Unpacking Samsung Galaxy Unpacked 2025!

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode: Unpacking Samsung Galaxy Unpacked 2025!

Date: July 11, 2025
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel
Podcast Network: Vox Media Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Marques, Andrew, David, and the team break down everything unveiled at Samsung’s Galaxy Unpacked 2025 event, including the new Fold 7, Flip 7, Watch 8, Watch 8 Ultra, and the Flip FE. They critique Samsung’s event presentation, discuss what’s actually new and notable about the hardware, and debate whether Samsung’s iterative approach is keeping up with the competition. They also review some other current devices—the Nothing Phone 3 and Fairphone 6—poke fun at crustacean-themed marketing, and use Formula 1 and sports analogies to contextualize the tech world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nothing Phone 3 and “The Lobster” Analogy

(00:44 – 19:03)

• Marques’s Review: The Nothing Phone 3 is uniquely designed but expensive for its specs ($799). Marques applied the "carcinization" analogy (phones turning into crabs) and called the Nothing Phone 3 a “lobster”—it’s different, stands out design-wise, but doesn’t quite justify flagship pricing.
• Social Media Reactivity: The Nothing team playfully embraced Marques’s “lobster” analogy. “One of them made it their bio. The, like, username… said, ‘People will eventually get it. Lobster.’” (05:54 – Andrew)
• PWM Dimming Correction: Marquis corrects an earlier spec; the Nothing Phone 3 has 960Hz PWM dimming (not 2160Hz).

  "They said there have been a change to the PWM dimming rate… So we have prioritized picture quality for the final retail software." (09:10 – Marques)

• Main Critique: Price is the primary downside, not the design. “This is a terrible phone for $799 and a great phone for $499.” (11:28 – Marques quoting a commenter)
• Enthusiast vs. Mass Market: Enthusiasts care about unique design and software, mainstream consumers want reliability and value.
• Flagship Comparison: The device is just shy of flagship in most categories (chipset, screen, features), making its price harder to justify.
• Lobster Metaphor Returns: “Like lobsters, this phone is overpriced for incredibly mediocre flavor.” (18:00 – Andrew)

Notable Quotes

• “At least they're trying something…maybe I called it a different crustacean, a lobster, and it's just different from the rest of the crabs.” (05:42 – Marques)
• “Lobsters are weak.” (06:53 – Marques, jokingly)
• “Enjoy your bugs. Enjoy your sea bugs.” (18:44 – Andrew)

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2. Fairphone 6 Impressions & Digital Wellbeing Features

(19:04 – 26:47)

• Physical 'Essential Switch': Fairphone 6 has a physical toggle to enter “essentials mode,” limiting distractions—a more tactile digital wellbeing tool.
• User Experience: The switch’s sound and immediate toggling are debated, but hosts agree friction or commitment is necessary for digital detox.
• Customization: The essentials mode can be modified, but the switch can’t be remapped to another function.
• Main Identity: Sustainability remains Fairphone’s core value; essentials mode is secondary.
• Design: Hosts find the hardware “pretty cheap”-feeling but interesting due to the customizable back, in-line with Fairphone’s ethos.

Notable Quotes

• “A small gimmick is not going to help your posture be better. You have to decide... and then you will be able to do it.” (25:57 – Marques)
• “It's the phone not for the people who want like a flagship in... all of the ways… but just want nice software and a unique design.” (15:01 – Marques)

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3. Samsung Unpacked 2025: The Event vs. The Products

(31:31 – 53:29)

Event Critique

• Overall Feel: The Samsung Unpacked presentation lacked enthusiasm and authenticity, with hosts describing it as cringy and insincere.
• “They would get on stage and go, ‘wow, that's exciting. Next up…’ Like the one liners and then the interviews... especially with the AI...” (32:47 – Marques)
• “It felt especially like, wow, isn’t that exciting? Okay, next.” (33:28 – David)
• Comparison to Apple Events: Apple’s over-the-top confidence can be mocked, but at least seems genuine. Samsung’s felt “cardboard”.
• AI & Stock Footage Oddities: AI-generated B-roll looked “like the most basic stock version of New York City possible.” (35:45 – David)

Memorable Event Quotes Played On-Air:

• “Thank you, Alice. Isn’t her story inspiring?” (36:48 – Samsung event clip)
• “How cool was that?” “That was awesome.” “Thanks, guy. Wow.” (36:55 – Samsung event clip mashup)

Products: Fold 7 & Flip 7

• Z Fold 7

  • Much thinner and lighter, more usable one-handed, larger front display.
  • Open: “Each side half is like 4.2mm… close to the dimensions of an S25 Ultra. It’s lighter than an S25 Ultra.” (38:43 – Marques)
  • New camera module: 200MP sensor (from S25 Ultra) on main camera.
  • Downsides:
    • No S Pen support (“They got rid of the digitizer layer.” 42:09 – Marques).
    • Small-ish 4400mAh battery (others use silicon-carbon tech to fit more, but with claimed tradeoff in lifespan—discussed in detail).
    • More expensive: "$100 more expensive... $1,999 starting." (47:02 – Marques)
    • The phone rocks a lot when placed on a table due to the camera bump (“I’ve never seen a phone rock like that on a table in my life.” 39:04 – Marques)

• Z Flip 7

  • Switched to Exynos 2500 chip (from Snapdragon), a controversial move.
  • Larger battery (4300mAh), bigger external display (“outside secondary screen… is bigger than the original iPhone.” 45:44 – Marques quoting a tweet)
  • Leaning into camcorder/retro features (borrowed from Moto RAZR)
  • FE Model ("Flip 6 with Exynos") is a lower-cost entry at $899, but still pricey.
  • “Both have DeX. Very exciting.” (45:58)
  • No Qi2 charging, no cutting edge fast charging—Samsung remains conservative on bleeding edge tech.

Notable Quotes

• “This is not the first thin fold either, but they just adopted… hinge and displays and all that to make less of a crease... now they’re the big one.” (46:39 – Marques)
• “The FE is fully just a Flip 6 with Exynos.” (48:54 – Marques)

Watches

• Watch 8, Watch 8 Classic, and Watch 8 Ultra revealed, all building on the “circle on a squircle” “cushion” design.
• Main upgrades: new colors, rotating bezel looks best, prices tiered from $349 (Watch 8) up to $649 (Watch 8 Ultra).
• Features like new running coach (similar to Apple).
• Hosts unimpressed with scripted runner cameo at event and overall lackluster software innovation.
• “You could have the most enthusiastic person just be like, oh, yeah, and you’re a runner too… What do you think is good advice for me as a runner? ‘Yeah, discipline and consistent training.’” (52:05 – Marques)

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4. Meta Sports-Analogy Segment – Formula 1 Meets Tech

(56:04 – 68:21)

• Christian Horner Leaves Red Bull F1:
  • Andrew offers a challenge: explain Red Bull’s team principal, Christian Horner, leaving the team—after 20 years of domination—as a tech analogy.
• Tech Equivalents Debated:
  • Carl Pei leaving OnePlus: “He was one of the driving forces… then they just stopped podiuming hard… and Carl Pei left and started another thing.” (60:48 – Marques)
  • Travis Kalanick at Uber: “This entire operation was his vision… but I literally cannot wait to have him not involved anymore.” (66:45 – David)
  • Jony Ive at Apple: “He was putting out bangers and people loved the designs. Then suddenly it wasn’t hitting… he left and everyone was like, I’m not too sad.” (67:07 – Marques)
  • Even Spongebob and Mr. Krabs make an analogy appearance.
• Insight: Tech and sports both have leaders whose long-term vision and stubbornness build powerhouse brands—but when culture and results change, sometimes their departure is necessary (with mixed feelings).

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5. Other Fun and Notable Segments

• Trivia:

  • The team learns that the first Fairphone production run was 25,000 units (70:08).
  • They try to recall the Fold 7’s new "Armor Flex" hinge branding (71:45).

• Lobster vs. Crab Tangent:

  • A running joke about whether phones (and sea creatures) aspire toward sameness or individuality.
  • Set up for a future segment: “trivia extravaganza all about how freaky lobsters are.” (28:05 – David)

• Live Show Announcement:

  • Next week’s (episode 300) recording will be live, Tuesday July 15, 11am EST.

    “If you want to see a chaotic, inspired-by-South-by-Southwest attempt at going live… get subscribed because you’ll be able to see that and it’ll be a good time. Hopefully nothing breaks.” (03:03 – Marques)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Nothing Phone 3 & Lobster Analogy: 00:44 – 19:03
• Fairphone 6 Demo: 19:04 – 26:47
• Samsung Unpacked Event Critique & Recap: 31:31 – 53:29
• Fold 7/Flip 7 Hands-On Impressions: 38:43 – 49:45
• Samsung Watches Discussion: 49:49 – 53:08
• Formula 1 / Tech Leadership Analogy: 56:04 – 68:21
• Trivia (Fairphone run, Fold 7 hinge): 69:05 – 72:14

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Episode Style & Notable Moments

• Tone: Playful, banter-filled, occasionally irreverent, but always informed.
• Memorable Banter:
  • “Enjoy your bugs. Enjoy your sea bugs.”
  • “I haven't had lobster in a long time, so I actually don't remember.”
  • “As the galaxy unfolds, we say the chaos unfolds.”
• Listener Engagement:
  • Multiple requests to “let us know in the comments” what reviews the audience wants next, especially regarding the new Samsung products and Fairphone 6.
  • Prepping fans for next week’s live milestone episode.

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Conclusion

This episode gives listeners an insider’s breakdown of Samsung’s latest products—where they genuinely impress (hardware) and where they fall flat (event execution, incremental features). The hosts provide layered context by comparing Samsung’s conservatism to more experimental upstarts like Nothing, as well as to mass-market standards (Apple, Pixel, etc). Secondary topics like digital wellbeing, sustainability, and ecosystem fragmentation add depth. Throughout, the Waveform crew’s humor, analogies, and lighthearted debates make technical discussions lively and approachable for everyone—tech heads and casual listeners alike.

Next Episode: Live 300th episode—set your notifications!

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I'm Andrew.

[C]

And I'm Nintendo Switch 2.

[A]

Oh, we're back. Okay, so this episode available on Amazon now. Oh. Oh, that is true.

[B]

That is true.

[A]

But this episode we're talking about some other stuff. We have Samsung unpacked this week. We have some last nothing phone three thoughts. We also have Fairphone 6 in the house and we're gonna try another sports analogy with the formula one.

[C]

Oh, no.

[A]

Because it seems to be working and we're good at explaining things with tech. So we're gonna try. We're gonna try.

[D]

It's just good that David knows zero things about sports. Like there's like an infinite web.

[C]

Dude, that guy broke his foot.

[A]

Foot?

[D]

No, he tore his Achilles.

[B]

Is that what he.

[C]

Achilles is part of your foot, right?

[A]

Tyrese? Wow. Tyrese, Close enough.

[D]

No, that's Kyrie.

[A]

This is perfect. Anyway, we'll get there. But first, this fun fact is episode number 299 of the Waveform podcast. And so we had a fun idea for episode number 300. Next week we're gonna livestream it. We're going to live stream our 300th ever waveform recording. So if you haven't already subscribed to this channel, if you want to see a chaotic inspired by south by Southwest attempt at going live and talking to you guys and celebrating number 300 and talking tech and doing all the stuff, get subscribed because you'll be able to see that and it'll be a good time. Hopefully nothing breaks.

[B]

And if you want to actually, like mark it on your calendar and not just be staring at your phone for the bell, sure. Tuesday, July 15, 11:00am EST is our hope. That's what we're going to try run a practice run. We are running another practice run. That's when it should go live.

[C]

Yeah, we'll try to not be like the W show and be like 45 minutes late every week.

[A]

Damn. Shots fired. Don't say that, David.

[E]

Because now we're going to, if we're.

[D]

45 minutes late, try then Linus is.

[A]

Going to be like.

[D]

We're not going to be like wave four. Okay, 46 minutes.

[C]

But Linus laughs at himself every week and says we're 45 minutes late.

[A]

I'm sure there's a good reason why they're late and we're going to find.

[C]

Out that reason ourselves.

[A]

And then we're 45 minutes late as well.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

But yeah, that's when you can mark your calendar. If you want to join us, it'll be a fun time. Okay, we have the Nothing Phone three again. The review is up now since the last episode. If you have any other thoughts or closing interesting things to say about it, this would be the time I generally. Okay, here's my complaint with the Nothing Phone three and the reviews and what happened afterwards. I reviewed the phone. It is a pretty decent phone, but it is expensive for what you're getting. And so I talked about that. I talked about how they're using this first true flagship as a marketing term, basically. And you know, expect the best phone ever, whatever, but it's not actually giving us the best parts. So I talked about that. But then also aesthetically speaking, I mean, if you watch some other people's reviews, if you watch Mr. Mobile's review especially, it is a unique looking phone and you don't really get that very often, especially in the slab world. And so you kind of have to give them at least a Little bit of credit for that, too. So many other phones just look the same and I love using analogies. It's my favorite thing to do. So my analogy that I made was, well, we've talked about how everything. Yeah, Carcinization. They're all turning into crabs. All these crustaceans are evolving into crabs. And it's hilarious. And we've joked about that before. I brought that into the video as, like, look, all these other smartphones, these actual flagships, the play it safe. We need to sell as many as possible. Flagships are generic. They're all turning into the same thing. And you look at them all next to each other and they all look the same. And year after year, they continue to look the same. So when something comes along that's a little different, you might not love it, but at least it's different. At least they're trying something. And so maybe I called it a different crustacean, a lobster, and it's just different from the rest of the crabs. And I give it credit for that. But I think then the nothing people, like, loved that particular analogy and, like, ran with just that part of the video, which, whatever. To their credit, they're marketers. They do what they want to do. But. Yeah, what are your. What are your thoughts on the lobster.

[B]

Versus Just to go on that? They didn't just. They went off on it.

[A]

Well, one of them made it their bio. The, like, username.

[B]

I think he's the co. Founder of Nothing wrote just like, he put a lobster on his, you know, like, username on Twitter and said, people will eventually get it lobster. And then someone said it as Gen 4 doesn't justify the price tag. And he said the lobster does.

[A]

Which, like. What do you mean?

[D]

No, I. Dude, it's because, you know what it is? It's that lobsters are kind of freaky. Like, have you ever seen a lobster up close?

[A]

They look weird.

[D]

They're freaky.

[A]

They are crabs.

[C]

But no, I like the blue ones.

[A]

Yeah, but a lot. Slicer is even weirder than crab.

[D]

Makes sense. Crab is logic. You know what I mean? Crab, it's. It's got. It's got legs. You can see flat. It's got. Why does. Why does a lobster have fins, bro?

[C]

I was actually weirdly, why does it.

[D]

Why does. Why does it have pinchy hands and food hands. Separate hands for. And separate hands for gobble.

[A]

Lobsters are weak.

[C]

I mean, that's dope.

[D]

No, but they're freaky little alien sea bugs. And so, like. Yeah, I think there are people who take pride in having the freaky option. You know, I really think that's what you're. That's what you're hitting.

[C]

Yeah, I love eating bugs. I have a. Okay, this is nothing's YouTube channel. If you scroll down a little bit, three of the videos have your face in their thumbnails.

[A]

Yeah, well, okay, so I was gonna talk about this, actually. One of the top comments was, I can't wait to see the Nothing CEO react to this one. Because they react to all the reviews, and that's the thing that they've done before. The other, though, was taking it out of context. Like, that kind of feels. If you don't know what's happening, feels like we collaborated with them or something. This is what happens. We make our video, and we try to make the best video possible, and then this happens a lot. The company sees the review and goes, ooh, we like that quote. Can we use it? And they might want to take part of the video or take a quote and use it on their website or use it in something or whatever, or make it their Twitter. But whatever they're doing, none of that. I don't tell them or make my videos for them to do that. That's just something they decided to do. Just so that is clear.

[B]

I think it's pretty clear because the title of the video was they Lied. And then they were like, oh, cool, you talked about a lobster. And then they made their, like, yeah, the. What's this thing called again? The new glyph that sucks way more.

[C]

Glyph matrix.

[B]

The glyph matrix. They started posting pictures of it with the lobster and the glyph matrix. And then this is the Nothing India account that posted it next to a bunch of iPhones with crabs on them and Samsung screenshot, which they're not.

[C]

They're not wrong about that.

[E]

This is a little bit refreshing, though. Now that I've had, like, roughly 24 hours to sit with it. It's so nice for this to happen with something positive. Because normally you. You do a review of. Of a product and you say a lot of good things about it, and then you say, like, one negative thing, and the company just, like, gets so mad and all the fans are online hating you and, like, what is happening?

[B]

How could you say?

[E]

It's like, I did a saying how good of a phone it is. I just don't like this one thing. And this is flipped. It's like you did this one small compliment, and that's the one you're going with.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

When the Title is they lie.

[B]

Notice how they haven't linked to the review and any of the posts referencing it to show people where the reference came from.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

I also have a small correction from the video. I said in the video that they had 2160 hertz PWM dimming, which is a useful feature for people who are affected by that. A lot of OLEDs, when you go all the way to the bottom of the lowest brightness, they flicker. And so when they can have good high quality PWM dimming, that's less irritant for those people's eyes. The phone actually doesn't. It actually has 960Hz PWM dimming. It was changed at the last second. So I got a little quote from Nothing to explain themselves because I put in the video something that turned out to not be true. They said there have been a change to the PWM dimming rate. It's now 960Hz. While the display is capable of the original rate quoted, we found display performance at low brightness produces the best quality picture with this updated rate. So we have prioritized picture quality for the final retail software. So hopefully that works. Hopefully that's still great for people who are bothered by low quality dimming.

[B]

Do you know how we learned about that correction though?

[C]

How?

[B]

I had to find someone talking about it on Reddit and then I said, this is what our reviewer's guide said. We just double checked it and. And then I guess techspert said that they changed it. I don't know how he got that comment in the first place. And then we had to ask them about it changing.

[A]

Yeah, we had to.

[B]

There's still other articles out there that still say 2160, so.

[A]

Yep, wouldn't blame them. It's. Again, this is something. Nothing changed at the last second. Ideally everyone can update their articles, but here's my correction. So, you know. Uh, yeah, I don't know. The design of the phone itself is kind of. It's grown on me a little bit. There's obviously a light one and a dark one. I like the dark one better. I think the light one is.

[C]

It's grown on you.

[A]

The dark one has. I think the light one still looks weird and jarring because of the contrast and just how weird and misaligned the lenses are.

[C]

Love it, man. I love it.

[A]

But yeah, it's a. It's a good phone. It's just not a good price.

[B]

I think it's easy to see all the backlash and think it's the Design. But I don't. That's not what people are.

[C]

No, people are not mad at that.

[B]

So mad at the price and that the. For these specs, there's plenty of other phones that are far cheaper than this.

[A]

Happens a lot. And a lot of people talked about this. Like, this is a $799 or 80,000 rupee phone. For that price, you can get an. You can get iPhone 16, you can get a Pixel 9, you can get a Galaxy S25. These are like the megaphones that, like, sell millions and millions of units, except for the Pixel. But that's. Their goal is to be mainstream flagship.

[C]

They're doing better. Except for the fact that they just got banned in Japan. Tough, tough for the old ones.

[A]

But the point is, when you charge that amount of money, you're gonna get compared to those phones. And one of the top comments on my review was, this is a terrible phone for 799 and a great phone for 499. And that. That happens a lot where the price kind of like ruins the. The banter about how good the phone is. I think this is a pretty good phone. And if it was 599, we wouldn't be having nearly as many of these flagship discussions. But nothing wants to be a flagship.

[C]

Like, it's just. It's just the chipset that people are mad about, right?

[A]

No, it's a bunch.

[C]

I mean, I understand that, like, that's the main. I mean, they're pulling the OnePlus. It's straight out of the OnePlus.

[A]

Yeah. That audience hates the flagship, of course.

[C]

Like, that's what they're going to do. I feel like they're doing it always.

[B]

The plan worse than OnePlus, though, OnePlus was like, you just don't get wireless charging. They were like, very specific.

[C]

Well, and they started making them expensive, too.

[B]

They did. I mean, I kind of feel like Carl Pay is speed running the One plus, like, route that happened, which was like, we're for the community. Just kidding. We're for expensive phones.

[A]

OnePlus got to the point where they were charging high money for phones, but they would have, like no nfc, no wireless charging and no IP certification. But the rest of the phone, minus the cameras would be like a. Above the other flagships. This is a phone that is. If every flagship is trying to be a 10 out of 10, this is like an 8.5 and everything, which when you do it slightly below flagships in every category, it feels like it's not quite a flagship. It's A below flagship chip, which, okay, fine, you're allowed to do that. But then it's also slightly below flagship display. It's LTPS, it's got Gorilla Glass 7i instead of the hardest one for a face down phone. And then it's like it's a 5150 milliamp hour battery, which is pretty great, but doesn't charge quite as fast as the flagships. It depends on the flagship you're talking about too. And then you just go down the list and there's just a couple little things one by one that all nick away at not quite being a flagship. So that's why it's tough.

[C]

Maybe I shouldn't have this hot take.

[B]

Do it, do it.

[C]

I just think that.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on.

[D]

Do it.

[C]

Just think Samsung phones are so boring. Yeah, they're so.

[B]

And which one would you rather buy right now?

[C]

I'm not talking about the flip and the fold which we're getting.

[A]

No, you're talking about this.

[C]

We'll get to that.

[A]

This right here.

[C]

How about that?

[A]

Or like an S25.

[C]

The regular one.

[A]

Yeah. That's part of why people buy it.

[C]

Unbelievably boring.

[A]

I think that's a, that's what, That's a take. We're the enthusiasts who go, that Prius, that Camry, that's super boring. Why would I want that? And then there's the millions and masses who are just like that Prius, that Camry, super dependable, reliable. Same thing I'm used to. Not gonna break or try anything crazy. Slightly better than last year. That's the one I want.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I think I would rather have the better software, the better ui, the weirder back, the weird glyph toys.

[E]

Well, that's what you're paying for with the nothing.

[A]

Yeah. And I think that according to that tweet, I think that for people like.

[C]

Me, I would like, I. I would buy that over the S25.

[A]

I might not buy over a pixel.

[C]

Because the pixel is like, you know, has a bunch of special features and it's also kind of interesting and all this stuff maybe, but like over. Over an S25.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

So I don't know. Yeah, I understand their logic. I think the design is valuable to some people.

[B]

I think it's valuable. But there's phones like $400 less.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And also when the 3A Pro is like really good.

[A]

Also cool design.

[C]

And a cool design that's really in the same os.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And like the glyph matrix on the back, it's pointless. Like it's fun, but you're going to use it once as a little party trick and then you're not going to use it.

[A]

So here's the argument, here's the niche that this phone deserves to exist. The 3A Pro. Really good phone and really nice design. And I think the end of my video basically summarize all of my thoughts, which is this is the phone not for the people who want like a flagship in like all of the ways of a flagship and don't want the brutal, like, highest end specs, but they just want nice software and a unique design. This is more of a flagship than the 3A Pro. It's a better chip, it's faster, it has a better display, it has bigger camera sensors. It is more of a flagship than that. But it is also too expensive. Right. So if you can get it for cheaper, it actually deserves to exist in that little niche right there.

[C]

Well, my question also becomes, and forgive me if I'm just a bit ignorant on this, but like every year we talk about like, oh, the chip only matters if like you want to do high end gaming. But my question that I pose to people who do high end gaming on their phones is like, are chips bad at gaming right now? Because it seems like they're all doing pretty high frame rates on even the best games on mobile. Like it does.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I feel like the chip that's in this phone is going to do fine.

[A]

No, it is the reason they use that chip. And maybe I'm speaking for them a little bit, but I think it's pretty clear that most people most of the time will not notice the difference between this and a Snapdragon 8 Elite. But because that margin exists, you can talk about that gap of the absolute highest end game that is the heaviest and hardest to run because most games run fine on most chips. Or in five years when you're still using the phone and things are starting to slow down on this chip versus the eight Elite or the slightly better battery efficiency overall of the Snapdragon 8 Elite versus this chip. On those margins you're like, all right, I'm paying 800 bucks for a phone. If I'm gonna get an $800 phone, I might as well get one with an 8 Elite like the Snapdragon. Okay, Galaxy S25 has better cameras, better display, better chip, and overall is just gonna run reliably and get software updates for X years and is like super boring. Yeah, you can sacrifice all those things for a unique design and A fun, unique, interesting software experience. And some people will make that choice and some people won't. So that's where this phone exists.

[C]

I think that's perfectly set.

[B]

I think nothing's audience, though. Like, let's think of where nothing's audience came from. And it is literally the.

[C]

That is the exact opposite, because exactly what OnePlus did. And look what that. Where that put OnePlus. Like, nobody cares about that company anymore that much.

[B]

I think they're there. I almost feel like OnePlus has made, like, a resurgence into that a little bit.

[A]

But yes, 13 is so good.

[C]

Yeah, the phones are made.

[A]

Yeah, they're super good.

[B]

But like, OG OnePlus, like the community flagship killer, it wasn't. Here's a flagship.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

And I think a lot of those went with Carl to nothing. And, yeah, those people are very upset.

[C]

That people do things for money. Good job.

[B]

I have one last take.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's not. It's my final opinion on this because I didn't have one last week. I like your lobster analogy because, like, lobsters, this phone is overpriced for incredibly mediocre flavor.

[A]

Oh, you're a lobster hater.

[C]

I like lobster a lot.

[B]

It's just buttery seawater.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. And do you like.

[B]

I can put butter on seafood.

[A]

Like, do you like crabs?

[B]

I don't know. I like shrimp.

[C]

Similar, right?

[B]

They're pretty similar.

[A]

I don't really like it.

[B]

Tastes better than lobster seawater meat that you can put butter on.

[A]

I'd rather have glorified seawater meat.

[C]

Yeah, they're bugs.

[B]

I'd rather put butter on bread.

[C]

Okay. But they've been like. They've been sauteed in salt water for a very long time. So it's very, like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Not a lobster fan. Enjoy your bugs. Enjoy your sea bugs.

[A]

I love this.

[E]

So hard to stay out of this. Let's just keep moving.

[C]

I enjoy the sea bugs I found.

[D]

It's like a train wreck of a take.

[A]

I haven't had lobster in a long time, so I actually don't remember. It's so stupid, but it is expensive.

[C]

Okay. We meant for this section to be short.

[B]

I knew it wouldn't be short.

[A]

Do want to jump in real quick to close this out? We also have the Fairphone 6 in hand.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

I'm still matte.

[B]

We'll talk about it in the break.

[A]

We'll probably come back to. It'll be like a trivia question and be like, true or false. Lobster is the greatest seafood.

[C]

All right.

[A]

But you do have the Fairphone 6. Real quick, what do you think of this phone?

[C]

I've got the Fairphone 6 and I just wanted to show you guys, I wanted to prove you wrong about how cool the essential switch is that I.

[B]

Agreed with you on this one.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah, okay, go ahead.

[C]

This is the big switch.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

Nice little color. It's got this, like, yellowish teal color.

[A]

It's big.

[C]

It's right above the power button, which is. Which also has a fingerprint reader, by the way, which is nice.

[A]

Very nice.

[C]

It's got a horrible unlock sound.

[B]

Yeah, that sounds.

[A]

Can you put that on the mic?

[C]

Yeah, it's bad.

[A]

That just sounds like. Just bad.

[C]

It's really bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. Fair phone, please fix. But when you hit the essential switch, it, like, drops down from the top and like, switches you into this essential.

[A]

Nice little animation, and it's dope as hell.

[C]

And it's called Essentials. And it's basically like a. It's sort of like a. What do they call it on the iPhone?

[A]

It's the focus.

[C]

Focus mode, essentially. So you can click it and you can modify it, and out of the box it's got these features. Like, it puts you into do not disturb mode. It makes it so only certain contacts can contact you. So it's basically like. It's doing what you say you could, like, you know, do on an Android launcher, skin, whatever. But it's out of the box already. Pretty set up for you.

[E]

Does it extend battery life?

[A]

It's pre installed. I mean, I mean.

[C]

But look how cool. And then you just switch it off. It's like.

[B]

It'S a tad delay.

[A]

Can I ask a couple questions about this?

[C]

Sure.

[A]

One, that button that you're pressing, you can't map to anything else. It'll always do that.

[C]

Switch.

[A]

Switch. It's a switch.

[C]

The switch.

[A]

Are you pressing it or flipping it?

[C]

Pushing it up and pushing it up.

[A]

And down, up and down. Oh, I didn't notice. Oh, that's okay. But you can't. It doesn't do anything else, though. That's what it does all the time.

[B]

Same color as Elsa's shirt.

[C]

Actually, that's true. That's neon.

[A]

Question number two. Are they packaging this as an APK anywhere else that you can, like, get on another phone or is this just the Fairphone?

[C]

It's just on the Fairphone 6.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But you can change the apps that show up here.

[A]

Good.

[C]

And it's nice because again, it's like kind of bridging that line where it's not trying to be the light phone where you have to, like, you have to upload your own music and upload your own podcasts and whatever. It's more like the minimal phone, but it's not in black and white. But it still makes. You can just decide, oh, I'm on my phone too much essential time. And then you're not. You're not just, like, opening apps like crazy.

[B]

Here's my only.

[A]

You know, I think it's great.

[B]

It's not a great. I actually do really like this. I like that it's a physical button. Yeah, I can. Here's how I go.

[A]

Switch.

[B]

Physical switch. Sorry. It's actually a pretty satisfying.

[C]

It is a nice switch, but they need to change the.

[B]

Oh, I'm on my phone too much. Okay, cool. Now I can't be on my phone. Instagram. Just one swipe up. Like, yeah, sorry. Like, I kind. I almost wish that you could set a thing to be like, when I pop this down, minimum one hour before.

[A]

It can switch or you have to.

[E]

Like, restart your phone or something.

[B]

Something like, annoying.

[A]

You guys. We.

[D]

We have to stay in the ethos, guys. It needs to be a hardware lock that goes over the switch and stops you from flipping it back.

[C]

I think adding friction for me is the. Is the sweet spot because I don't really want something that's, like, forcing me to not being able to do a thing. I just want some friction added so that if I'm mentally deciding I want to, like, not be as addicted to my phone for the next.

[B]

I would argue this is like, no friction, though. Like, if it was in the mode and I was like, I wanted to look at something on Instagram, I could probably. I could fingerprint and flip this up before the screen even turns.

[C]

Yeah, but you'd have to, like, you'd have to mentally decide, oh, I'm breaking my own thing.

[A]

No, no, no.

[D]

But as. As someone who did a pretty big phone detox recently after, like, a week of. Of like, hardcore. No. Like, the muscle memory goes away. That goes away, like, shockingly fast. I. I think if you did a re. For Realsies Detox and then were using that, you'd be absolutely fine. And this is coming from someone who has very little self control.

[A]

I would say similar to our gym analogy at the end of that video. A lot of this just comes down to discipline. And how bad do you really want to detox and not use your phone a lot? Because you could just decide you don't want to use your phone much and any number of Solutions would be effective for you, but if you really aren't that committed to it, then whether it's a switch or an app or a launcher or a button or whatever, they're not going to work. So it's up to you.

[D]

I still think you can get addicted to your phone in a serious neurochemical way where discipline might not be the only way, but I do.

[A]

And then this won't work. As someone that also did the dumb.

[E]

Phone challenge, I just now don't have the apps on my phone and problem solved.

[A]

Like, I like. That's the level. That does help. That does help. It does.

[E]

But, like, I wish that this was a little bit extra. Like, if you're gonna do this, I don't like that. It's just a switch away, you know, like to go in one more level to really be.

[C]

I mean, you do have to acknowledge that, like fairphone, that it was not. They're not really marketing it as their main thing. As for the fairphone, it's still a fairphone. Like, the whole point of the fairphone is that it's sustainably made.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

It's supposed to be like, faster and more.

[E]

Speaking of which, how's the camera? Have you used it yet?

[C]

Not much. I don't really like cameras on phones.

[A]

I have a feeling it's just fine.

[C]

It's probably just fine overall, the phone.

[B]

I mean, I'm a sucker for.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

So I like, kind of love it. Just.

[C]

They did have a whole thing about it being like more of a flagship and feels like a pretty cheap phone.

[B]

These are two phones in a row now that are more of a flagship, which just sounds like this is more.

[A]

Of a flagship, though.

[E]

Like, the Fairphone 6 actually looks.

[C]

The screen looks different. I mean, it looks nice.

[A]

It looks like a crab, I'll tell you that.

[C]

Well, but it's green. It has neon. And you can change the back out for this wallet or for this, like.

[A]

Finger thing, you know, like the pop socket built in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool.

[C]

Or a lanyard, if you want to wear it around.

[A]

Never seen anyone do that.

[C]

Yeah, just the cool kids on the Samsung commercials do that.

[A]

Kids in Brooklyn. Yeah, true.

[C]

I. I have seen kids in Brooklyn doing it.

[A]

I believe you. Yeah.

[C]

Anyway, I just wanted to show you guys and I like to try to.

[B]

Prove you I like the switch. I think I would try, but I would also probably break it immediately. It's. It feels like one of those. I have a friend who's at his office. They had those chairs that are supposed to make your posture better, and he just said it was you very quickly learn how to make your posture even worse by breaking how you sit in the chair.

[A]

That is a great analogy for these.

[C]

Like, people will always try to, like.

[A]

Break what they're getting. No, it's up to you. If you want your posture to be better. A small gimmick is not going to help your posture be better. You have to decide, all right, I'm going to commit to this, and then you will be able to do it.

[D]

There is one small gimmick that can make your posture better, and they're called sit ups.

[A]

Oh. Other than that, will you do sit ups if you're not committed? If you're doing sit ups, you don't need that chair. You're just gonna do it.

[C]

Document this one trick.

[D]

Sit ups.

[A]

Sit ups. Sit ups. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, that's interesting. I might be tempted to make a video about this phone because there's a lot of interesting concepts around it and obviously it's the newest of. I made a video about the fairphone previously. But yeah, maybe, maybe. Let me know in the comments if you guys want to know my thoughts. And a deep dive on the Fairphone 6. Yeah, drop a comment below.

[C]

I think it's cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All right.

[A]

All right, well, we got a bunch more to talk about. Samsung dropped about 30,000 gadgets on us, so we're going to talk about that after the break. But before we get to that trivia time.

[D]

I just want you guys to know, you know, I had a trivia question written, and I was so mad a about lobsters being denied their freakiness. And then you. Andrew.

[B]

No, no, no, no.

[C]

You're freaky.

[D]

Say anything about this.

[B]

I did not say lobsters are not freaky. I said crabs are also freaky.

[D]

Crabs are not freaky.

[B]

They are.

[D]

They're definitionally not freaky.

[C]

Definitionally.

[A]

If you've looked at undersea creatures before, there's a. There's a spectrum of freaky.

[C]

Yeah, that's true.

[D]

Show me one freaky crab.

[A]

Crabs are kind of mid.

[D]

And then also. Also Andrew. Also Andrew.

[A]

What.

[D]

What is this? Tasty sea meat? Are you kidding?

[B]

No, no.

[D]

There are plenty of food. There are plenty of foods that are good that you can describe like that, like oysters and uni. Okay. Lobster is a whole other.

[C]

Anyway, I love sucking the body out.

[D]

Of this is all to say. I wrote I went to go find a freaky lobster. Fact freaks out for this trivia question. And I found so many that now there is a segment trivia extravaganza all about how freaky lobsters are. Okay, so you guys did this to yourself. We're doing lobster facts next round.

[C]

You shouldn't have told us. But we're gonna, I'm gonna do a research paper on lobsters now.

[D]

I'd like to see you try. Actually. That'd be really fun if you just came in like, okay, guys, but we had a Samsung event today.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Which means this first trivia question will obviously be about fairphone. Yes, specifically, we're throwing it back. We're rewinding all the way back to Fairphone 1.

[C]

Oh, Fairphone fun, the dream. I don't even know how to get this back off.

[D]

How many units were produced in the first production run of the first fairphone? Price is right rules closest without going over.

[A]

Oh, interesting question.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Okay, I'm gonna have to think about that because there's, there's like a company that would publish that number, would probably be somewhat proud of it, but considering it was the first fairphone, it probably.

[D]

Wasn'T that impressive of it wasn't like go fund me. Wasn't it sort of crowdfunded too?

[A]

You tell me, remember? But maybe fairphone, it's, I mean, it's an idea that sounds like a crowd would get behind it and could be successful with that concept. Well, we'll think about that. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

[D]

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Raise the sails. Raise the sales. Captain, an unidentified ship is approaching.

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That's not a question, but I need.

[A]

A whole wardrobe to go with it. No shade to the guys, but I'm used to having the best tunnel fits. This season Abercrombie has me covered. Shop NFL by Abercrombie in the app, online and in store. All right, welcome back. We gotta talk about Samsung's event and the things they announced. And that's two distinct different things. The event was really not great, but the things they announced were pretty solid. So we can talk about both of those things. Samsung Z Fold 7Z Flip 7 Watch 8 Watch 8 Ultra Z Flip FE we got all the things to talk about and I made a video a first hands on and impressions with a lot of this stuff, especially the phones which I thought were actually pretty impressive. And then we watched the event and my God. Yeah, my God, it was bad. It's been a long time since I saw that level. I was trying to pinpoint what the feeling was of watching this event. Dread. Cause there's a lot of like cringey events. Lots of cringy events, especially Samsung. Lots of cringy Samsung events. But this one had like an extra heavy dose of really insincere feelings.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like they would get on stage and go wow, that's exciting. Next up like the, the one liners and then the interviews and then the people who are trying to, especially with the AI, they would talk about like an AI feature about you could google something and then they go see a true genuine AI companion. And I'm like not. That's not what that is. That's just googling something.

[C]

It felt to me that nobody in the event believed what they were saying.

[A]

That's. Yes, that's how it felt. Yeah.

[C]

They were not.

[A]

Single word.

[C]

They were not good at being like, like legitimately hyped or at least seeming legitimately hyped. It was just like we are reading off of a PowerPoint. And I know, I know they do this on every event.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But it felt especially like, wow, isn't that exciting? Okay, next.

[A]

This felt like if you played an example for, like if you wanted to give a presenter for the first time, like something to aim for and something to avoid, this is what you would play of, like, don't do this because everyone will think you don't care and you are not invested at all and you don't believe what you're saying. Yeah, but every line was like that. Every person was like that.

[C]

Every person.

[B]

It really felt like almost everything they announced, you know, software wise. Am I wrong in feeling like I've seen every single thing already and just like nothing felt even remote and like maybe coupled with that is why it felt so.

[A]

The hardware was new. Much of the software is stuff we've seen before. And again, a lot of companies do this. They'll re announce the same stuff as last year and they'll go, it's better than ever and it's still helpful and people are loving this and they'll just announce it again basically.

[C]

Or at a singular feature.

[A]

Yeah. And say it's reinvented or something. But yeah, I just have this, this memory of like they brought this half marathon world record holder on stage because they were talking about the new, the running coach in the watch. And he walks on stage and the whole conversation is so scripted. It's like cardboard box on stage, looks and goes, yeah, great watch. And then the guy next to him goes like, by the way, do you have any tips for runners? And then he goes, yep, run a lot. And then he goes, thanks and walks out like there's no substance to it at all. Where you could see like they thought it was a good idea to do that because, oh, we could try to convince people that this guy uses the Galaxy Watch 8 while he trains. And then it'll be great because he's a world record holder and oh, this would be great. He uses all these features. But none of that made sense.

[C]

We didn't even get to laugh at Sydney Sweeney cringing at her own AI emoji.

[A]

They did other cringe worthy things. I don't know. It is what it is.

[C]

But at least that was fun and funny.

[D]

The AI look, there have been hundreds of thousands, if not millions of hours of stock footage of New York that has been shot over the last five years. You know, why were they AI generating that city?

[C]

Because they can.

[D]

It looked so bad.

[A]

Source material, like.

[D]

And I feel like they might have wanted to be like, and by the way, that was all AI generated, and they never did. Well, they won't now because it looked so bad.

[C]

Yeah, it was similar to the, like, unlabeled beer can that just says beer.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It was, like, the most basic stock version of New York City possible.

[E]

And, like, we always, like, we sit around the big TV here and watch these events, like, all together as an office. And with Apple, I feel like when we're watching an Apple event, they buy into it so hard that that's what we make fun of when we're cracking jokes around here.

[A]

Like, watching it. Yeah.

[E]

No one here believed any of it, so we were just sitting there, like, kind of bored. Like, wait, what is happening right now?

[C]

Yeah, this is 180 degrees different.

[A]

You can make fun of Apple because they're almost like, everything is magic, and this is all fantastic. And you're like, all right, come on.

[C]

The smoothness of the liquid glass underneath is incredible.

[A]

Yeah. Like, overly leaning in which. Which, I get it. That translates to some people, but this one felt like, how does this translate to anyone? No one is gonna watch this and get excited or believe anything that they're seeing. I feel like I'm ragging on them.

[C]

We'll just.

[A]

I'm gonna. I'm cut together a couple of clips for us to put in the podcast right now to get a taste of what I'm talking about. So we'll just roll that right now.

[C]

Thank you, Alice. Isn't her story inspiring?

[D]

How cool was that?

[A]

That was awesome.

[B]

Thanks, guy. Wow.

[C]

Incredible, right?

[B]

Ah, amazing.

[C]

That energy is contagious.

[A]

Okay, so now you've seen it. There's that.

[B]

There was one point where all of us sitting down had, like, an ooh ah moment. And I think it was watch 8 classic. The first time they showed that, that was the only time we were like, oh, damn, wait, that looks good. And everyone, like, quieted.

[C]

And it had nothing to do with the software.

[B]

Nope. Just beautiful looking. Watch.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The phones, though, a bunch of interesting updates, like, actually new hardware. So let's start with the Fold seven. Fold seven is. They did the thing where it. It is actually different and new and better to use both closed and open. So the outside display is wider, the bezels are thinner, and the entire phone is dramatically thinner. So using it closed feels closer than ever to a regular phone. That's like the whole point open. Each side half is like 4.2 millimeters or something crazy. And you close it up, and it's like a little over 8 millimeters close to the dimensions of an S25 Ultra. It's actually lighter than an S25 Ultra. So you're holding the thing and looking at it and with one hand, it's reachable. It feels like a regular phone. You open it and it's a bigger than ever 8 inch screen. It's pretty square still. But that's your multitasking display. That's your, you know, full screen games and videos with big black bezels. But that is the Galaxy Z flip experience. It's better open than it was before. It's better closed than it was before. Z fold. Sorry. They also gave it the 200 megapixel sensor from the S25 Ultra. So slightly different optics, but big camera for the primary camera. They didn't quite get flagship cameras in all of the rest. There's still an ultra wide and a 3x telephoto, but it is a big ultra primary camera now, which is good. And I've also never seen a phone rock like that on a table in my life. In my whole life. I'm 31 years old. I've reviewed a lot of phones. I've never seen a phone rock like that on a table. So that was impressive. And then three other smaller potential downsides. One, I know, David, you saw somebody using an S pen with a. I.

[C]

Realized that I didn't tell this story in the podcast. I told it before the podcast and I referenced it on podcast as if I had told it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So let me tell the story and then we'll be sad for her.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

Okay. So. So I'm in the airport, right? Be me. Airport. You're sitting waiting for your flight for three hours because you get there way too early.

[B]

I'm saying Marquez cannot be named.

[A]

Already lost him. Couldn't be me.

[C]

I see this old woman being pushed in a wheelchair as they do in the airport, right? She's like going along with, oh, that's an old woman. That's what I thought. And then I. I noticed as she's coming by me, I was like, what's she holding? She's holding a fully opened Galaxy Fold 6.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

And not only is she holding the fully open Galaxy Fold 6 while being pushed in the car, she's using the S pen with it.

[A]

Whoa.

[C]

And I was like, huh?

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

I went from like, wait, are foldable phones only for young people to Wait, are foldable phones better for old people?

[B]

Yeah. When you first told that story, I was like, that makes so much sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It was like big screen, big words.

[A]

The biggest font You've ever seen.

[C]

Yeah. Like, you've seen the people on the plane with, like, the giant font with an open fold.

[A]

You can have it be, like, even bigger font. Even bigger. Yeah. So the bad news is the Fold 7, no S Pens support. They got rid of it. They justified it.

[E]

So it's not an Ultra. That was my question.

[A]

Oh, really?

[E]

I had one question. Can you use the S pen on this thing?

[A]

Yeah. So they use the word ultra in the marketing a lot. Probably too much.

[E]

That's what made me think it had S pen support.

[A]

Yeah. The only ultra thing about it is they brought the Ultra's 200 megapixel camera, primary camera to this fold. But that's really the only thing they brought from the Ultra. Everything else is very much in line.

[C]

I feel like we fully eclipsed the dream of the fold having the pen in it. Right. Because, like, they kept getting so close. They, like, added the case that had the first. They just sold the pen separately, and it was like where you're going to lose that. And then they made the, like, four Galaxy phones for four fold one, which was thinner. And it had the, like, specialist special pen that was like, lighter, softer. And then they sold the case with it that had the pen in it. And I was like, okay, we're one step closer to it just being in the phone. Like the note.

[A]

Yeah. And then I think they made. So they made all that progression and then looked at the numbers and nobody's using the S pen with it, which is like maybe a chicken and egg thing, because it's so hard to remember to bring the S pen with you that maybe people just didn't want to do it. And if they just put a spot on the phone for it, people would use it more or even just have.

[E]

It magnetized to the side like this one.

[A]

Even that in your pocket falls off.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

Don't you put that in the bag, though. Yeah. Doesn't it fall off every time?

[E]

What is a pocket but a bag on my pants?

[A]

That's fair. The S pen would end up in your pocket every time.

[C]

Would the old woman have baggy pants like trap pants?

[A]

Well, or a purse or a bag or a travel bag, whatever. But nevertheless, they got rid of the digitizer layer. They were able to make the ultra thin glass layer on top thicker.

[C]

Like an extra digitizer that they had.

[A]

They had an extra digitizer layer for the S pen support. They got rid of it. It doesn't support S pen anymore. Insane. So that's 1, 2 is so the battery is the same size, which is impressive in a thinner phone, but 4400 milliamp hours. If you've seen what silicon carbon batteries are doing in other ultra thin foldable phones in other places, this is less impressive. Like the honor Magic 5 is the one I showed in my impressions video, which is actually thinner than Samsung's phone and just as light and has like a 5800 milliamp hour battery.

[C]

I have something I want to note.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

So when I was at Google, I o, a Google engineer came up to me and they said, hey, David, I know you guys keep talking about silicon carbon batteries on the podcast. I just want to tell you that like, as an engineer, these silicon carbon batteries last substantially shorter periods of time than like the traditional cells.

[E]

You mean like lifespan?

[A]

Lifespan?

[C]

Lifespan wise. And he said after like a few years, they lose like a ton of capacity. And so whether or not that's true, he's. He's the engineer, not me.

[A]

Interesting.

[C]

But I think that probably the reason that these bigger companies, or at least companies are bigger in western markets, are sticking still with these older things is because they're the ones doing like seven years of software upgrades. Whereas it seems like.

[A]

That's a really interesting point.

[C]

A lot of the Chinese phones, it's like they release 20 of them a year and they're just like, boom, yeah, boom, boom, boom.

[A]

And it's also. So that's an interesting point. I kind of wonder how much shorter they last when you see that by.

[C]

Two to three years, they're like degenerated a lot more than the traditional ones are.

[A]

Because, you know, the ones that are lagging on silicon carbon batteries, at least now that we're seeing all these updates, are like the big major flagships, Samsung Galaxy S, Pixel, that are sold in iPhone markets too. Yeah. And these are phones that people tend to have for many years where almost every other phone, like the enthusiast phones, the ones that are bought by people who upgrade more often can do that. It's like we just saw the nothing phone three, but also like the Oppo, you know, find whatever. And the OnePlus 13 and like all these phones with silicon carbon batteries, which are great and will be awesome for years, but maybe not the seven, eight, nine years.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Flagship people that are going to be upgrading their phone more often because they're more enthusiasts. I don't know, I mean, if you're a battery engineer, please tweet at us or something.

[A]

I mean, I could argue that the fold is one of those phones that people are not going to use for seven, eight, nine years. I think that's an enthusiast phone. It's a $2,000 folding.

[C]

That's fair. That's fair.

[A]

Yeah. But yeah, you know, we'll see. I think that's, that's my concern is 4400 milliamp hours when it has a massive 8 inch screen on the inside is like not going to be the biggest, best battery life, but tbd. Yeah, I think I had one more negative. Oh, the Flip has an Exynos chip. So if we want to talk about both.

[C]

What? Both what?

[A]

Yep. They switched from a Snapdragon 8 gen 3 to an Exynos 2500 gen 3. Did they tell you why? They didn't tell me why. In fact, it was kind of hard to get the information out of them in the first place. They said it's got an incredible 3 nanometer chip. And then I go, yeah, but which one though? And then I go, next was 25. So yeah, that is, that is potentially a downside of the new Flip. But the new Flip is also bigger. It has a bigger battery. 4300 milliamp hours versus 4000. It has a bigger external 4.1 inch display. The fun fact I just retweeted. Christian Selig just tweeted. It's a bigger screen than the original iPhone. Whoa. The outside secondary screen. No way. On the Flip is bigger than the original iPhone.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

So, yeah, it's fully like edge to edge. Yeah, it's a square, but it's, it's like around the cameras now which are just punched through cutouts. It's a 6.9-inch screen inside instead of 6.7. So bigger flip, thinner fold.

[B]

Thoughts?

[A]

Questions? Do they have decks? Yes, both have decks. Very exciting. Let's go. You know what's keeping that pre order now?

[C]

They had a port in the keynote where they were doing the skating spot with the skater person and someone was filming with the flip as if it was a Andy camcorder, which is a feature that the Moto RAZR brought a couple of years ago. And it. They have it, it's very fun.

[A]

They lean into the record.

[C]

They lean into it a lot. Like it has a different UI and you can like zoom in and out like you would do in a normal camcorder. And the UI is different. It's cool. I'm wondering if they're going to have anything like that. But it is funny that Samsung's like following Moto on this also. Moto had the full screen like way before.

[A]

Yes, they Did. Yes, they do. But you know, this is just Samsung going a. Like they looked around at others that were innovating in the space because technically they were first. But they went around and looked at the other successful features and they just adopted those into theirs. This is not the first thin fold either, but they just adopted that. They've re engineered the hinge and the displays and all that to make less of a crease and now they're the big one. So they're the one that people will see.

[C]

Yeah, it is nice to have that full screen. And I wonder if they're going to do any weird games like Moto did. They also had like some stuff where you'd have to like they used the cameras as little buckets and you had to like land them.

[B]

There's like a maze and you like, I think use the gyroscope, right? Yeah, I did like that. They did just because it reminded me of S10E days where they did like wallpapers on the front screen that used the camera part of like the cat's eyes or something like that.

[A]

I've always been into that. Very nice. Last major point. Fold 7 is $100 more expensive. It's 1999 starting. Yeah. Flip 7 is the same price. 10.99 starting. And then the FE is how you get in cheaper. That's 8.99 for an Exynos 2400.

[B]

Damn. That's still expensive though because like when Razer did their cheaper full. That was full flipping version a few years ago. That was like six or seven hundred bucks. That was like a great deal for if you want to be the person who's like, well, I'm not gonna spend too much on a phone, but it folds. What is this? Yeah, yeah, this is still pretty expensive.

[E]

Do any of these have G2?

[A]

No.

[B]

You knew that answer.

[A]

I didn't see it in the doc.

[B]

I had to do that.

[C]

Waiting for so long, dude.

[A]

Yeah, the Samsung experience is. Don't expect silicon carbon, don't expect Qi2, don't expect Ultra fast charging. Don't expect like the crazy features. Just you know, the stuff that's proven once one or two years of magic phones do it. All right, we can do that too. I can.

[B]

I can't wait to see the fold. It does look significantly thinner. It feels pretty awesome. The rock I also really want to see in person because it's.

[C]

We can bring him on the podcast.

[B]

Not the person, the.

[A]

Wait, what?

[B]

The rocking on the table. Oh, the video of you rocking it on the table is so funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It's the rock Lobster.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Freaky.

[C]

We should also mention that the fe, the screen is last year's screen. So did we say that?

[A]

Yeah, the FE is fully just a full. A Flip six.

[C]

Yeah, it's just a flip six with X and S. Yeah. Just a way to.

[E]

I'm kind of again thinking if that's the one to get this year because I feel like six.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Like the Flip seven and the fold seven didn't really impress me that much. And this one at that price, or maybe even last year's phone, if you get it at a discounted price, I feel. Well, assuming you want to flip, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Not a fold.

[A]

I think this is a big jump for the fold just as far as usability with all the thinnerness and lighterness. The flip, I could see that argument being fine. I want to see tests for these Exynos chips because there's rumors of like, oh, Samsung's going to go fully back to Exynos for everything. Tbd. I want to see benchmarks. I want to test this thing. But we don't have it yet. So I can't really say this is the one to get this year. I just want to see what they're actually capable of.

[B]

Stuff interesting.

[A]

But yeah, that's new folds and flips.

[C]

And then we've got the new watches.

[A]

New watches, new watch 8 and watch 8 Ultra. They all kind of now have this circle on a squircle design. And watch 8 classic. Thank you. 349 for watch 8. 499 for watch 8 classic. 649 for watch 8 ultra.

[C]

Is the ultra different from last year at all?

[B]

It's blue.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

No, no. I think that's stunning.

[A]

New blue color.

[C]

And that's what Apple did.

[B]

So it is a cool blue color.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That matches with very few things you have. But other than that. Watch Ultra, watch 8 Classic looks so good. Like, I think the. The circle on the squircle design on the regular eight does not look very good. In some of their graphics. It looked fine, but when you took footage of it, I thought it looked terrible. It just looks like it's missing a bunch and then. But when you add the bezel, the rotating bezel on that, it looks really good.

[C]

I kind of think they both look good.

[B]

I think the. The Watch A Classic is the best looking one out of all of them.

[C]

I like circle and squirrel.

[A]

Yeah. They call it a cushion now, which I get it. It's like, it kind of looks. I feel like it makes sense I don't know why, but it looks like a cushion. Yeah, it's like the circle on a bigger. A bigger, like squirrel shape. I don't know.

[C]

Cushion.

[A]

They call it cushion, but it's a good looking watch.

[D]

Throw pillow.

[A]

Yeah. I'm also gonna play. Let's see if we can keep this in the pie. But I'm going to play the clip of the. The runner now who's using a watch 8. Allegedly.

[C]

Jacob, it is such an honor. I'm a huge fan. I see that you're wearing the new Galaxy Watch 8. How does it feel?

[B]

It's his life.

[A]

Comfortable and easy to wear. I'm excited for the next dress.

[B]

It's so unfortunate. He just. Clearly there's a language barrier here, so I don't know why they decided to. To put him on stage even without the language barrier.

[D]

Like, don't they have live translation to deal with this?

[C]

The host, though, is just equally.

[B]

Yeah. Racing. What advice would you give to aspiring long distance runners? Discipline and consistent training. But it's not even.

[A]

Yeah, it's run a lot.

[B]

He's just like completely stone faced. He's literally standing like a character. Select screen.

[A]

I. I even think, like, this script, no matter who delivers it, is terrible.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You could have the most enthusiastic person just be like, oh, yeah, and you're a runner too. Like, what. What do you think? Like, while I have you here, how should I, like, train? Like, what do you think is good advice for me as a runner? Yeah, discipline and consistent training. That's the onstage answer. All right. I guess you could have said.

[C]

But also just the, like, it is such an honor. I am such a big fan.

[A]

Yeah. That was every transition.

[C]

What?

[A]

It was tough. Anyway. Anyway, so that's. Yeah, that was Samsung unpacked. There's plenty more to test. We're gonna get these devices in hand. We're gonna test them out. Let us know if you want to see reviews of each of these individual things. I know a lot of people are hungry for a Watch 8 review.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm hearing those. But yeah, let us know in the comments.

[C]

They did add the running coach that Apple added as well. Yeah. I'm wondering if it's just as cursed.

[A]

I think Apple's is way more like vocal and just encouraging. While so great.

[C]

You're doing good.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

One minute, one mile in.

[A]

You're at a good pace. Actually. This one will tell you, like, you're going too fast, you're going too slow. It is very similar in concept, to be honest. So, yeah, that's all happening and vascular. I.

[D]

If my run playlist was ever interrupted by an AI voice saying that I would fly to Cupertino personally to complain.

[A]

Yeah, I think this is not going to be my favorite feature. Well, we got more to talk about, but. But before we get there, Ad break and trivia.

[E]

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[D]

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[C]

Oh, no.

[E]

When they debuted the new Fold 7.

[D]

Everyone'S putting on their purses, right? Yeah.

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The debut.

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No.

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[B]

All right, welcome back.

[C]

Thanks.

[B]

You're welcome. But maybe not. You're welcome. Because we're going to teach you about sports.

[D]

Not again.

[A]

Every.

[C]

Every week we do this.

[D]

This time, this is tech sports.

[B]

This is formula one.

[D]

It's not ball sports.

[B]

It's not.

[C]

Oh, it's not basketball sports?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Not yet. Okay. Something pretty big.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Something pretty big happened in Formula one.

[A]

All right.

[B]

This morning, I think. Yeah. And I'm going to try and explain it. Listen, I. Everyone out there, those Formula one fans, I am this stupid American who watched Drive to Survive and Alex, Formula One. So take what I say with a grain of salt. But I'm going to explain to you what happened. And you are going to try, both of you, since you watch a little bit of Formula one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't know what it is at all.

[C]

Well, I know it's a. The, it's the car racing thing. Marquez one time when he did this formula explained video. I did watch that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I learned.

[C]

I learned that it's like more of an engineering competition.

[B]

It is a racing. It very much.

[C]

Which I find interesting.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

It's great. Silverstone was one of the most fun races I've ever watched, by the way. This weekend, Adam watched it. It was very good.

[C]

Those are like the guys with the.

[B]

They're not. It's a course. Okay, so what happened?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You both know Red Bull. Correct? Red Bull, the racing.

[C]

Do I? Oh, do I.

[B]

Well, in Red Bull's ever expanding way of marketing an energy drink, they bought an entire racing team.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that racing team in the last couple years has been like absolutely dominant. Max Verstappen beats people to a point where I think most betting sites you were betting on who was going to win, not including Max Verstappen.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[E]

Until this year.

[B]

Until this year where he has not been doing very good. McLaren is doing incredible. But yeah, Christian Horner, the principal of Red Bull. Am I getting that right? Principal manager.

[A]

Okay, COO.

[B]

It's very confusing because like Zach Brown is the CEO of McLaren Racing, but always kind of looks like the principal and drive to survive.

[D]

Anyways, Christian Horner, principal confirmed.

[B]

Principal confirmed. Thank you. Was let go from Red Bull today. Now he is the person who basically manages the drivers, manages kind of the strategy. He manages the entire team. And he has been with this team since 2004, I believe. 2004, 2005, pretty much when Red Bull started.

[A]

He.

[B]

He's been the managing the Red Bull racing team since Red Bull started. And they were not a team that was as dominant as they are now back then. Um, in fact, I think the story is that Red Bull bought a previous racing team for like $1 or something. They like bought the spot for a dollar. But then with the promise of investing like $300 million into it.

[E]

That's a heavy asterisk.

[B]

It is.

[A]

You can have this for a dollar *.

[B]

Christian Horner has been like the. The face of managing Red Bull.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean I think Red Bull's got 3,300 million in their wallet.

[C]

All from me.

[B]

And because they've been so dominant, Max and Christian have kind of been like untouchable as it feels like. Last year, one of the main race car designers of Red Bull, Adrian Newey, left the team after some. There was some controversy that Christian did that I don't feel like talking about. But people know about the controversy.

[C]

Did they knew he left the team?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Yes, he left the team. Max and Newey were pretty close. So Max stayed with the team this year. He has not been racing well. Very poorly, in fact. Really, like bad.

[A]

Not podiuming.

[B]

Yeah, like not podium like a lot. I think he had his first DNF in like two years or something. Also did not finish the race.

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

I mean like this is a guy who was like straight up going into races where he had like he won qualifying. He had the fastest lap of the race and won the race most of the races in the season. And now he's like consistently not podium. Anyways, Christian Horner left this morning which is like a big shock to the whole world. Max is still there. There's a bunch of rumors of Max potentially leaving to Mercedes and this kind of makes it feel a little more true or a last ditch effort to save it. But I wanted you guys to attempt to explain this in tech terms of kind of the leader of Red Bull.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I think since the. The team started and was terrible and no one cared about them, clawed them up to the top of being a. Basically a movable object.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To now within half a season of not being in a movable object is gone.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

After 20 years.

[A]

Carl Pay leaving OnePlus.

[D]

But one plus doesn't isn't trash.

[A]

Well, OnePlus had this super rise where he was. He was on it for a long time. Maybe not 20 years, but he was on it for a long time. Then they had this meteoric rise. So they were literally a fan favorite.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The OnePlus one all the way through to like the OnePlus 7. Like God tier phones for enthusiasts. People love these things. They were like, oh my God, they could just have wireless charging in this one little thing. This would be like the greatest phone ever. And. And then they just stopped podiuming hard. Like they stopped making films that people really Loved. And they started making ones that were a little overpriced and started to go off the deep end. And then Carl Pei left and started another thing. A lot of people followed him. He was kind of the Max, or maybe he's the Christian Warner, I don't know. But he was one of the driving forces between them or for why they got started.

[E]

Driving forces.

[B]

I'll throw one more thing out there, because I think a lot of people do like Carl Pay. No one is upset that Christian Horner is off of Red Bull. He's like, kind of the villain at this point. I mean, he had a controversy last year, but he's also just kind of been.

[C]

What makes him a dick.

[B]

He's been an. So he's.

[A]

He's both responsible for their rise for 20 years and also people hate him.

[B]

He's partially responsible. I mean, he was like the leader of it. So it's. You have to give him some responsibility. Adrian Newey probably would be in tech.

[A]

Who is that?

[C]

He knew. He knew he'd leave.

[B]

I think I started coming up with an idea and it felt Steve Jobsy because, like, Apple wasn't back.

[D]

But no one was mad when.

[B]

I mean.

[D]

No. Yeah. No one was mad that. Sorry. No one was happy. Steve Jobs. Are you talking about, like, 1980?

[B]

No one loves Steve Jobs. You're not talking about, like.

[D]

Are you talking about Steve Jobs passing or Steve Jobs leaving Apple?

[C]

No, no.

[B]

Leaving Apple. Coming back. Oh, when he left Apple the first time, like, they were. They're starting. I guess he. I guess Apple didn't really start to claw into the. Like, we are, number one. Screw everyone else till his. The end of his second tenure.

[D]

No, they.

[C]

They had that for a long time.

[D]

No, other than the Macintosh. The. The 84 Macintosh. Apple actually didn't really have a single hit product.

[C]

No. Yeah, but they still. Their. Their whole ethos was always like, we design things differently than everybody else.

[D]

Totally. No, no, totally. It's just that none of them actually sold well other than the Macintosh. And if I'm wrong about that. Please. The Apple II sold well and the 2e.

[A]

But other than that, it's an interesting story. I don't know that. Yeah, it's. It's actually one of those that probably doesn't have a direct equivalent, because in this case, Apple and Red Bull have to be equivalent. And I don't know if Red Bull and Apple are equivalent.

[C]

We're basically just trying to describe a guy that no one liked. Leaving a team team.

[B]

But a guy. A guy who, like, is Fairly responsible for this team being the, like, number one. Like, not just number one, but, like, best number one.

[A]

Dominating.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Interesting.

[D]

Yeah. It was like.

[A]

It's weird because I have, like, a different analogy, but it's also sports.

[D]

No, me, too. All I have are sports analysis.

[A]

I have other sports, other coaches leaving teams who. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[C]

It's like when Mr. Krabs, like, left.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Left the. Krabby left the Krusty Krab.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Because he built it up, you know? And then spongebob took over.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And everyone was like, okay.

[A]

Wait, did that happen?

[E]

What?

[A]

I don't think this happened, but this is. I still like the analogy, though.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, let's.

[C]

Okay, I'm gonna make a fake spongebob episode.

[A]

Krusty Krabs is number one.

[C]

Yeah. Krusty Krab.

[A]

Red Bull Racing team.

[C]

Krusty Krab was number one.

[A]

Right. The reason they're number one is both spongebob, who is actually probably Max Verstappen. But also, behind the scenes, everyone hates Mr. Krabs. But you need a Christian Horner, a Mr. Krabs to make this thing go.

[B]

I feel like Christian Horner and Mr. Krabs give off pretty similar vibes.

[A]

So they got to number one. Christian Horner, aka Mr. Krabs, leaves.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they're suddenly, like, Krabby Patty is not doing well. Like, they're not getting customers. Who's Plankton in this case? Probably, like, Lewis Hamilton is Plankton. And he's like, yo, come join this side. Because he's on the Mercedes team. Right. Or he's Ferrari now.

[B]

So Plankton would be like Toto.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Toto.

[A]

He's saying. He's saying, come over to this side. Hey, SpongeBob, come over to our. Come over to the Chum bucket. Which is.

[C]

Which didn't. That was Mercedes. That was an episode.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Where spongebob is Carl Pay Larry the Lobster in this analogy.

[A]

Yeah. I kind of. Wait, Lobster.

[B]

Lobster. Okay. But you guys saved this because.

[D]

No, no, no. I think I have the tech CEO equivalent, guys.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I think the best one we can come up with so far is. And I actually don't know how to pronounce this guy's name, so we're going to call him Travis. And Travis started a little company called Uber.

[C]

Oh, Kalanick.

[D]

Is that how you say it?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Fair enough. All right. Travis Kalanick. I told myself I wouldn't say people's names that I didn't look up.

[A]

I know.

[C]

So you can blame yourself if you're wrong.

[D]

If I'm wrong, well, I am in your seat. Travis Kalanick started Uber. Everyone was like, this is dumb. It is a little dumb. And then it ended up becoming worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. Everyone was like, wow, this guy is the worst boss I've ever even dreamed of. There's actually a quote somewhere of him telling Steve Jobs. At some point, it was either Tim Cook or Steve Jobs telling him like, no. I structured this entire board so that no one could ever tell me no, including my cfo, which ended up not going so well for Uber. Anyway, eventually it was the same thing. Some other stuff happened. We don't need to talk about it on the podcast. And he got. He resigned. You know what I mean? But the board made him resign. And it was the same thing. Or it was like, you know, this entire operation was his vision, was like his doing. But I literally cannot wait to have him not involved anymore.

[A]

You know, I like that one. I like that one.

[D]

Did I win?

[A]

I also just opened up Twitter and at the top of my timeline, a picture of Sam Altman and Johnny. I've came up. And Jony I've is another interesting comp. He was putting out bangers and people loved the designs for a while. And then suddenly it wasn't hitting and he was going ultra thin and he's removing ports and he left.

[C]

And everyone's like, I'm not too sad about that because they brought back all the.

[A]

The ports and.

[D]

Yeah, and the book I literally can't stop talking about Apple in China.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Brings up this really good point that during Jony, I've's like, you know, heavy hitting tenure, there was this culture at Apple where you couldn't really say no to the industrial design department, which he led. And there weren't that many engineers. I should rephrase that. There weren't that many people whose primary focus was engineering at industrial design.

[A]

A lot of designers.

[D]

So there was a lot of designs that broke the laws of physics that then the product engineers would go, guys, plastic doesn't you want me to put.

[A]

An i9 in this? Are you crazy?

[D]

The classic example is the handle in the original imac was not connected to the structural frame of the computer. So it was just a piece of plastic that you would literally just end up ripping out of the body if you ever tried to lift it. And Jony, I've was like, it has to be there. Like, sorry. Like, figure it out.

[C]

They fought over it for so long.

[D]

So yeah, Jony, I've another good example.

[C]

Jony I've is a great example next to Mr. Krabs.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I like our analogies, Mr. Krabs and Johnny. I've hopefully Travis Kalanick. After this segment, people better understand what happened in Formula one this week.

[D]

Travis Kalanick.

[C]

That's her. How? I've heard every other person say it.

[A]

For some reason I had Travis Kelce in my head because that's how I've read that name for so long. But obviously that's not.

[C]

Those are different people.

[D]

When Travis Kelce misses like one catch and then Taylor Swift breaks, dude. Bill Belichick, another great example.

[E]

That's sports.

[A]

Oh, things happen.

[D]

It's all sports, man.

[A]

You can't use sports, sports.

[D]

But you know what you can use to describe how much you guys know about stuff?

[A]

What is that?

[D]

Trivia, baby.

[A]

Facts.

[C]

Facts with the six packs, sailor. Do, do, do.

[B]

Thank you all for saving that segment.

[D]

It is now time to talk about the original fairphone. Throwing it back.

[A]

Pen.

[D]

How? Oh, so I did look it up. It wasn't crowdfunded. There was some sort of like symposium, if you will, where it was announced and you could place like pre orders either online or at the symposium. Anyway, so in this pre order first batch of fairphone ones, how many did they make? Keep in mind this is Price is Right rules. If you go over, your answer will be disqualified. Also, I will let you guys know. So the reason this number was released is because they hit this number a month ahead of schedule. Go fairphone.

[C]

Oh, so it's gonna be big.

[D]

I don't know, David, how many first? So this is not the total number of fairphones ones made. This was the number in the first production run of them.

[A]

I am gonna lose this one because I'm not doing prices right style very well. All right, I wrote.

[B]

I'm trying not to read your other answer.

[A]

5,000.

[C]

All right.

[B]

I wrote 500.

[D]

All right.

[C]

I wrote 999.

[D]

All right, none of you went over. Which means Marquez gets the point. The correct number was 25,000.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Wow, that's a lot.

[D]

Which is really impressive. And I was able to fact check that in independent journals.

[A]

That's actually way more impressive than I thought.

[D]

That is very impressive. Good job, fairphone. We love what you're doing. Except Marques with your butt button.

[A]

I don't hate the button.

[B]

It's a switch.

[A]

You're overreacting.

[C]

It's a switch.

[A]

It's a switch too.

[E]

All right, quick update on the score after that point. Marquez with 28, Andrew with 17 and David with 31.

[A]

All right.

[E]

Were you guys paying attention? What is the name of the hinge in the new Z Fold 7? What did they brand it as?

[A]

So I wrote my answer down already. And I remember writing this down when they said the name of it. But it was in the briefing, not in the keynote.

[E]

Oh, it came with a nice, like, cool graphic in the keynote too. It was really nice.

[A]

I believe that.

[B]

How many points do I get if I get one letter of it correct?

[E]

Zero.

[B]

Because I remember a letter from it.

[A]

That's not helpful. Well, yeah. Really, one letter is the letter H.

[B]

Yeah, I was just gonna say yes.

[D]

From the word oh.

[B]

Hinge. Oh, let's go. I didn't even think of that.

[A]

All right, flip em and read. What do we got? That was sick.

[C]

I wrote quantum hinge.

[E]

Nope.

[B]

I wrote nothing.

[E]

Nope. That's a brand.

[A]

I wrote Armored aluminum hinge. Is that what it is? No. No. Was it not armored aluminum?

[E]

It was Armor Flex hinge.

[A]

Armor. Armor Flex Flex Aluminum.

[E]

Because they're flexing how flexible their hinges.

[A]

I feel like that's like half credit. Oh, well, dang.

[C]

Take it up with the registrar.

[A]

I would be. If this was closest without going over, I would have gotten it. You know what I mean? Armor. Yeah. Okay, that's it. Thanks for watching the pod this week. Like I said in the comment section, let us know what stuff you want to see reviewed. And also I asked for comments about something else that I forgot, but you guys already know because you left the comments already.

[C]

How Many Nintendo Switch 2s did you buy this year?

[A]

It's probably that or something else. Thanks for subscribing. Huge deal that you guys are subscribing. If you do subscribe. I believe if you turn on notifications, then you'll get an alert when we start the livestream.

[C]

I think that's good.

[A]

So if you hit the bell, then when we start the livestream for episode 300, you'll get a notification. I think that's what happens.

[E]

And you can see the chaos unfold live.

[A]

Yeah. And you'll see what a real taping of this show looks like without rains or whatever.

[C]

Samsung says as the galaxy unfolds. We say the chaos unfolds.

[A]

Exactly. So join us as it unfolds on Tuesday at 11 Eastern. Is that right? 11 Eastern, 11am Eastern. Thanks for joining us. Catch you guys next week. Peace.

[C]

Goodbye.

[B]

Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis river, partner with Vox Media Podcast Network. And Traction Music was created by Vane Sill Lingo.

[D]

My best friend Ian, who you guys all know. Now listens to the podcast every week, but has never watched the video version.

[C]

No.

[D]

And so when I was with him for 4th of July, I was like, yeah, I sat at the big table this week. He was like, he's like, what do you mean? He's like, I sat at, like, the host table. He's like, what do you mean? You're not a host? I was like, no, I sit at what? And he's like, I don't watch. Like, I just. I only listen. I was like, dude, I literally sit in the corner of the room at a separate table.

[A]

My soundboard.

[D]

I know. And he was like, that's crazy. He's like, I thought you were just, like, really quiet.

[E]

Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a 4 liter jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

[A]

Oh, come on.

[E]

They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip.

[A]

Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool. Whatever.

[E]

You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia made to travel.