Samsung’s Tri-Fold Phone is Coming!

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast – "Samsung’s Tri-Fold Phone is Coming!"

Date: July 18, 2025
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Adam Molina
Produced by: Vox Media Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, the Waveform crew dives into the latest rumors and leaks about Samsung’s upcoming tri-fold phone, speculates on Google’s merging of Chrome OS and Android, discusses the next steps in wireless charging with Qi2.2, and shares first impressions of new gadgets including the Sony RX1R III camera, the Samsung Galaxy Watch 8 Classic, and Oakley x Meta smart glasses. The episode features engaging banter, in-depth analysis, live reactions to breaking news, and a classic round of tech trivia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Google Merging Chrome OS and Android (03:05–09:38)

• Rumor Confirmed: Google is working to combine Chrome OS and Android into a unified platform.
  • Samir Samat (Google) confirmed the merge to TechRadar, explaining that creating a seamless Apple-like ecosystem is the goal.
  • The Pixelbook team is reportedly developing hardware to showcase this.
• Benefits & Skepticism:
  • Hosts discuss how this move could enhance file syncing, unlock “desktop mode” for phones, and help Google challenge Apple’s ecosystem advantages.
  • Debate on who will use these features: “I'm just like wondering who has a display that is just sitting around where they're like, perfect time to plug in my phone to a display.”
    — David (07:43)
  • Adam supports the dream of “one computer for everything,” seeing more value in bringing Chrome OS desktop features to Android.

2. Qi2.2 Wireless Charging & MagSafe Standardization (09:38–13:40)

• Qi2.2 Announced:
  • Fast wireless charging up to 25W now part of the cross-brand standard.
  • Apple has worked with the Wireless Power Consortium to integrate MagSafe-like magnets.
• Support and Terminology Confusion:
  • “Is it QI2 or QI2 ready?”: Devices with "Qi2" require magnets; "Qi2-ready" means accessories could add magnets.
  • It’s uncertain how many upcoming Android phones (e.g., Pixel 10) will support the full standard or only some features.
  • Upcoming products from Belkin, Anker, and Ugreen are now Qi2.2 certified.

3. Camera Chat: Sony RX1R III Unveiled (20:12–31:57)

• High-End Compact Camera Ecosystem:
  • The RX1R III returns after a decade, entering a niche with the Fuji X100VI, Leica Q3, and Ricoh GR III.
  • Details: Fixed-lens, full-frame, 61MP, priced at $5100.
  • Critique: No IBIS, lackluster color modes, and specs don’t justify the price—especially with tough competition from Fuji and Leica.
  • “This camera makes the RF seem like a steal at $4,900, and it makes the Q3 seem reasonable, which is wild.”
    — David (28:58)
• Who Is This For?:
  • Discussion on collector culture versus using “pocketable” cameras with astronomical budgets.
  • “At that point ... buying it less about the capability of the camera and more just about the feeling...”
    — Marques (26:53)

4. Samsung Tri-Fold Phone Rumors Confirmed (40:02–51:47)

• Rumors Become Real:
  • TM Roh (Samsung) confirms plans to launch the tri-fold phone this year.
  • Detailed discussion of leaked One UI 8 animations shows how the phone folds “middle out,” like a science fair trifold board.
• Design Analysis:
  • Left and right panels fold over the center; camera bump always faces outward, preventing screen scratches. Visual metaphors help the audio visualization.
  • “...this is just imagine opening like a menu, right? ...If you ever did the science fair as a kid, ...you had the trifold...”
    — Marques (43:16)
• Practical Challenges:
  • Worries about accidental incorrect folding—a likely support/repair headache for Samsung.
  • Speculation about a hardware lock to prevent mis-folds.
• Market Position and Pricing:
  • Expected price range: $2,500–$3,000.
  • “...they're going to have to show examples of things that you want the tri fold for that they wouldn't have already shown us for the dual fold.”
    — Marques (51:52)
  • Potential use cases: portable laptops, extended Dex modes, tablet-replacement.

5. Gadget Unboxings & First Impressions

a. Samsung Galaxy Watch 8 Classic (53:50–59:14)

• Design:
  • Bi-directional rotating bezel is “loose,” less premium feeling.
  • “The bezel is a bi directional bezel ... very easy to move, I’m assuming because it controls aspects of the UI.”
    — Adam (55:28)
  • 46mm size is large on most wrists, but retains classic dive watch visuals.
• Features:
  • Minimal difference versus Watch 7, except for brighter screen and rotating bezel.
  • Value proposition challenged, with Watch 7 sharply discounted.

b. Meta x Oakley Smart Glasses (67:03–74:09)

• Design & Features:
  • Beige (“bone”) over-the-top Oakley frame, camera in center, similar to Snap Spectacles styling.
  • “They look like if... you tried to make the 2012 equivalent of John Lennon sunglasses, but with thick white frames.”
    — Ellis (69:49)
  • Battery and camera upgrades over past Meta Ray Bans, but looks are divisive.
• Functionality:
  • POV camera, AI assistant voice interface, video quality praised but only captures vertical format.
  • “As a product, what they offer... a camera on your face. And the POV video aspect ... most gravitating towards.”
    — Marques (72:20)

6. EV & In-Car Tech Updates

• Rivian:
  • Navigation update: deeper integration with Google Maps; now supports real-time traffic, satellite view, tap-to-explore POIs.
• Tesla:
  • Model Y L: a new, longer, three-row SUV for China, positioning to replace the Model X’s utility at a lower price.
  • Model X’s future questioned; Model Y L could cannibalize its own flagship sibling.

7. Fun Moments & Live Reactions

• Google Event News Drop (46:14–47:23):
  • Live on air, they receive the Made by Google event invite for August 20th in Brooklyn, teasing Pixel 10, new Pixel Bud Pros, and possibly Chrome OS/Android news.
• Marques’s World Games Team Announcement (47:34–48:39):
  • Marquez will represent Team USA at the World Games in China, discussing potential time zone/broadcasting logistics.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Google/Chrome OS merge:

• “Phones and laptops just need to be one thing. ...Google never wanted to make a Mac competitor OS, even though I wish they would.”
  — David (03:14)

On Samsung's tri-fold excitement:

• “The intuitiveness of people who buy the fold... not able to use her S pen anymore... it’s gonna be nicer for her...”
  — David (44:23)

On the RX1R III camera price:

• “The problem is many fold. Except that it doesn’t fold. That’s one of the problems.”
  — David (24:53)

On the Oakley Meta smart glasses:

• “I hate that I kind of like them.”
  — Ellis (70:27)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:05 | Google confirms Chrome OS & Android merge, Pixelbook rumors | | 09:38 | Qi2.2 wireless charging standard and accessory ecosystem | | 20:12 | Sony RX1R III & compact camera market analysis | | 40:02 | Samsung Tri-Fold phone leak walkthrough, folding design discussion | | 46:14 | Breaking: Google event (Pixel 10) invite arrives live on air | | 53:50 | Samsung Galaxy Watch 8 Classic unboxing & first impressions | | 67:03 | Oakley x Meta smart glasses hands-on, design, and market fit | | 75:47 | Rivian Google Maps update; Tesla Model Y L and X future |

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Trivia and Audience Engagement

Tech Trivia (Throughout, especially 33:07, 63:48):

• Fun, often intentionally obscure questions covering Qi charging, Pixel hardware, Samsung’s watch history, and '90s hip hop apparel (the answer: FUBU).
• “The point of trivia is ... everybody here learned something.” —Marques (84:27)

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Tone, Style & Flow

The episode is energetic, unscripted, and full of classic Waveform banter: from slick segues and running jokes about battery life, to hot takes on obscure tech history and genuine live surprise at breaking news. Technical analysis is balanced with personal anecdotes and speculative fun, providing an engaging experience for casual listeners and hardcore tech fans alike.

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For full details and all the in-jokes, check out the episode, but this summary covers all the big themes and memorable moments!

Transcript

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[C]

David, talk me out of a Ricoh GR3.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

I was literally opening the B and H page for it. I'm gonna not get the HDF one. Does it cost more for that? Look, you're insane to pay 100 bucks.

[C]

More for the GR III HD.

[B]

What is HDF?

[C]

High diffusion filter.

[D]

High diffusion filter.

[B]

What does that mean?

[C]

It just makes it look like a memory.

[E]

It makes it look like you. You took the camera and went.

[C]

That's exactly what it does.

[A]

And you spent 100 bucks more for that when you could just. Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[E]

I'm Andrew.

[D]

And I'm David.

[A]

And we're back to our regularly scheduled programming. But I'm only saying that because this A couple days ago, we went live for our exactly 300th episode live on YouTube. Anyway, then we published to the feed as well. But if you were there, thanks for hanging out with us. It was. It was a good time. We just talked to chat for an hour.

[E]

It was chaotic but very fun. Yeah, we were only 10 minutes late.

[D]

Yeah, not bad.

[E]

Not bad.

[D]

Not Linus level.

[A]

It was a good time.

[E]

Also, if you missed it, it probably means you're not subscribed.

[A]

Ooh.

[D]

And don't have the Bell on.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Bing.

[A]

Bing.

[E]

So what's with that?

[A]

So get subscribed. So the next time we go live, which we did have a good time, we might as well do that again at some point. But if we go live again, subscribers will be the first to know that that is happening. This week, though, we've got some more fun stuff. Samsung Trifold. We gotta talk about this interesting rumor. We also have some unboxings to do on this podcast today. Oh, we gotta talk about QI2. Cause we always have to talk about QI2. We always have to talk about. But first, some interesting Google News. Alleged Google News. Anyway, Google confirms it's combining Chrome OS and Android into a singular platform. Yes, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what that looks like, because I know what Android is.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And I know what Chrome OS is. And so what device should we want to see both combined into one on? And why would that be a good thing?

[D]

Well, glad you asked, Marques. Yeah, I think in Google's perspective, phones and laptops just sort of need to be one thing. And you can see them doing that right in the Android 16. They're making it so you can plug in your phone to a display. You can basically use Chrome, like Chrome os.

[A]

And on Chromebooks, you've been able to run Android apps.

[D]

Exactly, yeah. And so that makes sense for them because Apple has this, like, very diverse ecosystem of devices. They all kind of like mesh well together and they do that. But Google never wanted to make a Mac competitor os, even though I wish they would, because it would be great. It'd be great, but they don't want to do that. So I think in their perspective, it makes more sense to just like make a phone that can be a computer and make a computer that can be a phone. They have said for many years that they're like sharing elements of the kernels with each other to make it so they're more compatible. And over the last couple of years, we see Google pushing updates to Chrome OS to kind of like let your messages sync more freely from your phone and let this happen more freely from your phone.

[A]

Sounds great.

[D]

It sounds great. But at the end of the day, Chrome OS is still Chrome os. Right. That's like always the thing. It's like the big asterisk. That's like, okay. And yeah, I can run Android apps on this, but it's still, it's still not really as powerful as, like a laptop. But now that phones are becoming laptop powered in a lot of different ways, I think it makes more sense to Just combine them. So I don't know if they're gonna like rename this or if they're just going to still say it's Chrome os but it's like running Android effectively. What happened is that Samir Samat, who is a big, big guy at Google, he confirmed to TechRadar in an interview that they're going to be combining these platforms. Because he asked the interviewer, hey, so why are you using an iPhone and a MacBook and AirPods? Like, what, what, what is it about those things that you're like, you like better that you can't do on our stuff? And he's like, oh, well, I like the ecosystem. I like that they like, work well together. I like it. And he goes, yeah, okay, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, that's why we're like merging our platforms and we're, we're turning them to. He just like dropped it casually in the.

[A]

Okay, sick.

[D]

Yeah. So I don't know when this is going to happen. Obviously it could be a multi year thing that they've been planning for a very long time. I think everyone kind of anticipated this. But on top of this, there is this big rumor that Google is currently working on a new Pixel Book. There's like a team of people at Google that has been confirmed are working on a new pixelbook. So it would be very cool if this Pixel Book came out and they were like, Chrome OS is dead. Android is just now everything. Which I think would make sense for Google. Whoa. Never heard of that before.

[A]

Wild. Yeah, interesting. Okay.

[D]

Yeah, so it'd be cool if it was just like Android Laptop and Chrome OS is just gone.

[A]

I'm looking forward to a new interesting pixelbook. That would be fun.

[D]

The pixelbook Go was very, very good and very like quite affordable. Very cheap, very fun.

[E]

What was the really expensive one? Was that just the Chromebook Pixel. The Chromebook Pixel. That's what I'm thinking.

[D]

The first one.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

From back in the day, it looked so cool.

[D]

It looked like a.

[A]

It was fire.

[D]

I love the MacBook, but it was like more squared off and it had.

[A]

The RGB lights on it, on the lid.

[D]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

Kind of fire. That's why I want to see another, like good metal.

[D]

I love that one.

[E]

The two tone, that's what I was.

[D]

Yeah, the second generation Pixel Book that was like insanely thin and had the two tone. That was awesome. I used that for years. And like the benefit of Chrome OS was that it just keeps getting updated constantly. So it's like, you know, it's kind of limited by the processor, but it never really felt limited, so.

[E]

Well, the. The benefit of changing Chrome OS to Android OS or whatever we call it is a bunch of children in schools learning how to use Android before they buy their iPhone and then maybe buy an Android instead.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, if they made it like pair even better with your phone, like, it just naturally had all of your files or something like that. If there was some sort of like, local file syn, that would be pretty amazing.

[C]

Isn't that kind of already what Chrome OS does? Like, if you log in with your, like, Gmail account at school, it'll just have all your Google Drive files.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, as long as you have literally everything in Google cloud services, which is what they want.

[A]

Yeah. If you're a Google guy. Yeah, Big Google guy over here.

[C]

I'm more interested in the Chrome OS part coming to Android less so that.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[E]

What specifically about Chrome OS do you.

[C]

Want to the whole plug in your com, your phone to a monitor and then have a computer? Like, that's the part that I'm super hyped on.

[D]

I'm happy for you, Adam. Like, I'm happy for you and I'm happy for all those Dex fans and Android on display fans out there. I'm just like, wondering who has a display that is just sitting around where they're like, perfect time to plug in my phone to a display.

[C]

It's. I think a lot of people do. Like, a lot of people go to work and just have like their monitors at work, you know, and then you go home. And if, even if you don't have like a home computer type of situation set up, most people have phones. So to not have to buy a whole new computer just for home and just to have your displays and you go from place to place. I mean, this has been the dream for years that everyone has been trying forever, but this is finally, potentially maybe could happen.

[A]

I feel like it's like the dream of a modular phone. Like, this dream of one computer for everything also gets resurrected and dies every couple years.

[E]

With so many people working remote now and with how easy the majority. I'm not saying the job is easy, but how easy the compute is on a lot of jobs. Like, if you're selling insurance or like, there's so many things where you're just on emails and pretty basic, like web apps that any phone we have right now could run it, no problem. And it'd be super easy.

[B]

Any phone.

[A]

Almost any phone.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, it would be great if, you know, you could take your Pixel fold and just be like small screen, big screen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I think right now, what's a little weird is that, like, to have a consistent experience, you have to kind of plug into a monitor, but, like, there's wireless decks, and if they can get that better. And when Google eventually does this, like, if it can work wirelessly, you just don't even take your phone out of your pocket. Like, that's the dream.

[D]

That would be the dream.

[C]

So that's my dream, at least.

[E]

Maybe. Sorry.

[D]

No, you're good. I was just gonna say it's.

[A]

It's.

[D]

It's interesting to say. I'm wondering how when Google sort of announces this more and if we're gonna see stuff at the Pixel event, potentially that's theoretically happening in August.

[E]

So I was gonna say maybe you don't leave in your pocket, you put it on your new Qi 2.2 charger.

[A]

Oh, segue. Wow. Well played.

[E]

Well, we're getting Chi 2.2. More horns.

[D]

Yeah. Qi 2. We did a whole episode about Qi 2 when I first got announced. We did a little deep dive. We did an interview with one of the people at the Wireless Power Consortium about what it is, if you don't know. Basically, Apple kind of like. I don't know if donated is the right word, because they probably are going to get something out of it, but they worked with the Wireless Power Consortium to retrofit magnets into the standard. So now, Mag safe. It's not the exact same array, I don't believe, but it's basically aligning the phone more directly with the wireless power transfer so that it gets more power through it. This aligns pretty well with the rumor that Apple is going to add 45 watt wireless charging to either the next generation of iPhones or after that with MagSafe. But now Qi is expanding the standard and we have moved on to Qi 2.2. So do you want to talk about what it adds?

[E]

It basically has 25 watt charging speeds.

[D]

Nice. Which is good.

[E]

That's awesome. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because it was only 15 before it was limited to 15 G2 was 15 watts. Yeah, yeah, it was great.

[E]

And I mean, we still only had it in that one HMD skyline. And then the iPhone 16s, not the 16e had CH2 support. And then we got into that whole annoying thing of, is it QI2 or is it QI2 ready? Which means it can add the accessories with the magnets. Have they changed anything? Can we still confirm it's Cheetu means magnets So I guess, yes, Cheetu support would just mean it can take the power but doesn't have the magnets.

[D]

Oh, right. Because that's the confusion.

[E]

And I feel like it's changed.

[D]

It was regular QI2 and then they. Chichu ready was the other thing. Chichi ready can be put on a device, meaning it will accessory. There will be an accessory that gives it the magnets. So Cheetu itself requires magnets to say cheetah at all. But you can brand something as chichu ready if you sell an accessory that adds the magnets, which is a lot.

[A]

Of them just bundling a magnet case.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And which is decently.

[C]

There's also chi certified, but like put.

[A]

It in the phone.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

So what if, like, if it has QI2 support or like it's certified QI2.

[D]

That'S like for chargers and stuff, Right?

[E]

But does it have to have. Oh, yeah, maybe you're right.

[D]

I think that's for chargers.

[E]

But so the iPhone 16, I guess it has the magnet, so it can do that. There's some. So I asked this question because there's also rumors that the Pixel 10 will have Qi 2 support, but there's no rumors about it necessarily having the magnets. So would that not be QI2 ready or does that just mean it can take up to the new. The wireless charger?

[D]

I think that would be ready. And then Google will probably sell magnet cases.

[E]

I believe that'd be my unfortunate guess.

[D]

Yeah. But after a very long wait, there are finally some companies that are putting out QI2 accessories.

[E]

2.2 accessories.

[D]

2.2 Accessories. Even better.

[A]

The future is here.

[D]

Yeah. So Belkin Anchor and Ugreen all now have products that are Qi2 certified for 25 watt G2 charging. I. It seems like this is going to be a big push in the next, you know, couple of months because there's all this news coming out. The QI Twitter account, Qi Power Twitter account just tweeted today, as of recording that there is a lot of news coming in about a week, which to me probably just means that it's going to be not a lot of news. Just be like re clarifying like what happened before and saying there are now products on the market that use this, you can actually go buy it.

[E]

That kind of thing, I just realized. So I screenshotted the tweet from the Cheap hour. Remember we were just talking about that 1 billion engagement tweet? Look how many views this tweet has.

[D]

30.

[A]

Yeah. I just was like, is that a super early screenshot? So I went to the cheap. I went to the cheap. Power Twitter. And it currently has 58. Now 59 thanks to me.

[D]

Are we a niche podcast?

[A]

Yeah, we are on the bleeding edge, you guys. We're getting this news to you asap.

[E]

Well, yeah, I wanted to ask a question though, because I was kind of thinking about this before. If you had to guess what, what next phone would actually get Qi 2 support? Like after the HMD skyline. If you had to guess a phone.

[C]

Like oppo phone, the HMD Skyline 2.

[A]

That's actually a really good guess.

[D]

That's not a bad guess because it's been like a year since I came in.

[E]

So I, I was kind of thinking of Chinese folding phone because I feel like we're getting to the point we keep seeing in all these thin folding phones where like the USBC port almost doesn't fit on the outside anymore.

[D]

The problem is if you add the magnets, that adds a bunch of extra.

[E]

That's also very true.

[D]

So I feel like they would probably do choo ready. But then you had a case.

[E]

Well, I'm saying it because there would be no USB C port, so then you would have to have a case.

[D]

You're saying they're going to get rid of the USB C port?

[E]

They want to make thinner. They can't really go any thinner right now with a USB C port.

[D]

I don't want something that thin. What if there's gonna be like that.

[C]

A camera bump and a USBC port bump into future phones?

[A]

That's actually probably gonna happen. Wait, a USB C port?

[E]

The camera bump just goes up to the top. Like the, like the S21, S22 where it went into the rails with the camera bump and then the USB C ports there and the rest of the.

[D]

Phone is thinner, so thin that it's like this. And then right when it gets to the bottom, it just gets a little thicker at the bottom.

[E]

Or that's. So cameras are top left. USB storage is bottom right. So it fixes the rock on the table by counteracting itself with an opposite bump on the back.

[D]

Or hear me out. I hate this two day battery life.

[E]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[B]

All day.

[E]

And that's the final offer.

[D]

You'll have all day battery and you'll like it.

[E]

And we dictate what all day means.

[D]

Yeah, not a new iOS beta though, because the new iOS beta is trash for battery.

[A]

Yeah, if you're using a beta. Don't get too excited by that.

[D]

My phone died yesterday for like the first time in 10 years. It was not good.

[A]

Welcome to Ellis's world.

[E]

Yeah, welcome to twice every day for Ellis.

[A]

Wait, wait.

[C]

Now I want this to be a recurring segment. So Ellis, what is your battery percentage.

[A]

Right now and what time of day is it?

[B]

What time of day is it?

[E]

So it's still under 70.

[B]

I have charged my phone already this morning. Like I woke up. I think I got to work on. Yeah, my phone probably came off the charger. I woke up pretty early this morning. So I'm going to say my phone came off the charger at 7:50am it is currently 11:40am and I charged my phone for a little bit like while we were getting water and stuff. So anyone want to take 73? 73.

[A]

68.

[B]

68.

[D]

We're guessing 70. Is it prices, right? Rules?

[B]

No, this is just delta.

[E]

There's also no price you prices right at me.

[D]

Last time we guessed this, I'm say 76. Adam. 74. 74.

[B]

74.

[C]

82.

[B]

Marquez is literally exact. Oh, no, sorry, Marquez. It is 69. So I like that you gave my phone too much credit.

[D]

What was your guess?

[A]

68. Oh, that's crazy.

[B]

And we're still out here. You know what was really funny?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Again last night we went to a taping of the acquired podcast.

[D]

We did shout out to those guys.

[B]

And someone listener on the pod ran into him there and he was like, it's so great to finally meet you, man. And then I pull out my phone to like answer a text or something. He was like, there it is. I was like, I can never.

[D]

That was Parker, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna frame that.

[E]

Ph, you're done with it. It might be on fire.

[B]

He said, he was like. He was like, you know, what are you going to do with the phone when you get rid of it? And we were talking about it, I.

[D]

Was like, don't get rid of it.

[B]

This. This is the most perfect opportunity in my life for a charity auction. Like I will never in my life have anything that anyone would actually want like this. And it's not like Apple's going to give me any money for it.

[D]

No, dude. So you know what you need to do? Your estate sale is going to go.

[B]

Hard when I die. When I die.

[D]

Keep it until you die and then I will manage the estate sale.

[B]

I something. If my purple 12 minis memory lives beyond mine, I will be. I did something wrong. But yeah. So yeah, I think, I think the move is going to be removing the battery and charity auction and maybe you could have a non functional framed purple 12 mini.

[D]

You should just replace the battery.

[B]

I have so much.

[E]

Yeah, I was gonna say it doesn't matter.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Facts like my. Here. Wow.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I've completely. Now, this is the Ellis's battery podcast. Let's see what my battery health is at.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, no, because it's high.

[D]

Really?

[A]

It was 80.

[D]

I mean, notably, one of the biggest improvements from. In the 13 mini, from the 12 mini was that they improved the battery life by like three hours.

[B]

It's 84% health.

[A]

That's.

[E]

That's not very high.

[D]

That's not good.

[A]

It's been a while since I got a phone.

[D]

Not a lot of people's phones are below that.

[E]

Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of people.

[B]

Out there, but Comments?

[E]

I just wouldn't call it high. I just wouldn't call it.

[B]

That's not high comment.

[D]

Your Battery Health.

[B]

That's 85.

[A]

I mean, I'm not the best answer because I switch phones a lot, but I've.

[B]

It's 50.

[A]

I don't think I've ever gone under 90.

[B]

What?

[D]

90.

[B]

I got the battery swapped out in this, like a year and a half ago.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I mean, the thing is also like, a lot of charge cycles means.

[D]

Did he stutter?

[B]

Oh, that's true. A lot of charge. I am so.

[A]

I mean, you have a. It's a small battery to begin with and then it's a lot of charge cycle, so it will degrade faster because.

[B]

It'S more charged and it's like it's fully dying and fully charging and.

[D]

Yeah, between 20 and 80, it would last.

[B]

That would give me like an hour and a half.

[D]

Did I stutter?

[A]

20 days, actually. That's such a blink.

[D]

It's like, why even care about your battery health when it only lasts a few hours anyway? It's like I want to make sure it keeps lasting only a few hours.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. Like when you lease an electric car, when you buy an electric car, you're like, oh, I want to only charge to 80 so that I can have it last. When you least. You're like, go to 100, like every time. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. All right.

[D]

Well, yeah. Anyway, we'll see more about this QI2 stuff in a week. So I guess maybe next week we'll be able to talk about this.

[E]

Do you know what number comes after two?

[A]

This is so good.

[D]

25.

[A]

This is elite. This is an elite transition.

[E]

Three, like the Sony RX1 R3.

[D]

That wasn't the only transition I ever. I really Freaked it up. I'm sorry.

[B]

I like yours better.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

I thought we were going to trivia. I was like, weird how, you know.

[D]

It goes up to two trivia.

[B]

When he said three, I was like.

[D]

Three v A three via. Okay, new point and shoot camera just.

[C]

Dropped so many questions here.

[A]

Did you have a hot take on this? You said this is the best, right?

[D]

No.

[A]

Who's saying this is good? Nobody.

[E]

Oh, wait, there's the segment I thought.

[B]

Somebody was saying, dude, I do not understand the point of this camera. Someone who Andrew pointed out in a dm. I didn't give you enough credit, but I did enjoy the previous R series.

[E]

Well, no. So I kind of messed up. You like the RX1 hundreds?

[A]

This is different.

[E]

I didn't even realize the RX1 R2 because I didn't see the marks on them.

[C]

Yeah, the last one from this version was like nine years ago.

[D]

It was 2015. It was 10 years ago.

[A]

So I've been a notable RX100 lover since like the first gen one. And now there's been like seven or eight of them or something. Crazy. That's a one inch sensor. That's smaller, but it has. You can't take the lens off, but it is a zoom lens. So it's a nice little pocket zooming little camera. This is a full frame fixed lens prime.

[D]

All right, let me give you the ecosystem breakdown.

[A]

And nobody said the price yet. I just wanna point out.

[D]

Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that, we'll get to that. Okay, so you've all heard of the Fujifilm X100 series? Yeah, one of the most legendary point and shoot camera series available. Right? That's APS C for listeners. APS C is smaller than full frame. Okay, then in the other corner you've got the Leica Q3, which it's a Leica, so it's $6,000. That is full frame point. These are all point and shoot cameras by the way. Fixed lens point and shoot cameras like a Q3. Then you got prime.

[E]

Prime.

[A]

One focal length.

[D]

Yes, sorry. Fix on spam cameras.

[B]

Yes, I got you, Dave.

[D]

Good job. Okay, and then you've got the Fuji GFX100RF, which I reviewed a few months ago. Format, medium format. Okay, so the ecosystem of this is. Is limited right now. Like especially before the RF came out. Your only options, I mean there were some, but kind of your only options was. Was like, do I want to get an X100?

[E]

There's also.

[D]

Oh, there's also the Ricoh GR3, which is very popular as well.

[A]

So when you say ecosystem you mean there's a certain buyer who is specifically looking for a somewhat compact.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Full frame, well, large sensor, fixed, mostly.

[D]

Fixed lens, compact camera, fixed prime.

[B]

Prime lens. And then also I would say high megapixel. Whether or not the sensor itself is big, all of these Cameras have above 30 megapixels.

[D]

Basically it's the like one, no, the.

[B]

RX, the X100VI does have a 40 megapixel sensor. These are all above 30 megapixels.

[D]

They're above. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the idea is like one camera to rule them all. Right. Like there's been so like photography is complicated. You don't have to buy like thousand dollar lenses to just be able to like hot swap. You want to be able to have one little thing around your shoulder that you can just carry with you everywhere. And generally it's been like, well you can get the X100 for you know, $1700 which used to be even cheaper or you can get the Leica Q3 for $6,000. So there just wasn't a lot in the ecosystem. The Ricoh GR3 came out and that's sort of like a, a cult favorite anyway. There wasn't a lot in the full frame market. But 10 years ago there was the RX1 mark 2 and the R, there was RX1 before that and that was like Sony's entry because every camera company sort of needs sort of an option because the Fuji X100 series was so ridiculously popular that every other company.

[A]

Make your own version.

[D]

We have to make our own version.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

That's basically what spurred Sony to bring it back. So now they're like, okay, finally we're reading back after 10 years, the market is here. People finally want this. And so they added the. So okay, there's so much context. The context of Sony cameras is that there's three versions of Sony cameras. There's the S version which is low megapixel, which gives it way better low light performance, better video specs because they have to push less data through. I like the R. Yeah, we're getting that. There's the regular one that doesn't have a letter, that is the in between one. And then there's the R which stands for resolution and that's the high megapixel version. Sony's most recent r cameras, the A7R5. Yeah. Is 61 megapixels. That sensor, 61 mega sales. So they're pushing that into this Full frame point and shoot camera. So you're basically getting like a 7R5 specs sort of in a compact point and shoot body because Sony realized they.

[A]

Needed to do that.

[D]

The problem is many fold. Except that it doesn't fold. That's one of the problems. It has no articulating viewfinder which is like a big problem. It's OVF is like lower resolution than most other cameras. It is 4k at 30fps only with video which is kind of surprising. I'm surprised they're not doing more of that. The biggest problem is it's $5100.

[A]

Wa wa wa.

[D]

That is the issue. So okay.

[C]

Also no IBIs.

[D]

Also no IBIs. Yeah, and, and, and yeah. And a lot of people gave Fuji a lot of crap including me for not putting ibis in the GFX100RF. And that's a medium format camera. So to not put it in a full frame camera is like what it's like. Yes, it's more expensive than the Fuji. And like people love Fuji because, because of the color science and like you can just spit out these film modes. This also has film modes but they don't really look that good. They don't really look like film. They're just sort of, you know. Yeah. So I don't know what percentage of this is tariffs like tariff based and what percentage of it is just Sony thinking like wow, people really love point shoots right now. We can totally make a lot of money at this.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. So it's. There go a lot of drama.

[A]

I feel like that's definitely a meeting that happened. Yeah. They're like we need an answer to Fuji's success in this vertical.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

There's not a lot of competition in this vertical so we don't have to be price competitive. We can just make, we can just make it $5,000 or whatever. But we just need a competitor in this vertical for someone to pick the Sony version. Yeah, 100% and they just made a Sony version. 100% and it's not great but it exists and you can pick it if you want.

[B]

Dude. But if you were like I want to point and shoot and I. My budget is $6,000. First of all, if you said that to yourself, you could probably see a psychiatrist. No, I mean frankly. Well, but there are people like that. If you're going to spend $6,000 on a camera, you can get so much camera. You know what I mean?

[A]

At that point it's not like I think people are buying it less about the capability of the camera and more. Just about like the feeling of the camera.

[D]

But that's. That is the opposite of what Sony is. I know that I was a computer with a lens strapped onto it and that's all.

[B]

And this camera doesn't even do the computer stuff well, but what is it? Five shots a second? Burst mode?

[D]

I don't know. I didn't see that one.

[B]

That's what, like.

[E]

No, I feel like this. All the Sony, like a series also are just like, these are. These have crazy specs on them. They're really good cameras. Like, really good pictures. But like, when you immediately compare this to Fuji, I was like, yeah, I had so much Fun taking the X1 hundreds out to Wildwood because it's just fun to shoot on and all the film things are fun. And it's like, it's an experience where like Sony, I just think of it as like, yeah, I want the sickest, like, high resolution photo possible.

[D]

Sharpest lenses because they own Zeiss and.

[E]

That'S a thousand frames a second. And like, like sports photography.

[A]

Shoot at ISO 10 million.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

For no reason.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

It's like the RTX 5090 versus, right. Yeah.

[D]

It's like the scientist versus the artist. Right. It's. It's very much that. So.

[E]

So it feels like a weird spot to be jumping.

[D]

Yeah. And like the, A lot of people, including me, we're saying on The RF though, GFX100RF, if you're, you know, if you're. It's. It's too close to the Leica in price when the, like, the Leica, by the way, has IBIs, so there's that. It is also 60 megapixels. So it's like, you know, it's not like the Sony is way higher on this.

[B]

Like have autofocus.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

The. Yeah, the Q3. The Q3 is an f 1.7 lens, so it's like even faster than the Sony, which is F2. It's a 28 millimeter instead of a 35 millimeter. It's just like I. Sony's core competency has always been, as you said, Andrew, like specs, resolution.

[A]

There's another product like this. So funny where it's like you see the new version as a competitor and it just makes you want to buy this. Seeing this camera just makes me go, I actually got to like, a Q3.

[D]

Yeah, no, like I was telling a friend yesterday, like, this camera makes the RF seem like a steal at $4,900, and it makes the Q3 seem reason, which is wild. So I don't really know what Sony was thinking here.

[A]

The Leica shoots AK30. That's crazy.

[D]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Yeah, man. I'm gonna get the Leica then. This camera doesn't really make a ton of sense to me. Yeah.

[B]

Is there a person, is there really a person out there whose camera budget is that high and their number one priority is pocketability? Like, that's the only thing this camera has going on.

[D]

Dude, I've hung, okay. I've hung out at the Leica store in New York before. There are people that walk in and just like, yeah, I don't know, I was like thinking maybe I should have a camera to carry around with me. Like, what is that? And they're like, oh, that's the Q3. And they're like, okay, I'll take it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And then they just pay 6,000.

[A]

Unfortunately, that person exists in every hobby and it's really frustrating. People in the hobby that exists in watches, existing cars, people walk into the stuff.

[B]

We know someone who does it and watches for sure. Not gonna say their name out loud, but it rhymes with.

[A]

Oh, well, Zuck picked up the CT5V Blackwing and probably just walked in the dealership and was like, people like this one, I'll take. Yeah, I'll take three.

[D]

There's also like no culture around Sony. There's, there's culture around Leica. There's culture around.

[A]

There is some enthusiast culture. I mean, culture with Sony. I think now it's like the creator culture.

[E]

I feel it's like creator YouTube, but.

[D]

They all hate each other. All they do is argue on threads. None of them are hanging out.

[B]

Hey, hey, hey. I, I, as someone who is very skeptical of Sony cameras and just had my first weekend with one, they're pretty.

[E]

I love the A7.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

With all due respect, you're using like a 15 year old one.

[B]

No, I'm using a Mark III, an A7.

[E]

It's pretty old.

[B]

It's 2018.

[E]

We got the, that close to when I started working here.

[A]

That's 20 years ago. It feels like it.

[E]

I'm just, I don't know if I should take that.

[B]

You guys know that the year three was 20, 22 years ago.

[D]

Wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I.

[E]

I just have to find this curious, David, because I just found a tweet from six years ago of you saying they should make a Sony RX1 R3 and now you don't seem to like it.

[D]

That's not wrong though. This is the Thing people have been saying this for the last few years ever since the X100 got so popular. But then they dropped it at $5100. So if they were articulating, if they.

[A]

Were to redo this the Sony way, what I would have expected from AN RXR Mark III RX1R Mark 3. Yeah, it. Oh it has a super fast great autofocus. They went f 1.6 just to beat them. They went like slightly undercutting in price and more megapixels and they added a bunch of functions that the others didn't have. So they claim theirs is better 100% and it seems like they didn't do it the Sony way.

[D]

It's not better than literally any other camera.

[A]

It's weird.

[D]

So it's in the. In its category. So I just don't understand. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird.

[A]

Can't wait for the Sony engineers to hit us up.

[D]

Welcome to my rant. Yeah, they will. They'll be mad at me. I'm sorry. But I'm also not so. Okay, well speaking of really fast.

[B]

Hold on, hold on. I just. I got to hop in here real quick because I just want to say sorry.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

You guys are right. You know this is an eight year old camera. It's not exactly a new camera but when you pull up the side by side good camera, they are identical.

[A]

Like which camera? You have an A7S Mark III.

[E]

A7R 7R3. It's R Mark 3.

[A]

Oh yeah, the R. It's like 42 megapixels.

[D]

Oh, you've been using an A7R III?

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Oh I'm sorry, I totally.

[E]

No, it is still. That's what I.

[B]

Cameras do not improve. Look, they have the same burst rate. They have almost the same sensor the with slightly bigger light buckets on the three you do get 20 extra megapixels which is not nothing in the newest one. Yeah but other than that like same base isos like, like it is functionally. The buffer size is way bigger on the five.

[E]

The.

[D]

Yeah. Data.

[B]

But the image engine is the same. I don't know. Anyway, let's just, you know, you want to transition. You know what you guys don't know.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, what if we know it though?

[D]

Yeah, what if we.

[B]

This is an exciting question. Sometimes these are really risky ones because it's really open ended. But I think we're going to have some fun with this one. And this is. We're talking about Chi 2.2 which anytime I hear you Guys say that there's, like, a famous Fred Astaire song from a movie in the late 20s, early 30s that has a song called Dancing Cheek to Cheek. And so I always just hear dancing chi to chi.

[D]

Wow, that's awesome.

[A]

This setup was crazy for that one.

[D]

Can we make, like, an album where we just remix, like, old songs as tech songs?

[B]

Yeah, but they all have to be crooner songs.

[D]

What does that mean?

[B]

Whatever.

[E]

That means. You don't want it to be answered.

[B]

Guys, I would like you guys to name every company that you can think of. So there's lots of points up for grabs.

[A]

It's gonna take a while, period.

[B]

Name every company.

[D]

Oh, you like capitalism?

[B]

Every company you can think of that released a product that had chi in it before Apple.

[E]

Oh, not including just the whole company. Not the product.

[B]

The whole company. You don't have to name the product, but the product that they released did have to be sold in the US So I will not. So, like, for example, I'm just.

[D]

What if it was sold at B and H? Because, like, for example. Yeah, so, but like, Sony phones are only sold at B and H in the US and Asus phones are also only sold at B and H in the us Correct.

[B]

I will accept those. And I'm just. I'm just going to spoil one of the answers here. Like, for example, I will accept HTC because HTC's 2012 phone with Qi was sold in the US I will not accept Huawei Oppo Xiaomi. I just don't want to do that research right now. And I will have to fact check a lot of your answers. I have a pretty comprehensive list up.

[A]

But I will also have a. I will. If you. If you want me to fact check them, I'll give you a model name for any of the ones you're not sure about. Just because I know what I'm talking about.

[E]

Can I. I love this. Something in there.

[B]

Sure.

[E]

You should get a point off if it doesn't have it, because I could just right now start listing every company I know.

[B]

Yeah, you just got a point.

[E]

Oh, God.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

And then also, wireless charging is not what I said. I said she.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

So I forget. Resonance. Resonance resistance. You know what I'm talking about. No, no. Resident. It's like resonance, but with a Z and no O. It's like it was the thing that predated charging standard. Yeah, that lost.

[D]

Betamax.

[B]

Betamax. Yeah, exactly. I won't accept that. Anyway, so start to think, by the way, even though this is not a product Sold. I will accept. There are a handful of businesses which in the US incorporated Qi into their hard. Their physical like locations like their brick and mortar locations. I will accept those as answers.

[D]

That's good. I like that.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Alright. Well the answers will be at the end like usual. We'll write these down and we'll be right back.

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[A]

You all right? Welcome back. There's been this rumor that Samsung is working on a trifold and that it's maybe coming out this year.

[E]

Do you remember when the like yes. First. Do you remember they put that timeline up about the XR glasses and then just completely skipped over that there's a trifold in there. Yeah, that's when we first kind of.

[D]

Saw it during the last unpacked before this one that just happened, right? Yeah, yeah.

[E]

The one at the beginning of this year.

[A]

Yeah. So the, the rumors have continued to come out and I think now it's confirmed because TM Roe just is talking about that they're working on a tri fold. So there's some new quotes and he.

[E]

Said I expect we will be able to launch the Tri Fold phone within this year.

[A]

Yeah. So now we're full on trying to figure out what to expect, what it is, how it will trifold. That's actually kind of the biggest question is how will it trifold? Because there's more than one way to do.

[D]

They already showed an animation of how it trifolds.

[E]

Yeah. Marquez hasn't seen this yet. Oh, you haven't seen it yesterday. So Android Authority found some animations in one UI eight I think my alma mater and two of them kind of show I have them up here. We'll put them on the screen and I'll try to describe them for audio listeners. The first one is an animation or just a photo from behind the phone. So say you opened it all open and you would be looking at the back side. The left panel is technically.

[D]

You have. When it's.

[E]

Yeah, it is confusing. So like if you were looking at the fully open screen. The back part of that.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

So on the left panel you have the camera bump. On the middle panel you have the front screen. And on the right panel you have a blank, no screen at all, a.

[D]

Backing of one of the sides. This is like a Mobius. I just want to see like.

[E]

Yeah. So what are your thoughts here before we go to the animation? That might show it a little better after this.

[A]

I'm trying to figure. So this is going to have it's middle out.

[E]

Thank you. Because the back has joke from a few weeks.

[A]

There's no. So the camera is not going to fold onto the front screen. So it has to fold the other way. And so then the other side folds. That's that.

[D]

So the Huawei. The Huawei, remember did that thing where it sort of like outside it goes like a Z. Yeah, it does that. And it's always weird because when you're like opening and closing it, you. You almost break it every time because you.

[A]

Because you fold it back. Yeah.

[D]

This one goes the natural way. So I believe the idea is because it's so thin, you're actually the. The hinge that the back closes over the middle part on.

[A]

Oh.

[D]

Is like th.

[E]

Oh, okay.

[D]

So you can actually just sort of like double fold them.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

The reason we know this is because there's another animation that one of them is specifically a UI element or like an instruction that the phone will vibrate and send an alert. If so, when the phone is open, both the outsides fold into the middle, which obviously means it has to be kind of offset in order to do that. So if you fold the camera on the right side in first, the camera would be facing the screen. That's going to fold on top of it.

[A]

Yeah, don't do that alert.

[E]

You might break it. So an alert is going to pop up.

[D]

I hope all you audio listeners can visualize this in your head.

[C]

I was going to say not too hard. Visualizing things in 3D space is the reason I failed organic chemistry.

[E]

I think this is easier than when we were trying to describe the Huawei one. Because this is just imagine opening like a menu, right. Like you Open it and you're holding the two sides and there's one flat piece in front of you.

[A]

Or if you ever did the science fair as a kid, I know some of you guys like me, and you had the tribe board or whatever, trifold, and the middle was like you had the middle and then each side folded the front. And so you fold them both the same way. Yeah, I guess that's cool.

[E]

If it's fold on top of each other. Yeah. So if you look, if you scroll down a little bit, there's one more. In the animation of one UI 8, look really closely at the hinges at the bottom of this picture. Oh, one is larger than the other one.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

So the left side will fold in first and then the right side, which at this point has the camera bump on the back, folds on top of that. And that back of the left side is a blank face.

[A]

Yeah. This is good, good detective work. I wonder. So is the fact that this is more intuitive going to matter to regular people when they go to like look at it in a store? Because if you have a phone sitting in front of you. I mean, because I'm thinking about, like, how are they going to sell this? It's going to be very expensive. It's going to be maybe in some stores, but it's a Samsung phone. Samsung's going to try to move these. Is the fact that these move in a maybe slightly more intuitive way a big part of why they did it like this?

[D]

Yes. Yeah, I think that like to get regular people to not break them. Yes. The intuitiveness of people who buy the full. Like the old lady at the airport. Right. You know, not able to use her S pen anymore.

[A]

Yeah, she, she.

[D]

It's gonna be nicer for her because she could probably not use the Huawei one. She would probably break that pretty quickly.

[E]

The Huawei one is confusing this. I'm wondering, you know, we saw all the thinness of the latest Fold 7. It would make sense of being able to make one hinge slightly bigger. We also know that a lot of these folding screens, when the hinges close, they kind of give themselves some room to curve a little more space. Yeah. So it's not folding quite at like creasing on top of each other. So this gives it more room actually to fold inside of it.

[D]

I would also not be surprised if they use the same like sort of micro teardrop technology that Motorola used in the Razer, where the screen sort of like teardropped inside the.

[E]

And like shifts almost.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

The thing about it is though, I don't care how many warning signs you have about this. Someone is going to fold this the wrong way. Right side in first. If I think of a menu, I almost always think about having the top part fold out left first, then to the right, which this is actually. Not that.

[D]

I mean it would be nice there. Okay, this is insanely pure speculation.

[E]

Almost all of this is.

[D]

Yes, it would be cool if there was some sort of mechanism mechanically mechanism where you have to have folded the f the left half first in order for the right to even budge. There was some sort of little micro lock system in there.

[E]

That would be cool. I wonder if you. You could though set this up on a table like Marquez was saying, like science fair poster and have like your whole thing. That's pretty sick.

[D]

And Chrome and Android are merging.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

The future is.

[C]

It's happening.

[A]

Got a breaking news for you guys. This just got just. Just hit my inbox.

[D]

Oh no.

[A]

New Google Pixel event. August 20th. August 20th. It's happening.

[D]

Put it on my calendar.

[A]

The Made by Google.

[D]

Is it in New York?

[A]

Let's see. My event says Brooklyn.

[D]

Let's go. Oh, I just got the email too.

[E]

Are we allowed to say this on the podcast?

[D]

Oh no, I didn't. Sorry. That was Megan Fox. Megan Fox emailed me again.

[E]

She's emailing you about the Pixel 10.

[C]

The hell Google. Where's my email?

[D]

I didn't drop. Actually didn't get any email.

[A]

Dropping a little tweet real quick just to podcast.

[D]

So I'm guessing we're getting the tens.

[C]

And then maybe 10. Pixel 10 Pro. Pixel 10 Pro.

[A]

Fold.

[E]

Pixel 10 Trifold.

[C]

Pixel 10 Trifold.

[A]

Pixel.

[C]

Pixel 10 Laptop. Chromebook Pro.

[D]

Yeah, Ultra. Oh, there are new. This is not even a joke. There are new Pixel Bud Pros coming out that are apparently quite expensive.

[A]

You know what's crazy interesting? I mean, back from China the day before this.

[E]

It's the first thing I looked at when you said that date.

[D]

You're gonna be jet lagged.

[A]

I'm ready. I'm gonna just jump right back in my apartment.

[D]

Just stay in my cellar with me. I've got space.

[C]

This is a good time to. There will be multiple weeks in August where Marquez is.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Is this a good time?

[C]

Ultimate.

[A]

This is probably a good time.

[D]

So we're getting a divorce.

[A]

Yeah, I might have. Do we mention this a couple months ago that I'm playing on the team USA World Games team? I think we've said that before. That has involved several training camps and several practice weekends leading up till now, but the tournament itself, the world championships is in Chengdu, China, and it's two weeks long and it is in August. And I will miss two rounds of trivia questions.

[C]

Maybe three.

[A]

Yeah, maybe three. But definitely two podcast episodes. So I'll be coming back right as the Pixel event happens.

[E]

Sick.

[C]

Perfect.

[A]

But yeah, that's just your pre forewarning. That doesn't mean the episodes will be any less bangers. That just means I will have to be sent trivia questions somehow so I can make sure I get my answers.

[C]

With the time difference and everything, I was kind of thinking if like we hit you up for like a five minute recap of how the day went. Like, oh, we lost this game. We won this game.

[A]

Like your little report. Yeah, maybe. That'd be fun. It's definitely gonna be a lot of work. And 12 hour time zone difference is a challenge, but we, we may overcome it. It may be fun.

[E]

What if we just brought you in remote live for the whole thing?

[A]

We have to pick a crazy hour for you guys. It would have to be crazy for you.

[E]

Why does it have to be crazy for us?

[A]

Like, if it's a normal hour for me, who are we? It's a crazy hour. Wow.

[E]

You care about your team more than us.

[A]

It's definitely going to be tough to be up for both hours.

[D]

This team. Come on.

[A]

What if I just don't sleep?

[E]

No, you should sleep. You should sleep. I don't want you to even joke about that.

[C]

Have you ever been to China before?

[A]

I have not.

[D]

Oh, really?

[C]

Is this your first time?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, that's cool.

[D]

Nice. I will say at least it usually takes two days for the jet lag to hit.

[A]

It took me two days for Japan, so I think it's gonna take me at least two days for China. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know, there's apps where you can like change and shift your sleep schedule.

[A]

Until you get to. That starts to mess up my schedule here.

[C]

Yeah, but only for like a couple days.

[A]

I just need to sleep on the flight, basically.

[D]

Okay, you can do that.

[A]

Yeah, for like way more than a normal sleep.

[C]

We'll just give you a lot of sleeping pills.

[A]

I'll figure out a way to sleep on the flight.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Do you have price guesses?

[D]

2500. 25 or 27? Probably 20.

[A]

For the tri fold.

[C]

For the tri.

[E]

27.99. Wouldn't surprise me.

[D]

They just made the bi fold.

[A]

2000 to start.

[E]

Oh, yeah, 27.

[B]

This thing is going to be maybe $20,000.

[D]

Dude, that would be crazy.

[B]

Yeah, it's gonna be three grand.

[D]

That would be crazy.

[B]

I know.

[D]

27.99.

[A]

How much is a one terabyte full?

[E]

Wait, how much is the. The excess? The mate Xs mate.

[D]

That's like three. That's 3,000.

[A]

Get it here.

[C]

So I don't know.

[D]

It was the equivalent.

[C]

It was like approximately like 3,000.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

At this very moment a 1 TB Z fold 7 is $2,420.

[D]

It's going to be 3K or 2799. But imagine, just imagine, just imagine for a sec Dragons, if where if you had one of those little foldable keyboards and then you also had a little stand and you would just have a laptop with you all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know. It's so cool this is happening and it runs Chrome os.

[A]

It is going to be funny because they're going to have to jump. This is the first, maybe not the first, but this is going to be interesting. Seeing Samsung have to justify the tri fold over the dual fold, which means they're going to have to show examples of things that you want the tri fold for that they wouldn't have already shown us for the dual fold using.

[D]

It as a laptop like Dex. Like I don't see the value in bifold really at all. Especially if this exists.

[A]

Well only being cheaper. I mean if you want an 8 inch screen in your pocket, this Z Fold 7 is going to be that. If you want. What is this? This will be like a 10 inch diagonal tablet in your pocket or something like that.

[D]

Then this is that which is what everyone wants.

[C]

If someone's spending $2,000 for the regular.

[D]

Fold, they're gonna get this.

[C]

They're gonna get the three.

[D]

They're gonna spend an extra.

[A]

Yeah, they're gonna spend the extra if you're Samsung. That's why it makes sense to come out with this and test those markets and figure out if that's true or not and see how many people convert.

[D]

That's true for me.

[A]

But yeah, it's not gonna be cheap.

[D]

That's what it's over for my blue bubble homies.

[B]

The name got that rumor leaked.

[E]

Oh yeah, we skipped past that part. Did you see?

[B]

Yeah, the G. The Samsung Galaxy G4.

[E]

Galaxy G4 is what I called G.

[B]

I think Samsung has the potential to do something hilarious here because Samsung translates in Korean to three stars. And one of the most hilariously named cars in the world is the Ferrari LaFerrari. The Ferrari. The Ferrari. So Samsung could potentially call this, this the Samsung. The Samsung and it would pay homage to the. Both the three stars in the company's names and the three guys. This was the joke I said I was going to tell. And I said, you guys have to laugh.

[D]

That's really good. Ironically, this should be the Z fold, because it has. It actually is a Z.

[B]

That is so much funnier than what I just said.

[A]

That is so true.

[D]

They should have called the other one the C fold or something. Or like the V. The V fold. They could have called the V fold. Yeah.

[A]

V. Damn. It's too late now.

[B]

But then.

[E]

Yeah, it's not really a V, though, because it's more like.

[D]

No, the current.

[E]

The current.

[D]

This literally could be the Z.

[B]

The U or the U fold. No, you're right, David.

[E]

Oh, yeah, these. Yeah, the Huawei. I keep forgetting, mate. Xs.

[D]

What's Xs?

[E]

Xs is the trifolds. Yeah, that's.

[A]

That.

[E]

That does make a Z. I thought they always did it because the two folds next to each other made the Z, but they called it that before they did the flip.

[B]

They named it that because you have an excess of screens.

[E]

But it's a Z. Yeah, no, no.

[B]

I'm talking about the Huawei.

[D]

The Huawei.

[E]

Oh, all right.

[D]

We're off the rails.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Anyway, well, it was just enough time for Adam to get the thing we forgot, so.

[D]

Really funny joke, Ellis. Now, as we move on to Adam's.

[B]

You could say that joke was classic Ayo.

[A]

We would say that because it's a good transition to the unboxing that Adam's about to do. Adam, what are you holding right now?

[C]

The Galaxy Watch 8 Classic.

[A]

Is that right?

[C]

This is it.

[A]

Are you a potential candidate to buy a watch like this?

[C]

Probably not, because I no longer have a Samsung phone. But for now I'm excited. Yeah, for now I'm excited to see what it is like, how it looks and feels.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

Here we go.

[E]

Why? Why you do this? I'm just gonna. Well, I don't think the audio listeners want to listen to that. Someone on our podcast or on our subreddit posted the spec comparison between the watch 7 and the watch 8. Just the regular ones. It is exactly the same minus a like 0.2 gram difference. And obviously the like, cushion design. It's very funny. But you can buy a Watch 7 right now for 150 bucks on Amazon. Wow, that's a crazy deal. Especially because it's the exact same spend.

[D]

How much is the Watch 8?

[E]

The Watch 8 is what, 450 or something?

[D]

It's the same Chip it is. So you're just paying for a new design?

[E]

Pretty much. And the new wear os, but I'm assuming that'll get.

[D]

That'll come to the other. Yeah, yeah. Wow, that's incredible. Wait, does this, does this. Will the old one get the run coach thing? The AI coach I have that one wants that.

[E]

Samsung always likes to announce something and then two weeks later it's available.

[D]

Oh, it is brighter by a thousand nits.

[A]

Oh, that's nice.

[B]

A thousand.

[E]

Is that $3,000?

[C]

3,000, right?

[D]

It's 3,000 nits versus 2,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm not sure if that's worth 300 bucks, but you know, it is nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The watch itself though, I like the way it looks. I do not like the way it feels.

[E]

Oh really?

[C]

The bezel is a bi directional bezel, so it spins in both directions. Typically in a dive watch you don't want that because you're timing how long you are underwater and you can like undo the elapsed time and then you'll drown. So you want it to only go in one direction.

[A]

And the software won't let you do that probably.

[C]

Well, no. In old dive watches there's no software. It's like a physical mechanism, right? Yeah. So this bi directional bezel. Oh yeah.

[A]

The software here, software should probably not go backwards.

[C]

It's just the, the clicks and the way that it feels that I could see moving in both directions. It's not as like sturdy because in real dive watches it like clicks into place basically because you don't want that moving. This is very easy to move, I'm.

[E]

Assuming because it controls aspects of the.

[C]

Yeah, but I can easily see myself like just moving my wrist and accidentally spinning the dial a little.

[A]

It's that loose spinning the bezel.

[B]

It feels, feels like the. The actual case of the watch feels like nice metal. And then the spinning crown feels like the cheapest plastic.

[E]

That's almost so much worse. When you have two materials next to each other. It can make one a bad material feel 10 times worse because you feel what it like could be like.

[B]

It might just be that it's so light. Like it's just really thinly machine metal. But touching it feels like painted plastic.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Does it look good still? I have to say I think this is one of the nicest looking smartwatches.

[B]

I'm a. Right now I look emaciated, frankly. And so big watches like this look pretty silly on me most of the time.

[E]

I'd consider myself to have pretty thin wrists and this Is a pretty big watch. I don't think it looks that bad. Do you think it looks bad?

[B]

No, but, like, you know, you.

[D]

You may have a thin wrist, but.

[B]

Like, if I turn my wrist sideways, you won't be able to see it. You know what I mean?

[E]

Like, like, thin is the Z.

[B]

When I'm in the shower, I have to move my wrist around just to make sure it gets wet.

[E]

I got more so not for you. Damn. I was kind of hoping Adam would like this a little better for this segment.

[C]

I cannot even get this strap in. I do. Like, I really like the way it looks.

[E]

That's the thing. So Michael Fisher posted pictures of this, and it looks really good.

[C]

So the purpose of a cushion, like, kind of case like this is for it to not look so massive on wrist. Like, it looks.

[E]

That does look pretty big.

[D]

It looks pretty big.

[C]

Yeah. It's a 46 millimeter watch. Oh, yeah. 46 is huge.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

So that does. It is doing the job of making it look smaller. 46 is ginormous.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Big screen on your wrist.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

I just want to see if there's a. It's only 46 millimeter.

[B]

That's like entourage sized watch. You know what I mean?

[D]

Escalade.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's a good reference. Yeah.

[C]

So the buttons are nice, though. I like the buttons.

[A]

Correct me if I'm wrong. The Watch 7 did not have the rotating bezel.

[C]

It did not.

[A]

So if you want the Watch 8, you'll be getting the rotating bezel bezel. You'd be getting a 3000 classic. Classic. Yeah, the watch eight classic. 3000 nits. Over 2000 nits. Double the storage. Slightly larger battery, the little antioxidant index that it now does, which I did a demo of, which is, you know, you might want that. Maybe not. No.

[E]

So when was the last classic. What was the last rotating bezel Galaxy watch? I thought it wasn't that long ago.

[A]

But this is kind of our favorite feature.

[E]

And it didn't look as much like. Like this tries to look like the dive bezel on a normal watch. The old one was a little more. Almost just like protective and part of it and did spin and was nice. But this makes it look like a watch watch. It's kind of a bummer to hear that. It's.

[C]

I mean, aesthetically, I really like the way it looks. These are my kind of watches. Like, I like big, bulky dive watches like that. Like, I have a doxa, the Seiko turtle. Like I mentioned a couple weeks ago, this looks very Similar to that. It's like that is the, the chunkiness is part of the allure of something like this.

[A]

Makes the Apple Watch Ultra look kind of sleek, to be honest.

[C]

Honest, yeah. No, this is definitely more in line with like classic 60s style of watch. Marques, did they mention anything about what makes this one specifically better than the regular eight?

[A]

Like that one? I couldn't tell you, but I could look it up.

[D]

It would make them more money if you bought it.

[E]

I mean, is there. I mean, I think it literally might just be the, the rotating bezel and the, the design. Can you pass it over here? Can we get a quick.

[C]

Definitely going to pass it here.

[A]

Here, Throw it, throw it.

[D]

Do it. Yeah, good catch.

[B]

Adam's. For audio listeners, Adam's throw was just awful. The watch went through one of our windows and is now incurring several lawsuits, allegedly.

[E]

Marques is looking at it. He's comparing it to the Apple Watch Ultra.

[A]

I mean, a circular display has always been nice.

[D]

Yeah. Except. Except the UI is like pill shaped.

[E]

That sounds. Yeah.

[D]

So there's a bunch of pills that go inside a circle and it's like, what are we doing here, folks?

[E]

It's not the best move.

[D]

Not the best move.

[E]

That sounds. Want to hear it? That's the bezel.

[D]

Sounds good.

[C]

And the watch is off. So that is like a hardware.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Click from the bezel.

[E]

Oh, wait, but the numbers don't move with the dial. Aren't they supposed to? No.

[C]

So.

[E]

Oh. The way I know nothing about watches.

[C]

The way that the dive bezel works is typically if you have hands, Right. And you'll have a minute hand pointing to like it's 10 10. So you move the bezel so that the arrow aligns with the minute and then as the minute hand moves, you can tell how long it's been. It's just elapsed time, basically.

[E]

Yeah, but this bezel has no markers on it.

[D]

No.

[C]

You would have to basically move it to the zero.

[D]

I like the feeling of.

[E]

I don't think that feels that bad. I don't think the bezel feels that bad.

[C]

I'll bring in my watch tomorrow.

[E]

Well, I'm not saying it's going to feel better than that, but I don't think it feels that bad for what it is.

[C]

I think if you're going to do a hardware bezel, make it feel like a nice hardware bezel.

[B]

It's literally the one part of the watch that people are gonna touch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So why would you make it feel like it came out of an ice cream?

[E]

Truck cracker jack box.

[B]

Am I wrong? Anyway, speaking of me being wrong.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Trivia, dudes. So question number two. The Google CR48 was a developer version of what Google hardware?

[A]

Yeah, I have one.

[C]

The CR48.

[A]

I reviewed the CR48 actually.

[C]

Did you know?

[A]

Yeah, it sure did.

[E]

Interesting.

[A]

I missed that thing. I might have kept my CR48. I think that's one of the few old things that I kept.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

Like the truly no logoed laptop. Just matte black plastic.

[E]

Did you not just say what it is?

[A]

Whoops. All right.

[C]

Trivia.

[D]

Wow, that was.

[B]

Guys, we're here talking about a Samsung watch. We are talking about a Samsung watch. Like it's new. Okay. But actually in the past, at some point in history, Samsung bought a German camera company called Rolle. I think that's how you say R O L L E I R. Right?

[D]

Rolle is a camera. Oh, yeah.

[B]

That is what Samsung owns.

[D]

Rolle.

[B]

They might not anymore, but at some point they did. I'll double check that.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

But they used Rolle's mechanical expertise to make a line of watches. What decade did these Samsung non smart watches come out in?

[D]

Oh, that's cool.

[E]

Now I want one retro.

[D]

Me too, but I'm not going to look it up.

[E]

Also, I feel like the SEO is probably really hard on that with all the Samsung watches.

[D]

Just look up Samsung Rollei watch.

[A]

But don't. But don't do that.

[B]

The gist is Samsung wanted to. And I'm gonna fact check this over the next like just to make sure because it's something I put together really fast. But Samsung bought Rollei, wanted to pivot them into making wall. They bought Rolle specifically to turn them into a watch company. Then they tried to start selling these watches in Europe and Rolex was like, are you kidding me? You think I'm gonna let you do this?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And after several years of court battles, Samsung was just like, we're done with. This is stupid.

[A]

Wow.

[E]

When did they sell it back?

[B]

Nice try, 92.

[D]

That was the whole question.

[B]

Trivia. You gotta put some cut of everything that just happened in the video. All right, guys, because this is now the third Samsung question I've had to come up with today. This one's gonna be a weird1. In 1995, what major hip hop apparel brand did Samsung acquire a stake in?

[D]

BTS.

[E]

1995. Okay.

[B]

Hip hop apparel.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

Hip hop apparel. I don't even know hip hop.

[A]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to think of a 90s hip hop apparel brand.

[B]

There's literally one. There's only one that existed, and you either know it or you don't.

[D]

I don't.

[A]

Okay. That is. That is encouraging.

[B]

I'm not mad at you, but I am a little mad at me. No, not everyone.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Fair.

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[D]

Is it orange?

[E]

We tried to do the orange ones, but those were limited edition.

[B]

Is it polarizing?

[E]

They could. They might be a little polarizing, you're right. But I'm gonna let David open them for the first time so we all know the meta Ray Bans.

[A]

This is exactly the color I asked for.

[D]

I also want to say something funny.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

When I was. When I worked at intel, it better be funny. Part of the time I was at Intel, I was.

[B]

All right, David, make us laugh.

[D]

I was a marketing.

[B]

Make us laugh, David.

[D]

I was a marketing manager for part of the time I was at intel, and I. I led the, like, part of the Intel Atom. Not. Sorry, not Atom. It was Curie.

[B]

I wasn't there.

[D]

Intel. Curie used to be, like a wearables chipset that they made and effect. And anyway, I was like, like, leading this, like, marketing thing to get Curie integrated into other products. So we made like, smart basketball shoes with. I think it was Lenovo and Yao Ming. Yep. But we also.

[B]

Wait, why was that so funny?

[D]

I don't know what that was. Oh, because they said it was. Say something funny.

[B]

Yeah, right, Right.

[A]

That is pretty funny, actually. Yeah, it's pretty funny. He made smart.

[D]

Hold on.

[C]

Yeah, let's unpack that.

[D]

Yeah, so, yeah, smart basketball shoes.

[A]

Smart basketball shoes with Yao Ming Curie chip. Okay.

[D]

We also worked with Oakley to make the, like, the first pair of smart glasses. So it was very funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, is that funny like haha or funny like.

[D]

Well, these are like, funny because intel is going to be gone in a couple years.

[A]

That's actually true. That's just a true statement.

[D]

All right, I'm finally gonna open these up.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Just like how I helped make the Bixby by training that data set. I just kill a lot of things. All right, it's time. Okay. They're beige.

[E]

They're like. Everyone has a different. Actually, you call them beige. I think I call them, like bone.

[D]

Bone.

[C]

Do you guys like this case better than the regular?

[D]

No, I can't get them out.

[C]

Yeah, this is like a different. What you. It looked like you pressed a button and the whole thing kind of.

[E]

Because the charging contacts are at the bridge of the nose, so it sits down into a piece that almost locks it into that inside of the case.

[B]

What in the Snap spectacles are those? Just.

[C]

These look exactly like the Snapchat spectacles.

[B]

Those aren't Oakley's. Those have nothing to do with Oakley's.

[E]

You don't see the O on the side, bro. Oh, I just realized the microphone is inside the O.

[B]

Why would they make them look like that?

[D]

Hey, Meta.

[E]

Oh, no, I don't know if they're on.

[A]

They're probably not.

[E]

You literally just got them before.

[B]

So for. For anyone. For audio listeners, I'm going to attempt to describe these. They're just awful.

[E]

I actually think David looks kind of cool.

[B]

They look like sort of like. Like, God. They look like if.

[E]

If Oakley tried to make the circle Ray Bans be like, from the future being like, Ready Player one.

[B]

No, I. No, these are like if. If you tried to make the 2012 equivalent of John Lennon sunglasses, but with thick white frames. And then also they're not completely circular.

[D]

Yeah, the thing that makes the nose.

[B]

Bridge makes them this. This weird, like, flat side.

[D]

The thing that makes them ugly is that they're circular except for the inner nose area where they just for some reason are straight and. Yeah, I don't know.

[E]

I hate that I kind of like them.

[B]

Am I allowed to say on the podcast? Because. Yeah, the, the. The lenses, the reflective lenses are the color of. It's like you're looking at the world through.

[D]

I would like. The thing is I can see myself in the sub monitor and I would not go outside wearing these.

[A]

Can I try them on?

[D]

Yeah, I want to see what they look like on other people.

[E]

I feel like we also picked one of the sillier colors. No, I feel like a lot. There's ones that are like just black on black.

[D]

If you put the.

[E]

And those look a little less.

[B]

I can see black on black looking a little.

[E]

But Oakley's whole thing is like. They do some pretty wild colors, especially with lenses. That's actually one of them.

[D]

That's actually.

[E]

Marquez looks cool. I hate how good Marquez looks and everything.

[D]

They look a little silly, but not horrible.

[B]

Marques, look at me.

[D]

Oh, wait, they are on.

[A]

I should have a picture of you.

[E]

Did you.

[A]

Oh, and another one.

[B]

Yo, the envelope on that LED is nice. The way it just sort of fades back when you're done.

[E]

Can you.

[D]

They don't look that bad.

[B]

Yeah, they do.

[A]

I am sorry, Marquez. I am not a fan of the tint. I guess you'd get used to it after a while because glasses are different Types of tint.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So it makes my MacBook Pro screen look green, unfortunately. But, yeah, big, bigger batteries in here, so longer battery life, better optics, so potentially better camera quality. And then how much do you like the Oakley look? You can get these Oakleys. You can get the Meta. Ray Bans. Two enormous companies in, I feel like the two biggest that I know of as far as name brands and glasses that people wear. Oakley and Ray Bans.

[C]

So I'm waiting for the Warby Parkers.

[A]

Yeah, I think. Well, didn't Google just snag that?

[D]

Yeah, they did.

[A]

So, like. Yeah, they kind of don't have many choices left as far as who to partner with.

[D]

So I don't really want Meta on my face, but I'd maybe do Google's cool, though.

[A]

I don't know.

[E]

I'm surprised at how light these are.

[C]

The Ray Bans are really cool. Have you tried them?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

They're super. No.

[D]

And the video quality is actually quite good.

[A]

Yeah. Like, as a product, what they offer, like, forget, like, the fashion part, obviously, you can like the look or not or get a different look, but it's a camera on your face. And the POV video aspect of it seems to be the thing that people are most gravitating towards.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And then also really good. Yeah. And then, you know, however much you want to use the AI assistant, you can ask it about what you're looking at. You can ask it random questions. You can talk to it like it's your phone, but without your hands. Yeah, that's decently useful.

[D]

I wish you could do a horizontal video on them. Still, it's kind of wild to me that they didn't introduce that.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know, maybe it was like a vertical resolution thing or. Because. Because there's Parallax. Because it's only on one side.

[C]

It's because they want you to Instagram.

[E]

Wait, sorry, There would be no.

[B]

There would be no Parallax.

[A]

Oh, right.

[D]

They want you to Instagram. Yeah.

[E]

Wait, so look, here's. I'm recreating the Zuckerberg picture.

[D]

Yeah. You look way better in those than Zuck does.

[E]

Thank you. I don't.

[B]

I don't know that to be true.

[D]

Also, the color, the official color is called Desert 24K, Prism Polar.

[E]

Actually, the other colors.

[A]

Right.

[E]

What are the other colors? There's some ones that are not as. There's a kind of clear one, I think, if you press the arrows right there.

[A]

I don't like that. They called 3K video Ultra HD it's not Ultra HD. It's 3K, not 4K, but it is better than before.

[D]

They are. It's a. It's $500 for the limited edition and three and, and $400 for the regular ones. Yeah. So that is quite a bit more expensive.

[A]

Right.

[D]

The regular Ray Ban metas were.

[E]

Oh, how 300?

[C]

Yeah, I want to say like 329.

[A]

329, something like that.

[D]

Yeah. You know, I would like them a lot more if they didn't have that weird divot near the nose bridge, but I probably wouldn't. You look fine in them.

[E]

Thank you.

[D]

So maybe I'm just being hard on myself.

[E]

Fine.

[C]

The silhouette on these is very particular. Like I feel like the Ray Bans, most people wear those kind of sunglasses like the Wayfarer style. So wearing them doesn't look like super out of place. It's not like drawing attention to yourself. Oakleys are like very particular to certain like places and things that people are doing, like activities.

[A]

Yeah. It's all fashion, all style. Subjective. You know, it's funny, I just got a notification saying the interior of my Rivian is 126 degrees now. So it's running the fans to protect the displays maybe so they don't break.

[E]

Whoa, whoa.

[A]

But speaking of Rivian, nice. See what I just did there? I didn't plan that. They just, I got the notification. Small Rivian update. They are updating their maps system to be fully, a little bit more integrated with Google Maps. I don't functionally think it makes that much of a difference, but there are some nice little things that they've added. So there's better satellite view. It's obviously going to be built into Google's data. So real time traffic and you know, rerouting, better routing to get to your navigation points. When you go to a charger, it will be able to know how long you have to sit there to charge versus when you take off to get to the next place, how long, how much you arrive with. All that is great. And then I think honestly the best point, which was kind of like a brief mention in the video, but it makes a big difference when you're using it is as you're driving, you couldn't do this before. You can touch a point of interest on the map and it'll show you the info for it. So I've been driving in the Rivian and been like, what is that weird looking building? And it'll show a name and I just want to tap it and just figure out what it is, but you couldn't do that in the Rivian maps before. Now you can. I think that's the best new thing.

[D]

Nice.

[A]

Still no CarPlay or Android Auto, but you know better Google Mapping is always welcome for us Rivian drivers.

[D]

So.

[A]

Yeah, shout out to that. Cool.

[C]

Would you take CarPlay or Android Auto.

[A]

Over this at this point? No. I'm so used to it. Like I have a little. I guess, yeah, I would take it. I'm not like mad. Like, if I had it, I would use Waze and Spotify and everything built in. But I have a little mount for my phone and at this point my instinct as soon as I get in the Rivian is I just put my phone up, up and I hit ways and then I'm good to go. So, yeah, it's. It's something I learned to live with in my many years of driving a Tesla. It's like just kind of you just put your phone up, you know, I.

[C]

Just feel like this is the future for all cars, unfortunately is they're all going to have like their own weird.

[A]

Funny you mentioned that.

[C]

We just all use our phones anyway.

[A]

There is kind of this tide happening of. Of you have to. If you're a car manufacturer, you kind of have to pick. CarPlay Ultra is looming. Like, the new improvements with CarPlay in iOS 26 are very solid. And if you are a car company trying to figure out if you should lean in to this carplay thing or lean out, it's never been a more important time to make that choice. I feel like it's kind of a fork in the road for them. And yeah, the Escalade doesn't have CarPlay. Like that's one of the notable things it doesn't have that maybe some people would hate about it. It also has 50 inches of displays running Google Apps and the Play Store and Waze and Spotify and all sorts of other stuff. So maybe you don't care it doesn't have CarPlay, but up to you. Anyway, speaking of cars that don't have CarPlay, one more story and I actually have a take about this that I'm not sure about, but I think I'm gonna just send it.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Tesla has recently unveiled a new Model Y. It's called the Model. Let me actually get the name of it. Model Y + Model Y. L. There it is.

[D]

Not a Model Y. Didn't they update this sooner?

[B]

Why did they put an AI girlfriend in my car?

[A]

None of these things. It is just a longer Model Y. So this is announced by Their, like their Weibo account. So I'm pretty sure this is just going to be in China, at least for now. But the Model Y L is a longer Model Y, longer wheelbase and has three rows, so three sets of rows for people to, you know, jump in. I think the expected three row before was like a little cramped. A little cramped, Very cramped. The third row was super cramped.

[E]

I don't think Lane would fit in the most three rows.

[A]

It was like pretty cool for car seats, basically. But this is like a real, a real three row size. It's still pretty small. But it's funny, the wheelbase is actually 3 inches longer than the Model X, while the overall size is still slightly smaller than Model X. But there's theoretically enough passenger room for the same three rows of people as a Model X. And I think that's really interesting because it's probably, it's going to be cheaper than a Model X. And this is one more reason why Tesla could kill the Model X today.

[D]

Yeah, the Model X sucks.

[A]

It's not that it sucks, it's just that it's more expensive for not that much more utility. Obviously they make a plaid one, so like, if you have more money, it's good for Tesla to just offer a more expensive thing for you to buy. It has the Falcon Wing doors. It's a little bit more high tech in its overall presence, but generally it's like just, yeah, bring that Model Y L to more markets and there will be even less reason for Model X to exist.

[D]

The Model X was the first one after the Roadster, right? Right.

[A]

No, so it was Roadster, then it was Model S. And then, yeah, along comes Falcon Wing doors, Model X, then S or Then y or 3. Then.

[D]

Yeah, I think the Falcon Wing doors are like overrated.

[A]

They're, they're also kind of polarizing. Like, I know people who love the Falcon Wing doors. I also know people who wouldn't dare pull up to the school to take their kid out of the thing with Falcon Wing doors. So it's kind of a statement. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, a Model Y L, it seems like a really, really good, good alternative to the model.

[D]

I've been wondering why the X even continues to exist, like even after the Model Y came out. I know that the X is still bigger, but yeah, it's just like, how big do you really need?

[B]

Isn't it more luxurious?

[E]

I don't, I think the back row headroom will be better in the X than this because like this is. The roof is going to be slanting.

[B]

Back Way I thought it was supposed to be like higher quality, like people always say. Like, like.

[E]

Well, no, the three and Y were supposed to be a little more simple to save on costs.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[E]

Originally, I guess. Then they did the refresh of S and it went this landscape screen and they.

[A]

So the model S and X still have the display behind the steering wheel and they're. They still have little things that cost more money. And I guess you could say the Falcon door is a big thing that cost more money. But in general, the interiors are very similar. Other than that, you have a back. Back seat display. You know, they probably charge at similar rates. I don't think they're that different, but. Yeah. Yeah. Model Y S or model Y L is here.

[D]

Well, they also model YSL, YSL, model Y LS, LS. They also introduced a model 3 plus, only in China. It just has more range. Cool. So with a different type of battery.

[A]

Nice.

[E]

So.

[D]

Trivia.

[A]

It's about that time.

[E]

Can I steal a board?

[A]

Have you been writing things this entire episode? No.

[D]

This is why I want to introduce this.

[E]

The rule.

[A]

Nope.

[C]

Quick update on the score. Marquez with 28, Andrew with 17. David in the lead with 21.

[D]

31.

[C]

31.

[B]

Thank you. Earlier in this episode, I asked you to think of every company that released a product that had a chi. It was QI compatible, had the official QI standard in it. It prior to iPhone joining the rat race in 2017 with the iPhone 8. That was incredible. The timing.

[A]

And it's minus one for the wrong ones.

[B]

Yeah, you get one wrong.

[D]

Wait, really?

[A]

You go.

[D]

How about one point?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Minus one towards the total of this answer where you start losing points.

[C]

No, I say the whole point.

[B]

Yeah, you start losing points.

[D]

No. What?

[B]

What? It's my game. It's our game.

[D]

But that's Danger Zone.

[B]

Adam and I's game. So David, you're winning for now.

[A]

I'm deleting one that I'm not sure about.

[D]

Yeah. All right.

[B]

Who would like to go first?

[E]

Should we all flip them? I'll go first cuz I have the least amount.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

Motorola.

[B]

Motorola is on there with the Droid 3 in 2011.

[E]

Samsung.

[B]

Samsung is on there with the Galaxy S3 in 2012. LG is an accepted answer, but they're the phone.

[E]

They don't care. It's accepted.

[A]

Droid three.

[C]

So that was three points for Andrew.

[B]

Three points for Andrew.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Andrew, how does it feel?

[E]

Bad because I can see how many all of them put and how many I missed.

[B]

Well, because I forgot maybe they're about to eat it?

[E]

Probably not.

[B]

So, David or Marquez, would one of you guys like to volunteer to go next?

[A]

Do you want me to go? I'll go.

[D]

Okay, you go.

[A]

I crossed that. Motorola. Unfortunately, I would have gotten a point there. I wrote Samsung.

[B]

I appreciate the honesty, Marques. Actually, also give Andrew a fourth point for coming up with the you lose a point thing.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

What?

[B]

I did say that earlier. You got a point. All right. Marques, please.

[A]

Samsung, lg, htc. But you're not giving points for that.

[D]

Correct.

[A]

Starbucks.

[B]

That one was hard to research.

[A]

And Ikea.

[B]

Way to go.

[E]

Okay. I wasn't sure if IKEA would have been. That was a great guess.

[D]

I didn't know how early it was.

[E]

Yeah. So I put htc, sort of.

[B]

I'm not, not awarding points for that, but it's all good.

[D]

Asus?

[B]

Hell yeah. Do you know what Asus product it is?

[D]

Was it the Zenfone 4?

[B]

It was even. Actually they made a PC with a Qi pad built into it. The M70.

[A]

Oh, that's cool.

[D]

Samsung, yes.

[B]

Samsung.

[D]

Starbucks, yes. LG, yes. Motorola, yes. Google.

[B]

Google and LG, technically Nexus for both. But I'm not giving separate points for that in post. I'm going to add some, like, funky music under this, so just, yeah, do bob your head a little bit like you're dancing. The Toyota Avalon in 2013, in 2015. The Lexus NX. The Sony Xperia ZV3.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

The black Berry Priv, Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Starbucks. And I think there's a Palm device that might have had chi, not the Pre, but they made some other, like, peripheral that did. Anyway, there you go.

[A]

The more, you know, hey, that's what. That's what trivia is all about, is learning something. So even if David extended his lead with even more points than he needed, we all learned something today.

[B]

Yeah. It's actually crazy how I tried to like shuffle up the scores of the big points question and the Delta here was one.

[E]

Well, what's funny is we still have one more trivia question.

[B]

We do. One more trivia question, guys. The Google CR48. Just kidding, guys. After what decade did Samsung buy? Oh, no, sorry, guys. What? Mid-90s? No, sorry. What-90s hip hop fashion brand did the textiles division of Samsung acquired Invest in in the 90s?

[D]

Hip hop.

[B]

Hip hop.

[D]

What the heck is a hip hop brand?

[B]

Apparel brand.

[D]

Wait, what the heck is hip hop?

[E]

Can you send me the link to the old Samsung watch? I want to see that really bad later.

[D]

What in the heck is hip hop apparel? Yes.

[B]

They Began investing in this company in 1995. Yeah, there's really one famous hip hop. Like there's obviously lots of. See, David, that's not a bad guess. It's wrong, but it's not a bad guess guess.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Did all three of you get.

[A]

Oh, my God, I wasn't even online yet. First of all, I'm not going to know this.

[B]

Echo is definitely a skateboarding brand, right? Am I right? Am I right about that?

[D]

I don't know if what makes it felt the like.

[A]

Yeah, I guessed Reebok.

[B]

That is the farthest thing from a I guess Supreme.

[D]

Do you guys remember the fake Supreme Samsung phone?

[B]

No.

[D]

Yeah, because there was like the fake Supreme. It was Supreme Italy, which is not associated with supreme. And they tricked Samsung into making a collab phone where they thought they were working with the real.

[A]

Incredible.

[D]

It was amazing.

[A]

I really.

[E]

I'm pretty sure it was like a brick and mortar store or something.

[D]

It was so good.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Yeah. Supreme was like, we didn't make this.

[B]

Okay, wait, so supreme, wrong. Oh, wow. Reebok wrong. And then, Andrew, you put Echo, which is wrong. Santa Cruz, the correct answer is Fubu. Fubu for us. By us.

[D]

Isn't that a streaming service?

[B]

That is Fubo. Which made Googling this question to fact check it really hard. There wasn't even a Did you mean Fubu? It was just like you meant Fubo.

[D]

Right, guys, it's literally on Tebow.

[B]

It's literally on Himi.

[C]

Marques. Take us out.

[A]

Like I said, that's the point of trivia is we might not know the answers, but at the end of the day, every everybody here learned something. Shout out to Damon John. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening and catch you guys very soon in our next regularly scheduled episode of Waveform. See you there. Peace.

[D]

We're literally on Hebo.

[E]

Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast network and our true retro music was created by Vain Sil.

[D]

Bingo.

[A]

Bingo. Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.

[C]

I'm not ready.

[D]

Hurry.

[A]

It's not funny.

[E]

I got school.

[D]

I got sk.

[C]

Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. However, when Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a 4 liter jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

[D]

Oh, come on.

[C]

They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip.

[B]

Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

[C]

Whatever you were made to outdo your holidays? We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia made to travel.