparking laughs and nerd rants—whether about why a list isn’t circular or how soon all your “family” might be kicked off YouTube Premium.

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For dedicated time breakdowns on major topics, see table above. All ad reads, intros, and outros are omitted for clarity.

Transcript

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[B]

You want to see?

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I feel like I know which one you are. Just based on the way you asked me that. I feel like I know which one you are.

[B]

I feel like you knew before you.

[C]

Even asked the question.

[A]

Yo, what's up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[B]

I'm Andrew.

[C]

And I'm David. And.

[A]

And this week, you know, I just watched a video about my own voice that someone else made on YouTube and now I hear my own voice differently in this microphone and I'm trying to ignore that. Anyway, this week there's a whole bunch of tech stuff. We're recording this right before iPhone event and Galaxy unpacked. So by the time you hear this, one of those has happened. And one of those is about to happen. There's also Some more Pixel 10 camera stuff we want to talk about, along with a Sony Xperia 77 debacle. And we also have peak smartphone season, like just here on the horizon. It's right, it's about to happen.

[C]

It's next week.

[B]

I mean, it's tech timber.

[A]

It's tech.

[B]

That's what I should say.

[A]

That is very exciting. So, yeah, we can sort of just jump right into that.

[B]

Do you Know how we know this is peak smartphone season?

[C]

How?

[B]

The whole crew is back today. We are actually all here.

[C]

We did it.

[B]

We are recording on a Tuesday because you would have been out tomorrow.

[C]

But still not back to normalcy.

[B]

But not quite. But all five of us are here.

[A]

As close as it's ever been.

[B]

No random Mariah or Miles jumping in without an introduction 15 minutes into the episode.

[A]

And there's always everybody who ordered a Pixel 10 now has it.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

Including Adam over there. Is that a MagSafe wallet, by the way?

[D]

That is a Magsafe wallet.

[E]

Pixel Snap wallet.

[C]

No, no, no, not officially.

[A]

Probably not officially. It's probably a Magsafe.

[C]

That is patina.

[A]

It's got Apple logo.

[D]

I'm using it with my. No, no. Is a distil union. So I've had it for a couple years. It's got some nice patina, but it works with Pixel Snap branding on branding on branding.

[A]

So you're using no Case on your phone.

[D]

No case.

[A]

How's the no case pixel 10 life.

[D]

Been so much better.

[C]

Are you the one that bought that, like, really thin magnet to put on your galaxy fold?

[D]

Yes, I did the stickers, but those don't work.

[A]

Until they don't.

[D]

Yeah, they're annoying.

[A]

It's kind of a hack.

[C]

Yeah. The Pixel 10 does have stabilizing magnets that actually makes sure that things stay in place. So that is better.

[E]

Adam, you were sick last week, and you told a pretty funny pixel story in the kitchen earlier about. While you were sick.

[D]

Yeah, I found the one person in the world who used the temperature sensor on the Pixel 10 Pro. And it is I. Because last week I was sick and I was sitting in my room bored, and I had a thermometer in one hand and a pixel in the other.

[B]

I'm like, you know what?

[D]

Let's see how close they get.

[A]

How close are they?

[D]

Within a degree.

[C]

So it wasn't bad.

[B]

The.

[D]

The actual thermometer said 99. The phone said 98. So it was like, is it officially.

[C]

Rated for humans yet? Because I remember when it came out, it was not.

[A]

Well, it's rated for humans.

[D]

I don't know what rated for humans means, but it does work.

[C]

When it first came out on, like, the 8 Pro or whatever phone got it. It was like, you can't officially use this on people.

[B]

I think it wasn't one of the options.

[D]

Yeah, now there's an option for human.

[E]

It got the right IP rating. Yeah, it's people.

[A]

It is funny because 98 is your fine. 99 is. You're not fine.

[B]

It literally did.

[C]

Almost got it.

[D]

Fine line.

[A]

Almost got it.

[C]

Yeah. And we say that Fahrenheit is better because of its nuance.

[A]

Fair enough. Andrew, you also have your Pixel 10. You have your. Your lemongrass.

[B]

My lemongrass. I realized we convinced everyone in the studio to call it Lemon Cello because we were calling it that for so.

[C]

Long because that used to be called that.

[B]

Yeah. Non Pixel users in the studio were like, I think Tim came up to me. He's like, what is it actually called? Because I've been hearing Lemon Cello nonstop. But I do Beautiful yellow person.

[A]

It's even worse.

[B]

It's in a blue case right now. Just until I get my. I'm specifically getting a ghost case for this color because.

[A]

Okay. Clear. Yeah.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

Yeah. It's definitely not.

[B]

15% of my diet is.

[C]

I really wish I could criticize you publicly, but I can't because I have grass on my laptop and it's just, you know, I could say that's ugly.

[B]

But it's a nice compare. They. They go well together.

[A]

Opportunity for me to show you the best color.

[C]

Yeah, that's the best.

[A]

Which is. I'm still using the Moonstone 10 Pro and actually ended the video with a real prediction for how I think this is going to go. I'm going to switch and I have currently using this phone, I got my ESIM in it and everything as my daily driver. And then within four months I will get really annoyed with something hardware related, probably the cameras or battery. And I will switch to a new phone that has way better cameras or battery. And then I will get really annoyed with that phone's worst software. And I will switch back to the Pixel and then I'll get really annoyed with the way the Pixel is aging and I'll switch back to something else. And that'll all happen within about 12 months.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And then the new versions of both those phones will come out and it's.

[A]

Like, just keep going.

[C]

You do have the. The XL though. So if you get annoyed with battery, you at least.

[A]

Well, I have it, but I'm using the regular. Yeah, but yeah, I guess the XL thing is The Excel has a 02 or 0.3 inch bigger screen. It only has a 200 milliamp hour larger battery, but it charges quicker. That's fair.

[B]

Yeah. And MagSafe. Right. Because it's G2.2.

[C]

It charges wired faster as well.

[B]

It's wired faster too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

45 versus 35.

[C]

30.

[B]

Can I talk about a Complaint I have with this.

[A]

Yes, you can.

[B]

It is extremely specific, but feels dumbfoundingly stupid.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. I have plenty of other complaints trying to, like, get from my. My Samsung S24 to this phone in terms of, like, the customization. But a lot of them were just, like, weird little things like this search bar being under the dock before it was switched. I had my dock first with the search bar above it. You cannot change that. I can get used to that. You still at a glance camp. You can turn at a glance off, but you still lose the screen. Real estate, it stays there. But my biggest complaint is in this search bar. If you want to try and customize it, which is something you can sort of can do if you've ever been to your Google settings. You can play along with me if you'd like. Go to your Google. Go to your Google settings while you're driving. There's a whole box called customize search widget. Right. You see this? Okay, for those of you who aren't Pixel users, the search bar on the bottom of a pixel is. It has to stay there. It's baked in. You can only change it from light and dark mode. But in this customized search widget, you can do light, dark, device, which does it in theme colors of, like, material U Expressive.

[C]

That's cool.

[B]

Really cool. Really on brand for what they're doing. You can even do custom colors. You can change the transparency of the bar itself. Okay, you can change. So there's the microphone icon, Google lens icon. And now it's been adding one to the right, which you can change the shortcut.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Different things. Want to know what this does? This adds another widget to your home screen instead of actually changing.

[C]

Wait, so you.

[B]

The search bar on the bottom.

[C]

So you can't. And you can't.

[B]

You can't change the search bar on the bottom. It's just device, theme, light or dark. Can't change the shortcut now if you want to do all those cool changes.

[C]

That's insane.

[B]

It's another widget. Because everybody wants two search bars on their phone.

[C]

I mean, who. Yeah.

[D]

Don't you.

[B]

This makes no.

[C]

This is really stupid screenshot of that to Adam now.

[A]

Yeah, that is actually kind of dumb.

[B]

This is.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Expressive. It's expressive, Andrew.

[B]

It literally does all the things about the new software and Material three Expressive. Except you can't.

[A]

I thought you'd found a setting where you could change the settings of that bottom search bar. I was like, whoa, that's pretty great.

[C]

I want to express yourself by having Two search bars for no reason.

[B]

I'm just going to do a whole page full of different themes.

[D]

Into it.

[C]

I like that.

[A]

That would be nice.

[B]

So, yeah, I. I think my final thought is, as much as I'm excited to be on Pixel, I am enjoying it. I kind of think one UI is more customizable than this ui.

[A]

More. Yeah, yeah. They. I think Samsung, even One Plus's software, whatever. Oxygen, Oxygen os, home screens, like, they'll all find little things to throw in to let you tweak their home screen.

[C]

More, but they're not expressive.

[B]

And is my expression not customizable?

[C]

No.

[A]

Yeah, there's. Yeah, a little less you can do on the pixel.

[E]

30% less. This is what they meant when they said there was a 30% jump in rebelliousness. They were rebelling against you messing with.

[C]

Your rebelling against freedom.

[B]

That made me really sad. Yeah, that just feels really stupid. Please fix that. I would love for my search bar.

[E]

To look, tone it back down to like 10% rebelliousness.

[C]

Yeah, stupid, stupid. Okay, well, also that was fun for you.

[B]

It was a joy. I have other pixels. Something in here if you guys want to talk about it. And this was. We posted our review. Lots of other people posted their reviews. A lot of comments I saw in ours and others and articles and people have done videos on this is people asking if the Pixel 10 base is worse than the Pixel 9 base phone, specifically about their cameras. Because it seems as though the Pixel 10 has new sense. They have three cameras, but the main wide is a 48 megapixel f 1.71 over 2 inch sensor. Is that.

[A]

And then half inch. Yeah.

[B]

When it used to be 50 megapixels, 1.71 over 1 and 1.3 inch sensor. I'm terrible at the vocabulary here, but it's the Pixel 9A camera sensor, essentially. I do have the base version, but I didn't use a Pixel 9 to compare to.

[A]

Yeah. So in theory, if you had a Pixel 9 and upgraded to a Pixel 10, you are sacrificing some camera quality to get the rest of the upgrades of the Pixel 10, which does not look good on paper. That's an easy headline. That does not look great. In my head, it feels like there are people at Google who were like, how do we further separate the Pixel 10 and 10 Pro? And they're like, well, we'll use the 9A cameras in the 10 and then some bigger sensors in the 10 Pro. And that's probably what they did just to make it a little bit more recognizable of A difference. It's still not very much of a difference between those phones, but that is definitely a bummer. If you had a Pixel 9 and you specifically love the cameras, you would like the TENS cameras less yet.

[B]

Nine to five. Google did a video on it and they actually had like an insert right before they posted it of some camera comparisons. And it was looking good, almost better in a lot of photos until it hit low light. And it seems like the low light capabilities of the Pixel 10 wide versus the Pixel 9 wide.

[C]

That's what'll happen.

[B]

Yep. Was like pretty rough. Some. Some of the glare issues were like. It looked like the Pixel 10 had like astigmatism.

[A]

I have seen more.

[B]

I was gonna.

[A]

I didn't mention it in my 10 Pro review, but there was more glare in the 10 Pro's camera than last year also, which was interesting. Cause you know how the iPhone at night, when you ever shoot video with like point lights, there's crazy glare.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It started that during the daytime with the Pixel, although it was a car headlight, so like it wasn't insane, but it was still more than I expected.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

Anamorphic.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Need more anti flare coatings. Yeah.

[D]

Do you think this is going to be a trend moving forward where the base model will always have the A version's sensor of the previous generation?

[A]

I don't think so. I think that's going to be a uniquely Pixel thing because the Pixel is almost uniquely lacking in the hardware department compared to some other more competitive flagships. I think it would be really weird if the iPhone 17 had the. The. What is it? The E. The 16E's camera. Oh, no, but.

[D]

Well, that's a good point. But I was asking about the Pixel.

[A]

Oh, and the Pixel. I could see the Pixel continuing.

[C]

I could see it because they need to order a bunch of those sensors for the A series and if they can use some of those for the. The next line, then it's useful for them. They save a lot of money that way. Yeah.

[B]

So I think this is a perfect example of like, it calls back to the event of how much it was for like the masses that they were willing to sacrifice sensor quality for the third camera on the base. Because the people who are buying those are probably the like, not us. Well, except for.

[C]

Yeah, I guess I'm an idiot, but couldn't be me.

[B]

But like, yeah, most people aren't gonna be like, oh, that sensor is smaller. They're gonna be like, oh, there's a third camera. Yeah, and that sounds great.

[C]

I don't know about you guys. I've been using it for a couple weeks and I feel like the Pro features that they are adding are very cool and the team is going hard like adding all these manual controls and manual mode and stuff. But I feel like the processing every year is getting further and further away from the iPhone. Like I feel like the iPhone is just starting to run away with it, especially in video, obviously, because the iPhone has always been ahead in video. But like I would rather use like halide on an iPhone and take a straight RAW photo and edit that. And those raws look better to me than the raws out of the pixel.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Because the raw. The pixel can do native RAW. They can. It can save a sub subsequent RAW plus JPEG. But the RAWs out of the iPhone look way better than they do out of the Pixel. The Pixel 6 RAW looked freaking awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then it's just gotten worse since then for some reason.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They started doing the whole Pro RAW thing though. I think that that's probably why like they don't call it ProRAW, but they have like a merged like some processing.

[A]

In the RAW on the pixel you're talking about.

[C]

Yeah, they started that in the 8 Pro. Yeah.

[A]

I also think that, I mean if you just look at straight like point and shoot process photos, the iPhone, I mean video, it's not really a contest. The iPhone's just been that much better. But in, in photo, in flat photos from the iPhone, they just keep, they just keep flattening everything out still. And the pixel still has the look of like the contrast.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like they still have the confident like, you know, but it's contrast.

[C]

So much contrast.

[A]

But yeah, you look at that from these bigger, newer sensors versus how it used to look when they were using those older, smaller sensors and it's, it's a. It definitely changed. It's just not quite as natural feeling anymore.

[C]

Yeah, 100%.

[A]

It's good thing I take all my pictures on mirrorless.

[B]

Well, good.

[A]

Good thing.

[B]

You're. Yes. Soon going to be. Would you like to explain?

[A]

Well, you know, I did it.

[E]

You really was.

[D]

This is news to us.

[B]

You said it this morning.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

So when does it get here?

[C]

Well, can you explain for those.

[A]

I watched. What I did was I had a couple flights and I downloaded a whole Bunch of Hasselblad X2D Mark 2 reviews to watch on the plane.

[C]

Yeah, that's a good idea.

[A]

So of course I watched all the reviews and everyone was like, it's a great camera, Marques. And I was like, yeah, you. Right.

[C]

So.

[A]

So I went back to my B and H tab and I hit checkout. So I think mid September is when I'm supposed to get my X2D Mark II. Did end up buying it, X2D. And I'm very, very, very excited about it. And I also got the 30, the 35 to 100.

[D]

I was just going to ask what lens?

[B]

Compact.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Well, it's not going to be compact. This is a. This is a big. I mean, if you watch these reviews, like, a lot of them are coming from people who have shot a lot of Hasselblad in the past and they're, you know, I'm jogging.

[C]

That's what we call them.

[A]

I'm jogging my memory of all the previous times I've been when I heavily use the Hasselblad cameras, which is like, okay, the autofocus is slow. It's single shot. It's gonna slow you down. The shutter is gonna slow you down. The whole big clunkiness of this camera is gonna slow you down. But the files are gonna be so worth it. And the raws are gonna slow your computer down. And it's gonna be great. But it's like, I wouldn't wanna shoot, you know, regular point and shoot, run and gun anything else with this. This is just like I found a bug on a pedal. And this is. I have 30 minutes. I get one photo out of this. Right. So all the reviews are talking about how that was always true and it felt kind of like an excuse or a crutch. And all the things that they added to this camera. The much better autofocus they added lidar, which works in conjunction with the phase detect and the contrast autofocus. It's much better. There's also AI eye detection, vehicle detection, face detection, PET detection, and continuous autofocus. Most importantly, which makes it incredibly easy to literally point and shoot and track moving objects on a medium format. 10 stop IBIS 100 megapixel shot.

[C]

I'm glad that you've figured out an excuse. Yeah. Because it was always going to happen.

[E]

When are we going to start shooting videos?

[A]

On literally doesn't shoot video. There's no video mode at all. I bet it would look sick.

[C]

Sick. At least they officially just scrapped the video mode because on the X1D it said video coming soon since the beginning. And they never added it.

[E]

Are you serious?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Wasn't there a physical button too? I think maybe.

[C]

I think there was a switch or something on it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think a long. If you Go back long enough there was like a video switch and you'd switch it and it would just go not yet.

[C]

Yeah, everything video coming later and it just never came later. Yeah, yeah. And eventually they're just like, yeah, that ain't us. Yeah.

[A]

But I do think video from a medium format sensor with 10 stops of IBIS would look.

[C]

I mean I shoot video on my GFX100 mark to do lenses like cooperate with that. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't need autofocus. Oh yeah.

[A]

Well imagine if you also had autofocus. That'd be pretty crazy.

[B]

My grandmother had.

[C]

She walked up and down the street in the snow in her bare feet. Yeah.

[B]

After our conversation last week about cameras, I've been on like every used looking at either whatever I can find first basically MSRP of like a GR3 or a X100.

[C]

Look at all you guys becoming. We've only.

[B]

I've only sit next to you for like six years.

[C]

First I got Ellis, then we had ad and you guys are. Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Poked Rich this morning I was like that Fuji hasn't moved in a while. If you ever want to sell it, let me know.

[C]

It really has not. That's what's in there for a long time. Yeah. Okay. Well I'm glad you guys are on team. I just use my phone still image.

[B]

I. It's fun to just like pay attention to taking the photo. Also it's fun taking pictures of Lane, if I'm being completely honest. I'll borrow the X2D one day.

[A]

Honestly, that's a good printed out life size. Yeah, it's a good test. I mean the.

[C]

I would not want a photo that high resolution of me as a baby. Yeah, when she grows up she's gonna be like, whoa.

[B]

No, when she grows up she'll be like, why does this look so bad?

[C]

Oh true. Yeah.

[A]

But we can also talk about this upcoming Samsung event which has some phones and tablets.

[C]

It's no longer upcoming. When you're listening and watching this.

[E]

Didn't they just do an event?

[C]

Yeah, they did.

[A]

There's another one happening.

[E]

They're both unpacked.

[B]

Ellis, it's tech timber. Come on.

[C]

We know for sure.

[A]

Is this your first techtember Elvis?

[E]

I don't remember. This is my. This is my fourth tech timber with you, Marques. I think I do not remember Samsung hitting us with a 1, 2 ever.

[A]

This is a pretty unique one too.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. They're doing the FE.

[A]

The S25 FE. Essentially a cheaper way to get the S25 experience. But yeah, Cheaper. And so they've made a couple sacrifices to get it to be a lower price. It's an Exynos chip. That's kind of the main thing. It's an Exynos 2400, I believe, if my notes are correct and it's 649.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So if you are willing to go $150 cheaper on a brand new phone from Samsung and you want essentially the S25 experience, you still get a 50 megapixel main camera and then a 12 megapixel ultra wide and an 8 megapixel 3X telephoto. It's still IP68. Same materials as the S25S. It's 7.4 millimeters thin. It's the same software. It's one UI 8 at launch. It's got all the AI stuff. It's just a little cheaper, a little cheaper. And that's the S25FE.

[C]

Yeah. The one thing we don't know is whether or not the Trifold was announced yesterday.

[A]

Yeah. That could be a surprise announcement.

[C]

If it is, all the rumors I'm.

[B]

Reading today on Tuesday say don't expect it this week.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Except we are supposed to get one by the end of the year according to Samsung Month or year?

[C]

Year according to Samsung.

[B]

According to Samsung month.

[C]

According to the rumors. Rumors.

[D]

Oh you don't think they could announce it and be like it's coming early next year or something like that or it's going to be out out by the end of this year.

[C]

Yeah, they didn't.

[B]

I thought they said coming by end of this year or coming this year.

[D]

Yeah, they announced it.

[C]

I want it.

[B]

Well, I would assume that ships I would assume that ships not just announces. I could see it maybe getting announced at the end of Friday's event or.

[A]

Like teased one more thing.

[B]

But Thursdays. But honestly like October is pretty. What events are coming up in October? None that we know of. Right. Get their own month.

[C]

Well in September we've probably got the Meta glasses. That's like in a. That's like a rumor.

[B]

Well their Meta Connect is.

[C]

Is in September. Is mid September. I don't know. You're missing.

[B]

I would launch it in October. The iPhone.

[C]

Yeah. Oh yeah.

[B]

I'd go next week. Damn, we got three damn dense weeks here.

[A]

Yeah, it's September.

[E]

Well, what if Apple announces the Samsung.

[C]

Trifolds at their event?

[A]

One more as the one more thing.

[E]

Didn't expect one more thing.

[C]

Samsung has innovated. Yeah. I mean Google would announce the Samsung Trifold at a Google event, to be honest.

[A]

Oh, triggered my Gemini.

[C]

Sorry, you woke her up.

[B]

What triggered Gemini? Oh, just Google.

[D]

Do you think that the Samsung Trifold will be up to par with what we've seen so far from Huawei?

[C]

Yeah, it'll be better.

[D]

You think it'll be better?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You don't think they're playing catch up?

[C]

The Huawei one, I feel like I'm gonna break every time I open it because it opens a weird way.

[D]

Don't they have a new one now?

[C]

They do, but it's the same.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. I kind of get the same feeling using the Huawei one. Sometimes you use a device and you just get the feeling that this one was designed to be first.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just as long as it's good enough to get out first. It'll come out like the.

[C]

What was the first foldable phone that technically.

[E]

The Royal Flex Spy.

[C]

The Royal Flex Spy. Look at me. That was like. That was like crack, crack, crack, crack when you would open it and.

[A]

Yeah, so it kind of has similar vibes. I do think Samsung is working on a little bit more of a conservative, like, timeline where hopefully their thing is really, really solid and they're going to have a bigger possible customer base to ship to and they're going to. Well, I mean, in the U.S. i guess Huawei ships a lot of phones already, so it's not totally different, but I do think they'll be a little better with their Tri Fold.

[C]

How much do you think the Samsung one's going to cost?

[A]

Oh, good question. Well, so I guess you could just do reductive math. If you just think S25s are right around a thousand, and then Z Fold 7s are dual screen right around 2000.

[C]

So it's.

[A]

Now you're gonna get $3000. Probably somewhere around 3000.

[C]

Geez, can you imagine? But then you don't need a laptop.

[A]

That's the goal.

[E]

Dex.

[C]

Yeah, Adam.

[E]

Yeah, Adam, listen, I love Dex, but.

[D]

I'm not replacing my laptop with putting.

[B]

Decks on that thing. Feels pointless because its whole point is to have a giant screen.

[A]

Yeah, it'll unfold it to like a, like a nine inch screen.

[B]

We're still gonna have those like reflectors, like as our full.

[C]

Dude, this trifold is gonna be bigger than the original. The original Huawei? No, Asus. Nexus 7.

[D]

You're doing great. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[A]

The Z Fold's already bigger than Nexus 7. 7.

[C]

It's going to be bigger than the Nexus 10.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[C]

No, it won't be.

[A]

But I really like the Nexus 10.

[C]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

Dual front facing speakers, little soft touch back.

[C]

Bring it back, baby.

[A]

Antennas in the plastic at the top.

[C]

A lot of money.

[A]

Dang.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. No app support.

[C]

Well, all of this info has already come out, so we're behind. I. I'm sorry. We're supposed to be on the cutting edge. We are currently on the. The zipping edge.

[A]

And that's my bed.

[C]

Yeah, we're closing it up.

[E]

Nice. I was going to ask. That's good. That's good. The zipping edge.

[C]

The zipping edge.

[E]

Well, you know what else is kind of zippy?

[C]

How fast we're about to do trivia.

[D]

No.

[E]

Are we. I messed this up last week.

[C]

Oh, are we not doing trivia?

[D]

No.

[C]

Yeah, why not?

[D]

Hit it, Alice.

[C]

All right.

[A]

What?

[E]

Didn't mess it up this week. Okay, so, Andrew, as you mentioned earlier, you guys confuse the heck out of everyone in the office calling that thing Lemon Cello when it's actually Lemongrass. However, that is not the most annoying name swap. Color name colorway branding exercise action that Google's ever done. Because in the history of Pixeldom, there have been not one, not two, but three orange. Google Pixels.

[C]

Orange or yellow?

[A]

Orange. Yeah, I remember one of them. Two of them.

[C]

Like, does this. Is this considered orange to you?

[A]

Is the salmon one orange?

[C]

Is this considered orange to you?

[B]

Why would that be considered orange?

[D]

Why aren't you pointing to Marquez Blue?

[C]

No, no, it's yellow. Ellis, is Lemon Cello orange to you?

[E]

I don't know.

[C]

David.

[E]

Is lemoncello orange to you?

[C]

No, but I'm asking a clarifying question.

[E]

In what world? Take me through the thought process.

[C]

We have disagreed on crazier things. That's all I'm saying.

[E]

Anyway, Pixel has released three orange phones in the history of Pixeldom, I need you to give me all three names for orange.

[C]

Is it one point each?

[B]

Yes.

[E]

There are three points to be awarded with this question.

[C]

Is orange and pink the same thing?

[A]

Dude, there is definitely like a Canon telling.

[C]

Well, I'm just saying, I guarantee you, when you read us the answers, one of them is gonna be pink.

[E]

David.

[C]

I guarantee.

[B]

Well, actually, I'll argue that it's okay.

[E]

Is the Pixel 6 color, which I will not say anymore. Right now. Do you want that to qualify as an orange?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yep. I want the availability of the point.

[B]

Yeah. It's not getting you.

[C]

It's fine. It's fine. I've been outvoted. It's fine. It's okay. We live in a democratic room, so.

[A]

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[B]

All right, welcome back. We've got a big Apple rumor roundup we're going to get into, but since we're talking about iPhones, I'm. I saw something funny on reels and then I've seen it all over the Internet since I think. David, you said you saw it.

[A]

I also saw it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you seen this iPhone alarm app thing? No one's. Or can you unlock your iPhone? I want to show it to you.

[A]

Bang.

[B]

Okay, so we're going to go into the alarms. You're going to start a new one and I want you to scroll and just keep scrolling on the hour side.

[D]

Oh, I saw this.

[B]

Of the app. Just keep going, keep going, keep going.

[C]

Marquez's.

[B]

Well, keep going.

[A]

It's just one through 12.

[C]

Just keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

[B]

Just keep going as fast as you can. This is riveting. There it is. And it stops. It is not a circle. It is just a really, really long list of numbers 1 through 12 in the alarm.

[A]

Why is this so concerning? This is really concerning.

[C]

That's when you know, whoa. All technology is just a series of small pins stacked on top of each other.

[A]

This is held together with duct table.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[E]

And Sam often thinks we're close to AGI.

[C]

They can't even make us circle.

[A]

Wow, that's really funny.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it a minute the same way you think or no?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Is it what the minutes I just saw that.

[B]

Oh, I'm not sure.

[C]

I'm not willing to try.

[D]

Yeah, I really want to know why they did that.

[E]

If you write code specifically for the Apple clock app, there has to be a reason. Yeah, there's.

[B]

I mean, it's probably just easier, but this is. Oh, it stopped.

[A]

The minutes end, too.

[B]

The minutes end.

[A]

4, 39. The list ends at 30.

[B]

Imagine AM and PM.

[C]

Is that when the world ends? Is that like the Mayan Secret Mayan Calendar?

[B]

4:39.

[C]

The Secret Mayan clock hidden in the iPhone.

[B]

I wonder.

[E]

I wonder if it was just a. Just a placeholder.

[C]

I think what happened there.

[E]

Yeah, companies do that a lot these days.

[C]

I bet you what happened was that the iPhone, the original iPhone, they, like, didn't yet have a way to just make it circular, which I don't see why they wouldn't have, to be honest.

[A]

But, yeah, what I will say is.

[C]

It'S probably a remnant from that. Nobody ever realized that it was that way still and just never changed it.

[A]

You only just now, on iOS 26, just got the ability to change your snooze duration to not be nine minutes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

It's been a decade of the clock app.

[B]

Wait, the snooze was default nine minutes. That feels like an insane.

[A]

It's been nine minutes for everyone who's ever had an iPhone for the entire history of time until iOS 26. So anytime anyone's ever snoozed an iPhone, it's perfect. Their auto, like, brain memory added nine minutes to the time.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's kind of just like the way it was for forever. And you just got the ability to choose snooze duration in the iPhone.

[C]

No.

[E]

It makes me. You never set an alarm for, like, it's always. There's a 5 or 0 in the minutes, Right?

[B]

Correct.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay. And they're. They're four. With nine minutes of snooze, you have 60 seconds left to get out of bed at a round number.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

That's 50 seconds twice.

[A]

Then you have two minutes.

[C]

And by the time you hit snooze, a few seconds has also gone by, you know, and then you got to get out of bed. So when you're actually standing up, it will be 10 minutes later.

[E]

As someone who hits snooze twice this morning, if you're hitting snooze twice, you're not serious enough to even thinking about.

[C]

Okay, my hot take is we shouldn't have snooze.

[E]

But, dude, that is a hot take.

[C]

You need more. Yeah. Because you need more urgency.

[B]

I okay, there's the last time I snoozed an alarm.

[E]

Wait, I'm sorry. Is urgency orange?

[C]

I think it's sand.

[A]

I was gonna say, before we get into these rumors, there's two types of people, and I would like to hear from each of you which type of person you are. You either have one or two alarms, or you have entirely too many alarms. How many alarms do you have in your clock app right now?

[B]

You wanna see?

[A]

I feel like I know which one you are. Just based on the way you asked me that. I feel like I know which one you are.

[C]

I feel like you knew before you.

[B]

Even asked the question.

[A]

And, Andrew, you used to be one, but now I'm not sure.

[B]

Well, the funny thing is, is I had a lot of alarms, but none of them were for waking up.

[A]

Right?

[B]

They were just my.

[C]

I did delete a bunch last week because I had a bunch of the same ones. Okay, These are. These are the ones I have right now, which is like, eight.

[A]

That's not horrible.

[C]

Two of them say move car. One of them says switch to.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

One of them says get up. One of them says alarm.

[B]

Okay, yeah, I have three right now, but these are very old. One says new Balance, one says dates for waveform, and one says fire tip.

[E]

Okay, good, Marcus, Do I understand? Are you saying, like, in the morning when you wake up, you have an alarm every three minutes going off, or are you specifically talking about how, with the iPhone, you have to create an alarm and then it gets added to a bank, and then even if it's not active, it doesn't get deleted until you physically delete it?

[A]

So it's part that, but it's also part, like, there are people who are just like, I'm gonna take a nap. Let me just set an alarm for 4, 20. Or I'm gonna go remind myself with this alarm, and you just start stacking alarms and you never delete any of them.

[E]

That's what you're talking about?

[C]

What about timers?

[B]

I thought you were talking alarms.

[C]

Cause I have a bunch of timers.

[A]

That's fine.

[C]

That's fine.

[A]

Alarms is crazy.

[E]

Marquez. Let me go get my phone.

[B]

Hold on.

[C]

I thought.

[B]

Marquez, I thought you meant you're either someone who has one alarm and you, like, wake up immediately, or you're someone who knows when the alarm hits, you're gonna, like, delete. Like, stop it. And you have, like, 10 alarms set up for the next.

[A]

That's another duality of man. Yeah, I. I usually snooze once every day.

[B]

I don't yeah, I'm a non snoozer. Well, also, I have another alarm called lean, and it's a lot harder to snooze.

[A]

Fair enough.

[C]

Yeah. My take that we shouldn't have a snooze function because the entire point of the alarm is to wake up. And when. If I wake up and then snooze, if I sleep for 10 more minutes, I feel more tired than the first time I woke up. It's always a trap. So just get up when your alarm goes off like you're supposed to. That's the entire point of the alarm.

[A]

You sound like me, like a month ago when I was arguing about discipline on the phone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Remember that?

[E]

Yeah, I do.

[C]

I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you. No, no, no, I agree.

[D]

I have no discipline. The thing that I do is put the phone on the other side of the room, so you have to get up to go turn it off. And at that point.

[C]

Yeah. I'm not saying I do this better, because what I do is I wake up and then I fall back asleep.

[A]

Right.

[C]

I don't get out of bed.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Like, I just don't think that we should have the capability.

[A]

I also think humans, like, naturally become more comfortable with whatever is happening in their surroundings. So I'm curious if that's ever backfired. Where the alarm across the room one day just isn't enough to get you out of bed.

[D]

No, that's.

[A]

It's really annoying every time.

[D]

Especially because I. I live with my fiance, obviously, so I have to get.

[C]

Up before she yells at you. Okay.

[D]

It does backfire sometimes, though, when it's, like, a weekend and I forgot to, like, set it off, and it goes off at, like, 5:00am or, like, if.

[B]

You have a Monday one. Yesterday was Labor Day. Like, I had things like notifying me that were normal workday things.

[C]

I love waking up at normal time on a holiday.

[A]

It's kind of realizing you get to go back to sleep.

[B]

I'll say I love my watch alarm, but if I happen to be sleeping at, like, the perfect point where my hands are close enough together, like under my pillow on my stomach or something, and the alarm goes off quiet, I think, just like, second nature hits the button immediately, and then it's an hour pass when I'm supposed to wake up. Yeah, that's bad news.

[D]

Wait. While Ellis tells us about his alarms, we also need to check in on his battery life.

[C]

Well, we're charging it. Just charged my phone. Yeah.

[E]

It'S less than 80.

[C]

How long were you charging it for?

[E]

I started charging it right before we started taping, so at 2. So it's been on the charger for an hour and it was off the charger between 8:30. And it should be full.

[A]

It should be full.

[C]

By the way, Peter McKinnon on Threads two nights ago was like, just found the iPhone mini in my drawer. Insane that Apple made this. I kind of want to use it again. Anybody else? They're using this. And I wanted to tag Ellis, but he doesn't have a thread.

[E]

Threads?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

76%.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

Really?

[C]

How many alarms do you have?

[E]

Okay, so I just want to say I don't. I don't set any alarms. Like, I use the iPhone's wake up, wake up time.

[C]

What?

[E]

Like. Like my phone has an alarm. It might. It turns off notifications at 11:15 and an alarm goes off at 7:30.

[C]

Okay. Every day, but no other alarm.

[A]

Only one alarm needed.

[C]

Wait, what about when you have other stuff going on they need an alarm for? Yeah. Do you use like the Reminders app or anything?

[A]

Oh, Lord.

[B]

No wonder your battery doesn't.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Ellis is deciding.

[E]

I got so tired of having to create an alarm for every random time that I needed stuff that's so much harder that I just leave it. I leave an alarm for pretty much every minute of the day until the evening.

[A]

I know people like this and I'm like, I don't know when you have to scroll to find the right alarm. I just feel like that's too much.

[B]

I just want to. No, no, no, no, no.

[E]

When you create an alarm, you got to scrol. End that. That not endless list. It's the same thing. I. I'm just scrolling once instead of on three different sliders.

[B]

Was Ellis here for making fun of me for folders on my dock?

[E]

No. You're going to make fun of me because of the.

[B]

I'm not going to. Because you didn't make fun of me.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no, please.

[B]

I was just gonna say one of those things is more insane. And it's the.

[E]

One of those things more insane.

[C]

What? You.

[E]

Oh, you look at your dock every time you go to your home screen. I never set alarms. I guess that would kind of be like.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like you said that.

[C]

Looks like you sent them a lot.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Soon you guys are gonna make fun of me because all the lead in my apartment or something.

[E]

Some of the. Some of the alarm names are pretty good too. I don't know what they're about in.

[A]

Retrospect, you have a 4:00am, a 4:07am, a 4.20am, 4:07.

[E]

Because I. I don't want to create a new alarm for every so much nuance.

[A]

Five o', clock, 5:06.

[B]

5:06. I'm dying.

[E]

I needed to wake up at 5:06 for some reason. Actually, I did remember earlier when I was like, you always set an alarm for a round number. I guess I don't even.

[C]

Circadian rhythm, baby.

[A]

Well, in other iPhone news, I'm gonna turn your screen off so it doesn't die. In other iPhone news, we are. We are expecting some new iPhones to.

[C]

Come out, which Ellis is gonna pre order.

[A]

Yeah, we're around that time of year. It's September. It's September. So the September. But the September Apple event has been announced. It's next Wednesday, as you listen to this. And we are expecting some things mostly based around the iPhone 17s. Sorry, next Tuesday. Good call.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And we're expecting mostly iPhone 17 stuff. Most of it is pretty similar to. I mean, this could be yet another iterative year for the iPhone before a maybe more interesting year with a folding iPhone, but depends on what you think of the air. Depends on how interesting that is to you.

[B]

I mean, we did get a design. It seems like we're getting a design change.

[A]

So a small design change, it's not much.

[B]

But at the same time, in the Apple ethos, this feels like something. Yeah.

[A]

IPhone World. You know, when I reviewed the Porsche 911, I said the same thing. And then when I reviewed the iPhone a couple years ago, I compared it to the Porsche 911. It's so important of a product to this company that any tiny little change that they make to this product is monumentally important and will be scrutinized and analyzed and will have massive implications for the rest of the entire company's product. So they don't tend to change very much about the iPhone. And so when there is a little bit of a design change or a little bit of philosophical change or a lineup change, like a new iPhone, like the air gets announced, we're gonna make a big deal about it. Because, you know, this is some statement from Apple about the future of the phone, whatever. But, yeah, it's just. It's minor incremental updates to the iPhone.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, what are we expecting here?

[C]

Yeah, so I put together sort of a rumor roundup, you might say, but not like the spray, you know, that Monsanto got sued for, like, a lot. Okay. So anyway, there's the Pros. Okay, we're going to start with the pros.

[A]

IPhone 17 and I phone 17 Pro.

[C]

Yeah. Okay, so we. Everyone's saying, oh, it's a huge design change. It's crazy. You know what they did? They took this little. This little glass piece and they moved it over here.

[A]

They extended it like a visor.

[C]

And then they. Yeah, yeah. And then they took the flash and the microphone and the lidar. Lidar, right?

[A]

Yes, still lidar.

[C]

Yeah. And they. They put that on the right side. So now it is a rectangle. I guess a square is also a rectangle, but it is specifically a rectangle and not a square. And it goes all the way across the device.

[D]

Okay, I have a question for you.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Remember when the leaks started happening of the iPhone notch and that started coming out and everyone's freaking out, and then they announced it with the dynamic island, so everyone's like, yeah, okay. Do you think they're gonna have some sort of like, thing software wise that they announce with this? That will make it seem more.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Sorry, I was trying to find a video we made.

[C]

Do you watch it in class right now, Andrew? I think that my take was that they added that to look more like more glass because they wanted to play off the liquid glass thing.

[D]

So you think it's like purely an aesthetics thing?

[C]

Yeah, it kind of feels like it.

[A]

The stack of the phone change feels pretty purely aesthetic to me. The only thing I could possibly see them arguing is that a bigger cutout on the back of the phone maybe could have some better cell signal or whatever, maybe with millimeter wave. I don't think that's actually what they're going to say, but. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I don't know how they're going to justify it. I mean, there is a rumor that they're going to now have a 48 megapixel. All three cameras are going to be 48 megapixels this year. So it is the first time that they've all been that resolution. I don't think that you need more glass in order to make it that. Although, you know, this lidar camera and this flash do take up space on the inside. So it is possible that parts of the camera module are larger in certain aspects. Yeah, that could be interesting. Uh, the pro is. The Pro max is supposed to be a little bit thicker this year for a bigger battery. So it's possible that they actually differentiate the thickness and battery a little bit more this year.

[A]

You know, that's a really nice thing to do, is make the big phone Thicker when you're also planning on introducing a thin version.

[C]

That's what I was thinking. So apparently it's only going to be on the max, which is interesting to me. I thought that they should make both pro phones thicker and then the air will feel even thinner than it actually is.

[A]

Yeah, but if you're Apple, you've got to like stratify the lineup and give people a reason to climb up. So if you climb up for. From like a regular phone to a pro, you get better cameras. But if you climb up from a pro to a pro Max, you also get better battery.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Physically be the latter. If you stack the three phones next to each other, you can walk up.

[C]

Exactly, exactly. There's supposed to be a 24 megapixel selfie camera this year because most of the manufacturers are making high resolution selfie cameras and potential move back to aluminum from.

[A]

So we're at titanium now.

[C]

Yeah, because we've had titanium for two.

[A]

Years, which we got to from stainless steel, which we got to from aluminum.

[C]

Bingo. Okay, so we're back. We're back.

[A]

But is it a circle or is it like the clock gap where we.

[B]

Just keep going really long? Something else.

[A]

Really long list, by the way.

[D]

First answer to that, Apparently a loop is more complex to code. So I'm sure just coding a straight list.

[B]

They're a trillion dollar company.

[C]

Let's not give them a pass on that one. A list is pretty easy to code. I will. Yeah. Okay. And then like we said earlier in last month, there may be a vapor chamber situation going on. Yeah.

[A]

That could also be a pro max only thing. Or is that crazy?

[C]

It could be. I gotta say, with how hot liquid glass has been running for me, like this update is it makes the phone get really hot.

[A]

Yeah. You know what, it's been interesting reading some of the coverage about liquid glass and all the beta updates we've been seeing because there have been obviously aesthetic differences that people have been tracking between beta 1, beta 2, beta 3. But there's also been graphical intensity differences and battery life differences that people have also been tracking. And so we see like the obvious ones that make headlines or a fun tweet or whatever where it's like they frosted it, they unfrosted it, they refrosted it.

[C]

Cool.

[A]

But the amount that some of these animations hit your battery has also varied dramatically between betas as they try to lock this down and optimize it. And obviously they want to make it as efficient as possible. But it is kind of curious seeing, like They've committed to this bit, so now they need to optimize all of.

[C]

The stuff going on. Well, that's what kind of freaks me the hell out. As we're about to move to iPhone air. How bad is the battery life gonna be on that if it's been pretty bad on liquid glass on the Pro Max that I'm using.

[A]

Yeah, I'm on. So are you on the public beta now or still developer beta?

[C]

I'm still ON Developer Beta 8.

[A]

Okay. So I'm on public beta on my iPhone and Dev Beta 8 on my iPad. My iPad's getting nuked. Yeah, I went from like 70 to 45 watching a YouTube video, which is crazy, but my iPhone on the public beta has been much more stable battery wise lately, so I'm curious about that too. Not sure if it means anything, but.

[B]

Can we put Alice's phone on public beta?

[A]

What do you think is percentage battery is now? Oh, it's actually the same. Nice. I thought it was just gonna get cruised. Just plummet as we sat here.

[C]

Yeah, well, speaking of the iPhone air, the rumors are it's going to be 5.5 millimeters thin.

[A]

Sheesh.

[C]

It is going to have a 6.6 inch display. It will have a single 48 megapixel camera on the back. Standard A19 chip. So not the pro chip, which I assume will have. It will not run as hot theoretically. Bloomberg is also reporting that it may have promotion.

[A]

What?

[C]

Yeah, and a dynamic island.

[A]

Weird, but okay.

[C]

Yeah, great.

[D]

That is promotion not for pros anymore.

[C]

Well, I'm wondering if they might call it like promotion light or something and just make it not one one to 120. Like maybe a variable refresh rate. 60 to 120.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Well, see, this is one of those things that's right on the line for. Is Apple going to want to even address or explain this to the masses? Like the difference between LTPs and LTPO? I think for regular people. Well, this is not even arguable for most regular people using these phones. The difference between 60 and 120 or 1 to 120 is imperceptible. So should they even bother?

[C]

I don't even think that they would say that. I think that in the presentation they would say it now does 120 hertz and not mention that it's 60 and 120 instead of 1 to 120. I think that's what they would.

[A]

I just think they. I. I think they wouldn't change the branding. I think they would say it's promotion because it goes up to 120 and then we'd have to discover that it's 60 to 120 instead of maybe it.

[C]

Is 1 to 120. And they had to do it because the battery life was so bad when it was when it was 60 to 120 that they put it at 1. Because if it's going to have an always on display, they're going to want it to refresh one time a second, you know? Yeah. So yeah, we'll see. I don't know because I don't think Apple has ever brought a Pro moniker feature to the regular models. Right. But it is one of those things where the iPhone has been ridiculed every single year since promotion was invented for still having 60Hz on the regular iPhone. Yeah. For the price they charge.

[A]

And they've kept that.

[C]

True.

[A]

They've kept prores video, they've kept promotion, they've kept Pro Raw photos, they've kept everything with the word pro in it for only the Pro phones.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So that would be the first time they did something different.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. The Air is also expected to use the Apple C1 modem which lacks 5G millimeter wave connectivity. Cool. It's supposed to cost around $900, which is, you know, it's kind of right in between there.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I. The plus was, right?

[C]

No, plus was 800.

[A]

900. 900. I think that was 800 or no, 800 for the base, 900 for the plus and now it's 900 for the pro. That or for the Air. That makes sense.

[C]

Replacing the plus literally right now. Shop iPhone 16 plus.

[A]

7.99. 8.99.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. So it's just replacing the plus. So it seems like they're basically just trying to keep it just as desirable as the plus was. I think the plus was like a horrible selling phone. Last year. The Standard plus, the Pro Max sold really, really, really well. The Pro sold better than they expected and then the Standard sold pretty well, but the plus, like barely sold, which was a weird thing for them because they only make the plus because generally the big phones sell better.

[A]

Replace the Mini to replace the Mini.

[C]

Replace the Mini. But it turns out that awkward middle child just like never sells well in the price ladder. I.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What size are they going to go in two years when the Air doesn't work? Mini Again, it's a, it's a really long list. It's landscape.

[C]

Landscape.

[A]

You go straight to trifold from there.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true. Yeah. And then, so colors on the Pro are supposed to be black, white, dark blue, and orange.

[B]

I'm so excited for the orange.

[C]

The orange is insane.

[D]

Orange or, like, pink orange?

[B]

Like.

[C]

Like, definitively orange? No, it's orange.

[A]

We started seeing people do the videos on the models, and people get their hands on, and it seems like it's, like, very orange. I.

[C]

Yes. But if you remember. Do you remember Desert Titanium? Desert Desert Titanium. Yeah.

[B]

Band Aid.

[C]

Hey. This is the first phone I've ever cracked, by the way. I know. Anyway, the early models and leaks of this were brown. Do you remember that?

[A]

A little bit.

[C]

We did a whole thing. Are they making a brown iPhone?

[B]

Oh, I made that waveform thumbnail, and I think I put the throwing up emoji. Great, great. Ctr.

[C]

I'm just saying that the color renders that we end up getting are often quite off from what they actually end up, like, looking like.

[A]

Fair enough.

[C]

So it's. It's very possible that it's not orange, but it's, you know, sand.

[E]

To me, I've never seen this car in person, as has barely anyone. But to me, the iPhone orange is like the McLaren Senna orange. Like, it's just darker and browner.

[A]

Senna orange. Is that like McLaren Papaya Orange or a different one?

[E]

Is that.

[B]

I don't.

[E]

It's the color of the McLaren Senna.

[B]

Oh, yeah. This is like more of a copper.

[E]

Yeah, it's like coppery.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. Well, the models. Yeah. Are very different.

[C]

Yeah. Anyway, then the air is supposed to come in black, silver, gold, and light blue. Kind of like a baby blue.

[A]

This is the year of baby blues.

[C]

Yeah. Because we got that laptop, a lot.

[A]

Of light blue phones. Okay.

[C]

And then regular iPhone, new colors, promotion, not that different. If they wanted that to sell better, it probably won't. Which is funny.

[A]

Well, you said promotion on the regular iPhone.

[C]

Yeah, they. So they said. Well, the rumor right now is the pro iPhone, all the iPhones are supposed to have promotion and.

[A]

Okay, yeah, bring it on.

[C]

That's the rumor.

[A]

It's about damn time.

[D]

Do you think all the iPhones will also have the visor?

[C]

No, only the pros.

[A]

Only pros.

[B]

Well, on the Air has, like, its own.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[D]

So, like, the regular iPhone will still have the current camera bump situation.

[C]

That's what the rumors. And the models that I've got out so far, uh, Apple Watch Ultra 3 is supposed to have a larger display. It will.

[A]

Even larger.

[C]

Even larger. It will not have support for satellite texting because the Pixel you know, the Pixel Watch has that now the satellite SOS messaging, potentially a high blood pressure indicator so I can know when I'm so angry at all of you.

[B]

We can't record because he's just beeping the whole time on his wrist.

[C]

The Ultra. Sorry. The Apple Watch 11 will also have the satellite texting and blood pressure indicator, according to rumors. And the se, they're going to announce a new one, theoretically. Rumor mill. Apparently.

[B]

The way you're saying it sounds like you know everything. I know it sounds like you're trying not to pretend that you don't know.

[C]

Everyone, everyone always thinks that we have Apple stuff weeks ahead of time. We literally find out when you do.

[A]

I promise. Apple is the company that doesn't pre brief anyone. And yeah, I posted a picture on Twitter today that it was from an iPhone 16 Pro and a whole bunch of comments were like, this is from a 17, isn't it?

[E]

No, I just want to say Apple actually does us one dirtier than not telling us anything. Where they'll like text you Marques and be like a PR personal text and be like, in three weeks we'll have something and we've. You're going to like it and you'll be like, like, can you tell me anything? And they'd be like, you should buy a plane ticket. And you're like, yeah, yeah. And they're like.

[C]

And then they're like, yeah, it's the screening of F1 and Apple, they won't.

[E]

Even tell you like six hours before they'll be like, so that thing that.

[C]

We'Ve been hyping you up for immersive.

[E]

Video, we have new leather cases.

[A]

This is so accurate. Like, yeah, seven times out of 10, I feel like I have a pretty good handle of what they're going to tell me. And. And three times out of ten I'll show up and I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna leave. This is not what I need to be doing right now.

[C]

Yeah. Anyway, the Apple Watch se, it seems like, apparently I don't know this for sure, but they're going to change from aluminum to plastic and they're going to market it to kids instead of, you know, being. Because the SE has always just been like the affordable edition.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

But now it seems like, okay, there's not enough difference anymore between. Because the se. The last se was the. In the Apple Watch 6 chassis, which just happened to have smaller bezels basically. And that was kind of the main thing. And it was missing like a few features. But now the Se might move to plastic and be marketed towards kids.

[A]

Plastic to me.

[B]

I mean you to me. More like plastic one.

[E]

More like the C. Am I right? I don't think the iPhone 5C.

[C]

Oh yes, the last plastic one. Yeah, stuff.

[B]

But a really cheap Apple watch with cellular to give to a kid instead of giving them a phone. But still being able to like contact emergency services honestly feels like a great.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because there's. You can't distract yourself as much on that.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

I bet I like I can already say like I got my phone in seventh grade because I started playing sports at different schools and like have an emergency thing. Lots of parents I think are buying their phone. Kids that can do so much more now because of a situation like that. But if you can't fiddle around on a watch as much as you can on a phone.

[A]

Yeah. I heard two really interesting stories recently. One I forgot who's telling me that their high school or whatever the school that they came from banned smartphone, like banned phones. So the kids can't have phones. They put them in a locker before.

[B]

They go to school, like locked bags.

[A]

They're not allowed to have a phone. Obviously the kids all have burners, but it is what it is. And then the other one is like I'm thinking this kind of makes more sense the more I think about it. Obviously plastic is like a bummer of a headline but there is this whole huge market of these cheaper location, texting, et cetera type of watches that people are willing to get their kids before they get them a smartphone. And I think Apple can compete there if the price is also lower.

[C]

It would have to be $99.

[A]

Yeah. If you switch to plastic and you're gonna aim for this market, obviously. Okay, it's Apple. They're gonna be the premium one in that market.

[C]

But.

[A]

But it can't be $250. It has to be cheaper than that. So I kind of wonder if that's what they're going to do. They're just going to go, all right, the SE is just all the way down here. It's the entry level. Your four year old is going to finally love imessage and they're going to get their first phone and guess what, it's going to be an iPhone and then you're in. So I could see them actually going.

[B]

For that market and you know what they'll say 99, you don't want to make sure your kid's safe. For just another 150 I think we can do.

[A]

Are they Going to have like a.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[E]

I do think you had a million dollar idea though. Which is a plastic app cellular Apple Watch that has. It's pretty much phone and Apple Music.

[B]

There's those old phones that were like four buttons on it and it was just four phone or four numbers you could call and an emergency service.

[E]

I feel like a child slash teenager could get all their socializing done with something like that. And also avoid endless scrolling on Instagram.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Rain rot.

[E]

Evil group chats.

[C]

Yeah. I mean there are people out here trying to make their primary device. So.

[E]

That's true.

[B]

I mean I'm only buying Lane an Apple Watch SE and an Apple Vision Pro.

[A]

That's all she needs.

[C]

That thing is the Apple Vision Pro is heavier than her body.

[A]

She's like really work on the neck muscles with that. Weirdly, the only place I've ever in the wild seen an Apple Vision Pro is on a plane or in the airport. That's the only place I've ever.

[C]

I've seen like two on a plane. Yeah.

[A]

Have you ever seen one not. Not related to like in a cafe airplane?

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I've never seen that.

[C]

No.

[A]

Huh.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Interesting.

[C]

We got some new stuff. AirPods Pro could be getting an update. Could be adding heart rate monitoring which they already have in the power beats Pro2.

[B]

Wasn't it? Couldn't you not listen to music at the same time when you were doing the heart rate monitoring?

[E]

Music would make your heart rate go up, bro. You'll. You'll have such a good time.

[A]

I think that was true at.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't know if they patched that with a software update.

[C]

Does it have to.

[B]

I thought there was something weird.

[A]

There was a headline.

[B]

Couldn't. I can see that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, there may be a new H3 chip. Not sure what that would do, but it would do something redesigned, smaller charging case with no pairing buttons. So I'm assuming they're going to have some sort of, I don't know, different way to pair it. Like NFC or something. Which would make it really hard to pair to an Android phone.

[A]

It might make it hard. I mean it might just trigger Bluetooth.

[C]

Pairing maybe because like.

[A]

Well, what would the NFC chip.

[C]

Oh, like if you like.

[A]

There's a lot of NFC chips now where you like. Even the old Sony WH1000 whatever's used to have like an NFC chip and it would Bluetooth pair to your Android phone.

[B]

I mean even my like nothing has quick pair. I just opened them in my.

[C]

Yeah, that's fast pair. Yeah, but that's like a. That's like a dedicated Qualcomm thing that they have. Yeah. Apple has their own version of that in the H chip.

[B]

So, yeah, I guess with my power, my Beats probably I have to hold the button down to connect them.

[C]

Yeah. So we'll see. I remember it was like a year ago that we saw all of those mockup AirPods cases that had like the screen on them, but I haven't heard any news of anything related to that recently. So whether or not they scrapped it or if that's just coming later, I'm not sure. And then one thing that I didn't write down because I know you're not going to care, apparently Apple Vision Pro Main may get the. The five. The M5J.

[A]

I'm just kidding.

[C]

Yeah, so, yeah, I don't know why they're still making them. They probably have a lot of stock that they could just sell instead of putting a new chip in it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But that's sort of the rumors. I think it will be interesting to see what new features come out on the phone. I want, I want to know about the new like video features that the iPhone gets and the new photography and video features because that's always like really fun. Like they did the studio quality mics. They, you know, if you want to call them studio quality, they've done the, you know, they did prores at first and then it was prores Raw and then it was then you got prores log and all this stuff. Like every year they kind of like up the video game more and more and more and more. So I'm just very curious what they bring to it this year. I think that'll be pretty cool.

[A]

Same. I do plan on shooting whatever autofocus video comes out after the event or whenever the iPhone reviews come out with, with the iPhone, just so we can see how much better it's got. So subscribe. There's a nice plug to the autofocus channel. See that video and of course Waveform. You must already be subscribed to Waveform though, obviously.

[C]

Oh, no.

[B]

A lot of people plug in the.

[D]

Other channels before you plug ours.

[A]

Yeah, that's my bad. Well, now you're subscribed everywhere, so it's all good.

[C]

Yeah. So yeah, after this week you will know and so will we. And we will be recording at Apple Park.

[A]

Looking forward to that because it'll be cool.

[E]

Wait, wait, do it again. More exciting though.

[C]

And we'll be recording at Apple Park.

[D]

That's what it's gonna sound like.

[A]

It'S gonna be Reverby as hell. Sick.

[C]

Cool.

[E]

Okay, wait, sorry. Marques, what is it gonna be?

[A]

Reverby af. Nice.

[B]

Trying to throw it at autofocus again.

[A]

Adam, can you help it?

[C]

Can you hit the button?

[A]

Trivia time.

[C]

Vibe Shift trivia.

[A]

All right.

[D]

October 4, 2016. Do you guys know what happened?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What happened? Not the trivia question.

[C]

Pixel 1.

[D]

Correct. The original Pixel, announced October 4, 2016, had a DX O mark. That was the best scoring camera.

[E]

You know that?

[A]

I remember the DX because I got a brain, bro. Is that the question?

[D]

That's the question. What was the dx?

[E]

What is wrong with you?

[B]

You.

[E]

Do you remember the exact day and DXO score of this phone and you don't know the iPhone's like default ringtones?

[C]

We have different. We have different priorities.

[D]

Do you guys want a bonus question?

[C]

Was that the question?

[D]

That was the question.

[A]

What was the DXO score?

[D]

What was the DXO score of the Pixel? First one. Pixel One.

[C]

Did Marquez get it right?

[D]

I don't know. He wrote it down.

[A]

I wrote it down, but I didn't share it. Okay, but we can get it. Yeah, we can do.

[D]

There was another phone that year that got the same score later that year.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Do you remember what that phone was?

[C]

Huawei P20 Pro.

[B]

That's actually what I was gonna say.

[D]

Sorry, that wasn't it.

[B]

So it wasn't it.

[D]

So you still have hope.

[C]

Oh, P10 Pro.

[A]

No, it's this one right here. P30 Pro. Hey.

[B]

Oh, it's P30.

[A]

I'm pretty sure it was.

[B]

It was the like, like bluish one, right?

[A]

Yeah, it was the bronze colored.

[C]

I think it was like the blue and purple one.

[B]

That's what I'm thinking.

[C]

Or yeah, the. The P30 Pro was like the purple and blue.

[A]

It was the bronze P40 Pro.

[C]

Yeah, this is P20 Pro.

[B]

So we were.

[C]

That was such a beautiful phone, but that's not it. Remember when we got colors like that? Okay. Yeah. Remember when we. Colors like that?

[A]

Yeah, Colorful phones. We don't have two colors on one.

[C]

Even if it's orange now.

[D]

Have you not seen Andrew's Lemongrass Piss Gatorade Foam?

[C]

Ellis. Ellis, look at this. Beautiful.

[E]

Yo, is that orange?

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All right, welcome back. We have a little Sony debacle. Because I found this headline the other day that just said Sony explains what it's doing to ensure the Xperia 17 debacle never happens again. And I sent this in Slack and I think every single one of us made the same joke, which was the What? This Xperia 17 came out and then everyone continued to make the joke joke. Maybe that's what the debacle was, that.

[C]

We didn't know it came out.

[B]

That we didn't know it came out. Sony has never been great at marketing. Marques made an entire video called why People Don't Buy Sony Smartphones. The TLDR is usually they, like announce a phone, they send it to reviewers, have an embargo, and then no one sees that phone. Or at least the US doesn't see the phone for like six months.

[C]

The embargo is in February and it gets launched at B and H exclusively in September. Trying to not sell the phone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we have that video if you want to see it. But that's actually not what happened here. Apparently after being announced in May and then released in June, they had multiple reports of the phone just straight up rebooting, shutting down and then not turning back on.

[A]

That's a debacle.

[C]

That's what I like to pay. Seventeen hundred dollars.

[B]

Apparently it was a bad circuit board and they completely paused the sales of, of the phone globally. They have fixed it. They started a replacement program. Phones are now starting to launch at the end of August or now it's September and you can get the Sony Xperia 1 7, which this is a brutal way of learning that there is a Sony Xperia 1 7.

[C]

How much does it cost?

[B]

I'm not totally sure.

[A]

1400 Euro.

[B]

It seems like pretty standard Sony phone. Like great display.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's. It's up there with everything good cameras, 5000 milliamp hour battery.

[A]

Headphone jack.

[B]

Headphone jack. Most important.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. 1630 US dollars.

[B]

1600 bucks.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's also pretty par for the course for Sony phone. Pretty damn expensive.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

For. There's really great specs.

[A]

Variable zoom.

[B]

It's there. But too bad if you can't turn it on.

[A]

That would be tough.

[B]

That would be tough. Sony did say they are going to work on improving their quality control in the future.

[C]

Wish they had that in the beginning.

[A]

That's a great thing to work on.

[B]

I have one other quick story that I think a few people in this room, not that they know anything about it, but are going to be pretty sad about. YouTube is now flagging accounts on premium family plans that aren't in the same household.

[C]

Don't do that.

[A]

Are you guys all on a family plan? No.

[C]

What? No.

[A]

How many of you guys are on the family? Are you all on this family?

[E]

No.

[B]

I'm pretty sure they've talked about it on the pod.

[E]

I could not join Adam's family because I'm already part of David's family. And they're like, why you got two families?

[C]

Hey, you're outing us right now, bro.

[E]

You can't out us live on the. I'm beeping all of them.

[A]

I checked.

[E]

I checked my email. I have not gotten the we caught your ass email yet. So we're still good.

[C]

Yeah, but you're publicly telling everybody now.

[E]

I'm privately telling you. 5, 4. And there just happens to be some 4K cameras and microphones in front of me. We can cut it. They're not going to come and get us.

[C]

Yeah, they won't come and get us.

[B]

Well, they're coming to get everyone. That's the whole point of me posting this year.

[C]

There were posts in like 2019 that said Spotify is going to shut you down if you don't live together. I'm still on a Spotify family plan with my college roommates. Okay.

[D]

Why are you outing yourself right now?

[C]

$2.

[A]

Soon as this gets published, you're going to get an email.

[E]

No.

[B]

Well, so like we all saw, we all had the Netflix thing where eventually Netflix used to brag about being able to share accounts.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

Then they decided to hold both out.

[C]

Of it and they saw a very large rise in subscribers after they actually. Yeah, it actually did work.

[E]

We're not even sharing an account.

[C]

I know.

[B]

They're Just tearing families apart.

[C]

So they're gonna tear our family apart.

[B]

Yeah. If you don't know, you can have up to five people in a premium family plan, which is 23amonth. So some people, again, don't know any, might split up that 23amonth and be in a family plan despite being under the same rooftop house, saying they would.

[A]

Lie about being family.

[B]

It does say. Well, that's the thing about family.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. You know, it's funny. I don't have any cousins, but I got a whole lot of families.

[A]

I got.

[C]

I got my Spotify family, I got my YouTube family. I got my Apple family.

[E]

David, to save $8 a month, will you marry me?

[C]

Tax reasons.

[E]

Not even tax reasons. Just so we can keep our YouTube family plan together.

[C]

Yeah. We have to live together, though. That's the problem, right? Ye.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It still doesn't matter. You'd have to live.

[C]

Why? I don't want to live with you, but I'd marry you.

[A]

Oh. You have to be in the same household.

[B]

You have to be in the same household.

[E]

That's an even wackier definition of family.

[B]

Yeah, that's the thing is, I think it's past the family section of this because that just means a roommate is more of a family than my mom is to me right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We can just go to. Go to Olive Garden, because when you're there, you're family.

[E]

That's true. That's the loophole. If you. If everyone goes to Olive Garden, they can't take away our YouTube premium.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

So I'm seeing if you do get caught. You get an email that says your YouTube Premium family membership will be paused. It appears you may not be in the same household as your family manager, and your membership will be paused in 14 days. Once your access is paused, you'll remain in the family group and you can watch YouTube with ads, but you will no longer have YouTube Premium benefits.

[E]

Do you think they know that from, like, WI fi networks?

[A]

Just IP and IPs. Wi Fi, that's.

[E]

David, do you use a VPN?

[C]

No. Do you?

[E]

No. But I think you would be the one because you're the household. You're the head of house, family manager.

[C]

Why are we saying this on a popular YouTube show? This is a bad idea.

[B]

But, yeah, you know, obviously that, like it said in the rules, you're not supposed to do this. This still feels.

[E]

Why'd you look at me when you said that?

[B]

I didn't. I looked at the camera. It still feels. Feels weird. And I Feel like a lot of people aren't gonna get kicked off of this plan and then go, oh, yeah, I'll pay 14amonth because they wanted. Only wanted to do it because it was cheaper. I'm someone who pays 14amonth. I personally think it's worth how. How often I use it.

[E]

So you're saying you hate your family?

[B]

Yes. But on the other side, it just calling it a family plan just feels stupid because obviously a lot of people have actual.

[A]

It's called a group plan or something.

[B]

Well, household old plan. The exact same address plan. It's. Yeah, that part's weird. And I. I don't know. Also, the more I was like reading this, I was remembering all the features you get, like offline downloads and picture in picture and like screen off. Those should just be features on YouTube. It's really stupid to lock those behind it. I think just no ad saves me enough time. I know. But. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I love YouTube Premium, but I just don't think that many people are going to convert. They're just going to get kicked off.

[C]

And I think it works for Netflix.

[B]

So that is the other thing.

[D]

A lot of people that use YouTube and like, turn off the screen, put it in their pocket.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So. So was this. Let everybody take advantage of it for a long time and then realize they can't live without those features and ads anymore.

[C]

It's the classic way to do it. Amazon today announced basically the same thing as well. They just ended shared prime shipping outside your home.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

So, yeah, I think that was slightly.

[D]

Different, though, because I think that was like a specific feature. Right. Like, if I had Prime, I would, like, let you use it. It's not like you were logging in and pretending to be me. It was like I could share the prime shipping feature.

[C]

Yeah, but you're not logging. Ellis is not logging in, pretending to be me. He has a separate YouTube account in our family plan, you know.

[D]

Yeah, no, I mean, that's what I mean. Like, I think it is slightly different.

[E]

I love watching YouTube. I don't think I could watch YouTube without premium. And I don't know if I love YouTube enough to pay 14amonth for it.

[C]

I think you do.

[A]

I think it's worth it.

[E]

I'll be real.

[B]

It's my most. I pay for Netflix and Disney plus and those things, and I get the most bang for my buck out of the YouTube book. But that's just my personal viewing. Yeah, I watch a lot of YouTube.

[A]

We talk about the, you know, companies artificially pushing their pro and non pro products further and further apart. I think YouTube and YouTube Premium might have the biggest delta and experience between each other. Like YouTube is almost unusable without it's premium slash no ads.

[E]

And some of that, some of the ads that I see on free tube is like bad. Like Twitter level bad.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Like oh my God.

[C]

Yeah. Like pills, like, like a six hour.

[E]

Like, like supplement infomercial.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Or I get, I get whenever. Like I see ads on YouTube all the time for like amulet that increase your.

[B]

Oh well those are your something.

[C]

Power balance pavilion.

[E]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[B]

I just think offline downloads should be a regular feature. Yeah, I think that's crazy. And I think there's plenty of people who take a flight once a year that would like to download some YouTube videos that should be paid for.

[C]

That's how they get you.

[E]

Well, for legal reasons I have no family.

[B]

I mean. No, for legal reasons you have.

[C]

For legal reasons we should be cutting.

[E]

This entire section for legal reasons. Reasons. David and I are roommates in his one bedroom apartment.

[C]

That's right. But we're not married yet.

[E]

But we're not married yet. But Google doesn't care about that.

[B]

It doesn't care about that.

[E]

They just care that we sleep in the same bed.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So why is it even called the family plan? It should be called the roommate plan.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh my God.

[B]

Check me Google.

[D]

Yeah. I do think though you guys are kind of underestimating how crappy the experience is without premium. Because like for example, YouTube videos are getting longer. Longer, aka this podcast which is probably at like almost two hours now. If I forget to uncheck the ad, automatic ads on the YouTube video, the first like dozen comments will just be like, this is unwatchable. Because like every two minutes there will be an ad. It's like ridiculous.

[B]

Yeah, it's even if you just check mid rolls to be enabled. Because sometimes you do that to do it in the ad slots when we don't have like a regular vox ad. And then I'll just like automatically add them and I'll look and the whole first page is within the first like five minutes of the video. Which means that's how they're like seven front loaded. It's crazy. Yeah, it's really annoying.

[E]

We should go on strike or we.

[B]

Should go on trivia.

[E]

Yeah, it's better.

[C]

Yeah, we're going on strike by not posting YouTube videos. Then we all lose.

[E]

All right, guys, we were just on the same page about something for about 10 minutes and now we're about to get into a giant argument about what is and is an orange. So everyone chug your red bulls and get ready to get fired up because there have been three orange pixels in the history of the pixel. Please write down all three names Google gave to the color orange.

[B]

You have to spell them correctly. I don't definitely spelled wrong.

[E]

What could you have possibly spelled wrong?

[B]

That means that answer is not correct.

[E]

Do you think one of them is like orangutan?

[A]

Fanta.

[B]

Orangutan would be a great.

[E]

Are those orange? I don't think so.

[C]

Orangutans.

[E]

No, wait, I got one.

[C]

Orangutans.

[E]

I wouldn't know how to spell.

[A]

They're like animal.

[C]

They're like burgundy.

[A]

It's definitely not orange.

[E]

Flip them and read.

[B]

They're kind of orange.

[E]

All right, who wants to go first? David, why don't you go first?

[C]

Okay. I put almost orange. Okay. I put sand. I put orange.

[B]

I also put orange. Thought there might be a curveball in there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I put clementine. Probably spelled wrong. Coral.

[C]

A coral.

[B]

A coral.

[E]

Knew that was pixels seven.

[A]

That's pink.

[B]

I actually thought it was the four.

[E]

Do I gotta get the phone? Should I get the phone out of the closet?

[C]

Right.

[A]

Oh, I remember the coral one. Nevermind. No, it was the. That's the six, right?

[B]

Seven. You said seven.

[A]

Seven.

[C]

Yeah, that one is actually 7A.

[E]

Specifically the 7A.

[A]

That one was poorly named. But it is very orange. The phone itself is very orange.

[E]

Thank you.

[A]

They used to have orange. Just the button would be orange. Like the Pixel 2 had an orange accent button.

[C]

Remember that?

[B]

That was the panda. The panda had an orange, but I.

[C]

Feel like that's more of a coral color.

[A]

That's why it's called coral.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, anyway, okay, I put. I put not pink. Okay. I put very orange.

[E]

And I put orange is so close.

[A]

Barely orange.

[E]

All three of those are very close. Marquez.

[A]

Dang.

[B]

That's very on their vibe.

[C]

Almost. Orange is not close.

[E]

The Pixel 7A was coral.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

The Pixel 6 came in a color called kinda coral. And the Pixel 4 came in a color called oh so orange.

[C]

It was literally oh so orange.

[B]

Is it really?

[E]

That is what it was called. And I think that's really funny because if you put a question mark and a comma in that thing, it goes oh, so orange.

[C]

Which is what I said.

[B]

Wow. I had that phone and I didn't know that's what it was called. It was so good. It was one of the best colors.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow. Actually, if you look back cuz it had black rail.

[B]

Matte. Black rails.

[C]

Yeah, that phone and the. The. The texture. It was the squeeze phone and it had solely. Which destroyed the battery. Didn't work. If you watch the Android Authority YouTube video from that review, it is me and Adam in Central park in 2018 or whatever.

[D]

Was that the same video? We got kicked out of the Museum of Natural History.

[C]

Yeah, but there's a cool segment from the Museum of Natural History.

[D]

We got the shot, baby.

[C]

We got the shot.

[A]

Sounds like story time.

[D]

Next time, watch it on a future episode of Waveform. All right, quick update on the score.

[B]

You look a lot different.

[D]

Marquez with two. David with two.

[E]

No, that's Andrew with a review five.

[C]

Whoa.

[D]

All right, my question was the original Pixel was announced by DxOMark as having the best camera score for a smartphone phone. What was that score? Bonus point. What was the other phone that year that also scored the same score?

[B]

Didn't we say that out loud already?

[A]

You were wrong, idiot.

[D]

The phone you guys mentioned came out in 2019.

[C]

Oh, shoot.

[D]

Okay, what do you got? Let's go, David.

[C]

First, what'd you say put 97?

[D]

Nope.

[C]

Is it too high?

[D]

And what phone?

[C]

P30 Pro? Huawei.

[D]

Nope.

[B]

Okay, we all put P30 Pro.

[D]

All right, well, you all got that wrong.

[B]

I put 89.

[D]

No.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I also put 89.

[D]

Oh, you both put it.

[B]

Was it 97?

[D]

It was 90. And the other phone was the HTC U11. Also got a 90 that year.

[C]

Yeah, that.

[A]

That's weird.

[C]

Yep, that's really weird.

[A]

That wasn't a good camera.

[B]

That was before the Pixel came out, though, wasn't it?

[D]

Came out slightly after.

[B]

I think Sony got a higher score.

[A]

Wow. I did not think that was. Okay, well, shout out to DXomorph.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The Pixel 4 was so close to being perfect at 100.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, almost.

[C]

Almost did it.

[A]

Sometimes you got to get a 90 and brag about it.

[B]

When Marques was so sure and I saw I had the same answer as him, I was like, like, let's go. We're having a good day, I think.

[A]

Don't worry, you still have way more points than I forget.

[D]

I was Googling one of the phones you kind of mentioned, and it came out in 2019. And this was from 2016. 2017. Something like that.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay. We were way off. Well, either way, stay tuned. This episode is coming out right before or right at the beginning of Tech Timber. So you already know we're about to dive directly in to, you know, all the stuff that happens at this time of year, every year. So get subscribed. If you haven't already, get subscribed to all the other channels that I've shouted out to during this episode. The MKBHD channel, the autofocus channel, the studio channel. There's stuff just gonna be everywhere for all these, these last few weeks of the year. So thanks for watching, thanks for listening. Catch you guys very soon. Peace. I'm boarding in 58 minutes.

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Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Hold on.

[B]

Hold on already. Wait for Streets. By Adam Molina Ells room.

[A]

It's not that fast. Time we got time.

[B]

I was going for my auctioneer.

[A]

I will say, we had Gatorade this weekend at our tournament. And it was red and blue, but they were strawberry and like blueberry or something. Like, not what you'd expect from red and blue Gatorade.

[C]

What about Cool Ranch?

[A]

It's usually like fruit punch.

[B]

It's red and blue, but not like red and blue.

[A]

Yeah, it was weird. It looked like the regular red and blue. And then you drink them.

[C]

You'd be like, I thought the blue was supposed to be Cool Ranch, not blue.

[E]

I love that. David, that's the best thing you've ever said.

[A]

Cool Ranch.

[C]

Did we?

[B]

Cool Ranch.

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