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He Encountered Jesus, and Many of Hell's Torments w/ Robyn Cunningham
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I was in this cave. There was this pressure. It felt like everything was pressing down on me. It was. I see this person that I know, he just got to hell and he's butt naked. Everyone's butt naked down there. And there's three women who are demons that are standing around him. I see them as the women that he sees, and they're dressed up like dominatrixes. They're there to torture him. That was his main sin. He's crawling on his hands and knees. Screams that if you heard it in this life, it blow your eardrums out. It's so loud because their whole body is screaming. But they're also singing, like, twisted Christmas carols or songs that people liked in life, like their favorite song. So when people say, oh, I heard, you know, such and such music going on down there, it's because that person liked that music. And they're using it to torture them and torment them with it. And they say, everybody reaps what they sowed down here. They'll say vulgar things like, you're mine now. I own you. You're my B word. And then continue to unconsensually violate people. And she comes up out of this pit, and she liked to gossip. She liked adultery. She enjoyed causing men to commit adultery so that she could break up their marriages. She was like a kid, man. It reminded me of a kid that's, like, about to get beaten. But he's irritated because she's screaming. So he stomped her with his foot, that psychotic, tormenting laugh. And they get pleasure not from violating people, but from the fear, the pain, the torment. They get pleasure from that. It's not where it ended. She regenerated and she was still on fire. And he grabbed her by the hair and he's dragging her off. She was a gossiper. So he bends her over the table and pulls out her tongue. Smaller demons, so disgusting, they would actually cut holes into her, crawl inside of her and start doing stuff inside of her. They're not fallen angels, those demons. They are the creatures that were alive at the time of the flood. There was no real Christians in hell. There was no people who are Christian and are trying and mess up.
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B
When someone says that's fake, he's lying.
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A
Lamentations 3. First of all, the demons aren't down there being tormented. Yet in Matthew, when they came to Jesus, when he went to the Gadarenes and the man was there with the legion of demons, they said, have you come to torment us? Before the Jonah died and went to hell, it says, it right. In Jonah 2, in Hebrew, it says that he was in Sheol for three days and three nights.
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B
Why would you want to rob yourself of a God in a presence that loves you that much? And the Lord reveals himself to me.
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This is not a podcast. This is a deliverance ministry. God is going to deliver just as many, if not more, here than he does inside of church buildings. You got to keep giving yourself over to it.
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It's proving it to you over and over.
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A
And the weightiness of your anointing. The Lord says thousands will be delivered.
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B
I'm so grateful to have my brother in the room. It's been a long time coming. I just want to welcome you to the podcast. We need to talk. Robin Cunningham.
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Cunningham.
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B
Okay. Okay. Thank you so much for being here, man.
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A
It's. It's. Honestly, it's an honor to be here, man.
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B
Listen, so I've only heard, I think, a snapshot of your testimony because God has allowed you to see so much. It always blows my mind who God selects, and he allows them to just see certain things that would just blow the minds of the typical individual. But I want to. I want to go back to how this all happened. What was it that, you know, made your experience so significant and significant and did it come out of nowhere? So if you could take us back and then walk us through some of the things that you've been able to see.
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Yeah. So really, everything started when I was a little kid. I. I wasn't raised in a Christian family. My. My dad was atheist. He just now recently says he believes in Jesus, but I was my whole life. My mom said she's Christian, but, you know, she.
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B
The.
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She loves psychics and ghosts and all this stuff. And then when I was about three years old, I want to say about three or so, I was sleeping over at my grandma's house, which they claim is haunted. You know, I know that that's demon now, but back then I was like, I don't know if I want to stay in this place with these ghosts, you know, And I'd be falling asleep, and I. I woke up, but I saw my body was on the bed, and I walked out of the living room where I was asleep, walk down a little hallway, past the front door into the kitchen, and all of a sudden, there's this picture of Jesus. I look up at it, and it transforms into like a. A door. It just opens up as a door, and Jesus walks through. And he's not like the Jesus like everybody think. You know, you look at the pictures he didn't look anything like the picture that she had on the wall. It was that classic, you know, white, brown haired, blue eyed Jesus over the rock. Like, you know. Yeah, he's much darker than that. Wow. And he has dark hair and he's definitely Jewish, but he has a really good, you know, tan to him. And he looks at me, everything transformed into this old kind of like clay adobe kind of brick house kind of thing. Not brick, but you know, like the old fashioned house. Fireplace, a table and some, some shelves over, up against the wall. And he looks at me and smiles with this Jesus smile that only he has where he looks at you like you're his favorite. You're the only one that he's ever been thinking about that he's ever wanted to see. That's how he makes everybody feels like you're the only person that, that he died for, you know. And he looks at me and he says, what would you like? And you know, he asked Solomon the same thing and Solomon's like, I need wisdom, man. Well, I was three. I said, I know there's an oatmeal raisin cookie in that jar right there. Can I get that oatmeal raisin cookie? And he smiled and he handed it to me and I was eating it and I still remember the taste of it. It was hands down the best tasting oatmeal raisin cookie. And he just smiled at me like this and patted me on the head. And then I was back in my body in my grandma's house. And when we woke up, when they woke up, I laid there, I don't know, I couldn't go back to sleep. And it was probably about 5 o' clock in the morning anyway, which is when kids wake up. And so I told my grandma and she's all excited because that's the only Christian influence that I really had in my life was my grandma, my grandpa. And you know, my grandpa's a Korean, he was a Korean War veteran and he passed away recently. And she, she's all excited. She's like, jesus visited you in your dream? Jesus visited my son in a dream. And I guess they were Baptists. So the fact that she was shocked was kind of crazy, Right. But when I was in hell, and you know, I have more to share, but when I was in hell, I saw that these things that they call aliens, they are demons, they are down there. There's a lot of them.
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B
Yeah.
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And all of the ones that they describe, I can tell you for a fact, every one of them that They've shown a picture of even the. Even the quote unquote fake ones, the ETs and stuff. They all look like. They all look like those things. They're all twisted and deformed and weird. But we can get to that later. That's actually where the Mark of the Beast comes from, too. That was pre flood. They were pre flood. Anyway.
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B
My goodness.
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And I have wrote a whole book about it called the Mark of the Beast. I actually figured out where the Mark of the Beast is in the Bible and that they have engineered it now in DNA that can be replicated.
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B
Oh, no.
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A
So anyway, for about eight years after that, I didn't really have a lot of supernatural encounters. I believed in. In Jesus, I thought, you know, I didn't ever accept him or say any prayer or anything, but I. I knew I was like, you know, I just. I just believe. I don't know how to explain it, but I didn't live a good life. I was. Sexual sin was like my big thing, you know, and just trying to formulate my thoughts here. So I don't say anything too out of control here, but about. When I was 16 years old, I was at a bus stop outside of what used to be the APEC building in Utica, New York. And that was. I guess it was a call center. It went through a couple different companies there, but eventually it landed on Verizon. I actually worked for them for a little bit. I had no business being there. None at all. Because I. One customer got mouthy with me and I was not saved. And I told this person what she could do, how she could do it, and how fast she could do it. I dropped several F bombs in the phone call with this lady. And I didn't get fired. They called me into the office, actually probably cut this part out maybe, but they called me into the office and said, we listened to this phone call because this lady reported you. If you ever talk like this again, we'll fire you. I looked at them and went, you're not going to fire me.
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B
Wow.
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I was like, really? But anyway, I was with it.
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B
That is insane.
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I know. I can't believe they let me stand because I did it more. I was raging alcoholic, on drugs. I had a big mohawk and a bad attitude. I. I didn't. I could care less about what people thought and I should have never been in customer service, you know? Yeah. But at 16 years old, I'm at this bus stop coming home from work. I was living with my grandmother at the time. I worked at St. Elizabeth's Hospital. And I was waiting at the bus stop to go from the corner of genesee and Route 5 and Bleecker to the road closest to my grandma's house, because the bus didn't go directly to her house. So I'm in front of this APAC building, and this guy in a. He's kind of a more heavyset guy, older, probably late 40s or 50s. And I was 16. He comes up to me in his blue suit and he goes, do you know where you're going when you die? And I said, yeah, I'm going to heaven. And he said, how do you know that? And I was like, it's a trick question. Because I'm a good person. Duh.
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B
Yeah.
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You know, he said. He looked at me and he said, that's not good enough. And I looked at him and I. I was actually. I felt rejected.
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B
Right.
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Because, you know, that's. That's not the best approach. You know, I'm nothing against him. He's right. Right. It's not good enough. No good works are going to get you to heaven. And he said, the only way that you can get to heaven is. Is through Jesus, because everybody sins. And I was like, not me. I'm a good person. Yeah. Like, I ain't no sinner. What are you talking about? And he goes, well, have you ever done this, that and the other thing? And it gets the part about lusting after a woman. Then I was like, I don't know what lust means. I've never heard that word. You know, it's kind of almost like. Almost like Christianese. Yeah. These days. I was like, I don't know what that means. He goes, have you ever looked at a woman and thought about sex? And I was like, well, I'm 16 years old. I'm going through puberty. Let's do the math here. Yeah, like, of course I have. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I was actually into porn when I was, like, 8 years old because of how I was raised. That was. It wasn't. It wasn't, quote, unquote acceptable, but it was accessible in my house. And, I mean, we have no problem finding my dad's stuff. I'm not trying to embarrass my dad or anything, but this is just how. How we were raised. And I was like, well, yeah, I guess then I've done all of the stuff. I guess I need Jesus. And he goes, do you want to accept him right now? I'm like, sure. What does that even look like? So he leads me through the sinner's Prayer, which I'm thankful for now, but I didn't get any discipleship after that. I didn't get an invitation to church. I didn't get anything. The only Christians that I had in my life at that time were Christians who were like me, who wanted to party and drink and be with girls and focus on sports. You know, normal kids stuff. You know, normal worldly kids stuff.
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B
Yeah.
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So I went home, and my grandma goes. And she's the only one that's allowed to call me Robbie, her and my wife's grandma, just out of respect. But I don't like being called Robbie, okay? And she goes, so what did you do today, Robbie? I think we were playing canasta, even. You know, the old, old people game. It's maybe not an old people game. I love it. And I said, well, I guess I accepted Jesus today, whatever that means. And she goes, oh, well, that's great. She was Christian, apparently. I didn't know she was Christian. My grandpa was Christian. My grandma's Christian. Apparently she's Pentecostal now. She's a little more vocal about it.
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B
Okay.
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She. She thought that was the best thing ever. And I was like, yeah, sweet, cool. You know what? Like, I guess I'm Christian. So I professed that I was Christian, but I got worse and worse and worse. When I was in high school, you know, it's normal to drink a little and want to sleep around or smoke some pot or whatever. And I didn't think anything of that. But it was after I got out of high school. I got married pretty much immediately after. That didn't last. We both were immature and we had no business getting married. I thought that I was Christian, but I was into all kinds of bad stuff. And we ended up getting divorced. We had a son. His name's Noah.
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B
And my son's name, Noah, my last one.
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That's the best. And his name is Noah William Andrew, which, the letters are still no, wa, nwa. Not intentional. But I remember sitting on the porch smoking weed with one of my friends from school. We'll just call him Bogues, because that's what he likes to go by. So I'm not trying to. You know, I don't know where he's at in life or anything like that.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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And he says, I worship Satan. And I was like, okay, I worship God. I was like, who cares? At least you chose something. I always. I always thought, you know, I have more respect for a person who chooses to worship Satan than an atheist who chooses to believe. There's nothing. Wow. I was like, you know, there's God and you chose evil. But an atheist is the fool.
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B
Wow.
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What the word says a fool says there is no God in the atheist. Whole thing is, I'm so smart. But they're a fool because they said there's no God. Whereas Satanists say, yeah, there's God, I hate him, but he exists.
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B
Either you choose to be hot or cold, right?
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And he said, I had everything that I want, and of course I was in them. I didn't have any church. I was of the mindset that you're supposed to be as a Christian, poor, celibate, no drinking, no drugs, no alcohol. Of course, don't do that stuff. No fornicating, no sex, no fun, no joy, no happiness. I thought that that was where what the pursuit of happiness was, was being carnal and getting drunk and hanging out with my friends and working just enough to pay bills or whatever, just to be able to party. He said, I get everything that I want in my life right now. Money, cars, women, drugs, whatever I want, Satan gives it to me. Why would I wait until the afterlife to have it?
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C
Oh, my goodness.
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I looked at him and you would think that I would be tempted or enticed because I was poor and I like drugs and women and stuff back then. And I just looked at him and I said, hell's real hot, dude. And he just looked at me. And we continued smoking weed and drinking and stuff and hanging out, but I didn't have any conviction.
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B
Wow.
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I remember my friend Jonathan Siriaco from Bronx. He said, don't be the Christian that your friends are okay, sitting in front of, because that doesn't mean you're the cool guy.
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B
Come on, man.
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That means your conviction doesn't convict them. And now looking back at that, I was like, I had no conviction.
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B
Come on, man.
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A
And then later, another one of my friends who worships a horse goddess named Aponia. These are the people I hung out with. I was in a relationship with a witch. She had an altar. We were doing sex magic and. And all this stuff. And I didn't know it at the time. And she ended up breaking up with me because she put her altar up in the bedroom. And I was like, whatever, you know, of course there's no crosses or crucifixes in the house. And her tarot cards are in there and stuff. She puts an altar there and then she puts bread in the center. And you're supposed to, I guess, think about the things that you want. And then, you know, Whatever. I want to get graphic on it. But the bread's there for the. The God. It's. It's a false communion.
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C
Yeah.
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False and intercourse relationship. Like what God wants, but twisted. And I ate the bread. She goes, that was not for you. She was so offended. And I was like, who's it for? I mean, first of all, why did you even put bread in the bedroom? Like, does this make sense? Are you George Costanza? Like, who are we talking? What are we doing here? She ended up breaking up with me the next week. She was not happy about that. I was talking to my friend.
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B
There it is.
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Who worshiped Eponya, the horse goddess. It's a Celtic God. And there's reasons he did that I don't want to talk about. He said, your God lets you drink and party and sleep with women and do witchcraft and do drugs and everything. And all you have to do is ask for forgiveness and you're forgiven. But then you have to turn around and act like you believe in Jesus. You want to turn around and act like you're better than us and try and tell us how we need Jesus. He said, why would I need a God that lets you do the same things that my God does right now? Why would I need that God? And I was like, dang, that's a good point, man. Checked you, man. I was like, of course you don't need my God. Our gods are the same, right? And I remember another one of my friends, atheists, he said, why wouldn't you tell me about Jesus? Why wouldn't you tell me about Jesus if you think that that's the only way for me to get to heaven, and that's the most loving thing that you can do. This still crushes me. He said, why wouldn't you tell me about him? Because if you really think that that's the best way, that that's the only way to get to heaven, and you don't tell me. It tells me you love yourself more than me because you're afraid to tell me or you just straight up hate me. And I was like, man, you know, I didn't have any. I didn't know. I didn't have any conviction, know anything. And I was like, I guess that's right. I guess that's exactly it. I was really. I just didn't want to deal with being rejected. I don't want to deal with the attitude and the ignorance that comes when you tell people about Jesus. But also, I was a hypocrite. I was the one that greasy grace I was one. I thought I was a Christian, but I was not really saved. And that friend that worshiped Aponia, he actually choked me to death. In 2009. We went to a bar drinking, and he wanted to start a fight with people at the bar, which I was cool with that. I like to start fights. I have this ability in me where I can feel people's emotions and I can kind of sense what they're thinking through their emotions. And I would use that gift that God gave me to manipulate people, to cause them to have arguments. I did it for fun.
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B
Wow.
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A
And nobody ended up wanting to fight us. So we started flashing, you know, big wads of money and stuff to try and get someone to try and rob us or something. Just give us an excuse to either beat you up or kill you. That's where I was at. I didn't care. I hated people. I didn't care. But anyway, oh, I'm a Christian. I hated everyone. What does one John say? If you say that you love God, but you hate your brother who's made in the image of God, you're a liar. You hate God. So apparently I hated God. And even Paul said there was people in the book of Acts. He said, maybe it wasn't Acts, but he said they reject Christ through their actions. That was me. So people will be like, I never. I said this. I will never reject you, God. I will never give up. I always told people about you. I always believed in you. And I read that when I got saved. He rejects them with their actions. And I was like, that's why. He says, when they said, did we cast out devils? Didn't we do these signs and wonders? And didn't we prophesy in your name? And he said, I never knew you. There was no relationship. There was no. You thought you had something, but you didn't because there was nothing. I. I said that stuff. And then something weird happened. My TV comes on. And it's this flat screen tv. It's. It's old. So when I say flat, it's like, it's really good. 50 pounds. It's still 13 inches, but it comes on. And this was right when they had switched from analog signals to digital, where I couldn't get signal anymore without an antenna, which then I learned you can actually use a paperclip. And that still works. But anyway, my TV comes on and it's on tbn, which was a free local station.
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B
Yes.
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And I'm. I'm, you know, now I don't really watch TBN very much. I don't watch much tv, but Joseph Prince was on. Yeah, I don't even watch him very much anymore. And he was talking about maybe you're a backsliding Christian. And he listed all the stuff that I'd been doing. He's like, your back slid in. I didn't know what that meant, but how he explained it made perfect sense. And he's like, you've given up. Maybe you're questioning. And I had said, I had said literally that same day, is Muhammad the right God or is Allah the right God? Is Muhammad right? Are you all the same God but different names? Because that's what it seems like. Everybody has a little piece of the puzzle. And I know I'm just going to throw it all together. And I got my God and whatever one I identify with, that's the God that I serve. And I'm like, but I'm. I don't want to serve you. I mean, I had been to the point of depravity where I had literally, I was afraid to say it out loud, so I whispered it and I said, man, I would sell my soul to have sex right now and have a 30 pack of beer. Like, I didn't, you know, looking back on that, I didn't value anything.
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B
Wow.
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And I was so ticked off. And Joseph Prince starts talking about this stuff and how your backslidden Christian lists all the things that I did, everything, everything that I just said. And then he leads, he says, but guess what? He forgives you. Come on, you can come back to him. And if you want to, you can invite him into your heart and really get saved. So I said the sinner's prayer because there was no way he wasn't talking to me just now in that pre recorded video. You know, I don't know how the TV came on. I don't know how Joseph Prince was on there. And it was black and white and grainy. I don't even know why I even watched it with such low quality, you know. And I said the sinner's prayer. And this time something changed. And I, I was like, this feels different.
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B
Wow.
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A
And I said, God, you get me out of this house, give me a place to stay, give me a job and get me into church right now. And I promise you that I will never turn back from you ever again. And I walked out because I was just freshly saved. I went out to the refrigerator and grabbed a beer, sat down in my living room, smoked my weed, smoked my cigarette. My friend called me on the phone and he says, what are you doing right now? And I was like, I'm just sitting here drinking a beer and smoking.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And he said, yeah. I was driving around praying for a while, and I felt like God was saying this was the only Christian friend that I had in my life, you know, but we still drank together and stuff. He said, I felt like God was telling me that you need a place to stay.
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B
Whoa.
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A
So I talked to my wife, and she said, you can come stay with us if you want, but I'll help you get a job and we'll take you to church, whatever it takes to help you get on your feet. And I said, yeah, that sounds great. How soon can you be here? He said, well, how soon can you have your bags packed? And I was like, I'll be ready to go in like 10 minutes. He goes, great, because I'm in your driveway right now. He lived 20 minutes away. And God already answered my prayer and sent someone before I prayed. It just blows me away that he loved me that much. Which is funny because I remember before that happened, I had another out of body experience. I was out of my body on the side of my bed. There was a window at the end of my bed, and there was a window at the foot of my bed. I was out of my body, looking at my body in the bed, and I saw this demon come in. Weird, deformed, twisted. He had on chains and a gold crown. It was rusty. All metal rusts in hell. That's what that scripture says, where gold doesn't rust. Gold doesn't rust on earth, but it does rust in the afterlife, in hell. And this demon came in the window, jumped into my head. And on the way in, he said, I'm going to do whatever I want with this body. And I could do nothing to stop it. Jesus came in the window at the foot of my bed, and he said, no, I still have a purpose for this one. And that demon went fast. I went back into my body, and Jesus looked at me and he goes and just smiled that I love you so much smile. And now looking back, I re. He told me. He said, I saw you for who you were going to be, not for who you were.
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B
Come on, man. No.
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A
And that's how he looks at us.
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B
Thank you, Lord.
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We don't know we're going to get saved. We don't know when we're going to get saved. We don't know what we're going to be like when we die. But he does. And he's not looking at you like that. Horrible Pitiful sinner. He's looking at you like, I died for you. You don't know it yet.
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B
Come on.
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But I died for you.
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B
Come on.
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And he loves you just as much in hell as he does in heaven. And it hurts him more than anyone could comprehend. If you go to hell.
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B
Wow.
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So I ended up getting into the prophetic. I saw John Paul Jackson. I saw him on the show I'd only heard of because one of my friends was Christian and she watched. It's Supernatural.
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B
Okay. Yeah.
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John Paul Jackson was on there talking to Sid Roth, and I was like, who's this guy? And he's talking about, God speaks through dreams, and he still speaks today and all this stuff. And I was like, no way. I thought dreams were just a bunch of bull crap. I thought that was like a witch thing or psychics that get into that. It turns out that's my purpose, is dream interpretation. Jesus told me this. We'll get there, though. And I was like, well, I want to do that. And what I've realized is, as a Christian, what you're called to do is what you're drawn to do in life, what you're drawn to as a Christian. You know, you start. You're like, man, like, I want to learn everything about audio and visual engineering. I think that's the coolest stuff. That's what my grandpa did. He had a degree in it and he worked for News Channel, too, from when they opened until I think, like 49 years or something like that, or maybe a little less. And then he retired. But this is stuff that I think is super cool. But I was drawn to the prophetic immediately when I became saved. And so people are like, well, what's my purpose? And I was like, well, do you watch. Do you prefer to watch how to cast out demons? How to speak in tongues? Do you prefer to watch how to pray for people or faith miracles or whatever? You know, what you're naturally drawn to when you become a Christian. That's what you're called to.
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B
That's good.
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It's. It took me a long time to figure that out, too. And that even manifests from a dream interpreter perspective. That manifests through what you do as a job, especially if your first job. My first real job, I was a janitor, so I was called to clean up stuff in a school. So I was called to clean up things. And that's part of what I've. What I've been called to do, you know, or. Your first car. My first car was a Taurus, you know, A Ford Taurus. Ford is like a fort, so fortified, build up things, strongholds. And a Taurus is like a bull, strong, powerful. In Hebrew it's the Aleph, it's the chief, it's the head, you know, so called to be in leadership, called to, you know, also submit to God. But anyway, I forget where I was going with that.
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B
Those giftings that you begin to identify in yourself, that you began to realize that God was calling you towards dream interpretation.
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A
Oh yeah, okay, right. Saw John Paul Jackson and then I, I was like, that's what I want. I started to learn everything about dream interpretation. I was like, this is what Christianity is. This is dream. Dream interpretation is what it, what it is. And it took me a long time to realize there was more to it than that. You know, I wanted to cast out devils and stuff. After I got saved, I was drinking with a friend because I was fresh out of the factory, you know, still had fresh cigarette smoke smell. I quit smoking. I quit porn immediately because I looked in the, I looked, I got on my Googler, my Google machine.
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B
Google now it's, now it's chat GPT, right?
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A
Yeah. Or grok.
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B
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
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A
I, I got on Google and I said everyone would always say this to me, especially at youth groups. This was what was prevalent among the, you know, Christian teenagers was I can look at porn because the Bible doesn't say that you can't look at porn and it's not having sex before marriage. So I said, God, I need to know this if I'm going to worship you. I want to be pure. I want to do what's right. So I googled, is porn mentioned in the Bible? And I kept coming up with the word fornication and some weird numbers next to it and stuff that I'd never seen as Strong's concordance before. Well, it took me a while and I was like, well, I guess it's not mentioned in the Bible. And then God goes, look again. And he kept giving me that little look at the screen and read, you thick headed person, you man. And I looked. And the word for fornication is in Greek porn.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
And I was like, okay, porn's mentioned in the Bible. I can't look at this. So I quit. I had a harder time quitting cigarettes and chewing tobacco than quitting that. It was supernatural. It just, it just, God took it away. I became celibate. Seven years later I met my wife. So I became a dream interpreter. I thought that I was going to be working for John Paul Jackson. One day because the Lord told me I was going to be moving to Texas and doing something with Streams Ministries. And that did happen, but he died before I got to go down there. And I was grieved in the spirit because I knew people that worked with him, that were close friends with him and stuff. And I was like, one of these days they're going to invite me down here and ask me my ticket.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because I was, I was minded like that. That's not it. I'm like, no, you do the hard work.
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B
Come on.
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A
You do. You do the work and you earn it. And God promotes you. And be thankful he doesn't promote you before you're ready.
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B
Wow.
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A
Because if I was promoted before I was ready, I was a wreck. I would have hurt people.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
The devil doesn't care. He'll. The devil will promote you because you don't want to listen to God. He'll promote you immediately because he knows what's a little collateral damage. Yeah, you'll get some people healed, you'll get some people saved, but you're going to hurt more people because of your sexual sin, your alcohol addiction. He's like, I'll tear your family apart because you got drugs and alcohol. Or I'll tear your family apart because you're not submitted to me in sexual purity. And now you're going to cheat. And there's demons that are assigned for that.
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C
Wow.
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A
And if he, if he had promoted me before I was ready, there was a demon assigned to me that told me to my face, I will make you cheat.
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B
Oh, heck no.
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A
Yeah, this is nasty, deformed frog looking thing.
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B
And you said the enemy would love for you to be promoted before you're healed, before you're set free, before your God has done the full work in you. Because he said even if you get some people blessed, you'll hurt a lot more than you heal. That is powerful, man.
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That will. It will. It will destroy people. Like, I couldn't imagine ever cheating on my wife and hurting my sons, hurting my wife. You know, I've. I'm a man. I have made her cry. And that hurts my heart.
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B
Yes.
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A
I couldn't imagine breaking her trust and not being there for my kids, but that's what Satan wants. And you think, oh, that would never happen to me. I'm not trying to sound rude or disrespectful, but it's happened to almost every prophetic minister. We've seen great ones. Bob Jones, what's his name? Mike Bickle. You know, it didn't Just. It's because you weren't submitted in that area and you were promoted too soon.
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B
Oh, keep me low, Lord, low.
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A
Lessons we learned. I took. I took that to the extreme. And my wife has access to my phone.
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B
Everything.
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A
Everything. And I've got this thing called Victory App, which takes screenshots of my stuff and sends it to her. I don't look at porn. I don't look at anything that I'm not supposed to look at. But I want her to know that.
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B
Yes.
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A
And if she wants to see that.
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B
Yes.
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A
I want her to see that so that she can trust me.
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B
It's called prevention, man.
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A
Right.
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B
It's far better than having to backtrack and have to rebuild trust when you're just already an open book.
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A
Yeah. That's it. And if you're serious, do that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And what I think is, you know, if you don't want to. If you don't want to be embarrassed, get an accountability partner. And I'm not talking about like, oh, you call your friend when you're in about to sin, or something like that. Because 90% of the time, you don't call your friend. I'm talking about, let them get a text message notification saying that you're on some site you're not supposed to be on. Come on. And they got to call you and tell you, bro, what are you doing?
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B
Absolutely. You want to get serious, you got
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A
to be willing to be ready to be embarrassed. Because if you don't embarrass sin, sin will embarrass you.
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B
Well, That's so good. And it. It. And. And I know some watching are like, that sounds extreme. It sounds like it's too much. But Jesus said, man, Matthew, I believe it's an 18. If. If your eye offended you, cut it off.
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A
If.
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B
Is it Matthew 15, one of those. If your eye offended you, cut it off. If your. Your. Your hand offended you, cut it off. Like, that sounds extreme, but that's how serious it is. Because if we leave ourselves to ourselves, then we are capable of the unimaginable. So what you're doing is not extreme. That's what obedience looks like. Because obedience is so much better than sacrifice.
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A
Yeah. Imagine that. Imagine I have a TikTok, and I make memes on TikTok. And one of the ones I made was from this cartoon from Cartoon Network. And it says how Saul was like when Samuel said, obedience is better than sacrifice. And, you know, he had just sacrificed all his cattle and said, I did this for God because you were late. And he goes, God likes obedience more than sacrifice. And it's the cartoon character going,
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B
that's it, man, that's real.
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A
That's how it feels.
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B
That's how we are.
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A
So I got into that dream interpretation and the prophetic stuff. And the reason I say this is because I met my wife in dreams before I met her. And she met me in dreams before I met her. I'm from New York, she's from Oklahoma. Never in my wildest imagination did I think I would marry someone from the state of Oklahoma. Right. Nothing against Oklahoma, for those of you who are out there from Oklahoma, but I thought y' all were living in teepees. Basically. That's a joke. I did ask my wife, where are the cowboys and where are the Indians?
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B
Listen, I lived in Obama for six months. I was wondering the same thing.
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A
She said, what did you think Oklahoma was before you got here? And I was like, we have Amish people in New York. Like, you know, they're in their horse and buggy and don't use electricity. Is it so far fetched to think, Right, come on, that y' all still have like, I, I was under the impression that there was still like ranchers, road cowboys and stuff.
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B
Wild.
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A
I did see people riding on their horses in the streets, but not in Oklahoma City. It was in Del City, which is basically not nice part of that area. She goes, well, this is what you expect out here. And I was like, this is what I expect everywhere. I don't know what you're talking about.
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B
That's hilarious.
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A
But anyway, I had a dream in 2000 and I want to say 2014, so it was three years before I met her. And I walked into this house and I saw her sitting in a chair. And I said, you're not going to believe this, but God told me that you were supposed to be my wife. And she goes, oh, really? In the dream? And I said, yeah, absolutely. And so he told me that you weren't going to believe me, so. And I pull out a notebook out of my pocket, just a big notebook, so you know it's a dream. And I said, so I wrote down everything that he told me about you so that I could use it for confirmation when I meet you. And she goes, well, tell me it. So I said, you know, you're 25 years old. You're, you're not officially adopted, but you're adopted because you've been raised by other people, not because your parents are dead, but because they're divorced. And I, I had her mom's name and her Aunt's name and everything, wrote it down. And she goes, okay, I'm waiting. At that time, she was in a relationship with somebody and would be for the next three years. He kept her on the hook and never proposed. And I say, thank you, God. Thank you for that, man. Having commitment issues.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Dropping the ball because I needed seven years to mature, to be able to marry a woman like her. I wasn't ready for her. She was ready. She was ready. I was not ready. She. I haven't. I even wrote down, you're a virgin. 25 years old and you're a virgin. Which almost unheard of these days. I was not. But I had been celibate for seven years because the moment that I got saved, I quit everything. Not that there wasn't temptation, not that there wasn't opportunity, but I take my walk with God serious. And I took it serious.
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B
Come on, man.
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A
And so then I had another dream. And in that dream, her name was Carol. And an angel walks up to her and points at her and says, oh, in that first dream, I said, okay. And I walked around the house, and she said, I'm waiting for you. And her dad comes out, and it's not her dad in real life. He's a very tall guy, probably six foot, something. He had a long white beard, white hair, a white flowing robe with gold sash going down it. And he walks up to me and he smiles at me. Would that Jesus smile? And he says, this is a gift for you. And I remember there was a fireplace right next to me, and it said Grace on it. And the name of our ministry is Fireside Grace. I didn't know that. I didn't make that connection. And he handed me this letter, and I opened it up, and he says, this is a gift for you. And it says, csr. Couldn't imagine what that meant. I thought maybe that's initials or something. And later he said it means, seize her Caesar. Csr, which. The Hebrew letters that they use for Kaiser in Hebrew would be translated as CSR Caesar. They would say Kaiser or something like that. So. And I have that dream that she's named Carol and she's pregnant and we're married. And this angel walks up and points at her belly and says, we will call this one Grace. And then I found out. They said, we'll call this one Grace Cunningham. And then I found out when she was in high school, everybody called her Grace. That was what she was known as, and her name was Carol. So I was like, well, that's interesting. So I meet Her I went through some stuff I want to talk about because the other person's alive. And it was a very difficult time for me and for them. And I helped this person who was suicidal. Her husband left her. She had five kids. The Lord had me stay. I was supposed to go and help them do a conference in Picayune, Mississippi. And the Lord came and told me, because I'm fixing to pack my bags up and leave. I ain't staying in no house with a woman whose wife husband just walked out on her and five kids. That looks bad. That does not look Christian. And Jesus came and said, I want you to stay and help take care of these kids until they're restored.
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B
Wow.
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A
He said, until they're reformed. But restored is what we associate with. And I understood when he said it. He didn't want them to be restored back to how they were. He wanted them to be reformed and brand new.
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B
Gotcha. That's good.
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A
And so I stayed for three months in this situation that looked horrible. And my reward for that was I got to intercede and pray for them. Eventually, they got back together after three months. And I told her husband what Jesus told me. After all the name calling and everything, I could have given up. You know, it doesn't look good. Some young single man. And I'm. At the time, I was skinnier. And I know I'm not ugly, so I can understand what people are thinking, you know, I told him, jesus wants you performed, not restored. And he broke down and started crying. I prayed for him. He ended up getting deliverance. They got back together. They're strong. They haven't had any issues since then. My reward for interceding them was meeting my wife.
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B
Whoa.
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A
So I was with this family. We went to Oklahoma City to do dream interpretation, which at that point I was so good at, but not because I really understood it, because I was just gifted at. Now I understand it and I can teach it. And I. I'm sitting up on the stage and I'm playing drums, and this girl walks up to me and I'm not really looking. I'm not really paying attention. I had literally just said, I'm not looking for a wife. I don't care if I ever get married. After seven years of not being in a relationship, not doing anything with anybody, you don't care anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, there comes a point where you're like, I'm healed. I'm free from this. And she says, can I play that? And I'm like, my guitar. I Was playing my guitar. That's right. It wasn't drums. I was like, my guitar? Who do you think you are, asking to play my guitar? Just walking up here and asking. I was like, sure.
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B
So your mom.
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A
And it was her from the dream. And I was like,
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B
so your current wife?
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A
Yeah, I was like, my name's Robin, by the way. And she goes, brandy. So afterwards I go up and talk to her, and I'm like, I know that she's the one. You know, I know what God told me. And I wrote down everything from that dream in my phone so that when it happened, I would have it ready. And I had it ready. And I just knew I was going to eventually I was going to meet her. And I said, I know your name is Brandy. You know my name is Robin. But let me ask you this. Do the names Carmen and Carol mean anything to you? Is it like your middle name or something? She gives me the what are you stalking me look like. She goes, why? And I said, I literally had this thought in my head. Do I tell her that God said she's supposed to be my wife?
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B
Yeah, that's the ultimate Christian boy. Flat, red, flat.
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A
Right? Or. And scare her away so that she'll never talk to me again? Or do I act like it's just something prophetic, brush it off, and then bring it up later if I can get her number or something down the road so I don't scare her away? And I thought, you know what? I'm leaving town tomorrow. Didn't leave town the next day, by the way. I'm leaving town tomorrow. I'm just going to say it. I said, well, it's pertaining with who God said was going to be my wife. And she goes, well, Carmen is my mom's name and Carol is my aunt's name. Why do you ask? And I said, well, it's because God said that you were going to be my wife. And she looks at me, and instead of being like, get out of here, I could say it in my New York accent, get the heck out of here. What are you talking about? Except not so polite, right? And she looks at me and she goes, your middle name wouldn't happen to be Joseph by any chance, would it? And I was like, as a matter of fact, it is. Why do you ask? And she said, because God told me that I would always have a Joseph in my life. And I knew that he was talking about my husband. And so I said, my middle name is Joseph. And she goes, show me your license.
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B
It's crazy.
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A
So I showed it to her because she doesn't just take anyone. I tell people she's from the south side of heaven. She's not above just. Yes. Slipping a little knife in there. Which she actually threatened me in the car. So, like, right after that, she's like, well, God told me, you know? And we're like, well, I guess that's that. You know, this is settled. That was scary.
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B
You guys both knew in that moment that God called you to be together.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was crazy. She had actually. God had told her that her husband was going to be a musician. I'm a musician. I can play. I could pick up an instrument and play it. I can sing. But it's only because God gave me a gift. Like, I couldn't sing until I asked him. And it gave me a voice to be able to sing, but only if I'm like, in. In the spirit. Like, I can sing normal, right? It's fine. But when I'm in the spirit, I can sing. Sing. And he gave her all this information beforehand. And so, you know, we're on. Going on our first date. She wants to take me to a pizza place. And I was like, you made a mistake. Steak. I'm from New York. I don't like anybody's pizza. But the restaurant that she wanted to go to was closed, but the bar was still open. So she wanted to see what kind of. If I was a religious person, I'd be like, I'm not going in there, or whatever. So we go in there. I'm eating the pizza. It's disgusting. But I was like, it's okay. You know, it's not New York pizza. It's this tiny little thing with barbecue sauce on it. Oh, no. And somebody comes up and says something to her. And I said, can I just tell you what God told me about you right now? This lady was drunk. We were at a bar. It was someone that Brandy knew from high school. And I said, I just want you to know that God sees the troubles that you're going through right now. He sees the pain, the heartache, the hurt. You're trying to do everything by yourself, raise your kids, trying to do all this by yourself. He sees you, and he loves you, and he has not given up on you. And she just starts crying. And then Brandy goes, I was literally praying to God, how can I minister to her and not be disrespectful to you? So our first date, we know we're going to get married. We're ministering to people in a bar. Eating pizza. But that was pretty cool. She told Thunderstorm to go that way, and it went that way. Immediately when we were sitting in a park, I was like, this is it. Like, you can't find this. 13 days later, we got married.
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B
13 what?
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A
13 days later. We've been married for nine years. August 18th. She hates when I tell people how fast we got married. She's like, because how do we tell people that that's not a good idea, that that's not smart?
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B
Listen, when God ordains it, 13 days, that's man. Listen, if you're watching this, go ahead and look. God is still in the business of revealing his plans. That is incredible. Okay?
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A
And now we have two sons. Asher. He's going to be eight in August. August 22nd. We wasted no time.
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B
Our birthday is August 24th, so we're two days apart.
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A
That's great. And then Joseph was born September 16th, a couple years later, in 2021, three years later. And then, you know, we had that whole Covid story, and we ended up moving to exposing. So Jesus came to me and was talking to me about somebody. Somebody's son at a church we were going to. He said, they're being trafficked. And I was like, what do you mean, trafficked? Like, you know, when I think of trafficking, I think of, like, adult. I just don't know how to say it without getting you banned or censored, but you know what I mean. Talking about fornicating, essentially, you know, and he goes, no, he's being trafficked as a slave. And I was like, oh, I forgot that was a type of trafficking. I forgot that it's not just fornication, slavery. It's also that. And so I told them, your son, Jesus. Jesus came, which never comes off easy. Never comes off good. Sounds like I'm just making this up because I want to sound cool. And I was like, jesus told me your son's being trafficked. And we reported it to the local police in Oklahoma City. Well, then there were people showing up at our house, taking pictures of our house and our kids and stuff. So we called the FBI. The FBI said, don't report trafficking to the local police. They're almost always owned. If it's happening in that town, they're owned. And they were. They said. I said. We said, well, what do we do? And they said, well, just lay low. Maybe move, you know, if you can relocate to a safe area and just lay low for a while. So we ended up moving that traffic ring, ended up getting busted, like, five years later. I don't want to mention it by name because I don't want to be, like, you know, exposed for that. But, yeah, that was something. And it was a cult. It was disguised as Christian. And what's funny is they were teaching all new Apostolic Reformation stuff, which I'm not 100% against, you know, because Brandy comes from Glory of Zion with Chuck Pierce and stuff. And we have nothing against the new Apostolic Reformation, but it was disguised as that branch. They were only reading books from Bethel. This is all red flags, in my opinion. And they were being forced to fast. They didn't have their license. I found all this out from the mom. He didn't have his license. He didn't have any id. He was not allowed phone calls. He could talk to his parents once a month for, like, five minutes. They couldn't meet in person. They could only talk on the phone. Forced to fast. He was like 6 foot 5 or something, and he was like 90 to 100 pounds because they were starving him to death. And he was being forced to go out and mo lawns as acts of service or whatever they. They constituted it as. And so that was something. And then they were also trafficking females as well through that. Through that cult. And I had actually told a friend about it, and. And he knew exactly what I was talking about because he had to rescue somebody from that. And he was like, it was so hard to get her. They. She was so brainwashed. That caused us to move to Alabama. When we moved to Alabama, Brandy became a professional dog trainer. I didn't want her to do that because that required us to have two dogs in an rv, because that's what we had at the time, and two more dogs on top of the four that we had, which she can make room for dogs. She can make room for anything when she wants to make room for something, you know? And I said, absolutely not. We're not going to do that. But the next day, I was up and I was praying early in the morning, because I get up super early in the morning to pray, because that's what it says Jesus did. He got up before the sun was up and he prayed. Supposed to be living like him. So I do that. It's my personal conviction not everyone has to do that or can do that, whatever. And while I was praying, I forgot about that. I didn't know where it was supposed to be. And he said, I want you to let Brandy train those dogs. You're gonna move to Knoxville. And I was like, great, wonderful. So I went and I told her in the morning when she woke up, and she goes, I prayed and asked God to speak to you, because I know that that's what I'm called to do. So she got a hold of the person, went up there, became a professional dog trainer. And then she taught me how to be a professional dog trainer. So I add that to the list. And we ended up moving up to Tennessee. She became the, like, a manager over 9 of the companies that she was training for. And in a very short period of time. And so that caused us to move to Tennessee. And that's where I had an encounter with Jesus. And I want to say early 2021. And I had a dream. In the dream, there was two angels, very, very tall, taller than that chandelier. And they were walking up with a boy, young boy, probably 12, 13 years old. And I saw all these prophetic people in the background. And there's these big windows behind me, which I know represents open vision because they were huge, see through. Okay. So I knew this is a vision. And the angels walk up to me and they said, this is Kim Clement's son that was birthed shortly before he passed away. God would like you to raise him up and teach him how to prophesy. And I said, no, not my monkey, not my circus. This is not what I'm going to do. I'm not going to raise somebody else's son. I don't care. So I went and sat down. The angels were not happy, but they didn't say it. They just looked at me like. And so I sat and I watched and I watched all these famous prophetic people, some of them I remember, some of them, I don't have any idea who they were now, but I knew them. In the dream, they were walking up and they were trying to use the Clement name. They were trying to use him and his prophecies and his son and his child to benefit themselves, to pad their pockets, to look prophetic and just manipulate things and use what Kim had birthed. Don't see that happening today, do we? And I became indignant in the dream, and I said, that's not right. So I went up to him and I decided, I'm going to raise this kid. I said, here's what's going to happen. I've decided that I'm going to raise you and teach you how to prophesy and teach you everything you need to know about being a Christian. And when you've reached maturity, then I'll let you go and do what you were born to do. And Everything went black. And it wasn't dark black. It was like space black.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Space is not dark, even though people think it is. You don't need a flashbulb to take a picture in space. It's there. You can see. Right? So it's dark, but it's bright. How do you explain that? Right? And Jesus just walks and shows up like he does. Like, you don't question it. And he looks at me and he says, you have been called to raise up a prophetic generation that was birthed shortly before Kim Clement passed away and to teach the body of Christ how to hear God's voice through dream interpretation. And I had rejected that before. That's why I rejected when they said, God wants you to raise this, this son, this generation. And I was like, I'm not going to do that. I was so burned out from dream interpretation because I didn't have good boundaries. And so that. That changed my walk. That changed how I was going to approach Christianity. So I started the YouTube channel. I started to try and learn and grow and figure this thing out and make mistakes and expect people to have grace for me. But when you're in the prophetic community, they expect you to be infallible. As soon as you make a mistake, they're like, stone him. I was like, says the person who's getting stoned while you're reviewing all that. Like, I love the people that hate me, especially since seeing hell. But I really love them because they come to my YouTube channel and watch everything all the way through, and it helps my stats go up. I do love them. But I've recognized, you know, there's grace for people who are learning how to pray for people to be healed. And if you pray someone doesn't get healed, they don't reject you and say you're a false healer. There's grace for people who are learning how to cast out devils. And when they come to you for deliverance and you can't do it, they don't get mad at you and say, you're a false deliverance man. Minister to like, they just say, well, what's wrong? And make up a new doctrine. Right? But anyway. But when it comes to the prophetic, you're expected to know everything. You're expected to have all the answers, and you're always compared to Samuel. And they say, show me in the Bible where it says that a prophet ever got wrong. I can, Nathan. I'll get there in a second. But that's, that's the expectation of people in the prophetic Is that you have to be infallible. And I was like, at what point do prophetic people get put on the same level as God, that we can't make mistakes, that there's no grace? But Nathan, David said to Nathan, I want to build a house for God. And Nathan said, the Lord is with you. Go do it. And then immediately that night, he came to Nathan and said, you're wrong. David cannot build my house because he's a man of war and he has blood on his hands. His son is going to do it. By today's standards, that's a false prophetic word from a known prophet. Because he said, God's God said, do it. He's with you. And God said, no, no, no, I did not say that. You know, it's like. And they'll be like, well, he should have been stoned to death then. But God didn't say that. Or the man of God and the prophet, the man of God came, you know, he tore down the altar and everything. God told him, don't go back that way. You know, don't eat, don't drink. Don't go back the way you came. And then it says, a prophet came and lied to him and said, God told me that you can come eat with me. He didn't say that the person was a false prophet. He said he was a prophet. Well, but he lied. And that's what character comes into play.
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B
There we go.
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A
That's where you. You hurt people. The devil's like, man, he's got a weakness. He can't tell the truth all the time.
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B
Oh, have mercy.
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A
And so they make stuff up to look prophetic, him look godly. And it hurts people in the long run, it can cause someone spiritual or physical death. So the same thing in the New Testament, Agabus. And I want to say it's Acts 21. Agabus comes up, he ties up Paul's hands, and he says, the same way that I'm tying your hands with this belt, the Romans, the Jews are going to tie you up and surrender you to the Romans. That didn't happen. Not like that. That would be considered a false prophecy. What happened was Paul was getting stoned to death and beaten by a mob of Jews. And then the Romans came in and said, oh, there's about to be a riot. Arrest this man that's getting beaten to death. Clearly, he's the one that's in the fault. Like, where's your brain at? Like, come on. Yeah, the guy's getting beaten. He's wrong. Let's not stop the aggressors, you know, and so they arrest him. The Jews didn't arrest him and hand him over. They wanted to kill him the whole time. They were going to try and ambush the Roman guards and kill him. And it didn't happen, praise God.
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B
Wow.
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A
Because he got to testify. But that would be considered a false prophecy. That crazy.
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B
My goodness. So when did it happen? When you had the encounter where you saw what happened in hell. So this was later on?
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A
Yeah, it was actually in 2022, I was taken up to heaven, and then in 2025, I was taken to hell in heaven. I was called up. I went up in his fire tornado. I looked down, I see my body on my bed, and I thought, I'm still there. Brandi's not going to freak out. She wakes up, but I'm not there. You know, like, that's where my brain was at. I'm in the throne room. I'm on the ground. There's this white, beautiful white cloud around me. I'm seeing something. There's. The floor is like, red where I'm at. Jesus is pacing in this, like, maroonish purple red robe with gold sash on, and he's got his crown on, and his eyes are like fire. Straight up, like fire. Usually they're like a green bluish color. They change. They don't really change colors, but light reflects it. And he was pacing back and forth, and he said, they think that they're in charge. And Holy Spirit speaking. And he said, the government thinks that they are in charge and that they decide what happens, but they are not. I am in charge and I decide what happens, and I will show them. And Holy Spirit said in Trump's second term, when he's in office, that Jesus is going to expose the corruption and deal with that during Trump's second term. And then he says, and my church thinks that I am responsible for all of this. And he was talking about what happened in 2020, what happened with not just, you know, the selections, but with the virus and everything. And he said, but they are the ones that allowed this. And they keep blaming me, but I will show them that I'm in charge. And he said, go and tell the church I am coming back soon. My sword is coming down. And he said that three times. And on the third time, I was shot into my body. And he said, my sword is coming down, my sword is coming down. And the third time I heard it, and it was like, when I hit my body, it got distorted. Like, my sword is because my Body was like processing it. Well, four years later, here we are. And this stuff is starting to take place now. 20, 25, this is when I had my first vision of hell. Now, this is where things get difficult. Okay? The first vision was not as bad as ever. It was still terrifying. It was still pretty. I was in this cave. There was this pressure. It felt like everything was pressing down on me. It was so heavy. It felt like I was being shoved inside of a shoebox. There's this red clay, like mud, muck, like rotten flesh or something. But it's clay. It's a mucky mire like it's described in Psalms. It's this ancient cave. There's this stone table in front of me. And I see this person that I know he just got to hell. I know that he just got there and he's butt naked. Everyone's butt naked down there. Even the demons are butt naked. And there's three women who are demons that are standing around him. I see them as the women that he sees and as what he would have considered beautiful in life. And they're dressed up like dominatrixes. You know, they're. They're there to torture him. But he thinks because that was his number one sin in life, that was the thing that he did the most, that he was into, that he hurt people over, that he would, he would pay people to do the stuff to him and stuff, whatever it was that was his main sin and everything. You have information to all of their sins, what their main sin was, why they're there when they died, how old they were. And he's crawling on his hands and knees. In my mind's eye, I can perceive that there are demons behind him. And I. I don't know how. I couldn't see them with my eye, but in my head I could see it at the same time. They were like mantis looking people. Like, weird face, like an insect, kind of like an ant, but like a mantis. Red eyes, like a human type of torso, but it looked like an insect. Weird curved hands, like a mantis. But they were deformed, long fingers and like backwards legs. And they don't all look the same. There's a lot of demons that look very similar. There's like groups or species of demons that look similar. So they're not always going to be exactly the way that somebody else might have seen it. And they describe it like the extraterrestrials look like mantis people or whatever. And they're putting chains around his neck. Old, thick, rusty Chains. But I don't know how to explain it other than they are sufficient for what they're supposed to do. I mean, it would look like they should have broken, but somehow they still hold. And they're nasty. And they're tightening them around them real tight. And they're leading them over to this table, which I've learned to call them defile tables because people are defiled on it in the worst way that you can ever even imagine. And they're leading him over to this table. I hear the thoughts of the demons and they're only thinking about how they're going to torture him, what they're going to do next, what's going to be the worst thing that they can do to get a reaction out of him. And they're pulling his arms apart like this, stretching him out while he's crawling over to the table and they're going to rip him to pieces. And this one demon goes, are you ready to be? Are you ready to be tortured? I was like, what in the heck is going on here? The feeling of hell. It's like I said, it's like this very heavy pressure. But it's also like the worst panic attack, anxiety attack, confusion, rejection, depression, hopelessness, everything. All of your senses are flooded and overwhelmed. It's completely overwhelming. Like a person shuts down from an anxiety attack and can't think.
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B
She's functioning right, but overwhelmed.
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A
But there on top of that, everybody's on fire. There's maggots that come up and just consume a person. I remember watching people's flesh burning and dripping off, but it was burning. Like I can still hear how it would crackle and how it would be like boiling hot and rapid, boiling like. And hearing people's teeth grind like while they're screaming. The screams that if you heard it in this life, it would blow your eardrums out. It's so loud because their whole body is screaming even though they can't breathe. But they're about to pull this guy apart, rip him to pieces. This one demon rips him in the throat, rips from the top of his throat. And this thing's like 15ft tall, sticks his arm down his throat, reaches all the way down to his rear and pulls out his intestines from there up through his mouth as they're ripping his arms apart and as they start to defile him in a non consensual manner. And when I say. They pile on to people like an ant swarming something or like a zombie movie where they just swarm and there's zombies everywhere. And at that point, I started to freak out. I was like, this is not right. Something is very wrong here. Jesus, help me, Jesus. Jesus. And I. I just said that. And then I snapped. I was back in my room. I was laying on the floor because my son wanted to sleep on the floor in his room. And he wanted me to lay with him because he was scared. I understand. That was. I woke up, I was sweating. I could not go back to sleep for that. That whole week was hard. And exactly a week later, I remember I was drinking coffee like a madman. I was sleeping like 45 minutes at a time, maybe an hour and a half at times, and trying to catch a nap here and there when I could, because as soon as I closed my eyes, all I could see was that. And I was freaking out and I was crying and I was like, this is. I don't know how. What to do. I don't know how to deal with this. I called my friend Dominic, Dominic Morrow, and he's like, suck it up. He's like, welcome to the club. You know, because he had a similar encounter. He was shot in Chicago, and he went to hell and he came back. I called my friend Brian, Brian Melvin, and he was. He was like, for what? You know, if it helps, he goes, I believe that you had a vision of hell, and if you need to talk about it, I'm here. But also, welcome to the club. You know, like. And then he explains, you're going to start, you know, seeing things and understanding things, and weird things are going to happen around you. So a week goes by, and this was where the worst vision was at. I ended up having three visions of hell. And then one. One where Jesus healed me. Okay, this is the one that bothers me the most. I went to sleep. I was there again, and I see rows and rows and rows of pits, like maybe 6 foot long, 3ft deep or something. Even though you can tell they're only a certain amount deep, they still look bottomless. There's people in them. They're on fire. They're burning, they're screaming. They're being eaten by maggots. There's nothing good about it at all. It's. It's terrible. This lady comes crawling up out of a pit. Now for the people to be in the pits. There's demons all around the pits, right? There's like, you know, pit guards, pit bosses, something like that. I don't know. There was this one that was so tall, he must have been like 30 or 40ft tall. But it was mostly because his neck was long, like a giraffe. But he had weird tumors on him. Like, he was like a yellowish color with, like, brown spots. And he had. His head was deformed. Kind of look like a horse mixed with like. Like some kind of like anaconda kind of looking thing mixed with a giraffe somehow. I don't know how to explain it, but he was standing there. There was also ogres there. There was these things. They look like ogres a lot like Shrek. There was giants. The giants would be. They're all weirdly deformed and misshapen. They all have, like a head here, a head on top of the head, a head here, a head here, one little T. Rex arm and a normal big jacked buff arm, but big, long claws and weird skinny legs with a very buff torso or head backwards and legs backwards or head forward. Legs backwards so that it looked like they were moonwalking. When they walked, a lot of those demons, they danced, like, what. The dances that we see here today, you see on Tick Tock, you see Michael Jackson doing all this stuff. I know Michael Jackson didn't invent the moonwalk, but somebody somewhere, I think it was Cab Calloway, had to have been inspired by a demon to dance like that because they move like that. And the music down there, they sing these songs mocking people.
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B
They have music?
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A
Yeah. It sounds like. Well, hell has this, like. It's like this resonant noise in the background that sounds like this eerie, creepy music from a horror movie. Like background horror movie music. It's. It's awful and. But they're also singing like twisted Christmas carols or songs that people liked in life. Like their favorite songs. They were singing like Jingle Bells. Yeah, they'll be singing songs like that, torturing people. And the way they talk is like it. It rhymes somehow. They rhyme all of their words, and it's almost like they sing their words and it feels like they're all around you, like when they're talking and it overwhelms your senses. And they'll be singing things that, you know, it's like they're rapping, but they're not rapping. But they sound like some of these street rappers, like the ones that say they blacked out and then they started saying things. They're super demonic and they don't remember what they said or whatever. They will. They sound like that. Like, what I can describe it like is like there's. There's a song by the Bloodhound Gang from back in the 90s or whatever. And. And they talk vulgar. They're disgusting. Coarse, vulgar. They cuss more than a person from New York, and that's saying a lot. No offense to you people from New York, but I'm from New York, and I get it. I've never met anyone that cusses more than a New Yorker until I was in hell. And it'll be like. They'll be talking. Their voice is echoing, kind of like when you find a ray gun and whatever that game is. And it makes this sound. My friend Levi told me about this or showed me it recently, and I was like, that's it. That's the. That's very similar. It's not exact, but it's very similar. And they'll be like, sweat, baby, sweat baby Sex is Texas. Track me. And that's. You do the kind of things that only Prince would sing about. So put your hands down my pants and I bet you'll feel nuts. Stuff like that. Or if I capsize on the price High tide, give me five, you sunk my battleship please turn me on I'm Mr. Coffee with the automatic drip they say worse. More vote worse. Things like that made me feel disgusting to say that. That had to come from a demon. And that's how they talk, though. And they'll use songs like that to torment people. So when people say, oh, I heard, you know, such and such music going on down there, it's because that person liked that music, and they're using it to torture them and torment them with it. And they say, everybody reaps what they sowed down here. Everybody reaps what they sowed down here. They'll say vulgar things like, you're mine now. I own you. You're my B word. And then continue to unconsensually violate people. This lady comes through the pits are like a grace, however weird and twisted that is. And I see this lady come crawling up out of a pit, and I don't know how, because nobody can, like, move. I remember watching somebody fall down. They came from hell. They came down almost like a lightning bolt. They hit the ground, and it thundered so hard, it was like, boom. And reverberated. And they were just laying there, and I could hear what he was thinking. He was saying, where am I? Where am I? And he was trying to breathe. And he's going, because you can't. You can't get air. You're, like, gasping. There's no way to breathe. It's like having the worst asthma attack. You can't breathe. And his, all of his bones were shattered and him. It's as awful. This lady comes out of this pit and I. I don't know how she had the strength to come out of the pit. I don't know what happens. The demon expected it. I think that they control the torture that happens down there. She comes out of this pit and she's on fire. Her skin is dripping off, dripping off like. And just. She will turn into bone. And she ages from. From like a teenager to the age she was when she died, which was in her 60s and then back and regenerates. And she comes out of this pit and she looks up and the darkness down there is like this thick black curtain. It's so dark and heavy and it feels like it's trying to consume you and crush you and eat you and talk crap to you and everything else.
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B
That's what I've heard. It's just like the darkness is alive.
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A
Yeah, it is. And it's so thick like a curtain. Like I remember watching this demon weave in and out of it while it was coming to. Like they couldn't get to me. And he was coming in and out and he moved kind of like those nurses from that Silent Hill movie where I was like. But he, he didn't have an eye here. It was covered with skin. He had one eye here that was yellow with like a snake slit in it and these weird teeth that were like pointed in like this and came out. And it was just weird with like translucent skin, but it kind of looked like a whitish gray. But this lady comes up out of that pit and then there's this ogre looking demon. Kind of looks like like Shrek, but like worse. Like Shrek mixed with an orc, mixed with something from like some weird creature from the Lord of the Rings. It's just nasty and huge, tall, just. His head was like into. He didn't have a neck. His head was like built into his chest somehow. But it wasn't like it was right here. It was like part head, part had no neck attached.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And she comes up out of this pit and she liked to gossip. She liked adultery. She enjoyed causing men to commit adultery so that she could break up their marriages just to prove that she could do it. And she thought she was hot stuff. She comes up out of this pit and she sees this thing and she starts to scream. The only way that I can describe it is like a helpless little child. Which breaks my heart because I couldn't imagine my kids screaming and sheer fear and terror. Like she Did. She looks up and she sees this thing and he's like. Because they laugh. They have these heinous laughs. They sound like like psychotic tormenting laugh. Like then they get pleasure not from violating people, but from the acts that they do. The fear, the pain, the torment. They get pleasure from that. It's not even from the release of what they're doing is from that. She looks up and she screams at the top of her lungs. And I just. She looks up and she goes, no, please, please, no, please. She was like a kid, man. She was like. It reminded me of a kid that's like about to get beaten by their. The parent or someone like savagely beaten for, you know what I mean? And he laughed at her and he got mad because she was screaming. It irritated him because she was terrified, you know, he's like. Like they. They get off on that stuff and then he's irritated because she's screaming. So he stuck. Stomped her with his foot that was like this big. It was as long as her head was to her body. And he stomped her and her intestines came out of her almost anti climactically. Like they just went and she was flat. That was horrible. But that's not where it ended. She regenerated and she was still on fire. And he grabs her by the hair and he's dragging her off like this. And he's laughing and she's screaming and her hair is coming out of her head like he's scalping her. And it just keeps coming back and coming back and she's on fire. And he takes her over this table and he gets this big hammer, like a mallet, so a huge mallet. And he's looking at her and he. He grabs these big long nails. So she was a gossiper. So he bends her over the table and pulls out her tongue and pulls it out something like cartoonish long like. Like this. And then goes to hammer the nail, but he's not trying to hit the nail. He smashed her to pieces and laughed about it and was getting off on it. He started calling his buddies over and they started high fiving and then they all started to pile on top of her. The smaller demons, So disgusting. But they would actually cut holes into her, crawl inside of her and start doing stuff inside of her, ripping her apart, cussing on her, calling her names and stuff. While they're violating her inside of her. The other demons will come. And it was everywhere that could be filled, was filled. And then if it couldn't be filled, they would cut a Hole while the knife was still there, insert themselves and continue to do that. And when they were done, there would be like other demons standing around pleasuring themselves, watching it, high fiving each other, calling their friends over. And they're piled on, piled on. And they're all weird, deformed, twisted things. It's like the most disgusting thing you could ever imagine. And she's just screaming and she can't stop screaming, but her teeth are shattering and breaking and all this stuff is going on. I could feel what she was feeling. I could smell what she was smelling. And I don't know why the Lord did that. It was this horrible, putrid smells like death garbage, dead fish, dead animal, all of the word like dead flowers, weed butted out, cigarettes. Like the things that I find the most disgusting. And they hit you wave after wave after wave of this smell that makes you want to die just from the smell. And the demons, they have these like heat waves. I remember one of them was standing there and it looked like that demon from that Spider man movie, Venom. But not the Venoms like the older Venoms that look similar in the face, but the newer one where it would like come off of them.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
And it was massive, was probably about 10 or 15ft high. It had a snake body that was huge, was probably 5ft around at least. It was like a tree trunk. It was bigger than that. It was huge and extremely long. And he had a human body and he had these nasty claws and his face looked like venom. But he had yellow eyes that came like this nasty yellow teeth. And when he opened his mouth, it was like heat waves came out of his mouth from the stink. And he said, I eat souls. And I looked, and he opened his mouth like, and I looked inside of him and there were humans in him, souls that were on fire inside of him. And then other demons would come along and they would say, give them back, it's our turn, it's our turn. Give him back. And he would defecate them out like human manure, basically. And they would take and drag them off and do that. And they were doing that to this lady. That was the worst. That was the word I. Then I woke up. I remember feeling what she could feel. It was so intense. It. I felt dirty. I felt disgusted. I felt like it was happening to me. And I could feel it, every fiber of my being. And I could see the sentence that she was going through replaying in her head. And she was living that out. And I remember hearing this a lot. She was saying, I Wish I listened. Give me another chance. Let me make it up to them. I'm so sorry. And then the next breath, she would say, I hate you, God. And she would curse him out. And she would curse out the demons, I hate you. And she would start cussing. And they get worse and worse and worse and worse. And I was like, jesus, get me out of here right now. Jesus, get me out of this. And I dealt with that. For a week. I couldn't sleep. That was worse. It's been almost a year and a half and it still, when I think about it, I still get like this. It was so bad. And it wasn't even me going through it. I couldn't close my eyes. I was freaking out. I got about three hours of sleep. I sent Vlad a screenshot of my watch. Keeps track of my. My sleeping patterns. And I was sleeping like three hours was the most sleep that I got for that whole week. There were days where I didn't sleep, like two days where I go without sleep. And then I get three hours and I wake up and I was telling my wife, I'm struggling so hard. I'm like, I don't want to talk about it because I don't want you to freak out, I don't want you to panic. I don't want you to have to visualize this in your head and see this. And she was like, well, just tell me so that way you can heal from it. And she's really good at counseling. So I told her. I told her everything. And then later, literally a week later, I was in hell again. And this time I was standing outside of what I can only describe as a cube. It's like a 14 foot wide by 14 foot long cube. That's. It was. It was kind of like it was embedded in almost like in a wall or something. But I could see through it. It was like it was a holographic baseball card looking kind of thing, but you could see through it. Saddam Hussein was in there and he was. He was going through. He was on fire. He was not actually going through this. He thought he was, but he was running from these people that were chasing him. And I saw them chasing him. They started to shoot at him. And then I saw him being a woman and she was running with a baby. She was running like this and she's crying. She was trying to protect her baby. And he was having to experience that through his eyes, which he hated. He said, it's your fault. You should have never been there. You shouldn't have been there. In the first place, why were you even born? And he's in hell being tormented for this.
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B
What does this woman and child. What do you. What did you get? Who were they?
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A
And I don't know. I don't know who they were. But they were running from something that he had done, and it was his fault that they died. And I saw her fall down on the ground and die holding the baby. And that immense sorrow. And he was so mad. And then the demons started laughing and they started pouring. I'm just gonna say this, and I'll leave that a little piece out. They started pouring acid onto his body. But their. Acid.
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B
Acid.
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A
I think that it was their emissions, to put it politely, but they were pouring acid all over him. And that was part of his torture, which I found out for the acid baths. I didn't understand because he was having acid poured on people. I found that out afterwards. I didn't know anything about him. He died when I was in high school. I didn't care about Saddam Hussein. And then later, maybe a week or so later, I saw that exact lady. They made a monument to her in Germany or something like that. She was a Kurdish lady that died holding her baby. She was gassed to death when he gassed the Kurds in the 1980s. And that same lady, they took a picture of her and they made a monument, and they. They made it like this memorial in Iraq for her. And that was the lady that I saw and the baby that she was holding in the same position. Everything. I told my wife about it beforehand. And then we found that. And I was like, you're not going to believe this. And she goes, that's exactly what you described.
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B
Oh, man.
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A
After that, I was messed up. I couldn't sleep. I was freaking out. I called my friend Brian because I. I know he had PTSD from seeing hell. And I was like, man, I'm freaking out. I can't sleep. I can't. I don't want to eat. I'm not depressed, but I'm. I'm like. I'm panicking. I can't close my eyes without seeing this. And I said, I just need a. I just need a hug from God. I just need a hug from God. And I said, okay, give it to him, God. And that was his whole prayer. That night. I went to sleep, and it was actually the day before I did the interview with Vlad. And then I had a dream. And he comes to me and he shows up as my dad in dreams. And that represents God, the father. And I have a Good relationship with my dad and we still don't have a great relationship. And he comes up to me and I thinking I'm in trouble because I did something wrong and he's going to attack me, yell at me or something. And I go, leave. Now I go into defense mode and I'm getting ready to hit him and I punched him right in the face. And he didn't flinch. And he looked at me and he just grabbed me in a giant bear hug and put. Put it. Buried his head into my shoulder and started crying on me with these beautiful crystal tears. And he said, I am so sorry that I scared you. He didn't have to apologize for that. And I said, that's all I needed. I said that to him in the dream. I said that's all I needed was the love of my father. And I got healed right there. And even though I break down and I cry when I talk about this stuff, that hug changed it to where I don't really have flashbacks anymore. I don't break down all the time. I'm not thinking about it all the time. When I have to talk about it, I get really nervous and anxious. But he gave me that hug and a dream. And even though it was him showing up as my earthly dad and it was symbolic, he healed my heart.
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B
Wow.
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A
So I could talk about it.
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B
Oh, my. Why do you think. Why do you think God is asking you or commissioning you or compelling you to even share something like this? Because you saw it for a reason. Why do you think you have to share this?
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A
There's a lot of fake NDEs out there. There's a lot of stuff out there that's leading people astray. And I feel like Christians, a lot of the times, they don't get as graphic with what's going on. And I feel like to some extent it's needed. You have to understand it's not that they're. That demons are partying down there. They're not. They're not fallen angels, those demons. They're weird. You know this when you're down there. They are the creatures that were alive at the time of the flood. They were before the flood. They're weird, nasty, messed up stuff. And that's why there's no human footprints with dinosaurs or whatever, because there were no humans left except for those eight. They were all freaks like that. And people need to. To hear this. They need to know the truth. And I don't think there was no real Christians in hell. There was no people who are Christian and are trying and Mess up. There's no Christians down there that I saw that were struggling with addiction, but they loved God and it was. They just couldn't get free. But every day they would pray, God help me. Deliver me from this. It was the fake ones. But people need to hear it because they need to be saved. They need to know the truth, that there's not just a heaven where it's paradise. There is an eternal consequence.
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B
Someone, all the time, I. I get accused having people like you share things like this. And a good amount of time, people say, man, I don't see it in the Bible where demons have the authority to do all these things. What is your response when someone says, that's fake? He's his imagination. He's lying. I mean, even Christians.
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Oh, I could. I could point. Lamentations 3. First of all, the demons aren't down there being tormented yet. They said that in Matthew, when they came to Jesus, when he went to the Gadarenes, and the man was there with the legion of demons. They said, have you come to torment us before the time? That word for torment means to be buffeted in wave after wave of torment. Like a lake, like in a rolling lake. Well, where are they going? The lake of Fire. Lamentations 3. There's several scriptures that talk about how people are being tormented down there. Lamentations 3. This was written by, I believe, Jeremiah. I am a man who has seen affliction by the rod of the Lord's wrath, death. He has driven away and made me walk in darkness. Rather the light. There is no light down there. Indeed, he has turned his hand against me again and again all day long. He has made my skin and my flesh grow old and my bone and has broken my bones. He has besieged me and surrounded me with bitterness and hardship. That's all that's down there. He has made me dwell in darkness like those long dead. He has wailed. He has walled me in so that I can't escape. And there's cells down there. He has weighed me down with chains. I saw that people in chains. Even when I call out or cry for help, which everyone's doing, he shuts out my prayer. He has barred my way with blocks of stone. I saw people being packed into boxes like stones, and they were being built into walls, into buildings down there, because they were sacrificing children in their life. And they would put the babies in the wall. And so their punishment, one of their punishments, was they would be squished down into these little boxes alive and then built into walls. Like fake churches or temples, Aztec pyramids was the one that I saw. And then I come to find out that, like the walls of Jericho and the walls at the. The people who worship BAAL and all these other false gods, they would actually sacrifice the babies and build their bodies into the wall for protection. So seeing that, that was terrible. Even when I call out, cry for help, he shuts up my pair. Let's see. Like a bear lying in weight, like a lion in hiding. He dragged me from the path and mangled me and left me without help. Constantly happening down there. He drew his bow and made me a target for his arrows. They have technology down there beyond anything we can comprehend. They have bows and arrows. They have weapons. It says in Ezekiel 32 that the LA gibboreem, which we know, the gibborim, comes from Genesis 6. Those are the demons. They're called the gibborim gods. And it says that they went to hell with their weapons of war. It's the things that were prepared for them down there. They have weapons of war down there. They have guns that they use. They have arrows and stuff. It says, he pierced my heart with arrows from his quiver. I became a laughing stock of all my people. They mock me in song all day. I didn't I just say that they were doing that down there. He has filled me with bitter herbs and given me gall to drink. He has broken my teeth with gravel. Their teeth are shattered down there. He has trampled me in the dust. And did I just say I watch a woman get stomped into that mucky mire? I have been depraved, deprived of peace. You don't have peace. I have forgotten what prosperity is. So I say, my splendor is gone. And all that I had hoped from the Lord. I remember my affliction and my wandering, the bitterness and the. The gall. I remember. I remember them. And my soul is downcast within me. And then it says, yet I call to mind, therefore I have hope.
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Hope.
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And it will go on from there.
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But you don't think that that's metaphorical or figurative? You think he may have had an
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experience similar to yours, and at the very least, he saw it. And the same thing with Job, or Job with Jonah. Yes, the Jonah died and went to hell. It says it right in Jonah 2. In Hebrew, it says that he was in Sheol for three days and three nights. That's what Jesus is talking about when he says, the sign of Jonah, I'll give you, he will be in hell for three days and three Nights. And Jonah specifically says that when you read it that he was at the bottom of the mountains in a cage, being tormented. It actually says he was thrown overboard, he was wrapped up in seaweed and drowned to death and then found himself in hell. And he said that somehow. And I don't know how he had any hope, because you don't have any attributes from God in hell. You don't have love, joy, peace, creativity. You don't have strength, you don't have breath. Every attribute that he gives you, you don't have it. And I don't know how he said, I had hope that if you ever got me out of here, because I know eternity when, you know, like these people down there, they didn't have any hope because they knew this is my life forever. And the demons were reminded of that all the time. This is your life forever. Now hope is gone. There's no chance. I don't know how he held on to hope,
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grace and mercy, God, for his particular circumstance.
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Wow.
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I've heard a few people say how traumatizing it is, and you just reconfirmed that, like what you described. I think there's a reason why, as much as it is traumatizing for you, the person that you are, it was necessary for you to be willing to share what you share. There are many people that have had experiences, but they want to muffle some of those things and they don't want to share certain things, and they question even some of the things that they've seen. But the trauma, I will say, was worth it in that someone is going to watch this. Someone is going to be shaken back to reality, man. Because it's not. There's nothing. Not. There is no pleasure, there is no. There is no experience that is worth that type of separation. But beyond that, when you talk about the goodness of God and your experiences encountering Jesus, encountering the Father and experiencing those things, it's almost like, why would you want to rob yourself of a. Of a God and a presence that loves you that much? And to hear that, you get the antithesis of that. No life, no joy, no peace, no strength, no beauty. It's not worth it. It's truly not worth it. And so for people that are still watching and they're trying to juggle between opinions and saying, well, not today, not today. The Lord is very clear to you, and he says, I'm coming soon with a sword. And that sword, he's given mercy enough. When the sword comes down, the sword comes down. And right now we have grace right now we have mercy. Because if you're hearing this message, if you're hearing my brother, he came all the way down here. And this is a mercy of God. I know some of you are hearing it, and it sounds hard, it sounds convicting, it sounds overwhelming. But let me tell you, more than anything, this is the mercy of God. I would have never known this man apart from the Lord making it happen for you to sit down in this seat. And it's just really the Lord. I just feel the presence of God. The Lord loves someone that much that he'll pull you from where you are. We weren't even scheduled this week. Wasn't even scheduled. God made a way. But the Lord loves his people so much that he will allow you to have multiple experiences so that it will shake someone back to reality to remind them of his love, to remind them of an opportunity that he's given them. I know you probably have more experiences and more. But if there is anything that you will want those people to know that are watching, that are just like, well, what do I do with this? What would you say to those people?
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It's not too late until you're in the grave. He has not given up on you. He loves you. The way he looks at you every single time is, you are the one that he died for. I remember the scripture that says, you are the hope that was set before him, that made it so that he could endure the cross. When I saw the crucifixion, I saw through his eyes and he saw.
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Wait, wait, wait. We didn't talk about the crucifixion. Let's talk about that before we.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. I should have left it. Well, when I saw a little bit of the crucifixion, that was. That was through visions. One of the things that he let me see was what was going on inside of his head. He let me see through his eyes. I saw there were demons around the cross that were mocking him and laughing like, we got him. We got him. Now, this is like the. The bowls of Bashan and stuff like that. That's not just talking about his enemies. It's talking about demons. Also. I saw that dogs would. Would. Would come up around. I saw that the centurions would urinate on the crosses and on the people and stuff. There was no shame. There was no decency, no dignity. His nose was smashed in. He was. His skin was so ripped to pieces that it was, like, dangling off like a. Like a. A piece of meat dangling off like a piece of cloth that was Torn, that was dangling. And he did it all for us. His eyes were swollen, his lip was swollen. You know, a mom will always be able to recognize their son. But he was beaten so bad that it was hard to recognize him. He was beaten beyond recognition. And when I saw through his eyes, I saw all that stuff. But the thing that really stood out to me the most was seeing each person coming and stand before him on the cross. And I remember that scripture that said we were the joy set before Him. And I see that. And I realized recently that when you go to heaven, you see this stuff you go through. Like, there's this. My friend was telling me he went through this, like, tunnel, and you could see the life of Jesus, and you can see Jesus on the cross. And I realized that he was so connected with eternity that he could see each one of us coming to heaven while he was on the cross. And he looks at us and he thought, I died for you. I died for you. I died for you. And that was the joy that gave him hope. So he has not given up on you. He's not looking at you like you're a scumbag. Like you're rejected. Rejection, abandonment, hopelessness. That comes from the pit of hell, not from him. So if you're feeling that, you're feeling like he can't love you because you had an abortion, or you can't be forgiven because you did this or this or whatever it is, it's wrong. He paid for every single sin. Trust me. And he will never reject you. And all you have to do is try. You just have to try. That's all he expects. You have to try. It's like being a parent. You don't expect your kids to be perfect all the time. If you do, you're doing it wrong.
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Come on.
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They make mistakes. And he has not given up on you. He's not thinking, oh, man, this one caught me off guard. I totally forgot to pay for that sin. And the only way you can get to heaven, whether you want to hear it or not, is through him and what he did. So give your life to him.
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Thank you, Jesus.
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There is no other way. Trust me, there is no other way. You don't want the alternative. One of the things he showed me was a life review, but it wasn't my life review from God. It was a life review from a demon. And what he showed me was this demon was trying to get a reaction out of me. And he pulled up. It's like this screen appeared in front of him somehow. And he was Going through every single thing that ever happened to me. My dad beating me, my dogs getting hurt, having to get rid of them, house catching on fire, getting sick, sexual addiction, being abused, whatever it was. All the hurt, the pain, the anguish, all of the bad things that ever happened in my life, even if I thought it was natural, was caused by a demon. And he looked at me and he said, I showed you this so that you would know that none of the bad things that happened to you were from me. Ever. And they did that so that they could control me. He showed me that they did it so that they could control me, so that they can. Could condition me to react the way they wanted me to react. So they created rejection, abandonment, hopelessness, worthlessness, etc. In me so that they could control me and twist that into sexual desire, into drugs, into alcohol, et cetera. That all came from them. And it was all conditioning from when I was born. They started. And they still try to do it now, which is why it's so important to take control of your thoughts and really be responsible with your actions.
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What? Trying to get a reaction. I reject that. What? And you said something so powerful. You said to turn those negative emotions and that void into ungodly desires.
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Yeah. That's what caused me to be into the sexual addiction that I was into and into the witchcraft and stuff because I felt rejected and worthless. So the stuff that I was in was validating that rejection and worthlessness, and it was corrupted because I didn't feel. I didn't feel loved. You know, my dad,
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he does.
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He doesn't really particularly love when I say this, but it's part of my testimony, and it's true, he was verbally abusive more than anything. And there was some physical abuse there. I remember one time when I was beaten. I don't know what I did. Maybe I cussed or I said something sassy back to him or something. And I just. I remember the beating. I remember things were going dark. I started seeing bright colors and stuff, and I just faded out. I was. Nose was bleeding. You punched out a tooth. Thankfully, it was a baby tooth. And my mom came in and she was like, stop it. You're gonna kill him. You're gonna kill him. And then that turned into feeling rejected and abandoned. And the devil was in my dad. I saw him in my dad. That caused that. It wasn't my dad. I forgive him. You know, I learned that in hell. I. I have compassion for people because people don't know what they're doing. And we try to validate it as parents and say, you have it better than I did when I was a kid. My parents would have done this. He would say that to me and be like, be thankful I didn't beat you as bad as they got beat. I didn't whip you with a belt as bad as I got whipped with a belt. But that was all demons. It's not them. You can't hold it against people they don't know. That was the biggest thing that I took away. I was given so much compassion from that experience because I understood they didn't have any idea what they were doing. I watched people yell at their kids, beat their kids, say mean things to them that made them feel worthless or hurt. And then they had to relive that from the kids perspective. And I could think, how many times have I done this to my kids? But they didn't know. But just because you don't know that the speed limit's 65 and you get pulled over going 90 doesn't mean you're not going to get a ticket. There's a consequence. It doesn't go away just because I didn't know. The cop doesn't accept that as an answer. He might show some mercy and say, well, slow down and you get a warning. But there's an eternal consequence,
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man, we got to get back to the heart of the father. Otherwise we're. Bitterness will always have a place in our lives. Unforgiveness will have a place in our lives. Judging harshly will have a place in our lives. But if we have this mindset, it'll cause us to look at others with eyes of compassion, Man, that's so powerful. Thank you for the hope in that message. Before we pray, I want if you were impacted in any way, however you are impacted, if you could reach out to us. We have an email that we're putting down here. You can reach out to us and send it to us and we could forward it to my brother here or we're going to put his contact information there so you could reach out and let them know, just testify what God did. Some people, I'm sure, are probably going to be interested in the dreams and interpretations and things of that sort. But we're going to put the information in the description. Just want you to know, man, like, if nobody appreciates what you came to do here, I do. As much as it was for everyone else, it was also a reminder for me. And if you could, and just if you've ever, ever forgotten, it was all worth it. So, so worth it. Man, so worth it. You were chosen for this time. God is so selective with the voices that he elevates on this platform. And when I see those individuals that he chooses to elevate, I'm just like, man, this reminds me that, man, this is the Lord's will, and he chooses the voices that he wants to raise up. And this is an example of that. So if you could have prayed for some, some of those that are watching, that are still in the midst, they're being tormented in their own ways. They're addicted, they're bound, they're in doubt, they're losing hope, they want to give up some of the stuff you share as much as the traumatized you. I'm sure it's going to be stuck in some of our memories, too. We're not going to be able to let this go, and that is a blessing. But at the end of the day, we want to know Christ and we want to build a relationship with Him. The difference is with your experience and someone telling you, give your life to Christ and you had the experience. What we want to offer you is, yes, get to know Jesus Christ, but we also have resources where you can find local bodies, find communities that can help you, build you up, that can intercede for you. And so that is all in the description as well in the Freedom Guide. So you guys will be able to access that as well if you could pray for those who are listening. Man, I just. It's a. The burden is on me because I'm just like, I don't want nobody, I don't want nobody to experience that, just like the Lord doesn't either. And so some people, they pray, they, lord, take us out of here. And I don't pray that prayer just because it scares me. It scares me that there are people that just don't know, that just don't get it. They're still playing with God. And so if me being here can help point someone to the cross, point someone to Jesus, I'm like, lord, keep me here as long as I can be. That would help someone else see you. That's all I want. If my presence here, if these episodes, if a conversation, if a message can get to someone and they get hope in Christ, man, it's so worth it, man. So if you could pray for those that are,
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Lord, thank you for this opportunity to be here to share this message and to share the gospel, the good news, and give people hope that they don't have to go through that torment forever in hell. Father, I ask that you heal the heart of each person here right now that you speak to them and let them know you are forgiven. You are not a drunk, you are not a murderer. You are not abandoned. You are not a reject. You are not hopeless. The words that were spoken over you, I break them all right now in Jesus name. The curses that have been spoken over you, all the attacks of the enemy on you and your finances, all of it has to come to an end now. Now, in the name of Jesus Christ. And if you're wanting to give your life to Jesus and you don't know how, all you have to do is say, jesus, I want you. You could say, jesus, help. Or you can say, jesus, I am so sorry for what I've done. I know that I have sinned. Please forgive me. I accept what you've done for me and I make you Lord of my life. And I will profess with my mouth that you are my Lord. And I will profess with my actions that you are my God. And welcome to the family. It ain't gonna be easy. And it is way easier to die for Jesus than it is to live for him. Don't let anyone tell you that it's gonna be easy. If they do, it's a lie. It will be warfare. But trust me, it's worth it. You are loved. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you, Lord.
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Amen.
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And the Lord reveals himself to me. This is not a podcast.
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This is a deliverance ministry. God is going to deliver just as many, if not more, here than he does inside of church buildings. And you got to keep giving yourself over to it.
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It's proving it to you over and over.
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And the weightiness of your anointing. The Lord says thousands will be delivered.
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Or you keep watching. Click the subscribe button. I'll wait N Seriously, subscribe right now. Also like and share this video. The more you like, share, comment and engage with this video, the more we're able to produce content just like this. And also we got this merch. Got this merch. The link is in description. If you want to support the channel, you can also donate. That's also in the description. The more you guys support, the more we're able to produce content just like this. Thank you again. Peace.
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Now, you might be asking, what is the gospel? The gospel is very simple. That you are a sinner and that you are on your way to hell without a shadow of a doubt. You were born in sin and the wrath of God abides on you. And you do not deserve nerve to go there by way of Your sin. But while you were still a sinner, God sent His Son Jesus, who loved you and died for you, as your substitutionary sacrifice, which means he died in your place so that you could live his life, which means he died for your sin. He was buried, and three days later, he resurrected from the dead. And if you would confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. That's out here. No, no, I'm talking about the real Jesus of the Bible. The eternal Son of God that became a man. God manifested in the flesh that became a man. And in 33 years, he died on the cross, providing redemption, buying us back, translating us out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his dear Son, which means he redeemed us back to God. He reconciled you back to God by way of his death on the cross. And so you're probably saying, how can I be saved? Very simple. All you have to do is repent of your sin. I'm not talking about 360, talking about 180. You turn. You turn from your sin. You believe in the gospel exclusively. Just Jesus. I'm not talking about Jesus and Mary. I'm not talking about Jesus and Buddha. I'm not talking about Jesus and some other centralized figure. And I'm not even talking about Jesus and your spiritual father and destiny and all of that. No, no. There's only one way to heaven. Jesus said, I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life, and nobody comes up to the Father except through me. Jesus is. Is exclusively the only way. You want to know why he's the only way? Because he's not only the only way. He is the door to enter in. And the only way you could get in is by way of repentance. You must repent and become born again. Why? Because only sons and daughters can become citizens in the kingdom. Outsiders can't come in. But Jesus died on that cross and he made the way open for you. And if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. I'm not talking about all this other stuff to get saved. No, no, just believe. Believe in him. The efficacy of Christ's work on the cross as the substitutionary sacrifice in exchange for your sin, which means you give up your sin. You give it to him, he exchanges it in and takes on your sin. Yes, but he gives you his righteousness. And then you are righteous and justified by faith in Jesus and When you have justification because of Jesus, now you have peace with God. You have peace with God. And watch this. And now he will no longer be just your God. He is now your heavenly Father through the person of his son, Jesus. Why don't you pray that prayer right now? Just repeat after me. Say, lord, I believe that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell. But God, you sent your son. Go ahead. Those of you that are watching, repeat what I'm saying. Say, God, you sent your son, Jesus Christ to die for my sin. He was buried. Three days later, he resurrected from the dead. I now confess you, Lord Jesus, as my Lord. Lord, ask my Savior, come into my heart, come into my life and wash me from my sin. And I'll say this. Say, holy Spirit, I surrender my life to you. Make me born again in Jesus, mighty name. My friend, if you said that prayer, whichever way you said that prayer, as long as you believe, confess with your mouth. Jesus is Lord and that he died on the cross for you. And three days later, he resurrected and you repented and believe that message. The Bible says, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. You are saved, my friend. Here's what I want you to do. There's going to be an email that's going to be put on the video right here. And I want you to write. I want you to write this channel and tell them that you accepted Christ as your Savior and brother Ezekiel. And the second, the administrative staff of this channel will help you find a local church in your area that will point you in the right direction. But we need to hear from you. Say, man of God and that broadcast. I know you guys are talking about demons and devils, but I ended up getting saved and I ended up renouncing all other gods.
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Yeah.
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Which means you got to renounce all other gods and believe. Exclusively on the Son of God. And welcome to the family of God.
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What's going on, family? It's Ezekiel. One of my greatest burdens for this channel is after the video. You've been impacted. You just got saved. You just got delivered. Now what? We developed something called Freedom Guide. Freedom Guide is our digital directory that gives you access to every resource that we have available. We have our video directory, and that's super useful because we have hundreds of videos across this channel. Thousands of hours of powerful conversations. But where do you go when you're looking for that specific thing? You're struggling with sexual sin. We have videos for that. You just got out of a church cult. We have videos for that some of you are looking for books, courses from some of our past guests. We're making that available to you and we're also populating those lists weekly. Many people are seeking for in person prayer deliverance. We're making that available to you with this link. So go ahead and click Freedom Guide link. It's right there in the description. And you'll have access to all this for free. All you have to do is join us, subscribe to that list, and we'll be continuing to push out that information on a weekly basis while you have a total directory of everything that we have to offer. And don't forget, anytime we have an event, anytime we're doing something special, anytime we're calling a fast, we want you to know about it. We'll be able to access you directly and keep you updated on the amazing things that we have to offer. Love you guys. Peace.