We Can Do Hard Things: Jenny Lawson is Broken (in the Best Possible Way) (Best Of)
Hosted by Glennon Doyle and Audacy
Release Date: May 10, 2025

Introduction

In this deeply moving episode of We Can Do Hard Things, hosts Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach, and Amanda Doyle engage in an intimate and honest conversation with the beloved author and humorist, Jenny Lawson. Known for her candid portrayal of mental health struggles through her bestsellers like Furiously Happy and Broken in the Best Possible Way, Jenny brings her unique blend of humor and vulnerability to the discussion, offering listeners profound insights into embracing one's imperfections and navigating the complexities of mental illness.

Jenny's Journey with Mental Health

The conversation begins with Jenny Lawson opening up about her lifelong battle with anxiety and depression. She shares, “[Anxiety] has always been my constant companion. So I'm not sure if I could even break it down to the first [panic attack]” (08:05). Jenny elaborates on how her mental health challenges manifested in childhood, describing behaviors that set her apart from her peers and how writing became her sanctuary and means of communication.

Embracing 'Brokenness'

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Jenny’s relationship with the term "broken." She explains, “The way in which I was broken… allows the light in and creates this ability to see things from a different perspective” (10:47). Jenny redefines "broken" not as a negative state but as a space where vulnerability and compassion can flourish. This perspective is central to her book Broken in the Best Possible Way, where she explores how embracing her flaws has led to deeper connections and personal growth.

The Power of Honest Storytelling

Jenny emphasizes the transformative power of sharing authentic experiences. She recounts how initially fearing to disclose her mental health struggles, she found unexpected support and solidarity when she began writing openly. “Instead of people running away, thousands of people said, ‘Me too. I also feel alone,’” she shares (23:30). This act of vulnerability not only forged a community of understanding but also played a pivotal role in saving lives by providing others with the encouragement to seek help.

Navigating Suicidal Ideation

The hosts delve into the sensitive topic of suicide, with Jenny providing a nuanced perspective. She discusses the importance of recognizing suicidal thoughts without judgment and the necessity of reaching out for support. “Talking about suicide makes people think, ‘Maybe it's not. I'm not alone,’ which can make you less depressed and less likely to commit suicide” (38:02). Jenny stresses that open conversations about suicide can demystify the stigma and encourage those struggling to seek the help they need.

Practical Tools for Managing Mental Health

Throughout the episode, Jenny offers practical advice for managing mental health conditions. She shares her strategies for dealing with ADD, such as using pink noise to block out distractions and setting time limits to maintain focus. “When I turn on pink noise, I can write. As soon as I get distracted, I know it’s turned off, and I can go say I worked for 20 minutes” (28:07). These actionable tips provide listeners with tangible methods to handle their own mental health challenges.

Engaging with Loved Ones

Abby Wambach and Amanda Doyle highlight the importance of supportive communication with family and friends. Jenny advises parents to regularly check in with their children using direct questions like, “How are you really, on a scale from 1 to 10?” (49:04). This approach fosters an environment where children feel safe to express their true feelings without fear of judgment.

Finding Humor in Mortifying Moments

In true Jenny Lawson fashion, the conversation takes a lighter turn as the trio shares their most embarrassing stories. Jenny explains, “There is something so incredibly honest about sharing the most mortifying thing that has ever happened to you” (58:21). This segment underscores how humor and shared vulnerabilities can strengthen bonds and create a sense of belonging among individuals facing similar struggles.

Conclusion: Embracing Humanity Through Absurdity and Honesty

As the episode draws to a close, Jenny Lawson encapsulates the essence of the conversation by highlighting the beauty in embracing one's flaws and the importance of authentic connections. “You are human, Kintsugi, and we are so grateful for you. Thank you for helping us do hard things” (63:42). The hosts echo this sentiment, encouraging listeners to share their own stories and find strength in their shared experiences.

Key Takeaways

• Vulnerability Fosters Connection: Sharing personal struggles can create a supportive community and alleviate feelings of isolation.

• Redefining 'Brokenness': Embracing imperfections allows for deeper self-compassion and empathy towards others.

• Importance of Open Conversations: Talking about mental health and suicide can reduce stigma and encourage those in need to seek help.

• Practical Strategies: Utilizing tools like pink noise and structured communication can aid in managing mental health challenges.

• Humor as a Healing Tool: Finding humor in embarrassing moments can strengthen relationships and provide emotional relief.

Notable Quotes

• Jenny Lawson on Anxiety: “Anxiety has always been my constant companion. So I'm not sure if I could even break it down to the first [panic attack].” (08:05)

• Redefining Brokenness: “The way in which I was broken… allows the light in and creates this ability to see things from a different perspective.” (10:47)

• Impact of Sharing Stories: “Instead of people running away, thousands of people said, ‘Me too. I also feel alone.’” (23:30)

• Talking About Suicide: “Talking about suicide makes people think, ‘Maybe it's not. I'm not alone,’ which can make you less depressed and less likely to commit suicide.” (38:02)

• Humor in Embarrassment: “There is something so incredibly honest about sharing the most mortifying thing that has ever happened to you.” (58:21)

• Final Reflection: “You are human, Kintsugi, and we are so grateful for you. Thank you for helping us do hard things.” (63:42)

Join the Conversation

Inspired by this episode? Share your most mortifying stories with us! Call us at 747-200-5307 or email at wcdhtpodmail.com. Your stories could be featured in our upcoming Mortifying Moments episode. Remember, when life gets hard, you can do hard things.

We Can Do Hard Things is created and hosted by Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach, and Amanda Doyle in partnership with Odyssey. Produced by a dedicated team, the podcast aims to provide a space for honest conversations about life's challenges, fostering a community of support and understanding.

Timestamps

• 08:05: Jenny discusses her lifelong anxiety.

• 10:47: Embracing the concept of being "broken."

• 23:30: The impact of sharing personal struggles.

• 28:07: Practical tools for managing ADD.

• 38:02: Importance of talking about suicide.

• 49:04: Communicating with loved ones about mental health.

• 58:21: Finding humor in embarrassing moments.

• 63:42: Final reflections on humanity and brokenness.

Note: Timestamps correspond to moments within the podcast where significant topics and memorable quotes occur.