Live at SXSW 2026: Can They Convince Marques to Shoot 24fps?

Summary

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Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Live at SXSW 2026: Can They Convince Marques to Shoot 24fps?

Date: March 17, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel
Location: SXSW, Austin, TX

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Episode Overview

This special live episode from SXSW 2026 sees the Waveform crew—Marques, Andrew, and David—bring their signature tech banter and insights directly to a packed audience. Centered on interactive audience engagement, the episode covers major gadget and industry news, retrospective takes from last year, the ever-present FPS debate, community-driven trivia, and a lively Q&A with fans. Standout themes include the future of smartphones and form factors, the impact of AI in consumer tech, car industry updates, differences in tech across global markets, and a humorous but passionate defense of 30fps for YouTube.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Rivian R2 Unveiling and Electric Vehicle Chatter

[03:14–10:11]

• Rivian’s R2 Pricing & Release Dates:
  • R2 Performance: $57,900, 330 miles, 3.6s 0-60, 656 hp, Spring 2026.
  • R2 Premium: $53,900, late 2026.
  • R2 Standard: $48,000, 2027.
  • “The most expensive is coming out first.” — Andrew [05:00]
• Market Positioning:
  • R2 seen as a Model Y competitor but "much more attainable.” [05:17]
  • R3 – the even cheaper, Subaru-like model – is remembered with longing but not expected before 2029.
• Color Commentary:
  • The group laments Rivian’s muted R2 color palette.
  • “I have a take: worst colors.” – Marques [08:19]
• Real-World EV Adoption:
  • Discussions around accessibility of EVs in New Jersey vs. NYC charging woes.

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2. Tech Industry Predictions & Retrospectives

[10:33–21:28]

• Apple Intelligence & Siri:
  • Reflecting on last year’s misplaced optimism for LLM-based Siri.
  • Apple delayed, then later announced Google Gemini would power Apple Intelligence.
  • “We were all hoping for Siri to get good, but we’re still waiting for it.” – Marques [12:50]
• Digg & Reddit Rivalries:
  • Last year’s excitement for Digg’s relaunch fizzled—site lacks engagement.
  • “The people are the hardest part.” – David [16:52]
• Foldable Phones:
  • Apple’s rumored passport-style foldable likely for 2026.
  • “What’s the unique differentiating thing for Apple?” – Marques [18:09]
• Touchscreen MacBook Ultra:
  • The team jokes about Apple’s naming conventions vs. actual chip configurations.
  • “MacBook Ultra is not a good name.” – Marques [19:04]
  • Ongoing skepticism about true overlap of Mac and iPad, especially Apple Pencil support.

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3. Audience Trivia and Interactive Polling

[26:10–31:47]

• Best Fashion & Niche Interests:
  • Audience votes Marques as “best dressed.” [28:00]
  • Top niche tech interest: David’s film cameras. [29:10]
• Worst Takes (a tradition):
  • “Worst takes” shame moves from Ellis to David: “They love your film cameras but don’t like your other takes.” – Andrew [31:36]
• Summer Tech Predictions:
  • Rabbit R1, local AI devices, and “OpenClaw-as-a-service” joked as unlikely hits.

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4. Q&A Segment: Live Audience Questions

[33:07–69:12]

Autonomous Vehicles

• Comfort with Robotaxis:
  Marques and David approve of Waymo, citing safety and the joy of not making small talk.
  • “They drive kind of like a grandma—a little cautious.” – Marques [34:37]
• Tesla Cyber Cab Bet:
  If Tesla delivers by 2026, Marques promises to shave his head on camera.

Next Big Purchases

• Tech Upgrades:
  • Marques plans to replace Pro Display XDRs with newer Studio Displays and considers a Mac Studio. [39:24]
  • David’s ongoing Leica M7 camera temptation garners wide audience support. [40:31]

CES Highlights and Global Tech

• Autonomous snowblowers stand out as real-world helpful gadgets. [41:30]
• Desire for more live shows and international coverage—studio logistics and culture-bubble observations.
  • “We should do that more often... poke out of our own bubble.” – Marques [46:16]

Small Phones & Form Factors

• Nostalgia for compact devices but acceptance that the small-phone market is niche and likely to remain so:
  • “If you ask people, they all say we want smaller... then the bell curve is everyone getting the biggest phone.” – Marques [53:19]
• Android’s adaptability and new startups keep hope alive for tiny phones.

Annoying Tech Quirks

• Marques hates full-screen volume overlays on car displays. [54:50]
• David gripes about projector/AndroidTV volume mismatch.

Accessory Phones

• Discussion of Clicks Communicator and minimal “weekend” phones; SMS forwarding is a persistent challenge in the U.S. [57:06]

The 24fps Debate

• Can MKBHD be persuaded to shoot 24fps for YouTube?
  • A laughing, passionate defense:
    • “30fps is definitely the move and I’ll tell you why... I start seeing a little bit of shutter, stutter [at 24].” – Marques [59:01]
    • “TV is 30, and YouTube is TV. So YouTube should be 30.” – David [61:25]

Production Process Insights

• “Octopus” creator analogy—delegating tasks as you grow.
• Push for better internal fact-checking as the studio grows output.

AI in Phones & Content

• Early Gemini integration shown useful but remains mostly limited to flagship devices; AI likely to become the core of OSes.
  • “Every new Android launch is just about Gemini and it will become the entire platform.” – David [65:30]
• Skepticism toward AI-generated content’s staying power.
  • “People will ultimately want to watch human-made stuff... once we get over the novelty hump.” – Marques [69:04]

Vision for 2030’s PC Space

• Apple gaining ground in consumer PCs as Microsoft focuses on business/enterprise solutions.
  • “It just seems like they don’t care as much about the consumer side.” – David [66:50]

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Notable Quotes

• “They’re matching up with Model Y prices, if not a little cheaper. Oh, and better range...” – Andrew [08:11]
• “Picture yourself making that video to a room of 200 people, and it recontextualizes what you just did.” – Marques [29:57]
• “Anything under 30 to my eye... I start seeing a little bit of shutter, a little bit of stutter, and that was enough to say, okay, it’s gotta be at least 30.” – Marques [59:01]
• “If you love gadgets or tech, you will gravitate toward the tools that help you get your time back.” – Marques [42:21]
• “Every new Android launch is about Gemini; it will become the entire platform.” – David [65:30]
• “People will ultimately want to watch human-made stuff... once we get over the novelty hump.” – Marques [69:04]

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Memorable Moments

• Audience erupts in laughter over Marques’s firm anti-24fps stance.
• Intimate audience engagement—live trivia, reminiscing about last year’s “wrong” tech predictions.
• Marques’s spontaneous musings about the “octopus” analogy for creator work.
• Lighthearted roast about “worst takes,” audience affectionately picking on David.
• Repeated, humorous disclosure about David’s connection to the Clicks Communicator startup.

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Segment Timestamps

• [03:14] Rivian R2 breakdown
• [11:22] Reviewing last year’s takes
• [18:15] Apple foldable, MacBook Ultra rumors
• [26:10] Trivia and audience survey results
• [33:07] Audience Q&A: robotaxis
• [38:13] Next big purchases
• [41:08] CES highlights
• [50:31] Form factor/small phone nostalgia
• [57:06] Accessory and minimal phones
• [58:48] Preproduction pipeline & FPS debate
• [62:32] Android XR and future of AR/VR
• [65:09] AI integration in phones
• [66:38] PC space forecast for 2030
• [67:30] AI content consumption

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Closing Thoughts

This lively live taping delivers Waveform’s classic blend of tech insights, friendly debate, deep dives, and community spirit, all with the fun (and occasional chaos) of a live, interactive audience. The episode shines a light on evolving tech industry trends, dispels a few myths, and proves that some YouTube traditions—like the unwavering commitment to 30fps—die hard.

If you’re interested in behind-the-scenes creator workflow, nuanced EV opinions, global tech perspectives, or just enjoy seeing fans try and (not quite) succeed at convincing MKBHD to change his ways, this is an episode not to miss.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

No tripping this year.

[A]

All right, what's going on, people of south by South? Well, that's. Good morning. Nice energy. All right, so we are here to have our second ever live recording of our podcast, the Waveform Podcast. Some of you may already know us. To those of you who have seen us before, hi. If you don't already know us, the Waveform Podcast is a tech chat show about the stories of the week, about YouTube, about gadgets and sort of anything in between. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[B]

I'm Andrew.

[C]

And I'm David.

[A]

And before we jump in, I actually want to ask two things of you guys. We got about an hour up here today with you, and we want to make this a fun interactive type of podcast instead of just a normal episode of us chatting with each other. So we have. Ellis and Adam are actually. Where are they? They're in here somewhere. Yeah, they're over here. At the end of the show or somewhere in the middle, they're going to roam around with microphones and ask for questions from you guys. So start thinking now about what sorts of questions you want to ask us about tech or YouTube or being a creator or gadgets or anything that's in the news. And the other thing is, I'm giving you guys permission right now to Take out your phones and open up your web browser and go to waveformsurvey.com and answer those couple of questions real quick. And what we're going to do is at the end, we're going to have some trivia questions where we try to figure out what you guys said on that survey. So I'll give you guys 15, 20 seconds right now to open up waveform survey.com and answer those quick questions. You don't even have to think about the answers, just blitz through them. What you think is the. I think one of them is who has the best fashion. It's kind of just all across the board, but we're going to try to answer those at the end. So waveformsurvey.com and then, yeah, we can just sort of jump right in. What do you guys want to start with?

[B]

Yeah, I have a couple things we can start with real quick before we get to there. I think, you know, we always joke about how things come out on Thursday.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So being a Friday today, as we're recording, we do get to talk about one thing, which is the Rivian R2 prices and timelines got announced, which is kind of fun because if anyone's here, Rivian is also here. I think they're very large, so you can go check out the R2 stuff later if you want. But I figured we'd go over prices and trims and most importantly, when they're projected to be released.

[A]

Can I just set the stage for why we're getting the prices now? So I've already tested and reviewed the R2, which I think is probably it's arguably their most important vehicle. Right. As we were testing it, we all knew.

[B]

How long ago did you test it?

[A]

This is probably three weeks, three, four weeks ago. And we're all testing it and everyone sort of knows Rivian R2 is their lower priced version of an SUV. It's their model Y fighter. And everyone knows that the starting price is going to be $45,000. But we also all know that tech companies do this thing where they give reviewers the highest spec, trim, best possible version of the thing. This is in phones, computers, iPhone, 17e

[C]

with a $900 price, 16e with the most storage.

[A]

So we all know we're driving the dual motor performance, nice trim interior, and we had a great time. It was a super capable vehicle. But we know we're not driving the $45,000 version. So now we're finding out how much did the version that I tested cost and when is the $45,000 version coming. So why don't you give that to us?

[B]

Yeah, I've got kind of everything here. So we're going to have R2 standard, R2 premium, and R2 performance. Performance is. There's also like a launch edition performance, I believe. Right.

[A]

That's what we were driving.

[B]

Okay. So R2 performance is going to be starting at 57.9, so just under 60, which we all kind of expected. And that is 330 miles of range, 3.6 seconds, 0 to 60, 656 horsepower. And most importantly, spring 2026. So no surprise, most expensive coming out the quickest.

[A]

We're in Austin, Texas right now. I see Rivians all the time out here. I feel like anytime I'm here or anytime I'm in like Southern California, I see a lot of Rivians and they're the R1s, they're the $100,000 trucks and SUVs. This being half the price or 50 to $60,000 is obviously much more attainable. Quick show of hands, Is anybody thinking about getting a Rivian R2? Is that. Yeah, there's a couple hands coming up. Right. So this is. This is a. An exciting vehicle to be coming out. I thought it was really, really capable. I'm curious what you guys think now that you've seen, you know, the videos and how well it seems to drive.

[B]

I mean, I've been excited for this for a long time. I've always liked the Rivian stuff. And obviously a more affordable version is really cool. Under 60, they actually seem like. Because they promised under 60 two years ago, at least. And they're. A lot of things have changed in the last two years. So I'm not surprised, or I am surprised they kept the pricing there kind of stinks. The most expensive is coming out first, but R2 premium is going to be 53. 9. So like 54. That's coming out late 2026. And then R2 standard is the $48,000 one that is just says 2027. And let's. Let's be real. We all know it's always as far away as possible in that time zone. So spring 2026 will probably be. What's the last day?

[A]

June 20th.

[B]

June 20th.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's cool that it's coming out. I mean, I'm excited to start seeing them. I think R2 standard is going to be the more. The most exciting thing, just the absolute.

[C]

I'm just gonna black out till R3 comes out. I just want. I just want Subaru car, man.

[B]

You all right?

[C]

It looks like a Subaru, but R3.

[A]

A lot of people, a lot of people forgot about the R3. The R3 looks nice and it's supposed to be cheaper than R2. Marquez, R3 has been living rent free in your head.

[B]

Well, if you don't think R2 standard is going to come out till 2027, let's assume end of 2027.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you think they need at least a buffer year after that? So are we thinking 2029 is the earliest we might see in R3?

[A]

I've. I don't want to think about timelines for R3. I think, and I think you're right, it'll probably be as late as possible. This is also the Tesla blueprint. Like when Model 3 and Model Y came out, they did the same thing. They were like, let's launch the highest margin, most premium, best trim version first. Sell as many as we can there and work our way down and eventually sell a base, rear wheel drive, cheapest possible model. That will be the most attainable and possibly one of the highest volume trims. But I'm not expecting to see that or R3 anytime soon.

[B]

Before 2030.

[A]

Before 2030, I think both of them.

[B]

29, I hope.

[A]

Yeah. But I do think like Model Y performance when it launched recently, that was like 62,000. And this Rivian R2 performance, which is equally as exciting, maybe even more so, I think looks better. I also think has a little bit more character. Is 58.

[C]

So sell a lot of these.

[A]

That's pretty good.

[B]

I mean, the most important thing here is that they are matching up with Model Y prices, if not a little cheaper. Oh, and better range as well with them.

[A]

Slightly better range. But I have a take worst colors.

[B]

The worst colors. Worst colors. You care about the colors. My problem with the colors is everything online looks super muted. Have you seen them yet?

[C]

I've seen them. They are muted.

[A]

I wish we could throw pictures of all the colors behind us, but the color are light gray, dark gray, black white, dark green, greenish gray, olive green, both kind of gray and then the dark blue and then a light, slightly less dark blue.

[B]

It's like gray blue and then a purple, purple, purple.

[A]

So there's no Rivian red. I love the Rivian red. There's no Rivian yellow. So it's new colors for the R2. I think the R1 has much more bold, poppy colors. I'm curious why. I feel like Apple does the opposite.

[C]

The cheaper stuff, probably the same thing that the phone company do.

[A]

But the Phone companies give the cheaper stuff the popular colors.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

And now we're getting the cheaper stuff. Gets the tame colors.

[C]

How many shades of gray do you think they offer?

[A]

Not as many as you're hoping to make the joke, but not even close.

[C]

It's possible one day. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, I think the. My problem with the colors is it's always yellow accents, so I want more. And the, like, darker, deeper blue looks better with the yellow. The deeper green looks better with the yellow. I liked the fun colors of our one platform. Yeah, these. The slate blue is kind of nice. What did the purple look like in person? Did you see it?

[A]

It's a deep purple.

[B]

Your shirt.

[A]

Super.

[B]

Your shirt.

[A]

My shirts are way brighter than the purple. I was going to say Barney. Barney is brighter than this purple. It was more plum.

[B]

Plum.

[A]

Even darker than that.

[B]

Have you ever had a plum before?

[A]

Deep cut.

[C]

Deep cut.

[A]

So, yeah, you know, I'm moderately excited about these. I think they're going to sell well. We're going to start seeing them in a lot more places than just, you know, the places.

[B]

We're just south by southwest.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I'm excited. I have a reservation. I don't know if I'll pull the trigger right away. I might wait for the middle one.

[A]

We got some people at the studio who are very eager to pull the

[C]

trigger because you guys will live in New Jersey.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I can't have a garage. I'm in New York City. I can't charge anything anywhere.

[A]

There's, like.

[C]

There's, like, two chargers in New York, and they're very far away and very expensive.

[A]

You can always come to Jersey and have a garage and charge stuff.

[C]

Then I'd have to have a family. That's a whole thing. That's a whole thing that's down the road.

[B]

All right. I have one other thing I thought we could kind of do that's fun before we start getting into Q and A, which is we make a joke at the office all the time that tech moves so fast that us covering tech are horrible with timelines. There's so many times we write or talk on the podcast or are just talking in general where somebody will say, oh, yeah, remember the humane AI pin? That was like, five years ago.

[A]

Right.

[B]

He's like, no, man. That was like eight months ago. And since this is only our second time on a stage, it's at South By One year later, I rewatched. First of all, show of hands, was anyone here last year? That's awesome. I'm really excited. There's somebody here. So this might be fun because I took all of the. A lot of the things we answered and takes that we had on current stories and things have changed quite a bit. So I figured we'd kind of do a quick run through those.

[A]

This is takes from last year.

[B]

This takes from last year or news things that were happening last year. So the first thing we talked about actually was Apple Intelligence. I think the day before we got on stage was Apple officially delaying Apple Intelligence, which is a very.

[C]

Which time?

[B]

I think it was the first official time.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So we were post launching 16e or sorry, 16 built from the ground up for Apple Intelligence with all the ads that didn't come out. Then this was after they deleted all the ads that said it was for Apple Intelligence and then they delayed it. And I do believe they said, still coming out 2025.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

2026.

[C]

And now Google's making it.

[B]

If anyone's. Yeah, if anyone's following along Apple Intelligence. I guess when we say Apple Intelligence, we mean Siri.

[A]

Siri, the LLM based Siri.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because Apple Intelligence has been rolling out in sync stages and a lot of the early stages that have rolled out have been some of the least exciting notification summaries. The emojis that are AI, like the small, the image playground stuff, that's the stuff that they have rolled out. We've all been waiting for the better Siri, AKA the assistant that can take actions for you. There's a whole ton of things happening. You guys will hear about all week about AI and agentic AI people asking apps to be built from the ground up on their phone from a simple query. And meanwhile Siri is like kind of not good at all. So we're all, we're all hoping for Siri to get good, but we're still waiting for it.

[B]

Everyone on the stage said definitely out by the end of 2025.

[C]

How wrong we were.

[B]

We were. Do you know what you said specifically, Marques?

[A]

No.

[B]

So Siri, like we're all saying Siri's big thing was that it can, you know, you can speak to it, it can work inside of your apps on your phone. Your response to that was Bixby used to be able to do that. So if Samsung can make Bixby work inside your app, how could Apple not do it by the end of the year?

[A]

Yeah, well, that was at the time one of the more exciting things that we were hoping it would do, which was I want to ask. And this was something Bixby did. We would ask it for it to reach into an app and perform an action for us. This is called Agentic App.

[B]

That was like 2018.

[A]

Yeah, 2018, 2019. That was one of the most interesting things that Bixby could do. And I was like, well, surely Siri also. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Well, here we are.

[C]

Apple kind of shot themselves in the foot with the privacy angle, though. They don't have any of that data. They can't just, you know, make it happen to everything.

[B]

Yeah. So, but if you weren't following along, what David said before is in January, Apple announced that Google Gemini will now be essentially what's running Apple Intelligence. So we did get a step further closer, but also further away from Apple creating it, I guess.

[C]

Well, we don't really know yet. I think until it happens, we're not really sure when it's.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the thing we were wondering was will dub dub last year just reannounce it. I think they just glossed over it completely.

[A]

Right. So 2024, WWDC, Apple goes. Apple Intelligence is our new thing. It's going to be amazing. This is what I stood for the whole time. We swear they delay it. 2025 comes and goes and they sort of kind of reannounce Apple Intelligence features and sort of reframe it and give us that. Some of the stuff has come out and some of the stuff is still coming WWDC this summer, they may do that again and reannounce Apple Intelligence and explain the things that are now out, which is a lot of it. But still that we're hoping to see this Siri thing soon. Maybe this year, maybe they've learned their lesson to not make a promise on when that's coming out.

[C]

They should just drop it when it's ready.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Honestly, I agree.

[B]

Every tech company should just drop things when they're ready. I think the world's.

[C]

But then how would investors invest in them? How would they raise fake money?

[B]

Next thing we talked about, and I'll go really fast on this because Digg relaunched or got announced last south by. Oh yeah, we thought it was going to be this cool thing of the, you know, the, the old arch rivals because we had the founder of Digg and one of the co founders of Reddit, Alexis Ohanian, coming together to relaunch Digg. And you know, I was really mad at Reddit last year because Steve Huffman totally ruined it and I was really excited for Digg. And then when I was writing this, I was like, oh yeah, what happened to Digg? And it launched at some point, I think earlier this year, and I went to it. And the hardest part about trying to pretend you're doing well is when your whole website is based on votes and comments and activity is the minute you go to the front page of it, you can see how it's doing. I don't. I saw very few posts that had more than 50 votes and like more than 10 comments. So it's basically just. I don't know. Are there any Dig users, new Dig users in here?

[A]

I'd be shocked if I saw a hand. We got a hand.

[B]

There was a hand.

[A]

We got one hand.

[B]

Okay, you'll have to tell me about it later because it didn't look like it was doing great, but the UI was kind of nice, I guess.

[C]

Okay. Yeah. They haven't really advertised it at all. I haven't seen anything. I forgot about it. They did the big launch, but then it was like $5 a month to use.

[B]

I don't think it was a month. I think it was like just to. The invite was $5 or something like that.

[C]

That's too much, man. You don't know how it's gonna be

[B]

when you don't know what's gonna. It kind of boils down to there's no community. That's the problem. It's community. And we talk about all these different social media platforms trying to take over other social media platforms because everyone keeps ruining social media platforms. And the hardest part, no matter how good your UI is, no matter how good all the features are, is the people.

[C]

Yeah. Yep.

[A]

Shout out to YouTube.

[B]

All right, let's go through some of the things we said in the question and answer. Someone asked if Apple launching a foldable is going to be what brings folding phones to the mainstream. We were all pretty convinced the folding phone Apple would do is flip style. So clamshell, kind of like an old folding phone. We are all now seeing pretty strong rumors about a passport style folding phone from Apple coming out later this year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

1. Do you think it's going to come out later this year?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

The rumors are now much more confidently aligning for this year.

[C]

It's not a rumor.

[B]

Is there one in your pocket?

[A]

It is technically a rumor. We don't know for sure until it gets announced. But yeah, we're pretty sure it's now. It's kind of like pixel fold 1 or what was the first the oppo find Passport style. Yeah, the passport style. So it opens like a Galaxy Fold, but it is a little bit more squat. So it opens to a widescreen. And I think that's going to be. It's going to make sense. What we're all curious now to see is what's the unique differentiating thing for Apple? Is it an iPad like OS when it's open? Is it a really, really impressively flat crease and a like, you know, creaseless display? Is it both? Is it the. Is it the fact that they charge less than anybody else? No. Is it any. What's their. What's their angle going to be era

[C]

with Apple right now? Okay.

[A]

I have a sneaky feeling this is going to live at the top of the iPhone lineup.

[B]

Yeah, Safe bet. Yeah. So all our bets last year were wrong. So yeah.

[A]

So yeah, we expect to see it this year. It'll be a. We could probably place bets on the price. It'll probably be a 2023 holding phone and we'll see what your angle is.

[C]

It's okay. My uncle works at Apple, so he told me.

[A]

He told you. Is this breaking news?

[B]

He's going to ban you from Apple. Also talking about Apple, last year somebody asked us if we ever thought we'd see a touchscreen Mac or Mac display. And all of us were extremely confidently, no. MacBook Ultra rumors are out now. Touchscreen OLED Dynamic island later this year.

[C]

Did they just always use the word ultra when they're like thinking that something's gonna come with that's not gonna come.

[B]

Did that part make it into pod?

[A]

I don't think it made it and I think I just need to say it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

MacBook Ultra is not a good name. Yeah, here's why. And it's not like it's okay. Like Ultra makes sense for like the super high end product. That makes sense. But they also have chips called Pro, Max and Ultra. They do not put the Ultra chips as of right now in the laptops. That's in the desktop. So if you're gonna name it MacBook Ultra, but you don't put the Ultra chip in it, that's a little confusing. What about the Watch Fair? But I just think if there is an Ultra chip available in the Mac lineup, the MacBook Ultra should have it. That's my number one confusion. But yeah, it's supposed to be a touch screen, which is all like, I don't really know what to make of that. I'm assuming this is going to be paired with the new redesign, the Dynamic island, the, the OLED display, all this fun stuff. I saw a headline recently that it would be thinner, which I'm a little Bit nervous about. Because you don't put an Ultra chip in a thinner body.

[B]

Cause you still think an Ultra chip's gonna go in.

[A]

I just. Yeah, I don't think it'll have an Ultra chip anyway. I think they should call it the Studio. That's my take. But yeah, we'll see. It's supposed to be later this year and it's supposed to have a touchscreen.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Would you. Do you want. Now that we're a year later.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And we do think it is coming. Yeah. Do you want a touchscreen MacBook Pro?

[C]

It depends on what the touchscreen does. I'm still.

[B]

I think you can touch it usually.

[C]

Well, I guess that would be a feature, but it depends.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know. They said that the UI is going to be like modular and change when you go to touch it and all these ambient things. I still think that they should have just made the touchpad Apple pencil compatible and that would have solved like most of the problems. And then it could have the trackpad pencils.

[A]

Yeah, the trackpad, yeah.

[C]

Because I don't know, I like doing this on Photoshop, you know. But if that's the only use, I'm not sure if that's worth, you know, $9,000.

[A]

Yeah, it's going to be expensive as well. That's a theme. But I do think Apple is specifically allergic to making the Apple pencil compatible with the Mac. And I know we were saying that about a touchscreen, but I do think this is very iPad related. They want to sell you a Mac and an iPad, not or. So the more overlap in functionality there is with Mac and iPad, the worse it is for that double purchase.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think, yeah, the pencil is always going to be just for the iPad.

[C]

Next year we're going to find out.

[A]

I'm going to find out next year it's going to be great.

[C]

Yeah, that's going to be great.

[B]

I'll run through a couple of these pretty quick. People asked us how AI was helping us in our everyday lives and Ellis was talking about Vibe coding. Something to where David responded. Is Vibe coding like a term people use? That's changed quite a bit.

[A]

That was only a year ago. Wow.

[B]

I think Vibe coding. My grandma probably knows what Vibe coding is now. Ellis downloaded a local LLM for the plane ride here to mess around with.

[C]

So he was quinning hard. Nobody gets that joke. It's a. It's a model.

[B]

Yeah. And then the last thing we just kind of, you know, got a very firm answer to a couple weeks ago, which is with somebody asked us if AI is coming into everything, glasses, pins, phones, how concerned should we be with data privacy? And if for some reason you haven't seen the meta Ray Ban article about where your data is being sent and being used seen by data annotators in different countries, you should really read that article. Lots of private stuff that you don't know fully is being recorded when you're using AI features are being sent out.

[C]

And yeah, we did a breakdown this week. The pod just went live an hour ago so you could watch it right now if you wanted. You could be double potting right now. Kind of crazy.

[B]

I would not want to listen to me two times at the same time.

[C]

We wanted to release it live on stage, but then we'd have to make the pot is late joke to Adam again. So yeah man.

[A]

All right, we'll take a quick break, but after we come back, Adam and Ellis are going to take some questions from the crowd that we'll try to answer. No pressure. Support for the show comes from Odoo. Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? With a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other, One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you're drowning in software. Instead of growing your business, that's where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one, fully integrated platform that handles everything. CRM, accounting, inventory, e commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins, just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part, Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business, so whether you're just starting off or scaling up already, it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for [e-mail] that's o d o-o.com support for the show comes from Hostinger. You might find it easy to come up with an idea for a cool new product, but building that into something real, something that other people can actually enjoy. That starts with you making the first move. And with AI changing the landscape for entrepreneurs everywhere, Hostinger can help you make that first move in just a few minutes instead of a few weeks. Hostinger is an all in one platform that brings everything into one place. Your domain, website, email, AI tools and AI agents so you can launch online without stitching together five different subscriptions. Start with a prompt and then add your personal touch. You can create websites, online stores and custom apps without coding or design skills and then use AI agents to automate TEA's tasks and help grow your business. Hostinger powers over 10 million websites and there's a reason it earned a CNET Editor's Choice Award winning turn your one day into day one. Go to hostinger.com waveform to bring your idea online for under $3 a month. Plus get an extra 20% off with promo code Waveform so that's less than the price of coffee per month. That's hostinger.com waveform promo code waveform for an extra 20% off.

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[B]

Yeah. So I think that's everything from the initial thought we had. Just covering a couple stories we're going to. I think Adam and Ellis want to do trivia first. Are they out in this station?

[C]

They just moved out there.

[A]

Do we think enough people have filled out?

[B]

That's right.

[D]

You hear the music. Thank you everyone for filling out our survey which took a shocking amount of time to program that URL redirect. We asked you a lot of questions and we are now going to have our hosts. Guess what you guys put.

[B]

Also, thanks for filling out the room. Listeners don't know but it is packed in here. There's like 3,000 people.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, I can hear it.

[D]

Listen to that.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

God Damn, guys.

[D]

Also, 10 of you have never listened or watched Waveform before.

[C]

Welcome.

[B]

So thank you.

[D]

That's cool.

[C]

Hopefully you subscribe after you can hype us.

[B]

Not anymore. Not anymore.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The comments today we're saying it's done. This is for average listeners or people who Listen to us a lot. This will actually. This is the one time of year that Ellis and Adam get their own microphones.

[D]

Oh, my gosh. I didn't even realize that.

[B]

I'm trying so hard not to talk over you guys.

[D]

I love the wait.

[B]

But anyway, so as I was saying,

[D]

guys, we asked the room, however many waveform fans there are here, who has the best outfits on waveform? Do you want to guess who this lovely crowd said?

[B]

David Ellis.

[A]

I think they said David.

[D]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I have, like, five pairs of clothes, bro.

[B]

I guess, yeah, outfits is hard, but no, I think David's got the. It's David or Ellis.

[D]

David was in second place with seven votes. But, guys, it was not even close. Shoot, Marquez. 26 votes.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

I'd be fashion icon Marquez. Brownlee.

[A]

Shop.mkbhd.com Andrew, why do you sound so surprised?

[B]

I don't know, Alice. There's been like four Reddit posts about Ellis's sweatshirt.

[D]

It's Abercrombie and Fitch.

[C]

Yeah, people use Circle Search to find that out.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

People only talk about us on Digg, so that's why. That's why I'm missing them.

[D]

Guys, we asked this crowd to rank our niche tech interests that are paid weather apps, Samsung decks, film cameras, VHS tapes, and mechanical keyboards. What do you think the top ranked thing in this room was?

[B]

Are we all just going to answer our own one? I don't know.

[A]

I'm not. Definitely not. I think this room would think David's film cameras is the best niche.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

It's weather apps for sure.

[D]

It's weather apps for sure.

[B]

Okay, Andrew, I'm selfishly saying mechanical keyboards,

[A]

if it's weather apps.

[D]

At number three, Samsung DeX.

[B]

That's right, baby.

[D]

At number two, mechanical keyboards.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Number one, David Amell.

[C]

Really? Wow.

[D]

Film cameras.

[C]

I don't even think that's technology.

[D]

We're living in the analog world, people.

[A]

I'd be ranked at right. Racking up the points right now if we were counting these

[D]

guys. I think it's time for our new. I guess it's the second time. So now it's a tradition. We asked this crowd who has the worst takes on waveform? Last year, you all voted me, which as the person who introduced these three people to vibe coding, you might be right. Who do you think has the worst takes? Or excuse me. Who do you think they has the worst takes on a waveform?

[B]

This Lovely crowd of 3,000 people.

[D]

Three million people.

[A]

Yeah. You know what's funny about that? I just want to interrupt real quick. I think Well, I mean, this room is what, probably like 150 people or something like that, which is awesome. And I always hear, like, people starting off, starting YouTube channels will always say, like, oh, you know, I made my first video. I didn't get that many views. I only got like 200 views. Picture yourself making that video to a room of 200 people and it totally recontextualizes what you just did. Everyone's obsessed with scale and getting a million views. But like, just if you're starting, think about that, think about this room.

[B]

Anyway, I'm way more nervous on this stage right now than going into our podcast, which hits hundreds of thousands. I have no idea what to do with my legs. It's usually under a bed, a chair anyway.

[A]

I think like twice.

[B]

Basically.

[A]

I think Ellis got the votes again for worst takes.

[D]

That would be worst takes?

[C]

Yeah. Oh, it could be me.

[B]

Honestly, I think everyone just wants to say themselves to be nice. So I'll also say David to be nice.

[C]

I'm being selfish.

[D]

Andrew, you tied with Adam for the least votes in this question, implying that you actually might have the best.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

I love you all. This is the greatest audience in the world.

[D]

Marquez, you only slightly came under him with six votes as the worst takes on the podcast.

[C]

It's you, me, boys, one of the three of us.

[D]

I, with my myriad of wonderful opinions, got a whopping 12 votes for the worst takes on the podcast. But I have been dethroned. The worst takes on Waveform now belong to David.

[C]

Amal. Yeah, damn.

[B]

Which is funny cuz they love your film cameras but don't like your other takes.

[C]

But don't like my opinions. I like your pictures, but don't talk,

[B]

Just be pretty.

[D]

You guys offered a lot of hilarious answers to what the tech of the summer will be. Everything from, I don't know, not the rabbit. R1, something that people think is cool. AI companies offering OpenClaw as a service, whatever the Johnny I chatgpt puck will end up being metaglasses, the neo local AI devices for all my quinners out there.

[C]

Thank you, Ellis.

[B]

Don't know what that means.

[D]

I got you.

[B]

Yeah. What does that mean? Wait, can you explain that? What? We don't have time for that.

[C]

We really should.

[B]

Okay, nevermind.

[D]

It's a local AMI model made by. I can never remember who actually makes it, but I think they just laid off like most of their team, so it's sort of unsupported and free floating. Okay, forget I asked Jelly. And it seems like for the most part, you guys would not let open claw touch anything in your life, which is probably smart.

[C]

A safe move.

[D]

But now that we've heard the opinions that we've forced out of you, I think we'd like to ask some of these microphones around and have you guys ask our hosts some questions. Does that sound like it would be fun?

[B]

I hope so, because we have 30 minutes and nothing else written down. Coming over, vamp.

[D]

Adam Molina is handing out the first microphone.

[B]

First question. Hi. Thank you guys so much for speaking. I've been a fan for almost eight years now, so it's kind of crazy, like, seeing you guys in real life, I was kind of curious.

[D]

I took a robo taxi here, and

[B]

it got me wondering.

[A]

Between that I see a lot of

[B]

Waymos on the street.

[D]

Would each of you be comfortable riding

[B]

in an autonomous vehicle? And if so, does it matter on the brand?

[C]

Are you waiting for it to get

[B]

bigger, or have you done so since you've been in Austin?

[A]

Yeah. So when I first got to test the Tesla Robotaxi, it was still in this sort of very early beta phase of only people with invites could test it. But I did get my first taste of the Tesla Robo Taxi there. That was also my first taste of the Waymos. I rode them all day. I don't know how many miles I covered, but we did a lot of shooting and a lot of testing in a whole bunch of different routes all over the place. At the end of that, my conclusion was, these are fine. And actually, as someone who typically, like, I recently checked my Uber rating, and I'm like a 4.9 passenger rating. I feel like I'm the perfect Uber passenger. I get in the back and I just sit there and I don't do anything. And it would be even cooler if I didn't have to talk to anyone. And it was empty. And I'm on the computer working, and it's fine. And I think a lot of people's dream is to just get into a little car that doesn't have anyone in there. It doesn't have to, you know, you don't have to talk to anyone. So I was totally fine with it. I would ride in any autonomous car. They seem to drive kind of like a grandma a little bit. Like, they're mostly pretty safe about things. And I was totally fine with that.

[C]

Yeah, well, I'm not supposed to talk because my opinions are bad.

[A]

Give us your takes.

[C]

I've not taken the robo taxi. I personally, I have a Model 3, and I do not trust its autopilot at all because it makes really bad decisions. Obviously I don't have a newer version. It's like a 2019 one. It's very old, so maybe I would do that. But I have been riding Waymos for like three or four years now and the ones in San Francisco are crazy smooth. I love getting in a Waymo and I love that it has my name like spinning on the top kind of cool. I don't like the idea of this insane consolidation of power between like one to two companies that could completely just take over the entire taxi ride. Hailing space. If this tech gets more democratized, which there are really cool like open sourced car driving models now that you can like install in your car with cameras and stuff. Whether or not that becomes street legal, I have no idea. But the Waymos are very fun, they're very smooth.

[B]

I have not ridden in either of them. I think I would because like Marques said, they're pretty slow and around, you know, they're testing in cities like this, which is gated and they're doing a lot of, you know, there's only so far you can go and so as long as I'm not trying to get anywhere pretty quick, I'm fine with it. But also a regular Uber driver, I think as we left south by last year, Marques's Uber to the airport. When they got in, he said, I'm not your average Uber driver and all of us went, oh no, are we going to see them at that? So, you know, there's dangers in both of them. But yeah, I would get in one and try it around the city.

[A]

I saw one near a studio a couple days ago and I realized there's an article Awaymo, that they're testing them in New York City.

[C]

Yeah. Which is insane.

[A]

Which I couldn't decide if that made me very confident in them or extreme, extremely concerned because I've seen. Has anyone driven in New York City before? You know that that's, that's the ultimate challenge for these things. So if it can survive there, then I guess it can survive anywhere.

[B]

Can I throw an audio a question to the audience real fast? So with this cyber cab, I was

[D]

literally going to ask who.

[B]

If you don't know, Marques has a bet. If Cyber the $30,000, no steering wheel, two seat CyberCap comes out by the end. Robot, who here thinks Marques's hair is safe? AKA do you think it will come. Not come out?

[A]

Okay, here's the bet. Here's the bet. Elon got on stage. Well, the bet was, okay, Elon got on stage, he said, we're going to have this golden two door autonomous thing and we're going to sell it to the public before the end of 2026. And I was like, of course you're not. And if you do, I'll shave my head on camera. That's. I feel pretty confident that that's not going to happen. So if you think my bet is safe, raise your hand. If you think I'm going to shave my head, raise your hand. Yeah, I feel so good about that.

[D]

Has anyone here taken a Tesla Cyber Cab in Austin? Because they do run ostensibly the robo taxis.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, you're Robo Taxi.

[C]

Robotaxi.

[B]

No, it's Robo Van.

[D]

Thank you. No, no. Okay, we have another question back here.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

I've actually seen the Robo taxi here, so I have a picture of it.

[C]

It's definitely out there. My name is Will.

[B]

Big fan of the podcast. Thank you, thank you. I watch pretty much every single one of them, at least tangentially through shorts. So I was just wondering what is your all's next big purchase? If it's tech or otherwise.

[C]

I hope a home one day so

[B]

you can have your rivian. Yeah,

[A]

I have an answer.

[B]

I mean, we kind of teased one at the end of year in the life.

[A]

Oh, that's the giant one. Mine was going to be a tech thing. Okay, this video is not uploaded yet, so this is an exclusive. I just did a video of sort of a desk tour of reviewing everything on my desk. And on my desk is a bunch of things a computer, monitors, keyboards, things that I've been using for like 15 years straight. And I know them really well and I really like them and I choose them out of all the choices I would have had. But sitting on my desk right now is two Pro Display XDRs and a Mac Pro. And the Mac Pro isn't technically discontinued yet, but it's pretty close. It's basically discontinued. It's an M2 chip. It's like a three year old chip and they've had three generations since then and the Mac Pro is not getting any updates. And the Studio Display XDR just came out and is better in every way than the Pro Display xdr other than being slightly smaller and lower resolution. Yeah, slightly smaller, but same pixel density.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I think my next big purchase is going to be those studio displays to replace my Pro displays. And then I was talking about this earlier, like, I'm not sure if I'm going to become the MacBook Pro guy that takes it everywhere and then plugs it in. Or if I still like have like a Mac Studio on my desk or something like that. But that's. That's what I'm scheming right now is my. My updated desk setup.

[C]

Do you want Andrew?

[B]

Mine's probably either whatever keyboard convinces me to pre order it and forget about next or I don't know. I probably won't upgrade a phone for a while because Google keeps screwing me over with this 128 base storage. It's annoying. So I'll probably hold onto this for a while. Yeah, I actually don't have anything.

[C]

It's hard. It's like my MacBook M1 Max is still kicking it pretty dang hard. So I don't really need to upgrade to my computer. Have a little apartment. It's got air conditioning sometimes during the summer. I don't know. I would say. I mean, I've been trying to.

[A]

It.

[C]

Does it have to be technology? Because I've been trying to convince myself to buy a Leica M7 for like six years.

[A]

That's technology.

[B]

Raise your hand if you should buy a Leica M7. Wow. Yes.

[C]

Do it. Thank you. That's probably it. Honestly.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I will probably get a Rivian eventually. A what?

[C]

Maybe a cloud subscription.

[B]

Cloud.

[C]

Max. No. No.

[B]

All right, next question. Right back here.

[C]

Hey, how's it going, guys? Big fan. Been following you guys for a while. I was just at CES this year

[B]

and I saw a lot of autonomous lawnmowers and stuff.

[C]

What was it from CES that really

[B]

impressed you guys this year that you perhaps are looking forward to in the consumer space?

[C]

Robot phone.

[B]

That was mobile phone. That's mwc, isn't it?

[C]

Well, they showed it at CES first.

[B]

Did they?

[C]

I think so, yeah. I'm just kidding.

[B]

I'm trying to remember what happened CES this year. CES is. CES is the perfect example of. When I say we don't remember timelines because I could mention something from eight years ago and I'll feel like this year's ces because it probably stays at CES for years at a time or the biggest.

[A]

I will say the. This kind of ties into my weather thing. But the autonomous lawnmowers are interesting. Oh God. We've got several major blizzards on the east coast this year. And someone that I've been following, every time there's a blizzard, he posts a video of his autonomous snowblower clearing his driveway actively while it's snowing so that he wakes up to a clear driveway. And one of them went super viral, and the whole world found out about autonomous snowblowers. And then we got another blizzard, and it was too much snow for the snowblower, and it was like, kind of. It had to go back to the dock and charge. It was interesting, like, seeing, like, a real use case of that thing. And I thought that was. That was kind of like the best case scenario of, like, an autonomous vehicle that just silently, while you're not thinking about it, goes out and does work, earns you some time, and then goes back and charges and goes to sleep. And I thought that was pretty sick.

[B]

There was one thing that I'm remembering now, which was the Seattle Ultrasonics kitchen knife that is, like, essentially vibrates to help cut things better. They did wind up sending us one, and we tried it. There's a short Marquez did on it.

[C]

Yeah, it was.

[B]

I wanted to love it, but it just did not quite accomplish what I wanted it to. And I talked to the team there, and they were super nice, and they're gonna keep trying, but I was a little bummed out by it, unfortunately. Yeah, we learned that everyone in the studio has bad knife handling skills. I learned that very quickly.

[D]

Most everyone.

[B]

Yeah. Ellis being number one. Worst knife handling skills.

[C]

There were some really weirdly shaped, cool phones there this year. I think that the clicks communicator was very, very cool, you know? So I want to try that. I want to have, like, a little weekender phone that I don't have to.

[B]

Disclaimer, David. Disclaimer.

[C]

Okay. The person who launched it was my old roommate.

[B]

That's a crazy disclaimer.

[C]

I don't know what to say about that. But, yeah, true.

[A]

I'm also to be. I also saw that at ces or saw that from ces, and I was like, I want to check that out.

[C]

I am actually interested. And I did actually put four hours down for a price preorder, so.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And not only to support him.

[D]

We have another question right here.

[B]

Hi, guys. So this is the second live episode that you guys do, and the studio year recap, like, getting cameras all over was great. So my question is, like, is there going to be any more live episodes? Like, this something that I've been. Look, I'm from Puerto Rico, and, like, one of the big things that we live in a little bubble in the US and then just going out to other countries and seeing technology over there could be something different. Like, I'm going to Japan in October, and I'm super excited about the Tech over there now. So like is that been any thought or like having more live episodes mostly if something else out of the country. And to we've. What's awesome about VOX setting this up is we get to do it without. They handle all the hard work. Like seriously, the people at VOX here who are setting all this up, kudos to you. You do an incredible job and we appreciate it. Seriously, they deserve an applause. It's really awesome. We've talked about it. Having Harper on the team now gives us a little more flexibility of like possibly being able to set something like that up. It's just a huge undertaking. Maybe year in the life if you have not seen it. It's an incredible thing. Our studio channel put out just covering literally everything we did last year. It's an hour and a half long. We run on a really efficient and tight schedule. I mean most of us are flights at 4 today and we got in at 10pm last night. So like we do things really fast. So a show like that takes out a huge chunk of what Marques ultimately loves doing, which is making YouTube videos. So as much as we'd like to do it, I think the first ones would probably be around New York City or maybe at a CES or something like that, or near an event on the West Coast. I mean, I'd love to go out of the country and do something. I will be campaigning hard for Puerto Rico. I'm just saying.

[A]

I was gonna say I do. I like what you said about like we're ultimately in our own bubble of like location wise, kind of no matter what. And I, I got like a super huge dose of this. Last year I went to China to play an ultimate Frisbee tournament, but ended up like as soon as I landed I was like, this is a.

[B]

There's.

[A]

First of all, 90% of the cars are electric. This is insane. And like being immersed in that culture, in that space and realizing like this is its own bubble, but there's nothing in common. It's incredible. And so then we came back here and I reviewed the Xiaomi SU7, which was an electric car from China in the US just to sort of shine a light on that. And people were super curious about it and I feel like we should do that more often is sort of poke out of our own bubble and into others and understand like the tech that's running in other places and that's like more advanced than what we see in our own bubble. So I hope to do more of that and maybe we'll go back to China.

[C]

And even with smartphones, it's pretty wild. Like all of the European phones that we're not even getting here that have insane features like the robot phone that we just talked about a few minutes ago, maybe not getting a global launch. So there's just a lot of weird, interesting technology in these other countries that we don't even like. It's kind of hard to even talk about it because we're not even going to be able to utilize it here.

[A]

Yeah, that is actually the hardest part is import. Importing a Chinese car into the US and getting a plate on it and registered to actually drive it and test it. That same problem is true for every piece of tech that's not built for this market, from phones to computers to cars to everything in between.

[C]

And the buttons and the maps don't work.

[A]

And everything is like the entire language, one of the length. It's in Celsius and kilometers. I don't know what's going on, but it is worth the challenge to experience the tech that those places have to offer. Yeah. All right, we'll take one more quick break and when we get back, even more of your questions. Support for the show comes from Odoo. There's an endless supply of software out there that promises to streamline your workflow. That may be true for a specific aspect of your business. But if you need one app for accounting and then one for inventory management and then another for sales, how streamlined can your workflow actually be? If you have to be the middleman between them, Odoo says they're the answer you're looking for. The only business software you'll ever need, Odoo can be the one stop shop for CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. Plus, it's super customizable and easy to use out the box. And the best part, they say that they can not only replace multiple applications, but they say they can do it for a fraction of the cost. So whether you're just starting out today, we're already well on your way to scaling. Odoo wants to help put the clutter aside so you can do what you set out to do when you started the company. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for [e-mail] that's o d o o dot com.

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All right, next question. Back here. Hi, super cool to see you all. I've watched your guys content all the time.

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I really appreciate it.

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Thank you David. Especially for all the film, camera and camera stuff. You've left me to get my own camera. But the question I wanted to ask was actually about form factors I grew up in. Some of my favorite pieces of technology growing up were things like the ipod nano and the very first iPhone and stuff like that. Seeing how much bigger things have gotten year over year, I remember I have a flip now which is the closest thing I could find to a small phone. But when I was searching I was hoping that the trend would continue towards what the Asus Zenfone was like. But then the next version got bigger and bigger. I'm wondering if you guys predict or think that the market and like Sort of tech space will come back towards smaller form factors or whether the trend to get bigger and bigger is just going to be matched by like slimmer and slimmer to save our pockets. Can I ask him a question real quick? Did we do was flip compact phone smartphone award this year?

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I believe it was.

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Do you agree with us that like the flipping phones can start being in our compact form factor? Yeah, I was definitely wondering about that because it's, I mean it's a square now but it's still a chunky square. But I wonder if like Apple's design choices to go towards passport styles are going to start encouraging the rest of phone makers to start looking at smaller phones or whether that bigger iPad space opening is going to be more the direction people are going to head.

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I have something to say about this

[D]

because I used a small phone up until about three or four months ago and mini. Yeah the iPhone 12 mini. And I was that an iPhone 12 mini? I know, right? I was constantly shocked at how many things just didn't work on it. Like how many developers did not take into account that a screen size even like could be that small. Even like when the Apple Sports app first came out it didn't load because like things were off screen and I couldn't scroll the page and so like I want to see these things come back but there's a part of me that's like we've, we're already over the cliff. Like things would need to get re engineered beyond just like different screen.

[C]

I don't know. I mean Android is like, Android is changing a lot to be adaptable to many different types of displays right now. And there's actually a little bit of a Android revolution going on in the small phone form factor world right now. There was a startup that just launched like a square Android phone that everyone's been talking about for the last couple days. There's the clicks communicator. You know, I have to give my little disclaimer, David, disclaimer disclaimer as my roommate. And then there's just like a number of weird, weird form factors that are starting to come out in the Android space. And the current version of Android is specifically tailored to just kind of like grow and shrink and change and I think that there's always going to be a market there. The question is, is it enough to mass manufacture a product like this? That's why we always see these companies releasing a small phone for like one to two years and then like oh well, same result as last time. Nobody wants to Buy it.

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I think that's the key is the. Is how big is the market? Because I think when you talk about small, especially small smartphones, it's one of the most interesting segments in tech because if you ask people, they all say, yes, we want smaller people, we all want, we all want a smaller smartphone. And then when they put it on sale, the bell curve is all people trying to get the biggest phone they possibly can. And so it will be startups, it will be small market stuff, but the bigger companies are finding out that it isn't worth it to develop a separate small phone when such a few amount of people actually buy it. So it's a sad thing. But I agree. I want that Zen phone back. Like, I love that phone, but it does seem like it is more niche than the super big companies are willing to put that effort in.

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Yeah, I want to try and rapid fire a few because we got a lot of people who want options.

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My guess is 13 minutes.

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13 minutes.

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Okay, 13 minutes.

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Sorry to cut you off, Andrew, but

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I miss small phones too.

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Yeah. And you have owned this phone, so you're the worst person I could have cut off.

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But sorry.

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Anyway, one up here in the front.

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Hey guys. Hi, nice to meet you. By the way, Mark, I thought you are way shorter for a while because

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of the photos you take with Justine

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and Saf at the Apple.

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And my question.

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Oh, the sat photos.

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I forgot this. Did you guys ever notice or did you guys ever have an inconvenience or notice a bug that was like so small and so inconvenient, but you still remember and it still annoys you to this day.

[A]

The podcast went live an hour ago, but we just got done talking about this episode. There is. I've tested 300 cars at this point and Andrew's car has a feature that I've never seen in any other car, which is when you change the volume, a full screen volume knob takes over the entire screen to show you your volume. So whatever, navigation, music, whatever was going on disappears and it says, here's your volume. That's insane. I've never seen that before.

[B]

I brought that up on this week's episode. Hopefully you all listen to it after to talk about for like two minutes. And I think half an hour into the episode, we're still complaining about it. So that's like my, my biggest annoyance right now is that yeah, I have

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an Android tv, but the way that it works is it's a projector and then there's an Android TV box that goes in the projector and they have two separate volumes for some reason, but you can only access one. And it's kind of just like quantum. Which one decides to get picked? Like one at one point it's like, oh, the volume's max, it's at 25, but you can't hear it at all. And then you have to turn it off and turn it back on. And then maybe if you flip a coin, maybe you'll be able to turn the volume up. Oh my God. There needs to be a unified system there.

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Just put Claude on it, bro.

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Yeah, maybe Claude can handle it for me.

[B]

All right, next question. Hi, thanks for what you're doing here. I actually wanted to ask about phones, accessory phone devices, I think I was trying to search what the name of the latest one was, but I just saw an article about how people are getting like devices with their phones, like they, you know, they don't have to pull up their phone. I don't know if you've heard of those.

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Like an accessory phone.

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The Clicks communicator was the one in that article. Yeah. Disclosure.

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What do we think of them?

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Yeah, I'd sell for me. Well, Steph Curry had the bomb phone, so it was pretty sweet. I don't know, I. I kind of like the Clicks communicator as just a phone. It looks interesting. I don't think Marques is a two phone person already, so maybe that's something you could do. That part of the accessory is meant for working and more keyboards. And as a keyboard lover, you'd think I would like it. But phone keyboards don't interest me that much.

[C]

I think the most difficult thing about this is text message forwarding is that like if I'm taking a phone for the weekend, generally it can have data, but it doesn't have my phone number. And if everyone would just get on Telegram, then it would be easier.

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Signals.

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Signals, yeah. Probably signals better. I know, but. I know, but Telegram has animations and stickers, so. Yeah, I mean, I love the idea of being able to take something for just the weekend, but if people can't communicate with me, and that's even my concern about the clicks communicator too. It's like it's a communication phone. Yes, it's great for Signal and it's great for Telegram, it's great for Slack, but if people are texting me, which in the United States people still text you a lot, it's kind of hard to justify something like that.

[B]

Totally agree. I think it has to be your same phone number. Yeah, just use WhatsApp? No, no.

[D]

I was using a minimal phone for a few weeks last year until I met my girlfriend and then decided to switch back to my iPhone because I thought I was less funny on a physical keyboard. So that's my opinion. We have one question, right.

[B]

We should redo that worst takes question.

[D]

I think we'd shift two votes over to me for that one.

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We get it. Ellis. You got a girlfriend.

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Hey, y'.

[A]

All. It's lovely to meet you all.

[B]

Thank you, Ellis.

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I love y' all and the entire studio.

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Thank you.

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I think I have a couple things to say. I think I will let OpenClaw access

[C]

my ex's text messages.

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Maybe it can do something I can't. That's just me.

[C]

I want to know if.

[A]

I want to know what your pre production pipeline looks like because I find that pretty fascinating. And also from me to y', all,

[B]

from filmmaker to content creators, could we,

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the film industry, sway y' all to change from 30fps?

[B]

He will get off the stage.

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No, because I think by default it is the best FPS and should remain the default.

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Invest.

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Mario, let's talk, let's talk, let's talk. Can I get. Can I just get why? It's just. To me, it's just most natural. It's just you, you have films.

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That's 24fps.

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It's just one more natural.

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To me, that's just. I just like it, like valid. Valid.

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Okay.

[A]

All right. You know, well, okay, so the pre production stuff, our pre production is we've gotten it pretty streamlined over the years, which is very exciting to me. Someone who loves a few. Efficiency. I talk about the octopus analogy all the time. I don't know if you've heard it before, but I think everyone who starts a YouTube channel or really any creative endeavor kind of turns into an octopus where you're doing a lot, you're on camera, you're also the editor, you're also managing the thumbnails and still graphics, and you're also doing all of the back end and the emails and the accounting, and you're doing everything. And our job as a creator or our dream is to be able to like, cut an arm off and like hand it to someone and have a small team around you that can kind of help with doing the things that they're really good at. And we've done that, which is really exciting. So I can do my job, which is writing, testing the tech. So I find that that's been my best way of visualizing it. That said, 30fps is definitely the move and I'll tell you why it looks so. I used to do a lot of slow pans in my videos and a lot of little slow orbits in videos especially because I'm trying to show you a gadget or a thing so you can see it before you hold it. And anything under 30 to my eye, when I start doing those slow pans, I start seeing a little bit of shudder, a little bit of stutter and that was enough for me to go, okay, I can't do 24. It's gotta be at least 30. Then the argument for like 60 and above 30 comes in and that looks a little bit surreal and video gamey to me. So. So that's how I land on 30 being the ultimate perfect tech review frame rate. If I ever do a short film, I might reconsider, but I'm probably gonna default to 30, probably gonna stick.

[C]

I started doing 30 for the exact same reason, because good fluid heads that were affordable for a college student did not exist. And I just saw this kind of jumpiness. And now my take, which I heard from someone else, I'm just jacking it from them, is that TV is 30 and YouTube is TV. So YouTube should be 30.

[B]

I'll throw one more really quick thing in there. Pre production we have, we're really efficient with just because of, we've all been doing it for so long now post production. One thing we're really trying to work on lately is we have so many videos coming out of our studio because of the different channels. We're really trying to have multiple eyes on it as much as possible because just when you're, you're hitting upload, it's going out to millions of people. We just need to catch things. And one thing we're really trying to working on is fact checking, making sure we're not breaking embargoes and stuff. Just lots of different things in there. Other than that if you haven't watched Year in the Life yet, it definitely has a lot of our pre production stuff in there.

[D]

It's been in because you know, we're not, we don't make a lot of those mistakes as period but as we've ramped up all the different channels and we're making so much more stuff, it's been as unexpected like oh, this is actually going to take a lot more time time than we we would have expected.

[B]

Can I just get a quick time check guys?

[C]

5:23.

[B]

Perfect question back here. Sweet. Thank you guys so much.

[D]

I've been a fan since Middle school

[B]

and to put things in perspective, I

[D]

graduated college four years ago. I guess I'm now

[B]

my question is what's your guys thoughts on how successful

[D]

Android XR is going to be? Do you think it's going to be have a similar marketplace like Meta Ray Bangladesh or is it going to be

[B]

something like Vision OS which no one really uses?

[D]

Hey, they just did the flight simulator thing. Anyone see that?

[B]

No one really XR Are we talking

[A]

about like the, the os?

[B]

Oh, the whole OS and like thinking of going into glasses and stuff like that later?

[C]

Yeah, I think the Google Glass 23 actually because they already did Google Glass 2 is going to use it. I think Android XR is just going to be similar to Android where it needs to be able to fit a number of different form factors. I think there'll be a very small use case for like the VR goggles but ultimately what they want to look forward to is the regular glasses. That's what everyone is realizing now is going to be like the future use case. I think the reason that Google has not actually released anything yet is because it wants to skip over the whole step that Apple kind of stumbled over. You know Apple thought oh we can just put you in a VR headset that sort of also the world around you. But we should just have like a clear glasses display with extra information, ambient information, what Google Glass 1 was in the first place. Just want to say they were 10 years too early. But yeah, I think, I don't know as a platform I think it's going to be more about that singular use case. Even though Google is always about making one platform able to jump around to multiple different circumstances.

[A]

Yeah, I think just for that reason alone the ceiling for it is higher than Vision os because there's the philosophy of like make this incredible headset that you are in all the time and then make it smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. Or start with something like glasses and then make it more and more capable. More and more capable. And it turns out the glasses thing is what people are more gravitating towards. So I think we're going to see more of that.

[D]

Do we have time for one more?

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Three minutes.

[A]

All right, maybe two.

[B]

Hi Nitish, nice to see you again. That's a whole different deep cut altogether. Yeah, good seeing you again. Yeah. First of all, I wanted to say that you guys said a lot of stuff about The Vision, the MacBook Ultra last year and the other Siri stuff. So you said that last year on south by stage. It happened this year so maybe I think you should say things. So Apple adds that to the development pipeline for next year. So that might be a thing. What I wanted to ask is that we have a lot of phones with AI now, almost every phone and every company is trying to do different things mostly with Gemini and yesterday also the Gemini integration for phone use came out yesterday morning. So how much of that stuff do you actually use in your day to day and has it helped you or made things worse for you?

[C]

Yeah, I think Gemini is quite useful in kind of all of its contexts right now. The actual phone use thing is only on the S26 Ultra right now. So only people who have that phone can even try it. And I think right now it's still limited to like calling an Uber and doing Uber eats Pixels two I think

[A]

is it on Pixels Pixels are going to get or it might be out for Pixels as well.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. So I think Gemini is just kind of trying to entrench itself into all of Google. Like they've said multiple times that Gemini is basically the new os and I think we're seeing that every new Android launch is just about Gemini and it will become the entire platform. So whether or not you want to start using AI in your phone, it's just going to be the phone at a certain period of time. Whether or not we actually just go let it buy something on Amazon for you without actually checking it first, that's going to be a whole different story that we're probably going to cover in length once we get there. Yeah,

[B]

I don't use a lot of AI stuff. I feel like it's making my grand regular Google home worse because I just feel like they forgot about all of that stuff.

[A]

But yeah, I use the Gemini stuff a little bit to brainstorm. It's just fun to chat with a brainstorm like an early video concept.

[C]

Can we do one more?

[D]

And 115 my the action button on my phone opens. Does a claud chat. It's a.

[B]

It's here.

[D]

Do we have time for one more in the background?

[C]

Rapid fire.

[A]

Rapid fire. Let's go one more. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Quick question. What are your guys predictions for the PC space by 2030? How are people going to use personal computers? Depends on pricing probably at this point

[C]

it's kind of wild saying how much Apple has gained ground in the last two or three years. Microsoft is, you know, they're kind of just forfeiting a lot of the personal computer space to Apple and Microsoft is really, really entrenched in the the business communication side of Things and with the. With server sales and things like that, and obviously Lenovo issues tons and tons of computers to different industries, but I don't know, it just seems like they don't care as much about the consumer side and the. There's a huge shift that's happening in the personal computer side overall. What?

[B]

One minute warning. Can we do one more right here?

[C]

Okay.

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I think this is the last one.

[A]

Really? Yep.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Hello. So YouTube and other platforms have been trying to push more AI production tools into their platforms.

[B]

And I think the general consensus of

[A]

actual content watchers don't really like to

[B]

engage with AI content. So my question is, who do you assume is actually consuming AI content?

[C]

I know that we've seen OpenAI try to make slop content of a platform.

[B]

So who do you think is actually watching this AI content?

[A]

Or are they just trying to grasp

[B]

at straws and hoping something sticks?

[A]

I can sort of end it with my take on the AI content thing. I think the shape of AI content is one of these of, like, viewership of it. I think right now it's ramping up really quickly because the tools are super available and the barrier to entry is super low and it's super novel. So people see an AI video and they go, oh my God, this is AI. And they actually watch it and they share it and it's interesting and it's spiking. But I do also think, and maybe this is naive and it won't play out the way I think, but I think that people will ultimately want to watch human made stuff. They value the human connection. They want the effort that a human puts into something and they want to reward that and watch that. And that's more interesting. Interesting. And I think once we get over the novelty hump, I think content, whether it's vlogs or reviews or whatever it is, starts to be prioritized as, like, I want to watch the human version and then it goes to the other side of that. That's what I think.

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The personal connections.

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Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. All right, take us out, boys.

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