WWDC 2026: Is Siri Actually Good Now?

Summary

Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast — "WWDC 2026: Is Siri Actually Good Now?"

Date: June 12, 2026
Host: Marques Brownlee (MKBHD)
Co-Hosts: Andrew Manganelli, David Imel, Ellis, Rufus

Episode Overview

This episode is a deep-dive into Apple's WWDC 2026 announcements, focusing on the sweeping changes to software, new AI features — especially the "new" Siri ("Siri AI") — and what it all means for the Apple ecosystem. The team also discusses Apple's new parental controls, reminisces about classic video games, and takes listener questions about the event.

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Key Sections & Discussion Points

1. First Impressions of WWDC 2026 Production

• Apple’s keynote presentation style changed: noticeable differences in video production e.g., more people walking in the background, more handheld camera shots, less diffusion in lighting. (04:43 - 07:13)

  • Marques: “It just felt a little bit more natural. A little less hyper-polished.”
  • Ellis: “My theory is because they were announcing all the AI stuff and they wanted to feel human before it's sterile and robotic...” (07:13)

• Keynote nostalgia:

  • Brief mention of the “rap” at the end of the keynote dividing opinion.
  • Shoutout to Tim Cook’s (likely) final WWDC and the elusive John Ternus (08:35).

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2. Platform Updates: The 'Snow Leopard' Year

• Theme: No huge new features, but many small performance and reliability improvements across iOS, macOS, iPadOS, watchOS.
• References to "Snow Leopard" — the macOS release famous for refining, not reinventing. (12:23 - 13:17)

Performance & UI Tweaks

• Faster app launches (30% faster), older iPhones (down to iPhone 11) now feel much snappier.
• New transparency (“liquid glass”) sliders for customizing UI elements’ translucency.
  • Marques: “Give us a slider, we just want to adjust it. And then the fact that you can make it more clear or less clear is hilarious.”
• Sharper UI edges, improved corner radii.

Utility Additions & Improvements

• Network switching (WiFi <-> Cellular) is now much faster (17:02).

• Overhauled Genmoji and Image Playground with new generative models (18:10–21:13).

• New photo tools: improved "cleanup," image "extend" (similar to Photoshop generative expand), and "spatial reframe" (3D pivoting/warping of photos using Vision Pro tech). (21:13–27:28)

  • Marques: “Spatial reframe… is really trippy…change the place you took the photo from in 3D space…that should be interesting.” (24:22)

• UI tweaks to camera app, Siri overlays, and image analysis mode for receipt scanning and bill splitting.

  • Marques: “For the tech demo, it's like, oh, that's cool that that worked.” (29:35)

• Password manager now can “agentically” fix weak/reused passwords by logging in, resetting, and updating passwords for you. (31:18)

  • Marques: “This, to me, was the biggest new feature… the most agentic new feature as well.” (32:08)

• Shared photo albums: Full-resolution support, now open to Android and Windows users. (42:52)

• Sherlocking Watch: Multiple third-party apps/ideas outright copied by Apple, e.g., Splitwise (for bill splitting), Fantastical (natural-language calendar entries), and more.

Small Quality of Life Updates

• Customizable step counts between Health and Fitness apps synced better (44:32)
• Call context: automatic finding/gathering context for things like airline reservation numbers when calling airlines (44:32–45:26)
• Custom location-sharing durations in Find My (42:06)
• Calendar events via natural language (41:39)
• Dual camera in FaceTime (44:44)
• Subscription bundles in App Store, collaborative developer offerings (41:09)

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3. macOS & Ecosystem: "Golden Gate"

• macOS 27 named "Golden Gate" — continuing tradition of California-based names, though now including reference to the Golden Gate Bridge.
• Safari gains built-in AI:
  • Natural language Safari extension creation (e.g., “build an extension to save bookmarks and rate recipes”).
  • Auto-tab grouping by context, AI-powered monitoring of webpage changes (e.g. checking for sold-out concert tickets) — but with intentional limitations (checks only once/day).
• Major usability improvement: macOS will now remember the orientation of windows and displays when plugging/unplugging monitors. (52:51)
  • Andrew: “This is actually huge. They could have only said that and I would have stood up in class.” (52:52)

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4. Apple Watch, iPadOS, tvOS, and Vision Pro

• Apple Watch: Minor changes but major outrage over dropped compatibility (Series 9 and above only, temporarily confused at keynote).
• Vision Pro:
  • User panoramas as virtual environments
  • New “floating Siri orb” (Palantir-style)
  • Safari 3D environments
  • Visual circle-style search in the real world via Vision Pro

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5. AirPods: Customizable EQ (60:56)

• Long-requested — finally available (three bands only).
  • Rufus: “It's a little disappointing that it's only three bands... should have been a feature that came with them, like in AirPods one ten years ago.”
  • Rufus goes in-depth on subtle sound changes between AirPods Pro models.

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6. Parental Controls Overhaul (69:33)

• Major redesign: Simpler child account creation, easier conversion of current child accounts, more granular controls (by app, by time/day, by device activity).
• Kids can request access to apps, websites, and contacts, with parent approval.
  • Andrew (as a dad): “You did great on your test. You can have 30 more minutes of YouTube tonight.” (73:04)
• Features are designed to encourage parents to pick iPhone for their kids; these controls are easier to use and more accessible.
  • David: “I also think that most parents don't know they exist. So any way that Apple can get out, even Google, Apple, whoever's making these... to bring awareness to these things. I think that's very, very important.” (75:41)
• Dedicated website for parents.

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7. Deep Dive: "Is Siri Actually Good Now?" (Siri AI)

Capabilities and Limitations

• Personal context: Siri now has access to your device’s messages, email, calendar, notes – using on-device models where possible, and cloud-compute when necessary.

• In-app actions: More sophisticated chainable commands (e.g., find a podcast mentioned in a text, play it in your podcast app — if supported).

• On-screen awareness: Like “circle to search,” Siri can process and act on what’s currently visible, even in the physical world (Vision Pro).

• Default apps: Siri is supposed to work with default app settings (e.g. using Gmail if set as default), but in practice, still significantly prefers Apple’s own apps for deep integration.

  • David (Demo): “I changed my default email app to Gmail... Hey Siri, send an email... it still opened Apple Mail after all.” (80:19)
  • Marques: “As an iPhone user... I wonder how much of this stuff will work...” (81:25)

• Early Testing: Some requests succeed, many fail or partly fail; developers need to adopt new app intents for deeper integration.

• Voice model: New customizable Siri voice, but not yet industry-leading.

Tech/Privacy Architecture (83:34)

• Apple's Model Structure:

  • Two on-device models (3B and 20B parameters, bigger one only on most advanced iPhones).
  • Three private cloud compute models (including image generation/understanding models, running on Google Cloud + Nvidia GPUs for toughest tasks).
  • Gemini used as a training “tutor” but not as runtime foundation; Apple models are “taught by Gemini.”
  • Always attempts to avoid unnecessary cloud calls; personal data stays on device by default.
  • Privacy concerns discussed — e.g., how external cloud compute can be reconciled with Apple’s privacy and what exactly runs where.

• Cross-Device Continuity: Siri app serves as a cross-device “memory” and reference for your requests (88:11).

• UI/UX Observations: Overlay-centric, always on top of whatever you’re doing. But lacks live dictation feedback (unlike Google Assistant, etc.) — a confidence issue (89:28).

• Bottom line: It’s a better, more context-aware Siri — but only truly magical if you’re all-in on Apple’s first-party apps.

  • Marques: “If you are just entirely in Apple walls, everything works. Dude, it's awesome… But right now, I’m not gonna use Golden Gate Bridge, and that’s fine. And if you use Gemini, it's all gonna be great... But if you do the Apple thing…it will use Apple reminders, it will use Apple podcasts, it will use Apple calendars...”
  • David: “This, to me, was the biggest new feature...the most agentic new feature...” (Siri changing passwords/taking action)

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8. Listener Trivia & Notable Moments

• Fun trivia questions throughout relating to obscure WWDC tidbits (e.g., color of Golden Gate Bridge is “International Orange” [109:17], or the WWDC demo flight’s destination was Iceland [112:13]).
• <em>“Sherlocking”</em> gets running tally as Apple bakes in features popularized by indie apps.

9. Nostalgia and Off-Topic (Post-WWDC)

• Extended sidetracks into nostalgia gaming: transparent green Xbox, Nintendo’s direction with hyper-realistic remasters, the Ocarina of Time debate ("You can vote with your wallets!").
• Jokes about parents using apps to control kids’ screen time, and speculation about future smartglasses/kids and their “metaverse” experiences.

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Notable Quotes

• On WWDC production:
  Marques: "It just felt a little bit more natural. A little less hyper-polished." (07:05)
• On software quality year:
  Marques: “No big design overhaul, no huge features really needed. Just fix the buggy crap.” (12:23)
• On Siri’s real-world value:
  Marques: “What is the thing about Siri that would make you even try to use it… Well, it’s the one that can plug deeply into your personal context. And the stuff that’s on your iPhone.” (78:38)
• On app integration limitations:
  David: “I use Google Maps. I use Gmail. I use Pocket Cast. I don’t want to use only Apple apps.” (81:41)
• On parental controls:
  Andrew: “You did great on your test. You can have 30 more minutes of YouTube tonight.” (73:04)
• On AirPods EQ:
  Rufus: “It’s a little disappointing that it’s only three bands… should have been a feature that came with them like in AirPods one ten years ago.” (61:00)

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Important Timestamps

• 04:43 — Discussion on production style of WWDC 2026 keynote
• 12:23 — The "Snow Leopard" iOS/macOS year: performance over new features
• 21:13 — New photo features: Extend and spatial reframe
• 31:18 — Password manager agentically changes your passwords
• 41:39 — Sherlock watch; natural language calendar events
• 52:51 — macOS now remembers orientation of windows/displays
• 60:56 — Customizable EQ comes to AirPods
• 69:33 — New granular parental controls
• 78:38 — Introduction to Siri AI and why it matters
• 81:41 — Demo of Siri default app integration (or lack thereof)
• 83:34 — Apple’s AI models, cloud vs. on-device, and privacy tension
• 88:11 — The new Siri UI and overlay concept
• 89:28 — Feedback: lack of live transcription while speaking
• 109:17 / 112:13 — Trivia: Golden Gate color & WWDC demo flight destination

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Closing Thoughts

• Overall Tone: Tech-nerd banter, deep but approachable, honest about both excitement and skepticism, especially with Apple AI claims.
• Action Items for Listeners:
  • Let the team know what Siri AI edge-cases they want tested.
  • Expect future in-depth reviews as the team spends more hands-on time with the new features.
• Final joke/reference: “Kool Aid.” (Easter egg for listeners making it to the end.)

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Useful for Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This summary covers all the major WWDC 2026 announcements, details on performance and parental control upgrades, honest first impressions of Siri AI, and both technical and real-world limitations. Also, it highlights the growing Apple-centricity (“walled garden”) for deep AI integration — the new Siri is great, if you’re all-in. Plenty of side-discussions and humor ensure an engaging listen, especially if you’re craving both nostalgia and the bleeding edge of consumer tech.

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For discussion topics, listener feedback, or edge-case suggestions for Siri, reach out via the usual channels or comment on the relevant platform.

Transcript

[Andrew]

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[Marques]

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[Andrew]

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[Marques]

Is that the name of the thing?

[Andrew]

They're calling it the Xbox Series X25.

[Marques]

You said Xbox like four times in that name. Xbox X25. Xbox Series. Yo, what is up, people of the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

[Andrew]

I'm Andrew.

[David]

I'm dav.

[Marques]

And this week was WWDC week from Apple. So of course we'll be talking about that quite a bit. New software, new AI, a lot of thoughts.

[David]

Old Siri. Maybe some hot takes.

[Marques]

Old Siri, but maybe some other stuff too. We've got potentially a couple of nostalgic video game stories. You know how I feel about nostalgia.

[David]

Backyard baseball.

[Andrew]

Yep. Yeah.

[Marques]

It's never gonna not come up.

[David]

Marquez.

[Andrew]

Pick it and choose it.

[Marques]

It's always gonna come up. By the way, if you're a new listener just trying to hear what happened at Dub Dub, hit that subscribe button. We talk about all the newest tech stories. Every. Of course, whenever the next big show is, we'll be talking about that too. Get subscribed. So you hear that ASAP. When it drops audio versions like 5 in the morning or something.

[David]

4 in the morning.

[Marques]

You get to listen on mute no matter what time you commute.

[Ellis]

Even asaper.

[Marques]

Yeah. So. But first, did they even test this? Does anybody have a digi?

[Andrew]

Adam's got one.

[Marques]

Oh, yeah.

[Ellis]

This was my turn.

[Marques]

Okay.

[Ellis]

So my. Did they even test this is. I think it is a universal experience if you have the services that I have, which is a weird way to phrase this.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Like 14 people on the Apple TV. If you have YouTube downloaded. And you also have YouTube TV downloaded. I am one of those people that like to put related things together. So I will sit there and rearrange my icons, rearrange the apps, everything to put them together. So I was like, oh, YouTube and YouTube TV. I'll put them together. They have like the exact same icon. And it is so confusing. And every time I'm trying to pick one, I accidentally pick the other one. The only difference is that one is in light mode, one is in dark Mode, and the YouTube TV one says TV at the end of it. But like besides that, they look exactly the same. So there's been so many times that like just my fiance will sit down and try to go to YouTube and she'll accidentally pick YouTube TV or I will try to pick YouTube TV and I'll just like not really thinking about it, pick YouTube and I'm like, they need slightly different icons.

[David]

Or hear me out. You just go to YouTube and they have a tab that says TV and it holds.

[Andrew]

Kind of assumed that's what it was.

[Ellis]

I think that's only on. I could be wrong. I think that's on other like Roku or something like that. Because Roku them didn't have a deal. Something like that.

[Marques]

I forget.

[Ellis]

But why don't they just do it?

[Marques]

I'll tell you.

[Ellis]

On iPad TV there is an app for it.

[Marques]

I have the iPad YouTube app and the YouTube TV app and I regularly. They are almost exactly the same icon as well, just with a little TV at the bottom. So I also sometimes hit the wrong one.

[Ellis]

Oh yeah. This might just be just an app that not even just for Apple tv. They might just have too similar an app.

[Marques]

Probably app icon. You know what they should change it to? Remember when the old iOS original YouTube app was a TV?

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Marques]

That's what the YouTube TV should be.

[David]

The old YouTube icon.

[Marques]

Yeah, just throw it all the way back. Nostalgia.

[David]

That'd be sick. Nostalgia.

[Ellis]

Nostalgia sells. Sex is so last decade.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

Speaking of, did they even test this? By the way, one of our readers did go and create a. Did they even test this subreddit?

[Ellis]

Oh, yes.

[David]

So if people want to submit their own. Did they even test this? We will be looking through those. We don't moderate it, but we will be looking at it.

[Marques]

Are you saying we'll test them?

[David]

We may.

[Marques]

We may.

[David]

Because sometimes the things that we bring, we didn't even test, to be honest.

[Andrew]

That's like last week's title for the podcast.

[David]

Yeah, like last week's title.

[Marques]

We actually, if you know you know?

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

If you know, you know, draft.

[David]

Okay.

[Ellis]

Notification gang.

[David]

Big deal. Tim Cook's the last. Good morning. I dubbed up this year.

[Ellis]

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today at Apple Park.

[Marques]

It was interesting. It was interesting. There's a lot of. I was just telling you guys off camera, but I feel like there were a bunch of little things that were slightly different about this keynote that they've technically never done before. Yeah, it might not make much of a difference at all, but did you notice that there were people, for the first time I've ever seen this, walking in the background behind the presenter in Apple Park? Like, Craig would walk out of the woods and in the blurry in the background, there'd be two people walking with binders, just like, having a conversation.

[Andrew]

There's a few instances where people were in the background. It was like, not enough people to think that the campus was. Because, like, normally it feels.

[Marques]

Normally it's totally sterile. Nobody's in the background.

[Andrew]

But there were still so few that it still felt closed down and like, pos. There was one where they were by the. What's that, like, reflecting pool?

[Marques]

Some big shallow pool. Yeah, I don't even know where that

[Andrew]

is in the background. There was two people talking to each other, but one was wearing all black and just blended in. So it just looks like one person talking to themselves for a little bit. But, yeah, I can't tell if they were told to be there.

[Marques]

I noticed that. I felt like that's. It's definitely. It's such a big production. It has to be an intentional choice of like, oh, we're shooting it on campus. We might as well make it feel more like the campus is alive. But that was a small thing. I noticed.

[David]

A lot of the production seemed to be a little less high quality than usual.

[Marques]

Well, that's exactly.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques]

That's another thing I was going to say. Did you notice a lot of the shots felt a little bit more handheld?

[Andrew]

We were freaking out. We probably missed the first 15 minutes of it because we're all like, is this fake handheld? Is this real? Some of it was good. Some of it was really bad.

[Marques]

Yeah, yeah. Distract. Again, it's definitely an intentional decision of, like, let's make it feel a little more alive, a little more dynamic. Those are such big productions that every little thing is being considered and someone decided that they would do a little bit less big sweepy, slow mo and a little bit more wobbly handhelds.

[David]

But the thing I will say is that they didn't even do any drone shots. This year when they announced the new Mac OS version, which we will get, they didn't have any shots of them in front of that location. Like they didn't do any crazy location stuff this year, which made me think that maybe they did rush the video production. Like they only did it a few weeks ago.

[Andrew]

Maybe.

[Marques]

Here's one more thing I noticed that I've never seen before. Did you notice that they didn't diffuse the light as much and it was clearly broad daylight instead of being super, super soft? Yes. It's a small thing.

[David]

Well, this is what I'm saying. It felt less produced, which it just

[Marques]

felt a little different. I don't know if it felt to me less produced. It just felt a little bit more natur. A little less hyper polished.

[Ellis]

My theory is because they were announcing all the AI stuff and they wanted to feel human before it's sterile and robotic and beautiful. Sweeping. We're so cool now. It's like they're going to be talking

[David]

about AI for an hour.

[Ellis]

Let's make it handheld. Let's people in the background.

[Andrew]

That tracks with all the transitions. The transitions were very like low frame rate, like match cuts and stuff. It looked very human, I guess is a way of saying. Which I liked. Really like that. Then they ruined it all with that rap at the end. That was. That was horrible, dude.

[Marques]

That was incredible. That was such a hard disagree. That was amazing.

[David]

No way, bro.

[Marques]

The only thing I've been listening, bro, they had.

[David]

It was just the corporate appeasement rap. They were like the Gap and Walmart. Come on.

[Marques]

That's one way of looking at it.

[David]

What do you mean?

[Marques]

It was also like all the developers were there and they were like, please shout out my app. And they did and they went, yeah,

[David]

but there were so many cool corporate apps though.

[Marques]

Yeah, but the developers of those apps are still people.

[Andrew]

That was the equivalent of when a YouTuber puts all of the Patreon members at the end of their YouTube video. That was just them shouting them out at the end.

[Marques]

Yeah. And you know, I can't attribute any of this unique stuff to being like Tim's last dub dub or like the handoff to turn us or whatever. But I, you know, those were things that we noticed and we always seem to think of Apple's keynotes as like the staple of like what you expect to tech keynote to be and what everyone seems to be chasing. So it's interesting to notice that stuff.

[Andrew]

I don't know if either of you guys went to it, but I saw like 400 selfies with John Ternus.

[David]

So I was there. Yeah, they brought. So John Turners was not in the event at all, which is interesting. He was on the video. It was kind of surprising.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

But yeah, there was a little. There's like a little media mixer every year that traditionally has only been for international people. And then now they finally added us people to it. I went to just mingle with my friends, like the Verge team and stuff. And yeah, they brought John Ternus in and he basically just did like a power walk through there, like slowly, just boom, boom, boom, boom. And he was there for like maybe half an hour and then he peaced out. And I think that they just wanted to bring him in to be like, he's human, he's accessible, he's cool.

[Andrew]

It made me think he was going to be in the event somewhere.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[David]

And he was not in it at all.

[Marques]

Yeah. I mean, Tim Cook's still the CEO for now.

[David]

Craig's still the head of software for now.

[Marques]

So for now this is a normal WWDC cast of characters. We never see John at Dub Dub. Cause he's the hardware guy.

[Andrew]

I kind of thought there would be like a handoff or like an ode somewhere in the end. Like a.

[Marques]

The ode.

[David]

Something happened in person.

[Marques]

Yeah. So I guess in person what they'll typically do. I've said this in videos before, but they tried out the CEO and Craig for like five minutes of speech before the livestream starts. So people who are there will get that live stream. So is Craig. He walks out, he goes, this is, you know, big round of applause. Tim's last Dub Dub, 15 years of leadership. It's all great. Tim comes out, he gives about 25 thank yous.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Cause everyone's like standing, you know, everyone there is super loves Apple. So they're all standing, applauding. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Then he gives it five minutes of. This has been the honor of my life. And enjoy the show.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So that was the ode, I think.

[Andrew]

Why can't they just show that?

[David]

I was surprised at that too.

[Andrew]

I've been always wondering that this felt the best time to do it.

[Ellis]

If I was Tim Cook, I would not want that shown in that way because I don't think he wants it to be about himself. He wants it to be about what Apple does and what it means to developers in the world and all this stuff, like take the focus off of him.

[Marques]

There was a tiny, tiny bit at the very end. Didn't he say, like the last 15 years has been great, basically. Yeah, that was kind of it. Yeah.

[David]

You know. Yeah.

[Andrew]

He didn't actually. I don't think he actually said goodbye in that. Like, he doesn't mention. He just said, like, this has been life changing. Yeah, it's been great.

[David]

Well, he's still there until September.

[Andrew]

Yeah. But it was still his last event.

[David]

He's headlining that, though.

[Ellis]

But he's. He'll still be CEO. Oh, no. He takes over September 1st.

[Marques]

September 1st. Yeah.

[David]

He won't be CEO anymore. Yeah.

[Marques]

They'll be in the audience just like a fan.

[Andrew]

He'll be making a new Ferrari by then.

[Marques]

I really hope not.

[David]

Yeah. Okay. Well, I did tweet a video of six years ago of Tim Cook saying thank you 25 times. So if you actually want to see it, even though it wasn't in the live stream, you can head to my Twitter. But we got to get into the actual announcements. Yeah, we're breaking this out. The way that we're going to handle this is because it was a crazy. There's. This is one of the years where there's just like 8,000 little updates. So the way that we're going to break this down is that we're going to go through the platform changes, which is the Apple watch, the iPhone, the iPad, the Mac, all that kind of stuff. And then we are going to go into the parental safety and parental safety stuff, and then we're gonna do Siri separately because this year is a big Siri year. It's the. The Siri Part 2 Electric Boogaloo.

[Ellis]

I just want to say I was close. I said they would call it Siri os. They called it Siri AI.

[David]

They called Siri AI, which is very.

[Marques]

Sure. Very close.

[Andrew]

Total letters, different, but physically very close.

[David]

True. Yeah. So we're gonna handle Siri completely separately, but I think first we should just go through the individual platform updates. And I specifically stripped the series stuff from the platform updates because we're going to all handle it all together. Right.

[Marques]

Yeah. A lot of people have been describing this as like this snow leopard of, you know, it's a bunch of small incremental combing through attention to detail performance increases. Like, no big design overhaul, no huge features really needed. Just fix the buggy crap.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

You know, like you've been building all this wonderful new stuff, but it's been kind of a show behind the scenes and like, fix that part, you know, so now much more efficiencies. Much more. We heard things like faster app opening, faster file loading, faster indexing, and things like that.

[Andrew]

My favorite part about that is, did you notice when that she came up and she's talking about all these things that are faster and has this big list that keeps scrolling, and I was like, oh, man, it's in alphabetical order and there's still an F. Then I realized every single time it scrolls, it's just because it starts with faster. Faster. It's like a list of like 50 things that just all start with faster.

[Marques]

And I welcome that. That's great. I want everything to feel super snappy. 80% faster. AirDrops is like, all right. Yeah, great.

[Rufus]

Up to.

[Marques]

Up to, obviously, maybe once in a while it'll be 80% faster.

[Ellis]

Oh, yeah, by the way, we should mention Rufus is here.

[Marques]

Oh, yeah. Hey.

[David]

Hey. Ellis is on vacation. Yeah.

[Marques]

Look at me. He's not dying, so I'm. I'm happy to see that stuff. Yeah.

[David]

So. So if you guys know what Snow Leopard is, I was looking more into Snow Leopard. It's an old macOS version that was the follow up to OSX Leopard.

[Andrew]

Where's Snow Leopard? In California?

[David]

It's in Lake Tahoe. So, anyway, there. The tagline for Snow Leopard, I just wanted to call this out, was zero new and zero new features, which is very funny.

[Marques]

Hell yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

I just think, embrace it.

[David]

That's such a.

[Marques]

The thing you already know and love

[David]

Steve Jobs thing just works better. Yes. Yes.

[Andrew]

Trust me.

[Marques]

They shouted out things like improved crispr icons, matching corner radii that actually people

[David]

complain about all the time, by the way.

[Marques]

That's huge. That's why I was specifically looking. I haven't downloaded the beta yet, but you know that thing where you go to airdrop someone and then you select all the people to airdrop to, and you're about to click one and then it just shifts them all over and the one you click is not the one you wanted, and it shifts them all over again.

[David]

The worst.

[Marques]

This better be one of those improvements.

[David]

They better have to fix that. It's supposed to fix that.

[Marques]

Better have fixed that.

[David]

All right, so number one, when you first boot up your new iPhone with iOS 27 or your Mac, there are now liquid glass sliders. So you can decide whether or not you want it to be fully glassy, little in the middle, or very opaque?

[Andrew]

Did you test try it?

[Marques]

I did.

[Andrew]

Am I correct in saying they said for people who want it more transparent, there's ultra clear?

[David]

So that slider, now, it's not more than before? Are you sure it's like before?

[Marques]

Okay, so the middle is not between. So like, if I were to compare today's liquid glass with the middle of the slider for tomorrow's liquid glass, I

[David]

would say it's between the original, what they shipped at the very beginning that was like really translucent with what they shipped later where they made it a little more opaque. It's like in the middle of those.

[Marques]

Okay, yeah, I have a feeling I will say I love this. Yeah, yeah, this is, this is the thing. I feel like people mock this up on Twitter for like months after it came out. Like, give us a slider, we just want to adjust it. And then the fact that you can make it more clear or less clear is hilarious. There are people on both sides of the fence. So there it is.

[Andrew]

They did say for some users who would like liquid glass to be even more clear and others provide more tinted

[David]

appearance, which I remember they sort of.

[Andrew]

So it's like free. It's like alpha.

[David]

However, however, there is a universal change that makes it more readable and that is that they basically sharpened the edges of all of the liquid glass interfaces. So anything that has the translucency on it, it's got like, it's got sharpening around the perimeter, which just makes it easier to like read things. It makes it easier to like see the difference between the liquid glass interface and what's below it. Yeah, it's better across the board by far. So that is good.

[Andrew]

Good.

[David]

Yeah. As you mentioned, Marques, apps launch up to 30% faster. This is especially obvious on older iPhones because this OS does go back to the iPhone 11, which is really cool.

[Marques]

Can I just say again, making older iPhones much faster without adding any new features is a great software Update.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

The iPhone 11 is how old now? I mean, that's an older. That's seven years old, that phone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

That's a long time ago to be getting a software update to make it dramatically faster. Yeah, thumbs up for that.

[David]

Big thumbs up.

[Andrew]

The CPU scheduler will go all the way back to iPhone 11 as well. And they said that was one where it's like, this is what it does. But it will probably be helping those phones way more than the newer phone.

[David]

Yes, yes. We're also getting automatic WI fi to cellular switching to be much faster, which is good. They basically mentioned that, you know, you're in your house, you walk into your garage, but then your phone doesn't want to connect to your cellular. But it's also on too weak of a WI fi connection, so you can't actually start your music fast enough. Now when it detects that you're on a very weak WI FI connection. I' instantly switch to cellular. So smart.

[Andrew]

That happens at the gym here every single time. I have to just manually swap to data instead.

[David]

Yes. Okay. Genmoji got overhauled.

[Andrew]

Okay, we can skip.

[David]

I specifically fleshed this out, baby, because I love it.

[Andrew]

These are some good things. And then Genmoji has, like, six gen.

[David]

Okay. But it's a completely different interface now. Like, they totally changed the Genmoji interface.

[Marques]

Okay.

[David]

And. And Genmoji used to make your phone, like, catch on fire, and now it's. It doesn't at all.

[Ellis]

Does it still send us a sticker? Well, it's the only thing that matters different.

[David]

It's not a sticker. Well, you can create a sticker, but a Genmoji is. It's like sort of in between a sticker and an emoji.

[Ellis]

It sends us an.

[Andrew]

It's revolutionary.

[David]

It's like a. It's a scalable image vector file, but

[Ellis]

it sends as a sticker.

[Andrew]

Shut up, Adam.

[Marques]

Trying to make it sound useful as a scalable image vector file is hilarious.

[David]

Okay, well, before, you had to, like, select a person to use as a base, and then you had to, like, mix it within a mo and it was just weird and not good. I still loved it, but it was still not good. Now you can use any image, and it will basically, like, make, like, a gen moji of that image, which is crazy.

[Ellis]

I love all these, too. Like, emoji Kitchen in gboard. Freaking awesome. But, like, they send us images, and it kind of ruins the, like, comedic effect when a giant.

[David]

This is not ruins. I mean, I could try to send this to you, Adam. Do you want to see what happens?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

I'm going to send to you, Adam.

[Ellis]

I'm not on iOS, by the way.

[David]

I know.

[Andrew]

That's why I'm definitely coming in as a jpeg.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

All right. We're going to make jpeg.

[David]

Okay. This is the new gen. This is the new Genmoji ui, Right? It's way better. You can start recording. I'll screen record.

[Ellis]

Thank you.

[Andrew]

It looks very like AI prompt.

[David]

You look like an AI prompt.

[Andrew]

Well, I probably will look cooler than that. Genmoji. It says emoji. Describe an emoji.

[David]

Let's say we're going to make this. This is me as link from Zelda.

[Ellis]

And let's say, dude, copyright is just not a thing.

[David]

Yeah. I'm not even describing anything. I'm just developing a gen mode.

[Andrew]

It is. It's got a little bubble around it.

[David]

Look at this. That's pretty bad.

[Andrew]

Actually. I don't think that's that bad.

[David]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Except for the fact that. So it.

[David]

It actually did use me, like, stick navi and everything.

[Andrew]

The biggest issue is it looks like it's really poorly cut out from a background, even though it's a generated emoji. Why does it have, like.

[David]

So it looks that way at first, but when you actually send it, it doesn't go through like that. Okay, describe a change, though. What would you like to change about this? You want to mix it with a.

[Andrew]

Get rid of the crappy white.

[David]

You can mix it with a real emoji. Let's mix it with the crying, laughing.

[Andrew]

Did you say beaver beer?

[David]

There was a. Oh, let's do crying, laughing, and beer. Wait, is there a beer?

[Andrew]

It was right before it.

[David]

I know it might be Cheers here. This is a Cheers emoji. Okay, let's see what happens. Boom, baby.

[Marques]

I'm so sorry, listeners.

[David]

This is. And, okay.

[Andrew]

Interactive thing.

[David]

There's a little liquid glass thing that goes around. Oh, you can't. All right. No beer anyway. Okay, that's fine. We'll. We'll end it there.

[Andrew]

There's.

[David]

I don't want to. All I got to say is I love emoji.

[Marques]

Gen emojis overhauled. I know a lot of you guys were waiting for.

[Andrew]

David really just sold gen emoji for everyone.

[David]

I mean, way improved performance. Like, Multi element designs, interactive editing. It's pretty cool. Speaking of that whole image generating model, Image Playground got revamped with photorealistic generation and new editing tools. I'm pretty sure this is sort of using the same stuff as, like, Nano Banana, you know? Yeah, it's not directly Nano Banana because none of this is directly Gemini, but sure, that's what they say.

[Marques]

Sloth generator just got way more.

[David]

Yeah, Slap generator. I actually did write that down.

[Andrew]

Yeah, you wrote slop, like, 14 times.

[David]

Oh, yeah. It'll also suggest slop wallpapers for you, which is fun and not fun Slop papers. Look under your seat.

[Rufus]

It's more slop.

[David]

It's more slop. Okay. Okay.

[Marques]

You get slop.

[David]

You get slop. Okay. We have new photo editing tools within the photos app.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Marques]

These are interesting.

[David]

These are actually interesting. And I got to, like, talk to them about how they work, and it's really interesting. It uses a lot of Vision Pro technology, actually. So the Vision Pro was not for nothing.

[Marques]

Okay, so there's three new photo editing tools.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

The first one, well, is not new, but it's improved cleanup. You've probably heard of cleanup improve by a lot improve. Tap the item in the front or the background and it deletes it. We've seen a lot of comparisons of people, like comparing it to like a Samsung phone where the Samsung phone reconstructs your face and the Apple one doesn't do it well. Yeah, seems like this one's much better. So cleanup is better. The second one is extend. So if you have a shot that you want to add to the side or top of, you know, you wish you were standing further away or you don't have an ultra wide because you have an iPhone air, you want to get more of the background. You can extend an Image up to 25% on any edge and it'll generate more of what it thinks the rest of the photo would look like. Now I think you can then just take that and extend it again and then just take that and extend it again. So the 25% limit is for each pass. But eventually it's gonna.

[Andrew]

It's gonna get worse. It's like a game of telephone with the edges at that point.

[Marques]

Yeah. The examples they showed us were like a person in the center of the frame perfectly. And it's just like background and you just add more background.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

It's funny because I feel like the most useful that would be is when you are not centered and maybe you want to upload to something like Instagram, which is square, and you're like, yeah, I just want to not have to crop in order to center myself, but just add some stuff that no one on Instagram cares about. If the left side of the frame is 15%.

[David]

I have tried this a few times and we have to give a disclaimer that this is all beta software legally. Yeah. But I took a photo of V Song from the Verge and her arm was slightly cut off here and she was sitting on a. On a chair and her sweater was like hanging off the back of the chair and part of the sweater was cut off and her arm was cut off. So I extended it out. It like added arm pixels and it looked very, very realistic. And the part of the chair that it added, it also had her sweater draping along the back of the chair. It looked very, very realistic.

[Marques]

Sounds I've seen. I mean, the examples look good. I think I'm going to try it with the note. I mean, it'll be best with just pattern background, so it just makes more pattern. But I'm going to try it with all the other things like arms and Legs and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

So extending images in, like, Photoshop or whatever is always either like, holy cow, that was incredible. And I did you no work or. What on earth are you trying to add to this?

[Marques]

Added a third arm.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Do you think you can use this

[Rufus]

to make yourself look taller?

[David]

Probably.

[Rufus]

Like, who needs leg lengthening surgery?

[Marques]

Yeah, it depends on how. What it decides to do.

[David]

I tend to my legs. Yeah.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Because you can't tell it directly what to do in this version, but I guess if you're.

[Andrew]

If you're wearing shorts and it like cuts off at the shins, will it just keep adding shins longer and longer down?

[David]

Yeah, I think it'll probably.

[Rufus]

At some point it has to decide there's feet.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

If I just keep extending it.

[Andrew]

I want to try that.

[Marques]

It's going to draw legs until it's going to figure out what shoes it wants to add.

[David]

Damn.

[Marques]

So that's. Yeah, that is extend. Fun for changing aspect ratios. Lastly, there is this rotating feature. What is it called? Them.

[David]

Refresh.

[Marques]

Spatial reframe.

[David]

Yeah, spatial reframe.

[Marques]

Okay. Spatial reframe is really trippy. So the idea is you took a photo where you actually want to change the place you took the photo from in 3D space. You want to rotate over a little bit or up or down a little bit. And it will use generative fill and like you said, the spatial reconstruction. Because when you looked at a photo and turned it 3D with the vision Pro's tech, it was a pretty convincing, like, 3D reconstruction. So it's generating pixels in between to try to adjust your perspective. Yeah, I would love to test this a lot. I really don't know how good this could possibly be.

[David]

It's pretty good.

[Marques]

It's really impressive when you're just moving around in the preview and it looks like you're literally warping. And like, if someone was sitting in a photo and like looking to the side of the camera and then you just move it over so that you're in their eye line. Suddenly you're making eye contact in a photo where they weren't making eye contact trippy. But it'll do it, and then it'll reconstruct the background, reconstruct the angles of the face, et cetera. And I don't know, that should be interesting.

[David]

The way that the Vision Pro does it and the way that the iPhones now do it is they do Gaussian splatting, which is basically they recreate a 3D scene using Gaussian splats and Then it uses that sort of 3D model to do generative fill on the areas. It's really realistic. It's quite realistic.

[Andrew]

It feels like one of those things that like, you know, you see it and you want to test it and you test the extreme of it and you're going to find all of the issues with it.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

But when I think of it, I think of like when I've taken a photo of like a corner of a building and I was like one degree off.

[Marques]

Oh.

[Andrew]

You know, like it should probably be ultra minor like adjustments where you're just like. I was just like this little tiny angle off of the thing I was trying to frame in with this. And a little tiny tweak can probably. It's almost content. We're filling it in that.

[David]

Which to be fair, like there's in Lightroom and Photoshop, there's tools where you can just auto align and it'll spatially align things anyway.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

So you don't.

[Marques]

It's just not as pretty to like

[David]

see if you can drag it with

[Marques]

your hand, watch it turn someone's head. Which is crazy. They did mention it. When I first saw this, I thought this was just gonna be photos like shot with the latest couple of iPhones. Cause you have more depth information. But they said it's any photo from any camera. I don't know if it means it's better from iPhones or if it's just the same quality. From what they told me that they

[David]

trained most of the image model that does the reconstruction on iPhone photos, but they have other photos that they also trained it on.

[Rufus]

I tried this with a photo I took on my X100 and it was a better result than a photo I

[Marques]

tried on an iPhone. Interesting.

[David]

Interesting.

[Marques]

It might have just been because at a higher resolution, probably was a higher

[Rufus]

resolution, probably was a little sharper. That might have something to do with it.

[David]

Yeah. But they. So you can like, you can use one finger to sort of like move kind of pivot around the object, but if you use two fingers, you can physically move the camera up and down.

[Marques]

So strange.

[David]

Which is very strange.

[Marques]

And then again you can only go a certain amount, but then you can save and then do it again. Go further and go further. And I just feel like I want to take like a picture of someone like blowing out candles and then just go to the back of their head and see all the people in front of them.

[Andrew]

Like the thousand upload project all the time.

[Marques]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Damn. Wait.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[David]

It's a good idea.

[Marques]

This Is gonna be short. Maybe like, just keep rotating. Just see what it reconstructs on the other side.

[Andrew]

Can we 360 a person?

[Marques]

Whoa. Okay. Yeah, we're doing that.

[Andrew]

I want to see the legs also. I think the leg thing is hilarious.

[Marques]

Definitely, we'll do that with the legs.

[Andrew]

With the legs went beyond. Out of nowhere.

[David]

So they changed the camera UI yet again. They now have three little settings at the top, so you can change the format, you can turn flash on and off, and you can turn live photos on and off. And then now they used to have the extra options in the top. Right now it's just more accessible near the shutter button, which is interesting. And now. And we'll get to this later, there's now a Siri mode. So this is basically for visual intelligence, because before, you had to use camera control to access visual intelligence. Now you can just use the Siri mode within the camera app itself.

[Marques]

And you can still use camera control,

[David]

and you can still use camera control to access that. Yeah. And the UI is way better than the. The last UI for camera intel for visual intelligence was like. It was like one button and a little screen. Yeah. Yeah, it was very. With your photo last. Yeah, Very not well thought out. Okay, now Wallet is adding a Create a Pass feature so you can scan physical passes in the real world and create digital versions of them to keep in your Apple Wallet. If they. I believe if they have, like, NFC capability, you can also scan it and it'll become a digital NFC path, which is pretty cool.

[Marques]

That's nice. There's also the. The menu thing or the receipt thing.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

So if you have a receipt, you can take a picture of it with the Siri camera and then it will, like, itemize it and break it all out, and then you can split the bill and then charge everyone with Apple Cash or something.

[David]

You have to use Apple Cash. I. I did try this last night, and it is actually a very cool UI because it semantically, it, like, breaks down each individual item and it's like, who got this item? Who got this item? This is the exact price. And then you put in the percentage of the tip that you put in, and it splits it between everybody. It's. It's a very good ui.

[Ellis]

It is really cool to see that demo and, like, use it every once in a while. But I don't remember the last time I actually did something like that.

[Marques]

I do think this is a tech demo feature.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

People never use it. They always just take a picture and venmo each other. But for the tech demo, it's like, oh, that's cool that that worked.

[Andrew]

It's cool. Yeah. And I guess a more complicated split check of a bunch of people getting all sorts of different levels of.

[Ellis]

Everyone has Apple Cash.

[David]

That's the problem. Apple Cash is easy to connect to your bank account, but not a lot of people use it.

[Andrew]

Well, but doesn't it also split it and just tell you the numbers and then you don't have to pay through it. You can tell everybody this is how much it actually is.

[Marques]

Ooh. This is something I wanted to do in my recap video, but I didn't have enough time to write it all in. But I think it would have been really clever. I wanted to do a Sherlock counter. And that is definitely an app in the App Store. Is like, even splitwise, I'm sure would have something like this where you just take a picture of the receipt and it just breaks it up and tells you how to pay 100% Sherlock. There you go, right there. Here, counter one. Here's one.

[Andrew]

I have another one for you where all of them are probably wrong. Taking pictures to calorie track items. Didn't they throw that in here, too?

[David]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[Andrew]

It's not going to work. It does. You can't tell what people are going to try, what's on this food.

[Marques]

They're going to try.

[David]

Yeah, it's going to be.

[Andrew]

It's just never going to work.

[David]

It's never going to be accurate.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[David]

The reason it won't be accurate is because you just don't know how much oil that. That oil or. It's mostly about the oil, honestly, a lot of times.

[Andrew]

But, like, it could be a handful of almonds. Like, this could be anywhere from four to, like, 10. And, like, who knows? Yeah, it's the.

[Ellis]

Why do you make an example?

[David]

You made almonds.

[Andrew]

I don't know what is never going to work.

[David]

Or a cluttered burrito. A closed burrito, as we talked about last time.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. Okay. Big change. Passwords can now automatically fix themselves if they have compromised or weak credentials.

[Marques]

This is crazy.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

This, to me, was the biggest new feature.

[David]

This is, like, agentic in a way.

[Marques]

This is the most agentic new feature as well.

[David]

One of them. Yeah.

[Marques]

So the way it works is the passwords app, which, for years, it's already been telling you, hey, your passwords are weak, your passwords are compromised. If you have the same password more than one site, it'll tell you this is a weak password. So all of these have Always been flagged before, but people don't often do anything about it. This new passwords app will, if you decide to give it permission to, it will agentically go in to these websites one by one, log in and change your password to a more secure password that it then saves and remembers so that it can log you in in the future. Yeah, so it's so polarizing because I posted about this. It's a good thing because it makes all of your passwords more secure, makes them like 30 characters long and alphanumeric and all this fun stuff.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

But it also means it has to identically go do that and you are now locked in. Not locked in, but much more likely to just keep using the password chain.

[Ellis]

Is there any way to export that?

[Marques]

Yes.

[David]

Yeah, you can.

[Marques]

So you can go through and export and then save to, you know, seven. What is it? One password. I use that. But like that. It's very clever what they've done with that and I hope it works. Could be a Sherlock as well. I mean, it's not fully. I don't know if any other app has done that exact feature where they will agentically go in and change that. But just as far as an agent going and acting on your behalf, I

[David]

think this also requires like that we'll get to the new series stuff later, but it requires the personal context of your email because most of these websites, when you change the password will send you a one time code and then so it needs to know what that one time code is so they can go back to the website, put the

[Ellis]

code in, and unless it's meta AI, then you just tell the AI no, I don't have access to that email and it resets the password.

[Andrew]

Well, I'm thinking because like Megaphone makes us change our password every six months and I've forgotten it every single time. But like that's a. You have to do a captcha every time you do it. So would this be able to go. That feels like an immediate.

[Marques]

I mean all. Okay, every single one of the demos is good if it works, but I have so many questions about what happens if it doesn't work. And that is a good, that is a good example of like what happens if there is a caption.

[Andrew]

It probably just decides the UI can't do this one. You go do it.

[David]

They showed a little UI of like showing all of your passwords and you select the ones that are compromised or weak. And you said, change these for me and over time it'll like light up green if it's changed it successfully.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

So maybe it'll just show the ones that it hasn't been able to change successfully. Yeah, I know that Google has like eight times introduced the feature where it can automatically unsubscribe from emails for you.

[Marques]

Allegedly.

[David]

Yeah, exactly. Because half the time, every time, it doesn't work.

[Ellis]

I specifically tested this like a week ago because I was like, okay, I'm looking at this exact email that I got from this company. I'm clicking on subscribe, and if it shows up again, I'm gonna take note. And it did.

[Andrew]

You know, it's usually because those places then in their unsubscribed list are like, well, you can unsubscribe from sales or reminders or this. And so like, it's probably picking one slow because I went name, Em. Name and shame. Stickly Furniture. I. Yeah, I've done the unsubscribe button in Gmail probably every other day for like the last two weeks, and I'm still getting emails.

[Ellis]

Well, I had a few years ago, I had an idea to do a bonus episode of does the unsubscribe button even work? And basically the answer was very boring because I spoke with the Superhuman CEO, which now got purchased by Grammarly, which changes name to Superhuman.

[Andrew]

Also might get Sherlock's later in the episode.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

But he was telling me that basically because of laws and stuff in different parts of the world, it down there are laws. It comes down to the company that is running it to just do it correctly.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

So it's like not a pr.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Like, it's not a fun answer. It's just like, yeah, they just have to go do it or have something in place to do it.

[David]

You know, I guarantee you that my local, like, my favorite restaurant sends me like 20 emails a week. And I keep hitting on subscribe and they don't do it. And I want to be mad at them, but they are my favorite restaurant.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

So it's difficult.

[Marques]

I have a snail version of this and I'm way off topic, but I have this, like, clean. This clean energy company that like sends me mail. Sends me the same. Please switch to this clean energy source piece of physical mail every couple weeks.

[David]

Damn.

[Marques]

And I have solar on my house. Like, I don't need to do this. Like, please stop asking. And I've tried to get off this list. I've called them, I've sent mail, I've sent emails.

[David]

I've tried.

[Marques]

And I think the last time I tried, they're like, oh, yeah, it could take Six to eight weeks to get you off the list. It's been months. I'm still on the list. I got one today. It's really annoying right now. It's just like, clean energy, something, something. I'll find the name because it'll Clean Energy Corporation.

[Rufus]

I still get a paper pay stub.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Rufus]

Every time I get paid.

[Marques]

Here, we got one today. Awesome.

[David]

It's on my desk right now. Yeah.

[Rufus]

I have tried for a year to

[Marques]

stop this damn Clean choice Energy named and shamed. I got one today.

[David]

That's like with Verizon. I have FiOS. And when you sign up, they start sending you paper mail. And then you can say, I don't want to receive paper mail. And then you receive a paper mail saying, thanks for unsubscribing from the last one.

[Andrew]

At least it's fine.

[Marques]

So many companies do that.

[David]

They say that and then they send you a bunch of brochures anyway.

[Andrew]

I try and say, like, if your crap ends up in my mailbox, I'm never, never using you. Ever. Such a waste.

[David]

Yeah. Yep. All right, back to Apple. Yeah, back to Apple. Anyway, okay, Apple Maps got Gaussian splatting in Apple Maps.

[Marques]

It looks a little better in their demo.

[David]

Higher quality.

[Marques]

Cool.

[Ellis]

Okay. They keep saying Gaussian splatting. Isn't this just generative?

[David]

No, it's.

[Andrew]

They said that.

[David]

No, yeah, it's.

[Rufus]

You can generate a Gaussian splat.

[David]

Well, you can't. Well, not really. You have to take photos from a bunch of angles and then generate it. Yeah, yeah.

[Rufus]

Well, Gaussian splat is just like you could train model on a bunch of Gaussian splats and you could generate them, which is. I'm sure they're doing some of.

[David]

Yeah, but they're using mostly like satellite data and like flyover data. For Maps. Yeah, for. For maps.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. So it looks a little bit better. Uh, they now have paramenopause and menopause tracking, which I know a lot about. Added to Apple Health. New CarPlay features, including video apps in CarPlay now, which I think got added to Android Auto pretty recently.

[Marques]

Yeah, they're called the new Android auto. Has YouTube specific.

[David]

Yeah, YouTube. Is this still called Android Auto or do they change it to Google Drive?

[Marques]

It's still Android Auto.

[David]

Not for long Drive. Yeah, it's going to be Google Drive soon. You can now share one phone number

[Marques]

between two iPhones, one phone number between two. And they're both getting data and voice and everything.

[David]

I don't know about that. They said that the carrier has to support it though.

[Ellis]

Why would you want to do this? I'm confused.

[David]

I. I don't know.

[Marques]

I could see doing the opposite. Putting two different.

[Andrew]

So your open claw can have its own phone.

[David]

Well, you can do two different phone numbers. Yeah, that's just.

[Andrew]

You joke.

[Ellis]

You're very.

[Marques]

What'd you say?

[David]

Wait, what you say?

[Andrew]

So you're. You're open clip clock and have its own phone and call people or. Or take calls for you.

[David]

Jeez, my agent's in the corner. I don't know, someone made a joke that. So you can have your iPhone air for the weekend and your iPhone pro for the weekday.

[Andrew]

Oh, Marque Marques does switch the watches already.

[David]

Hold on, wait a minute. It's actually not terrible. I don't know. Whatever.

[Andrew]

So you can party in the back.

[Marques]

Well, if I'm going to. If I'm going to dub dub, I need the pro max. And then when I go back to regular.

[David]

That's what I'm saying. I mean, I would love that cuz. Cause I love my air.

[Marques]

I might Google that later.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Okay.

[David]

They added independent alarms for independent volume for basically every volume thing on my phone.

[Marques]

God, this is another thing. This is another thing. When you ask iPhone users what's the biggest annoyance with the iPhone? Almost at the top of everyone's list is I just miss alarms sometimes because my alarm volume was zero. Because the last thing I watched, I turned the volume down. It just doesn't work all the time.

[Andrew]

When you wrote this, I thought you meant like individual alarms can have different. You just mean that there's like a separate volume slider for alarms, timers and all that, which Android.

[Marques]

The thing Android's had for a decade.

[Andrew]

I thought this was even further. Like, I want this timer I have set to be this volume.

[David]

But this time there's always been a separate volume for like media and like alarm volume. But alarm volume encompassed alarms, timers and like every other little small thing.

[Marques]

Yeah. Which is insane. Which is. And they finally went and combed through the little things. And I'm glad that this was big enough to make it through that comb.

[David]

Yes, big deal. Big deal. Big deal. This one's really fun. Shortcuts. You can now just describe the shortcut you want in natural language and it'll make it for you good AI, which is very cool. We saw a bunch of demos of this. If you're a shortcuts fiend, this is going to be cool for you.

[Marques]

And it just builds it in the shortcuts editor. So you can edit it after the fact.

[David]

So it builds it all.

[Marques]

You can go in the editor and like change stuff if you want.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

And it'll sync to your Mac and you can also share the shortcut with other people. So pretty cool overhaul Dictation supposedly powered by Gemini powered dictation. So that should correct spelling, punctuation, capitalization. Basically the dictation on iPhone should be way better.

[Rufus]

Is that out right now?

[Marques]

Is that in iOS?

[David]

That's in 27. Yes.

[Marques]

It doesn't.

[Rufus]

It doesn't feel any better.

[Marques]

It's only better on the phones with 12 gigs of RAM. So the most advanced improved on device models are only on iPhone Air and iPhone 7.

[David]

But is dictation in the advanced models

[Marques]

and dictation and one other thing are the. I was told the only two things that are new in that like that super new advanced best on device model.

[David]

Wow.

[Marques]

So if you don't have better dictation it may be because that's one of the things that didn't make it if you don't have 12 gigs of RAM. Strange. Are you on not one of those two phones?

[Rufus]

No, I have a 17 Pro so

[David]

it should be better. That's weird.

[Rufus]

It's not should be. It's not much better.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rufus]

I can't tell but I was up to not. Super.

[David]

Yeah. This is a kind of random one. You can now have subscription bundles in the app store. So if you're a developer and you sell multiple apps, you can do a subscription bundle that comes with a bunch of your apps. You can also partner, do a little partnership with another developer and offer your app plus another developer's app for a bundle.

[Marques]

Bundle price.

[Andrew]

It is a bundle price. The collab.

[Marques]

It's a collab? Yeah, it's a collab. That's cool.

[David]

Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay. A bundle of all the apps that are about to get Sherlocked from Please

[David]

keep us alive bundle. You can now create calendar events with natural language. So you could just go into your calendar and say lunch with at Suba with James at 3pm and it'll add all the little details.

[Marques]

Sherlock counter is now two. That's specifically fantastical. That's like one of the things a lot of these new calendar apps primary feature is that you can add things with natural language. Add a repeating event and it just does it for you. There it is. Sherlock counter number two.

[David]

Find my update. They should have added a long ass time ago and I don't know how they didn't. You can now so they Redesigned the find my UI a little bit. That's fine. But the big thing is it used to be that you could only share your live location for one hour until the end of the day or indefinitely. You can now set custom amounts of time to share your location.

[Ellis]

Nice.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

My one week vacation.

[David]

It is crazy that it took that long.

[Marques]

Cool.

[David]

You can now say save any video frame as a photo. So if you stop in any video you can just hit export as photo. That's something Android has had forever. So it's not made but it's nice. Something that's nice. Shared albums in Apple Photos now support full resolution photos. I did not even realize they didn't before. And Android and Windows users can also contribute photos now, could they really?

[Andrew]

Not before.

[David]

Apparently not.

[Andrew]

So funny.

[David]

We just view it.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I love shared albums. Ever since kids and having like nieces and nephews. Now every single one of my nieces or nephews or children has a shared album with all the grandparents, all the uncles.

[Ellis]

I wonder who's going to adopt this because same thing in my family. But we all use Google Photos even it's like yeah, Google Photos is the default. So I guess now they have this, which is nice.

[Andrew]

But.

[David]

Yeah, but you know, I don't know. Yeah. You can now also set photo albums to expire after a certain period of time. I wish you could just do this with group chats because I don't freaking want to be in another group chat for indefinitely.

[Andrew]

Expire.

[Marques]

Name and shame.

[David]

Expire. Yeah, well, every time I make a temporary group chat I name it going to destroy after event. Temporary.

[Marques]

Nice.

[David]

And then the three people.

[Marques]

If you destroy it on your phone. Doesn't destroy on everyone's phone. No.

[Rufus]

Right?

[David]

Probably not.

[Marques]

You just leave it. Oh, you leave it.

[David]

You leave it.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Smart. Okay. The dual camera feature where you can record what is in front of you as well as your face is now available in FaceTime. I didn't realize this wasn't true before and it makes a lot of sense. So before in FaceTime you had to just switch between your face and the thing that you were looking at, which was stupid. And it's very nice that you can actually, you know, do both at the same time now. I like that when you pay with things online with Apple Pay, there is a much better UI now to select the card that you're using previously and I've had to do this a million times. You it's so complicated to like pick the right card because you have to scroll down to the bottom menu and then Click, like, use different card. Even though it was just a confusing UI before. And they made it way better. So that's cool. They synced the step counts across the health and fitness apps. This was not synced before. It was annoying.

[Marques]

So little things.

[David]

Yeah. Health and fitness. Like, I think it was because, like, your Apple watch and your phone, like, recorded different step count amounts and they would get out of sync, and then if you opened the fitness app, it would show a different amount of steps than the health app. Sometimes, like, they were tracking steps differently, which is really dumb. So this is very much a snow leopard feature. Okay. This one's kind of cool. Call context. So this is like magic cue on the pixel. Yeah. When you call, like, an airline, it'll know that you're calling the airline. So it'll look through your email and pull up your confirmation number and put it on the screen.

[Marques]

This one is cool if it works. I can see lots of ways that it wouldn't work.

[David]

Yes.

[Andrew]

They also, at the end of it, if I remember correctly, had this weird way of saying, like, we're listening for the context, but we're not listening to the phone call. Yeah, it was like a very. Like, we're listening, but we're not listening. We're not listening. I promise. We're not listening.

[Marques]

It seems like they have to get the context somehow. And if you are calling the airline and you have a recent reservation from that airline, then that may be enough context for them to search.

[Andrew]

Usually have, like, seven reservations, though.

[Marques]

That's why I think it would be tough. It might not work every time.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. Might give you an old reservation number. So that was most of the major stuff with just the iPhone. Okay. Yeah. Next we got the Mac, and we finally got the new name for the Mac, and it is Golden Gate.

[Marques]

Is that a state park? It is.

[David]

Right.

[Andrew]

Another obscure reference.

[Marques]

What the hell is a Golden Gate?

[David]

It's not a state park.

[Marques]

It's typically been.

[Andrew]

I think it is.

[Marques]

So we had all the cats. Leopards. No leopard.

[Ellis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marques]

Tiger. Then we had places in California, but typically there were state parks.

[David]

There's Golden Gate Canyon State Park. But it's about the bridge, though.

[Andrew]

It's the bridge.

[Marques]

The other ones now just landmarks. So we've broken out of state.

[David]

I guess the other ones were state parks because it was Yosemite. Well, that was national. Yosemite is a national park. Joshua Tree is a national park. National park. Big Sur is not a national park. That's a state park.

[Rufus]

But we never got Joshua Tree.

[David]

Yeah, we did no, we didn't.

[Marques]

No, we didn't.

[David]

No, we didn't. We didn't do that yet.

[Andrew]

No.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Andrew]

Damn, that would have been a good one, dude.

[David]

All the Apple people getting high on ayahuasca and Joshua Tree and they didn't even use it as a name for Michael.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's how they made that animation with Craig.

[David]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Andrew]

And the hippie bus.

[Marques]

Yeah, the hippie bus.

[Andrew]

That was actually pretty fun.

[Marques]

They lean into that.

[Andrew]

That was a good one. I'll give them a lot of credit for that.

[David]

I asked them straight up why they call it the crack marketing team and they wouldn't give me an answer.

[Marques]

I think that's just a Craig joke that he is just keeping alive by himself. That's my theory is he gets on stage and he's like, are you going to say it again? He's like, yeah, all right, we're using it.

[David]

They just kept saying, we like to have fun. So that was interesting.

[Andrew]

Watch this wrap.

[David]

Anyway, macOS Goldengate. Now, something we should say is that a lot of the features that came to the iPhone come to every other Apple platform.

[Marques]

Yeah. So faster app opening, transparency slider, faster airdrop, all the stuff we were talking about also here.

[David]

Yeah. So these are gonna be truncated corner radii. Corner radii.

[Andrew]

That's the name of this episode.

[David]

Ma. Corner radi.

[Marques]

There's a couple cool things in Safari, I think, that they did here. Yeah, totally. So one of them was you can ask it similar to building a Siri shortcut. You can ask it to build an extension, a Safari extension to do a very specific thing.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

And I got a demo of this and I watched and still you basically, in natural language, can type out or write out what you want it to do and it'll build that extension. If it sees an extension that is similar to what you're asking for, it will actually surface them.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So not a full on Sherlock of every single extension, but it will still show you extensions.

[Andrew]

Could you say, I don't want to use that one though? Keep making it.

[David]

Totally you can.

[Marques]

Yes.

[Andrew]

So then now it Sherlocks. It went from not Sherlocking to Sherlocking, literally.

[David]

It's more like, oh, something already exists that you could use.

[Marques]

Yeah, yeah. If it's just like, make me an extension to save bookmarks and rate recipes, it's like, well, okay, that exists. Like that's a thing you can get here and it'll actually do the nice thing and show you that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

But if you want to keep Going, yeah, it'll make you an extension from scratch.

[Andrew]

Build an extension to scroll past Google AI Overview every time I start my

[Ellis]

work at my word.

[Marques]

That'd be savvy.

[Ellis]

That is really cool though, because I feel like a lot of my developer friends that will have an idea to build something will want to make a Chrome extension. Like that is where their brain goes first. There's a thriving developer community for Chrome extensions, not so much for Safari extensions. So this could be like a way to get people back to building.

[David]

And I was going to say about this, like, Apple is very good at taking things that people are doing outside of Apple ecosystem. And then instead of being like, we have a platform now that you can Vibe code whatever you want. They're like in Safari now. Safari supports Vibe coding of Safari extensions. Yeah. Instead of having like a nebulous terminal where you're like, code me a Chrome extension. You just say, this is what I want to be able to do in my browser. And then it does it. Yeah. Which I think is better for most people probably.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[Marques]

There's a couple other smart things there. It will, if you want it to use AI to organize your tabs into tab groups based on topics. So if you have like, what Does Harper have 75 tabs open at any point? You can just kind of group them together into things that are related to each other. And then as you keep browsing, it'll keep sorting.

[David]

They kind of ripped that from dia. Not going to lie.

[Marques]

There's a lot of browsers that do this. Now I don't know if I call that a full on Sherlock, but that is definitely taken from other browsers.

[Ellis]

Okay, wait, if you have 75 tabs open and it's auto sorting them into tab groups.

[Marques]

Yes.

[Ellis]

What if there's something that could be split between two tab groups? So how do I find that as the user?

[Marques]

Good question.

[David]

Or not?

[Andrew]

Sure.

[David]

Yeah. I think I asked someone like that, like if I have two. Because I asked them like, how is it deciding how to group them? And I was like, if I. If there's a. If there's two Google Docs documents open and the contents of one Google Docs is about cats and then I have a pet store page open, is it going to group the Google Doc with the pet store or is it going to group the Google Doc with another Google Doc?

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

And they didn't really have an answer for me.

[Andrew]

That's funny because it's like, are you just matching favicons or are you actually like reading the content of the page

[Ellis]

or like you're looking up cats and you're also looking up Japan and then you start looking up cats in Japan.

[David]

Right.

[Ellis]

Where does it go?

[Marques]

I don't know. Do they just go, all right, put them all back together? Yeah.

[Andrew]

It would be cool if the tab group had a reasoning. If you, like, right click.

[David]

If it gave you a reason. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Of like, why it shows that.

[Marques]

Because it would be funny somewhere in the code.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. Somewhere in the thinking.

[Marques]

I don't know, India. It's interesting because when I have tab groups, I don't make tab groups, but when I right click and like open a new tab, a bunch of stuff that creates a tab group because it knows I'm doing this tree of things and then it keeps them together. So that's. I imagine there'll be animations that at least make it clear what is happening while it's happening.

[David]

Yeah. So that's cool. Safari is also adding an ability to monitor a web page for. If it changes. So this, the common use case of this is obviously like, concert ticket, but you can only give it. You can only have it checked once a day, which means you definitely cannot use it for scalping.

[Marques]

Well, as.

[David]

And you have to tell it when to check.

[Andrew]

I believe there was a different one, though, that was like, using context, it could see. I guess it's kind of the same just because we're talking about concert tickets, but it was like, there's a lottery for this concert and it's like. I think they took a screenshot of it and said, like, remind me when this lottery is opening. Which was kind of cool and felt like a vast difference between IO where they're like, I want to go to this concert. Do everything for me. Yeah, series. Like, I'll remind you when you can pay for it yourself.

[David]

Yeah. And it's sort of just a. It's more of a little reminder tool than it is an agentic. Like, we're going to completely get you the concert ticket. Yeah, yeah. So that might. That might Sherlock something, to be honest, but it's not. Probably not as powerful as some other extensions are. So maybe it's not quite sure. Locked. The other major thing that they made a big deal about, the sidebars are now stretching to the screen edge huge. So, yeah, if you have like the finder window open or something, it's basically just making better. It's taking more advantage of the screen real estate.

[Marques]

Better use of space.

[David]

Better use of space on, like the HTC One eleven.

[Marques]

If you know.

[David]

You know, if you know you know. Okay. And then. Oh, yeah. The one big thing that they didn't ask about that they didn't really mention, but I asked if there was anything that they didn't really mention. They said macOS is now much better at remembering the orientation of the screens you have plugged in. Oh, that.

[Rufus]

I.

[Andrew]

This is like the biggest.

[David]

This is actually huge.

[Andrew]

They could have only said that and I would have stood up in class.

[Marques]

This is. This is big. As a person who recently, like very recently switched to being a laptop person who's plugging into multiple sets of monitors.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

I am frequently annoyed by the jumbling of monitor windows. That happens when I unplug the monitor and replug it back in. And they never go back to where they're supposed to.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Allegedly. They're going to go back to where they're supposed to.

[David]

Allegedly. I think. I think Windows announced that they had this like quite a while ago. So it's nice to see this on Mac. But they said it'll know if you're plugged into one screen, two screens, three screens, and then it'll. It'll just automatically, you know, it'll set it up, which is cool. IPadOS27 gets everything that the iPhone got. There are some other strange improvements, like transferring files from an external drive to an iPad and vice versa is now five times faster than it was before. Wow. I'm not really sure what the roadblock was there previously.

[Marques]

Only the Thunderbolt ones or all of them. I.

[David]

It says up to just, just like the airdrop.

[Marques]

Okay.

[David]

So who knows?

[Marques]

Five times.

[David]

Yeah. Other than that, it basically gets all the same improvements as the iPhone and then you also get sort of the Safari benefits that you're getting from the back. Apple Watch, they didn't change a lot here. We're going to know as well. Like they didn't even have like an Apple Watch section really in the keynote and same with tvos and also Home and Vision Pro.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Because no one pro, they showed a couple of.

[Andrew]

Shut up things.

[Ellis]

They showed us floating Siri bar that three people are going to use.

[Andrew]

I will have been finder guy.

[David]

I am very excited about the Vision Pro. We'll get there. Apple Watch, they. They change. They have less like dynamic app view now where when you press the digital crown, it shows your six most used apps first instead of just bringing up all of the apps and then you can click into all of the apps after. That's basically the only change.

[Marques]

There it is. Watchos27.

[David]

Watchos27 there you've seen it apparently there's a better workout buddy that has upgrades and better sleep tracking. You get the better wifi connectivity, faster music playback. If you, if you click the music playback on the watch and it's playing from your phone, it'll apparently happen faster because the connection is better. There's better battery efficiency. However, this was a big deal. People were very upset about this. They dropped support for a lot of Apple watches on this. On this one. So on the keynote they said, it's only supported by Apple Watch Series 9 or Series 10 and above, I think, which everyone was like, the series 10 just came out.

[Marques]

That's the last two generations.

[David]

Yeah, last two generations.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[David]

But then someone from Apple said, we made a mistake on the keynote. It's actually Series nine and above, which is still only the last three generations.

[Andrew]

And I checked online and they. It does say that now it at least says Series nine. Because I was like, this is something that you can tell us is wrong. But until it's showing up somewhere and it is changed.

[David]

Yeah. It's still kind of surprising that, you know, Apple Watch Ultra 1 does not have support for WatchOS 27, which is kind of crazy. The SE2. Yeah. Very weird. Okay. Vision Pro. Yeah, this was the David update.

[Ellis]

There it is.

[David]

No, this was the David update.

[Marques]

Vision OS 27.

[David]

Vision OS 27, baby.

[Marques]

Okay, yeah, I did mention. Yeah, I thought as soon as they announced this, I was like, oh, Dave is going to do that.

[David]

Yes, I am.

[Marques]

So what are you going to do on the Vision Pro, Dave?

[David]

The major change in Vision Pro, besides all the, you know, WI fi speed, whatever. Who cares about WI fi speed? I don't care about you guys. Remember Vision Pro, you can get rid of the WI Fi. I'm still excited about this feature. So now on Vision Pro there is a feature where there was always a feature where you could spatialize photos. Right now you can spatialize panoramas. That's not something they had access to before. And. And in the Vision Pro there's this thing called environments and they had them built into the Vision Pro where you could like turn the digital crown and you would slowly blend into these beautiful worlds that were hand picked by Apple. They were hand scanned by Apple with these special cameras. No, no, no, no, no. You can use your own panoramas as environments now.

[Marques]

So to be clear, before on the Vision Pro, I looked it up, there was exactly six environments.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So when you like shut down the, the transparency and like go into one of those worlds, you could either be in Yosemite Mount Hood, this Is where? Joshua, Maui, Joshua Tree, White Sands and the moon. That's it.

[Andrew]

All California.

[David]

The moon is also California.

[Marques]

And the moon.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[Marques]

California.

[David]

Well, the sound stage is on my website. I offer 60 different environments. So. Apple. Yeah, Apple. If you want to buy them from me, you can.

[Andrew]

Apple was like, how do we get waveform to talk about Vision Pro?

[David]

That's probably what happened.

[Andrew]

That was exactly why they added that

[Marques]

and they nailed that.

[David]

They also couldn't really make a ton of updates to Vision Pro because the guy that used to head up the Vision Pro is now the head of Siri. And so that's why Vision Pro is kind of like spiraling at the moment.

[Marques]

King of Nevermind. Things that people don't use very much.

[David]

But there is, like, there is. We're going to talk about Siri in a bit. But there is a floating Siri orb now that you can interact with that's just always there.

[Ellis]

This is my favorite thing they announced, period, in the floating.

[Marques]

The floating cereal.

[Ellis]

Floating cereal.

[Marques]

And the fact that you can move it around. Yep.

[Andrew]

It should have been Finder Guy.

[Ellis]

It should have been, but it's not going to be.

[Andrew]

And I'm imagine him like, popping.

[David]

But the cool thing about this, you

[Ellis]

don't want another clippy, you know, like.

[Andrew]

No, that's exactly what I want.

[Marques]

He does want another clippy.

[David]

You know the Palantir orb in Lord of the Rings? That. Not Palantir, the missile company.

[Ellis]

The same thing. Rings. Evil guy.

[David]

Yeah. Do you know the Palantir orb in Lord of the Rings?

[Andrew]

No.

[David]

Okay. Well, it's the thing that. That they can look into that basically teleports you to a different place and you can look around. That's why they call it Palantir, because it's like we're spying on everyone on the planet. And I wish I was joking. But anyway, that's basically what the Siri orb looks like. You look at it and then suddenly you have magic access.

[Ellis]

I just want my digital assistant to be that orb. I think that is genius. Yeah, put it everywhere.

[David]

Other interesting things about Vision Pro, you can now look at things in your real environment and just ask Siri about them. Y. Yeah.

[Marques]

They circled search, circle search.

[David]

But in the real world. Yeah. And. And there's new. There's a new app kit for Safari so that you can make 3D environments inside of Safari. So if you're in Safari and Vision Pro, you can tap a little thing and then it envelopes you in the entire environment.

[Marques]

They also added Iceland. Yeah.

[Rufus]

We can take my Iceland you know,

[David]

I also offer Iceland. I also offer Iceland environments. Just so you know, so. And they're probably better.

[Marques]

Does Google.

[Andrew]

They're the Apple lawyers on that one.

[Marques]

Iceland.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, Iceland. Okay. Okay. We're basically done with the hardware because TVOS didn't really get upgraded. The HomePod they just forgot existed, I think because it cannot run any of the Siri stuff because it just doesn't have any ram.

[Marques]

Isn't that crazy? The Siri box doesn't do the new Siri. And everyone who's bought a HomePod, by the way, all the, all the $400 HomePods out there and the HomePod minis and all those there are not gonna get the new Siri. So everyone who's sort of bought into like the people who are most likely to accidentally use Siri once in a while are not gonna see these improvements.

[Ellis]

Does the iPhone 16 not even have the new Siri?

[Marques]

No, they'll have the new Siri just won't have the most advanced on device models, which is like the couple of small things like the notation or dictation. But yeah, the Siri box doesn't get better Siri.

[David]

To be fair, the original home came out in 2018, so they were not thinking about this.

[Marques]

It's still like I bought my Google home assistant in like 2018 or whatever and that has a new assistant that just got updated this year.

[David]

But that's all cloud based, whereas Apple is like we're taking your personal context from your local stuff.

[Marques]

That's true.

[David]

Yeah. So yeah, one thing as well we didn't notice, we didn't know earlier is that on the iPhone, like when you update there's now this persistent notification in your settings that's just like indexing in progress.

[Marques]

Yeah. It's a big deal. And we'll talk about Siri. So we might get to this in the next section. But this is a big part of what makes Siri the new Siri.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Is it's going to have way more personal context. It will index all of your stuff. It may take some time to do that, but when it's done, it'll be worth it.

[David]

Yeah. There's a few small last minute things. AirPods now have customizable EQ.

[Marques]

Oh, thank God.

[Andrew]

That has Rufus cheered out loud during that.

[Marques]

Finally.

[Rufus]

It's, it's years over date.

[Marques]

I can't believe it took this long.

[Rufus]

Yeah, no, this is. Should be, this should have been a feature that came with them like in AirPods one ten years ago.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

And it's, it's ridiculous that it hasn't had it forever. And it's a little disappointing that it's only three bands because.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's $3,000.

[Marques]

No.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[Marques]

It's so expensive.

[David]

What is.

[Marques]

It only. Is it just high, medium, low. That's it. That was.

[Rufus]

Yep.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

You have high, high, high, end, mid.

[Marques]

I'll take what we can get. I'll take it.

[Ellis]

I have a question about this.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Because isn't the whole point of AirPods Pro and AirPods and stuff that it has the adaptive EQ that will, like, adjust to your ears and hearing? So why even have.

[Marques]

So. Yes. And that was basically their argument the entire time. And I think if you asked if Ellis was here, he'd be fuming about how things don't sound like other things. I can feel it. But like, yes, Apple's AirPods are computers in your ears, and they are constantly adapting to sounding differently all the time based on your environment and based on what's playing. And so the EQ theoretically, is also not like other EQs. It will generally. It'll generally affect what you're listening to, but not in a precise scientific way. I still think that's fine. I'm glad to have the customization. It's about time. Every time I review earbuds, I always talk about how they sound out the box. But also, this kind of doesn't matter that much because you can make them sound the way they want to. But I've never been able to say that about AirPods. Now I can.

[David]

That's true. I hope it's for all AirPods. Some people think that the AirPods Pro 2 sound better than the AirPods Pro 3.

[Marques]

Exactly one of them. And that was a balance thing. And ideally, this is what you can use to dial that bass back a little bit and actually make it sound.

[Andrew]

You can have your AirPods 2 again.

[Rufus]

I have a much. I have a much more granular critique that I will spare our dear viewers.

[David]

Take it. But no, I want to hear it.

[Rufus]

You want to hear it?

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Speedrun.

[Rufus]

So when I listen to noises on my AirPods Pro 3, which I did buy and I still have, they're sitting on my desk in case they ever get firmware updated. When I type on a keyboard, I have this little, like, resonance in, like, somewhere between 600 and 2,000 hertz. That's like, every time I'm typing, it feels a little thocky. And I just don't really like that. It's just annoying. Every time I get in a car and I close the door. It sounds like a bomb goes off.

[Marques]

That's actually very common.

[Rufus]

Yeah, Pro threes do that all over the place. The Pro two's never did it. I don't know what changed. Um, and sometimes I feel like the, the. The noise canceling is so. It's really good but it's so powerful that I'm like. I'm just alienated from my environment. It's just uncomfortable and I don't like it. And just overall the sound of the Pro 2S IS. It feels a little more balanced. I feel like the Pro 3s have like a sharp high end like at the high mid range can get sharper. But that's a three band. EQ isn't going to solve that. And I just still use my Pro 2s even though I have three on my desk. I have the Pro 3s on my desk and I only ever use the Pro 2s because they just like are the ones that I don't hate. I also won't be using the EQ with them them because I am so used to the way the Pro 2 sound.

[David]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

I use them to listen to so much material that's like how I check everything I ever mix. I'm not changing that for anything. Like that is my. I know what that sounds like. Really well, I'm not.

[David]

I've heard from a few people that the Pro 2 sound better than the Pro 3. And I. I'll just trust you guys because I'm not the audio.

[Ellis]

Rufus, how do you feel about frequency response charts?

[Rufus]

I.

[Andrew]

You know, cut it off.

[Rufus]

I don't have too much to say about that.

[Andrew]

That good.

[Marques]

And that is a good place to take a quick break.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Cuz we got plenty more to talk about with Siri and also we have a dad here so we can talk about parental controls. Cuz I want. I want thoughts. But before we do that trivia,

[Ellis]

I'm going to add this in post, but were you paying attention?

[Marques]

Of course I was paying attention.

[Ellis]

Of course you were. So you know that in the Siri AI section a notification popped up that said the Golden Gate Bridge is painted in a color officially known as. Oh what?

[Marques]

Oh, I did see that. Oh what?

[Andrew]

I remember the obvious color part. I don't remember the specific adjective.

[Marques]

I learned that while I watched it.

[David]

Okay.

[Marques]

Yeah, I'm writing this down.

[Andrew]

I was surprised by it. It's not what I expected.

[David]

What you think it's like mermaid tail or something? They would.

[Marques]

Dang. You know what's funny? Cause when you do the. Were you paying Attention clips. Typically I'm a mix of paying attention, I'm paying close attention sometimes, but I'm also live tweeting and I'm also taking pictures. And so a lot of times I'll see something, I'll go, wow, that's really interesting. And I'll take a picture and I'll write it in my notes and I'll live tweet it and then I'll look up and people are applauding and I

[Andrew]

definitely just missed something.

[Marques]

I missed something for sure. Yeah. So. All right. I'm glad I got that one.

[David]

Yeah. Okay. Yes. Well, we'll get back to daddy after the break. Yeah.

[Marques]

See you soon. Should we keep that?

[Andrew]

If you want.

[David]

I don't know.

[Marques]

All right, let's keep that.

[David]

I'm talking about Andrew, by the way.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Marques]

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[Marques]

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[Andrew]

All right, we're back. More dub Dub something. I was pretty. Even though this is, you know, my kids are not old enough to really be doing parental controls. Lane does not have an iPhone. I'm keeping her on an Android right now. But so there's.

[David]

How old is he?

[Andrew]

A bunch of new parental controls, which I think, first of all, they did all of this because next they're going to talk about AI. So they wanted to be like, look at us, we're safe, we're private, applaud us. Then we're going to talk about AI, which you're way more skeptical about. And two, just cuz these are important and so many more kids have phones and and ultimately with all the announcements they did in this, I think the biggest thing they did was the redesign of setting up child accounts, which is like just a much easier setup process to be able to include all of these new restrictions and screen time and everything. So they added a new child's account which one thing they did was if you have a regular account already on one of, for one of your kids, you can convert those accounts back to this new children's account. There's a new setup assistant that I just mentioned. Some of them are like pre made groups. One was just called like Essentials Only which has like FaceTime, phone messages, maps and settings. Like those are the only apps who are allowed. And then one thing they also announced in that is being able to gradually allow apps after you already do the setup process with the phones you're setting up, which is cool. One of the ways that can happen is, is whether it's through the app store or I guess apps on your phones, kids can request to be able to use apps or download apps with their parents. So like even in this spot right now we've had parental controls on computers and phones and everything. They're just trickier to set up. This is like a much more granular practice of it. So you can start it off totally locked down. You know, like I, I, I got my first smartphone or sorry, my first phone when I was in seventh grade because. Yes. And it was because I started playing sports and there was a kid in our school who got or a different school that got left behind at a school and the parents couldn't find them. So my mom was like, you need a way to contact me? Yeah, we're gonna do this. Even though you're probably too young, it

[Ellis]

is still traumatized because you started playing sports.

[Andrew]

I have no, he's gone. Maybe listening out there somewhere.

[David]

Somewhere.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but so like lock them down. You can call me in an emergency. That's really all you should be able to do first. Okay, now you're showing you're more responsible. You can open up this or that. So I think that's a cool way of doing it. There's also the browser website request, so you can just request to visit different websites depending on how locked down you are.

[David]

Polymarket if you're a parent and get

[Andrew]

that call she requested.

[Marques]

That's hilarious.

[Andrew]

So I really like that idea of kids being asking for approval. They also have a new screen time redesign which does a bunch of different things. It. It lists groups or apps in like, different categories, and you can adjust allowances based on the categories or based on times of day, which is awesome because you can really limit screen time during school hours.

[Marques]

Yeah, exactly.

[Andrew]

Which pretty specifically.

[Marques]

Yeah, like, you can request. Like, you can use apps out of school hours more freely. But if you're in school, you better not be on Instagram, bro.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Or really on your phone at all. Yeah, sure.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And so. And then I do think it has inside the settings a way to adjust allowances, kind of like on the fly. So I'm sure whether your kid was bad or good, you can then change allowances based on that. Like, oh, you did great on your test. You can have 30 more minutes of YouTube to night. Like, that's probably a pretty cool way of.

[Marques]

That would be huge for me.

[David]

30 more minutes of gal, baby.

[Ellis]

Is that going to be your parenting style?

[Andrew]

Mine? She's never going to have a phone.

[David]

Really.

[Andrew]

No, she'll have a phone for sure.

[David]

But like, just thinking about humane AI Pen because you can't do anything.

[Marques]

I think straight to smart glasses is a move.

[Andrew]

Yeah, straight to smart glasses.

[Marques]

Straight to AI glasses.

[Rufus]

Well, the glasses will be the. The paradigm by the time she's old

[Marques]

enough to make sure.

[Andrew]

I do think about it all the time. If like, like the I got away with as a kid.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And how my kids will not be able to get away with anything. I will know pretty much everything that

[Marques]

happens, what we think. But it's because their new generation will be getting away with different stuff.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, new generations don't have a dad who's on a tech podcast that knows all the. That I can do, so they're screwed. Sorry, guys.

[Rufus]

Do you know what your kids are doing in the metaverse?

[Andrew]

They won't be in the metaverse.

[Rufus]

How do you know? How will you know?

[Andrew]

Because the metaverse already is given up on by my meta.

[David]

Yeah, but the ner. But they're going to be a neural link, you know, they're going to be trading on. Yeah.

[Rufus]

I don't know what my thinking about.

[David]

No.

[Andrew]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[David]

But the computer does. Elon Musk does.

[Andrew]

One question I had for you guys

[David]

who had no kids, went through 31 years old, unmarried.

[Andrew]

I mean, that's childless tech, man. So they're doing a thing where you can also Approve new contacts in apps they just called it were facetime messages. Phone are pretty obvious. Do you know if it extends into other apps? Because the context that I would be the most worried about are Roblox are WhatsApp are a little more onliney things and I don't know if they even would be able to do that. But they first just said contacts and apps and I was like in the online video game world that's where the predators are, that's where I want my kids requesting.

[Marques]

I do think that is for a long time been the challenge of a lot of these tools is you can restrict which apps they do or don't have access to. But then once you go into those apps, the content in the apps is kind of like if you just give them YouTube. YouTube is all of the stuff on YouTube. So I think that's more of like a high level control of like once they're in that app, it's everything that comes with that app.

[David]

Remember during the Epic and Google trial they had like a three day long disposition on what a game is. So I don't think, yeah, it probably

[Andrew]

won't but that would be something.

[Ellis]

I mean they did add the like age API thing that developers could implement. So that's like maybe one indicator of how they're looking at doing this kind of stuff.

[Andrew]

It all is pretty cool. I like how granular it is and I just really think the most important thing here is how easy it is to set up for parents so parents will just actually use it.

[David]

And Apple launched a dedicated website for parents to actually learn how to use this, which is helpful. Again, I think that these features are like super important. I also think that most parents don't know they exist. So any way that Apple can get out, even Google, Apple, whoever's making these parental control features like to bring awareness to these things. I think that's very, very important. They should have a set up.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

But they will say like when you do set up an iPhone there is a I'm setting this up for someone else. And then it asks is it a kid? And then I think they probably give you some sort of setup flow for

[Marques]

like parental controls and their age and all that.

[David]

Yeah. So that's great.

[Marques]

I was in my briefing for this with a bunch of parents and they loved this part of the briefing.

[Andrew]

I'm so happy I don't have to deal with it yet. I've got a few years.

[Marques]

But yeah, there were people, I guess most of them were actively trying to do some sort of like parental Controls with the existing tools and the requests that they had were basically all solved by these new sets of tools. So that was cool.

[Andrew]

I'm just imagining me with my phone up and being like, lane, clean up your toys. And I have this slider for like YouTube allowance, like right here. She's watching it tick down. She's like not doing what I wanted.

[David]

Yeah, no Roblox for you.

[Marques]

My other read on this, which was, I don't know if this is just the way I think about tech companies. It's just like, yeah, get your kid an iPhone.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Because you have all these tools and be super great. And also when the kid gets used to the iPhone super, super early, they are much more likely to continue to buy iPhones as they grow up.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

And we know the story of, yeah, we know the story of the iPhone in the US is like kids just want iPhones. So yeah, now you have a good reason to get them.

[David]

Get your mom an iPhone. Yeah, get your kid an iPhone.

[Marques]

So that's it.

[David]

Biggest, baddest, most anticipated two year wait of all time. Bigger than Avengers Endgame. It's Siri and Siri AI, which is just Siri with another name.

[Marques]

So the new Siri we back. Okay.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

At a high level.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

I feel that the new Siri is not that crazy. It is about what we expected as far as capabilities anyway. The thing that Apple always does when they introduce a new thing, especially if it's in a new product category, is they make it the thing that works with the iPhone and the rest of the ecosystem really well. So you have other AI tools, especially large language models that you can use. You've been able to get Gemini on your iPhone and Claude and chatgpt. What is the thing about Siri that would make you even try to use it when you already have those things? Well, it's the one that can plug deeply into your personal context. And the stuff that's on your iPhone. Okay, great. What does that mean? That means it can read your imessages, it can look at your calendar, it can see things that were in your group chats, in your notes, in your email, because it's on your phone and it can actually search through that stuff. It's indexed very, very specifically and can even take some actions on your behalf, mostly just by digging into apps. It can send messages for you, it can add calendar events, reminders, notes, all using those first party Apple apps. My immediate question, seeing all that stuff was, well, what if I don't use all those Apple apps? Right? Obviously you can use imessage. But what if I use WhatsApp? What if I use Google Calendar? What if I use sp? What if I use a different podcast app? Is this stuff gonna work? Anyway, the idea is if you have a specific app that you want it to use for request, like if I have, say, Pocket Cast that I want it to open podcasts with. If I ever go, hey, Siri, which sorry for dragging all of your Sirius. If I ever say that and go, what is that podcast that Kevin recommended a week ago? Can you play that? It'll go search through your imessage, find the podcast and play it by default.

[Ellis]

And it'll just play waveform.

[David]

If it's a supported app, it'll play

[Marques]

by default in Apple Podcasts. But if I ask for it to play in Pocket Casts and the developer has enabled that, then it should work.

[David]

You can go into the default apps section and there are default app for email messaging, calling, call filtering, browser translation, passwords.

[Marques]

But that's for clicks, not for Siri.

[David]

I think Siri will access these as well.

[Marques]

Really?

[David]

So if I say, let's see, let's try this because I just changed my default email app to Gmail.

[Marques]

Email. Okay.

[David]

Hey, Siri, send an email to Adam Alina telling him he needs to pick me up. Oh, it just died.

[Marques]

Okay, let's try it again. It's a bug.

[David]

Let's try it again.

[Marques]

It's beta software.

[David]

Send an email to Adam Molina telling him to pick me up milk after work.

[Ellis]

Got you, fam.

[David]

All right. Yeah, it didn't do Gmail, but it did say pick up milk after work. Sent for my iPhone.

[Marques]

And it did Apple Mail.

[David]

It did Apple.

[Marques]

Okay, so that's my suspicion. So we'll see how that works. And we'll see.

[David]

Wait, let me ask.

[Andrew]

Ask.

[Marques]

Well, it composed it and then you can.

[David]

Let me ask. Let me ask to the dude. Gmail.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[David]

Hey, Siri, send an email with Gmail telling Adam Molina to pick me up.

[Andrew]

Milk after work is obviously not as quick outside of its own act.

[David]

Yeah, that's true.

[Andrew]

Didn't. Well, while that's loading, wasn't there something that in order to not set off anyone's series during the event that they like broadcast test, allegedly they cut certain

[Marques]

frequencies that I guess were in the S and whatever other letter made it easy to identify the words.

[Ellis]

I want to try it out.

[David]

Yeah, this beta software is really still loading time.

[Andrew]

I think the Siri loading icon, which is like six dots spinning around, should have been the beach ball

[Ad]

to send the email. What Is it?

[David]

Beep it out.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[David]

Adam molina.com it still opened Apple Mail after all. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't. Yeah, you can't do it.

[Andrew]

So.

[David]

Not right now.

[Marques]

As an iPhone user, like many others who use things like Google Calendar and on Apple Calendar who use things like Ticktick and not Apple reminders, et cetera, et cetera, I wonder how much of this stuff will work or be feasible to use.

[David]

I'm now sad because. Yeah, that kind of. Yeah, because Google Maps. I use Google Maps. I use Gmail. I use Pocket Cast. Yeah. I don't want to use only Apple apps.

[Marques]

There's lots of developers at that keynote that make alternatives to Apple's apps.

[David]

Yes.

[Ellis]

But I would imagine they would still have to implement this. Right. Like not all of these features have been built into Gmail yet, you know?

[Marques]

Yeah, true. Maybe there are updates to these apps coming that will support and then this. This will work flawlessly technically.

[David]

Yeah. I think Apple basically said that the developers have to support. It wasn't app clips, it was app intense.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Which is a thing that they've had for a while now. But apparently Google has just not really supported them in a lot of Google apps because they have that little micro war which is really annoying even if they both pay each other like a billion dollars financing.

[Marques]

The other thing is how much of it is going to be on the device? Because I know imessage. It knows all my imessages. Okay, but. But what about my Google Calendar? That's not all on my phone.

[David]

It's kind of nebulous. They did go into detail about the different models and how much they access the cloud versus how much they happen on device. They didn't say what apps can do on device versus what can't. I know that there was a rumor going around that even setting a timer would hit the private cloud compute server. But I asked someone at Apple about this and they were like, like it'll get worked out. The things that can happen on the iPhone should just happen on the iPhone without having to leave. So there's five. There's five models. And this is a little bit confusing. It's not actually using Gemini. Allegedly Apple says that they are licensing a 1.2 trillion parameter Gemini model for about a billion a year. As a teacher for the Apple foundation model, it sounds like they're building their own foundation models by basically distilling Gemini answers.

[Andrew]

Siri got a tutor.

[David]

Kind of. It's a tutor.

[Andrew]

It's a private tutor.

[David]

They're building their own models based on their own Data sets is what they said. But they're using Gemini to sort of like teach their model how to be a model. I don't understand anything.

[Marques]

If I was a car company and I had a billion dollar a year partnership with another car company and I was gonna make my own car, but I was going to use that partnership to have the other car company teach me how to build a car, Toyota. You would end up with a car that looks like a car and works and acts a lot like the one you're getting tutored from. Yes. But you'd be able to technically say correct that it's not a copy to be of the.

[David]

They did say they used their own data sets, so that's something.

[Marques]

Yeah, we used our own tires and our own materials. I have no idea how to put them together.

[David]

Right.

[Marques]

But I have the blueprint of a Toyota Prius.

[David]

Yes.

[Marques]

And so when I put these things together using the instructions from the Prius, it's probably going to end up looking like the Prius.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

But it's not Toyota's tires, it's my tires. So don't you call it a Toyota car?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Okay. Yeah, that's how Craig kind of sounds

[David]

a lot like distillation. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Do you think for a billion a year they just now they only pay $19 billion to Apple to be the default search engine?

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

There's a lot of back and forth discount going on. So there's five main models. There's two on device models. There's AFM3 core, which is Apple Foundation Model 3 core, that happens for a very simple task, is a 3 billion parameter model that should be able to do things like setting a timer, et cetera. AFM3 core advanced, which is their most advanced on device model, which has 20 billion parameters, but it kind of uses the like mixture of experts technique where it only accesses between 1 to 4 billion parameters at a time to actually do stuff. So I believe that's the one that can only work on the like iPhone Pro and like the latest one that won't work on the regular iPhone 16 or iPhone 15 Pro, et cetera.

[Andrew]

The one built from the ground up,

[David]

built for Apple intelligence. You guys who bought that iPhone that was built for Apple intelligence, better get your $95 now. And then there's three private cloud compute models. There's AFM3 Cloud, which is heavier cloud requests, which I assume is just stuff that the local models can handle. Afm3cloud image, which sounds like a distillation or some form of version of nano banana that is Apple's version of nanobanana. And then there's AFM3 Cloud Pro, which is their heaviest tool. They specifically called out that it uses Google cloud infrastructure and it specifically called out that it uses Nvidia GPUs.

[Ellis]

Is this the one you think that will go through and unsubscribe if you do that?

[David]

Like the agentic stuff.

[Ellis]

Agentic stuff, yeah. Or not unsubscribe. Change your passwords.

[Marques]

Change your passwords.

[David]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. That seems like which ones they're gonna need a Nvidia GPUs for or if they just did that because there's some weird payment going on between Nvidia and. I have no idea.

[Ellis]

It feels weird because like the most like that is a very privacy centered thing which I would assume would go through their private stuff, but they're saying the heavier stuff like that would be through.

[David]

There was some murkiness because they were saying all of the cloud models are through private cloud compute. But then some people were saying that the most hardcore one that uses Google Cloud infrastructure, they said it still has the benefits of private cloud compute and they were very specific about that verbiage.

[Ellis]

Yeah, Because Google made their own version of it, basically.

[Marques]

I get that would imagine those are

[Ellis]

just being routed through Google servers.

[David]

Probably what it is.

[Ellis]

But then they wouldn't say it's only on Apple servers. Like I feel like Apple still wouldn't do that. Yeah, I don't know. It's all very.

[David]

It's all too nebulous and we don't want to make any big claims.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Okay. I think that we should get down to what Siri actually does because there's three main pillars of what Google, what Apple is saying that Siri can actually do. So there's personal context, which is Siri can draw from all your personal apps like messages, Google Photos, email and Calendar to take actions for you. So you can say like hey Siri, when's mom's flight landing? And because it had news, you have a contact called mom and it can search through your messages and she texted you when her flight is landing. It'll just tell you. And that's helpful. There's on screen awareness, which is Siri being able to analyze what's on your screen. It's basically circle search. It can add things to your calendar, it can, you can ask that things about the things that are on your screen, et cetera. And then there's in app actions, which is where Siri can perform and chain tasks together across tasks so if you pull a photo into an email or you make a schedule based on your notes.

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[David]

That's where it's manipulating your apps for you. Yeah. To do this, they now also have a dedicated Siri app.

[Marques]

Yeah. So all of your apps, all of your devices are going to get this Siri app and it's essentially like a memory bank for all the things that you've been asking Siri. So obviously if you use any of these others you've seen, like the sidebar of all your previous queries, this isn't 100% of your queries because you might just ask Siri what the weather is and doesn't want to save everything. But it's the things that are a little more context. You might want to come back to them. It's all your memories and it will sync across devices so you can pick up where you left off from one request or one conversation to the next in this little hub where all your Siri stuff will be.

[David]

And there's an interesting interface on the iPhone specifically, but I'm sure you can do it on other computers as well, where when you ask Siri a question, it will give you a high level answer, but then you can can pull down the little orb that kind of pops up and it'll just sort of like fluidly open the app.

[Ellis]

It'll splat open.

[David]

Splat. Yeah, it'll gouge and splat open. It doesn't feel like it's opening an app, but it's sort of just like this extension of itself. But it is the app.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Something strange about how black the background is of it. Yeah, it's just like.

[David]

It's a very basic looking.

[Andrew]

Cause it looks like a dynamic island pops open, but then it looks like the dynamic island just takes over your whole screen, except for a little bit of transparency at the bottom. And it's just. Just black, white text.

[Marques]

I kind of liked it. So I had one thing that I really liked, one thing I really didn't like. Okay. The thing that I really liked was the way it seems to. It comes out of the dynamic island and then you can extend it and it just seems to always act like an overlay. So I thought that that visual consistency of it always just happening on top of whatever you're doing makes sense. That's the same thing like Gemini will do if you want to show itself on your screen. It always feels like it's on top. So I thought that visually that made a lot of sense.

[David]

Sense.

[Marques]

And that's the same on the Mac and the iPad, it always looks like a little window. The thing I didn't love, and it's subtle, but I think it makes a big difference for confidence. Using it is it doesn't transcribe what you're saying visually as you're talking. It just listens and shows a little orb. And then when you're done talking, boom, that's the text that you just inputted. And it's a little thing. But when it shows the text as I'm talking, which like the rest of, like Google especially, does this really well, that gives me a good sense of like, okay, it's understanding what I'm saying. And here's what it has so far. And here's the rest of what I want to say.

[David]

Yeah, I wish it.

[Marques]

I wish it did that. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Because if you say something really long, but it doesn't get it right in the beginning, now you've said the whole thing, but all of that could be wrong because of the first sentence where if you see it in live, you can be like, oh, no, no, no.

[Marques]

Yeah, I can start over.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

So that, that's a little thing that I wish they did differently. Maybe they will. There's still time to update the software.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

But, yeah, it does seem like it's sort of always an overlay mode happening on top of whatever you're just doing on your phone.

[David]

Yeah. Have you messed with Siri at all and tried to get it to do Edge cases and stuff yet?

[Marques]

No, I'm updating my Pro right now. That's what I'm going to be beta testing on because I want to do it on my main device. So all of this for me is just from keynote and from hands on. I got at Apple Park.

[David]

Yeah. I had a couple delightful experiences with Siri where I didn't expect it to work and it did. And I have. I had a couple where it just utterly failed. Yeah. As a theory, classic, but one that was really surprising to me. So I was. The way that these events work is we get. We get briefing schedules before the keynote, but the. But on the schedule It'll be like 1pm to 2pm it just says briefing because they want you to know, like, what to prepare for, but not like what specifically to prepare for, because you haven't seen the keynote yet. Then you go to the keynote and then you've learned everything and then they give you another briefing schedule that tells you what the actual briefing is about.

[Marques]

It unmasks the names of the briefings. Yeah.

[David]

So I had been referencing my briefing Email, like, all day to make sure I was, like, making it to my briefings on time. And it got really annoying because I had to keep searching my email, like, a bunch of times. I was like, oh, this is an interesting Siri dynamic. So I was like, hey, Siri, can you make a note of my WWDC briefing schedule? And it did it just in. It was like, here you go. And so it pulled it out of my email, but it pulled out the original schedule, so it just said briefing. Yeah. So I said, hey, can you actually update that with the most recent one that gives more details? And then it did that and it was cool. And I was like, damn, that actually worked. Then I said, actually, can you add this to my email or to my account? And it added the first two to my calendar. And then I said, can you add the other three to my calendar? And it added two more to my calendar. I said, can you add the last one to my calendar? And then it finally added the last one, so there's weird chunks. And then also it only added it to my Apple calendar and I can't get it down to my Google couch.

[Marques]

That's what I expected.

[David]

This is the problem. That's the main problem.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Part of me wants to just go all in on Apple's ecosystem.

[Marques]

No, this is what it's designed to do.

[David]

That's what I want.

[Andrew]

We got it.

[David]

You're the last person that could even do this, man.

[Ellis]

Listen, it's for science. I like jumping between things just to see.

[Marques]

Look, the golden gates of this walled garden are so shiny. If you are just entirely in Apple walls, everything works. Dude, it's awesome. But right now, I'm not gonna use Golden Gate Bridge, and that's fine. And if you use Gemini, it's all gonna be great. It'll look in your email, look in your Google Calendar. Just always looking through all your stuff. But if you do the Apple thing, it will use Apple reminders, it will use Apple podcasts, it will use Apple calendars, or you use iMessage. It'll do all the stuff you want because that's all the services you use. Right. And that sounds pretty nice, but don't let yourself become that person because they haven't shocked everything yet.

[David]

Yeah. So we're obviously still in the very early testing stages of Siri. I tried it again with another thing. Like, I was heading towards the airport, but I had some time for dinner, and I wanted a burrito, but I wanted to sit outside, but I wanted to be on a back patio. So I Was like, this is awesome, awesome. So I just gave it a million different parameters of this query and it did find me some places. One of them was not Mexican, but most of them were. So I, you know, this is what's going to happen.

[Marques]

We're getting there. Everyone's going to have to start testing this stuff and using it and it's either going to work all the time in ways that are surprising and great, or, and this is what I think is more likely to happen, is people are going to try to push it to its limits and try to ask it to do more and more interesting things. Because remember, every time something new comes out, people try to break it. It going all the way back to Bing. Like people are just trying to break it and it's going to fail. And I wonder what it's going to look like. Act like, say when it fails, how does it fail? Does it confidently get things wrong or does it just go, hey, I can't do that? That'll be what we start seeing in videos and how we judge if it's actually capable or good or not.

[David]

One thing. So I kind of ran into that because I asked it, what time does my flight board? Because I don't think that's necessarily something that it tells you in the email, but I was like, maybe you can find that information anyway. So I asked it and it went around forever. It was like, do, do, do. And eventually it came back with, I can't tell you the exact time. However, most flights board about 40 minutes before, so that's something unless you're Marquez or you're going internationally, which they want you to board an hour before. So I don't. I mean, at least it wasn't just, I can't help with that. Which was the entire Siri experience before this. Yeah, hey, set a timer. I can't help with that. What did you say?

[Andrew]

Now it's just even longer saying, I can't help with that.

[David]

And it takes a while for sure. Yeah, yeah. Really quickly on the Mac, when you're using Siri, they built it into Spotlight. So that's a cool interaction paradigm. So, Raycast, be careful. It's basically, be careful, careful.

[Marques]

I haven't put up the third finger yet for the Sherlock, but it's close.

[David]

So when you use your command space to use Spotlight, not only Spotlight, way faster and way faster at finding files, because that indexing stuff we talked about earlier, but now if it detects that it's a question or an action that it can take, there's a do this with Siri button and it's cool. And then also in the Screenshot tool, which is Command Shift four or Command Shift five, there's a Siri option now too, where you can basically circle the search on your screen and take action with the added Share calendar. Do stuff like that. That's really cool. And then there's a dedicated Siri app on the. On the Mac as well.

[Marques]

So in the floating orb on Vision

[David]

Pro, the floating or Adam say favorite. Yeah, the Palantir orb.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. So that's practically it. There's some weird things. It's not going to be Siri on the iPhone is not going to be available in the EU or China for now because of DMA stuff. But it is available on the Mac in the EU because their thing only covers smartphones and not computers.

[Marques]

It's English only, right?

[David]

And it's English only for now as well. You can also now customize Siri's voice voice and change the expressiveness and speed. It's definitely not a leading class voice model. I'm gonna be honest.

[Marques]

I heard some samples.

[David]

It's not terrible sounds.

[Marques]

I.

[David]

It sounds like sounds.

[Marques]

I. Yeah, I'll definitely be testing all this stuff, reviewing it. Obviously, when the time comes, definitely get subscribed. If you guys have any questions, you're listening to this. You want to know, like, if I try to do something, if it works or not? Leave that down below. I want to know what you want to see if it's capable of or not.

[David]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Well, that was fun.

[David]

That was dub dub. What's the question?

[Marques]

Oh, yeah, trivia time.

[David]

Were you paying attention?

[Rufus]

I have question. So when Apple were demonstrating the features of the new Siri AI in Vision Pro, they gave us a demonstration of a user looking at a backpack. They were thinking about buying for a trip and they asked, does this backpack fit on my flight? Where was that flight going?

[David]

Damn, that's so special.

[Andrew]

Is it bad that I remembered the website they were using?

[Marques]

I remember everything else about it.

[Andrew]

I remember what the back looks like.

[Marques]

I remember the boots. And they said, do the boots fit? And it said, yes, but just barely. I remember everything else.

[David]

Those are the boots they had in real life, right?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[David]

They're like, would they fit in the real boots?

[Marques]

And they asked if it would fit in the backpack that was on the website.

[David]

Totally realistic scenario.

[Marques]

But where is the flight going?

[David]

I have a random thought, but it's not probably right. Yeah, we'll figure it out.

[Andrew]

They'll fit, but it'll be tight.

[Marques]

Well, let's find out after the break.

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[Andrew]

This is the Dub Dub episode, but we're going to talk about nostalgia gaming. Run really quick gaming. I just want to say it the Xbox 25th Anniversary Xbox Series X25 in transparent green.

[Marques]

Is that the name of the thing?

[Andrew]

They're calling it the Xbox Series X25.

[David]

So like.

[Andrew]

But the way I I rewrote this like three times because I was so confused. The Rog Ally said Xbox like four times.

[Marques]

The Xbox X25 Xbox Series X.

[Andrew]

She green, she transparent. She pretty.

[Marques]

Feel like she has more chance to lose. This is nostalgia.

[Andrew]

Oh, there was like an original Xbox limited.

[Rufus]

Gotcha.

[Andrew]

I really thought it was like a Master Chief edition, but I might be wrong about that. But yeah, that was.

[David]

They already different one.

[Marques]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Andrew]

It's so good though.

[David]

It looks nice.

[Marques]

It does look nice. If I played as someone who has never seen the actual old Xbox that it's based on. This looks cool.

[Rufus]

What?

[Andrew]

I like it.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

Never seen.

[Andrew]

I had to show them.

[Marques]

I've seen old Xboxes but they're all black back.

[David]

You've never seen the clear.

[Marques]

I've never seen whatever this is referencing, but it looks. It looks cool.

[David]

Okay, I have a quick rant about Ocarina of Time and then I have

[Ellis]

a quick rant, but go on.

[David]

Why didn't I bring my Ocarina?

[Ellis]

I didn't put this into doc, so it'll be a surprise for.

[David]

I should have brought my Ocarina and just like play.

[Ellis]

It's not that important. I was debating asking you to bring it in, but I.

[David]

Well, I flew directly from Dub Dub.

[Ellis]

That makes sense.

[David]

I'll play it next.

[Andrew]

Next week. You didn't bring it to Dub Dub with you?

[David]

Yeah, that'd be cool. I'll play next week. Nintendo announced a remaster again. They have remastered Star Fox and Ocarina of Time, like four times each. Ocarina of Time and Star. Okay, there's a scene in the trailer. They just showed a trailer and they only showed what Link looked like and then like what the intro looked like, but they didn't show any gameplay. But Nintendo now is going for hyper realism, which is just the thing that Nintendo never did.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[David]

And it's in my opinion, a horrible idea because the amount of Zelda games that they've made and they just do different art styles and it's always really interesting and cool when they switch up the art style. But now I don't know if you guys have ever seen those like Mario, but if it was made in Unreal Engine, like fan videos and they look ridiculous, like they've been making those for the last like 10 years. And they look like they can look kind of cool, but you can't have hyper realism and timelessness at the same time because those graphics will always become outdated. Whereas if you go with cartoon and cel shaded and something that never was made to look realistic anyway, it is timeless, like. Like Wind Waker Is Elda Wind Waker always gonna look amazing because it's cel shaded. Anyway, Ocarina Tie is my favorite game of all time. And I just really feel like they massacred my boy.

[Andrew]

This. This video of him. And like, pretty realistic. Kind of just looks like. Do you remember Polly Pockets?

[Marques]

Whoa. The linked Polly Pockets.

[Andrew]

He looks like a Polly Pocket in this. It's like, like. Yeah.

[David]

I'll reserve judgment for when we actually see gameplay. But link, it is weird to just

[Marques]

show guys you can. You can vote with your wallets. You don't have to keep buying the same game over and over.

[Ellis]

Disagree.

[Marques]

You don't have to.

[Andrew]

Do you have a pre order for backyard baseball?

[Marques]

No. No.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

No.

[Rufus]

You.

[Marques]

If you look, Backyard baseball is going to be the same game as well, but it'll have online multiplayer. So that's new. If the only thing that's new is because you said remaster.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Is it the same game, just higher

[David]

quality, but it's not. Like for the 3Ds, they basically just put like a. Like a. Like a sharpening shader on the original game. Yeah. But for this one, they're like making all new assets. I mean, it's supposed to be.

[Marques]

When you say new, you mean old but better looking, but redone. Like the same characters but drawn again differently. Yeah, that's my point.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

Just don't buy it.

[David]

I pro. I won't. I probably won't. I don't buy all these games. I didn't buy Star.

[Marques]

I guess my angle is if you do buy it, if you do buy it, this will be confirmation for the companies that it works and they'll do it again.

[David]

Yeah, I know what you're saying.

[Andrew]

It clearly works. They keep doing it.

[David]

Yeah, Hollywood.

[Marques]

They're doing it anyway.

[David]

I just want to say they massacred my boy and Nintendo needs to stop doing Hyper Realism.

[Ellis]

And speaking of Nintendo and Hyper Realism, they somehow got the trailer for Kingdom Hearts 4. And I am so excited for this. For this game to come out. And there was already a trailer three years ago, and then radio silence. And now there's another trailer. So we'll see how long it takes until the next trailer.

[David]

I've always been surprised that they can just be like Soul Calibur but Mickey Mouse and that's popular, but. Exactly.

[Ellis]

And Donald Duck. Don't forget Donald Duck.

[David]

Go off. King and Goofy.

[Ellis]

Love it.

[David]

Sora was in smash, so that's true. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Maybe Lane and I can play this.

[Ellis]

Maybe Kingdom Hearts you should play the first 13 games so you really understand this.

[Andrew]

Thirteen. You just said four.

[David]

Well, they have, like, 2.5 and then 2.5. They do have remastered.

[Andrew]

There's last season.

[David]

They have multiple remasters.

[Ellis]

You should watch just a YouTube super cut on the story, because there's, like, a bunch of story that happens only in, like, mobile games that were specifically released in Japan, and that's, like, actually canon to the actual game.

[Andrew]

Does he ever find the door that he's trying to unlock with that big key?

[Ellis]

No spoilers, because that is.

[David]

He doesn't carry that key.

[Ellis]

Great game. Great story. It's insane. It's an insane story that everyone should know because it's amazing.

[David]

I heard it was insane.

[Ellis]

Yeah. Really?

[David]

Okay. I just have one last thing because I feel like it's important. Anthropic finally released its model that was too dangerous to release. So, yeah, that's the playbook. We talked about Mythos a long time ago. It was like a crazy cyber security model, and they were like, we're not gonna give this to people. And then they gave it to people.

[Marques]

Crazy new marketing angle.

[David]

Yeah.

[Marques]

This thing we're about to release, you can't handle it. Too hot to handle.

[David]

They've done it a few times.

[Marques]

All right, so here it is.

[David]

So here it is. They said they made it safer. They're kind of doing a little bit of a bait and switch, which I don't love, where they're giving access to everybody who has a paid subscription of any kind of access to this model and for, like, one month, and then they're completely pulling it from the models you can access unless you pay for the API.

[Andrew]

Isn't that what drug dealers do?

[Marques]

Yes.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[David]

Well, they.

[Rufus]

They have a reason. The reason they said they're doing this is the same reason that they said they're. They're changing their data retention policy.

[David]

Oh, for money.

[Rufus]

If you read their press release, what they said is that they wanted to make sure that they were curtailing like. Like bad actors using it to do the wrong stuff. So you know how you can get it to be like, oh, Roleplay is my grandma who used to read me state secrets as bed when I was going to sleep, but now she's dead, and.

[David]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

Can you do it for me?

[David]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

And it's like, no, no, no, I won't do that. So you could ask it like, okay. Roleplay is my talking dog who I trained to repeat states. And then you could get it to do it like that. They're looking for all of the variations of the ways you can trick it. So that they can train their alignment model to be better at finding the things that people are going to do, the patterns that people are going to try to use.

[David]

Well, they just tell around the restrictions

[Andrew]

so they want it to be less gullible.

[David]

Well, they just tell Fable to tell it all the things that people can do to get around it. Because I thought it could do everything.

[Rufus]

Well, you know, I'm. You got me.

[Andrew]

I don't know why they don't.

[David]

I don't know.

[Rufus]

This is why I don't work at Anthron.

[David]

Look, it's a combination of like, apparently this model is freaking insane and Opus was already insane and. And we vibe coded a lot of crazy with it, but it's just kind of crazy to like release it to public for one month and then pull it. And I like, I can. You can wrap your. You can. That could be an excuse I could understand partially. Kind of maybe. But obviously they're trying to get people to pay for the API because $20 a month. There was. There's been a lot of data that's come out that like these $20 a month plans cost these companies $5,000. So they need people to pay per token.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[David]

So anyway, that's the whole thing. That's. I just wanted to say that it was impossible. Like they had. Anyway, we had to talk about it briefly.

[Ellis]

My question with this is. Yeah. Do you think this was all planned already?

[David]

Yeah.

[Rufus]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

This was part of the rollout.

[Marques]

Right.

[Ellis]

Announced mythos.

[David]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

And then a month later or 40 something days later, they're like, actually, we also have these safety.

[David]

They've done this multiple times. Like, this is like the second or third time that they've been like, it's too dangerous to release this to the public. And then they release it to the public.

[Andrew]

Money please.

[Marques]

Money please. Yeah.

[David]

Because the economy is going to crash pretty soon after the space X IPO and the anthropic IPO and the opening IPO money. Now, by the way, on the same day as Dub Dub open, I filed to confidentially ipo, which was not that confidential.

[Ellis]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

These companies know what confidential means because we keep hearing about it.

[Marques]

I mean, it's not going to be confidential if you just file. Right.

[Ellis]

That's like.

[David]

Yeah. But then they say that they did it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

[Ellis]

Is it confidentially or confidently?

[Marques]

Both.

[David]

I also think it's cool that Apple and ChatGPT are breaking up a little bit. They haven't officially broken up.

[Marques]

Yeah. That whole thing where you could like, you'd ask Siri a question and we'd go, you mind If I ask ChatGPT this question? Yeah, it doesn't necessarily need to do that anymore.

[David]

Yeah. So that's nice.

[Marques]

So that's cool.

[David]

Yeah. All right. I know that we're running low on time.

[Marques]

It's time for trivia. That was nice.

[Ellis]

Trivia.

[Marques]

Dude, you have a marker.

[Ellis]

So I do. Points. Marquez, 26, Andrew 25, David 31. First question. In the Siri AI section, a notification popped up that said the Golden Gate Bridge is painted in a color officially known as.

[Andrew]

As what?

[Rufus]

Sure did.

[David]

Tim Cook.

[Marques]

I can't believe I remember this. This is one of those.

[Ellis]

If you get this right, I will be shocked.

[Marques]

This is maybe the most specific thing you could ask me that. I remember reading the notification and I'm pretty sure I have it.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Ellis]

Okay, yeah, we'll see.

[Andrew]

Reading the notification.

[Marques]

Yeah, like the notification on the screen.

[Andrew]

Well, cuz the other question's about a note. Oh, no, it's about a destination.

[Marques]

Yeah.

[Ellis]

Is that a journey or the destination? Flip them and read. What do you got?

[David]

Oh, I think you're right, Marquez.

[Marques]

I remember it saying it was painted in this international orange, which is like this universal color of like high contrast or whatever that they used for the. The button on your Apple Watch Ultra.

[David]

Oh, correct. The Apple Watch Ultra button is the same color as the Golden Gate.

[Andrew]

Rich.

[Marques]

It didn't age the same name.

[David]

But that's true.

[Andrew]

I mean, that hasn't been around as long as the Golden Gate.

[Marques]

Exactly.

[Andrew]

So I knew it was orange, So I wrote Nixon 5.

[Marques]

Nice.

[Ellis]

Correct.

[Andrew]

You gotta be really funny because there's a game tonight and we don't know.

[Ellis]

I won't give him the costume. I won't give him the point. All right, David, what'd you say?

[David]

I wrote California Poppy.

[Andrew]

Did you say correct?

[Ellis]

Good guess. Yeah, I was saying correct. I was gonna give you the point,

[David]

but then David yelled because he also agrees that it's Nixon 5.

[Ellis]

It's Nixon.

[Andrew]

Oh, okay.

[Ellis]

They already swept. We just live in an alternate reality. All right, next question.

[David]

Nixon 4.

[Marques]

Where is the flight to? Okay. Somewhere. You go hiking? Yes.

[David]

Wait, what's the question again?

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Rufus]

When demonstrating new Siri AI functionality in Vision Pro, they showed us a person going on a trip somewhere and checking if their backpack would fit in the overhead bin of a flight. Where were they going?

[David]

Cupertino. Little Bear?

[Marques]

Big Bear Lake.

[David]

Big Bear Lake. Which we were wrong about. I'm okay with Golden Gate. I like New Jersey.

[Marques]

This Is tough for me because I was just in an airport where I was reading lots of abbreviations for different airports, and that's in my head right now, and I can't think of anything else.

[David]

Atlanta.

[Marques]

I learned a lot of new airports. Airport city codes yesterday.

[Andrew]

Name all of them.

[David]

Oh, you like airports.

[Rufus]

All right, what do we got?

[Marques]

I. I said Patagonia for fun.

[Andrew]

I wish I said Rocky Mountain.

[David]

I said Norway.

[Andrew]

It was international, right?

[Rufus]

It was international. They were going to Iceland. Oh, right.

[Marques]

I did know that. I remember that because that's.

[David]

That's the Vision Pro environment. Wait, why would he have to go on that trip if he just has the Vision Pro environment?

[Andrew]

He wants to wear his boots in Vision Pro.

[David]

He can already do that. He wears boots and just use the Vision Pro and being in the environment.

[Andrew]

It was an REI backpack. I've Bridger. Was it La Sportiva boots? Like, I'm remembering all the stupid stuff.

[Rufus]

The first iteration of this question was going to ask what the backpack was, but we thought it was more fun to ask where the rei.

[Marques]

Well, that is it for this week's recap episode of Waveform. Obviously, a lot more to come. We'll be testing these things. Let us know again, like I said in the comments, if there's certain things you want us to test for future episodes and for the full reviews. But yeah, like I said, thanks for subbing. Catch you guys in our next regularly scheduled programming. And since you made it this far, Kool Aid. See you in the next one. Peace.

[Ellis]

Where do you come up with these?

[David]

Two minutes after the episode goes live. It's gonna be awesome. All Kool Aid. Yeah. Somehow.

[Andrew]

Wait for Mispriced by Adam Alina. And have I ever said your last name out loud? Rufus?

[Rufus]

You have. You are. You will now.

[Andrew]

Okay, do you want to tell me or do you want me to try? No, no.

[Ellis]

Try it.

[Rufus]

Try.

[Andrew]

Okay, but I'm going. And we're. We ain't coming back. All right. Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Rufus Mopar. No, we coming back. I'm just kidding. Mulhaupt. Mulhaupt. Okay. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Rufus Mulhaupt. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast network, and our trim is. Was created by Vane Sill.

[Marques]

Bingo. It's the Waveform bros. I miss Bingo.

[David]

Bingo.

[Marques]

Bingo.

[Andrew]

Bingo.

[David]

Look at them. They're just like. Yes, yes, yes. Lie to me, Daddy.

[Andrew]

Did I put enough gel in my hair this morning?

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