Pixel 10 Leak Shows it Has Three Cameras?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: Pixel 10 Leak Shows it Has Three Cameras?
Date: July 25, 2025
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Ellis Rover
Network: Vox Media Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, the Waveform crew dives deep into fresh Google Pixel 10 leaks that show a base model with three cameras, causing speculation about Google’s product lineup. They also cover Apple's new AppleCare One plan, changes to Google Tasks and Keep, a new CMF Watch 3 Pro, the Essential brand’s unexpected return, and the gaming hit Donkey Kong Bonanza. The show wraps with the monthly Crown or Clown segment, trivia, and an exploration into the world of lobsters. As always, the hosts keep the discussion witty, insightful, and relatable for tech enthusiasts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. FBI Escobar Phone Scam Update ([02:10] – [05:50])

• Marques provides the final update on the infamous Escobar folding phone scam, where a Galaxy Fold knockoff was sold to consumers, who then never received the product.
• The FBI concluded the case. The main perpetrator, "Olaf," pleaded guilty to multiple fraud counts, facing millions in fines and up to 20+ years per count in federal prison.
  • "Good news is that he won't be doing this again. He won't be scamming people again." — Marques ([02:59])
• Quick reflection on how absurdity sometimes enables scams: "Part of how absurd it was was part of the reason some people got scammed... maybe he's just selling refurbished ones for $500, and they think they get the leg up." — Andrew ([04:41])

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2. AppleCare One Subscription Plan ([05:54] – [12:17])

• Apple introduces AppleCare One: $20/month, covers up to three devices, additional devices cost $6 each.
• Benefits: Unlimited accidental damage repairs, 24/7 support, covers products up to four years old (limited-time promo, with health checks to prevent insurance fraud).
• Discussion about cost efficiency and family usability.
  • "You're going to save money." — David, responding to whether the plan covers multiple iPhones ([08:42])
• Apple is shifting further towards monetizing services with more subscription offerings.
  • "This is all part of Apple slowly just becoming more and more of a services company." — Marques ([11:16])
• Future speculation: Will Apple offer "Phone as a Service"? Similar to some carrier plans ([11:37]).

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3. Google Tasks, Keep, and the State of Google Services ([12:17] – [16:28])

• Google continues streamlining its productivity tools. Reminders set in Google Keep will automatically appear as Google Tasks.
• Hosts commiserate about confusing integrations, missing cross-link features, and the recurring anxiety that Google will kill beloved products like Keep.
  • "I just want a plea to not kill Google Keep." — (Producer) ([16:36])
• Fun banter on bad Google UI choices, e.g., “generate image” replacing the more intuitive “upload from computer” ([17:17]).

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4. Donkey Kong Bonanza: Gaming Hit ([18:37] – [22:38])

• Andrew quizzes Adam about the new Donkey Kong game (Nintendo Switch 2).
• Rave reviews from multiple sources; compared to Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Zelda: Breath of the Wild, and Mario Odyssey.
  • "You could just walk around destroying things and that's it... like when you go to a rage room." — Adam ([19:47])
• The gameplay loop is described as both relaxing and deeply engaging, with open-world elements, puzzles, and destructibility.

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5. Essential Brand's "Comeback" (or Not) ([37:34] – [40:43])

• The Essential phone brand posts "hello world" on social media, which excites old fans.
• Turns out, Essential is now used by Nothing for its "Essential Space" key, an AI data organization feature—not a phone relaunch.
  • "You really took a really amazing brand and just used it for an AI feature that nobody really likes." — David ([39:41])
• Brief nostalgia trip about what made the PH-1 phone special (teardrop notch, stock Android, slick design), its Sprint-only misstep, and the legend of Andy Rubin.

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6. CMF Watch 3 Pro and the Nothing/CMF Product Strategy ([32:05] – [36:52])

• CMF (Nothing’s sub-brand) releases the Watch 3 Pro: $99 ($79 early sale), 1.43" OLED, 3 color options, dual-band GPS, ChatGPT integration, and AI coaching.
• The team notes CMF's inconsistent product names, dropped modular features, and general trendiness—a mix that is "making you scratch your head."
• The Watch 3 Pro drops the previous model’s swappable bezels and is not backward compatible with older replaceable parts.
  • "This is now CMF going back on a lot of replaceable parts... which kind of sucks. It's just a lot of e-waste." — David ([34:21])

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7. Google Pixel 10 Leak: Triple Cameras on Base Model ([45:05] – [54:09])

• Google “leaks” its own Pixel 10 design: base model has triple cameras, raising questions about the Pro’s value proposition.
  • "If this is in fact the Pixel 10 and not the 10 Pro, then confirmed triple cameras on the base Pixel 10, which is a nice upgrade..." — Marques ([45:57])
• Ongoing confusion about differentiating base vs. Pro; speculation about whether both models will have the same camera count but better sensors on Pro.
• Discussion of rumored colors: Lemoncello ("piss colored"), Frost (muted blue), Indigo (deep blue), Obsidian (black/gray); the brighter colors are likely reserved for the base models ([50:27]).
• Playful theory crafting on whether Google itself is purposely seeding leaks to sow confusion ([49:41]).

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8. Raindrop IO, Save-for-Later Apps, and Google Suite ([44:13] – [44:51])

• Marques shares his migration from Pocket to Raindrop IO after Pocket's decline—both are “save for later” services.
• "Now that [Pocket] is going away, Raindrop IO is essentially that." — Marques ([44:24])
• Brief gripe about Google Suite's untapped integration potential.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is all part of Apple slowly just becoming more and more of a services company."
  — Marques ([11:16])
• "I just want a plea to not kill Google Keep."
  — MKBHD Producer/co-host ([16:36])
• "I think the real answer is whoever runs the Google India account doesn't talk to the person who runs the Made by Google account..."
  — Marques ([49:57])
• "Android user is such a toxic relationship."
  — Andrew ([53:48])
• "You can't be a pro and have fun at the same time. No, Apple’s proved that."
  — Marques ([51:55])
• "It looks like if piss fell into a nuclear reactor."
  — David, on the Lemoncello Pixel color ([52:30])
• Donkey Kong Bonanza described as a "rage room" experience ([19:47])

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Segment Timestamps

• FBI Escobar Scam Update – [02:10]
• AppleCare One Discussion – [05:54]
• Google Tasks & Keep Merge – [12:17]
• Google’s Confusing Task/Reminder Ecosystem – [13:12]
• Fun with Google’s "Generate Image" Button – [17:17]
• Donkey Kong Bonanza Review – [18:37]
• CMF Watch 3 Pro – [32:05]
• Essential Brand’s Not-a-Comeback – [37:34]
• Raindrop IO & Save-for-Later Apps – [44:13]
• Pixel 10 Leak, Three Cameras – [45:05]
• Pixel Colors & Camera Prospects – [50:27]
• Pixel Design Wishlist + Upcoming Event – [54:09]

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Monthly Segment: Crown or Clown ([59:20] – [67:00])

• Clown Nominees:

  • Sam Altman (OpenAI): For publicly announcing a data center expansion that will consume as much electricity as 4 million homes. ([59:43])
  • Olaf Gustafson: Escobar phone scammer—did a lot of crime for "not that much money." ([60:46])

• Crown Nominees:

  • Apple’s liquid glass UI progress/backtracked based on community feedback ("Beta 2 and beta 3...").
  • Donkey Kong Bonanza: The surprise gaming hit. ([66:06])
  • 23andMe data bought back from an insurance company.
  • Their own live show: "The live show is awesome." ([65:55])

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Trivia & Tech/Lobster Facts ([26:23], [55:08], [71:01])

• Fun interludes with lobster blood ("clear"/colorless), lobster types in US waters, and a phone-reviews-identification game (Essential PH-1).
• Geeky banter about obscure animal facts, classic phone design quirks, and friendly ribbing over high/low trivia scores.

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Tone & Language Notes

• The episode maintains Waveform’s trademark combination of deep technical discussion, rapid-fire banter, and pop-culture gaming references. Tech critique is informed but approachable; jokes about product names, colors, and company decisions abound.
• Quotable moments are often delivered deadpan, sometimes sarcastic, and always relatable for a nerdy/techie audience.
• Lobster and animal trivia provides offbeat comic relief, keeping things fun even as topics range from federal fraud to hardware e-waste.

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In Summary

This episode captures Waveform at its best: exclusive leak analysis (Pixel 10’s three cameras!), playful banter about service plans, fresh product reviews, and the right amount of geeky humor—plus, all the lobster trivia you didn’t know you needed. If you want to keep up with the state of mobile tech and hear honest, irreverent discussion about the latest gadgets (and sea creatures), this one’s for you.

Transcript

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[Andrew Manganelli]

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[David]

Mine's 45 is what I've been.

[Andrew Manganelli]

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[Ellis Rover]

It's like a giant piece of, of lobster and then just like one Ikea meatball.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

We're your hosts.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm Marques.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm Andrew.

[David]

And I'm David.

[Marques Brownlee]

And this week we've got Pixel 10 leaks. I hesitate to use the word leaks, but I'll throw it in there. Also, since CMF Watch 3 Pro, the essential comeback. And also something going on with Google Tasks and keep like, you know, they just, they don't. They're just always doing stuff, aren't they? But first, I actually, I have an update on the FBI story. You guys remember the FBI story with the Escobar phone?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I saw an article pop up yesterday that had a conclusion, I think, to the story. So the story goes that I did this video on the Escobar folder. They sent it out to influencers. They didn't send out to people who actually bought it. And so they got a whole bunch of views and impressions and people clicking on their website and trying to buy it and not sending the phone to them. I did this little expose video and a couple months later, the FBI literally shows up to the studio and goes, hey, can we talk about that? And I obliged. And they actually took my Escobar phone as evidence. And they said, we'll get back to this later. Don't talk about this, but someday this will all be over. And then I didn't hear from them for years. And then a couple months ago. Or a couple years ago, months ago, we did the FBI video.

[David]

Maybe like a year ago.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. We reached back out to them and we were like, hey, how's that case gone? Is it cool if we talk about it? And they were actually cool with us talking about it. I made the video explaining it. The final update is that the guy behind it all, Olaf, is pleading guilty and faces hundreds of, I think, millions of dollars in fines and also up to 20 plus years in federal prison for each count of fraud. So good, good news is that he won't be doing this again. He won't be scamming people again. But, yeah, pretty. Pretty crazy story that. That arc all wrapped up with five years later.

[David]

This is one of those things where it was so ridiculous when it happened that it was unbelievable that anyone could think that it was real. Right. Because they were selling basically a Galaxy Fold, the original Galaxy Fold, which was like a $2,000 phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[David]

They were selling, quote unquote, for $400. Yep. And they had all this insane promotional.

[Marques Brownlee]

Material with like, with literal crime.

[David]

Just. It was guns and like naked people and crime. And it was just. It was so. It was like a meme of itself.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

And it seemed like they were self aware enough to know it was ridiculous, but. But yet they were still actually scamming people.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The Escobar name is not exactly known for clean. Yeah, it's obviously not good. And you know, I thought the video is like part entertainment, part obvious psa. But yeah, people did spend the money. He apparently he owed something like $300,000 of money to people who bought the phones and didn't care.

[Andrew Manganelli]

He was wired more than $307,000 between December 2019 and June 2020.

[David]

That's actually not that much money for. It's not that much for doing something so stupid like this. Like, it's not. I.

[Andrew Manganelli]

To go on your point, I almost think part of how absurd it was was part of the reason some people got scammed because they saw like, oh, we know this is a Samsung fold that cost two, $2,000. Maybe he's just selling refurbished ones for $500. But like, I'm actually getting this cheaper and we'll just take the skin off. And then they think they get the leg up. And then that's like the only way I can comprehend him getting sent that.

[David]

I think a lot of people were like, might as well try. Yeah, that was a thing that definitely.

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably the price was low enough that people had that much money to throw away of just a flyer of like, hey, if I get the phone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a $2,000 fold.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then they didn't get it.

[David]

I mean, the amount of people that are buying like the Freedom Phone or like signing up for Trump Mobile just because they want to make the content about it, I feel like there were a decent amount of.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's a very good point too.

[David]

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they wanted there probably a bunch of YouTubers that were like, I get to make a video about this even if I don't get the device. At least I can make a video about how I got scammed.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true.

[David]

So that's true. Dang easy way to make money. But it was 300k. Really? Worth the rest of your life in prison and millions of dollars in fines? I don't think so.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not ideal.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that's the update. There you have it. Maybe the other FBI story will be told someday here.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But that's the one that I have told. Moving on. Okay. The story we have here is AppleCare One is introducing a new $20 a month subscription plan.

[David]

Yeah. Apple is effectively trying to get you to buy insurance, but for more than just like your phone or laptop.

[Marques Brownlee]

Multiple things.

[David]

Yeah. So usually when you buy a new device from Apple, you get to sign up for Apple Care Plus, I think it's called.

[Marques Brownlee]

And.

[David]

And that's. You can sign up for that within 60 days of purchasing the device. And that gives you like a couple of years of protection for accidental damage. And then you can add on like theft protection. All this stuff. It's very good. Obviously a lot of people get AppleCare because it's like one of the best sort of insurance policies there is. Now they have been making so much money on insurance policies that they want to make even more money on insurance policies.

[Marques Brownlee]

They.

[David]

So they just introduced this new plan called AppleCare One, which is a new $20 a month subscription plan from Apple, which is a lot of money considering they have a lot of subscription services at this point. But this plan covers up to three products and you can add additional products for $6 extra per month. You get the same coverage you get with AppleCare, plus unlimited repairs for accidental damage. 24. 7 support. But also you can add products you bought up to four years ago versus the normal 60 day window. So I think that this is sort of going to be like the, the target of this is a, is families, is what I'm sort of seeing here.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Do you think that's only going to be in the beginning when they launch this, the four year prior one? Because like if this is. Stays alive for three years and there's Apple Care one and I break my phone, like I can, I can cover things that were broken way after the 90 day limit, I assume.

[David]

So I think it'll keep going.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You think forever you will be able to protect something that's four years old?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Ellis Rover]

You're talking about with Apple Care.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Like, like if I, if I buy my phone right now and in one year it breaks. So I buy Apple Care one because I can cover something that's up to four years old.

[David]

Oh no. Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So I think the promotional of the.

[David]

Beginning, there is a, there's a. Where they will run diagnostics on your device that you add to the plan to make sure it's like in good health and that when you add it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

And it also has to be in good condition.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

You can't do insurance fraud.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, that's called fraud and I'm sure a lot of people will do it and go hang out with Olaf.

[David]

Yeah, I would like to do medical insurance fraud, but that's a whole nother thing.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Wait, I have a question about this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

So you can add three devices. Just glossing over that. You, you can add three devices, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

So my question is, right now I'm paying basically $40 a month for all of my family's like iPhones for AppleCare 999. 99. You know, can I do three iPhones for 20 bucks?

[David]

Yeah. So actually you should.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm in. Yeah.

[David]

You're going to save money.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, you did save families. There's something that says this can be for more than one specific person, I believe. So I guess that would be a big difference on. Can we just like split this or just like one person have to be.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

The owner or would it have to like all be attached to someone's Apple ID or something, you know?

[David]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Because if it's like my AirPods, my phone, my computer, then I get it. But if I could do like my phone, my sister's phone, my mom's phone, that would be ideal.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, so how much you said 9.99amonth.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

For Apple, it's 9.99amonth.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. That's more expensive than I thought, is it?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, because I just had to do this this past Saturday because. Just shattered her phone. So we had to go to the Apple store in Williamsburg, and they like, there was someone across from me who didn't have AppleCare, and they were like, oh, yeah, for you, it'll be like. I think it was like 180 bucks or something like that. It was like 300 bucks to, like, fix the back of the. Of the phone. And for us, it was like 29 bucks. And I was like, is this worth it? If it feels like right now. But I don't know if it's the back screen or the back glass. And the metal is not dented. I believe it was $29 to replace just the back glass. But had the metal been dented or they had to, like, give us a different phone or something, then it would have been like, 99.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, my God.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

And then it just goes. There's like, multiple tiers for it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Our repair was not in the Apple world, so I don't.

[Ellis Rover]

This has not been my experience with AppleCare at all.

[David]

Really? Yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

First of all, I just checked. I pay 799 for AppleCare.

[David]

Wait, why do you have Apple?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I mean, actually, why don't. Yeah, no, why do you have. That Would be dumb to not have it.

[Ellis Rover]

That's how I've kept this phone alive. Because it's like, oh, no. Like a part broke. Let me just go spend $10 and get it replaced in two hours. Actually, this is.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. It's the life support of that phone.

[Ellis Rover]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Really?

[David]

On life Support? On the 12 mini.

[Ellis Rover]

And I don't think I've ever paid more than $20. And I've replaced, like, literally every single part on this phone.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Oh, the screen, too?

[Ellis Rover]

Both the front. No, I haven't replaced the front screen. That's the only original part on the phone.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Ellis, you should buy Apple and two more iPhone 12 minis and just literally.

[Ellis Rover]

Let it ride, baby.

[David]

Yeah. The newsroom post does not say anything about family plans, but Apple one, which has all the services that, you know, like the Fitness plus and TV plus that is shared with your family plan, so. Well, Apple One ultimate or whatever it is, it's not called that. Something different. But either way, yeah, I assume you could probably do it for your family, and this is probably just a way for people to, you know, ensure their stuff for their family.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. This is all part of Apple slowly just becoming more and more of a services company.

[David]

Oh, 100.

[Marques Brownlee]

They have so many services, and obviously they've They've made a good amount of hardware and they sell a lot of that stuff too. But the way they're growing as a company is by offering more and more monthly subscription services. Yeah, this is another one. Yeah, there will be more.

[David]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

How long until it's the phone?

[David]

The phone as a service.

[Marques Brownlee]

I. I mean, it already kind of is.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Basically is doing it, right?

[David]

It already is.

[Marques Brownlee]

You.

[David]

You pay monthly phone service to be able to like use the wireless data.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Well, I mean, like to buy the phone. Like, oh, if you give us 20amonth, when the new iPhone comes out, you'll just get a new iPhone, just come in.

[David]

T Mobile does that, right?

[Andrew Manganelli]

I mean, didn't you try that and then cancel it before you got the upgrade?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. Remember, I remember that story. But yeah, they're. That's basically carrier service carriers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

I could definitely see Apple doing that. And so, I mean, they already do financing, so is that that different?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, that's true.

[David]

You know, Klarna.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, I need someone to explain this. Google Tasks, Google keep, Google reminders. So implosion.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Remember how we spent all that time getting Andrew to join Google Tasks? We did a whole episode about it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes, we did.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

He finally got on Google Tasks and now he uses Google Tasks every day.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's why I'm so scared of this headline. If I just see Google Tasks or keep, I'm like, one's dying.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, doing that was a good call because it seems like they're going all in on Google Tasks basically. So this news was already announced, but now I think they're announcing that it's going to be happening something like that, which is that when you set a reminder in Google Keep, it will now show up as a Google Task and it'll have a little like note next to it that'll be like, this is from keep or whatever. So if you have like a recurring grocery list or something, I'm assuming that will. Yeah, I'm guessing that would show up as a Google Task. But saying from keep like it has.

[Andrew Manganelli]

A little badge next to it is, is this. Dude, this is some cross.

[Ellis Rover]

This is 10x product management right here. I just want to say Google PMs. You're crushing it, folks.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Does this work the other way around? Where like if I say go grocery shopping recurring on a task and I can link a keep grocery list to.

[Ellis Rover]

It, cross link it with your Google Calendar and then sync it with a Gmail reminder, which you're joking.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

And it's also Google Tasks to Google Calendar. Google Tasks and Gmail, its own thing in Google Calendar. Now, like, it's basically the whole app. You can like tab over and you just have your Google Tasks there to answer your question. Unclear. That would be cool. Like what I want is to be able to attach a note to a Google Task. Like, that would be cool. This seems to be so far just in the reverse. So you can like just set a reminder in Google Keep and then it'll just pop up. Like, don't forget about this thing you have in Google Tasks.

[David]

Okay. I want to propose something. So millions of years ago, our brains developed this thing called memory and we can.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

You mean ram?

[David]

Yeah. And we can remember to do things.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but that's notoriously really buggy.

[David]

Well, sure, but life is buggy. You know what I'm saying?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

David, you once forgot to pick up Ellis on your way to the office.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I was. Yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

Also we had been texting. I said see you at 10. And in that 10 you forgot what See you see?

[David]

Not a lot see. What do you want from me, man?

[Andrew Manganelli]

You don't. You can't Google Keep and Drive.

[David]

Hey, and you know, we wouldn't have had that fun story if I didn't forget to pick them up. So life would not be vibrant if everything went as planned.

[Ellis Rover]

So Google Keep does not sync with Google Drive, but Google Drive can sync with Google Tap and Keep someone else take this.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's alrighty. This will be fun later when we talk about nothing in essential.

[David]

Take the wheel. Take the wheel.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

The new capability will make Google Task the single solution for managing your to DOS across workspace.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

It's just like another nail in the cough into what David is always talking about. How anytime someone remembers that Google Keep exists, it's like people get nervous.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Can I ask a question? Who sets reminders in Google Keep?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I set reminders.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, I used to. You can like really entire point of tasks. They're even geo fenced. Right. Or geotagged. So you can be like, when I get home, remind me to blank in in keep.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I don't know if that's in keep.

[Marques Brownlee]

Was that not in keep?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

That might have been in Google Assistant Tasks, which was folded into Google Tasks.

[David]

Which use your brain telling you it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Is so much simpler.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, it's not.

[David]

It's horrible.

[Marques Brownlee]

Google Assistant reminders.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Sorry.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Open a note, access the remind me feature. Look for the bell icon at the top of the note. I do know that bell icon. And choose a time and location.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Location. Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Huh.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Oh, nice.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I never knew could do that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Also with the Assistant so you could talk to like your Google home and ask it to remind you to do something when you get to work and you get to work. And it would like, light up the assistant.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I didn't realize that was through keep, though. Yeah, I thought it was through tap.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Because I do it in my car all the time.

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess I never had to interface with the keep behind that reminder, but it was going through keep technically, huh? Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Can I or does anyone else have anything to say with that? Because I have a random Google gripe that I'd like to just bring.

[Marques Brownlee]

We might as well just.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I just want to plea to not kill Google keep.

[David]

Don't even. Don't even say it. Adam into Void, please. You're willing.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The day we read that during trivia waiting, the day the tear runs down from Adam's face, I feel like this.

[Ellis Rover]

I want to say kill Google. I cannot.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is Google just taking the tarp and like slowly covering Google Key.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Hello. Yeah, over there.

[Marques Brownlee]

One day I'm going to get an.

[David]

Email in the middle of the pod from Megan Fox and it's going to say some sad news about Google Key.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's actually where actually happened.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Here's my gripe right now in Google Drive or Google Docs, I guess. See, that's already insert an image button. The drop down. The first option always used to be upload from computer because I put photos in our Google. Our outlines for the pod. Every single. I know you guys have a different gripe with pictures in Google.

[David]

I usually just drag and drop.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Now the top one is generate an image. And we've done 300 episodes of this. So my brain just automatically clicks the button and clicks the first one and every time I then have to click out of generate an image to just put a stupid picture of like a watch in this.

[Ellis Rover]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Google Drives me insane.

[Ellis Rover]

Why would they do that? In what world is an image generated by whatever model they're using for that right now better than the image that you know is on your computer?

[Marques Brownlee]

This is just Google spamming. Like getting more users of the service so they can say they have more people using it.

[Ellis Rover]

Oh, my God, you're so annoying.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Every time I've accidentally clicked it, they're like, count that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And then on the next Google Ioki Note, they'd be like, users have been loving generating images. Yeah. If they're generating millions of images, they can't stop generating images.

[David]

Andrew Manganelli physically cannot stop because they keep hitting it by accident.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I mean, you can probably count how many times I did it? There's. I think I have like eight pictures in this doc.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that's. That why you have all these generated images?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Andrew Manganelli]

All right, we have one more thing, and this is a question I have for Adam.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I have an answer.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I have been non stop seeing that the new Donkey Kong game is like 10 out of 10. Incredible. Like the new Donkey Kong on Switch. Yeah. Donkey Kong Bonanza is like absolutely killing it in game. And you have it.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, it's awesome. Is there this game because it's like. All right, so I used to love these games in I don't even know what year. 97, something like that. Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, PlayStation.

[Marques Brownlee]

PlayStation games.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Not Nintendo PlayStation games. But like, you're this little character that just runs around doing a bunch of levels and you're like doing things as you go, collecting gems, you know, the usual. They did that with Donkey Kong. But as if it's like a modern game in 2025. So, like, the levels themselves are massive. And because it's Donkey Kong, you can just destroy the entire level. Like my first night playing this game, I kind of just wanted to. I wasn't sure if I wanted to, like, dive deep into it. You know, it was like, late. I'm like, let me just play like five or ten minutes. So I just destroyed the whole level for five minutes. And it was like, kind of relaxing to just. It's like when you go to like a break room or something like that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Vacuuming.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Like what?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Like you have to get every single piece. Oh, yes. Yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

You mean a rage room?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Is that what they're called?

[Ellis Rover]

A break room is where you have a pot of coffee with.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I was. Yes.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

A rage room, like when you go with a bat and just destroy a bunch of glass things, it has that same kind of like, vibe for most of like, the whole level. So you could just walk around destroying things and that's it. And you don't have to play the game at all. So that's like what I did for like the first half hour of me playing. I was just walking around destroying Corner Rock. It was awesome.

[David]

I've only played this game for like 20 minutes, but I kept getting myself stuck because I was just like burrowing into the ground and then I couldn't figure out how to get out.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, it took me like a good amount of time to realize that he could just climb.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think you guys are just playing Minecraft.

[David]

Yeah, it's sort of like Minecraft, but you can destroy things.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Wrong.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, my God, if they DLC and then Donkey Kong could start building things, that would be crazy.

[David]

Also, what platform is this on?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Adam, this is a Nintendo Switch 2 game.

[David]

That's right.

[Ellis Rover]

You know how good this game is. Last week I was like, Adam, do you want to go? Do you and your fiance want to go get dinner with me tonight? And Adam goes, nah, I'm going to play Donkey Kong.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I mean, which is different from the usual response. That's just not.

[David]

That's not that different.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

But this time I had a reason. I was working, guys. I knew that I had something out.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Of 10 on IGN.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

The game is actually like really good. So I think IGN compared it to.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Zelda, Breath of the Wild and Odyssey.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

And Odyssey, which is made by Wild.

[David]

It is made by the Super Mario Odyssey team.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

And I could see the. The collab. The comparison to Zelda. Just because there are puzzles and things that you have to do and it's not overtly clear. Like you just will be going through the level. You will stumble upon this thing. And if you. There's a thing you could do where you like clap and see all around you. And you could see a banana and be like, oh, I gotta get the banana. And every time you get a banana, it goes, oh, banana. And it's awesome.

[David]

But I love Japan.

[Marques Brownlee]

I do the.

[David]

After a long run, I'm like, oh.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

The game is just that. It's just fun.

[David]

Yeah, I need to play. I'm gonna play it on the plane today. It's gonna be fun.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, because I feel like you might lowkey like this.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just walking around bashing things.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, there's like a point to it, but in the process you get to.

[David]

Destroy everything's like a point.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

You can play the level if you want.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Like that's what I started doing yesterday and I've gotten already fairly far. I don't know how long the game is, so I don't know.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I heard a jump, but someone said it's like 20 hours to beat it. But multiple people are like 50 or 60 hours into it.

[David]

I still just focused everywhere.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Oh yeah, because the comparison.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't have that kind of time, guys.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Bro, you're about to fly to China.

[David]

That's literally.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's fair.

[David]

You know how many hours I have in Dota?

[Marques Brownlee]

2.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Can I guess?

[David]

You should guess.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

How long have you been playing this game?

[David]

Since 2011.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Since 2011. Okay. No.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So were you paying attention? Because he said it out loud right before we really.

[Marques Brownlee]

I do remember what you said.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Oh, 20,000.

[Marques Brownlee]

20,000.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

What hours?

[Marques Brownlee]

That's an hours.

[Andrew Manganelli]

20,000.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, no, no.

[David]

I mean, now my number is going to seem low as hell.

[Marques Brownlee]

Can I say what I think it is? Because I think I remember it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Was it 4,168 hours?

[David]

It was 4,620 hours.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's a lot of hours.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

That's not a lot. You're not even an expert yet.

[David]

I'm still the second to lowest.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

You got to put in your 10,000.

[Marques Brownlee]

10,000 hours. That's like. That's how you get the thing.

[David]

That's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

10,000 hours.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you're like, kind of a rookie still.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I put that into, like, learning piano or something, though, do you want.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

To know how many days that is? Ellis just did the math.

[Ellis Rover]

Okay, but you said 4620.

[David]

Yeah, but also think about this. You're only awake for, like, 12, like 14 or 16 hours.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Stop letting your facts get in the way of this joke.

[David]

No. So double that.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

No.

[Ellis Rover]

It's Sad enough it's 192 days you.

[David]

Haven'T seen, so it's basically twice that. It's. It's over a year, effectively, of waking hours that I played. Dota.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Damn Runescape, people. That's basically getting out of the tutorial.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is only since 2011. So in the last 15 years.

[David]

That's 14 years.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's. In the last 14 years, you spent one entire year playing this game.

[David]

That's so much.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's only one. One. It's only one 14.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's like if you. You just had 15 years of time and you just sat still for one whole year and just play the game.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's so much.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Andrew Manganelli]

1 14th of your day. That's what, two hours a day?

[Marques Brownlee]

Every day.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's not that crazy.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, two hours.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Two hours a day. But think about one day being six hours. You've never done a six hour.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've literally never done a six hour gaming session.

[David]

Oh, man.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Neither have I.

[David]

There were periods. I'm just.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, we should just go to Trivia.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is a great time to move on.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The thing about this conversation is half the people are like rookie numbers. The other half of people are like, you have no life.

[David]

That's true. I only play this, like, once a month now, by the way. And I only play it for, like, two hours, like, once a month.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sorry, that's crazy because just like, by laws of averages, you must have had, like, a steep amount of hours before.

[David]

Oh, yeah, college and a little bit after. And then in between jobs. Actually, in between my last job and this job, I took a month off between jobs. I played Dota for, like, eight hours.

[Marques Brownlee]

I remember you telling me that because.

[David]

I started here already. Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I was like, what'd you do, play.

[David]

Dota Dota for a month straight? Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's on his screen right now.

[David]

You still haven't won one.

[Ellis Rover]

Yeah, well, you haven't beaten the game yet.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Just pause.

[David]

There's no game to beat. You can't pause an online game, Andrew.

[Ellis Rover]

Sounds like a skill issue, guys. All right, so people are bored. We've covered lots of really great topics so far today, and we have even more great ones to go. But this feels like a great time to announce that in early, possibly mid, there's a chance it might be late August, we will be publishing, posting, releasing, dropping the next edition of Trivia Extravaganza.

[Marques Brownlee]

Whoa.

[Ellis Rover]

That's right. And as promised. Well, I shouldn't say as promised, because I'm not following through on this promise. A few weeks ago, I promised that there would be a lobster category in Trivia Extravaganza. We had so many bangers that I had to scoot it. Had to go boot. That's the word I was looking for. It's really early in the morning. Normally we record this much later in.

[David]

The morning than it is. Yeah, true. It is early.

[Ellis Rover]

So, guys, I'm taking one of those lobster questions, and we're doing it right now. Are you ready?

[David]

Yeah. Guys.

[Ellis Rover]

And if this doesn't prove they're freaky, I don't know.

[David]

Freaky. I love those sea bugs. I love eating those.

[Ellis Rover]

Guys, prior to being exposed to oxygen, what color is a lobster's blood?

[David]

Everyone knows this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just learned this yesterday.

[Ellis Rover]

Everyone knows this.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I feel like there's a default answer to what color is something's blood? When it's not the normal color, then put it down.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, okay, but Sounds like we're wrong.

[David]

Sounds like we're wrong. Yeah, it's gonna be, like, neon green or something.

[Ellis Rover]

I would start thinking freaky. Guys, this isn't no or normal animal. This is a lobster. This is king freak of the sea.

[David]

Prior to being exposed to oxygen. So before they start breathing. Well, when they're in the womb, when.

[Marques Brownlee]

It'S on its way.

[David]

Do lobsters have wounds?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, actually, I don't. No.

[David]

Or do they lay eggs?

[Ellis Rover]

They lay eggs. Also in your circulatory system, blood leaves the heart oxygenated and returns to it depleted of oxygen.

[David]

So before it gets Back to the heart.

[Ellis Rover]

Yes, but if you cut a lobster open, it will oxygenize. Oxygenate.

[David]

Oxidize.

[Ellis Rover]

Oxidize.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oxidize. Ox. Just burst.

[Ellis Rover]

Dad, can I go home?

[David]

It's four in the morning.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I can't do this anymore.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's an answer to this.

[Ellis Rover]

Guys, it's 2A. Yeah, there is an answer to this.

[Marques Brownlee]

You either know it or you don't.

[Ellis Rover]

And I have even more lobster questions if you want.

[David]

So it's more insane than the color I'm thinking.

[Ellis Rover]

I don't know. I don't know what you're thinking.

[Marques Brownlee]

We'll see.

[Ellis Rover]

Say it out loud.

[Marques Brownlee]

Don't do it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Don't do it.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a trap. It's a trap.

[David]

Just like last week.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

So it's a laptop.

[Ellis Rover]

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Support for the show comes from Framer. Seems like everyone needs a website. And sure, there are plenty of websites that can give you cookie cutter designs. But Framer is different. Framer is the design first. No code website builder that lets anyone ship a production ready website in minutes. That means you can have the freedom to build a website that is professional, polished and uniquely yours. No code, no compromises. It's built in AI and it'll handle the heavy lifting. By generating starter layouts and then coding behind the scenes, you'll be able to do a B tests of your design, set up funnels and see exactly where people click, all from one place. Having a good looking website is basically a necessity in 2025. And honestly, if I'm looking something up and their website sucks, I immediately try and find something else.

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[David]

Probably not the CMF Watch 3 Pro because it'll probably come in in a different color than it looks online like every other product.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, good answer.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, that was exactly it.

[Ellis Rover]

How'd you know?

[David]

We've got new cheap to talk about.

[Marques Brownlee]

You've.

[David]

You've probably, you've probably heard of the CMF Watch 2 Pro.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Watch Pro 2.

[David]

I hate everything. They changed the name.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yes, the name is different.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh yeah, it was Watch 2.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, Watch Pro 2. And this is the Watch 3 Pro. Okay, I'm not Kidding.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

What if there are multiple watches?

[Marques Brownlee]

Watches 3 Pro, watch the stream.

[David]

Well CMF the color material finished the sub brand of the. The. The cheap sub brand of the cheap company that is no longer cheap anymore. Nothing has released a 99, currently 79 because it's early sales smartwatch called the CMF Watch 3 Pro. It has a 1.43-inch OLED display with a 10% increase in screen to body ratio from the Watch 2. And it comes in three colors and it can do chat GPT for some reason.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, so the colors are what actually confused me the most.

[Marques Brownlee]

Same.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So the colors are dark gray, light gray and orange. But if you notice the styles in all of those colors are also different.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, these are just three different ones.

[Andrew Manganelli]

These are just three completely different watches style wise. So the, the orange is actually a dark gray bezel and like metal piece which, with some orange accents. A flat bezel that's kind of notched with the orange. Then the dark gray. No wait, sorry. That was the orange color. That's actually dark gray. Then the dark gray is just kind of a lighter gray. So it's like middle gray. It's like the middle porridge and it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Looks angled, not flat maybe I think.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It'S kind of flat but it has no notches.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Andrew Manganelli]

And it has a little like etch in the bottom left that says CMF by nothing. And then light gray is a lighter gray but it's kind of got like a beveled or like curved design. It's not flat.

[Ellis Rover]

Perhaps call it a lip.

[Andrew Manganelli]

A lip. Yeah. Lip is a good way.

[David]

Yeah. They also took out the swappable bezels from the last one. And this is like. This is now nothing. Not nothing. This is now CMF. Going back on a lot of replaceable parts. Like we talked about how the, the. What is the, the phone with the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Replaceable back parts CMF phone and the.

[David]

Other one that we talked about two weeks ago, Fairphone. The Fairphone 6 has like those like replaceable back parts now. And then the CMF Phone one also had the replaceable back parts. And when, when they released the CMF phone 2 they most of them were not compatible with the CMF Phone two. Yep. And now they're kind of doing the same thing with the watch where they like introduce a new sort of like replaceable swappable paradigm but they don't keep it going, which kind of sucks. It's just a lot of e waste.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's a lot. CMF makes some really cool looking things. But a lot of the Stuff they do kind of makes you scratch your head. One of them being calling it the Watch Pro 2 and then the Watch 3 Pro. Yeah, it feels like that's just like. That is CMF in a nutshell.

[David]

Yeah. It does have dual band GPS though, which is kind of interesting. That's a feature that we're only seeing in like higher end smartwatches these days.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's got good stuff. I mean it's, it's what, 13 days of battery life. Although it says under typical usage, which is 11 days with heavier tracking and 4.5 days with always on display.

[David]

I mean, that's still good.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's still good for a smartwatch for sure.

[David]

Says it charges 100% in 99 minutes.

[Andrew Manganelli]

There is an AI powered coaching what everybody's asking for these days.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a new rage. Everyone's doing that, but nobody. We don't know if anybody wants it because nobody's asked for it. But maybe it's good. Maybe.

[David]

I feel like Apple just announced it at Dub Dub and then Samsung was like, make that fast, make that fast, make that fast. Yeah, write that down, write that down. And then now CMF wants to do it. I wonder if anyone likes that.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, we're gonna find out this year. This will be the year we find out. And then next year they'll either all disappear and no one will hear from them again or they'll be everywhere.

[David]

I think it's gonna be the former.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, we'll see.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The other thing is that now you will be using the Nothing X app to control the watches. And I believe the previous watches will also be transitioning to the Nothing accent.

[David]

That's nice. At least because the headphones also use the app.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It is nice.

[David]

Oh, the CMF headphones, sorry, that Nothing headphone one.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I agree that doing it all in one app is nice. It's just weird that this is the CMF stuff that's now doing the nothing things. Yep, CMF's doing nothing.

[Ellis Rover]

Nothing tries so hard to be trendy. And I feel bad talking smack because I do appreciate how hard they try. Right. Like so much harder than everyone else. But they try so hard and make so little sense all the time that when you say Nothing X app instead of X representing the interchange of all their products, it just sounds like Nothing is collaborating with a company called App.

[David]

Yeah, with.

[Andrew Manganelli]

X.

[Ellis Rover]

Like the Nothing X app.

[David]

Yeah. Well, speaking of Nothing, we saw a random post from Essential, which, if you remember the Essential brand, the Essential PH1 was one of the greatest phones ever.

[Ellis Rover]

Created one of the most acidic phones ever created, too.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting. Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. So famously, Andy Rubin's phone company, it was supposed to be sort of like the pinnacle of what Android could be. It had a beautiful design. It was one of the first teardrop notch phones. It didn't have a headphone jack and they added like a little pogo pin adapter to add a headphone jack, which was really lame, but it had a DAC in it anyway. It was really, really cool. It was a really cool company. And then they just disappeared sort of out of nowhere because they kind of like ran out of money. They also launched on Sprint in the United States, which was the stupidest thing you could possibly do.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[David]

And then it disappeared for a long time. And then in 2021, Carl Pei bought the brand and allegedly, Nothing was originally going to be called Essential. They were just going to take over the brand and then they didn't and they called it Nothing. So they've just done nothing with the Essential brand.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I kind of forgot.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

They owned that brand.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, did they really announce it much back then or like.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it was just like sort.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Of talking about it in the last couple, like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they didn't really announce it or do anything with it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

He did a video like a month ago about why they bought it. And what was cool about it is someone who works at Nothing now has the old Project Gem, the second phone they were going to release, the really skinny one.

[David]

Really.

[Andrew Manganelli]

If you have a chance to watch the video. The funniest thing is the keyboard, because in order to fit the keyboard. So for anyone who doesn't know, Project Gem was an extremely thin phone, like a four by one aspect ratio.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

And in order to fit the keyboard, it basically had to like diagonally go across the screen from left bottom to right upwards to fit everything. And it took like three quarters of the screen up to just put an entire keyboard. Yeah, it's very funny. Go watch that video if you want to see what Project Gem could have been.

[David]

But possibly, in one of the biggest letdowns of all time, we see this post on Twitter that's just print hello World from the Essential account. And everyone's like, oh, my God, it's Essential coming back. They're going to make another Essential Phone. It's going to be amazing because everyone forgot that, you know, Nothing had bought them. And then they just started posting about Essential Space, which is like that, the key on the new Nothing phones. That's what that is. It adds your stuff to the Essential Space. It's called the Essential Key and it's like, wow, you really, you really took a really amazing brand and you just used it for an AI feature that nobody really likes.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I probably wouldn't take the brand name. They did. The phone was really cool and in hindsight it was. But it was getting memed on so hard because they called it the Essential Phone right in the peak of.

[David]

And they took phone jack. That's true.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Like, everyone was like, what? The headphone jack's not essential? And back then that was a crazier thing. And also Andy Rubin just didn't have the best record. Well, which kind of really killed the company.

[David]

He did. Until, yeah, his stuff happened and then the, the gem phone came out, like right around when he got in trouble and exposed. So that was fun.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So, yeah, I probably would also get. But it was a weird thing for them to tweet from the account.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone got all stoked and then they were just like, you can integrate to Google Calendar with the Essential key. And everyone's like, oh, no.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I want the essential space to get better. I've talked about it in every new phone review I've done for a nothing phone just to see, like how they've improved it over the time that it's been out. And it. It still doesn't sync anywhere. So I have this thing where I save links and I save things that I want to remember later, but I use. Actually, right now I use Raindrop IO, which is multiplatform. But the whole point is I can access it from anywhere. I can access it from my computer, I can save things from my computer, I can access stuff from my phone, save things from my phone. And this is a kind of useful tool, but it only works on your phone and only pulls from the stuff you've saved earlier on your phone. So if you have any other devices that you save stuff from, it won't show up here. So my number one ask for this is for it to get backed up somewhere. Maybe I can just access it from a browser or something that just. That would make it a multitude more useful for me.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then from there it can just be the place that I dump stuff that I want to remember later. That's kind of cool. They can add features there, it could be useful, add calendar events, whatever. But yeah, every time they announce a new phone, I go, oh, it's still getting better, but I'm still not going to use it because I can only use it on my phone.

[David]

Yeah. Which theoretically Google should have the ability to do all of those things because they have all your calendar data and your drive. Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Google test.

[David]

And all your Gmail data.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I was just going to say, isn't that just the Google Suite? Yeah, like everything you just described.

[David]

That's the possibility of the Google sweep. Well, yeah, I haven't actually done anything like that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

Which is why all these new AI browsers are popping up. Like OpenAI is reportedly working on their own browser. And the whole perplexity is comment. The whole value chain of that is that if you're talking to the AI model all the time, it learns more about you so the browser can be more personalized. But Google's had the opportunity to do that for a really long time and they haven't done it, which is very fun.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I mean, I don't know how you would train a model like that. So this could be a stupid question, but doesn't Google already have all that information? Like, why do I need to continually talk to it Again, like it already?

[David]

I don't think you really do. Yeah, I just think that they probably are trying to try to fine line between privacy and figuring out how much of your data to use. And then also it's Google.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

And that's kind of the answer.

[Marques Brownlee]

I feel like they kind of were onto something a long time ago, but then never really finished it. Remember Google now? Remember when go on tap? Yeah, now on tap, which was. And then they added like on screen stuff. But basically the idea was, oh, we're Google, we know all this stuff about you. We see your calendar, we see your Gmail. So when you wake up in the morning, Google now is going to tell you what you need to know right now, which is, oh, there's a little extra traffic on your way to work. Because I know where you work and I know how long it takes for you to get to work. And when you typically leave, so leave 10 minutes earlier and you'll get there on time. And here's the things you're doing when you get to work and here's the calendar events and how you need to go from thing to thing. And that idea of knowing everything about you and being helpful for you is useful.

[David]

It's helpful.

[Marques Brownlee]

And yeah, Gemini could do some more of that, I think. But in general, right now it's kind of not using it.

[David]

Basically, the best Gemini feature now is to take a screenshot and have it add it to your calendar, which is good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. But same thing that Siri. Same thing visual intelligence does on the iPhone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

If you use Apple Calendar. Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I feel like Google now got so watered down and just put into like the little Pixel widget that's on like the top left.

[David]

It was so useful for so long.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Went away.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Anyway, speaking of Google.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Nice.

[Andrew Manganelli]

As usual, all I added to that conversation.

[David]

That's nice.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I was reading about Raindrop IO. It looks pretty cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's great. It sounds pretty dumb.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

It's just like a save for later kind of place basically.

[Marques Brownlee]

You remember Pocket? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know how Pockets kind of like going away?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I switch to this.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Didn't Pocket. They made a new Pocket called like Folio or something too.

[Marques Brownlee]

The people. I need to try that too.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably because Pocket had an app that was native on a bunch of platforms. I had the Pocket app on my phone, my tablet, the browser extension, everything. So anytime I needed to say something for later, I just put it in my pocket. And now that, that is like going away. Raindrop I.O. is essentially that.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Pocket has such better branding though.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Put it in my pocket. So perfect.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

What are you going to say with Raindrop?

[David]

Put it in my. Raindrop. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't love Put it in my bucket.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Not a great song about it.

[Marques Brownlee]

In my back pocket.

[David]

In my back pocket.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's true. But yeah, I, I use Raindrop now and it's about the same thing.

[David]

Speaking of Google. Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. So Google has been notoriously bad at keeping things a secret. At this point, I'm afraid to ask why. I don't know why. Things just leak for like months before they come out for Google.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Before they're even announced.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Before they're even confirmed to be real products.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So Google started owning that in the past couple years. They've poked fun at that. They started revealing things before the leaks can even do it or whatever. They're doing this now with the Pixel 10. They've just shown us the design of the Pixel 10, which is only a design. We don't know the specs, we don't know the price. There are other things that they can announce later. Great. That'll probably also leak, but whatever. Yeah, but what they're showing us is design is the Pixel 10. And what's interesting here is one, it's basically the Pixel 9.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

A little bit of a different like titanium ish color. Two, if this is in fact a pixel 10, because there's a nice little 10 second video that they're showing us which is like they're unveiling it. If this is in fact the Pixel 10 and not the 10 Pro. Then confirmed triple cameras on the base Pixel 10, which is a nice upgrade, which I think we've mentioned this on a previous episode. Makes it even more challenging to distinguish it between the 10 and the 10 Pro. What are they gonna do on the 10 Pro that's not on the 10? If there's triple cameras on the 10 stuff maybe.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, brighter screen, we might have some rumors.

[David]

Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I went full speculation on this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I even created a theory.

[David]

Let's hear the theory.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay. So you sounded so cool. We talked about it. I even created. I need to make Google Weeks interesting because they happen every damn day.

[David]

So.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So like you said, There's a 10 second video that showed the goo. It just said 10 and a pixel with three cameras. So we're hoping, I'm hoping personally a base model 10 with a telephoto.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Then Google India tweets this a different ad that says ask more of your phone. Google Pixel 10 Pro. It's the same exact phone. It has the exact like lens flare coming off of of the the visor. It's in a little different scenario. So then I'm like, oh no, this is just the 10 Pro. It doesn't have 10. But Android Headlines has done a bunch of different leaks to the point where it seems like they have the camera specs which might help us understand the different. If there are three on the base, what the difference is and that is that the base phone will be using Pixel 9a sensors for everything. Where the 10 Pro and 10 Pro XL will have up better cameras.

[Marques Brownlee]

That is so hard to sell. So they both have triple cameras but the Pro has better triple cameras. Correct.

[David]

Regular people are not gonna care.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is funny. Yeah. And I don't.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah, I don't think that matters.

[Marques Brownlee]

I agree. I don't. I hate to ding them for that because I think in the world of like people like deeply researching their phones, they will realize that that's probably something that is worth it if you take a lot of pictures and photos and videos and all that. But that is very hard for the regular person to understand.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, there's triple cameras on this one and there's triple cameras on this one. Okay. I guess I'll just save my money and get the 10.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I would argue most people, if they said there's two cameras on this and three on the other, they would be like, what does that do?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think most people know that you get the ultra wide or you get the zoom.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't think most people know what an ultra Wide does.

[Marques Brownlee]

Really does the 0.5x. Most people just call it the 0.5x, I guess. But if you get the extra camera, that means it'll do better when you zoom, basically. And if they both have that better zoom, then what's the point of upgrading to the Pro if they both have it?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

But I don't think Google's trying to get people to upgrade to the Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's kind of how it feels. Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I just want anyone to have it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, maybe this is. Maybe this is kind of hero work. Maybe they're just doing the best possible base phone and then they're like the Pro phones. Whatever. We don't care that much about those. But we want to make the best.

[David]

What if they just call them the Pro phones but there's nothing different and they $300 more.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's actually what's happening.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think you could argue the opposite way of it almost being nefarious of let's just throw three on the bottom phone. But they're not as good. But no one's going to know the difference between good cameras, bad cameras. They just see three bigger number.

[David]

How do we know that that's the regular one and not the Pro?

[Marques Brownlee]

We don't. We don't.

[Andrew Manganelli]

We're.

[David]

Shouldn't we assume it's the Pro then if it has three cameras?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Because that's what India posted, that it's the Pro.

[Andrew Manganelli]

India posts the Pro. But there have been tons of rumors of the base having a third camera to the point of like specs coming out for you.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

So Google India account, not the country of India.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, so that was my theory that Google's trying to confuse us with their own leaks now. I think putting 1 as the 10 and 1 as the 10 Pro and being like now you don't know our leaks are so bad. Maybe if we leak four, you'll be more confused.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think the real answer is whoever runs the Google India account doesn't talk to the person who runs the Made by Google account and just tweeted that it's the 10 Pro. And oops, they just told everyone it's the 10 Pro.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yes. So let's see who thinks there will be three cameras on the base 10.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think there will be two cameras on the base.

[David]

Well, according to these Android hydro lines renders, because they have renders of four of the colors. Which are God awful, by the way.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Totally disagree.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I love these colors.

[David]

Lemon cello.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Amazing.

[David]

Okay, it's not.

[Andrew Manganelli]

If that's the. If that's the color of lobster Blood, I will admit it is freakier than crabs.

[David]

It looks like piss.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's sickness, though.

[David]

Sure. Okay. And then we've got frost, which is kind of like a very, very, very muted blue. It's actually like the same color as the like MacBook Air. Blue.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's barely blue.

[David]

Barely blue. You've got indigo, which is like a deep blue, which is actually quite nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sounds fire.

[David]

And obsidian, which is just black, but. Well, it's gray.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's the one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hell yeah. Go on.

[David]

All right, well, you know, black technically. Yeah, okay. Whatever.

[Ellis Rover]

Yo, they got that in gray.

[David]

It absorbs every. You got that in gray.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is.

[David]

Usually they do the worst, like the more insane colors for the. The cheaper model.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's a very good point.

[David]

So I would imagine that these are the cheaper models because I don't see Google selling a piss colored profile.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a. That's not.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I can't wait.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm pre ordering now because these are bright colored phones. These are probably the base phones and they appear to have triple cameras, therefore. Triple cameras on the base.

[David]

That would be my speculation.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think it's obvious we've all learned that pro people are not allowed to have fun colors.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true. They're probably going to have like a black and a white for the pro and that'll be it.

[David]

Hell yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm into that.

[Andrew Manganelli]

You can't be a pro and have fun at the same time. No, Apple's proved that.

[Marques Brownlee]

You just put a skin on it, that's all.

[David]

Adam, did you say that there was a piss colored profile before?

[Andrew Manganelli]

They've had a very similar to this.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I don't know if it was pro.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It was like a six.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yes, six or six. A one of those. It was like a yellow.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It was Lemon Cello Pro.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

No, I don't think it was a pro.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Similarly color. Yeah, they had this like weird.

[David]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Lemongrass. I think it was called Lemongrass.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, sounds right. Yeah, yeah.

[David]

But that was a regular model.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

I do love it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Told you. You. I already got you.

[David]

Oh, wait, sorry. I was looking.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Well, that was fast.

[David]

I was looking at the old one. The old one, the lemongrass was nice. This one is like. It's like if piss fell into like a nuclear reactor.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Like if you just drink Gatorade for.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like three weeks, the pixels actually it kind of works.

[David]

You were also dehydrated.

[Ellis Rover]

Looks like Lemon Cello. I don't know.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Like, I think it's awesome. Yeah, I think it's a sick.

[Ellis Rover]

I kind of like It.

[David]

Well, anyway, I assume that they're the. The cheaper ones, which would. Which would also say that there are three cameras on the cheap ones, which.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Is anyone here going two cameras on the base?

[Marques Brownlee]

Not anymore. I really so seems like fire colors for the pros. That would be really interesting.

[David]

I mean, Michael Fisher will be happy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I want. I'm hoping three. If there's three, I think I'm going back to Pixel. A base pixel.

[David]

You should, because I hate Samsung's UI mice, dude.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I finally. I like their UI. Ever since One UI 7, I've had the weirdest, random things that just happen to my phone all the time and I'm so sick of it. And they never happened on my Android. Other problems.

[Marques Brownlee]

The Android 16 beta on my Pixel 9 Pro XL is so nice. It's nice even though it's still buggy and even though it still has terrible battery life. That look of. What are we calling it again?

[David]

Material? Expressive.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, Material three Expressive.

[David]

Awful name.

[Marques Brownlee]

Whatever it's called, it's. It's. It's nice, it's playful, it's. But it's still clean. It's not too messy.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Being an Android user is such a toxic relationship.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I've been having those same bugs, but I refuse to go back because it just looks so good.

[Marques Brownlee]

It does look so good. So I'm excited for like a final, finished, clean, bugless version of that on this new phone with a TSMC design chip and amazing silicon carbon battery and all this other stuff. That's totally not gonna happen.

[David]

But yeah, yeah, I mean, it'll have the TSMC chip. I don't know about the silicon carbon battery. We'll see. Yeah, okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, if I could design my dream pixel, it would just be this design that color, right? Give me. Yeah, whatever, give me yellow, I don't care. But give me the great cameras, obviously. Give me super fast charging silicon carbon battery, 6,000 milliamp hours, and give me like Snapdragon 8 Elite Performance. I don't care how you do it. TSMC Design, Switch, Qualcomm, whatever you gotta do. Give me great performance and I'm all in.

[David]

And make it a trifle.

[Marques Brownlee]

The display is already pretty good. Trifold. Not happening. Google has a lot of work to do.

[David]

No headphone jack.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm there with the pixel. Okay, I'm right there.

[David]

Well, I guess we'll see soon because the Official event is August 20th.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is coming soon, which is a.

[David]

Wednesday, so we'll be recording on that day.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[David]

All right, speaking of trivia.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think.

[David]

That Was the wrong button.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Whoops, wrong way. Hold on.

[David]

There we go.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Also, wait, we weren't talking about. Okay, all right, trivia. So here's a question for you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I'm gonna read a few quick short reviews of a phone and you have to tell me what phone it is.

[David]

Who wrote the reviews?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I will tell you.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Oh, all right.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

From Wired. Positively noted its design, battery life, performance and stock Android os, but disliked the camera and built in speakers and gadget. Praised its build quality, edge to edge display performance, battery life and clean build of Android 7.1.1, but criticized the screen's brightness and lack of a headphone jack.

[David]

Ifixit I already know what the phone this is.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Gave the phone a 1 out of 10 in terms of repairability because it is almost impossible to open without freezing and ultimately breaking it.

[David]

I definitely.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Tech reviewer Marques Brownlee gave the phone an award.

[David]

That's cheating. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know what it is.

[David]

I already know.

[Marques Brownlee]

I already know what it is. I also know.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

We'll see. We'll see if you know what it is.

[David]

There was a conversation about this this week on the Internet.

[Marques Brownlee]

I gave it an award. Yeah, I did.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I think I remember what the word looks like.

[Marques Brownlee]

What the award looks like. Who?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I really hope you guys get this one wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The trophy from that year was different.

[David]

Right?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Can I get an extra point for what material the trophy was made out of?

[David]

No, because you ordered it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I was gonna say.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

I'll give you an extra point if you want another lobster question.

[Marques Brownlee]

I would love another lobster question.

[Ellis Rover]

All right, Looks like it's a three. It's a three question episode, guys. All right, which of the following lobsters are found in US waters? Hit it, Adam. The spiny lobster. It's so early. A, the spiny lobster, B, the true lobster, C, the squat lobster, or D, the musical furry lobster. The musical furry lobster.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's freaky.

[Ellis Rover]

Well, let's make it freaky, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yo.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Wait, why? Because it's furry? Because I sent you a furry crab the other day and said, ain't this free?

[Ellis Rover]

Yeah, but is it a musical furry crab?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

How can anybody be thing be furry when it's underwater?

[Ellis Rover]

Guys, don't Google that question.

[David]

I was gonna. Furry crab.

[Ellis Rover]

No, Be careful, guys. What do you think the heaviest lobster ever observed in US waters was? This is not for points.

[David]

30 pounds.

[Ellis Rover]

It was 45 pounds.

[Marques Brownlee]

I bet I was pretty close.

[Ellis Rover]

We eat jumbo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, we eating good. Yeah, that's wild. All right, well, anyway, we're gonna think about the answers to the trivia questions. We swear, and we'll be right back.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Race the rudders.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Raise the sails.

[David]

Raise the sails.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Captain, an unidentified ship is approaching.

[David]

Over. Roger, wait. Is that an enterprise sales solution?

[Marques Brownlee]

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[Ellis Rover]

Abercrombie is an official fashion partner of the NFL and I'm CeeDee Lamb, wide.

[Marques Brownlee]

Receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

You know I'm here for Abercrombie's Cowboys gear.

[Ellis Rover]

That's not a question, but I need a whole wardrobe to go with it.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

No shade to the guys, but I'm used to having the best tunnel fits.

[Marques Brownlee]

This season, Abercrombie has me covered. Shop NFL by Abercrombie in the app.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Online and in store.

[Marques Brownlee]

When did making plans get this complicated?

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's time to streamline with WhatsApp, the.

[David]

Secure messaging app that brings the whole group together.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Use polls to settle dinner plans, send event invites and pin messages so no.

[David]

One forgets mom's 60th and never miss.

[Andrew Manganelli]

A meme or milestone. All protected with end to end encryption. It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone.

[David]

Learn [e-mail] welcome back. This is the last episode that you will be seeing this month which means it's time for Crown or Clown our monthly Ish because we didn't do last month segment where basically we talk about the best thing that happened in the tech sphere this month and the worst thing. So we're going to go around talk about our things. Ellis is going to kick us off.

[Ellis Rover]

With a horrible I saw someone do something goofy this week and you know I like to think of myself. I like to think of this room as SeaWorld and myself as Shamu and America's billionaire class as all sitting in the splash zone and I will take any opportunity I get to just drench them in embarrassment. And Today's Goofball Moneybag McDoukey head is none other than OpenAI CEO Sam Altman who in the most tone deaf way possible announced that him and Oracle and SoftBank will be increasing their power usage by 4.5 gigawatts. That is the same amount of electricity as around 4 million US households, which would increase the total number of households households on the U.S. grid by 3%. Sam, why do you think people are stoked on this?

[Marques Brownlee]

That sounds.

[Andrew Manganelli]

How's the orb doing?

[Ellis Rover]

Yeah, how's that?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Or doing?

[David]

Is it clown. More clowns first.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have more clowns.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, do a clown.

[David]

Drop one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Olaf Gustafson.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Who's that?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, duh. The guy tried to get away with the Escobar thing. He's going to federal prison now.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

In his defense, he did get away with it for a little bit.

[Marques Brownlee]

The FBI was on his ass for like five years.

[Andrew Manganelli]

And also he made like $300,000.

[David]

Not that much money. Yeah, he could have made more money at a tech company.

[Marques Brownlee]

He could have got a job with a Meta.

[David]

That's like an $80,000.

[Andrew Manganelli]

He could have just worked remote for like five different tech companies at the same time.

[Ellis Rover]

Yeah, but all that crime bought him a three bedroom home in Milwaukee.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's true. That's true.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Did it?

[Ellis Rover]

I don't know.

[Andrew Manganelli]

That's what I would think.

[Ellis Rover]

I would assume that is about $300,000.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I bet that's more expensive in Milwaukee.

[David]

Adams, clown time.

[Ellis Rover]

I'm looking at four bedrooms for 250 here.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay.

[Ellis Rover]

Milwaukee's hot.

[David]

Milwaukee's milhoti.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

All right. My clown is the Fujifilm X half.

[David]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

That happened this month.

[David]

You hated it.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I didn't hate it. I just think it's not worth.

[David]

Also, wasn't that last month?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, we didn't do last month, so.

[David]

No, that wasn't last because we talked about it.

[Marques Brownlee]

This one.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Oh, yeah, yeah, we talked about it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sony. Is that $5,000? Sony.

[David]

Well, I need to see it first.

[Andrew Manganelli]

RX1R.

[David]

I need to RX1R3. I need to use it before I say it's a crown product.

[Ellis Rover]

Could be a crown product.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's very fair of you. Thank you.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

That's correct.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah.

[David]

Fair guy.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

All right, we want to switch it to crowns.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I have one that could be either. And I'll let you guys, ambiguous Fortnite released Fantastic Four skins.

[Marques Brownlee]

Fantastic.

[David]

We say that on the bot.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. I'm going, they're skins for a game.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I'm going Fantastic Four clown for the thing itself. Crown for that headline for the cr.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was gonna go the other way around actually, but yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

If you want to play like Fantastic Four. I don't see what we're all laughing about.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Did those actually come out or was.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It a. I think they came out.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I thought it was like a random.

[Marques Brownlee]

Everybody was waiting for them.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I don't want to tell.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Do not Google that.

[David]

My clown was that when Apple, like removed a bunch of the liquid glass and they made.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was my crown.

[David]

But they have now brought back a lot of the liquid.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. For those who haven't been following this liquid glass at wwdc, everywhere, everything is clear, crystal clear. Can't read a damn thing, it's so liquid. And then they ship this beta to everyone, the first developer beta. So not everyone. Developer beta starts getting tested by people and yeah, it is a kind of a readability disaster. Right. So what happens is in beta 2, when it comes out a few weeks later, people download it and they notice, oh, there's actually a lot of liquid glass backtracking. There's a lot more frosted glass.

[David]

Wasn't it beta 3 that they added.

[Marques Brownlee]

That and beta 3 even more. So beta 2 and beta 3, they walked back a lot of the liquid glass to the point where it was actually very similar. I mean, obviously there's lots of still shiny reflective stuff, but a lot of the like floating bubbly elements from before now had like a frosted background or had like a gradient behind them to make them more readable. Then beta 4 comes out and liquid glass is back.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And they've gone back and they've gotten rid of that gradient and they're going back to a lot of the liquidy stuff and they're still playing with it and some of the like Gaussian blur elements happening along with the refraction around the edges. It's still liquid glass, but they are for sure still tweaking it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

As of this recording. That was my clown, actually. My crown. Oh, your crown. My crown. Is that liquid back?

[David]

Nice. Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

My crown is the Fuji X half because I loved using it.

[David]

So why did you hate it then?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Because it's so expensive.

[David]

Oh yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

But it's so fun.

[David]

I mean, I feel like we're just starting to see now that products are launching, we're just starting to see like tariff effects. Right. I feel like the Sony and the Fuji were both subject to that. And that's like why they're so expensive. Everything is feeling drastically overpriced now because of the like tariff chaos. And it's not even the fact that they're like, are tariffs in place? Because that changes every freaking day. It's the fact that companies can't predict if there's going to be terrorists in place, so they have to price things higher.

[Marques Brownlee]

Safety net.

[David]

Yeah, it's like safety nets.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So they're so sad that they have to price everything so High. It's really.

[David]

They're gonna make more money if there's no more tariffs. Yeah. Okay. So my. My crown is that the giant insurance company no longer owns our DNA data, and it was sold back to Susan Wojcicki's sister.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Which is dope. Hopefully, she owned 23, so. 23andMe. Yeah. The. The old CEO of 23andMe has bought back the data. So no longer, hopefully, will our genetic data be sold to insurance companies for at least a couple more years. Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm sure that it will at some point, but the longer we can starve off these companies from denying my insurance claims, the better.

[Andrew Manganelli]

She's going to start an AI firm with it.

[David]

So that was my first crown. My second crown is that we did a live show, and it was cool.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The live show is awesome.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

We're the crown, baby.

[David]

It's like in Mario Kart world, when you're in first place and you suddenly have a little crown on. That's how I'm feeling right now.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I'm saying, wait, I want to change my crown. Donkey Kong Bonanza.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

So we all agree the crown is us, right?

[David]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

We are tech.

[David]

We are technology.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Why are you thinking about this? Yeah, dude, come on.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right.

[Ellis Rover]

We put a lot of work into that.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

He's like, I don't know that. Beta 4, man.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm still thinking about glass.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I'm still confused. You like that it's going back to nothing, not being able to be rich.

[David]

I like it.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I. Yeah, I like that.

[David]

I can't understand it.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a bit sarcastic, but it's kind of just that, like, liquid. If you follow this on online, on Twitter and threads, like, people are, like, rooting for it to be back, and then there are other people who are like, this is terrible. So it's causing so much, like, commentary. It's one of the weird instances of us clearly seeing Apple listening to the Internet and feedback that they've gotten, which is maybe that's kind of nice, but it is clearly affecting.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's the way it looks nice and a sign of the times that, like, is Apple scared? A little bit.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, I don't mind that. Like, we can frame it so many different ways. Like, if any other company goes and comes out with a software that looks a little bit janky, and we're like, whoa, this is bad. And then through three beta updates in three weeks, it suddenly looks way better. We'd all be like, oh, nice. They're Actually listening to us. But if it's Apple, it's like, oh, they're scared. Or maybe they're. It's kind of. We just frame it.

[David]

The reason is because Apple is the company that always said, you don't know what you want. We're going to show you that is true. And then now they're like listening to people on Twitter, which is the worst possible thing. This is actually like the fact that they have, that they, they backtracked on it at first. And then people, because this is like the perfect encapsulation of the Internet, right? They announce something. Everyone's like, it's garbage. It's horrible, it's impossible.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that they're like, oh, mixed in with legit concerns.

[David]

Change it back to like frost it. And then everyone's like, what the heck?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Why did you change it?

[David]

I was like, because it's different.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's. I think the fallacy that I find online is because it's coming from the same website, we assume it's all the same people, but it's two different loud groups of people.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So there's one really loud group that's like, I hate everything you do. And I just, I saw this thing you came out with and it sucks. So I'm gonna be really loud about how much it sucks. And that group is saying, yeah, well that group's on Twitter and then they go back and they change it and they frost it. And now it's like less liquidy but more readable. And then the other loud group on Twitter is like, why are you listening to that other loud group? Like, it was fine. You spent all these years developing this crazy new thing. You're just gonna listen to a week of tweets and change it back. You're an idiot. What are you doing? So now you're listening to all these loud people on Twitter again. And so you're flip flopping now and it's just a mess. Gotta make up their mind.

[David]

There was a comment on our YouTube channel a couple weeks ago that said this podcast is like listening to a bunch of Apple fanboys that hate Apple. And I was like, so we're doing our job. And that's. That's basically the encapsulation of Twitter.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just leave Apple alone.

[David]

Just leave them alone.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Just leave them alone.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Leave my sweet child alone. Question for you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Do you think that. So here's my conspiracy brain going. I wonder how much of this is just to keep people excited talking about it. Because in my head, the design of the new OS has probably been done for like a year. Like, I don't know if they're actually going back and forth changing things this quickly for something that's gonna drop to a billion phones. You know, it is.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Here's the thing. It is changing. Like, they're shipping these betas and they are actually shipping to everyone in the. In the developer community these different versions of it. And I guess if there's a conspiracy world where they have these ready to go to keep people talking about how liquidy it's gonna be to keep them on the Internet, like, talking about it, that that could be interesting. But I just think the whole point of the beta is to ship it to the people who will test it and then take the feedback for how well it works, how buggy it is, how legible it's going to be, and then ship another beta that's better, and then take more feedback and ship another beta that's better. And this is them probably working really hard to try to find a balance between all the liquid that they showed and all the concerns that the beta testers have found and trying to land somewhere in the middle at a reasonable. Maybe iconic, maybe they ditched this in two years, but a liquidy, glassy look that defines their next couple years of software.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

IOS 26. Already iconic.

[Marques Brownlee]

Already iconic. Question mark, maybe. Maybe. I don't regret that title one bit, by the way.

[David]

So, yeah, my haters.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Ready?

[David]

All right.

[Marques Brownlee]

So clown.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Yeah. Oh, what is that?

[Marques Brownlee]

Do we have to agree? Yeah.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Sam Allman.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, sure.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis Rover]

What color is that underwater freak's blood?

[David]

Oh, is that the first one?

[Ellis Rover]

Yeah.

[David]

The first question is really not what I think it is.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just want to say I think.

[Ellis Rover]

We'Re about to get three wrong answers because all of you are underestimating how freaky this guy is.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just want to say that when I thought I was remembering that I just learned this. I actually had just googled octopus blood yesterday. So I'm now back to square one of just.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Would the freakiest color be probably limoncello.

[David]

That new color that they just discovered by beaming lasers into people's eyes?

[Ellis Rover]

All right, flip these boards, guys. All right, we all have different colors. Say it.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Okay, who Marquez first?

[Marques Brownlee]

I said green.

[Andrew Manganelli]

I said blue.

[David]

I said yellow.

[Ellis Rover]

But, Andrew, you did say the freakiest color would be clear, which is the correct answer.

[David]

These dudes are freakies. Is clear a color?

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[Ellis Rover]

Oh, my God. You're really gonna hit me with that? Yeah, you're really gonna hit me with that right now.

[David]

I don't think that's even a color.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nobody got points.

[Ellis Rover]

What should I have said? What Apple design is like? What is it like?

[Marques Brownlee]

You're telling me they bleed liquid.

[Ellis Rover]

You want to ask what does a lobster's blood look like inside its body? What kind of question is that? This is a family show.

[Marques Brownlee]

You should have phrased it. What do lobsters and iOS 26 beta 4 have in here?

[Ellis Rover]

What is the opacity slider of lobster blood set at 2.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Also, crabs also have typically gray or colorless before binding.

[David]

Colorless.

[Ellis Rover]

I'm not letting this go, bro.

[David]

If color lists, then it's not a color.

[Ellis Rover]

Crabs represent order.

[David]

Clear. Isn't it?

[Ellis Rover]

Lobsters represent chaos. Adam, please read the score.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

The score? Marquez with 32, Andrew with 22. Are you giving him that point for saying clear?

[David]

No.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Okay, so now 22. David with 36.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dang.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Nice swifty reference. Okay, question six.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dang. Oof.

[David]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is it.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

These are the scores that you guys are going into the trivia extravaganza with, by the way. So no pressure. Do you want me to reread the reviews or do you just want to get.

[David]

I know what it is.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

You know what it is?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David]

Well, actually, no, Do.

[Marques Brownlee]

Re.

[David]

Do. Reread it for the audience.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Okay. Okay. So Wired said positively noted its design, battery life and performance and stock Android os, but disliked the camera and built in speaker.

[David]

Wait, stock Android os?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Stock Android os.

[David]

Oh, no.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Engadget praised its build quality, edge to edge display performance, battery life and clean build of Android 7.1.1, but criticized the screen's brightness and the lack of a headphone jack. IFixit gave the phone a 1 out of 10 in terms of repairability because it's almost impossible to open without freezing and ultimately breaking it. And then you guys cut me off before Marques Brown leaves. But I'm not going to say it because that might give it away.

[Marques Brownlee]

I gave it an award.

[David]

7.1.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

7.1.1.

[Marques Brownlee]

These are all like, summarized stock Android.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Wiki, by the way.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dang.

[David]

I got all excited.

[Andrew Manganelli]

On its own on the wiki.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

On the wiki?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

It says all this on the wiki?

[Marques Brownlee]

My awards on the wiki? Yeah. Wow.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

It's the last one, but it is there.

[David]

Hey, so like the Wikipedia page for this phone? Yes, exactly.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, all right.

[Ellis Rover]

What's the title of that Wikipedia page?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Read the URL today.

[Marques Brownlee]

Read the URL real quick. Just the HTTP. How did I.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Everyone ask a question. I'll just argue about something after.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Okay, flip it and read.

[Marques Brownlee]

What do we got?

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I can't see. Marquez, what did you say?

[Marques Brownlee]

I said the essential pH1, Andrew.

[Andrew Manganelli]

The essential pH1.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Correct. You both get it.

[David]

David, what you said is that really stock Android.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

That's what I'm just reading the reviews, man. David, what did. What did you say?

[David]

I essentially said something similar.

[Marques Brownlee]

I read your board, David. You had a Nexus up there, didn't you?

[David]

Yeah, because he said stalking. At first, I thought this was going to be the Galaxy S6, but I'm.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Pretty sure the award was like a green marvel.

[Marques Brownlee]

A6 had a headphone jack.

[David]

Yes.

[Ellis Rover]

Guys, more importantly, which of the following lobsters live in US Waters? Let's go. A, the spiny lobster, B, the true lobster. C, the squat lobster. Or D, the musical furry lobster.

[David]

Again, A, is that real?

[Ellis Rover]

U.S. waters.

[Andrew Manganelli]

U.S. waters.

[Ellis Rover]

U%.S. Territorial waters. A, spiny lobster, B, true lobster, C, squat lobster. D, the musical furry lobster. Rock lobster.

[David]

Rock lobster.

[Ellis Rover]

Love that song.

[Marques Brownlee]

Classic.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Classic.

[Ellis Rover]

All right, let's hear it, boys.

[Marques Brownlee]

In the cold waters of Maine, we all got the answer. Spiny lobster.

[Ellis Rover]

That is correct. However, the true lobster was also a correct answer. I gave you a 50% chance because aren't I so kind?

[Andrew Manganelli]

Is a squat lobster a real lobster?

[Ellis Rover]

Those are all real lobsters.

[David]

They just don't live in the.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Well, No, I just thought it was. Oh, there was a lot of question.

[Ellis Rover]

The musical furry lobster is up for debate. Whether it's a real lobster. It is in the same family as lobster, but it is not in the same sub.

[Marques Brownlee]

What part is up for debate?

[Ellis Rover]

So it's like limes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, limes.

[Ellis Rover]

So, like, like, like, what about limes? What we eat? I really. Okay, we're at a time crunch, so we're gonna.

[David]

Are they actually lemons, the limes we.

[Ellis Rover]

Eat in the U.S. yeah, right. Whether those are actually limes or not is up for debate because that lime is. Is a crossbreed between a Persian lime or. Yeah, a Persian lime and a lemon. And that's why they don't have seeds.

[David]

Oh, that's kind of dope.

[Ellis Rover]

But they're not. They're not like limes. Like. Like, if you were to go to prehistoric era, you would not see those colloquially. Limes, they're what we know of as. They're what we most commonly sell in the US as limes, because they're a little less sour, they're a little sweeter, and they have a longer shelf life when in stores.

[Marques Brownlee]

And so the lobster.

[Ellis Rover]

So this lobster is like the same type beet where it's like, like, technically, it shares enough genetic information with a classical lobster that it's like, this is the lobster. But it also has some funny business thrown in there.

[David]

Yeah, that's kind of the deep sea.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Squat lobster is not a lobster.

[Ellis Rover]

What is it?

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's an a namora. It's more closely resembling a hermit crab.

[Ellis Rover]

What's a hermit.

[Marques Brownlee]

A crab.

[Andrew Manganelli]

It's not a crab. It's very confusing and we definitely don't have time for this, but okay, yes. I just remember reading a lot about it during the whole lobster crab thing.

[David]

One last point. The music. The scientific name for the musical furry lobster is Polypithus magnificus.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's awesome.

[David]

Which, by the way, sounds like a Harry Potter. Magnificent. So they can't be freaky if they're magnificent, you know, or both.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

I guess I just want to say. We keep saying we don't have time for this.

[David]

Sorry.

[Ellis Rover]

All right. That's freaky and magnificent.

[David]

That's true.

[Ellis Rover]

Guys, can we.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hey, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. This has been a fantastic underwater episode of the Waveform podcast. And Crown or clown. We'll be back very soon with a trivia extravag.

[Ellis Rover]

They might be crabs.

[Marques Brownlee]

Get subscribed to see it and to see who wins and use their points the most wisely. See you soon. Later.

[Andrew Manganelli]

Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rover and we're partnered with Vox Media podcast network and our troucher music was created by Vane Silver. I also just saw a picture of a hermit crab and without the shell and it's the grossest thing I've ever seen.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Martha listens to her favorite band all the time.

[Andrew Manganelli]

In the car, gym, even sleeping.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

So when they finally went on tour, Martha bundled her flight and hotel on Expedia to see them live.

[Andrew Manganelli]

She saved so much, she got a.

[MKBHD Producer or Co-host]

Seat close enough to actually see and hear them. Sort of. You were made to scream from the front row. We were made to quietly save you. More Expedia made to travel. Savings vary and subject to availability. Flight inclusive packages are atoll protected.