Meta’s AI Vision..for your Face!

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Meta’s AI Vision…for your Face!
Date: September 19, 2025
Host: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD)
Co-Hosts: Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Ellis
Special Context: This episode dives into Meta’s new AI-powered smart glasses and other major tech news, including reactions to the newest iPhones, MacBook touchscreens rumors, Made On YouTube event, Rivian’s e-bike, and a sprinkle of industry trivia.

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Overview

This episode centers on the latest Meta event, spotlighting their ambitious push for AI-powered smart glasses and the broader implications for the future of on-face tech, privacy, and how we interact with digital content. Woven throughout are hands-on impressions, technical unpacking, and lively debate on whether these devices bring us closer together or push us further into distraction.

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Key Sections & Insights

1. Viral iPhone Review Video and iPhone 17 Air First Impressions

• Team Reaction to Viral iPhone Review

  • The crew reviews a high-production iPhone video trending online, praising its practical effects and visual innovation.
  • [03:32 | Marques]: “I love seeing that on YouTube especially... That is awesome.”

• iPhone 17 Air Discussion

  • Color: Described as “Snow Leopard Blue,” a barely-there blue hue.
  • Main Debate: Is thinness worth it?
    • Battery Life: “C minus, D plus, like, not great levels of battery.” [06:13 | Marques]
    • Feature Trade-offs: No ultra-wide/telephoto camera, single speaker, smaller battery, limits compared to Pro models.
    • Who’s it for? People upgrading from much older devices will feel a big jump; Pro users will miss premium features.
    • Honeymoon Effect: The thrill of thinness fades fast; practical sacrifices add up.
      • Quote: “You really, very quickly, within a week or two, are kind of over how thin it is or you'll put a case on it... and you'll just, just go back to using it like a regular phone.” [15:00 | Marques]
    • Durability: Titanium frame, resistant to bending, reminiscent of “JerryRigEverything” bending tests—panelists predict it’ll briefly bend and snap back.
    • Visual/Audio: Single speaker limits, plateau on the back aids grip; cameras have moved to 48 MP but can overexpose images.
    • Camera “visual intelligence button” bets on how long it’ll last as a feature (panel predicts it’ll disappear by iPhone 19).

2. Apple Rumors: MacBook Pros with OLED Touchscreens

• Next-gen MacBooks:
  • Rumors of OLED touchscreens in MacBook Pros for 2026.
  • Concerns: Fingerprints, smudges, and need for durable, anti-smudge, or nano-texture coatings.
    • Quote: “Do I need it to be even more dirty?” [24:25 | David]
  • Use Cases: Some like touch for creativity (e.g., Photoshop), others barely use it.
  • User experience: Speculation that Apple’s implementation could make it useful without detracting from the existing trackpad-focused workflow.
  • Potential future: Support for Apple Pencil on touchpads floated but not confirmed.

3. Made On YouTube Event — New Features and AI Tools

[28:40]

• YouTube’s major drop: Over 30 new platform features, but the team speed-runs five that matter most:

  1. Dynamically Inserted Mid-rolls: Creators can add/remove/rotate sponsored mid-rolls after publishing (like podcast ads).
     • Quote: “You can be a mid roll in my video for the first month and then it goes away.” [30:30 | Marques]
  2. Auto-dubbing with Lip Sync: AI can dub creators' voices into other languages and sync facial movements.
     • Quote: “It will also adjust my face in the video to look like it’s saying the words in the different language.” [31:20 | Marques]
  3. Collaborations: Dual-publishing to reach multiple subscriber bases, possible analytics/revenue splits.
  4. A/B/C Thumbnail/Title Testing: Built-in multi-variant testing for maximizing clickthrough.
  5. Likeness Detection: New tool to flag AI-created clones of a creator’s likeness, much as copyright flags music.

• AI “Doomsday” Features:

  • AI that generates shorts, voiceovers, or even creates entire videos from random phone clips, potentially flooding the platform with low-effort, mass-generated “slop.”
  • Panel reaction: Both marvel and skepticism; accessibility wins possible, but concern over “democratizing” content to the point of soullessness.
    • Quote: “Some of these features really felt like. I hope people don't use it, you know.” [36:14 | Marques]

• Livestreaming:

  • AI-generated shorts from streams, vertical/horizontal simulcasting, new chatbots for video ideas/analytics in creator studio.

4. Meta’s AI Smart Glasses Event — In-Depth Breakdown

[42:53]

• Event Recap: MKBHD attended in person; demos were impressive, but the live event itself was “brutal” due to repeated technical failures.

Product Lineup:

1. Ray-Ban Meta Gen 2:

   • Improved battery life, camera (3K, up to 60 FPS), conversational focus (beamforming mics to highlight voices in loud environments).
   • Accessibility highlight: Audio boost for hard of hearing.
   • Quote: “[Beamforming mics]…if it was easier to focus on one, I think that would help me.” [46:04 | David]

2. Oakley x Meta Vanguard:

   • Sports-focused, camera between the eyes, IP67, 9-hour battery, overlays Garmin/Strava stats for runners/cyclists, slow-mo and hyperlapse modes, customizable action button.
   • Quote: “If these glasses would just like automatically record every mile and then do a hyperlapse, that’s really freaking…” [47:40 | Ellis]
   • Expected to dominate the athletic market ($499 price point).

3. Ray-Ban Meta Display ($799):

   • Single 5,000-nit monocular display (right eye) with advanced waveguide tech.
   • Ships with “Meta Neural Band” (EMG wristband) for gestural interface: open maps, navigation, live translation/transcription, on-glasses messaging, hands-free handwriting text input.
     • Quote: “I was shocked by how good that demo was, like, how good that tech has gotten in the years since we tried it on.” [57:21 | Marques]
   • Only integrates with Meta-owned services (WhatsApp for messaging, Spotify for music, proprietary maps). No iMessage, SMS, or Google Maps.
     • Panel’s major frustration: Mainstream adoption is hindered by lack of integration with existing comms platforms. “As a consumer, you basically just told me, I can't text message or video call on it.” [59:02 | Andrew]
   • Key Demowins:
     • Live real-time subtitling (even in English, for accessibility or loud environments).
     • Video call: The glasses act as a POV camera; works via WhatsApp only.
     • Handwriting recognition: Extremely accurate, seamless gestural texting.
     • Battery & Case: Up to 6 hours use, sleek origami folding charging case adds 30 hours.

• Societal Reactions:

  • Privacy: Uncertainty when talking to someone wearing the glasses (“Are they paying attention or watching Reels?”).
  • Attention/Psychology: Does it make us more or less present?
    • Quote: “The pitch is being more present, but you can easily be way less present.” [63:02 | Marques]
  • Ecosystem Lock-in: The experience is “siloed” to Meta apps; Apple/Google may have an edge once their XR versions launch.

• Fashion: Lenses also come in transition (clear to tinted); hosts find transition sunglasses “bad at being sunglasses, good at being clear.”

• Future Outlook:

  • If and when Apple or Google launch more open, genuinely “smart” glasses that tie into core phone OS features, mass adoption may accelerate.
  • Panel predicts Meta will make third-party APIs available only after solidifying the market and user base first (see: iPhone history).

5. Rivian E-Bike Leak

[74:49]

• Overview: Early images and analysis of Rivian’s new e-bike (via “also”, a related company).
• Reaction: Looks unconventional; large cargo box, cargo rails, whimsical video teaser with a man in a penguin suit.
• Panel’s concern: Crowded e-bike market, vibe is reminiscent of “boosted” e-scooter misadventures (too niche, too expensive).
• Side discussion: Urban e-bike regulation, city-bike programs, accidental high speeds, urban infrastructure needs.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Marques (iPhone Air honeymoon):

  • “[W]hen you make it thinner, you appreciate that thinness... but the smaller and thinner the object is, the faster the honeymoon period goes away... you kind of get over it pretty quick.” [15:00]

• David (Meta AI glasses, privacy):

  • “Are you cool with having a conversation with someone and seeing their eyes drift a little bit to the side and not knowing if they are watching something, reading something, or if they got an ad, if they got a call...?” [61:16]

• Andrew (on YouTube’s AI slop):

  • “Every tech company that tells you this is how we make you more present is just trying to sell you a thing so they can make you way less present in everything.” [63:22]

• Chris (Meta’s real incentive):

  • “That’s the financial incentive of Meta. Their whole business model is based on engagement. So, the more time you can spend scrolling while being present, the more it works.” [63:10]

• Marques (Meta Glasses future):

  • “Meta has to make this their priority... Apple and Google would make more sense, but it's not their priority.” [67:15]

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• iPhone 17 Air discussions: 04:00–08:50
• Pros/Cons of Air; Battery, Durability: 08:51–14:30
• MacBook Pro OLED Touchscreen Rumor: 22:50–26:45
• YouTube AI features rundown: 28:40–39:00
• Meta Ray-Ban/Oakley Glasses, full event breakdown: 42:53–70:10
• Rivian E-bike leak/reaction: 74:49–79:44

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Trivia & Fun

• Facebook Founders Quiz (85:05 | Ellis): Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCullum, Dustin Moskovitz, Chris Hughes.
• Meta Product Failures (Lasso vs. Libra):
  • Lasso shut down in 2020 (TikTok competitor), Libra/Diem (crypto) outlasted, closing in 2022.

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Closing Thoughts

MKBHD and team take a critical but enthusiastic approach to all these launches, rooting their takes in hands-on experience, thoughtful skepticism, social concern, and a dash of geek culture humor. The future is wearable, AI-driven, but not without trade-offs: presence versus distraction, openness versus lock-in, hype versus true utility. The tech keeps coming; the team keeps it real.

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For listeners, this episode offers a comprehensive, entertaining, and highly contextual overview of the tech world’s current obsessions—from gadgets for your eyes to invisible AI assistants and the ever-blurring line between our digital and physical presence.

Transcript

[Marques Brownlee]

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[David]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[Chris]

This question's either going to be so easy that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new question.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or Organic light emitting diode.

[Andrew]

I knew that's what it was. I'm so happy you said it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Actually, it is it.

[David]

Of course.

[Andrew]

That's really, you know what it was. Really it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh no.

[David]

Figure it out.

[Marques Brownlee]

I thought there's no way to define touchscreen. Yo, what is up people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We are your host.

[Ellis]

Hey hosts.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm Marques.

[Andrew]

I'm Andrew.

[David]

And I'm David.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it's tech timber. Which means we have plenty to talk about.

[David]

That's how it usually goes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let's see, we've got the latest meta event and there's rumors like that popped up really quickly of a new touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro so we can talk about that. Also, some new YouTube features have been announced. We have more thoughts on the iPhone that we are currently reviewing, AKA several of them and a Rivian E bike. So we should start with. Actually, you guys wanted to show me a video that I haven't seen yet.

[David]

I did either.

[Andrew]

We keep getting tagged in this iPhone review video on everywhere and on our subreddit and I think on Discord. But I just posted it in here

[Marques Brownlee]

for a good reason.

[Andrew]

Or for a good reason. Okay, so I only watched like the first two minutes, which is I think all we should watch here. But the production quality is wild and everyone keeps comparing it to us since we're kind of known as the production quality. I'm about to click team. I'll. I'll play it at the same time so David can watch. And I want you two to describe what's going on, because the effects are pretty far out there.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm gonna click it.

[David]

The thumbnail is a man holding the phones out. Okay. He does a pan up, and then it moves. It's definitely a robot shot. And then he stands up. Now it's another robot shot.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh.

[Andrew]

With like, two screens showing 60 and 100 hertz, 20 hertz with, like, a ping pong ball going by it.

[David]

Okay.

[Andrew]

And then an iPhone air. That hits the ping pong ball to him.

[David]

Oh. And he has a magic trick to turn the ping pong ball into the orange iPhone.

[Andrew]

Now watch this. It's on, like a, like, spinning, almost like animation dial with all the phones from the first to the end. Holy.

[David]

Wait, that's cool.

[Ellis]

Geez.

[Andrew]

And then so he spins it, and all the phones of all the generations slowly capture in on, like, the camera, the back, the Apple logo, the front screen, and goes through all of them, and then the whole thing just explodes.

[David]

Wow.

[Andrew]

And the iPhone 17 is floating in the air.

[Ellis]

That looks crazy.

[David]

That was crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was really well done. How much of. Yeah, a lot of this is practical.

[David]

They have the little rainbow thing they've got.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, they do.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, oh, that bezel expansion.

[Andrew]

Oh, I'll stop there.

[David]

But like, yeah, they're making good use of the robot that they got.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Hold on. Wait, we can hear that, like, a lot. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But yeah, this is really good. This is good for YouTube. I've not seen this channel yet. It is not English, so I may have to use auto translate or something to watch it. That will make sense later. We're going to talk more about live translate later. But yeah, that is. That is awesome. I love seeing that on YouTube especially.

[Andrew]

Okay. New iPhones.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

We're in our own studio. You guys have been using them now because the last time we talked, we were out at Apple and you had gotten the briefings, but we hadn't actually.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right, like, use them, use them, use them. Yeah. So I. I went to go put my SIM card in it, and then there was no SIM card trace, so I swapped over my ESIM and then I started using it.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm holding an iPhone air right now. Can you tell it's blue? No, no, I feel like.

[David]

Yeah, it's like snow leopard blue.

[Andrew]

That's a very good descriptor.

[Marques Brownlee]

Snow Leopard means the animal.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like it almost has like a cool tint or it's like it's white but you slid the tin slider.

[David]

Exactly. Because snow leopards are like, they're white, but there's like a. There's like a cast from the snow that makes them look a little bluey because the sky.

[Marques Brownlee]

I never heard that before.

[Andrew]

I'm totally on David's wavelength in this one. I think it's a great descriptor.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, it is.

[David]

We're on today.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is maybe 1 1/2% saturation.

[Andrew]

I think what David's basically saying is it's white, except that it looks like it's in a room that's blue.

[David]

That's right, yeah. If you held it outside, the sky would reflect blue on it slightly.

[Marques Brownlee]

See how it's white on this table and it looks kind of blue and then I put it over here where it looks kind of blue and now it looks white. So anyway, it's barely blue. Copyright. The number one question I've been getting, because I've been using the Air. I think a lot of people who have been asking me about the phones have been asking me about the Air. Should I get the air? I usually get the Pro, but should I get the air this time? And so Apple did the thing where they put the Pro chip in it and they have promotion and they're talking about the power of the Pro, but in an ultra thin body. It is a really great phone to use in a vacuum, but it dies really fast, unfortunately. And it's not in a vacuum. You have to compare it to other available phones. And other available phones have better features like an ultra wide camera or a telephoto camera or a bigger, better battery. Are you taking a picture of me or selfie?

[David]

I'm just trying out the 2X. Like, yeah, the 2X camera.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So in general, I have been enjoying this phone and using it and it's very pretty and very fun to hold. And I've been using it with no case and it's super nice, but unfortunately it has not lasted me a whole day yet. Oh, like at all? Not well.

[Andrew]

So your first couple of days you said were most likely because of just like it's setting up the phone and downloading stuff.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right. But so the first few days I had really bad. This always happens when I test new phones. It's like it's setting everything up. It's downloading all my like offline media like it usually does. It's logging into all my apps and everything's. Opening for the first time ever. So it's not like normal use. I think the first day I had like an hour and a half screen on time with 20% battery. So that's. That was obviously not how it's supposed to go, but now I've been like, settling into it. Adaptive battery is on by default on all these phones. So it has been on on this phone and now I'm getting up to the three and a half to four hours of screen on time, dead at the end of the day type usage, which is C minus, D plus, like, not great levels of battery. And that also conveniently brings us to the accessories that, like, Apple's made it easy to charge this phone. It has Magsafe still in QI2. And then they have that battery that they made for the air that you can pop it on the back, which brings it from the thinnest iPhone ever to the thickest iPhone ever. And then it charges it up roughly once. It's about the same size as the internal battery. I popped the ridge battery bank on the back and that also did really well. That can charge it up two or three times, which is nice. But yeah, it's. I found myself because I came from a pro and this will be some other people's experience too. I went to go take a picture of something. I went to go switch the ultra and there was none. Darn. I went to go watch a video that would have like nice stereo video and. Oh, there is no stereo audio. Darn. Oh, I want to like. There's a bunch of things that you forget that you don't have until you go to use.

[David]

How does it sound with just a single?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's honestly fine. It's fine until you think about it. And then you realize the audio is only coming from one side. So if you watch a video in horizontal, all the audio comes from the left side or from the earpiece side.

[Andrew]

I want Ellis to buy this just so he has to live in hell every day.

[Chris]

I wish, I wish you guys could have been there when the iPhone 10 came out and me and all my audio friends were just turning our phones to the side and hearing it in stereo and being like, this is. This is the craziest.

[David]

We had that on Android. That was quite a while. Yeah, we had the boom sound. We got.

[Marques Brownlee]

That boom sound was pretty, Pretty elite. Boom, boom, boom. Pretty elite.

[David]

Yeah, they would say. So I'm Black Eyed Bees.

[Marques Brownlee]

I am basically looking through this. This phone. I'm looking at this phone through the lens of what phone Are you coming from. Because if you're coming from a phone with more features, you're going to miss some stuff. But if you're coming from an older phone with less features, you might be cool with it.

[David]

It would have to be a much older phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm thinking like 12 and 13. Like if you have a, let's say a 12 mini, for example.

[David]

I don't know anyone that still has a 12 mini.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, just put the hypotheticals. Just like think of a person who happened to stumble into the trap and buy a 12 mini.

[Chris]

Right?

[David]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So they already have horrible battery life.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

They already have a single camera if they were real or. No, you have dual cameras. So you have dual cameras.

[David]

It has two.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they already have, they have a small screen, it's 60Hz and they don't have a whole ton of like big speakers or huge Pro power chip or anything like that. If they move directly to the iPhone air, they will think, whoa, my battery's got way better screen. Battery life is a little better. Promotion 120Hz. They'll be missing one of their cameras, but they'll have way more power, they'll have a smoother phone and they'll feel like it's an upgrade.

[Ellis]

We could still hypothetically do a battery percentage segment every week.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hypothetically, of course. Of course.

[Chris]

Does the phone get really hot?

[Marques Brownlee]

That's one of the things I was thinking about. So in my normal bursty everyday use. No. I plan to do a test today to see if like long term heavy use, which is the thing that the vapor chamber in the Pros is supposed to keep cool and if that makes this phone hot. But I have not tested that yet. That is a good question. I will know the answer by the end of today.

[Chris]

So hypothetically, this, you know, hypothetical 12 mini user would also be like, oh, this phone's not really hot all the time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, potentially. Yeah. I mean I just, My current battery is. It's 11:00am I'm at 89%. That's, that's about as good of a morning as I've had with this phone.

[David]

That's pretty good because I'm at, I'm at 90% and I charged my phone in the car today.

[Ellis]

Yeah, so I, I'm at 79, but I woke up at 82.

[Andrew]

So are you plugged in when you came into work today?

[Marques Brownlee]

Nope.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I Woke up with 107 30. So lightweight use. But that's with only how much I did carplay and the screen off the whole time. So I've only had 32 minutes of screen on time. So multiply that by 10. That's like three and a half hours. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Ellis, what's your battery life right now?

[Andrew]

Hypothetically.

[Ellis]

Hypothetically, if you were to have a 12 mini.

[Andrew]

Wait, your 12 mini matches your Lacroix? That's the most Ellis thing that's ever happened on the podcast.

[Ellis]

Thumbnail.

[David]

Yeah. What's your battery? Is it better than Marquez's?

[Chris]

I'm guessing. What'd you say yours was?

[Marques Brownlee]

89. Yeah.

[David]

Definitely not.

[Chris]

What do you think?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it's probably lower.

[Andrew]

I think it's having a good day. 68.

[David]

3.

[Chris]

It's 68 exactly.

[Andrew]

Is it really? Yeah.

[David]

That's like, the ideal temperature.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I could agree.

[David]

Okay, so we can now talk about. At Apple park, they brought us through a bunch of demos, and one of the demos was that they were putting a bunch of pressure on the iPhone air. They have this pressure chamber thing where they have this weight that they presses on the center of it, and it puts all this force on it. And. And they made the air still have a titanium frame because they want it to be able to snap back to its, like, original position.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Whereas I believe aluminum is a little softer. So they showed us all these demos, and it made it seem like it was gonna be stable. Has that felt concerning to you at all? Because, I mean, you're probably not the target demographic, but a lot of women put these phones in their back pockets.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David]

They're sitting on them all the time and kind of crunching them. What. What are your feelings on that?

[Marques Brownlee]

So I. I'll give my official Jerry everything prediction.

[David]

Yeah. Everyone's waiting.

[Marques Brownlee]

We're recording this on Wednesday. Everyone's waiting for Zach.

[David]

That's going to get 10 million views,

[Marques Brownlee]

no matter what happens. Yeah. Zach tries to bend every phone fairly. He tries really hard. Oh, sorry. It's Thursday. My God, it's Thursday as we record this. So he hasn't bent or tried to bend the air yet. But, yeah, Apple first they had us try to bend something ourselves, and it was measuring how much force we put through the phone. And the most I saw anyone put through it was a little over 85 pounds of force. And they said, that's you trying as hard as you can to bend something. You put 85 pounds of force through your hands to try to bend it. So then they put it on that machine, and they put 130 pounds of force through the middle in, like, a really small, concentrated area. Your butt sitting on a phone is not the same as a small, concentrated area putting £130 through the middle. But let's say you really, really tried and you put £130 through the phone and it did start to bend. Then they released the pressure and the titanium frame bent back to flat.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I've watched a couple other interviews and a couple other instances of Apple executives talking about this phone. When they get cornered and pressured and asked about it bending, they seem to always suggest it'll bend back, it'll go back to flat. So even if you put a ton of pressure through the phone, it'll go back to flat. So my prediction is Zach will on camera get the phone to visibly bend enough for a thumbnail, but it will bend back to flat, and that's what will happen. I don't worry about sitting on the phone and actually bending it in half. I have sat on it two or three times, but not on like a hard surface. So I haven't been at risk of bending it yet. But I suspect it's actually fine because Apple has lots of engineers that have thought many, many, many, many, many hours about this, because this phone's number one concern is bending.

[Andrew]

I think the most impressive part about one of those interviews was when I think it was Jaws threw it to someone from like, Tom's hardware and he just doesn't catch it and it slams, like face down on the table next to him. And because he's like, try and bend it and just slams the table. And that part of it being fine was kind of impressive.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, it's ceramic shield too, on the front and the back. And Apple did have a slide in the keynote that said this was the most durable iPhone ever. They actually said that.

[Andrew]

I'm assuming it will be the most durable because it will also be the least repairable, if I had to guess.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a great question. I also have not seen any ifixit or teardowns or anything of this phone yet. It is rearranged on the inside and a lot of components are up at the top now. And the most, most of the bottom is batteries here.

[David]

Well, so that begs the question and the. In the words of Marc Anthony, I need to know. I need to know. Tell me, baby Marques, because I need to know.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[Ellis]

I really appreciate that reference.

[David]

You're welcome.

[Andrew]

Good job.

[David]

Is this worth the trade off of it being a little bit thinner? This is like, how do you feel about. What is the. Is the thinness you're losing all this stuff?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

How do you Feel about overall.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's this phrase called the honeymoon period. Yeah, right.

[David]

I know it well.

[Andrew]

Okay, so.

[Marques Brownlee]

So in the world of larger and larger objects, when you make it thinner, you appreciate that thinness or that that size improvement more. So you could go as large as like appliances or cars or whatever. But even in like a laptop, when you go from a really thick laptop to a really thin laptop, you can appreciate that for a long time. And I think the smaller and thinner the object is, the faster the honeymoon period goes away. And so with this phone, I've really admired and appreciated how pretty it is. It's very thin and it's cool to hold. And every time, you know, for the past day or so that I've had it in public, people are like, oh, is that the air? And I'm like, yeah, isn't it so pretty? And then like it dies at 6pm and I'm like, ah, I don't really care about it being thin anymore. Like you really, very quickly, within a week or two are kind of over how thin it is or you'll put a case on it or you'll just, just go back to using it like a regular phone. And so I think there will be people who buy it because it's really thin and then they'll get over it and it'll just be a normal phone and they'll have to. The thing is, it's going to be like annoying in two or three years when a battery dies even faster and you have to charge it even more often. That'll be kind of a bummer. Yeah. But I think, yeah, the, the honeymoon period of, wow, this phone's really pretty and slightly thinner than a regular iPhone. You kind of get over it pretty quick.

[David]

I think a very large percentage of the iPhone buying population just wants an iPhone. And so if they're able to get something that's nice and a little bit unique and pretty, they're gonna buy that.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I watched the base 17 if they.

[David]

Well, I was gonna say because this is way prettier.

[Andrew]

This is cooler and it's not. It's now cheaper than the pro models.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So like it is still. It's just flashy, fun iPhone for non tech person. But you don't have to do Max Pro Max anymore.

[David]

It's a way to get something different. And if you just want iOS because you want iMessage and you want FaceTime and you want, you know, all your apps, then there's going to be a lot of people that buy.

[Ellis]

This one doesn't come in green.

[Andrew]

That green is really good.

[David]

Seeing it in person, the green is amazing.

[Marques Brownlee]

So we, we talked briefly about, like, the. The vacuum of this phone. Like, it's a pretty good phone, but then you compare it to other phones and the base iPhone 17 being such a good deal, and then the Pro iPhones. You know, this is the other thing. When I review the pros, like, this phone being so thin, I feel like gave the pro phones a green light

[David]

to just do whatever they want.

[Marques Brownlee]

Go big, go thicker, do whatever, more battery.

[David]

They're reminiscent of the MacBook Pros. Cause they're aluminum. They're thicker.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. So I think in the latter now of Apple products of like, base iPhone and then air and then pro and then Pro Max, the weird thing is if you tell people to skip the air and you're like, hey, you have a base phone, but you want a bigger screen, you have to go all the way to pro Max, which is a pretty huge jump.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I think there are people out there who see the base iPhone 17. They're like, I want a bigger screen. And then I see the bigger screen is the air, and they go, oh, but that one is one camera, worst battery, single speaker and all these other things. I guess I have to go all the way to prom and they just walk themselves all the way up the ladder.

[David]

I also have held that and like the screen size of 6.7 inches, right?

[Andrew]

6.5.

[David]

6.5.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it's.

[David]

I feel like that's a really nice middle ground.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a big screen.

[David]

It feels like a nice middle ground. The 6.9. The Pro Max, Pro Max just is so freaking big.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's huge.

[David]

I want something in between.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

I, I think ultimately it's going to come down to heart versus brain.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[David]

It's like former function, your brain. Yeah, former function, your brain is like the base iPhone has everything I could ever want. And it's cheaper and it's technically better in every way.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's literally a better phone.

[David]

But my heart.

[Andrew]

Yeah, no, I think a lot of

[David]

sings for the air.

[Andrew]

I think a lot of iOS users use their heart people.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it's that new. New weird to say.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

The Android people are like, give me the specs, baby.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, in Android Land, it's so easy to just go, why would you ever buy. Yeah, of course, it's clearly not the phone to get.

[David]

Of course.

[Andrew]

In brain Land.

[David]

In brain.

[Andrew]

Because it's big brain time.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's.

[Andrew]

There's.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's spec people and then there's Just like I just want the new iPhone. What's. What are the three.

[David]

And this is the prettiest new iPhone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Fingerprint city.

[David]

Some thoughts about the Pro. Um, I do like I. I'm liking currently. This could be the honeymoon period. The unibody aluminum chassis. Very into it because it feels a lot like an old HTC phone to me.

[Andrew]

Whoa.

[Marques Brownlee]

That color throwback, I love that.

[Andrew]

Screams old HTC phone or like end of the life HTC phone. Yeah.

[David]

Like holding the sides of it. Holding like feeling the back. Like I just know what the feeling of cold aluminum feels like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[David]

It reminds me of that a lot. And so that. That's kind of just. It's a small thing, but it's.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's nice.

[David]

I did like a couple of people that I've been hanging out with are like, they didn't even notice that this was the new one. And they're like, are they sending you the new one? And I'm like, the one right there, like right next to me. And they're like, oh, can I see it? Can I see it? And I hand it to them and they're scrolling around and they're like, oh, it's the same. I'm like, yeah, it's an iPhone. It's an iPhone.

[Andrew]

I don't know what to tell you.

[David]

And then they just hand it back and then they're over it.

[Chris]

So I showed someone the plateau and I was like, check it out. They. They changed it and they're like, oh, I think the.

[Andrew]

Can I see yours real quick? Just cuz I. Okay.

[David]

The.

[Andrew]

The Apple logo is much easier to see on this. The orange one. It feels kind of tough to see sometimes when the light's hitting the like glass back.

[David]

I've also gotten pretty used to the look of the plateau on the Pro and I think it looks pretty good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Pretty decent, small, underrated thing. The. The way you hold your phone. The plateau on the back. I forgot. So many years on Android phones have been using it to hold the phone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And so it feels more natural to. To hold the phone with the plateau on the iPhone now too. I like that about it.

[David]

Definitely. Yeah, that's pretty much it though. I mean the cameras, I'm GLAD they're all 48 megapixels. They told me that they have a re engineered pipeline for the. The crop modes where they use the 12 megapixel in the center of the sensors and then it should be much higher quality. Dave2D put out a video about this and it looked much higher quality. He also did a bunch of camera samples versus the 16 Pro. And the skin tones are way better. Like across the board. They looked very washed out on the 16 pros. But the 17 pros. One thing I have noticed is a lot of my photos come out a little bit overexposed. Um, and it sort of feels like because they make the sensors bigger every year, they just keep forgetting to like retool how much light is coming in versus how much they should process it. And so they're. Everything is really bright.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

So just straight out of camera, no changes. Everything's a little overexposed for me right now. But I'm sure that'll.

[Marques Brownlee]

You gotta use camera control to dial in your look.

[Andrew]

That look, they put it on the top.

[David]

Now they're going to start calling this the visual intelligence button. Mark my words.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

Cuz they didn't.

[Andrew]

Or the button that never existed. They'll just completely nix it and never speak of it.

[Marques Brownlee]

You should take bets on waveform on when that button goes away.

[David]

It'll go away for sure. There's too many things on the side of this phone at this point.

[Marques Brownlee]

IPhone 18 is still there on the fold on this next 20. 26.

[David]

It'll still be there next year.

[Andrew]

What about 19?

[Marques Brownlee]

19.

[David]

Either 19 or 20.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it's gone by 19.

[David]

I would say 19.

[Andrew]

I would probably guess 19 also. Yeah, I'll go 18.

[David]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it's.

[David]

And you know what they'll do? They'll take it away and they'll be like, with that space, we may fit 50 more milliamp hours of battery. They'll say.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's exactly what they'll say.

[David]

I would say that the. The front facing square sensor has been a hit for a lot of people.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

I show that to some people and they're like, that's such a cool feature. That's so amazing.

[Marques Brownlee]

I. Everyone should copy.

[Andrew]

So good.

[David]

Yeah, everyone should copy. And they will.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Don't worry. Yeah, they will.

[Marques Brownlee]

Who's first to copy that?

[David]

Oppo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Samsung. Yeah. Oppo moves fast. It's going to be like Huawei, Xiaomi. Oppo. Yeah, fair. Also, a new Apple rumor and this came up on my timeline and it was just like immediately corroborated everywhere. Which is next. MacBook Pros will have touchscreens. OLED touchscreens.

[David]

Is it the Pros?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, MacBook Pros.

[David]

That's interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

That is.

[Andrew]

And by next you mean next year.

[Marques Brownlee]

Next year's MacBook Pros like M5.

[Andrew]

Assuming if there is another one out

[Marques Brownlee]

this year, M5 or M6, maybe M6, but looks like next year we're expecting. Because all the rumors are seeming to agree now that there will be an OLED incel touchscreen MacBook Pro on cell. On cell. On cell. I said incel meaning in space cell, but on space cell is the correct term. Got it. That's just the tech that incorporates the sensors in the top layer of the oled. Yeah, I don't know if I want that. I know a lot of people who have been expecting it and asking it because of how powerful iPads have gotten and how much that overlap with MacBook Pros. I use the TouchPad, which is really great. And I don't think I.

[David]

If they were able to develop some sort of like anti smudge technology.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

To put on the display. Because I used to use a lot of Surface Pro devices. I had a Surface book. I was like so hyped on the first Surface book. And then I bought the two and I bought the three and I really liked it for Photoshop because being able to sort of just like zoom in by pinching on the area you need is very handy and like panning around the screen. I really liked that. But now that I use a MacBook Pro, most of the time it. The screen already gets so dirty that I'm like, do I need it to be even more dirty? And so, you know, I don't know if it was just there as a feature. They'll probably figure out some interesting implementation of adding a touch screen. Like something that actually makes it better, I would hope.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The os. Well, first of all, the OS has looked like it's been ripe for a touch screen support for a little while now.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I will also throw in that I was very impressed with the Nano Texture iPad because it looks really good and it's a matte display and it also seems to be durable enough and doesn't get a ton of fingerprints. So if they can do something like that for the MacBook Pro. Because my MacBook Pro's nanotexture but doesn't seem to be durable.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. Fingerprints I could definitely see like, because there's the notification center where you can just. If you were just able to tap that with your thumb, it could be quick.

[Andrew]

There's. I feel like if you use one for long enough. When I was using Surface stuff also I didn't care. And then I slowly started realizing small times that I would use it. And then I came to my MacBook and I was Just touching the screen all the time. Nothing was happening. Yeah, it's really even just like, sitting right here. Sometimes you can just, like, have your thumb and, like, swipe around on the page and, like, scroll for things on a plane or a train or something. That would be nice, just reading articles. It's.

[Marques Brownlee]

It would.

[Andrew]

And it's. There's nothing. It doesn't take away from your regular experience. So I feel like they should add it because it's a feature that doesn't hurt.

[Marques Brownlee]

I.

[Chris]

When I was a. When I was a teacher, I had a lot of students, and this actually happened to me on my first college or high school laptop, which had Windows with a touchscreen. And I don't think this will happen to a MacBook. But when you said it doesn't take away when that touchscreen breaks and you're trying to scroll, you know, move your cursor around the screen and it keeps jumping to random points. And then you have to go into the settings and disable the touchscreen while the cursor is going boing, boing, boing, boing.

[David]

That.

[Chris]

That is. That is.

[Andrew]

That is assuming you're someone who takes care of your computer. That hopefully won't happen.

[Marques Brownlee]

They really.

[Andrew]

Those are like school computers, right?

[Chris]

No, these were just like Windows laptops that cost under $2,000. So they were destined to. Destined to. I shouldn't say that. I'm sorry.

[Ellis]

I'm sorry.

[David]

They really just need to make the touchpad accessible with the Apple pencil, like, at some point.

[Marques Brownlee]

That would actually be awesome.

[David]

It's the size of a small Wacom tablet already. And if they just gave it Apple pencil support, then you wouldn't need to make it a touchscreen.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've tested many laptops with touchscreens over the past few years, and I never use the touchscreen with my hands. Like, all the Surface laptops, all these other laptops. I'm aware that I can do it. I just. The touch points are small enough that I just hit it with the cursor every time. Maybe I'm old school.

[Andrew]

I bet if you had it for long enough. I bet if this laptop had it and you're just using it every day, you would slowly start to find times where it's like just a nice little extra thing.

[David]

I really liked it in Photoshop.

[Chris]

I used the touchscreen on my asus Zen book, fold 17. I think I got that right.

[David]

The one last year.

[Chris]

No, the one for, like, four years ago. But I like that it's the one that, that, that, that it sandwiches its

[David]

Own Two years ago. That was like two years.

[Chris]

And it has an easel. Yeah, I'm talking about.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, Zen. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris]

That thing is kind of fun. I like that. And I actually use that with the touchscreen.

[Andrew]

Oh, that one.

[Chris]

Yeah. It sucks. It's like the worst computer ever. But.

[Andrew]

But that's. That's like different. That's because it's like not a computer. It's more like a folding tablet that has a. Yeah.

[David]

That runs Windows tablet that turns into.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's a tablet that runs Zoo Tycoon 2 because it still has DirectX support.

[David]

Hell yeah. Okay, well, I hope to see that eventually. We'll see. There. There are a lot of rumors of another Apple event happening in the next, like, number of months in.

[Andrew]

In this article. They seem to think German and Quo both think the. The Like Base MacBook with the iPhone chip in it are going to come out.

[David]

Q4, 20, 25, the 13 inch or whatever.

[Ellis]

That's the one I'm waiting for.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David]

It's incredible. I need to have something super small and like, that'd be great. I alternate. Really? I'm always like, I need a maximalist.

[Andrew]

Wait, I need the 16 inch.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm. I hate that I sometimes have to edit on my laptop because if I didn't, I'd have such a thin and light laptop. Yeah. But for the one or two times every year that I need, I can't not have this. I'm really glad I switched from the 16 to 14. I will say that I'm very glad about that. For those who are wondering, on the podcast, I was very torn. I did the 14. No regrets.

[David]

Interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

All right, do we want to quickly talk about this made on YouTube event before I take it to break or.

[Marques Brownlee]

Ooh, how much do. Should I limit how much I have to say on this?

[Andrew]

They released 30 features. Can you name five speedrunners?

[Marques Brownlee]

I can.

[Andrew]

Your five favorites. Speedrun.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, so the TL Dr. Is YouTube had their own event which was kind of just like a tech event where they invited a bunch of people. A bunch of them were YouTube creators, but also a bunch of them were journalists. I happened to ride the line and be covering it also using the features. So it was cool to be there. And they had executives on stage and they talked over 30 new features coming to YouTube. So basically new products for us to use and then demoed them and gave us, you know, a little how to on what they. They will do. And some of them are rolling out quickly, some of them are rolling out later. Some of them are really cool. Some of them are absolutely useless to me and hopefully won't spell the end of humanity. Okay, great. So here's my some of my favorites.

[Andrew]

Where is this going?

[Marques Brownlee]

Some of my favorites are dynamically inserted mid roll ads. Could be very interesting.

[Andrew]

Please explain yourself because that sounds terrible.

[Marques Brownlee]

So right now on YouTube there's a couple different types of ads. There are the adsense ads like the pre rolls and the post rolls and the pop up ads that you guys have seen on YouTube. And then there's also mid ro which is I'm watching YouTube video and then boom, a mid roll pops up and plays and then goes away and then comes back to the video. Right. Those are all supported and have been around for a while. Then there are the ads that a creator will bake into the video themselves and it's burned in forever. It's like, hey, this video is brought to you by and that lives in the video forever. So as of right now, creators have only had one way to structure deals around that type of ad, which is you can pay me to get in front of my audience and it will live. No matter how many views this video gets, it will live in the video forever. Some people are like doing performance incentives or like number of views incentives or whatever, but basically it lives forever. This new dynamically inserted mid roll feature will allow creators to have a burned in video ad that can go away or be replaced or moved to another video or be across their whole channel or whatever and have many more dynamic ways of struct, structuring deals around that type of thing. You can be a mid roll in my video for the first month and then it goes away. Interesting. Or you can be a mid roll for the first year and then it goes away.

[Andrew]

Well, and you're saying that's something that we would still record. It would still be Marquez doing the ad spot. Correct. And then. But it could be in and out. It's like not baked into the video, it's baked into a ad slot. Almost like podcasts. Like what we do, how we do it here.

[Marques Brownlee]

Exactly.

[Andrew]

We record our ads and. But they're dynamically inserted and can get changed.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, exactly. This is so in the audio world with podcasts, when you hear a two year old podcast, but it has a one week old ad in it, that's what's happening is their entire catalog is getting dynamically inserted ads. And that's something you could theoretically do with YouTube videos with this feature. So that's pretty cool. That's a thing that will Matter in the podcast world for us and probably in other main channel videos. And we can try this stuff out. But that I think is really powerful. So that's on top of my list. Auto dubbing with lip sync. This is really interesting. We know about auto dubbing, which is AI making a voice that sounds kind of like my voice but in different languages. It will also adjust my face in the video to look like it's saying the words in the different language. And I got a demo of it and it looked really good. I don't know how well this will work for different types of videos.

[Andrew]

I so bad want to see what the lips would do with the French dub. We had a couple.

[Marques Brownlee]

It just opens all the way. Yeah, that so, you know, it's great for the demo that I got was just like a clean talking head video. So it's just a guy talking to a camera. So of course it knows which mouth to move to make the language match. Okay, but how will it work if I'm cutting back and forth between B roll or if there's two people on camera? Because I have no idea how that works.

[Andrew]

Interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it seemed cool. So that's another one.

[David]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Collaborations. You've seen a post on Instagram where both creators get publishing credit. Similar on YouTube, it will go to all the subscribers of one of the channels, but it will get recommended to the viewers of all of the channels involved in the collaboration. That's pretty cool.

[David]

And is revenue based on who drove the traffic?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think revenue is split between the creators or I think this is something they're gonna let you choose. But also you can choose who to share analytics of the video with. So you can share analytics with if it's a brand partner collab or if you want to share it with everyone who is a collab. Everyone can see the analytics in their studio. So that's pretty cool. And then there's also things that we have already been testing like ABC thumbnail and title testing and likeness detection, which I think I've described on here already. No, have I not?

[Andrew]

Or I spaced out.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, likeness detection. So you know how there's the copyright ID system on YouTube where there's like hashes where YouTube auto detects like a part of a song and can go around and autonomously show bring them to a hub for the copyright owner to do what they want with. Similar thing, but for AI recreations of my likeness. So YouTube has scanned my channel, knows what my likeness is, and I have flipped into this tool on occasion and just scrolled Through. It's mostly people re uploading my video, but if anyone ever made an AI recreation of my likeness, it would show up in here and I could take action.

[David]

What about, like, commentary? Like, if someone is. Is like showing a video and they're reacting to it and talking about that, that's fine though.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's like a weird, like, byproduct is those videos also show up in this tool because it's my likeness.

[David]

Also, if you were to like flag it, did they get in trouble?

[Marques Brownlee]

That would be an abuse of the system. You should. It's kind of like copyright. Copyright id. Like, you should not misuse this tool. But it will be aggregating all.

[David]

The Stern Music Group would have something

[Marques Brownlee]

to say about, you know, YouTube stuff. Supposed to be on top of that, but yeah. Okay, it varies then. There are some also potential doomsday level features that, you know, they kind of. It's YouTube and it's. It's a product and it feels like they have to do this, but like VO being baked into YouTube shorts where now if you just. If you give it access to your camera roll and give it like your last three videos in your camera roll, it will like make a short with a voiceover in whatever style you want of what's happening in videos.

[Andrew]

You're doing this stuff on video and it's like commentating for you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The example they gave was like, you have six or seven videos of you following a recipe and making cookies and you tell it like, here's the six videos and you go, make this a video with vo. And it will go, hi, I'm making a video of me making these cookies. Step one, your voice. It's AI generated voice. Yeah, I didn't love that.

[David]

I'm gonna die.

[Andrew]

It's just so boring.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I don't know.

[David]

Let's keep adding slop to the Internet. My guys.

[Marques Brownlee]

The value. The value prop was that this is like, not really that this feels like

[Andrew]

one of those things where like, there is no, like, at best an accessibility feature. Like if somebody has a speech issue or something like that and they want to do cooking things, then have something else dub it for them. Like you could pay someone to do that.

[Ellis]

It's just. That's a Robot voice on TikTok, where if you don't want to talk, you just have the voice do it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

It's just that without having to type the script, I guess I really want

[Chris]

to make videos, but I just hate making videos. What are you talking about?

[David]

Yeah, we're democratized. There's another video making process so people

[Chris]

who don't want to do it can do it. Like what?

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Some of these features really felt like. I hope people don't use it, you know. Are you seeing.

[Andrew]

Sorry, no, sorry. Tim just posted this or also shout out. We posted a bonus episode yesterday that's really fun. It's Ellis and I pretty much talking live at the Apple event and then cousin David come in at the end.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

But Tim just saw it next to a trailer for now you see me now you don't. And it looks like exactly the same groups of people.

[David]

By the way. Shout out to the now you see me movies. Those movies are really good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Are they?

[Ellis]

Shout out to all the people that came to talk to us while we were sitting outside.

[David]

Also, we have more views than the now you see me know you don't trailer.

[Marques Brownlee]

Very good.

[David]

Okay. Anyway, more world ending events. What's the next world ending event?

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, I think all of the AI generated stuff. Like there were like you could give it some video and it would turn that into a song and then you could use. I don't know, I didn't. I didn't pay too much. I kind of spaced out at the AI stuff. Like it didn't seem very useful. I would never use it but maybe somebody will.

[David]

This is like Mad Libs use of AI. It's just like put a bunch of verbs and nouns and then make an AI generator that does that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. But then they had some interesting features for live streamers as well. Obviously live streaming is huge. A lot of people are doing it on Twitch or like multi platform. So they have some things where like it will auto generate shorts from highlights of your live stream. So a lot of people pay people to do that right now. But it will detect what the highlights are and make shorts for you based on that you can also you will be able to stream horizontally and vertically at the same time so you're discoverable in the shorts feed. But then you're also doing a whole livestream which is cool side by side ads and a stream so you don't miss all the action. But you can do mid rolls without having stuff disappear. And then one maybe interesting one maybe not but we'll see is an assistant built into YouTube creator studio that's trained on all of your stuff and all the analytics performance that you can ask for ideas for your next videos they've done.

[Andrew]

Didn't they kind of have that already? It wasn't an assistant, it was like a tab that would be like these could be some new. And it was always just like it was called inspiration.

[Marques Brownlee]

It would give you clickable. Yeah, this one's a full on chatbot experience where you talk to it and you're like, can you summarize the comments on my last two videos? And then you can ask it, what should I do in my next video? And give me a title suggestion and you can chat with it and it'll talk to you through your. It's trained on just your channel, which could be cool. Maybe.

[Ellis]

I have a Google sheet of all of our past episodes with all the stats and numbers and everything there. And in Google sheets, they've had this little Gemini assistant thing. And it does have some interesting prompts. It'll be, do you want me to find the outliers of your top five best performing or worst performing episodes? And I'm like, sure, yeah. And it does.

[David]

It.

[Ellis]

It's pretty cool. So, like, if they could bring that to YouTube studio, I wouldn't be mad at that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I think that'd be cool.

[Ellis]

Yeah. But we'll see.

[Marques Brownlee]

We'll see if it understands what I. What I ask it when I say, tell me outliers from September of every year for the last 10 years. And it has no idea what I'm asking.

[David]

We'll see, though.

[Andrew]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

But yeah, YouTube, lots of new features and lots of AI doomsday level slop. It's sick.

[David]

Love slop. All right. Speaking of slop.

[Marques Brownlee]

We are not slop. That's not the transition we needed by that.

[Chris]

So I was reading the VO terms of service. You know, just things that.

[Andrew]

Just a little light reading.

[Chris]

Yeah, just a little light reading. Guys, we talked about a rumor. A rumor about a MacBook. A rumor about a MacBook that has an OLED screen. This question's either going to be so easy that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new question.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or Organic light emitting diode.

[Andrew]

I knew that's what it was. I'm so happy you said, actually, it is it. Of course that's what it was. Really. It.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, no. Figured out, I thought, there's no way

[David]

to find touch screen.

[Andrew]

You know, I knew it because during the bonus pod, we were talking about something and Ellis just started going at me about what is modem stand for? In front of some guy I'd never met before. I was like, this is just going to be.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's my bad. That's really my bad.

[Ellis]

Okay. Okay, new question.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, okay.

[Ellis]

So in the next section, we're going to be talking.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm just not going to say anything. Yeah.

[Ellis]

No, no, no. No one speak. In the next section, we're going to be talking about Facebook. So, one point per founder. Can you name the other founders besides Mark Z?

[David]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis]

No, no, don't say it.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, don't say anything.

[Ellis]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[David]

Oh, sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

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[David]

Let's talk about the Meta event that happened this week as well, because the tech number will just not stop.

[Marques Brownlee]

Let's talk about the Meta event that happened this week. What?

[Andrew]

What comes first?

[Marques Brownlee]

What comes first? Meta. What do I do first?

[Andrew]

What do I do first?

[Marques Brownlee]

Meta. What do I do first?

[David]

Okay, yeah, we'll talk about that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Here's what happened. Meta had an event where they announced all of the latest from their AI Smart Glasses lineup. And the event itself was pretty brutal to watch. The products are actually kind of interesting. And what happened was I went out there to Menlo Park. I was just there yesterday as of the day of recording, and I got demos of all the products. I got to try them. I got to form my own opinions on them. I had a lot of interesting thoughts and I had some conversations as well with people who worked on them and I came away thinking, wow, they are really moving quickly on this stuff. We had that Orion demo less than a year ago and they were like, these are too expensive to ship, but this is what it could look like in the future. And now suddenly we're actually getting to buy for 799 Meta Ray Ban display, which has a single really high res 5000 nit display on the right side with the waveguides. And it will show things to you in the glasses that nobody else can see. And that's a real thing that's happening. I thought that was pretty fast. And then you watch the event and they, to their credit, tried to do a lot of live demos. That's really hard to do in general in the tech world, especially with new unreleased stuff. And with this stuff with all the wifi in the room and with the Internet not being very good and with a buggy product in general. Allegedly.

[David]

Allegedly.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. It was really, really tough to watch because it didn't work. And they kept hammering at home and trying over and over again. And it was clear that it was live to their credit. But it was very poorly demoed on stage. So I came away thinking the delta and how I feel about the product with just my hands on experience versus the event was colossal. So there's basically three new glasses products that we can go over. There's the Ray Ban display, but there's also an Oakley collab called the Vanguard and then just the second gen of the Ray Ban metas. Probably easiest to just start there. You guys have seen the Ray Ban metas, right? Yeah. Do you guys like them?

[David]

I think that they are more functional than people anticipated originally because the video quality is actually very good and people have used it for a lot of POV stuff. And I know a number of normies that actually use it for POV stuff.

[Andrew]

Sure.

[Marques Brownlee]

That is exactly what I was hoping you would say. Because the only thing people actually use these glasses for is the camera is POV videos.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

The other thing you can use them for is to listen to music or talk to the meta AI or have it look at your world and answer questions about your world. Or even be. If you have a visual impairment, it can be your eyes and describe what it's seeing. There's lots of other functionality, but the main thing that people use it for is pov. Cause it's camera on your face.

[David]

Unfortunately, only vertical video.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. So the second Generation of this gets longer battery life and gets a better camera. 3K videos up to 60fps. And it has a couple extra features like conversational focus mode, which as you're talking to someone, will use the beamforming mics to boost the volume of that dialogue into your ears, which is cool, which is nice.

[Ellis]

I think it was the coolest thing I think that they had at the whole freaking event.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Assuming you're in a loud scenario or

[Ellis]

even just for people who are hard of hearing, like, that is so clutch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Exactly.

[David]

I will say my brain has trouble when I'm in a loud environment and I'm trying to talk to somebody, like distinguishing all the noises. And I can get really overwhelmed pretty easily if there's like tons of different audio sources coming at me. So if it was easier to focus on one, I think that would help me.

[Andrew]

Did you get to test this? Yeah, because I was gonna say, like I'm interested in the input lag between it and then like hearing the voice and hearing it through. It's not. They're not bone conduction.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Andrew]

They're just a speaker kind of above the ear.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep, yep, yep.

[David]

So I think right into your ear canal.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. These are gonna be the same price. They're gonna look the same. They just have upgraded internals and we'll do that and have longer battery life. So that's all good.

[David]

These are available now.

[Marques Brownlee]

Those are right away. Yeah. Cool.

[David]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Then they have the Oakley Vanguard Collab, which is like even more sports focused version. They move the camera, which is still the new 3K camera, to the middle between your eyes. And it's this Oakley like wraparound sunglasses look with a bunch of different colors. Yeah, they look kind of sick sometimes, I guess. And they have much improved microphones. So in much louder wind noise, it can still hear you say, hey, meta start a video or. Or whatever. For a video recording you're doing, you can still hear what's happening in front of you. It'll also do slow mo. It'll also do hyperlapse.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, there's. It's stabilized.

[Marques Brownlee]

Also stabilization IP67. So those are gonna be 499. 9 hours of battery life. And available in October.

[David]

Yeah, they also plug into Garmin, if you're a big Garmin person. And they plug into Strava.

[Ellis]

That was my favorite feature about these because a couple I think two years ago we ran to Brooklyn half and we were planning to do a studio video on it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

And I remember every mile I was taking my phone out Recording myself with my friend. And then by like mile nine, that's not where my head was. I forgot everything I was supposed to be recording. I was just trying not to die. So, like, if these glasses would just like automatically record every mile and then do a hyperlapse, that's really freaking.

[Marques Brownlee]

One of the biggest features.

[Andrew]

It can take the run expecting you to do recorded at certain points in the run. And you can also overlay your Garvin, Garmin or Strava statistics on that video at those things. And it said it would even like pull it up and put them all together, I think, which is.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

It's basically doing everything for you for a whole run.

[David]

It's got much louder speakers, so there's six. They're six decibels louder than the other Oakley glasses. They launched like, like what, six months ago? They launched that other Oakley club probably last four months ago or so. Um, they have lights on the sides, which can kind of help you keep on your pace target. If you're trying your status peripherals, trying to stay at a certain speed. Uh, they have nine hours of battery life. They put the control buttons underneath the arms of the glasses because they were thinking about people who run with hats or with. Or if they're biking, you know, and you have a helmet, you won't want to be able to press it down.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's also another extra button. There's an action button that's customizable. So there's the capture button and then there's like a smaller button next to it that you can make it do slow mo or whatever action you wanted to.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. So I live in Brooklyn. I see people running constantly. I see people running with these Oakley wraparounds constantly. And I just know these are going to explode.

[Andrew]

I think these are going to be the best selling ones.

[David]

These are going to be insane. They're $500. So they're expensive, but they're cheaper than the Meta display, which we'll get to shortly. And the fact that it plugs into all of the most popular running and exercise culture apps I think is a really big deal.

[Andrew]

This feels like new GoPro to me right now. Like the thing that you buy because you think what you're doing is super interesting and you want to get a bunch of recordings of it. Hey, GoPro was wildly successful with this.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And like, show a bunch of people who are insane athletes. I mean, they literally use Red Bull athletes in there. Which feels about as synonymous as GoPro as you can get in terms of, like capturing Extreme sports. But I think a lot of people are gonna buy these because of stuff like that and then probably just have them as sunglasses later that plays music because they realize they don't wanna record everything.

[David]

Yeah. Uh, so the camera has 122 degree field of view. It can do 3K video for 3 minutes. It can do 1080p 60 for 3 minutes. It can do 1080p 30 for 5 minutes and then 720p, 120 FPS slow motion fire. Which is, uh, which is interesting. Yeah. I mean, on your note of the GoPro, this is a much. I would way rather just wear glasses while I was like snowboarding that I already needed to wear because it's super bright out versus like strapping something to my chest. You know, it's a lot easier. It automatically syncs so it can all. It can automatically upload the video to like your Strava when you finish your exercise. Yeah, I think there's going to be very, very popular. And there's a lot of features in here that I didn't expect that I think are actually very useful.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So to me this really confirms that one of the best uses for it is the camera that's on your face.

[David]

Ye.

[Andrew]

Because there's so much.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's so much built around it and how it works. Now.

[Andrew]

Did you catch. We already talked about how like two live demos went wrong, but I'm convinced the third one did that wrapped up this whole event, which was Mark saying, we have one more live demo comes out with Diplo to go for a run.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

To the afterparty. And he like puts the sunglasses on, they wave to everyone, they leave. And then he's getting in this group with a bunch of other runners. Also Hela was there.

[David]

Shout out.

[Andrew]

Hela, great guy. He was part of this.

[Marques Brownlee]

The.

[Andrew]

The video for this. Anyways, and then Mark just takes the glasses off and like flips them upside down and looks at them a couple times. And then they all just run with like a camera on a car following them. I'm convinced it was supposed to be like the walk in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Supposed to have the overlay maybe.

[Andrew]

Well, no, remember in the walk in we saw from his point of view when he came onto the stage, I think he was supposed to leave similar to that. And we were supposed to get a feed of the glasses. But the WI Fi again, that's really damn WI Fi screwing everything up.

[Ellis]

Yeah, we keep mentioning Wi Fi because a lot of the live demos failed for anyone who didn't.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And he blames on the WI fi it' it was like I was waiting

[David]

for him to just a WI fi problem.

[Andrew]

I was waiting for him to yell at everyone like Steve Jobs and say get off your computer so we can make this work.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So anyway, that brings us to the last of the products which is the $800 full on meta Ray Ban display. Not the most clever name, but what's happening here is there is now a single monocular display on the right hand side that's just off center of your field of view and is really bright and will show you things.

[David]

And before we get into that, I want a totally unrelated mention that Samsung just started showing ads on all of its refrigerators. Totally unrelated.

[Marques Brownlee]

Unrelated.

[David]

Totally unrelated. Anyway, we can talk about the display in front of your eyes at 2024 7.

[Marques Brownlee]

Now, hopefully there's no ads coming to this, but yeah. So if the main use of the Meta Ray Bans was, was having a camera on your face and being able to talk to AI, then this I think became interesting because it unlocks a bunch of other way bigger capabilities than just the regular ones. The number one probably is being able to frame your photos and videos because you have the viewfinder so you can really line up and actually frame your

[Andrew]

shot and see it after you take

[Marques Brownlee]

it and see it after you take it it. But then the other interesting thing is there's a control band that is paired with these glasses. It's the little EMG band that's on your wrist that we showed from the Meta Orion demo.

[David]

They're calling it the Meta Neural band.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. And it's all, it's productized now. It's nice and fabricy and has like a magnetic strap and like slaps onto the back of your wrist and that can read all of the neurons firing through your wrist and all the gestures that you're doing to control the UI in this display that you see. So you can do things like open up a map, navigate somewhere and see the navigation instructions with a live moving compass to know where you should turn next.

[Andrew]

Can I ask a very specific question that's based on how you describe that that our viewers can't see. You were describing it and you were looking up. All the demos made it feel like it was kind of bottom right corner to me where, like where is it in your vision?

[Marques Brownlee]

Down and to the right a little bit. And what was really interesting, remember Orion? You could like I could look at you and see that you're looking at something because it was like lights were on, not a hint of that. At all.

[David]

Really.

[Marques Brownlee]

Absolutely no light leak.

[Andrew]

I can see that. But this is also specific where Orion was. Full field of view. Like in front of you too. Totally.

[Marques Brownlee]

So yeah, different tech, double versus single lens. But that was still cool that I could be reading something and you would never know. Another thing you can do, live transcribe or live translate whoever's talking to you.

[David]

That seems very helpful.

[Marques Brownlee]

Super, super interesting and potentially useful. I could be talking to you in a, again, a loud room and it would use the beam forming mics to understand that I'm looking at the person in front of me and to put the text, the subtext from what that person is saying on the glasses. So it could be super loud. And I did a demo of this and it worked very, very well. And then I turned around and a different person talked to me in this loud room and it stopped, stopped listening to that person and started subtitling the person in front of me and didn't listen to my voice because it's obviously coming from me. So that's really cool. The translation part could also be awesome.

[Andrew]

I think that was cool. This seems like to me the better way of doing that versus the like delayed audio coming back at you because you just get subtitles. But this is something to have a full conversation both parties need to have.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

If it was two different languages.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah. Presumably you would be doing it in two different. Right. Like if I can't, if I don't understand Spanish, I'm probably not going to read it and then speak it back.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, right.

[Ellis]

No, the subtitles were also for English.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like you could just use them. You can just use them for your own language. It's just loud.

[Andrew]

Oh, okay. That's nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which is cool.

[David]

It would be really nice to travel through another country with this because it would just be a lot easier to understand people.

[Andrew]

Yeah, understand. But then you can't communicate.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you can't communicate back.

[David]

You still got to do the just hand gestures and stuff back.

[Ellis]

I just want this for my everyday life sentence.

[Marques Brownlee]

Put the glasses on. Take glasses back.

[Ellis]

I already watch all my movies with subtitles, so why not?

[Andrew]

Realize could I watch a movie and it could put the subtitles but slightly below the TV screen. So now the subtitles aren't in the tv.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow. Yeah.

[David]

So deconstructed titles, it's all the rage right now.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Okay. You can also view your messages, you can take video calls which they tried to do a demo of on stage.

[Marques Brownlee]

That did not work, but I got one to work.

[David]

How did that feel?

[Marques Brownlee]

So Again, it's a. It's a small bottom right hand, not corner but lower right hand area of your glasses view. But it's color, it's decently sharp, it's legible. And if I turn my camera on, the person on the other side of the call can see what I'm seeing. So I did do a video call. It worked. You can text, which is pretty good with your voice. But I also did a demo of the handwriting. Yeah, unbelievably good.

[David]

Yeah. So this demo actually did work live on stage really quickly and really accurately and effectively. What it looked like was you had the band on and you just write as if you have a pencil in your hand and it knows exactly what you're writing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Quickly and accurately. Shockingly so. I could be texting someone like this with my hand in my lap and you would never know. And every single letter I'm writing, I'm just literally writing the letter in plain English.

[Andrew]

How's your handwriting?

[Marques Brownlee]

Fine. I think I break the shit. Oh, you think your handwriting is bad? Yeah. That's a good test. We should do a handwriting test version, but yes.

[David]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

I picked it up super quickly. It's not using the camera feed at all. It's just using the neural input.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was shocked by how good that demo was, like, how good that tech has gotten in the years since we tried it on.

[David]

Your only message through WhatsApp app. Because I know you can only do the video calls through WhatsApp.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So, okay, here's the, here's the downside to this.

[David]

I don't know anyone that uses WhatsApp.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is a meta product and it is a new platform that does use your phone to connect to the Internet, but does sort of exist in a separate world where you're not really taking your phone out of your pocket. So the philosophy is it needs all of its own first party actions. If you're messaging someone, it is through WhatsApp. Because Meta owns WhatsApp. If you are scrolling through social media, it is Instagram because they could just built in Instagram feeds the music. They have a partnership with Spotify, so it was doing it through that the maps were mapping services that they built in. Right.

[David]

It's not Google Maps.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not Google Maps. This is data that they've borrowed that is probably not going to be super real time and probably not going to have great traffic data or anything like that. But. But they have a map service built in and so they have all this stuff built on platform and Ideally, that's the stuff you use. Oh, but I don't.

[David]

So trying to just get people into this like magical meta ecosystem.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it's kind of, it kind of feels like they're trying to force you into using meta services. But it also, I think by design has to have its own stuff. Like if you rely on the phone, but the phone manufacturers will never give you full like API access to users, you know, imessage or like data from all of the stuff going into the phone. You have to build stuff that doesn't depend on the phone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So they just have their own services.

[Andrew]

It's frustrating, it's fair. But as a consumer, you basically just told me, I can't text message or video call on it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Because that is what's happening.

[David]

And I don't feel like, I mean, we're in America.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

This will be popular in Europe, I guess.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. So if you want to text people or video chat people, it will be with WhatsApp. Yeah. So that's a bummer here. But a lot of people listening to this are like, Great, I use WhatsApp.

[Andrew]

That's great.

[Marques Brownlee]

So all this stuff because of the display is much more useful. I think the maps are super useful. I think the viewfinder is super useful. I think live translation and transcriptions of subtitling the world is super useful. And all of that is enabled by having a little display component to this, which is really cool.

[Andrew]

Can you give me a size approximate approximation between like regular meta ray bans, which are already a little thicker than Ray Bans and like Orions that we tried?

[Marques Brownlee]

Split the difference, I think.

[Andrew]

Split it.

[Marques Brownlee]

They are definitely thicker than regular meta ray ban.

[Andrew]

That still seems too thick for everyday use. Impressive that it fit in there. I'll still say that about Orion. Very impressive. Too thick for everyday glasses. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, I was wearing them for a couple hours while I was doing my demos and shooting all my footage and I, I, they're plastic and like I found myself like they were definitely weighted very well, but they're also, they're 69 grams and. Yep, that's what I said. And they, they're just a little too heavy for me to wear them and not think about them. I can wear the basic Ray Bans and not think about them. Yeah, these just have a little bit extra compute, a little bit more with the projector and the waveguide and all that and it's just a little too heavy.

[David]

They, they unfortunately also mentioned you can watch Instagram reels on them and yeah, that's how you know we're down a dark path.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you remember the Wall E clip? We've all seen the Wall E clip.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

You can literally sit back and do have the gesture with the EMG wristband and just

[Chris]

Marquez, open your mouth just a little farther.

[Andrew]

Yeah, there you go.

[Marques Brownlee]

And you can just. In your own world and no one can see that that's what you're doing. You look like a guy spaced out with his glasses on looking at the sky, but you are flipping through and actively watching Instagram reels.

[David]

And all the clips are AI generated with VO3.

[Marques Brownlee]

I wasn't sure. I haven't made this video yet, but I wasn't sure if that's how I want to intro or exit this video.

[Andrew]

Both.

[Marques Brownlee]

Are you like, genuinely, are you okay with. Because when I was on Meta Campus, lots of people wearing thick frame glasses everywhere and I just instinctively was like, you guys are all wearing cameras on your faces. Yeah. Are you cool with having a conversation with someone and seeing their eyes drift a little bit to the side and not knowing if they are watching something, reading something, or if they got an ad, if they got a call, like, what is. What are they looking at? Are you cool with that?

[David]

I already get anxious enough with my phone buzzing in my pocket when I'm out with friends. I don't need notifications coming in the side of. I mean, if I ever use these, I'm going to turn everything off.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Is this worse than checking your smartwatch in the middle of a conversation?

[Marques Brownlee]

That was the argument. Is that yes, it's better because I

[David]

don't think it's better.

[Andrew]

It's better because they don't know. It's not better.

[David]

It's better if the other person does know. I don't want to not know because

[Andrew]

I can be like, check something real quick.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess it's from both sides. Like from the other person's side. If you see me pull my phone in my pocket and ch. Check it or look at my smartwatch, that is worse than if I'm like having a conversation with you and it looks like I'm kind of looking at you, but I actually am reading something.

[David]

I'm reliving my trauma from my mother. I don't need that. I don't need more of that, Marquez.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's the same.

[Andrew]

It's just less of a chance they notice. So that's just like. I think that's just as bad. You might just get away with it.

[Marques Brownlee]

There was a lot of lines in the keynote and from Zuck and from Boz. And. And just about like being more present and not taking your phone out all the time. And there are maybe valid instances of that. Like, oh, you're on a hike and you see this really pretty view off the side of the mountain. Do you take your phone out of your bag and take a picture or do you just boop and move on?

[David]

Or like, for maps, I get that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, or for maps, I think they're cool.

[Andrew]

I think there's plenty of reasons that this is neat.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but.

[David]

But Instagram reels.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. So if the. Yeah, exactly.

[David]

And the fact that you can't even see it.

[Marques Brownlee]

The pitch is being more present, but you can easily be way less present.

[David]

Right, right.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's double sided.

[David]

Isn't that how everything is sold to us though?

[Chris]

And that's the financial incentive of Meta. Right. Like, like their, their whole business model is based on engagement. So the, the more time you can spend scrolling while being present.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris]

The more it works.

[Andrew]

Every tech company that tells you this is how we make you more present is just trying to sell you a thing so they can make you way less present in everything.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, it's also like Meta has tried to make a phone before. Like we can't skip over that. Smartphones are dominant and they tried to make phones. Yeah. And that's failed several times and now they're moving on and they've renamed themselves Meta and they're very concerned with the metaverse and they want this next technology to be post phone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And the only way to do that is to sell you on this being better than your phone and slowly weaning you off your phone. They'll never replace the phone. Maybe someday, maybe it'll, you know, move on.

[David]

But yeah, not. Well, everything that it can do is in their own little ecosystem.

[Ellis]

Like I was going to ask, did they say anything about opening it up to app developers?

[Marques Brownlee]

Opening what up?

[Ellis]

The glass.

[David]

Like, the glass being able to video.

[Ellis]

Like the first iPhone didn't have an app store.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Ellis]

So like it was all things Apple made and then when the app store hit, it was like a big explosion. Are there plans for that with this?

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, I had some conversations and I'm probably, maybe we can pull that in with Boz where he talked about like the first few generations of it have to be first party. And then once you've gotten people, people to embrace the platform, then you can start like adding other things. So hearing that sounds like, yes, they plan on having other apps and having APIs and things where developers can make cool stuff for the glasses, but they know they need to have their own first party stuff working and useful out the box. Like the first gen iPhone.

[David]

I guess that makes sense.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David]

I don't know. I guess Meta wanted to make the Metaverse and be the next generation of the Internet, but that totally failed. So now they're.

[Andrew]

No, no, no, no.

[David]

Now we can be this.

[Andrew]

They opened this event.

[Chris]

They opened it with that.

[Andrew]

Our goal is to glasses that deliver personal super intelligence and a feeling of presence using realistic holograms. And these ideas combined are what we call the.

[David]

I forgot Zuck just rebranded the Metaverse because they changed their company name to Meta and they need to make it work still.

[Andrew]

Sorry, I had to write that down. When I heard it, I was like, I need to write that down.

[David]

That's not what you said. The Metaverse was two years ago.

[Marques Brownlee]

Ten years later, they're like, we're making an E scooter and it's the Metaverse. This whole time we knew.

[David]

Yeah. Ads on your fridge. So, yeah, I am interested to try these out. These are gonna be $800, which is a lot of money.

[Marques Brownlee]

800. I mean, $800 is expensive. It's a whole phone.

[David]

Very expensive.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's an iPhone. IPhone. Air.

[David]

Well, there's a thousand. It's an iPhone.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's an iPhone. 17.

[David]

17.

[Marques Brownlee]

But yeah, it is augmented by your phone, so it uses your phone's Internet connection.

[David]

It's definitely a loss. Later device. Like, they're probably losing money on this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but they want to get it

[David]

in at least on the.

[Chris]

I mean, no, they're losing money on the hardware, but they're. They're getting it back. Dude, the. If you can scroll Instagram reels on that thing, dude. Like, think about how. And then also just like, think about how much data they could collect with. With.

[David]

I know.

[Chris]

And especially once they ship the. The EMG bracelet, dude.

[David]

Yeah, well, the EMG bracelet comes with it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it ships with it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Chris]

It's like when I read the press release, it said not for sale, but I guess that meant individually. Like, it does come with the. Yeah, bro. Like, think about. Think about when you're on Instagram. I don't know.

[David]

Yeah, I know there.

[Chris]

This is going to be like a cash cow for them, assuming people actually adopt.

[David]

This is why I removed all the social media from my phone before this happened. Okay. So they get up to 6 hours of mixed use battery life or 30 hours with the charging case, which is collapsible.

[Andrew]

That was cool.

[David]

Yeah, it's like a little origami foldable.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm sorry to say. The case is fire. It is incredible.

[David]

Incredible. So the case has battery in it that charges the glasses?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David]

And it gets it up to 30 hours.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it's pretty cool. Isn't that sick? Yeah. The case is 5x battery charge and also folds flat in 1 second flat.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's kind of awesome.

[David]

It's pretty sweet.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have footage of me folding it, like in my. On my first try, and I was like, this is the greatest case ever. Yeah, it's pretty sick.

[David]

It is interesting. I think Meta is the company that is going to be able to like advance this category faster just because they're more invested in it, because it's like their whole thing now. Google would make more sense from an app ecosystem perspective, also Apple, but it's gonna take them a lot longer. It's not their priority. Yeah, Meta has to make this their priority.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Meta has to make it their thing and be kind of first and flashy with it.

[Ellis]

I'm hyped for like the third version of this or the fourth where it's like regular glasses and like a ring.

[David]

Like a ring instead of a wristband.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think the wristband is the specific tech because it's also a little bit

[David]

fashion or they make a smartwatch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, it's a piece of tech that you're wearing.

[David]

They can make a smartwatch that has the. The thing built in, maybe.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I think the, you know, they've been developing it specifically around the wrist for so long that I think it has to be the wrist. But I, I talked to them again. I was like, okay, so this is a piece of tech that people have to wear on their face and on their body. It has to be considered in some way fashion. Like you have to make it look good and presentable, and they've done a good job of that. I think when you guys see the band looks pretty Meta.

[Andrew]

Brought back the 90s, we now have slap bracelets and transition lenses again.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

These are also transition lenses, by the way, which.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, unfortunately, it's one of those things

[David]

where you try to do two things. If you try to do two things in one device, it does both of them badly. Yeah, the translation, the transition lenses on these Meta glasses are not very good.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know. The transitions on my Meta ray bans right now are pretty good.

[David]

Are they?

[Marques Brownlee]

They never. They're never good sunglasses. Yeah, but they're really good. Clear. Right.

[Andrew]

I think that means they're Bad.

[David]

They're bad at transitioning sunglasses.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, I guess you.

[Andrew]

They're bad at the thing that protects your eyes. Yeah.

[Chris]

Wait, if they're good at being clear, that means they're good at doing nothing.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I guess a 2 in 1 is. Is usually bad at both.

[David]

You're saying they're good at being clear?

[Marques Brownlee]

They're actually good at being clear, but are bad at being sunglasses.

[David]

At least there's something there.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's.

[Andrew]

Yeah, there's something.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

I'm curious who ends up purchasing these, but yeah, it's kind of.

[Ellis]

Are you going to review all of them? What is the plan?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think I would like to use the Vanguards for recording pov, either Frisbee, but also autofocus for driving. You want to jump off a mountain and maybe. Yeah, Maybe action sports, GoPro stuff, the type that you'd like. You know, put a action camera on your chest or your forehead for that type of stuff. And then I think I'm gonna keep waiting as far as smart glasses, because I think based on how much I use their services, the Google one will be better for me. Me, if it's the. The Android XR experience where it's, like, plugged into your Android phone. This is the advantage of Google. It's like they have a smartphone operating system. They can make a plugin just work. Yeah, it's going to work better with the stuff that's on your phone, and I think that's going to work better for me.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So instead of trying to shoehorn my life into WhatsApp and, like, really test it, I think it would be. I think the. The Google one's gonna be better for me, but it's not out yet, so we'll see.

[David]

Daddy to. Google can have my data instead of Daddy Meta.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, they already have all my data.

[David]

Yeah, that's a lot of smarts, but.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data.

[David]

Exactly. Well, speaking of smarts trivia.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was good.

[David]

Thank you. Very much better than my previous one.

[Ellis]

Side note, before Ellis tells this very great question, my favorite part of the bonus episode was when we came back with a guest and Ellis just stared at the camera for, like, five full seconds.

[Andrew]

For audio listeners, that's probably going to be confusing.

[Ellis]

It's definitely confusing, but editing it, I was cracking up, so definitely go watch that.

[Chris]

Anyway, we give that a proper announcement. There's. If you're. I mean, if you're on YouTube.

[David]

Yeah, we did.

[Chris]

Where was I? Oh, Whatever, who cares? Where were you guys? I have a new trivia question which it's always really, really, really hard to write trivia questions about Meta because every single piece of, like historical, you know, list about meta is just hundreds of pages of lawsuits. But when you weed through the lawsuits, you can find some really interesting stuff. For example, the stuff that forms this question, which of the following two Meta products was shut down first? These are former Meta products. Product one is called Lasso. I've never heard of this. It was a TikTok competitor, a vertical video sort of thing aimed at teenagers.

[David]

Shocker.

[Andrew]

The second best Lasso. It's horrible. And it's called Lasso.

[Chris]

Yeah, to rope them in.

[Marques Brownlee]

Rope them in. Not transparent at all. They're entirely.

[Chris]

No, these are both real.

[David]

Our next product is called Brain Damage.

[Chris]

The next one is called Libra. It was renamed Diem at a certain point. This is a Facebook cryptocurrency that the US government and the EU and the Swedish government or the Swiss government all said no. So which one of these was shut down in an earlier year? I am not asking for which one lasted longer. I am asking the shutdown year of each of these.

[Andrew]

Which one was cool if Waveform just had one collective no to any technology company every once a year?

[David]

What do you mean?

[Andrew]

You're just saying, like they all.

[Chris]

Oh, we got to say.

[Andrew]

We just got to say no. Like, like the power of these people should be like, no, you can't do that. Yeah, Waveform should get one collective.

[Chris]

That should be a part of the Waveform Awards.

[Ellis]

That's good.

[Andrew]

Like our no. Of the year.

[Chris]

Our no. Of the year.

[David]

23andMe.

[Chris]

Anyway, we'll be right back.

[Marques Brownlee]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[Ellis]

There's left versus right and dividing lines

[Marques Brownlee]

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[Andrew]

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[Chris]

The real issue is people with power and wealth using it to be above the law and escape even investigation or prosecution.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it's only gotten more noticeable in recent months as issues like the Epstein files and artificial intelligence have seemed to

[Ellis]

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[Marques Brownlee]

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[Chris]

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[Andrew]

All right, welcome back. We have heard rumors of a Rivian E bike for a little while and in fact RJ kind of confirmed but not confirmed it on a Daniel Tosh podcast episode, which is a good listen if you haven't listened to it. It's pretty funny but weird mix of words. It was a weird mix of words

[David]

but it is the 90s.

[Andrew]

Micah toll from Electrek just went through one of the teaser videos I think on Instagram because I can't find this teaser video but apparently the new company named Also that just claimed they were making a new electric vehicle of some sort. They, they posted this teaser where a bunch of people are riding around on the new E bike but has this big blur on it so you can't see what it looks like at all. Well, Michael went on and went frame by frame and there's multiple frames where they just missed blurring the bike completely. So now we have the bike. Here it is.

[David]

Huh.

[Andrew]

It's silly looking. Looks like it looks like those compact bikes that like fold up where like the wheels are very small and you kind of ride a bit higher off of them.

[Marques Brownlee]

This better have amazing specs because I've seen so many E bikes that are exact question they're designed to look like they're not E bikes. So they have a pretty compact battery, like in the post, that are pretty hidden. So it just looks like a normal bike. This does not look like a normal bike.

[David]

Why is there a man in a penguin suit?

[Andrew]

This guy, I think the whole video, I think, was very, like, whimsical about things, but it is very funny that we're just looking at a leak of a man in a penguin suit holding

[David]

a bike on a tennis court.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

This has got a huge bike box.

[Andrew]

It's got a huge box by the pedals. It also has kind of like these cargo rails and a basket on the back. Nothing about this screams I fold up. Except for the fact that it kind of looks like those types of bikes.

[David]

Doesn't really feel like a Rivian product to me.

[Andrew]

Well, technically it's not, although RJ is leading also, and they have investment from Rivian, so it's pretty much a Rivian product. But it's not technically.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is a bad tech company name on the same level that OnePlus is a bad tech company name. Every time you try to use it in a sentence, it's confusing.

[Andrew]

But it's going to slap as a podcast title one week.

[Marques Brownlee]

But one plus sounds like you're about to say something and then you don't say the rest. And so does also. Yeah, like when you say, oh, there's this company also that has a bike. What?

[David]

What company also also files for bankruptcy also?

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, but this does this not kind of. Yeah, bigger version of boosted scooter fiasco of like, yeah, we've got something really good going for us. Let's make something

[Marques Brownlee]

scooter. It was very. It was hardcore.

[David]

It was just like, what took them down?

[Andrew]

Way too intense, way too expensive. And in a category that had plenty of others. Like, there are so many E bikes

[David]

right now, and it broke the finger of a Verge reporter.

[Andrew]

That's. As long as this bike doesn't break any fingers of news reporters, maybe it'll be fine.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I don't know. It scares me a little bit because there's always grumblings here and there of Rivian, like, do they have enough to make it through? Are they gonna stay alive? Blah, blah, blah. And I really want my R2. So if a freaking E bike ruins my chance at the R2, I'm gonna be there.

[David]

Three reals, man. I just want that Crosstrek. It looks so.

[Andrew]

It feels like they got a good thing going for them. And this feels like a very crowded space. Space.

[David]

Yeah. There's a lot of ebike companies.

[Andrew]

There are a lot of ebikes, bikes and ebike companies. There's probably a lot of cities trying to find ways to tone down E bikes because they're kind of the scourge of some cities the way people drive them through, like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I mean, scooters used to be that too.

[David]

Yeah. And new we have City bike, which is. It's in the lift app, but city the bank. It's capitalism. But now they're replacing all of them with motorized ones. All of them. They're trying to replace all of them. All of them, yeah. Which honestly I think they should because the regular ones are heavy. That it feels like it takes more energy to pump the wheels than it does to. It's like I could walk. I would assume the same.

[Andrew]

A large company would regulate them properly. Cuz isn't there like a speed limit on what they're supposed to be able to do?

[David]

Like 20 miles an hour?

[Chris]

They work great.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What?

[Chris]

They work great.

[David]

They're great.

[Chris]

City Bike is a beloved program.

[David]

Yeah. No, people love it.

[Andrew]

I'm saying City Bike, if they, when they do ebikes would probably follow the regulations where there's lots of other people in the city who are buying ebikes that are going way faster than they should.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Chris]

And then also the city bike ebikes are not. Not the throttle E bikes, they're the assist.

[Andrew]

They're pedal assist.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

There are also a number of E bike companies that are basically just motorcycles and they get around. They say that they're E bikes because they have pedals, but they are still able to go like 50 miles an hour. They say you need a motorcycle license to do it, but they will like let you unlock it anyway, so.

[Marques Brownlee]

Geez.

[David]

Yeah. There's a lot of weird loopholes.

[Marques Brownlee]

I always remember like those scooters coming out and they always had like a 24 mile an hour top speed because technically if you hit 20, 25, those change categories or something.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

24 on a scooter is fast enough to. To kill yourself, but the boosted could go.

[Marques Brownlee]

It hit 24 and you're like, oh, this is limited to 24.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

All of these things would work if we built roads for them, you know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And we're. Oh, obviously.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Don't ever get on anything without a helmet, please.

[Marques Brownlee]

Bike lanes are.

[Chris]

I mean, they, they do. But if, you know, think about how much. Also also, you know, think about how mad car drivers get about bike lanes all the time, you know.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, it's not mad and it's an easy parking spot. I am joking. Please, I am joking.

[Marques Brownlee]

Welcome to New York.

[David]

Welcome to Sarcasm.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's very. Welcome to New York.

[David]

Yeah. Okay. Anyway, last little story before we do trivia. This is just a really quick hit. Nothing have released the Ear 3, which is their ear earbuds. And the case has a quote unquote super mic on it, which has a giant mic button that you're supposed to talk into. And I think that their mindset with this was sort of how all the tiktokers have the wired ear pods that they sort of talk into now. And they also have like the mics that the clip mics that they talk into and it's supposed to look like low quality and fun. And I will admit that, you know, usually the earbud mics are pretty horrible because they're not close enough to your mouth. Mouth and they're pointing the wrong direction and all of these things. And this is supposed to be better. Some preliminary testing from Don Preston of the Verge said it was not that much better, which is interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

Unfortunate.

[David]

There are also some big problems with this, like the fact that it can only do it for calls, voice notes and memos in the essential space. But currently you cannot record audio from the cameras of your phone phone through it because Apparently Android and iOS do not give access to that.

[Marques Brownlee]

See.

[David]

Yeah, it uses the primary mic only and that primary mic can change if you have something plugged into like the USB C port. But because it's a wireless device, apparently it cannot take over the primary mic slot for some reason. And nothing is urging these, the platform developers to change this. But it seems kind of weird to release a product that's centered around this before you can even do that. Do that. So just like the meta products, it seems like if you use voice notes and memos in the essential space on the nothing device.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Then it's useful. Yeah.

[Andrew]

So specific.

[David]

Very specific.

[Andrew]

I still want them. Yeah. My toxic trait is how much I love the nothing earbuds, despite how many I've had that have broken and just done terribly.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I still love these.

[David]

I have started to see more of these in the the city. I've seen quite a few of them in the city actually.

[Chris]

I never see any nothing phones in the city, but I see a lot of the buds.

[David]

Correct.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting.

[David]

Yeah. I think the buds are in that little affordable spectrum.

[Chris]

It reminds me of a Dictaphone and for that reason I liked it.

[David]

What is that?

[Chris]

You know what a Dictaphone is back in the day when, like, the world was way, way, way worse and only women knew how to type. The way a lot of business stuff was done would be that men would have these pocket tape recorders, and they would record a bunch of thoughts and memos and stuff. And then you'd put it in a pneumatic tube, and it would get shot through the building to a room full of women typing. It would get that cassette and then type up your. What you recorded.

[David]

Holy crap.

[Chris]

And then that would get sent out as the memo, but just as like a pocket, like a handheld voice recorder.

[David]

Right.

[Chris]

And I think there's something sort of. Yes, I like that. You idea of, like, putting something up to your mouth, recording something real quick. Yeah, but I guess it doesn't.

[David]

I mean, watch those then.

[Chris]

That's true.

[David]

Yeah. We'll have to test this ourselves. I'm sure we'll get some units in. We'll have more thoughts later. But something we. Another thing that we have thoughts about is

[Andrew]

trivia. Just play that

[Marques Brownlee]

almost.

[David]

I was hoping it would kind of, you know.

[Ellis]

All right, quick update on the score. Mark Kez with four, Andrew in the lead with seven, and David way behind. All the way in the back, bringing up the rear with two.

[David]

Yeah, I'm crying in the club right now. This is crazy.

[Ellis]

All right, so for one point per founder, can you name all of the Facebook founders besides Mark Zuckerberg? Go.

[Marques Brownlee]

No,

[Andrew]

I'm just one other person that I know is.

[Ellis]

Well, that's how this question originally started. Can you name the other founder who's, like, famous from the movie and yada, yada, And Ellis was like, let's up the angle.

[Andrew]

I can't do that at all.

[Ellis]

Make it plus one.

[Andrew]

I'm saying I'm naming one other person that I know works at Meadow right now.

[Chris]

Oh, is it Boz?

[David]

I was.

[Andrew]

Is that right?

[Chris]

No.

[Andrew]

Then I'm wrong.

[David]

Before we start this.

[Ellis]

Oh, no. Just flip him and read.

[Andrew]

What do we got? Oh, my God.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, I don't know.

[Andrew]

I'm wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

This name came to my head, but I might be totally wrong.

[Chris]

What did you put? I can't see.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cheryl Sandberg.

[David]

She was not a founder, but she was their first, like, director of, like, communications. I said Spider man because in the movie it was.

[Ellis]

No, yeah, we get it.

[David]

What's the. His name?

[Ellis]

Andrew Garfield.

[David]

Spider Man.

[Ellis]

The actor who also played Spider Man.

[David]

Yes. So what was his name in real life?

[Ellis]

In real life, it was Eduardo Saverin. That was one. He's the one from the movie Social Network.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis]

There was also Andrew McCullum, Dustin Moskovitz, and Chris Hughes.

[David]

Dustin also created, like, a sauna or something.

[Ellis]

Oh.

[Andrew]

Oh, really?

[Marques Brownlee]

He's very.

[David]

He's very.

[Marques Brownlee]

This guy's the master of cursed sauna software.

[David]

Yeah. And he's also very. He's like, very anti Facebook on socials.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.

[David]

Interesting.

[Ellis]

Well, none of you got any points.

[Marques Brownlee]

I never even know.

[Ellis]

There were many chances for a point.

[Marques Brownlee]

But YouTube founders.

[Chris]

Guys, which of the following Meta products that no longer exists didn't exist first hit?

[David]

It was unexisted.

[Chris]

Yeah, Was unexisted. First Lasso, the TikTok competitor that. Sorry, just got a leg cramp. Just sort of got folded into Instagram reels, but is no longer a standalone

[David]

platform to reel in the kids.

[Chris]

Yeah. Oh, whoa. Conspiracy lasso. Reel it in. Instagram reels. Is this. The other one's the cryptocurrency? Who cares? It's called. It was called Libra and then they changed it to Diem.

[David]

Yeah, they care because they got to answer for something. Did you write yeah or did you Wrong.

[Chris]

It's which one was shut down at an earlier date? Yes, an earlier date.

[Andrew]

This felt like a trick question.

[Chris]

All right, Marquez, you put.

[Marques Brownlee]

I put Libra.

[Chris]

That is incorrect.

[Andrew]

Unfortunately.

[Chris]

Libra was shut down in 2022.

[Andrew]

I know the obvious one seemed like, Lasso.

[David]

That's cuz.

[Andrew]

So I played myself.

[Marques Brownlee]

When was that?

[Andrew]

But I put Libra.

[Chris]

Lasso was shut down in 20. 2020.

[David]

Yeah, lasso. Barely Lasso. Tid lasted.

[Andrew]

I thought you were gonna say it's like cruising around somehow or like, just.

[David]

Yeah, Libra was weirdly, like, big news when it came out because there was all this regulatory stuff about countries being like, nah, nah, nah.

[Chris]

And like, so many huge American companies funded it.

[David]

Right.

[Chris]

With Meta. Visa wasn't. Yeah.

[David]

And then, like, it was big news for a while, then it disappeared for a really long time. And then randomly in 2022. Yeah, 2022. I just saw some random story that was like, meta officially shuts down its Libro crypto. And I was like, that's still around.

[Chris]

Technically, they didn't shut it down. They sold it to another comp. Like a. I don't know if it's private equity, but they told it they sold it to some sort of ownership group with the expressed idea that that ownership group would shut it down and then write it off for losses on the 2023 tax year.

[David]

Hooray.

[Chris]

So exciting.

[David]

We love it.

[Chris]

Well, Dr. David.

[David]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You just got a point. One point, bringing you to three points.

[David]

Heck yes.

[Ellis]

Nice.

[Chris]

Marques, in second place. You're currently rocking a solid four points.

[Andrew]

Andrew, add those two together.

[Chris]

Big Dog ginormous scores right now. Seven points.

[Andrew]

That's pretty good.

[Chris]

Andrew has 50% of all points awarded in this season of Waveform Trivia.

[David]

That's true.

[Chris]

It's incredible. Yeah, you love to see it.

[Marques Brownlee]

If I hadn't ruined oled, we would have gained on Andrew.

[David]

That's true.

[Andrew]

Well, you did.

[Marques Brownlee]

I did.

[Andrew]

That's what you get.

[David]

Look what you did to me.

[Chris]

Marcus, the question was actually just what does the O stand for?

[David]

Organic. That's it.

[Chris]

That. That was the question.

[Andrew]

Still. What? I got it wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

I ruined us.

[David]

The O stands for oled.

[Andrew]

It's a background.

[Chris]

It goes all the way.

[David]

It's like.

[Chris]

Do you remember the jo. I. I think I told other pod what is the B and Benoit B. Mendel brought stand for

[David]

what?

[Chris]

It stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot, the mathematician responsible for the Mandelbrot set.

[Ellis]

Oh, you did.

[Chris]

The fractal pattern that repeats itself the more you go down.

[David]

Oh, that's funny.

[Chris]

This is a funny joke I've told on the podcast.

[David]

That's funny. I remember when we talked about fractals. That was like three years ago.

[Chris]

I know.

[David]

Wow.

[Chris]

I know.

[David]

Do you remember?

[Marques Brownlee]

Do you not remember that?

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, Marquez, I remember hitting the joke.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I'm sure it happened, though. Just like this episode for sure happened. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing. And of course, it's tech timber, so you already know. There's the. The bonus episode you just watched before this, and then another episode that's coming out after this. It's a good time. Stay tuned. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace.

[Andrew]

Peace. Waitform Spruce by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our trout music was created by Vain Sill. Do it.

[David]

Underwhelming.

[Andrew]

Bingo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sam.