The Next iPhone Will Be…Orange?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: "The Next iPhone Will Be…Orange?"

Date: August 1, 2025
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Ellis
Podcast Network: Vox Media

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Waveform crew dives into a whirlwind of recent tech rumors and first-hand experiences. The team "speed runs" through hot topics: new iPhone 17 leaks hinting at a bold orange color and design changes, hands-on tests with Tesla Robo Taxis and Xiaomi’s SU7 EV in the US, thoughts on the surprising return of Pebble watches, and even more on MagSafe and Qi2 coming to the next Pixel 10. They also debate the utility of humanoid robots, discuss the state of Wordle, and celebrate quirky new tech design concepts. As usual, their mix of expertise, humor, and camaraderie creates a jam-packed, listener-friendly tech rundown.

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Major Topics & Key Discussions

1. Banter & Audience Encounters

• The crew shares lively stories of bumping into fans and each other in unexpected places ("Is that Ellis? ...I look up and it's Marques and Jono at the airport." — 03:42).
• Listener recognition stories underline their reach and community—Marques notes being called “that car guy,” and Ellis jokes about being famous for panoramas.

2. Wordle Woes: The Great Five-Letter Word Shortage

[05:03–11:35]

• The frustration with increasingly obscure Wordle solutions is palpable.

  • Words like "tizzy," "assay," and "foist" stump even the most seasoned players.
  • Strategies are discussed—e.g., never using words ending in ‘s’ since those are not chosen.
  • Quote:

    "I'm starting to think they're at the actual bottom of the barrel."
    — Marques, 05:39

• The crew theorizes about what happens when Wordle's list runs out and pitches creative new versions ("Wordle 4, Wordle 6...").

3. Tesla Robo Taxi: Hands-On in Austin

[11:37–17:58]

• Marques shares his first-ever experience with Tesla Robo Taxis, comparing it to Waymo.
  • Highlight: Marques loses his iPhone in the robo taxi, tracks it via "Find My," and narrates a wild chase around Austin until it's recovered at a service center.
  • They debate the implications of truly driverless taxis—what happens when there's no driver to return your lost stuff?
  • Quote:

    "My iPhone with the RoboTaxi app is sitting in the robo taxi in the backseat as it's driving away around Austin, Texas, somewhere. First reaction is definitely, oh, God, I'm never gonna see that again."
    — Marques, 13:14

4. Xiaomi SU7: A Smartphone Company’s Stab at Cars

[19:51–27:04]

• Ellis test drives the imported Xiaomi SU7, details its modularity, and equates it to “an Android phone on wheels.”

  • Modular add-ons: air freshener, headrest speakers, swappable controllers, wireless Mi Pad mount, and a fridge in the backseat.
  • The version tested ("Max") starts at ~$41k—remarkably affordable for its tech/feature set.
  • Quote:

    "To me, it felt a lot like a Model S, but nicer because it had...a lot of strange features."
    — Ellis, 26:10

• They compare it to US EV options, lamenting tariffs and mapping limitations for bringing such cars to the states.

5. Cadillac Celestiq: A $340,000 Custom EV

[27:12–29:52]

• Marques recounts reviewing Cadillac's ultra-luxury, handmade, ultra-customizable EV.
  • Everything is extreme—saturated colors, bespoke interior, four-zone glass roof.
  • David raises concerns: Is it wise to make ultra-luxury EVs with potentially limited battery life?
  • Quote:

    "It kind of looked photoshopped. It looked like I took a picture...and just turned the saturation slider to blue."
    — Marques, 28:14

6. Humanoid Robots: Hype vs. Utility

[30:27–36:17]

• A viral video shows Figure Robot's F02 doing laundry, reigniting the debate: Should robots be humanoid, or should each task have its own specialized robot?
  • Marques leans toward specialized solutions: “Instead of putting the human-shaped robot in the car to drive it, a far more efficient solution...is that the car is the robot.”
  • Ellis voices concerns about anthropomorphic robots and their societal impacts.
  • Quote:

    “I don't really want humanoid things walking around with us all the time because I would rather humans stick to the humanoid shape and that the robots stick to the robot shape…”
    — Ellis, 35:09

7. iPhone 17 Pro Leaks: Orange is the New Black

[39:22–46:49]

• Leaked dummy models reveal a bold new orange color for the Pro line—unprecedented for a flagship iPhone.
  • New “camera bar” design, shuffled colors (black, white, dark blue, orange for Pro), and evidence for incoming iPhone 17 Air.
  • Speculation and excitement for more colorful, visually distinct phones.
  • Quote:

    "If this is the actual lineup...it's one of the more exciting ones Apple has had in a long time."
    — Alice, 44:34

8. MagSafe / Qi2 and Pixel 10

[47:56–52:54]

• Possible integration of Qi2 wireless charging (with MagSafe-style magnets) in the upcoming Pixel 10—a major win for Android users who want MagSafe accessories without bulky cases.
  • Leak evidence from Evan Blass suggests Google will finally build magnets into its phone bodies, not just MagSafe-like cases.
  • Quote:

    “Now there’s a very, very, very strong chance that the Pixel is going to have official Qi2...effectively confirms that it has the magnets built inside the phone because the charger is, like, stuck directly to the phone.”
    — Ellis, 51:15

9. Pebble Watch is Back!

[61:19–66:24]

• OG Pebble creator Eric Migicovsky regains the Pebble trademark (and gets Google's blessing!)—the beloved minimal e-paper smartwatch is officially returning under its classic name, not "Core."

  • Surprising: Google open-sourced the hardware, letting Migicovsky relaunch.
  • Quote:

    "All of the repo marketplace for all the original Pebble watch faces and apps...is still up. And these new Pebbles...it all still works."
    — David, 64:02

• The crew celebrates Pebble’s simplicity, vast back-catalog of apps, and a refreshing alternative to feature-bloated modern watches.

10. Notable Quick Bits & Concepts

• YouTube Jump Ahead: Coming to TVs—auto-skipping to key video segments.
• Jordan (YouTuber): Praised for clever videos blending tech and music (“I saved a PNG to a bird”).
• Design: Pixel Over-Ear Headphone Concept: Stunning Behance mockup gets widespread approval.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I'm starting to think they're at the actual bottom of the barrel.” — Marques, on Wordle’s recent difficulty [05:39]
• Story of losing (and tracking) an iPhone inside a robo taxi — Marques [13:14–16:44]
• “To me, it felt a lot like a Model S, but nicer...” — Ellis, on Xiaomi SU7 [26:10]
• "It kind of looked photoshopped..." — Marques, on Cadillac Celestiq's blue interior [28:14]
• "Instead of putting the human-shaped robot in the car to drive it, a far more efficient solution...is that the car is the robot." — Marques [33:38]
• "I don't really want humanoid things walking around with us all the time..." — Ellis [35:09]
• "If this is the actual lineup...it's one of the more exciting ones Apple has had in a long time." — Alice, about iPhone 17 leaks [44:34]
• "Now there’s a very, very, very strong chance that the Pixel is going to have official Qi2..." — Ellis [51:15]
• "All of the repo marketplace for all the original Pebble watch faces and apps...is still up." — David [64:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Banter, Recognition Stories | 01:10–04:44 | | Wordle Frustrations | 05:03–11:35 | | Tesla Robo Taxi Adventure in Austin | 11:37–17:58 | | Lost Item Protocol in Robo vs. Human-driven Cars | 16:04–18:00 | | Xiaomi SU7 Car Review | 19:51–27:04 | | Cadillac Celestiq Ultra-Luxury EV | 27:12–29:52 | | Human-Shaped Robot vs. Task-Specific Robots | 30:27–36:17 | | iPhone 17 Pro Dummy Leaks (Orange!) | 39:22–46:49 | | Qi2 Wireless Charging in Pixel 10 | 47:56–52:54 | | Pebble Watch Relaunch | 61:19–66:24 | | Notable Quick Hits (YouTube Jump, DSP Jokes, etc) | 67:00–70:29 |

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Closing Notes

• Several segments feature the fun, competitive trivia game and listener Q&A, culminating in a preview of what’s coming: new Pixel and iPhone launches, more deep-dive reviews, and two episodes without Marques due to his Ultimate Frisbee world championship trip.
• Closing Quote:

  “Thank you again for watching and for listening and for tuning in this week and subscribing...and if you did subscribe, that means we'll see you next week.” — Marques, 75:31

Transcript

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[Andrew]

There's this guy who who referenced the old mythbusters where, like, what gets you more wet? Walking or running in the rain? And apparently they re they made a new episode redacting that statement and saying it was false. But no one saw that one. And everyone still thinks walking in the rain damn gets you less wet. Which people out here just walking feels really obvious.

[David]

But I'm sorry, I just can't imagine walking through a rainstorm clenching your teeth being like, this is better.

[Ellis]

This must be better.

[Andrew]

There's generations of people doing that because of that mythbusters episode.

[Marques Brownlee]

That person running, he's going to get so much wetter than me. Idiot. Yo. What is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[Andrew]

I'm Andrew.

[Ellis]

And I'm David.

[Marques Brownlee]

This week.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's actually a lot to talk about this week, but we can kind of like, speed run through it. Maybe. Hopefully we'll see.

[Andrew]

Maybe.

[Marques Brownlee]

I tested the Tesla Robo taxis finally. There's also a slew of iPhone17 leaks. There's a bunch of new other gadgets we want to talk about and a couple Google things to throw in there. It's going to be a good time.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

But first.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you.

[Andrew]

But first. I'm doing the but first.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Oh, where Adam and I are doing it. We have a story.

[Ellis]

But first.

[Marques Brownlee]

But first oh, wait.

[Andrew]

On Tuesday, a bunch of people from the office went to this pizza place called Raza in Jersey City, which is like, everyone's apparently obsessed with it because it says like, the best pizza in New York is actually in New Jersey.

[Ellis]

I tried to go there one time without a reservation and there, there was like, there were spots of it in the bar and I was like, can I sit at the bar? And they were like, that's a three hour wait.

[Andrew]

It's.

[Ellis]

What the heck?

[Marques Brownlee]

Three hour. That's a different meal time.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it was like, that's breakfast, man. That's breakfast.

[Andrew]

We made the reservation a few months ago, I think.

[Ellis]

Oh, wow. Really?

[Andrew]

It was very good. Yeah. Bunch of us went, it was fun. But as we leave, we're like, Adam and I are getting ready to go back to our car and this guy bumps into me and is like, Andrew. I was like, hey, what's up?

[Ellis]

He's like, I'm your long lost cousin.

[Andrew]

No, he's like, I'm listening to waveform right now and pulls his phone out and shows me mid episode.

[Alice]

He was up to trivia.

[Andrew]

Yeah. He's like, I'm at trivia right now. And I was like. He's like, can I take a picture? I was like, yeah, do you want Adam? And he's like, what? And Adam, like comes out of the group and then we took a picture. It was awesome. Shout out. Yeah, it was pretty cool. He made sure you wanted to know if you were there. I said, I'm sorry. Marquez hates pizza. So he's nice in a different city.

[David]

And he asked about me too. Right?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's funny because I did run into Ellis randomly.

[Andrew]

That also is funny. Oh yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

While we were shooting in LA at.

[David]

Midnight at lax, I'm like getting on a red eye flight. Like, it's like, like, okay, let's get ready to go to sleep on the plane. I was here. Is that Ellis? And I look up and it's Marques and Jono. And we've never run into each other outside of work before. Yeah, like randomly. I go all over the country with you. But yeah, that was really weird.

[Alice]

That's so funny.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's not the first time I've run into one of you guys in the airport.

[Andrew]

Really?

[Marques Brownlee]

Did I run into you at the airport? No, I ran into Brandon at Newark Airport. Oh yeah, At Terminal A. I was. It was the other way around. He got off a flight. I was going in to get on flight. Small world. Also in that airport, a woman recognized me as that car guy.

[Ellis]

Ooh oh.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which is interesting.

[Alice]

Was that the first time that's ever happened?

[Marques Brownlee]

Second time. Second time it's ever. Another person recently was like, you do the automotive content? And I was like, oh, very good. So that was cool.

[Ellis]

I feel that way. There was a guy in my neighborhood who stopped me, and he's like, aren't you the guy that does the panoramas? And I was like, I do like being recognized for that.

[Andrew]

That is.

[Marques Brownlee]

So if you ever see us in person, definitely ask me about the car videos and ask David about the panoramas.

[Andrew]

And just ask about Ellis at all.

[Ellis]

Yeah. So he doesn't feel bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. I. I do have a bit of a rant, though. Okay. Do any of you guys still play wordle every day?

[Ellis]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes. You play?

[Ellis]

Yeah, I played this, like, once. It gives me too much anxiety. I don't. I don't like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you said say that before.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it's too anxious. Inducing.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, we. We still have a wordle channel in Slack, and we still have a couple people playing every day. But we interviewed the creator of wordle many years ago, Josh Wardle. And part of what we discovered in all of our research about wordle is there is just a database, just a bin of all of the words that are five letters long that they will go through before they repeat. And they kind of handed that off to the New York Times. Now there's an editor that sort of picks the word of the day or whatever, but they haven't repeated any words since they started wordle. And in these last few days, I think they've gotten to the bottom of the barrel words they didn't want to use because there have been so many weird, bad, annoying to guess words in the past two weeks that I'm starting to think they're at the actual bottom of the barrel.

[Andrew]

We're scraping the barrel at this point, for sure. I feel like it's been like the last month or so. You normally go in being like, these are the letters I want to knock out to see if their ones to use. The amount of two guesses with all grays that I've had lately is wild. There's so many double letters because, like, guessing the same letter twice in one word is a bad strategy because you want to knock out as many words as possible.

[Marques Brownlee]

We recently had tizzy. Tizzy as one of the words.

[David]

That's a good one.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's not double Z.

[Ellis]

Who?

[Andrew]

Double Z in dizzy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Another one. I don't even know how to say it. Assay. Assay. Yesterday was assay. A, S, S, a Y. Two double letters. I don't know. I didn't even Google it. I finished the puzzle and I threw my phone across. Just kidding. I didn't do that. But why is that one?

[Ellis]

I did a couple of weeks, see people just tweeting like, what the actual heck? Yes. And I was like, what? And then I found out they were talking about wordle.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, wordle hasn't been trending on my. On my Twitter. I still call it Twitter in a long time. And these last couple weeks, it has been trending on Twitter.

[Andrew]

It's the most I've ever just, like, put in letters of a word that I'm not even sure is a word and hit just guessing and just guess. And that's how I got a say. Or.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know what essay.

[Andrew]

We looked it up last night or this morning.

[David]

I think it's. It's the test you do to determine the metal or. Yeah, the purity of an or. I. I'm looking at this list, guys. I don't know. This sounds like a U problem.

[Andrew]

What's really easy when you look at it, but when you look at it through the. The scope of like, okay, good wordle strategy. This is hard. Which. Maybe that's the fun part, but I wish they all weren't in the last month. I feel like we're just at the hard club.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Is it a U problem? Because there's no U in the word that they're releasing the use.

[Andrew]

There's only one U word in here that I wrote down. Undid.

[Ellis]

Undid.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

These are all you wrote down? A bunch of words from wordle from the past month.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Savvy.

[Ellis]

That's fine.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sav.

[Ellis]

Yeah, that's a normal word.

[Andrew]

But guessing that is really hard.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is a normal word, but it's like that. You're never going to get that.

[Andrew]

Two V's and a. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Foist.

[Ellis]

What does that mean?

[Andrew]

I don't know what foist is.

[Marques Brownlee]

You don't know what foist?

[Ellis]

No, to foist.

[David]

To foist is to force. No, it's to force. I mean, I think it literally means pick up, but in modern English, it's only figurative, and it means to force upon someone. So, like, for example, you would say, I am dismayed that Sam Altman foists.

[Marques Brownlee]

His virtues upon American society, which makes perfect sense. I've just never ever heard anyone say that before.

[Andrew]

I think I got this.

[David]

Wait, you don't know the word Gopher with an F. Gopher.

[Andrew]

G o F E R. So I know animal.

[Marques Brownlee]

G o P H e r. I don't know what G o f e r is.

[David]

I forget if it's a verb or a noun. Go for gold. Someone who goes and retrieves something as like an errand person. Like, that is their. That is their title and their duty is to go and retrieve items.

[Marques Brownlee]

Never heard that.

[Andrew]

Go for coffee.

[Ellis]

Do you want to go for coffee?

[David]

I'm not going to like nervy.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's baller. B a L E r. What is that?

[David]

That might be bailor.

[Ellis]

That's balor.

[David]

And that might be someone who bails.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's B I l, though.

[David]

No, no, that's someone who bails. Like, I'm canceling. This is someone who bails hay. Like. Like takes bundles of straw and produces.

[Marques Brownlee]

I didn't know that.

[David]

Let me confirm that.

[Ellis]

A machine for making paper as a baler.

[Andrew]

Foist was hard because I. I don't think I got it because I had like joist, hoist, all of moist.

[Alice]

All of it's harder for me is when it ends in such a common.

[Marques Brownlee]

Way and then just guessing one guess all of the normal words that end in oist, and then it goes, ah, Just kidding. It was F. Like. No, that's not.

[David]

Foist is a good word.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but you'd never guess that before moist, hoist, joist, Any of the other normal.

[Ellis]

Okay, but other ones.

[David]

I didn't guess it before joist because I'm not.

[Alice]

I'm not.

[Ellis]

Haunt, quake. Those are pretty normal. Oh.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, this is the. This is the wordle podcast.

[Alice]

Sorry, if you're not playing word, you're missing out, man.

[Andrew]

It probably means the game is really good that they're hard like this, but like, yeah, our slack has been extremely angry the last month.

[Ellis]

I literally guess once and then it's all gray and then I have a panic attack.

[Alice]

David, you played balatro. So much more stressful now.

[Ellis]

Blacho is so, so calming.

[David]

The one of these that I will. I will have issue with as somebody doesn't play wordle. Atria. That's stupid.

[Andrew]

Yeah, atrio.

[Ellis]

Atria is like.

[David]

Atria is the singular or the plural verb of atrium, like the center of a.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's actually not so bad for me because the one thing about wordle is there are never any plurals that end in s. So there's no four letter. There's no F, a, N. Like what.

[Ellis]

Is a five letter?

[Alice]

Plans.

[Marques Brownlee]

Plans. They'll never say P, L, A, N, S. That will never be A wordle word.

[Ellis]

Oh. So there's no plurals, there's no plurals.

[Marques Brownlee]

That end in s, but there are words like atria that are plural but that don't end in s. So part of your world strategy is probably to never use the word s or the letter S at the end, but you can still guess plurals.

[Andrew]

So what do you think happens when we run out of five letter words?

[Alice]

You know, like they start in bitcoin. It's like the halving every couple years. That's what's going to happen with words.

[Marques Brownlee]

They should make an announcement so that people can start like guessing old words again.

[Ellis]

You know what they should do when they do that? They should. They should announce wordle. Like that has a four letter word version and a six word, I think.

[Andrew]

And you associate how many guesses you get with how many letters are in the words?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes.

[Andrew]

So either wordle, four guesses for four words or six marks for six letters. I think.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting.

[Andrew]

Would be fun.

[Marques Brownlee]

We'll see what they do.

[Alice]

I think that would be way too.

[Andrew]

Difficult, but you get a whole extra guess.

[Alice]

When we spoke with Josh Wardle, he said that he tested out like six letter words and there's just so many of them. He was like, he picked five for that specific reason.

[Andrew]

There's seven years of five letter words. I think so.

[Ellis]

True.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, well, we'll find out. We'll find out when we get there. Because last word will be like zip, Z. Some crazy word. We'll be like, all right, that was fun.

[Andrew]

Sleeping. Zzzz.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, so this video is gonna come out later after this podcast, but I did get to test the robo taxis in air quotes. Robo taxis in Austin, Texas. It was eye opening. I have never ridden in a robo taxi before. I've also never ridden in a Waymo before. So I went to ride in both. I did them back to back. I did many of each, took a lot of notes, got a lot of footage, wrote a lot of stuff down, had some interesting experiences. The one that I'll tell here on the podcast, which may be mentioned in the video, but not really be as featured, is that I got out of a robo taxi and we started to try to hail the next one, which was a Waymo. And then I realized that I left my phone in the Robo taxi and it had driven away. And that is a different level of stressful. Now it's not as stressful as it would have been in the Robo and the Waymo because there's no one in a waymo. The nice thing is in the robo taxis, there's actually a person, which is normally not what you want, but there is a person in the robo taxi. So they found my phone, called me, and were able to call you. So basically, here's what happened. My iPhone has the beta app and the test flight app for the robo taxi app, not my Android phone.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So what happens is every time you call a robo taxi in order to verify that you're the one that's supposed to get in, the person in the passenger seat goes, hey, can I just see the robo taxi app to confirm that you're the person calling the car?

[Ellis]

You.

[Marques Brownlee]

You show it to them. They go, okay, great. And then you go along for your ride. So I always have to have that phone with me. So we get in this ride and I. I'm doing one of the many rides, capturing a lot of footage. I'm holding the cameras up, Brandon's in the passenger seat holding cameras up. And I've sort of just put the iPhone down in my lap and have started doing all the rest of the note taking and stuff on my other phone. So we eventually get out the car, close the doors, we gather all our stuff, and I realize I never picked my phone back up. So my iPhone with the Robotaxi app is sitting in the robo taxi in the backseat as it's driving away around Austin, Texas, somewhere. First reaction is definitely, oh, God, I'm never gonna see that again. But I have the find my app on my Apple watch. So I open that up and it shows me the location of my phone, and I can see it's driving, like, six blocks away, making turns, and who knows if there's somebody else in the backseat now or if it's just going to the next thing.

[Alice]

I'm just thinking, you like hauling ass running.

[Marques Brownlee]

After I saw, that's what I. It was like 95 degrees. And I thought if that. If the thing was blocks away, I would have ran, I would have chased it down. But it was like, it was like 1.2 miles away.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was like, okay, well, I can see it now. And then every time I refreshed, it would be a little further away, a little further away. And so I hit the, like, ping it button. I marked it as lost, which put my phone number on the screen, and then I pinged to play a sound. So I figure the person in the car is hearing this iPhone blaring a siren in the backseat. He's just going to reach back and see, oh, I'll just go back to where I dropped that guy off and give him his phone back. Never happens. I hit that sound button many, many times. Probably 15, 20 times. Nobody ever picks it up. But I keep following his GPS location. Brandon and I are trying to figure out, what do we do here? Do we wait for it to come back? Do we try to take another Uber to the location? I'm following it, and after a while, it stops, and it's like a mile north. And I'm like, okay, great. So I call an Uber and it's a Waymo. And follow that. Yeah, we basically. We get in the Waymo, and the Waymo starts going towards the GPS location of the robo taxi where it stopped. But then as we're on our way there, it turns around and starts going back to where we're going.

[Ellis]

And you're like, let me out.

[Marques Brownlee]

We're like, oh, God. So we. We cancel that ride. Or we have it turned back around and go back to the. Or we just cancel that ride and go back to the start. And we thought it was coming back to us, but then it went past us and then started going south. So then it went, like, a full 15 minutes south of us, and I just kept following it, and then again, I see the location stop, and it's like 15 minutes south. So I'm like, okay, we call an Uber, go to that location. As we're on our way, it starts going even more south. But we get to that spot again, and basically it gets to another spot where it stops, and then I get a phone call saying, hey, did you leave this phone in a robo taxi? It's like, finally, dude, I hit that button like, 20 times. Nobody called me, and they said, yeah. I said, that was me. That was my phone. I was like, yep, you can come to the Tesla service center at this address and pick it up at the.

[Alice]

Oh.

[Ellis]

So they went to drop it off at the service center.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I think the robo taxi automatically goes back to the service center after every so many miles. These things are doing limited miles and are, I assume, going back to service centers to just get cleaned at least. Or whatever.

[Andrew]

Or charged.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or charged. Something I noticed is every robo taxi I took had almost the same amount of battery life, which is interesting. So I went back there, the guys got my phone. Hands my phone. Great, we're all good. We resume and continue our testing. But that was terrifying. I think if it was lost in a Waymo where there is nobody in it and it's going to pick up other people.

[Ellis]

There's wayo support though, on the app.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right. That would have been easier because I still have the who app on my phone and I can just call. Wh. But in my scenario with the Robo Taxi app being on the phone that I lost in the Robo Taxi, I couldn't call the Robotaxi support.

[Ellis]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was the.

[Andrew]

That's what most people would experience though. Cuz most people don't have two phones and the phone that they called the app with is probably.

[Ellis]

Well, it's even. It would have been even worse for them because they couldn't have even like put their phone number on the.

[Andrew]

Yeah. When you do that like lost thing, I guess do you get to put what phone number is in it? So I would put like you can.

[Ellis]

Do the whole thing from your watch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I could edit the phone number and put a message on the screen.

[Alice]

Call your Android phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

I did.

[Ellis]

Yeah. I was gonna say most people wouldn't even have a phone number to call. Yeah.

[Andrew]

If you're with someone, it would be.

[Ellis]

Like if you're with someone, you could.

[Marques Brownlee]

Put an email, you could put whatever just to have them reach out once they get.

[Alice]

What if they weren't wearing an Apple watch?

[Marques Brownlee]

Then that would be tough. You would not find. You'd have to like go have like another device with Find my on it eventually.

[Andrew]

And what if this was a bunch of cyber cabs being run by some random guy who bought a lot of them and is running business?

[Marques Brownlee]

That was the concern is like in the future these are not going to have people in them. And then what happens? Like the next person who gets in is just going to see an iPhone on the seat next to them blaring.

[Andrew]

And to be fair, I guess most happens aren't that much.

[Ellis]

The Ubers.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So Ubers and taxis with a person in them, the driver can drive the car back to you. Like they can go, oh, this. I just dropped this person off and now the phone's beeping. I can just go back to where I was two minutes ago. Yeah, if they're nice.

[Ellis]

Yeah. I was in an Uber once and there was a pair of AirPods like in the backseat and I told the driver and I was like, did I think someone left these? And he's like, oh, you want them? And I was like, no. I was like, I'm going to leave these with you because they may call you my friend. Yeah, that's the I'm not stitching.

[Andrew]

Which you hope doesn't stealing someone's headphones.

[David]

I find, I guess New York City thing. I don't know. But, like, I find AirPods on the ground all the time.

[Ellis]

Like individual ones?

[David]

No, no, like, like a full pack of AirPods. So I'm curious.

[Ellis]

When you.

[David]

When you find AirPods, do you a. Leave them somewhere obvious? So if the person retraces their steps, they can find them, but then someone.

[Ellis]

Else can take b.

[David]

Hide them. Assuming they have find my. And we'll be able to locate them like that.

[Ellis]

I'd probably hold on to them, mark them as lost, because you can, like, tap your phone to them.

[Marques Brownlee]

I.

[Ellis]

And then you can, like, go to the.

[David]

Oh. So I've been. I've been doing the worst thing.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

What are you doing?

[Andrew]

ELS is like, scaling a building and, like, putting it behind the gutter.

[David]

I try to split the difference. Like, I'll try to, like, find a knoll in a tree where you wouldn't find them unless you're looking for them. But clearly there's, like, a. A smart person.

[Ellis]

I think there's an easier way to do it. Yeah.

[Andrew]

I'm imagining the person who finds the AirPods Ellis lost, left behind. He's like, how did I lose them in this tree knot?

[Ellis]

How did it get. That's why I leave.

[David]

That's why I leave a little note. I say, you're welcome from the AirPod fairy.

[Ellis]

Do you know when you, like, open AirPods near your phone and it says, not your AirPods. And then you can hit, like, mark as lost. Like, these are not mine.

[Andrew]

I found them.

[Ellis]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Makes sense.

[Ellis]

Yeah. All right. Well, speaking of cars.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Apparently so I had the opportunity this week to drive the Xiaomi SU7.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm very curious.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is the car that. What was it? Ferrari executives were so important. Ford executives are so impressed by that. They bought one, I think, also Ferrari now.

[Ellis]

Really?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay, this doesn't sound like a Ferrari thing.

[Ellis]

I was pretty sure. I'm pretty sure there are, like, only two or three in the US Right now. Hugo Barra, who we had on the podcast last year, I think he used to work at Xiaomi. He used to work at Google. He used to work at Meta. He's done everything around Silicon Valley. He was like, hey, I got one of these. I was able to import it. I'm holding onto it. You should drive it around and, like, check it out. So I flew San Francisco, and then I took a Caltrain down to Palo Alto, met him in the morning.

[Marques Brownlee]

You didn't take a robo taxi?

[Ellis]

Sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

We'll get there.

[Ellis]

No, I don't think they're. They're running there.

[Marques Brownlee]

They just opened in sf. They just start. This is a total derailment. They just started doing robo taxi rides in the entire Bay Area. But they're not allowed to do it without someone in the driver's seat. So it's just a guy in the driver's seat with the car on autopilot and it's a robo taxi. Anyway. Go on.

[Ellis]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Okay, so. Yeah, so. So I went down there to drive it. It is kind of. It is kind of crazy. It feels very, very similar to a Model S in like a number of ways, but it also feels like an Android phone at the same time. It's like extremely modular. So Xiaomi sells like all of these different attachments and like modular parts for it. You might remember they have a physical like switch attachment that goes underneath the giant iPad in the front.

[Marques Brownlee]

I did.

[Ellis]

They have this little bay underneath the like cup holder area that you can. It's like modular and you can swap in and out different stuff. So there's like an air freshener that will put out different scents. There's a Bluetooth speaker that charges over time, similar to on the Rivians. They have a flashlight attachment. They've got all this different stuff in the back. Oh, something's very cool. They have speakers in the headrest. So like when you're doing turn by turn navigation, it won't interrupt your music. It'll just like play right behind you.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's neat. There's a couple of cars I've tested have speakers in the headrest, but it's nice to separate that if you're using the in car navigation.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And put the instructions next to your head. Right. That's cool.

[Ellis]

It has CarPlay, which is kind of crazy because it'll, you know, it has its own kind of Xiaomi ecosystem stuff. And if you. It has like 65 watt charging, I think, in the charging pad area.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it had a lot of really cool features. Lots of different modular attachments.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

There is a headrest attachment that you can put a MI pad, like seven in or whatever, and it wirelessly charges the MI Pad and it can be used to control entertainment in the car and everything. There's a refrigerator in the back seat that's like built into the little console so you can like put drinks in it and stuff and slide it out. Yeah, it was kind of insane. And that car is pretty affordable. It's like 40k or something.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. This is the crazy thing is I didn't realize it goes all the way down to like some. Probably even cheaper than even under 40.

[Ellis]

Yeah, probably like 30 or something.

[Marques Brownlee]

SU7 Standard, SU7 Pro and SU7 Max, and then SU7 Ultra Ultra. I forgot they did those names.

[Ellis]

Yeah, the Ultra is the new one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Do you know which one? You got to test which trim it was the Max. The Max. Okay, so the max starts at 41.3.

[Ellis]

That is insane.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which is crazy.

[David]

Wait, I thought Pro, Max and Ultra were just their driver assistance modes, not the.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, the actual trim. It's a trim. The whole car. The Ultra is like the 1500 horsepower, like super crazy one.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, but that's.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a lot car for 41. Although, you know, that's obviously there's a thing about these, these EVs and there's so much talk about competition in the U.S. and like, if these cars were in the U.S. they would crush because the U.S. cars are all too expensive and don't have these features. It reminds me of lucid a tiny bit. Lucids are all expensive.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But the amount of car you get for the money is still more than the car is worth. They just have unlimited Saudi money to spend on development and like the car you get is more than the car you're paying for. And that kind of feels like similar with this.

[Ellis]

And they have a self driving system too, but it does not work in the United States. Makes sense because now the roads are mapped. So yeah, the mapping system like doesn't work and you have to basically use CarPlay or your phone. But they do have a cool. Like you can. You just tap your phone to the screen and you can mirror your phone on the giant screen too.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is what the Apple car would have been, basically.

[Ellis]

Yeah. No, it's like, it's like a Xiaomi car. If you have a Xiaomi phone, you tap your phone to it. You put your phone in the little 65 watt supercharger thing. You can use your full phone on the display while you're, you know, while you're driving. So you don't actually have to like, you know, do anything on your phone physically. Yeah. Did you have any questions about it? I was.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, so you got to drive it.

[Ellis]

Drive it? Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Does anything surprise you about the way it drove? Was it more tuned, kind of like a luxury sedan type of thing or was it sporty?

[Ellis]

So it is meant to be sporty. The problem is that they have this like lock system on it where you have to have driven like, you have to have driven like 200 miles before it unlocks, like, the faster speeds. And Hugo had not driven it that 200 miles yet. It only. It only capped out at like 65 miles an hour.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh.

[Ellis]

So it was kind of hard to even be on the freeway.

[Alice]

Does it kind of like grade you in those first 200 miles to like, deem if you're a good, safe driver? And then it unlocks, I don't think.

[Andrew]

Just pretty sure, like, DJI drones do this too, where, like, in order to go to like the sport mode on it or even like to be able to fly outside of. They like. Yeah, they geofence it in an even smaller area to like, make sure it's not too far away. Then after X amount of hours or whatever, then you can go further.

[Ellis]

This was definitely not geofence, though.

[Andrew]

No, not geofa. Yeah. But like, similar to that. We're just like gated. I've seen it just like hours is the only thing.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Working on.

[Ellis]

Yeah. So this one has a certain number of miles, but I'm trying to think.

[Marques Brownlee]

Of, like, what its closest competition would be if it was in the us And I'm. I am torn between, like, Taycan, which is a sportier thing, or like, I don't know, I guess like a Model S would be the equivalent.

[Ellis]

To me, it felt a lot like a Model S, but if the Model S was like nicer because it had. It had a lot of strange features. Like the. The chair that you're sitting in the seat. When you would go around a turn, it would like bend you. Yeah, it was like, it would like push into your side to like stop you from like, you know, rolling or whatever.

[Marques Brownlee]

Bolsters.

[Ellis]

It was pretty crazy. It had like Dolby surround. It had a very cool HUD that could be like raised or lowered. And it would like show turn by turn navigation in front of you.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's fun.

[Alice]

When are we getting those marques?

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, Xiaomi, if you're watching this, I really would love to test this car. I mean, there's other EVs that I've had similar things told to me about, which is like, dude, if this was available in the US it would crush. Yeah, the Xiaomi SU7 is one of them.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I would love to test it. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't think that car could ever be sold in the US for like 40k. But yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, importing cars, well, tariffs, blah, blah.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah, it would cost a lot more serious. At all. At all.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting.

[Ellis]

Just want to bring that up, we.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just got to test this crazy car called the Cadillac Celestique. Cadillac loves the letter Q. Yeah. Or GM loves the letter Q. But this was a $340,000 EV.

[Andrew]

How many SU7s could you buy?

[Marques Brownlee]

You could buy 10, but it at least eight. It has this insane interior, basically. When Cadillac first started making EVs, they announced the Celestiq, and I was like, they're never making that. And then they started announcing others like the Cadillac Lyric and the Cadillac Optic and the Escalade iq, and they started making those. But then they actually started making this celery stick is what I'm calling it. And each one of them is super bespoke. Basically, it's like handmade. You go choose all your colors and trims and everything. So the one that we got to test is orange. All blue on the inside. Oh, it was berry inside. All blue on the inside. And I should have taken more pictures, but it kind of looks photoshopped. It looked like I took a picture of a normal car interior and just turned everything in the saturation slider to blue.

[Andrew]

That's like what every CES concept car looks like.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's why I didn't think it was going to come out. Yeah, it's like this hyper futuristic. This is the one interior picture that I have.

[Ellis]

This is everything.

[Andrew]

It just looks like you're. If you weren't wearing a red shirt, I would have just assumed.

[Marques Brownlee]

Exactly.

[Ellis]

It's like you're at a rave.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was a good time.

[David]

I love bespoke stuff. I'm all for, like, handmade bespoke stuff. But am I the only one that feels a little weird about, like, a handmade bespoke ev? Because, you know, with the battery replacement, they just have such a shorter lifespan. And I'm. I'm not pro gas car, but, like, you know what I mean? Doesn't that sort of feel weird? Like, the idea of spending that much and putting that much effort into something that might only be on the road for, like, eight years?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. The way I see it, it's kind of just a proof of, not a proof of concept, but it's like Cadillac showing up with this is the best that we can do. And they obviously are not going to sell most of these because they're so expensive, and they will bring prices down for things like an escalator, a Lyriq. But the way Miles and I looked at this car was if you're just Cadillac and you're like, what's the actual best Electric car that we can build right now. This is their example of that. And they'll sell a few of them. And so it was cool to see that even if nobody actually has a.

[Ellis]

Four zone glass roof. So you can only tint the seat.

[Marques Brownlee]

You'Re in each corner of the roof.

[David]

I misspoke. I did not mean to imply that EVs only last eight years. That. That's crazy.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, but this is. It was not a car that you would buy with any sense or reasonable budget.

[Andrew]

It also looks like a hearse.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah, but that's what Cadillac's great at.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Cadillacs all look like hearses.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David]

Have you ever seen the Cadillac hearses? They're kind of sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

Who makes hearses?

[Ellis]

Usually Cadillac.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cadillac.

[Ellis]

Yeah, Cadillac.

[David]

A lot of hers, I think Lincoln does make.

[Ellis]

That's just their Lincolns and Cadillacs are kind of similar anyway. Yeah, they're aesthetic.

[David]

One of them has Matthew McConaughey and the other one has. Honestly, probably Matthew McConaughey too.

[Ellis]

Abraham, now that we're done talking about cars, you never thought that I would talk about a car on the podcast.

[Andrew]

Yeah. There's a first time for everything.

[Marques Brownlee]

You do the automotive content.

[Andrew]

But when.

[Ellis]

It'S a phone car. When it's a phone car, you know I'm there. Yeah. Okay. Now are you gonna rant about this laundry room?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, I do.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I had a great segue too. Cause you said this car looked like something you would see at CES as a concept car. Speaking of things that kind of seem like a CES concept, I saw this tweet on my timeline earlier today, and I opened it up.

[Ellis]

I'm opening it.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's from this guy called Brett, and he's the founder of Figure Robots Make AI Humanoid robots, I guess. And it's a video and it says, here's F02 in my home using Helix to do my laundry. And I play the video and this humanoid shaped robot bends over and picks up a bucket of laundry and holding the bucket with one hand, grabs the laundry and puts it in the washing machine with the other hand. Very impressive. These kids are watching in awe. It's a. It's a human helper in someone's home. It's crazy. He, like throws another thing in there. It handles it well. And the comments and the replies are all, you know, very intrigued and positive. And I'm, you know, this is a founder. It's a cool high tech project. This is the thing that people all been waiting to see. How many people talk about Optimus on my timeline every day. But this brought back my controversial take. Maybe when I first talked about Tesla, Optimus and the whole idea of humanoid robots that is now playing out like in real time, which is. Okay, is a human shaped robot the answer? Here we go.

[Andrew]

Or.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or should each individual thing that you are applying the robot to be its own robot?

[Ellis]

Did you watch Hasan Minaj's interview with Neil DeGrasse Tyson that he did last week?

[Marques Brownlee]

I just downloaded it to watch.

[Ellis]

They had this exact conversation.

[Andrew]

Did they?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, I'm excited then.

[Ellis]

So you're gonna get started.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm really, I am slightly, slightly away from center towards each thing should be a robot.

[Andrew]

This scenario right here, if that little laundry basket just had wheels and a catapult, it could drive itself from my room and just launch itself into this drive.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Andrew]

My biggest gripe with this is it's loading a washing machine. Not a single person who does laundry is like, oh, I don't want to do laundry, and is bad at the putting it in. It's like taking it out of the dryer and folding and putting everything away.

[Marques Brownlee]

And to be fair, at ces, I have seen, although not with my own eyes, but I have seen coverage of robot that folds laundry out of the washer. And it's not like a human shaped robot, it's just the washing machine puts it in the dryer and then the dryer takes it out and folds and sorts it. And that's a different idea of a robot in your home. That's very cool.

[Ellis]

I like that.

[Marques Brownlee]

So, yeah, I guess, you know, the argument typically with the human shaped robot is going to be, it's got this general intelligence, it can see the world, it can do a whole bunch of things, it's versatile. We've built the world around the human shape. So you could put this human shaped robot in any situation. It can flip burgers, it can serve you food, it can go drive your car, pick up the groceries, do your laundry. It can do everything for you in the world that exists today. I get that argument. I just think as far as specialized, efficient robots, instead of putting the human shaped robot in the car to drive it, a far more efficient solution to driving is that the car is the robot. If that makes sense.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it's gonna play out. I'm just, you know, I'm fascinated by this video and the replies are kind of talking about both sides of this.

[Andrew]

Can I show you what I imagined with his Kids watching right there.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Have you seen this video of this robot like malfunctioning at this trade show?

[Marques Brownlee]

I have seen that.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's been way more humanoid robots, a.

[Ellis]

Break dancing robot, and then it passes.

[Andrew]

And then it's over and legs just start spinning like circles and everyone starts backing up.

[Ellis]

I think as soon as the optimist thing started getting built, every, every other company was like, it's time to ramp up, boys.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Time to make humanoid shaped robots. Yeah, I would say I am, you know, if there's a spectrum of human shaped robots are the answer or human shaped robots are not the answer. I am like slightly on the side of the general. Robot is probably not the far term solution.

[Andrew]

My other thing is I'm so insanely skeptical of all of these because like Boston Dynamics has been doing this for so much longer than all of these places have. And their robot looks like the Hulk compared to these Hyundai. Hyundai still. Sure. That's just even more proof that they have tons of funding also. And like Atlas is gigantic and usually not doing anything as impressive as these.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. You know, the typical customer of one of these robots is not just like a person. It's typically a larger. It's a lot of money and a lot of investment to these want to be people robots.

[Ellis]

Right.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's the future that people see is everyone has one of these in their home and maybe it does your laundry for you.

[Ellis]

All right, hot take. Okay. I think that I know you're looking at me weird and I know you're scared. It's okay. It's not that. It's, it's, it's okay. I'm hyping this up too much. My hot take is that I don't really want humanoid things walking around with us all the time because I would rather humans stick to the humanoid shape and that the robots stick to the robot shape and yeah, I think both, because I see the far reaching ends of the humanoid shaped robots and that's when people are going to start putting like a girlfriends in the human robots and then people will stop talking to each other.

[Alice]

You have that right now on Twitter.

[Ellis]

Yeah, but that's not a, that's not a physical being yet.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, well, yeah, it depends on the person, I guess. You can already have a, you can already have an AI girlfriend in a little box in your pocket.

[Ellis]

Yeah, but it's not.

[Marques Brownlee]

But if it's human shaped, I don't.

[Ellis]

Want it to be human shaped. And I just know that that's the end game for that. I Just know it will actually not even the end game, the beginning game. It'll happen very quickly and I don't want that. It'll happen too soon for our society.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's probably a fair take.

[Ellis]

Thanks.

[Andrew]

Super fair take.

[Ellis]

It'll happen immediately.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, we got way more to talk about, including a new iPhone 17 Pro dummy caught in public. But before we get to that, we always take some quick breaks. So let's do that for some trivia.

[David]

Was the first one a yawn? Guys, we just talked about a laundry robot for a while. And since this game of trivia, this question we're about to do, both of these questions this episode, in fact, are not going to be for points. And the reason they're not going to be for points is because last week re recorded a season finale trivia extravaganza.

[Ellis]

Let's go.

[David]

And you, our lovely audience, will find out who won later this month. But yes, until we kick off the new season, actually, and also later this month, we've got. I guess this is coming out in August, right? Yeah, later this month we've got some other special trivia stuff for you, so get ready for that.

[Ellis]

Wait, really? Yes.

[David]

Yeah, you were not in that meeting.

[Andrew]

Oops.

[David]

We'll fill you in. You're going to be excited, trust me. And so will you at home. But David, you're going to be really excited. May I talk about a laundry robot for a while? So this is not for points. I wanted to do one of our special kind of not really tech quizzes. Not tech at all. Because laundry robot, reject modernity, embrace tradition, whatever.

[Ellis]

What?

[David]

So this robot, right, the whole the value proposition is like it does your laundry. You do other things, right? But what traditional New Orleans dish was cooked on laundry day because it was such a hands off thing to cook, you could do your laundry all day at the same time. Little flip flop.

[Ellis]

I feel like I know this one. Nice.

[Andrew]

I have a guess.

[David]

Cool.

[Ellis]

There's two that I'm jumping between.

[David]

Well, I will only accept one.

[Ellis]

Dang. Well, I think I know the one.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

[David]

Go pelts.

[Ellis]

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[Andrew]

If it was just this post, I don't think I would have put it in here. But we got this post and we got the Sony Dickinson. Sony Dixon.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Model. So let's just put it all together because there's a couple interesting things. It makes the dummies seem more believable when we see this. This guy also has security, I think.

[Ellis]

Yeah. I mean, I can barely tell that the one in public is the new one.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because it's got this case that conceals like the new camera bar thing.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which we kind of all know is coming. So at this point. Yeah, we see the new models and the dummies and they all have this camera bar which is new for the iPhone 17 lineup, allegedly. And we also have colors which are new for the iPhone 17 lineup and are also kind of interesting because. Did we talk about this last week?

[Ellis]

No, we didn't.

[Andrew]

Well, no, last week I said you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Thought this was like the regular iPhone colors.

[Andrew]

Oh, no, it's the pros no, that was the pixels.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, that was the pixels. Wait, this is the same colors though?

[Ellis]

No.

[Marques Brownlee]

The orange.

[Ellis]

No, because the pixel was right.

[Andrew]

Lemon cello. And a great lemon cello.

[Marques Brownlee]

I forgot.

[Andrew]

But I did last week say these have to be the normal pixel 10s, because we all know pro phones aren't allowed to get good colors. And here we are with an orange, like bright orange iPhone Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

And yes. So the models are showing the pro iPhones coming in black, white, blue, like a darkish blue and orange, which is new. I can't remember the Last Orange iPhones SE. Oh, XR. Yeah, it was peach. I don't think they called it peach, but that's the color it was. And then the regular iPhones, the non pros are black, white, starlight or whatever the sort of off white version is. And then a barely blue.

[Andrew]

Well, according to this, it's the 17 air is black. White starlight. Sorry, blue. And then the 17 starlight. Black, white, gold. Yeah, like that. Then like a pinkish. Pinkish, Like a light blue.

[Marques Brownlee]

So Cosmo and Wanda phones. And then is that green or blue?

[Andrew]

I'm bad at colors.

[David]

The 10R, they call it coral. Yeah, it's like orangeish, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Well, this comes after Samsung released a press release about how Z Fold 7 customers are actually buying the blue phone for once. In the Z fold press release it says while black is typically the preferred option amongst Z fold customers, Blue shadow received nearly half of all pre orders. Furthermore, Coral red exceeded expectations, making up nearly 25% of pre orders of the Flip 7. So it seems like colorful phones are making a comeback and maybe that's why these companies are actually starting to use. But also this like bright orange is kind of insane for Apple.

[Andrew]

Sweet if this is real, especially on pro have. Correct me if I'm wrong. But like the models never do a good job at getting when the pros usually have like a frosted to them. So like, is there a chance this could be a little frosted and a bit more muted than this?

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it's kind of accurate where the body is mostly frosted on the pros and then the camera visor is glossy.

[Ellis]

That's what it looks like.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then on the non pros, it could be the other way around.

[Ellis]

You know what this looks like? This looks like liquid glass. The frosted. The like the glossy camera bar kind of looks like one of those liquid.

[Andrew]

Black always kind of in that where it's basically clear and taking the color from the bottom. But since it's now twice as large.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it looks way more like it.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Also on the pros and on the air, they put the flash on the right side, so that's the reason that the camera bar is so big. Yeah. It's very interesting. I wonder if this ends up being real.

[Andrew]

I want to potentially toot my own horn because I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure I said this when we were talking about where does the air fall in the lineup? And this looks like it's replacing the 17 plus. Yeah, right. Yeah, I think I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's where I. I took it, and I think it makes the most sense here. Yeah, it's like bigger, but one less camera. So you're getting more and less at the same time.

[Ellis]

Right. Which is probably going to incentivize people to potentially buy the 17 if they.

[Marques Brownlee]

Don'T want, you know, or just go to the pro.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I think this is just, like, the part in their lineup they're the most confused about, and they're just gonna keep throwing things until it sticks. Because it was mini, then it was plus, now it's air.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

We'll see if this lasts two years also, and then gets changed into something completely different.

[Alice]

If this is the actual lineup, this leak, I think it's like one of the more exciting ones that Apple has had in a long time.

[Marques Brownlee]

Just because the colors.

[Alice]

Yeah, just the colors. Anything like the camera bumps. Like, there's actual differentiation between them.

[Andrew]

Now, this is the best iPhone thumbnail coming up where, like, the. All the pro phones are very different. The. The air is very different. The colors are like. This is. I can look at an iPhone and be like, okay, we're in this year's lineup. That's not.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Potentially the last three years.

[Ellis]

The new Pixel, like the alleged Pixel 10, looks, in my opinion, much nicer than the alleged iPhone 17 or 26. You think they're going to call it the iPhone 26?

[Andrew]

Oh, I don't think so.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, they didn't change any hardware. I guess they have.

[Ellis]

Samsung did that to align with the years on the S20.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, you're right, they did. So Apple did it with all their software at wwdc. Would they do with the hardware? I don't.

[Ellis]

I don't know.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not out of the question because they did skip all the numbers.

[Andrew]

I think they only did it with software because all this software, like, you probably have things with multiple. Like, most other Apple products don't have numbers associated with them. They're just like. Yeah, but Then just like the MacBook Pro iPad doesn't have like iPads, it's usually based on more like the chip of the software. And like that's true. Yeah. What if they.

[Alice]

I think it'll be 17 bringing the MacBook. What if they're just like iPhone 2025, like they just start putting the year in there?

[Andrew]

I guess that would be.

[Marques Brownlee]

But if it's going to launch with iOS 2026, they'll do it.

[Ellis]

Next is. I said the car thing was kind of complicated.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

And confusing.

[Marques Brownlee]

2026 iPhone coming in September 2025. Yeah, there you go. I'm also disappointed my Cosmo and Wanda phone comment didn't get more love.

[Andrew]

I still think it's blue. That's why.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wait, no, these.

[Ellis]

That's blue.

[Andrew]

Oh, whoa, wait. Picture.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is the sunny.

[Andrew]

I'm looking in our thing. You have a blue and a green. The one I'm looking at only has blue and pink. So that's why you didn't get a laugh. Cuz I was like, wow, have you ever seen Cosmo?

[Marques Brownlee]

This is the sunny Dixon.

[Andrew]

David and I were looking at the same photo, which doesn't have a green.

[Ellis]

Can we just do that? Is my blue. Your blue thing? Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So yeah, there's a pink and a green.

[Ellis]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hence my comment.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

All right. Well, I guess we'll see very soon.

[Andrew]

I have one more iPhone question. Yeah, Ellis, what's your battery percentage yet?

[David]

Someone asked me that in person while.

[Ellis]

I was in la.

[Marques Brownlee]

I thought I would have asked.

[Andrew]

We forgot last week and we actually had multiple comments asking what his battery percentage was.

[Alice]

We remembered this week, guys.

[David]

It's not too bad today. I have not charged my phone yet today. Now we're at 66%.

[Ellis]

Pretty good.

[Alice]

Why did you take it off the charger?

[David]

Took it off the charger probably like an hour ago.

[Andrew]

Still plugged in.

[David]

8:30, my three hours.

[Ellis]

It's not that bad.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Nine hour battery.

[David]

It does die so fast that I was traveling with an Anker Mag safe portable battery thing. And when I'm using the phone and MagSafe charging, the battery life just stays the same.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it's really funny. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

You should try the Ridge one, see if you get any more speed.

[David]

I should. No, I should. I should.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. All right.

[David]

So actually speaking of channel sponsor, I should try the channel sponsor, Ridge 1.

[Ellis]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Speaking of the channel sponsor Ridge 1, there is a rumor of the Pixel 10 including Qi 10 with magnets.

[Andrew]

G10.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sorry? Pixel 10. Pixel 10.

[David]

It's just like a bolt of Lightning.

[Marques Brownlee]

Across through like, oh, shit, you're 26 characters. There's rumors of the Pixel 10 having Qi 2 with the magnets built in.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Which I think would be awesome.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Because that would mean you could use MagSafe accessories. You can use any of these magnetic things that just slap onto the back of the phone without a case. Yeah, I'm a no case guy. I'll throw skin on my phone sometimes, but I don't usually have a case on my phone, so this is exciting for me.

[Andrew]

I just thought of a reason why they should be implementing G2 with magnets. Sorry. And then you can actually explain the good part of this. Every phone manufacturer should do this because the chance of people then breaking their phones and having to pay that manufacturer to fix it is far increased. Because now you don't. Because then you have the magnets in the phone and you don't have to buy a case.

[Ellis]

Oh, you mean because. Yeah, right.

[Andrew]

Why wouldn't they all have. That's Apple's ahead of its time.

[Ellis]

Well, but Apple also sells Mag Safe cases. Add magnets to the case, too.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but you only have the option to go no case with Mag Safe if the magnets are built in.

[Ellis]

Unless you get a case that has magnets in it. Like the iPhone cases.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, but then it's not a. A phone with no case because it has a case.

[Ellis]

Well, yeah, true. Sure. Yeah.

[Andrew]

It was a bet. Go on, explain the rest.

[Ellis]

Okay. Okay. Just to explain this. So, like, I don't know if it was earlier this year or late Last year, the Qi 2 standard got released, which is the. Basically, Apple donated. Donated a bunch of magnetic standards to the Wireless Power Consortium, which then implemented the T2 standard, which we've been waiting for for a very long time. I think it actually was probably last year, but effectively every phone that has Qi2 is going to have magnets in it now. Similar to MagSafe, which is very cool because MagSafe is probably one of the coolest phone innovations, most helpful phone innovations in a very long time. Then we found out that the Wireless Power consortium separated out QI2 into QI2 and QI2 ready. QI2 ready is basically saying that if you put a case on it that has the magnets in it, and I'm assuming it has a little micro. Microcontroller in it that says this is a G2 ready case, it'll, you know, charge with G2 and it'll stick to it and stuff. That made us very sad because I don't. I run caseless I don't want to have to put my phone in a case just to use MagSafe accessories. I think that's lame. And you can already do that with, like, a $3 magnet that you can find, you know, on Amazon or whatever. So we were kind of thinking, oh, no, of course, now Google's just gonna do Matt, like, Chi two ready or whatever.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

But now there's a very, very, very strong chance that the Pixel is going to have official T2. This comes from a leak from Evan Blass. He has tweeted pictures of the Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro, Pixel 10 Pro fold, alongside a new Obsidian color for the Pixel Buds Pro 2 and the Pixel Watch 4. But the most interesting thing is that one of the leaked images that he shared showed the Pixel 2 with a new Pixel Snap wireless charger attached to it, which looks very, very similar to a MagSafe puck, but with more rounded edges, basically, instead of being, like, sharp. And that effectively confirms that it has the magnets built inside the phone because the charger is, like, stuck directly to the phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So, yes, please.

[Ellis]

That's very, very exciting. We've been wanting this.

[Alice]

I would love this. I've been waiting for it for so long. I keep having to put my phone in a case that I do not want to use just because MagSafe is like that. Irreplaceable to me.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Alice]

And now with it being built into the phone.

[Ellis]

Yeah, basically, you go ahead.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, I'm a little nervous I might get let down by this Pixel. It's lining up to be such a great phone and I'm already, like, mentally going like, yeah, this is. This feels like it's probably going to be my next phone.

[Andrew]

And then I pretty much have it on pre order.

[Ellis]

Like, well, you know, I was just talking to Ellis in the car this morning about this, but they. I at first was kind of disappointed that they weren't going really flashy because it's the 10th one, and I thought, you know, they do something big like the iPhone 10 was a very different type of iPhone, very revolutionary. But considering their market share has been rising fairly significantly over the last, like, two to three years, this exact current design of Pixel, which we've had effectively since Pixel 7, where it's got the camera bar, but it's rounded.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

I think that that's very popular. And people are starting to buy the phone and their average sales have been going up and up and up.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's enough momentum that they don't want to shake it up.

[Ellis]

I think they don't want to shake it up too much. I think they just want to make it better. They want to make it, but it is kind of like jewelry. And this is why I said that I think that the Pixel 10 this year actually looks quite a bit better than the iPhone 17. If the rumors are all true. The renders are all true. Yeah. So it'd be very cool to get that.

[Alice]

If the renders are true, then the Pixel 9 looks better than this year's iPhone.

[Ellis]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Alice]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Ellis]

Yeah. But speaking of pixels, a little, very quickly, this is kind of a little quick hit. There is this Ren. There's a concept of these Pixel over ear headphones that someone made on Behance.

[Alice]

That looks so good.

[Ellis]

And they look.

[Andrew]

This is so good.

[Ellis]

They look so, so good.

[Alice]

We don't often tell you to pull over in your car if you're listening to this and, like, pull up the video and watch what we're about to talk about. But you guys need to see this. Yeah, these headphones look amazing.

[Ellis]

So someone made this concept that's supposed to compete directly with, like, AirPods Pro, but it's. Or AirPods Max. Sorry, but it is so Google in every possible way. Like, I could see this person being the lead designer at Google for headphones. They look so good. It's hard to describe them. They sort of have this telescoping band that wraps around the ear cups and it is, you know, metal. And then they have the same sort of like pixel gloss finish and color. And then they have a few buttons that are like the bright orange color to kind of like accent it.

[Andrew]

This, this is interesting in the ear cup design. It's so wild talking this much about, like, just a design. Probably isn't even going to be real, but it just looks so good. But, like, do you know how the nothing ear headphones were like a squircle and then a circle in the middle? I guess that was like an oval in the middle of it.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

This is a way cooler and, like, sleek version of that. This, like, nice matte, like, beige where the circle then just like melts bevel into. Yeah, the, like, square ear cup. And then the buttons are on the bottom of that circular, like, beveled into it. Oh, my goodness, it looks so good. I would buy these.

[Ellis]

Even has renders of it on, like, someone's head. And they look, look freaking amazing.

[Alice]

David said that he wanted to talk about this, and I was so hyped because I specifically want to beg Google to hire him and make this real.

[Ellis]

Hire this guy. Yeah.

[Andrew]

So Sid Hunt, I think is. I'm not 100% sure pronunciation. We'll put it in the show notes.

[Ellis]

But, like, these are amazing.

[Marques Brownlee]

There are some things, tiny things I would change, but I mostly like them a lot.

[Andrew]

It's got a headphone jack.

[Ellis]

You don't want the power button.

[Marques Brownlee]

So there's, I think, two things I would change now. I like power button. The chrome. The chrome arm on them would get, like, very fingerprinty. So I'd probably want that to be matte, maybe. I don't mind it. It looks really cool when it's clean. That's obviously great. The other thing is I've been using the Sony WH1000XM6S and just. Just like the touch control on the outside to go. Next song, previous song. Swiping on the side of the headphones sucks every time. Every pair of headphones that does that sucks. And it reminded me of the Surface headphones. You remember those?

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Where you had the dial, the ring. We could change volume. I kind of want a little bit more of that on these. So I see there looks like a volume rocker on these headphones. I want like a next song and a previous song without having to swipe on the side of them.

[Ellis]

It is kind of sad because Microsoft has effectively killed a lot of that product ecosystem. But during the life cycle of the Surface product ecosystem, when it was at its peak, when they had the Surface Studio and they had the Surface headphones, they. That dial was sort of a fundamental kind of object because they had the dial for the Surface Studio, which was like this wireless puck that you could use. Use for drawing and drafting and stuff. And they integrated that same design into the headphones so that it felt very cohesive.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's great.

[Ellis]

So, yeah, Google could. Google could, theoretically.

[Andrew]

Do you remember Surface Buds?

[Ellis]

Yeah. Those were the worst disc that those.

[Andrew]

Do you remember why it was that big disc and what the feature was for it? So you could swipe in PowerPoint on your ear.

[Ellis]

Oh, man.

[Marques Brownlee]

I remember reading that, like, press release.

[Andrew]

They showed us that.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

At Microsoft and we all just went, yeah, cool.

[Ellis]

Also, those were the most uncomfortable earbuds I've ever worn. They were the hardest plastic. Like, they did not mold to your ears at all. They were so hard. It was.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it's a sacrifice so bad you'd be willing to make to be able to move to the next slide.

[Ellis]

Why are you even wearing earbuds while you're talking? While you're talking to people giving a.

[Marques Brownlee]

Presentation so you can be discreet about it. Like, so if you look at the.

[Ellis]

Next slide here, every time you're just like, yeah, it was. Yeah, that was bad. They. They make clickers for that. Just so you know. Yeah.

[Andrew]

But I agree with you. I'm anti swipe on any headphones. I want a physical button because I hate just like adjusting in your ear and now the volume and the song has switched.

[Marques Brownlee]

And you know what I've settled into because all these headphones have autoplay pause and you take them off.

[Ellis]

I hate that.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, the. I've started just using it for everything when I'm. Especially when I'm on a plane. You know, you can do the like cup thing for some of them or you can take one ear back or you can like hit the button to play pause. Literally, if someone walks up to me, I just. The music stops. Whatever I was doing is gonna pause.

[Ellis]

The Sony ones, though. You can put one hand over one of the ear cups.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but when you look like somebody like this.

[Ellis]

That's true.

[Marques Brownlee]

I just don't like that. It looks so rude.

[Andrew]

Hey, David.

[Ellis]

I feel like it just looks weird.

[Andrew]

And then mid conversation, your hand just like comes off. You start listening to music again.

[Ellis]

It is a pretty obvious.

[Marques Brownlee]

Your eyes.

[Ellis]

Yeah. I feel like I intuitively understand what's happening when you do that, though.

[Alice]

No, you get it. It just makes you look like a jerk because you're like, you're not important enough for me to take off my headphones.

[Ellis]

I also haven't worn over your headphones, I think a really long time.

[Andrew]

But I Google ones.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right. I've just been on so many flights lately that I've just gotten so fed up and I've just taken them off every time.

[Ellis]

That's just really. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Speaking of fed up, the Fediverse corner this week.

[Ellis]

Hey, baby.

[Andrew]

Would have been so sick right there with that. But we don't have one.

[Marques Brownlee]

But, you know, we do have trivia.

[Ellis]

Is this trivia?

[Alice]

Federated trivia. It is not federated.

[Ellis]

But wait, bitchat.

[Alice]

Oh, that's not federated though.

[Ellis]

I know.

[Alice]

Okay. Anyway, anyway, let's keep it classic. So IP ratings, those are a thing. The Microsoft Zune had a what IP rating?

[Marques Brownlee]

The original.

[Alice]

The original Microsoft Zune. That is the question.

[Marques Brownlee]

It had an ip.

[Ellis]

Is that a trick question?

[Marques Brownlee]

It had N. A N IP rating.

[Alice]

That's the question. What was the IP rating of the Microsoft Zune?

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, 67 was its Angris protection rating. I'm gonna have to think about that one. I don't really? Remember the original Zoom? I had the Zune HD which was also not very memorable.

[Andrew]

But at the Zoom Pro Max I.

[Ellis]

Thought the Zoom HD was like the famous one.

[Marques Brownlee]

The Zoom HD was awesome. I don't think it was particularly IP rated either.

[Ellis]

Particularly IP rated.

[Marques Brownlee]

I have no clue what the answer is.

[Ellis]

Neither are OnePlus phones.

[Marques Brownlee]

We'll think about this one for a while. Answers at the end. We'll be right back.

[Ellis]

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[Ellis]

Welcome back everybody to the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I know I do this every time. I'm Adam. Okay, we you may have heard a few months ago, I believe that Eric Mitchkowski, who was the guy that invented Beeper, who we did a whole thing on and then Beeper is now part of Automattic. And then I went to an automatic party about Beeper and then it was weird. The guy, Eric Minkowski basically was able to get back all of the rights from Google because Pebble was sold to Fitbit and then Fitbit was sold to Google and so Google eventually had all.

[Andrew]

The rights to pebble one step also in between here is he already, like we talked about this a little while ago, he was relaunching pebble, but he had to call it Core Design.

[Ellis]

Right? So yeah, I was getting there.

[Andrew]

Oh, sorry.

[Ellis]

So he was Able to get Google to release all the copyright for the. The pebble hardware stuff. So he was re. He decided he wanted to relaunch it because now, you know, pebble was like one of the first smartwatches, but now.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm impressed that he got cool to do that.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I know. They were like, yeah, I guess we don't. We're not really doing anything with it. Wow. Yeah. So I think they open sourced it. Yeah. So yeah, now he's making it again. It was one of the first smartwatches and now everyone feels like they have too much of their phone throwing out. Throwing things at them all the time. So they want less stuff. And pebble, because it was an early smartwatch is less stuff. It is also not quite E Ink. I don't think it's E. Paper. Paper. But anyway, one of them is right.

[Andrew]

The other one is. They both are. Okay.

[Ellis]

He needed to call it Core Devices because he did not have the right to the pebble name. Right. Which was very funny because one of them used to be called the Pebble 2 Duo and then now it was called the Core 2 Duo which was an old intel processor. But very recently, as of I believe this week, he was actually able to get the pebble name back. So officially it is now pebble again.

[Alice]

Multiple people in this office are super excited about this.

[Ellis]

Yeah, there are dozens of us.

[Alice]

Alex is already. Is it weird to order?

[Ellis]

I mean, I want to get one.

[Andrew]

They're pretty sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's the most shocking thing to me is that Google's like, sure, you can just like, why do they even.

[Ellis]

I guess I think they were just not planning on doing anything with it. So they open sourced.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but still, I mean they own it.

[Ellis]

Not anymore.

[Marques Brownlee]

I mean, when they did own it, I just feel like I'm surprised that a company like Google gave it away for free. Would just give that away for free.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And go through.

[Andrew]

You're talking about the hardware or the name?

[Marques Brownlee]

Both.

[Ellis]

Both.

[Andrew]

True. That's.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's all of what pebble is.

[Alice]

This will come back and bite us.

[David]

And we don't know how yet.

[Andrew]

He did say, like, I commend him for this blog post because this is like, like the, this is how every update on like a project should be ever. It is a simple, no bells and whistles, very text based blog post.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

That's just like listen. Tldr at the top. Here's the good things, here's the bad things. Read about it quickly. You could read this whole blog post in less than 10 minutes. And know everything you need to know about these watches.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Summarize it.

[Andrew]

But he opens it up with, we've been able to recover the trademark for Pebble. Honestly, I wasn't expecting it to work out so easily.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah, I would not either.

[David]

Can I share my favorite part about the pebble relaunch? As someone who was obsessed with the pebble when it came out, was too young to, like, have enough money to buy one, and now I'm an adult, I can. All of the repo marketplace for all of the original pebble watch faces and apps and stuff is still up. And these new Core Pebbles, since they're running just an updated version of the os, it all still works, assuming that the web services are still up. So, like, these watches are dropping with, like thousands of apps and thousands of watch faces and, like, it's. You'll get to immediately dive into, like, this super cool. I don't know. I am just.

[Andrew]

Well, they also. And they're not called Core anymore. They just are called Pebble Time 2 now and Pebble Core 2 duo.

[Ellis]

And Pebble Core.

[David]

Yeah, the Core is in the model name.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Yes. Well, at least it is on the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Website at the bottom.

[Andrew]

No, the website actually is not even updated. Or wait, hold on. He has it in here. It said it right at the top. It is now called the.

[Ellis]

Oh, this is the.

[Andrew]

It's called the Pebble 2 duo and the Pebble Time 2. There's no core in it.

[Ellis]

Yeah, I'm still on the Repubble website.

[David]

Yeah. Okay. Sweet.

[Andrew]

Oh, no, Pebble. It's just called pebble now.

[David]

He got so excited, you guys. This is so exciting.

[Ellis]

Oh, but when you go to pebble.com, it goes to store.google.com.

[Marques Brownlee]

He'S gotta. He gotta buy that.

[Ellis]

Well, even I guess he doesn't have the domain. He just has the name.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's funny.

[Ellis]

Interesting.

[Andrew]

Even in the. I want one. It's still called Court. To do in Court. He even says in the blog post, I've been calling it Core for so long, I'm gonna mess that up. And there's like four instances in the blog post where he calls it the old name.

[Ellis]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Andrew]

But I'm excited.

[Ellis]

Very cool.

[Andrew]

Sweet. This is the. The farthest away from my Garmin watch I feel like it could ever be. And I see.

[Ellis]

Yeah, this is what I. You know, I don't like smartwatches in general. And so being able to have something that's like sort of a smartwatch, but also really dumb, but also has really good battery life, but also looks kind.

[David]

Of weird and has great watch faces.

[Ellis]

Yeah. I'm kind of excited about it.

[David]

David, I've gone full circle with you. When I met, I was exclusively, like, a analog watch guy.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

And you were a smartwatch person.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

And then I watched you get into analog and digital watches. And then I got my first Apple watch and fell in love and exclusively wore that for years.

[Ellis]

And now we're both gonna.

[David]

No, Now I'm back. Oh, I've stopped dailying the. I took a selfie a few weeks ago. I think I mentioned I took a selfie, and I'm a pretty little guy, and I was just big horrified at.

[Ellis]

Did you have an Ultra? Is that what it was?

[David]

Yeah, I have an or. I have. I was testing the office's ultra one.

[Ellis]

Yeah. We're gonna meet in the middle with an E. Paper watch.

[David]

Yes.

[Ellis]

Gonna be fun. All right. I have two small stories that I want to talk about very quickly. YouTube Jump Ahead is coming to TVs. I don't know if you guys know this feature. I use the feature all the time. Yep. I feel a little bit bad because I know it just skips the sponsor.

[Alice]

No one uses that feature on our podcast, so it's fine.

[Ellis]

That's true.

[Andrew]

Don't feel bad about skipping those sponsors, because no sponsor marketing agency is smart enough to understand that that view's not going to Andrew.

[Alice]

Andrew. Our sponsors.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we love our. I mean, everyone watches ours.

[Ellis]

That's true. Nobody.

[Andrew]

That's why we make Ellis do.

[Ellis]

Yeah. So that's coming to TVs, which is very cool, because now when I watch on my projector, because I often will sit in my bed and watch some stuff on my projector in the evenings.

[Marques Brownlee]

Nice.

[Ellis]

Quite nice.

[David]

Can I. Can I do this next one?

[Ellis]

Sure.

[David]

Because the guy who made the video that you wanted to talk about was One of the YouTubers I recommended in our Waveform recommendation game so long ago.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Jordan.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

He made that, like, what? Driverless cars will never work video.

[David]

He made. He made the really good driverless car video. He's made a lot.

[Ellis]

He.

[David]

He does this really goofy thing where he oscillates between really serious stuff, like, the world is a scary place right now video. And then he'll do this video, which.

[Ellis]

Is called why don't. Yeah, wait, I have to bring up the actual name.

[David]

It's called. I think it's called I downloaded a PNG to a bird, Saved a png.

[Ellis]

Saved a png.

[David]

I saved a PNG to a Bird.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

And it's incredible. It's where he converts a PNG to sound, gives that. Teaches a bird to sing that sound, records that bird in another location, and then reconverts it into a distorted version of png.

[Ellis]

What was. Was very. You should go watch this video. It's very good. This guy's like an. Like an audio engineer who is a musician. He's like, a musician, and if you go back on his YouTube channel, most of his content was, like, music content. And then the last, like, couple of years, he's just started doing, like, wild stuff, and it's like, really, really good.

[Marques Brownlee]

Did.

[Ellis]

He's amazing. Yeah, he's very good.

[David]

He's one of those people that was like. It's funny that you did anything else before being a YouTuber because you were, like, kind of made to do.

[Ellis]

Yeah, because he has. He's got that perfect mix of, like, the video quality is not, like, insanely good. He's just, like, setting up wherever he can, whatever. But the. What he's actually doing is, like, so interesting and scientific and smart and cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's what matters.

[Ellis]

Yeah, it's. It's very like Tom Scott core in a lot of ways.

[David]

You would really like this channel.

[Ellis]

Yeah, a lot.

[David]

He's able. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Yeah. So what was funny about this is that he went to basically teach this cockatoo, I think it was called. Is it called a cockatoo?

[Marques Brownlee]

It's a bird.

[Ellis]

Yeah. They can repeat things.

[Marques Brownlee]

Do you have birds?

[Andrew]

I got birds, boy. That's. That was Ben Jordan, actually. We just sound very similar.

[Ellis]

He plays the sound for the bird, but he doesn't hear it, actually repeat it. And so it's repeating all these other sounds, but he's recording the whole thing. And he's like, well, guess it didn't repeat the sound that I wanted to record. And he goes home, and he's just, like, looking at the waveform and he's like, like, wait.

[Andrew]

And he sees a picture, right?

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

I believe it's a spectrogram, I guess I can't quite remember from the video, but he.

[Ellis]

The way that he, like, made the sound was he, like, drew the sound in some software and it created the sound, and then he played that, and he didn't hear the bird make the sound, but he was recording the whole interaction. And he goes home and he just, like, throws the audio on the spectrogram or whatever, and he randomly sees the photo of the bird that he had drawn. And then he. There was a section where the bird just. You know, did the sound. But just slowly and quietly.

[Alice]

That's cool.

[David]

Ben Jordan. We'd love to. We'd love to meet you sometime. We could talk audio and.

[Ellis]

Yeah. And this guy. I was like, this gotta be Ellis's best friend.

[David]

I think. I think me and Mr. Jordan would be quite. Quite good friends.

[Ellis]

Yeah. So. All right, well, with that, I think that we should answer more questions, actually. Ask more questions. Did we do a second trivia question? I guess we should answer more questions. And it's not for points. Yeah.

[David]

Guys, question number one. Throwing it back to New Orleans. Go, pals. Go, Saints. I'm not actually a fan of either of those teams, but today I am the great city of New Orleans. Guys, instead of having a robot do your laundry so you could do other stuff, what classic New Orleans dish was traditionally made on wash day Monday so that you could wash your clothes while these cooked without you touching them?

[Ellis]

Can I guess two things?

[Andrew]

I am between two.

[David]

This is, like, the worst phrased question I've ever given you. But I apologize for, like. I know, but I was thinking the whole episode, like, when I read it for the first time, like earlier in the episode, like, what a mish mosh word salad.

[Andrew]

I just picked the one that I'm sure I spelled right. The other one.

[Ellis]

We have the same answer.

[Marques Brownlee]

I tried to spell the other one.

[Andrew]

You tried to spell the other one? Oh, I wrote that, then erased it and then put the easier one.

[David]

Just know if you guys get this wrong, no one is allowed to Mardi Gras, and all three of you got it wrong, but you might as well read the answers anyway.

[Marques Brownlee]

Dang it. Yeah, Andrew.

[Ellis]

And I put gumbo.

[David]

That is wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I said jambalaya.

[David]

Yep. Also wrong. Two delicious foods that. Do you guys know the difference?

[Andrew]

Are they popular in New Orleans?

[David]

Yes, but the correct answer was. Oh, we have no drum roll button.

[Ellis]

Why not?

[David]

Close enough. It's red beans and rice.

[Andrew]

Oh, Claire's dad and Claire are obsessed.

[David]

With that because you have to cook the beans all day because they're hard otherwise. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, we're not gonna do a quick update on the score because this is purely an exhibition match.

[Ellis]

We all got it wrong.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, showcase game.

[David]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Update on the score.

[Alice]

Update on the score. Marques with zero. Andrew. David, also zero.

[David]

Andrew carrying the one with zero.

[Alice]

All right, next question. What was the IP rating of the Microsoft Zune? Not the hd. The og, not the Anunoby. Nick, fan reference. Damn, Angie, you got it already.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Ellis]

It gets everywhere.

[Andrew]

Okay, I'm gonna Win this preseason game.

[Ellis]

Game.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Postseason.

[Alice]

The season.

[Ellis]

Postseason.

[Andrew]

No, postseason is usually more important.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Preseason is just for funsies like this. All right, flip them and read. What do you got? Probably next, what you guys say?

[Ellis]

I did IPX4.

[Andrew]

I did IPX3.

[Marques Brownlee]

I did IP45.

[Alice]

Is that a no?

[Ellis]

Is that a thing?

[Alice]

It did not have an IP rating.

[Marques Brownlee]

I knew it at the beginning.

[Ellis]

I was like, this is probably a freaking.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Alice]

When you said, is this a trick question?

[Marques Brownlee]

I was like, oh, he's onto me.

[Ellis]

Dang it. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, we all got tricked anyway. Yeah, I hate to see it.

[Ellis]

Well, Adam loved to see that. It's officially August. You know what that means. Pixels this month. IPhones. Not this month. You're gonna get some information.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

As the weeks go by, very soon.

[David]

I'm gonna get the orange one. I decided. I think this is gonna be my.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think all of us are pre ordering this thing.

[Andrew]

Yeah, One of them.

[Ellis]

IPhone.

[Andrew]

IPhone. I'm getting the Pixel.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, sorry. Pixel and iPhone. Oh, I was talking about the Pixel.

[Ellis]

Oh, I was talking about Pixel's not an orange. The pixel's in Gotcha.

[Marques Brownlee]

Gotcha.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Still ordering it, though, in Limoncello.

[Marques Brownlee]

I would like to take this opportunity to say this is not goodbye. This is see you soon.

[Ellis]

Oh, no, you're not supposed to tell them because we have to trick them.

[Marques Brownlee]

You'll. You know, it'll still be very exciting, obviously, but I will be out of town, as I've mentioned, for two episodes of the podcast, not three.

[Andrew]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

I believe it's two.

[Andrew]

Three when I'm gonna make it this week.

[David]

What are you doing, Marquez?

[Marques Brownlee]

I will be competing in the World Games event for Ultimate Frisbee for Team usa. So hopefully we have a good time. It is in Chengdu, China, so I cannot join the podcast from the other side of the world. Even if I did, the time zones would be too crazy anyway. So, yeah, I'll be missing two weeks, but the. The crew is going to hold it down and we're still going to talk tech. And when I get back, we'll catch up on everything that I missed.

[David]

And we have lots of fun stuff planned for your absence, so make sure you tune.

[Andrew]

Trivia's gonna be worth 50 points each when you're gone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Don't have too much fun without me.

[David]

And also, everyone send Marquez good vibes that he wins Worlds.

[Ellis]

Good vibes and good luck comes back.

[David]

With a big trophy.

[Alice]

We need another one.

[Marques Brownlee]

That would be nice.

[Ellis]

So you'll be here for the Pixel 10 episode?

[Marques Brownlee]

Exactly. Barely yeah, Right on time.

[Ellis]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

So, yeah, thank you again for watching and for listening and for tuning in this week and subscribing, of course, because that's super important. And if you did subscribe, that means we'll see you next week.

[Andrew]

And if you don't, Marques will lose. Oh, my goodness. How do you do this?

[Ellis]

Produced by Emily and Alice Revin. The Vox Media Podcast network is the people that produce us. And our music is the vain sill guy. Bingo.

[Andrew]

I'm down.

[Ellis]

I think that's pretty good, right?

[Andrew]

It's pretty good.

[Ellis]

Hot.

[Marques Brownlee]

Take. The Zune HD was the single greatest designed MP3 player of all time.

[Ellis]

What?

[Marques Brownlee]

MP4 player?

[Alice]

You know the ipod exists.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, I'm. Did I stutter? Did I stutter?

[Ellis]

That's crazy.

[Alice]

Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a. A four liter jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

[Ellis]

Oh, come on.

[Alice]

They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip. Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

[Ellis]

Whatever.

[Alice]

You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia made to travel.