MKBHD's Top 5 Apps of All Time!

Summary

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Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: "Our Favorite Apps of All Time!"
Date: April 3, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Pierce, Adam Oram, Ellis Rowan

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Episode Overview

In this lively and wide-ranging episode, the Waveform team uncovers their personal "Mount Rushmore" of mobile apps, debating the best and most useful apps ever made—from utilities that supercharge productivity to quirky games and tools of nostalgia. Along the way, the hosts recap tech headlines, discuss the demise of the Mac Pro, the frustrating state of account security, the latest in smart glasses, and the ironic twists of AI leaks. Expect heated opinions, playful ribbing, and a dose of tech trivia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. April Fools' Energy & Recent Viral Projects

• The episode opens with April Fools' banter and behind-the-scenes notes on recent viral content, including the team's shorts comparing iPhone cameras across generations.
• On viral content & stolen posts:

  "Someone goes, I'm just going to clip out the two final things and post it with no credit on Twitter and get 5 million views. It's infuriating." – Andrew (06:28)

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2. Tech News & Product Eulogies

• Apple Mac Pro Officially Discontinued:
  The Mac Pro is finally dead; reflections on its limited niche and how the Mac Studio is now the pro default.

  • On the Mac Pro's fate:

    "So the market for people who can't get it done with Thunderbolt but can with a Mac Pro was about three people. I'm not even one of those people." – Marques (14:36)

  • On Apple's trade-in offer:

    "For funsies, I put Marques's maxed out M2 Ultra Mac Pro in the trade in program…It is $2,665. That's not. It's that bad." – Andrew (19:03)

• Anthropic Claude Source Code Leak:
  The irony of AI companies warning others not to use their leaked, allegedly borrowed code.

  • On the leak:

    "You stole our stuff and we stole all the other stuff." – David (22:51)

• Gmail Username Change:
  Google now allows users to change their email/username every 12 months.

  • On reclaiming digital identity:

    "My two questions are, one, aren't most of the reasons we have bad email addresses because the one we wanted was taken already? So, like, by the time I try and change it…that's probably been taken." – Andrew (26:27)

• Smart Glasses Wars:
  Rumors that "Nothing" (the brand) is entering the smart glasses race, with a focus on recording and AI, paralleling Meta/Ray-Ban.

  • On recording as a killer feature:

    "The number one use case of the meta ray bans for most people is first person hands free video…It's a thousand percent what most people buy those glasses for." – Marques (30:15)

  • On design in smart glasses:

    "Most people with glasses on your face…want them to sort of fade away…But now…if glasses blow up and everyone has glasses, then the design actually becomes a part of…why you might pick one over the other." – Marques (34:59)

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3. File Structures & Tech Nostalgia

• Playful discussion about file systems, old-school tech literacy, and generational knowledge gaps.
  • On digital literacy:

    "It's genuinely crazy how many young people don't know, like, the file structure of computers." – Adam (09:17)

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4. Pixel 11 Leaks

• Discussion of early renders, iterative changes, and frustration over base storage limits.
  • On stagnation:

    "If Tensor G6 is again underwhelming…same price…same features and same 128gigs of storage. I think that takes the front for bust of the year so far." – Marques (37:52)

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5. Waveform’s Mount Rushmore: Top Five Apps of All Time

Segment Begins [41:50]

Rules & Tone

• Each host brings their 5 favorite (mobile) apps—no desktop software, with some leeway for nostalgia/old iPod Touch-era apps.
• Heated debates arise over what qualifies and why.

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Marques Brownlee (MKBHD)

"Top five mobile phone apps…in no particular order." – Marques (46:44)

• Honorable Mentions: Copilot Finance, Athletic (Apple Watch fitness), Blip (file transfer), Geekbench, YouTube
• Top 5:
  1. Carrot Weather – "The best weather app, period. Layout inspired by Dark Sky, super accurate, great radar." [50:06]
  2. TickTick – "Just the best task and planning app. Always come back to it." [49:42]
  3. Flighty – "Unbelievably useful for flying. The one app that tells you about delays before anyone else." [48:47, 49:22]
  4. Waze – "Not the prettiest, but the best for crowdsourced traffic info." [47:29]
  5. Relay for Reddit – "The best Android Reddit app by a mile." [47:00]

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David Pierce

"This might be a top five, like in order…" – David (56:06)

• Honorable Mentions: Google Opinion Rewards, Telegram
• Top 5:
  1. Pocket Casts – "Probably the greatest app ever made. Insanely good UI, cross-platform, grandfathered pro." [57:05, 58:11]
  2. Viewfinder Preview – "I use it every week to frame my film photos for cameras without a viewfinder." [57:34]
  3. Nova Launcher – "One of the most downloaded apps ever, especially for customizing Android skins." [57:05]
  4. Relay for Reddit – "Used it for so, so long." [56:17]
  5. Libby – "If you like libraries, it gives access to ebooks/audiobooks for free. Can't believe it's free." [56:10]

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Andrew Manganelli

“If it is not in this list, it’s a dog water app.” – Andrew (59:24)

• No honorable mentions (only the best):
• Top 5:
  1. UDisc – "The best disc golf app. Free version gives you 90% of what you need. Great community data." [64:50]
  2. Google Tasks – "May have legitimately changed my life. The simplicity works so well." [63:55]
  3. Blip – "Changed everything for our team file transfers. Cross-platform, fast, no file size limit." [62:52, 63:42]
  4. Old School Runescape – "Remote grind. Lets Runescape people go outside." [61:16]
  5. Taco Bell – "Most customizable fast food app. Lets me add what I want without saying it in the drive-thru." [59:35]

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Adam Oram

• Honorable Mentions: Flighty, Gentler Streak (iOS exclusive fitness app)
• Top 5:
  1. Obsidian – "Super complex, local-first note-taking app across platforms. My life is in Obsidian." [70:41]
  2. StoryGraph – "Goodreads, but better. Great recommendations, independent maker." [69:08]
  3. Stellarium – "Star/planet sky map app that's gone viral. Gorgeous, pro features are worth it." [68:02]
  4. Duolingo – "Gamified language learning; changed everything for app engagement." [67:24]
  5. KWGT – "Ultimate Android custom widget maker. Deep community support." [66:48]

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Ellis Rowan

• Honorable Mentions: The beer app (OG iOS gag app), Urban Spoon (slot machine for restaurants), Fog of World (privacy nightmare, but fun)
• Top 5:
  1. Brooklyn Public Library App (BKLYN) – "It just works. Best library experience; instant renewals, zero hassle." [77:48]
  2. Moment Pro Camera (v2) – "Lets you save photo/camera profiles, unlocks iPhone cameras for creative use." [76:06]
  3. Seesaw – "App for gallery hopping in NYC. Simple, elegant, one-trick-pony done right." [75:26]
  4. Fog of World – "In practice, a privacy nightmare; aspirationally, a goated idea to map your life journey." [74:00]
  5. Discogs – "Goodreads for music and vinyl collectors; love the logging/trade/sell features." [72:44]

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6. Whoop Wearable Rant

• Andrew delivers a scathing hot take on Whoop fitness trackers, calling them overhyped, overpriced, and mostly a marketing company catering to prestige and FOMO. The panel compares their favorite alternatives (Athletic, Garmin, Oura Ring, etc.).
  • On Whoop's status:

    "At this point Whoop is an if-you-know-you-know product…I think it is sort of a thought of as like the, if you're at a certain status level…Whoop is the only option." – Ellis (91:24)

  • On fitness trackers generally:

    "All of these things are toys. None of these are really that important. Listen to our episode with Dr. Mike about activity trackers…If it helps you be healthy, that's great. But there's so many better options than these stupid Whoop bands." – Andrew (89:06)

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7. Trivia & Memorable Moments

• iPhone Lost at a Bar – Infamous Leak:

  "Which iPhone was left at a bar and subsequently leaked by Gizmodo?" – Ellis [40:45, Answer at 99:56]

  Correct Answer: iPhone 4

  "I had a moment where I was like, is it the 4s? Nah. But no, it was the 4." – Marques (99:56)

• Greek Mythology Space Program:

  "Artemis has a twin brother named what?" – Adam (80:58)
  Correct Answer: Apollo (102:07)
  "Damn. It was right there. I should have had that. It's really right." – David (102:11)

• Quotable banter:

  "Why wouldn't you do that?" – Marques, on missing features in YouTube Studio (52:17)
  "If it is not in this list, it's a dog water app." – Andrew (59:24)
  "I want glyphs on mine." – Adam, on smart glasses design (33:37)

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8. Other Highlights

• File transfers: All hosts rave about Blip as a game-changing, cross-platform option for airdrop-like transfers (far superior to legacy solutions).
• Libby & libraries: Multiple hosts sing the praises of public library apps and the wonders of Libby for free ebooks/audiobooks.
• Host nostalgia: From Minecraft mods and Runescape to the "beer app" and Urban Spoon, the team fondly recalls formative app experiences.
• Social media woes: The team laments the state of content theft and incentives for engagement over credit or originality.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On viral content theft:
  “Someone goes, I’m just going to clip out the two final things and post it with no credit on Twitter and get 5 million views. It’s infuriating.” – Andrew (06:28)
• On file system literacy:
  “It’s genuinely crazy how many young people don’t know, like, the file structure of computers.” – Adam (09:17)
• On the fate of Mac Pro:
  “The market for people who can’t get it done with Thunderbolt but can with a Mac Pro was about three people. I’m not even one of those people.” – Marques (14:36)
• On Flighty’s killer feature:
  “You’re gonna be on a flight that gets delayed and you know from Flighty, 45 minutes before everyone sitting at the gate knows and you get to rebook your flight before everyone else...” – Marques (49:22)
• On library apps:
  “Why are all apps not as good as the thing that costs zero money? The library?” – Ellis (78:14)
• On Whoop trackers:
  “Whoop…just feels like the Planet Fitness thing where it’s like you pay up front for a year and you lock into a year contract. And then they hope you just forget...” – Andrew (86:38)

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Segment Timestamps

• [03:31] – Main episode starts, intro, April Fools’ energy
• [05:50] – iPhone camera short, viral content
• [12:35] – File systems, digital literacy discussion
• [13:36] – Mac Pro eulogy, trade-in values
• [22:52] – Anthropic Claude code leak irony
• [24:43] – Gmail username changes
• [28:35] – Smart glasses market, design & privacy
• [36:49] – Pixel 11 leaks & disappointment
• [41:50] – Top Five Apps segment starts
  • [46:44] Marques’ list
  • [56:06] David’s list
  • [59:24] Andrew’s list
  • [66:06] Adam’s list
  • [71:06] Ellis’s list
• [85:06] – Whoop rant / wearable tech culture
• [99:56] – Trivia Answer: iPhone 4 leak at the bar
• [102:07] – Trivia Answer: Apollo as Artemis’ twin brother

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a treasure trove for tech nostalgia and app recommendations, with a lively, playful tone. The hosts’ chemistry, authentic opinions, and behind-the-scenes candor make even deep cuts (like file system banter or the bitter truth about paid fitness trackers) engaging and accessible. Listeners come away with not only an expanded app wishlist but also insight into the quirks, frustrations, and small joys of being a tech obsessive in 2026.

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Who had the best app list? Tell the hosts what you think—and don’t forget to grab that library card.

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Transcript

[Marques Brownlee]

Catch you guys next week in April. Peace.

[David Pierce]

Did you guys hear that? The Super Mario Galaxy movie is bad.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

Really?

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Because it's preying on your nostalgia. It's not good.

[David Pierce]

The first one was good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Are you excited for Backyard Baseball? Of course.

[David Pierce]

BYB Is it out yet?

[Adam Oram]

We were recording April Fool.

[Marques Brownlee]

My stomach actually got.

[David Pierce]

It dropped because I was like, I have a flight. Don't do this to me.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm Andrew.

[David Pierce]

And I'm David.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it's April. Finally. We finally got to April.

[Andrew Manganelli]

We'll never have to hear Tarch again.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's maybe not true.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I hope it is.

[Marques Brownlee]

We'll see in about 12 months. But as of the day of recording, it's actually April Fool's Day. So happy, happy April Fool's Day to those. To celebrate, we actually dropped videos today that I thought were really fun. You can go back and watch them. And they still have actually some value outside of April Fool's Day, I'll put it that way. But in today's episode, we have a eulogy for a deceased product. We have Google allowing you to change your username on Gmail, which is interesting. Some smart glasses from another new company. A Pixel 9. I mean 10. I mean 11. Leak.

[David Pierce]

That's a weird way to say Pixel 8.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean 7. Really brand new stuff. And we're also going to name our top five apps of all time. I have my Mount Rushmore and then some honorable mentions. I gotta pick one for my honorable mentions to graduate to a top five. I will do that mentally at some point during this podcast.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah. Right now I only have four. I'm just gonna let the fifth one come to me.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a good idea.

[Adam Oram]

I like that.

[Marques Brownlee]

What if we overlap?

[David Pierce]

I feel like we're gonna overlap.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's fine. We don't have to agree on our top five. But we all have to. We're bringing it to the table.

[David Pierce]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably for the comments to debate how wrong we are or who has the hottest takes. Always the coldest takes. Anyway. Does anybody have a. Did they even test this for this?

[Adam Oram]

Oh, boy, do I. I do. So recently I have been trying to get into my PayPal account because I haven't used it in so long that the last time I used it, I had a different phone number. So I go to login.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's over.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a wrap.

[Adam Oram]

And they're like, hey, we just sent you a code, a six digit code. And I'm like, to what? Like, I don't have that number anymore. So fast forward three days and multiple customer service reps later. They were finally able to get me to reset my password with my email after. But it makes no sense because the whole time I call, they have you, like, first with the little AI robot thing, verify who you are not only with the phone number, but with your. Your last four, the social. So I should be able to just change my phone number right from there with the AI, like, just let me do it. They know it's me, but they refuse to do it to the point that they had to do like a crazy reset on their side so that I couldn't log in for 24 hours or attempt to log in or they would think it was a security thing. And then after 24 hours, I had to call back, get someone else on the phone, and then they could be like, oh, yeah, now we can do like a hard reset on your password. I say all this to say phone number two factor is stupid. There are apps for this. We've solved this problem. Stop being lazy. PayPal is one of the biggest companies and they're still using phone number two factor. And it was just so frustrating. So annoying.

[David Pierce]

Adam famously made a video on Android

[Adam Oram]

Authority, don't trigger me.

[David Pierce]

David, a long time ago called the we should get rid of phone numbers. And people are very angry.

[Adam Oram]

People made great points.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Maybe you should.

[Adam Oram]

We should.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You should not have gotten rid of your phone number and none of this would have ever happened.

[Adam Oram]

That's fair.

[David Pierce]

Well, if you just use pass keys, this would not be a problem.

[Marques Brownlee]

Use authenticator app. Psa. Psa. Then you'll never have to test that process in your life. Alrighty. Okay, so this week we made a two different shorts so far. And I say so far because it might keep going, but the idea was kind of fun. It was to take the same photo on every single iPhone generation that's ever been made. 1 through 17.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Just shout out, Jono, real quick. This was his. He was basically like, we've done these every Apple phone, every Google phone. The short version of the shorts version of this is take a photo with everyone and just. Let's see how it goes. That's really cool. Like in ascending order.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, because they talk. You know, these companies talk about the smartphone's camera so much that you'd assume there'd be like a huge difference year to year of a lot of these things. You take all these and by the way it's like kind of a hilarious process of taking 17 straight photos with all these different phones. We have to fire them all up, get them all set up, make sure they're all in their default settings, sit still for 15 minutes while we get every single one perfectly lined up, take all 17 photos. But then like throwing them all on the timeline and seeing them back to back is in broad daylight. You might have watched that first short. Not a lot of difference, especially year to year with a lot of these iPhones didn't shock me because in broad daylight that's like the perfect best case scenario. I think it starts to break down around like the iPhone 4S. But when you watch the low light one that is much more. That exposed a lot more of the differences between these sensor sizes. You know, you have the years that they switch from 4 megapixels to 8 megapixels to 12 and that was 12 for a while and they bump it up again. You can see those differences.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You can.

[Marques Brownlee]

You can also see the first iPhone that gets night mode, which is the 11. So there's way more interesting information in that second one of low light. I think we'll do more because it's fun to. I'm not even narrating them. I might later make a long form like what we learned video about all this stuff, but maybe we'll do like all the Google phones because we know there's like a moment where the pixel gets really good camera. Maybe we'll do a Samsung phones one because we've reviewed every Samsung phone. We can keep going with this stuff and maybe if comments, if you have good comments, let us know what you want to see. I think a good close up photo would be interesting because close up photos got good in the last 10 years, but they were always really bad before, so that could be fun too.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'll say two things about it. One is while the actual end photo, a lot of them might look different. The like UI and interface and taking the photos was. I took all the photos in the first one. It gets real slow, real fast. Like taking the pictures are just such a nicer experience than the newer ones. And I think the way after posting this I realized this short went really viral is how many people just straight up stole all of the content in it and posted it all over social media.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. I mean I posted a video because people like to take like a frame or two out of it and then post them as their own post. Basically.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's really annoying that we do this thing of like this goes from 17 and you get to watch all the way down to one. And then someone goes, I'm just going to clip out the two final things and post it with no credit on Twitter and get 5 million views. It's infuriating.

[Marques Brownlee]

That does happen.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It happened all over. I mean, Instagram, everything, even. Even posting at MKBHD feels really crap because, like, maybe it goes to you,

[Marques Brownlee]

but I don't know, at least tag me.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Monetizing all of these different social media platforms to just allow stolen content like that has destroyed social media.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

Monetization over engagement is. Is probably the worst thing that's happened to social media for sure.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think you should still be able to get your precious engagement and tag the source. You could.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Some of them are straight up, aren't even doing that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Please do that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But that's also like a. The comparing the final two. So you don't even go watch the. Like, why would you watch the content? That's a spoiler. That's like taking every one of our reviews and just posting the last frame with the final sentence across it and spamming it all over Twitter, which now I might have given someone that idea.

[Adam Oram]

Can you summarize this video for me, please?

[Marques Brownlee]

People love taking the title and thumbnail of a review and then just commenting about it as if that's the review because it's the packaging of the video. But there's way more nuance to the video.

[David Pierce]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, that happens a lot. I was going to say something else about this. Oh. Since this was every iPhone, we had to get all the photos from the iPhones to my computer to edit it. The first one. You know, the latest iPhones are easy. You just open up, airdrop and airdrop it to the Mac. I was surprised at how far do you. David, how old of an iPhone do you think I was able to airdrop the photo to myself?

[David Pierce]

4s.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's exactly right.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

That is the newest, the oldest iPhone that I was able to airdrop to myself. After that, we had to.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Fun fact on this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So I did the final four or five of them. I was like looking online, how do I get these out? Because it used to be itunes. Right. We had the. It was basically everything with a 30 pin connector.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I had to do. And I'm searching on Reddit and people are like, oh, use what's it called, Image capture on.

[Marques Brownlee]

On Mac.

[Andrew Manganelli]

On Mac, it could see all of the files, but it wouldn't open them or import them. And then I'm just like, you Know what? Windows file management is so much better than Apple. I literally all I had to do is plug it in and I could just go into it like a hard drive and pull the file. So it was just easier to pull it out on a Windows computer than it was on the company that makes it. So top to bottom integration my butt. If you have an older thing, they

[Marques Brownlee]

figured it out somewhere around the 4s or the 5.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, I think Apple has always been for like, they've been not wanting people to have to even think about folder structures. And that's why, like, the iPad didn't even get folders until like way, way, way too late. So everyone wants them, obviously. But the whole what's a computer campaign? Like, the kids don't care about the.

[Adam Oram]

It's genuinely crazy how many young people don't know, like, the file structure of computers.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, I learned that recently. That seems like a pretty fundamental thing. Obviously our parents grew up with other. Yeah, our parents grew up with other fundamentals that we think is ridiculous. It turns out young people are growing up not caring about file structures.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, I saw a meme that was like, if you're Gen Z, the tech literacy bar is whether or not you installed Minecraft mods when you were a kid. And if you didn't do that, then

[Andrew Manganelli]

you probably don't understand computer file structure. There's a like, weird video game thing like that that is the source of every major software engineer right now. You either bought it Runescape, you played Gary's mod, you installed Minecraft mods. Like there are different. Roblox is going to be the new one.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, I mean, my gateway was definitely Android and like in flashing roms, Flash, that was my gateway to like learning technology.

[Andrew Manganelli]

We're in the middle of doing that for the Google phone we're setting up right now, and it's a pain in the neck.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I do have a super, super niche version of that, which I've brought it up. I think once on this podcast before, I played a truck simulator game on PC called 18 Wheels of Steel. And you could download your own mods from these forums and then drop it into the right folder structure. And you could have your own custom trucks and you could change the attributes of the truck, get the text file, change the engine power, drop that in there.

[Adam Oram]

That.

[David Pierce]

What are any of them? Thomas the Tank Engine.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I was going to say this is like Skyrim.

[David Pierce]

There's an amazing. Have you seen the Skyrim with the dragon flying down? But it's just Thomas the Tank Engine. It's like breathing fire on people. Yeah, that is funny, though.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. But file structure, no one knows. Listen, if you want your computer to go faster, find system 32. Delete that. You're going to fly.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, it is funny, actually. You know how the boomers will be like, do you kids even know what a floppy disk is? I feel like the newer version of that is, do kids know what a file folder is? Have they ever seen a physical file folder?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, no one's ever seen a physical file folder.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like the manila. Yeah, like manila.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, like a manila folder. You are talking physical folder.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, damn. Yeah. No, probably not.

[David Pierce]

I mean, yeah, my first ever job, I had to, like, keep a filing cabinet. Like, a filing cabinet. Kids probably have never seen filing cabinets.

[Adam Oram]

That's a really good.

[Ellis Rowan]

I had a moment like that recently because I was thinking about how, like, in our parents generation, like, inbox and out boxes were a thing. Like, you would literally have two boxes on your desk for a. Remember there was an inbox in an outbox. And it occurred to me that those sit on your desktop. And I was like, that's what the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Literally file structure.

[Ellis Rowan]

The folders sit on the desktop.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[Ellis Rowan]

Just like. And that's when I realized that every desk I've ever owned my whole life had a computer on it. So.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, and on your desktop, it's like your desktop is your. Is your home, you know that? And everything sits on top of your desktop.

[Ellis Rowan]

And then also, like, it makes sense how, like, the original conception of the desktop was things would only live there temporarily before you'd move it into your documents folder.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Until they realize we're all hoarders and desktops are disgusting.

[David Pierce]

All the older people watching this right now are like, God damn these guys. And we're like, in our 30s, bro.

[Ellis Rowan]

I know, I know.

[David Pierce]

It's, like, not good.

[Ellis Rowan]

But it's interesting. The thing you brought up earlier, proof that I'm actually Gen Z, is I learned my first scripts and, like, how to use Terminal and stuff from Minecraft mods.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Perfect.

[Ellis Rowan]

Nice.

[David Pierce]

Very good. Cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, speaking of computers, old computers, Apple did finally, officially wait until right after we recorded the podcast last week to kill the Mac Pro.

[David Pierce]

It was like, the day after.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I've never been more sure that they waited till Thursday afternoon.

[Marques Brownlee]

Who else would care much?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, no one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

I mean, Thursday afternoon.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, afternoon. The afternoon part is how I know. Because then we couldn't even do a breaking. Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So they kept it on the site for a while. It was always available, but it hasn't Gotten updates since the M2 generation M2 Ultra Mac Pro. I've had it on my desk. I talked about it in the desk tour that I did, which is like, this product is effectively end of life, but not officially dead yet. Last week they officially removed it from the Apple Store, removed it from their website, and now they've confirmed, I think four. From a statement somewhere, I don't remember,

[Andrew Manganelli]

nine to five Mac nine to five. Reached out.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they said they're not going to, you know, update it anymore.

[David Pierce]

So, yeah, it felt like they only made that product because people had been begging for it for so long and it just was very useless.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I. Okay. Andrew's giving me this look like the Mac Pro.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Do you remember us cheering? Like, everyone looked at you in the audience.

[Marques Brownlee]

I remember that. I remember being at. It was probably dub dub. And they said, new Mac Pro. And I felt everyone turn around and go, ah, yeah, yeah. You know, the Mac Pro. The idea of the Mac Pro is it's basically just a bigger enclosure with more cooling and PCI expansion. And all Apple missed on was really facilitating this ecosystem of PCI expansion accessories. There's a couple. I had an OWC ssd. I have that still on my Mac Pro. There's some networking cards. There's still some GPUs that are potentially useful for very specific applications like decoding video. But it really never materialized as a really vibrant ecosystem because Thunderbolt's good and you can just plug in basically anything you need via Thunderbolt in a Mac studio and get effectively the same thing. PCI is still faster, but Thunderbolt's really, really fast now. So the market for people who can't get it done with Thunderbolt but can with a Mac Pro was about three people. I'm not even one of those people. I could just be using Thunderbolt. But yeah, the Mac Pro, I'm sure nobody bought that thing for a couple years and it finally was officially deceased.

[David Pierce]

It was funny because they made the version that had the feet and then they made the version that was supposed to go in server centers.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The Rack.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, the Rack version. And it was like, did anybody buy that for server centers?

[Ellis Rowan]

I just don't think I know one person who had a Rack mounted Mac Pro.

[David Pierce]

Did they just buy it for personal use though, and they just happened to buy the Rack mounted version?

[Ellis Rowan]

They did buy it for personal use. They bought it as a touring computer for lighting and video stuff for like Pro arena shows. And it was just way more convenient to have it rack mounted because then you could put it directly in a flight case and get to a venue,

[Andrew Manganelli]

you know, it's more convenient. A Mac Studio now.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I was gonna say, did they. Do you know if this person used PCI cards?

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, yeah, they did. Because when you're doing like really complex video output stuff, you need like a, like what's called like a Decklink from blackmagic is like an example of like a really intense video IO that. Yeah, you guys know, y' all don't

[David Pierce]

need to explain, you know, what you're talking about.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was just, it was a, it was a confusing product the second it switched to Apple Silicon. Because then now it was like all this unified memory, no more expandable RAM and GPU support was effectively nothing. But they still have PCI slots, so you could still do some very specialized stuff. And it was like, I mean, don't

[David Pierce]

you have like 18 terabytes of SSD storage?

[Marques Brownlee]

I have a 64 terabyte PCIe SSD and I, I speed test it to this day. I have equivalent Thunderbolt 5 version of the same thing. And it gets three times the speed from the PCI SSD, but three times and also very fast speed is still like it was 9,000 versus 3,500. So it was like, I should have been using a Mac Studio all these years ago, but I was stubborn. I didn't buy a new one. I think when they make the Ultra, hopefully soon make the M5 Ultra. Seems like what they're going to do.

[David Pierce]

I've heard it's coming soon.

[Marques Brownlee]

That I think is what I will finally upgrade to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just have a Thunderbolt drive.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Just Thunderbolt. Yeah, you. I mean, you almost. Why can't I think of the word manifested this? Because like within the month before, you just kept going like, I don't think I need this anymore. I think I could just use the Studio with this and the new Studio Honors and blah, blah, blah. And then Apple was like, finally he said it, get rid of it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I did the, the Studio display review. I said, Studio is the new Pro. Cause that couldn't have been any more clear. They literally came out with the new Studio Display XDR and discontinued the Pro display in the same announcement. And it was like, oh, no more Pro because Studio is good enough and here's the new thing. And then the Mac Pro sitting over there kind of shaking like, yeah, yeah, that's true. So we know Mac Studio is already more than enough for all of the pros who are using Macs for all these things. There's a Couple who are still using Pro displays. There's a couple who are still using Mac Pros. They'll still use those things but it's like Studio is where it's at.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Kudos to the 9 to 5 Mac people who made their banner image a Mac Pro upside down with its little feet up and just looks like a piece of roadkill. So funny. I also have a quick question for all of you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sure.

[Andrew Manganelli]

For funsies, I put Marques's maxed out M2 Ultra Mac Pro in the trade in program for Apple. What do you think you would get back?

[David Pierce]

How much did you buy it for?

[Marques Brownlee]

It was over 10. 10 racks.

[Adam Oram]

Are we doing closest without going which is.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll just do bad considering that it started at 7,000. Yeah. The intel ones were like 50,000.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

This has. It was maxed out. It had 8 terabytes of storage and it had 192 gigs of unified memory. I think I spent 13 on it or something. I don't think Apple's going to give me very much. I think they would give me less than 5. Probably 3,000.

[David Pierce]

Probably less I guess. Cause remember the 50 wasn't the $50,000 one. I tried the trade in and it was like 1,000 bucks.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I thought those were 500 to. I'll recycle it for you.

[David Pierce]

I think it was 1,000 bucks.

[Marques Brownlee]

Was that because Apple Silicon had come out and so the intel ones were like useless, just melted down for metal? Yeah, basically yes.

[David Pierce]

Or scraps.

[Ellis Rowan]

I think they're going to give you a G$280.

[Marques Brownlee]

That would be insane.

[David Pierce]

That would be insane. That's less than an iPhone.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's how much it takes to ship it.

[Adam Oram]

I think they will recycle it for you.

[David Pierce]

I'm gonna say a G. I think

[Andrew Manganelli]

Marquez is the closest. It is 2,665. That's not. It's that bad. I almost wonder if the trading program got the memo that these got discontinued yet. But yeah, I think that price will go down very fast now which is

[Marques Brownlee]

an M2 Ultra Max studio.

[Andrew Manganelli]

But that means in three years, right? 2023 is when you bought this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Something like. Yeah, something like that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's a fifth of the value.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you can get that. Obviously isn't that fully loaded M4 Max Max studio for that price.

[Ellis Rowan]

It's still a crazy computer.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes, it's a really good computer.

[David Pierce]

How much they cost on ebay.

[Marques Brownlee]

The thing is just how good Apple Silicon keeps getting. Remember I benchmarked them M5 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch and it's the fastest single threaded Mac CPU core ever. And it's like most of the stuff you do. That's the thing. Like most of the stuff I do on a Mac most of the time is not editing. It's like all the regular stuff. It's writing, it's the, you know, whether it's thumbnails or like all the everyday web browsing stuff, emails that I do. And then 5% of the time it's really, really heavy video editing. So all the sacrifices that I made in daily usability to go into video editing, it's like those probably should just be two different computers.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And so now. Yeah, it's just the new stuff is good at both.

[David Pierce]

These vary a lot for your spec. They've sold on ebay for as little as $2,500 and as high as $7,800.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's funny to complain about how little Apple would give me for it, but how much would I pay for that computer now? You couldn't.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You wouldn't.

[Marques Brownlee]

I would never buy it now.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Why?

[David Pierce]

Yeah. Cause you could get a way better computer for the. Yeah, I guess the RAM is in the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because I don't need the PCI expansion

[David Pierce]

in the next studio.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

Damn, that's crazy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

See ya.

[Marques Brownlee]

See you later.

[Adam Oram]

I'm sure there's somewhere that has like a couple of these doing some very niche business stuff that would just go buy this.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was hoping, I think secretly hoping for like a really sick video card that would like decode right after burner. Like an after burner card. Yeah. And that just never happened.

[Ellis Rowan]

Also like as much as I'm, you know, I love these big 16 inch MacBook Pros. They're not like thermally perfect. You know what I mean? Like you do benefit from having the, the big, the big case. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Mac Studio.

[Ellis Rowan]

Or I was going to say the Mac Pro. Like even though you're not going to get a chipset that's like, you know, you probably would still get better speeds on a thermally throttled 16 inch M5 max. But I don't know. There's something nice about knowing your cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

I would say the best case scenario for AVO Silicon today was if they put the highest end chip in the Mac Pro and just let us cool the crap out of it and do whatever we want. But that's another story. RIP Mac Pro.

[Adam Oram]

So if you're still here watching this with us, then you probably like tech, so you should subscribe. If you're hanging around here on Whatever podcast platform of choice. Anyway, this has been a crazy week for kind of like software development. There was like an Axios NPM hack earlier this week. Then Axiom. Axiom. Thank you. We were just reading. We were just reading Axios.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's.

[Adam Oram]

There was an NPM thing. Whatever. We're not the place for that. What we are the place for is to laugh at the fact that Anthropic accidentally leaked their own Claude code code to the Internet and it is now freely floating around Twitter. But fair warning, be careful if you go looking for this code, because if you get caught with it on your computer or if you're sharing it or whatever, there's like legal terms of service things where you could be sued by Anthropic, which we just found pretty ironic.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's hilarious.

[David Pierce]

You stole our stuff and we stole all the other stuff.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Wait, wait, we steal, not you guys.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah. Hey, it's like. No, no, it's not theft if all you do is train a model on it. But also, don't train your models on our code.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

By the way, love Claude, pay for it. Happy with my $20 a month leaving my bank account, but still jokes on you, Buddy. This is. This is dumb.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I will never feel bad for an AI company getting anything stolen from.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sorry.

[Andrew Manganelli]

They have all stolen everything. And they're just like, people do that.

[David Pierce]

They had a comment.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah, all this stuff is like, ongoing. So by the time you're listening to this, there's probably been way more developments. But just be aware.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, but there's some. There's some interesting stuff aside from, you know, getting to laugh and do the little jester dance. Like there's some interesting stuff in the leak. For example, they were planning this like, thing called Buddy, which was like a. Seemed like a Tamagotchi style interface for Claude. And there were these goofy. Do you know what a distillation attack is?

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Nope.

[Ellis Rowan]

So a distillation attack, you take like a pipsqueak AI and then you take a big chad AI and then you take the pipsqueak AI. Just prompts the chat AI over and over and over again.

[David Pierce]

Learns from it.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah. And like, pays attention to, like, how it's doing its reasoning. And then it trains itself on the kind of reasoning that the chat AI is doing. And it's a way you could make something weak like a 13 param. 13 million parameter quen. Learn from something like Claude Opus 4.6. And there were these goofy anti distillation measures in there that would like create fake API calls that like that. So that it would be. It would like, poison the training data for like these distillation attacks.

[David Pierce]

Nice.

[Adam Oram]

There's a lot.

[Ellis Rowan]

I'm anthropic. I'm sorry this happened. But also.

[David Pierce]

Well, moving on to the biggest news of the week, possibly the year, possibly the entire decade. Did you guys create your email accounts in like 2003?

[Ellis Rowan]

Yes.

[Adam Oram]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Long time ago.

[David Pierce]

Gmail.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, that's the problem. It wasn't Gmail. All my cringe emails are on AOL.com AOL Yahoo Hotmail.

[David Pierce]

You're not still using them, right?

[Andrew Manganelli]

No.

[David Pierce]

Yeah. Okay, well, Google has just announced that they are allowing you to change your email address. Yes. This is a big deal because I have five email addresses.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, boy.

[David Pierce]

Yes, big deal. So now you're able to change your account username once every 12 months on your Google account. Your previous address will still be saved as an alternate email address and can still be used to sign into your account if you want. But. And you can switch back to your alternate at any time. So if you have like memelord72mail.com you can now become.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Now you can be memelord6.7.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's right.

[Adam Oram]

See, I. I thought this in along those lines where I have a professional email account because I had the foresight when I was a young high school student to just like use my name. I want to change it now. Yeah, I know, I'm a nerd. I want to Change it to memelord 6.

[David Pierce]

7.

[Marques Brownlee]

What is the point?

[David Pierce]

Yeah, that's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

So does this work where, like, you kind of have like a trail now of usernames and all of them still work? Like you've had your old username, then you change it to the new username, but you still get emails. If people email the old username and then a year later you change it again, you still get both old.

[David Pierce]

I don't know how that would work.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Google will kill this program before one year goes by, so it doesn't matter.

[David Pierce]

I'm not sure how that would work.

[Adam Oram]

It just uses email alias, so I would assume it would work.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's like mail forwarding pretty much.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm gonna start my land grab of all the best email addresses. Just keep going.

[David Pierce]

But you could do that already by just creating new Google accounts.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but then I have to log into each one of them.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, true.

[Ellis Rowan]

So excited for this.

[Andrew Manganelli]

My two questions are, one, aren't most of the reasons we have bad email addresses because the one we wanted was taken already? So, like, by the time I try and Change it to just andrew manganelli mail.com. that's probably been taken. Have you tried Years? I haven't. I'll try.

[David Pierce]

I saw a lot of people on online getting the ones that they thought were taken before, but I mean, no longer taken.

[Andrew Manganelli]

To be fair, they've probably, at this point, purged a lot of inactive accounts. I know Yahoo did that a while ago. Like, they just purged a ton of accounts that weren't used for X amount of time.

[Adam Oram]

So maybe my dream is to just get at Adam everywhere. Because, yes, it is my actual name, but it is also such a common name that it is, like, completely anonymous.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Bro, that ain't even gonna happen in your dreams.

[Adam Oram]

Every time the new social media app comes up and I rush early beta to get at Adam, there's already someone, I guess, internally at the company named

[Marques Brownlee]

Adam is literally the first guy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's the first letter of the Alphabet. You're. Oh, yeah, that's true. Sorry, bro.

[David Pierce]

Did you get it on T2?

[Adam Oram]

I did not get it on T2. It was like Adam348 or something like that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You couldn't get Adam, but Ellis got dad. That's.

[David Pierce]

Dad is just God. So I guess he was first. He was before Adam.

[Andrew Manganelli]

My other question on this is there's so many websites that use email as the username for login, so I'm assuming the old ones still will still work.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. This is going to break something along that line somewhere, almost definitely. And it's going to cause major frustration.

[David Pierce]

I was thinking, because I. You know, my original email address that I ever made, which is so cringe. It is my login for everything.

[Adam Oram]

Because I was gonna just bully you into saying it, but maybe you shouldn't.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, don't.

[David Pierce]

I will not say it.

[Ellis Rowan]

Andrew, your Last name is Two Ls, right?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yes.

[Ellis Rowan]

Okay, you have, like, 30 seconds to get andrewmaganellimail.com.

[David Pierce]

wait, it is available right now?

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, I'm claiming it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, is that real? How can I do this?

[David Pierce]

Okay, I'll show you how to do it. So go to your Gmail.

[Adam Oram]

Wait, not live on the pod, please.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay.

[Ellis Rowan]

Interrupt. Kidding.

[David Pierce]

I think you have to do it on your phone.

[Ellis Rowan]

I mean, I do literally have it up.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It actually says it's available. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

But I'm not. I'm not actually going to claim it.

[David Pierce]

I think you have to be on

[Ellis Rowan]

claim it before this episode.

[David Pierce]

Before.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. Yeah, I'll do it later.

[David Pierce]

Yeah. My full name was taken by a famous marine biologist.

[Adam Oram]

Wait, you use it for logging into everything.

[David Pierce]

I don't remember what I was gonna say. I totally lost my train of thought.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Oram]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Speaking of losing the train of thought, nothing is gonna make glasses. What? This is a rumor.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Famous Nothing leaker Mark Gurman wrote an article about nothing potentially working on smart glasses for 2027.

[David Pierce]

More like losing the train of plot, am I right?

[Adam Oram]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Everybody is working on glasses. Allegedly.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Hey, I'll go real quick into this. There's not a ton of information they apparently will have built in. Cameras, microphones and speakers. No display. AI features would be offloaded to your smartphone in the cloud. Essentially. Meta ray bans.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, but not meta. So there's that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, like, I'm not gonna lie.

[Ellis Rowan]

They don't need gu. They don't need glasses. Okay. I mean, they don't need cameras because I prompt an AI once every two days minimum.

[David Pierce]

Okay.

[Ellis Rowan]

I'm a heavy AI user. Never once have I given it a prompt that required a photograph. Sure. Sometimes I take screenshots and include that in my prompt.

[David Pierce]

You've never uploaded a photo?

[Ellis Rowan]

Never. I've uploaded screenshots. I've uploaded screenshots of my computer screen, but never once have I ever needed an AI that the input needed a photo. And I'm sorry, the only reason these stupid glasses have cameras is because they know they're going to sell all the data they illegally scrape.

[David Pierce]

While that is true, I think it might only be you that has never uploaded a photo to one of these.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Also, guys, you can just take pictures and videos without AI needing to send it to AI. I want these because there's so many

[Ellis Rowan]

times your glasses you can do with your phone.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Not if I'm holding Lane with two hands. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So there's a lot of. I will just. I will remind you that the number one use case of the meta ray bans for most people is first person hands free video. It's a thousand percent what most people buy those glasses for.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, they probably don't use the AI

[Ellis Rowan]

most of the time.

[Marques Brownlee]

There is, like, always going to be the argument of I can do this with my phone. Because most stuff that these tiny computers can do, you have a computer in your pocket that can do all of that already. But there's this race for, like, putting the thing on your face because kind of like AI, a lot of them believe that this is the next frontier of computing or whatever, and if the smartphone's going to die and it's going to be glasses next, well, I better get in now. So they're all trying it and they're all getting in something on the ground floor to have a first gen glasses product next year. What will nothing's advantage be? Seems like they're gonna, I mean, they do design, so they're gonna probably have some fun with design.

[David Pierce]

Do you think Google will announce the Gemini glasses at IO this year? Like officially?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think that would feel about right because we've heard about this like being worked on for a while and we've seen it.

[David Pierce]

They had demos at IO last year.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think they're very useful. I think the feature that I got the most of a kick out of was like coming out of the subway or coming off of getting out of a taxi and having maps, navigation, like look through the camera and figure out where you're oriented and put an arrow where you're supposed to be going right away. That's super useful. And I feel like the Google one,

[David Pierce]

Google Glass did this in 2012.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, Google Glass would not orient it on the display in front of me. It would show me like what street I should be looking for and I'd look for the street sign. Not that that's that difficult, but it's just the magic of I pop out and it's like, go this way.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Pretty sweet. Yeah. So like they're going to all try to come up with their own killer features and their own reasons for why you should buy their version. Am I shocked that nothing's making this? No. They also are the same ones that were like, we don't have to have a flagship phone every year just because everyone's doing it. But they got to make glasses though. Yeah.

[David Pierce]

Carl Pei is also a big, big AI guy. So.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah. But I genuinely believe that if they release these glasses without any Internet connection and just the ability to record with glasses, they will sell just as many.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's true. I agree.

[David Pierce]

I agree with that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I am essentially excited for these because one, I think nothing does make cool looking products. I think these might look pretty cool dorky. I think these are going to be cheaper because it's nothing, which is like, then I wouldn't feel bad paying that money because I would just be wearing them as sunglasses. I'm not the. I don't feel like wearing fake lenses and fake glasses, like indoors for everything. So I would just buy these as sunglasses. And honestly, the AI is probably gonna suck because it's nothing. So I don't care. I just want to take some videos with Lane sometimes, like first person videos where I can use both my hands and like, this will probably be cheaper. And also, I'll still give Nothing a ton of credit for this. Both their new phones has a red recording light on it, so hopefully these glasses will have an actual real recording light so people can tell when you're recording glasses. It would be so funny. And it wouldn't also not surprise me.

[Marques Brownlee]

One band, we're like, I think, appropriately assigning a lot of the attributes of Nothing's current phones to what we think these glasses will have.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And like the headphones too. Did you like the headphone design? I'm trying to remember.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So I, I. No, I like the earbud design.

[Marques Brownlee]

The earbud design.

[David Pierce]

I like the headphone design.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So, like, it's fine.

[Marques Brownlee]

Most people with glasses on your face, I'm guessing here, but they kind of want them to sort of fade away and just like look like glasses and not draw too much attention.

[Adam Oram]

No, I want glyphs on mine.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I was like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cause there's other people who would like, you could get the transparent glasses. You can have the computer showing and the lights and all this.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Stu, those are the best Meta Ray Bans. The clear ones were the best looking. Meta Ray Bans.

[Marques Brownlee]

They were the most hyped.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think they were the coolest ones.

[David Pierce]

Look, what I was just about to say is all you people that bought those limited edition clear ones, I know you think they look cool. They really.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, they're sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

They look.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, my God.

[Marques Brownlee]

It depends on where you are. It's very specific to where you are. If you are walking around a place where lots of other people have Meta Ray Bans, then it's cool to have the one that looks a little different.

[David Pierce]

Sure. On Meta's campus.

[Marques Brownlee]

On Meta's campus mostly is where I was like, experiencing this. But if you're just kind of like out around in a normal place, having the computer on your glasses look. Computer on your face look is not as appreciated. It was like the same thing with Google Glass. Like Google Glass when I was testing them as a student in Hoboken, New Jersey. I remember walking around like Hoboken wearing Google Glass, feeling unbelievably self conscious. Cause I feel everyone looking at me. I'm wearing a computer on my face. But like, you guys don't know. Like, I got the directions up here, like I got the notifications up here.

[Adam Oram]

It's like the meme of the guy

[Andrew Manganelli]

in the corner of the party. They don't know I have a computer on my face.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. It's such an isolating, like, weirdly antisocial thing.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's what I'm looking for.

[Marques Brownlee]

But now this is going to be the thing where, like, if glasses blow up and everyone has glasses, then the design actually becomes a part of, like, why you might pick one over the other.

[Andrew Manganelli]

If I'm just always. Well, no, I'll look like a creep if it's just always recording. But if you're recording, no one's going to want to come up and talk to me.

[David Pierce]

The design is very important. That's why Google is partnering with, with like Gentle Monster, you know, like Meta did Rayman. It's gonna be the, you know, the. It's gonna be the car phone collab of the glasses world.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. And I mean, you're putting a computer on their face like you need it. I think everyone has to partner with some existing, like, we make glasses. People wanna buy company because I just like Google. Google learned from this, from Glass already. They had a compelling product that was not only 15 years too early, but nobody wants to wear an obvious computer on your face.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So if you just have it in glasses and it just looks like regular glasses, you're already at the peak of what people want. So we'll see some of that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Dibs on review unit.

[David Pierce]

Maybe I should go to 2020.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I guess they're clear.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't think. Yeah, I.O. is what, June?

[David Pierce]

It's June. No, sorry, it's May 17th.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm expecting Android, Gemini and AI glasses. It's mostly just AI.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

But I mean, they showed off the glasses early last year, IO. So I feel like they got to be ready to launch them, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Not necessarily. I mean, sometimes they just show stuff off.

[David Pierce]

I mean, Meta's like eating everybody's lunch right now. Yeah, they're like three years ahead of everybody else.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was funny. Meta showed off the stuff they were working on and then suddenly it was you could buy it, which was crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll see. All right. Speaking of Google, quick thing, we did see some Pixel 11 leak renders start to pop out and shocker. Lot of similarities to the pixel 10. Like, a lot.

[David Pierce]

No way.

[Marques Brownlee]

Matter of fact, I saw it. I saw it on my timeline and I thought, oh, another Pixel 10.

[David Pierce]

That's what it looks like, same color.

[Marques Brownlee]

I honestly just saw thinner bezels and more ram. That's all I saw. As like, expected new things, what I saw.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So it's from onleaks, the CAD drawings that are then rendered. It does seem like maybe thinner bezels. It also will be 0.1 millimeter thinner than the Pixel 10. But don't get too excited because the Pixel 9 was already 0.1 millimeter. This is the same dimension as the Pixel 9. Just Pixel 10 had to maybe be a little thicker because of the battery or the magnets.

[Marques Brownlee]

0.1 millimeters.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Some of this stuff. And this is really early and not confirmed, but I'm still seeing people say this is going to be 128 gigabyte base storage. And Google, I promise you, if it comes out 128 gig base storage, same price, I will do everything in my power to convince Marques to give this bust of the year because it deserves it. I tried real hard last time, but 16e came out. Yeah, I will lose my.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think this is the same because I'm again assigning what would happen in the past to the future. I think if tensor G6 is again underwhelming and not much of a big improvement from G5. And it's the same price and it's the same cameras and it's the same design, same dimensions, same features and same battery and same 128gigs of storage. I think that takes the front for bust of the year so far. Like what? Worst deal has come out so far.

[David Pierce]

Something worse will happen, I guarantee.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm pretty sure it's only April. It's like we got plenty of time. But that would be incredibly disappointing. Disappointing, I would say.

[David Pierce]

I will say. And this is just on the renders, so nobody really knows, but people are saying that it doesn't seem like there's a thermometer sensor on it anymore.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh no.

[David Pierce]

So you know, if you were cooking your meat with your pixel, then rip to you. Guess you can't do that anymore.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm surprised it's not already gone crazy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't want to go. I don't know if it's actually 120 gig base, but if it is, we'll see.

[Marques Brownlee]

We'll give him a chance. We'll give him a chance.

[Andrew Manganelli]

If Apple is really the like the budget or not budget, not budget. I did not say budget. Price. Price conscious, big player in the US in 2026. We've lost the plot.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hey, watch SE17 Neo Neo iPad.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Even just base 17 was great.

[Marques Brownlee]

Base 17. Yeah.

[David Pierce]

True.

[Adam Oram]

Hey, Andrew, Apple Shell over here. That's crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, you know what's, you know what's the opposite of changing a lot every time? You know what's super consistent thing we

[David Pierce]

do every single time?

[Marques Brownlee]

Trivia.

[David Pierce]

It's consistent that we always get it wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[David Pierce]

We got to do an Extravaganza soon, by the way.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Soon.

[Ellis Rowan]

We had a. We had a conversation about extravaganza yesterday. It's exciting, but it probably. We probably won't see an extravaganza till June. That's when I think it makes the most sense. So you'll have many more weeks to stock up on points.

[David Pierce]

That's what Stray Manifesto told me. And then it didn't happen until a year later.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm gonna start studying.

[Ellis Rowan]

There will be. There will be another Trivia extravaganza in 2026.

[Adam Oram]

It will return in Avengers.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, but we are. We are reaching the point where it's getting really hard to come up with extravaganza questions because we've done a few too many of them. No, but guys. Yes, we just talked about yet another pixel leak. Seems like pixels leak more then my faucet. I was gonna say I don't know anything that's notorious for leaking other than pixels.

[Marques Brownlee]

Frankly.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Quadco

[Ellis Rowan]

sitting right in front of me. But, but, but there was an iPhone that didn't just leak. Leaked so badly that Gizmodo was able to do a full tear down because they found it left at a bar.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, we know this.

[Ellis Rowan]

Which iPhone was it?

[David Pierce]

Simple.

[Marques Brownlee]

I remember this.

[David Pierce]

Simple questions deserve simple points.

[Marques Brownlee]

There are so many if you stories that spiraled out of this story. Yeah, this is like an all time

[David Pierce]

Steve Jobs call this man.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, we're never going to get another leak story.

[David Pierce]

Like, I don't think so. I think this is the penultimate.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, this is what everyone who does leaks now dreams of.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, the engineer that leaked that phone, he. He vanished in sort of just like.

[David Pierce]

Oh, and yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Also I don't even know if leakers dream of it because didn't they sue the hell out of the guy who took it from the bar a lot?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yes, definitely sued. Oh yeah. Because it was stolen property. The police got involved. There's a whole thing. Yeah, the. Those of you who know the story already know which phone it was.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

If you don't, you're going to find out.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't know what phone was.

[Marques Brownlee]

You'll find out by the end of this episode.

[David Pierce]

Maybe I do know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Answers at the end like usual.

[David Pierce]

We'll be right back.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, welcome back. We've gotta settle something here. Last week on the pod I mentioned, and it may or may not have been the title, that Flighty was a top five app of all time. Unbelievably useful. Super good if you use it, you know. And it turned out to be kind of A hot take. There's a lot of people who like a lot of other apps. I decided it would be fun if we all actually, Andrew decided this. If we all brought our top five apps to the table.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's kind of calling your bluff. I want to see if you're really going to put it in your top five apps when we make you list your top five.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I actually thought about it now for a while. I went through both my iPhone and my Android phone, and I really thought about this, and I've got my top five apps and my honorable mentions.

[David Pierce]

If it's not in the top five, flight is going to be really sad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

Because they tweeted about it last week.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really good point. I can start it off if you want.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, we all have. I asked everyone. So that's what we're gonna do. We're all gonna do our top five.

[Ellis Rowan]

So there's one question I had about this because you. You specified mobile apps, not desktop apps.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Right.

[Ellis Rowan]

Does that include tablet apps? Yes, because that alters my. My list.

[Andrew Manganelli]

My question on desktop apps is, is that not just software?

[Ellis Rowan]

It is.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. I guess it's just like.

[Marques Brownlee]

But there's so many, like, web apps.

[Andrew Manganelli]

When I hear app, I think just

[David Pierce]

top five progressive web apps of all time.

[Marques Brownlee]

I also think there's not that many good apps.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The spirit of it in my eyes was really good.

[Ellis Rowan]

Okay, then I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do only phones, so no staff, no procreate.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. Yeah, let's go. Just mobile phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Top five mobile phone apps. I have my top five. I'm gonna give my honorable mentions first. That just barely missed my top five. Copilot finance app. There's a lot of apps like it. Not Microsoft Copilot.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Damn it. Damn it.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's a lot of apps like it, but it's just the best one. It helps you. You log into your accounts, your bank account, so you can see all of your transactions and sort through things, budget through things, keep an eye on it. There's lots of apps like it, but this is one of the best ones, in my opinion. It's the best one.

[David Pierce]

Subscription.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think there's a subscription tier I don't want to commit. Let me see.

[Ellis Rowan]

There is a subscription tier. I pay for it.

[David Pierce]

Is it worth it?

[Ellis Rowan]

It's $9. It was worth it.

[David Pierce]

$9.

[Ellis Rowan]

Mine broke recently, and I've been going back and forth with their support for about three months trying to get it fixed, and they just sort of were like, yeah, it doesn't Work. And I was just sort of like,

[David Pierce]

neither does my credit card.

[Ellis Rowan]

It's on my credit card. It's. It stopped syncing with my Venmo and so my Ven. My Venmo transactions don't show up in my Copilot anymore, which is like, not like I can still keep track of my finances, but it's really annoying that it worked for years. Stopped working. And they're just sort of like, no, it's a backend issue. We just can't fix it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's one of those things where, like, if the whole point of the app is to do everything and then it loses one of them, it, I will say severely strikes.

[Ellis Rowan]

I'm still a big fan of Copilot. It's just.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, not the Microsoft one.

[Marques Brownlee]

In finance, there is a lot of extra work in the back end sync stuff. I happen to know, like, people who work for these companies and it is a lot of work. So, yes, stuff does periodically break with it, but it is super useful to me. So it's in my honorable mentions. Athletic also makes my honorable mentions. It essentially takes all of the data my Apple Watch is collecting and formats them and displays them in different ways. Kind of like whoop. Like, it shows me a lot of the same scores and calculates how much exertion I can do today when I should work out all these other things. How much sleep is factoring in really useful for anyone who's an athlete and wants to keep track of a whole bunch of stuff.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's $2 a month versus $239 a month.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, there's going to be a theme. A lot of these are subscriptions.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm going to yell about whoop after the video.

[David Pierce]

Is it 239amonth?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, sorry, a year. Oh, thank God.

[David Pierce]

That's still.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, I'll talk. Trust me, I'm going to yell about it at the end of this episode. I have a whole whoop section.

[Marques Brownlee]

So athletics. Good. It's also iPhone only like copilot. Blip, blip. I discovered this year already. It's in my honorable mentions. We've been airdropping things to each other in the studio for so long, and it's kind of a running joke of how maybe it's just the environment we're in. There's like 20 airdrop devices within range of any one of these. So you open airdrop and suddenly things start popping up and you try to click one and it moves and you actually get the one you want and then it doesn't work or it declines even though they never saw the notification. Airdrop is just. It's supposed to be great, but it's kind of fidgety in the studio and Blip is just money every single time. File transfer app. Super useful. So Blip's honorable mention.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Incredible.

[Marques Brownlee]

Geekbench. I use it enough and it's been good for long enough. I'm on Geekbench 6. I paid for Geekbench Pro. I regularly use Geekbench in videos. You guys are familiar with this already? Geekbench. Honorable mention.

[David Pierce]

YouTube.

[Ellis Rowan]

Where?

[Andrew Manganelli]

YouTube.

[Marques Brownlee]

My last honorable mention.

[David Pierce]

Oh, honorable mention. Wait, so you're going to do like 10 apps?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, these are just ones that are close and I thought, you know, they have, like, slight downsides. Didn't make it. But YouTube is obviously great. My top five. In no particular order.

[Andrew Manganelli]

What? No, it literally has to be in an order.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not in order.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This has to be in order.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can't put these in order.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yes, you can.

[David Pierce]

Does that mean start at 5 and go up to 1?

[Marques Brownlee]

I can try, but I might regret. I might regret my top five. All right, number five.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Don't edit that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Number five. Relay for Reddit. Dude, it's an Android app. Yeah, it's the best Android Reddit app by a mile.

[David Pierce]

It's so good.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's awesome. It has a paid tier. It's worth it if you use Reddit. If you sort through things. It's just. It's super useful. It's a no question top five Android app ever. And it's in my top five. Waze. Waze is kind of not the prettiest app.

[David Pierce]

It's not.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it is one of the most functional. It's crowdsourced. It has all of your potholes and all of your closed roads and all of your routing and everything. Most of the reason people want CarPlay so they can put Waze instead of Google Maps on their car screen. Waze is goaded.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, wait. I almost put Google Maps in. Google Maps has everything from Waze now. It's like all officially in it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Almost.

[Andrew Manganelli]

What doesn't it have?

[Marques Brownlee]

A lot of the smaller granular.

[David Pierce]

What?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's alerting you about things. Google will say things like, I don't think it does potholes.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There's like object in road.

[Marques Brownlee]

It does object on road.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm not 100% sure about potholes, but I would assume it comes in.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've never been in Google Maps. To be fair, I haven't used maps as much lately, but fog, bad weather, flooding on the road.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There's visibility, closed roads. Do you know what? The one I don't notice, which I'm fine with, is the, like, vehicle stopped on side of road, which on Waze is every three miles. It feels like.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it does get annoying. And I wish I could be even more granular with, like, what it notifies me about, but I still think Waze is goaded.

[David Pierce]

Dude, if a vehicle's stopped on your shoulder, you probably got to go to the hospital.

[Marques Brownlee]

Jesus Christ.

[Adam Oram]

Wait, quick question about these, because I was debating using Google Maps in my top five as well, but that's almost like a utility to me at this point.

[Marques Brownlee]

Does that count if the app is good enough? I think you should count.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's kind of like YouTube number three. Flighty. Flighty. It's. We talked about it last week. If you fly enough. Flighty is unquestioned. It's like, it's almost a utility even

[Adam Oram]

if you don't fly enough. Like, I just like looking back at the passport and looking at the different places and trips and stuff.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The rewind, the whole thing.

[David Pierce]

I need someone to convince that it's worth it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Flighty.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, my God. Next time you fly. I tried to get on a trial. You could probably get like a trial version of it.

[David Pierce]

I used the trial and I was

[Marques Brownlee]

like, did it not blow your mind?

[David Pierce]

But I don't. I mean, it's a great. It's a great looking app.

[Marques Brownlee]

You're gonna be on a flight that gets delayed and you know from flighty, 45 minutes before everyone sitting at the gate knows and you get to rebook your flight before everyone else does and you're gonna go, wow, I'm glad I had Flighty.

[Adam Oram]

Are you speaking from experience?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes. Literally that's happened to me. All right, two more. Number two.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Tick, tick.

[David Pierce]

My tasks.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Saw that one coming.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, there's a lot of task apps like this. There's a lot of planning apps, there's a lot of calendar apps. This is just the one I keep coming back to. And I do constantly try to switch to other ones. Super list. Almost made my honorable mentions. But Ticktick is just that goat. It's just that goat. So I'm putting that in my top five. Number one. Carrot Weather.

[David Pierce]

Number one.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I'm not locking in the order of my top five. Carrot Weather is, by such a margin, my most often used weather app, that it's not even really close. It has essentially stolen the layout from Dark sky, which no one else has really cloned. I don't know if it's not allowed to clone it or if they're just the only ones bold enough to do it. But they've one to one cloned the layout from Dark sky, which is incredibly intuitive. The data's super accurate. The radar is really good. A lot of these apps are really good. And then the radar sucks. Has good radar. Good. Multiple sources. It's just a default app on my phone. It's also, unfortunately, iPhone only, but that's my top five. It's a bunch of iPhone apps and one Android app. Top five apps of all time. Tear my list apart. Anybody have any objections? All right. No.

[Adam Oram]

YouTube. No YouTube Studio.

[Andrew Manganelli]

YouTube is honorable mention YouTube.

[Marques Brownlee]

Honorable mention. YouTube Studio's pretty good.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's not.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is. It kind of does feel like utility to me. But yeah, it's good, but it's not, like, amazing.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's fine. It does what I want it to. I never really. I actually don't like editing descriptions and metadata in the studio app because I've had it truncate my input before. So I have a long description and then I'll edit it from the app and I'll hit submit and then I'll view it on the desktop and it cuts off, like, after however many characters.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wow.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I've had issues with the app before.

[David Pierce]

Yeah. There's also some things you can only do in the YouTube Studio app on your phone. Like, you know you can only add thumbnails to shorts in the YouTube Studio app, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I can only do that in the YouTube app.

[David Pierce]

The YouTube app.

[Marques Brownlee]

The YouTube Studio app. I can change the thumbnail, but when I go into the YouTube app and go into my videos and then go to edit, that's where I can change the thumbnail of a short. Is that weird?

[David Pierce]

You think they don't have for Google?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I guess they do. I swear, it sometimes feels like YouTube doesn't have that many actual creators on their platform because the amount of things that are just broken for.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, well, they have different teams for YouTube Studio. And where's the chapters?

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably different buildings.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, probably different buildings. Chapters.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I know you're out. I know there's creators out there. We know one of them very well.

[Marques Brownlee]

But like, yeah, if they add chapters, I'd add this to my.

[Andrew Manganelli]

If you justice for chapters ui.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, actually just add a UI for chapters, please. Yeah, like a real one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, like, why.

[David Pierce]

Why wouldn't you do that?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

I found out recently that it really, really helps to add chapters because then Google Search can index the chapters so that when Someone asks a question on Google Search, it'll bring you to the exact spot because it knows what the chapter was about. Huge. It's helpful. And yet you still have to just put timestamps in the description and then it breaks 85% of the time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Talk about breaks a lot.

[David Pierce]

We do it every week.

[Marques Brownlee]

Every week on this podcast.

[David Pierce]

And what is the number one tweet getting sent to us? Chapters. Why are there no chapters?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Our comment section backs us up now. At least usually now. It's like, this is great. Chapters working as of time.

[David Pierce]

If. If you see somebody and they're complaining about us not having chapters, please tell them what's going on. Please inform them, educate them.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it is. That's my list.

[David Pierce]

Okay. I have two honorable mentions. Number one of the honorable mentions, Google Opinion Rewards.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a good one.

[Adam Oram]

Deep cut all time.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This is a deep cut. Really awesome.

[David Pierce]

If you don't know what Google Pinion Rewards is, it's been around since like 2010. It's freaking amazing. It came out very soon after Android came out. It will periodically, based on your search data, based on other things, location data, whatever, send you a little survey. And it's usually one to. Sometimes it can be up to like 12 questions. Weirdly enough, it. So it pays you money, which is cool. Weirdly enough, it pays you based on the amount of questions you answered. So if you just lie to it, it'll keep giving you more questions. I don't do that. But the only app that I have a subscription for on my phone that isn't part of like a family bundle or something is the Pokemon trading card game app. And Google Pinion Rewards pays for my subscription for that, which is pretty awesome.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's the only app you have a

[David Pierce]

subscription for that isn't part of like a family plan. So like I have a Google family plan. YouTube that has YouTube Premium in it. I don't. I don't have Spotify YouTube Music, which is part of the family plan. And then I have the Apple one family plan, which also comes with Apple music, that kind of stuff. But I don't. We talked about in the car and at south by or something. I only have like one subscription that isn't part of other stuff. Yeah, I'm. I'm terrified of subscriptions anyway. Honorable mention, if you're not using Gopin Rewards, you should be using it because it gives you at least one like every couple of days. Sometimes it gives you like five. Yeah, most people forgot it was still around. Other thing, if you have Multiple phones. You can set it up on the same account with multiple phones and it'll serve you like multiple. It's crazy. I mean, I don't do that.

[Marques Brownlee]

They were sadly scamming bitcoin farming. I know.

[David Pierce]

I don't do that. But anyway, it's great. Okay. Honorable mention number two, Telegram. I know. Okay. The stickers and the emoji are all animated. It's so awesome. It's so amazing. Telegram is cross platform. It's got a desktop app.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah, you can get your porn bots anywhere.

[David Pierce]

It's amazing. Well, I, I pay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, I. Oh, we didn't even get one app further.

[David Pierce]

No, I realize I do have another subscription. It's Telegram Premium because it's like $20 a year, but it completely removes the porn apps. Porn bots.

[Adam Oram]

It makes it usable, Basically.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, it makes it usable because there is a feature in Telegram Premium where you can charge people to message you if they're not in your contacts already. Wow. Yeah, so it's like you can spam me, but you gotta pay, you know,

[Andrew Manganelli]

which is pretty cool.

[David Pierce]

No one has ever paid. Okay, now we're on to the actual apps. And this might be a top five, like in order of.

[Marques Brownlee]

You made me pick a file.

[David Pierce]

I didn't. Andrew did. Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[David Pierce]

Okay. Number five. Libby.

[Adam Oram]

I had that on mine too.

[David Pierce]

You can use it.

[Adam Oram]

No, I took it off.

[Ellis Rowan]

It's fine.

[David Pierce]

Libby is great. Is a library app. It's so good in New York City. It's amazing because we have three public libraries and you can get a library card for all three of them. And Libby will let you rent ebooks, it will let you rent audiobooks. It just has so many resources. I think you might get like a free New York Times subscription if you're part of the Brooklyn Public Library or something. It's pretty awesome. So it's a great app and I can't believe it's free. Very cool. Number four, Relay for Reddit. Also, I used Relay for so, so, so long. And eventually they did go subscription because of the Reddit apocalypse. My honorable mention for Reddit would be obviously Christian selling Zapp Apollo Rest in pieces. Number three, Nova Launcher.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah, it is nap.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, I think I was looking at. Because I was just trying to rack my brain this morning for like, what are the most popular apps? You know, Nova Launcher is one of the most downloaded apps of all time with over 5 million downloads.

[Marques Brownlee]

I could see that because of all time. There was such a long period of like the last 15 years where everyone who didn't have a Google phone but wanted a better launcher like all the TouchWiz phones, that's the first thing I installed on all those phones.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, totally.

[Marques Brownlee]

And a lot of people did the same thing.

[David Pierce]

Totally. So good. Number two, Viewfinder Preview. This is an app that I use to frame my film photos for when my cameras don't have viewfinders like my 3D printed cameras. It's really, really good. You can do various different aspect ratios, you can test things, you can take sample pictures with it. It's super basic, but I use it literally every week and I've been using it every week for like six years. So I think it's worth being in my top five. Number one for me, Pocket Casts. I think. I think Pocket Cast is probably the greatest app ever made.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wow.

[David Pierce]

It's really, really old.

[Marques Brownlee]

Multi platform.

[David Pierce]

It's multi platform. It has a web app. It has been passed around. It used to be owned by NPR for a while. Now it's owned by. What are they called? The people that do make automatic. Automatic. But it is a really insanely good ui.

[Marques Brownlee]

You don't pay for plus.

[David Pierce]

So the thing about it. And no, I don't. I bought it for $7 in 2012or whenever because they had a one time because subscriptions were not very popular back then. So I bought it for $7. And then when they switched to subscription, anyone who had bought it for $7 got the pro version for free for life.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[David Pierce]

So I'm grandfathered in. So I actually don't know what the free version of Pocket Cast is like. So I'm sorry if it sucks, but I just think it's just.

[Adam Oram]

It's pretty good. You just can't do like folders.

[David Pierce]

Insanely good podcast, apparently. Why would you need that?

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's the best. That's a good app though, is when like the subscription thing is really for a power user. But the free version gives you like 90% of what it is already.

[David Pierce]

Totally.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's a good app.

[David Pierce]

So not as exciting as Marquez's weather apps, but agreed. Yeah. What do you got, Andrew?

[Andrew Manganelli]

All right, let's go. Number five. No honorable mentions here. If it is not in this list, it's a dog water app.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Number five, Taco Bell.

[Marques Brownlee]

What?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. I don't actually use it that much.

[Marques Brownlee]

That good.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The app is actually pretty solid.

[Marques Brownlee]

You're not jaded by the restaurant?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I usually. I'm totally jaded by the restaurant, but

[David Pierce]

why are you jaded by the restaurant

[Andrew Manganelli]

or I'm shilling for the restaurant. Yeah, like I like this app because of the restaurant, of course. But Taco Bell has the most times that I want to add things onto like different items. And I am way too embarrassed to say that in the drive thru, therefore this is the app that I use. Out of all of them, I'm a plus. Potatoes, plus jalapenos, plus this, minus that, whatever. I ain't saying all that in the drive thru because there's no way it gets it right. App, dude, it's.

[Ellis Rowan]

It's the only fast food app that works 100 of the time. There's no upsell pop up like all other fast food restaurants. Their apps are like super so brutally just unusable. And I mean I say unusable from like the. I'm spoiled. Like it just. Things are kind of slow and choppy, but still it's like.

[David Pierce]

Or they Send you like 8,000 push notifications. Yeah, they all do.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm sure Taco Bell's does. It sends you notifications.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I disable notifications on every single app that.

[David Pierce]

I did that too.

[Ellis Rowan]

The McDonald's app, dude, like a fifth of the time it'll just only show you the breakfast menu and it's not breakfast time so you just can't order it. And it's like this should be the easiest thing to figure out as an app. What time is it? Not breakfast.

[David Pierce]

Why does any McDonald's only do breakfast between certain times?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know.

[Ellis Rowan]

I'm sorry, you really struck a chord here.

[Andrew Manganelli]

No, no. Well, Taco Bells has got to be easy because there's only essentially seven ingredients on the entire menu and it's just. It's just a different version of that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Can we talk about the Popeyes thing on the podcast?

[David Pierce]

No, don't. No, we don't want people to know about this.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, never mind.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I have no idea what they're talking about, but that's okay. Number four I don't use, but I'm going to hype it up anyways. Interesting Old school runescape app. This is a game that has been around for so long that is the most simple web browser game from like 2007. They relaunched it years ago. They're still updating this game. It has a huge user base and because it's so simple, it makes sense on an iPad or a phone. The other thing about it is it is the most grind intensive, time consuming AFK able game possible that being able to go on your computer and do different boss battles or quests or stuff that are more Intensive and then just woodcut to 99 on your phone without paying attention is perfect. Now you don't have to.

[David Pierce]

It's like having an extra job.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It basically is. But this lets Runescape people go outside because now you can still grind XP and touch this touch grass.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, very important.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Although I was also looking. This has like 5 million plus downloads on the Play Store. Oh, great rating. Except apparently like within the last month is the login's completely broken on Android, so Jagex, if you're listening, fix that for the homies out there. I still don't even play the game. I just watch a lot of content about it. But nice. The. The app seems awesome. Number three, Blip. Blip has changed everything we've done here. The amount of times I've had to pull stuff off of phones to then send to Marquez's Mac Pro to be like in a video or something. Blip has helped that so much.

[David Pierce]

Everyone's so hype on Blip, but nobody's ever blipped me anything. So why is this better than Airdrop again?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Can you explain cross platform?

[Marques Brownlee]

Cross platform, yeah, but there's faster, different works every time.

[Ellis Rowan]

You can blip someone somewhere across the country.

[David Pierce]

Oh, really?

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's all. It's not WI fi dependent. It's just. You just send it free.

[Ellis Rowan]

It checks to see if you're on the same nav network as someone and if you are, it just does like local, you know. But if you're not, it goes P2P over the Internet. So it's not. It's just dependent on your actual connections. Like you don't like. It's not like. Oh, Dropbox is a really slow server, so I'm. No, it's just 50 to 60 megabytes per second across the country.

[David Pierce]

Is there a file size limit?

[Ellis Rowan]

Not that I've found.

[David Pierce]

That's crazy.

[Ellis Rowan]

I blit myself the 10 gigabytes pod audio after every session.

[Marques Brownlee]

No file size limit.

[David Pierce]

That's crazy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Blip is awesome. I'm a Blip evangelist. Yeah, I'm full on Blip. If there's Blip merch, I'll buy Blip. No joke. Rufus really put us on that one.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's great.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Number two, Google Tasks, y'.

[Marques Brownlee]

All.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Change me.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Google Tasks may have like legitimately changed my life.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I. I will also argue that the simplicity of it has maybe helped me because I remember David Pierce. Which we should bring back on again. I know he mentioned that recently on like, Threads.

[David Pierce]

He wants to come back.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It sounds like he just wants to talk about productivity apps. That episode did great. So come join us David. But like being I just have to type it in every time at this point. A third of the time like I just do the task before it even pops up because I typed it in which like in my brain had me remember. Works great with that. It works great with just Android Auto being able to remind me do it in one hour when I get to work with all voice not hands off the wheel at all. Yeah it's changed my life.

[Adam Oram]

You saying that is going to end up at Google I o this year

[Andrew Manganelli]

no one at Andrew Manganelli changed my life. Next quote 128 gigabytes I will ruin you. Um and then my number one is the most niche one possible. But as a disc golf player. UDISC is exactly what I was talking about before of the free version of this app gives you 90% of the things to either find a disc golf course, record your score, do pretty much anything disc golf related. It is a super cheap sport anyone can do. If you want to find a course near you, it's on there. Um, my favorite thing about it is every year they release this giant post about how many people are playing in how many different countries. And it's essentially just so people can use that data to give to their local townships to build more disc golf courses. And if at any point you want to request the data, you can just reach out to them and do it to try and build more community building things. So people who run that app are great. The app itself is great. There. There's a $30 a year subscription if you want some like really premium things like getting it on my Garmin watch. Other than that, it's free. Great app.

[David Pierce]

Cool.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Very nice.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Play disc golf.

[Adam Oram]

I'll go next. So first two honorable mentions.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay.

[Adam Oram]

Specifically because I'm on Android now. So they're iOS only one of them being Flighty, like Marquez mentioned.

[David Pierce]

All right, I'll download it. All right, I'll download it.

[Adam Oram]

Flighty's great. There's a cross platform one by Air that's also really good, but it doesn't have the new Airport intelligence feature that Flighty just dropped that fire.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

So Flighty's. Flighty's goated. The other one is Gentler Streak, which was the fitness app that I was using on Apple with my Apple Watch Ultra. It was awesome. Miss it. But now I'm on Android so it is what it is. But number five for me is kwgt, which is like a widget app on Android. It's been around for a minute. And that thing, I've customized so many home screens, it lets you. You do basically.

[David Pierce]

Wait, what is it called?

[Adam Oram]

Powerful kwgte.

[David Pierce]

What does it stand for?

[Adam Oram]

Great question. No idea.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's K widget.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Custom widget maker but with a K. Custom. Yeah.

[David Pierce]

I've never heard of that.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[Andrew Manganelli]

If you.

[Adam Oram]

Well, whenever you get back on Android, David Mr. IPhone only over there download it. It's really cool. It's a little confusing. There's like a little learning curve. But there's such a good community behind it where you could just like import widgets that other people made and it's awesome.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's most of what I did. Like there's some incredibly complex widgets where I'd import, import it and I'd be like, what if I just tweak this other and I break it? I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna do this.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It was fine.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

Number four is Duolingo. Just because even though I still suck at speaking other languages, it's just, it changed everything. Like gamifying apps started, I think because of duolingo. The widget is awesome.

[Marques Brownlee]

It.

[Adam Oram]

What happened? Andrew, you look like you're about to

[Andrew Manganelli]

say I thought you said dual like D U A lingo or no, no D E U lingo. And I was like, do they have like a battle royale version of this?

[Adam Oram]

I can't speak English because like it's funny. Speaking about lang absent.

[Andrew Manganelli]

No, but if you're gamifying languages, they should make a foreign language battle royale

[Marques Brownlee]

game where dual lingo.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Dual. Dual lingo.

[David Pierce]

Dual lingo.

[Adam Oram]

It's time to duel. You just have to like that other people.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I know that green owl is listening. Send it.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah, their, their whole team is killing it with the marketing. So number three is an app that I just found and it's already in like my top all time. It's called Stellarium. It's having like a moment on TikTok basically. But it is a, you know those old apps that uses like the accelerometer on the phone and stuff to like see the stars and stuff like that. Yeah, it lets you zoom in. And I immediately paid for the pro version because you get high version high res images of planets and stars and stuff. So as you look around you can zoom in on planets and see actual like images. It's super dope.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Did you Download this Like 2 weeks ago when we were talking about it getting water? Oh, no, no, no.

[Adam Oram]

I downloaded it like two weeks ago because I was seeing someone on. It was going viral like on TikTok or something, and someone was like zooming into a picture and I was like, what the hell? And then I checked the comments, they were like, yeah, this isn't a telescope, this is an app. And I immediately downloaded it there.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just googled it. And their web app is unbelievable.

[Adam Oram]

Oh, I didn't even know they had

[Andrew Manganelli]

a web Apple web app. Do I lift my computer up into the sky?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, he just. But I found a starlink that would be crazy wild. Okay, that's good.

[Adam Oram]

My number two app is an app called storygraph, which is basically Goodreads from Amazon, but by an independent maker. Super awesome app. They have a lot of good features that Goodreads doesn't have because Goodreads got purchased by Amazon and Amazon forgot it existed and just hasn't done anything with it for a decade. So Goodreads I think is the one that everyone uses just because of the social graph effect and everything, but highly recommend getting on storygraph. Jess, my fiance has found so many great books because their recommendation algorithm is just amazing. And my number one app is Obsidian because I'm a big note taker guy. And Obsidian is super complex and super like, you can do a lot with it. It is like a local first only note taking app for desktop and Android and iOS and all this stuff. But I'm surprised at how much I get on my phone for things that I thought would like not look right or like not format correctly or something like that. Because I used to be an Android, I mean Android, Apple Notes or Samsung Notes guy, but obviously they're locked into an ecosystem. I'm trying to like pick apps that go between everything and I use the, I think it's called Forever Notes, which is like an Apple Notes taking system that lets you link between notes to make Apple Notes way more powerful. It's a whole thing. But I've replicated that in Obsidian. So now basically everything that I need in my life is in Obsidian. So I use Obsidian all the time and I'm always surprised at how much I'm actually able to do on it, especially in Dex mode,

[David Pierce]

you know.

[Adam Oram]

And now the moments you've all been waiting for. Top apps from A1 Mr. Ellis Rowan.

[Ellis Rowan]

All right, so guys, as you know, for a long time, iPhone 12 mini, I couldn't install apps on it. December 2025, I get a new phone. So I've been using apps now for three months.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is huge.

[David Pierce]

Okay.

[Ellis Rowan]

I have a Few honorable mentions. Because I have very fond memories of apps I used in my childhood on the ipod Touch. Just because I feel like that was like a really golden era of like, weird thinky apps. Like the beer app when we were backstage. Well, I was.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

So the beer app. Because I was gonna bring up back being backstage at. At south by Southwest. I installed the beer app on the office iPad and chugged giant beers in front of all you guys. And you laughed.

[David Pierce]

Another.

[Ellis Rowan]

Another honorable mention for me that I don't think is still in the app store. And if it is, it's like a shell of its former self. Do you guys remember Urban Spoon?

[Adam Oram]

Oh, yeah.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

I loved Urban Spoon.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This is a restaurant. I went to one or no.

[Ellis Rowan]

Urban Spoon was a restaurant slot machine where you entered in how much money you wanted to spend.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It would go, what?

[Ellis Rowan]

And then it would give you a restaurant near you, and you'd be like, that's where I eat.

[David Pierce]

I guess my nightmare. That reminds me, do you know the app Too Good to Go?

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

Yeah. Too Good to Go is kind of like that too. It just tells you the restaurants that are closing and they'll get rid of. They'll just be getting rid of stuff. And you can get, like, really big meals for $7, or you can get miso soup for $7.

[Adam Oram]

It's.

[Marques Brownlee]

They.

[David Pierce]

You don't know what they're going to give you. It's very random.

[Ellis Rowan]

Okay. But Ellis's top five, are you ready?

[David Pierce]

I'm ready. Yep.

[Ellis Rowan]

Number five, Blip. No, I did not include Blip on here, even though it's just phenomenal. But number five, Discogs. It's number five because please integrate the blog posts with the app. I hate that when I click on a blog post, it opens my browser.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, what is it?

[Ellis Rowan]

Discogs is like Goodreads slash Letterbox, but for music.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

So, like, you can keep track, but it's a few other things. Like, so you can like, log your record collection. And then also there's like an ebay style buying and selling platform built into it. So, like, you can see someone's collection if they. And then they can list something as like, you know, I'm okay getting rid of this. And then you mentioned message them like, I'll buy this or I'll trade this. And then you can do it all in the app. It's very cool. And then there's also like an actual, like, publication side where they have. Anyone can upload a blog post and then they have like, staff writers that write about music.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Ellis Rowan]

Articles are very good. They're very fun to read. They're very interesting.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I just remember one time you came up to me. This is the only time I've ever heard of it. You're like, I'm so amped right now. It's like, why are you like. I uploaded an album, and it was the first one ever uploaded on this.

[Ellis Rowan]

That was a big day for me when. When. When I bought an album that was so rare. No one had had logged it on Discogs before. So I got to scan everything and, like, upload the track listing and spend, like, an hour of my day being the guy. All right, number four. This is another app that I don't know if it's still in the App Store, and if it is, you absolutely should not buy it, because it is the biggest, biggest privacy boo boo of all time. It's called Fog of World, and it was this early iOS app that would just destroy your phone's battery by leaving location on all the time. This is so early in iOS, that location was not, like, on all the time. And essentially, it was like a big map, and it would just like. That would be blank, like, or, like, whited out. And then as you would go around, like an rts. Yeah, it would. And then so you could see every single place you've ever been. And if you travel a lot, like I, for some reason, is doing as a teenager, you could, like, you zoom out to see the whole world and you see all these stripes, because you could. Because if you were like me and you, you said, I don't care about your rules. You would leave your phone off of air, like, not on airplane mode, on flights, and you get these big stripes across the country. And then there was, like, there was achievements for, like, all the states and countries you visited. And, like, it would keep track of the total, like, square mileage that you've covered and, like, percent of the world that you've seen.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is a goated idea, but the app cannot be top five if you're

[Ellis Rowan]

just leaving your location goated aspirationally in practice, like, nightmare. Utter, utter nightmare.

[David Pierce]

How would this work on your iPhone? 12 mini.

[Ellis Rowan]

Don't. Don't get this app. Don't get this app unless you want the Chinese government to know every single thing about you. Okay, number three. Number three. Seesaw.

[Marques Brownlee]

Seesaw.

[Ellis Rowan]

Number three is seesaw. Seesaw is like a. It's for galleries in New York City. I don't know. You can see all the art that's on display in New York.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's.

[Ellis Rowan]

It why is it called Seesaw? Like, you see it and then after you see it, you saw it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Got it. Like Reddit. I get it.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, yeah, I read it on Reddit.

[Ellis Rowan]

I'm quite fond of.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You check off things you've seen.

[Ellis Rowan]

No, it doesn't do that much. It shows you galleries and a map and it shows you galleries in a list. I like the logo and that's all it needs to do. I like apps that do one thing and do it really well. Number two, I have to reopen my list because I can't remember. Oh, number two, the Moment Pro camera.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

Which I am legally required to disclose. They gave me for free. I didn't pay for it.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true.

[Ellis Rowan]

So if. I don't know if I'd feel differently about it if I did pay for it, but this was not something that I just happened to stumble upon. This was moment saying, ellis, here's a code. You have the app for free. I like the mo. I didn't like the Moment Pro camera. In fact, when I first downloaded, I said, ew, stinky.

[David Pierce]

To be clear, this is our second.

[Ellis Rowan]

This is moment pro gamer 2.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, this is much better.

[Ellis Rowan]

But then, but then they launched an update where you could save profiles, which is like. It like saves literally every single setting in the thing. David, I'm airdropping you a photo I took.

[David Pierce]

Why are you not blipping it?

[Ellis Rowan]

Because I can't find you on blip.

[David Pierce]

I can tell you.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Is this one time payment or.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, it's a one time payment.

[Andrew Manganelli]

$10. One time payment. Listen, if you do the Google rewards thing, what's it called again? Opinion, you could pay for this. Just load up.

[Ellis Rowan]

Let me tell you the reason I like Moment Pro came. Wait, before you describe the photograph, is

[David Pierce]

it straight out camera?

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah. I love Moment Pro camera because I think the iPhone camera, the iPhone 17 Pro camera, forced to be between 640 and 800 ISO is one of the most pleasing things in the world. It like flattens everything. There's very little dynamic range. There's a nice amount of grain.

[David Pierce]

Almost gives it like a halftone effect.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yes. So, David, is the picture I sent you dope as hell?

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

And the number one app in the app store, the one app I think every single person on planet earth should download onto their phone yesterday. Right. Universal. Universally applicable to all human beings.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I hope it's Taco Bell.

[David Pierce]

It's gonna be imessage or something.

[Ellis Rowan]

The Brooklyn Public Library app. Dude, it just works. It just works. Nothing takes any time at all. If you live in Timbuktu. Get a Brooklyn Library card.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Really?

[David Pierce]

You do that?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Can you get a library card online or something? Yeah, right. That's the lazy part of Libby, is I haven't gone to the library to actually get the.

[Ellis Rowan]

Well, at least with the Brooklyn Public Library, you need to go to the library. But other libraries. Anyway, this is all to say, dude, the other day I was like, oh, my God, I think I need to give my library book back. And I opened the app, and within 10 seconds, I saw I have three more days. I hit the renew button in zero seconds. After hitting the renew, I had 30 more days. Why are all apps not as good as the thing that costs zero money? The library? I just don't. Anyway, Brooklyn Public Library, back end and front end app team. Boy, you're just crushing it.

[David Pierce]

What do they call it? Bk? L, Y, N. It's, like, not catchy. It's not saving that many letters.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's like WS saving a lot of you say less.

[Ellis Rowan]

It's literally saving five.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, it's not that many.

[Ellis Rowan]

That's a lot. It's more than half.

[Andrew Manganelli]

For an app icon. That's actually. They should have called a lot of real estate.

[David Pierce]

They should call it Bookland Public Library

[Andrew Manganelli]

or just Bookland.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, just Bookland.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

But how would you know it's a public. What if it was a private library?

[Andrew Manganelli]

It says book. Oh, because you can download.

[David Pierce]

You could call that Bookland Public Library. Or just put the R in parentheses.

[Ellis Rowan]

Anyway, that's Ellis's. As someone who is brand new to the world of apps.

[David Pierce]

Nice.

[Ellis Rowan]

Also, let me know what LUTS I should be getting for Moment Pro Cam, because I'm starting to play around with lut.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess. Then, without any further ado, everyone's number one app.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Trivia.

[Marques Brownlee]

Trivia.

[David Pierce]

Oh, yes.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It took longer for that music to go in than Brooklyn Public Library app did.

[Adam Oram]

Bklyn, biggest news of the week for humanity is we are sending people to the moon today.

[David Pierce]

That's true. We're sending them around.

[Adam Oram]

Around the moon. They're going around the moon. They will be the furthest that humans have ever been away from Earth. Isn't that crazy?

[Ellis Rowan]

I'm scared, Marquez. You could still say you went to Niagara Falls if you didn't jump in the water.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, but that's different because people have actually been on the moon.

[David Pierce]

Did Katy Perry go to space?

[Adam Oram]

Oh, good question.

[Marques Brownlee]

The definition is.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah, we're gonna have to wait till Artemis 4 for people on the moon.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, we're sending people around the moon.

[Adam Oram]

Sending people around the moon. They're gonna slingshot around Earth, go back to the moon, slingshot around the moon, come back home. It's gonna be awesome. You listening to this? Already know how the launch went. Today is April 1. At the time of recording, we are, we are waiting for the.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait. When does it launches? Today.

[Adam Oram]

It launches today.

[Marques Brownlee]

Later today at 7:00pm how are we supposed to get a te roadster announcement today?

[Ellis Rowan]

How much astrophage do they use to

[David Pierce]

get to the moon?

[Adam Oram]

Two billion pounds. Okay, but the question is of Kit Kats.

[David Pierce]

Sorry, continue.

[Adam Oram]

Artemis 2 mission. That's what it is. It's the Artemis 2 mission. Okay, but did you know that in Greek mythology Artemis has a twin brother named what?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know Greek mythology very well.

[Ellis Rowan]

Oh wait, I think I know this.

[Adam Oram]

Sophies, you should know this.

[Marques Brownlee]

So this is a Greek mythology question.

[Ellis Rowan]

Nah, wrong.

[Adam Oram]

Wait, it is, but it isn't. That's your hint.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which probably has ties to some other NASA related space program. Probably. Either way, if you know it, you already know it. If you don't, you'll find out the end just like the rest of us. We'll be right back.

[David Pierce]

Welcome back. Okay, we got a couple of little quick stories for you guys. There was some fairly big news. It could be big news to you or it could be just like a nothing burger news to you.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's too big.

[David Pierce]

You know the amount of KitKats that were stolen on the road this week? Okay, so the news is that Apple is opening up Swift as a programming language for Android, which is fairly big. Maybe. I asked a friend of the show, Christian Selig, about this famous developer for many different apps including Apollo for Reddit, which is no longer available and he said I don't think you can use it for UI yet, can you? So kind of eh, being able to write general algorithmic stuff in the same across iOS and Android is cool. But until you can do the whole thing in Swift, I don't know if it's going to bring over many iOS developers, for instance, especially if I just am able to blast through Kotlin with modern LLMs has. Yeah, this is a text so it's kind of complicated if just being able to blast through Kotlin with modern LLMs hasn't done it for people for whatever reason. So I guess what he's saying is like Kotlin is just so standard now and you can use modern LLMs to code things that like Swift is not that big of a deal. So maybe it's not a big Deal.

[Adam Oram]

I guess if you just, like, tell Claude, which just got leaked, but if you tell Claude to, like, look at this Kotlin code and make a. Make it Swift, maybe that's what he means. Like, does that. Does it work?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I. I guess I refuse to mention anything about software engineering because I don't want to get yelled at.

[David Pierce]

That's fair.

[Marques Brownlee]

I. Yeah.

[David Pierce]

If you think this was a big deal, let us know.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I ain't reading all that. Congratulations or sorry that happened.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, it's funny because Swift used to sort of be the, like, oh, we're just making our iOS apps in Swift and, like, we can't. I'm sorry, we only have an iOS app because we can't port it to Android. Whatever. And so now you have less of a reason not to, I suppose.

[Marques Brownlee]

But I'm just like, what's their angle?

[Ellis Rowan]

I don't quite understand. But also, like, I thought one of the big selling points of Swift is how easy it plugs into the Apple APIs, which give you hardware access. So, like, how does.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, and that's probably why it's not as big of a deal.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, like, can you port over something that is using, like, the Face ID API?

[David Pierce]

Or, like, you'd probably have to configure that separately.

[Ellis Rowan]

You have to be like, Claude.

[David Pierce]

Yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, we were thinking, what was the. The meta one where you can code for both in it. React Native.

[Adam Oram]

React Native.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

And a lot of people, like, don't like React Native, so I think Add Apple maybe saw an opportunity there. But like Christian said, if you can just, you know, vibe code through Kotlin, then it's whatever, so. Just wanted to mention that I think

[Adam Oram]

this would have been cooler, like, two years ago.

[David Pierce]

Yeah, two years ago.

[Adam Oram]

Like, now it. I feel like they just had this waiting, and then now that everyone just does it with AI anyway, they're like, okay, sure, release it. Like, who cares?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

All right, Andrew.

[Andrew Manganelli]

All right. I'm about to crash out.

[David Pierce]

I'm ready.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Not really. Okay. If you know about Whoops, we've talked about it on this podcast before.

[David Pierce]

There it is.

[Adam Oram]

Nice.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There it is. I like your big whoop. Who cares? Whoever added that was me. Yeah, Big whoop.

[David Pierce]

What?

[Ellis Rowan]

That was straight up me.

[David Pierce]

No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't.

[Ellis Rowan]

Look at the document history I just typed.

[David Pierce]

Oh, you typed it in Slack three days ago.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, well, I tweeted that six years ago, actually.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. Okay. Whoop. Just announced that they just got valuated at $10.1 billion, which is three times more than the previous valuation.

[David Pierce]

That's a lot of money.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That is a big fake number.

[David Pierce]

Big whoop.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Listen, I've used a bunch of wearables. My stupid bed tracks my sleep. I pay attention to all sorts of different activity trackers. I've been down this rabbit hole and the more I think about Whoops.

[Adam Oram]

Whoop.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The more I can't just not think. Whoop is a marketing company and not really an activity tracker company. And I just. I don't know. Everyone's always like, oh, my.

[Marques Brownlee]

Whoop.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's so cool. It has the best statistics ever. And it's so much better than all the other ones. Which just reminds me of all the people who have Mac and are like, oh, Mac is so much easier than Windows. That's why I bought it. Which just feels like something they marketed really well. And now you believe that. And true, there are probably some really niche people who like the Whoops. I know some people like it because they like to wear a regular watch. But the fact that this stupid little tracker one has a notification motor but can't notify me when I get actual notifications sounds wild. It can't tell me the time. And this, if you want Whoop 5.0 is somewhere between $239 and $359 a year, depending on what features you want. And you aren't paying monthly, you have to pay yearly. So at a certain point, this just feels like the Planet Fitness, like, scam, scam pretty much like. Yeah, it feels like they're just doing the Planet Fitness thing where it's like you pay up front for a year and you lock into a year contract. And then they hope you basically just forget about it after you submit.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was the Blip sound.

[David Pierce]

I have it on my computer.

[Marques Brownlee]

I happen to know that that's the blip sound.

[Andrew Manganelli]

David.

[Ellis Rowan]

David blipped the computer that's recording the waveform.

[David Pierce]

Sorry.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's happened so many times on. This

[David Pierce]

is a nice sound, though, I gotta say.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, a big reason they're probably at this evaluation right now is because they just became a perk on Chase Sapphire, which is like one of the most popular credit cards in the country. Which means I'm sure thousands of thousands of people went, oh, I get a free Whoop membership. I'm going to sign up and then put that in a drawer one month later and never think about it again.

[David Pierce]

You get one year.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You get a year because you have to sign up for a year. So you get a year. For free.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I mean a ton of people on Twitter were saying this. I've seen this so many times. I think activity trackers. I don't know about you all, but the second most popular question I get about different like consumer technology after phones is an activity tracker. They're super popular now. Garmin's Apple watches. Whoops. I get asked about all the time and every single person that has ever asked me about it and bought one has given up with it within two months. I mean it's a small. That's anecdotal evidence. But. But I don't know. I hate these stupid things. I might be the number one Whoop

[David Pierce]

hater, but I have a hot take.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

A lot of people are like, oh, I don't need much for my activity tracker. I just need to track my steps. Your phone already does that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

Why do you need to. You don't need the other stuff.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Here's my thing about whoop though is if you want to. The thing I use on my Garmin the most is in the gym. I just have like the heart rate level, you know, like levels one through five. And that's what I look the most at.

[Marques Brownlee]

Zone.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Because the zones. Yeah. Thank you. Whoop. You can't see any of this stuff unless your phone is out at the gym because you all. It's no screen. Everything you have to track on your screen.

[Adam Oram]

You have to put workouts on your benefit.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I want to put my phone down in the gym.

[Adam Oram]

No, but you can work out without looking at any screens. Like that's why I like.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I know but I like looking at my heart rate zones in the middle. Like that's how I time my workouts.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is depending workout you're doing.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Do a lift or do a. I used to do when I was climbing. It's like do it. Heart rate up, wait for heart rate to go down. No, I'm ready for the next time. And I'm like properly rested in between.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Adam Oram]

But a lot of the thing that Whoop does differently and. Or at least used to because now everyone has this. But it used to be recovery. That was their thing.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Exactly.

[Adam Oram]

You work out. You have the watch on the other wrist.

[David Pierce]

Whatever body battery and.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

And Garmin's body batteries.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Do you know what has it athletic for $2 a month.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah, athletic.

[Andrew Manganelli]

And it's like almost one to one replica of it. So I don't know. And first of all, all of these things are toys. None of these are really that important. Listen to our episode with Dr. Mike, about activity trackers. It's. I am fully in for of turning health into a game. And if that helps you be healthy, be healthy, that's great. But there's so many better options than these stupid whoop bands. They're not comfortable either. They're really annoying to have this big plastic.

[Marques Brownlee]

But there are,

[Andrew Manganelli]

there are some other ones I haven't gotten to try. There's another one. I forgot what it's called. It's like 100 bucks, no subscription. It looks exactly like a whoop.

[Marques Brownlee]

They've just dominated that exact space of like. Well, there's a bunch of different. There's like the people like the rings, the Oura rings and all those. And then there's all the competitors to that, which is just like, I want a minimal thing. Then there's the small band with no screen, which they've dominated. But there's also Fitbits and there's other things that do that. And they have the most customers and maybe the most data and maybe the most accuracy. Who knows? Then you have the thing with a screen from the Garmin watch, the Apple watch, and then people want to be able to look at their heart rate while they're working out. That's a space dominated by one player. And so there's a bunch of different versions of these. The $10 billion, I don't even know. I don't really care about the $10 billion. But it is interesting that all I really use it for, and this is someone who actively trains and constantly looks at the data is to gamify and try to make sure I hit certain metrics or hit certain numbers. The whole thing we talk about with Dr. Mike is it might tell you you didn't hit your number or, you know, oh, you got a bad sleep score today. So you start to feel worse because you saw the number was worse and then that's a whole cycle that you spiral into. That's not ideal. But yeah, I think whoop is like, I don't know how else to. It's like the default for. I just want. It's either that or Fitbit. I just want a fitness tracker that can tell me at the end of the day if I did enough and if I should be feeling better the next day.

[Ellis Rowan]

I think I agree with Andrew because I do think there's a part of the whoop ethos. I don't know if it was like this at the beginning, but it's definitely like this now. Just because so many big time CEOs and celebrities who feel like they can't be seen with a smartwatch either for like PR reasons or like they don't want to be seen as endorsing the specific company reasons. Like choose Whoop as their fitness tracker. Like, like, if you. I feel like I. Especially at South By, I feel like whenever I saw either a picture or like some sort of famous person, they were all wearing Whoops. I think it is sort of a thought of as like the. If you're at a certain status level. Yeah, Whoop is the only option really.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Their endorsements of athletes are just.

[Ellis Rowan]

I can't it. It Marquez. Do you know like Equinox?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

I was literally just going to make.

[Ellis Rowan]

I would associate Whoop with like the Equinox crowd where it's like, is that

[Marques Brownlee]

because it's way more expensive than Fitbit or.

[Ellis Rowan]

I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. It's. It's because it's, it's the high price point option. And then it's just because it's associated with this level of prestige where I can't be seen with a, with a clearly branded product. And I know at this point Whoop is a clearly branded product, but at the same time it's, it's sort of an unbranded product in the sense that there are. There are pretty much no identifying details. So I do think if you're the kind of person who wants to be thought of as part of the CEO high prestige crowd is now it's a

[David Pierce]

status thing for sure. It's like I care about the absolute minutia of metrics about my body and I'm going to push it to the

[Andrew Manganelli]

extreme and I don't think it gives any extra information.

[David Pierce]

And it's like any other thing, but their marketing has.

[Ellis Rowan]

It's also totally an if you know, you know, product. You know what I mean? Like, I, I totally think it's. It's a marketing.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think. I just think the yearly. It used to be worse. It used. Well, I guess you would get discounts, but like you sign up for two or three years at a time. It just feels predatory at this point. It is definitely doing the Planet Fitness model of like, hey, look, here's a time in your life right now. You want to be healthy, Buy this thing and then realize a month into it, like, I don't care if you give up because I already got a year's worth of your money out of it.

[Ellis Rowan]

You're freaking me out because I was gonna sign up for Planet Fitness today and now you're making me feel like I maybe shouldn't. We'll talk after that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The hardest thing about Planet Fitness is canceling it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I would say I wouldn't want to like shun people away from fitness tracking and like trying to do. There's a lot of people who are looking to take a first step in fitness who don't really know where to start. And this is a thing. It's one of the many things that you can try that can give you some information that you don't know before. Like you have your phone in your pocket that can tell you your steps. I have no idea what my heart rate is until I'm wearing a wearable. There's a ton of choices. This is one of them.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then it's just all positioning, like. Yeah, they're gonna have ads with celebrities. I think oura ring kind of does some of the same stuff. You literally have a gold ring on, which is like this unbranded thing. So there's different positioning moves. I'm not not as familiar with whoop because I don't use one and I don't know which metrics they're showing. I assume they're at least decently accurate because they're not getting claimed for accuracy. But yeah, I have an Apple Watch and I follow maybe five or six of the metrics and I know they're not accurate. I've done the step counting things and I know they're not accurate. I've done the heart rate stuff. I know the Carly counters are inaccurate, but it's just something to have to focus on Gamify and then get in that world. And if you can get one that's not hundreds of dollars a year with a mandatory 12 month subscription, that's probably ideal.

[David Pierce]

Speaking of which, breaking news two hours ago. Fitbit is going to be launching a whoop like product that does not have a screen. Two hours ago. It is April Fool's Day. Well, sure, but Steph Curry put out a video where he is wearing a band without a screen on it. And he says he describes it as a first of its kind product before saying that he doesn't want to spoil what it is.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's definitely not first of its kind because we brought it up based on something else, which is fine.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

Selfishly, I'm just hyped for this because I like wearing real watches and that means that I can't wear an.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You're trying to say Garmin watches.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is not real.

[Adam Oram]

I mean, it tells time, so it's Real.

[David Pierce]

You know what?

[Adam Oram]

I like wearing actual watches.

[David Pierce]

You know what they need to make? They need to make whoop. But it's just a. It's just the band for an actual watch.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There's. Alex saw something the other day that's essentially a puck that would go under your normal watch and.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

Oh, yeah.

[David Pierce]

Specifically for Casios.

[Adam Oram]

Yeah.

[David Pierce]

But I want, like, if. If the band of your watch was basically a whoop and it. It got the information from, like, below your wrist or whatever.

[Adam Oram]

I think I've seen something like that.

[David Pierce]

And then you could wear it on whatever.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Is that the best place to get the information, though?

[Adam Oram]

Yeah, but I also wouldn't want to, like, wear my actual watch in the gym, you know, like, or to sleep, because I like bigger watches. Usually I like the whoop. And now this new Fitbit thing. Like, the reason I've been liking these bands is because I can wear them on the other wrist and just forget about them. And they have such crazy battery life. I don't have to think about them.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I've gotten to the point where I mostly only like looking at heart rate zones and getting my notifications on it because I just don't like my phone ever vibrating or doing anything. I'm so close to just giving up on a smartwatch, but then I have to change my phone more often.

[Ellis Rowan]

I do it for.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Or look at my phone more often.

[Ellis Rowan]

I do it for the exact same things, like, or heart rate and then like a timer. Like, if I'm doing like a plank. I like that, you know? But I'm right there with you. Like, the only time, literally the only time I ever go back and check my recorded data is to find out how many days did I work out this week, which I could literally do with a fridge and a marker.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or your brain. A lot of it is I. I usually frame it as it's all comparative. So, like, I know that the calorie count in the Apple watch is not accurate, but if I want to know if my workout today was actually harder than the workout I did last week, I can see if it was a higher or lower number. That's, like, kind of as much as I can get out of it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

My issue is the whoop. People will be like, no. Everything in this is gospel. It feels like I've seen some people on online talking about whooping. Like, this is the most accurate. This is so much better than everything else with zero sources or real information based on that. Just, like, I'm better than you, therefore, this better. I don't know, there's probably people out there who love Whoop. There's. Again, I don't want to vilify this as like, if this is what helps you work out, do it. Who cares what that price is? But yeah, I don't like Whoop.

[David Pierce]

Sorry.

[Andrew Manganelli]

10 mil. 10 billion, my butt. Stock market's fake. What? Open AI just got.

[David Pierce]

I think Whoop should give a $10 billion investment to OpenAI, who then can give it to Nvidia, who then can give it to Oracle, who then gave it to Whoop.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rowan]

I have an announcement.

[Marques Brownlee]

What?

[Ellis Rowan]

I am pledging $50 billion to OpenAI over the next 50 years.

[David Pierce]

And it's intent. Buying intent, right?

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, no, this is just. This is the speculative intent.

[David Pierce]

Intent.

[Ellis Rowan]

It's part of an investment package called the Pinky Pro Promise. Oh, wait, no, that's actually serious.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you can't break that.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Pierce]

That's illegally binding.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah, yeah. It's also. It is April 1st.

[David Pierce]

Oh, right. True.

[Ellis Rowan]

That's my.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Now when this comes out.

[Ellis Rowan]

This is so bad.

[David Pierce]

Well, RAM prices are actually collapsing right now. And the reason is because everyone thought that OpenAI had purchased 40% of the world's ram supply for 2026. Turns out no. Sam Altman just signed an intent to purchase, which is not actually a legally binding thing. And then OpenAI is like, actually, we don't need the RAM. And so now RAM prices are crashing. Thank God. We can finally have our Steam deck at a reasonable Steam box at a regional price.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Maybe they'll keep the same price, make more money on it.

[David Pierce]

They have actually reduced the prices of RAM quite a bit. They've crashed a lot. It's pretty awesome.

[Marques Brownlee]

Rare Good news. Very good news. Very nice.

[Ellis Rowan]

But you know what hasn't crashed and remains at an all time high?

[David Pierce]

Trivia. I don't know how that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not my trivia points.

[Andrew Manganelli]

My points have been crashing over the last three months.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, they've been steady.

[Andrew Manganelli]

They've been steady. That's the problem.

[Marques Brownlee]

They haven't gone up at all. But that's fine.

[Ellis Rowan]

Guys, which iPhone was left at a bar and subsequently leaked by Gizmodo?

[David Pierce]

What do you think, Andrew?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't want to give you guys the answers.

[Marques Brownlee]

Why am I second guessing myself?

[David Pierce]

You sure you really should not second guess yourself?

[Marques Brownlee]

Pretty sure.

[Andrew Manganelli]

This would be pretty embarrassing. It would be just gonna throw it out there.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't think anyone would be able to take you seriously if you got this wrong.

[Ellis Rowan]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, that's what I like to see. Okay.

[Ellis Rowan]

Wrote the same thing. So would you like to read the answer at the same time? One, two, three.

[Marques Brownlee]

IPhone four.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, David wrote sour.

[David Pierce]

I wrote incursive.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a four.

[Ellis Rowan]

It was, in fact the iPhone four,

[Marques Brownlee]

but I had a moment where I was like, is it the 4s? Nah. But no, it was the new.

[David Pierce]

Because it was huge design.

[Marques Brownlee]

New design.

[Ellis Rowan]

Yeah. IPhone 4 was the one where they changed the outside, and iPhone 4S was the one where the inside. Inside sort of became the tik tok. The modern iPhone on the clock. I'm going to do this score update this time. But, Adam, did you already give them that point?

[David Pierce]

Oracle or Oracle Marquez?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Ellis Rowan]

Caboosen it with 20 points. Cooking Andrew, smack dab in the middle. Sammy Nesto, tune, 21 points. David. King David. Biblical King David.

[David Pierce]

Didn't he get his head chopped off or something?

[Ellis Rowan]

I don't think so.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, don't Google it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That was our list.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just revel in the mystery of whether he might have gotten his head chopped off or not.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Pandora's head.

[Ellis Rowan]

No, Schrodinger's head.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Schrodinger's head.

[Ellis Rowan]

24 points.

[Andrew Manganelli]

How am I smack dab in the middle? Because you're in between them, but not smack dab.

[Marques Brownlee]

You're technically the median.

[David Pierce]

You are technically.

[Ellis Rowan]

You're a point and a half away. I'll give you a point and a half right now. So you're smack dab middle. I'm just kidding. April fool. All right, here's Adam for the space question.

[Adam Oram]

Artemis has a twin brother named what? Go.

[Ellis Rowan]

Fun fact, guys. The mission is called Artemis because they're not. They're gonna do, like, the gravity assist. Like, they're not landing the moon. So there are. They're going to miss.

[David Pierce]

Are they going to miss.

[Ellis Rowan]

That's why they called it that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't even know enough of these names to just guess on this one. No, that's the rock guy.

[Adam Oram]

Dwayne. The Dwayne.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Dwayne. I don't know it Read.

[Adam Oram]

What do you got?

[Marques Brownlee]

The story I wrote, Discovery.

[Ellis Rowan]

That doesn't sound great to me.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, it does.

[Adam Oram]

That is not it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I wrote Zeus.

[Adam Oram]

At least it's Greek.

[David Pierce]

I'm probably wrong.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Is it all right. Yeah,

[David Pierce]

yeah.

[Adam Oram]

Wrong Guys.

[David Pierce]

Twins.

[Adam Oram]

The Apollo.

[David Pierce]

Damn. It was right there. I should have had that. It's really right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Much as I know, like about Apollo.

[Adam Oram]

I'm so glad I got to watch your reaction when you got that wrong. Wrong. Because I knew it would piss you off.

[Ellis Rowan]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow. Well, you know, another learning experience on the pod.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, Apollo Twin. Can we call.

[David Pierce]

I got Apollo Twin.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Can we call it Artemis then? Is your.

[David Pierce]

Apollo's twin?

[Marques Brownlee]

Is Artemis.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Why can't I. Is your universal audio interface? Actually, it's called Apollo Twin.

[David Pierce]

Which.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Which is Artemis.

[Marques Brownlee]

The Artemis.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's. Wow, that's crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

I hate that. Well, now we know. I'm gonna study up on Greek mythology for next week's trivia just in case. But hey, leave your comments on why. Who had the best top five apps list. I wanna know in the comments section. Now that you made it this far, you've heard all of our top five apps lists. Who had the best list? Comment below.

[Adam Oram]

And why was it me?

[David Pierce]

It's probably Adam.

[Marques Brownlee]

Adam. Yeah. Thanks for watching. Catch you guys next week in April. Peace.

[David Pierce]

Bye.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Waveform is produced by Adam Malin and Ellis Riven, a partner of Odd Vox Media podcast network and a draw True Music was created by Vain Sill. Quick pickup.

[David Pierce]

Yeah.

[Adam Oram]

Twin brother. There we go.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

How are you trivia this week, Twin brother?

[David Pierce]

How you gonna cut that?

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, it's all up here.

[David Pierce]

Oh, I think I know.