Tim Cooked and Now it's John's Ternus!

Summary

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Episode: Tim Cooked and Now it's John’s Ternus!
Release Date: April 24, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), David Imel, Chris Welch, Ellis Riven

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Episode Overview

This episode, with Andrew absent for family reasons, features Marques, David, Chris, and Ellis discussing sweeping changes in the tech industry: Tim Cook officially stepping down as Apple’s CEO and John Ternus becoming his successor. The conversation pivots around Apple’s history under Cook, the implications for Ternus’s leadership, speculation about Apple’s future hardware ambitions, and other notable tech stories, including Google Pixel rumors, Motorola’s controversial lawsuit against influencers, and Steph Curry’s Fitbit leak. The tone is lively, candid, and peppered with the team’s characteristic humor and inside jokes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tim Cook’s Departure and John Ternus’s Appointment

Timestamps: 04:44–24:00

• Cook’s Legacy:

  • Marques praises Tim Cook's leadership, highlighting Apple’s rise from a sub-half-trillion dollar company to a $4 trillion powerhouse:

    "They went from a sub half trillion dollar company to a 1 trillion to a 2 trillion to a 3 to a $4 trillion company. Supply chain wizard. Shipping tons of products, creating tons of revenue, lots of services." (05:24)

• Cook vs. Ternus:

  • Cook is characterized as an “operational genius” but less of a “product guy,” with notable moments like struggling to answer questions about the Magic Mouse.

    “You might have also watched the Tim Cook interview where I asked him about products and it became very clear that he is not thinking about that stuff as often.” (06:24)

  • John Ternus, Apple’s SVP of hardware engineering and incoming CEO, is described as a return to a “products” CEO—much like the Steve Jobs era.

    "People are excited for John Ternus as CEO of Apple because he's a product guy. He is into making good hardware, which is really exciting." (05:38)

• Apple’s Product Philosophy:

  • Analogy: Marques compares Google/Samsung (quick, prolific, “daily uploaders”) to Apple’s slower, “bangers-only” approach.

    “Apple is like the YouTuber that uploads every six months... and just straight bangers.” (09:19)

  • Discussion on whether Ternus will bring more “weird,” ambitious hardware ideas, as opposed to Cook’s safe and iterative approach:

    “I would like to see them reinvent their current product categories.” (12:26) “So many products from Apple that shipped in the last couple [of] years that are simply the same product with a new chip...” (13:27)

• Company Structure and Change:

  • Debate over how much real change is likely, given Apple’s boat-like inertia at $4T:

    "No one person is going to steer the whole boat in a totally new direction." (20:16)

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2. Apple’s Services Business and Future Possibilities

Timestamps: 21:03–24:41

• Services Revenue:

  • Chris points out Apple’s services division is now a $100 billion business:

    "Apple Services has been a major focus area of Cooks. And during his tenure, the category has grown to become a more than $100 billion business." (21:05)

• Acquisitions Debate:

  • The team wonders why Apple, despite having weak areas (e.g., Fitness+), rarely makes big acquisitions to quickly boost product quality—possibly due to brand-dilution fears.

• Future Product Hopes:

  • Ideas the group would love to see: Apple Camera, genuine HomePod competitors, and more experimental hardware.
  • But always emphasizing anchor to iPhone:

    "They will never ship something that steps on the feet of the iPhone." (24:12)

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3. Google Pixel Rumors: The Return of the RGB Light Bar

Timestamps: 39:31–47:12

• Feature Nostalgia:

  • Discussion about classic notification LEDs and the possibility of a multicolor “Pixel Glow” light bar returning to new Pixels.

    “There's a section in it with a whole page that specifically mentions pixel glow lights, which will alert you of important notifications when your device is face down.” (41:25) “You can have it for notifications, for different types…as well as it should animate while you're interacting with Gemini.” (42:11)

• Debate Over Practicality:

  • Is this just appealing to nostalgia in an era of always-on displays? Marques and David argue for its subtlety and utility—for instance when the phone is face down at dinner.

    "It's an ambient notification. You can just be...aware that you got a text.” (44:49)

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4. Motorola Suing Influencers in India

Timestamps: 51:36–54:28

• Controversy:

  • Motorola is suing influencers and demanding takedowns for “false or defamatory” posts, especially around alleged phone fires.

    “It specifically called out that it didn't like that people had been publishing videos of their phones catching fire, which it said were fake.” (51:51)

• Team Response:

  • They note the “Streisand Effect” (attempts to hide negative coverage actually boost its spread).

    “I had not heard about any Motorola phones catching on fire... and now I'm curious if they're real or not.” (52:29)

• Contrast with Nothing Tech’s strategy:

  • Nothing (via Carl Pei) turns negative feedback into YouTube content, whereas Motorola is criticized for a repressive approach.

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5. Steph Curry’s Unreleased Fitbit Leak

Timestamps: 54:43–63:39

• Story:

  • Steph Curry (NBA, Golden State Warriors) has been repeatedly spotted with an unidentified Fitbit-style band, inspiring speculation about a new, more subtle Fitbit product to rival Whoop.

    “He was able to catch multiple, multiple, multiple glimpses of Steph Curry wearing this unannounced Fitbit band that is supposed to compete with Whoop.” (59:24)

• Panel’s Take:

  • Universal excitement for a minimal, “band-only” fitness tracker with deep analytics (“Fitbit Air,” according to rumors).
  • Discussion on product design and wearability; most hope it will work with traditional watches and have long battery life.

    “If I can just have the little tracker with these in depth analytics... I think that would be pretty interesting.” (63:39)

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6. Oppo Find X9 Ultra: When Phone Photography Goes Overboard

Timestamps: 65:22–73:41

• Debate:

  • Marques shows the team an insane modular phone camera rig (case, lens, fan, grip attachments) for an Oppo phone and questions the point at which upgrading a phone for “pro” performance is just overkill.

    “Why are you using your phone? Still, spend all of that on a cheap camera that will do better... I think there's a Goldilocks zone to how much it's acceptable to improve your phone camera before you're just going too far.” (67:31)

• Conclusion:

  • The convenience of phone cameras is lost once rigs become unwieldy; at that point, a dedicated camera is both easier and better.

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7. Quick News Roundup

Timestamps: 73:41–81:52

• GoPro Mission 1 Series Launches (76:43)

  • New modular action cameras, details on pricing and GoPro’s subscription model.

• iPhone Pro New Colors Rumor (78:34)

  • Panel debates the merits of new iPhone colorways—silver, light blue, dark cherry, dark gray—and the demise of orange.

• Huawei Pura X Max Fold Launch (81:36)

  • New “short king” vertical foldable with high-end specs, but international availability remains unclear.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Cook vs. Ternus:

  “He is not thinking about that stuff as often…The word he came up with was ergonomics.”
  — Marques (06:36)

• On Apple’s innovation pace:

  “Apple is like the YouTuber that uploads every six months…just straight bangers.”
  — Marques (09:19)

• On “product variety” at Apple:

  “Instead of making a folding phone and a flat folding phone and then a skinny phone…they’re just like, here’s the iPhone and here’s the other...”
  — Marques (11:33)

• Pixel’s potential LED bar:

  “Multicolor LEDs?...I’m in.”
  — Marques (41:19)

• On Motorola’s PR disaster:

  “There are two ways to respond to criticism. One is to make your product better, and one is to make it worse by, you know, getting aggressive.”
  — David (52:40)

• On Steph Curry’s Fitbit:

  “Elite athlete chooses to use this product before it comes out…best possible endorsement.”
  — Marques (60:40)

• On over-accessorizing phone cameras:

  “Why are you using your phone? Still, spend all of that on a cheap camera that will do better than whatever you’re about to shoot on your phone.”
  — Marques (67:31)

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Additional Fun & Tangents

• Trivia sections on Tim Cook’s origins and favorite soda (spoiler: it’s Diet Mountain Dew), with much playful banter (36:13; 86:32).
• The group’s sports allegiances, Philadelphia 76ers rant, and NBA/tech culture intersections (84:17).
• Lighthearted bickering about iPhone color choices, Watch bands, and long-standing podcast jokes about “Team Bottom,” “Chef Curry,” and more.

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Timeline of Important Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------|-----------------------| | Tim Cook steps down, John Ternus incoming | 04:44–24:41 | | Apple Services business, future products | 21:03–24:41 | | Google Pixel “Pixel Glow” LED rumors | 39:31–47:12 | | Motorola sues Indian influencers | 51:36–54:28 | | Steph Curry’s leaked Fitbit | 54:43–63:39 | | Oppo Find X9 Ultra pro photography rig | 65:22–73:41 | | Tech News Quick Hits | 73:41–81:52 | | Fun, Trivia, and Final Banter | 84:14–end |

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a deep, lively, and geeky dive into Apple’s leadership change and what it could mean for the future of the world’s biggest tech company, while also serving up a balanced mix of product rumors, industry gossip, and candid panel insights. The team’s banter, analogies, and easy rapport make even the most technical topics fun and accessible for regular listeners and tech diehards alike.

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Transcript

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[David Imel]

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Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[David Imel]

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And.

[David Imel]

And oh, nevermind. I'm not.

[Marques Brownlee]

No, you're definitely not Andrew.

[David Imel]

Yeah, he had another child. Yeah, sorry, they buried the lead there.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, just definitely jumped straight to the top story. So, yeah, if you're watching on video, you probably already noticed Andrew's not here with us this week and that's because he is having another baby. And actually we were in the middle of recording a bonus podcast episode when he got the call that he had to go leave and have that baby. Yeah, so get subscribed to see that. I don't know how we're gonna cut that into the video, but it's gonna be in or not. I'm currently editing you just like. But just like zoom in on Andrew's face. Like, yeah, yeah, no, I gotta go have a baby now. And he just leaves. It's great. So shout out to him, Baby's healthy, everything's going super well. But we also have a ton to talk about this week because for Whatever reason, all of the companies decided to do all the things. And it's not even Wednesday yet.

[David Imel]

It's Tuesday.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's crazy recording on Tuesday. I appreciate it, guys. So we gotta talk about Google potentially bringing RGB Light Bar back to Pixel devices, which would be sick.

[David Imel]

Yep.

[Marques Brownlee]

Motorola suing some influencers in India. Uh, oh, that's a story. That's bad. And then Apple, new CEO, a couple other things like that. So, yeah, small stories, I think. Make sure you get subscribed, make sure you're rating us highly or however you think of us on your podcast player of choice.

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[Marques Brownlee]

Let's go. Because that does a lot for us and helps us get the news out and talk about stuff to a bigger

[David Imel]

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[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

On your podcast player of choice.

[Marques Brownlee]

Exactly. Yeah.

[David Imel]

Well, we do this. You know. Did they even test this thing every single week?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[David Imel]

I had two last week, so I saved one for this week. And I think that this is probably present in many different apps. You've probably experienced this. But I was noticing I was making a party full event because no one in history has yet used the Apple Invites app. So I was using a party. I was doing the party full event.

[Chris Welch]

And.

[David Imel]

And at the very last stage of making your partyful event, when you're just about to send it out, it has a little, like, default text message that it sends to everybody that, hey, David's inviting you to this thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

But it's like, do you want to modify it and make it custom? And I was like, obviously, yes. I don't want to be, you know, like everybody else. So you write your stuff in it, but when you. When you write your stuff, your keyboard comes up. There's no way to get rid of the keyboard. There's no back button, and there's no, like, the next button. The publish button is underneath your keyboard.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is an iOS bug, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

[David Imel]

I've tried it on multiple iPhones. It persists. And I've had this happen in multiple different apps. But I just think it's funny that there's not even a back button and you can't swipe back to get to the last page. So you have to fully close the app, reopen it, and then modify it again. And eventually I just gave up. And I was like, I guess the default text is just going out.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is that why everyone sends the default?

[David Imel]

I guess so.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's weird. I feel like I want to half blame this on Partyful, but also half on iOS because on Android, there's just a button to close your keyboard on the keyboard, which is smart. But also most iOS apps don't have this problem. So it's half an iOS problem, but also half the developer, not just making it above the keyboard.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So both of you.

[David Imel]

Yeah, fix that. Make the next button in the top right so that you don't have to worry about this. And also make a back button in the top left.

[Chris Welch]

You know who has a lot of free time in his hands now to fix little things like this?

[David Imel]

Adam Molina.

[Chris Welch]

No, Tim Cook. Tim Cook.

[Marques Brownlee]

Tim Cook doesn't use this stuff. Yeah, we'll talk about more actually, you know, let's just talk about it now. Apple CEO Tim Cook.

[David Imel]

Tim Cook, he.

[Marques Brownlee]

Cook has announced that he is stepping down in September and he will be moving to the board. Chairman of the board. He'll be succeeded as CEO by John Ternus. This is. We all kind of have been reading that this is going to happen at some point. Everyone keeps asking Tim Cook, what's your legacy gonna be when you leave? And he's like, I ain't going anywhere. And then boom. It's now announced and official.

[David Imel]

Even a month ago he said, I have no plans on retiring anytime soon.

[Marques Brownlee]

They do the Apple thing where they're like, I cannot speak about future products or events.

[Chris Welch]

Boom.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then it just happens and we're like, ah, you knew the whole time. Yeah. So many thoughts. I do plan on putting together a video, but this is a good sounding board. I wanna fire some thoughts at you guys and see what you think. So first of all, Tim Cook's career at Apple pretty goaded as a company like just as far as like people invest in Apple. They went from a sub half billion or sub half trillion dollar company to a 1 trillion to a 2 trillion to a 3 to a $4 trillion company. This guy is good at steering that ship. Supply chain wizard. Shipping tons of products, creating tons of revenue, lots of services. So if you want to analyze Apple post Steve Jobs era as a company, they were a very successful company under Tim Cook. Very hard to succeed Steve Jobs, but he did that. But people are excited for John Ternus as CEO of Apple because John Ternus was the senior VP of hardware engineering and I've talked to him about hardware many times. He is a product guy. He is into making good hardware, which is really exciting. You might have also watched the Tim Cook interview where I asked him about products and it became very clear that he is not thinking about that stuff as often.

[David Imel]

The magic mouse.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you can see the gears turning in his head.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Trying to remember, first of all, what is a magic mouse.

[David Imel]

Yes, absolutely.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then second of all, what do I say about a mouse?

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And the word he came up with was ergonomics. Nothing against possible thing. Yeah. Like that's, that's not it. It was kind of a meme. But. So nothing against Tim Cook. He has his leadership style. It was very successful. But you could also kind of see the influence of Jony I've leaving and the sort of new design language of Apple products. I think the MacBook Pro is a really good example of the design language at Apple changing. Going from being super thin and sleek, too thin for its own good, and thermal throttling and keyboard issues because of the butterfly switches, all this stuff. And now being like thicker, having real ports, being super powerful and Apple silicon coming up and being super important. So a lot of good stuff happened under Tim Cook, but now I think it's even more exciting for product focus.

[David Imel]

For sure.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

We haven't really had a product CEO at Apple since Steve Jobs, which, I mean, it was only Tim Cook in between. So there's that. But Steve Jobs made a lot of interesting, weird stuff. And I think it would be cool to have more interesting weird stuff. We had Vision Pro. They possibly committed a little too hard to Vision Pro because Apple doesn't like to ship anything that it doesn't think is gonna be a hit.

[Marques Brownlee]

I've been thinking about this a lot and the companies that we cover, we talk about Google a lot, we talk about Samsung a lot. Here in the US there's a lot of companies who ship a lot of products and famously kill them. Like the Google graveyard is immense. And these companies kill products for various reasons. Maybe they're just not scammed. Maybe they're a total failure. No one used them. Maybe they're a negative impact on the company, whatever. But they kill products all the time. When Apple kills a product once in a while, it's like this huge deal. Even when they only kill like a wireless charging pad they're gonna make, it becomes kind of lower, which they don't

[David Imel]

acknowledge until like years later.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they're like ashamed of any little failure that they've had where they announced something and then it didn't work. Apple Intelligence is the latest massive embarrassing failure failure. So Apple doesn't really make that many stuff. Things. And I was thinking about this analogy. I'm throw it off to you guys and see how it hits your ear. Samsung and Google are like YouTubers that upload every Day. They're like daily vloggers. They'll throw out a new thing if it works great, they'll throw out another thing the next day and another thing the next day and another thing. And you can never really get too hung up on if one of the things fails and if something scales and does super well, great, we might do a follow up of that, we might do it again the next year. But. But they're kind of just uploading all the time. Apple is like the YouTuber that uploads every six months.

[Chris Welch]

Michael Reeves.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or every four months, right?

[Chris Welch]

Yeah, just like every couple months. And just straight bangers.

[Marques Brownlee]

And it's fine. It's usually bangers. They clearly spend a lot and like really commit a lot of the company and a lot of the future to it. And they have future plans and they're like, this is a huge commitment, blah, blah. And they use that language too. They're like, this is revolutionary for us. This is a massive deal. And so when one of them doesn't quite hit, you can't hide because the next thing is months away. And you did just talk pretty grandly about it. And so it's kind of like a little bit embarrassing because you. So that's why I think they don't try as many different things that I want them to. I wish Apple made camera, a printer, a whole bunch of other random stuff that they don't make like a HomePod with a screen. Like there's tons of stuff that I would like them to try, but they're not the daily uploader. They're like behind the scenes scheming for months on the big upload.

[David Imel]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's like the weight of your expectations. I kind of, I think Christopher Nolan could maybe be a good analogy for Apple because it takes a really long time for them to come out with a new thing. When they do, they try really hard to have some revolutionary, innovative thing. They're almost always bangers, but there's always a movie like tenet that you're like, what is this for? Who is this for?

[Ellis Riven]

Shut the up.

[Marques Brownlee]

I haven't seen it, but I have

[Ellis Riven]

the rules and you know it.

[David Imel]

I haven't actually seen it, but that's the vision.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it's not Interstellar. It's just not.

[David Imel]

No, I mean Interstellar is like the iPhone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

You know, Tenant is the vision pro. Most people don't understand it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's good. And some people. Yeah, some people will never try it and have just heard bad things about it and they're like, why do I spend the money? Like me.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I. It's interesting because I don't necessarily foresee Apple shifting to trying a lot of new stuff again. It's like, again, it's the weight of your expectations. And because Apple has only shipped bangers generally, you know, there have been some weird things here and there. People scrutinize the hell out of them when they don't ship good stuff. And there are like a million iPhones now. Like, I was kind of thinking about this. They didn't necessarily expand into a ton of new product categories, but the products that they do have, they have sort of decided to fill that. Every price point thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah.

[David Imel]

Like Samsung does.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's so safe.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's. It's very safe.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Instead of making a folding phone and a flat folding phone and then a skinny phone and then a flipping phone like Samsung, they're just like, here's the iPhone and here's the other iPhone and the other iPhone and the other iPhone, and that's Tim Cook's version of a variety of products.

[David Imel]

And one could argue that there are Almost too many SKUs of all of these devices at this point.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think that's a fair argument.

[David Imel]

I kind of think we have too many. I don't think that the iPhone. What is the cheap one now?

[Marques Brownlee]

What is it called? Well, there's the 17E and then there's the base iPhone, and then there's the Air now. And then there's the pro and then there's the Pro Max, and there's the iPad and then there's the iPad air and then there's the iPad pro and then there's the MacBooks that kind of like start. The price ladder is real and they do make a lot of money selling a lot of stuff, but it doesn't feel like a real variety.

[David Imel]

Yeah, there was a good. There was a really good snazzy Q video a few weeks ago about how the Neo kind of destroyed the MacBook Air.

[Marques Brownlee]

I like that.

[David Imel]

Yeah, because, you know, the Air, when it originally launched was that manila folder, like it was breaking barriers, like, thing. And now it's, you know, it's. It's thin ish, but it's not insanely thin. And it's good and it's got a bigger screen, but it's like more expensive in a weird way. And at this point, they. I think they need to. They need to lean into ternus hardware engineering background to actually, like, if they're not going to expand a new product categories again. I would like to see them reinvent their current product catch product categories. They have make the air like insane again. You know what I mean? And it's surprising that when the M chip revolution happened, they didn't actually take that opportunity to make the jony I've era of everything being omega thin just like, oh, a normal computer, but it's omega thin. I'm glad that they went the thick boy MacBook Pro Route because we're power users and we like to have that extra headroom. But you know, they kind of, I mean they have an opportunity now to make the MacBook Air Super, super, super thin and still faster than the Neo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. There are so many. And this is. As a product reviewer, you see a lot of this. There are so many products from Apple that shipped in the Last couple like 10 years that are simply the same product with a new chip or like, or like shuffling parts around the same couple of things. So you'd review and you see a lot of this language from Apple because they kind of also in pressland like pretend other companies don't exist a lot of times. So they'll say, this is our new product. It has this from our other product and this other thing from our other product. And now it's the new thing even though it's using old things. Okay, iPhone 17e, they'll just go. It's the screen from this old iPhone and the chip from this other iPhone and the camera from this other iPhone. And now it's a new phone, parts bed phone. And that's Tim Cook, genius at work. Because we, we are, you know, supply chain maxing right now. That is what they do. So yeah, now they're a $4 trillion company. A little bit uninspiring. I think they do have big swings every once in a while. But I am excited for a little bit more variety potential.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah. Some people were also saying like now that Tim Cook is just sort of the chairman of the board, he can go do all the political things. Right. Because it was, it was always kind of weird to have him being the CEO and also having to deal with like the administration, all the stuff like that. Now the CEO of Apple can just focus on running Apple and Tim Cook, because he's still sort of affiliated with the company, can go deal with all the politics.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's what I'm curious about, what the job actually is, because I didn't really get to ask Tim that. But I kind of just want to ask like what Is running Apple like, like is. Is John Ternus job going to become way less input on new hardware and IDE and way more running Apple? Because that is part of the job. You got to do a lot of that sort of stuff. So I'm curious about that. Yeah.

[David Imel]

Johnny Surughi is taking over as head of hardware. He was the guy that he's always in the labs in the video talking

[Marques Brownlee]

about the M chip surrounded by Mac pros.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And Pro display XDRs.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Which the Mac pros are. What are they going to do now with the Mac pros?

[Marques Brownlee]

This is going to be Mac studios.

[Ellis Riven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

They look so much more impressive.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know, they really do. They're great background video props.

[David Imel]

Yes, they are because they look really cool. But he's taking over as head of hardware which is really interesting because you know he's great, great at making chips. Obviously that's his thing. But the question is like do his hardware chops match up, you know? Yeah, that's going to be really interesting

[Marques Brownlee]

to see other products that you wished Apple would make that maybe they have a better chance of making now that it's someone who's in charge of hardware.

[David Imel]

I mean I would love a camera same. They're not going to do it probably because I think that the camera market, like I think Canon makes most of its money on their super, super cheap cameras. Right. Like the prosumer market for cameras is not big.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting.

[David Imel]

And Apple I believe still uses Sony for its, for its sensors. Yeah, Apple has the, you know, they seem like the company that could start making their own center sensors.

[Marques Brownlee]

That would be sick. Yeah, that would be sick.

[David Imel]

I mean putting their DRAM directly on the chip and making it go straight

[Marques Brownlee]

to the camera and being doing computational photography on a large sensor scale size. That could be interesting.

[Ellis Riven]

An A18 might have enough juice to be like a pretty sick image processing engine.

[David Imel]

Oh, it already is.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it already is. But you know, add way more pixels and way more.

[Ellis Riven]

But could it do. Do you think it's powerful enough to function on a lot like an APS C sized sensor?

[David Imel]

Probably yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

If you dedicated the entire chip to image processing. Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying.

[Ellis Riven]

They definitely got enough A18s lying around.

[David Imel]

But even just to make the iPhone camera better, you know what I mean? I mean they probably have like a relatively deep level of integration based on, you know, how early they get the chips from Sony and what they talk to them about and what they want them to build it on. But I would like to see Deeper integration of that. And then maybe, yes, maybe they could make another camera. Because, remember, they did make a camera that was made by Fujifilm.

[Marques Brownlee]

Take. Is that what it's called?

[David Imel]

Yeah, it was a Fujifilm camera that was Apple branded.

[Chris Welch]

I was gonna say they're never gonna make a camera. Cause they would just tell you that they make a camera already. Just.

[David Imel]

Yeah, that's true.

[Chris Welch]

That is.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, okay. Yeah, I was not a big enough market either. I was watching the AirPods Max 2 came out, and there's. There's reviews out there now, and it's basically like, yeah, they're the same. And I'm like, this is such a Tim Cook thing. Like, they're just reusing. They have all these, okay, H2 chips, ship them like it's the same product over and over. And I'm like, why? Like, what would convince Apple to actually spend interesting money developing new. Like, what would convince Apple to make good AirPods Max?

[Chris Welch]

Competition.

[Marques Brownlee]

Competition feels like competition. It's out there now. Like, it's not necessarily all in the same buckets. Like, they are the only ones doing this metal build, weird case thing. But their battery life's not competitive. But their sound quality is decently competitive. But the integration with the iPhone has always been the thing that's not. You can't really compete with it. It's weird.

[David Imel]

Their walled garden allows them to not really have competition. Even if there are other headphones that are sound just as good, have just as good connectivity, you know, battery life lasts just as long. The integration is always going to be them only. And so you can't really compete with that. At the end of the day, I

[Marques Brownlee]

just feel like if I worked at Apple Hardware and I was like, you know, biting at the, chomping at the bit or whatever it's called to, like, make real improvements to AirPods Max. And then the order comes down from Tim Cook and he's like, same design, same case, same everything. Just throw the H2 chip in there and call it a day. We're going to ship millions of these. And you're like, dang, I really want to do something interesting. I feel like maybe that's the door that can be opened by this.

[David Imel]

Could be. Maybe it's safe to keep shipping the same thing over and over again.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

I mean, there's some crazy statistic about, like, AirPods Pro and how they would be like, one of the top 15 companies in the world or something if they just were just a company.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

So, yeah. I don't know. I personally think that we're over indexing a little bit on his decision making when it comes to hardware design and stuff like that. I think Apple is probably a complex enough organization that these decisions mostly get made by the middle managers. And he just approves things. He just signs things. You know what I mean?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Some of my earliest CEO interviews, when I actually got answers from them, I would ask them what that's like being a CEO. And it's like, honestly, most of the decisions don't get to you. And if they do, they are the hardest decisions that had to be passed up the chain where it's like decisions about the future of the company are really difficult. Technical and moral decisions about what products they should do. Yeah. Where if it's just, hey, you know, there's a simple update for AirPods Max out there, we can just, like, take that market share and keep going. Should we do it? That doesn't even really make it to him. No. And that's how you end up with him going, we make a magic mouse.

[David Imel]

Yeah. What is that?

[Marques Brownlee]

What is that?

[Chris Welch]

Am I the only one thinking not a lot is going to change?

[David Imel]

No, that's what I mean.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. There's very much like, as a $4 trillion company, you are 1,000% like a huge boat with many small oars, and no one person is going to steer the whole boat in a totally new direction. It's very fair to assume that this is going to be a smooth handover with minimal risk to investors and minimal changes in almost everything.

[David Imel]

We're not talking about all birds over here.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Yeah, that's the opposite. That's the opposite. Yeah. So I think, you know, I don't even know what the stock price is doing, but I'm sure investors are like, oh, how is this going to go?

[David Imel]

I'm sure Tim Cook is also going to give a ton of guidance about supply chain stuff. Like, he's still going to be involved.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's still got to do Tim Cook things.

[Chris Welch]

Speaking of Tim Cook things, I pulled some quotes from their PR release that I just found interesting. Mainly, Apple Services has been a major force.

[David Imel]

We didn't even talk about services.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Apple Services has been a major focus area of Cooks. And during his tenure, the category has grown to become a more than $100 billion business. The equivalent of a Fortune 40 company.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Just the services. That's insane.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's Tim Cook.

[Chris Welch]

That's 30% of every tap you do on the iPhone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, exactly.

[David Imel]

I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. We didn't even talk about the services. He really did grow all of those monthly ecosystem services. It's crazy. I wonder. I think Fitness plus might get reduced soon, to be honest, because they put a lot of money into that and that seems to be one of their weakest services. Yeah. Apple TV plus also spends way too much money, but I think that they like kind of being the new hbo, so that's probably fine.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know what I also think about a lot randomly, there's a lot of companies they could acquire to just like a Peloton or a random fitness related company that could really boost their quality of product, but they never seem to do it. And that's another thing. I don't know if that's going to change at all.

[David Imel]

I feel like they don't want to do that because they don't want to dilute their own brand. You know, it's kind of risky to do that when Apple already has such a, like really, really good identity. And if Peloton gets in trouble for doing something Peloton y, because they always have, then Apple gets the flack for it. And doing that to Beats was like the last time they did something like that, which a long time ago.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that was a long time ago. I guess I just mean like if they have a really weak product offering, like people are talking about this with AI, but just if they have a weak product and there's a company that's way smaller but that's doing a lot of really good stuff that they're not doing, they can copy some of it. They can like make their own version of it. That ties into the iPhone or whatever. But I always think of them as the iPhone company. And if they ever wanted to like quickly expand and make a whole bunch of way better things, maybe that's a route. But they. Yeah, they never seem to do it.

[David Imel]

I mean, because when you think about it, it's like, what could they really expand? Like you asked me the question, what product would they make if I could wave a magic wand? What would you want them to make? Because I just, I don't really know of a lot of products.

[Ellis Riven]

Alarm clock.

[David Imel]

Like just a dedicated alarm clock.

[Ellis Riven]

Yeah. I want.

[David Imel]

They'd say your phone's an alarm clock.

[Ellis Riven]

I know, but I think the idea that like instead of expanding into more services, they expand into more hardware, peripherals. It's like.

[David Imel]

You think they do that?

[Marques Brownlee]

No, but that's kind of what I'm.

[David Imel]

That's what I want.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Ellis Riven]

And it's, it's what I think someone like Ternus would be positioned to do. But I don't think. I think you're right that like anything they do dilutes the power of the.

[David Imel]

Of the iPhone. Yeah, yeah, totally. It's the everything device.

[Ellis Riven]

Also, it's funny to think of them as the iPhone company because I think there's an argument to be made that Apple is actually an earbud company that just happens to make watches as well.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, both of those companies are just accessories to the iPhone.

[Ellis Riven]

I know, but like, like you could make the argument that like, while the iPhone is like a game changing thing, it still is not like global market share. Whereas the best selling audio product and the best selling watch of all time are both Apple products.

[David Imel]

Yeah, true.

[Marques Brownlee]

But both of those markets combined are like a fraction of the size of the smartphone market. Yeah.

[David Imel]

The Apple Watch only works on the iPhone. So you need to like by definition on an iPhone to sell an Apple Watch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah. It's like they, they obviously had a ton of success with the iPhone and they will never ship something that steps on the feet of the iPhone.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But every time they do ship something new, their first move is to make it the one that works best with the iPhone.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that if you have an iPhone, you are more likely to get this one than any competition. That's true about their headphones. It's true about their, you know, the way the Macs and the iPads talk to the iPhone and icloud and all this stuff. Everything is a part of this ecosystem and that's their strategy.

[David Imel]

Number one, I want to see a return of the HomePod and more form factors for the HomePod. I want to see them properly compete with Sonos where you can wire that all over your house. I feel like that's the next step for them.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, a tv. Everyone thought they were going to make a TV for a while. They never did that.

[David Imel]

Then they just made the Apple tv, which is a table tv, you know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but what if.

[Ellis Riven]

I mean, they make the Apple tv

[David Imel]

Apple TV and Apple tv And Apple TV Plus. No, not plus anymore. They killed the plus.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, just Apple tv.

[David Imel]

Yeah. It's all Apple tv.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you can watch.

[David Imel]

Yo dog, heard you like Apple tv.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you can watch Apple TV on your Apple tv. Well, your Apple tv.

[Ellis Riven]

I think I, I got that trivia question from a tweet that was like, Apple makes three products called Apple TV. None of them are TVs. Steve Jobs would lose his mind.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So they, you know, there's lots of things that I'm curious if they're gonna start to jump into or like dip their feet into and we'll see.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Well, I hope that John Ternus says good morning very loudly. That's the only.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's gotta have a new entry. There's no way you can. That's like a. That's like a rapper's signature line. You can't take his bar.

[David Imel]

What is up?

[Marques Brownlee]

You need a new bar.

[David Imel]

Yeah, he did.

[Marques Brownlee]

He did. I forgot what he said when he did the app. The MacBook Neo event. Neo. Did he say. What did he say? I don't remember.

[David Imel]

That wasn't streamed.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it wasn't streamed. So I don't actually remember what he said because I didn't take video of it.

[David Imel]

Do you say hi, everyone?

[Marques Brownlee]

Probably something like that. That sounds like. It sounds like what he said.

[Ellis Riven]

What are the odds? He gets on stage and goes, was

[Marques Brownlee]

not.

[Chris Welch]

Zero.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's definitely a polymarket link somewhere.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So he takes over in September.

[Ellis Riven]

So I think Apple does nothing in September.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

I'm curious, what happens at Dub Dub? Is it going to be Tim that comes on stage? Probably.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't think Tim. Has he come on stage at Dub Dub?

[Chris Welch]

Yeah. Oh, really?

[David Imel]

He comes before the video starts.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Riven]

Doesn't he open Dub Dub?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, he comes. So it happens. Yeah.

[Ellis Riven]

In real life, I thought they always Dub Dub, the video thing always starts with Tim on the roof or something.

[David Imel]

Yes, it does. But also he comes out in person.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So what happens is when you go to the. To WWDC in person, they start. Everyone's sitting in the same space and looking at the same. Same screen and they actually have someone come out on stage, usually Tim Cook or Craig Federighi, because it's Dub Dub. And they come sometimes both and they come out and they say, welcome to wwdc. So happy to have you all here. They'll say like one or two generic lines and then they'll walk off stage into the front row and then they'll start playing the video that everyone sees on the stream and then it's Tim Cook and him again on the screen. Yeah. So lately. So the MacBook Neo event, they had, you know, the announcement videos and everything, but that no Tim Cook to be found anywhere. It was just John Ternus on stage and I think one or two executives with him. But he was clearly like the welcome everyone to the thing that I'm showing you. Person test bed. So yeah, that happened once. That'll probably happen again in September, I believe.

[David Imel]

Dub Dub.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, yeah, I don't know.

[David Imel]

I think there Would be a lot of hype if he came out.

[Marques Brownlee]

If John. I think that's probably what they'll do.

[David Imel]

I think that's probably what they'll do.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

But Dub Dub is like a software thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

It is, but you're kind of like the. He kind of sets the tone of like, welcome to the thing and then passes it to the software people.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

So you're saying John Ternus will come out or Tim Cook will come out.

[Marques Brownlee]

John Ternus. I think John Ternus will come out as the. I'm about to be the CEO. Yeah. And I think Tim Cook has done his last keynote.

[Chris Welch]

Really? That's what I was going to ask. So you think, like, we're not going to get one more Tim Cook, Good morning.

[Ellis Riven]

I think. No, I think we're going to get some sort of like, cheeky little thing, like Tim Cook is going to come out and like, airdrop the CEO position.

[David Imel]

I could see that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's probably.

[David Imel]

That'd be funny.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. So maybe Dub Dub is the last Tim Cook and the first John Turner.

[Ellis Riven]

He's going to send him an Apple events invite to become CEO.

[Marques Brownlee]

He's going to be a meeting with HR on his calendar.

[David Imel]

I wonder if they'll put that in the Dub Dub intro video this year because you know that everyone's going to

[Marques Brownlee]

like some Easter egg.

[David Imel]

People are going to be so excited about. About the whole thing. It's kind of. This is a cult.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, it's funny the amount of people who are like, what about Craig? Why isn't he the CEO? Because he's the one who's like the most charismatic on camera. He's still in charge of all the software. Yeah. So that's not Falcon here. We just got to pick somebody.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I'm glad. I mean, hopefully he reverses course with liquid ass. Well, you know, Tim Cook might have had his amount, his events that he was going to keynote set to zero. But you know what else you can now set to0?

[Marques Brownlee]

What?

[David Imel]

YouTube shorts on your phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

What? Yeah, I still watch shorts on your phone. Yeah.

[David Imel]

Crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

This is what confused me about this because shorts are made for the phone, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[Chris Welch]

Vertical video, TikTok Instagram Reels, YouTube shorts. All this stuff is vertical because it's on your phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[Chris Welch]

They won't give us this feature on TVs or desktop.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

So shorts is still available on YouTube. Desktop.

[Marques Brownlee]

Right.

[Chris Welch]

Like if you're on a computer, you go to YouTube, you'll still get shorts there for sure. But I have the option on my phone. Which is what it was made for.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

To turn it to zero. Does it make no sense?

[David Imel]

Percolate across all your devices? Oh, I imagine the settings on the phone and then it. But I updated my app this morning and I still didn't have the option to set it to zero.

[Chris Welch]

Oh, I have the option to set it to zero. So maybe I'll do that and see if it populates.

[David Imel]

See if it populates on your. On your device, on your laptop. But yeah, so previously, you know, there was a shorts time limit, and I'm guessing this is sort of like a parental thing where parents could make sure that their kids were not just like brain dumping on shorts all day.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

And the options were in 15 minute increments. And it could be 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour.

[Chris Welch]

That's the verb for it, by the way. Brain dumping.

[David Imel]

Brain dumping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brain maxing. And now apparently you can set it zero again. I still didn't have this option, but I really wish that more social media apps would give you this option because like I've said, sometimes Instagram really sucks me in for 45 minutes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Never going to. Well, Instagram leans on reels and TikTok obviously is TikTok, so I feel like there's something. TikTok.

[Chris Welch]

Dude, this feels like how it should be, though. Like, I don't mind having shorts and reels on my phone. Whatever.

[David Imel]

If you have the option.

[Chris Welch]

If I have the option to go to it. I don't like being served it.

[David Imel]

But it affects their bottom line.

[Chris Welch]

Yeah, I don't give a.

[David Imel]

You don't?

[Marques Brownlee]

I guess it's. It's too big of a bottom line. Yeah. For YouTube, it's a fraction of their bottom line for Instagram and for TikTok, it's too much of their bottom line to give you that option.

[David Imel]

It's surprising to me that YouTube is even allowing this in the first place. Well, Flex. Yeah. Kind of.

[Marques Brownlee]

I like it.

[David Imel]

We're healthier.

[Chris Welch]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

You know, so.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Kind of weird.

[Marques Brownlee]

And then you get sucked in a long form.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Speaking of something disappearing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, nice.

[David Imel]

Shorts disappeared for some people. If you want Nothing. We. We kind of missed the story last week because it happened like during the podcast episode last week while we were recording.

[Chris Welch]

Yeah. But it also didn't happen.

[David Imel]

It. Yeah, it's Schrodinger's Airdrop clone. Nothing. Last week released an Airdrop competitor called Warp.

[Marques Brownlee]

For a few hours,

[David Imel]

it was gone like three hours after they released it. They deleted all traces of it from Social Media Android Authority got a statement from them asking why they deleted it. And nothing said, our product team has temporarily removed the Nothing Work file sharing application to make necessary improvements based on early user feedback and technical evaluations.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was quick.

[David Imel]

This is not a permanent removal, but rather a strategic pause to enhance a product's performance and ensure it meets our high quality standards.

[Marques Brownlee]

So normally that's just a software update. So there's more reasons why they had to remove it.

[Chris Welch]

I hear this is a security nightmare. So we pulled it either legal or

[Marques Brownlee]

security or both legal or security.

[David Imel]

The site Cybernews was speculating that it was extremely close to an open source tool that was already available and it looked almost identical.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's funny.

[David Imel]

So it's possible that they just kind of took the open source tool and released it as their own thing and then they got blowback from it. I'm guessing it's more of a security thing. Apparently the way that this worked was that it would upload the file to Google Drive, send it to the other person, auto download it, and then when it finished downloading it would delete it off the Google Drive.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's crazy.

[David Imel]

Which is really weird.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's really funny actually.

[David Imel]

Possible Google just didn't like this violates their terms of service or something for Google Drive. I'm not sure.

[Chris Welch]

I'm thinking, wouldn't that mean that there has to be some sort of automation to automatically delete something from a user's Google Drive?

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Which doesn't sound like Google would be okay with that.

[Ellis Riven]

No, no, I think, I think no, because you can delete stuff off of your Google Drive with the Google Drive API. Like I built tools that, that do that. I think it's more like I don't think you can build this. I don't think you can build. Build a commercial service that piggybacks Google Drive. I think that's the.

[David Imel]

Yeah, maybe that's why, I mean it's interesting that they even gave the statement and that they said it is a temporary pause. But you know, it could be an indefinite pause.

[Marques Brownlee]

Could come back, could not. Yeah, tbd.

[David Imel]

Tbd.

[Chris Welch]

I like how this is now a thing. Like it seems like everyone has an airdrop, oh, 100% kind of thing.

[Marques Brownlee]

I. There is a phone that will, okay, embargo will be out by the time we talk about this oppos phone. But this is also not just this phone where there's like a seven or eight page section of their review guide which is just clones of Apple features where they'll be like Install this Oppo app on your Mac and then you'll be able to use Airdrop on your Oppo phone and install this Oppo app on your Mac. And you'll be able to mirror your Oppo phone on your Mac. Like they are selectively going in and picking Apple ecosystem features and then making a companion app that lets you have a version of that so that if you are in Apple's ecosystem, you can still use Oppo's phone.

[David Imel]

Didn't they make some sort of workaround where you can also use your Apple Watch on that?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes, that's another one. Yeah. So you have a. You have a specific app on your phone and then I don't even think you need an iPhone. I think you get the Apple Watch and then it can work with the Oppo phone.

[David Imel]

Yeah, you need the iPhone when you set it up. Right. And then, yeah, you need an iPhone

[Chris Welch]

to set it up.

[Marques Brownlee]

That wouldn't shock me. Yeah, but still so deliberate. It is like, wow, I can't really switch to the Oppo phone because I use an iPhone and all these accessories. Oh, hold on, hold on. We've got an answer.

[David Imel]

Oh, but you can.

[Chris Welch]

We went so long without any of these, and now it seems like there's a million of them.

[David Imel]

Why is it all happening now? It is strange. It is strange.

[Marques Brownlee]

Europe. Europe.

[David Imel]

Possibly Europe. Possibly Europe.

[Marques Brownlee]

We love it.

[David Imel]

All right, well, we got a lot more stories coming up. We clearly don't want to save the best for the beginning, I guess, blow through the best at the beginning. So we're going to do something that lasts longer than Tim Cook's tenure, which is trivia.

[Marques Brownlee]

Does that mean we have to do

[David Imel]

15 years of trivia? I kind of.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Lock in.

[David Imel]

I hope waveform is still going in 15 years.

[Marques Brownlee]

Same.

[David Imel]

Yeah, when I'm 45.

[Ellis Riven]

All right, guys, Tim Cook is stepping down, like we just covered. And this, I thought, would be the perfect excuse to ask a question about the most random fact I've ever learned about Tim Cook, which I got from a Wall Street Art Journal article came out a little bit ago. It's called Tim Cook on why Apple's Huge Bets Will Pay off by Ben Cohen. Big article when it came out. And the thing that I learned from this article that shook me to my core. M1, what is Tim Cook's favorite soda? Hint? While it is a very common soda throughout the US it is not sold in Apple vending machines.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like on campus vending machines.

[Ellis Riven]

That is correct.

[David Imel]

So does he just get deliveries directly to his office?

[Ellis Riven]

He said in this interview. He does not get to drink it as much as he wants.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting. I do know he grew up like in the Midwest, so this is probably going to be a soda I've never heard of.

[Ellis Riven]

Did not grow up in the Midwest.

[David Imel]

Oh, but he's right.

[Marques Brownlee]

Am I wrong about that?

[Chris Welch]

Because that's mine.

[David Imel]

He's from the Midwest.

[Ellis Riven]

He's not from the Midwest either.

[David Imel]

What? Guys, he has an accent.

[Ellis Riven]

I thought he was not a Midwestern accent. Are you serious?

[David Imel]

Wait, don't look it up.

[Marques Brownlee]

I thought it was.

[David Imel]

Oh yeah.

[Ellis Riven]

Think about Tim Cook's accent and now think about cartoon characters.

[David Imel]

Yeah, okay, I get it. Is he really? Yeah, I guess he is. That makes sense. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, actually.

[Marques Brownlee]

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[David Imel]

Welcome back, everybody. We all know that Google could really do some stuff to make its pixels more appealing. And specifically, they could bring back features from the old Nexus days that would make it even more appealing.

[Marques Brownlee]

I can think of so many.

[David Imel]

What's your number one feature?

[Marques Brownlee]

Glowing trackball.

[David Imel]

Trackball.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, Nexus One.

[David Imel]

That would be cool. But they're not doing that.

[Chris Welch]

Oh, darn.

[Marques Brownlee]

Can I keep guessing?

[David Imel]

You can keep guessing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Boom Sound from the HTC One Play Edition.

[David Imel]

That'd be cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not that.

[David Imel]

No. Sorry.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn. Physical keyboard from the G1.

[David Imel]

You really want that?

[Marques Brownlee]

No. No, I don't. You're right. No moving parts.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, hold on.

[David Imel]

Think about something that costs $0.01 half stage.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like two stage shutter button from the Motorola Droid.

[David Imel]

That'd be sick. But they're not doing that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Damn.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not even. Like. What about an accent power button maybe? That'd be nice.

[David Imel]

I'm not sure.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, they've done a lot. Remember the Panda Pixel and then there was like a little orange power button. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was nice.

[Chris Welch]

I want that four. Bring it back.

[Marques Brownlee]

They can bring that back. Squeezing the sides. That was bad.

[David Imel]

That was bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

It was fun. It was fun.

[David Imel]

It never worked.

[Marques Brownlee]

But it didn't work as well as

[David Imel]

I was hoping it solely was. So bad. There's a video of Adam and I in Central park shooting my Pixel 4 review and just doing this and it not working. And it's so bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was an era.

[Chris Welch]

Truly the best part of that video is that the only way, for some reason that it worked was if you leaned over it specifically in this way, that made you look like a mermaid. So there's a shot where you're just, like, leaning on a rock like a

[Ellis Riven]

mermaid, waving at the phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

That was one of those, like. You see, there's so many tech demos of, like, where they try to, like, gracefully show you the feature, and they're like, boom. And it doesn't work the first time. They're like, oh, sorry, I just got to, like, do it a certain way. That was one where they would try it like, six times and it would work once maybe, and you'd go, I can tell this is gonna suck.

[David Imel]

It was so bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, okay, what is it then?

[David Imel]

Okay, it's LEDs.

[Marques Brownlee]

Multicolor LEDs?

[Chris Welch]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

For notifications. Customizable.

[David Imel]

Well, maybe customizable.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm in.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

Super in.

[David Imel]

So There was an APK APK teardown of the latest Android 17 beta 4, and there's a section in it with a whole page that specifically mentions pixel glow lights, which will alert you of important notifications when your device is face down.

[Marques Brownlee]

Pixel glow. Oh, when it's face down.

[David Imel]

Yes.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. So it's on the back.

[David Imel]

Yes, on the back. There should be a light bar.

[Marques Brownlee]

And a bar would be nice. Oh, I was picturing because, like, I. There's a couple that have had, like, pin lights or like, the glowing trackball is an example, but like a little dot. So it'd just be like the yellow lightning is.

[David Imel]

Oh, no.

[Marques Brownlee]

A bar.

[David Imel]

It's a bar. That's what it's supposed to be. So it's going to be rgb. They said that you can have it for notifications, for different types of notifications, like phone calls from different favorites, as well as it should animate while you're interacting with Gemini.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[David Imel]

Be all wavy, you know, do the thing. Wow. And I just think that that's a pretty sick feature.

[Marques Brownlee]

Tim Cook can never. This is crazy. I know. I really like this idea.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I mean, there's a long time where I was customizing Android ROMs or just had, like, you know, software settings where I could decide certain apps would glow my notification light a certain color.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So there'd be, like a light blue and a dark blue and a yellow and a green.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And so I could know what the flashing color of the light meant and I can decide to check it or not. Yeah. So this is like a. Bring that back if this is user

[David Imel]

customizable, and maybe there'll be a ROM that allows it to be user customizable. Which might bring back ROMs. Who knows? That'd be very cool. That'd be sick. I think it would really help differentiate pixel devices. They're kind of like, at that point, they're more customizable than nothing phones.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

So it's like, what's nothing got on them, you know?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. I mean, the nothing phone has the screen on the back with like a bunch of. Yeah. Like, it's this mini display and you have these apps that, you know, you get essential notifications from. It's interesting. Yeah, I think that's at least interesting. Yeah. Most phones don't have anything on the back that you can tell like, what notification you got. So I'd like another version of that. Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Can I be devil's advocate here?

[Marques Brownlee]

Sure, try.

[Chris Welch]

So what?

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll defend it. I'll be devil's devil's advocate.

[Chris Welch]

The double double.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Chris Welch]

So for the record, great idea. Bring this back. I love this, but is this just Google preying on our nostalgia? Because we have always on displays that gives us way more information. It's not the phone upside down.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

But just putting the phone up, you can see everything now. Like, we have amoled. This is like a solved problem.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's valid. I would say there's a couple things. One, I don't love always on displays. I started turning them off on a lot of phones that it kind of got annoying either. I would tap the display as I'm putting it in my pocket, and because it was always on, it would light up as I'm putting it away and I get annoyed. So I just turn it off. And I started leaving my phone face down. These are face up, sitting here, but they're not telling me anything because I turned always on display off. I would like to have them face down and just be able to know because I'm waiting for the slack notification for Wawa orders. I'm like, oh, it's the pink notification. I know. I should check this one. So, yeah. Are they playing on my nostalgia? Probably a little bit. Probably a little bit. Yeah.

[David Imel]

When I'm like, out with a friend at dinner or something, I pretty much always flip my phone upside down because I don't like that. You know, I can get a notification and it shows up. And then I think that the reason that this is a little bit better is because being able to glance and just be like, oh, it's an email. That's it. Oh, it's a text. Maybe I should check it. But not moving your attention to exactly what the Text says on the Always on display. You get very distracted when you're, like, looking at them.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. You can just be, like, ambiently aware that you got a text.

[David Imel]

Yeah. And it also helps you if you're interacting with Gemini. You know that it heard you because it's kind of waving around, you know?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

And also just we like cool, pretty colors, and that's pretty standard.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know, the back of the phone is a historically underutilized spot. Sometimes there's a fingerprint reader back there, Sometimes it's not.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sometimes there's a little display back there like the Xiaomi 17 Pro. Sometimes it's not.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So I like something back on the back.

[David Imel]

It'll be interesting to see how they, you know, keep it waterproof and everything, while also adding LEDs. I guess it'll have to be under glasses behind the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Imel]

Where do you think it's going to be on the phone?

[Marques Brownlee]

I was picturing a bar across the bottom.

[David Imel]

That'd be cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like a thin stripe type of thing.

[David Imel]

That'd be super cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

I like that.

[Chris Welch]

I think it's going to be above the Pixel bar.

[David Imel]

Like, right at the top.

[Chris Welch]

Right at the top. That little sliver there on the Pixel.

[David Imel]

I'm kind of on Team Bottom.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, careful.

[David Imel]

Nothing wrong with that, Marcus.

[Marques Brownlee]

Careful.

[David Imel]

So apparently the APK turn on.

[Chris Welch]

Also another one for the Super Cut.

[David Imel]

Also another one for the David Freaky

[Ellis Riven]

on the Pod Supercut. We watch that, by the way. If you're out there. We watch that and we laugh.

[David Imel]

I don't think most people know what that is. Okay, so the APK teardown also indicated a Pixel laptop that is going to be released. They try this every six years, and

[Marques Brownlee]

I buy it immediately.

[David Imel]

Every six years. Yeah. But what's more exciting about this is one, it's also supposed to have the Pixel Glow thing, which I'm not really sure how they're going to do. Do that, because computers are just very different with notifications.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, okay, so remember the last Pixel laptop? Yeah.

[David Imel]

The cheap one that had the pixelbook go.

[Marques Brownlee]

No. So the Pixel. God, the names. Hold on. I want to find the name of it, but it had an RGB on the back. But after the CR48. Yeah. Like the Pixel. Yeah. Laptop.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So just that again.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

But have it light up.

[David Imel]

That one didn't actually glow, right?

[Marques Brownlee]

I thought it did.

[Chris Welch]

The Chromebook Pixel.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes, that one.

[David Imel]

Chromebook Pixel.

[Marques Brownlee]

Did that one light up the no.

[Ellis Riven]

Glow Chromebook Pixel is a pixelbook. Glow pixelbook. Go with Pixel Glow.

[Chris Welch]

Oh, my God.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

It glowed.

[David Imel]

That's great. Like that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, and it had.

[David Imel]

What did it glow for?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know, but it's doing stuff.

[David Imel]

It is doing stuff.

[Marques Brownlee]

I got to rewatch my review. This is old. This is 13 years old. So old. Yeah. But yeah, it lit up. It turned off when the laptop is off, or it would light up with notifications or something on the back. So that's. That's the thing I would like them to bring back.

[David Imel]

I mean, the big question here is, like, when I have my laptop closed, I'm, like, done with it. You know what I mean? I don't need to, like, see notifications on my laptop. I already have my phone for that. But this is potentially going to be their big Android Chrome os Merger os, which means that maybe it will have a lot more direct compatibility with your phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yes. Have you ever had this moment where you pull out your laptop to use it and you open it and it's got 2% battery and it's about to die? You're like, dang, I wish I knew it was about to die. Oh, well, you know how you know.

[Ellis Riven]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is if at 10%, it just subtly, softly glowed red just sitting there closed, you go, ah, I like that. Appreciate that. Communication laptop. Okay.

[Ellis Riven]

Am I crazy?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, you used to.

[Ellis Riven]

You used to be able to do that on MacBooks.

[Marques Brownlee]

What would glow?

[Ellis Riven]

No, no, no. There was a button on the bottom of the MacBook that you could hit, and then it was sort of like the battery tester. Am I crazy?

[David Imel]

Is that true?

[Marques Brownlee]

When you say bottom, you mean. Yeah, at the bottom, under it.

[Ellis Riven]

I gotta research this. I'm having, like a.

[David Imel]

Nothing wrong with the bottom.

[Marques Brownlee]

That doesn't sound like a Mac. I don't remember a button on the bottom.

[Chris Welch]

There was a glowing Apple logo on the back of some of the early MacBooks.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, just a glowing white logo.

[Chris Welch]

Yeah, just a glowing white logo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. But it never had any functionality of it.

[David Imel]

I didn't think so.

[Chris Welch]

That's exactly what I want from my Chromebook. When the battery's about to die, use more electricity.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, it's a tiny, tiny amount. I know.

[Ellis Riven]

I'm joking.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just like, what other use case? I guess you. Maybe you could use it to invoke Gemini. Like, if it's. Because at the end of the day, they just want all of your devices to be endpoints for Google Assistant for Gemini, you know, so if you have your laptop sitting on your desk and it's your most nearby device and it has, like, always listening or something.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

If you can control your home, is

[Marques Brownlee]

that a crazy thing? So, like, what if. You know how a lot of laptops sometimes have, like, slightly thicker displays and they've put, like, compute in the top section of it. Sometimes, like, there'll be like a. I'm not crazy.

[Ellis Riven]

This existed.

[Chris Welch]

Oh, I do remember.

[Marques Brownlee]

What computer? The LE.

[Chris Welch]

The battery indicator.

[Ellis Riven]

Unlike the pre2012 MacBooks, there was a button on the left side of the computer that if you hit it would do these, like, LEDs would light up and tell you your battery percentage. I'm not crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's cool.

[David Imel]

Where were the LEDs, though?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, where's that? Where were the LEDs?

[David Imel]

The LEDs were also on the side.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh. Oh, that's the. Okay. The metal ones that. Yeah, it's like a sort of a flush button with like five dots that would all light. Up.

[David Imel]

That's cool.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't. Wow, that's a good callback. I didn't remember that at all.

[David Imel]

That is cool. They should bring that back.

[Marques Brownlee]

So, yeah, the idea of like a Gemini thing. What if there's a little bit of compute that stays on even when you close the laptop?

[David Imel]

Always listening.

[Marques Brownlee]

So that it is like a little. Always listening. Little tiny computer SOC or phone SOC or something. And you can still ask it. Hey, G. And the speakers are still in there. They're going to be muffled, but they could still respond.

[David Imel]

Totally.

[Marques Brownlee]

That could be a thing.

[David Imel]

I think that'd be sick. Or it could be side firing speakers or bottom firing speakers. So you could still hear it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Imel]

I mean, Apple has been quietly adding thread radios to all their devices. Right. I feel like Google could, like, also start adding all of these multifunctional. Multifunctional radios and stuff to their devices. Yeah. And they want you to have as many access points for Gemini as possible because they want you to use it as a lot in as many places as possible.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, they want us to use it all the time.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Was it Nest that had a thread radio in like a thermostat or something that they just turned on after X amount of years?

[David Imel]

Was the Home pod as well?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, the HomePod was silently carrying a Thread radio for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ellis Riven]

There was an Apple product that did that too, but not with Thread. No, an Apple product released with a radio that they didn't turn on until a year or so later with a firmware update.

[David Imel]

Wasn't that the.

[Marques Brownlee]

I thought I made a video about the.

[Ellis Riven]

It was the second generation iPod Touch that shipped with a Bluetooth Radio that they didn't announce or turn on until like, a year into.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's crazy. Wow, that's.

[Ellis Riven]

I really hope I remember. I'm like, my brain is filled with these, like, 2010 apple packs right now. I have to go double check all of them.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's really funny. Oh, ipod touch, though. Okay. Yeah, I guess it makes sense. I pictured my first iPad, which was like the tall nano. Yeah, that one with Bluetooth would be crazy.

[David Imel]

You probably do it now, so. Yeah, I mean, that's exciting. It doesn't take a lot to please tech reviewers. You just need to give us the RGB lights and that's it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. You know, unfortunately, I am easy to please in that way.

[David Imel]

Indeed.

[Marques Brownlee]

Indeed. All right, what is this headline about?

[David Imel]

Yeah, speaking of people who are not easy to please.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Motorola in India is suing social media platforms and dozens of content creators over things that or said about the company.

[Marques Brownlee]

Not a good look. But what. What are the details? Because maybe I'm missing something.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So it's seeking takedown of content and broader restraint for what it deems false or defamatory material related to their devices. It specifically called out that it didn't like that people had been publishing videos of their phones catching fire, which it said were fake. It was saying that these things were fake, but it wants to restrain people from suing and publishing this content, including reviews, videos, comments, and boycott campaigns.

[Marques Brownlee]

So this is the prime example of the Mandela effect, right? No, no, no. What's the if you hide something Streisand effect?

[David Imel]

Yeah, Streisand effect.

[Marques Brownlee]

I had not heard about any Motorola phones catching on fire.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And now I'm curious if they're real or not.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Seems like they're insisting that they are not, but here we are.

[David Imel]

There was someone that quoted, like, last week, it was like, there's two ways to respond to criticism. One is to make your product better, and one is to make it worse by, you know, getting aggressive. So, yeah. It alleges that there are hundreds of posts across social media that show Motorola products in a false and defamatory way. And it says that it did this lawsuit in the interest of public safety, which doesn't make a lot of sense. India is Motorola's second biggest market, which makes up about 20% of its global market share. And, you know, like, obviously people on social media, especially big phone fans, are. Can be pretty over the top sometimes, but stopping people from publishing negative reviews is not a good look. It's a very bad look. And it. It sort of tracks that They're. They're suing them in India because I think that there are probably looser, like, freedom of speech laws there. Just hope that this does not happen because, you know, I don't know. It's bad. It's bad to repressed speech.

[Chris Welch]

When I read this, I kind of. It kind of reminded me of all the different ways that, like, CEOs just respond to things. So, like, this reminded me a lot of Carl Pei with Nothing, because that's a company that has turned negative feedback into content in an interesting way. Like, we will occasionally talk bad about nothing products. And there are three things I know to be true in life, which is death, taxes, and that Carl pay will turn that into a YouTube video.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

And just make a bunch of views. Like, they turn it into content in a way that allows him a platform to respond without suing creators into oblivion.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

So I think, like, that's an interesting way of going about it. And Motorola should pay attention.

[David Imel]

Yeah. They're owned by Lenovo, as you remember, so.

[Chris Welch]

Yeah, I did not remember that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, completely forgot.

[David Imel]

I will remind you. And, yeah, it's just not a good look. You shouldn't repress people's speech, and that's bad. So we'll have to follow that lawsuit and see if anything actually comes from it. There's one other big story here.

[Marques Brownlee]

Speaking of following something, I'm gonna talk

[David Imel]

about basketball, so I hope you're proud of me. Steph Curry, you know, the King. As you know, we in the basketball industry call him.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, boy.

[Chris Welch]

The king is LeBron.

[David Imel]

Is that really?

[Ellis Riven]

There is another player who's.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll stop you when you say something. I'll stop you if you say anything crazy. But you're on the right track so far.

[David Imel]

Okay. Well, he, you know, plays for the Golden State Warriors. You know, he's been playing for them for a while. He's so good with his accuracy. When he shoots the ball, it usually goes in the. The circle, the hoop. It's kind of crazy how many times he can get it in there.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep, Yep.

[David Imel]

So also was an investor in Palm. I met him during my Palm briefing, and he was wearing it as a necklace.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Anyway, the NBA is very deeply rooted in Google sponsorship. They do a lot of pixel stuff. Famously, a couple of the NBA stars use pixels every day, and they say they actually like it. Even though people don't think they do. They really do they really? Maybe. Do they really do they really say that? They do.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

And we have been hearing these rumors of a new Fitbit Coming out. That's supposed to compete with Whoop. Because, remember, here on the Waveform podcast, we hate Whoop down with that company.

[Marques Brownlee]

We have Whoop haters.

[David Imel]

We are whoop haters. Certified. Andrew's not here to defend himself and so famously loves.

[Marques Brownlee]

Loves.

[David Imel]

I mean, he. Andrew's obsessed with this guy.

[Marques Brownlee]

We always dunk on Whoop and he's, like, sticking up for them. But, yeah, he's not here for that.

[David Imel]

So if you don't know what a whoop is, it's. Imagine a smartwatch without the watch. It's the watch band, but it's thicker. And the idea is, like, you don't want to wear a smartwatch, but it gives you deeper analytics about your body. It's got all these different data points, and they're suing, like, a smaller app company because they think that they stole a lot of their data points. It's very stupid, but it's like if you.

[Ellis Riven]

If you wanted all the. The benefits of an OURA ring, but you needed people to know you were wearing an aura.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's kind of a sad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, you can wear a whoop under your sleeve or, like, hide it if you want to.

[David Imel]

Yeah, you got to get, like, an accessory for that, I think, to wear, like, on your chest.

[Chris Welch]

I'm gonna do a weird pivot here because over the weekend, Man City beat Arsenal. So it was a very hard day for me as an Arsenal fan. But at the end of it, Holland, who's one of the great players in Man City, ripped off his shirt, ran onto the field wearing a whoop band, and I was like, he's allowed to play with that.

[David Imel]

How well is that? Are they not allowed to play with those things?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know. I guess. So it's under. If it's under your shirt. Yeah, no, that's fine.

[David Imel]

But they can't play it if it's over your shirt.

[Ellis Riven]

Guys, I don't know if you know this. You play soccer with your feet. So I think.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think, okay, so I play. I play a sport where before every game, they line all the players up, they do the national anthem, and then they go down the refs, go down the line. And if any player has on any wristband or jewelry or necklace or anything that could get caught on a finger and, like, pull.

[David Imel]

That makes sense.

[Marques Brownlee]

They tell you to take it off.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you can wear it under your sleeve. You can wear it somewhere where it's not going to get caught, but then if it is out, you got to take it off.

[Chris Welch]

I have A question about that.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

I currently have a bracelet that I cannot take off.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[Chris Welch]

What happens in this case?

[Marques Brownlee]

They will take tape and tape it to your wrist fully so I can't get caught with, like, a finger.

[David Imel]

Why can't you take it off?

[Chris Welch]

Because it was one of those things where they, like, zap it in place and it's there forever. Yeah, it's one of those braces.

[David Imel]

You did that?

[Chris Welch]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's other people that have that. Yeah. They're like. Or they just refuse to take it off or whatever it is, so they just get it taped on.

[David Imel]

Whoa. Yeah. You did that to yourself.

[Marques Brownlee]

Never taking it off.

[Chris Welch]

It's just a bracelet.

[David Imel]

It's like being chained to something for your whole life, kind of.

[Marques Brownlee]

To what?

[David Imel]

To the chain, I guess. Anyway, that's like a tattoo, bro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay. Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Well, yeah, I have none of those.

[David Imel]

Okay, fair point. Fair point. Anyway, back to Steph Curry, you know, the King, as we like to call him in the basketball world.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't want to stop you. I'm gonna keep. Yeah, it's fine.

[David Imel]

You know, he shoots a lot of hoops, so he's got. He's been wearing this un. Unidentified Fitbit device for many months. You know, there have been articles that have been coming out. That's just, like, little glimpses of him wearing it. But then Kellen at DroidLife shout out to Kellen, one of the most OG phone YouTubers there are.

[Marques Brownlee]

OG legend.

[David Imel]

In 2012, I had push bullet notifications for every article that Cillen wrote. Life pretty sick. He's still going strong. He decided to get a little bit obsessed with this because he's a huge basketball fan. And, you know, as we. As we all are here in the

[Chris Welch]

Wayport podcast, he's specifically a Trailblazers fan because he's in Portland.

[David Imel]

That's tough. Okay. Yeah, that's been tough. Well, he analyzed a ton of Instagram videos, YouTube videos, and there was even one other thing. Just a lot of videos on the Internet.

[Chris Welch]

And Getty Images.

[David Imel]

Getty images of Steph Curry over the last, like, since February, effectively. And he was able to catch multiple, multiple, multiple glimpses of Steph Curry wearing this unannounced Fitbit band that is supposed to compete with whoop. It is much thinner than a whoop. It kind of just looks like a pixel watch band, but it's slightly thicker at the top. And Steph Curry never wears it during the games. I'm guessing for the same reason that you can't wear bracelets and stuff.

[Marques Brownlee]

He never wears it Visibly during the games. But there could be a chest strap or some random. Yeah, maybe accessory, maybe.

[David Imel]

Yeah. But there are multiple screenshots of him wearing it out and about. There is even an image that Kellen caught where he has an app open on his phone that appears to be sort of like a new redesign. Oh, I watched that video.

[Marques Brownlee]

I didn't even catch that. Damn, that's good.

[David Imel]

That's crazy.

[Chris Welch]

Hiding in plain sight.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So I imagine that, you know, it's been months since this has been kind of being leaked, and I feel like Google's leaking this on purpose at this point.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Honestly, this, to me, is the best case scenario. I imagine he's invested in Fitbit or some, like, a lot of Golden State warriors players. California team are connected with a lot of California companies, so there's a lot of tech connections. So I wouldn't be shocked if he's invested in this company or something like that.

[David Imel]

Maybe it's just Google. There's some.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, for sure. Or they have some partnership, whatever it is. And so Steph organically deciding to wear this for weeks and weeks before it comes out is the best possible endorsement of the product. To me, it's solid contract. Elite athlete chooses to use this product before it comes out, before he's probably gonna get paid to do a commercial or whatever about it. He's gonna be able to actually say he's been using it and probably actually like, really uses it and cares. Yeah. So I. Yeah, it's just free promo for them. Google stuff leaks already anyway, all the time. So here we are.

[David Imel]

Yeah, but it looks good. I personally, I would love something like this that gives you all the analytics, but that you can put on any watch. Cause it looks like it's just a watch band size with a slightly thicker top.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, the puck, that's where it's measuring everything.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Yeah. But if they were able to put that in the bottom part and then

[Marques Brownlee]

you could just wear a regular watch

[David Imel]

on the top, I think that would be sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

Or maybe even, like, clip a watch to it. I don't know how that would work, but I guess you maybe could.

[David Imel]

Yeah, maybe you could just sew a watch.

[Chris Welch]

My problem with putting it on the bottom of a watch band is that not all watches are meant for, like, sports and stuff.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

So if you're, like, wearing a watch that you don't want to smash into a wall, you know, I wouldn't want to have my tracker on the bottom of that. Yeah, having an option would be nice.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Well, it looks Very googly. It kind of is just like this. I don't even know. Do you know how to describe. Can you describe this? It's like.

[Marques Brownlee]

So it looks like the. What's that Apple watch band called? It's like the trail loop. Trail loop. It looks like a trail loop band but without the Apple watch. And instead it just has this small puck under it. If you've seen Meta's wristband for their glasses, it kind of has like roughly that amount and it's on the back of your wrist where the watch would be.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So no screen, no time. Again, it seems weird to people who don't use it, but a lot of people don't want a screen on their wrist. So it just has long battery and it just sits there and measures your stuff and you check the app when you want to see the info and. Yeah, they're finally going to compete in that space.

[David Imel]

It's funny how out in the open he has been with this though. Like there's an image of him giving an interview.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Press conference, press conference.

[David Imel]

And he's just got it on.

[Marques Brownlee]

Love that.

[David Imel]

Crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Have you guys used the new Fitbit coach thing?

[David Imel]

No. But you've been using it, right?

[Chris Welch]

I've been using it. I really like it.

[David Imel]

Really?

[Chris Welch]

But to this product's credit, it pretty much only works with Fitbit devices and. Or my Pixel Watch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

And I don't wear my Pixel Watch every day. Because it's a Pixel watch.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

It's like, it's fine, but it's not the one that I'm like, I'm usually wearing like a real watch. So this is like. I'm actually very interested in something like this because Fitbit back in the day to me was this. It was just a random little tracker that pretty much everyone would walk into Best Buy and Buy, you can swap out the bands and everything like that. Then they started getting like a little bit more smarter and smarter and all this stuff. But like the core of what Fitbit always was to me was just this little tracker. So if I can just have the little tracker with these in depth analytics that you get from something like the Pixel Watch, I think that would be pretty interesting.

[Marques Brownlee]

That'd be a win. I have a longer battery life too.

[David Imel]

Yeah. When I, when I worked at intel, like they, they were only like 30 bucks at the time to get the like little pedometer Fitbits that you could literally put in your shoe.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

And then people would be able to. And then we had like walking competitions, which is so funny. Because it's like, who can get the least work done? Which nobody until gets work done anyway.

[Marques Brownlee]

Allegedly.

[Chris Welch]

This is going to be called Fitbit Air. That's what I think. 9 to 5. Google found that interesting. Can we come up with different names? That's my other. Yeah, I think it is.

[Marques Brownlee]

There's Airs Air means light, pro, Promax, Foop, Fitbit. See, the thing about Fitbit, Fitbit's a good name for a product, but it's their company name now.

[David Imel]

Google Fitbit.

[Marques Brownlee]

So you can't call it the Fitbit. That would be a good thing to call this. Yeah, you gotta call it Fitbit something.

[David Imel]

Fitbit Loop, maybe that could. Yeah, Fitbit Band.

[Marques Brownlee]

They'll think of something. This Steph Curry, also The king is LeBron. So that's just the one. Correction, I'll have.

[David Imel]

So what do we call him?

[Marques Brownlee]

We can call him the Chef.

[David Imel]

The Chef?

[Chris Welch]

I thought he was the goat.

[David Imel]

What's a chef?

[Marques Brownlee]

That's. I mean, he's some people's goat, but

[Ellis Riven]

he is frequently referred to as Chef Curry.

[David Imel]

Why?

[Ellis Riven]

Because his full name is Chefon

[Marques Brownlee]

and he'd be cooking out there.

[David Imel]

Because he's cooking.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, that's good. Chef Kerry with the pot.

[David Imel]

Is that real? Is that a real thing? People say?

[Marques Brownlee]

Trust me. Yes. Yeah, no, it's great. All right, last thing I want to do before we take a quick break is I want to show you guys something. And I just want to make sure I'm not crazy before I crash out about this. So check Slack, okay? Check the waveform Slack channel. And I want you to open this Dropbox link and just watch this quick minute long video. And once you're done watching it, just let me know.

[David Imel]

Is there sound?

[Marques Brownlee]

You don't need the sound. Okay, you can see this is The Oppo find X9 Ultra.

[Chris Welch]

David, you want to describe what you're seeing.

[David Imel]

All right, so this is the Oppo X9 Ultra Find X9 Ultra case. Whoa. Okay, so it's the phone and then it's like a giant accessory case. Looks like it's for photography stuff. The case that is next to it is like insanely rugged looking. They slap the case on the phone, it makes it basically an otterbox.

[Chris Welch]

It looks like a small rig had a baby with an otterbox.

[David Imel]

They put. Oh, there's like a front attachment that locks in. So it's like fully encased in this case. This is like an outdoor, crazy outdoor setup. Okay, now he's got basically what looks like a gimbal attachment or something. Oh, no, it's a shooting grip attachment that plugs into the phone. Looks very rog, to be honest. And then they attach a filter attachment to it so they can put, like, an ND filter, a variable ND on there. That's kind of cool. Yeah, it's variable ND they're spinning it around.

[Chris Welch]

Okay, now they hear what Marquez is going to say.

[David Imel]

Now they touch a cooling fan. Oh, now they attach a left hand grip for some reason. Oh, now they attach a cold shoe. Oh. Okay, now they're attaching a quick release for a. Okay, it was for a tripod. And now. Oh, my God. What is this? Oh, there's a giant Hasselblad box. Oh, no. Does this get crazier? Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay, there's a really, really big Hasselblad lens attachment that comes with, like, a tripod mount. You have to put a lens adapter on in order to. Oh, my God.

[Chris Welch]

Oh, my God.

[David Imel]

This looks so intense. Insane. What is this?

[Ellis Riven]

The final render at the end doesn't have the lens tripod mount on it.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it comes off. It's a collar. It comes off.

[David Imel]

So this just looks like a Terminator situation.

[Chris Welch]

Okay, just tell me they sent this to you and you have all of this in the other room.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, so.

[David Imel]

What in the world?

[Marques Brownlee]

So I watched this and my first thought is, what are we doing, though? For real? For real. I don't have a price tag on this, but I'm assuming if you are willing to buy this flagship phone, eight, $9,000 phone, whatever, and you're also going to buy the lens and the battery grip and the cold shoe and the cooling fan and the lens adapter and the lens and the tripod and all this stuff to go shoot with your phone. You clearly really care about the quality of the work that you're making. So why are you using your phone? Still spend all of that on a cheap camera that will do better than whatever you're about to shoot on your phone. This is not a dis on the camera on the phone. It's a really good phone camera. But physics is still real and you can still get much better footage out of a dedicated camera, plus better audio, plus better codecs, et cetera. So I think there's a Goldilocks zone to how much it's acceptable to improve your phone camera before you're just going too far and you should just use a camera, you know, Is that valid? I think that's this is too far.

[David Imel]

I think that the only acceptable use of, like, really, really trying to improve your Phone camera as much as possible is if you are going to make phone native content. Right. Because the biggest annoyance of using a dedicated camera to shoot content that is going to be on phones is that you have to move all of the data to your phone eventually. So the one plus for this, the oppo for this is that I guess they're the same company is that you know if you're gonna shoot like a reel or something, all the footage is right there. If you're editing on your phone, it's right there. But at, but then at that point it's like this is clearly doesn't look like it's for reels. This looks like it's for like a feature film.

[Marques Brownlee]

They've got it sideways.

[Ellis Riven]

This is gonna be so hard to like. You would have to take all of this off your phone to begin editing.

[David Imel]

This is unless you do it on your edit.

[Marques Brownlee]

This is like a 90 second process

[Ellis Riven]

to like trying to even hold your phone in a way that's comfortable to edit.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh yeah.

[Ellis Riven]

The footage you would need a disc

[David Imel]

disassemble this whole package instead of just

[Marques Brownlee]

blipping the photos to yourself. This is like. Yeah, it's like you decide you want to get this shot or however many shots or this whole shoot you're about to do, you have to go through this like two minute process of like assembling your phone rig which valid you have a rig, you're going to get pretty footage. But you could spend two seconds turning on a regular camera and just start getting footage.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

And I just think, yeah, this is, this is in the valley between like good phone footage and regular camera footage.

[David Imel]

You know how you have that analogy of like VR headsets and like glasses and how they're both trying to move towards each other. Yeah, this is like smartphone and camera both trying to move towards each other. Except the smartphone went way too far over the line.

[Marques Brownlee]

It really has.

[David Imel]

Cause cameras have, they are now cameras that you can buy that are just all in one. They have really good mic pickup mics. They have really good quality stabilization. They're small, they have really good stabilization codecs. It's just all in one like really quick short form content or YouTube video content cameras. Yeah. And that's moved towards the smartphone line. But this just went way over the line.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think it's way over. Yeah.

[David Imel]

This is crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, it's insane.

[David Imel]

Other problem is if you spend like you're gonna spend like $800 on the accessories alone on like it's probably a thousand dollar phone and you spend $800 on the accessories and then you can never upgrade your phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. Once you move phones, you're like, well, I guess I don't use any of this stuff anymore.

[David Imel]

It's useless now. Like it's.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

At least with a dedicated camera, like the glass is always going to be relevant because they always use the same mount. Most of the accessories can be used on any camera because it's all universal. No, this can only be used with the Oppo Find X9 Ultra. Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

Which by the way, weird small rig cage aside, the phone is beautiful.

[Marques Brownlee]

The phone is really good without stuff on it.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

When you take all the other stuff off, the phone itself is like aesthetically gorgeous.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. By the time you watch this, our video on it is up. It's called. So this is peak smartphone. Because smartphones are just, we've gotten to the point where they're so good that they're good at everything already and any differentiating factor is really just preference. Yeah, I think that's my take basically on this. And so when you look at like what do we want from a good smartphone screen? Well, I don't know. I just want it to be bright enough and good looking enough that I can see it all the time and it just looks good all the time. Okay. Well, it is. It's a high refresh rate, super bright OLED that gets to 144Hz and will go down to 1Hz and has high frequency PWM dimming and it just looks awesome all the time. So success. Yeah. What about battery? Oh, I don't know. I just hope it never dies on me. Okay. 7,000 milliamp hours and silicon carbon and it's like it'll charge at 100 watts if it ever dies. All right, mission accomplished. You kind of go down the line. We've done everything. Cameras are the last thing they're trying this stuff. They're putting huge 200 megapixel sensors in there. They take good smartphone photos all the time, but they're never gonna take good, you know, high level camera photos. So it's just like this is good smartphone photography. And there it is. Yeah, that's a great phone.

[Chris Welch]

I have a question for you.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

If the accessories and the lens and everything was able to be adjusted to fit future phones, would that change your opinion on it?

[Marques Brownlee]

That would improve it, but it would still feel like you're kind of spending too much time on. Cause the thing about a smartphone camera is it's convenient to just pull out the camera, open the app and get the shot or just get the videos. That's the strength, is versatility. So if you're throwing away all the versatility to get this super good quality, then why not just get the super good quality? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, just get the camera, and it's actually more versatile again because it takes two seconds to boot it up and just start shooting. So you're taking the strength of the smartphone, which is versatility. You're throwing it all away to, like, clip this case on, clip the lens mount on, clip the lens on, get the collar on the lens, do all this stuff, and by that point, you aren't. You're getting better footage. But, like, you could just get a

[David Imel]

camera, but it probably costs the same amount as like, an $800 all in one Sony vlogging camera, which is gonna beat this. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

So.

[David Imel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty insane.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm glad. I'm glad I'm not alone in this.

[David Imel]

That's pretty insane.

[Marques Brownlee]

Anyway, go watch that video. It's The Oppo find X9 Ultra. Really good phone, obviously, great camera, but people are going too far.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, we'll take a quick break. And before we do that, one more

[David Imel]

time, trivia something that's universal across every waveform episode.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's good.

[Chris Welch]

Nice.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's good.

[Chris Welch]

Where in the world is Tim Cook from?

[Marques Brownlee]

Dang.

[David Imel]

Do you need the city?

[Chris Welch]

City and state, please.

[David Imel]

Okay, I think I might know.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think.

[David Imel]

I think. I know.

[Marques Brownlee]

I know. But you guys said stuff before that makes me think I'm wrong now.

[Ellis Riven]

I have a good hint if you need it later.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll take a hint.

[Ellis Riven]

I'll wait to the.

[Marques Brownlee]

I think the hint has something to do with someone in the studio here.

[David Imel]

I don't think we need it.

[Marques Brownlee]

No. All right, then I'm not gonna be right.

[David Imel]

Chicago.

[Marques Brownlee]

All right, well, we'll either be right or we'll learn something. That's it. We'll be right back.

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[David Imel]

Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back. Welcome back.

[Ellis Riven]

Hey, welcome back.

[David Imel]

I like that Marquez has to get

[Ellis Riven]

on a plane in an hour and a half.

[David Imel]

An hour.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'll be on the plane in an

[Chris Welch]

hour and a half.

[David Imel]

Okay.

[Marques Brownlee]

It'll be great.

[David Imel]

Well, you. Yeah, I guess so. Okay. We're going to speed through these because Marques has to get on a plane in an hour and a half. Yeah. Nerd. So there's. We Talked about the GoPro cameras last week. It was pretty crazy. They have new cameras out. The Mission 1. There's a Mission 1 Pro and there's a Mission 1 ILS lens system. We now have prices for these GoPros. Ellis is very excited about using them for lenses. He's Yihan over there. So now we got the prices. The Mission 1 599.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

The Mission 1 Pro 699.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

And the Mission 1 Pro ILS 699. But these are all discounted by $100 if you have a GoPro subscription, which I didn't know what that meant.

[Chris Welch]

That subscription gets you, David.

[David Imel]

I had to look it up. It is cloud storage. It kind of makes automated little videos for you based on your footage.

[Marques Brownlee]

A GoPro. So subscription.

[David Imel]

Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

[Ellis Riven]

It's a warranty program, too.

[David Imel]

It's also a warranty program.

[Ellis Riven]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

Insurance. Insurance type program.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know how there's like the beastification of YouTube? Is this the Apple ification of tech companies? A GoPro subscription.

[David Imel]

Everyone needs recurring revenue.

[Marques Brownlee]

You can. It's basically like you're a hardware company, but you need more recurring Revenue. So you just bundle together some things that would work well with your hardware. I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but wow, a GoPro.

[David Imel]

I think it's a bad idea.

[Chris Welch]

There's no money in selling something. You gotta sell it a hundred times.

[Ellis Riven]

I don't know how the subscription works, but if the camera is able to auto upload to this cloud storage.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, no, I'm sure It's very clever.

[Ellis Riven]

GoPros find themselves in situations where they become former GoPros often, you know, and so being able to know that footage is in the cloud. Not bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah. GoPro subscription.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

What do we think? Wait, what's. So far there's a Mission one and a Mission one Pro. What is the hundred dollar difference between those cameras?

[David Imel]

Mostly based around the types of like the frame rates that they can record. So like 4K 240 FPS versus 4K 120. You get 8K 60 on the Pro versus 8K 30 on the regular one.

[Marques Brownlee]

The Pro has more processing power. It can handle higher frame rates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[David Imel]

So that's the main difference.

[Marques Brownlee]

I still really want to shoot with them. I just got to see how good the footage is because we just showed you that insane rig with the phone with the oppo and like this is going to be. You could get one of these and probably get really good footage from it and it'll just be like a one button click.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I would rather have this than the phone.

[Marques Brownlee]

So yeah, we'll. We'll have to get some and shoot

[David Imel]

with them and see much smaller.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay.

[David Imel]

We got some iPhone. Colorful, colorful iPhone Pro rumors. So instead of just the.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, I love this.

[David Imel]

Yeah. So the rumors are that the iPhone Pro is going to come in this light Blue.

[Marques Brownlee]

Don't care.

[David Imel]

Pantone 2121 mm. Dark cherry.

[Marques Brownlee]

Kind of don't care either.

[David Imel]

What is wrong with you, Marcus? This is crazy.

[Marques Brownlee]

Keep going.

[David Imel]

Silver.

[Marques Brownlee]

Don't care.

[David Imel]

Dark gray.

[Marques Brownlee]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That looks. And you saw the renders. Yes, yes, yes, please. Oh my God. Give me a dark neutral.

[Ellis Riven]

You're like a Staten island mom picking out the color of her car. Like, ew. Any semblance of saturation, get it out of here.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's just the best looking one. And you know what's funny? These are actually very popular car colors. Silver, light blue, dark cherry, which is kind of like the burgundy car you see everywhere. And then black. The only other popular colors I've seen are like white and beige. Yeah, no, this is gonna look good.

[David Imel]

I think the silver actually looks sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

The thing is, Ellis, I shoot a lot of car videos for autofocus on the phone.

[Ellis Riven]

I get it.

[Marques Brownlee]

And the color of the iPhone reflects in every screen in the car every time. And I've had an orange iPhone for many of these videos. And I pointed at that CarPlay screen, and there is just orange hitting me back in the camera lens, and I can't take it anymore. I need. And the blue one, it's close, but just give me a black.

[David Imel]

That dark cherry. Purple is pretty fire. I'm not gonna lie.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's Ight.

[Chris Welch]

Look, I had two questions here.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

One, does this mean orange is dead?

[Marques Brownlee]

Yep.

[David Imel]

Yep.

[Chris Welch]

Forever.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, that's it. It'll come back in, like, five years.

[David Imel]

Purple is the new orange.

[Chris Welch]

So this is nice. So this is like a. That was a celebrity color.

[Ellis Riven]

Wait, no.

[David Imel]

Literally.

[Ellis Riven]

Oh, no, it doesn't work. I would say orange is the new black, but black is the new.

[Marques Brownlee]

Black is the new orange. That's even better.

[David Imel]

Well, I don't think it's black.

[Chris Welch]

Second, is the Space Gray name dead?

[Marques Brownlee]

Is that still available for iPhone?

[David Imel]

You can buy it on the MacBook is still space gray.

[Chris Welch]

MacBook is still space Gray.

[Marques Brownlee]

Is it not Space black now?

[David Imel]

Oh, my. Be Space Black.

[Ellis Riven]

No, I thought space Space black is a different color, though.

[David Imel]

Yeah, you're right.

[Ellis Riven]

Space gray is.

[David Imel]

I have the Space Black MacBook Pro.

[Marques Brownlee]

Space Black, right. Yeah, same. I think it's called space black now, but they.

[David Imel]

Do they not Also because space is.

[Marques Brownlee]

You know what's funny? We talked about this in an earlier episode. Space is gray.

[Ellis Riven]

No, space is mocha.

[David Imel]

Cosmic latte.

[Marques Brownlee]

It's not fully black is the point.

[David Imel]

Cosmic latte. We talked about this. The average color of the universe.

[Marques Brownlee]

What is this? What is this iPhone? Air color? Is it just. It's not black.

[David Imel]

It's probably just black.

[Ellis Riven]

They would never call something black.

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know.

[David Imel]

They might.

[Ellis Riven]

They would call it ambient stillness. I don't know. That was bad.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay, so the MacBook Pro is space black.

[Chris Welch]

So is the iPhone Air.

[Marques Brownlee]

IPhone Air is space black. Yeah.

[Chris Welch]

So that's it, right? Yeah, that's why I saw the leak. And I was like, oh, okay, Space gray is back. And then I read it, and I was like, wait.

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, they could still call it space gray.

[Chris Welch]

I mean, it could, but what is

[David Imel]

it supposed to be?

[Marques Brownlee]

Dark gray.

[Chris Welch]

Yeah, it's just dark gray. Like, it's black. Dark gray. Whatever. But, like, I, like, I don't know. Maybe I've been like, Apple pilled, but I liked Space Gray as a name.

[Marques Brownlee]

I was like that.

[Chris Welch]

Yeah, that's cool.

[David Imel]

I feel like it's too reminiscent of the Jony I've era. For me, we need to move past it, you know.

[Marques Brownlee]

Interesting.

[David Imel]

Yeah. Okay, so now that Marques has to board in one hour and 20 minutes, we got to talk about this Huawei Pura X Max Foldy boy that they just launched Huawei huaw. Why? Because they want to get ahead of Apple.

[Ellis Riven]

They want to get a Hua. No, that doesn't work. They want to get way Huawei ahead.

[David Imel]

Huawei way ahead of Apple. Yes. We first saw rumors and leaks of this last week, but now we have specs and pricing. It is a short boy. It's a short king 5.4 inches cover display with 3500 nit brightness. So very short phone. It's definitely the passport style. Short king 7.7 inch internal display, 3300 nits. Both support 120Hz LTPO. It's got that homegrown Kirin 9030 Pro chip, 5300 milliamp hour battery. Wish that was bigger.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah.

[David Imel]

66 watt wired charging and 50 watt wireless charging. 50 megapixel main, 50 megapixel tele, 12.5 megapixel ultra wide. I just love triple cameras. That there are triple cameras. The iPhone's not gonna do that. And that's really sad because I really wish they would. Supports Huawei's M Pen 3 mini stylus, so you can use it as a little notebook thing. $1,600 for the 12 gigabyte, 250 gigabyte version, 256 gigabyte version. $1,800 for the 512 gigabyte version. And $2,000 for 16 gigs of RAM and 1 terabyte of storage. Really expensive phone for sure.

[Marques Brownlee]

As will the rest of these be.

[David Imel]

As will the rest of these be. So, you know, yeah, it looks just like kind of the iPhone is gonna look probably, but it's got more cameras.

[Ellis Riven]

You left one thing out about this exciting new announcement from Huawei.

[David Imel]

The colors.

[Ellis Riven]

No, that unlike most Huawei products, the Verge article, I think that reported whichever article is linked in the show doc said that it is unclear whether it'll come out outside of China. So we might actually be able to get a global quote, unquote, global minus

[David Imel]

United States version if it comes to. Yeah, yeah. It could come to European or it could not. Or it could not.

[Ellis Riven]

Unclear.

[David Imel]

That's true.

[Ellis Riven]

I hope it does.

[David Imel]

You know, it is clear What? The thing that we do at the end of every trivia. I mean, the end of every podcast episode, I guess.

[Ellis Riven]

Yeah. There's not much more we can really say about this at the moment.

[David Imel]

No.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

No.

[David Imel]

Unless there's been breaking news. There hasn't been. I don't think.

[Ellis Riven]

But I do need to address something real quick, because certain video viewers may have been wondering why I'm literally decked out. Head to toe in Philadelphia 76 is cure. Head to toe is not an exaggeration. I've got the socks.

[David Imel]

Oh, my. Oh, they're on your head and on your toes.

[Marques Brownlee]

This man is committed.

[Ellis Riven]

Head to toe. And that is because. Oh, my God, my leg is cramping from that move.

[Marques Brownlee]

Wow.

[David Imel]

I need to stretch more.

[Ellis Riven]

Tonight, the Philadelphia 76ers play game two against the Boston Celtics. Last game, we lost by 30 points. And I realize that is my fault. I. I did not do enough to cheer on this team. So for the next 15 seconds or so, this is a Philadelphia 76ers podcast. Tyrese Maxey is a dog. Kelly Oubre is a dog. Vijay Edgecombe, dog. These boys are gonna take us all the way to the NBA Finals, baby. And if you don't believe you're not a friend of mine, go Sixers forever.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm really sorry about that. What are we gonna do when they get swept, bro?

[Ellis Riven]

If they get. You know, honestly, like, I thought about it. I was like, how will I emotionally recover from a sweep? Because I have been through Philadelphia 76ers fans. I will make the statement, have been through more than any other fan base in the NBA, especially in the last 10 years. The amount of, like, insane stats that are just emotionally punishing.

[Marques Brownlee]

Like, every sports fans believes this about their own team, by the way.

[Ellis Riven]

I know, but have you. Our star player has gotten sick for four out of the last seven. Like, not injured sick.

[Marques Brownlee]

That's a bummer.

[Ellis Riven]

You know what I mean? For four. Like. Like the fact that we continually have to play the Boston Celtics, both of whom star players we had the ability to draft and didn't.

[Marques Brownlee]

You could be. You could be a Knicks fan, okay?

[Ellis Riven]

But the Knicks owner isn't literally in the Epstein files. Like, I. There's there's just, like, so many things that. It's just like this fan base. And then I realized, fan. This is what being a Sixers fan is all about. Any of us could jump ship at any point, but we want the chaotic ride, baby. We want Kelly Oubre getting hit by a car two weeks after joining the team, okay? We Want Joel Embiid showing up.

[Chris Welch]

No.

[Ellis Riven]

Kelly Oubre, Please don't hit by another car. But it's like, I love you, Kelly Oubre. Man, your eyes are so beautiful. Tsunami. Poppy, you're, like, literally my favorite guy. Please just stay off the bicycle in Center City for a little bit. What's Tim Cook's favorite soda? Pop?

[David Imel]

Oh, yeah. Wait, wasn't this the second question?

[Ellis Riven]

The first question.

[David Imel]

Oh,

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't even know. Sodas.

[Chris Welch]

Soda. You know you're my soda pop.

[David Imel]

Yeah, I feel. I feel like you'd know that intrinsically. Marquez, you love K Pop. Dan Hunters.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but doesn't mean I name sodas. I don't know anything about sodas. Here we go. I thought of one.

[Ellis Riven]

Who wants to read first?

[Marques Brownlee]

I. I'll read mine.

[David Imel]

Yeah.

[Marques Brownlee]

Orange Crush. Yeah. That's a real soda, right? Yeah, Yeah.

[David Imel]

I wrote Pepsi.

[Ellis Riven]

Oh, it is a Pepsi product, though.

[David Imel]

Oh, really?

[Ellis Riven]

Because according to the Wall Street Journal, Kim Cook's favorite soda is Diet Mountain Dew, the least Tim Cook soda imaginable.

[David Imel]

I didn't even know they made Diet Mountain Dew.

[Ellis Riven]

And of course, like, Andrew is not here today.

[David Imel]

That's crazy.

[Chris Welch]

All right, follow up question. Where is Tim Cook from? This is a Tim Cook podcast Today,

[Ellis Riven]

for obvious reasons, my hint is that it is arguably the most hilarious city in America for a phone executive to be from.

[Marques Brownlee]

Good hint.

[David Imel]

Really good hint.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm wrong. I can't think of. I can't even think of an answer for that.

[David Imel]

I feel like that'd be weed. California.

[Ellis Riven]

That would be pretty funny. But this specifically for a smartphone executive. Yeah, the way funnier.

[Chris Welch]

Flip them. And, Reed, what do we got?

[Marques Brownlee]

I don't know. Paris, Texas.

[David Imel]

I wrote Dallas, Texas. Is it Houston?

[Chris Welch]

No. So before I tell you how wrong you guys are, quick update on the score. Marquez with 21, Andrew with 22.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'd like to stay at 21.

[Chris Welch]

David in the lead with 26. The answer. Mobile, Alabama.

[David Imel]

I thought I said it was the south, and you guys said it wasn't.

[Ellis Riven]

No, you said the Midwest.

[David Imel]

What's the difference? Where's the bar? How far south the bar is in

[Ellis Riven]

both places, actually, famously Mobile.

[Marques Brownlee]

Oh, I get it.

[David Imel]

Mobile.

[Ellis Riven]

Like, because it's spelled Mobile.

[Marques Brownlee]

Mobile. Mobile.

[David Imel]

That's pretty funny.

[Marques Brownlee]

Alabama.

[Ellis Riven]

That's good, right?

[David Imel]

That's good. Good hint.

[Ellis Riven]

Good hint from Ellis.

[David Imel]

You know?

[Marques Brownlee]

Well, we learned two new things about Tim Cook. Maybe next time we'll learn some new things about John Ternus or even some other CEOs. Who knows? Could get really fun. Definitely. Stay tuned for your regular scheduled programming. And that bonus episode that Andrew is in exactly half of. And yeah, go watch the Apple Find X9.

[Ellis Riven]

This is actually a technology jersey, too.

[Marques Brownlee]

Okay? It's got the threads in it or something.

[Ellis Riven]

Because it's an AI Jersey.

[Marques Brownlee]

An AI AI Jersey. No more puns, Ellis.

[David Imel]

Is that Allen Iverson?

[Ellis Riven]

Allen Iverson. That's AI, baby.

[David Imel]

All right, we'll be right back. See you next week. Wait, I just went real quick. Subscribe so you can turn us into one the of the top podcasts in the world. Sorry. I had to do it.

[Marques Brownlee]

I'm sorry.

[Ellis Riven]

Bingo. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Riven. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast network. And our intro outro music is by Vane Sill and Go Sixers.

[David Imel]

Let's go. Bingo.

[Marques Brownlee]

Sick.

[David Imel]

All right. Get on your flame. All right. Street Light just announced the album will be up before June 12th.

[Marques Brownlee]

Yeah, but what about GTA 6?

[David Imel]

I don't know about that.