The Android Show Recap!

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: The Android Show Recap!

Date: May 15, 2026
Host: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD)
Co-hosts: Adam Molina, Mariah, Ellis

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, in-depth breakdown of the announcements from Google’s recent Android Show—Google’s pre-I/O event focused on new Android features, Android Auto redesigns, the rebirth of Fitbit (now as the Fitbit Air), and Google’s growing focus on AI integrations via Gemini. The Waveform crew discusses which features stand out, how Google’s AI strategy reflects its future, what’s up with “Google Book,” and wraps up with Reddit-inspired trivia and their signature engaging banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Biggest Update to Android” Ever?

[06:07]

• Google claimed this would be the biggest Android release, leaning into AI with Gemini and new integrations.
• Marques: “A lot of what’s new with Android is Gemini related. And that’s why they’re calling it the biggest update yet, because AI, Big AI. Very important to Google.” [07:48]
• Android 17: Updates roll out first to Pixel and Galaxy S phones, leaving OnePlus/other users waiting. Adam: “At some point, yeah.” [07:21]

2. Notable Android 17 Features

• Aesthetics & Gemini Assistant: [07:23]
  • Gemini gets a slicker interface, new animations, and can now be triggered by a long-press.
  • No full UI overhaul—mainly affects Gemini’s visual style.
  • Marques: “It’s a little new animation. It’s a little bit glassy, but not really...” [07:37]
• Screen Reactions: [08:13]
  • Copycat mode for TikTok/Reels content, “baked” into Android's camera for easier social content creation.
  • Adam: “This is gonna just make that format so much easier for so many people.”
• Instagram Camera Upgrades: [08:52]
  • Closer integration, improved HDR and processing for Instagram, similar to old Pixel/Snapchat collabs.
• Pause Point/Digital Wellbeing Revamp: [09:28]
  • New feature prompts a brief “pause” when opening distracting apps (Instagram, TikTok, Twitter), shaming you gently and showing you pet/family pictures or prompting a cooldown timer (20 seconds).
  • “Have you thought about your goals?” [10:36]
  • Mariah: “I think this will stop me. I’m not gonna lie.” [11:09]
  • Ellis: “As a Google lawyer, that whole section would have made me sweat bolts...” referring to Google's liability for addicting products. [11:22]
• AirDrop Comes to (Some) Android Phones: [16:05]
  • Native Android-to-Android file sharing is now, essentially, “AirDrop”-style—though limited to newer models for now.

3. Android Auto Overhaul

[17:50]

• Major visual & navigation upgrade: New 3D maps, better lane guidance, zoom, topography.
• Marques: “If you took Apple Maps and like Tesla Maps and make them. Had a baby.” [18:13]
• Video Playback in Car: Supports full-screen videos (presumably while parked/charging), auto switching to audio when driving.
• Best speakers? Google says most cars have people's best sound system. Adam: “Dude, I’ve never thought about this.” [21:00]
  • Ellis: “That might be true for a lot of people, unfortunately.” [21:06]
• Questions remain on partner support, details, and how parked/driving status is detected.

4. Gemini Intelligence – Agentic AI in Android

[22:33]

• Google positions its on-device “intelligent system” as more than an OS, with Gemini able to execute tasks via other apps and handle complex actions.
• Autofill upgrades: Gemini can autofill forms with personal info, even from pictures (passport, ID), pulling from Photos, Gmail, Wallet, etc.
• Mariah: “I feel like the thought of this would freak my parents out.” [30:43]
• Reservations about automation:
  • Marques: “Using Gemini to book concert tickets or something is just insane behavior.” [23:26]
  • Marques: “There’s way more nuance to it … I actually want to engage with this, pick the seats I want.” [24:10]
• Use-cases that do make sense: repeat food orders via voice while driving, or the autofill for travel documents.
• Ongoing concern about over-simplified demos for complex actions, AI hallucinations, and user control.

5. Google Book – New Product, or Just More Chrome OS?

[32:22]

• Google teases “Google Book”: a premium hardware laptop aimed at deep Gemini integration.
• Confusion over difference from Chromebook—Google Book seems like a more AI-centric, premium Chromebook, with features like a “glow bar” and deeper Android app integration.
• Adam: “But who is this for? Who’s buying this?” [34:53]
• Marques: “Why is this not a software update to an existing Chromebook?” [36:15]
• No clear price or full hardware specs yet; speculation it’ll be north of $800.

6. Fitbit Air – Google’s Answer to Whoop

[86:07]

• Fitbit is (re)launched as Fitbit Air: a screenless, cross-platform fitness tracker targeting Whoop’s market (and price).
• Details:
  • $99 with optional $9.99/mo Google Health Premium (Whoop is $250–350/year).
  • Core functions (basic tracking) available without subscription.
  • Works on both iOS & Android—surprisingly open for Google.
  • 7-day battery life, fast charging, water resistance.
• Adam: “I’m just very confused that they’re killing the Fitbit brand, which makes no sense to me.” [89:52]
  • Mariah: “I don’t think, you know, a boomer’s gonna be like, what? Google’s tracking my stuff? Even though Google’s owned them for years…” [90:19]
• Marques plans detailed side-by-side test with Whoop for an upcoming video, especially for activity auto-detection and accuracy.

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Notable Quotes & Best Moments

• On Google’s AI Event Demos:
  Marques [24:10]:
  “I want to shop around a little bit. I actually want to engage with this, pick the seats I want. Pick the best deal. There’s way more nuance to it now ... That’s also not even how I want it to work.”

• Android’s New “Pause Point” Feature:
  Ellis [11:22]:
  “If I was a Google lawyer, that whole section would have made me sweat bolts … That’s kind of you admitting it’s a little addictive.”

• On Airdrop Parity:
  Marques [16:43]:
  “It is neat that that is one of the things breaking down the ecosystem wall.”

• On Gemini’s Autofill:
  Mariah [30:43]:
  “The thought of this would freak my parents out. ... I don’t think there’s some people who would want their personal information ... assumed there’s ways to opt out, or is there?”

• On Google Book Confusion:
  Adam [34:53]:
  “But who is this for? Who’s buying this? That’s what I want to know.”

• Fitbit Brand Eulogy:
  Adam [89:52]:
  “I’m just very confused that they’re killing the Fitbit brand, which makes no sense to me.”

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Highlight: Reddit Family Feud Game

Starts ~[44:22] and returns throughout

• Ellis and Rufus bring a custom Reddit-inspired Family Feud where the panel guesses top Reddit answers for questions like “Why do people hate Apple?”, “Why does everyone hate Windows 11?”, “Worst Android phone ever owned?”, and more.
• Chaotic but hilarious scoring (“the points are based on how common that answer was” [46:50]), with debates on what Redditors say vs. the truth.
• Marques dominates the game, citing his “Redditor” credentials and often guessing the top answer verbatim.
• Sample question about Apple: “Because it’s expensive” is the #1 answer. [47:42]
• Google Bard trivia, Mandela effect tangents, and a running in-joke about “pancake mix” for loyal listeners.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 06:07 | The "Biggest Android Update" and Gemini AI Explosion | | 09:28 | Android 17 “Pause Point” and Digital Wellbeing Debate | | 16:05 | AirDrop for Android—supported devices discussion | | 17:50 | Android Auto redesigns and new features | | 22:33 | Gemini as “Intelligent System”: Capabilities & Limits | | 32:22 | “Google Book”—What Is It? Real Chromebook Rebrand? | | 86:07 | Fitbit Air: Features, Strategy, Whoop Comparison | | 44:22 | Family Feud Game (Reddit-inspired) | | 96:40 | Google Product Name “Book” Quiz | | 98:04 | Gemini’s Old Name (Google Bard) |

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Tone & Energy

The tone ranges from playful and irreverent (NBA playoff metaphors, Family Feud chaos, “pancake mix”) to incisive and skeptical (critiques of Google’s vaporware demos, branding confusion, and privacy implications). The hosts maintain a mix of tech-nerd expertise and friendly jesting. Tangents into NBA, Mandela Effect, and exaggerated Reddit impressions amplify the fun, but always circle back to thoughtful tech analysis.

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Episode Takeaways

• Google’s Android push is, unsurprisingly, all-in on AI, sometimes in ways that thrill and sometimes that unsettle.
• Actual “biggest update ever”? Only if you love Gemini and Google’s vision of a proactive, agentic OS.
• Android Auto’s catch-up features and Gemini’s smarter autofill are real quality-of-life gains.
• Google still struggles with clear branding and avoiding redundant product categories (“Google Book” vs Chromebook).
• Fitbit Air undercuts Whoop and offers wider compatibility, but naming/brand transition is risky.
• Tech podcasts can be as much about community and games as news—this one delivers strong on both fronts.

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For longtime fans or newcomers, this episode is a perfect blend of maximalist Google news, sharp analysis, and the Waveform team’s unique humor. If you made it to the end, don’t forget to comment: “pancake mix.”

Transcript

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[A]

I tweeted just a screenshot of the Google Slide that just said, book two floor seats to this concert. And then in the video, the person just clicks it and then that's the end of the interaction and they're like, yep, yep, got the tickets. What? No, that's not how this works. Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[C]

I'm Adam.

[D]

I'm Mariah.

[A]

Mariah got a new setup today. This is. You know how when there's like a new. Sorry, it's an NBA podcast already. When you have like a new lineup that's not played 10 seconds in the playoffs, like for the first time, The Sixers probably did this. You have a lineup of like a group of people who have never played at the same time together. This is like the current arrangement.

[D]

Yeah. I'm supposed to be on the bench, but for some reason they put me over here.

[A]

But you've been. I think it's been. You've been there. Mariah was here. No, David was here. You were there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like a shuffle.

[C]

Yeah. Listen, we're down by 30. It's the fourth chord. We gotta try anything. We're trying.

[A]

It's a Tuesday. It's great. Today we watched the Android show, so we've got all sorts of thoughts on all of what they've announced. We Also can talk a little bit about the. The death rebirth of Fitbit because that happened. And also we have a game that. I have no idea what we're actually doing.

[C]

Me neither.

[A]

But there are bowsers here.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it surely will be fun.

[C]

I asked Ellis yesterday, like, hey, how's the game coming along? Do you need me to, like, prep anything? And he's like, don't worry about it.

[A]

That makes me a little bit nervous. Excited, but nervous. It's good.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

But first, did they even test this? This is a. I hear Ellis has one.

[C]

Yeah. An Ellis special today. What?

[E]

Well, now I'm like scared to do. Did they even test this? Because the last time I did it, I was the one that did not test it and was proven wrong. But I have recently switched back from Apple Watch to Garmin as my fitness tracker of choice.

[C]

Oh, so you're on Android now.

[D]

Hey, hey.

[A]

Oh, boy.

[E]

I don't know. After the Android show today. So I've been trying to link it with my Strava, which has just proved to be like a death defying nightmare.

[C]

It's been a mess for so long

[E]

and it just results in this thing where this endless loop where I go into the Garmin app and try. Or I go into Strava, the Strava app. I have to be really specific here. Go into the Strava app, hit connect device, choose Garmin. It opens the Garmin app. The Garmin app is then like, okay, let's now connect your Strava and Garmin accounts. I'm like, bet. Then it goes to strava.com where it makes me sign in for some reason. So I sign into my strava account on strava.com and then it goes, great, we're in. Now we need to go back to the Garmin app. And then I go back to the Garmin app and the Garmin app goes. It failed. And I.

[D]

So did you get in?

[E]

No, I've done this about 50 times, like, hoping that it goes differently.

[C]

You're still not in? No. Oh, my God. So they were supposed to have fixed this, like a few years ago. They did, like a whole announcement post about it. Yeah, like literally like two or three years ago, they were like, we're now connected with Strava. You no longer have to worry about this. But I guess it's still an issue.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Damn, that blows for you.

[A]

Nobody tested it.

[E]

There is one other thing that blows for me.

[A]

No, no, no. He's wearing his shirt already.

[E]

Guys, after several weeks funeral of hopeful Bliss. I would say the Philadelphia 76ers have been knocked out of the NBA playoffs after an amazing first round. They were so swept in four games by the New York Knickerbockers, you could be sad or you could choose to revel in what an amazing year we had. We watched Vijay drop 30 over and over again as a rookie. We watched Andre Drummond to learn how to shoot three pointers. We watched Kyle Lowry say goodbye to the NBA. I think, damn, maybe we watched Nick Nurse develop complex systems. And most of all, we watched the greatest hero in American history, history, Joel Embiid, lucid, overcome countless obstacles and ascend to basketball greatness. Philadelphia 76ers, I love you.

[C]

How did you time that so perfectly?

[A]

Did you practice this? No.

[E]

Also for all of our Scandinavian Nordic audience members who are confused why I used a Christmas hymn for that. I just like the way it sounded and they don't know anything about that stuff, so.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I don't know where to go from here.

[A]

I'm trying to make a broom pun to move to the next thing. I don't know if I can think of one.

[C]

You know who else swept the stage?

[A]

Ah, Google.

[C]

Samir Sameer from Google.

[A]

Okay, so the Android show, the pre IO Android show is this week and we talked a little bit about it before, how they were sort of hyping up. Samir is one of the ones on Twitter who was like, this is going to be one of the, I think they said, the biggest update to Android yet.

[C]

Asterisk.

[A]

It's a lot. It's a lot of hype, a lot of promises. But we finally did get that promise and they gave us this wonderful 45 minute video of very human presentation and a ton of new features through Android, Android Auto, through Gemini Intelligence and through some. So we'll talk about all of that.

[C]

Yeah, we gotta censor you saying though. Yeah, leak that out.

[A]

Why?

[C]

Because that's what they did during the event. They bleeped out Google Books right at the beginning. He tried to leak Google Books and he said it and then they bleeped it and he was like, we can fix it in post. And it was like one of those, like, ha ha, I'm a person. Too many mistakes.

[A]

So human Google. Yeah, that was great. Anyway, so let's talk about Android first, maybe.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Because that was. So we were looking forward to Android updates. Android 17 is what the new version is going to be called. They did the thing, first of all, that they do every time where they're like, all this stuff is Coming first to Pixels and Samsung Galaxy S. Yes. So some of us in here are very happy about that. They tend to do that. They tend to put Samsung right at the forefront of a lot of the software. Stu. Cool.

[C]

How do you feel about that as a OnePlus boy now?

[A]

I'm a OnePlus 15 user. I do have a mention of that later in this, but yeah, it's fine. We'll get that stuff eventually. At some point.

[C]

At some point, yeah.

[A]

So here's a couple of things that we got. We got some slightly updated aesthetics. We got a lot of the Gemini stuff is what's updated aesthetically. So a little new animation. It's a little bit glassy, but not really when you're talking to it. Then when it's thinking, then when it's executing.

[C]

Yeah, that had me nervous for a second. I thought they were doing a whole redesign. It seems to be just for Gemini, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Long press the button and Gemini pops up. Or you're doing something with Gemini. That's what the redesign is. Yeah.

[A]

And spoiler, a lot of what's new with Android is Gemini related. And that's why they're calling it the biggest update yet, because AI, Big AI. Very important to Google. Some of the stuff that was interesting screen reactions I thought was a cool feature. So you know how you see one of those Instagram or TikTok reel videos where it's just a person in front of whatever they're talking about. That's like a mode built into the camera now you can just do that.

[D]

Great.

[A]

Unfortunately, built into Android.

[C]

Yeah, I think this is gonna slap.

[A]

It's gonna just make that format so much easier for so many people.

[D]

Yeah, it's great.

[C]

Listen, do you guys follow Cardi B on Instagram?

[A]

Cardi B?

[D]

I don't think so.

[C]

Okay. Well, she has these, like weekly rants where she's just talking to the camera on Instagram and just going off about whatever's going on in her life. Just loves this. It's very entertaining. She is gonna use the hell out of this. Assuming she ever leaves iPhone.

[A]

Is she gonna have an Android phone?

[C]

Yeah, people that do that kind of like content. This is going to be insane.

[D]

Paris Hilton's going to be making videos with this for Surely.

[C]

Yeah, surely Paris Hilton was promoting. Yeah.

[A]

There's also some more plugs with things like Instagram. So some of this has existed already in the past, but some more native integration with using the camera built into Instagram. You can have HDR content supported. You can have all of the Processing supported, which is nice.

[C]

I remember they did this a few years ago with Snapchat. I think it was where they implemented the Google camera directly into Snapchat that it wouldn't be such like quality.

[D]

Yes, I do remember this happening.

[A]

Yeah, they had a name and everything and they, and they were very proud of it and it was just the pixel and now they're doing more of it.

[C]

So also Samsung.

[A]

And Samsung as well.

[D]

So great, they're there.

[A]

That's coming to the forefront. There is a feature called Pause Point. Yeah, it's an interesting implementation. What you've probably already seen on the iPhone is screen time where you can specifically decide to limit the number of minutes, let's say in a day that you can spend on a certain app.

[C]

I mean, Google has this too though.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

What is it called?

[D]

It's Digital wellbeing.

[C]

Thank you. Yes, Digital wellbeing.

[A]

When you get to the end of that timer, it kicks you out the app. You can't open it anymore or unless you decide to bypass it, whatever. This is a new version of that that is a little bit more of a 5050 split. You open the app that you want to have restrictions on and then it

[C]

shames you into closing the app.

[A]

Once you're in it, it pops up this pause screen and it, it tells you like, just remember why you're here. Remember what you meant to do when you opened your phone. And I think some of the examples were like you can scroll through pictures of your pet or something while you remember it.

[D]

There was like a cooldown timer first.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

For 20 seconds or something.

[D]

I don't know if after that then it shows you pictures of your loved ones.

[A]

Yeah. So like think of who you're disappointing here as you do scroll.

[E]

The one that was like, have you thought about your goals?

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Like I know you're about to open Subway servers, but have you thought about grinding right now instead?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Don't you want to be a productive person?

[A]

It is a different take on limiting your screen time. I don't know. I'm not going to use that either. But I like it.

[C]

I know that you're very anti these things.

[A]

I guess if I was someone who was already trying to rely on screen time, I would find this maybe refreshing or at least interesting and different. I'd try it.

[D]

I'll report back in a little bit.

[A]

You're going to try it?

[D]

The digital well being restrictions literally do nothing for me.

[C]

Same.

[D]

I think they mentioned something about it also restarting your phone to like disable it or Something So, like, another thing to have to bypass it. It makes it harder. Yeah, I don't think it's like, hard. This will stop me. I'm not going to lie.

[E]

I thought if I was a Google lawyer, that whole section would have made me sweat bolts.

[A]

Because, like.

[E]

Because like, six weeks ago, Google lost a ginormous court case that they can be found liable for making addicting products. They got sued because of YouTube's algorithm being too addicting.

[C]

Alice, you think that different parts of Google talk to each other.

[E]

As soon as, like, a Google employee was like, do you ever feel like you're using your phone without thinking about it? Or like you unconsciously pull out your phone? I was like, that's kind of you admitting it's a little addictive.

[D]

Yeah, but it's fine because now we can watch YouTube in the car while we listen.

[C]

The product people make things. The lawyers lawyer it out. That's their problem. Product people are like, I'm just gonna make this.

[A]

I feel like there's a couple apps that are really associated with opening it and then mindlessly scrolling and then forgetting how much time you spent. And Those are Instagram, TikTok and Twitter.

[E]

Yeah, you're so right.

[A]

And now you can do less of that or you could just uninstall it

[D]

or to bypass all of it.

[E]

The whole thing of this product is like, you have this impulse to open your phone and they want to make you wait like 10, 15 seconds to just like, see if that's actually what you want to do. Right. Do you know the other thing in American society that employs that tactic? Firearm sales. In, like, a lot of states, if you want to buy a gun, they make you wait like three to ten days to be like, are you sure you actually need a gun for a cool down period? I was like, that is a weird thing to use the gun Strat for.

[A]

I guess it's an impulse buy for maybe the wrong reasons.

[E]

Exactly.

[D]

Anyway, I think we should have that for microtransactions. We should have a little cool down timer.

[C]

Yeah. I wonder, can you put this per. You have to be able to put this per app, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I can like set this on, I don't know, like my text messages or something.

[D]

Why would you want to put on your.

[C]

Not that I would want to, but you could in theory, to make sure

[A]

you don't text instantly.

[D]

Mom texts you. You're like, I can't, I can't right now. And then a picture her, like, comes on the screen.

[C]

No, I actually like this feature. Because I like you, Mariah. I've tried these digital wellbeing, like, timer lock things, and it just doesn't work. Like, I can very easily just unlock it, put my fingerprint, whatever, giving me that little slight pause to be like, are you sure? I think that's gonna work because I'm gonna be like, no, you know what? You're right. I don't wanna do this. It's fine. I have that tick and this will stop me from doing that ticket.

[D]

I feel like everyone has the moment where they're on their phone and they're like. They snap out of it. They're like, yeah, I. Why am I here? What day is it where. What are they doing?

[A]

I think that's. That's valid because people, they get to that point and it's been like 10 minutes, and they don't realize what they were just doing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I also think there's a lot of people who have the screen time thing set, but the muscle memory is just to open it and immediately bypass it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so you're in anyway now. So this will interrupt you before you get to that point of 10 minutes later being like, why is it dark outside? So it's different. Yeah, it's different.

[C]

What app are you putting this on?

[A]

Me personally?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I have just this whole thing called discipline.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Where I just don't.

[C]

You have an internal timer that once it hits five minutes, you close the app.

[A]

Well, if I have something to do, I do that. I just. Maybe it's just me, but if I've pulled out my phone to do a task, I'm pretty focused on getting to do that task. And then maybe I'll doom scroll. But.

[C]

But how long are you doomscrolling for? Like, you don't fall down a rabbit hole and just wake up 20 minutes later. Of course I've done with you. You're just chilling on the couch.

[A]

It's not gotten to the point where it's like, boy, do I need a feature to show me pictures of my pets or something.

[C]

You mean our pets?

[A]

Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe I'll get there.

[E]

I'm like, halfway between you guys. Like, I never doom scroll for more than, like, 45 seconds, but when I'm having a bad no discipline day, it is sort of like I do 45 second two scrolls once every, like, six minutes.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Like, so it's okay.

[D]

We're built different and, you know, that's fine.

[C]

See, with me, I'm like one or the other. I can either scroll for, like, 45 seconds and be like, yeah, I'm done. Or some days I will get on the couch and I'm like, I'm not doing nothing tonight but scrolling, like, that's it. My next two hours are gonna be down this TikTok rabbit hole.

[A]

I wonder how long it takes to interrupt you if it sees you. Scroll for, like, whatever. Let's say you're in that app for, like, 30 seconds.

[C]

You could probably pop it up.

[A]

Yeah. It didn't show the ui, but maybe it'll let you set the time.

[D]

This reminds me, isn't there a thing on the iPhone. Sorry, this is a tangent. That tells you you're holding the phone too close to your eyes.

[A]

That was another one.

[D]

I've never had that turned on.

[A]

No.

[D]

I think Marlena tried that once and I. I don't know how I feel.

[A]

It's supposed to close back up. It's supposed to protect you and probably a lot of younger people who are just like this.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Who are holding it right up to their face. And maybe if you do that too much, that's bad for your eyes. So just sort of. I could use that for sure to not do that so much.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think the one other big feature here in Android is Airdrop support coming to way more devices. So Airdrop and Android are now compatible, essentially. At least. Well, in both directions, I think. And it is out the gates now for S26 series, Pixel 10s, Pixel 9s, Pixel 8a, Oppo Find X9 series, and find N6 vivo X300 Ultra. And coming soon to a bunch of others, including my OnePlus 15.

[C]

How long do you think that is?

[A]

I have no idea. I'm not holding. I'm not crossing my fingers. I literally use Blip for that now. I'm not reliant on it. But it is neat that that is one of the things breaking down the ecosystem wall.

[D]

It's weird. I don't see the Pixel 6 on this list.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When are we going to get to older phones? Oh, yeah.

[C]

All the way back to 8A. That's the, like, oldest one.

[A]

It's not bad.

[C]

I wonder why it can't be, like, a hardware limitation.

[A]

I don't know. You know, it's funny when we did that, like, shooting every single iPhone photo from Every generation from 17 to 1.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Getting the photos off of the iPhone was really easy. From the iPhone 17 down all the way to a certain phone where Airdrop was no longer a feature. Which phone? This is a random trivia question. Which Phone do you think was the first one that I couldn't just airdrop it to myself?

[C]

IPhone 7, I want to say.

[D]

I'm just gonna say 8.

[A]

8. I don't actually remember exactly which one, but it was like the 4s. It was like really far.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I got really far. And Andrew had to go from like, plugging into the computer.

[C]

That's crazy.

[D]

Have you ever had to root around in, like, the iPhone folders on like, a PC before?

[A]

That's what we had to do for the first time. It was really miserable. Yeah.

[C]

Rough.

[A]

So, okay, how many people here use Android Auto? That was the other big update I do every day. Pretty big deal. Android Auto got a really big update. Probably bigger than the rest of the updates to Android itself. Yeah, the aesthetics, the visual updates. So it's got this lane guidance now. It has this 3D view with way more detailed topography and mapping stuff. Overpasses, bridges, all that kind of stuff.

[C]

If you took Apple Maps and like Tesla Maps and make them. Had a baby.

[A]

Yeah. Apple Maps had a lot of this unique, not cartoony, but sort of like 3D look to it. And now this has a lot of that too. It's funny, it feels like it was inspired by some of those social media posts that are putting Apple Maps and Google Maps side by side. Now it's got all of that. And it also has way more features, like the ability to watch full screen 60fps videos in whatever screen is in your car that has Android Auto on it. I hate this, but I think that's only when you're parked and probably specifically for electric cars, like when you're charging.

[C]

I really hope so, because otherwise it makes no sense.

[D]

I'm gonna test this immediately.

[C]

It's a good idea.

[D]

I'm gonna find out, do you have an electric car?

[A]

No.

[D]

No, but, like, I have Android Auto in my car.

[C]

So you're just going to like, park it and sit there and watch a YouTube video?

[D]

I want to see if it even knows if I'm in park. It probably does. It has.

[A]

Well, it has gps, so it'll know if you're moving or not. Yeah, but you can fool that.

[D]

It's smart enough to. At least it turns down my media when I'm in reverse, so it probably knows if I'm in park or not.

[A]

So they did have a UI thing where when you switch into drive, it moves that video off screen and continues playing the audio in the background.

[C]

That was cool.

[A]

That was cool. That's the thing I have the most questions about, because one if it's Android Auto, not like built into the car, how does it know you switched into drive?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Like your phone doesn't know that your car switched in drive.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

You didn't start driving it. 2. I thought background audio play was a YouTube premium feature. If it's on a non premium account, does it just pause?

[D]

That's a good question.

[A]

I'm not sure what happens.

[C]

I think the YouTube premium play was only when you like lock the screen and the screen turns off.

[A]

Yeah. So if I'm watching a video on my screen, turn the screen off, the

[C]

video pauses, but it's playing on the car screen which never turns off.

[A]

But it does hide the video.

[C]

Yeah, it hides it over in like UI thing.

[A]

But you know in the, in the phone world that's kind of the equivalent of like turning the screen off. That's weird. I'm not really sure how that works yet. We gotta test that.

[C]

Didn't they say it was with like certain partners? Maybe that's how it knows that the car is in park and stuff.

[D]

Yeah, it was. I think there was like 16 different brands.

[C]

Yeah, something like that we'll have to

[A]

see but I am curious to see how effective that is. But yeah, immersive navigation with redesigned visuals and yeah, zoom in the car. You can do zoom on the screen.

[C]

That part was crazy.

[D]

Are you going to be zooming in the car?

[A]

I've never wanted to do that. You can do that in Tesla's already. I've also never wanted to do that in my Tesla. Long time. Never wanted to do it.

[D]

I assume that's also audio only. No video while driving.

[C]

Is that.

[A]

Not while driving. I don't think. I think that should also be.

[D]

They didn't say.

[A]

No, they didn't clarify. But it should also be wall parked.

[C]

It should be, but it probably is.

[A]

But yeah, taking a meeting in the car on that car screen. They made an interesting point. They said that the speakers in your car for most people are the best speakers you own. Dude, I've never thought about this.

[C]

I knew it.

[A]

I want to hear your take on this. But my first reaction to that was like that might be true for a lot of people.

[E]

Yeah, it is. It's definitely true for a lot of people, unfortunately.

[A]

Sad. So now that line with Paris Hilton of like my car is my personal movie theater. At first that was cringy, but then I'm like, I mean the screen's not good but it is the, it is the best speakers you have.

[D]

So I would, I would say that's accurate. I would say so.

[C]

But why would you watch a video on like a little 4 inch screen?

[A]

So the video part gets weird because the Bluetooth lag is sometimes pretty dramatic. Like, I don't want to watch a movie with a second and a half of lag to the speakers. So then I guess I do want to watch it on the screen in the car. But that's never a good screen ever.

[C]

Ever.

[A]

So I don't know how I feel about watching a movie in the car. But if you're charging and you're sitting there with an EV for 45 minutes, maybe waiting for a charger, and then it's a slow charge, whatever. It's a way to burn the time.

[D]

Yeah. Ellis is gonna watch Dune on the big screen in the car.

[A]

That sounds pretty fun.

[E]

Oh, just like, you know when you're learning how to do audio stuff, especially music stuff, like a big part is learning how to make your mixes translate to a car.

[C]

The car, baby.

[E]

You want to like check stuff in a car. Because car speakers are like, universally the weirdest. Like this, like the way something sounds in a studio, it'll sound kind of similar in a lot of speakers and then in a car, it'll sound completely different somehow. And so, yeah, definitely hearing. But I guess compared to almost any sound bar, probably a car is like, better. Yeah, Most people only have sound bars in their home.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Damn, that's sad. Way to bum me out.

[A]

So, big Android update, Android auto update coming. The last piece of the puzzle, though, is Gemini Intelligence, which of course they're probably going to talk way more about at Google I O. But we did get some new intelligence features. They kept calling it. What did they say? An intelligence.

[C]

It's not an operating system, it's an intelligent system.

[A]

Intelligent system. It's intelligent. Okay, so what's new? So what's the intelligent system? Okay, there are more agentic features from Gemini. It can take action for you through your apps and use your apps for you. And also some smaller things like auto fill, like better speech to text, where it removes a lot of the filler words and you can speak in two different languages and it'll work at the same time.

[C]

Those were probably the best use cases of these new features.

[A]

I think the smallest ones were the best ones.

[C]

Like, they should have leaned hard into those because that's like everyday life thing versus their weird examples that I'm sure you'll bring up. But like, using Gemini to book concert tickets or something is just insane behavior.

[A]

That was my. Okay, that was my take. So I tweeted this. I tweeted just a screenshot of the Google Slide that just said, book two floor seats to this concert. And then in the video, the person just clicks it and then that's the end of the interaction. And they're like, yep, yep, got the tickets. What? No, that's not how this works. That's also not even how I want it to work. I want to shop around a little bit. I actually want to engage with this, pick the seats I want. Pick the best deal. There's way more nuance to it now. I tweeted this and Dieter replied. He said, well, there's only so much we could fit in a sizzle reel. Of course, Gemini Intelligence leaves the user in control for the final checkout process. He linked the article that describes it. But I also don't see anything about the final checkout process in here. So I'm curious to see what the rest of the checkout process looks like.

[D]

Because if they're showing this while you're driving your car, they're showing you can do all of this while you're doing other things. How thorough could it really be?

[A]

That's the other thing, is how much do you trust it? Because, look, I've grown up now in the age of AI, making lots of mistakes. Old. And it's getting better. Yes. But I am very familiar with AI hallucinating things and making lots of mistakes. So when people say booking airplane tickets is a big screen activity, I think what they really mean is I want to make sure I'm doing this right and actually getting what I want here and doing a single button press in Gemini and then maybe two or more steps in a checkout process still doesn't feel like quite enough.

[D]

It feels like when people have like a Google Home or a different home device and they're like, I don't know, buy me this thing. And there's no follow up. It just feels very. Just like I want it now.

[A]

Yeah, for some people, that's going to be fine because they don't care which version they just bought or how much it cost or whatever, or how fast the delivery is going to be or any of the other steps. But. But yeah, I don't feel like I would do that.

[C]

This is just gonna be weird too, because there's so many concerts where you end up, like, waiting in a queue, you know, like you have three hours of waiting.

[D]

There's not even gonna be any tickets left anyway.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

It's like scalp tickets.

[A]

Gemini's gonna be on Ticketmaster, like refreshing like the rest of us.

[D]

We'll see.

[C]

They need to come up with better examples because.

[A]

So they had a couple others. Yeah, One of them was look at the syllabus and buy all the textbooks required for the semester. No, I'm like, ah, man, I don't know, I just. It's not fun to shop for the best deal for textbooks. But I don't want to just buy the default.

[D]

You know who can just pay anything? A student.

[C]

Yeah, Yeah. I really.

[A]

I think I'm gonna look at the listing and then go look on ebay or look on Facebook Marketplace for last year's semester. Like, students who are selling it. Like, I don't know.

[C]

No, just wait till you get to class, ask who has the ebook and then get the drive.

[A]

Link the other one.

[D]

I am very interested in the demo they had for the food delivery where they were like, you know what I order from the restaurant? Send me that, but double it.

[A]

You know what? That one, that one might work for me. That one was close for me, that one was the closest. Because I do have. I have a restaurant near me and I have two things, one or two things that I always swap between and I order from there. And I have this whole ritual where If I'm like 15 minutes from home, do I feel like cooking today? Not really. I will. Not while I'm driving, but at a red light, I'll open the Uber Eats app and go put in the order and go for pickup. And then when I'm at a certain light, the same exact light every single time, which is exactly eight minutes away, I hit order at checkout. And then when the light turns green, I know that when I arrive, they're finishing my order. That's crazy.

[C]

You have it that well timed?

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

So this is a routine enough thing that in theory I could just be driving in the car and just say, hey, giving order the thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it could do it.

[D]

Which I think could be helpful. There's been times where I've been on like a road trip and I'm like, I am driving still and I can't stop because this is like a nine hour drive. And it would be nice if my food was waiting for me at a future destination, but that's pretty infrequent. And also, I guess it's picking this information, I assume from your email or from texts or like receipts.

[C]

I would imagine GPS orders as well. Right.

[D]

What's up?

[C]

I would imagine past orders as well.

[E]

Yeah, but from where?

[D]

That's what I'm saying. Is it pulling the Information from your. It has to be pulling it from somewhere because how else would it know? Like it doesn't have access into DoorDash or does it?

[A]

I think it's Gmail. It has access into Wallet, Gmail Photos and some other Google services.

[E]

But they did say they were partnering with Select Food.

[C]

It was like DoorDash and someone else.

[D]

So some kind of backdoor into DoorDash.

[E]

I'm not sure. Maybe before they did all the feature Y stuff they did the sort of that sort of like sizzle reel, you know that intro cinematic. And a lot of the features they were sort of talking about in that seemed to be almost like open claw Y like when the command was like keep an eye on this merch thing. That's the kind of thing that in order to do accurately I would assume it would need to get prompted twice a day, three times a day in the background. Which is like sort of what an open claw product is for. But they never actually said like it can do heartbeat style agentic. Agentic prompts. And so I'm curious if that's sort of like something they're planning on adding.

[A]

I feel like it should be able to. I've had GPT do that sort of thing before.

[E]

You can say like just recurringly do this and let me know.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And it would like twice a day give me a like a notification of the thing that it checked again.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, interesting.

[A]

So it's possible. But yeah. Another example here is buying. What was it buying? All the things like tours with. No. Oh, it was just like, look at my Expedia, like booking and like book a tour for five people or something. Like just pick the best one Google.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You might get like the one that has open seats which isn't very good because the good one is full. I'm not really sure what it's gonna pick for you.

[C]

I wanna do that.

[D]

No, I will never get. I don't think the technology will ever get to a point where I will have it plan an entire trip and me just be like, sounds great.

[A]

It seems like it's the example every time I wanna go for a trip, let's plan a trip to France. And it just starts doing stuff.

[D]

I simply cannot imagine doing that.

[E]

But that's the future of Google's ads business.

[D]

I believe it.

[E]

We're already seeing like the birth of the AI SEO sort of industry of these ad agencies that are like we will boost your rankings on GPT and Claude and stuff like that. And I think this is the future, baby. Is like, buy this thing. And then the AI goes, who paid me money to say buy this thing?

[A]

I feel like I want the AI to kick in, like one step later in the process. Like, I want to do some of the research and I want to decide which exactly item I'm going to buy and then throw the AI in which, to be fair, that's one of the things is the improved autofill, which it's going to be able to take information from what it knows about you, from your wallet, from your photos. Let's say it needs a random driver's license ID number or something for some random purchase. I don't know why it would do that. Your passport, your passport id, that was one of the examples. But it could throw that in there because the improved autofill, it can take care of that for you. So that's the point where the AI, I think would be very useful for me.

[C]

But I'm looking forward to that. That autofill thing looked really dope because I spend way too much time filling out different addresses. Even with the autofill by Chrome and all this stuff, it still takes too long.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So if there's a way to just have AI do all these generic things, go for it.

[D]

I feel like the thought of this would freak my parents out. Like, I don't think there's some people who I feel like would not want to have their personal information. I assume there's ways to opt out of all of these, or is there?

[C]

You would hope so. I don't know, but I don't know.

[A]

I think it would be opt in. Well, at least the way it's been treated so far is I had to tell it to access my Gmail and

[C]

all that other stuff.

[A]

So it was opt in.

[C]

I had to give it access to everything. Yeah, my calendar, my Gmail, all that.

[A]

But I mean, hey, it's there already use it. I've taken a picture of my password before. That's the thing, though. Here's the thing. I have my current driver's license that I've taken a picture of. I also definitely have a picture of my old driver's license. Is the driver's license number the same? Maybe it is. If it pulls from the old one, is that gonna be a problem? I don't know.

[C]

Well, that was my question with. They had an example with MagicQ and they were like, oh, I'm going on a hike. And I was going back and forth with this person and they asked, they texted me the address. And with Magic Q, I could Just press the button and send them the address. And that has not worked for me once every time because it's like I'm going back and forth with the person and we're discussing multiple places. Like, oh, do you want to go here? What if we meet there? What about this place? And every time that Magic Cue button that pops up, it gives me one of those places. And not the one we settled.

[A]

That is. That's why I don't trust it.

[C]

I don't trust it.

[A]

That's one of those things.

[C]

It's like those little things like that where it's not gonna understand that we. I just said, yeah, let's do that one instead of putting in a whole address.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it just doesn't understand.

[A]

And then when it gets it wrong, it's that one little thing where it's like, now we don't want to trust it anymore. Where the person literally is like, where are we meeting? Oh, Magic cue. I just send the response and then you get there and they're like, I'm 15 miles away because you sent me an address.

[C]

Yeah, they went to the wrong airport.

[A]

Like David.

[E]

Oh my God.

[A]

So TBD on testing all of that stuff, but the last thing we got a little bit of a sneak peek of is Google Book. Yes, Google Book is. They hyped it a lot. Like it's a brand new concept, but to me it felt a lot like Chrome OS plus.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it's a Chromebook with Chrome os. It has Android apps, it has a premium build as they say. And it'll have a little light bar. It'll be made by one of several OEMs, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Asus. And it runs this more Gemini centered version of Chrome OS where it has essentially the magic pointer on the top of it which you wiggle the click the cursor and it becomes a little multimodal portal into Gemini. You can click a photo, learn about it, you can click several photos, combine them together. With nanobanana, you can ask it to rephrase some text that you highlight with the cursor. Your cursor becomes this portal into Gemini. It's a cool concept, but why a new product category?

[C]

That's what I'm confused about. This is just, it's just Chrome os,

[A]

it's just an update.

[C]

And the Chrome OS Chromebooks like the more recent ones that were really good already, could run Android apps.

[A]

Yep. In the Play Store.

[C]

Yeah. So I'm like, why do a whole rebrand?

[A]

I think there may be a distinction between Emulating the Play Store from your phone and actually running the app on the laptop.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Like, you know, you can, like, mirror your iPhone on your Mac. Same thing with, like, you can use apps that are on your phone and access files that are on your phone from the laptop. But I think that might be a slight distinction here, where it's actually running the app on the laptop instead of running it or mirroring it from what your phone is running.

[C]

But then how does it have the data from my phone?

[A]

Some other extra connection between a laptop. Okay, I don't think that part is new.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, now it's like, oh, I'm writing an email. Let me just attach a file that's from my phone. You can just drag it from your phone.

[D]

So this might be a stupid question, but did they kill Chromebooks?

[C]

That's what I was wondering.

[A]

I don't seem like they killed it.

[D]

So this is just a new addition.

[A]

They never mentioned Chromebooks, so I assumed they didn't kill Chromebooks. But this is a new concept. Google Book.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

I do like the idea. Like, when. When I saw it, I was like, oh, that's cool. Like, premium hardware. It's the same reason I was excited for, like, the old Chromebook Pixel, like, the nice premium laptops that are tied into all my Google stuff. I already have the Android phone, the Pixel phone, whatever. Like, just put it all in one place. I like that idea. I'm just confused about the whole new branding around Google Books specifically.

[D]

Well, who is this for? Who's. Who's buying this? That's what I want to know.

[A]

That's another good question, because we kind of know what a Chromebook is. And a Chromebook historically has been a cheaper, like, entry into the Google ecosystem for students and a lot of people who just need, like, a web browser, and that's basically it. And they have some apps on their phone. A more premium version of that means higher price tag, potentially higher performance, more interesting features.

[C]

But what does it do if you're having a higher price tag? I need it to do real work things.

[D]

It's an AI machine.

[A]

Yeah. It's built. It's the first laptop. Wait, let me take the exact quote.

[D]

Is there a price point for this either?

[C]

I didn't see any.

[A]

There's no pros. The first laptops designed for Google Gemini Intelligence from the ground up.

[C]

Does that mean that it can run Final Cut or Adobe Premiere or.

[A]

Definitely does.

[D]

I really doubt that.

[C]

Or even outside of, like, the Creative Video Editing workflow, like, can it do? I don't know.

[D]

No, like, this. This is not. It doesn't feel like a competitor to the MacBook Neo. Like, it doesn't even feel like a similar. Because that's like their budget item. And this feels completely different category.

[A]

This is the. I want to use Gemini more than the average person in Chromebook, which is me.

[C]

I would like to do that.

[D]

But you need a whole separate computer to do that.

[C]

Yeah. Like, I should be like, why can't I just install an app on my current computer that does all this? Yeah, why do I need a whole lot?

[A]

Why is this not a software update to an existing Chromebook?

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

That's what I would like to know.

[C]

Like, what is the benefit of me buying into this hardware system? Because it's like I'm buying a whole new laptop.

[A]

The Glow bar. Where else are you gonna get the Glow bar?

[C]

What it does. What is the glow? It just glows.

[A]

It just glows. It just looks nice.

[C]

All right. If it literally just glows, I'm here for it.

[A]

I think it literally just a nice.

[D]

Weren't they just, like, that's not the only thing it does. And then they, like, didn't elaborate. Did they say that I. I could be misremembering. It seemed very ominous.

[A]

I was taking notes, so I might have missed some parts of that, but it seems like it just glows.

[C]

If it literally just glows, I'm here for it. That's so just. Why not? Why not? Yeah, but I'm just like, I'm just confused about this. This whole thing.

[D]

Yeah. I'm not sure what the use case is, and I really want to know how much this is going to cost.

[A]

I will try to get my hands on a Google Book. I don't know who's going to make the first one. I don't know if it's going to be HP or. It will be hp ASUS or something. Probably hp. Yeah. We'll see if I can get my hands on Google Book.

[C]

Well, what was the first one? Wasn't it Acer? The C140 or something like that.

[A]

CR48. That one that was unbranded. Wait, I don't think they ever said, like, an oem. I thought it was literally a logo. Less matte black, featureless laptop, just what you want.

[C]

Oh, no, that was Acer. That was Acer. Acer. CR40.

[A]

Okay. Acer made it. Was there a logo? Are you looking at pictures of it?

[C]

Yeah, I'm looking at pictures. I don't see any logo.

[A]

This is like the first ever Chromebook. Oh, you can see how they got me into Chromebooks because they made a featureless, matte black, sleek Chromebook that started off and I was like, all right, I think I could get into this.

[C]

And then you tried to use it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like it has like one gig of RAM in it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I love, I used one for all throughout college. It was awesome. But then I graduated and I had to do things for work and I was like, now I can't use this computer. I need a new computer. And if I'm gonna spend like, I don't know, let's say it's what, 1500 for a premium? They kept saying premium, so I'm assuming it's gonna be really.

[A]

Right.

[C]

That's expensive.

[D]

Too much.

[A]

I picture when they say premium, I pictured a thousand.

[C]

A thousand. I mean that is premium. But I mean you get a MacBook Air for that.

[D]

So for this. And they didn't announce any other specs,

[E]

but the MacBook Air don't jiggle.

[A]

Baby doesn't have a glow bar. I mean premium could mean anything. The typical Chromebook range is like 250 to 550. 650 maybe.

[C]

But this isn't a Chromebook Marques. This is a premium hardware.

[A]

Right? Premium hardware. But that could just mean more metal than plastic. That could mean like a better keyboard deck and a brighter screen and stuff like that. It doesn't necessarily mean like high end specs and tons of ram.

[C]

I think that's exactly what it means. I think it just means metal.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. 799.

[C]

799.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

It's going to be, it's going to be interesting to put this alongside Chromebook and see what they actually do differently. Yeah, that's what we'll see. It doesn't test it on video.

[D]

We need David to test this. David, come home.

[A]

Speaking of David, you know what? He's not here for trivia.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

But Mariah will have to wait. So you get.

[D]

What am I playing for?

[A]

You played for Andrew last time.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you'll keep playing for Andrew.

[C]

You're in David's team.

[A]

You're in David's seat.

[E]

You should play for David.

[D]

Okay, Sorry.

[C]

And I'll play for Andrew. Okay.

[A]

You play for the person whose seat you are in. Yeah, I'll play for Marquez.

[D]

That's fair.

[A]

Adam will play for Andrew.

[G]

Seats.

[D]

Do you want to play for David?

[A]

No, I want to play for me. I want to play for me. I need points. I need points.

[E]

Okay. There's going to be a Price is Right rules. Question, please, Ellis. So closest without going over 17.99. Sony is known for choosing very bad names for their products because the names are overly complicated and filled with crazy numbers.

[A]

Do you have another way?

[E]

Google has the opposite problem where their names are so simple, they often overlap with one another and become confusing.

[A]

That's funny, they do do that.

[E]

How many Google products and services have the word book?

[D]

No. Is there a limit? What's the biggest number it could be?

[A]

Price is Right rules.

[E]

Price is Right rules. And I'm just gonna give you guys one hint right now. The Chromebook Pixel is only one. Even though the 2013 and 2015 Chromebook Pixels are different devices, I'm counting those as one device because they have one Wikipedia page.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

These are products and services. So remember, just to kick it off, there is now the Google Book and Google Books.

[C]

And these count. Like these current releases. You're adding these?

[E]

Yeah, Google. Like I said, both Google Book and Google Books is on the list.

[D]

David, you're not going to get any points today. I'm sorry, brother.

[C]

David is somewhere yelling at his phone because he actually knows the answer.

[D]

This is the one he was made for. I'm not even going to write anything down yet.

[A]

The service does not have to be alive still.

[E]

No, it does not.

[D]

Oh, no.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

Chances are it is not alive.

[A]

That's also true, statistically speaking.

[E]

And remember, there can be letters immediately preceding or immediately succeeding the word book. It can be blank, blank, blank, book

[A]

or book blank, blank, blank, like books later. All right, okay.

[C]

All right.

[A]

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[E]

welcome back. All right, so on the production calendar, we have had this day there for a while because this day is podcast recording with no David, no Andrew.

[C]

This day comes every year.

[E]

And you know us, we thought, what better than a game? And today, for the first time, I have my compatriot Rufus, who came up with this amazing game many weeks ago, and we have put it into effect. Do you guys remember when we did Family Feud and we asked the waveform audience to answer a bunch of questions?

[A]

Oh, yeah, we did, yeah.

[E]

Well, we bring you today, uh, oh, an even better version of it called I didn't time this one very well. Reddit, Family Feud. That's like Reddit Family feud. We found nine Reddit posts on Reddit.com that had answers that we thought were funny, interesting, bad, uninformed, informed, whatever you want it to be.

[C]

That's just Reddit. You just described Reddit.

[E]

We gave them to. I don't remember which AI model it might have been. Alibaba's. Quinn. Quinn, I think, I think it was quite. We gave them to Quinn and we said, quinn, perform sentiment analysis and let us know what the most common or upvoted answers to these questions asked on Reddit were. So the way this game is going to work is we're going to read you the Reddit post. You guys are going to have to guess what is either the most commonly answered thing or the most commonly upvoted thing, and we'll let you know before each question. This is an upvotes one. This is a sentiment analysis one. And I'm just going to give you a quick example. This first question we're going to do is why do people hate Apple so much? The number 10 answer on the board. So this is a most commonly answered one. The number 10 answer is lack of innovation. Year over year, nine people.

[C]

That was number 10.

[E]

That was the least. That was like, of the top 10. The least.

[A]

This is like Daily Tens, but in real life. Yeah.

[C]

So if I had answered that, I would get how many points?

[E]

So I'm glad you said that, because I was about to bring that up. The last time we did Family Feud, we used a linear, straightforward, straightforward answering system that I think we stole from. I can't remember how they do scoring on the TV show, but if you answer the 10th answer, you'd get one point. If you answered the top answer, you get 10 points. This time we said increase chaos by a lot. And the points are based on how common that answer was. So if you had gotten that Answer, lack of innovation. Year over year, you'd have gotten nine points out. If you had gotten the number one answer for this question, which I will not read right now, you would have gotten 58 points.

[C]

This could get out of hand.

[E]

This will get out of hand. This will get out of hand. That's kind of the point. Okay, so the way we're going to do it is you hit your buzzer. It locks everyone else's buzzers, and then you get the chance to answer. You'll either get it right or you'll get it wrong. If you get it right, you get to make another guess. And if you get it wrong, then it gets unlocked. Then someone else can buzz in and steal it.

[C]

I'm gonna go nine for nine. You guys are not gonna be able to answer. The segment will be over in about three minutes.

[E]

And if you guys are somehow like prime brain Redditors, like you just can guess what Redditors are doing, then we'll. We'll turn on that. You could get three guesses, and then you're not guessing that question anymore. But I think we should be good as is.

[D]

We may need to test this out and just see what the.

[E]

I don't know how to decide who.

[A]

I guess I've done a good amount of redditing in my day.

[E]

Yeah. So why do people hate apple so much? Someone buzz in.

[C]

I was me.

[F]

Adam.

[C]

Yeah, boy.

[F]

People hate apple so much.

[C]

Because it's expensive.

[F]

It's expensive.

[A]

Ding, ding, ding. That's. Yeah.

[F]

Number one.

[C]

Number one answer.

[F]

58 points to Adam.

[C]

Yeah. Catch up.

[D]

That's crazy.

[C]

Eat my bubbles.

[D]

All right, all right. Oh, we're just.

[F]

You just.

[E]

No, no, you had the. You got it right.

[A]

You don't have to buzz again.

[C]

Oh, okay. So I can just keep going? Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So then the next most common answer by Redditors is. Because it's ass.

[A]

Because it's bad.

[E]

Because I don't think anything.

[D]

Oh, sorry. Was that preemptive?

[E]

It was, but Mariah will let you answer.

[D]

Can I say they break easily.

[A]

Lack of repairability.

[E]

That's funny. So that's people. No. Yeah, one. But Marquez, you did but it in. And you did say not repairable, which is the third most high sad thing on this question.

[A]

There you go.

[C]

Okay.

[F]

Six points.

[D]

Wait, so did I not get any points?

[A]

No.

[D]

Wait, you just said yes to all

[A]

of that and then.

[F]

No, it was

[A]

what he said. I have a feeling the whole game's gonna go like that. Yeah.

[D]

Are we still going?

[C]

Yeah. Are we still going?

[E]

Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. I think Marquez got that right.

[A]

Technically. And I keep going.

[D]

Okay, sorry.

[A]

The board is yours. User hostility.

[E]

Explain what you mean by that.

[A]

Ecosystem wall.

[E]

Yep. Now, walled garden ecosystem number five.

[A]

Answer number five. 29 points. Interesting. What about, like, not available in my. Or. Yeah, not available in my region.

[E]

Unfortunately, I do not see that nowhere.

[A]

Too bad.

[C]

They're trying to get themselves into every region.

[D]

They're ugly.

[A]

The design.

[D]

I'll go back.

[A]

I feel like Reddit would say that. I feel like they.

[E]

No, people think they look great.

[C]

Sims. Lack of customization.

[A]

That's a good one.

[C]

Give me that, Give me that.

[E]

No, no, come on.

[C]

Redditors, Marquez.

[A]

Lacking in, like, updated specs. They never have the biggest batteries or the highest numbers or any of that. No, no. Silicon carbon, you know.

[C]

Okay, wait, let's see, let's see.

[A]

No games, bro.

[C]

No games.

[A]

Just read it.

[D]

Oh, no way.

[F]

Gaming limitations.

[C]

Let's go. Number four.

[F]

For 32 points, gamers spend $1,200 on GPU alone. Counter argument.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Thanks.

[C]

GP can't afford this.

[F]

Gamers cannot afford that. A lot of these are. You're answering these questions as the Redditors would give the actual answers. Yeah, but a lot of these are just Reddit responses.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[F]

Well, it's things like, a lot of these are. I don't care. I'm gonna talk about something else.

[D]

I could have said that.

[C]

Okay, so I'm gonna.

[A]

I got that.

[C]

Right?

[E]

So think about if you said, why do Apple products suck so much? Why? You know, what is the second highest answer on the board would be?

[C]

Your mom?

[A]

Because they always have.

[E]

Not quite. Mariah, I see you itching to buzz in.

[D]

I don't know. They don't like Tim Cook.

[C]

No.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Would it be they don't suck?

[D]

You didn't buzz in.

[A]

I just buzzed.

[F]

Which one you want to give him?

[A]

Oh, I thought this is an example.

[E]

I just give it to six. Okay, there's the. The number two answer on the board. It's sort of a slight variation on that, but it's slight enough that I think it deserves its own thing. But next time, let's make sure we're using the buzzers, folks.

[A]

Okay, got it, got it, got it.

[D]

I need to think like a Redditor.

[C]

Wait, so what was your most recent answer? What'd you just say? It doesn't suck.

[A]

It doesn't suck.

[F]

And the answer on the board was build quality and reliability is actually excellent.

[D]

So we have both sides. We have. Did we already say, like. So we have. It doesn't Suck. But do we already. We already have. It sucks, right? Question mark.

[A]

But why? It's. Why does it suck?

[D]

It doesn't matter. They just don't like it.

[A]

Not on the board.

[D]

No.

[C]

Siri is goaded.

[A]

Not on the board.

[D]

No way.

[C]

I don't think anybody thinks that.

[A]

I think they would say something about the pretentious attitude of presenting everything as revolutionary when it's not.

[E]

That. I would say that is 7 tribalism slash platform wars. That feels.

[C]

Damn.

[E]

That feels on point.

[D]

Can we say, like explicitly better than Android? Nothing.

[E]

That might have. I might have given you tribalism for that, but.

[D]

What was his Reddit post again?

[C]

What was the question?

[E]

It was, why do people hate Apple?

[D]

Oh, that's right.

[E]

So much.

[A]

I thought that was an example question.

[D]

Yeah, that doesn't count.

[A]

Were we getting points for that?

[C]

Yeah, we were getting points.

[F]

And it's a closer game than you would think.

[A]

Oh, shit.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Whoops. Okay, let's do it.

[D]

Oh, boy.

[E]

Guys, after that first question, you said this is a close game. Adam, you are in second place with 90 points. No, Marquez, you are in first place with 110 points.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

And Mariah holding up the caboose with zero points. It's okay, Mariah. The questions you guys left on the board were number nine, people think hating popular things makes them smart. Number eight was an HP Elite book comparison. And number two, the variation on they don't suck is people who hate it haven't actually used.

[C]

That's a good one.

[A]

By the way.

[F]

14 people commented about the HP Elite book.

[G]

Wow.

[D]

What forum was this on?

[F]

Reddit.comrmac.

[D]

oh, okay.

[E]

Oh, yeah. We should read the subreddit.

[A]

Yeah, you're probably talking about the Neo or something.

[E]

Guys, this next question.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

No, wait.

[C]

I'm ready.

[E]

Guys, let's just give it up for Rufus.

[C]

This is this. Let's go.

[E]

We've ever done kicking off this next question. Very similar. This is on R. Computers.

[C]

Computer.

[E]

Why does everyone hate Windows 11?

[A]

The ads, bro.

[F]

Number 10 answer ads in the OS.

[A]

That's number 10. Yep.

[D]

There's worse.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

I really hate Windows 11.

[A]

The bugs. The bugs is.

[D]

He's just gonna run down the list.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

That is number eight.

[C]

Oh, damn. Okay.

[F]

Really not the worse than Windows 10.

[A]

Okay. The aesthetics, it's not very clean or polished or good looking.

[E]

No, I'm not gonna get it to.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

All right. Privacy.

[E]

Privacy is.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

What number is that? 4. 5. The number five answer worth 27 points.

[C]

Damn right.

[E]

Adam, you've controlled the board.

[C]

Okay, next up after privacy. The obvious answer is build quality.

[E]

This is Windows 11, which is an operating system.

[C]

Yeah. It comes on laptops, does it not?

[E]

It comes on everything.

[D]

AI. We hate AI.

[E]

AI is the number two answer. 38 points. She is officially here, folks.

[A]

Nice.

[E]

Mariah, you have control.

[A]

Oh, no.

[D]

We hate McAfee.

[A]

Good answer, good answer. No, no one said that.

[E]

Adam. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, no, no, no. Bloatware and AI features were bundled into one, unfortunately, yes. Adam, I'm sorry, you.

[C]

Yeah, no, it's fine. Yeah, whatever. No, Mariah gets the ghost, though. She has control.

[D]

I went wrong. I was wrong because I said. Oh, we're bundling it. Okay, okay. Oh, man, I never thought I'd make it this far. We hate Windows 11 because of the. The. We already did. We talked about the tiles. We said. You said design or ui, Right?

[A]

I did.

[D]

Tiles. We see in tiles on here.

[A]

Feel like this is Start menu.

[E]

Okay, we got. We got to explain this.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Marques, you said the design and we said no. However, UI changes are on here, but I do believe tiles was brought into Windows picture in Windows 8.

[D]

Yeah, that's old. That's old.

[E]

So. But honestly, just to make it a more competitive game, let's keep Mariah the points.

[G]

We're so back.

[D]

David, I'm gonna make you proud, my son.

[C]

Okay, Mariah, you have the control of

[E]

the board once again, man.

[D]

Other things that we hate.

[E]

The number one answer is still on the board, folks.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

I got this. I got this.

[A]

I know what it is. Hold on.

[D]

I feel like we've said all the main things that we don't like.

[C]

We did not.

[D]

What else is there?

[A]

Right?

[E]

I'm going to start as five seconds.

[C]

So many things. Things.

[D]

We don't like the game Hub. It's terrible.

[E]

I don't see game.

[B]

I know.

[D]

No one cares, Marquez.

[A]

We actually do like Windows.

[C]

That was my guess.

[F]

Unanimously hated.

[C]

There are no left turns in this one.

[D]

Can you read the. The thread again? The title of it, Fred, again.

[F]

Why does everyone hate Windows 11?

[C]

Okay, Copilot

[F]

bundled into AI features

[A]

because they all use Macs and they're too dumb to learn Windows. I'm trying to think like a Redditor right now.

[C]

Wait. Okay, great point. Think like a Redditor because Linux is better.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

Should be there, but it's not.

[D]

Ah, we miss Windows 10.

[E]

These are all.

[C]

Damn. We're better Redditors than Redditors. Yeah.

[A]

That's crazy. We're thinking too small.

[C]

Okay, wait, what's that weird thing?

[D]

That like screenshots your whole history. We don't like that. Okay, never mind.

[A]

No, that's.

[D]

Is it not.

[A]

No, it's called recall.

[D]

Recall.

[F]

Also written down in that same answer.

[C]

Okay, okay, okay.

[F]

We've hit the number two answer like five times.

[C]

Nope, still number one. Damn.

[E]

You're missing a few textbook, classic Microsoft complaints.

[A]

Oh, we said AI already. Because they didn't add. I don't know.

[D]

We don't like Microsoft.

[A]

No system requirements.

[E]

There are two answers on the board that involve Microsoft, but not. It's a little too general.

[C]

We don't trust Microsoft.

[E]

No, it's still too general.

[F]

What does Windows do that you hate?

[A]

That I hate?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

What does Windows do that you wish it didn't?

[A]

Oh. Cause it doesn't. Oh, that's different. I was gonna say it doesn't have all the Apple apps in Final Cut. Stuff like that.

[C]

Too many pop ups.

[A]

What does it do that I wish it didn't?

[E]

What does Windows do that you wish it did not do?

[D]

It's incompatible with Windows.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, I don't know. Random forced updates.

[E]

Yes.

[D]

Man.

[C]

Is that number one?

[F]

Number nine.

[A]

Oh, what number one?

[C]

Number one's gonna be like three points.

[A]

Something insane.

[C]

What is number one?

[D]

It has to do with my related to Microsoft.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait.

[C]

Okay. Maybe we should brainstorm.

[E]

Marquez, you said. You said bugs right Earlier. I think that might be the number four answer. I think that. Because it's talking about.

[F]

I think I. Yeah, we can.

[A]

But he.

[F]

We already gave him an answer for it, so we can double the points.

[E]

That's true.

[D]

What about micro?

[F]

So either somebody gets the specific.

[A]

What do we not like about Windows 11?

[C]

Oh, yeah, Windows 11 specific.

[E]

Andrew's like screaming at home right now.

[A]

This is. Oh, oh, drivers.

[D]

Oh, I went. I think driver updates.

[A]

I hate drivers.

[C]

Have gotten pretty good.

[A]

System requirements.

[E]

Perhaps.

[A]

What.

[E]

What about.

[A]

Explain the minimum system requirements are always so high. Yep.

[E]

Yeah, we'll give it to you.

[C]

That's number one.

[E]

No, the number three answer was hardware requirements forcing E waste from older, compatible, unsupported PCs.

[C]

Whoa. Shout out to Reddit for caring about E waste.

[E]

Redditors love the environment.

[C]

That's awesome.

[A]

We still don't have number one. That's insane.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

They're all banging on their keyboards right now.

[E]

What?

[C]

Yeah, it's gotten too expensive.

[D]

I think Reddit.

[C]

Damn it.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

What do you need to run Windows, Marquez?

[A]

You needed. You need a gpu.

[C]

Can't get one of those. Yeah. Ram.

[A]

No.

[C]

Damn.

[E]

What's funny is that this is something that you also need to use a Mac.

[A]

Huh?

[C]

No.

[A]

No.

[C]

Are you sure about that?

[F]

Do not need the equivalent thing from

[C]

Apple to do this.

[A]

Never mind the equivalent.

[E]

Guys, I think it's time to wrap this one up.

[D]

I don't know, man.

[A]

We don't know.

[D]

Tower PC. Tower.

[F]

Number one answer. Forced Microsoft account requirement.

[A]

Oh.

[F]

Also still on the board. Number four, broken updates and system crashes after patching. And the number seven answer. We hate OneDrive. Get rid of OneDrive. Nobody likes it.

[C]

What's so funny is the number one answer is the reason my dad won't use it. He complains to me all the time.

[D]

You should have listened to the outfit. I did not get that.

[A]

That is the number one thing I was annoyed by when setting up a competing.

[G]

It's so fleeting.

[D]

It's just for such a short period of time.

[A]

It's like an hour. Yeah, it's like the first hour. You own the thing.

[F]

So we're gonna move on to our next point. Our next question. And to round out the points, we have Marquez in first place with 187. Adam in second place with 117. And Mariah rounding out the back with 61 points.

[A]

All right.

[C]

We're not that far behind. If we combine our forces, we can beat him.

[D]

We can beat him real quick.

[E]

I just want to make sure something. I just want to make sure everything's right. Adam, can you look at your camera real quick?

[A]

Jesus Christ.

[F]

Did you do it?

[D]

Bring Andrew home. Bring Andrew back.

[C]

Oh, God.

[D]

What's the next question?

[E]

This one is one that David will be sad he missed because it is from r Solo traveler.

[C]

I thought it was from r analogue Solo Traveler.

[E]

Why are you laughing?

[C]

As he's solo traveling right now.

[E]

He's gonna solo travel right now.

[A]

That's funny.

[E]

R Solo Traveler. Solo travel. Excuse me. And the question is Peak design backpack. All right, well.

[C]

No, no, no.

[E]

Does anyone else want to try and RuPaul this one?

[A]

There's no penalty. There's no negative.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Lonely.

[A]

Nope.

[D]

That's all there. Okay.

[A]

Too expensive.

[E]

The question is, do you bring your laptop on trips?

[C]

No.

[E]

You gotta give me more, though.

[C]

No, it's too heavy. Mariah.

[E]

Wait, wait. That is the number one answer on the board.

[C]

No.

[F]

Travel light with just phone slash, tablet.

[C]

That's what I do.

[E]

Nice, Adam.

[A]

That's the only answer.

[C]

Thank you.

[E]

Yeah, I have nine more number.

[C]

Wait, I'm sorry.

[D]

I got excited.

[C]

Yes. I need to work.

[E]

That's the number two answer of the board. Only for work trips.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

I can't stop working.

[C]

Let's go right down the list. Number three sometimes. Depends on the trip.

[F]

Yep.

[C]

Which one is that?

[F]

What?

[E]

You got to give me more info about the trip. What's the differentiator?

[C]

Am I visiting family or not?

[E]

Nope.

[C]

Damn. Marquez. Yep.

[A]

Sometimes. Depending on if I need to write a lot on this trip. Type a lot. Keyboard.

[E]

No keyboard. That would be the answer.

[D]

God, can I get a keyboard? Big business.

[E]

No, that's kind of the only. That's only number two answer. Only for work trips.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Oh, if I have a meeting.

[E]

No, it still works out there.

[A]

It's the biggest screen I can bring with me, so I'll watch a movie on it.

[D]

That's pretty good.

[E]

No, watch a movie.

[C]

Make a movie.

[A]

I mean, you could edit a movie on it.

[E]

Okay. That is what the number. Yep. The number six answer for photography. Editing needs.

[A]

That's way higher than I thought.

[C]

Oh, wait. You still get to go oh.

[A]

For solo travel. Okay. What else would they say? They would say, I forgot we're doing solo traveling. They would say, no, they don't even own a laptop. That's a good nerds. No.

[E]

Sorry, Ryan.

[D]

They're like, no, I don't want it to break on my trip.

[A]

No, it's a good answer. I don't have Apple.

[D]

You don't want anything to happen.

[E]

There are. There are other reasons that people said they would not bring one, but breaking is actually not one of the ones listed.

[D]

That's, like, my number one reason. I don't want to bring it places.

[C]

No, I don't want it to get stolen.

[E]

No, I don't want to get stolen as the number five answer.

[C]

Thank you, Mariah. Yes. How else do I game?

[A]

Surprising what nerds aren't gaming r solo travel. What would these people.

[D]

Digital Nomad.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

For work. No.

[E]

You know what? Just keep it competitive. We're gonna give you the number eight answer on the board. Long trips, only months.

[D]

That is digital Noah.

[A]

She said.

[D]

She said, I don't want the points.

[A]

Different type of.

[E]

No, you already have the points. We literally cannot subtract them from your score. Also, yes, that is what you said Nomad implies. You're traveling for Digital Nomad.

[D]

Digital Nomad.

[E]

No, that's. That is.

[C]

It's like Tron.

[E]

The comments will agree with me.

[A]

Okay,

[D]

what else won't bring it?

[C]

Because how many answers do we have left? Yeah, what's left on the board? We have five. The bottom five.

[E]

Or super quick tangent. Just before I forget, we were. Everyone was talking about the Google event after it ended, and someone was like, Yeah, I keep trying to do the. This Gemini thing with voice and it doesn't work. And someone was like, well, do you think it. Do you think it trained with the voice? And I was like Bene Gesserit talking to Lisan Al Gaib.

[A]

Oh, trained with the voice.

[C]

Thank you.

[E]

All right, I don't remember who is up. So buzz in somebody.

[A]

Well, you gave Mariah the digital nomad,

[E]

then Mariah has the board and no one should buzz.

[D]

I don't know, man. Why aren't we bringing laptops? This is. This is. We aren't bringing laptops.

[C]

Well, it's. Do you bring your laptop?

[E]

What do you think the Reddit community responded to the prompt?

[D]

They said, yes, I have to day trade. No, it still business. Stock exchange.

[A]

Marquez, my laptop doesn't do anything that I want to do on this trip.

[E]

Yes, I will quantify that. As regretted bringing it. Slash barely used it.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, okay. And then Marquez, it's just another thing I have to charge. I don't want to charge it. Good. No.

[D]

Mariah, did we already say like doesn't fit in bag travel light.

[C]

I think, I think. Oh, okay.

[E]

Yeah, I think that's the number four answer. Bring an iPad tablet instead.

[C]

Okay, nice. Sure, sure. That's different.

[E]

Excuse you?

[A]

Oh, I. I thought we said that already.

[E]

Excuse you.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Okay, so now we have three answers left.

[E]

Three answers left. The number three, nine and ten answer was not a lot of points left.

[D]

Left.

[A]

Laptop.

[D]

What are the Redditors thinking?

[A]

It's cuz I brought my Tower PC instead. Solo travel.

[C]

Number three response on Reddit would be where are you going?

[D]

Oh, like people are asking.

[F]

Yeah, now. Now you're thinking with portals.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[F]

Not on the board.

[D]

Okay, I think we can. Are they like, why do you need it? Use case scenario.

[E]

I think we can sweep this one up. I think we have enough. We have three left on the board. This one up.

[A]

Seems sweeping on your mind, Ellis. Interesting. You go on.

[C]

I'm sorry, Ellis.

[A]

I love you.

[F]

You okay? You guys made him sad. So number three. Yes, but only a cheap or a cheap laptop or a Chromebook. Number nine, my phone is stolen. I'm glad I had a laptop as a backup. Number 10, read a book, okay? Just read a book, whatever.

[C]

Touch grass. No, that's not the same.

[F]

Rounding out the points we have. Okay, Adam now in the lead with 241 points. Marquez with 214 and Mariah with 92.

[C]

Let's go.

[E]

I want to.

[C]

Before we do, guys, we can end this here.

[E]

Thank you. I think we should do this one next.

[C]

Okay, good.

[E]

So R Retconned is the subreddit for the Mandela Effect, but it's different than the Mandela Effect subreddit because in the rules, it says you have to approach this subreddit with the assumption that the Mandela Effect is real and the past actually is changing. Okay, so it's pretty.

[D]

So that's like conspiracy theory.

[E]

It's like it's conspiracy theory, but not like, oh, what if these conspiracy theories are real? It's like this is happening to me.

[D]

Got it.

[A]

I have submission for the Mandela Effect. Fisher Price car. Never. There's never been a Fisher Price car. It's little tykes.

[E]

What? I had one as a kid.

[A]

Everyone thinks it's a Fisher Price car.

[C]

Wait, the one you reviewed on a car?

[E]

It's not Fisher Price.

[D]

We have one in the studio. You can go look.

[E]

Yeah, but who makes it Little tykes?

[C]

What?

[E]

Little tykes. Not a sub brand?

[A]

Nope.

[E]

Oh, I can see myself getting that wrong. Guys, someone asked R Retconned, can your phone read your mind?

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

What did the conspiracy theorists of Reddit respond?

[A]

They responded. They have to be listening to you all the time. Yes.

[E]

That's a number four answer phone. Listening through microphone. AI Pattern recognition. Marquez, you have the board, which is a Jeopardy thing. I know I'm mixing up my games, but. Everyone shut up.

[A]

Yeah, that's fine, King. You're photoing your mind. Um, it seems like it's reading your mind based on how much it knows about you, but it just knows so much about you.

[F]

Real two.

[E]

No, I think. I think that might be the number two answer.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

Coincidence, slash. Algorithms are just really good at prediction. That's the number two answer?

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Jesus Christ, Mark. Yes.

[A]

Why does it think it's running ad tracking? Maybe that's just the number.

[E]

Nah, I mean, there's no tracking.

[D]

It knows where I am. How does it know?

[E]

Can we call that the number one answer? I don't know. No, no, no, no, no. What would. What would. Honestly, Mariah, it. I'm giving you the number nine answer. The number nine answer. Spiritual psychic abilities explanation.

[C]

Yeah. This is amazing.

[F]

Basically, from here on out, the number one answer is kind of reasonable, but

[C]

everything else is crazy.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[E]

What would Redditors. What would a Redditor type into their keyboard?

[D]

What was. Remind me the prompt again. Sorry.

[E]

Can your phone read your mind on R Retconned neuralink? Yeah. No, the number six answer. Brain wave EMF thinking with phone technology.

[D]

I was literally gonna say that. Next.

[E]

Okay, Adam, it is. You have it.

[D]

Conspiracy theories.

[C]

Conspiracy theories. All right, I'm gonna go with Bluetooth.

[E]

Oh, I do not see Bluetooth on here, Marquez.

[A]

Eye tracking.

[E]

Eye tracking is not on here.

[A]

I'm surprised.

[D]

So not like facial recognition. How does it know to unlock my phone?

[E]

Facial recognition is thanks to not on here.

[D]

How does it know what I look like?

[E]

Where's the one about the.

[A]

How does your phone know what you're. Does your phone read your mind? I'm a Redditor. Does your phone read your mind? Um, actually, no, it doesn't read your mind.

[E]

That was. Oh, skeptical slash dismissive responses.

[A]

Okay. Wow.

[E]

Way to go, Marques.

[A]

Okay, it does read your mind. This has got to be one of those.

[F]

You want to say more. What else would like.

[A]

Yes, and yeah, it's reading your thoughts.

[E]

I don't want to give him those points, just. But only because he's. I'm going to be a little strict because you're ahead.

[C]

It's reading your emotions.

[E]

Uh, no, I haven't seen that movie though, so I don't know.

[C]

I. I think I. Mariah, did we

[D]

already talk about targeted ads? I think we might have.

[E]

Yeah. Okay, okay, hold on. We only have a few more. We can, we can wrap this one up if you're. If you're curious. What the. Yes, Ryan, that's your answer.

[A]

We don't have number one yet.

[E]

Right, we don't have number one.

[D]

Can I include like Facebook conspiracy related things on this?

[E]

No. Well, what do you mean?

[D]

I don't know, man. Just Facebook.

[E]

No, I got one. If you were a Redditor, what would you, what would you write?

[C]

Oh, Marquez.

[D]

The Illuminati secret, secret group knows where I'm at.

[A]

That's pretty. That's kind of like this, but not.

[E]

I think that's closer to. I thought that was closer to that. I thought that's what that movie was about.

[C]

This is like something.

[A]

This is a movie.

[E]

Who here has seen the movie? Don't look up.

[D]

I don't think so.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I've seen it.

[D]

Was that the.

[E]

Okay, give Adam the points then just to automatically. Because I haven't seen it. Have you seen it?

[A]

Does he need these points?

[F]

I haven't seen it, but I know

[C]

a little bit more. I need all four points.

[D]

I know someone who needs points.

[A]

We're just giving Adam points.

[E]

Yeah, Adam, you have the board.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Reasons.

[F]

Say more.

[E]

Say more.

[C]

So because they want to sell you things?

[A]

No, Marquez, I feel like I've seen this on Reddit a Lot. This one time I was talking about something and then I got an ad for it.

[E]

Personal story of phone showing exactly what they thought about was the number one answer on the board. We didn't want to give it to you earlier, but that was just two on the nose. Marques.

[A]

Yeah, I've seen that on Reddit quite a bit.

[E]

The Michael Jordan of Reddit.

[C]

Guessing from the logo.

[E]

Let's go. One more guess from everyone here and then we'll wrap up this one.

[C]

All right, so this one is. Is my phone reading my mind?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Okay.

[C]

As answered by Reddit folk, all three

[F]

of the remaining answers on the board are insane.

[A]

Okay, Marquez, the artificial intelligence is simulating a human mind.

[E]

We cannot give you those points, unfortunately,

[D]

Mariah, when we're just like. We're in a simulation.

[E]

Yes, the number six answer. We are living in a Truman show like simulation.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

Amazing. Mariah, you have control of the board for this last conspiracy theory.

[D]

Name another conspiracy.

[E]

One of these is another conspiracy theory. And I'll give you a hint. This one is for the girls.

[D]

It's for the girls. Oh, no.

[C]

Birds aren't real.

[D]

What are we. What are we lying about? I'm not supposed to tell.

[C]

Yeah, what'd you guys talk about the last convention?

[A]

What was the last meeting?

[E]

Gwyneth Paltrow. Conspiracies.

[D]

Goop.

[E]

But what's the conspiracy? Come on, give me something.

[D]

She. Like I already said. Illuminati. Aliens.

[E]

Let me help.

[A]

Pirates of the Caribbean.

[D]

Conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory.

[C]

The blood of the youth.

[E]

No. Adrena Grove.

[D]

Pizzagate. Okay, sorry. Got that.

[A]

Can your phone read your mind?

[D]

Conspiracy.

[C]

Conspiracy.

[D]

Conspiracy.

[C]

I got nothing.

[A]

I can't think of anything else. Well, what did we miss?

[F]

That's okay. I think we wrap this one up.

[D]

What is it?

[F]

The last two on the board are the number three. Answer. Manifestation theory. We're creating these synchronicities. Or number seven Answer. Haptic feedback. Reading energy vibrations through hands.

[A]

The crystals, the frequencies and the manifestation.

[D]

Frequency, vibration of the points.

[A]

Holy crap. Okay, okay.

[F]

The point standings now are Mariah with 116 points at the back, Adam with 260 points in the middle, and Marques with a whopping 368 points in the lead.

[D]

Is this a tech podcast?

[E]

No, it's about to be because it's about to hit you guys with the absolute banger of this game. The question is, this is an R Android.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Let's go.

[C]

I'm ready.

[A]

I've spent enough hours.

[C]

I was in there this morning. Let's go.

[E]

What is the worst Android phone you've ever owned.

[C]

Marquez.

[A]

God, there's so many that could be. Number one. HTC Thunderbolt.

[F]

Number three. Answer.

[D]

No way. Really?

[A]

Okay, good. Worst Android phone. I want to go with a Nexus.

[C]

I was thinking something similar, but Nexus 4.

[E]

Nexus 4 is literally on there. I apologize.

[C]

What?

[A]

Okay. Worst Android phone I've ever used. Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge. It's probably not on there yet. It's probably too soon for that to be up there.

[C]

Galaxy S8 Edge or S7 Edge? I forget which one it was. Mariah.

[D]

Pixel 6. No reason in particular.

[E]

Pixel 6 is on there.

[C]

No way.

[A]

From experience.

[E]

Specifically noted were the battery life and overheating issues.

[D]

Let's go.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Galaxy S8. Oh, no, no. Yes. I'm gonna say that one. No.

[C]

Okay. No.

[A]

Worst Android phone. What's the. Ever used.

[D]

What's the. Really, really thick. Is it. Motorola phone? Oh, my God. What's the big daddy phone?

[E]

Motorola?

[D]

I don't know. I don't know.

[E]

Motorola. Come on, just name a Motorola phone. Any Motorola phone. You can do it.

[D]

What does Paris Hilton have? I don't know. You know the one I'm talking about?

[E]

I don't.

[A]

She had a Razor Fold.

[D]

Can I Google this? What is this thing called?

[A]

Galaxy Nexus?

[C]

No, that one everyone loved.

[A]

I loved it, but it had some problems.

[C]

LG Wing.

[A]

Oh, there's a lot of LG phones. I can't hear Marquez. Okay. LG G8.

[C]

No, that one was awesome.

[A]

Okay. LG G9. Okay.

[C]

LG G6.

[D]

The Note 7?

[E]

Yes.

[C]

Oh. Why are you Googling this?

[D]

I couldn't remember what it's called. Listen, this isn't my life. I don't know all these phones.

[E]

Note 7. Noted for its explosion risk.

[C]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[A]

That tracks.

[D]

What's the one that, like, exploded the Samsung phone?

[C]

That one.

[A]

That was the Note 7.

[D]

Was that the.

[A]

That was the one.

[D]

Great. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You know another Android phone. Is there like a. Like a razor situation in here?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

I'll give that one to you. Razor M was on there. I'm only giving you that one because you're so behind.

[A]

What number was that?

[E]

Just Razor M. Like, we still don't

[A]

have one, two, or three, right?

[E]

Oh, yes, you have three.

[F]

You don't have one or two.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[E]

One, two, five, seven.

[A]

Worst Android phone ever, Ever, ever made. Ever made or ever that they use.

[C]

Right. Is it ever owned? Owned. Okay, okay.

[E]

Okay, guys, we're getting close to it for a little bit.

[D]

Can I say the Samsung Fold one?

[E]

That Is not on here.

[C]

That is good.

[A]

So bad.

[C]

The bad phone, the Z flip one.

[A]

I'm gonna think of, like, phones that were bust of the year. Like, it's not gonna be this saga, Solana. It's not gonna be upvoted a lot,

[D]

but something is a lot of old stuff on this.

[C]

Well, it has to be a phone that people have.

[E]

This is not upvoted. This is how red people actually wrote this down.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

This is not upvoted.

[A]

How many people wrote it? Oh, I was gonna say red hydrogen.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But nobody bought that, so that's not gonna be up there.

[D]

Okay, start naming phones, man.

[A]

What's a phone that. A lot of people.

[C]

That's what I'm thinking.

[A]

A lot of people bought it, and a lot of people didn't like it.

[C]

The Motorola Droid X. I love that

[F]

it was lumped in with Motorola Droid series Slash Razor.

[C]

Okay, that's one answer.

[D]

Mariah, what's that? Windows Phone

[A]

R. Android.

[D]

Oh, my God. Mandela effects, right?

[E]

You just got retconned Android phones.

[A]

That's the worst.

[E]

Guys, I. Can. We. We can. We can wrap this up if we feel like we're getting slow, but I

[A]

will say, I don't know what Android phones.

[E]

Adam and Marquez, you guys were circling the drain earlier when.

[A]

When LG G3.

[F]

No.

[C]

Damn it.

[A]

LG Wing. I said that.

[C]

No.

[D]

No one cares about the phone.

[A]

LG G5. No.

[C]

LG G1.

[A]

LG G4.

[E]

The number one answer on this. People said that it had boot loop issues.

[A]

Oh, the G4 was. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was bad.

[C]

I was gonna say G Flex.

[A]

The G5 had, like, the modular, like, pull out the battery thing, but the G4 was. Was.

[C]

That was number one.

[E]

That was number one. Guys, I think we should wrap it here. There is no possible way.

[A]

Oh, wait, no, I could get one. Although no one bought them like Sony Xperia 1.

[C]

Give it to him.

[E]

All Sony Xperia phones is the number 10 answer.

[C]

What?

[A]

Jesus.

[D]

Who even knows those exist?

[E]

Six people, apparently.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

This is a small thread.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. Wow. That's it.

[D]

That's all of them.

[C]

That's all of them.

[F]

There's more.

[D]

Oh, guys.

[E]

The answers left on the board include the number two answer. The Samsung Galaxy J series Samsung budget phones noted their laggy, terrible experience. The Samsung S21 and S22 series overheating, and people were upset about Exynos.

[A]

S20 Ultra.

[E]

Just 21 and 22 series is what Quinn decided to sum up for us.

[C]

Interesting.

[E]

At number seven, 12 people put OnePlus early models, including the 3T and 7 Pro for software issues.

[A]

7 Pro is one of my favorite phones ever.

[C]

Yeah, phone's awesome.

[A]

Interesting. Wow.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

Well, okay, I think.

[D]

Hear me.

[C]

So I won, right?

[D]

Hear me out. We're combining our points into one to beat.

[C]

I don't. I still don't think we would win.

[E]

You still wouldn't beat him.

[D]

There's surely. There's surely. It's not possible.

[E]

You would still be about 30 points short.

[C]

Oh, damn.

[E]

Do you guys want.

[C]

Okay, Marquez, I have a proposition.

[E]

I think we got to wrap this game up and we'll pick it up maybe as a segment in the next trivia extravaganza. Guys, the lights are being really weird today. Anyway, thank you for playing Reddit Family Food. Our final score is Mariah the caboose with 153 points. Adam carrying the one with 297 points. And Marquette absolutely dominating the field with 446 points. Thank you for playing. Thank you, Rufus, for coming on today's little segment game thing. Andrew, David, we miss you.

[C]

Come home, come home, come home.

[A]

Come back. David, you can't be far.

[C]

The lights are so bright at the big table.

[A]

Come back and see.

[C]

I miss my corner.

[A]

You can bring all the new ones with you, the little ones.

[E]

Guys, with that, we have our actual trivia.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

Okay, I'm ready.

[E]

No one hit your buzzer because it'll mess up the computer.

[D]

Oh, is there another question?

[E]

There is another question. It's also about Google. No, guys, Google's official blog, the keyword, which is notoriously wrong about Google things all the time, has a convoluted and frankly confusing article about how Gemini got its name. I've read it several times, and I'm still not sure where they got the name Gemini from. But you know what is not mentioned on this confusing article? What Gemini was called when it was first released. Because if everyone remembers, they changed the name to Gemini after a little bit.

[A]

Oh, I remember.

[E]

What was Gemini called upon its release? I know everyone's gonna be like, oh, what? It was released, it was a chatbot. Now it's like a different. Shut up. Like, I don't care. Not that I don't care. Tiny man.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

Tiny man.

[D]

What are those tiny guys doing?

[E]

Yeah, they're. They're stepping on your computer.

[D]

They're inside my computer.

[E]

Yeah, they're working on. Anyway, we'll be right back after the break. Yeah.

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[A]

All right, welcome back to our last little segment here. Chaos of the game show was fun, but we actually do have a little bit more tech to talk about. Believe it or not, it's a tech podcast.

[C]

Yeah, we probably shouldn't talk this before the game now that I think for

[A]

those of you who are dedicated who are really making it this far, we do actually want to chat briefly about Fitbit Air, which is a new announcement technically from Google who bought Fitbit and then turned Fitbit into Google Health.

[C]

Wait, so what was Google Fit?

[A]

So Google Fit is no more. And there was the Fitbit app which they moved into this beta which was all this new stuff. It is now the Google Health app.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So the Fitbit Air is their new screenless. We saw the leaks of this. We talked about it like two or three episodes before. Their screenless fitness tracker that is supposed to compete directly with the Whoop and all the other screenless fitness trackers. But the Whoop is a big one.

[C]

It's official now.

[A]

It is. It's really interesting. I think they're coming straight for Whoop's Lunch because I think the number one thing you'd probably hear from Whoop customers about what they don't like is that it's a subscription and it's not cheap. It's like $250 to $350 a year, depending on which subscription level you get. So The Fitbit is 99 bucks, unlike the Whoop, which was 50, but that is in addition to a $9.99 per month subscription to Google Health Premium, which is actually not necessary to use the Fitbit. So you can use the Fitbit without the subscription. And it does basic stuff, calorie tracking, heartbeat, stuff like that. But for all the features, 10 bucks

[C]

a month, you just don't get the AI health coach and stuff.

[A]

Yeah, and the more detailed tracking and things like that. And workouts, automatic workout detection, all that fun stuff. So it is definitely undercutting the wound whoop price. And then for people who were thinking about getting a whoop or were thinking, I don't want to spend as much as I am on the whoop, maybe I'll move to the Google side of things. It'll work on iOS or Android, which is crazy to me, which is nice.

[C]

That is weird.

[A]

Obviously a lot of these things are locked to one side or the other. Pixel Watch is only going to work on Android. Apple Watch is only going to work on Apple side of the fence. But these fitness trackers, working with both is nice and it's got some nice features. So it's going to have a seven day battery life, roughly. You saw the different colors. There's a Steph Curry special edition, but there's also a black one. You can charge it for five minutes to get one day of battery life.

[C]

Clutch.

[A]

It has a regular charger. It doesn't have like that. The Whoop charger.

[C]

No, it has like a charger. Well, it has a proprietary charger.

[A]

It has a proprietary charger.

[C]

The Whoop charger has like a little puck that you can like slide onto the whoop itself.

[A]

That is sick.

[C]

It's really cool.

[A]

I like that a lot.

[C]

I will say, when I was using it for a bit, I would slide it onto the whoop and then just like go about my day. That thing slaps into everything. Every corner you turn around, you're hitting

[A]

that thing, but as soon as it's done, you take it off and it's right back.

[C]

Yeah, super dope that you don't even have to take it off to charge it. Yeah, really clever.

[A]

So 50 meters of water resistance. It should have a haptic alarm. There's like a bunch of features you would expect in the Fitbit Air.

[C]

No Notifications for Andrew though.

[A]

No notifications, sorry. Obviously no screen, no time. But yeah, as far as competing directly with the Whoop, it feels like this is just like, hey, do the same thing. That Whoop does. Give all the same information, but make it cheaper.

[C]

I'm really excited for this because I've been using the Pixel Watch 3 for a bit and I was paying for the Fitbit Premium and I had the whole AI beta coach thing this whole time and I really liked it, but it required me to wear the Pixel Watch. And it's not that I don't like wearing the Pixel Watch, it's just that I also like wearing regular watches. So whenever I would wear a different watch, I all of a sudden wouldn't get my steps, I wouldn't get my sleep tracking, I wouldn't get all these things. And it's like, it's not a big deal. Who cares? Whatever, it's not the end of the world. But it's just like a nice to thing. And Fitbit to me was always that kind of product where you just put it on. Like when it first came out, it was just like a small little thing that you put in a strap, a band. You can swap out the bands just like this one. And it was like one of the first ones to do that and just give you like basic tracking stuff. And that's all I've wanted for so long. So I'm very glad that they're doing this. I'm just very confused that they're killing the Fitbit brand, which makes no sense to me.

[A]

Like the Google thing to do.

[C]

Yeah, that's fair.

[A]

Sort of.

[C]

But Fitbit is like, it has such good brand recognition. Like, oh, it's the Fitbit, you know, like now they're turning it into Google Health, which has like a whole different set of implications.

[A]

And the product is still a Fitbit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you're still buying a Fitbit, but

[C]

then you have to attach it to Google Health.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Not the Fitbit app. Like if I'm on an iPhone and I go to Best Buy and I buy a Fitbit now I need to download a Google Health app, which hits different.

[D]

Yeah. It's surprising as like a legacy brand that they would want to rename after how many years they have been Fitbit. Because like, like, like you said, I don't think, you know, a boomer's gonna be like, what? Google's tracking my stuff. Even though Google's owned them for years and they know what a Fitbit is, but they don't know what Google Health is or like, you know, all these other things, it feels like a big, unnecessary step. Maybe. But if they're trying to consolidate the brand as a whole for all their

[C]

health stuff, I mean, I get why they're doing it. It's just I feel like Fitbit has such good brand cache.

[D]

It does.

[A]

Yeah. I think the one thing. So Whoop's obviously already very popular and has been for a long time. And I think the biggest advantage I actually see between them now that. But I plan on testing them both at the same time, side by side and really investigating and digging deep. You're like our little lab rat. Yeah, Honestly, I'm just gonna wear them both. It's gonna be horrible. But the thing that Whoop has going for it is there's a ton of accessories for it that aren't available at least out the gate right now with the Fitbit Air. I'm sure in two seconds on Amazon, there'll be a ton of third party ones.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

But like, when you go to buy a Whoop, there's like, oh, you want a Whoop? Do you also want a chest strap? Do you also want like 1000 extra bands? And also we have underwear that you could put the Whoop in. Like, they have a ton of stuff. And the Fitbit Air, there's not even a chest strap or an armband. It's just the normal bands on your wrist yet. So that's what I'm noticing. But I'm gonna test them. I'll have them side by side. So I'll literally ab test exactly how long the battery life is. I'm gonna do the same workouts with both of them. I think it'll be really interesting. I also think they'll be very similar.

[C]

Whoop is really good at the activity auto detection. So I'm curious.

[A]

That's what I like to hear.

[C]

Is really good too.

[A]

It's surprising. Well, the Apple Watch that I've been wearing for a long time is not good at that. That it does it sometimes. Like if my GPS location is moving for a while and I'm outside, then it'll be like, oh, are you doing an outdoor walk? But I could start biking. I could start playing Ultimate. I could start practice. I could start running. And it doesn't really usually auto start. So I'm curious to see how well these will like auto detect and then auto measure and then tag them accurately. We'll see.

[C]

Whoop to my memory, because I haven't used it in like a year or two. I think Maybe like a year. But it doesn't detect it as you're doing it. Like, you have to go through the activity and then afterwards it'll look back on your data and be like, oh, there was elevated heart rate here. And according to their phone, they were outside, so maybe they're doing a run and then it'll like tag it as a run.

[A]

Right, Exactly.

[C]

That kind of thing.

[A]

And then if it tags it wrong, you can adjust it.

[C]

Yeah, but I do. Like on the Apple watch and on, like the Pixel watch, if I'm doing something, it'll just be like, it looks like you're walking. Do you want to start a workout? Like, that's pretty cool.

[A]

The thing on the watches is when you start a workout, then it's doing this way, way more granular measuring. It's doing way more sampling and way more frequent measuring of heart rate and things like that. Which is why I start the workout manually every time. Cause I want to get that data. So I'm curious, like, if I go start a practice or if I go start a hiit workout and then my heart rate drops between sets, is it going to go, oh, don't have to measure anymore.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

Not really sure how it's going to go.

[C]

But you said both.

[A]

I'm going to. So my plan. Tell me if you like this plan or if this is dumb. I'm going to keep the Apple Watch on my right wrist.

[C]

I don't like it.

[A]

I'm gonna have the Fitbit Air and the Whoop on my left wrist.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And then I'm gonna do all my workouts wearing all three. So I have a control. Cause I know what numbers I usually get out of the Apple Watch. But I'll do the workouts, I'll do the practices, and then I'll get both of the readings from the Whoop and the Fitbit Air and compare them.

[C]

Can we get you like a chest strap? How do you feel about being chest strapped up?

[A]

I don't mind that, but the chest strap for the Whoop is probably gonna measure differently from the arm strap, the armband for. For the Fitbit. So that's why I'm keeping them both on. Okay.

[C]

Yeah, that makes sense.

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You.

[D]

Yeah, you can do that.

[C]

You have fun.

[D]

All three.

[A]

You sound thrilled for me.

[D]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, I. I mean, it's the best way to probably test it. Would I approach you wearing all three? I might not.

[A]

No. I'll be. I'll be repelling people from me for the three weeks that I Need to test them. But yeah, hopefully the video's worth it.

[C]

Mariah, which one are you getting? Which color? Probably.

[D]

I mean, I got Pixel Watch already,

[C]

so you're not going to get a Fitbit. You're good.

[D]

I think I'm good. I do enjoy a low barrier to entry. I think a low price point is good. And I don't necessarily need the screen. It is interesting that it does only save the data for 30 days. Is that pretty standard for both of these?

[C]

Well, I think that saves it on the device for 30 days. So if you like forget your phone or your phone breaks or something, it'll still track for 30 days and then it'll transfer over.

[D]

Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna buy one.

[A]

You know what's nice about you have a Pixel Watch.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what's nice about the Fitbit Air is that also talks to Google Health and so you can hot swap between them and they will just pick up where the other left off. So if you don't wanna wear the Pixel Watch while sleeping, the Fitbit Air can be your sleep tracker. And then you swap back to the watch during the daytime and it'll sort of just keep all the data in line.

[C]

You don't sound sold.

[A]

It's kinda cool.

[D]

I just don't think I need to track every moment of my existence. Have that data wrong. Because I'm not trying to optimize. But I do appreciate the people that want to optimize.

[A]

I need the data.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I need to know how many steps I've taken in my lifetime.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It's very important to me.

[D]

Gotta hit that high score.

[A]

Yeah. Well, there it is. I mean. Yeah. Stay tuned for the video. Obviously it's in the works, which means I'll be getting my hands on both soon. So. Tbd. But. Yeah. I'm just glad I got the points in our little game that we played. Speaking of points though, my turn.

[C]

My turn to get points.

[A]

Time for the actual trivia questions.

[C]

Here we go, Ellis.

[D]

All the questions.

[E]

All right, everybody. Nobody asked except for me. How many Google products and services have the letters B O O K next to each?

[C]

And this is closest without going over

[E]

Price is right rules.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Have ever existed.

[C]

Well, there's. There's Facebook, there's the books. Palma.

[D]

But this is Google specific products.

[C]

There's Barnes and Nobles, MacBook Pro. MacBook Pro.

[E]

All right, who would like to go for first?

[A]

I'll go because I can explain my silly little chart here.

[E]

All right, what do we got?

[A]

So my number is Six.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

I don't actually know the name of six, but I figure there's Chromebook, Pixel, there's regular Chromebooks, there's Google Books, there's

[E]

Google Book, that's four.

[A]

And then there's probably some sort of like a book finder service that they had. And then there's probably like a bookings service that they also had.

[E]

If there was a booking service that it wasn't, it didn't have the word book in it. And Google Books was the book finding service. But I will say six is under the number I found.

[A]

Oh, God. Wow.

[E]

So you are technically still in contention.

[C]

Okay, I had five, so I'm out.

[E]

And you don't care to list any of them?

[C]

No.

[E]

Okay. Mariah, what did you put? If it's seven or eight or nine, you win.

[D]

Well, I'm going to make David so proud. I picked just a really round number. Lucky 13.

[A]

Nice.

[E]

Unfortunately, that is over.

[D]

Oh, really?

[E]

That is over because I just accidentally spoiled the answer. The answer is nine. I found nine. Google products and services. They are.

[A]

Are you ready for times like these? I actually made. I got a point.

[E]

The Chromebook. Yeah, yeah, the Google Book.

[C]

Of course. Google Books, yep.

[E]

Google Notebook, which was the precursor to Google Key.

[C]

Notebook.

[E]

No, no, no. Yeah, Then, then Notebook Outline. Okay, so Google Notebook and Notebook LLM are two things, then the Chromebook. Pixel. The Pixelbook. The Pixelbook. Go.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

And Google Bookmarks. Congratulations.

[A]

Wow. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[C]

Sorry, Andrew.

[E]

Marques, this is a big day.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Because with that point, you have officially passed Andrew, that is Andrew, is now carrying the one like he has for years at 24 points. Marquez is smack dab in the middle of 25 and David is still in first place with a whopping 28 points.

[C]

All right, this is our chance. I'm going to tie it again for you, Andrew.

[E]

Before Gemini was called Gemini, it was called what? Which is a little silly because it was only called this a handful of years ago. But maybe we forgot. Maybe we forgot.

[A]

And I think it was only called this for like months, eight months or something. Yeah.

[E]

And I don't know why they changed it.

[C]

Because branding.

[A]

They just thought of a better name. They're like, time to kill another thing.

[C]

Did they think of a better name, though? I don't know that to be true.

[E]

Yeah, I don't know.

[C]

I mean, this was a pretty poor name. If it's the one I'm thinking of,

[E]

I thought it was a great name.

[A]

Well, I kind of like this.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

All right, Adam, since you Think it's such a poor name.

[C]

Why don't you read the first terrible branding name? Not a name. I went with Google Bard.

[E]

Google Bard.

[A]

Oh, that's correct.

[D]

I knew that.

[E]

Marques, what did you put?

[A]

I want to see what Mariah put. I put Bard.

[E]

Bard is correct.

[D]

Nice.

[A]

Thank you, Mariah.

[E]

You also put Bard.

[D]

In hindsight, I did actually know that information, but I was along the astrological sign, so I put. What is Zodiac Killer?

[E]

Whoa, you spelled Zodiac Village.

[D]

Oh, it's the thought. It's the thought. Audio listeners don't know the difference.

[A]

When Google. When Google eventually kills Gemini, at some point they can call themselves the Zodiac Killers.

[C]

Zodiac Killers. There we go.

[D]

It's available.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, with that, thank you listeners for sticking with us throughout this whole ordeal. If you're still here, comment. I don't know. What should they comment, Marques?

[A]

Pancake mix.

[C]

Pancake mix. There you go.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Bisquick.

[A]

If you made. If you made it this far. Comment. Comment. Pancake mix. Just. Just the Bisquick and the.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And the egg and the milk and then the whisk.

[C]

Wait, Mario, how do you say egg?

[E]

Nesquik. The same thing.

[A]

Throw in the oven. 350 egg.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

Egg is crazy. Egg is a Y. G is crazy. Egg.

[E]

How do you guys say it?

[C]

Egg.

[E]

And I.

[D]

Give me some. Give me an egg for that. Pancake mix.

[E]

They sound similar enough to me.

[A]

I'll let the commenters decide. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening and thanks of course, for subscribing. The Waveform podcast is rocketing towards a million subscribers. I believe it.

[D]

Yeah, you guys should.

[C]

Slow growth, baby. That's what counts.

[A]

It's organic, but it's real. It's very real. Because you got to the end. You commented about the pancake mix. You can subscribe.

[C]

Tell a friend. Tell a friend about pancake mix.

[A]

Yeah, tell a friend. All right, catch you guys very soon in the next regularly scheduled episode. Peace.

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[C]

Sil. Bingo. What was that?

[E]

That's me doing a goose impression.

[C]

Oh.

[D]

So, Adam, is there a way that I won't have your this?

[C]

No. You are now officially logged into my Gmail.

[D]

I feel like I shouldn't have that.

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