Why Bother with the Pixel 10a?

Summary

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Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

Episode Summary — "Why Bother with the Pixel 10a?"

Date: February 20, 2026
Hosts: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD), Andrew Manganelli, David Imel

Overview of the Episode

This episode centers on the launch of Google's Pixel 10a and its nearly indistinguishable updates compared to its predecessor, the Pixel 9a. The team also discusses broader industry trends in minimal hardware updates, touches on the ethics and implications of surveillance tech like Ring, delves into upcoming Apple and Samsung events, evaluates new podcasting distribution options, and closes with a spirited game segment. Throughout, the hosts maintain their trademark blend of sharp tech criticism, playful banter, and deep industry knowledge.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "Did They Even Test This?" — New Weekly Segment

[03:03]

• Kicks off with the team sharing minor but persistent tech annoyances.
• Andrew shares frustration with Slack’s “heart” emoji icon, which doesn’t actually contain heart emojis in its mobile app—an oversight they hope Slack will fix.
  • Quote — Andrew: “I want to keep it brief. That is my ‘Did they even test this?’ The heart category with no hearts in it?” [05:07]
• David follows with a lighthearted gripe about metal watch bands pulling arm hair, sparking a Seinfeld-esque riff.

2. Ring Doorbell & Surveillance State Update

[08:58]

• David recaps Ring’s Super Bowl ad promoting a “Search Party” feature for finding lost dogs—a feature enabling widespread neighborhood camera sharing.
• Massive backlash led Amazon/Ring to walk back the feature just days after the ad aired.
• Discussion on founder Jamie Siminoff’s controversial vision for a comprehensive surveillance network to “bring crime to zero.”
  • Quote — David: “He actually wants there to be a surveillance state specifically because he is laser focused on getting crime down to zero.” [10:09]
• Debate about privacy, utility, and what constitutes legitimate use for such tech.

3. AirDrop on Pixel – A Disappointing Rollout

[13:43]

• Google’s AirDrop-equivalent, initially promised for the Pixel 10 series, is now coming to the Pixel 9 series—excluding the 9a.
• Hosts speculate this is likely to preserve some differentiator for the new 10a.
  • Quote — Andrew: “Do you think they didn’t do 9a because when 10a drops, 10a will have it…?” [13:52]
• The general tone is lightly mocking of these incremental feature releases.

4. Blip as an AirDrop Alternative

[15:11]

• The team sings the praises of "Blip," a cross-platform, more reliable AirDrop alternative—particularly beneficial for content creators moving files between Android and Mac.

5. Pixel 10a: What’s Actually New? (Or Not)

[16:41]

Spec Sheet Comparison and Key Points

• Hardware between 9a and 10a is almost identical:
  • Same display size and resolution, battery, cameras, and chip (Tensor G4).
  • Tiny differences: perfectly flush camera bump, ~10% thinner bezels, slightly faster charging and marginally brighter display.
• No new features like Qi2 magnets—the anticipated “Pixel Snap” feature—and no move to bigger storage.
  • Quote — Marques: "They didn’t move to the Tensor G5. They didn’t add…256 gigs of base storage...They didn’t do any of the things they could have done that I think would have been nice at this $499 price.” [18:28]

Why Release the 10a at All?

• Team wonders aloud: If it’s the same, why bother releasing it?
  • Marketing inertia: a new number keeps the product from looking “old” to new buyers.
  • Quote — Marques: “Some new shopper is going to start looking for a budget phone...they’ll see that there is a 9a and no 10a...If there’s a 10a, they’ll consider it.” [22:20]
• The group reminisces about more meaningful updates and bemoans the vague reviewer documentation that often leads to confusion on features like charging speed.

6. Broader Industry Trend: Incremental Updates

[24:55], [48:54]

• The Pixel's minimal changes are emblematic of a wider movement—the “spec bump era” where Apple, Google, and Samsung incrementally refresh products without meaningful innovation.
• Quote — Marques: “It’s not even about the phones anymore. It’s just about Gemini and what they can do with Gemini.” [24:28]

7. Apple Event Speculation — Cheaper MacBooks, Air’s New Slot

[33:01]

• The team dives into leaks and speculation about Apple’s upcoming March event:
  • Rumored A-series MacBook could undercut the successful MacBook Air, target the Chromebook/education market, and shift Air back into the “mid-tier.”
  • Possible colorful chassis options; comparison to Apple’s prior “too early” minimalist MacBook and Mac Pro designs, positing that Apple Silicon now enables those ideas.
  • Display lineup also likely to get updates (Studio Display 2 with high refresh rates and mini-LED/Thunderbolt connectivity).

8. Podcasting Landscape & Apple Video Podcast Announcement

[44:44], [53:20]

• Apple introduces video podcasts, but Waveform isn’t debuting on the platform yet due to backend limitations (Megaphone not yet supported).
• Hosts discuss how the economics and discoverability of shows may shift as video podcasting matures, and why they prioritize YouTube as a platform for growth and monetization.
  • Quote — David: "We're half a podcast. We're half a YouTube channel, basically. And we need to keep getting views on YouTube..." [53:22]

9. Games Segment: "Two Truths and a Lie" (with Producer Table)

[61:54]

• Producers challenge hosts with obscure trivia and spec-based games ranging from Pixel and iPhone facts to fun personal anecdotes and even trivia about New Jersey.
• Notable lighthearted moments and team banter keep the tech talk lively.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Pixel 10a’s Lack of Meaningful Update:
  • Marques [16:41]: "I went into this thinking, it's the same phone...the spec sheet in front of me...what did they actually change in the Pixel 10a? It's the same price...almost literally the same."
• On Surveillance & Ring CEO’s Goals:
  • David [10:09]: “He actually wants there to be a surveillance state...laser focused on getting crime down to zero.”
• On Minimal Yearly Phone Updates:
  • Andrew [20:01]: "If you’re gonna change everything by, like, such an imperceivable amount, why even change it, exactly?"
• On Apple’s Event Speculation:
  • Marques [35:13]: "...there are lots of laptops that are way cheaper than [the MacBook Air]...what if you need a laptop and you have $600? This is a spot that Apple can probably ship a ton of laptops."
• On Podcast Platform Wars and Monetization:
  • David [54:33]: “The reason Joe Rogan took that $100 million deal was, like, he was making a lot of money on YouTube...that’s how much it cost to convince him to not put it on YouTube.”
• On the Irony of Product Names and Monopolies:
  • David [58:02]: “Earlier in the episode, we talked about Ring, but Ring was not always called Ring. ... Campbell [was an option], which would get sued immediately.”

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Important Timestamps

• [03:03] — First “Did they even test this?” segment (Slack emoji rant)
• [08:58] — Ring’s Super Bowl “Search Party” feature backlash and company mission
• [13:43] — AirDrop (Quick Share) feature rollout frustration on Pixel phones
• [15:11] — Praise for Blip as AirDrop alternative
• [16:41] — Pixel 10a versus 9a: detailed hardware discussion
• [24:55] — AI is now the core Pixel differentiator, not hardware
• [33:01] — Apple event speculation: entry-level MacBook, education market focus, new display rumors
• [44:44] — Apple Podcasts video announcement and business model impact
• [61:54] — Start of the "Two Truths and a Lie" game segment with tech trivia
• [98:56] — Breaking news: Internal emails from Ring CEO corroborate the company's surveillance ambitions

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Episode Structure & Flow

1. Lighthearted Tech Annoyances — Quick personal rants, setting the tone for casual but insightful discussion.
2. Major Tech News — Ring’s retreat, and Google’s new feature missteps.
3. Deep Dive — The Pixel 10a’s relevance, the philosophy of “upgrades,” and shifting value to software/AI.
4. Industry Outlook — Upcoming events from industry giants, speculation on product strategy, and reflections on the “minimal innovation” era.
5. Podcast Landscape — Meta-discussion of where and how audiences engage with tech content, and the evolving podcasting world.
6. Interactive Segment — Games and friendly host/producer competitions that keep the show participatory and relatable.

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Waveform captures a moment of industry stasis—where major players are iterating, not innovating, and the “new” can feel indistinguishable from the old. The team delivers thoughtful tech critique wrapped in wit and high-energy commentary. Serious issues like digital privacy and platform economics are balanced by trivia games and inside jokes, creating an engaging listen for tech-savvy fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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We're your hosts.

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I'm Marques.

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I'm Andrew.

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I'm David.

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And this week we've got the pixel 10a. Sorry, almost the same thing. 10a. A random march Apple event that has been announced. We'll have some thoughts. A ring doorbell update. You might have heard us crash out about that last week. And also video on Apple podcasts. And we're gonna wrap it up with a game from Adam. Also, make sure you subscribe just before we get into it at all. We saw a comment on the last episode that said you could still hype us.

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That was. They've been saying it since we hit 500,000. So for a couple episodes, we're either

[B]

wrong about the requirements for being hyped or you guys are like breaking YouTube.

[A]

YouTube has already forgotten about hyping.

[B]

Yeah, let's. Let's make sure we're far enough clear past 500k that we're definitely past 500k. So make sure you subscribe if you haven't already. And if you do see a hype button, let me know. Like, tweet it at us.

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Press it first.

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Yeah, press it and then screen record it and then send it to us.

[D]

Click it.

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I want to start off this episode with I've Been thinking of like a segment we can do to start an apology to Xfinity that is never happening. I do have. I'll have a very brief update on that later. But I was thinking of an idea and I sent this all to you guys so you can all brainstorm it for future episodes. But like a really fast five minute segment to start every episode off with. So my conclusion was a little segment we're going to try called did they even test this? Because people really liked our crash outs last week and kind of. They love when we complain about super random things that we don't are so minuscule but that frustrate us. And there's so much.

[E]

My entire personality.

[A]

It is I. This stemmed from me wanting to do a episode where all of us record every time a piece of tech does something we don't want it to do during the day. And I think it's way more than you would think. Um, but this can be. We can slowly write them all down. But anyways, this is just going to be a very obvious thing that is wrong in a piece of tech that you have. And every week we'll do one. Whoever wants to do it. I'm going to start mine with I need my phone here in Slack. You know, Slack has plenty of issues by itself. The end Slack applications. Yeah. So if you go into Slack and go to write a message and use the emote button either to react or to just put an emote. There's an emoji emoji button. You'll see this list of icons that are the categories for what all of the different. Because we're at hundreds and hundreds of emojis now. Right. One of these icons is a heart. What do you think would be under the heart icon category?

[D]

Different types of hearts, body parts.

[A]

It is actually the symbols category.

[D]

Oh, what?

[A]

There's not a single heart. What in the symbols category. Which is.

[D]

Why does heart denote a symbol? Well, it is a symbol, but it is not that kind of symbol.

[A]

Yeah. It's when the heart is one of the most used reaction slash like emotes probably most people use.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You think they'd have that right? But I've been tricked by this so many times where I go to like heart one of someone's post in Slack and I get this one thing we found that's kind of weird about it is I believe on like on desktop in my Slack, it's actually a piece symbol instead. Which makes more sense.

[B]

That does make more sense.

[A]

So this may possibly be just a weird mobile thing. They didn't fix.

[D]

Yeah, I'm checking on.

[B]

Is that on my phone as well? Yeah.

[A]

And then I go to press heart and I get atm, biohazard sign, yin yang arrows. Well, hopefully it's in your frequency.

[D]

Hopefully it's in your frequently used.

[A]

It's not always, but anyways, I use our HDR emote. Way too much emoji. But yeah, so that is my. I want to keep it brief. That is my. Did they even test this? The heart category with no hearts in it?

[B]

Yeah. We should Slack, if you're listening to this, maybe update that. I have a feeling there's a lot of things that we're going to find that the companies kind of just forgot about. And then we resurface it and they go, oh, yeah. And then they can just. They can just fix it.

[D]

Yeah, but Salesforce owns Slack and I imagine all they think about is KPIs and not hearts.

[A]

Yeah. And making a Mr. Beast commercial.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

But there's gotta be someone from Slack who watches this podcast. There's probably like one person.

[D]

Probably.

[B]

There's gotta be one person.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And they can fire off an email. I'm sure they have an internal Slack at Slack. Right. They can send a quick Slack message.

[E]

They actually use teams.

[A]

Use teams?

[E]

No.

[B]

Well, they can find a way to hopefully maybe update that. We'll see if we can get it done.

[D]

Okay, that'd be good.

[B]

Next week we'll find.

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Another thing my did is. Is metal watch bands. Does anyone. They always pull your hair.

[A]

This feels like a Seinfeld joke. What's the deal with metal watch bands?

[D]

I mean, they've been, you know, classic for many years, but they always just pull your arm hairs. Maybe I'm just too hairy. I don't know.

[B]

Same. Same here.

[A]

It wants you to remember you've got a sick watch on all the time.

[D]

That's true. Yeah, that's true.

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Yeah.

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We solved that.

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We solved.

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Yeah. So everyone put it in your notes app. Let's try and do one every week. I think it'll be fun. And it's 12 just off the top of my head.

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Whenever you need, let me know.

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I'll also very quickly do a quick Internet update. I did have my Internet back by the time I got home on Wednesday. Don't clap. Please do not clap. They do not deserve a Comcast. One funny thing that happened was I get a call on Friday and it's a person saying, hey, this is Bobo with Xfinity. Did you know no one's home right now? And I said I did know no one's home right now. Why are you at my house? And he's like, oh, there were some other wires hanging low and I got a thing to come and fix them. I was like, okay. No one told me that. And he said, well, they're technically telephone wires. And then that guy, super nice, the actual technician, he was like, they're not even our wires. But I think I have something that can probably move them up a little bit so nothing actually accidentally touches it. He winds up doing the whole thing and giving me his personal cell phone number because he says, don't even try calling the 1, 800 number. It accomplishes nothing.

[B]

That is so shout out to that guy.

[A]

Exactly. The technicians who come are basically always actually knowledgeable and helpful.

[B]

Yeah, they're poorly managed.

[A]

I just. You can't get in touch with them.

[B]

Yeah. So I do feel like I had a very similar experience for some reason, like getting fiber installed. I don't remember what exactly happened, but I remember the actual in person technical person being way more helpful than anyone at the company trying to get them.

[A]

One more funny story about this really fast is I got an email last week. Let me find it real fast from Comcast business point of contact, who tried to contact us to see if we needed any business needs from Comcast, which was possibly the worst timing ever after everything happened last week. So my little piece of help, or revenge, I guess, is I just got to send him a nice email that said there's zero chance after the horrible experience I had last week and now we're not interested at working with Xfinity at all. That was my little soul solace of that whole experience.

[B]

Hopefully some human read that instead of just AI filtering it away.

[A]

Well, he even says in his email, save my contact information. No need to wait on our 1, 800 lines for an available remote agent call center.

[E]

Someone think this was in response to your rant?

[A]

No. Cause it's just a salesperson price spamming people.

[E]

So you think it was just like coincidence that they just.

[A]

A really unfortunate coincidence.

[D]

Damn. Well, Internet is a monopoly. Other things that are not monopolies but could be surveillance states. We have a little update to our ring story from last week. So if you didn't listen to last week's episode, effectively one of the super bowl commercials that came out was that ring the doorbell company owned by Amazon had this new feature that they were going to turn on where basically all the rings would act as surveill state cameras. And if you lost your dog, it would identify your Dog. And totally not people.

[E]

And only your dog.

[D]

We record this episode. We record this podcast on Wednesdays. On Thursday, Ring came out and basically was like, never mind, we're not. So they spent all that money on the super bowl ad. And then they were like, actually, we're not going to be working with Flock to do this anymore. They cited a bunch of reasons that probably were not the reasons. And really the real reason was just that everyone was like, oh, yeah, canceling, and I'm subscribing and getting rid of Ring and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But what's kind of ironic about this is like the. The CEO of Ring, the founder of Ring, they.

[C]

Mr. Ring.

[D]

Mr. Ring himself, he has been very outspoken in this fact that, like, he actually wants there to be a surveillance state specifically because he is like, laser focused on getting crime down to zero. And he's like, yeah, I mean, I eventually want all of these cameras to just continuously be recording everybody everywhere and going to police. And we want to work with police.

[A]

Everyone everywhere, all at once. Yeah.

[D]

There are two schools of thought.

[E]

That's why he started the company.

[D]

It is not untrue that crime goes down when people think that they are going to get caught, obviously.

[B]

Right.

[D]

So that is these two schools of thought that people have. And he's been very outspoken on the fact that he thinks that this is the way forward. There's actually a good decoder episode with Nilay about this that he went on and did with him, and he's pretty straightforward on what he wants to do with this. But obviously all of that backlash made it so that they are deciding that they are not going to do this anymore.

[A]

So I think they said, like, it was taking longer than they expected and definitely had nothing to do with the immense backlash that came after them spending probably almost $10 million on a commercial.

[B]

I'm just looking back. I mean, 10 million is almost nothing to them. But it is funny that, like, they called it Search party.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

There's just. I'm looking back, like, how did this make it all the way to the end? You know?

[D]

Well, I have a.

[B]

Somebody had the idea and was like, here's a great idea. And everyone in marketing was like, yeah, yeah. And then not one single person went, hey, you know what this looks like? And it just went all the way to the end.

[A]

I was at a bakery this weekend and someone in our town lost their dog. And I saw a couple look at the thing and say, oh, did you see that commercial in the Super Bowl? Like, it can find lost dogs. That's pretty cool. And I was like, no, that's good.

[B]

That's exactly how they were hoping it would go. Yeah, that's exactly what they were picturing.

[A]

So there are people who do think that. It's just also really funny when you think about the numbers they put in the commercial of being like a million

[D]

people lose their dogs one per day.

[A]

And we find one per day. We find like 0.01% of dogs that get lost.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And also watch everything.

[B]

Compassionate, valid use case for something that could obviously be used for way worse things.

[D]

And they're like, oh, it doesn't even have access. It doesn't even have the ability to recognize faces. That's our separate feature called familiar faces. But they don't touch each other at all.

[B]

Like, okay, but we can recognize dogs like really well.

[C]

But only dogs.

[D]

We trained our model on a thousand dogs.

[A]

We know they need to hire the marketing people at Apple who just make you terrified of not purchasing their products. That would work a little bit. Yeah, that like three, there's a bear storm, you die.

[D]

Yeah. The bear in the house video.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Okay. Well, another thing that happened where we thought it would be better, but it actually got worse is that the Google has announced that the Pixel 9 series is now going to have the ability to use Airdrop as well. So if you remember, a few weeks ago, Google added compatibility for the Pixel 10 series to have Airdrop. They said, we are excited to bring this to more Android phones soon. We were hoping that more Android phones would be more Android phones, not more Google phones. And so they're being added to. It's being added to all Pixel 9 devices except for the 9a. And when reached for comment about this, Google just kind of gave their PR answer of we're excited to bring this to more Android phones in the future. I was really hoping they were just going to be using the Pixel 10 series as a test bed to make sure it worked on Android at all and had enough stability, et cetera, et cetera. But now they're just putting. Pushing it to the nine. They still haven't done the eight. There's all these other phones. I don't really know what needs to

[A]

be done here, here, but can I. Do you think they didn't do 9a? Because when 10a drops, 10a will have it and they need to wait a couple months for 9A to get it. So then 9A doesn't have it cuz.

[D]

Oh my God.

[A]

Nothing. We'll talk about in a minute. But not much has changed in the 10A.

[D]

That is a Google thing to do. But doing that off the back of finally having an Apple feature is just very strange. They usually do that in Google Photos. They don't usually do that.

[B]

Yeah, that's common with other features.

[A]

I'm a blip. Stan. Sorry. Before we get off Airdrop, Blip rules.

[B]

Blip kind of hit the studio this year hard. And like we have been an airdrop studio, as you've probably been familiar. Like a lot of us are using Final Cut Pro and Max in the studio. So we like pass files back and forth and it's decently useful for I'd say anything up to about one gig. But as soon as I see like 890 megabytes, I need to send somebody a file. I'm like, do I really want to airdrop this? Like it's going to not work some of the times the UI Also speaking of, did you test this? Every time I go to open to share an airdrop, it starts populating and it goes 3, 6, 12, 15, a ton of devices and I go to click the one to AirDrop to and then it slides over and it slides again to the next row every single time I miss and I send it to the wrong person and it's really annoying. So please test that Apple. Anyway, Airdrop usually doesn't work after a large enough file size or it's extremely slow. And Rufus, I think is the one who brought Blip to the studio. He's like, have you guys tried blip? And we're like, what's that? And he's like, yeah, it's just an app that does the same exact thing,

[A]

but it actually works and cross platform

[B]

and it's cross platform and it's local, it's faster.

[C]

We got to give Rubiz a little more credit because it was the kind of thing where he was like, let me blip this to you. We were like, dude, you want me to download a thing? Just so you know I'm not getting another.

[B]

It's like airdrops right here, bro. It's right here. It works.

[C]

And then everyone sends their first blip and it's like, whoa.

[A]

Do you know what? For the super niche content tech content creators out there who might be reviewing Android phones and editing on a Mac, being able to send the files through Blip instead is life changing.

[B]

It's huge. I'm gonna send it to four people. Yeah, all four of us who are reviewing Android phones. Yeah, it's really good. Anyway, Google decided to drop the Pixel 10a this week, they were teasing it for a little bit. They were sort of teasing it because it looks the same. So they just showed us what it looked like already. Now we have all the official specs and all the official numbers and everything, and it's the same as the Pixel 9a, almost literally the same. So I went into this thinking, it's the same phone. I have the spec sheet in front of me here. Display, same size, same resolution. I'm going back and forth. Okay. Display, batteries, same size. Okay. Cameras? Same exact Cameras. All right. Chip, Same exact pixel. The Tensor four chip. So I'm like, what do they actually change in the Pixel 10a? It's the same price, in case you're curious. I have a full list here of everything that's different about pixel 10a. Perfect versus pixel 9a. Ready?

[D]

I'm ready.

[B]

The camera bump, which was pretty flush.

[D]

Before, it was, like, very flush.

[B]

It was actually like, a millimeter protruding. Now it's actually zero flush.

[D]

So it took an angle grinder to it. Yeah.

[B]

The uniform bezels, I can't tell with my eyes, but I'm told they're slightly thinner.

[D]

10%, as they say.

[E]

It doesn't look it.

[B]

Wired charging goes from 23 watts to 30. Wireless charging goes from seven and a half watts to 10.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

And the display is 10% brighter.

[A]

Did they tell you the wired charging thing? Their spec sheet they sent is so vague and annoying.

[D]

10% brighter?

[A]

Yeah, on the spec sheet they sent us, it just says 10%.

[D]

It's like, imperceivable brightness change.

[A]

It was like 2700. Peak brightness to 3000.

[D]

Yeah, but brightness is logarithmic already, so,

[B]

like, yeah, it's not gonna blow your mind, but it's a little brighter. And otherwise it's the same phone, same tensor G4, same 8 gigs of RAM.

[E]

Does it have.

[A]

Nope, probably not.

[B]

Nope. My one. This is the thing about releasing a new phone that's basically the same as last year. A lot of people sometimes like to complain, like, oh, you didn't change anything. But I think without any substance for what they should have changed, that's kind of an empty complaint, because change for the sake of change doesn't really help anyone. You want to keep it consistent. You've got a brand, you have to keep something consistent. So what should they have changed is the real question. And the number one thing that comes to mind is you did this whole Pixel Snap thing with the Pixel 10s. The Qi 2 magnets in the back. This would have been Perfect. You could have just one upped. You could have made an ad about how the base iPhone 17e or 16e or whatever doesn't have it. This would have been fun. You could have had it across the whole pixel 10. And they didn't add magnets.

[D]

That's crazy.

[B]

They didn't move to the tensor G5. They didn't add. They didn't go 256 gigs of base storage. They didn't do any of the things they could have done that I think would have been nice at this 499 price.

[D]

Taking notes from Samsung.

[B]

Yeah. So first I was like, why even release a new phone at all? Because it's, you know, you don't have to every year. But then I was like, you know what? You're Google. You kind of just do. You just go through the motions. And I felt that vibe the entire time. I was, like, shooting the phone. We went to the city and, like, had a little briefing, and they brought us to this back room. I always feel like they usually, like, shut down that area of the building to keep it quiet so that we can shoot. There was just Google employees walking back. Oh, they're doing the thing. Like, nobody seemed to care. We shot the phone. It was very much an afterthought type of phone. So it's updated.

[A]

I wanted you so bad to bring a 9A and just leave it on one of the platforms and then see if anyone accidentally recorded the wrong phone and made it into a different review.

[B]

It's perfect because the colors of the phones, there's four colors are almost exactly the same, just a little bit more saturated. And I saw the spec sheet had different color names, and I was like, oh, maybe there's different colors. Cause there's like fog and obsidian, and then there's like a sort of a reddish and a purplish one. I forgot the names.

[A]

Lavender and berry, right?

[B]

I think that's the new ones. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, the new ones had some name

[B]

like peony and porcelain or something else. And so they, like, renamed the white one Porcelain to fog, but it's still. It's the same color. And then they have this.

[D]

If you're gonna change everything by, like, such an imperceivable amount, why even change it exactly? Like, you could. You should just call it the Pixel A 2026, Pixel A 2027.

[B]

At this point, at least, the companies used to be a little bit more honest about it. They'd go, oh, this is the iPhone 6s. Cause it's a small update from the iPhone 6. In fact, it's the same design. Just a little bit of a spec bump, like a couple small things.

[A]

This isn't even a spec bump.

[B]

Yeah. And at least with that you'd be like, all right, I'll probably skip the S and just wait for the next one. This one, it's just a 10A and it's just the same as the last phone. And I ended up thinking about that for the video and the conclusion I came to is like the Pixel is very much a software defined thing. Yeah. Like the reason you get a Pixel, especially the A series Pixel, like that buyer isn't going, I want the latest chip or I want the, you know, the highest resolution display or whatever. It's just, it's just a phone that works, that has the Pixel features and it's still that. And so that's the reason why it's probably fine for most of those people. But yeah, as someone who reviews phones year over year, this was like, huh. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[D]

We've talked about them having a lot of sort of like friendliness with Samsung. It seems like they're taking a lot of lessons from Samsung over.

[A]

Yeah. This is like we've been joking about how we've run the what s23s.

[D]

23 ++.

[A]

But this is like another level of a whole lot of nothing which we might see get beat in a week or in a couple of weeks with. We'll talk about it later. But if iPhone 17e is the exact same thing, it's going to be even funnier this year. Even when the. The base iPhone got so good last year.

[D]

Yeah. There might be a lot of Ls.

[E]

I'm just more with Marques here. Why even release this 10A? I think they could have just been like, you know, the 9A is still pretty good for people that like want a cheap entry level Pixel.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

And everyone would have been like, okay, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And the iPhone SE used to just be every couple years.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was fine. We get an iPhone SE like every three years and it would be like a budget phone.

[D]

Apple knew how to do it. They just called it SE so that there wasn't the confusion of like every number. Yeah. Because now they kind of had to release the 10A because they had to have a 10 version of the A phone. But if they just call it like

[B]

the Pixel E, I think that's literally exactly what they're doing.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Is somebody is going to. Some new shopper is going to start looking for a budget phone. And they will see that there is a 9A and no 10A. And they'll go, oh, I guess there's no 10A. And they'll just go, oh, it's old news and move on. But if there's a 10A, they'll consider it.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Apple learned that also they stopped doing SE and now they did 16E and possibly 17E. Right.

[D]

So that seems worse. Seems like.

[A]

I think it is worse.

[D]

They'll call it SE because then they can sell the same phone for a long time.

[A]

They can. But I think people want to see this number. New number. I want new number. Even if it's cheaper.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is unfortunate, but probably the marketing is the numbers are probably proving it.

[D]

Bring back the Pixel 4 a better phone than this. Better phone than this had a headphone jack cheaper.

[A]

Wait, can I just confirm really fast the you. So you said they told you 30 watt wireless charging. Because all they say in here is fast charging up to 50% in 30 minutes using 45 watt USBC charger or higher. Sold separately.

[B]

Yeah, they will you separately a 45 watt charger. And if you use that one, then it can peak at 30 watts instead of 23 like last year.

[A]

This is putting this in the. The briefing document that they send you for as a reviewer's guide is.

[D]

And isn't that 45 watt charger, like pretty expensive too?

[B]

It's a thing that I'm sure a lot of Pixel A buyers won't buy. Yeah, they'll just use whatever one they have. Yeah.

[A]

I would not be surprised if a bunch of day of reviews today get this part wrong because of how poorly this is worded in the reviewer's guide.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of deciphering.

[D]

I mean, at a certain point these just become Gemini boxes. That's what Google wants. That's their end game. They just wanted them to be magical Gemini boxes that do the thing.

[B]

They're not gonna do this with the 11, are they? They can't make it look the same. You mean they can't have it be the same spec sheet as the 10. Right.

[D]

They're just gonna add new Tensor accelerators and that's it.

[B]

Yeah, that's actually kind of. God, that's all that matters. They're already doing. Yeah, it's like all that matters now. The, the raw horsepower, GPU power, all that of Tensor has never been the reason you buy it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And so it's just going to be more tensor cores and more AI Chops, I mean, kind of the same specs anyway.

[D]

With the acceleration of AI that we've seen in the last year, I imagine that I.O. is going to be pretty crazy this year, which we did get a date for officially as of yesterday. Summer jumping ahead a little bit, but that is happening in May. It's May 19th and 20th, so we'll see if that stacks up. But I imagine there is so much competition in the AI race. It's not even about the phones anymore. It's just about Gemini and what they can do with Gemini. So. Yeah, they already have the Pixel experience pretty laid out.

[B]

That's what makes a Pixel a pixel.

[D]

I guess that's what makes it.

[A]

Yeah. And 128 gig base storage.

[D]

Yeah, Still. So I don't know how we even talked about that for that long, but

[B]

honestly, we had our segues going really nicely, which is kind of sad. Move through a bunch of topics effortlessly because we're so good at that.

[D]

Speaking of a lot of topics that you may or may not get correctly or incorrectly, I see what you did there. Maybe trivia time. By the way, audience, I promise it will get more interesting. We have more stuff.

[E]

I promise nothing of the sort.

[A]

I thought that was super interesting.

[D]

We have a lot more interesting.

[A]

That's interesting, actually, if you don't know it. If you didn't look at our thumbnail for the main channel and also look at the Pixel 9a thumbnail. You should go look because I think it's one of the. It was the most interesting thing about our video.

[B]

And it's not a Photoshop, by the way. Some people are thinking we photoshopped the Pixel 9 a thumbnail to change the color of the phone. No, we reshot. I wore the same jacket. Tech actually got a new shot.

[E]

That was more effort than Google put into this.

[A]

Tim did change your shirt.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because you were the exact same one. Yeah, but the phone colors were different. So Tim swapped your shirt.

[D]

All right, Adam, hit him. Hit us with some easier trivia questions. Because I don't think any of us have gotten a point in like.

[E]

Okay, here's the easiest three months trivia question.

[D]

Okay, let's go.

[E]

What is Marques's Social Security number?

[B]

I know it.

[D]

Six.

[E]

Zero.

[A]

Six.

[E]

I know it. No. So we spoke about the 10A just now. But the first Pixel A phone was the three A made by which giant manufacturer?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

Who made it?

[B]

Yeah, Back when they were like 50% chance rotating through a couple manufacturers to make pixels.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Well, and Nexuses.

[D]

The Nexuses mostly Nexi. All the pixels are kind of made by the same team.

[A]

No, the first couple pixels were. But the 4a was peak, wasn't it?

[D]

They were all made by the same team. It was just they use, like, different screens.

[C]

Team Pixel.

[D]

The. Pixel 2. Yeah, they were made by Team Pixel,

[A]

which was the one where the Pixel

[D]

2 had the screen issue because it was like some had the screens from Samsung and some had them from LG.

[A]

What was the one where, like, didn't HTC make the small version and LG made the XL?

[B]

That was the difference. Nexus.

[D]

I mean, the 5 was made. The 5x was made by LG and the 6p was made by Huawei.

[B]

Huawei, yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Anyway, I missed those days. We're talking about how you don't need to update things because, you know, it's the same. I missed the Nexus days, but we

[B]

had no freaking completely different.

[D]

What's it gonna be? I don't know. It's gonna be a totally random, weird try.

[B]

We tried a Shamu, then we tried a Visor, then we went back to

[D]

Shamu, then we did this. Oh, and then you like the five. We're gonna make it again, but instead of that, we're also gonna have the six.

[B]

What do you guys think of orange?

[A]

I mean, Pixel 2. HTC 2 XL? LG.

[D]

That's made by. Wow.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Well, you just kind of looked up Pixel 2.

[B]

Well, that's Pixel 2. Yeah.

[D]

You were talking about the Pixel 1.

[A]

No, Pixel 3.

[E]

Pixel 3a. Oh, the first a phone.

[A]

Okay, I'm definitely not giving either of you hints because you probably know this. Exactly. I'm the one who needs a hint.

[B]

I think I know it, but we'll see.

[E]

They think they know it, they say. All right, we shall see.

[B]

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[D]

Three plus one?

[B]

Nothing.

[A]

I think we know what's getting announced at the Samsung event.

[B]

Yeah. Do we? It could be anything.

[E]

Andrew, what if it's a folding.

[A]

They haven't said why are your hands in your pockets?

[D]

Why are they spending so much money on this launch event in San Francisco when it's literally somebody put on Twitter the launch event from last year and they said leaked S26 launch event. All the comments were like, wow, so cool that you got this. Like literally nobody even could realize that it was.

[B]

That it was last year's Samsung's official invitation says unpacked February 2026. The next AI phone makes your life easier. That could be anything. Maybe.

[D]

What if they this whole event is just them re announcing Bixby.

[A]

I I can't wait for that day. Basically, speaker comes back Galaxy Home.

[D]

We'll find out.

[A]

Galaxy Home.

[B]

It's going to be S26. S26, that was peak.

[D]

The Galaxy Phone finally launches Galaxy speaker.

[B]

Anyway, but the Apple event we actually don't know also, but we kind of probably also do know. Yeah, we can guess. What do we hope gets announced at these types of things?

[D]

Well, I wanted to see new Mac Minis to run Claude, but just kidding.

[B]

No, no, no.

[D]

I'm only kind of kidding. But there are all these rumors of the new Apple a series MacBook that we've been talking about for many, many, many months now. Yeah, and this seems to actually be the thing that people are saying might come out because the invitation that went out for people with there's this March 4th event that's happening that is apparently just going to be sort of an experience event. And people are saying that there's not gonna be like a keynote. They're gonna release that stuff separately. But the colors in that launch event poster are the colors that people are saying that these MacBooks might be colored as. It's like a light green, a light yellow, sort of a really cheap $700 model.

[B]

Can I just say, every time we do the speculation about what the event invite means, I always wish that someone had done like a. How close were we about previous event invites and what it actually ended up being?

[D]

Someone's probably done that I think someone's done. They've analyzed every invite and then what

[B]

the hint was and what it turned out to be. Okay, so this is the possible new colors of this colorful, new, cheaper entry level MacBook powered by an A series chip. Yeah, I'm very interested in this. I think right now we're in a spot where like Apple Silicon's gotten super, super good. And whenever we talk about MacBook Air, which is the current cheapest laptop they make, it is such an easy to recommend thousand $1100 laptop. It's almost like the default way of getting into Apple laptops. But there are lots of laptops that are way cheaper than that. And the Mac Mini came out and was maybe the best deal in tech at like $600 and being just enough computer for anyone who just needs a computer. But what if you need a laptop and you have $600? This is a spot that Apple can probably ship a ton of laptops.

[D]

Oh my God.

[B]

And if the A series chip is good enough, like they don't need to ship an M1 in this thing. They can ship an A series chip in super high volume. It could be a winner.

[D]

I mean, they really want to compete with the Chromebooks on the education front because Google really locks people the hell in. I mean, I think the fact that they came out with the education bundle so recently, the creative apps for education and all that stuff is not a coincidence because the biggest, the biggest thing that really moves people through Google's ecosystem is using Chromebooks while they're in elementary school. And then they just have Google accounts, they just continue on with it. So Apple's like, we really want a piece of that piece of. And considering if they're selling this to consumers at $700, I would imagine that they would give them to schools for even cheaper. Yeah, so they could really, they could really ship a lot of these. But I think most people don't need the power of M5, M4. You know, in their laptops.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So Honestly, like an A18, it's basically just an iPad, but with an interface that makes sense. I think that that could be a winner.

[B]

Yeah. It's funny because there's this whole other slate of possible things we're thinking Apple might announce another one is a touchscreen MacBook Pro. Maybe at like some point late this year or next year or something like that.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And so we're kind of keeping an eye on how Mac OS is evolving and what the app situation looks like and how that's happening. And obviously they're so similar in architecture anyway. Like you're running lots of those apps. It makes total sense that an A series chip would work In a cheap MacBook.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But it now makes even more sense that we could see a touchscreen version of macOS.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is interesting because the. What happens to the MacBook Air? I mean they kind of created this really, really big pipeline of computers at that point where the MacBook Air was supposed to be the cheapest, most affordable model. And it's 13 inches. So is the only differentiating factor going to be the fact that it has a not as strong processor? Yeah, I think it'll be the main thing.

[B]

Air will go back to meaning middle.

[A]

I think it'll be middle. But like I'd assume the. If we're, if we're guessing that this 18 version of the MacBook is going to be something almost like a Chromebook that we give to schools, I'd assume the chassis that it's in is going to be pretty.

[D]

A little cheaper.

[A]

Yeah. A cheaper version of it, which means thicker, which means probably more ports and stuff like that for kids when. So then like, are we assuming this is the, like the cheaper in all aspects version of the MacBook then the Air is kind of like the in between. I understand. I don't need a ton of processing power or ports. Thinner. I'm traveling all the time, gets everything done. I need to be the cheaper. I don't say grown up version, but. And then we have the pros that are pro models.

[B]

Yeah. I kind of see it as an expansion of the lineup downward. And I don't know what to expect, ports wise from this. I think naturally if it's going to education, you have to have a couple of ports. But I could see Apple not doing that.

[D]

Yeah, everything's on USB ports. Yeah, maybe not more ports, but all that education stuff is on the Internet.

[A]

That's a good point.

[D]

Do you really need any ports besides a charging port?

[B]

I just, I always picture an HDMI port, but I haven't been in a classroom in so long that I'm not even sure you need that anymore.

[A]

The kids don't need it.

[D]

They definitely don't need an hdmi. HDMI is like only for the pros,

[A]

I guess, if you want to think about it, of like the iPad lineup of like they had an iPad mini, an iPad Pro, and then they had the like iPad for education, one that still had the old button and everything for super, super cheap. Like this MacBook would be that, I guess.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. So it puts iPad, it puts Air in the middle again. So in the iPad lineup, it's iPad, then there's air and there's iPad Pro, and then Air is in the middle. So the MacBooks, it would be like the MacBook. This is like the 12 inch MacBook they wanted to do.

[E]

I literally have that pulled up back in the.

[B]

It's like a slightly smaller, slightly cheaper, slightly underpowered, but totally fine for most people laptop. And then if you really need the upgrade, okay, here's a bigger screen, here's a bigger Battery. It's the MacBook Air. It's 1100 bucks and it's all the computer you probably need. And then the pros for the people who need that. Yeah, Air's in the middle again. And then what else is Air? I mean, iPhone. Air is kind of in the middle, sorta price wise. It's in the middle. Yeah.

[D]

Price wise, in the middle.

[B]

So yeah, it kind of works.

[D]

That's true. It's rumored to have a 12.9-inch display, whereas the MacBook Air has 13.6. Not a huge difference there. It's something I was really hoping they would go for an actual like 12 inch super hyper portable display, especially if they're trying to get into the education market where kids backpacks are like the size of a purse. I think that could be really helpful.

[E]

Am I the only one just straight up picturing the MacBook from 2015?

[D]

No. Yeah, for sure.

[E]

And the 12 inch MacBook make the bezel bigger and smaller. Smaller.

[B]

You know what's funny about this?

[D]

I mean, I would love that.

[B]

I think that the 12 inch MacBook, hear me out. And the Trashcan Mac Pro have a lot in common. Ready? Ready for this? I'm gonna blow your mind.

[D]

I'm ready.

[B]

This was back in the earlier days of almost like late Johnny I of Apple, of ultra minimalism, where they had an idea of a computer that they wanted to make, but they didn't have the Silicon to really make it a reasonable computer.

[D]

Concepts of a computer.

[B]

So the Mac Pro Trash can was like this ultra small silicon single fan computer with like a Intel chip in there and like dual Radeon GPUs. It was ridiculous. It was crazy that they even tried that. But they did. And it was a computer that would readily overheat and leave dead pixels in your video exports. But it was a thing that they probably could have done with Apple Silicon a couple of years later. Really, really. Well, the 12 inch MacBook is the same thing that was powered by an Intel Core M3 or i5 or i7 or whatever back in 2017. And it was a smaller, a little bit underpowered, a little bit too much heat throttled type of computer where like if they had Apple Silicon back then that would have actually been a reasonable computer. So I think this is them revisiting that concept. I don't think they're gonna revisit that Trashcan Mac Pro. I think that's just Mac Studio now. But that's like the too early for Mac, too early for Apple Silicon idea that can come around and actually be good again.

[D]

I wish that they would release the trash can again as the Trash Can Fan Edition. They could with an M chip. That'd be so sick.

[B]

I have so many other thoughts about Mac Pro. Mac Pro is basically dead. Yeah, I think and we're, we can get to some of these other rumors because we're expecting more M5 MacBook Pros and like higher end like finishing out the M5 chip lineup like an M5 Pro and an M5 Max.

[D]

Whether Ultra ever gets upgraded from M2 Ultra, I'm not sure because yeah, the

[B]

Mac Pro is still on M2 Ultra. Yeah, at this point there is an M3 Ultra chip. It's only in Mac Studio. There is no M4 Ultra chip yet. If they did make it, it really made this.

[C]

You cannot buy a Mac Pro that can do ray tracing then. Because I think ray tracing was added in M3. Look that up.

[B]

Someone fact check me on that. If that's true then yeah, that's crazy. That's a bummer.

[D]

RTX on baby rtx.

[B]

I have a Mac Pro on my desk. I've been using and editing it. It's M2 Ultra. It's a great computer. I also have one internal PCI card in there. It's got like a 90 terabyte SSD raid and that's super useful for my backup. There is no reason I should be using a Mac Pro still. I should just use A Mac Studio.

[A]

They're so funny because they're, like, 90% air on the inside. Yeah, it's just airflow.

[D]

That's the Mac air.

[B]

So I might as well. At this point, like, my next desktop computer is, I think, an M5 Ultra Mac Studio with, like, a single Thunderbolt cable to, like, my little SSD backup. I think that's what it has to be because I think Mac Pro is just. Apple's done with, like, giving that attention and resources.

[C]

Marcus, what you should do is they make these, like, Rack units that have. For a Mac Studio that have a Thunderbolt port, like, built into the back. So as soon as you put it in the Rack, it, like, plugs into the Thunderbolt and then it adds to, like, one or two PCIe card slots in it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So you can still use your giant hard drive. And what's really cool is there's like, this. A lot of them have this mechanical situation where you push a button on the front that pushes an armature that links around the back so it moves the power button to the front.

[B]

Oh, that's hilarious. It's funny because the difference. Now that Thunderbolt 5 is out, it's enough bandwidth for me to do what I was going to do with that PCI storage. I think there's still people who use PCI for other things they need all that bandwidth for. But for me, accessing 40 terabytes of backup footage, I can edit off of a Thunderbolt 5 drive at this point.

[D]

Yeah, you're gonna need to edit off of those drives you already have because the cost of storage is up of 10x from what it was a year ago. Yeah. So, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I think my Mac Pro is on its way out at some point, and I'm hoping to see an M5 Ultra, even though we don't even have M4 Ultra yet.

[D]

It would be nice. It'd be nice. Yeah. Well, speaking of, there's some other things that we're probably going to see. Probably an M5 Pro and M5 Max MacBook Pro. Because they still have not released M5 Pro and M5 Max. That's correct. Right?

[B]

Yep.

[D]

No, no Mac mini with M5 space.

[B]

M5.

[D]

They haven't talked about the Mac Mini. Apparently. Some new potentially cheaper displays, which could be cool because currently you've got the Studio display, which is cheaper, and then you've got the Pro display, xdr, which has not been updated in a really, really, really long time. Maybe something in the middle could be nice. You know, something that's Pro, but isn't $6,000.

[B]

Both of those displays are in a really weird place in the market. Like Andrew, you know a lot more about like displays and the variety of displays you can get. But I just feel like the Pro display xdr is a $5,000 monitor.

[A]

Well.

[B]

And $1,000 stand plus $1,000 stand plus $1000 nanotexture coating. That's online. It's like. And it's a 60 hertz display. So on paper it looks ridiculous. But it has the brightness, it has the color calibration. It has what we need for everyone on the studio seeing the exact same color. Which is awesome. The studio display. Correct me if I'm wrong. $1700. I think.

[D]

I think it's 1700.

[B]

Also 60 hertz 27 inch display. It's kind of. It gets pitched by Apple in these like kind of creative scenarios sometimes. Because it's a studio display.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But also like the display for your bedroom or the display for just the computer you have in your house. It's kind of a silly buy.

[D]

The rumor is going to be Studio Display 2.

[A]

Okay. So just an update to it.

[D]

And this is from 9 to 5 Mac and they're saying that they are thinking it will have a higher refresh rate. Either 90 or 120Hz please. An A19 chip in it. Because currently it has the A13 bionic chip in it. That's to allow this camera and speakers and stuff to do all the Apple magic. Sure. Potentially a mini LED display which could be good. And HDR support.

[B]

Sure.

[D]

So.

[B]

And that is probably I think all I would need of that computer. And hopefully it's reasonably priced. Yeah. Not sure I can cross my fingers. Yeah.

[A]

Well the last part. Say goodbye to.

[D]

But I imagine it'll be about the same price. I think that there are just not that many good Thunderbolt displays right now. And that's what a lot of people come back to when they talk about the studio display is like it's lacking on a lot of features. But there are just not a lot of displays where you can just plug in one cable and everything just works perfectly.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

There's a small handful. I've seen some reviews. There's like the LG Ultra Fine stuff and I think we have like a Dell one now that I've. I've gotten. Really. It's like the giant 5K. So there's some interesting choices out there. Almost all of them are at least higher refresh rate. I can't believe Apple's still shipping like this expensive a display at 60Hz.

[A]

It's hard to compare, like you said, the Pro display xdr, because you're looking at things that are like color calibrated. And once you start getting into those monitors, they're niche as well and super expensive. So if you were looking at pure specs, you could probably find 800 monitors that are better for six grand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you get into that. But then in like so niche in

[B]

there in color calibration world, there's like $40,000 monitors.

[A]

Plus you want a cheese grater on the. Which is the most important part. That's behind your wall.

[B]

Huge. Yeah, yeah. Every day I walk around the side of my desk and I just check the back just to make sure the cheese grater holes are still there. Nice. Nice.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And then some other potential updates. A18 base iPad. So just kind of bumping that up. M4 iPad Air. So it's in the middle. Finally getting M4 iPhone 17e, which again, we don't really expect anything to be different from the 16 they got to have.

[A]

It's going to be so fun.

[B]

They got to have max.

[A]

I hope they do the same thing Pixel just did. Because if 16e was already bust of the year last year, Terrible phone to buy. If 17e is exactly the same when they then made the base 17 like a deal. Like we finally said an iPhone was a deal. If then it's the same as the 16E, it's going to be somehow a worse deal than it all be.

[B]

Head scratching. That would be crazy.

[A]

And none of us would be surprised by it at all.

[B]

So just a new chip and maybe the new like Dynamic Island, I guess. Is that it?

[A]

I guess I can't even remember what.

[D]

I don't even know.

[B]

Hertz had the notch.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Thicker bezels, no mag safe, no fast charge. It has wireless charging, but no magnets, obviously.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And like black or white are the only colors. Single camera. Like really, truly a base phone. Like single speakers at the bottom. Like really base phone. I don't see them changing a lot of that stuff. They're just going to probably do a chip bump and maybe a display bump to like the. At this point, like the, the first Dynamic Island LCD that they ever made. Did they ever do an LCD Dynamic Island? Maybe not. So maybe it's an oled. Maybe it's an oled.

[D]

Only oled. Yeah, I would. It would have to be OLED if it was.

[B]

So that'd be cool. Yeah. And then I guess the same phone otherwise, sadly.

[D]

Yup. Starting at 600 bucks.

[B]

Hmm.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. 16E is already OLED.

[D]

So that's good.

[B]

It'll be OLED. That's good.

[D]

It seems like it's quite a month of quote, unquote, updating things.

[B]

Slight updates for 2020. Slight updates.

[D]

It's like Samsung, Google, and Apple are all just not really updating things that are.

[B]

And these. These are still the companies that are like mega companies that are big enough to not be as price sensitive with memory with all that's happening. Yeah, right. Like, we think GPUs, memory, that stuff.

[D]

Yeah, that's the. I mean, I think Apple can basically just eat the cost at this point. Even if it eats into their margin to the point where they lose money, I think they're willing to eat the cost, thinking that maybe within a year memory will go back down because they don't want to be unstable and dynamically change their pricing constantly, especially for a mega corporation like that. And that would be a bad look. We do have one more event, though. The. There's going to be a nothing event for the Nothing for a. On the fifth. And Carl Pei decided to do what Carl Pei does, and he took the Apple event invite and he made a little Photoshop spray paint thing of nothing and over the Apple logo and then put March 5th instead of March 4th.

[B]

Neat.

[D]

Funny. Kind of almost a callback. Almost a callback to 2018, when there was going to be a OnePlus event that Carl was the head of, and they announced it and it was a big fanfare. And then two weeks before the app, before Apple was like, actually, we're going to have an event on that day. And then OnePlus had to literally move to a week later because they're like,

[B]

we literally cannot compete. They moved a week. I thought they moved to like one day.

[D]

They moved it a week after. I think they moved it a week later.

[B]

It was really funny, though, because everyone in my world was like, so which one are you going to? Yeah, yeah. We all knew.

[A]

If this is a callback to that, I'll give Carl some credit for this. That's funny. I think if you can joke about something funny that happened to you in the past, that probably screwed up a lot of things.

[D]

Yeah. Well, ironically, this 4A seems to be the only thing that has a new design. So I guess you gotta give. You gotta give credit where it's due.

[B]

Fair enough.

[A]

I've got a kind of a thing here on. We're getting a lot of tweets because Apple just announced video podcasts through Apple Podcasts and obviously like Spotify, a lot of people been asking us if we are going to put it on. So let me explain what's happening and then explain if we will be on it or not. They lost launched their video podcast experience on the podcast app which lets people stream through HTTP live streaming and you will be able to download for offline viewing. This is something they just announced on Monday, I think it was in their press release. Apple said we are putting creators in full control of their content and how they build their businesses while making it easier than ever for audiences to listen to or watch podcasts. So everyone's asking us will we be putting it on it? And right now the answer is no, because we can't. Because Megaphone is not one of the partners that's working with this. So far. It is opening with Art 19, Omnistudio, Simplecast and Adswiz. Those are all the platforms of publishing that will be able to use. This does say there will be more participating partners later, but we're in the Vox Media podcast network and we use Megaphone, which is also owned by Spotify. So I don't know when they will be joining the Apple Podcasts video platform for this. But it is kind of cool that they're allowing dynamically inserted video ads, including host reads, which is a big thing in video podcasting right now. That's still kind of weird. If you watch this on YouTube, those are obviously not dynamically inserted. They're the video till that gets added. We'll see what that does. Podcasting and podcast ads are so based on dynamically inserted ads because when you're just downloading and streaming audio all the time, it gets swapped out and that's kind of how people can find ways to advertise on there. It's much easier when you can't see if the host is wearing a different shirt or not. On video podcasts, we rerecord our ads every week. I think Vox thinks we're crazy that we do that, but we do because we like things to be as high quality as they are, even if it's an ad you're gonna skip. So we'll see what that does. The reason we're. We still have to see how this plays out though, because the way Spotify did video and the reason we're. One of the reasons we're still not on there is like we were worried and it might still take over the. If they take the video audio and turn that into the audio thing, we might lose all of the advertising that's coming through Vox or whichever podcast network we're with. And if they're doing their weird ads just from Spotify, if Apple were to do something like that, I don't know, we need to see what it does because I don't think people realize how much ads in podcasts is what makes or breaks.

[D]

And also, just to be transparent, like, we're.

[B]

We're. We're.

[D]

We're half a podcast. We're half a YouTube channel, basically. And we need to keep getting views on YouTube because that's how we grow and make money. Discoverability, that kind of stuff. And it's just kind of awkward now that everyone's like, just put it in here, because we don't get paid for that. So I understand that the. The flexibility and being able to jump between the audio and the video in the same app is nice, but if. If the Waveform YouTube channel starts getting less and less views because people are watching it on Spotify and. And Apple podcasts, and then we don't get money for that. It's kind of hard to.

[A]

It's also.

[D]

It feels weird.

[A]

It'll be once like podcast networks, who seems pretty. I don't want to say behind, but the pod podcasting in general is not really up to date with advertising everywhere else. So once they get stuff working and figuring out rates and stuff like that, it could totally work. And I wonder how much we would lose on. If it would be on spot. Like, if it's just our audio listeners wanting to hop into video, if that would actually hit our YouTube at all. There's. There's just a lot more to it than just. Can you post it on.

[D]

Yeah. Like, the reason Joe Rogan took that $10 million deal or whatever it was $100 million is because we turned it down.

[B]

Because we.

[D]

Yeah, because they were. He was the B plan. But the reason he took the $100 million deal was, like, he was making a lot of money on YouTube.

[B]

Yeah. That's how much it cost to convince him to not put it on YouTube.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. And I think it's also worth remembering that YouTube is still technically the largest podcast platform and has a lot of influence on how podcasts get made and shared. And we are a podcast, but as you said, We're a YouTube channel as well. And so there's different things that you optimize for and different formats that you. You lean into.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So Apple Podcasts does a decent job of doing, like, charts and different suggested shows. So I think some. Some podcasters who maybe are Smaller that have video or like introducing it to. That might introduce you to a new audience. Totally. Which could be cool. But in terms of us doing it quite yet, we've got a lot of stuff to figure out before we hop on that.

[B]

I think Apple Podcasts may be, in my opinion, in my limited experience, the only other podcast platform that is big enough and has enough discoverability through those charts that you could swayed to go, all right, we should be putting everything on Apple podcasts because people will find us there and we'll chart there. Sometimes we get new viewership there. I could see that. Yeah, it's much easier to convince someone about YouTube there. But yeah, I could see that.

[D]

And either way, competition is good. Like if Vimeo ever got big enough to be competitive to YouTube, people would have better ad rates on YouTube.

[B]

It's true. So there'd be Vimeo podcasts. Yeah.

[D]

If Spotify and Apple and YouTube all want to like battle it out on who pays the most to video viewers, then go at it like, be my guest, be my guest. That would be nice.

[B]

We love it.

[E]

Is podcasting dead?

[D]

Podcasting is more of a concept that's fair. I think that it's not what it used to be. Everything's just a talk show now.

[A]

Yeah, pretty much.

[E]

I feel like the beauty of podcasting before was that you could just record something, put it on RSS and like be done with it.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

To have like ads now. The problem, I wish there was like just some free third party thing where we can upload our own video protocol. If only there was some way to like in insert it dynamically in an open manner into each video.

[D]

That'd be crazy.

[E]

Yeah. But YouTube, Spotify, Apple, none of these platforms are ever gonna let that happen. So like this is the, the conundrum we're in where this podcast industry is kind of exploding. It's on Netflix now. HBO has podcasts after Game Thrones. It's just like there's so many different places to upload video.

[A]

The fear too is like why we're with a podcast network that does audio ads and stuff like that is going through an RSS feed and where whenever we start seeing Spotify or Apple trying to do it, it's like, well, what cut are they going to start trying to take or figuring out or controlling ads and jumping on it first as a established place doesn't seem like the best idea.

[D]

If there were an open federated protocol, we wouldn't have to have a middleman. Just saying maybe that's something I should vibe Code at with my Claude Bot at Claude Con Claudcon or whatever it's called. Okay, well, we love games on this podcast. We have lately been playing more and more games. Just like people keep playing games with my heart. So I think Adam is going to do a game with us after we do this. Second trivia question.

[A]

We do less games if phone companies made phones fun at all anymore.

[D]

Can't afford this. That's right. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this.

[A]

I'm sorry, guys.

[C]

Earlier in the episode, we talked about Ring, but Ring was not always called Ring.

[B]

Weren't they on Shark Tank?

[C]

They were on Shark.

[A]

They were. They were Shark Tank.

[C]

And Kevin o' Leary tried to get

[D]

it and he said, no, they didn't make a deal.

[B]

And then they went on to sold Amazon for a billion.

[D]

Was it a billion?

[B]

I believe. Wow.

[D]

Same as Instagram. A Bazil.

[E]

Yeah, it was a bazillion.

[B]

A bazillion.

[D]

A Bazil.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Jeff Bayes was like, I could do so much evil with this surveillance state.

[D]

You say Melania movie, you say, but

[C]

before it was called Ring, was it called Surveillance Day? A Doorbot, B, Cambell, or C, Stoop Watcher?

[A]

There's no way there's any of those.

[D]

Campbell. Yeah. Wait, I'm not gonna.

[B]

It's one of those three terrible names. Yeah.

[A]

I love my Campbell suit.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I was gonna say they would get sued immediately if they use Campbell.

[C]

It was like how, like, Amazon's original name was like, Abra or something. Like, all of these companies, like, start off with something goofy and then eventually hire a marketer who's like, okay, we gotta do something about this.

[A]

Abra at least is like, the other ones are just attempting to do a pun really poorly. That sounds like what Chat GPT would tell me. If I was trying to make with

[C]

the Internet, I didn't get any, like, primary sources to confirm this, but what the Internet sort of seemed to indicate was that, like, they started off, like, as a camera company, like, camera for your house. And that was not marketing well. And so they pivoted to being a smart doorbell that happened to have a camera. And now that people are just okay with being surveilled 24 7, now they're like, we're a camera company. I guess not. I guess they try to be like, guys, we're a camera company. Here's a Super bowl ad. And everyone was like, I didn't like that. Just go, ring, ring. Someone's at the front door.

[B]

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We are going to play two truths and a lie Producer table versus Host table. Oh so there will be points up for grabs. I will say a product and we're going to tell you three specs from that product. One of them will be completely made up. Two truths, one lie about all of these products. You guys need to agree on which one you think it is.

[A]

Okay?

[E]

And then if we fooled you, we get the point. If you get it right, you get the point.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Real products.

[E]

Yeah, real products. All right, let's start easy. Pixel 10 Pro.

[B]

Yep.

[E]

The first spec, it comes in two screen sizes. The Pro, which is 6.3 inches, and the Pro XL, which is 6.7 inches. Second spec.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Seven years of software updates. The third spec comes with a year of Google AI Pro, a $239 value.

[A]

I'm like, trying to look at every single thing.

[B]

Seven years is of security updates and pixel drops. Not full on software updates. Right.

[D]

Are there technicalities like this?

[A]

There have to be.

[E]

There are. But I'm pulling this straight from their website.

[B]

And you said seven.

[E]

Seven years of software updates.

[B]

I think that's a lie.

[A]

That's my guess. Because it's security updates, not.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

And pixel drop.

[D]

I think it's the lie because in seven years, AI will have destroyed humanity. So they won't be able to.

[E]

Seven years of new features and updates. If that changes.

[A]

It does.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay, so 6.3 and 6.7. Does that sound right for 6.10?

[B]

6.7. Yes, that sounds right. 10 Pro. 10 Pro XL. Yep.

[A]

And then.

[D]

Or did they change the Screenshot size by 0.1? Or was that Apple?

[B]

I have the Pro on my desk. I'm pre. Oh, no, I think that's right. I think that's right. 6.3.

[D]

So maybe it doesn't come with Google AI Pro for a year.

[B]

I thought it did.

[D]

Or maybe it wasn't a 230.

[B]

Oh, it doesn't come with Ultra.

[E]

No.

[B]

No, it doesn't. That's crazy.

[A]

That's the $200.

[D]

One pro is $20 a month.

[E]

Do you want me to reread that?

[A]

Sounds like something that would come.

[B]

Let's hear it one more time. Adam.

[E]

Two screen sizes, the Pro, 6.3 inches, and the Pro XL 6.7 inches. Seven years of new features and updates. Or comes with a year of Google AI Pro, a $239 value.

[A]

Is it not a $239 value? This is the easy one.

[E]

This is the easy one because it's like a very modern device. It's like things off their website, you know?

[B]

C. I think it's C. Yeah.

[A]

All right. Part of me thinks he's throwing one screen size off. I'll go see.

[D]

Let's go see.

[E]

Is the 1c?

[B]

Is the last C wrong?

[E]

We get the point.

[A]

What?

[E]

For the size, the Pro XL was 6.8 inches.

[D]

I knew they changed it by a millimeter. 6.8 knew they changed it by 0.1, 0.1 inches.

[B]

Okay, you got us. Yay. Damn it.

[A]

We're losing this game so bad.

[D]

Also, can I just say, I love that we bullet. Not we, but the royal. We bullied these Google into seven years of software updates. We slowly bullied these companies into actually providing. Seven years is a long time.

[B]

I mean, didn't the iPhone. What? IPhone just got an update after like 10 years recently? There was some headline. It was just some security updates.

[A]

Oh, it was like a security.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like it was like a four, wasn't it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Or six.

[D]

But very few companies update things for seven years. That's a long time.

[B]

They usually forget it exists after one year. Yeah.

[C]

You know, Marques, I'm really glad you brought that up, because the next product on our list, arguably the greatest consumer product ever released by any company ever.

[B]

I know a lot about humane AI. For sure.

[C]

Better than the humane AI pin.

[D]

Oh.

[C]

More benefit to society than penicillin.

[A]

Jeez.

[C]

The iPhone 12 mini.

[B]

The wheel.

[C]

Are you guys way more than the wheel? Way more than fire, dude, I'm too hot anyway. He's hot, guys. IPhone 12 mini A. The iPhone 12 mini has a screen to body ratio greater than 85%. The iPhone 12 mini is the oldest iPhone still fully compatible with iOS 26. Fully compatible. I'm not talking about security patches. I'm talking about iOS 26.

[A]

Right.

[D]

I think the 11 is the iPhone

[C]

12 mini was part of the first series of iPhones to have ceramic shield.

[D]

I think the 11 is the 11 is the 26 one.

[A]

I swear, Ellis said something about his phone being the last.

[D]

It was one of the ones that had ceramic shield because it did say the 12. The 12 is what added ceramic shield.

[B]

I do remember that. I feel like I remember 12 being ceramic.

[D]

It was. Yeah.

[A]

And then what was the first thing again?

[C]

The 12 has a screen to body ratio greater than 85%.

[D]

It's probably like 86.

[A]

I kind of like just under.

[B]

I think it has under 85 because

[A]

I think the notch in a phone. That small.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's bezels, which is. If we're thinking about OG like screen to body ratios. We're like 88.

[C]

I need, I need. I need one solid answer.

[B]

It's a.

[D]

Well, I got outvoted.

[C]

So the screen to body ratio is the lie.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Got outvoted, Guys. What?

[C]

The screen to body ratio of the iPhone 12 mini is 85.1%, making it higher than 85%. You want to Know something even more infuriating?

[D]

It's the 11.

[C]

It's the 11, baby.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

When will you learn to listen to me?

[A]

The one before I said, I think it's the screen size, and you told me no.

[D]

Yeah, I didn't know about that. I know about this one.

[B]

So the iPhone 11 is the one that's fully supported.

[C]

IPhone 11 is the oldest phone fully supported.

[B]

You did call that immediately? I did. Wow.

[D]

Immediately.

[E]

All right, for number three.

[D]

Any hesitation?

[A]

Well, David got his one right, so he can't get any other right so far.

[B]

So without any hesitation, we're losing, guys. We're done.

[E]

All right. All right. Oculus Rift S. Okay. It was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo. Used an OLED panel with an 80Hz refresh rate. Featured software only IPD adjustment. IPD meaning interpupillary distance.

[B]

That sounds insane. How do you do that?

[D]

It's 90 hertz.

[A]

Wait, can you say the three things again? Because I didn't. I thought you were still explaining the Oculus Rift. I didn't know you were doing the thing.

[E]

Partnered.

[C]

Made in partnership with Lenovo.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Uses an OLED panel that has an 80 Hz refresh rate.

[D]

Now it's gotta be 90.

[C]

Featured software.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Had software only IPD interpupillary distance.

[D]

I'm pretty sure Valve put out, like, a paper that said for people to not get sick, it has to be 90 or higher.

[A]

That sounds so.

[B]

I think.

[D]

I think a lot of these companies focused on 90 hertz.

[B]

I want to believe David again. I've also seen some weird refresh rates on VR headsets. Yeah. Like 48.

[D]

Really?

[B]

And 96.

[D]

48.

[B]

Maybe not 48. That sounds too low.

[D]

That sounds too low.

[B]

But let's go with that.

[D]

I gotta say this one for stipulation. I'm not as sure.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Okay. Cause I've never seen software only ipd, ever. I've never heard of that.

[D]

You mean foveated rendering?

[B]

No. When you first set up a headset and you hear the motors move the lenses to match your eyes, I've never heard of the software, only ipd. I mean, I've. It's possible that the Rift is the cheapest one and. But this is the Rift.

[A]

This is like.

[B]

This is the crazy Rift s. The

[E]

Rift S, which was, I believe, the last one before I had.

[B]

Wait.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

A was made by Lenovo, A was

[E]

made by Oculus VR and Lenovo.

[D]

Did Lenovo make this?

[B]

I don't know that one at all.

[A]

I don't know Lenovo could be behind a thousand products and I would never know about it.

[B]

We have no clue behind every great product.

[C]

Does it even greater Lenovo, there's somewhere

[A]

in that product is the little red mouse button. Is.

[B]

It's still a Valve paper. They probably wouldn't shift their own under 90 hertz.

[D]

No, but VAL. Yeah, but that's the. But that's the VAL. That's valve. That's not Lenovo. Slash Oculus, like Oculus might have. I feel like Lenovo did not make

[B]

the Oculus S. Yeah, I go that. I don't see them in that space at all.

[E]

I need.

[B]

They did make the.

[A]

Yeah, I'll confirm. I'll go with that.

[D]

But yeah, I think it's because they. They did make the Windows VR headset. The Lenovo Windows VR headset, but that was not Oculus S. So I'd say.

[A]

But it means they've been in that space before. This is a shot in the dark.

[B]

Shot in the dark. Lenovo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Lenovo is a lie. Oh, my God.

[A]

Wow.

[E]

You guys are doing great.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

What does it be?

[E]

It was an LCD panel, not an OLED panel.

[A]

That was the guy I said OLED should have heard.

[D]

I didn't even hear that.

[A]

It was really obvious now that I didn't even.

[E]

You guys were going so hard on everything else. They missed.

[A]

The most obvious number was that that

[E]

was B number two. Used an OLED panel with an 80Hz refresh rate. And I knew throwing the hurts in there would really get you guys.

[D]

When I was in Philly on Monday, I was like, locked in. When I was in Philly on one day, I went to this museum type thing where everything is a mosaic. And there's like a. There's like a thing where you have to find specific things in the mosaic. And it's. This felt like one of those things where you're staring directly at it, but you just didn't see the one thing that it asked for. And I just didn't even hear you guys say oled. So I wasn't even thinking about it. I was thinking about everything around it.

[C]

Yeah, this one. This one should be way easier.

[B]

Okay, I'm locked in.

[C]

Lock in. Lock and lock in. Good.

[B]

Locked in. This is a three pointer.

[C]

This category.

[B]

This one's. This one's.

[C]

You know how confident I am. Like, this is an eight pointer. Let's do it. Ready?

[A]

All right.

[C]

There is a cucumber emoji.

[D]

No, there's.

[C]

There is an orca emoji.

[D]

There is.

[B]

Seen it.

[C]

There is There's a barbecue emoji.

[B]

There is no cucumber barbecue like a barbecue. Like the stand. I've seen that, too. It's. There is no cucumber.

[D]

It's the cucumber.

[B]

Cucumber. Final answer.

[C]

Cucumber.

[B]

Cucumber.

[C]

Final answer.

[B]

Final answer.

[D]

Is it the barbecue?

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

There's no barbecue.

[B]

It's because.

[A]

I don't remember a barbecue.

[D]

It's probably because Slack might have its own barbecue emoji. Yeah.

[C]

Also, that was sort of a trick question because the orca is not an iOS yet, but it is in Unicode.

[D]

What?

[C]

Yeah, they just haven't added it to the Apple. Apple keyboard yet.

[D]

But you didn't say Apple.

[C]

I didn't. Which is why they're.

[B]

Oh, my God. There's a keyboard. There is a.

[C]

That's what? That's why.

[D]

Oh, I see where you're saying just.

[C]

If you search orca emoji on your iPhone, it will not come up.

[B]

I can't believe there's a cucumber and a pickle.

[D]

Oh, my God. There is a cucumber.

[A]

Wait, there's a cucumber and pickle.

[C]

The pickle is also not. I actually think the pickle is going to be.

[D]

I don't see a pickle.

[B]

It's the same as a cucumber.

[D]

I only see the cucumber.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. I have the answer to this. The pickle is. So right now we're the most recent, like, confirmed, approved in unicode. Emoji is 17. That's not in iOS. 18 is going to get confirmed, I think, in the coming weeks. And there is a pickle, I believe, in emoji.

[A]

What's the difference?

[C]

Literally pickled.

[A]

I want to see, like, how they make the visual difference between that.

[E]

Next. Android Honeycomb.

[A]

This is on you.

[E]

Famous for its hollow user interface.

[A]

Yep.

[E]

Debuted on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus.

[D]

No.

[E]

Introduced recent apps for multitasking.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Which one is Honeycomb?

[B]

Is five, I believe.

[D]

And it debuted on the Zoom. On the tab. Yeah. The Zoom tablet. Motorola Zoom.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So agree.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless it's wrong.

[E]

Are you locking it in?

[D]

Honeycomb is a tablet UI only, so it did not debut on the Galaxy 4 tablets.

[E]

It had to be the Samsung Galaxy Nexus.

[B]

It was Hollow.

[D]

The Galaxy Nexus is a phone. Yeah. It was Ice Cream Sandwich on the Nexus 4.0 and then 5 was.

[B]

But just to be sure, can you reread the question and the possible answers?

[E]

The question is Android Honeycomb. Here are the three things about it. One, famous for its hollow user interface. Two, debuted on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus 3 introduced recent apps for multitasking.

[D]

It didn't debut on the Nexus.

[B]

Honeycomb. Honeycomb Eclair Froyo Gingerbread Honeycomb Ice cream Ice cream sandwich was 4.0 right on the. I'm fairly sure that Honeycomb was famous for Holo. It was for tablets and it debuted on my Motorola Zoom and it later showed up on the Asus Transformer tablet. So I'm going with the. Debuted on a Nexus.

[D]

That's correct.

[E]

Correct. Finally they're on the board with one.

[D]

We're gods.

[E]

That was a layup.

[A]

Gosh.

[C]

All right, let's do. Let's hit him with another Marques. I guess that was all. You guys knew that. But this one's really the Marques Special. But you should all also know it.

[A]

Except maybe Andrew Coffee.

[C]

Well, no, it's not. It's because you use the other one sometimes. Because this product is. I wish I had a drum roll. I guess that's the next button I got to put. Final Cut Pro was originally called Key Grip and developed by a company called Macromedia. Final Cut Pro was acquired by Apple in 2001. And Marques. This one is just for you. You can temporarily disable Final Cut Pro's signature feature, the magnetic timeline, by holding down the Tilde key.

[A]

He's never done that before.

[C]

I know. He does it in a different crazy way.

[D]

You can do that?

[A]

You okay?

[C]

I could be lying.

[D]

Allegedly.

[A]

So. So when I was in high school, I was using final cut seven, I believe.

[D]

Seven probably.

[C]

And that was 1864, right?

[D]

Yeah, I used it may have made

[A]

it seven by my senior year. My senior year in high school is 2008. So if 2001 was when it got acquired, that would presumably be Final Cut one. And then so the timing kind of matches up. Right. Then.

[B]

So fact checking the 2001 part, because I remember Apple acquired it. I remember it was Key Grip before.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't remember the name of the company that developed it, which. If that's the gotcha, then I'm not going to get it. But it was Key Grip and it was acquired by Apple. And if so, if 2001 makes sense, then the things that we're fact checking are the Tilde or the name of the company that owned it before Apple.

[D]

Boy 2001.

[A]

The 2001 could be like a year off.

[C]

I'll make it a little more interesting. It's not. The name of the company is not the gotcha here. I'm not saying whether it was actually called Key Grip or not. But we're not. We're not double double tricking you on that.

[D]

I was using Final Cut 7 in 2006 through 2008. I know that for sure. Okay, so.

[B]

But that was already owned by Apple by then.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it was fine.

[B]

Yeah. Final Cut Pro. I didn't actually.

[D]

I don't know if it was on by Apple by then. I think I just used it on a Mac.

[B]

It was pretty. It was pretty much like the Apple thing. It was actually one of its most popular versions was seven.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So is the gotcha there potentially? So that key grip turned it into Final Cut before Apple acquired it, or.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Is that what you guys are saying? Because I assumed when Apple acquired it, that's when it became Final Cut.

[B]

Yeah, Apple.

[A]

But I don't know the lore there.

[B]

So did Apple acquire Final Cut or did they acquire Key Grip?

[C]

That's not the gotcha either.

[B]

Okay, so the gotcha is either the tilde.

[A]

I think it's the tilde to screw with you.

[C]

There's no. There's no. There's no. It's just one of them is just a line.

[D]

Could be the tilde.

[A]

I think they're trying to.

[D]

Maybe you can hold down another key.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's the tilde. I don't think you can disable magnetic timeline. I think you can disable magnetism of clips like your. Your Playhead with the tilde or maybe not the tilde, but you can disable and enable magnetic snapping. Oh, yeah, but not the whole magnetic timeline. I think it is snapping, so I'm going to go with C. Yeah. Is the actual lie.

[D]

Yeah, I think it is snapping.

[C]

What do you mean?

[D]

What?

[B]

In like the magnetic snapping, you can

[C]

disable magnetic snapping, but.

[B]

So the magnetic timeline is when you're dropping clips onto the timeline itself. And when you shorten a clip, every single clip after it moves with it, if you don't use that and you stack above and below the magnetic timeline, you can still snap snap clips together instead of having to get to the exact keyframe because of the magnetic feature of the playhead.

[C]

I get it. I get it. This one. I just have to think.

[A]

So we were right.

[C]

You're not right. But the thing is, because it's kind of like accidentally. Right.

[A]

Because the best kind of. Right.

[C]

So the tilde just lets you move clips everywhere and they don't magnetize to stuff. I don't know if when you're moving stuff with the Tilde key, if other stuff still snaps to it. If you Just want other stuff to not. If you just want other clips to not respond magnetically, you use the P key, which switches to the position tool. So now I'm like, you're wrong. But, like, you may have accidentally, like, stumbled on a right answer because I wasn't, like, specific enough, you know, which

[B]

feels in line with OLED versus lcd. Totally. Is key grip also a lie now?

[C]

I'll give you that one. Just because no key grip is true. And we lied about the year it was acquired. Okay, I feel like I should give you that point just because you did get me on the specifics.

[A]

Yeah. Final Cut 7 was released in 2009, so.

[D]

Well, you got to cut the part where I said I was using in 2006. Wait, what the was I using then?

[B]

6.

[A]

They look exactly the same. 6 and 6. 7 were exactly the same in 2006. They were just 6.

[D]

7. Who knows?

[E]

Speaking of sevens, the iPhone 7.

[B]

Okay. IPhone 7. Yep.

[E]

Comes in rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet black, and product red. Has a 3264 and 128 gigabyte capacity.

[B]

That's the lie.

[D]

That's the lie.

[E]

It featured the A10 fusion chip.

[B]

It's.

[D]

There's no. It's. Sorry, there's no 128.

[B]

Right. 3264.

[A]

Can you resay it? But I like David's conviction, the confidence to the level of interruption there.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I like. If you interrupt him, I'm team David here. We're like, that's how. I know.

[C]

But I'm interrupting.

[E]

So the first one comes in rose, gold, gold, silver, black.

[A]

Can I interrupt? I don't know what we're talking about.

[B]

IPhone 7.

[A]

IPhone.

[E]

IPhone 7. All the colors were, okay. Rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet black, and product red. Number two has a 3264 or 128 gigabyte capacity. And number three featured the A10 fusion chip.

[B]

Okay. I remember the jet black iPhone. Wasn't that.

[A]

No, no, I agree. But he said rose gold and gold.

[D]

Yeah, no, he was saying.

[A]

Oh, he said it came in rose, gold and gold. I thought it just came in one of those.

[B]

I'm just trying to.

[A]

And then it came in black.

[D]

They never had a truly gold.

[B]

The phone that had a jet Black didn't also have a black, though, right?

[A]

No, I thought it did.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I thought it. No, it wasn't only one of them. The, like, seven. Plus, I think seven was right with the jet Black, because that thing that was right when I Started working.

[B]

That wasn't the eight.

[A]

No, because the eight came out with the 10.

[D]

We haven't even started discussing the fusion chip, though. We haven't even started discussing.

[B]

And we feel like it's the seven that had gold, rose gold, black and gold.

[D]

I don't think there was gold and rose gold. Has Apple ever released a purely old phone? I don't think so.

[B]

Yeah. What.

[A]

What was there, like a 5s that was gold?

[B]

There's like silver and a gold version.

[A]

Yeah, I thought they've always been.

[D]

That might have been rose gold, silver and gold.

[C]

I don't know why I'm nodding and shaking.

[A]

Yeah, I don't either. I don't know if you're.

[D]

I think it was rose gold because it was like pink.

[B]

Rose gold's pink, right? Yeah. They never had a phone that had.

[A]

Also gold was.

[D]

I don't know, 8.

[A]

The rose gold that just looked like a band aid.

[B]

That.

[A]

Because that was glassback, right? Yeah, it was glassback seven.

[B]

What color?

[A]

Well, I guess. Wait, wait. Was seven glass back or metal back? Seven? It was glass, right?

[B]

Yeah. Cause the eight was the first wireless char. Yeah. First wireless charging iPhone was the 8.

[A]

So then 7 was 7.

[B]

Had a jet black glossy version, but it didn't wireless charge. I remember that phone. It was like super fingerprints. It had like scratches. Super easily. Single camera. But I don't think it had wireless charging. But it was the one that was, like, polished.

[D]

No, they added wireless charging on the 11.

[B]

8.

[D]

No, the 12. Oh, wireless charging.

[B]

Wireless charging 8. MagSafe was 12.

[D]

Didn't 10. They had wireless charging.

[A]

8 and 10 came out at the same time.

[B]

Yeah, 8 and 10 were at the same time.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

What are we talking about?

[B]

So The Zune, the iPhone 7, did it have gold?

[A]

Sounds like too many colors.

[B]

Rose gold.

[D]

I don't think it had gold.

[E]

Silver.

[D]

I think it's the color.

[A]

Can I make a clarification question?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you say seven, do you mean seven lineup or just the seven? Are you counting seven plus?

[E]

On Apple's website for documentation in technical specifications, it just says iPhone7.

[D]

I don't think it came in gold and rose gold. I don't remember an iPhone7 in regular gold color.

[A]

I'm like wondering if one of them came in the seven and one came

[B]

in the aluminium, uranium, gold and rose. I can picture it with the antenna bands, but maybe I'm just making that up in my head. Nah, a 10 fusion chip is that.

[D]

I don't think there's any way to know.

[B]

Well, we're on a 10 was a 10 in the iPhone X.

[D]

We're on a 18, right?

[B]

Wait, let's go backwards. A 10 in the iPhone 7 would mean a 9 in the iPhone 6, which would mean a 8 in the iPhone 5. Oh, wait, 6s.

[D]

Well, no, no, no. We should go back from the top because we'll start.

[E]

We're on a826 right now.

[D]

Shut up.

[B]

A18 on the 17. IPhone 17.

[D]

So it'd be a 16.

[A]

17.

[B]

A 17.

[D]

15 is 16. 14 is 13. 12 is.

[A]

No, no, no. 13 is 12.

[B]

IPhone 13 is 12 is a 12.

[C]

Yo, for any young aspiring podcaster.

[D]

No, it's the other way. 13.

[A]

Shut up, Ellis.

[D]

IPhone 12 is a 13.

[A]

Shut up, Alice.

[B]

IPhone 12 is a 13. IPhone 11 is a 13 is a 12.

[D]

IPhone 10.slash 8.

[B]

8 is a 11. A 11.

[D]

So it would be a 10.

[B]

Yeah, a 10. Fusion. Okay. It lines up. Yeah. Okay. Or did they not do the.

[A]

I hope it's the gold thing, because it said it 14 minutes ago.

[B]

Let's go with the gold. Let's go with the colors.

[D]

What about the fusion?

[B]

No. Was it not?

[C]

David was right at the beginning. David interrupted in the question, and it was right.

[B]

There's no 128.

[C]

No. There's no 64. But it was the thing, the courage

[D]

of my convictions, bro. We got.

[B]

Wait, they had.

[A]

So they had a 32 and a

[C]

128, and they had a gold and a rose gold and a black and a jet black.

[E]

32, 128, 256 were the storage options.

[A]

They just went from 32 to 128.

[D]

What's even funnier is at the top

[C]

of the page, they have the gold and the rose gold right next to each other. So you guys are like, there's no way. They never did both gold and rose gold. We're just, like, looking at these two.

[B]

I forgot that they used to do, like. And then if you. If you pay the money, you can get, like, storage.

[A]

Wait, that gold one's kind of nice. Was this the best lineup of colors?

[D]

And it had the best camera on.

[A]

Dude, this gold is really good. And that was a good product. Red, the, like, metal.

[D]

Yeah, iPhone 7 was.

[B]

The jet black was overrated, though. Damn. I forgot they did black. And jet.

[A]

Jet black sucked. But black was good.

[D]

Black was fire.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

Okay, guys, this one's not a trick. There's no that. I saying that really makes it sound

[D]

like I was going to say this

[C]

one's just, like, straight up true or lie.

[A]

Ready?

[C]

The consumer Product for this one.

[A]

The pause means there's a trick somewhere in here.

[C]

The trick is that it's not a consumer product. It's facts about me, Ellis.

[B]

Facts about.

[C]

Are you ready? Fact number one, I have owned two phones with full QWERTY keyboards, physical QWERTY keyboards on them, two phones over the course of my entire Life. Fact number two, I owned three iPhones before the iPhone lost the home button. Meaning I had three iPhones between one and eight.

[A]

Right? Yeah, can. Never mind.

[C]

Yeah, no, clarify. Hit it.

[A]

I feel like saying three is this exact number. Is it like more than three or less?

[C]

Exact number.

[A]

Exact number.

[C]

If it's. It's either three or everything else. Same thing with the two and get it last.

[D]

Fact.

[C]

I have only ever owned one phone in my entire 12 year old life that had a T9 dialer keypad. And you know what I mean when I say T9. I mean 12 buttons arranged in a three column four row grid.

[D]

Was it the LG Voyager?

[C]

I'm not. I can't.

[A]

Voyager had a touch screen and. No, so it wasn't.

[C]

So one phone with a T9 keypad, three iPhones with home buttons, two phones with full QWERTY keyboards.

[B]

I3 iPhones.

[A]

I think it's. I don't think he owned a phone with a T9 keyboard.

[D]

I think he did.

[A]

I think that's the lie.

[D]

Oh yeah, you're right.

[A]

Do you remember when he said he bought his first phone and it was.

[D]

It was a slider. Slider phone. It was like a Yagasaki or whatever.

[B]

Yes. A T9 would be what, like a

[A]

Mitsubishi?

[B]

So if the first phone was slider, then we're gone.

[A]

I think he never owned a T knife.

[D]

Yeah, I think it was the slider only.

[E]

No, it was the Yamaha Kawasaki Hybrid.

[C]

My first phone was Korean. It was a Samsung. It was a sad song.

[D]

Was it really?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Did it have T9?

[C]

Andrew, you are correct. I never owned.

[A]

I know nothing about tech and everything about Ellis.

[C]

It's great.

[D]

As it should be.

[B]

Good. And that was a six pointer.

[D]

Six pointer. So we're. Ooh, we're ahead of you.

[C]

Did you say that?

[E]

No.

[B]

Working nine to five.

[E]

So score producers, five hosts, three. Next question.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Is about Microsoft. Number one, the first Microsoft store was in Scottsdale, Arizona. Number two, Bing is actually the rebrand of an older Microsoft search engine called Live Search. Or number three. While the Zune no longer lives, the music store where you can get files for Zune Groove Music is still up and running. Which one is it?

[D]

What one of these, I feel like the first store was in Santa Clara.

[B]

So I can picture like the first ever Microsoft store and us all going, oh, wow, it's a pretty glass store. But I don't remember where that was.

[A]

I would assume it's in Washington, which

[B]

is where the HQ is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think the other thing I'm thinking about is I owned a Zune HD and never once used whatever he said was the name of the music store

[D]

and the search would not be up and running still.

[C]

Right.

[B]

That's no Groove Music.

[D]

I remember groove music.

[B]

I remember groove.

[A]

That feels like the weird thing that we're supposed to pick.

[B]

I didn't use groove music. I used the Zune store and bought. I bought music from the Zune store. I never, I don't think it was called groove Music.

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

I would there that.

[D]

I'm pretty sure there is a groove Music.

[B]

What was it for Music. But like, for what? I mean, but for PC or like, what would you, why would you buy it?

[D]

I think it was like an MP3

[A]

purchasing platform because it was like old itunes where you used to buy your songs individually. So that makes sense. And I could see it have potentially pivoting.

[D]

Definitely not.

[C]

I need to clarify one of the things in this because it's a little more nuance. The first, like, Microsoft Store as we know Microsoft stores to exist was in fact in Scottsdale, Arizona. I can confirm that there was a, like, prototype Microsoft Store seven or eight years before this open that was operated by like, a Sony consumer retail division in San Francisco. So it was there for like 2ish years. So technically there was a retail experience called the Microsoft Store. However, what we now know as Microsoft's Microsoft Store retail thing, Scottsdale, Arizona is still factually correct there.

[E]

So now you got a 50, 50 chance.

[A]

Yeah, we have a 50, 50 chance.

[C]

I, I, oh,

[D]

all right. So probably like, I don't think Groove is still up and running unless they pivoted to a streaming service, but I doubt it because who would?

[B]

I, I don't know what Bing came from.

[A]

I, I feel like it has to be the right. The groove is the thing Adam wants us to pick because it feels so obviously not.

[E]

Does it help to say that I did not write this question?

[A]

No. Microsoft calling something live feels really on brand.

[D]

It does. Which could be. Is it too on brand? Live Live Translation.

[C]

Come on, it's right in front of you. Come on. You got this.

[A]

You got this. I know it's there.

[C]

Later tonight, we'll play some Halo and Hop on.

[D]

Xbox Live also.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

Live translation. And is it Windows Live? Windows Live.

[A]

What was the name of the search engine you're saying?

[C]

Live Search.

[A]

Live Search.

[B]

Yeah, that Live Search.

[A]

It feels like I can picture the blue in the logo.

[D]

Live Search. I don't. I know.

[A]

I've never heard of it though.

[D]

I've heard of it, but I was thinking it was Microsoft.

[B]

If I was making up a fake early generation like Internet search engine name, especially from. I would call it Live Search because I'm searching the Internet Live.

[A]

It makes more sense. That's Jeeves. But I know we all remember that instead.

[B]

Bing. I don't remember a. A time before Bing. Maybe I'm too young.

[D]

Whoa.

[B]

I really don't remember.

[D]

Used to be a great LLM at this point.

[B]

Did you have a time base in there or did you just say it was before Bing? Damn, I can't remember. Pre Bing. There's like BC I, pb, PB and AB. Yeah, I'm. I'm exclusively a post Bing type person.

[A]

We just live in the post Bing world.

[B]

So I think I have to choose the. The Zune one.

[A]

I'll go. I'm somehow. I don't believe either of them. Somehow or I do. Yeah. I don't know.

[D]

I remember group music. I don't if they're still operating. They pivoted.

[B]

So what? So let's go with that.

[E]

Yeah. What's the answer?

[D]

Okay, well, they just said they're still operating, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's probably the other one.

[A]

So you think it's the search? I'll go with Search.

[D]

I think it's Search.

[B]

Okay, I'll go with that.

[A]

Guys.

[C]

Not operating anymore.

[E]

You guys had a 50, 50 chance.

[A]

We gave you that one. What's funny is if you didn't say the other thing, I probably would have argued that we should pick Scottsdale.

[E]

All right, well, this next one you guys need to get because two out of three of you have lived in this state your entire life, so.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[C]

Okay, guys. That's right. This final category, this final consumer product is the great state of New Jersey.

[D]

Well, I'm going to get this wrong.

[B]

Half of New Jersey first. Fact.

[C]

The first baseball game ever recorded as being played was played In Hoboken, N.J.

[B]

the first baseball did first.

[C]

The first baseball game that is like recorded and we have the score and what happened.

[A]

It's so funny thing of Hoboken now, but like, baseball has been around for a very long time.

[C]

So in true New Jersey sports fashion, both of the teams were Named for New York City. It was the New York Knickerbockers versus the New York Nine. Second New Jersey Fact. New Jersey has a spoon museum in Patterson. This spoon museum has over 5,600 spoons.

[E]

Species of spoons.

[D]

Watch the technicality, guys. 5,599.

[C]

Third New Jersey fact. New Jersey's very own Atlantic City is the basis for the property names in the popular board game.

[A]

Unless you're Monopoly. Yeah, that's true.

[C]

Shoots and laughs. Candyland. You guys remember, like, Candyland?

[D]

Hell yeah, bro.

[C]

You've never been to the Gumdrop Forest in New Jersey?

[A]

Not the Gumdrop Forest, where Bally's is.

[B]

Okay, the spoons one. I have no idea. I've never heard of it, but it wouldn't shock me. So that's where I'm at with that one, the Monopoly one. I know that that is true. And I believe there's no gotchas in there. That sounds like. Correct. Yeah. So the first one is the first ever baseball game recorded was in Hoboken.

[D]

Was it called Hoboken at the time?

[B]

The first ever baseball game is so long ago. Yeah, so long ago. Hoboken was. I mean, Hoboken. Okay, to be fair, Stevens was founded in, like, the 1870s. But baseball's older than that, right?

[E]

What came first, baseball or Hoboken?

[B]

How old is the first baseball game?

[D]

Yeah, when did the Louisiana Purchase happen?

[C]

Hold on.

[B]

The first. The first baseball game ever recorded? What year could that be?

[C]

I'm getting it for you.

[B]

1894 BB before Bing. Because I'm fairly sure 1846. Damn. So Stevens was founded in Hoboken in, like, 1876. So I guess it's possible that there was a Hoboken in 1840. Something. Wow.

[D]

It's probably called, like, New York extension at that point. Wait, New York. Across the river, New York.

[B]

Oh, was that part of it that they're called New York Nines and New York Knickerbockers?

[D]

Probably.

[B]

I have no idea if that's so.

[D]

Probably.

[E]

That wasn't part of the actual question. That was just more context.

[D]

The Hoboken thing?

[B]

No, the name New York and. Oh, teams. The teams.

[C]

I can't believe you haven't commented on anything. That this was a technically a Knicks game.

[A]

I know. Yeah.

[B]

Knickerbockers is funny.

[A]

New Jersey Knicks, they had Jalen Brunson. I don't know. The Pattersons.

[B]

Might as well be the Spoon Museum. I have no idea.

[A]

I know very little.

[D]

I bet it wasn't called Hoboken that's my guess. I kind of think, is it a fork museum?

[A]

Instead, I kind of think the spoon museum.

[B]

I think that's.

[D]

I have no opinion.

[B]

The spoon museum seems like one that we would skip over and just assume it's true. And I think that's what makes it a good lie.

[E]

Can I suggest that maybe we make this worth 4 points? So either you win or you lose on this answer.

[B]

All right. All right, that's fine.

[A]

Changes my confidence in this question.

[B]

We're going to just guess anyway.

[A]

And your guess is Spoon museum.

[C]

Spoon museum is correct, not just. David was correct again. The spoon museum only has 5,400 spoons, not the aforementioned 5,600.

[B]

Wait, wait. So the lie is not that there's a spoon museum?

[C]

No, there is a spoon museum in Patterson. It's just doesn't have quite as many actually.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Oh my God. I thought they said there was a fork museum.

[D]

No, no, no. Earlier in the episode, I said.

[A]

I said, watch.

[D]

The technicality is going to be that it has like 5,599.

[C]

So they say over 5,400. So not. Not the over 5,600, I said. Which means you guys with your four points have taken it to seven points, meaning you guys a beat the hosts.

[D]

Can you play the. Can you play the we're all winning extravaganza music?

[C]

David, I would take us to trivia. However, I heard because you told me 30 seconds ago that we have breaking news.

[D]

Breaking news. This is wfrm. We're coming at you with some breaking news here. Finally, we're not late on a topic. We talked about Ring earlier and how Ring is going to not use Flock for its search party feature. It's kind of not going forward with it now. There is a new report from 404 Media that just dropped that has some leaked emails from the CEO of Ring where he says this is by far the most innovation that we have ever launched in the history of Ring and it is not only the quality, but quantity. I believe that the foundation we created with Search Party first for finding dogs will end up becoming one of the most important pieces of tech and innovation to truly unlock the impact of our mission. You can now see a future where we are able to zero out crime in neighborhoods. So many things to do when we get there. But for the first time ever, we have the chance to fully complete compete complete what we started.

[E]

That was the Ring CEO. Not the Palantir CEO.

[D]

Yeah, the Ring CEO.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

So you know, they're like dogs only. Dogs only Dogs only.

[B]

Unless.

[C]

Unless we are so lucky, man. Like, ring guy is gonna, like, make crime zero. Sam Altman is gonna make cancer zero. Elon is gonna make poverty zero. Like, these guys just are so good.

[D]

They're so good at making the life.

[C]

Thanks, boys.

[D]

You know, sometimes there's a little bit too much skepticism, but I think that we have the perfect amount at this moment.

[C]

Well, you know what? You should have more skepticism about my trivia questions, because so often they require.

[E]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We haven't put trivia yet.

[C]

No, but we're about to do it

[D]

now, and then we're gonna do another game in the next episode.

[C]

Surprise.

[D]

We're playing games. Boy. I got games, boy.

[E]

Quick update on the score. Marquez with 14.

[B]

Still.

[E]

Still. David with 16. Andrew with 17, carrying the one.

[A]

How long have I had 17 for? I don't think I have a point in the new year.

[E]

No, you have a point in the new year. It's just I don't have a point

[A]

since Marquez complained about not having a point in the new year.

[E]

I think you haven't gotten a point

[A]

in, like, eight episodes since whenever Marquez whined about it.

[E]

He cursed you.

[A]

He did curse me.

[C]

It's like you're the Philadelphia 76ers and Marquez is Jared McCain getting traded away.

[A]

Yeah, God bless Jared McCain.

[E]

Anyway, we spoke about the Pixel 10A, but the first A series Pixel was the 3A. Which giant manufacturer made it? And I mean, like, the company that actually manufactured it, not the one that designed it, because we all know Google designed it. Oh, there's your hint, Andrew.

[A]

BBK the Great.

[D]

Who's that?

[E]

Blues musician.

[D]

I didn't think they existed anymore.

[E]

Flip em and read. What do you got? What'd you say?

[A]

I hope I'm right.

[B]

I said htc.

[E]

David, what'd you say?

[D]

I said htc.

[A]

Let me just write,

[B]

wrong.

[E]

Andrew, what'd you say?

[A]

LG Also wrong.

[E]

It was Foxconn.

[D]

Really?

[E]

Yeah. You guys looking it up before confused you.

[D]

Well, that's a bummer.

[E]

I definitely thought you guys were gonna get that one. I was trying to throw you a bone. Now you're stuck with Foxconn.

[A]

You thought Foxconn was throwing us a bone?

[E]

They make most of the phones in the world.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, every phone, actually. I thought they.

[C]

Okay, well, question number two, guys. Ring was not always called Ring. Before they were Ring, they were called A, Doorbot, B, Cambell, C, Stoop Watcher. Also, I should have said stoop Watcher does not have an E. It's just Stoop Watcher. With an R. Yeah, because this is like.

[A]

Oh, that does sound really hun.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, it depends where they were headquartered.

[C]

Sesame Street.

[D]

Is that a real place?

[C]

Sesame Street?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

It's in Atlantic City with the rest of the Monopoly properties.

[A]

Right next to the Gumdrop floor.

[C]

It's right next to the Gumdrop floor.

[B]

It's in New York City.

[D]

You're a Taco Bell. Just read Campbell. Okay.

[E]

What?

[D]

What? We all put something different.

[A]

No, Marquez and I put the same thing.

[B]

Yeah. Andrew and I put B. Campbell.

[C]

Campbell. Like the soup.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I wanted that to be right so bad.

[D]

I put C. Stoop Watcher.

[C]

No, it's called Doorbot.

[E]

You guys are on one.

[D]

Doorbot is a what? It's a horrible name.

[E]

This makes it easy for me because I don't have to update the score graphics.

[A]

Used the same graphic for, like, six weeks.

[C]

We thought it was called Cambell.

[B]

Instant.

[D]

Instant Cease and desist.

[A]

You guys are getting good at when we ask questions to, like, answer the questions on the fake things really believably.

[D]

Honestly, when Ellis said with an R, I should have known it wasn't that one.

[B]

Well, we tried Door Bot.

[C]

I think, like, most of this podcast was just Adam and I not telling the truth

[B]

and us, like, floundering and floundering.

[A]

Yeah, it's bot.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What makes it a bot?

[B]

I don't know. It just seems like a cool thing to say. But yeah. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for hyping. If you are still hyping or able to. We appreciate that. Thanks for liking and thanks for rating us on whatever podcast app you choose. We'll be back with you next week. And that'll be what? Samsung event first. Yeah. See you. See you soon after the Samsung event and then the other event and then the other event after that.

[D]

Where nothing new will be announced.

[C]

No, something from nothing will be new on next week.

[D]

No, that's the next next week.

[C]

Okay. So nothing new will be announced from anyone new.

[D]

Nothing new. Nothing is in two weeks. Nothing new is next week.

[C]

Amazing. Thank you so much.

[B]

Yeah. Perfect.

[A]

Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and ellisarovin. Why did that sound so weird?

[E]

You're doing a great sweetie.

[A]

Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven, partner with Vox Media Podcast Network. And Intro Outro Music was created by Vane. Still bingo. Sense.

[B]

This is all pure speculation. I'm not holding any of them in my pockets right now, by the way. These are facts.

[A]

Are you?

[D]

These are facts.

[A]

No.

[E]

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