Jimmy Kimmel & Molly McNearney: What Really Happened

Summary

Podcast Summary: "We Can Do Hard Things" — Jimmy Kimmel & Molly McNearney: What Really Happened

Host: Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach, Amanda Doyle (Treat Media)
Guests: Jimmy Kimmel & Molly McNearney
Date: November 6, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

This emotionally rich and candid episode offers listeners an inside look into how Jimmy Kimmel and Molly McNearney experienced the abrupt suspension of Jimmy's show amidst national controversy. As friends and neighbors with the Pod Squad, they delve into the personal, professional, and political fallout, sharing honest reflections, dark humor, and hope, demonstrating how community, partnership, and a dose of absurdity help them persevere through uncertainty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Day of the Show Suspension: Chaos and Coping

• Setting the Scene: Jimmy and Molly recount the surreal experience of receiving news of the show's suspension.
  • "[It] felt like OJ during the chase. That's what it felt like." — Jimmy Kimmel [03:39]
  • News helicopters hovered over their house, and they compared the media frenzy to being "dead," with Molly describing the sheer bizarreness and isolation of the moment.
• Parenting in Crisis: They shielded their children from the media storm before sitting them down to explain.
  • Their daughter’s tearful response: "I'll sell my labubus." — Molly McNearney [06:20]
  • Humor and honesty blended as they navigated the tough conversation—eventually admitting to their kids that the President was involved in the suspension.
• Immediate Aftermath: Both speak about the surreal duality—phones buzzing, parenting duties, and feeling "lifted on a wave" of public attention.

2. Emotional Fallout: Support, Solidarity, and Isolation

• Solidarity from Friends and Strangers: While the support was heartwarming, both Jimmy and Molly note the overwhelming and isolating aspects.
  • "There were 1,000 text messages for me, 10,000 for Jimmy." — Molly McNearney [13:20]
  • Strangers’ support, even those who simply drove Jimmy to the airport in the past, shone as a testament to Jimmy’s generosity with people.
• Coping Mechanisms:
  • "And weed, also. A lot of weed." — Jimmy Kimmel & Molly McNearney [10:11]
• Professional Responsibility: The couple felt the stress of uncertainty, especially for their staff’s livelihoods.
  • "For me, I felt like we'd lost the brakes on a 16 wheeler and we're headed downhill..." — Jimmy Kimmel [10:49]

3. Handling Public Backlash & Free Speech

• Desensitization to Criticism:
  • Jimmy: "Unless it's somebody I respect, I don't sweat it." [18:18]
  • Actively avoids Twitter, preferring more supportive communities on Instagram and YouTube.
• Emotional Toll:
  • Molly admits to being more emotional and angry, but finds comfort in partnership ("We had each other and we were going to get through it together" [19:57]), comparing the ordeal to their son’s open heart surgery as a couple-focused crisis.
• On Comedy, Speech, and Authoritarianism:
  • Amanda highlights that consolidators of power historically target comedians first; Jimmy affirms the unique threat comedy poses to those in power:
    • "Nobody likes to be laughed at...it shows you're not taking them seriously." [21:34]
    • Support came from unexpected places—even Ted Cruz, which served as a litmus for governmental overreach in his case.

4. The Temptation of Martyrdom & Return to the Air

• Reflections on Show Suspension:
  • Jimmy confesses, “If I'd not been allowed back on the air...I'd be a martyr. It's not a terrible position to be in as a comedian.” [25:15]
  • Ultimately wanted the show to end on his own terms, not in an abrupt, unjust manner.
• Mourning and Relief:
  • Both describe a period of mourning, fearing they would not properly say farewell or thank staff and viewers.

5. Navigating Divided Families & Personal Values

• Conservative Roots & Family Tension:
  • Molly opens up about coming from a conservative family, the pain of family voting divides, and losing relationships over political values.
    • "To me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family." [33:16]
• Disinformation’s Toll:
  • Jimmy points to systemic media misinformation, especially via TV news disguised as "cosplay," as fueling the national divide:
    • "They're telling lies for profit. It used to be AM talk radio, now it looks like the news." [37:00]
• Trying to Find Hope:
  • Molly laments repeated "rock bottoms" for the country, but finds hope in the wide support for their show and in ordinary acts of protest.
  • Jimmy: "When you have Ted Cruz on your side, you know they've screwed up." [24:54]

6. Hope, Protest, and the American Thread

• Moments of Solidarity:
  • Stories of protests, from mass rallies to "a woman by herself in South Carolina," provide sparks of hope [43:25].
  • Jimmy is heartened by spontaneous, local protest as evidence that people still care.
• Enduring American Struggle:
  • Amanda reflects: “This has always been a shit show...it just depends where you were sitting...they're still here doing their part. It's our turn." [54:11]
• Jimmy’s Resolve:
  • Despite narratives of "fleeing the country," Jimmy insists he will stay and fight for the country. "I will never flee the country...that's the very last thing I will do." [52:46]

7. The Comfort of Absurdity, Connection, and Pranks

• Levity Amidst Chaos:
  • Jimmy’s love of elaborate pranks on colleagues and family (e.g., dressing staff identically, changing Molly’s license plate to “WE BE JAMMIN”) offers comic relief and a touchpoint for normalcy [64:10, 66:02].
• Neighborly Awkwardness and Connection:
  • Molly recounts the awkwardness and excitement of meeting Glennon and Abby as new neighbors, leading to endearing miscommunications and ongoing dinner invitations [57:31].
• Cooking, Hosting, and Cookie Mishaps:
  • Stories about hosting the hosts on July 4th, and Glennon’s anxiety about bringing (and hiding) home-baked cookies add warmth and relatability [69:02].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "It was like being O.J. in the white Bronco. Except we didn't do it." — Jimmy Kimmel [03:39]
• "We told the kids, your dad and his show are on the right side of history. And my daughter says—'I thought we were on the left.'" — Molly McNearney [09:11]
• "For me, I felt like we'd lost the brakes on a 16 wheeler and we're headed downhill..." — Jimmy Kimmel [10:49]
• "And weed. Also...A lot of weed." — Jimmy Kimmel & Molly McNearney [10:11]
• "We canceled on 'We Can Do Hard Things'—guess we couldn't." — Abby Wambach, Molly McNearney, Jimmy Kimmel [05:06]
• "Nobody likes to be laughed at... It's the hardest thing for people like Donald Trump..." — Jimmy Kimmel [21:34]
• "If I'd not been allowed back on the air, I'd be a martyr. It's not a terrible position to be in as a comedian...But I want to end the show on my terms." — Jimmy Kimmel [25:15]
• "Do you dream of a life, like, of setting off into this? Like, we dream every night of, like, we're going to buy a farm..." — Glennon Doyle [51:28]
• "No, I will never flee the country. That's the very last thing I will do. I'm not interested in giving up." — Jimmy Kimmel [52:46]
• "People like that give us hope, right?" — Molly McNearney [43:49]
• "Every time I go to a fundraiser and...I'd rather be giving it to Children's Hospital right now..." — Molly McNearney [56:02]
• "As much as Jimmy's steadiness is comforting...mad Molly is equally comforting." — Glennon Doyle [56:46]
• "This is why—because this is optional. All of this is optional. And it doesn't have to be like this." — Molly McNearney [55:06]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• The Day the News Broke: [00:03] – [09:39]
• Telling Their Kids: [05:55] – [09:39]
• Support & Isolation: [09:52] – [14:44]
• Handling Stress/Public Backlash: [17:37] – [21:34]
• Comedy as Free Speech/Power & Laughter: [21:34] – [24:58]
• Mourning & Martyrdom Temptation: [25:01] – [27:06]
• Family Political Divides: [32:45] – [39:39]
• Finding Hope in Protest: [41:25] – [43:49]
• Neighbor Awkwardness/Dinner Invitations: [57:23] – [63:03]
• Prank Stories & Comic Relief: [64:10] – [67:42]
• Cookie Mishaps & Community Building: [69:02] – [71:18]
• Reflections on Activism and Personal Anger: [54:11] – [56:46]

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Tone & Takeaways

Throughout the episode, the tone oscillates between raw vulnerability, gallows humor, fiery resolve, and deep affection among friends and family. Uniquely blending intimate stories with sharp political and cultural observations, the conversation delivers comfort and solidarity—reminding listeners that resilience is built both by standing up to power and by hugging your people tighter at the end of a nightmare day.

For those facing hard things, Jimmy and Molly’s experience and partnership, paired with the warmth of the Pod Squad, offer hope that we can laugh, rage, and—together—fight for what matters most.

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Skip to around [03:39] for the show suspension story, [21:34] for discussions of comedy and power, [32:45] for family political divides, or [64:10] for prank tales and comic relief.

Transcript

[Amanda]

Oh.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Wow.

[Glennon Doyle]

The reason we're celebrating in this strange way is that we just finished the most delightful, hopeful, honest, funny, hilarious conversations. Conversation with our friends and neighbors and two people who have been, well in the news lately. And their names are Jimmy Kimmel and Molly McNerney. And you all just. You're gonna learn everything. In this interview, they talk about the day everything went down with the show cancellation, where they were, how it all.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Felt, which we were supposed to be.

[Amanda]

Recording this conversation exactly at the time, were that. That day and that time where the news broke and.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And couldn't, obviously, for obvious reasons. But that was wild to hear all about that.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah.

[Glennon Doyle]

I actually, that morning, got a text from Molly that said, hey, I think everything's gonna be fine for this afternoon, but just so you know, things are a little weird. And then several hours later, I got another text that just said, not fine. Things are not fine. And then all the news came out. So this is just a beautiful conversation with two people who we adore and respect and appreciate so much. And I think it's going to help this conversation. I think the way they're getting through has a lot to teach us about how to get through and how to be brave and how to be steady.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

And how to love our people and.

[Glennon Doyle]

Love our country and love each other through this time. So we give you Jimmy and Molly. Hi, guys.

[Molly McNerney]

Hi.

[Abby]

There they are.

[Molly McNerney]

How's it going?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Hi, guys. How you doing? Good.

[Molly McNerney]

I might cry just seeing your faces.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

You cry on every podcast.

[Molly McNerney]

That's what I do.

[Glennon Doyle]

I already don't feel special. Can you cry Hardest today, Molly.

[Molly McNerney]

I will definitely cry. The hardest here to seize. Oh, my God. This is so exciting. I can't believe it.

[Glennon Doyle]

It's so good to see you guys. We were just talking before about the day that we were supposed to record this podcast, and I don't know if you remember, Molly, because you had a few other things going on that day, but I got. I got a text from you, like, late morning, and it was just like, things are getting weird, but I think it's going to be fine. And then I was like, okay. Then several hours later, I got one that just said, not fine.

[Amanda]

Not fine.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah. That's an understatement.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, that is definitely an understatement. I love that you were in that with us that day.

[Glennon Doyle]

Me too.

[Molly McNerney]

It's crazy. I remember you in the morning, connecting with me first. You're like, hey, I'm so excited for tonight. Is there if there's anything you want to talk about or. Not talk about. Let me know. I'm like, oh, we're great. We'll talk about anything.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

We don't have anything to talk about.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Molly McNerney]

I'm like, what are we going to talk about?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And then we had a lot to talk about all of a sudden.

[Molly McNerney]

Yes. And then we had helicopters over our home.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

You guys. What was that like?

[Glennon Doyle]

Tell us what you can or want to.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I liked it. I enjoyed it.

[Glennon Doyle]

You really.

[Amanda]

Finally the attention you deserve around here.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I don't know. I guess it felt like. I think it. Maybe it felt like OJ during the chase. That's what it felt like.

[Molly McNerney]

We were oj.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah, we were OJ and headed home. And helicopters and everybody. And then we were on TV 24 hours a day for like, three days in a row, and I had the realization that had I died, there would be nowhere near this much coverage.

[Abby]

Oh, my God.

[Molly McNerney]

It felt like you had died. Like, we. It was wild. We were at work doing our thing, and then midday, we learn we are no longer doing our thing.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Well, when you say it felt like I had died, what Molly, I think, is saying is I'm only alive to her as long as I'm on television. Yes.

[Molly McNerney]

And then you're dead. Yes.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Then I don't even exist.

[Molly McNerney]

Saturday and Sunday don't even see you.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yep, you're dead.

[Molly McNerney]

It was. It was a really crazy day. And then we went home. We sat here for a while. We learned the show had been suspended. Moments after we learned. I believe that's when I texted Jugulin and was like, well, we may have to cancel the podcast tonight.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I wanted to do it anyway.

[Molly McNerney]

You did. Jimmy wanted to get us all in more trouble.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Like, listen, we got business to attend to.

[Molly McNerney]

And then we just sat here.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

The name of the podcast is We Can Do Hard Things. And we backed out on you.

[Molly McNerney]

Oh, my God.

[Abby]

Guess we couldn't.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

We can't do hard things.

[Molly McNerney]

We can't. We've tried.

[Amanda]

It's not for us.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

If they're even moderately uncomfortable, we won't do them.

[Molly McNerney]

That's so. It's so true. We canceled on. We can do hard things.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah.

[Glennon Doyle]

Wow.

[Molly McNerney]

I never thought of that.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It's too hard.

[Molly McNerney]

So then. Hold on. I'm taking us back on track. So then we go home, which felt very strange because it felt weird to.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Leave because we went to the wrong house.

[Molly McNerney]

Stop it.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And the people who lived there were disturbed.

[Molly McNerney]

Stop it.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And we just sat there in their living room and looked at them, and it was weird. And eventually they got up and left and we just claimed the home. Yeah, it's our home now and we live there now.

[Molly McNerney]

We can do hard things.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah, look at us.

[Molly McNerney]

Okay, so back. Let's just stay on track for one second. We go home. I know you guys will appreciate this as mothers. We go home and our kids are there and we realize they have no idea what's going on. And we had to do that thing that parents do so well, which is just immediately put on a mask. And we did very well and asked them, how was soccer today? And what's the funniest thing you heard at school today? And we were just trying to make conversation with our children, but meanwhile our phones are just bzzz, bzz, bzzz, bzz the whole time in our pockets and there's helicopters over our house and madness outside. And Jimmy said, well, we're gonna have to tell them because our daughter's in fifth grade and kids talk. And so we sat them down on the couch and we told them. We said, I believe Jimmy started the conversation. And we realized in that moment that any other time we've sat them down to talk about something, I guess it's been good because Jimmy said, we want to talk to you guys about something. And Jane, our 11 year old, went, oh my gosh, Julie, they have to talk to us about something. And she's like, get in here, get in here. And I think the last time we had done that, we surprised them with Disneyland or something. So they seemed like it was going to be good. And it occurred to me, oh boy, this is not going to be good. And Jimmy let them know. He said, my show has been suspended. And our daughter immediately burst into tears. And she said, I'll sell my labubus. And we told her, yeah, you should. No, we did not. We told her, no, you don't need to do that. You don't need to sell the boo boos. And our son asked if the president had done this. And we looked at each other and we didn't quite know how to answer that question.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I think I said yes.

[Molly McNerney]

We did. We actually both said yes at the exact same time. We said, yes, he did. And it's weird, you know, Cause you don't want your kids to.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It's certainly not an experience I had with my parents in Las Vegas.

[Amanda]

Having to sell your labubas, you mean we are.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I didn't even have any, you know, we had to just. Dirty Cabbage Patch Kid. That was it. I think it was bought used.

[Amanda]

That's so weird though, because your kids are like the President is targeting our family.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah. It's funny, though, because our daughter has this idea that when I retire, she's going to take over the show. We've never said this to her. We don't know where she got it. She has three other siblings. Two of them are actually adults.

[Molly McNerney]

One of them works here. Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

More qualified to take over if it was indeed a family business that you could hand down to your kids.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. It's like. Yeah, she was losing her show.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

She felt as if she'd been somehow suspended.

[Molly McNerney]

Yes.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I'd ruined it. I'd ruined it for her.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. She was very disappointed. And then to calm her down, you know, he said, we're okay. We're going to be fine. You know, it's going to be okay. This does not change your life. Doesn't change your friends, doesn't change the memories you make. We're gonna be okay. And we really. Jimmy and I think really both believed that night the show was never coming back. And then.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

So we were lying.

[Molly McNerney]

So we were lying. But it does. Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And then I went over to the pantry and ate everything in it.

[Molly McNerney]

That's all so true. And I said to Jane, I said. And Billy, I said, I want you guys to know that it's really important you remember this moment. And I want you to remember this, that your dad and his show are on the right side of history. I want you to remember that. And my daughter very earnestly paused and she said, I thought we were on the left.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

They're very literal children.

[Molly McNerney]

Very literal children. And I said, well, we can be both. We can be on the right side of history and also on the left. That was a confusing explanation. Yeah. And then the next several days were truly the wildest of our lives, I think.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, it was. It was up there.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, it was up there. It was up and down. It was all over the place. But I think what really got us through were, well, people like you who constantly reached out with support and love. And then to watch the support of strangers was the most touching, I think.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And weed, also.

[Molly McNerney]

A lot of weed.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

A lot of weed.

[Glennon Doyle]

We didn't do hard things. Yes, we do hard things.

[Abby]

I don't do weed. Hard things.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

We do hard things by chewing soft things.

[Abby]

Yes.

[Glennon Doyle]

You guys, what were the following days like? And was it as heartwarming to see the entire world? That was amazing, the support.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

I cried.

[Glennon Doyle]

I cried day after day after day. Just reading the stories and the support. Did that sink in? Must have been the best of times and the worst of Times.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah, it was, it was nice. It was great. It was also so strange that it was hard to even process. I think it's just weird. You know, the whole thing is weird. You know, just being on television is weird. And having people you don't know think they know you is weird. And it's all like something that we become accustomed to, but it's not normal and it doesn't make any sense really. But you understand it because, you know, you feel that same way about. I may have felt that same way about David Letterman when I was a kid, but to, you know what it is, I focus. I tend to focus on the negative. For me, for me, I felt like, like, like we'd lost the brakes on a 16 wheeler and we're headed downhill and I was just trying to, you know, not drive it off the road. So there were a lot of telephone calls and there was a lot of. It's kind of strategizing and just general nervousness. Yeah, I don't even like being on the phone. That alone was a big negative for me, so. But it was great to get support, but you just didn't know what the next kind of chapter was going to be. So like, looking back, it was like, okay, well, you know what, that, that worked out okay. And I feel like it was the most important thing I think is like a win for free speech, you know, And I feel like that had been a long time in coming since we'd had a win of any kind. And I think it, it think it, it reminded people that we can win every once in a while and that it is good to keep fighting. But just personally it was very confusing. You know, we got a lot of people that we work with and we wanted to, you know, they have to work, they have to have jobs and everybody wanted to know what was going on and they had a right to know what was going on. But there were certain things that we couldn't tell them and it was, it worked out great in the end. But while it was happening, it was, it's, you know, it's always different when it's happening. And when it was happening, it was very, very stressful.

[Molly McNerney]

Very. I will say it did feel overwhelming to see the outpour of love and support. And I really think that that's like when Jimmy said it felt like a 16 wheeler without the brakes. It did feel that way for a long time. And then it suddenly felt like, whoa, we're being lifted on a wave now and this is kind of out of our control. And I felt Good about riding the wave. I felt good about the way it was going to land. And I think that's all because of the outpouring of love from people. But it was also a very isolating experience. I mean, I did not speak to a single other human outside of Jimmy for four or five days. Even. My big brother called me. And then I just burst into tears. I was like. I hadn't talked to another person because I was just scared. I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what was happening, and I didn't want to say the wrong thing. I didn't want to mislead anybody. I. I didn't want to scare people. I didn't know what to say. So I was just talking. We were in our little foxhole together, which it was a good place to be, but it was definitely isolating. And it felt weird to literally hear from every single person that we knew and have known. I mean, Jimmy was getting texts. I didn't realize how many people you give your phone number to, by the way. Like, every person who's ever driven us to the airport and drivers. Like a guy in Nashville, people. I'm like, you gave your phone number to all. You give your phone number to way too many people. But, like, he was getting texts from. I mean, I had, like, a thousand text messages. He had, like 10,000. I mean, it was weird.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It was funny when I get a text from somebody, and then I'd have to go, all right, well, let me read these other texts and see how I know this person. And, like, honestly, there were probably a dozen drivers that I've had in various cities. That.

[Abby]

That is so sweet.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

But it's nice, you know? It was nice.

[Molly McNerney]

Can I tell you a funny. A little side note about that night? It's a sweet thing that we haven't even talked about. So that night, there was a man sitting in the audience. His name is Moises, and.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Oh, yeah, Moises. Yeah.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. We. It sinks. He didn't get to see the show. Jimmy connects with everybody everywhere he goes. And we were in Mexico once, and once again, he gave his phone number to the waiter at the restaurant. At this restaurant, Right.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

He started as the waiter, and then we complimented him to the owner of the hotel. And the next time we came back, he was the manager, right? Moises.

[Molly McNerney]

Moises, yes. And then Moises was looking for some help for getting a work visa in the United States.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Right.

[Molly McNerney]

And he asked.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I wrote Moises a letter. Yeah.

[Molly McNerney]

Yes, you wrote a letter on his.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Behalf, which now wouldn't necessarily help him.

[Molly McNerney]

That's right. At the time, it would not help him at all, actually.

[Glennon Doyle]

No.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Now it would probably rule him out entirely. But at the time, it was.

[Glennon Doyle]

A few people are asking for letters from Jimmy right now for the administration.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

That's the one. The silver lining is I don't have to write as many letters.

[Molly McNerney]

Definitely not. But as I was running between Jimmy's office, he had just given the news, and I was running to the theater to let our audience department know. You need to release the audience, and then we need to let the guest go. I see a familiar face standing there, and it's Moises. And I was like, what? Hi. What's. And I had forgotten. Jimmy told me. He's like, oh, he's coming. He wants to thank us for writing. He got into the United States and he was coming to the show that night. And then he couldn't. He couldn't. Of course. Of course he couldn't come to our show. Right. But there's just a lot of moments like that that were a lot of.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Moist moments, but a lot of moments.

[Molly McNerney]

Where you've given your phone number to way too many people. Yeah. Anyway.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah.

[Abby]

I just think it's actually so important to note that we didn't know at the time, like, what was going to happen. You were probably planning the potential of needing to sue everybody. And I just, like, want to say that, like, even, like, the representation, like, the symbol of what you and Molly and the entire crew of yours is for the world, I can imagine how stressful that must have been. Wondering, well, what if they don't let my show back on the air? What are the repercussions? And, like, I just want to say. And, like, hold space because we live in California and that's what we say in California for you and Molly, for, like, carrying the possibility of needing to stand up and speak the truth that needs to be spoken. Like, granted, it, like, worked itself out without needing to go nuclear.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

How.

[Glennon Doyle]

How do you guys handle things differently? Like, I just. How do your nervous systems. I just. I need you to understand if there's like, eight comments that are mad at me, I can't fucking sleep for night. Like, how do you have amazing therapists? Is it weed? Like, how do you. You've been doing this? Like, what everyone needs to know is also, you guys have been. This did not just start that day. You all have been a symbol for Maggie to go after. You have been some of the only people who are holding the line for sanity and truth publicly for a Long time. So what is that, like, on a daily basis? And how do you handle it differently?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Well, we do handle it very differently. I'm kind of like, you know, when a police officer has seen a lot of dead bodies and eventually he becomes desensitized to it. So I'm not quite as. You know, I get a lot of negativity thrown my way, and I try not to unless it's somebody I respect. I don't sweat it. You know, I don't let it get to me. I don't love it, but I just brush it aside and I don't seek it out. Certainly not. Being on Twitter has been a big help because I find that the people on Instagram and YouTube are a much kinder bunch in general. So people being off Twitter has been very helpful, but I just take a very practical approach to situations like this. I'm like, all right, what do we have to do? Who do I have to talk to? What do I have to check in with? And how are we going to handle this? I think Molly's more emotional. Would you say that's fair?

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, definitely. I'm more emotional, a little. I'm definitely more.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

She gets madder.

[Molly McNerney]

I get really mad. I get emotional. I get easily rattled. But I will say, this experience, I don't want to compare the two. It feels weird, too. They're not the same, but similar to our son having an open heart surgery when he was three days old, it was like we're in it together, which just brought an immediate calm for me, that we had each other and we were going to get through it together. Differently, but together. And there's a. Like, something about that just made me feel really calm, like having. Being in the trenches with you, that was much worse.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

What, that one?

[Molly McNerney]

Of course. No, of course, of course. I don't mean to be comparing the two tragic events, but they each had the same comfort for me in partnership, and that helped get me through. But I'm definitely more emotional. I get my feelings hurt much easier. I get angry, but I've gotten thicker, thicker, thicker skin each time, which almost makes me sad, you know, Like, I don't want to be desensitized by these things, but you kind of have to to survive. Yes.

[Glennon Doyle]

Amanda, can you tell them what you were telling me about all the comedians in all the countries that smart stuff you were saying before?

[Amanda]

I'm just so interested in how power consolidators who want to go after free speech always start with the comedians. You know, in. In 1939, the Nazis kicked out the five most. Just expelled them. The five most popular comedians at the time in, you know, Putin incarcerated the most popular comedians and gave the network over to a pro. Putin, oligarch, Hoover's FBI exiled, forced Charlie Chaplin in exile. And it's just like kind of a go to move. And so I've just been so curious.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

What your take is on what is.

[Amanda]

So powerful about comedy, that power comes to it first and for it first.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Well, I think nobody likes to be laughed at, and I think that being laughed at, it's. It's the hardest thing for people like Donald Trump to deal with because it shows that you. It shows, you know, you're. You're not taking them seriously. You're. You're pushing their buttons and you're not scared of them, even if you are scared of them a little bit. But I think that it. It's also, I think, a big mistake. I think it's for a dictator. Not that I want to give him any tips. People, really, if there's one thing we understand on both sides, if you want to put it that way in this country, it's that, I mean, I think Donald Trump got elected in large part because people felt that comedians were being pressured and censored. And it was kind of like, hey, I think this is funny, and you're making me feel like a jerk, and you're saying that this comedian that I like can't say this. That makes me laugh. And it really hits home with people in a deeply personal way and I think in a historical way as well. We all grew up hearing these stories about Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor and George Carlin and Howard Stern more recently, where the government got involved in their comedy and just, nobody likes that. It doesn't matter which side you're on. Nobody likes that. And I'd always want. Wondered because I anticipated that this day would come, and I always wondered and hoped that my colleagues on the right would defend the principle, if not some people like me, some people don't, whatever. But I think that being a comedian, there's a bond there for sure, and it may even be a stronger bond than being an American in a lot of ways, because you do understand each other. You know how hard it is to walk out on a stage by yourself and make people laugh. And no matter what you're doing, it's hard, you know, even if you're doing it in the cheapest possible way, it's not easy. And if it was, we'd. You'd see a lot more comedians than There are. So I was heartened to. To get support from people that I don't usually get support from. And I always felt that if the situation was reversed, I would feel the same way. And I think a lot of false comparisons have been made to other situations, other comedians, high profile comedians who've, you know, been canceled, if you want to use that word, whether it's a literal or figurative word. And. But there. It's not the same thing. It's in no way the same thing as the head of the FCC threatening the broadcasters who put your show on the air, threaten them and suggest that they might pull their licenses in a very overt way, in the stupidest possible way on television, on camera, for all to see. It's just. It's remarkable that this person even still has his job. It's just crazy to me. When you have Ted Cruz on your side, you know, they've screwed up.

[Amanda]

Did any part of you.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Did any part of you.

[Amanda]

And I understand you have the whole crew and it's beyond yourselves and your.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Sense of responsibility, but when they came back and wanted you to put. Wanted you to come back, did any part of you want to tell them.

[Amanda]

To pound sand like a little part of you?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Absolutely. I mean, this. Listen, if, If. If I'd not been allowed back on the air, and I would be a. I'd be a martyr. You know, it's. It's. It's not a terrible position to be in as a comedian. You know, it's. It's. It's not the position I wanted to be in, and it's also not the way I wanted the show. You know, I've been doing this show for almost 23 years. It'll be 23 years in January. And, you know, I want to. I want to end the show on. On my terms. I want to end it in a graceful way. I want. I want to. I want to. I want to have a farewell party with our staff. I want to, you know, do all those things that, you know, I want to say the things that I want to say to people. And to just have it happen abruptly and unjustly would have been awful. You know, it just. It's just not how you want it to go.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. That was an interesting, like, wave, I think we both felt was mourning, like, right after because we felt like we weren't coming back and we didn't have a shot to write our ending the way we wanted to.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah. And to say goodbye, really. You know.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Molly McNerney]

And we left her. We didn't know if we were gonna see people again, it was a very strange feeling.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And the audience too, not just our staff, but also like the people who watch the show. You know, you don't. It's just like one day you're on and the next day you're not. And that's not what I, I imagined or wanted. So I was hoping that we would, we would come back. And I think that, I think that was probably the intention the whole time. You know, I mean, we weren't fired. We were, you know, we were suspended. And I think suspended means come back, but it just didn't feel like that, that to me at the time.

[Molly McNerney]

But I will say also, I really love getting under his skin. No, I know you agree in that. Taking a little bit of pleasure in it. When we see that it's bothering him, it brings us a little bit of joy because it feels like we're one of the only ones who are getting in there and. And he hates it so much that he has to respond. And I love that.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It's so childish to respond.

[Molly McNerney]

It's like just complain privately. Like it's so like we don't need to know every thought you have about us. And it's kind of wonderful that he shares that. I mean, it's dangerous for us, but it also to me means we're doing the job well.

[Amanda]

Yeah, it's almost romantic.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

He's like really into you.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, totally.

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Molly, what is it? This is random, but I think about it all the time with you guys. Like, you come from a pretty conservative family.

[Molly McNerney]

Yes.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Right.

[Glennon Doyle]

I just.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Not me. But Molly.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

No, not you.

[Glennon Doyle]

And I just wonder, like, what is Thanksgiving? It's one thing to come from a conservative family and just sort of, you know, deprogram yourself and go along your life, but what is it like to come from a conservative family and then become like the Mockingjay of the other side?

[Molly McNerney]

Well, it's definitely been challenging. Thankfully, my immediate family all, they did not vote for Donald Trump. They did the first time. A few of them, we flipped them the second time. It's weird. When Donald Trump was first elected, I was so upset. We all were. But I remember thinking, I understand it because I grew up in a very conservative Republican house. I mean, I bought my dad a Rush Limbaugh tie in high school. I voted Republican straight ticket, and that's what I was told to do. And then I left St. Louis, Missouri, and I met people from different backgrounds, and I started to understand different things and different needs and different people. And so there's like a little bit of sympathy I have for people in my family that I feel are kind of being deliberately misinformed every day. And they've kind of, they are deliberately being misinformed every day. And they believe it. But it hurts me so much because of the personal relationship I now have where my husband is out there fighting this man. And to me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family. And I unfortunately have kind of lost relationships with people in my family because of it. This is not just Republican versus Democrat for me anymore. It is to me, it's family values. And it's really hard for me because I grew up believing in these Christian ideals of taking care of the sick and taking care of the poor. And I don't see that happening with this Republican Party. And so I feel like I'm kind of in constant conflict and I'm angry all the time, which isn't healthy at all. But I like personalize everything. Now when I see these terrible stories every day, I'm immediately mad at certain aunts, uncles, cousins who put him in power. And it's really hard. I wish I could deprogram myself in some way, but I get really angry. And I've sent many emails to family, like right before the election saying, I'm begging you, here's the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy. Please don't. And I either got ignored by 90% of them or got truly insane responses from a few. It's definitely caused a strain. I've definitely pulled in closer with the family that I feel more aligned with. And I hate that this has happened. You know, it feels silly. You know, part of me goes, don't let politics get in the way. But to me, this isn't politics.

[Glennon Doyle]

It's.

[Molly McNerney]

It's truly values. And we just, we're not aligned anymore.

[Glennon Doyle]

That's so honest. And I feel like no one has ever said, at least to me directly, the thing that. Because that happens to me too when some, when a headline comes about a certain thing. I get mad at personal people too, I think.

[Molly McNerney]

Really?

[Glennon Doyle]

Yes. Like if there's an anti queer thing that comes out, I. It's like our brains have to focus on people because it's. Otherwise it's just this big boogeyman thing. And so my mind will go to like the four people I know who don't support. I get that.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, I do it. I visualize seven people that I grew up with, loving, like sisters, and I'm immediately mad at them. And it makes me sad.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I have a different way of looking at it.

[Molly McNerney]

I know here he's you guys. Just so you know, this is the. He's gonna steady this. He's gonna like, make me feel kind of bad about it. He's gonna be right. Just so we know he's gonna be right. But I'm not gonna wa. Go ahead.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I just think they're being fed a constant stream of lies. And I think that we live in a country where we were programmed to believe the middle aged white guy on television telling us the news. And fortunately for us, for most of our lives, we had good people in those positions. You know, your Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather and Ted Koppel and Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw who you could genuinely trust and who seem to be educated and honest people. And now they're kind of. There's this cosplay version of it that we see now on Fox News and all these other wannabe Fox News channels that are telling lies for profit. They. They know what pushes people's buttons. It used to be AM talk radio, and now it's tele. And it looks like the news, and they call it the news, and it's not the news. It's not fair, it's not balanced. And these people are ingesting it. And when you ingest enough of it, you start to believe it. And you, you know, maybe they, they touch upon some of your biases and they push certain buttons in you. Things that you believe to be true. And before you know it, you believe everything that you're hearing. And I don't know that. You know, I just feel like if those outlets didn't exist, we wouldn't have this. I think people would evaluate things based on facts, but it's just.

[Molly McNerney]

They have Cousin Molly's Instagram and I give them facts every day, and they just seem to be ignoring them. And that's what bothers me. Okay, so they can watch Fox News all day. But the hard part for me, it's a strange position to be in, is like, you personally know two humans in your life. You are related to our jobs here. We don't tell lies, we tell jokes. But we are literally scouring the news every day, presenting people the facts followed by jokes. And if you can't, why are you. To me, I go, why are you trusting that guy over me? This is Cousin Molly here, guys. Like, I wouldn't lie to you. He's not a good person.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Same thing that we think. Like, oh, she's in Hollywood. She's hearing all this stuff. She means well, but she's not, you know, she's not right. She's wrong. And she's, she's, you know, she's one.

[Molly McNerney]

Of these Hollywood liberals. Yeah, for sure. I had an aunt like send when I moved to LA who gave me a Bible and on the inside said, don't stay in LA long. That's where the devil lives. So that's what I'm dealing with there.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It is not wrong.

[Molly McNerney]

She's not wrong. And now I'm sitting on a couch with him.

[Glennon Doyle]

Do you guys. When you have conversations about this? Because I'm sure it's endless. What do you. What is. Where's the hope? Do you see any. How does this end? Where does this go?

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

What's the hope here?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I think that these ideas, this, you know, listen, this Is a. This is all a con. The whole thing is a con. I mean, you turn on TV and you see the president selling watches. He's selling cheap watches that. That don't seem to actually be made in the usa. And you have to, at some point when that watch arrives and it's a piece of junk, and when he tells you he's going to lower all the prices and only he can solve this problem and that problem and how much better your life is going to be, I think that at a certain point, you. You look around, I think. I feel like it's. It's. It's. It has arrived because his approval ratings are very, historically low. No matter what he said, people are starting to realize, like, oh, I think I might have been conned here. I think, like, these things that I was told aren't. Are gonna. Were gonna happen, aren't happening. You know, I mean, we just saw it with the soybean farmers. It's like, suddenly China's not buying any soybeans from there. Like, hey, what the heck? We. We voted for you, and now we're not selling any soybeans. And he's like, don't worry, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna fix this. And he makes a deal, and they're now back to selling the same amount of soybeans, which wasn't enough to start with. And I think that people are, you know, as. As confused as they may be, as bamboozled as they may be, ultimately, they have to go to the supermarket and buy eggs. And I think that the. The lies only go so far.

[Molly McNerney]

I don't hear a lot of hope there.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Well, the hope. Well, you know, sadly, the hope is that, you know, it's like a drug addict. We're gonna have to hit rock bottom.

[Molly McNerney]

I felt like we already did. I feel like every time we hit rock bottom, it's like, oh, there's more bottom. Oh, wow, there's another floor. Yeah, like, and then they're like, oh, now there's an escalator down. Oh, and now we're on an elevator down.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

But there's gotta be a bottom eventually, right?

[Molly McNerney]

Where. Yeah, I guess I feel like we keep hitting it. But I will say, this experience of this show being suspended and then put back on gave me extreme hope for the first time in a long time.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Same, same.

[Molly McNerney]

And it really felt good. And I feel like I felt united with people, and I felt like, okay, we're getting back to the basic rights that we. Let's start here, and then let's Keep cracking.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I love the protests. You know what I like most of all? I like the, the just, just sporadic protests. Like we're just driving home on Sunday and there are 40 people with signs standing on the street corner. It's like, oh, this isn't even the no Kings march. These people were just mad and decided to go out on the, on the street today in la, where almost everyone agrees with them in the first place. I just think that, like, that kind of action is really indicative that people are ready to, you know, we anesthetize ourselves with all the things that we have to look at. And, you know, sometimes like, you feel like hitting the like button is that's your, that's your political activity for the day. But when people go, hey, I'm gonna make a sign and go out in front of my, front of my supermarket and march, that's a big deal. That's. I mean, that's a big deal.

[Glennon Doyle]

Did you see the pictures from no Kings were amazing. And of course there wasn't as much coverage as there should have been. Just millions and millions and millions of people everywhere. But the one that made me so emotional, did you guys see the one woman, I think in South Carolina, in.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

This very small town, she was by herself.

[Molly McNerney]

Yes.

[Glennon Doyle]

She did her own no Kings protest. Had an anti fascism poster and she.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Was like heckled all day. And she just stood there by herself.

[Glennon Doyle]

With her little sign. It makes me emotional every time I think about it.

[Molly McNerney]

I love that. It was a very powerful imagery.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I didn't see that, but I love that idea.

[Glennon Doyle]

So beautiful.

[Molly McNerney]

People like that give us hope, right?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I love meeting a really old person who's very mad. You know, I love that.

[Molly McNerney]

I like meeting a young person who's really mad.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah, that's good too.

[Molly McNerney]

That's all really good.

[Amanda]

Those things are real good. The middle aged mad, I'm like, get rid of them.

[Glennon Doyle]

But God, old mad people and young mad people. You're right. That's so inspiring. Both of those, I think it's gonna take.

[Amanda]

I think why it was so hopeful is exactly what you said, Jimmy. It's like the people over here who will disagree with you 99 times out of 10, and the people over here who love you were both like, this is fucked up. Like, there's. I feel like there's whatever, you know, that, that comedy thread of we have principles that go deeper than opinions and we have values that go deeper than opinions. It's like if we could reassess, establish that for American values, for family values, for like, no this is deeper than opinions. This is like, where is the thing that's that. That we can hold on to? And that's why it was so hopeful, because it was like, you know, maybe I don't like that guy, but I will stand up and say that this is horseshit and he should be allowed to say what he wants. You know, I.

[Glennon Doyle]

It's.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

It's that piece that we're missing.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah, we touched the third rail finally.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yes.

[Molly McNerney]

That's what's frustrating for me, too, is because when I think about my family members who voted for Trump, I know for a fact that we agree on 80% of the issues. I know that. I know that they think women should have reproductive freedom, and I know that they think that we shouldn't have access to AR15s. I know they know. They agree with me. But then they don't vote in the same way because they've been told that we are voting for this party is something that it's not. And we've been perhaps told voting for that party is something that it's not. But I feel like we're not actually, like our vote is not matching what we really want for this country. I really believe, I firmly believe that, like, you look at, like, 80% of the country wants the same stuff when it comes to universal health care, gun safety and reproductive freedom, but yet we're electing people who aren't representing our voice.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Well, yeah, it's because we're. Because these corporations have. There's no limit to how much money they can pump into a candidate. And you see all these guys, all these cowards, these, these CEOs, these famous people who are all over Biden. And then as soon as Biden wasn't president anymore, they're all over Trump and they'll be back to the other side when the other side is in charge. And it's just, it's all. It's a ruse to. To make as much money as they possibly can. And eventually I think that's going to come back to bite them in the ass also. I just don't think people are thinking in the long term and that the greater good is more important than individual good for the individual.

[Abby]

Yeah, agreed.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Just we look at, you know, what we do to the. The climate is like, you know, it's like, hey, I can make some money. I can make a little bit more money if I burn as much fossil fuel as I possibly can. It's like, oh, that's great. It's gonna be really hot and you're not gonna have water, like, you know.

[Molly McNerney]

Trick or treating in a bikini.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Your grandchildren are going to be living in a hellscape because you made a little bit more money this year. And I just don't. I think that we're going to, as a society, going to look back at this time and we're going to be really angry at the people that made those decisions. All of us, not just, not just the left, all of us are going to look back and go, what the hell did these people do to us? Things were going pretty good on this planet, and now look at where we are.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It's really, it's, you know, it's hard not to feel defeated. It really is.

[Glennon Doyle]

Mm.

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[Glennon Doyle]

I. I have to imagine that you do this because Abby and I do this nightly. And I just think, do you guys dream of a life, like, of setting off into this? Like, we dream every night of, like, we're going to buy a farm or a ranch and we're going to be a million miles away from everyone.

[Amanda]

Tell them what you're going to call your ranch.

[Glennon Doyle]

The homo stead. Obviously, we don't know how to, like, do animals or flowers or whatever people we can learn. But the point is.

[Abby]

Or flowers, crops, vegetables.

[Amanda]

Yeah. A lot of heavy duty ranchers out.

[Glennon Doyle]

There with their flowers, their peonies. My point is, do you.

[Amanda]

What do you.

[Glennon Doyle]

What's your fantasy for getting the. Out of the situation you're in now?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I'm not for getting the fuck out. I'm. I'm for fighting. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I just don't think that Way I like, I put up a flag on the 4th of July at my house.

[Molly McNerney]

You know, he also wears Crocs. They have American flags and a tank top with an American flag.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I'm not giving that up. That's not theirs. It's all of ours.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, he is not a runner at all.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah, it was funny because I got Italian citizenship. And of course the narrative in the news was that I was fleeing the country. And you know, of course everybody had a thought and opinion on that and none of it was true. My mom got Italian citizenship and then as a result, her children and grandchildren got Italian citizenship. But, you know, the narrative is. The narrative is like, oh, these liberals freeing the. Fleeing the country. Whatever. I will never flee the country. That's, you know, that's the very last thing that I will do. I'm not interested in. In giving up.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, I mean, I do have a fantasy of not ingesting such toxic information all day, every day.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

You guys know how hard it is to run a farm and a ranch, though. I mean, it is. It seems like. It seems like a vacation. And anyone who actually has a ranch or a farm would be like, are you fucking kidding me?

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah, I watched Yellowstone and then I changed my mind.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Thanks.

[Glennon Doyle]

It's sort of violent.

[Amanda]

These people are very good looking, though.

[Glennon Doyle]

They were great to visit.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah. You have to know how to fix barbed wire.

[Glennon Doyle]

I did know that.

[Molly McNerney]

No, thanks.

[Glennon Doyle]

It wasn't a perfect plan, Jimmy.

[Abby]

I prefer a lake.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

A lake? Yeah, that's what I.

[Molly McNerney]

Okay.

[Glennon Doyle]

A branch of still water.

[Molly McNerney]

I think that's nice. Start at a lake house.

[Amanda]

I love that, Jimmy, because I think that is like, you can get. It's so depressing. And then when I think about how depressing the vast majority of American history has been, it's uplifting because it's like, look, this has always been a shit show. It just depends where you were sitting. And if the people in, you know, the people on the Trail of Tears, guess what? They're still here. They are still here. They are still fighting. They are still doing their part. The people who are at the lunch counters and who fought in the Union army for their rights and then were disenfranchised right after that sucked. And they're still here and they're still fighting. They're just Americans. And it just feels like it's our turn. This is our turn.

[Molly McNerney]

This is what we do. Show up and hate you.

[Amanda]

Do your part.

[Molly McNerney]

I'm too weak. And you know what? I just. I'm mad. I get mad because I go It's. This is. Why. Because this is optional. All of this is, like, optional. And it doesn't have to be like this.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

That's what I. That's what really bothers me.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And every time, like, inflicting harm on our.

[Molly McNerney]

Like, doesn't have to have enough problems. Right.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

That we need to solve real.

[Molly McNerney]

Like, let's. Let's solve pediatric cancer. Let's figure out the climate. We're fighting over whether women can have rights. Like, what are we doing? Like, that should be a given.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Like, remember when we were mad about those lime scooters?

[Abby]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It's just funny to think about some of the things that we thought, like, oh, people taking selfies was like, oh, these goddamn selfies.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Like 10 years ago, our problems were. I guess it's important to remember that and to appreciate how silly are. You know, we can get worked up about anything, I guess. Yeah. But now we have to get worked up about things that are real things.

[Molly McNerney]

But also, they don't have to be there. Like, every time I go to a fundraiser and we all. We do a lot of fundraising and donating to candidates and causes, I go, of course I'm gonna give this, but I'd rather be giving it to Children's Hospital right now, which, like, why? And I'm giving money so I can make sure this woman who should definitely be elected gets elected. Like, what are we. Duh. Of course this woman should win. Why are we voting for this clown? And I get resentful of the amount of energy we all have to push forward so we don't keep falling back. Or I'm like, can we just keep going this way? And we just keep getting yanked back and yanked back back. And I get really resentful of people in my life that I feel like put us there. And that's where I need to work on my anger.

[Glennon Doyle]

Molly, I hope you don't work on it too much, because I just feel like as much as Jimmy's steadiness is comforting and helpful, your Molly. Mad, mad Molly is equally comforting.

[Molly McNerney]

Okay, good. Well, I'm here for you anytime you need mad Molly, you just get mad Molly.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And Jimmy, the sarcastic asshole.

[Glennon Doyle]

Exactly. And you guys. Thank you, Jimmy.

[Molly McNerney]

Just steady.

[Glennon Doyle]

I don't know why we were talking about this. Why did you. When you guys were neighbors and when you moved here, you DMed us, right?

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

You.

[Molly McNerney]

First of all. Hold on one sec. Let's just go back before the DM happened. I had a full freak out seeing both of you guys outside.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah. Like, oh, yes, it was. This was quite.

[Molly McNerney]

Really embarrassing. Now, I want to remind you that I've worked at this show for 23 years, and we have, I've, I think, met every possible celebrity and political figure. Unfazed. I am on a walk. I see you, too. And I just became undone. I didn't know what to do. I went, oh, hi, Glennon, Abby. Hi. Hi. And then I did a thing that I never do, which I identified myself as Jimmy's wife, which was so gross.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I prefer it.

[Molly McNerney]

I said, hi, I'm Molly. And then you're like, who the hell's Molly? And I'm Jimmy Kimmel's wife. And I wanted to die. And then I said. And then I said, I can see your house from my house. And then I was like, whoa, stop talking. And then I came running home to you, and I said, oh, my God. I just saw.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I made an idiot out of myself.

[Molly McNerney]

Glennon and Abby. I made an idiot out of myself. You have to fix this. DM them on Twitter, whatever it was. I was like, you have to fix this. And so he reached out to you. I made him reach out to you guys. I'm like, I've ruined it. I said, I could see their house. I was like, I was a disaster.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

How scary is that?

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, I could see right in your window. Yeah, totally.

[Glennon Doyle]

It's me.

[Molly McNerney]

How was that bagel this morning? Yeah. And I never believed he DM'd you.

[Glennon Doyle]

Jimmy DM'd us out of, like, just wanting to get to know us. I just didn't believe that.

[Molly McNerney]

No.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Steady.

[Molly McNerney]

Jimmy was like, all, fixed this. I'll fix this. And so he DMed you guys, and you were so nice. So now take it from there. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I need to give you the backstory in the dm.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

I messed it up. I'm so glad.

[Glennon Doyle]

Okay, so that makes sense. So then Jimmy DM'd us. And he said. And I think, I hope I'm getting this right, but he said, you are right. Hey, it's Jimmy Kimmel.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

We could look it up. For sure.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

For sure.

[Glennon Doyle]

We could. It's Jimmy Kimmel. We're your new neighbors, so we can find you. Can you hang a purple sheet outside of your door? Which was fucking weird. But we had just moved to la. Everything was weird. Okay? I had people sending me their dietary restrictions coming to my house. I wasn't even gonna feed them. I had people just. Things were happening that were weird. So I just thought, this is why.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

The crowd back in St. Louis won't vote for.

[Glennon Doyle]

Exactly.

[Molly McNerney]

Totally Dietary restrictions. Totally.

[Amanda]

The devil lives there. So you have to put on a purple sheet.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

That'll keep them warm.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yes.

[Molly McNerney]

Jimmy, you need to explain yourself.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I was just joking. I don't remember exactly what I said, but I know I was joking. And also, our view of your house is not of your front door. It's from the back of your house. So when you then did indeed hang out, which I didn't know until you told me, we didn't even see it. And it must have made it even more confusing.

[Molly McNerney]

How weird for them.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I will also add, while we're embarrassing Molly, that, oh, no, I have suggested that we invite you over for dinner about 40 times, and each time, she's not ready for it. And then finally, on the 4th of July, I think I caught her at a weak moment.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, for America.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

And. But, yeah, there were. It was like. Each time, it was like. Like the house wasn't clean enough or. Yeah, there was some reason why it couldn't happen.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, he's right. I also know I never want to. You know what it is? I never want to put people out. I. Like, I know how busy you guys are, and I can only imagine the amount of invitations and stuff you get. And I also hear, Glennon, you talk a lot sometimes while you don't like to do stuff. And I was like, I don't ever want to make them feel like they have to do something to be our friends. So I try to keep the asks at a minimum.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah, it's not really an ask. It's an invitation.

[Abby]

Yeah, that's different. That's not an ask. Like, an ask is like, hey, I have this thing, a buddy of mine, he wants it signed. Like, that's an ask. Which, by the way, will never do.

[Glennon Doyle]

Molly, I understand so much.

[Abby]

Come over for dinner is different.

[Glennon Doyle]

No, I get it. I feel so stressed to invite people over. I always feel like I should treat people how I want to be treated, so I should just never talk to them if the more I like them. The more I like them, the more I should definitely not ever contact them.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It sounds like just Abby and I should have dinner. Probably.

[Molly McNerney]

Probably you two can cook, too, so you guys can have a nice meal.

[Glennon Doyle]

Well, we did go to your house on the 4th of July, and it was just. You guys surround yourself with so many wonderful, beautiful people. Like, you have a real. I mean, if you guys. I'm trying to explain this to the pod squad. There were, like, 75 people there, all who knew Jimmy And Molly, for decades. They were all, like, family or friends forever. Jimmy was, like, cooking 7 trillion chickens meats by himself, like, just doing it. And there was food everywhere and kids everywhere and love everywhere.

[Abby]

There was a famous chef also that came and. And was cutting up meat, and I was like, must be kind of intense and. And intimidating cooking for one of the most famous chefs in the world. Jimmy just does it, and he's fine. And it was delicious.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yeah, you were so.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah.

[Molly McNerney]

You have no idea. That's the only thing he heard this entire podcast. I'm not kidding.

[Abby]

Delicious.

[Molly McNerney]

He will go home and he'll be like, did you hear, Abby?

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I'm very critical of my cooking. Those chickens came out pretty good.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yeah, they sure as hell did.

[Abby]

I had every single piece of meat you cooked.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I made ribs as well.

[Molly McNerney]

I think that makes me so happy every single time. Jimmy is an incredible host. He really is.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Fourth of July is my favorite holiday, too, so I like to really go. Go big on the Fourth of July.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. And including the attire.

[Glennon Doyle]

Yes.

[Molly McNerney]

He loves a tank top.

[Amanda]

He doesn't love it.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I don't love tank tops. I just like wearing them because they drive you crazy.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. American flag. TikTok. So hot.

[Amanda]

That's what she thought she was getting with this deal.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

I have another thing that I'm obsessed with y' all on is the pranks, and I'm just wondering. My personal obsession was the one where you had the guy that worked with you, and you were. You were. You got his ring camera, so you knew what he was wearing every day, and then you got the other guy. Okay, can you either tell that story or tell us what your most recent prank is? Because this is a new thing I want to bring into my life to. Well, this is have more fun.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I have a continuation of that prank, which now, unfortunately, is a guy named Danny we work with, and he knows about the prank. But it turns out that, like, I've taken a page from Donald Trump. Like, this prank where what we've done is there's a guy named Danny and a guy named Josh. And Danny told Josh that he needs to dress better for work. So what I did is I got an exhaustive list of all of Danny's clothes, photographed all of it, and then ordered duplicates of everything. And then Josh would come into work, he'd check Danny's ring camera, and he'd come into work dressed just like Danny. And it started. Danny's like, what's going. He knew something was wrong. Almost Immediately, he knew something was wrong, but we just kept doing it and acting like it was nothing.

[Molly McNerney]

It was making him crazy.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It was making him absolutely crazy. So what's happening now? Just so you know, we're taping this the night before Halloween, right?

[Glennon Doyle]

Yes.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Okay, so on Halloween tomorrow, we have colluded to find out what Danny's Halloween costume is. Josh has purchased the same Halloween costume and went over to his house to take a picture with Danny's children.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

No.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

So Josh is then going to post that on Instagram and let Danny find it.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Oh, that's.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Danny's gonna lose his mind.

[Molly McNerney]

This is what Jimmy does with his very, very, very, very little.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

You have to make time for things like, yeah, we do.

[Glennon Doyle]

This is how we make it through somehow. This is how we make it through this kind of absurdity.

[Molly McNerney]

I think you're right.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I love it. It makes me so happy. It really does. No matter what's going on, no matter how bad is it. Just when there's something like this happening, when somebody's mad, I'm happy.

[Molly McNerney]

Jimmy got a personalized okay. I wanted to get the black license plate. You know, in Los Angeles, I had a black car. It just looks better than the white one. Than.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I know you own California style.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. And I really want it. And I just don't have. I don't know how. I was like, jimmy. He's like, I'll take care of that for you. I'm like, great, thank you so much. I'll order you a plate.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Great.

[Molly McNerney]

And then several months later, I go, where is this plate? It's not coming. It's not coming. It's not coming.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It took a long time.

[Molly McNerney]

It took a long time. And months later, I walk out to my car one night, and his shoulders are just, like, doing this gentle wiggle. I'm like, oh, no, no, no. What's going on? And I look, and my license plate is now a personalized plate screwed on, that says, we be jammin. I was so mad, but also so proud of him at the same time. And also just, like, the headache of how do I take. Get rid of this? I don't know any idea how to get rid of this? And I said, this is for real. He's like, yeah, it's for real. It's real. Like, this is my license plate. This is my official license plate.

[Abby]

You'll never forget it.

[Molly McNerney]

Drop the kids off at school with a wee bit jamming. License plate. So mad.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It has a history. Because every once in a while, I would get on Molly's phone and comment on all her friends posts. I'd write weed bejammers just out of nowhere. And then they. And they started to learn.

[Molly McNerney]

People would, like, have like, posts about, like, I lost my grandmother.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

No.

[Molly McNerney]

10 years ago today. And he'd be like, hashtag, that's not true. You did. Yeah. No, I didn't.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Well, if I did do it, it was an accident. It's cutting and pasting.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah. Now people knew. They're like, anytime you see we be jamming, you know, Jimmy has gotten on my phone.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Yeah.

[Molly McNerney]

Or on my car. We don't even know where that came from.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I do. It came from the song. It was from, you know that.

[Glennon Doyle]

I know this. Got it.

[Molly McNerney]

Yep.

[Glennon Doyle]

Got it forever, you guys. Oh, God, we love you so much. We want you now to go back to your kids, to your life. Thank you so much for.

[Molly McNerney]

See, that's her way of saying, don't call us. We love you. We love you. Now go back to your life.

[Glennon Doyle]

No, I want you to invite us over. Can you please invite us over to dinner?

[Molly McNerney]

We will, we will.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

When you see us go the other way. You've now bullied us into dinner.

[Molly McNerney]

By the way, the last time we invited you over, the only time, which was fourth of July, Glennon made cookies, brought them, and then brought them home.

[Abby]

Right?

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Is that correct?

[Abby]

Yes, but there's a story behind that.

[Amanda]

You guys, I'm so embarrassed we went over this.

[Glennon Doyle]

No, because I was so embarrassed of them. I hid them. I brought them to their house because I felt like you are a grown up, Glennon, and grownups bring things to other grownups houses. So I said to my daughter, can you please help me? I've never baked cookies before.

[Molly McNerney]

They're gonna be great on the farm.

[Glennon Doyle]

Can you help me? And then she abandoned me that day. So I had to try to make them myself. And they were disgusting and black on the bottom and so burnt. But I still brought them. And then I hid them well at the party, I hid them because why.

[Abby]

Like, when you walk in, there's just, like, food. It was so beautiful and gorgeous and it's all beautifully, like, curated and looking. And I have like a kitchen.

[Glennon Doyle]

It was a kid plate with, like, aluminum foil.

[Amanda]

Whatever happened to a bottle of wine? That's what adults do.

[Abby]

We brought that too. We brought that. We brought wine also. She just wanted to do something with, like, a personal touch.

[Molly McNerney]

Well, you guys, Molly, it was a personal touch.

[Glennon Doyle]

It was better. Better than when my. My first neighborhood potluck, when they sent out a thing where you're supposed to sign up for something. And it said, some people should bring dessert and some people should bring a dish. And so I just brought a dish.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

No.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Wow.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

That's very literal.

[Glennon Doyle]

You know what? Give people some more information. If you want a dish with stuff on it, say that.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Who did you hand it to?

[Glennon Doyle]

The person he was having it. And it just.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

What was the reaction?

[Glennon Doyle]

It wasn't great, Jimmy.

[Amanda]

I'll tell you what. It was better than her other thing. Once she learned to make cucumber rolls.

[Glennon Doyle]

Asparagus rolls.

[Amanda]

Asparagus rolls. But then she brought asparagus rolls to every single thing for five years. We had to do a family intervention and be like, no more spare kettles.

[Molly McNerney]

That's funny.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It's a good title for a book. No more spare.

[Abby]

When we were leaving your guys, July 4th party, she looks at me and she goes, I gotta take these. I can't leave these. I can't leave these here for somebody to eat and be like, ugh, what are those? And so I took a video. Cause I was like, this is ridiculous. And I took a video of Glennon taking them with her.

[Glennon Doyle]

I think your mom was there, Jimmy. And she was like, what are you doing? And I was like, I just trust you. I'm just gonna tell you.

[Molly McNerney]

Oh, that's great.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

My mother's a cookie lunatic. Also.

[Molly McNerney]

She is an incredible baker, so that's even funnier that she watched.

[Glennon Doyle]

Anyway, we'll do better.

[Amanda]

Check her cookies up. She's like, if they wanted me to leave the cookies, they should have been more generous.

[Molly McNerney]

I say play to your strengths. Don't bake if you can't. You know, just bring your personality.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Asparagus rolls.

[Molly McNerney]

Yeah, we do.

[Glennon Doyle]

She would.

[Molly McNerney]

She would.

[Amanda]

Roll out that white bread, cut off the crust, put some asparagus in there, roll those bad boys up.

[Glennon Doyle]

I took a class. Okay? I did. I took a night class to learn that.

[Amanda]

No, that's not true.

[Glennon Doyle]

That can't be true. Amanda, your mom and I. My mom took a class to learn how to make something to bring to a party, and we learned asparagus rolls. That's why I did that for 10 years.

[Molly McNerney]

Oh, that's great.

[Abby]

Got your money's worth out of the class anyway.

[Amanda]

I don't think so.

[Glennon Doyle]

Love to you both. We will see you next time. I promise not to bring anything. Thank you. Thank you for getting us through. Your family is so beautiful and so brave, and we're grateful for you every day.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Well, thank you, guys, for being. For your beautiful words and your kindness. We're delighted to be your neighbors.

[Molly McNerney]

Yes. Put that purple sheet up. We love you.

[Glennon Doyle]

All right, bye. Pod Squad.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

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