Ep 248: Harland Williams

Summary

We Might Be Drunk – Ep 248: Harland Williams

Date: September 8, 2025
Hosts: Mark Normand & Sam Morril
Guest: Harland Williams (with drop-ins by Shane Gillis, Artie Lange, and more)

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes comedian, actor, and director Harland Williams for a riotous, freewheeling discussion about comedy, filmmaking, New York adventures, industry changes, and the unpredictable magic of hanging out with stand-up world notables. The episode is equal parts absurd riffing, candid inside-baseball on movie-making, and reverent comedy shop-talk. Surprise pop-ins by Artie Lange and others add to the loose, hangout feel.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Drinks and Morning Mayhem ([00:06]–[03:20])

• Opening bit: The crew riffs on Harland’s quirky drink combo: Mountain Dew, Ready Whip, and Swiss Miss hot chocolate (“I like to keep winter alive” – Harland, [00:13]) with plenty of breakfast judging and jokes about odd beverage choices.
• Mountain Dew nostalgia: Harland references old Mountain Dew ads: “Remember the old ad, Yahoo. Mountain Dew?” ([01:07]) sparking stories about youthful theft and antics.

2. Comedy Culture, Live Stand-Up, and NYC Stories ([03:20]–[10:59])

• Comedy in NYC vs. LA: Harland shares love for New York, notes rarity of his visits, and Mark offers to help book him a spot at the Comedy Cellar ([09:17]).
• Joking about everything: Signature wild tangents ensue — from WNBA games and dildos smuggled on court ([03:24]) to placenta smoothies and umbilical cord drinks ([11:32]).

3. Comedy Trauma & Taboo Topics ([12:53]–[14:07])

• Peanut butter aversion: Harland, in his signature deadpan, riffs darkly on why he dislikes peanut butter: “When I was 4, my priest molested me while I was eating a peanut butter sandwich.” ([12:56]). The group riffs further, balancing dark with absurd.

4. Kill Tony, Roast Comedy & Panel Warfare ([15:06]–[19:53])

• Harland’s Kill Tony experience:
  • Mark calls Harland “one of the best panel guys.”
  • Harland describes going on Kill Tony with no prior knowledge: “I didn’t know who anybody was… This guy, David Lucas, comes out and starts coming at me. And I’m like, well, this ain’t gonna happen.” ([17:19])
  • The viral video where Harland “destroys someone’s career” is discussed, but Harland clarifies there’s no real animosity.
• Advice for panel shows: “Just have fun. That’s my motto.” – Harland ([15:31])

5. Making Movies: Indie Hustle & DIY Filmmaking ([20:23]–[38:41])

• Harland’s new film, Wingman:
  • Nearly ready for release via direct-to-fans digital platform, inspired by Shia LaBeouf’s model ([20:50]).
  • Movie shot in just 15 days for just over $2 million (with Canadian government grants and private investors) ([38:18]).
  • Candid advice: “If you try and compact everything at the beginning, it’s less painful surgery at the end.” ([26:27])
• Mark & Sam’s movie project:
  • Loosely inspired by their real struggle as liquor salesmen in a sober, vaping new generation ([35:32]).
  • Seeking $3–5M in funding, aiming to shoot in NY or wherever makes sense.
  • Harland stresses need for flexibility: “A big part of it is learning to be able to adjust and adjust on the fly… learning to adapt quickly and move along. It helps” ([37:53]).

6. Industry Changes: Comedy Distribution & The Death of Late Night ([71:04]–[84:00])

• Direct-to-fan era:
  • “If you had just, you know, 10,000 fans download your movie for 10 bucks a pop, that’s like 250 grand or whatever right there… I think fans… would support those movies 100% because they don’t get them in the theaters…” – Harland ([71:04])
  • The group agrees a seismic shift is happening, with podcasts and independent releases replacing legacy gatekeepers.
• Late-night irrelevance:
  • “Now you go to a comedy club, and you never hear it. None of the comics are worried about getting on late night. They're both more excited to get on a podcast.” – Harland ([77:53])
  • Shift from crafting ‘Fallon sets’ to focusing on social media and stand-up specials.
• Conan as lifeboat: Mark notes Conan was scoffed at for jumping to podcasts, but will outlast other late-night hosts ([83:21]).

7. Comedic Memories, Influences, and Losses ([41:08]–[61:01])

• Rodney Dangerfield stories:
  • Harland reflects on their friendship: “Held his hand… Then later that night, he passed away.” ([50:00])
  • Rodney’s undying creativity and warmth for young comics.
  • Shane shares Rodney’s post-surgery joke, delivered while groggy: “Rodney, did you cough anything up? And he goes, yeah, $500 last week to a whore.” ([48:22])
• Unheralded geniuses:
  • Tribute to Montreal’s Sean Keane – “He was a prolific writer… but he was also paranoid about people stealing his stuff and that held him back.” ([53:00])
  • Discuss loss of icons: Norm Macdonald, Patrice O’Neal, Greg Giraldo, Bernie Mac, Mitch Hedberg.

8. Drop-ins and Classic Bits ([27:00]–[34:00])

• Artie Lange & inside-comedy banter:
  • Pop-ins bring a chaotic lunch-table energy; jokes about comedy careers, gigs, and the blend of gritty reality with absurdity.
  • Memorable mention: “You're the dildo on the WNBA court. Yeah. Coming right in.” – Mark ([27:28])
  • Reminiscence about legendary comic bits and infamous viral moments.
  • Plugging upcoming shows and international dates.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Late Night TV:
  • “Now you go to a comedy club, and you never hear it. None of the comics are worried about getting on late night. They're both more excited to get on a podcast.”
    — Harland Williams, [77:53]
• On Comedy DIY:
  • “I think fans of ours… are excited to see us do our own projects. They don’t get them in the theaters… So I think… Wingman can sort of be a platform that works and fans come out and order it.”
    — Harland Williams, [71:33]
• On the gatekeepers falling:
  • “Now I feel like the walls are starting to collapse… we can hopefully get stuff directly to consumers and not have to be at the mercy of these big entities.”
    — Harland Williams, [77:02]
• On panel show combat:
  • “I went out and this guy, David Lucas comes out… and starts coming at me. And I’m like, well, this ain’t gonna happen. You come at me, I’m gonna come back at you.” — Harland, [17:19]
• Rodney’s post-surgery zinger:
  • “Rodney, did you cough anything up? And he goes, yeah, $500 last week to a whore.” — Shane, impersonating Rodney ([48:22])
• Pay for roles you never did:
  • “I got a check for a movie I wasn’t even in… I was supposed to do the voice of a snake, and they ended up giving it to George Carlin. And I still get royalties…” — Harland, [67:35]
• Absurd callbacks:
  • “You can use the umbilical cord as a straw to drink the placenta.” — Harland, [11:51]
  • “That could just close them. It smells like Cracker Barrel Meatloaf.” — Harland, riffing on Mark’s shorts, [02:34]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 00:06 | Opening riff: drinks, breakfast, Mountain Dew nostalgia | | 09:17 | Harland’s thoughts on NYC, booking comedy spots | | 15:06 | Kill Tony, Roast Comedy, panel advice | | 17:19 | Harland vs. David Lucas on Kill Tony | | 20:23 | Harland’s movie ‘Wingman’: financing and indie production | | 35:32 | Mark & Sam pitch their liquor-salesmen movie | | 41:08 | Rodney Dangerfield stories & legacy | | 50:00 | Harland at Rodney’s deathbed, creative persistence | | 53:00 | Sean Keane tribute, dangers of business ignorance | | 71:04 | Direct-to-fan movie sales; demise of gatekeepers | | 77:53 | Death of late night TV, rise of podcasts for comics | | 83:34 | Conan, podcasting, legacy TV metaphor | | 84:35 | Who shouldn't podcast? Obama, celebrity podcasts flop | | Ending | Tour dates & closing banter |

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Final Thoughts & Episode Tone

The episode is warm, loose, irreverent, and candidly insightful about the practical and creative realities of being a modern comedian and indie filmmaker. Absurd gags (placenta smoothies, peanut butter trauma), sharp jabs at the fading old-guard industry, and genuine affection for comedy’s lost legends all come together.

Harland Williams shines as a deadpan raconteur and indie film evangelist, dropping comedy pro-tips as often as he sabotages any moment with absurdity. Mark, Sam, and the drop-in guests bounce between bro hang, thoughtful reflection, and relentless riffing in classic "We Might Be Drunk" style.

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Listeners will come away with:

• Real talk on the new era of comedy production/distribution
• Insider war stories from famous comedy venues and shows
• Unfiltered laughs and plenty of bits you’ll be quoting (“use the umbilical cord as a straw…”)
• An appreciation for the irrepressible energy and unpredictability of the stand-up world

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Recommended action:
Look for Harland’s film “Wingman” on its forthcoming digital release. Catch all the comedians live on their just-announced tours—if you want more unfiltered stories and big laughs, their live shows are the place to be.

Transcript

[Mark Normand]

What do you got here?

[Shane Gillis]

Mountain Dew and hot chocolate.

[Harlan Williams]

Mountain Dew. We got Ready Whip.

[Mark Normand]

What are you, Bart Simpson?

[Harlan Williams]

I always want to be ready. And I got Swiss Miss, hot chocolate. Even though it's the middle of the summer, let's keep winter alive.

[Shane Gillis]

You don't see a lot of gray haired dudes drinking Mountain Dew. Still, I respect that.

[Mark Normand]

You got the same rider as Kevin Spacey?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Wait, what?

[Mark Normand]

Well, he's got a couple of the little boys around.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, gross.

[Mark Normand]

Well, to each his anal.

[Harlan Williams]

Channing.

[Mark Normand]

That's a different actor, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's going on here? Is this your breakfast?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, it's just a little, you know, like to have a something to drink while I chit chat.

[Mark Normand]

All right. Hey, no judge.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Respect it. Yeah, I don't see a lot of Mountain Dew anymore.

[Mark Normand]

No, I don't. That milkshake is the size of the South Tower.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

California is like semi health conscious too, so it's nice to see a Mountain Dew.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Delicious.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Remember the old ad, Yahoo. Mountain Dew?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, yeah, I don't remember that.

[Harlan Williams]

No one says Yahoo anymore either.

[Mark Normand]

That's true. Yeah, that was a website or a search engine.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, but did well.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Yeah, well, we stole beer. We'd yell Yahoo. Yahoo. Did you guys do that?

[Shane Gillis]

Yahoo.

[Mark Normand]

That must have been a regional thing. We're gonna go pull a Yahoo. Meaning like everybody grabs a case of beer at the 7:11 and you go yahoo. And you all run out together. You can't kill all of you. You never did that.

[Shane Gillis]

But they get one of you, they'll get one.

[Mark Normand]

They got my friend Paul. Guy pulled a gun on him.

[Harlan Williams]

What?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, and we were out of there. Never saw him again since.

[Harlan Williams]

Jesus.

[Mark Normand]

No, I'm just kidding.

[Harlan Williams]

You've never had Mountain Dew? Guys, of course I have.

[Mark Normand]

I love Mountain Dew.

[Shane Gillis]

Mountain Dew.

[Harlan Williams]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

Is that your soda?

[Harlan Williams]

I feel like I'm getting a little blowback here.

[Mark Normand]

No, no blowback. Kevin Spacey again. But yeah, enjoy. I want to taste that frothy delight.

[Shane Gillis]

We've reached out multiple times to have Kevin Spacey on the pod.

[Mark Normand]

Love to have you.

[Shane Gillis]

If these people listen to one episode.

[Mark Normand]

I'm a big fan. He's sick. It's warm.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, he's gonna have a sip and then. That's gonna kill him.

[Mark Normand]

I don't want to kill you. A drink, I want.

[Harlan Williams]

No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Go ahead.

[Mark Normand]

You're not gonna drink it.

[Harlan Williams]

I will. Go ahead.

[Mark Normand]

You sure?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, of course.

[Mark Normand]

What if I pour it in my mouth?

[Harlan Williams]

No, that's from Kevin Spacey.

[Shane Gillis]

These shorts are for Kevin Spacey. What the hell are you wearing here? Showing off the yams Here.

[Mark Normand]

Sorry. Riding up.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, these are riding up.

[Harlan Williams]

Looks like Victoria's Secret is out. Holy.

[Shane Gillis]

I know. Look at these fucking legs.

[Mark Normand]

I know. I'm uncut.

[Harlan Williams]

That could just close them. It smells like Cracker Barrel Meatloaf.

[Mark Normand]

That's chicken fried. That is unbelievable.

[Harlan Williams]

You like it? Have another swig. Go for it. I don't mind.

[Mark Normand]

What, do you got laxatives in here? Is there some kind of gag going on? You guys are really smirking.

[Harlan Williams]

You want a swig?

[Shane Gillis]

No, I don't. You don't. You don't want what I have.

[Mark Normand]

This is unreal.

[Harlan Williams]

Have. Have the rest.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, I can't have that. Good. Patrice. Whatever he had, I'll. You'll cut my toe off. I drink that thing.

[Shane Gillis]

You say whatever.

[Mark Normand]

He had diabetes. Yeah, sorry.

[Shane Gillis]

That was a huge mystery. You do the math there.

[Harlan Williams]

I thought you meant he had gangrene or something. Like he was mountain climbing and had to cut his toe off.

[Mark Normand]

They're not all in gangs.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, they're all green.

[Mark Normand]

Those dildos on the quarter green. I'll tell you that.

[Shane Gillis]

It's a ballsy move, I know.

[Mark Normand]

Literally.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, but going through security with a dildo?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, that's true.

[Shane Gillis]

Get busted with it.

[Mark Normand]

Unless you.

[Shane Gillis]

Someone did. Someone got busted, I think.

[Mark Normand]

I think some fat kid. The joke is he's the better shooter because he got it on the court every time. Wow.

[Harlan Williams]

They were throwing dildos on the basketball court?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, the women's basketball. Look at this fat Jesus.

[Harlan Williams]

Who's this now?

[Mark Normand]

He's the guy who threw the dildos on the court.

[Harlan Williams]

Now, is that a guy or a girl? I can't tell anymore. What's going on?

[Shane Gillis]

This is a boy.

[Mark Normand]

I think that's Lena Dunham.

[Harlan Williams]

I'm not even joking.

[Mark Normand]

That's a guy.

[Harlan Williams]

Can we see the top off shot?

[Shane Gillis]

That is a bad look.

[Mark Normand]

That's a bad looking man right there.

[Harlan Williams]

So that is a man. You're not messing with it?

[Mark Normand]

It's a boy.

[Shane Gillis]

He says 16.

[Mark Normand]

Holy. That's a big boy. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

They also banned backpacks and bags in.

[Mark Normand]

WNBA games, so, you know, they couldn't bring dildos in. You know, you're getting the dildos in now. Hey, Harlan.

[Harlan Williams]

How? Strap them on.

[Mark Normand]

Smuggling them up the pooper.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, you could fit a vibrator in a fanny pack. There's ways around it.

[Mark Normand]

That's true. Wow. That's true.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know.

[Harlan Williams]

Could you just like. I Mean, it would be a little morbid, but could you just chop your real thing off and throw it?

[Shane Gillis]

You could.

[Harlan Williams]

That's very similar.

[Shane Gillis]

You're like the Van Gogh of the wnba.

[Mark Normand]

Van Gogh, Van Gong. I think that's what they do in. In parts of Africa.

[Harlan Williams]

They do.

[Mark Normand]

Well, they cut the ladies part off. Although when you throw it, it doesn't make as much of a splash. What the X?

[Shane Gillis]

This is getting dark.

[Mark Normand]

All right, all right.

[Shane Gillis]

This is taking a dark. This is.

[Mark Normand]

Get yourself a.

[Shane Gillis]

What is it, 11:00am this is what we're talking about. Clitoral removal here.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, well, I'm on no sleep.

[Shane Gillis]

No, I'm on no sleep, too, thanks to your little shindig.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Super spreader event, right?

[Shane Gillis]

I'm sweating through the bed.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. It got everybody. I think it's getting me right now.

[Harlan Williams]

Is it?

[Shane Gillis]

I hope it's good. I'm. I was pissed. He comes in all cocky in the Cellar the other night. I'm sweating bullets. He goes, ah. I always dodge a bullet. I'm like, you. I was down for the. I was hanging just because he and Vena were there.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

But I was. I was not in my best shape.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. You seem fine. A good crowd.

[Shane Gillis]

They were a good crowd.

[Harlan Williams]

Good hang.

[Mark Normand]

We had a good time. Good time. That was great, man.

[Shane Gillis]

I watched because I was sick. I watched the whole Billy Joel doc. You see that?

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, that'll make you sick.

[Mark Normand]

You're not a fan of piano.

[Harlan Williams]

His eyes are too big. Like, I. Crazy eyes waking up in the morning and with his big bulgy eyes rolling down the sidewalk on his eyes.

[Mark Normand]

Well, he's. He's more rolling down the sidewalk in his car into a house or motorcycle.

[Shane Gillis]

That's how. Dude, that's how they came up with Big shot. That was. It's hilarious.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

But not big shot.

[Mark Normand]

Shot of moving out.

[Shane Gillis]

You might be right, because he comes home drunk on a motorcycle, and his wife's like, you're a lunatic. And he's like, you may be right.

[Mark Normand]

I may be crazy.

[Harlan Williams]

Was he riding a motorcycle or a piano? Because I thought he was the piano man. Like, I picture him with a leather jacket on, like, sitting behind a piano stool and a Woolitzer or whatever it is and rolling down the highway, like, at 90 with the wind in his hair and a dragonfly on his big bulgy Garfield the cat. Rolly eyes.

[Mark Normand]

I know he's five. Five.

[Harlan Williams]

He's 55.

[Mark Normand]

Well, I think he's older than that.

[Shane Gillis]

Harlan, you're not a great listener.

[Mark Normand]

You're not so what brings you to the city, Big Apple?

[Harlan Williams]

Well, I'm doing Greg Gutfeld show tomorrow.

[Mark Normand]

He just did Fallon.

[Harlan Williams]

And then I'm doing Kill Tony at the sold out Madison Square Garden on Saturday night.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Hey, that's a good one.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Any. Any idea who the big names are going to be? Because he usually brings out some kind of jelly roll or. Oh, Joey Diaz. I don't know, some fat guy.

[Harlan Williams]

I don't have any idea.

[Mark Normand]

All right.

[Harlan Williams]

I was happy to be in New York, by the way. This city. You live here, right?

[Mark Normand]

I do.

[Harlan Williams]

I saw an art heist this morning. I was walking over here, by the way.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, we live here. You're in our studio.

[Mark Normand]

You live here in the studio?

[Harlan Williams]

No. Oh, this is your studio and you live here?

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

Yes.

[Mark Normand]

Ooh, I jerk off right there. See you.

[Harlan Williams]

You do?

[Mark Normand]

Yes. My ready whip. That was me an hour ago. There you go. Oh, jeez.

[Shane Gillis]

What is this, a WNBA game?

[Harlan Williams]

Jesus. But yeah, I saw an art heist. I saw a guy running down the street with a Picasso. What I ran after, I'm like, hey, art thief. Art thief. And it turned out to be a homeless guy with so many stains on his clothes.

[Mark Normand]

That's more of a Pollock. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Let's not add to my joke and wreck it.

[Mark Normand]

All right, Sorry.

[Harlan Williams]

You don't have to art me up.

[Mark Normand]

I think he got framed.

[Harlan Williams]

Whoa, Dr. Dildo Teeth.

[Mark Normand]

What did you just do?

[Harlan Williams]

You leaned over on me.

[Mark Normand]

The joke toppled me.

[Harlan Williams]

Lean back, player.

[Shane Gillis]

I feel like this episode's for. This is like for your son right here, listening. This is like for a child.

[Mark Normand]

We'll play this for special needs kids and see if they get it.

[Harlan Williams]

I just saw you, like, lean over on me like a tree in the wind.

[Mark Normand]

I was happy with the art, the framing.

[Harlan Williams]

Who has seen the wind? Neither you nor I. But when the trees bend down their heads, the wind goes rushing by.

[Shane Gillis]

That was beautiful.

[Harlan Williams]

WO Mitchell.

[Mark Normand]

Thank you.

[Harlan Williams]

And you inspired that because you leaned in on me like a willow tree in a hurricane. Almost.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

You came right in and then kind of whipped back.

[Shane Gillis]

Did you like it?

[Harlan Williams]

That was kind of neat.

[Mark Normand]

I'll do it again later.

[Harlan Williams]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

I'm not going to tell you when she said. There you go. You're going to get up on any comedy shows? Any stand up?

[Harlan Williams]

I might do one. I don't know anybody in this town, really.

[Mark Normand]

I can hook you up.

[Harlan Williams]

You could?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Comedy seller.

[Shane Gillis]

New York comedy runs like four shows.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, yeah. I'd love to go up tonight. Tony said he might have a thing for Me tomorrow. But if there's something tonight, I'd love to.

[Mark Normand]

Okay. But we can get a stand.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, okay.

[Mark Normand]

Somewhere.

[Harlan Williams]

Whatever's good.

[Mark Normand]

All right, I'll shoot a text over.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, thanks, man.

[Mark Normand]

All right.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I don't get to play enough in this city because I'm not here that much.

[Mark Normand]

Do you go up in la?

[Harlan Williams]

I feel like yeah, all the time.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, where do you go?

[Mark Normand]

Where do you go? The Improv.

[Harlan Williams]

The Improv, the store. The Laugh Factory.

[Mark Normand]

I never see. Every week.

[Harlan Williams]

Almost every. Anytime I'm in town. I usually do like two or three nights a week.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, great.

[Harlan Williams]

I love it.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah. You got some new stuff?

[Harlan Williams]

Yup, New stuff. I saw this art heist this morning. No, but I've updated it.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, all right, let's hear it. Boy, you punch quick.

[Harlan Williams]

I saw an art heist outside of the Natural History Museum and I was like, hey, thief, stop. And I caught up to a guy. It was a homeless guy wrapped in the Shroud of Turin.

[Mark Normand]

You're back, right? Yeah. Best punch up guy in the biz right here.

[Harlan Williams]

Right? Just took. Just two minutes ago. It was Picasso. Yeah, but then you pollocked me.

[Mark Normand]

I like pollock as a homeless guy because you get the shit splurts, right? Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Do you like pollock more in the summer or in the spring or the fall?

[Mark Normand]

I guess the full.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Do you have allergies?

[Mark Normand]

No. Okay, but.

[Harlan Williams]

So pollock doesn't affect you.

[Mark Normand]

I get it.

[Harlan Williams]

Sorry.

[Shane Gillis]

I'll shut up.

[Harlan Williams]

You guys asked the question.

[Mark Normand]

No, no, no.

[Harlan Williams]

I didn't mean to. Shut your podcast down.

[Mark Normand]

Shutting it down.

[Harlan Williams]

If this is the last one, I want to say sorry.

[Shane Gillis]

This might be it.

[Harlan Williams]

I think it is. I feel like it might be over.

[Mark Normand]

If you. If you drink that, you're going to. You're going to shut down. This is a lot of sugar here.

[Harlan Williams]

I'm just having this.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, what about that?

[Harlan Williams]

But your formula glides in it, so I'm not touching it after.

[Mark Normand]

You're tired. I think I'm sick. My baby was up all night.

[Harlan Williams]

Maybe.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

How old?

[Mark Normand]

Six months.

[Harlan Williams]

Still covered in placenta or clean.

[Mark Normand]

I cleaned it and drank it.

[Harlan Williams]

The placenta.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Like a shake.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

That's why we all got stick at this party. We were chugging the placenta.

[Mark Normand]

Ooh, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Did you eat the umbilical cord?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, he garnished with garnish in the drink.

[Mark Normand]

And the foreskin?

[Harlan Williams]

You can use the umbilical cord as a straw to drink the placenta. And then you get all the. And if you just eat the whole baby you'll get all the nutrients looking for. You'll really bond with it.

[Mark Normand]

That's true. I'm going to fatten it up and get him big and then kill him.

[Harlan Williams]

Why do you. Why do people drink the placenta?

[Mark Normand]

It's got nutrients, makes you strong iron and fiber.

[Harlan Williams]

You really did this? No, I know a guy that did. He made milk smoothies with his wife.

[Mark Normand]

What? Ah, yuck. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

This is for real.

[Shane Gillis]

I know. It's hard to tell what's real.

[Harlan Williams]

This was for real. This one.

[Shane Gillis]

All right.

[Mark Normand]

Wow. Well, yeah, I put it in a shake and I shake the baby. There it is.

[Harlan Williams]

How old's your. Six months. Huh?

[Mark Normand]

Six months. So. Yeah. Look at that. That looks like.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, it looks good. It looks like. It looks like a berry smoothie.

[Harlan Williams]

You should have those at Dairy Queen.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Well, they'd be like $800.

[Harlan Williams]

Probably like a Peanut Buster baby parfait or whatever.

[Mark Normand]

Are you. Are you a peanut in the peanut butter smoothie guy? Yeah, of course. I love a smoothie.

[Shane Gillis]

Who doesn't like peanut butter?

[Mark Normand]

And not everybody likes it.

[Harlan Williams]

I don't.

[Shane Gillis]

So what don't you like about peanut butter?

[Harlan Williams]

When I was 4, my priest molested me while I was eating a peanut butter sandwich.

[Shane Gillis]

That makes sense. Actually. That's a good reason.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Geez.

[Shane Gillis]

Did he. Did he use the peanut butter to molest you or just while you were eating it?

[Harlan Williams]

Both.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

That's pretty nutty. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Whoa.

[Shane Gillis]

That was not the time for a commerce.

[Mark Normand]

He got raped, dude trauma. I didn't know.

[Harlan Williams]

I didn't get r. I just got molested. Just got sort of molested.

[Mark Normand]

What's the difference?

[Harlan Williams]

Well, he. I was eating it.

[Shane Gillis]

A big R in him when he was getting molested.

[Harlan Williams]

I was eating it and some of it dripped down on my inner thigh and he just rubbed right there.

[Mark Normand]

Was it smooth or chunky?

[Harlan Williams]

It was smooth, but maybe it wasn't a molest. Maybe he was just cleaning it off. But I took it as a molest.

[Mark Normand]

Well, did he use his tongue?

[Harlan Williams]

No.

[Mark Normand]

All right.

[Harlan Williams]

Used a cloth. Like a cloth. And there's. Everyone was in the room and. But I still took it as a molest.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Might as well get it when you can.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Oh.

[Mark Normand]

Well, I'm just saying, you know, you get the victim points if you got molested, you do a one man show. Whoa. Well, you could use that on gut film. Whoa.

[Harlan Williams]

Too soon.

[Mark Normand]

He just did. Fallon. You see that?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. What did you think? Did you like it?

[Mark Normand]

I mean, I don't really watch late night anymore because I'm always running around on stage or whatever, but it was. They were old bar drinking buddies, so they got along really well.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, wow. That's good. I love that.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

What's that?

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, here we go.

[Mark Normand]

I see what's going on here. Wow. I see what's going on here. Real smooth. Very smooth.

[Harlan Williams]

What is it?

[Shane Gillis]

Just the soda?

[Mark Normand]

Beer. So how about these tariffs?

[Harlan Williams]

Whoa. What about them?

[Mark Normand]

There's a new tariff in town.

[Harlan Williams]

Whoa. I shot the tariff, but not the.

[Mark Normand]

Not the deputy. Whoa.

[Shane Gillis]

God damn it.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, man. That went down the back tension there.

[Shane Gillis]

Sorry.

[Harlan Williams]

Your management.

[Mark Normand]

All right.

[Shane Gillis]

Sorry. That tariff joke really got to me.

[Mark Normand]

Now, let's say we were gonna do Kill Tony as a panel. You got any tips? Because you're one of the best panel guys.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, you've done it.

[Mark Normand]

I've done it. But, you know, just for the people at home.

[Harlan Williams]

Any tips for.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, because you're so good at the panel.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, thank you.

[Mark Normand]

You get. People try to roast you. You z. Ah. You're always quick with a quip.

[Harlan Williams]

I just. I don't know. I just. Just have fun. That's my motto.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I like that.

[Harlan Williams]

Just have fun. I don't know that there's any tips or anything.

[Mark Normand]

Ever get nervous up there, but it's a garden. You get the Madison's. You got the arena here with a thousand people gawking at you.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, no, I thought it would be. I thought I would be nervous, but I'm. I'm not. Just because it's. The people there are so in love with the show and the experience that you're just sort of walking out into a sea of love and adoration, and so you feel that energy, and so don't really get nervous by it.

[Mark Normand]

Are you aware that there's a video with over 3 million views of you.

[Shane Gillis]

Destroying someone's career on that panel? Oh, did you?

[Mark Normand]

I don't know about the career.

[Shane Gillis]

The video's saying he destroyed his career.

[Mark Normand]

These thumbnails like to really blow it up with the drama.

[Shane Gillis]

What does that mean? What is it? It's someone's first time, isn't it?

[Mark Normand]

No, it wasn't. No, no. A guy went at him, and he went at the guy.

[Harlan Williams]

He went.

[Mark Normand]

David Lucas went at you?

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

And then he's supposed to be some, like, great. Well, that's why he's a roast guy. A roast guy.

[Harlan Williams]

David Lucas. Yeah. I didn't know who he was, and I didn't know much about the show. I went out to.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, really?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. I'd never done it I'd never met Tony.

[Mark Normand]

What?

[Harlan Williams]

I'd never watched it. And so I didn't know hardly anything about this show. And then I was out doing Rogan's Club, and Tony asked me to do Killed Tony. And so I said okay. And I went out and this guy, David Lucas came out. I didn't have a. I didn't know who anybody was.

[Mark Normand]

Sure, well, who are you on with?

[Harlan Williams]

I didn't even know Tony. It was the first time I met.

[Mark Normand]

Him was this Tony Hawk episode.

[Harlan Williams]

I guess so.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, keep going.

[Harlan Williams]

And then the comics were coming out and I was like, okay, having fun. And then this guy, David Lucas comes out and starts coming at me.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

And I'm like, well, this ain't gonna happen.

[Mark Normand]

Whoa.

[Harlan Williams]

And, you know, you come at me, I'm gonna come back at you.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, why not?

[Harlan Williams]

So that's what happened.

[Shane Gillis]

What did you say to him?

[Harlan Williams]

I just. We just. He started making comments, so I just started hitting him back.

[Mark Normand]

Like roast.

[Harlan Williams]

Com. I guess they just.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, he's a portly fellow. So I think you started attacking his figure.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I just went after everything and the same way he was doing.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

And then I did it again in LA and he. They brought him out again. I didn't know. Now I knew his shtick, so I said, okay, I'm gonna machine gun this guy. And I just. I just was relentless and I just kept going and going, and it's got.

[Mark Normand]

Millions of views and.

[Harlan Williams]

It does. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I think what's great about you is you don't. You're not nervous because you don't know what the fuck's going on.

[Harlan Williams]

No.

[Mark Normand]

So you have no nerve. You just. You're just flying off the seat of your dick.

[Harlan Williams]

Well.

[Mark Normand]

Or whatever that is.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

What is it?

[Harlan Williams]

Dildo.

[Mark Normand]

Dildo. Yeah, Dildo Baggins.

[Harlan Williams]

But, yeah. So just. It just came out of nowhere. And it was fun, and I don't harbor any animosity towards the guy, but I was just like, if you're gonna come at me, I'm gonna give it back.

[Mark Normand]

That's good. That's entertainment, folks. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Mark Normand]

Hell, yeah. Well, I'm excited.

[Shane Gillis]

Was it good afterwards or.

[Mark Normand]

No.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He came and did my podcast and. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Look at that.

[Harlan Williams]

I have no. There's no.

[Mark Normand]

I didn't know you had blacks on.

[Harlan Williams]

Wait, what? I. Yeah, it's just a good time for me. I didn't. No. No sour grapes?

[Mark Normand]

No. Yeah. All right, great.

[Shane Gillis]

Just. Just sugar covered grapes for him.

[Harlan Williams]

Sugar covered grapes. Raisin bread, whatever. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Grape soda. Yeah. Yeah, I get it.

[Harlan Williams]

Why now? Why did you smash the bottle? What were you so angry about?

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know. Just handed me the bottle. I felt I had to use this.

[Mark Normand]

I panicked.

[Shane Gillis]

I freaked out.

[Mark Normand]

It's. That's a avant garde show. I didn't think it happened. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Wild.

[Shane Gillis]

Did you not like it?

[Harlan Williams]

I loved it. I just wondered where the. The sudden emotional outburst came from.

[Shane Gillis]

I was. I didn't want it to be discovered that it was a. Did you know it was a sugar bottle? Damn it. All right. I figured he knew, so I was like. Let me just talk.

[Harlan Williams]

It was a prop bottle, obviously.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

They call it glass candy.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Breakaway glass.

[Shane Gillis]

It tastes good.

[Mark Normand]

No, no, I just tasted.

[Harlan Williams]

It doesn't taste.

[Mark Normand]

What is it? What is this bottle? It's not sugar anymore. Oh, it's resin.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Well, you try a Hollywood prop.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, this shows fucking Hollywood.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

The only thing you ought to be careful is not to get any in your eyes. That's a.

[Mark Normand]

That's true.

[Harlan Williams]

Potential hazard.

[Mark Normand]

I had a real egg on my head last time. He got me good on the top.

[Harlan Williams]

What do you mean?

[Mark Normand]

I had just, like, a cartoon bump. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, he hit you over the head with that?

[Mark Normand]

We hit each other.

[Shane Gillis]

He was passed out. Then I stuck a bottle up his ass while he was passed down. It was weird.

[Mark Normand]

Yo, in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, hey, you know, it's part of doing business.

[Shane Gillis]

It's fun. It's funny.

[Mark Normand]

We're having.

[Shane Gillis]

Funny gag, dude.

[Mark Normand]

Hey, how's your movie doing?

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, wingman. Yeah, thanks for asking it. We're getting real close to. Real close to getting distribution, and I think. I think October, November, we should have it out.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, my Lord.

[Harlan Williams]

And we're also going to do one of those pages, like Shia Labo just did it, where you can. You can put your movie on a page and just go there and. And download it for, like, 10 bucks.

[Mark Normand]

Like, it.

[Harlan Williams]

Versus having to, you know, join a whole subscription service or join Netflix and. Yeah, and so we're going to do that, too. And once it's up there, I'll let you know where you can see it and.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, boy, I can't wa.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that's cool, man.

[Harlan Williams]

Thank you. We're excited.

[Shane Gillis]

We got a call today about potential financier for a movie we're making, so we're trying to.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, really?

[Mark Normand]

We're trying to. We wrote one.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, wow.

[Shane Gillis]

Right now. He said it's a little long, and he's not wrong.

[Harlan Williams]

How many pages?

[Shane Gillis]

100. 20. We overwrote it.

[Harlan Williams]

Get it down to 95.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, we will. I mean, that's that much. That's good.

[Harlan Williams]

Pages.

[Shane Gillis]

That's an hour and a half, right?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I guess so. And even though you're going to shoot 95, my wingman was 95 pages. And the final full edit was 2 hours and 20 minutes.

[Mark Normand]

Whoa.

[Harlan Williams]

Because you got to remember, you know, if someone says, hey, I'm going to the car.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, that's. That's a line in the script. And they see each page is a minute. But then if you decide to show the guy walk into the car and getting in, does something on the way, he picks up like.

[Mark Normand]

So you did.

[Shane Gillis]

You made a comedy that's two hours and 20 minutes.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, but I cut it down to 140.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay.

[Harlan Williams]

So the final product will be 140. And it's. That's why I'm saying go out of the gate short, because then you don't have the pain of cutting all this extra stuff. And I'm assuming nowadays, like, you know, we shot Rocket man back in the 90s. We shot it in over three months.

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Harlan Williams]

And we shot Wingman in two weeks. Holy.

[Shane Gillis]

Why do you think that is?

[Harlan Williams]

Because that's the way everything is now. Even big productions, studio productions, Netflix, they. It's. It's wild. If you shoot a movie over 30 days, like most.

[Shane Gillis]

What are you doing for those three. Over three months when you're shooting a movie? Because Rocketman's a short movie, isn't? It's like an hour.

[Harlan Williams]

It's a standard movie, but it was. We were shooting a page, a page and a half a day. Wingman, we were shooting upwards of nine to 12 pages a day.

[Mark Normand]

Well, that's the name of the game now.

[Harlan Williams]

It's insane.

[Mark Normand]

Back then you had a craft service, queef. You had to do like, all these overtime laws. Oh, we got to stop production. Oh, we went too long on lunch. We got to shave of a day. Whatever.

[Harlan Williams]

It's not that, really. It's just that they had the money and movies were more of an investment and there was a limited amount of studios got it. So when you made a big movie, it got a lot more play because it's kind of like when we only had the three TV networks, it was like, this is where you have to go to see things. But now the spectrum is so vast to see material that production companies and producers are cranking stuff out almost overnight, and they can't afford it to do it any other way. So, yeah, we shot wingman in 15 days, for God's sake.

[Shane Gillis]

It's awesome though.

[Harlan Williams]

We were doing a lot of moves. You do maybe one location a day, maybe two. We were doing up to four locations a day. Full Christ, nonstop. It was insane.

[Mark Normand]

Boy, it must be nice to be done.

[Harlan Williams]

It's, it's, it's nice to be done, but when you're in it, it's sort of like if you're passionate about it, if you, if you believe in the project and you're passionate about the mater. It's almost like a fever dream. Like you're just in it. It's like you're on a. You're in a marathon and you're running and your heart's going and everything is like fluid.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Harlan Williams]

It's a beautiful thing. You're exhausted at the end of the day.

[Shane Gillis]

But was there one particular day where you're like, fuck, yes. We're like, we really got something cool.

[Harlan Williams]

Here, you know, because I directed it, I wrote it, and I starred in it as the lead. I didn't have time to think about anything.

[Mark Normand]

Jesus.

[Harlan Williams]

So we. It was just, it was just. I got there and it was non stop. And at the end of the day I'd go, why do my feet hurt?

[Mark Normand]

Right.

[Harlan Williams]

I realized I didn't sit down all day because if I'm not directing or acting, I'm directing. Mountain Dew kept me going to get sliced off.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, but that's so cool. But let me ask you, you're probably. You're barreling through this movie four locations today. Shoot, shoot, shoot.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

What happens if you fuck something up? You got to reshoot, you got to do pickups. Is that included in the 15 days?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, we had one. We had one day where we had to go back to another location because we didn't get everything we needed.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

And luckily we were able to like scooch it in. But it was a nightmare. It costs a lot of money every time you go back and rent a location, so. But luckily we got it. And even after going back, we still didn't get everything I needed. So then you get into the editing bay and you go, okay, I've got 70% of what was on the page. Now you gotta get creative with the cutting and the editing and hope that you can assemble a scene.

[Mark Normand]

Yep.

[Harlan Williams]

But if you had, had, you know, a day for each scene or a day for each page, you could, you could get everything you need. So.

[Shane Gillis]

Damn, you cut 40 minutes though. So, I mean, you must have cut a few scenes.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh yeah, I cut scenes That I didn't want to cut like an elaborate scenes. Like I cut some scenes that were like really complicated and elaborate and. And funny.

[Mark Normand]

You just.

[Harlan Williams]

It's like you have to, you know, it's brutal.

[Mark Normand]

That is brutal.

[Harlan Williams]

That's what I'm saying. If you guys are going to do a movie, shorten it so you know what you're getting.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

And you don't have to go through the pain. You're still going to have to cut.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, yeah, that's.

[Mark Normand]

So we got some great jokes in there. You don't want to lose them.

[Harlan Williams]

I know, but you do. You lose after. I cut tons of jokes.

[Shane Gillis]

Think about how many jokes don't make you special, though, dude.

[Mark Normand]

That's true. Damn.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, so if you. If you try and, you know, compact everything at the beginning, it's less painful surgery at the end.

[Mark Normand]

Right, right.

[Harlan Williams]

So piece of advice.

[Mark Normand]

Now. It's nice that we. You can shoot quick. Like we've gotten to a point. Rocketman Took what, two months? You said three. Three months. This took 15 days.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Would it be nice if we condense the producing time? All the meetings, the phone calls, the zooms. That's the part we have.

[Shane Gillis]

We have a lot of cooks in the kitchen.

[Mark Normand]

Yes. Forever.

[Shane Gillis]

This is not normal. How many people we have involved in this.

[Harlan Williams]

Why do you have so many?

[Mark Normand]

What's up?

[Shane Gillis]

Who the hell is this? Oh.

[Mark Normand]

Look at this.

[Harlan Williams]

What's up, my guy, baby.

[Mark Normand]

Look at it. What's up? Hey, what's up, man? Oh, looks like a before and after photo, but hit the gym.

[Shane Gillis]

Look at this.

[Mark Normand]

Hell yeah.

[Artie Lange]

Yeah, we're not staying. We just wanted to kind of do it. We just want to.

[Mark Normand]

You're the dildo on the WNBA court. Yeah. Coming right in.

[Artie Lange]

That's it, man. Now the show's gone. Gone down to Lacroix. Used to be drinking whiskey.

[Shane Gillis]

Someone gave us neurovirus at his barbecue.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, you guys still sick?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, great.

[Artie Lange]

Thanks for having us.

[Harlan Williams]

Come in.

[Mark Normand]

No, you should.

[Shane Gillis]

You should be thankful for that, actually.

[Artie Lange]

From my hotel room in Tulsa. You do look thinner, Mark.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[Artie Lange]

But yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, thanks.

[Artie Lange]

Yeah, the thighs are looking nice, dude. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Look at this. This is weird.

[Artie Lange]

You're not usually a shorts guy, are you?

[Mark Normand]

No, it's not so hot. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Harland, how are you?

[Artie Lange]

I saw you. We were alone in your bedroom.

[Harlan Williams]

Whoa, easy, guy. Come on.

[Mark Normand]

Tell him the truth.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, my studio. My studio.

[Mark Normand]

Which is in your bedroom.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, it was that day.

[Mark Normand]

That's a great house out there, huh?

[Artie Lange]

My God.

[Mark Normand]

Amazing. View is unreal.

[Artie Lange]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shane Gillis]

That rocket man, money, dude.

[Artie Lange]

Yeah, dude, he's got that. Yeah. Me, myself and Irene.

[Mark Normand]

Money, dumb and dumber.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, Me, myself and Irene.

[Artie Lange]

You and also me, myself and Irene, too.

[Harlan Williams]

No.

[Mark Normand]

So they all blend together, those Jim Carrey movies.

[Artie Lange]

There's the one where you. Where you should be like serial killer.

[Harlan Williams]

Something about Mary.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, Totally different movie.

[Shane Gillis]

Good character. Meathead. Access Hollywood guy. You were in 90210, right?

[Harlan Williams]

Art Heist this morning on the way home.

[Mark Normand]

It's a pre written bit. He's done six times.

[Shane Gillis]

Six times? Really?

[Artie Lange]

Tell us more about it.

[Mark Normand]

Do it all.

[Artie Lange]

Anyway, we gotta go.

[Shane Gillis]

Harlan started one more time today.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, go on, dude.

[Artie Lange]

The funny. I've told. I think I said this on your pod the last time, but the funniest something that I actually go to and like, laugh at when I'm feeling bad. Like when I need a pick me up as a comedian. I watch when you and Andrew Santino. That clip, when you hit. Hit him.

[Mark Normand]

What? Kept hitting the lotion.

[Artie Lange]

Just instantly feel better. Harlan blowing lotion. I'm sorry? Santino blowing lotion over Harlan's face.

[Mark Normand]

It's amazing.

[Harlan Williams]

Give you a hand lotion.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, dude.

[Artie Lange]

And I sat in that seat.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Harlan Williams]

I just randomly had it there and that came out of nowhere. That was bizarre.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

By the way, Stavi in the Bourdain movie, dude.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

A24. Stavi's in the new Anthony Bourdain movie.

[Artie Lange]

I hope he ends up like him. I play him in flashbacks. In kindergarten. I play young Bourdain.

[Shane Gillis]

That's a great promo shot. Thank you.

[Mark Normand]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Artie Lange]

Hell of an actor.

[Mark Normand]

Good actor.

[Artie Lange]

I'm okay. Voiceover. He does it all. I do it all. We read in Tiramisu with our hands out in the lobby.

[Harlan Williams]

Bourdain was the chef, right?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Heroin.

[Shane Gillis]

You know who Anthony Bourdain is?

[Mark Normand]

No, he doesn't.

[Artie Lange]

Harlan doesn't. He's Canadian.

[Harlan Williams]

Chef.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

With the drugs in Thailand and stuff.

[Artie Lange]

He was the one. Yeah. He used to go, bam.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, that guy, right? Yeah, he's Paula Dean. There you go.

[Artie Lange]

Yeah, dude. He only got famous at 43 years old.

[Mark Normand]

Is that right?

[Artie Lange]

That's what.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, the book is great.

[Artie Lange]

If you watch the documentary Roadrunner. I watch it on planes a lot. He says, like, when he was 43, he was like. I thought like six months before he got famous, wrote Kitchen Confidential. He was like, oh, I thought the best years of my life had happened already. I was 42, about to be 43, I thought all the fun I was ever gonna have in my life had happened. Cause I was already in my early 40s. But he was like, I didn't realize my life was just about to begin.

[Mark Normand]

And it was a happy ending.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, wow. That's it.

[Shane Gillis]

Cover come. Got the job, Mark.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, sorry, sorry.

[Shane Gillis]

I saw him in a Knicks game once, and I watched Larry Johnson the basketball player would go, oh, my God, that's Anthony Bourdain. It's just crazy to see an NBA player starstruck. But it was like he had that.

[Artie Lange]

Anthony Bourdain is awes. Was one of the best guys ever.

[Harlan Williams]

What do you play in the movie, if you don't mind?

[Artie Lange]

I play young Bourdain.

[Harlan Williams]

Young Bourdain?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Artie Lange]

About seven years old. Big lollipop. I got a big curvy wig.

[Mark Normand]

There's Dobros's influence right there. He's tall, right? Was he six? Five? Big time.

[Artie Lange]

Big jiu jitsu guy. Got took up jiu jitsu later in life, like in his late 40s.

[Shane Gillis]

He was gonna be myself and Irene as well.

[Mark Normand]

Seven minute.

[Shane Gillis]

Very good.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Look at Ben Stiller telling Hitler, that's a bad high.

[Artie Lange]

I knew he was one of us.

[Mark Normand]

That's.

[Shane Gillis]

That's one of those. That's one of the Republicans are using. When Elon got that thing like, look, Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller.

[Harlan Williams]

Did it look.

[Mark Normand]

Crazy. Heil from a gym.

[Artie Lange]

I mean, that's wild, right?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Artie Lange]

That's a tough one to even out, out of context, because there's no reason to have the hand open like that.

[Shane Gillis]

That's from Along Came Polly. She's like, you never take any risks.

[Artie Lange]

On the side. Like Ruben.

[Mark Normand]

He's waving at Elon there.

[Artie Lange]

No, no. Hang A Zero is ripped in that movie, dude.

[Mark Normand]

He's always ripped.

[Artie Lange]

I appreciate it.

[Shane Gillis]

We tried to get him on this pod and he will not come on because of the title.

[Artie Lange]

Who won't come on?

[Shane Gillis]

Kazaria. He's so. He's like. Sobriety is like a big part of who he is. We're like, you don't have to drink.

[Artie Lange]

But they're drinking Lacroix. I love how you guys believe that's why he won't come on.

[Mark Normand]

It's like, yeah, the tit.

[Shane Gillis]

Same reason Robert De Niro won't come on. He's like, what the.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, all right.

[Artie Lange]

Well, listen, we have to. We're substituting two Bears, one cave. We gotta.

[Harlan Williams]

We're on our break.

[Artie Lange]

We have to go back to our summer Job. Yes. On that showing to the ground.

[Mark Normand]

Even.

[Artie Lange]

Even better than Bert and Tom have.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, right.

[Artie Lange]

Trying to ruin it. We did a pretty. I think this. This was. These last two episodes are going to do it. So the very last episode we're doing, we're going to talk exclusively about comedy and the vaccine and that should really blow.

[Mark Normand]

And then we'. You do a high pitched laugh for no reason. You on poor people. We got all locked up.

[Shane Gillis]

St just becomes a bleeding alcoholic on it.

[Mark Normand]

I could. I could.

[Artie Lange]

I have my own vices, you know. Since we're here. London, September 2nd.

[Mark Normand]

There you go.

[Artie Lange]

The second show got us.

[Shane Gillis]

Hell yeah.

[Artie Lange]

We're at the. The Shepherd's Bush.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm doing that in October. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a good one.

[Harlan Williams]

All right.

[Mark Normand]

London. London, Connecticut.

[Artie Lange]

London, Ontario. London, Ontario. And then I'll be Chicago, September 5th. And then September 11th theater at M. And then September 27th, Saudi Arabia with you.

[Mark Normand]

Piece of.

[Artie Lange]

You're all pieces of stone sand.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, come on, Jessica. Kirsten's getting it first.

[Mark Normand]

He's not leaving, I'll tell you that. Oh, it'll be hard to do crowd.

[Artie Lange]

Work without everyone doing your. Everyone. All the people cleaning your sheets are just Filipino slaves. They're doing it too right?

[Shane Gillis]

I am.

[Mark Normand]

That's what said October 8th.

[Shane Gillis]

I figured the 7th would have been important, so I'm doing the 8th.

[Harlan Williams]

Jesus.

[Artie Lange]

It takes place on October 7th. You guys are in Riyadh on October.

[Mark Normand]

7Th and realize that I'm on the 8th.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm there on the 8th.

[Mark Normand]

What's going on?

[Artie Lange]

You're gonna be doing remembrance posts from Saudi Arabia. Yeah. From somebody. Get ready to be in airspace.

[Shane Gillis]

Sound good?

[Mark Normand]

Hold on, hold on. Traction.

[Artie Lange]

All right, that'll do it for us.

[Harlan Williams]

All right.

[Mark Normand]

From the river to the sea. River to See you later. There you go. See you.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Nice popping.

[Shane Gillis]

Damn.

[Mark Normand]

Surprise. See you boys.

[Shane Gillis]

Ball of energy.

[Mark Normand]

Ah. Stop. The anti fatter.

[Harlan Williams]

Is he.

[Mark Normand]

No. All right.

[Shane Gillis]

Remember to see you later was very good bar.

[Mark Normand]

Thanks.

[Shane Gillis]

We were talking about the movie.

[Mark Normand]

That's what we were about.

[Harlan Williams]

Your movie. What's your movie about? Can you say?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, what can we say?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's the brief thing is we're liquor salesman because we have our liquor and we're struggling with the business. Basically, it's loosely based on what we're going through here. But we're not comedians in it. We're just liquor salesmen.

[Harlan Williams]

So what's the hook? What's the objective?

[Mark Normand]

Well, the new generation doesn't drink. They all vape and are queefs.

[Harlan Williams]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

So we're like a couple old school douches who try to come back in there and sell some liquor, and it's not going great. He meets a lady, and we got to figure out how to finagle the business and get back on our feet. There's a lot.

[Shane Gillis]

There's a lot. We're not. We're not good at pitching. The script is good.

[Harlan Williams]

It's a good script.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It's really a joke bag.

[Harlan Williams]

It's a vehicle for the shoots in New York.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah. And we got all. We got Stavros a tell. We want Colin Quinn. We got some ideas.

[Harlan Williams]

You got your locations?

[Mark Normand]

No.

[Harlan Williams]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

We're gonna sell it first.

[Harlan Williams]

Does a lot of it take place, like, in the liquor store or in a bar?

[Shane Gillis]

A lot of it's in a bar, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, so you're selling liquor in the bar, not a liquor store?

[Shane Gillis]

Well, we're trying to get the liquor in the bars, and we're doing it ourselves. We don't have a distribution or anything, so it's okay. Yeah, we're kind of.

[Harlan Williams]

So you haven't sold the movie yet?

[Mark Normand]

No, no. We're meeting today with a financier who looks promising.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, good. What's your budget?

[Mark Normand]

I don't know. 3,5 mil. 3 to 5.

[Harlan Williams]

And you want to shoot in New York?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

But, hey, if it's like Hoboken, that's great.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, well, you learn to make good with what you got. Like, Wingman technically takes place in New York, sort of in the outer. Like, not in Manhattan, but, like, out on the. I don't know New York that well.

[Shane Gillis]

So Mark and I are in Somalia. We're like, man, the city is kicking, man.

[Harlan Williams]

Like Yonkers or. I don't know.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, we do all that.

[Harlan Williams]

But Wingman's New York, but we shot in a small, little, like, mining town in Ontario, Really, By Green Bay. But it works. And it works, you know, so you sort of miraculously, you find what you need, like finagle. Yeah, you just. You just. A big part of it is learning to be able to adjust and adjust on the fly. And don't get married, like, to something like. Just learn how to adapt quickly and move along. And it helps.

[Mark Normand]

Geez. Okay, okay.

[Harlan Williams]

Because sometimes your ego or your work, you can go, well, I wrote it that it takes place in a grandiose glass ballroom. Well, we don't have that. And if we do have that, it costs $4,000 a night. So then you have to learn to Adjust on the fly. How can I make this work and still make it feel and look?

[Mark Normand]

So can I ask what you spent?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I think it was just over 2 million.

[Mark Normand]

Wow, that's cheap.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Now what if we kind of.

[Shane Gillis]

Did you use your own money? If you want me asking.

[Harlan Williams]

No, we got. Part of it was grants from the Canadian government and then the rest was private investors. So I'd say half and half. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

That's amazing, man.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

What if we kind of ride dirty a little bit and don't get, you know, we just shoot and run and gun.

[Harlan Williams]

No permits.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

I don't know the legalities of that, but you could get in trouble, especially if there's an accident. Like if there's someone get. Remember the kid on the train tracks in that one movie? A train came and they didn't have permits. And what movie is that? This happened a few years back, but it was. I think Jeff Daniels was in it or somebody. But there was an indie movie where they were shooting on a train track and they didn't have permits and the girl got caught and hit by the train. So it was an accident and you don't have permits. That could be a big liability. So that would just.

[Mark Normand]

Just. Yeah, Alec Baldwin. Accidents never happen on a movie.

[Harlan Williams]

Right, but. So it's. It sucks, but different kind of shoot. Yeah, you can. You can go. I'm not saying don't do it, but just remember there's could be ramifications. That's okay.

[Mark Normand]

Okay. Well, we got no trains, we got no guns.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I don't think there's any guns in the movie.

[Mark Normand]

No, just boozing and partying and.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, like just, you know, sometimes you just gotta go for it.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. I think an old school comedy. I think it's. It's pretty fun.

[Harlan Williams]

I love it.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

It sounds like it leans on the writing.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Like the comedy.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Harlan Williams]

Writing a lot.

[Shane Gillis]

For sure.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Naked Gun. No one remembers the plot of the heist or whatever. Yeah, you know, it's. I mean, sure, it's the baseball game or whatever, but it's just the jokes.

[Shane Gillis]

You remember the jokes?

[Harlan Williams]

That's the humor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, that's what got us into this stuff is movies like that.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, that's exciting.

[Mark Normand]

Well, we're gonna sequel about an art hike heist. Okay. Boy, those guys came in. I feel like I got diddled. They just came in and put a.

[Shane Gillis]

Finger up Chris with his mic in the backwards cap.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, they really. October 7th in there.

[Harlan Williams]

They gave in and left Tsunami Yeah. Or slammed.

[Mark Normand]

Tsunami. That's what got Gilbert fired.

[Harlan Williams]

It was aflac.

[Mark Normand]

Aflac.

[Shane Gillis]

He lost the AFLAC job of. What was it?

[Harlan Williams]

Why?

[Shane Gillis]

He made a tsunami joke.

[Mark Normand]

Right. Yeah. What was the joke? Pull that up, fanny if you can. But, yeah, that was one of the early.

[Shane Gillis]

Were you pals with Gilbert?

[Harlan Williams]

The irony is that ducks can swim.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, that's true.

[Harlan Williams]

But I knew him a little bit. I did one movie with him. We did Rodney's final movie, Back by Midnight. Whoa. And I was in that and Gilbert was in it.

[Shane Gillis]

How was Rodney?

[Harlan Williams]

Rodney was great, but he was in sort of the final throws. You could tell he was. He was. He was. He was excited and working hard, but you could tell he was. He was sort of. His health was fading a little.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. That light, that. That spark, even though inside it was there, you could just see age was catching up to him. So that was a bit tough to see, but he was. I loved him. He was great.

[Mark Normand]

He's a brilliant comedian.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Was he doing bathrobe? No underwear? Was it that John. That period?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. I mean, smoking weed. Yeah. I would go to his place and he would have a. We'd just sit in his living room. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. He really liked me after that movie. He became. After I did Back By Midnight, he became really. We became pretty close. He just loved me in the movie and so he'd have me over and.

[Shane Gillis]

Honestly, I've never even heard of the movie. That's crazy.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

It was kind of a straight to DVD type of deal. But there's a lot of comedians in it. I think Joey Diaz was in it. I think he was in it. And. And I'd go to Rodney's place and he had a pill bottle.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

With the thinnest little joint you've ever seen. Sit there and talk for hours. And he'd finish one and light the next one on the roach. Like he would chain smoke the damn. And he just said it helped him. He said he suffered from depression sometimes and he. And he said it just helped him. And. Yeah. I think he was wearing that. That robe.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

But he was nice to you.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, he's really. He asked me to write Caddyshack 3. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. He literally asked me to do it. And it was. It was very bittersweet because I was like, wow, I'd love to, but I. Like I said not to be morbid, but you could tell he was sort of. He'd already had some pretty bad health issues and so. But it was 88 yeah. And he just, he would sit there and just show me project after because I'm doing this and I got a thing I'm doing in Vegas and I got this movie and like he just, just. And it was, it was sort of incredible to see that his creative spirit just was non stop. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

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[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

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[Mark Normand]

Hell, yeah. Yeah. He was one of the best. One of the greats.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. One of the funniest. His wife Joan, was wonderful. Just a beautiful, wonderful woman. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I talked to her once on the phone because I was driving with Whitney. I just done her podcast, and she was just driving me to a spot, and she's like, do you want to talk to Rodney's wife? And I was like, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And we chat. She was so cool. And she was like, you want to hear a joke that no one has ever heard that Rodney did?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm gonna butcher this.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, my God. I can't wait.

[Harlan Williams]

What is it?

[Shane Gillis]

I'm trying to remember it.

[Mark Normand]

Get it together so you don't butcher it.

[Harlan Williams]

I was at her house once. She invited me over and she played an old cassette tape of about an hour's worth of Rodney just reciting jokes into the tape recorder that he either used or didn't use. But she said they were all these jokes no one had ever heard.

[Mark Normand]

We gotta get those.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, it was pretty amazing. Yeah. She said she has a whole bunch of them.

[Mark Normand]

Like, if you go to the mothership, there's a. Like six placards on the wall of his jokes written out. Yeah. And Whitney brought it in and Joe framed it. Oh, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

It's just so funny.

[Shane Gillis]

I. I don't know. I. I told it on some fucking podcast. I don't remember.

[Mark Normand]

Give it a shot. Hum a few bars. Come on. It'll come to you. We'll. We'll punch it up. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't even remember. This never happens. Holy shit. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm in the final throws. This is diarrhea. Holy shit. No, I'm a little slow for sure today.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Wow. Hung out with Rodney. Where's his house? Or where was it? Was it in la?

[Harlan Williams]

He lived on Wilshire Boulevard in one of these big, giant, fancy condos. There's this one area on Wilshire just before you get to Westwood. And he lived in this. It was sort of a bronze green, really beautiful, you know, high rise on Wilshire Boulevard. And he had a big walk in. He said he was Alan, let me show you my shower. He loved lions and he loved. He loved showers. And he took me into his big bathroom and showed me this big walk in shower with statues of lions.

[Mark Normand]

Whoa.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, just a rope. Interesting guy.

[Mark Normand]

Interesting, yes. Seinfeld said that he'd go out to dinner with him when he was a young comic.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Rodney couldn't wait for the food. It would piss him off. He'd be like, we want eight lo mein's, two hot sours. And then he'd go, where the hell's the food? And they go, we gotta cook it, Rodney. Yeah, but he was like, we've been here one minute. You gotta give us a chance to go get it.

[Shane Gillis]

I remember the joke. I fucking hate myself.

[Mark Normand]

You gotta do his voice too, though.

[Shane Gillis]

All right, fine. So he was going into surgery and his wife told me, like, he was so nervous he was gonna lose his mind. His whole thing was about being sharp, you know, like, if I lose my mind, I have nothing. And, you know, and he was like, all right, well, hopefully you're all right comes out of it. He looks really woozy. And the doctor goes, rodney, did you cough anything up? And he goes, yeah, 500 last week to a whore. That was his first line out of surgery. And they're like, well, he's still got it, I guess.

[Mark Normand]

Hey, that's good.

[Shane Gillis]

I need Dangerfield.

[Mark Normand]

You nailed it. It.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, my God.

[Mark Normand]

Cough up. That's fun.

[Shane Gillis]

God. One of the funniest dudes ever live easily.

[Mark Normand]

Like, who is writing that many jokes? You know, at that clip? Joan, I'm saying now. Oh, today. Yeah, Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

A tell.

[Mark Normand]

I don't know. Oh, maybe a tell.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, Tell us, kind of.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, Good call. But see, that's the problem is like.

[Shane Gillis]

A tell is almost like. It's almost like a hip type of danger field where he's, like, doing Honey Boo Boo references, throwing, like, random, like, you know, like. Like, I feel like, you know, a tell knows who the Rizzler is.

[Mark Normand]

Right, Right. But he was in a suit where a tell's dressed as a. Like a forklift driver. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Poor Rodney. I was with him eight hours before he died.

[Mark Normand]

Holy hell.

[Harlan Williams]

I was one of the last people to be with them in the hospital.

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. He was. Held his hand and he was there. He was just, like, really sad at tubes coming out. Yeah. It was really heartbreaking.

[Mark Normand]

You just standing there, sipping a Mountain Dew.

[Harlan Williams]

Just sipping. Sipping a Mountain Dew. Saying a prayer. Holding, you know, holding his hand and. And. And then later that night, he passed away.

[Shane Gillis]

Damn.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

What was that, 99? Something like that.

[Harlan Williams]

I forget. But, yeah, it was. It was tough. Manny. Good, good guy. Brought a Lot of joy to people.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. One of the best. And helped young comedians. He literally had a young comedian special where he threw everybody a bone.

[Harlan Williams]

You really like doing that? Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

2004.

[Mark Normand]

There you go.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Kind of surreal. Just, I mean, hanging with him, it must have been like, this is crazy. This is.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, it was very surreal because I, I didn't know him that well. And then when I did the movie, he. He'd seen me a few times at the clubs. And then when I did his movie, he, he just called me up out of the blue one day. I forget what I was, Rodney. And I go, hey, man. He goes, you stole the movie, man. And I was like, like. And then after that, he was like, come hang out and just things like that. And so I sort of got close to him and Joan and. Yeah. So it was a real honor just to be around that kind of legendary guy, you know?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Would you say he's your favorite. Who's your favorite comic ever who really grabbed you?

[Harlan Williams]

I like guys like Steven Wright who are like, really clever, sort of. There's a guy from Montreal named Sean Keane that should have been a star but never got there. And you, you wouldn't know him, but what happened, he, he was a real kind of introvert and he didn't really understand. He didn't understand. He was very bad at the business side.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

But he was, he was so funny. He, he, he had this whole kind of body language he did. And after every joke you go like, he had this whole thing. And his jokes were like, my girlfriend told me to stop finishing her sentences and I said, period. Like, he just, he'd say stuff like, I woke up this morning, there was a little baby on my doorstep. I got home tonight, the little bastard was still there. He just had this kind of thing and interesting one liners, but they are so good. And he passed away, unfortunately. But right from when I started my comedy career, he was one of my favorites.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, see, that's what, that's the problem with the gatekeeping system back then. Now he can just put a shit, this shit on YouTube.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, but he might catch. I still don't believe that the cream always rises to the top, though. I still think it's tough, like, because you could say that now, but then a guy like that, he doesn't understand the business. Is he going to understand, like, social media?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

It was tough to watch because he, he, of all the people I've met, I thought should have been a star, you know?

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Harlan Williams]

And I think he knew it too. Which was not in a conceited way, but he just. He just knew that he. He was a prolific writer.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

And he just knew he had something different. But he, He. He was also paranoid about people stealing his stuff and that held him back.

[Shane Gillis]

So he wouldn't release stuff.

[Harlan Williams]

Stuff soon.

[Shane Gillis]

Release specials.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, he just. He.

[Shane Gillis]

His stuff doesn't live anywhere or anything.

[Harlan Williams]

We can't do little things. I got him on a Canadian talk show once and he did a sat. And he did An Evening at the Improv once. He actually came to Hollywood and did An Evening at the Improv.

[Mark Normand]

But he just hit that on YouTube.

[Harlan Williams]

Maybe, but it's also one of those guys too. To see him live was so much more rewarding than, you know, any footage would tell.

[Mark Normand]

But sure, sure.

[Harlan Williams]

He was definitely one of my faves.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, wow.

[Harlan Williams]

And I love Nick Depaulo because he's. He's just. Some guys pretend they're angry.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, he's not pretending.

[Harlan Williams]

He's just angry and edgy and.

[Mark Normand]

Right.

[Harlan Williams]

I really love that about him. Well, there he is.

[Mark Normand]

Okay. Evening at the Improv. That was you?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. And I was in the crowd watching him.

[Mark Normand]

Are we. Where are we? In la?

[Harlan Williams]

This is on hall and on in. This is in. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Clip is only 19 seconds. All right, great. Perfect.

[Harlan Williams]

No lesbians. Just chicks who have yet to meet me.

[Shane Gillis]

Have yet to meet me.

[Mark Normand]

Oh.

[Harlan Williams]

Let'S see how he moved.

[Mark Normand]

It's just like. Yeah. Wow, that's hilarious.

[Harlan Williams]

You just had this rhythm and. Yeah, they didn't have it there, but usually after every joke you go like. Like he'd accent every joke with these grunts.

[Mark Normand]

Give me one more. Give me one more.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, See if there's another one.

[Mark Normand]

One joke at a time.

[Harlan Williams]

Grandmother stuffs are bra. At least it feels that way.

[Mark Normand]

I love it. I love the movements. I love the look. Yeah, he's got me. I'm a fan.

[Shane Gillis]

Anything else? We have any more?

[Mark Normand]

I love how he posted one 18 second joke at a time. That's what I mean.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't think it was just the gatekeepers holding this guy back. This is.

[Harlan Williams]

I'd love you to see one where he does the grunt.

[Mark Normand]

Get all the way to the beginning.

[Shane Gillis]

You got it.

[Mark Normand]

There we go.

[Harlan Williams]

I met my wife in a nightclub. She was sitting across the bar and I started to come on to her, you know, I didn't know I could squirt that fire.

[Mark Normand]

Classic dance. What the hell? It's like an Elvis thing. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

That'S his other thing. He'd argue. Thank you. Thank you.

[Shane Gillis]

How'd he pass away. Passed away young.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, what was the killer is he had. Had a heart surgery when he was young. I think he had a hole in his heart and he was so paranoid that he would swim and he would run nine to 15 miles a day and swim like eight miles a day. Like, just every day. That's what he did.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

And apparently he. He was just at home. He was very quirky. Still lived with his dad.

[Mark Normand]

Whoa.

[Harlan Williams]

And he was, you know, I think he was in his 50s. And then he. They just found him at the keypad on the computer, like, face down. Oh, yeah. Writing went in the room. And he was. From what I heard, he was just sitting at the computer. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Harlan Williams]

But had boxes of jokes. Like, Rodney just said he'd write all these jokes down and had boxes of jokes and.

[Shane Gillis]

And you were very close with him.

[Harlan Williams]

We were pretty close. He was guy to get close to, but we had a sort of a kindred spirit. And I was always. He'd phone me and we'd talk for hours. He'd go, sean, come to la. You can stay at my house. You can stay here for three months. I'll help you. I'll introduce. Oh, well, you know. And he would never. He was like his worst enemy, you know? But it just broke. And then finally I just gave up on trying to help because I could see it was never going to happen. And it broke my heart. But damn, I just. He, to me, should have. He was just great. Just the performance, the aura, the. And he's one of the guys. When you met him in real life, there was kind of a sort of like, norm had like this sort of aura around him, you know, it was really magical. So.

[Mark Normand]

Damn. Was he Canadian?

[Harlan Williams]

He was Canadian from Montreal, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, Montreal.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Just loved him. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Sean Keane put him on the wall.

[Harlan Williams]

Why?

[Mark Normand]

What's with the funny guys dying?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

You know, it's never. I don't want to say anybody, but. Because it's mean, but, you know, it's always the norms of the Patrices.

[Shane Gillis]

Look at the whole wall here.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. The Jones.

[Shane Gillis]

I told you I was watching a Bernie Mac movie the other day. Not even a great movie, but I loved it because he's so great in it. 3,000. He's so great in it.

[Harlan Williams]

He was just Santa.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, my God. Dude. Every time I watch bad Santa, though, it's like him and John Ritter. You're like, holy.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, right?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. That was another great one.

[Harlan Williams]

Great movie. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. But Bernie, Max, another dude with that. That. You're like, holy. This Guy's got aura like.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was the best on Kings of Comedy. Nobody could follow him. Yeah, he was too good.

[Harlan Williams]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. But I mean.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

So many people, dude. So many great comedians.

[Mark Normand]

Greg, Geraldo, Mitch.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It's crazy.

[Shane Gillis]

Did you know Greg or Mitch at all, or.

[Harlan Williams]

No, I knew Mitch. Yeah. It was a little awkward because he opened for me once and his girlfriend was there, and I used to date his girlfriend before he did.

[Mark Normand]

Lynn.

[Harlan Williams]

Lynn, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. She got around, huh?

[Harlan Williams]

Well, this was way back in the early. Like in the 90s or maybe even the 80s. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I think she was banging John Doerr for a while.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I was. Even before that.

[Shane Gillis]

What are you doing?

[Mark Normand]

Just saying this lady's got it.

[Shane Gillis]

I know. I think you should be saying.

[Mark Normand]

All right.

[Harlan Williams]

I don't know who, but I remember it was. I think there was a little bit of. Me and Mitch liked each other. We worked together, but I think there's a little tension. Not that I caught, but I think.

[Mark Normand]

Girlfriend tip.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. So I just sort of gave him his space and I didn't push it, but I loved him. He was great. Actually. I was mad at him, to be honest, because I didn't.

[Mark Normand]

He didn't share the heroin?

[Harlan Williams]

No. I didn't like that he abused himself.

[Mark Normand]

It made me mad.

[Harlan Williams]

And it. It. Like. Some people tried to make it seem like it was charming. And, oh, that's Mitch. He's on heroin. But I was actually, like, inside, I was very mad that he did that to himself. He obviously probably couldn't help it, but to me, there was no charm. It was just like. Just stop. But guys, like, can't I.

[Shane Gillis]

If you care about someone, it's awful.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Yeah. So it was tough to watch him.

[Shane Gillis]

I feel, with you in the Mountain Dew, man.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Gotta yahoo it up right to the grave. It's gonna be on my gravestone. Yahoo.

[Shane Gillis]

Couldn't help himself.

[Mark Normand]

Gonna be shooting that in between your toes soon.

[Harlan Williams]

Hell, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Pour some Ready Whip on his grave.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Spray it.

[Mark Normand]

This is unbelievable, by the way.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, have some more.

[Mark Normand]

All right. All right.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I think I'll be all right by tomorrow. I got up from your thing, dude.

[Mark Normand]

Everybody did. I think it was the sushi that got you.

[Shane Gillis]

You think so?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, that got out of me quickly.

[Mark Normand]

That was okay.

[Harlan Williams]

You seem a little perkier than we. Than when we started. Your color's a little more back.

[Shane Gillis]

Thank you. I feel like.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. All right, we're back. How about that Sydney Sweeney, huh? Nice cans. Like her. Sure. I'M a sexual man. Yes. Yes, I'm a fan.

[Harlan Williams]

Okay.

[Mark Normand]

You know what I don't like about her is that she does the dumb hot girl voice. These are just my jeans I wear.

[Shane Gillis]

That's not her voice at all. You sound like. You sound.

[Mark Normand]

I sound like Cartman.

[Shane Gillis]

You sound like. Yeah, you sound like Cartman as, like, a slow person.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. I'm telling you. I just don't know what else to do because that's not a voice. If that were a voice, this is.

[Shane Gillis]

Like how you wean someone off sitting in Sweeney. By the way, it's just Mark. All right.

[Mark Normand]

I think she's cool. I like her. She's very attractive. Good for her for killing. I just. I just hate the hot girl voice.

[Shane Gillis]

They're the most comfortable jeans I've ever.

[Mark Normand]

Worn, because my jeans. Wow. Holy. They make your butt look amazing. Amazing.

[Shane Gillis]

I prefer her voice to you right.

[Mark Normand]

Now, but if you said that you want to buy the jeans, I'm not gonna stop you. But just so we're clear, this is not me telling you vocal. Yeah. I hate that. It's. It's put on. It's like when you meet a gay guy who's like, hello.

[Shane Gillis]

But I like that.

[Mark Normand]

I mean, it's fun, but let's not pretend like that dude had a good time, though. It's a fun time. I like about an hour and a.

[Shane Gillis]

Half the flaming game than the hot chick vocal fry.

[Mark Normand]

Yes, it's fun. At least it's fun and upbeat. This is like, I just had a little fentanyl, maybe.

[Shane Gillis]

Maybe if you're attracted to men. Holy it. I don't know, dude. You. You in this voice in the shorts. I'm getting kind of turned on right now.

[Harlan Williams]

You should do an American Eagle commercial.

[Mark Normand]

Maybe I will.

[Harlan Williams]

They have a shorts line. American Kegel line crosser.

[Mark Normand]

Cut it, print it, clip it.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude.

[Harlan Williams]

We just.

[Mark Normand]

I just have.

[Shane Gillis]

Good is happening.

[Mark Normand]

I don't know what to do with my tits. Whoa.

[Harlan Williams]

Dr. Pepper.

[Shane Gillis]

So who looks like a hot lady voice?

[Mark Normand]

What do you mean? That is. That's what I'm saying. That's what she's doing.

[Shane Gillis]

You think that's hot?

[Mark Normand]

No, I don't like it. But hot girls do that.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

The hottest voice was the movie Body Heat. The. The Turner. Kathleen Turner had the sexiest voice.

[Shane Gillis]

That's a good pull, right?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. You ever see Body Heat?

[Shane Gillis]

It's a great movie.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, man. Sexy Florida morning scene where they're watching the music and she just walks up smoking a cigarette.

[Shane Gillis]

That's a good movie. Wreck if you haven't seen it, go. Go watch Body Heat. That's a William Hurt.

[Harlan Williams]

Body Heat. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Hurts always.

[Shane Gillis]

It's got vibes of like, Postman Always Rings Twice type of Jesus. Talk about hot chick that wants you to kill her husband.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, just powerful like that.

[Shane Gillis]

So good. I might. That's the vibe.

[Mark Normand]

81, huh?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, just really sexy voice.

[Mark Normand]

How happy is that?

[Shane Gillis]

You're not too smart, are you?

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yes. Like that in a man.

[Shane Gillis]

What else do you like? Lazy?

[Harlan Williams]

Ugly?

[Mark Normand]

Horny? I got them all lazy. Tell me, does chat like this work with most women?

[Shane Gillis]

Some, if they haven't been around much.

[Mark Normand]

I wondered, thought maybe I was out of touch.

[Harlan Williams]

I'm gonna buy you a drink.

[Mark Normand]

I told you, I've got a husband.

[Harlan Williams]

I'll buy him one too.

[Shane Gillis]

Killer dialogue. It's like. It's like Double Indemnity or something.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, this is smooth.

[Mark Normand]

I'm hooked. Can we play that or is that gonna kill us? Okay. Yeah, I like. She's got a normal lady voice. I'm very, very into it, but it's.

[Shane Gillis]

Got a little bit of like old timey. Sophisticated.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, that North Atlantic twang.

[Shane Gillis]

Kind of worldly.

[Harlan Williams]

A little bit. It goes with her look. It matches.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Harlan Williams]

You know.

[Mark Normand]

No, weirdly, no tits. No tits compared to the Sweeney of it all. Yeah, yeah, but still sexy.

[Shane Gillis]

Why is that such a hot plot? Murder my husband. It's just like, Murder my husband and me is like.

[Mark Normand]

That is pretty hot.

[Shane Gillis]

That's like classic noir right there.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, because it's how bad you want it.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

She was also Serial Mom. Remember that? It's so good. Oh, I hated that movie.

[Shane Gillis]

But think about how much you regret fucking most people. And then you're like, I killed their husband too.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, that's true.

[Shane Gillis]

Bad move.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, Double whammy.

[Harlan Williams]

Could you do it? Could you kill a husband?

[Shane Gillis]

I think I could. I don't think I can get away with it, but I think I kill someone.

[Harlan Williams]

You could probably.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, geez.

[Shane Gillis]

Not actually in theory. I don't think I could go through with it.

[Mark Normand]

Only husband here. And the other one, the voodoo queen.

[Harlan Williams]

She was Jessica Rabbit. Remember she had the voice.

[Mark Normand]

She was.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that's how you pull that. You know who's got a hot voice too, actually? Scarlett Johansson.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, a little deep.

[Shane Gillis]

Did the voice in the movie her, though. Think about voiceover. Who can pull a good voiceover?

[Mark Normand]

Good point. Pull her up.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Wow. I didn't know that. And I love Jessica Rabbit. Good for her.

[Harlan Williams]

I'm not bad. I was just drawn that way, right?

[Shane Gillis]

That was a sexy, underrated movie too, Dude. Dude. What? Bob Hoskins.

[Mark Normand]

Zemeckis. Yeah. I saw the theater.

[Shane Gillis]

That. That scene with Betty Boop where she's like, I still got it, though. And he's like, yeah, Betty, you do.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Shaving a haircut.

[Shane Gillis]

You ever hear that Bob Hoskins story where De Palma asked him to do the Untouchables, but he's like, I want De Niro. But, like, I'll. But in case he can't do it, I. I want you. And he was like, all right, whatever. Like, and then the movie comes out. He sees Dairo's, and it. He's like, all right, right. He gets a check for $200,000 in the mail from Dealma. Like, sorry it didn't work out, but here's for wasting your time. And he was like, do you have any other movies you don't want me to do? Like, the talk show, but that's funny.

[Harlan Williams]

Wow.

[Mark Normand]

You know, similar story. Louie had a bit about. Wouldn't it be nice if you were just an. That'd be cool to be an asshole. And he'd tell it in Boston back in the day, you know, before he was famous and Dennis Leary was like the big hot comic. And he heard it. He made it into I'm an whatever. Louie brought it up on a podcast or something. Opie and Anthony. One day, randomly, it came up. He's like, yeah, what are you gonna do? People steal your. You got to write new ones. That's how it goes, I guess. Leary heard that. Send him 20 grand. Really?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, he's made way more off that song.

[Mark Normand]

I know, I know. He got. He's still got a deal, but crazy, I guess. Nice to send the check, but maybe don't steal people's jokes.

[Harlan Williams]

I got a check for a movie that I wasn't even in. Oh, yeah, A couple of them, actually. I did. I got a check from an animated movie called the Wild.

[Mark Normand]

Okay.

[Harlan Williams]

I was supposed to do the voice of a snake, and they ended up giving it to George Carlin.

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Harlan Williams]

And I still get a. Royalties from it for some reason. Residuals.

[Mark Normand]

You don't want to ruin it. It.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Don't say this out loud, Har.

[Harlan Williams]

And then I get one from. It's the only movie ever got fired on. I did Elmo and Grouchland. I was supposed to be the villain, and I got fired, and they still send me royalty.

[Shane Gillis]

How do you get fired?

[Harlan Williams]

The guy Henson. The guy that Jim Henson. Jim Henson's kid who Took over. I had the part and. And I came to New York. There's a bunch of songs, so I had to go in a studio and sing a bunch of the songs. And then we sang all day. And then Henson's son, I think his name's Brian or something, he goes, come to the studio. I want. I want you to improv with the puppets. And I go, I already have the part, but. Okay. So we go and we. I had to improv with Elmo and a few of the other Muppets, and it was okay. I don't know if it was bad or good, but it wasn't. I can improv pretty good.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

And they called me that that night and said, yeah, you're done. And they. They fired me.

[Mark Normand]

Whoa.

[Harlan Williams]

But I still get royalties, so it's like. Okay. I guess that's part of the SAG thing. If you have someone on something, but then you change it. I guess maybe you still get paid or something.

[Mark Normand]

On the crew list here. Oh, wow. Put on the resume.

[Harlan Williams]

I get fired. It's the only movie I got fired from.

[Mark Normand]

Damn.

[Harlan Williams]

Who's the villain? Who's the main guy in there? He's the.

[Mark Normand]

By the way, that guy was diddling kids. I think Elmo. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Afterwards, I really.

[Mark Normand]

He didn't get fired, so he must have really sucked.

[Shane Gillis]

He diddled kids.

[Mark Normand]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. But the allegedly doesn't help much. Oh, was it Mandy Patankin?

[Harlan Williams]

I'm not sure it was.

[Mark Normand]

Was.

[Harlan Williams]

That might have been him.

[Shane Gillis]

If you lost out to Manny Patinkin, that's pretty fine. You've lost roles for some. Pretty legit.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, that's true.

[Shane Gillis]

You lost a Carlin and Mandy.

[Harlan Williams]

Come on. I think so. Yeah. Whoever the villain was. There's only one villain, so. But I think the villains.

[Mark Normand]

The pedos.

[Shane Gillis]

Look up. Yeah, look up Elmo. What the is Elmo? What is. How did he get away with that?

[Mark Normand]

Who else? I think he was just Blues Clues texting teens. I don't think he actually did it.

[Shane Gillis]

That's pretty weird.

[Mark Normand]

It is.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, obviously, it's not as bad as other stuff, but.

[Harlan Williams]

What? Elmo. What the. The puppeteer was a pedo.

[Shane Gillis]

No, no. Texting is not as bad as touching, but it's still bad. It's still. Especially if you're, like, working in a kid's form.

[Harlan Williams]

That's where the term came from. Geppetto.

[Mark Normand]

That's great. Lie to me. Tickle me. Elbow. That's good stuff, Geppetto. You gotta tweet that.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, thanks. I'm Busy.

[Mark Normand]

Kevin Spacey. So, yeah, you got to put your movie like on your own site or some site. And ten bucks. Wingman. Check it out, folks.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, thank you. We don't have the site built out yet, but when we do, you know, in today's world. And I hope this applies to you guys too, like everything's getting. Everything's changing so quickly.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, yeah. Colbert's going.

[Harlan Williams]

I feel like with. With the audience we sort of capture in the podcast world. If you had just, you know, 10,000 fans download your movie for 10 bucks a pop, that's like 250 grand or whatever right there. 200 grand. So it's like, it's like. I think fans of ours who do this podcast world are excited to see us do our own projects.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Harlan Williams]

I get the feeling that, that they would support those movies 100% because they don't. They don't get them in the theaters because they're giving them to other people. So I think I'm hoping that Wingman can sort of be a platform that works and fans come out and order it and then it sort of paves the way for all of us to start doing more of our own movies, which I think people want.

[Mark Normand]

I think they want it too. Bird did the old dads that blew up. People loved it.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I talked about this a lot too. It was like we did this with stand up specials for a while. Next thing is, I guess we have to do it with TV and movies.

[Mark Normand]

Good point, good point.

[Shane Gillis]

It's so damn hard to sell stuff.

[Harlan Williams]

Like Shane with tire. I think people want to see funny comedians, girls, guys. They want to see us do our. Because they know we're creative and we have a lot of funny projects and it's so hard to get them through the studios and networks. So to do them on our own now, I think we have way more avenues to present it to people. So that's what I want to do with Wingman is really get it out there.

[Shane Gillis]

It's crazy. I'm not done with the movie yet, but I shot a bulk of my movie on tour and this movie idea had for like a mockumentary of a tour. And it is insane how smooth shit goes when there aren't 80 people being like, what if we do this? Let's set a meeting. It's like, no. Oh no. We're just gonna shoot this.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, I called up.

[Shane Gillis]

Should we get. No, no, he's doing it. I got this guy to do this part.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, we're good.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, obviously people help like Managers, they help. They. They got.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

People for me and stuff. But, like, you know, that's the key.

[Harlan Williams]

It just want people that help.

[Shane Gillis]

Just people who are good.

[Harlan Williams]

No way it up.

[Mark Normand]

Make decisions. Yeah. I literally have a meeting. I have a general meeting with Jason Bateman's production company, whatever that means.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, good.

[Mark Normand]

He couldn't do it two days ago. So I go, all right. And I go, here's some potential date. One of them is in November. I'm like, I could make a movie by November.

[Harlan Williams]

That's what we're up against. And then. And then you get the meeting, and then how many months or years till they get back to you and you're at their mercy. And that's why I think if. If guys like us and girls like us can make more of our own stuff and fans can directly decide to.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

To support it, we can make more. Like, I'm hoping people come out and, you know, support Wingman, because I'm already writing the sequel, and if they like Wingman, I want to be ready to put the sequel in action, give them another one. And a studio would never do it because Wingman's edgy and it's non woke. And it's. And so, you know, I think we're all feeling the same. We don't want to wait for people to tell us yes or no.

[Mark Normand]

God, no.

[Shane Gillis]

People want comedy. The jokes are funny. Like, who gives a shit? I think. I think if it's funny, I'm almost, like, sick of hearing woke. I. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear woke. Non woke. I'm sick. It's funny or not funny to me.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like, that's all that really matters.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, exactly. So, yeah, I think we just kind of have to make stuff. But it's good. It's. It is honestly kind of cool, like, making this movie on the road. I was like, oh, I just learned how to make a movie. This is education that you just, like, people go to school for this shit.

[Mark Normand]

I just.

[Shane Gillis]

I just was like, oh, I'll just make it. And I just like, yeah, we made mistakes. I. I fell on my face with some shit. We had to reshoot some stuff. I'm still learning some stuff, but, like, I was like, oh, I know how to make a movie now, and you can't fucking. You know, you can't learn it any other way, but to just do it.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Jump in. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like, stand up. You really just have to do, like, how do I do it, get a mic, go on stage, find people, talk, and see if it works. I mean, it's going to be bad at first, and it's going to get better or it's not.

[Mark Normand]

And if we keep making enough stuff that gets traction, these studios will have to go, hey, we'd like to work with you. We like to buy someone. You. You kind of want to go off.

[Shane Gillis]

They won't even be around, like.

[Mark Normand]

Or they won't be around.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't even know if they're gonna. Some of them will survive. I'm sure they'll figure it out, because there's some really smart ones, but. But then there are some that you're just like, well, you're everything. You make is. Some have kind of built a brand of, like, we're cool and artsy and that's cool, you know? But then there's some that are definitely not going to be here in a few years.

[Mark Normand]

No. And now we live in this world where like. Like Happy Gilmore 2 I never saw. Me neither. Whatever. That's the only way to get views now, like this. Nostalgia. Oh, big sto. Adam. Sailors in it. Oh, this guy's in it. I'll watch that. But what about an original idea? Yeah. No one wants to take a chance on that because no one has any fucking vision, because they just want to make money.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, you just told me you saw weapons and you loved it, though.

[Mark Normand]

What the hell?

[Harlan Williams]

Weapons I loved. It's sort of like a new horror movie.

[Mark Normand]

Okay. All right, great.

[Shane Gillis]

It's got buzz. It's got a lot of buzz.

[Mark Normand]

Horrors. Cheap.

[Harlan Williams]

But I mean, like, you two guys with your following, your followings together and your separate followings, I would have to believe that if you made your liquor movie and you built your own site and said, hey, 10 bucks to own it and 7 bucks to rent it or whatever, I would have to imagine it. You know, you guys probably get 3 to 400,000 views an episode. I. I would bet at least 10,000 of your fans rented, and that would help pay for it. You know, you can make more, you.

[Mark Normand]

Know, so that's the plan. People want comedy.

[Harlan Williams]

It's a cool new world out here right now.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

I hope it empowers us to do more of our own stuff.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, it's just good.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, because I feel like the conversations, I think, for a while were a lot of people feeling, like, really down. And I feel like there's like, an energy now when I talk to people and they're like, no, we can, like, there's more positivity.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, like, oh, no, we can do this.

[Harlan Williams]

Because I think that the studios and the networks, you know, it was such a powerful wall. Yeah. That we all know what we want to do in the entertainment industry, but to get up over that wall is so daunting and the odds are so low. But now I feel like the walls are starting to collapse and come down where now guys like us are in a world where we can hopefully get stuff directly to consumers and not have to be at the mercy of these big entities, you know, 100%.

[Mark Normand]

Let's flip it. Let's have them call us.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

What are you working on?

[Harlan Williams]

I think that's happening.

[Mark Normand]

I think so, too.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Every show is crumbling. Like, the traditional stuff is all seems to be done. Dying.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

It's. We're in the middle of a crazy shift. Stern is gone. Colbert's going away. Seth Meyers publicly said, I have five years left. I definitely won't make it.

[Shane Gillis]

Wow.

[Mark Normand]

Holy shit. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Well, yeah, no one's watching them anymore. You know, it's like, no, I'm not. Yeah. And I remember there was a time, you know, probably even 10, 11 years ago, where every comic you met was like, I'm working on my show set, you know, or my Conan set. And now you go to a comedy club, and nobody's. You never hear it. None of the comics are worried about getting on late night. They're both more excited to get on a podcast.

[Shane Gillis]

We've said it a million times, but, like, I. I don't think I could put together a Fallon set right now. Put together a set for Saudi Arabia, but not for Fallon.

[Mark Normand]

It's hilarious.

[Shane Gillis]

But, I mean, you know, we've talked about it. You go on Fallon, but. And it's not like, I get that he's nice, but then they're like, well, you got to be nice, too. But that's not how my stand up.

[Mark Normand]

Exactly. I'm different than.

[Shane Gillis]

It's not even offensive. It's just. I'm not, like, a nice guy. And my. I'm not, like, all bubbly in my standup, so.

[Mark Normand]

And you change a word. The whole joke is different.

[Shane Gillis]

It's shot.

[Mark Normand]

They're like, we want to set from you. I sent him a set. He's like, this won't work. This won't work. Change that. I'm like, what's it. That's a different comedy show.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

It's also. To me, to do a set these days is like, it's kind of stressful. It's like, very stressful.

[Harlan Williams]

More.

[Shane Gillis]

More can go wrong than.

[Mark Normand]

Well, almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

I remember the last time I did Letterman, they beeped me like four or five times.

[Mark Normand]

What?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I'd never been beeped. I flew to New York from la. They took me around the two nights before, and they watch your set. And I did the exact set, like, probably seven or eight times in front of the producers who were with me. And I even asked them, there's a few edges. I said, are you sure you're okay with this one? They said, yep. Yeah. So I did the set that night. It killed. And I watched it and they beeped like three or four times.

[Mark Normand]

Pull it up.

[Harlan Williams]

And then they gave me shit for it. The Letterman people gave me. And I said, wait a minute. Your guys approved all.

[Mark Normand]

You approved it?

[Harlan Williams]

Well, Dave wasn't having. And I go, but it's not on me, you guys. So they made it look like I just went off. And I didn't. But it was funny because what they beeped was a reference to Disneyland, to Pillsbury, and towards sponsors, like brand names, you know, or big corporate people.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah. Now, is this on the couch or stand up?

[Harlan Williams]

This was stand up.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Oh, shit.

[Harlan Williams]

I don't know if it's there, but I never did Letterman again after that.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, man.

[Harlan Williams]

Luckily, it was towards the end of his run. But I was sort of like, well, I don't want to do it. Like, after you treated me like that, like, yeah, you told me to do it. And then you turn around and tried to blame. Like, they kind of phoned me and go, yeah, we weren't really happy with.

[Mark Normand]

Wow.

[Harlan Williams]

What are you talking about?

[Shane Gillis]

That's a real bummer, man.

[Harlan Williams]

It was really weird.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, those shows, like, that's what I mean. Those shows, they're such a tightrope. And you're like, stand up's kind of messy, dude.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

This isn't how it's supposed to be. You know, part of what I love is, like, you go to a play and something goes wrong in the play, they can't break character.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

We can kind of. Something go wrong on tv, we have to address it.

[Mark Normand]

You have to.

[Shane Gillis]

And that's kind of the beauty is standup, is that, you know, these shows are messy.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

So when they make you walk this tightrope and it's clean, they sense something's false. They sense that bit is. I don't. You feel when you do those sets that they sense you're being watered down.

[Mark Normand]

Sure, sure. And the audience on the at the club can sense it. You know, when you run your Tonight show set at a club, it's so weird. You can feel that they're. It's, it's fake and robotic and people don't like.

[Shane Gillis]

They'd like it if you wear a suit. Suit. Maybe not every comic wears a suit. I'll wear a suit because I don't mind wearing a suit. But I think some comics. That takes away from what they do.

[Mark Normand]

Sure.

[Shane Gillis]

And they look weird in the suits. I just think these weird rules just. Why don't you let the individual be the individual?

[Mark Normand]

Yeah. Well, that's the reason it's crumbly. It's the reason Chris Rock doesn't do any of them. He's like, why would I do that?

[Shane Gillis]

Does he never go on even on couch or anything?

[Mark Normand]

No, he does that, but not really anymore. But he never did stand up. I don't think maybe once. 35 years.

[Shane Gillis]

Chris's Bits are so just like, like this is the bit. Why would he change it?

[Mark Normand]

Exactly.

[Harlan Williams]

But nobody does it anymore. Like I, I don't know. One comic that's striving to get on a late night talk.

[Shane Gillis]

If you're a young comic. You are still.

[Harlan Williams]

They are.

[Shane Gillis]

I think if you're young and yeah, it's a cool. I think it's a cool thing for your parents to see if you're a young comic.

[Harlan Williams]

I haven't, I haven't heard of.

[Shane Gillis]

They moved to New York. He did fall. It's. It's a, It's a nice. I always felt those are like nice things for my folks or something. Yeah, but. Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I don't think they. They're what? They definitely weren't what they were.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Normand]

No. God, no. I think you can get more on a tick tock. Yeah. View wise to the Falins of the world.

[Shane Gillis]

But there was a period where clubs were like, no, he's been on Fallon. It's like, I'm still selling 40 tickets this weekend. But you know, there's a, There's a period where that like did help a little.

[Mark Normand]

Sure, sure, it looks good on a poster. But then it gets weird when they're like, he was on Netflix. Conan. You're like, well, Conan's over. Maybe we stopped saying that in the intro. The show is not existing.

[Shane Gillis]

That was the most fun one to do though.

[Mark Normand]

And how about Conan? This, this the. The ultimate metaphor or symbolism. The guy got fired, started a podcast which at the time was like got really demoted to a Podcast. Holy shit. These guys are all on 30 rock and all this shit. Now he's gonna be the one to. To be swimming away from the Titanic side. Sinking. They're all gonna sink the lifeboat. Lifeboat. That's the term you don't be swimming.

[Shane Gillis]

Away from the Titanic. Sink.

[Mark Normand]

Good point.

[Harlan Williams]

Wait, who's swimming away?

[Mark Normand]

Conan. Because he had a podcast early, and he looked like kind of. Not, I want to say loser, but he looked like he lost that round. And then now the whole thing's gonna topple and he's gonna be glad I had a podcast. Oh.

[Harlan Williams]

Because the other guys are gonna be gone.

[Mark Normand]

Probably. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And maybe they'll do something else, but maybe they'll do a podcast.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, maybe. But you know. Know.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

Just because you do a podcast doesn't mean it's gonna be a hit. Obama had a podcast. It got canceled. Bruce Springsteen had a podcast. He got canceled. The Kardashians had a podcast. Got canc. Wow. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

But they'll be all right.

[Mark Normand]

I'm not saying that's not the point. It's not for everybody. They couldn't do a podcast.

[Shane Gillis]

But not everyone should.

[Mark Normand]

Podcast doesn't mean it's gonna work.

[Shane Gillis]

But not everyone should be doing a. I agree.

[Mark Normand]

That's not. That's not the argument. The argument is they could start a podcast, but it could fail. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because, you know, Obama. Come on. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Biggest Obama. A known podcast.

[Harlan Williams]

His wife, isn't it? His wife.

[Mark Normand]

She has one as well. Hers is still going. His got canceled. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean, Obama is a great public speaker, but he had speech writers. That doesn't mean you're going to be a great. Oh, every president has my voice.

[Mark Normand]

My point is not everybody can do it, but I think everybody's like, oh, I have nothing going on. I'll be a podcaster. But doesn't mean it's going to work.

[Shane Gillis]

Also, I think Obama's, like, a good podcast guest. I don't think he's a great host.

[Mark Normand]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

I think that guys could talk. Like, you know, I'd hear him on podcast and be like, oh, shit, this guy watches, like, basketball on the wire. That's, like, cool for a president.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, but cigarettes.

[Shane Gillis]

But then I don't think he's a guy that. I don't think Obama. Can you imagine us having us on his show? And he's like, tell us. You know, he's more of a guy you want to hear from than like, a host.

[Mark Normand]

Agreed.

[Shane Gillis]

You know.

[Mark Normand]

Agreed. Yeah. He's A guest for sure. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Am I a guest?

[Mark Normand]

You can do both. You are. You're one of the rare talents.

[Harlan Williams]

Thanks, bud.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, you're a rare breed. I think you're our guest. We had back the most recently, like the least time in between guests. Outside of Ari. Outside of Ari.

[Harlan Williams]

Thank you.

[Shane Gillis]

But Ari just wanders in.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, he's a wanderer.

[Shane Gillis]

Half the time we don't even know Ari's going to show up. That's not on us.

[Mark Normand]

That's true. Okay. Yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

So I want to come back when wingman's out and play the trailer and clips and all that.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, send it. Send it to us. Yeah, I want to see it.

[Harlan Williams]

Thank you.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah, there's no trailer yet.

[Harlan Williams]

There is a trailer. I just got cut last week, but I don't know if I'm allowed to release it.

[Mark Normand]

Okay. Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, cool.

[Mark Normand]

But we'll put it on our page and all that.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, we'll promote it.

[Mark Normand]

Thank you.

[Harlan Williams]

I'm excited.

[Mark Normand]

Are you doing any tour dates?

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I got. If you go to harlanwilliams.com you can see my.

[Shane Gillis]

This is on September 11th.

[Harlan Williams]

Starting in September. Yeah.

[Mark Normand]

I would love to see you live.

[Harlan Williams]

You haven't.

[Mark Normand]

I don't think I ever have. What? Isn't that crazy?

[Shane Gillis]

My friend was telling me how funny you were one, like, years ago. Like. Yeah, our friend, Phil Handley. Canadian comment.

[Harlan Williams]

Oh, yeah, Phil.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. And he was. He was like texting me. He's like, man, I'm watching Harlow Williams in Vancouver. I'm laughing so hard or whatever.

[Mark Normand]

Ah, awesome. Yeah. And he's.

[Shane Gillis]

And he's filled with hate. So for him. For him to say that.

[Harlan Williams]

I don't know if I've seen you guys live either, now that I think of it. Gee, we've never done shows together.

[Mark Normand]

Well, maybe tonight. Yeah, tonight I gotta go to Long island, but I'm here all weekend if you are.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, I might do something Friday.

[Mark Normand]

Friday I'll set you up with something. Yeah, okay. We'll get you. So I'm gonna set you up just so I can watch.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm with old Shane Gillis this weekend. A couple of his dates.

[Mark Normand]

Oh, cities.

[Shane Gillis]

Grand Rapids in Detroit.

[Mark Normand]

Hell yeah. That's a fun time.

[Shane Gillis]

I had an open week weekend. He hit me up. I was like, why the.

[Mark Normand]

Why the hell not? Make some money, do an arena, have a drink. It's gonna be a great time.

[Shane Gillis]

I hope I can have a drink. I think I'll have to.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Can I make some of these? He's a beer watcher. He noticed how much you have. And he's like. He's like. He's like, you're almost done. Get another.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, yeah, but I always go, I'm doing liquor. You fat. Lay off me. You know.

[Harlan Williams]

What did you call him?

[Mark Normand]

Pollock. But he's.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, beer is not equal to, like.

[Mark Normand]

A mixed drink, but light. It's like drinking a. You know, a soda. All right, so go see him in Poughkeepsie. That's a fun room. Reading, Pennsylvania, Boston, at the Wilbur Kid.

[Shane Gillis]

It's Jeff Ross, the roastmaster.

[Harlan Williams]

I'm coming to Broadway with my new solo show, Take a Banana for the Ride.

[Shane Gillis]

Folks, I promise you a night of crazy jokes, touching family stories.

[Harlan Williams]

It'll be different every night. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll take a banana for the ride.

[Shane Gillis]

I hope we have enough tickets on sale.

[Mark Normand]

All right, where are you gonna be there? Sammy the Bull?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, I'm in Vegas at the Venetian. I'm excited. Yeah. Rochester, New York, at Comedy at the Carlson Fun Club, Chicago Theater. October 4th. Holy Winnipeg, October 5th. Then I got Riot. Saudi Arabia, baby. Let's go. Barcelona, Milan, Dublin, Liverpool, London, Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin. Back second time this year. It's wise guys in Salt Lake City because I love this club so much.

[Harlan Williams]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

And then we got. Yeah, that's in November. And then, you know, November 29th in New York City, Carnegie Hall, December 4th. I hope you guys come out. I'm trying to add some, too, but.

[Harlan Williams]

Yeah, going all over the world.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm going hard, man.

[Harlan Williams]

Good for you.

[Shane Gillis]

I took the summer kind of light.

[Harlan Williams]

So, yeah, for you. Congrats.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Punchup live Mark Norman. Punch up live Samurai.

[Mark Normand]

Hey, I'm coming to your home country.

[Harlan Williams]

Where you going? Halifax. Just there.

[Mark Normand]

I've heard it's a cool ass, like, fishing town.

[Harlan Williams]

Best. Yeah, fishing, seafood, friendliest people in Canada, on the East Coast.

[Mark Normand]

Can't wait. Well, the first show sold out, so let's pop into that second one. And we got Ottawa, I think Norms from there.

[Harlan Williams]

Norm's from there.

[Mark Normand]

Yeah, Norm McDonald's from there, Phil Hattiesburg, San Joa, Boulder, Calaratti, Riad, Oslo, Helsinki, Stockholm, Dublin, the Valley Center, Timonium, and Baltimore. Back at Magoobies. Remember that place?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, who do I remember?

[Mark Normand]

I gotta build a new hour. Dc, Rochester, make update, Niagara Falls and San Diego, Chile.

[Shane Gillis]

San Diego, California. See you guys on the road. Buy some bodega. Get a Bodega Cat Whiskey,.com message BodegaCat Whiskey on Instagram. If you want us in your bar or art. Heist I'm literally plugging our whiskey.

[Mark Normand]

Sorry, sorry. It was a timing issue.

[Shane Gillis]

Message us on Instagram. Matt will get back to you. And we love you. Keep listening. Check out Wingman, Harland's new movie. We'll see you very soon.

[Mark Normand]

Hell yeah.

[Harlan Williams]

Sunday's the day for my next bender?

[Mark Normand]

I bit up even wrecking know the beer too's close?

[Harlan Williams]

I've had a little too much burping? And Norman's talking shit about the fucking punk? And I get down in the same.

[Mark Normand]

Way up on the room watching cops coming?

[Harlan Williams]

And naked Samuel is feeling dangerous? I'm out to lunch here in New Orleans? This woman doesn't look like I remember her? And I get down in the sand white.