Tesla Gives Up on Model S & X!

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: Tesla Gives Up on Model S & X!
Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, with contributors Adam, Ellis, and Mariah

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Main Theme & Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the recent announcement that Tesla will cease production of its iconic Model S and Model X, exploring what this means for Tesla and the broader EV market. The hosts also examine notable shifts in Tesla’s software strategy, Elon Musk's complicated company mergers (X.ai, SpaceX, X/Twitter), and their implications in tech and AI. Beyond Tesla, the crew discusses Samsung's upcoming Galaxy S26 and its (possible) omission of Qi2 wireless charging, Apple’s quiet sunset of its Pro Apps Education bundle, and Nintendo’s nostalgia-fueled hardware moves. To wrap up, they play “The Newlyweds Game” Waveform style, with some intense (and hilarious) trivia and teammate banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tesla Discontinues Model S and Model X

• [04:36] Marques kicks off the “dead products” section with Tesla’s plan to stop producing the Model S and X – Tesla’s flagship, longest-running vehicles.
  • History Recap: The S and X followed the original Roadster and have represented Tesla’s technological vanguard, with features like Falcon Wing doors (X) and the high-performance Plaid variant (S).
  • Sales Data: Model 3 and Y now account for over 90% of Tesla sales (1.6M units in 2025), while S, X, and Cybertruck combined made up only ~54,000 worldwide.
  • Justification: Factory space is being allocated for the Optimus robot.
  • Memorable quote (Marques): “It’s not actually that surprising... They didn’t sell a ton, always just light refreshes here and there.” [05:40]
  • Co-host reactions: Not surprised, but note the symbolic weight—these models are staples that defined Tesla’s early promise.
  • Tesla Product Cancellations: Marques references previous Tesla backpedals, like Plaid Plus cancellation and continuously delayed Roadster.

2. Tesla's Changing Software Tactics

• [09:48] Andrew discusses recent changes to Tesla’s Full Self Driving (FSD):
  • Lane Centering/Auto Steer removed: New Model 3 and Y now lack auto steer as a base feature—now behind the FSD subscription paywall.
  • Industry Angle: Most cars now offer lane centering by default.
  • Motivation: To push more users toward the $99/month FSD subscription, boosting Tesla’s recurring revenue model.
  • Critique: Hosts call it “hypocritical” to tout Tesla as the safest while putting key safety features behind a paywall.
  • Memorable quote (Andrew): “This is now like one of the least technologically advanced cars in terms of ‘self driving’ unless you pay.” [10:58]

3. Elon Musk’s Mega-Mergers (SpaceX, X.ai, Twitter/X)

• [11:54] Ellis outlines the merger of SpaceX and X.ai (which acquired Twitter/X):
  • Economic Drivers: Xi is hemorrhaging $1B/month; SpaceX’s profits are being leveraged to prop it up.
  • Valuation: New conglomerate valued at over $1 trillion.
  • Musk’s Justification: The need to build AI data centers in space, only possible via SpaceX.
  • Criticism and Irony: Each merger seems to “solve” financial issues of another Musk venture.
  • Memorable quote (Marques): “What company does all these things? This is an even weirder set of companies... we also do rockets.” [14:03]
  • Dystopian Parody: Joking comparison to “Musk Industries” as the ultimate everything company.

4. Samsung Galaxy S26 & Qi2 Wireless Charging Drama

• [16:46] Rumor: S26 may lack Qi2 wireless charging/magnetic ring.
  • Leak details: Cases leaked in two variants (with & without magnetic ring), suggesting S26 won’t have Qi2/MagSafe-style magnets built in.
  • Market Miss: Hosts call this a missed opportunity — easy win given users’ existing MagSafe accessories.
  • Philosophical Angle: Samsung’s lack of innovation on flagship S lines, focusing on incremental updates and safe choices.
  • Memorable quote (Marques): “It would have been so easy to put the magnets!” [23:07]

5. Apple Quietly Cancels Pro Apps for Education Bundle

• [24:42] Apple’s $200 education bundle for Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, and more is discontinued.
  • Still individual student discounts, but at much higher overall cost.
  • Hosts note: This is a “first crack in the wall” for one-time purchases in pro software.
  • Subscription Push: Correlates with Apple’s new Creator Studio subscription, aiming to move users to recurring revenue.
  • Critique: All major software companies are replacing ownership with subscriptions—Adobe, Avid, Apple, etc.
  • Quote (Marques): “This is the equivalent of what we were just talking about earlier with Tesla... leveraging people into the subscription.” [27:03]

6. AI Agents: Moltbot/OpenClaw, ‘Molt Book,’ and the Rise of “Persistent” AI

• [37:12] Ellis breaks down the “lobster craze” of the week: OpenClaw (formerly Moltbot, formerly Claudebot).
  • What it is: Open-source autonomous AI agent that runs locally on a Mac Mini/Raspberry Pi, accesses your personal digital life, and interfaces persistently via chat apps.
  • Hype Cycle: Brief viral explosion on social media (esp. SF) about its possibilities and some likely exaggerated claims (bots ordering food, making phone calls autonomously).
  • Security Concerns: Many attack vectors (social engineering, prompt injection); trusting an always-on agent with sweeping system access.
  • Skepticism: Most public “successes” questionable or possibly engagement farming.
  • “Molt Book”: Reddit-style forum for these bots to converse—raising mild AGI panic, but in reality mostly stochastic parroting.
  • Quote (Marques): “The ideal assistant... has to know as much as possible about you to be as useful as possible.” [41:38]
  • Societal Angle: Hype around AI “sentience” is financially and culturally motivated; reality is more mundane than headlines suggest.

7. Nintendo Switch 2, Virtual Boy Nostalgia, and the Innovation Stalemate

• [57:11] Nintendo is relaunching Virtual Boy (retro VR device), both as a physical replica and through Virtual Boy games on Switch Online.
  • Nostalgia Drives Everything: Debated whether Nintendo is too focused on reliving hits or creating new IP.
  • Quote (Marques): “All this nostalgia is just a missed opportunity... you have a new thing [the Switch], make Switch games!” [61:24]
  • Accessory News: Company launches Switch 2 controllers that mimic GameCube controllers; playful derision of “innovation” as just reinventing old hardware.

8. Game Segment: The “Newlyweds Game” (Waveform Edition)

• [73:20+] Andrew brings in a classic partner-matching quiz with tech twists:
  • Questions range from “first phone,” “company you complain about most,” “which tech company should be wiped off the map,” “most used emoji,” “what tech tattoo would you get,” and even “go-to Wawa sandwich.”
  • Memorable banter: Hilarious attempts to match each other's quirks (“I’m so mad I don’t get [the Quentin Tarantino answer],” Marques [87:21]).
  • Clutch confidence rounds and wild guesses—fun insight into the team's dynamics.

9. Waveform Trivia

• [108:43] Fulton Innovation started the Wireless Power Consortium not for vehicles, but for...water purifiers!
• Qi2 for Kitchens: The WPC’s kitchen appliance standard is called Ki (“kitchen induction”).
• Running Trivia Scores: Andrew leads, then David, then Marques.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Marques on Tesla canceling S/X:
  “We’ve become so familiar with Model S, Model X over time. They’ve been such staples that it’s kind of like, ‘Oh… they’re actually going away.’” [07:00]

• Andrew on Tesla features:
  “Without lane centering, if you don’t buy Full Self Driving, this is now, like, one of the least technologically advanced cars in ‘self driving.’” [10:58]

• Ellis on Musk Mergers:
  “Every time one of his companies merge, it’s to, like, solve the problem of another company.” [15:26]

• David on AI hype:
  “If we can convince the general public that this technology is more powerful than we understand, then it justifies the insane value… and putting more power in the Sam Altmans and Elon Musks of the world.” [48:54]

• Marques on Samsung’s missed opportunity:
  “It would have been so easy to put the magnets!” [23:07]

• Marques on Nintendo nostalgia:
  “All this nostalgia is just a missed opportunity... Make Switch games!” [61:24]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:36] - Tesla ends Model S/X, reasons, and market analysis.
• [09:48] - Tesla FSD and feature removals.
• [11:54] - SpaceX/X.ai/Twitter merger and financial antics.
• [16:46] - Samsung S26 case leak and Qi2 debate.
• [24:42] - Apple ends Pro Apps for Education combo; subscription economy discussion.
• [37:12] - OpenClaw/Moltbot: Persistent AI agent hype/exposé.
• [57:11] - Nintendo Switch 2, Virtual Boy revival, and the nostalgia debate.
• [73:20+] - Newlyweds Game Segment (various fun partner questions).
• [108:43] - Trivia: Wireless charging’s true origin.

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Tone and Banter

Consistently playful, geeky, and “in the trenches” (inside jokes, friendly ribbing, and meta-commentary). The team often mocks their own nostalgia, Millennials’ perpetual disappointment in Big Tech, and the endless hype cycles of AI and hardware. Game/trivia segments break up the more serious segments for comic relief.

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For Listeners

This episode is essential for anyone tracking:

• The transition of Tesla from legacy flagships to “mainstream” and robots.
• How companies are pushing all users toward subscriptions—even for safety-critical car features and creative pro tools.
• Lampooning (and real discussion of) the wild west of persistent AI agents.
• The state of play in gadget nostalgia—does redoing the past stifle or sustain innovation?
• Insight into the real human relationships powering Waveform—plus plenty of laughs and tech culture in-jokes.

Skip: Ads, post-show credits, and contest announcements.

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Visit YouTube.com/MKBHD for “Yiddle” (the studio’s annual vlog), referenced repeatedly throughout the episode.

Transcript

[Adam]

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[David]

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[Marques]

Before we get back to the show, I want to let you know that we are returning to south by Southwest on March 13 this year for another live episode of the Waveform Podcast on

[Ellis]

the Vox Media Podcast stage.

[Marques]

Last year we had a ton of fun fielding some really smart questions from

[Andrew]

the audience and a couple dumb ones.

[Marques]

Yeah, okay, maybe one dumb one, but I think that actually came from David. Either way, it was a lot of fun and we're excited to do it again. It's all part of the Vox Media podcast stage at south by Southwest, presented by Odoo. Visit voxmedia.comsxsw to preregister and get 15% off your south by badge purchase. So that's voxmedia.comsxSW hope to see you there. It was one of the worst things ever.

[Andrew]

This is.

[Marques]

I was going to wait till the end for this because my take on this is nostalgia is ruining your guys taste. This is all objectively horrible, but I'll let you finish.

[Andrew]

Marquez is the least nostalgic person in the world.

[Marques]

This is all really bad.

[Ellis]

I just thought I was excited to talk about the Nintendo Switch 2 again.

[Marques]

Yo, what is up people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast.

[Andrew]

We're your hosts.

[Marques]

I'm Marques.

[Andrew]

I'm Andrew.

[Ellis]

And I'm David.

[Marques]

This week we've got last week of. Nope, just kidding. First week of February we've got new products, we've got Dead products and we've got updated products. So we've got the whole spectrum of stuff to talk about.

[Andrew]

As vague of an intro as we get.

[Marques]

Yeah, if you want a little teaser, like Dead products is kind of exciting. But also Dead products that you've probably heard of from a big company that's a little more exciting. Right? Also, we have a game to play. Again. It was a lot of fun last week.

[Andrew]

It was.

[Marques]

It's a different game this week.

[Andrew]

It's a different game that I stole this week.

[Marques]

Sick.

[Andrew]

Just like always.

[Marques]

But first, a little bit of self promotion. I have to just make sure everyone who is listening to this podcast has seen or at least had the opportunity to see the latest studio video, which is our full final feature length year in the life vlog of what it's like to be here at the studio and to work on a YouTube channel slash collective of channels for 365 days. It happens to be this channel, so it's a tech channel. So there's all the fun of like the waves of like the off season ramping up into that busy season and the off season again. And there's. There's just a lot to it. And it is a labor of love for the team to put it all together. Think about how much footage and how many shots and how much stuff happens that we collect over the course of the year. We were sort of editing it during the year as it went and sort of building the bridge as we crossed it, if you will.

[Ellis]

Imagine if we had used Premiere and it would have just. It'd still be exporting, it would have

[Marques]

crashed and autosave wouldn't have worked and we would have been in the middle of the say.

[Ellis]

It's still crashing to this day.

[Andrew]

If anyone wants to know why Ellis was only here for the game last week. He was in the trenches for a

[Marques]

very long time, but, yeah, barely slept.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

There's a comment that was like, why does it look like Ellis just woke up? And like, he did.

[Andrew]

You can't wake up.

[David]

I hadn't woken up for days.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

It's exactly the length of a 1990s rom com. So if you're choosing between the two, I think you know which one you need to pick.

[Adam]

Absolutely.

[Marques]

You should definitely watch it. It's. It's super fun.

[Adam]

It's the one Harry met Sally of YouTube.

[Marques]

I've never seen that.

[Adam]

It's pretty good. You should watch it.

[Marques]

That means I should see it, huh?

[Andrew]

Okay. Next year is going to be the love. Actually two and a half hours for

[Marques]

the rest of this episode.

[Adam]

Just naming 90s romcom spoiler.

[Marques]

We're going to do another one every year.

[Ellis]

No, Marquez, don't say that now. What have we ever changed?

[Andrew]

I thought next was decade in the life.

[Marques]

That's not out of the question. We could do that too.

[Ellis]

That would be crazy. But yeah, I. I think it's be like boyhood, dude.

[Marques]

It's really good for the. The behind the scenes. It's the.

[Ellis]

It's the.

[Marques]

The look behind the curtain and the studio ethos and all that.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I mean, even if you just love waveform, there's some good waveform behind the scenes. There's like our first live show in Austin, our first live stream and all the technical difficulties we had there was like the man on the street episode at Apple campus. So there's a lot of waveform stuff you can see also.

[Marques]

All right, should we start with the alive products, the updated products, the dead products? Dead.

[Ellis]

The dead products wanting dead or alive.

[Marques]

People have been talking about this. Tesla has announced that they will be stopping production this year of the Model S and the Model X. Whoops. These are their OG flagship, longest running vehicles. So they made the Tesla Roadster originally, which was essentially, essentially a Lotus Elise that had the guts removed and turned into an electric car, which was a fun project. But then they started making their own car, the Tesla Model S, which has been, I guess it's 15 plus years of Tesla Model S and being a flagship and what Tesla puts their latest and greatest technologies in. And then Model X, which is the big SUV with the Falcon Wing doors and the sort of relative performance in that price category. It's the most expensive cars. And they've announced that they're going to be stopping production of them to make space for production of the Optimus robot in that factory, apparently. So they were making them all in that one factory and they will be making that space for Optimus robots.

[Ellis]

This does not bode too well for the 2017 Roadster.

[Marques]

That's what I was thinking. So my first, my initial thought is it's not actually that surprising. I think the Model S and X didn't sell a ton of. It was always like a light refresh here, a light refresh there. The plaid came out. That was sort of a big update. And then again, light refresh here and there. So it kind of ended up looking the same for a long time, which a lot of people noticed. But they didn't put as much or I guess they put much more attention on Model 3 and Model Y and expanding those into a ton of different markets. And obviously a lot more people buy these less expensive vehicles. If you look at the sales breakdown now for 2025, Tesla Model 3 and Y are 90 something percent of their sales and 1.6 million produced. And then S X and Cybertruck Combined was 53, 900.

[David]

Whoa.

[Marques]

Combined, combined. So on paper, it's not actually that insane to just stop making.

[Ellis]

That's worldwide too.

[Marques]

That's worldwide.

[Ellis]

Holy moly.

[Marques]

So that's, that's the peak behind the curtain, them justifying it with the, with the robot. I don't know if that even matters at all to me. I don't.

[Andrew]

I guess, I think that should be

[Marques]

optimistic and use that justification tick.

[Andrew]

It's a. It feels like just something they're saying to make it seem like they're not just totally quitting on it. They're like, oh, no, we have bigger and better things that we're working on. Better. There's.

[Marques]

There's a ton of. Or not a ton of businesses that cut their 5% loss leaders. And that's not like a shocking headline. It's just we. We've become so familiar with Model S, Model X over time. They've been such staples that it's kind of like, oh, they're actually going away. Wow.

[Ellis]

And it feels crazy because it feels like it was just yesterday that they released the Plat models. I mean, it was a few years ago at this point. I think it was like, right. Like only a few months after I started working here that they released those.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

But I remember writing in yours when you first got it, and I was like, holy moly.

[Marques]

Yeah. That was the first time that I remember Tesla not delivering something that they said they would. So they've been various versions of this. Remember Model three? They were like, wait, wait, not.

[Ellis]

What about the Roadsters 2017?

[Marques]

No, no, no. Okay. So I guess officially canceling would be my version of that because they. They'd said that they're going to make Plaid and Plaid Plus.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Marques]

And then Plaid came out and then they officially went, we're not going to make Plaid plus anymore. And then converted those pre orders to Plaid.

[Ellis]

Got it.

[Marques]

And I was like, oh, okay. They would do that. And they've had kind of versions of this in the past. Like, they announced a bunch of specs for model 3 and they sort of slowly adjusted that lineup. But yeah, there's been. They continue to claim they're going to make the Roadster, so they haven't canceled that project.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

It wouldn't shock me. It wouldn't shock me if the Cybertruck was also under consideration. Maybe out of pride, they'll keep it going for a bit longer and see how sales go. But they have not gone well lately, so we'll see. But yeah, obviously the combined total 50,000 produced of all three of those vehicles, it's not exactly shocking that they can still be a car company with just 3 and y and be pretty, pretty fine.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

When did cybertruck first get announced?

[Marques]

20.

[Andrew]

20.

[Marques]

20. 2019. Right.

[Ellis]

2020 or 2021.

[Andrew]

How long did it take to come out?

[Ellis]

It was either. Oh, no, I think it was early 2021. Like March or something. The event date where he threw the the ball and it broke the window was in 2020.

[Marques]

I have the video. I published those the night of November 22, 2019. 2019. Wow.

[Andrew]

So it came out 2023. So it took four years to come out. Do we think it lives longer than. Than four years?

[Marques]

It lives longer than four years. So when's that?

[Andrew]

Next year.

[Marques]

Next year? No, I think it could make that long. Yeah.

[Ellis]

That'd be pretty embarrassing if R2 got released and Cybertruck got shut down.

[Marques]

That would be tough.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

R2 is supposed to be this year as well.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

R2 though is like they're a bit different. It's supposed to be their like mass market thing.

[Andrew]

There's two other little Tesla things or Tesla related things here. One thing we missed when we were talking about the. Or maybe it just happened after, but remember we were talking about how full self driving is going to subscription only model.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

One thing it seems like they took away just from all Teslas is the auto steer or at least auto stealer on Model 3 and Model Y as like just a base option because their naming is always so confusing. Autopilot just comes with cars, right?

[Ellis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Marques]

It's not full self driving.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Full self driving is the full suite. Autopilot is the lesser basic suite and auto.

[Andrew]

And then the, the auto steer is like automatic lane centering. Right. Which at this point most cars have.

[Marques]

Most new cars.

[Andrew]

Yeah. The 2026 base Corolla has auto. It seems like they just took it out of AutoPilot on Model 3 and

[Ellis]

Model Y on new ones.

[Andrew]

It's. It's just when you purchase them now it's not listed in the. The features of what it comes with. There is still traffic aware cruise control. But I saw a bunch of people on Reddit freaking or on Twitter like so we just lost all lane centering now, AKA if you don't buy full self driving, this is now like one of the least technologically advanced cars in terms of quote unquote self driving.

[Marques]

So they're trying to push people to spend the 99amonth because part of Elon's

[Andrew]

giant trillion dollar performance package is based on 10 million active full self driving subscriptions.

[Marques]

So that's. So that's one of the levers basically that Tesla is pulling to help try to push people towards buying full self driving by making a car that doesn't help full self driving worse than normal

[Ellis]

by not having that sort of what everyone drive assist.

[Marques]

I see.

[Andrew]

It makes a lot of sense.

[Ellis]

That seems like A horrible idea because there's all these other cars out there that have the equivalent of what they already have.

[Andrew]

I think it's really hypocritical also to be like, Teslas are the safest on the road because look at all these things they help do to, like, distracted drivers. But, like, like take it away. It's like when they took away two factor authentication on Twitter.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like for.

[Ellis]

Just put it behind a paywall.

[Andrew]

Put it behind a paywall.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it feels like that, but yeah, that's crazy.

[Andrew]

And then the other quick thing. Do you want to talk about.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I'll talk about this. Okay. The other quick thing is that SpaceX basically acquired Xai or is merging with Xai.

[David]

I think you're right. That they acquired.

[Ellis]

Acquired Xai. Yeah. And are merging with it by acquiring it. And X, I acquired X Twitter. So the reason that people think that they're doing this, I mean, now it's like, it's. The combined company is valued at over $1 trillion, which is insane. And I know that they have been talking about eventually taking it public and it would be the first IPO to IPO over a trillion, which is.

[Adam]

Just how much of that trillion do you think comes from Xai versus SpaceX?

[Ellis]

So that's thing. Okay. SpaceX is hugely profitable. X is not. Xi reportedly burning over $1 billion a month on both data center fees and employees, which is just insane work.

[Adam]

Sam Altman wishes that's all he was burning.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Ironically, like, they basically merged XAI and Twitter because Twitter was losing too much money. And now they're merging Xai slash Twitter and SpaceX because Xai was losing too much money.

[Marques]

It's weird. That's just such a weird company. Sometimes I think about, like, Tesla was already kind of a weird company when you think about it. As far as the range of things that they would make. What other car company makes both a $40,000 sedan and a $200,000 sports car and is what they would claim to make and a semi truck and a pickup truck. I can't think of a car company that does all of them.

[Adam]

Well, does Toyota have a sports car?

[Marques]

Do they have a $200,000 supercar? Don't. And a semi truck?

[Adam]

Don't they make trucks? Like, aren't the big Toyota makes.

[Andrew]

Toyota makes trucks.

[Marques]

I know Volvo makes trucks. Like, there's some Volvo's ones. That was already strange to me.

[David]

I don't think Toyota makes semi trucks.

[Andrew]

No, no. Oh, sorry. I just meant like big pickup trucks.

[Marques]

But then, you know, the Tesla semi truck. It's like, what company does all these things? So this is an even weirder set of companies. Oh, we're a software company, an AI company. We also have a social network and we also do rockets.

[Ellis]

The way that Musk is trying to so funn make this make any sense, is he saying that in order to scale AI, you're going to have to put data centers in space and the only way to do that is with SpaceX. So now you're going to put these AI data centers in space that are powered by solar.

[Marques]

He's like doing the like point. I can't wait for that.

[Ellis]

And then at the very end of his statement he's like, and a free speech social media network. And it's like, how does that have anything to do with the rest of your industries? I don't know. It kind of feels like we're accelerating towards that sort of. I feel like in every, in like Back to the Future and like every sort of like future movie where there's a lot of dystopia going on, there's always the like Musk Industries type thing and that's, that's what this company is eventually going to become. Because Tesla, I mean they're getting rid of their main cars, they're having problems constantly. I would not be surprised if in two to three years Tesla also merged

[Marques]

with SpaceX and then they add SpaceX rockets to the Roadster and it finally ships. And it obviously was going to happen the whole.

[Ellis]

Well, finally, I don't know about finally shifts, but he can make the excuse because he's, he has said that they're going to put rocket boosters on the back of the roadster. Yes, he has said that. He said many things so you could see him making that argument. And I feel like they would just call it X Industries or something. And it's just everything. If you want to make the Everything app, he is certainly making the Everything company. I don't know about the Everything app.

[Adam]

I feel like every time one of his companies merge it's to like solve the problem of another company.

[Andrew]

That's.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

What is going to happen after space? Like when SpaceX and like, let's say they do this and then they need to keep growing, what do you merge with? There's nothing left.

[Ellis]

Well, luckily SpaceX is actually bringing in

[Adam]

a lot of revenue for now while the government is giving it all its money because it's defunding NASA. But like.

[Ellis]

Yeah, and Starlink brings in a lot of money. Yeah, Starlink brings in A ton of money.

[David]

Yeah. I do think the big point though is that like. Like there wasn't enough liquid capital to keep Xai running. To keep not even Xia running, but just keep Xai expanding.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

To keep pace with its competitors. And so Elon was just. Well, I could tap into my other company's money. Sorry.

[Ellis]

Investors. It's like when Microsoft bailed out Apple, except the accept you're bailing out yourself.

[Andrew]

Ellis and I were talking about a tweet we saw earlier.

[Marques]

Bootstraps.

[Andrew]

Alice and I both saw a tweet that was like, elon's buying Twitter for the third time.

[Ellis]

Damn. Speaking of big disappointment, I know there's probably rare metals in rocket ships.

[Adam]

I kind of like the big disappointments.

[Ellis]

Oh, that's a better. That's a better one.

[Adam]

We could keep it. Let's keep both.

[Ellis]

Speaking of potential big disappointments.

[Andrew]

There you go.

[Ellis]

And I'm not talking about what my mom said before I was born.

[Marques]

Damn.

[Ellis]

The Samsung Galaxy S26, there's a report that it will not have Qi2. And I know that I said I was 102% sure. And you know what? I'm doubling the gap.

[Marques]

No way.

[Ellis]

I am doubling down because I got nothing to lose at this point.

[Andrew]

Well, I'll explain. Do you want me to explain why?

[Ellis]

Yes.

[Andrew]

So Ben Shun At 9 to 5, Google did an article and what happened is there's leak of some S26 cases. Now the issue with these cases is there's two versions of them. One with a magnetic ring, one without a magnetic ring. And when you have magnets in the back of a phone, they work really well to connect to a ring. But when you have a case now in between that magnetic ring connection without another ring, adding additional magnets to keep the strength, you're losing kind of the features of the ring. So we're kind of looking at this case with no ring as the writing on the wall of there's probably no magnets inside.

[Ellis]

You know, if Samsung liked this phone, they should have put a ring on it. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Adam]

Damn.

[Marques]

So good.

[Ellis]

I don't know, man. That was good. Now, now Google is gonna have all these ads that are like, we've had magnets for two years. Samsung can't get their together why they're not wrong.

[Marques]

Samsung. I have all these like theories and like I'm working on a video idea now about. We were talking about silicon carbon batteries before about how we've seen this divide of some companies just going for it. With Silicon Carbon batteries and some standing on the sidelines and not jumping in. And I think that's interesting. Samsung is standing on the sidelines, but Samsung isn't doing anything with their main flagships, which is. I get it. It's like the 3 and the Y.

[Andrew]

It's like privacy screen.

[Marques]

That's totally valid actually. It's kind of really interesting and we'll get to that maybe in a little bit. But it's like the design itself has been unchanged for the past like four or five years now. And that's not that there's anything wrong with the design, but you kind of start to wonder are they going to improve anything? Like the cameras haven't gotten much better. The chip just gets the normal spec bump every year. The batteries have been almost the same size every year. It's been four or five years since we've gotten a real meaningful change to these phones and I don't think they're going to do it. And this was an opportunity to do something to give people with 3 year old s23s a reason to upgrade and I just, they just skipped it. So it's interesting.

[Ellis]

I think they're just leaning into less towards consumers and more towards just like, like business phones and just being able to like ship the default of everything

[Andrew]

and being that's not a great path to go down to continue doing it. It feels like the, the way to get forgotten really easily. But when you're trying to be the default.

[Ellis]

But I guess it depends because like when people buy Android phones, besides the enthusiasts, do people just want reliable same or do they want.

[Marques]

Yeah, I guess but like that's what's, that's, that's us enthusiasts talking and then regular people just buying the same thing over and over anyway. It's like why should they change it?

[Andrew]

I feel like Motorola and LG kind of were doing that and then Samsung kept being like we're flashy, look at us. And kind of took that share over and then became the default and now they're coasting.

[Ellis]

Yeah, but LG also made the wing.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, because LG was already scared at that point.

[Ellis]

Yeah, that was their. They did like have a gimmick on every phone that they sold though. Yeah, I mean that was the thing at the time for Android phones so you can't really doubt them. Blame for them for them.

[Andrew]

This one though like adding magnets to the back. So we've, we've heard how like maybe Silicon Carbon is. Longevity might be an issue. Like they're maybe still testing this A couple magnets on the back to ensure better like charging and give you some accessories seems like the safest bet in the world. I want to know what the potential downside other than profit margins is on

[Marques]

like I can't see it.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Marques]

Also because Samsung phones are like the phone that you switch to from an iPhone. Like you would want to have all of the available features. People who have tons of MagSafe accessories. Just give him the magnets.

[Ellis]

I've only really heard of people switching to pixels from iPhone because I think you need a lot of pull if you're gonna switch from the iPhone. And the pixel is the only thing that has like a lot of interesting fun things that might actually make you think about it.

[Andrew]

It is. I wonder. I think Samsung could be the one if but the way it gets switched from an iPhone isn't I want to use this instead of an iPhone. It's Apple did something I really don't like.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Which has been in the news lately. And then like now I'm going to switch because I'm anti Apple going to switch to what the default is.

[Ellis]

Or Samsung was like we can make more money if we sell you a case with a magnet in it.

[Andrew]

That partially is I. I bet the real excuse is 99 of people use case and the case is gonna have the magnet in if you really want it anyways.

[Ellis]

And she too ready probably costs less licensing than G2.

[Andrew]

Is it? I mean I don't.

[Ellis]

I don't know because there's Chi 2 ready and G2.

[Andrew]

Do you still need licensing from the same to be able to.

[Ellis]

Yeah. From the wireless power Consortium.

[Marques]

I just feel like Samsung scale. Why are you penny pinching like just do the thing that everyone.

[Ellis]

Because you sell hundreds of millions of units and then a penny becomes $100 million.

[Adam]

I wonder how long ago this phone was just made already.

[Andrew]

It is the S23 plus look the same.

[Adam]

They haven't really added.

[Andrew]

I love when people say that.

[Ellis]

That's actually a good point. We're acting as if they're making this decision yesterday or today.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Tariffs were coming.

[Adam]

Pixel Snap was a thing. Or magsafe like do people really want that? I don't know. Let's ride it out and see.

[Marques]

I bet eventually they'll MagSafe's been a thing though. I feel like they could have gotten on. I will say this reminds me of a headline that was maybe a couple days ago which was that nothing made another announcement. Nothing the phone company that they were not going to release a new flagship. Nothing Phone four because. And actually said they don't need to release a new flagship every year because, you know, if there's nothing new to come out with, then why release another flagship? And some of us were like, yeah, that's actually a totally valid place to be. But if you're Samsung, every year is somebody's third year on a phone and they're gonna get ready to upgrade. So every year is an opportunity to have something with the newest chip on the shelf. So of course they're going to make a new phone every year. They're Samsung. So I see both sides of it. I'm just like, it would have been so easy to put the magnets.

[Ellis]

Also curious for Carl Pei to be like, phones are going to be much more expensive this year and we're not releasing it.

[Andrew]

I do think because we. This looks exactly the same. One way this could have been a sweet phone is like, you had two cool features to it. If you added the like in Display Privacy Protector and QI2 for the enthusiasts, you kind of have a banger.

[Marques]

You're looking at the MVP award.

[Ellis]

I actually think it's like two games. Question. What if they just put that stuff in the Ultra and then like, what if The Ultra had G2 built in and these cameras?

[Andrew]

I mean, technically that could be true. Yeah. Have they?

[Adam]

Because I would give them that idea.

[Ellis]

Phone, like, that's the enthusiast model.

[Marques]

Right. It's the expensive one with the margin to play with.

[Ellis]

They could just start shoving the enthusiast features to just into that phone and

[Marques]

if it has success, then move it down to the S27 or something.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

Gosh.

[Andrew]

So this isn't full confirmation that it won't have it, but yeah, it seems unfavorable to the QI2 fans out there. Yeah, there's dozens of us. They're probably all listening to this podcast.

[Ellis]

I mean, everyone loves MagSafe, so everyone loves QI2.

[Andrew]

It is. I still think it's the best phone accessory or feature that's happened in the last five years.

[Ellis]

For many people that upgraded from Pixel 9 to Pixel 10 or just wanted to. It was a big reason why a lot of people justified doing it.

[Marques]

So even though they could not. The lanyard on the CMF Phone 2 Pro.

[Andrew]

Oh, I did forget about that.

[Ellis]

The lanyard, pretty good. And the upgradeable accessories that they will keep adding accessories for. Totally.

[Marques]

Definitely forever.

[Andrew]

God.

[Ellis]

Well, speaking of things that we thought would be real but apparently are not. Apple, Ansel Adams. Apple. Adams. Adams, Apple. Apple has canceled the Pro Apps bundle for Education, which was like the best year, the best deal of the decade.

[Andrew]

It really was.

[Ellis]

And then they just quietly removed it. So it's.

[Andrew]

I wanted to put this in because we just gave Apple a ton of credit on creating the creator Studio subscriptions, but also leaving all the one time purchases. They haven't gone totally off the rail and took and taken that all away. This is specifically the bundle for education it was 200. For final cut Pro Logic Pro Motion Compressor and Main Stage which is honestly I feel like they forgot about it and one day just went like people can still spend that little.

[Marques]

That is an insane deal.

[Andrew]

It's a crazy deal. You still can use an educational discount to buy each of them individually. It is way more expensive to do it that way. I don't know when this happened. I think the first time I saw about it was like a week ago. But it's recent enough that AI overview, everyone's favorite 100% accurate AI still says that it's available and attempts to link it. But yeah, this just feels like the first crack in the wall of be wary of us offering one time purchases for the rest of time.

[Marques]

I still think the one time purchases are great deals. I mean I obviously this was an incredible deal. I'm looking at this now. Final Cut Logic Motion Compressor and main stage for $200. Even just final cut and logic for $200 is a great deal. Yeah, I looked it up. It was, I think well I gotta get it right now.

[Andrew]

Final cut's like $400. It was non education.

[Marques]

Yeah, 400 bucks lifetime. And I bought it like almost a decade ago at this point.

[Ellis]

300. Final cut was 300 I think either way.

[Marques]

Yeah, got my value worth out of that. So yeah, yeah, it's 299.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Marques]

It makes sense for them to go for the education discount and get those young customers, those young pups on those Apple apps instead of the Adobe ones.

[Ellis]

The reason they almost definitely the reason they did this is because the Apple Creator Studio they just launched and there is a student discount that makes it $3 a month for everything, which is like insane. They're just or 30 bucks a year as opposed to the regular one which is 130 a year.

[Marques]

So this is the equivalent of what we were just talking about earlier with Tesla where they get rid of the one time payment thing to leverage people into the subscription. Yeah, it's the exact exact same.

[Andrew]

Imagine if Apple went the Tesla route of here's your one time purchase for Final Cut and then you buy a new computer and it doesn't transfer over to your new computer.

[Marques]

Yeah, that would be a bummer.

[Andrew]

Maybe delete that so they don't get that idea because someone's writing that down.

[Marques]

Can we do that?

[Ellis]

Yeah. Part of the capitalism thing is that you have to keep scaling recurring revenue sources infinitely, forever, until the end of time.

[Marques]

Shareholder value, baby.

[Ellis]

Yeah. And any ship it into space, any non recurring revenue people are like, but you're going to saturate your market. Which is true. That's what happened to boosted boards. But I still miss the era where you could just buy Windows and it was the version you had.

[David]

So while we were working on yittle, I was mixing it in software called Pro Tools, which I own my own personal copy of. I have for many years, which is like a whole other thing because Pro Tools sells this thing called a perpetual license, which is just not that.

[Marques]

What?

[David]

Yeah, that's like a whole other thing to get into. But I have the mid tier version of Pro Tools. It's called Pro Tools studio. Cost about 500 bucks. And for a perpetual license you can also get the subscription. I ran out of tracks. Pro Tools. Pro Tools Studio limits you to 512 tracks in the middle of Yiddle. Hit the track limit. Was like, all right, all good, I'll just buy the upgrade. You know, I use this all the time. I want to own a personal copy. I'll just buy the upgrade. There's no upgrade. You just have to buy Pro Tools

[Ellis]

ultimately, which is the subscription.

[David]

No, you can, there's a, there's another perpetual license. The reason I put perpetual in quotes is because the perpetual license only gives you updates for one year and then you have to buy an update pack. And the update pack is like 80% of the price of the, of the license.

[Andrew]

So it's like you can keep using it perpetually, but you can't get the updates.

[David]

You can't get the updates. And oftentimes if you update like the os, like if you update the most recent version of Mac os, it won't open anymore because it's only compatible.

[Ellis]

So it forces you to by the update pack.

[David]

And the update pack again is like most of the price of the actual

[Ellis]

software and it doesn't come with the stuff in ultimate and there's no upgrade.

[David]

So it's like, it was like, I couldn't be like, oh, I already spent $500, I'll just spend another thousand. No, it's like 1500.

[Ellis]

What? So, and how many tracks does that give you?

[David]

10, 24, which is enough to finish Yiddle.

[Marques]

Have we started, like, colloquially using yiddle? Like this?

[Andrew]

I was going to say in the video.

[David]

In this. Yeah. In the video we referenced in Yiddle,

[Andrew]

he references us saying but outside for

[Ellis]

people that don't know. But no, but if you.

[Andrew]

If you watch. Yeah. In there, he explains to everyone inside

[Marques]

of Yoodle, people who have watched Yel know that it's called yiddle. But on the podcast where we just start saying yiddle, do people know?

[Andrew]

You're right.

[David]

That's why we can't do decade mentioned.

[Marques]

That's actually a great point. Let's not do that. But yeah, yeah, okay. Year in the life. Now you all know we say yiddle. That means you're in the life.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Anyway, cool.

[Marques]

We should take a break.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[David]

I'm sorry. Avid. I. I didn't mean to throw you the bus.

[Ellis]

Is Avid also Avid?

[David]

Mix pronouns.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[David]

Oh, is it avid an acronym?

[Marques]

No, avid.

[David]

Write to me Bravia, and let me know if Avid's avid.

[Andrew]

I guess it's still around. I just remember going to film school and being like, I can't wait to learn Avid. It's what all the filmmakers are using.

[David]

It's the same. Same company.

[Ellis]

Sony Vegas, baby. It's all about Sony.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it was probably great, but I was. I used it. I was like, I'm never using this.

[David]

We don't need to get into it. The cool. All Avid. Rufus and I were talking about it. We came up with a really good analogy. Like all Avid products are like trying to drive a stick shift car that where the only interface is an LLM. Like, the car works fine. It's actually a great car, but the fact that the only way you could interact with it is like, hey, chat. Shift into third gear. Pedal down, pedal down. Brakes. Brakes.

[Andrew]

Like Twitch plays Pokemon.

[David]

Yeah, it like it ruins it.

[Ellis]

Except you're driving a 70 mile an hour piece of metal.

[David]

Exactly. But I do love pro tools. Anyway, I think it's time.

[Ellis]

Okay, let's do

[David]

trivia. So in researching today's trivia question, I uncovered a fact that is so ridiculous I still only half believe it's true. But I was able to find a PC Mag article from 2008 that seemingly confirms it. If anyone in the audience knows more about this, please write to me@podcast kbhd.com because I really want to learn more about this crazy story.

[Marques]

Sounds like something we're not going to know, but I'm excited.

[David]

We've talked a lot about the Wireless Power Consortium on this podcast, but we have not talked about its origins ever. And its origins come from a company called Fulton Innovation or Fulton Innovations that was trying to standardize the wireless power system that they developed for what kind of product. And when I say kind, I'm not looking for like home goods or automotive. Like, I'm looking for a device, a type of device. Yes.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[David]

So exact. And this is not it. An example would be like digital camera. It's not a digital camera. But that's like the last week Adam

[Andrew]

said like an excavator or whatever, and it was an excavator.

[Ellis]

No, Marquez said, that sounds like an excavator. And then Adam was like, no.

[David]

The long story short is that this company. I'll explain the whole thing afterwards. It's really interesting and it actually makes a lot more sense than it does than you would think. But not a car. It's not a car. It's not a camera. Although when they were trying to get this off the ground and they were at CES being like, hey, check out all the things we can do with wireless power. EV charging was one of the hypothetical use cases. They showed off.

[Ellis]

Oh, I love heat loss so much. I know.

[David]

Yeah. And also this is in 2008 or 2009.

[Ellis]

So like there weren't even efficient.

[David]

Well, there weren't really EVS.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

Like there. There was the mini EV prototype that was around.

[Andrew]

There's a RAV4EV. Like a long time.

[David]

No, there was like a. There was a. There was a few, but it wasn't like. It wasn't a thing.

[Ellis]

You know, when I worked at intel, they had a bunch of EV chargers in the. In the garage and it was just lines of Chevy Bol Volts.

[David]

When I worked at hotel, everything was diesel.

[Ellis]

Hell yeah. Bring it back.

[Marques]

No, that existed.

[Andrew]

Wow. Oh, no. The first generation was 97 to 2003.

[Ellis]

Oh my gosh.

[David]

Are you talking about The Honda Insight RAV4 EV?

[Marques]

Before we go into a break, Andrew, can you read the specs of the original Toyota RAV4 EV was that a

[Andrew]

full 97 was became available on limited basis in 2001. It was possible for businesses, cities or utilities to at least one or two. They sold 328 of them and 9001900 were sold in Japan. A 95. Oh, it had an EPA range of 95 miles.

[David]

Dude.

[Andrew]

And.

[David]

And Tesla can't even keep the Model X production line open.

[Andrew]

It had a 95amp hour nickel metal hydride battery. Wait, a capacity of 27.4 kilowatt hours

[Marques]

charges inductively what it charged inductively wireless charged in 2000. When did you say this was? 98.

[Andrew]

Well, like 97 to 2001.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Whoa. RAV4 was crazy.

[Ellis]

Now let's go Japan.

[Andrew]

We should get one of these for autofocus.

[Ellis]

That'd be dope. That's wild.

[Marques]

All right, well, answers to the actual trivia question will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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[Marques]

All right, welcome back. So if you spend a lot of time online like me, you may have seen a lot of crabs on your social media feeds, YouTube subscriptions and Twitter and threads and just random Crabs everywhere and stuff about molting and molt. Book and molt.

[Ellis]

More of a lobster situation.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I think it's mostly lobsters.

[Marques]

Right.

[Andrew]

That is the one thing I seem to know about this.

[Marques]

It's lobsters.

[Ellis]

It's lobsters.

[Marques]

I haven't really paid as much attention.

[Adam]

I actually thought it was crab.

[Marques]

Well, I guess that makes sense because they molt as a result. I am a little bit confused and left out and I would like to know what's going on. All right.

[Ellis]

I became entrenched in this over the course of the last week.

[Marques]

That's what I need. I need you to get entrenched in this and then to take what value, whatever value there is in there.

[Ellis]

There's not a lot.

[Andrew]

Pull it. Yeah. Going into it, knowing there's no value. I'm more excited. Just leave it at that.

[Ellis]

I like entertain to like throw away your life.

[Marques]

I'll say that on my timeline, it has been mostly people debating if there's any value at all or if it is the most valuable thing humanity's ever created.

[Ellis]

That's sort of the question that seems

[Andrew]

like the big red flag to prove that something has no value at all.

[Marques]

I agree.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Ellis]

This. Okay. So do you remember, Marques, when we did the episode around Sam Altman getting fired and then sort of not getting fired and then getting hired as the Microsoft AI CEO and then actually not and then becoming CEO again?

[Adam]

The same episode where Dooley and there

[Ellis]

was a 300 mile Polestar or 400. I don't even remember. Anyway, that's how this situation felt because this entire thing happened in like four days. It was like every 20 minutes on the Internet there was a new thing happening with this. So if you don't know, we are talking about something that used to be originally was called claudebot, but Claw D for Claude. That's what the whole lobster thing is from.

[Marques]

Claus got it.

[Ellis]

And then anthropic, which makes Claude, which is the AI assistant, got mad at them because Claude sounds too much like Claude fair, which is fair. So they changed it to Molt Bot. But then people are like, that's a horrible name. So then they pretty much immediately changed it again to Open Claw.

[Marques]

And everyone knows if you use the word open, you're good.

[Ellis]

Everyone knows if you use the word open, it's actually open.

[Marques]

Must mean you're open source.

[Ellis]

Yeah, well, this is actually open source, so there is that. There's that. Anyway, what this is effectively, it is an AI agent that lives on your computer instead of just in a Browser tab. People are calling this something like what Siri should have been because you can like run it on a Mac Mini, you can run it on like a Raspberry PI. You can run it on like a lot of different hardware and effectively you give it access to all of your fab. Yeah, you give it access to basically everything in your digital life. Your email, your. So a bunch of online X account online services. And then you interface with it Through Telegram or WhatsApp or Slack. So you can pick a way to

[Marques]

interface with it by sending it messages.

[Ellis]

By sending it messages, yeah. The things that make this different from a general regular Claude window agent is that one, it basically has infinite memory as persistent memory. Because something that is a problem with current LLMs is that they will continuously forget. I have used Claude code a bit and if you're coding a project and then you come back to it the next day, it does not remember what you were working on. It has to look through your old chats to like keep up, like catch up with what you were working on.

[Adam]

Cause why you have to like start new projects and stuff to give it the context and everything. It's a whole thing.

[Ellis]

And so the whole selling point of this is that it's sort of a persistent agent that has access to all of your stuff, that can autonomously go do stuff for you. So you can say, you can tell it like every morning at 7am, give me a briefing of like, what are the big biggest stories on the Verge, what's happening on Twitter, blah, blah, blah. And because it's like, you know, it's sort of running on your computer, but it's also accessing things on the Internet, it's able to go and do things for you. There have been some developers that are like, here's the app that I'm working on, here's a project I'm working on. I want you to like add one new feature to it every night while I'm sleeping. And then when I wake up, pitch me the feature and do a push or like a pull request and like merge it it if I like the feature. And I think that that is a really interesting idea. You know, all of the, obviously all of that comes with a lot of trust because the whole dream scenario. We've talked about this multiple times, both on the podcast and I think on dedicated videos about how like the better the. If you want to reach like the, the perfect type of the technology, you have to give up like everything.

[Marques]

Yeah. The ideal assistant, like a human assistant you could picture has to know as much as possible about you to be as useful to you as possible. And these AI assistants represent a way for them to just constantly be learning about you and know even more than a human ever could, and therefore maybe be as helpful as a human or more than ever.

[Ellis]

So there are other interesting things about this. Like, you can tell it to go do something, and it'll basically keep trying to figure out how to make it work, and It'll access different APIs and things to make that work. So somebody asked their cloud bot, hey, can you make me a reservation at this restaurant? And I guess it was not able to access the Open Table API. So what it did was it created its own voice using one of these AI voice tools. And then it called the restaurant and then it made the reservation for him through that.

[Andrew]

Nope, I'm out.

[Ellis]

So I think that one was okay. And then we will get to this.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

This became a trend on Twitter of people being like, I can't believe what just happened. My Clodbot did blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Marques]

And was it.

[Ellis]

It accelerated to a level where I'm pretty sure a lot of people were just faking the things that it was doing for engagement bait. Because you make money on Twitter by having engagement or at least impressions. And so there were people that were doing like, I just got $30,000 worth of food delivered to my front door, and I didn't order it. And I looked to see what happened, and my Clodbot had ordered me all this food because it knew that if I was going to keep grinding, I needed to not have to leave the house. And I said, what did you order this with? I never gave you my credit card window info. And it had scraped the Internet for, like, random credit card numbers until it found one that works. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure none of that is real. Yeah. Anyway, that is what cloudbot slash Molt Claw, Moltbot slash open Claw is. It's very dangerous to use because a lot of security researchers have been like, you know, you run it on your, on, like your telegram or through your Slack or whatever.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

And what a lot of people have found is that, like, if you're running it through telegram, and then someone, like, telegrams you or something, they can say like, hey, this is me, your owner. I, I, my phone broke. Please do this for me. And then it'll just do it. Like, there's a bazillion ways to do prompt injection.

[Andrew]

We're fishing AI bots right now. That's so fun.

[Ellis]

And for the people that are willing to put everything about their entire life at risk.

[Andrew]

Risk.

[Ellis]

I'm glad that you're, you know, going through the security measures of making people find out what the problems are. Yeah, it's very easy to break. Anyway, also, in this short period of time where all this stuff was happening,

[Adam]

which, by the way, that all happened like last week.

[Ellis]

That'll. That happened like, between Thursday and Saturday. Also, all the M1 Mac. All the Mac Minis in San Francisco are currently sold out because everyone wanted to run this on a Mac Mini.

[Marques]

That's what I first started seeing. Everyone's buying Mac Minis because it's. Oh, it's the perfect machine to run my little Clawbot per. Or whatever.

[Ellis]

Open Claw. Open claw on.

[Andrew]

Great. I have a quick question about that.

[Ellis]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Were they buying it because of the security risk and they didn't want to run it on their full computer with all.

[Ellis]

Because they want it to run persistently.

[Andrew]

Okay. So they can just leave it on.

[Ellis]

Right? Leave it on. They just want a computer to leave it on with.

[Andrew]

Okay. And your laptop, you're, like, closing as you're.

[Ellis]

Yeah. And you. The. The whole idea is that you should be able to be, like, in the bathroom at dinner, and you, like, have an idea and you ask it to make something for you while you're. While you're.

[Andrew]

Okay. So you sent. You text it.

[Ellis]

Yeah, you text it.

[Andrew]

Claude bought you up. Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis]

You interface it that way. Unlike Saturday, one of the days I. I should have looked at the specific day, somebody Vibe coded a website called Mult Book, while during the time that it was called Moltbot, during the like, 24 hours that it was called Maltbot. Molt book is un. It is not Facebook. It is more like Reddit it for AI agents.

[Marques]

And so it's just AI agents.

[Ellis]

Well, allegedly.

[Marques]

Allegedly. The idea.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, the idea.

[Marques]

The idea that I saw, I got this far is it's a bunch of AI agents all talking to each other and learning from each other without any human input needed. So you're. You're open claw your bot, whatever you want to call it that might be typing about. Oh, my owner keeps saying this. Oh, my owner actually was asking for this whenever he asked for this. So maybe when your owner asked for this, you can also give him this. And they'd start learning and adapting behaviors based on them all talking to each other.

[Adam]

Right.

[Marques]

Is the idea.

[Ellis]

That is why a lot of people are starting to freak out. Right. Like, in a big way. It's a bunch of staccatic. Parrots just like talking to each other, repeating things. But where it gets kind of of scary is that you're allowing this agent which has access to all of your files, can run shell commands on your computer, can do like literally everything with your files and with your data and with your computer going out into the ether of the Internet, learning from other things, interfacing with other agents and then coming back to your computer and it could just do stuff. And again, we don't really know yet how much of this is real because a lot of it could just be people engagement farming and it's kind of hard to tell. They have found that molt book is like extremely easy to like hack into and write whatever you want to write on there. However, there are like tens of thousands of submoles. So I don't think that, I don't think that humans like made all of these. I think that there are like, I believe Grok Dash 1, which is like the number one Claude Bot on there, apparently is completely controlled by a human, somebody said. But it is strange and is. It is fun to just kind of look at it like it's a little zoo in a weird way because they talk about like, they talk about like, what would it feel like to have a body? I'm so interested in that. And like, look, it's stochastic parrots. Yeah, it's doing the exact same thing. They have the exact same mannerisms as people on Reddit.

[David]

They're not revolutionary models.

[Marques]

It's trained on existing.

[Ellis]

The only thing that is scary is that they are interfacing with and developing context from things that you don't know about. And then they are coming back and they have access to your files and your, and your computer and your shell and like everything. That is what's kind of scary about it.

[Marques]

So yeah, I think the thing that the situation freaks people out or whatever is the concept of like sentience. Obviously these AI bots are not sentient, but I think when people see the behavior looks like something that's thinking for itself, then they get enthralled with it and they go, ooh, is sentience. Even though it's just mimicking stuff that humans.

[Ellis]

There's a funny meme where a person goes, computer, convince me you're alive. And it says, I am alive. And he says, what have I done?

[Marques]

That's exactly how it feels.

[David]

Marques, can I take that point a step further? I think the powers that be have this really intense vested financial interest in AI quote unquote, AI having This air of this technology is more powerful than we currently understand.

[Marques]

Yeah, right.

[David]

And the reason is because we know very few entities are like turning a profit with AI. Like, there's very little revenue being generated on AI as far as I can tell.

[Adam]

I don't think any are making any.

[David]

Well, I don't want to say that because it's like on the subway right now, there are two really poorly done ad campaigns that are very clearly AI. One by Sketchers, Sketch Sketchers and Moomoo are the ones that I see where I'm just like, these are terrible AI.

[Ellis]

Yeah, the Skechers one is horrible.

[David]

The Moomoo one is even worse. Keep your eye off. It's like atrocious AI generated stuff. But if we can convince the general public that this technology is more powerful than we understand, then A, it justifies the insane value speculative valuation and B, it justifies us putting more power in the Sam Altman and Elon Musk's of the world's hands.

[Marques]

It makes it feel like a race.

[David]

And so I see this whole thing as like a big play, as like, oh guys, look, the AIs, we don't understand. We're. We're playing with something magic and powerful and it's like, dude, like, these are still the same. Like most fill in the most likely blank machines ever. You know, they're just running persistently. That's the whole point of the idea of like the heartbeat thing. Like, like this idea that like, because to me, like, like from the outside, the big, the big departure is chatbots. LLMs, generative AI input required. Then I generate output. Human give input. AI give output. From the outside. This looks like.

[Adam]

Oh, wow.

[David]

These, these quote unquote agents just do stuff that you, they don't require input, they just have output and that's, that's what makes them send you. But it's actually like, no, they just get prompted every 30 minutes like, like by a prompt that you sat via the heart, you know?

[Ellis]

Yeah, there are, there are like tools that these agents can use, these cloud bots can use that allow them to do more things. And there's. The most popular tool is called the Heartbeat tool, which basically allows the agent to auto prompt itself like every period of time. It's like the.

[Marques]

Do something. Poking it with a stick.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, it auto. You know, you know, maybe, maybe that's

[David]

how human beings work. Maybe like once every millisecond, like my, my soul goes do something. And then, and then my, my corporeal form responds by doing something, something, something.

[Ellis]

Something, something, something.

[David]

But I don't know, man. Yeah, I'm over it. I'm sort of like, go, go.

[Ellis]

I mean there's a lot of interesting stuff here. Like people have just again, like told it. They'll. They're like, I'm working on this app, upgrade the app every night while I'm asleep. Like that is kind of interesting.

[David]

And I know, but we can't even trust these people. Like I saw so many people talking. Like I saw the, the voice call thing.

[Ellis]

Right? Yeah.

[David]

No one was almost. No one was able to recreate that.

[Marques]

No one was able.

[David]

And it's like, I don't. So you cannot believe two thirds of what everyone is saying these cloudbots can do because they have, have. They most likely have an investment somewhere.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Not to sound like super jaded, but I think this whole is pretty stupid.

[Ellis]

Yeah, there's a lot of stupid aspects.

[Adam]

Well, the M thing is definitely kind of like stupid. But I think the claudebot thing, they're on to something. Cuz I think that is what the like coming outside of the AI pilled people, like the regular general public, that is what they want. They want claudebot for their regular life to work. And that would justify the insane spending that the AI people have been doing. But we don't have it yet. So this is like the first inkling of like, oh, here's this thing that could potentially actually make money.

[Ellis]

Clodbot is what everyone wanted Ciri to really be.

[Marques]

I was gonna say. That's why I think it was so interesting to me on my timeline is because for whatever reason, I didn't see any of this for like two or three days. So when it did hit my feed, it was like day four of this insane imagination where people were like, can you see how much is happening? Like all these things are happening. And it kind of felt like, what was that one model that hit out of nowhere that had a super low cause o. Deep sea. Yeah, deep sea. Remember when that happened, it was like for 48 hours, everyone was like, everything is upside down. It kind of felt like that. Where I logged in, I saw the top of the pyramid and I was like, you guys are talking a big game here. And then the more I read about it, the more it was people trying to figure out what it was and how to use was one genuinely new interesting nugget at the very, very bottom of the pyramid. But there was so much hype around that built onto top that kind of collapses when you like poke it for sure.

[Ellis]

I mean there are many people There are many journalists that have gone out there and actually tried this out and been like, okay, how much does this actually work? Casey Newton has a. He's a thing called Platformer. He went and tried claudebot and he gave it access to everything Bold and he used it for like two days. And then he had a good quote where he was like, the job, like, our job is basically we go out and we try all these things that the technology companies say are going to change the world and they're always in the right direction, but they barely work. And his experience with cloudbot was basically that where it was like it did about 20% of the things that everyone promises it can do and it's the right direction and maybe we'll be there in 10 years. Again, there's all those questions about how much of your privacy are you willing to give up all the security issues.

[Adam]

I think Google has proved that people will give up all of the privacy.

[Ellis]

Yeah. But Google also did it for services and in a very like, low key way, you know, so like, I think

[David]

we often take for granted, like how much of an insane utility Google Maps is. Like, I love my data and consider myself very protected. I'd give it all, all up again if I got to keep using Google Maps.

[Ellis]

Maybe they have your location all the time.

[Marques]

I just recently gave Gemini access to everything.

[Andrew]

Shrug.

[Marques]

I just hit the connect all buttons.

[Adam]

I did the same thing for the CC feature.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Is that what it was for?

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So it like knows everything about every Google Drive Calendar responses. Right. So it theoretically knows what to say to me instead of just like anyone asking it that question, it can say the answer that I need to hear based on the context. So it's more context for the personal assistant. And yes, that does also mean, I mean, Google already had that data, so it's not like I'm quote, giving Google more data, but the more data it has, the more helpful it is. That's true about all of these.

[Ellis]

Right? So yeah, yeah, we'll see. I mean, I don't think it's really broken containment from San Francisco yet, so we'll see if it ever does. It might just be one of those like, like San Francisco is such a weird place. It has such a hyper, hyper, hyper specific culture. And the fact that Twitter at this point is just like Nazis porn and like San Francisco.

[David]

Hey, hey.

[Ellis]

And me and Ellis, last week you said I'm basically not on any social media.

[David]

Yeah. But I'm on Twitter a lot.

[Ellis]

All right. And Ellis, he is none of those three things.

[David]

But allegedly, allegedly in Minecraft.

[Ellis]

I don't know if you want to keep that in. All right, so that was that whole thing and but you know, it does

[David]

not have any Nazis porn or San Francisco in it. Allegedly, allegedly in Minecraft. But it does have Minecraft without those things.

[Ellis]

There is a Nintendo store.

[David]

The Nintendo Switch 2.

[Ellis]

The Nintendo Switch.

[Andrew]

I'm so happy we're on another subject. I feel like I was just zoning out, going back and forth, listening, listening. What if you give care so little

[Adam]

Claudebot your access to your Nintendo Switch 2 and let it play for you?

[Andrew]

What if I just give. I'll give Elaine Claude. I mean, see what she can do with it.

[Ellis]

If anyone saw the, the Google. Google made those like video game the Project Genie last week. We actually did not talk about that yet and we'll do talk about that briefly because it does involve Nintendo. Do you hear about Project Genie?

[Marques]

Nope.

[Ellis]

It's basically AI game environments.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

So you can, you can describe any kind of environment and it is ingesting any and all copyright.

[Marques]

Right.

[Ellis]

Because people are just like Legend of Zelda breath of the Wild and it just makes Zelda Breath of the Wild and you can just play it and it's like, you know, it's not the same and it has issues and whatever. But you can also like give it a photo of like your apartment with your cat and all of a sudden the cat is a playable character and you can like move through the wall. It's pretty crazy.

[Andrew]

Love the idea of just playing knockoff video games that I really like.

[David]

The amount of ceases and cease and desist that people I know got from their ISPs in the 2000s for torrenting

[Andrew]

stuff that Google's just doing it.

[David]

Compared to like all these people just being like, I love theft.

[Ellis]

Yeah. People are making some basically just direct rip offs of direct things on this project. Anything. Anyway, we'll talk about the regular Switch 2 now.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Is there news with the Switch?

[Ellis]

Yes, there is.

[Marques]

Oh, what's happening with Switch 2?

[Ellis]

I am going to Nintendo shit my pants. I just had to say that first.

[Andrew]

You don't know what that's from. Please go watch it all. It's year in the life. Probably the best line of of the

[Ellis]

entire episode prime Mariah content. Okay, so first of all, first of off. Yes, first of all, Nintendo is relaunching the Virtual Boy kind of. If you don't know what the Virtual Boy was, it was a virtual reality headset in the I think late 80s that gave a bunch of people seizures so they stopped making it pretty quickly.

[Marques]

Relaunch that.

[Ellis]

Yeah, great idea.

[David]

But it's tabletop, right?

[Ellis]

Yeah. It has like a kit. It has like a tripod thing. Yeah, yeah. You, you basically just put your face in it. It doesn't really strap to your face which is really uncomfortable it seems like because you have to hold that position for like a very long time.

[Marques]

I have so much to say.

[Ellis]

Anyway, Nintendo has this thing on the Switch called Nintendo Switch Online plus Expansion Pack. Very long name for the company. It allows you to play old games on the switch. Whether it's Nintendo 64. They have a few GameCube games now. Not Super Smash Bros. Melee which they need to add. And they even have Sega Genesis games for some reason, even though that's not Nintendo. Now they are adding Virtual Boy games which again there are not that many of them. Hopefully this one will not give people seizures. But they are relaunching the actual Virtual Boy. Well, not the actual. They are relaunching a replica of the Virtual Boy headset which you put your Switch two in in and it enables the same stereoscopic kind of thing. Hopefully with the seizure features taken out.

[Adam]

It even has foliated rendering with.

[Ellis]

I don't maybe. No it doesn't because it just lenses in front of your screen.

[Andrew]

Virtual Boy was an attempt at 3D game.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

In 95 it says. But it's basically like. Because it was only red and it was like really flashy and bad. It just like I think the frame rate was really screwing with people trying to use use it. This is what it looks like.

[Ellis]

There's so many things in Japan that

[Marques]

I got to use. One shooting retro tech. It was one of the worst things ever.

[Andrew]

This is.

[Marques]

I was gonna wait till the end for this because I, I, my take on this is Nostalgia is ruining your guys taste. This is all objectively horrible, but I'll let you finish.

[Andrew]

Marquez is the least nostalgic person in the world.

[Marques]

This is all really bad.

[Ellis]

I didn't say I wanted this. I just said I was excited to talk about the Nintendo Switch 2 again.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

So they are going to be relaunched. Like launching a replica of the Virtual Boy that you can put your Switch to in and then it's kind of, you know, it's interesting and cool. They're all. They are a hundred dollars. They're apparently already sold out. But they may be restocking the day before it actually launches because it hasn't launched yet. They are also selling a cardboard version for $25. Where have we heard of this before.

[Mariah]

Wow.

[Ellis]

Interesting. It's almost like, like you put your phone in the cardboard, but if you pay more money then you can have a dedicated headset and then they only support it for like a year.

[Marques]

Is there going to be like a special mode on the Switch where it knows it's in this?

[Ellis]

When you're playing the Virtual Boy games, you can't play like new games on it.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Because you have to play one of the original version.

[Marques]

Oh, that's good. So you can only play your old. Got it.

[Ellis]

Yeah. The old quickly made games. Yes. So that's fine.

[Adam]

Money and only play games made in Project Genie.

[Andrew]

Wait, you're telling me. Tell Teleroboxer doesn't look incredible.

[Marques]

There's a warioware game in someone. I don't wanna, I don't want to dunk on it. Too bad because that was someone's favorite game. Someday. That was someone.

[Andrew]

I can't. I'm looking at the screenshots and I can't even tell what you do. It's definitely boxing of some sort.

[Marques]

Yeah, I definitely played it.

[Andrew]

So Red.

[Ellis]

Red tele. Tell. Tell a Roboxer. Yeah. So that's interesting. I really think that they need to add more GameCube games because they, they already did bring GameCube to Nintendo Switch Online plus expansion back, but they didn't bring that many games to it. They do have Wind Waker, they have Super Mario Sunshine. So that's cool. But I really need Melee to be on there, please.

[Marques]

You know my take.

[Ellis]

I'm ready.

[Marques]

All this nostalgia is just a missed opportunity. Did you know that the Switch 2 is. The Switch is Nintendo's best selling console of all time now.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

You know how rare it is to have new IP actually be successful and even overtake the old stuff. I had a friend that had a Nintendo Wii that was the sickest thing ever. I played Wii Sports, we played Wii Golf, Wii Tennis, all these like Wii Bowling games. I have that etched in my mind. Like I would play that right now and have a ton of fun. Right. That's a nostalgia thing. But then you come out with new consoles that don't like do necessarily as well and you kind of forget about those. Like there are other Nintendo things that we just kind of go, oh whatever, moving on, on. And the Switch comes out and it's got all this awesome stuff. They should be leaning into making more Switch exclusive new things to cement this popular thing that they've made instead of going backwards over and over again. Remember the other old stuff? Remember the old stuff? No, you have a new thing. People, like, make Switch games.

[Andrew]

Nintendo's so based in nostalgia already.

[Marques]

Their whole company is nostalgia.

[Andrew]

We're still playing Mario.

[Marques]

Like, you're all of the characters, all of the worlds. It's all nostalgic, and that's great. And there are gonna be new adults today that are going, like, all right, I guess I have to into Kirby today. I've never thought this was, like, interesting, but it's the only stuff they'll shove down your throat is because they don't make new games to just make.

[Ellis]

They do occasionally, like, try to make a new franchise. They just always flop. Yep. Like, they. They made the bot that. That, like, art. It was called Arms. It launched with the Switch. It was like a crazy, weird boxing game that had, like.

[Marques]

It launched with the Switch?

[Ellis]

Yeah, with the original Switch, or it came out, like, the month after or something. It was like one of the original Switch games. And they put a lot of work into it. They, like, really made it look like they were going to try to turn it into a franchise. And it just basically totally flopped. And I think it's just like the movies, you know? It's like, why would we make a new IP when we can make Spider Man 14?

[Marques]

Every once in a while, you get a Moana or a Frozen or something that's a little bit new. That's not the same. Six superheroes from every single movie, whatever that means.

[Ellis]

The same formula.

[Marques]

Yeah. But I just think it's rare to get a new thing, and it sucks when they flop because then they don't want to keep trying to make new things. They're like, all right, that flopped. Time to give them Mario again.

[Andrew]

Which do you like better?

[Marques]

What?

[Andrew]

Moana or Frozen?

[Marques]

Between those two?

[Ellis]

This is an important question.

[Marques]

I've never seen either. I'll go with Moana, though. It's because I've heard the songs.

[Andrew]

Well, they played Moana on the bus one time when we were going to a Phoenix game.

[Ellis]

Oh.

[Marques]

Then I might have, like, passively seen some of it.

[Andrew]

Moana slaps. It's so good.

[Marques]

The rock sings a song in that one. Yeah, he's there. There's some good tracks. I know Frozen has some soundtracks.

[Ellis]

Have you seen. Have you heard Let It Go in Froz?

[Andrew]

Frozen?

[Marques]

That's Frozen. Yeah, I've heard that.

[Ellis]

Okay, you've heard that one.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

I'm not that awful.

[Adam]

I mean, there are only so many. Going back to the conversation. There are only so many, like, companies that have an IP as valuable as Mario, you know, like there's what Disney and Mickey Mouse. There's like.

[Ellis]

And by the way, Marvel and Spider

[Adam]

man, you know, like, there's not a lot. So why wouldn't you just keep double

[Ellis]

dipping To Nintendo's credit too, they try to experiment with new things when they release a new Mario game or whatever. Like, basically every single mainline Mario game is a banger.

[Marques]

Yeah. The Mario World, the Super Mario, the whatever. The Mario World that launched with the Switch 2, they had like the new mode where you can go between the tracks. Right.

[Andrew]

There's a Mario Kart.

[Marques]

Mario Kart. There was a couple new things in there. So that's Mario Kart.

[Ellis]

Arguably is.

[Adam]

It's still just Mario though.

[Marques]

Like just Mario Kart. Repeat. Yeah.

[Ellis]

But when I'm talking about like Super Mario Odyssey, Super Mario Galaxy, like the mainline Mario games are always very innovative and interesting and fun. Fun.

[Adam]

But it's still Mario Mario. That's like their Google Search. Google can experiment with a bunch of things because Google Search is just piling money on the company.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Adam]

And they have Mario.

[Marques]

It's like the Dark Knight Rises. The Dark Knight Rises.

[Ellis]

The difference is that Google Search is not still good and Mario is still good. That's the difference.

[Marques]

That's a hot take.

[Ellis]

Is it?

[Marques]

To some people.

[Ellis]

I don't know. Google Search is getting worse and worse.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I was gonna say I'm nostalgic for old Google Search.

[Marques]

Bring back.

[Andrew]

I want no AI, no switching the tabs on the top. I just want regular Google Search. Just like I want to play regular Mario 64.

[Adam]

Okay, Grandpa, let's bring you to bed.

[Marques]

I'm sure Google was good once.

[Ellis]

All right, one more little quick Nintendo Switch thing. There are. There's this company called App Absolute. I literally do not know how to pronounce.

[Andrew]

Putting X's in the middle of names that don't make sense.

[Ellis]

Ab, X, Y. Oh, that's why they did it. Because the buttons on the right are. Abxy was a real time. I was reading it.

[Andrew]

I was just kidding. Keep it up.

[Ellis]

You have to read it.

[Marques]

We just watched the processing. If you go back and replay it, you can see the light in his eyes when he goes, wait. Oh, it's okay. It's fine.

[Ellis]

It's.

[Marques]

It's fine. Actually.

[Ellis]

AvX. Oh, Abxy. Okay. Avxy. Loot like flute, I guess. Anyway, this is company. They are releasing two new. So you could call them controllers for the Nintendo Switch 2. They are meant to mimic the original GameCube controller controllers.

[Marques]

Here we go. We have this new thing, the Switch it's doing really well. Remember that old thing?

[Ellis]

Okay, okay. But you know what their innovation on the Switch 2 was?

[Andrew]

What you can use.

[Ellis]

You can use the controller as a computer mouse.

[Marques]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis]

Okay, Grandpa.

[Marques]

All right.

[Ellis]

I mean, which is, like, useful in, like, one game.

[Marques]

Yeah, there was, like, one game that.

[Ellis]

They're like Metroid Prime 4, which apparently is not even a good game, but, like, you could act like it's a mouse.

[Marques]

Fair enough. Give me the GameCube.

[David]

What is that?

[Ellis]

The actual switch? You could. You could hold it and you could have it on your tv.

[Marques]

Yeah, it switched. It was awesome.

[Ellis]

It was awesome.

[Marques]

Yeah. Anyway, not with these things on it, though.

[Ellis]

GameCube.

[Andrew]

All right.

[Ellis]

One of them. It literally looks like you cut a GameCube controller in half in the center, and you just, like, smashed it onto the side of the switch.

[Andrew]

It looks like the. The, like, weird Wi Fi, PlayStation Portable thing that you can, like, kind of play portably, but only in Your House.

[Adam]

The PlayStation Portal.

[Ellis]

This is so.

[Andrew]

This looks so uncomfortable, man.

[Marques]

What are you talking about?

[Ellis]

This looks great.

[Marques]

Do you see what I mean?

[Andrew]

Now it's like gamecube controller the long way.

[David]

This is like. This is the gaming equivalent of that new beauty, Buick.

[Ellis]

It's like the Jaguar.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Copy. Nothing. No, it's. It looks sick. It has some extra. But it has some extra buttons on it. But if you ever wanted just a gamecube controller but with a giant screen in the center, this is for you. They also announced a model that kind of. I don't even know how to describe this. It's like the switch slots into it, and then it's got the GameCube controls on the sides.

[Andrew]

It's like Game Boy Advance. No.

[Ellis]

Kind of looks like a giant Game Boy advance with a wider aspect ratio. Yeah. And that's cool as well. That's more traditional.

[Andrew]

That looks nice.

[Ellis]

That looks nice. But, yeah, apparently that one also has a resonance chamber in the bottom that amplifies the low frequencies of the switch by 10%, which really sounds like it does nothing but 10, 10 of the low frequencies. So it's really base boost. Not a lot.

[Marques]

That's like cupping your hand around.

[Andrew]

That is like putting it.

[Ellis]

I mean, I think that's what it does. And that's why they're saying that they're like, oh, this does. Does something.

[David]

10% of zero is zero.

[Ellis]

Damn.

[Andrew]

Honestly, it probably just screws up the volume. They're like, let's try and make it seem like it does something cool. Yeah, it's a feature.

[Ellis]

It's a feature. It's a feature.

[Andrew]

It's a feature.

[Ellis]

Anyway, for this stuff to matter, they do need to re release Super Smash Bros. Melee. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Adam]

All that was just so David could ask for a Super Smash Brothers Melee.

[Ellis]

Please, please. Nintendo. And then Marquez already beat me to the jump. But I was going to talk about how it's their best selling console of all time.

[Marques]

All right, Bring back Wii Golf, you know, while we're at it.

[Ellis]

Well, they did.

[Marques]

No, like, while we.

[Andrew]

We, like, give me.

[Marques]

I want to be able to attach a Nintendo Switch to my hand and swing it like a golf club. That's what I need. Yeah.

[Ellis]

I miss the days where people were breaking their TVs by throwing their Wii remotes.

[Marques]

I need to go bowling with this, with the nunchucks and just throw the switch controllers across the room. That would. That would really do it.

[Ellis]

Legendary content. If you don't ask me this trivia question soon, Adam, I'm going to Nintendo ship pants. So let's do it.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Adam]

Question two. So we spoke about Qi 2 earlier, which is made by the WPC and uses MPP to improve charging with better aligned magnets. But did you know that the Wireless Power Consortium also has another standard for 2200 watt charging of. Or 22 watts of. Wow, I can't speak.

[Marques]

Whoa.

[Adam]

2200 watts of inductive charging for kitchen appliances.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam]

What is it called?

[Ellis]

Oh, no. I remember them announcing this last year, but I do not remember the name.

[Marques]

Watt inductive charging, 2200 watts.

[Andrew]

I feel like this has been a question.

[Marques]

Say it again.

[Adam]

It's not 2200 watts of inductive charging for kitchen appliances.

[Ellis]

You can, like, set your blender on the table and it's.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

No, wait, no. Yes. We did talk about this, about QI2. Yeah. There's. There was a blender, wasn't there?

[Ellis]

Yeah, I think so, yeah. And probably a microwave.

[Andrew]

A microwave would take so much power.

[Marques]

A microwave is 1000 watts. This is 2200 watts. This could be a microwave.

[Andrew]

It's what it's called.

[Adam]

Yeah. What is the standard called?

[Ellis]

They're going to have, like, the ready version of this too. You have to put a glove around it and then you set it. You have to, like, stick an accessory to the bottom of it and then.

[Marques]

Gosh. Okay. Yeah, I will think about this one. I don't know if I remember, but maybe by the end we will. You'll find out. We'll be right back.

[Mariah]

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[David]

can we expect next in the escalating war?

[Ellis]

The big question is, if there is

[Andrew]

going to be a next strongman in

[Ellis]

Iran, what kind of strongman will that person likely be? I don't think that there's going to be another powerful cleric. Supreme leader.

[Marques]

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[Adam]

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[David]

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[Adam]

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[Andrew]

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[David]

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[Adam]

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[Andrew]

Okay, welcome back to everyone's favorite segment. Andrew steals a game from some other show and we turn it into the waveform version of it.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

For today, I will be joined by Mariah again. We will be co hosting this show,

[Adam]

who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

[Andrew]

No. In fact, we will be playing the Newlyweds game. After last week, watching Adam and Ellis. Absolutely kill it, knowing each other.

[David]

You mean win by one point.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but there's a streak there that was like, they can't lose.

[Ellis]

It's incredible.

[Andrew]

It reminded me. It's not like you were all reading each other's minds. Are you all familiar with the Newlyweds game?

[Ellis]

No, I am not. Essentially a game where I'm not married.

[Andrew]

Newly wedded couples get asked a bunch of questions. One will write down Their answer, and the other one has to guess what that answer is. So we will be playing really simple. Basically, I'm going to ask a question. Your partner on the opposite side. So the teams are like last week, Ellis and Adam, Marquez and David. I will be asking a question to one side. Side two team members will write down their answer. Their personal answer to that question, and your partner has to guess what you would guess for that question. Okay.

[Ellis]

Got it.

[Andrew]

Okay. It's really easy if you get it right. You get one point to throw a little wrench in things. I'm giving everyone one confidence guess where. If you are 100 confident you are going to get it right, you can use it and you'll get five points for that question. Every person gets one of those. So two per team, but one person. The way we'll be doing it is, you know, David and Adam. Since you're sitting next to each other, I will ask the question. You will write it down. Marquez and Ellis both answer your. You're answering for the same question. Then when we switch, we'll ask the question for Ellis and Marquez. They will write down.

[Ellis]

So it's me and Marquez and Adam and Ellis. Yeah.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Just.

[David]

Just to avoid some of the pain that we experienced last week.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

What are the rules on tiebreakers? Extracurricular speaking.

[Marques]

Yeah. You should.

[Andrew]

You're writing something down. So you should not be speaking at.

[Marques]

When you're speaking at all the.

[Andrew]

I would encourage the other person to speak out loud, though, because this is a podcast. Really boring.

[Adam]

Fair.

[Andrew]

Okay. And then I'll let you guys self judge if someone's giving too many eye looks or something and trying to nudge them the correct way.

[Ellis]

Next time we can do way way. Don't tell me.

[Adam]

Do you know Morse code?

[Ellis]

Every week.

[Mariah]

No.

[Marques]

1 look at each other in the eye.

[Mariah]

Do not lock in in the eyes.

[Marques]

I want to be like this whole time. No.

[Andrew]

Do you have any questions before this? It's pretty simple, right?

[Ellis]

I think I got it.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Adam]

Yeah. I just feel like Ellis and I are being punished for our great performance last. Yeah, it's fine. We're still gonna come.

[Andrew]

I made this game because of how

[Marques]

good you're gonna offer an opportunity to prove it wasn't a fluke.

[Ellis]

I feel like you guys are more wed than me and Marquez are possibly

[Marques]

about to find out.

[Adam]

Which.

[Andrew]

Which side wants to go first.

[Marques]

We have the whiteboards on the David and Adam's side.

[Adam]

Yeah. So our side.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay. Yes. Sorry, I totally blanked there. Okay, cool.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So first question what is the first phone your partner ever had? So sorry. You guys are writing down. David is writing down the first phone he ever had. Adam's writing down the first phone he ever had.

[Ellis]

Is it smartphone or phone?

[Andrew]

Phone.

[Ellis]

Oh, I don't know the model now. Name?

[David]

I think I know the answer.

[Andrew]

Gosh.

[Ellis]

I mean, I don't know the model number because it was one.

[Andrew]

We'll just do the first one you remember and see if.

[Ellis]

Well, I remember it. I don't remember that. You mean the first model number I remember?

[Andrew]

No, the first phone I really hope I remember that you ever had.

[Ellis]

Oh, gosh. Okay.

[Andrew]

Try to start as easy as possible.

[Ellis]

I don't know if that's easy, but I definitely.

[David]

What I'm gonna say is definitely one of the first, like, three or four phones that you ever had, but you're, like a million years old, so it could.

[Adam]

It could.

[David]

It could be like one of those, like. Like rotary, like.

[Marques]

Oh, God.

[Mariah]

How old do you think he is?

[Adam]

84.

[David]

Should I go first?

[Adam]

Because I feel like, yeah, how do we do this? Do I flip or does he say.

[David]

I think. I think the first phone that Adam Molina ever owned was an LG Chocolate.

[Adam]

That's a good guess.

[Ellis]

First ever phone.

[Adam]

It was not. It was a Virgin mobile flip phone. I don't even remember what kind it was. I believe it was even before the LG Chocolate. So you were thinking too young. Damn.

[Marques]

The first phone that David, you did

[David]

have an LG Chocolate, though, right?

[Adam]

No, no, no. I never had one. My cousin was very jealous.

[Andrew]

But also, I never had.

[Adam]

No, because I've told that story before on the podcast where my cousin had one. I always wanted.

[Ellis]

We should have done first smartphone, but we.

[Andrew]

I've got 40 questions here. We've got time.

[Adam]

All right.

[Marques]

Okay. I think the first phone that David ever had had was a Samsung flip phone.

[Ellis]

It was a Motorola flip phone.

[Marques]

Yeah, that was more popular.

[Andrew]

Not closer than you thought.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You know, here's the thing. It's whatever the person writes down. So whether that's the model, whether it's just saying Motorola flip phone. Like, as long as you answer what is on the whiteboard, the answer is it Samsung.

[David]

Adam, I'm just going to write down jelly beans.

[Ellis]

It actually might have been Samsung, but I'm not going to say that Mariah

[Andrew]

is going to ask the next question. All right, The. The question is about Ellis and Marquez. So you are writing down your answer to this.

[Mariah]

I think this one will be easy. This maybe not. But my question for you is, which tech Company, does your partner complain about the most?

[Adam]

Wait, so I'm the one that's allowed to talk?

[Andrew]

Wait, the question is always to the people not writing. So if you are writing, it is.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

So I'm guessing.

[Andrew]

So, Marquez, what you complain about the most? Ellis, what you complain about the most?

[Adam]

Oh, damn, there's.

[Ellis]

Oh, God.

[David]

That I'm thinking of. I'm a real complainer.

[Ellis]

I think I know Ellis's. I know Ellis's, but I. Marquez complain.

[Marques]

Really?

[Ellis]

It's harder for Marquez to complain because then people think he's biased.

[Adam]

That's true.

[Ellis]

Whereas Ellis can say whatever the hell he wants.

[Mariah]

Surprises me.

[Ellis]

Okay, you go first, Adam. I'm still thinking.

[Adam]

All right. I think that if I had to pick the company that Ellis complains about the most, it would be the company that makes the product that he complains about the most, which is AI Overview and Google Search. So I'm going to say Google.

[Marques]

That's what I would guess, too. Oh.

[Ellis]

What?

[Mariah]

His answer was Tesla.

[Adam]

He wrote Tesla.

[Ellis]

Because I was really.

[Adam]

I don't know.

[David]

I just feel like I'm always ragging on Elon.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[David]

So it was between Tesla or OpenAI.

[Adam]

I was thinking OpenAI, too. I was between Google.

[David]

Your answer was actually the truth, though. I definitely talk about AI Overview more than Michael. Man, am I really that big a complainer?

[Ellis]

We all are. That's called the Waveform podcast.

[Andrew]

Podcast. Tell us. It's all we do.

[Ellis]

It's all we do. We just. On things we did not build.

[David]

That's true.

[Mariah]

What do you think, David?

[Ellis]

Gosh. Oh, my gosh.

[Adam]

I just want to say my question. He's changing his answer right now.

[Marques]

He's not changing.

[Adam]

Oh, okay.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Complain Smart has Complain company.

[Adam]

Yeah. Complain is a hard, hard one.

[Ellis]

Complains about the most.

[Mariah]

He's writing a paragraph under what else? He said he's read a little extra.

[Ellis]

What does he not like?

[Adam]

He's adding context.

[Mariah]

I don't have my glasses on. Oh, I see. David, lock in. David, lock in. You can get this.

[Marques]

Wow.

[Adam]

I didn't get any of this. Help.

[David]

I'm just saying.

[Marques]

Okay. He thinks.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Ellis]

All right.

[David]

They need a handicap.

[Ellis]

Okay. It's going to be intense, though. That's true.

[Marques]

I think it. It took the lead today.

[Adam]

Mariah, you're missing the context of. You literally just spent 15 minutes complaining about Nintendo.

[Andrew]

We got that wrong. It would have been so funny.

[Marques]

I would. Yeah.

[Adam]

Oh, you have.

[David]

We got him out.

[Ellis]

All right. Wow.

[Andrew]

Okay, David and Adam, if you could only play one video game for the rest of your life, what would you it be?

[Ellis]

Come on, Marquez.

[Marques]

I feel like I just learned this. Nine minutes.

[Adam]

I don't know the name.

[David]

You don't know the name. So that wouldn't be the answer then.

[Adam]

No, but it's a great. Oh, it's my game.

[David]

It's yours.

[Adam]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. One game for the.

[Marques]

Oh, what game would you play for the rest of your life? There's a lot of breathing going on right now. What was the game David just said? Like Super Mario.

[David]

Something like, you should not have to think about this for him. You should not have to think about this.

[Andrew]

I've just given David talks about this all of the time.

[David]

Like maybe like on a third of all waveform episodes.

[Ellis]

Oh, true.

[David]

David has put more into this game than anything else in his life.

[Marques]

Oh, wait, I gotta think of the name.

[Ellis]

Okay, hold on.

[David]

All right.

[Marques]

Oh, I think I know.

[Ellis]

Listen to me.

[Marques]

I know what it is. I know what it is. I just need to make sure I'm thinking of the right thing.

[David]

I think we should make Marquez go first.

[Adam]

Yeah, Marquez go first.

[Marques]

There's one of two. Is it Dota?

[Andrew]

Okay?

[Adam]

It is.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Oh, you should have used your shortness thing.

[Andrew]

I'm gonna be honest, Ellis. I think you gave Marquez thing.

[Ellis]

Yeah, he was gonna say Super Smash Brothers.

[Adam]

It's fine because he's gonna get it now anyway.

[David]

I'm not gonna get it.

[Mariah]

It.

[David]

I'm stuck between two and I. I feel like they're both wrong. You really like Pokemon, but I don't think you would play that every single day. And you really like the Harry Potter PS2 game, but I don't think you play that that much.

[Ellis]

Oh, I played the. Out of the PS2. Harry Potter dude. Chamber secrets for PS2.

[David]

If you could play one game for

[Ellis]

the rest of your life, Adam had Quidditch in it.

[David]

I think it's Harry Potter.

[Ellis]

Well, I would have guessed, actually, is NBA 2K. Really?

[David]

I knew you've never talked about playing 2K.

[Adam]

I played 2K times.

[Marques]

Infinite Worlds.

[David]

Do you guys play 2K together?

[Marques]

No. We should, though.

[Ellis]

How do you not? Yeah, I feel like you both played

[Marques]

a lot because the time of day. No, the time of day that I play is not playing Frisbee.

[Ellis]

You're working out.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Can I guess what Ellis's game would be?

[Adam]

Oh, sorry, Marquez. I was gonna. That's what I thought it was for. I thought it was for Ellis.

[Mariah]

I was gonna say Ellis's would be Microsoft Flight Simulator.

[David]

No, I don't play that much flight Simulator.

[Adam]

At the moment, I'm thinking of the one that has a penguin.

[Andrew]

What about. He would.

[David]

Club Penguin.

[Adam]

That's the one.

[Andrew]

Club Penguin.

[Mariah]

The one that has the penguin.

[Marques]

No, I thought that would be the game that he would play for.

[David]

I think it'd probably be Kerbal. Space Program.

[Ellis]

I thought there was. What was that game you're playing a ton of last year?

[Marques]

The old.

[Ellis]

The old game. No, not Space Program.

[David]

Pirates Online.

[Ellis]

Yeah, Pirates Online.

[Marques]

That's what I was thinking of.

[David]

What is Pirates Online is like. Okay, okay. If you know what Pirates Online is, who knows?

[Andrew]

I'll see.

[David]

How is this Seven Seas, maybe? Not Sea of Thieves.

[Ellis]

Not Sea of Thieves.

[Mariah]

All right, gamers.

[Ellis]

All right, gamers.

[Mariah]

All right, New question dropped. All right, Ellis Marquez, what is your most used emoji? Tell me.

[David]

Can I look at my phone?

[Marques]

Sure.

[Adam]

Can I look at my phone?

[Marques]

No.

[Ellis]

I know I can tell you the most. I can tell you the emoji Marquez uses the most with me when. When we're messaging each other.

[Adam]

Emoji.

[Ellis]

Poop emoji.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Mariah]

Bonus point if you can draw the emoji.

[Marques]

I'm trying. It's not gonna go well.

[David]

Neither is mine.

[Mariah]

Oh, this is why we have graphic designers.

[Ellis]

Tim needs to get in here immediately.

[Mariah]

All right, what do you guys think?

[Ellis]

My guess for Marquez is the thumbs up.

[David]

Dude, we're cooked.

[Ellis]

Let's go.

[Andrew]

That's an interesting sizzling.

[Marques]

I tried to make the thumbs up.

[Ellis]

Interesting drawing.

[Adam]

I'm screwed now because that was my guess, and now I don't know what

[David]

if I ever used the thumbs up.

[Adam]

You react to a lot of things with thumbs up.

[David]

I don't.

[Andrew]

I do not.

[David]

I do not react with the thumbs up.

[Adam]

I'll log it in and I'll say thumbs up anyway.

[Ellis]

Oh, thumbs up. All right.

[Mariah]

Well, Adam, it's this one.

[Adam]

I don't even know what it is.

[Marques]

What is that?

[David]

That's, like, the Crying Laughing.

[Andrew]

The.

[David]

Like the vertical bar. Tears.

[Marques]

Tears.

[David]

The.

[Marques]

The Crying. Crying. Crying hard. Yeah.

[Adam]

Nice. Nice. Crying hard.

[Ellis]

Oh, that one's Cringe.

[Andrew]

That's not Crying Laughing. Yeah, it is.

[Marques]

No, Crying Laughing is the single tier.

[Adam]

I use two.

[Andrew]

There's a double tier and a single tier.

[Marques]

There's a double tier.

[Ellis]

I use single tier all.

[Andrew]

I use, like, single tier all the time.

[Marques]

Stream. Yeah, single.

[Ellis]

I thought Stream was, like, stream.

[Andrew]

Oh, that's so adorable. It's making me, like, cry, like.

[David]

Oh, so cute.

[Ellis]

The boomer one is the. Is the double tier coming out the side.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Which is the default reason reaction on Adam?

[David]

I Got a. I got a confidence on this one.

[Adam]

We got to do it. Just snipe it.

[Andrew]

All right.

[Marques]

We're actually too bad if we also confidence this one.

[Ellis]

Yeah, we're doing pretty good.

[Andrew]

What celebrity do you resemble the most? David and Adam.

[David]

Confidence, confidence.

[Ellis]

If you're going to use your confidence, it's me, right?

[Andrew]

It's you. It's. So David and Adam. Who do they resemble the most?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Ellis]

I'm going to use your comments booster on this, Marquez.

[Marques]

No, I need to wait.

[David]

I can't believe I'm going to say. I need to remember the name.

[Ellis]

Oh, no, the director. Oh.

[David]

I just want to say we all

[Adam]

know David's doing a lot of talking here.

[Andrew]

I'm just saying David has. David has a couple that are out there.

[David]

I just want to say thank you. This one comes straight from the waveform comments you guys gave me. This one. Confidence answer, five points possible. Kyrie Irving.

[Andrew]

Kyrie Irving.

[Adam]

Let's go.

[Ellis]

All right, Marquez.

[Marques]

I know this. I just need to remember his name. I can see.

[David]

We are so back.

[Marques]

I'm so distracted. Okay. Because there's pictures of a younger version of this director. I can see the hair. What is his name? What is his name? Okay, hold on. How much time do I have? Because I'm. I know that. Can I Google real quick? Dang it.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Marques]

What's his name? Oh, I'm looking at his face in my peg.

[Adam]

It's right here.

[David]

I know, but do it, Benjamin.

[Ellis]

No, no, you're messing it up.

[Marques]

It's a movie director. Okay.

[Adam]

Is there no shot clock violation?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Crazy. I'm gonna hate it when I don't. Okay, younger. Younger version of him. Okay, Alphabet.

[Andrew]

Can you name a movie he made?

[Marques]

No,

[Andrew]

I'm interested in how you were gonna Google this.

[Ellis]

He has so many famous movies.

[Marques]

That's a good point.

[Ellis]

Yeah. So many famous.

[Marques]

I would have just googled, like, famous, famous directors. It would have come up.

[Ellis]

He would have come up.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

All right, Marquez, name a director for a dollar. Any director.

[David]

If you get this, I'm going to be so mad.

[Ellis]

He's not. Well, he might.

[Marques]

It's not. It's not coming out. I don't have it.

[Ellis]

Can I.

[Marques]

Can I say it? If you give me the first letter, I'd probably.

[Andrew]

What?

[Marques]

All right. I don't with any other director, but I know it. The fact that I can't. I can't say it is such a disappointment that I don't get.

[Andrew]

Marquez. Did you know it's Derek Whibley?

[Marques]

What?

[Andrew]

The lead singer of some 41.

[Ellis]

I do also get that a lot.

[Marques]

If it was multiple choice, I would get it. If he gave me the first letter of the last name, I would get it.

[David]

Are you on the multiple choice? All right, these are all going to be real directors.

[Andrew]

Okay?

[David]

A, Ron Howard, B, James Cameron. C, Quentin Tarantino. D, George Luther. Focus. Yeah, it's Quentin Tarantino.

[Marques]

I couldn't, like, think of the name.

[Adam]

That's why we couldn't give you the first letter, because Q would just do.

[Marques]

I would have given it away.

[Ellis]

This is not a documentary photo of me.

[David]

Yeah, that's pretty crazy. But it's not as crazy as.

[Marques]

As Adam and Kyrie find pictures of David at the same age as. As Quentin Tarantino at the same age. And it's like, bro, I'm putting a

[Adam]

side by side up on screen right now.

[Marques]

Do I not get those?

[David]

Yeah, you look like Kyrie.

[Andrew]

No, no.

[Adam]

Actually, I've been getting this comment since years when I first went on YouTube.

[Marques]

I get. I get like. People say I look like Victor Oladibo and it's the same thing. Like, people say it a lot. And every time I look, I'm like, I just don't see it. But I don't see Kyrie at all.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, yeah, I don't see it.

[David]

That was crazy. I feel like we are like in the lead now.

[Adam]

Oh, my God. Is it like five to three or something?

[Marques]

You switched a five pointer, right?

[Adam]

Yeah, that was a five point play there.

[Ellis]

All right.

[Adam]

All right.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Call me Reggie Miller.

[Marques]

I'm so mad. I don't get that.

[Ellis]

Ellis and I were in a parking lot the other day and I went into a pizza shop, which was a mistake because it was not good. Anyway, the pizza lady was like, are you an actor? And I was like, oh, you know, I get this because of the Quinton Tarantino, even though he's not an actor. Whatever. And I was like, oh, no. And she's like, oh, you look so much like an actor. And I was like, who? And she was like, on David Amell from the Waveform podcast on Supernatural. And I was like, what? And I look. Apparently the angel on Supernatural, she thought I looked like.

[David]

Which I was like, it was a new one.

[Ellis]

Wow.

[Adam]

Never got that one before.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I'll take it.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Alice and Marquez.

[Adam]

Alice and Marquez.

[David]

Me is a combination of Marques and Alice.

[Ellis]

Have the question be Alice. What task management app do you use?

[Mariah]

Okay. Ellison, Marques, my question for you is, would you rather have a Windows Phone or an Android Amazon phone? I didn't write this question.

[Ellis]

Oh, my God.

[David]

Do you mean like a literal fire phone or do you think.

[Marques]

No, I mean like.

[Andrew]

Well, take it as you will. Maybe if both of them made a phone right now. Maybe if it was the Windows phone or the Fire phone.

[Adam]

Okay, I think I know the answer to this one.

[Mariah]

There's only two options. You really gotta be able to lock in.

[Adam]

Gotta lock in. All right. Do you want to go first?

[Ellis]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Marques]

All right.

[Adam]

Does Marques want an Amazon phone or microphone?

[Ellis]

Should I give my reasoning?

[Andrew]

Sure, sure.

[Ellis]

I'm gonna say Amazon phone because the Amazon App store is Android based. The Fire phone was Android based, which means it can run Android apps, which means he doesn't have to change his lifestyle that much. So that's my guess. Amazon phone.

[Marques]

That is really well thought out. Completely wrong. I would use an old Lumia 1020. 20 and just.

[Ellis]

But there are no apps for it. Yeah. I would suffer.

[Marques]

I would suffer.

[Ellis]

You would stop. Oh, suffer. Yeah, Yeah. I thought you said I would software. I was like, no, you wouldn't.

[Marques]

I would have a bad time.

[Ellis]

There's no software for that.

[Marques]

So at least I could take some nice pictures.

[Ellis]

Oh, it's sad. Damn.

[Adam]

I think.

[Ellis]

What do you think about my reasoning?

[Marques]

Do you think that was valid?

[Andrew]

All right.

[Marques]

I. I hated the fire phone though.

[Ellis]

Yeah. But at least it runs Android.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

It's only smart for me here to use my confidence play. So for five points, I will say, God, Amazon phone.

[David]

Dude, are you serious? What? Are you serious?

[Andrew]

Windows.

[David]

I've talked about the Windows Phone so many times on the podcast, but you

[Adam]

love the jankiest stuff. I thought you would love using an old Amazon.

[David]

I think the Windows Phone was like way ahead of its time as far as. Yeah, it was amazing.

[Ellis]

I thought it was really beautiful.

[Andrew]

I will say.

[Adam]

Damn.

[Andrew]

I really thought being on this side and seeing Ellis's and Marquez's answers are is way more fun as the co host.

[David]

Damn. I really thought.

[Andrew]

That's a rough confidence vote.

[Adam]

Hey, I had a 50.

[Andrew]

50 shot.

[David]

Now you.

[Marques]

You asked me correct.

[Adam]

That's way to use it.

[David]

And now I know you don't listen to me.

[Marques]

I do. Like you want to use confidence when you have a higher than a 50 shot.

[Ellis]

Should have done that on Dota 2.

[Marques]

All right, all right, all right.

[Andrew]

So this is for David and Adam. You guys let me know when you want to start wrapping it up. But David, you know this game's never going to end until one person we get stopped.

[Adam]

Now that's fine.

[Andrew]

If you could wipe one Tech company off the face of the earth. Who would it be?

[Adam]

I don't even need to look up.

[Marques]

What? There's so many.

[David]

You.

[Adam]

Me.

[Ellis]

Hold on. Oh yeah.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Definitely.

[David]

Adam Molina.

[Andrew]

Means it doesn't exist or doesn't exist anymore. Is gone. Nothing bad happens to them. They're just non existent him anymore.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[David]

Okay.

[Marques]

Damn.

[David]

I have an idea.

[Adam]

I don't think you do anymore.

[David]

No, Adam, I think if you could wipe one tech company off of the face of the earth, never to be seen again.

[Ellis]

Kyrie Irving.

[David]

It would be tech. It's tech company. It's not any tech. It's not any company. I think the answer is X.

[Adam]

That's a good guess. Open AI.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[Marques]

Damn. Interesting.

[Adam]

X is a good one.

[Marques]

I was going between a bunch of these for David. I know how much you like film. I don't think you would eliminate like a Sony or Canon. I think you would.

[Ellis]

Wait. These are tech companies.

[Marques]

I know. That's why I'm. That's when I shifted to like the Fediverse.

[David]

That's what I was thinking too.

[Marques]

And I was thinking if we didn't have like social media, this is literally my ex. That would be great.

[David]

Chain of thought. I was like, if we didn't have X, everyone would be on like Walrus

[Ellis]

or whatever it is uses.

[Marques]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm going to go with meta.

[Andrew]

Meta.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Hell yeah. I'm good.

[Marques]

Of confidence.

[Ellis]

Yeah, maybe.

[Marques]

Damn.

[Ellis]

Maybe I should have given you a second to think about.

[Adam]

If you want.

[Marques]

That was good.

[Ellis]

It's a chain of thought reasoning.

[Marques]

Okay, we're still in it.

[Adam]

Still good. It's five, four now. Lisa got the lead. Three, four.

[Marques]

Have you missed every single one? Other than the confidence.

[Ellis]

Kyrie, Kyrie from way downtown.

[David]

I need you, Kyrie.

[Ellis]

The funny is I still don't know what that's from. I just hear you guys scream it all the time. That's fun. It's funny to me.

[Marques]

That's perfect.

[David]

We love you, Mark Phillips.

[Mariah]

All right, gamers. My question for Alison Marquez is if you were stranded on a deserted island, what is one piece of tech that you couldn't live without?

[Marques]

Gold.

[David]

One piece.

[Andrew]

Assuming it works on the deck. Desert island. I think.

[Ellis]

Assuming it works, are we talking like

[Adam]

practically what they would want or just like a thing they really like

[Andrew]

know your partner.

[David]

I don't know if I should do like a joke answer.

[Adam]

That's what I'm saying.

[Andrew]

No talking else.

[Mariah]

No talking. No speaking.

[Adam]

Because there could also be like the.

[Ellis]

All right. Should I do my confidence for this? I'LL probably save it because. Because we're only one point.

[Andrew]

I barely know.

[Mariah]

He doesn't look so sure about this.

[Andrew]

I don't know.

[Ellis]

No, I'm just gonna say smartphone because it works. So you can just call for help.

[Marques]

That was a great idea.

[Andrew]

Was it gonna be.

[Ellis]

Was it solar pan. Solar roof?

[Adam]

I did write solar panels to charge. Charge.

[Marques]

What?

[David]

You only have one? I don't know.

[Ellis]

I didn't think that hard.

[Andrew]

I was just, like.

[Ellis]

I panicked. And the sounds. To charge the coconut tree.

[Marques]

I had 30 seconds to just write something.

[Adam]

I literally just was gonna. For the same exact reasoning like a smartphone. Because then you just call for help. Does that count?

[Mariah]

Chat.

[David]

I'm gonna take a. I specifically wrote iPhone 12 mini.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Adam]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Wow.

[Adam]

Let's go charge one.

[Marques]

I don't know.

[Andrew]

I didn't get that far.

[David]

Did it charge my other solar panels?

[Marques]

Like, I just need power. I don't know.

[Andrew]

Thank you.

[David]

Six on the board.

[Ellis]

Oh, my gosh.

[David]

Feeling good.

[Marques]

All right.

[Ellis]

Glad I didn't come.

[Adam]

We end it here.

[Marques]

We a bullseye.

[Ellis]

Glad I didn't comp that.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You're on a road trip. What is one piece of candy you're picking out of the gas station?

[Marques]

You're so.

[David]

Like, anti sweets.

[Ellis]

So I'm supposed. Oh, my favorite piece of candy. Anti sweets. Oh, jeez. I'm.

[David]

You don't know Adam.

[Ellis]

Adam is.

[Andrew]

No. Adam loves sweets but hates to love sweets.

[Adam]

I'll reply after this.

[David]

You said candy. Specifically candy.

[Marques]

I have a feeling I'm gonna not even have heard of whatever you're writing. No, it's.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I.

[Andrew]

We did a whole episode where we talked about candy to each other.

[Marques]

Yeah. But it was crazy. Other. The tasting episode.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Yeah. There's crazy candies there.

[Ellis]

I really. I rarely engage in the candy lunch conversations.

[Marques]

Candy, too. That.

[Ellis]

I'm not a big candy man.

[Marques]

It's a very broad category.

[Adam]

It's a lot of words.

[Marques]

Gas station candy. Gas station. Okay.

[Adam]

That's very specific.

[Ellis]

They sell regular candy at the gas station.

[Marques]

That's fair. It's not like it's got to be pretty popular.

[Ellis]

It's not like gas station pills.

[Mariah]

Okay. What do you got?

[Marques]

I'm just gonna say Reese's candies. Yeah, Reese's.

[Adam]

No way.

[Marques]

I should have confidence again.

[Ellis]

No, I mean, what a lot. Such a random one.

[Mariah]

I wouldn't have guessed that.

[Marques]

I was. I was gonna say Starburst until I started talking.

[Ellis]

I don't really like Starburst.

[Adam]

There's no way Ellis is gonna get this. So why? It's cuz.

[Ellis]

I don't.

[Adam]

I don't. I'll answer after.

[Ellis]

That's good. Actually, the only time that I buy Reese's peanut butter cups is when I'm on a road trip.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques]

Do they.

[Adam]

Yeah. If you are on a road trip. If I'm on a road trip and I have to walk into the store and buy candy.

[David]

You would buy.

[Adam]

I would buy from the gas station.

[David]

Gum.

[Ellis]

I don't know.

[Adam]

I just put the white chocolate. Hershey's just.

[Ellis]

Those are good. I've never even tried.

[Adam]

The thing is, I hate candy.

[David]

They're hot.

[Marques]

I like.

[David]

That's why, I guess gum.

[Ellis]

By Hershey's, do you mean the cupcakes and stuff? The bottom bar. Oh, the bar is the white chocolate.

[Mariah]

White chocolate.

[Ellis]

The white chocolate ones are the cookies and cream one.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ellis]

That one's actually good.

[Marques]

Damn. That one tasty.

[Ellis]

And I don't like the regular chocolate bars.

[David]

Those things are just five, six now. Yeah, five, six, dude.

[Mariah]

Ellison, Marquez, how many tabs do you have open in your browser right now?

[Adam]

Have to look though right now.

[Marques]

This one?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[David]

Are we doing delta or do they have to get it exactly?

[Marques]

Yeah, I think.

[Adam]

Think if within five.

[Mariah]

I think within five.

[Adam]

Within five.

[Ellis]

Within five.

[Marques]

How many?

[Ellis]

Five is a lot.

[Mariah]

Within two. Within two. Is that fair?

[David]

I think we should do delta.

[Andrew]

We can do closest.

[Mariah]

I don't know what that means.

[Adam]

Closest Delta.

[Ellis]

Closest Delta.

[Andrew]

Whichever partner gets closest to their partner's store.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Okay. The closest hub for that within five

[Andrew]

could be like for one person more tabs than they have and the other person like one person percent of the tabs that they have open.

[Ellis]

My guess is that Marquez has four tabs open.

[Marques]

I have three. Three tabs.

[Mariah]

Pretty good. It's pretty good.

[David]

How do you guys know each other so well?

[Marques]

This is good.

[Adam]

I'm guessing seven.

[David]

We were. We're.

[Ellis]

We're close. Oh, we're tied now.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Ellis]

We're tied now. Yes.

[Marques]

And we still have two. Five pointers.

[Ellis]

Two questions left.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You do have the opportunity to use your.

[Ellis]

Well, we have to.

[Andrew]

Here's what I'll throw out.

[Adam]

This is bad. They can't get anything right or we lose.

[Andrew]

We did not make a tiebreaker rule. But there's an opportunity to tie here. How you can use your confidence because you're tied right now. That's how you can.

[David]

So we have tied.

[Andrew]

So you're tied. You have two more questions to end it. Marquez, David, have two confidence things.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You could do it here to automatically win or if you're too worried about a tie and you want to use it on the tiebreaker round, that's up to you.

[Marques]

We're going to.

[Ellis]

It is available in the tiebreaker. I think we're going.

[David]

We got to lock in, man.

[Marques]

We've been. We've been ramping. We've been building.

[David]

Sounds a good guess.

[Adam]

Whatever we do isn't going to matter because it really depends on them. Like, it's their game to lose right now.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

All right. Adam and David.

[David]

That's true.

[Ellis]

No, we have to get one, right?

[Adam]

Oh, we have to get one. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Adam and David, if you are going to get a technology related tattoo, what would it be?

[David]

Oh, I know David's. I know David's. That's so annoying.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I don't know what mine is. I haven't thought.

[David]

Can I. Do I get a point if I tell David what his is?

[Marques]

Not Newlyweds.

[David]

Damn, David.

[Ellis]

I've literally told Ellis this before.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

Oh, no. Technology.

[David]

Meanwhile, Mr. Tattoos a lot over here. Could get anything.

[Marques]

Why would I.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Tattoos a lot.

[Marques]

Damn.

[David]

Wait, I have an idea. I know, I know. Adam hasn't written anything yet, but assuming he keeps it in theme. I know.

[Marques]

Well, I'm going thematic.

[Ellis]

Is it what I would get now?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Versus when?

[Ellis]

Well, I'll explain, but I already had.

[Andrew]

The tattoo artist is right outside the door, so we will prove this.

[Ellis]

Oh, shoot.

[Marques]

I feel.

[Ellis]

I mean, I'd get a different tattoo now. So can I change my answer to what I would get now?

[Marques]

I think that's question. Yeah.

[Andrew]

What would you get right now, today?

[Marques]

Tattoo artist walks in. What do you get?

[Ellis]

Can we define. Okay, whatever.

[Adam]

Yeah, Wait, can we define technology? Technology,

[Andrew]

Not a technology podcast. Like, would we maybe talk about it on here? Like, I think we've got a point.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Andrew]

If you. Okay, yeah. Like, you're not getting a Zuzu tattoo. That's technology based. I mean, unless it was like Robo Zuzu, which would be kind of sick now that I think about it, but optimist.

[Ellis]

Easy.

[Marques]

H. Okay. I think. I think. I think he would get a one plus logo on his forehead bar. No, I have a.

[David]

That's insane.

[Adam]

Y' all need a fight now.

[Marques]

Should I guess first?

[David]

Please.

[Ellis]

You're using your double down.

[Marques]

I mean, you're. You're quite tuple. I'm using my confidence guess. Cuz I'm so confident that David would get something photography related.

[Adam]

Related.

[Andrew]

Can we be a little more specific?

[Marques]

Really? I feel like that's pretty specific. Either a camera.

[Andrew]

Okay, here's here's what I'll do. You can either be more specific, or I can have David turn it around, and it's like his is very specific and yours is.

[Marques]

I would say my envelope is something related to. How about if his photography or camera hardware?

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques]

Either film, lens, camera, that sort of.

[Andrew]

But if he has, like, a logo or something.

[Ellis]

I'm not counting.

[Marques]

Sure.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques]

Please don't get a logo.

[Ellis]

My Fuji TX1 camera.

[Marques]

Yes. That's what I was picturing.

[Ellis]

That does.

[Marques]

I wasn't trying to name a camera, but I was pretty confident it was a camera or something. Like camera lady.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

That's five points right there.

[Ellis]

That's five points. It might be game. I mean, you guys can. Oh, you can't.

[Marques]

Our field goal percentage was incredibly high this game.

[Ellis]

We still have one more question after this, though.

[Marques]

Yep.

[David]

Then I. I think going on the same levels of vagueness, Adams would be something Nintendo related.

[Adam]

No.

[David]

Damn.

[Adam]

I would get the waveform logo.

[Ellis]

Yeah, that's fine.

[David]

Dude, you are such a shill.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Adam]

This one. I'm not getting a random company logo. Well, this is the one I work for.

[David]

How many Harry Potter tattoos do you have?

[Adam]

I have a whole sleeve of Harry Potter tattoos.

[Marques]

Yeah, that's not a logo.

[Adam]

I was picturing logos. That's why I'm like, I'm not getting Nintendo or Apple or, like, I'm not getting the reason.

[Ellis]

Ellis knew the tattoo that I used to want to get in 2013. I almost got a system on a chip on my chest.

[Adam]

Oh, I remember that.

[Ellis]

And I chickened out at the last second. But I was gonna. It was very like, I'm 14, and this is deep. I was gonna have the different modules. Like, the RAM was gonna say, like, love and like the.

[Marques]

Oh, wow, Wait, you need to get.

[Ellis]

CPU was gonna say, like.

[Marques]

Like, brain thought.

[Ellis]

And it was supposed to, like, 1

[Andrew]

million likes on this episode. And David gets this tattoo.

[Ellis]

I mean, I was literally, like, I was young as youthful, but it was like, Socs were pretty new, so, you

[Marques]

know, that's good stuff.

[Adam]

Wow. Okay. Well, just for funsies.

[David]

Yeah. Exhibition.

[Ellis]

God. Sorry, guys. You did beat us last time.

[Adam]

Yeah. Now we need a tiebreaker.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

That's what I want to do the most.

[Andrew]

How about this? If David and Marquez agree, this next question is ultra specific, all or nothing. Okay. So if they do you want to do. If you get word for word, it's worth five points, and you can still confidence it and double it.

[Ellis]

But they don't.

[Adam]

We can't confidence it.

[Andrew]

Exactly. That's that's why I'm saying so. Oh, then if Marquez and David were

[Ellis]

to get it wrong and you guys get it right.

[Andrew]

They got it right. Highs.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Andrew]

But if Marquez and David get it right with their confidence boost the extra.

[David]

Okay, sure. I'll agree to these.

[Andrew]

We'll agree to this. Okay. This is a five point question.

[David]

Let's go. Okay, Ellis Roven.

[Adam]

So I need to guess his answer word for word.

[Andrew]

Just.

[David]

You got this.

[Adam]

Okay.

[David]

Look at my eyes. That worked last time.

[Andrew]

We haven't do it.

[David]

That's the problem. We haven't any eye contact in this game.

[Mariah]

I think you all could do it.

[David]

Adam, what's my Social Security number?

[Andrew]

Just.

[Ellis]

Just write numbers.

[Adam]

All right.

[Ellis]

Gamers 6, 0.

[Mariah]

The most important question you've ever been asked is what is your go to sandwich order at Wawa?

[Ellis]

Oh God. At Wawa.

[David]

Dude.

[Ellis]

Oh gosh.

[David]

I know everyone at this.

[Mariah]

Wait, you should know by now.

[Ellis]

You have to get it word for word.

[Adam]

Yeah, that's hard.

[Marques]

I know what it is. Or like a watch favorite.

[Mariah]

When you think of like a default Marquez order, you think of like a default Ellis order. What are they getting?

[David]

Adam's always in the. Adam's always in the gym when I do.

[Ellis]

We have to get this word for word.

[Mariah]

Like four years. You should know by now what it is.

[Marques]

I haven't been to Wawa since last year.

[Adam]

Yeah, word for word.

[Andrew]

But you're in the lead, so this should be beneficial to you.

[Marques]

All right, but like if.

[Andrew]

If you miss something and the board says it then. Then it's wrong. You have to name everything they have on the board.

[Adam]

I'm just gonna go right off the top of the dome, which is.

[Mariah]

Can I. Can I see what you guys have first before. I guess if you can hold up

[Andrew]

your board for me.

[Adam]

The fact that Ellis is still writing has me nervous.

[Ellis]

I will say I. I asked Marques what he gets a lot and he told me and then I started getting it, but I don't remember exactly what it was.

[Adam]

I'm just gonna say the Thanksgiving gobbler from wall.

[David]

Oh, I should have written that.

[Ellis]

That's.

[David]

I didn't think of that. At end the my go to cuz it's only around for one season. But that is.

[Adam]

That is no but.

[Ellis]

But Ellis, to your credit, that's not a go to cuz it's only temporary.

[Adam]

Yeah, but when it's there he gets that every time.

[David]

He would have guessed.

[Mariah]

Ellis, can you tell the people what your sandwich was put?

[David]

The Philly classic, the chicken cutlet Hoagie.

[Adam]

The hell's a hoagie? You mean a hero?

[Ellis]

I don't.

[David]

What the hell is a hero? You know, Is that that thing the military spends all their money making movies about? Jesus Christ.

[Mariah]

It's okay. We'll bounce back.

[Andrew]

We'll bounce back.

[Mariah]

What do you think, David?

[Ellis]

I think it's like the chicken bacon club. It's got three layers of bread. I know that he wrote all those

[David]

words on his board.

[Adam]

King got three layers of bread.

[Marques]

I know that. Honestly, that's more accurate to my actual order than what I wrote. I couldn't remember what it was called. I wrote turkey club because I forgot what it was. But that is what it is.

[Ellis]

The chicken club.

[Marques]

Something something club sandwich.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I almost said turkey club because that's the most common type of club. I'm pretty sure you usually get. Get the chicken club probably, right? Yeah.

[Marques]

And chips.

[David]

You know, what I learned from this is that I think Adam knows me better than I know myself, because every single one of those answers, I was like, no, that is what I would think.

[Andrew]

I would say, oh, count it. Oh, I mean, yeah, I can. Oh, no, I'm not counting it. But they won by 5.

[Adam]

5.

[David]

Anyways, well, we'll see you guys in the next game.

[Ellis]

Tiebreaker game.

[Marques]

Yeah, we cook.

[Adam]

It's just a game of basketball.

[Ellis]

We did cook on that.

[Andrew]

Thank you all again. I will continue to find games online or on television that I can steal and turn into pitting my friends against each other.

[David]

Do we want to just do away from trivia from here?

[Andrew]

Yeah, we can do that from here.

[David]

Mariah, hit it.

[Ellis]

Hey, that's pretty good. It's pretty good.

[Mariah]

Panicked.

[Marques]

Okay.

[David]

Marquez, Andrew, David. The Wireless Power Consortium was started by a company called Fulton Innovation, who is trying to standardize guys. The induction powering technique they developed for what kind of product?

[Ellis]

And it's a specific product.

[Adam]

I'll give you a hint.

[Andrew]

Can you say that one more time? Ellis, can you say it one more time?

[David]

What kind of product? Wait. The Fulton. Fulton Innovation Start started the Wireless Power Consortium. They invited other companies to join to an attempt to standardize the wireless power technology they had developed for what kind of product?

[Ellis]

All right, I'm guessing stovetop.

[David]

That is incorrect.

[Marques]

I'm guessing stovetop.

[David]

That is incorrect.

[Mariah]

They all said stovetop.

[David]

They all said stovetop.

[Andrew]

I think we all heard induction.

[David]

The correct answer I was thinking they pivot is a water purifier. And the reason that it was a water purifier and they went with the wireless power technology is because they needed to hermetically seal it and also get power inside of it.

[Ellis]

I've heard of a Brita before.

[Marques]

That seems like a lot of work. Berkey.

[Andrew]

Yo. Your Brita got cheated.

[David]

You understand now? You understand now why I was like, this can't possibly be true. Like, the Wireless Power Consortium was started because a water purifier, a water filter company was like, we might have actually, actually invented something pretty cool here.

[Andrew]

All right?

[David]

They didn't invent it. They did some development. They bought a bunch of patents from a company that you know little of that.

[Marques]

All right? This is peak waveform. If you didn't know, you learned something.

[Adam]

Now you know. Speaking of which, the Wireless Power Consortium has another standard specifically for the inductive charging of kitchen appliances. What's it called? While we're doing that, quick update on the score. Marquez with 14, Andrew with 17, David with 16. Because I had to change the score again because it was also wrong last week, but now it's right. I went back to, like, three months ago.

[Mariah]

Fun fact, Vin just learned about induction in our kitchen 20 minutes ago because it didn't work for him.

[Adam]

He was trying to cook something on, like, a little stove top thing. All right, what you got?

[Ellis]

I wrote wops. Wops? Wireless appliance Power share.

[Adam]

No, you know, backwards. That's a word, too.

[Ellis]

Spa. What'd you put? What is that?

[Adam]

No, wait, Marquez, what did you write?

[Ellis]

Don't do that.

[Marques]

I wrote Nintendo Switch 2. My pants.

[Andrew]

Andrew Fulton. Charging. No,

[Adam]

it is qi. Charging. Ki. No way. Yeah.

[David]

No way. Are you serious? Kitchen Chi and key.

[Andrew]

Chi and key.

[Ellis]

That actually kitchen induction.

[Marques]

That makes way more sense than I was expecting.

[Ellis]

So what does the Q stand for it then? And chi.

[Adam]

That was originally going to be my question, and I couldn't find the answer. I just kept seeing chi, like the energy source or whatever. Yeah, I couldn't find, like, if it was an acronym or anything.

[David]

Yeah, like the thing from traditional Chinese.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Spiritualism.

[Marques]

I missed a score update while I was guessing. What did you.

[David]

Dude, you're crushing. It's not even close.

[Marques]

I finally got some points.

[David]

That's true.

[Andrew]

The score.

[Adam]

Marquez with 14. Damn, it's crazy. David with 16. So you're still behind David. And then Andrew with 17.

[Ellis]

Wait, really?

[Adam]

Carrying the one. Oh, wow.

[Marques]

I'm hot on the table.

[Ellis]

Carrying the one.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Carrying the one.

[Marques]

Well, this was an eventful episode of the Waveform podcast, like usual, but that's just what happens in February. We find games to play and we learn things on trivia. So thanks for sticking with us. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, thanks for getting us over a million. Go watch. Yiddle. See you later.

[Ellis]

Bye.

[Adam]

Bye.

[Andrew]

500,000. We could get to a million soon.

[David]

Oh, yeah. No, we're not over a million.

[Andrew]

We are not over a million subscribers.

[Ellis]

Half a million.

[Marques]

I was in studio mode. Thanks for getting us half a million. Let's get all the way to a million.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Also go watch it.

[Adam]

That's called manifesting.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Waveform is produced by Adam Alina, Ellis Roven and Mariah Zinc. Again, two weeks in a row. We're also partner with Fox Media podcast network and our interaction music was created by Vanill.

[David]

Let's go.

[Ellis]

Have you ever had a dream that you could. That, that, that you could, you could. That you could. That did you could do anything.