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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
One of the secrets for the end times is not the book of Revelation. It's actually the book of Daniel. It's three individuals. Noah, Lot and Jesus. And Noah's day it required him to be in a boat. And Lot's day, it required him to be in another city. In our day, it requires us to be out the planet because he gonna judge the whole thing. Oh. All cults and religions know that something's getting ready to happen.
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Ezekiel
What do you mean by that?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
In witchcraft, they believe that they are getting ready to operate in a new age of enlightenment. The Muslims believe that their Messiah is ready to show up. Christianity believe that Jesus is getting ready to come back. The occult world is bracing for a shift. I don't need an analyst because this thing has been programmed to analyze better than you. They're getting ready to wipe out the whole job market over computers. We are creating our own enemy. And it's in the book of Revelation.
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Ezekiel
God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And he would have had to disobey God and lose the nature of God to do so. Taking part in something that gives access to the knowledge of good and evil. Yet without the nature of God, that will allow him to choose good for evil. That framework then becomes his own curse, just like the law of sin and death. Now, just knowing the law makes me in jeopardy of the law. So in the same way that knowledge without the spirit exposed man to his own judgment, in the same way I believe artificial intelligence is the manifestation of knowledge without the spirit of God.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
When God gave these visions to these men 2,000, 4,000 years ago, about our time, they did not have the ability to explain explain the technological wonders that they saw. So when John saw a helicopter, he called it a grasshopper. He said this thing looked like a grasshopper. He said its wings roared like the sound of a multitude or many horses galloping. That's why he said it would shoot snakes that had fire coming out the back. Because that's what a missile looks like to a man that don't know what a rocket is. He showed them the future, but the technology and the terminology for the future that they were looking into didn't exist. So in the book of Revelations, John said, he said, I saw them create a statue robot. He saw something that looked like a statue that looked human. Then in the next sentence it says, and I saw as they gave the statue life, electricity. He didn't know what electricity was. All he knows is that this statue came to life what happens when everybody that's left in this planet with that level of chaos is faithless? Right. For a world leader to stand up and say, I can rescue you.
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Ezekiel
Absolutely.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And in order to do it, we first have to have order. So everyone has to have a mark so that you can buy and sell. Then they're going to blame it on aliens. But when I tell you, I will be completely blown away and surprised if this thing makes it to 2030.
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Ezekiel
The man that's sitting across from me, he's more like, man, I don't even want to call him a guest. He has come into my life and been a mentor. He's poured into me spiritually, poured into my faith, and just been someone who's added a level of wisdom in my life that I never even expected. And so I just want to reintroduce to you guys again and again, and it's not going to be the last time. Pastor Oltha Turnbull, thank you so much for being with me again.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yes. We are at it again, Part two. Let's see where it goes this time.
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Ezekiel
Let's go. I know, look, I've got my fair share of hate on this podcast, having you on. I didn't know this man with the silver hair was going to cause so much controversy, so many, so much negative things. But man, let's just talk about the positivity and the things that God has done with the release of the podcast. First on my side, man, tons and tons of testimonies have come forth. There are people that have given their lives to Christ. There are people that have started coming, going back to church again because they finally said, man, there's a man of God that sticks to scripture and speaks truth. What's been going on on your side?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Well, since the, since we've done the podcast, we have. What was that podcast? We were, that was March.
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Ezekiel
It had to be like March.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It was March and now it is June. And so we have four services a week and we have not had one single service where people have not visited and joined the church because of that podcast. All different type of nationalities, all different type of races. I mean, because we, you know, we get on a low end, we'll get maybe 200 first time visitors on a hiring, we'll get 300 first time visitors every weekend. Which is.
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Ezekiel
That makes no sense.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah, it's beyond crazy. I mean, we're literally experiencing revival. But, but, but. And so my wife and I meet with the first time visitors at the end of the service.
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Ezekiel
Okay.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And, and so I will say who's from out of town, you know, and about 40, sometimes 50% of the hands were from out of the state and out of the country. So we had two ladies from the Netherlands, somebody from Jamaica, and two people from London, England, just this past weekend. And so. And then I'll ask the next question. How many of y' all are here because of that crazy Ezekiel podcast, man? All them hands go up. People have been joining our church every single service since that podcast. Now, what's dangerous, though, in a good way, is how many people have said, I came back to the Lord because of that. And so. So, you know, the bond. Why.
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Ezekiel
Why do you think that's happening? Because we do podcasts every week. What's going on? What's happened? What. What happened? What did you do that was different?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I am uniquely different. I am uniquely different. Ministry is in levels. And I have just. I'm so. Let me. You know, you. You ever heard the principle about how, you know, the cow that's in the room or the pink elephant is in the room? And I think last time I said that, now the whole zoo is in the room. Okay, so now that the whole zoo is in the room, there are some people that they satisfied with still doing church with all the animals in the room. There are others that recognize we need to get some of these animals out, but you need to get all of them out. I'm the dude that gets all of them out. And so when you look at the fact that at our church, I mean, there's nothing else for us to institute the raw authority of the word of God.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Living holy without excuse, fasting, not only just praying in tongues, but long amounts of time in tongues. Paul said, I pray in tongues more than all of you. So dreams, interpretation of dreams, inner healing, deliverance. I mean, we had a.
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Ezekiel
We.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
We got so backlogged, we had a 400 person waiting list for deliverance, 2000 person waiting list just to receive the gift of tongues. And we started knocking that out. 400 people a week. So the numbering system that is in scripture, so talking. I mean, so I've instituted all of these things because they all work together, and because I instituted all of them back, they all work together. And when they all work together, you have a different level of depth and wisdom. So. And I. And I'm a simple man. I mean, my. My spiritual dad, Oyedepo, he taught me. He said, don't raise money. He said, raise men. If you raise men, you never have any money problems. He said, remember this? He said, There are some men, they love ministry, but they don't love men. I could care less about ministry. That's why I don't even use my title. I'll leave that for all of the deep folk. I don't need the title. I don't care nothing about all of the red tape and all of that. I don't have any of that. I just. I'm just concerned about changing the lives of people. And people can feel that. They can feel it in your voice. They can feel it in your spirit. They sensed on that podcast because all of the people that. That came to the church, I started asking what was it? They said it was just. It was just life changing. It was the raw word. They said. Listening to you, we then realized that we were never crazy. And. And so. So, you know, and then I forgot the cameras were on. That's very dangerous if. Stop the cameras on. Oh, brother. Yeah, so. Yeah. So it's. You know. So here's the thing. The Bible says. And. And I'm put this plug in for all of y' all that are listening. Stay tuned because in just about a minute, we going to drop some stuff on y'. All. Y' all not ready for right. So don't you turn this off, you know, But. But the Bible says that all of heaven rejoices over one that repents.
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Ezekiel
Come on, man.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So I am someone that is deal. I am willing to deal with the persecution of the wolves in order to save one sheep. And so that's a true king. That's a true shepherd. That's a true leader. Is. Is. You're not. You know, I mean, come on. They talked about Jesus more than they talked about me. Come on in. Good company.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You know, generally the people that's talking about you don't have the manifestation you do. And generally the people that are talking about me, they don't walk in power. And most of them don't live right. Oh, I just found that to be true. I mean, you got to remember there's some people. See, let tell you something. If you're involved in something and then I show you from the world that you're living in sin, you have two choices. To humble yourself and stop sinning, or in order to continue in sin, you got to make it seem like it's something wrong with what I said. And that's what a lot of people do. They just attack me. But it's just free advertiser. I had this one lady to join my church, man. She was sitting around for the holidays listening to her, her family members go in on me. She said, man, she said, they were going in on you. They can't stand you, how out of order you were. She said, they talked about you so much, I decided to look you up. She said, and then I came and joined your church because I realized they don't like you because all of them live in sin. So, so, so again. And then, you know, when it come to persecution from people that call themselves Christians that are actually religious, I mean, how many sinners did you see attack Jesus? Jesus was constantly attacked by religious people. And the Bible says that they were. They attacked him out of envy. He was. Jesus pulled the masses, People, Masses. Amount of people away from religious people. And listen to what they said. They said, Jesus is not like the religious guys. He teach like he know what he talking about, like he has authority. And so it didn't say nothing about the religious people healing people. Didn't say nothing about the religious people casting out demons. So one of the things that I have learned is that unfortunately, we know that Christianity is in a bad place right now. And one of the things that we do is we simply attack things that we don't understand.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And so, you know, when it comes to, you know, the Holy Spirit is the one who told me, start praying in tongues for an hour before every service. So, you know, pray in tongues for a whole hour. I have somebody leading from the pulpit, English, back and forth. And. And then while we're doing that, there are people on our online strand going off of us, going off on us, cussing us out, cursing us, saying we're of the devil because we're praying in tongues. You need an interpreter, just all of that type of stuff. And, And. And yet the Lord keeps on sending them.
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Ezekiel
So you're saying, you guys. So you. You have this. And you also have. You talked to me about how you invite people to learn or to receive the gift of tongues, and then on stage you have people going forth. According to First Corinthians, chapter 14, Paul talks about the order, and when there's tongues going forth, then it cannot go forth, lest there's order and there's an interpreter. Are you saying that that's wrong?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
No, I'm saying it's an addition to that. So God does that everything in threes. Okay. Number one in the book of Acts, when they receive the Holy Ghost and everybody start praying in tongues, there was no interpreter. So it lets you know then that their God will do things a little bit different there. Here's the problem. The so second thing is, is that if you want to learn about tongues, go to the people who speak in tongues, not the ones who don't. The ones who don't speak in tongues don't have any revelation about speaking in tongues. That's why they don't speak in tongues. Number three. There are three different types of tongues. I'll explain it to you. And they're all in Scripture. The first one I'll. The first one is devotional tongues. That's for everyone. That's why listen to this scripture very carefully. Audience first Corinthians 14. It says, he that speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, he speaks to God. So if I'm not speaking to men, why do I need an interpreter? If I'm only speaking to God, he doesn't need an interpreter. It then says, he that speaks in a tongue, speaks in tongues, does not speak to men, he speaks to God. Then the third sentence, no man understands him. So if no man understands him and he's not speaking to men, then why do you need an interpreter? Because that type of tongues, which is devotional, is between me and God. Then you have a second type of tongues, which is the ministry gift of tongues, where you give a tongue to the congregation. And since it was to the congregation and not to God, you then need someone to interpret the tongue that was given to the congregation. Then you have a third type, which you actually see in the Book of Acts. You remember when they started speaking in tongues and. And it was so crazy that the whole city came out.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And what did. It was a whole multicultural group of people. And they said, wait a minute. How is it that we hear in our language these men praising God, Several languages at the same time. So there's a third type where God will drop. Will drop you down in Iran. And you can't speak the Iranian language, but you're in an emergency and you need to speak that language. So just like the Matrix, the Holy Ghost will download the Iranian language into you and you will speak it fluently. I've heard this the same way that he downloaded language into Adam, because Adam didn't go to school to learn language. It had been downloaded into him. See, the problem is, is that the body of Christ is on a high level of ignorance. I'll prove it to you. When it come to the Holy Ghost, how many times do you hear people talking about the Holy Ghost will bring things to your remembrance? How many times you hear people saying that the Holy Spirit will lead you and guide you into all truth about Everything. Not religious things. How many times you hear people talking about the Holy Ghost, revealing to them the future. That's what the Bible says about the Holy Ghost. But when you go to church, we've reduced him to a shout and a dance and, you know, thing I did
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Ezekiel
last time, I feel the Holy Ghost,
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Jesus wasn't doing all that.
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Ezekiel
Let me say this.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Let me, as a disclaimer, when people do all of that. Yeah. I'm not saying that they wrong.
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Ezekiel
Okay?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I'm not saying that they wrong. What I'm saying is quit blaming that on the Holy Spirit. That's you. The Holy Spirit doesn't control. You have to yield to them. That's not the Holy Spirit. That's not how they operate. In the Book of Acts, Jesus wasn't going around doing that. And watch this. It's okay for you to eat. It's okay for you to do that. Just remember, you can only do it in the church. You can't take that in the government. As a prophet. If, if the Lord sends you to the president of the United States for a word, you better not go up in there with all of that. They gonna kick you right out because they think you crazy. You can't go into the business world with that. So guess what? Satan loves for us to lock that right there. Because you can only do that in the church service. And Jesus said, go into all of the world. Not in all of your conferences.
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Ezekiel
I'm done.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
See. So now, so now if you want to know why, there is very little. So there's more Christian influence in the world than you know. But they don't have those antics. Oh, man, you'd be surprised how many Christian businessmen they are. Chick Fil a got the whole nation on lockdown. But you think they up in their meetings doing all of that type of stuff? No, but they discuss the wisdom of God in order to have a bull work or a juggernaut of a. Of a. Of a company. Same thing with Hobby Lobby Christian company. Okay, closed on Sundays. But, but in their perspective areas, they dominate in that area because there's. It's wisdom, it's. It's discipline, it's kingship. And, and the things of God are royal. We've turned them into emotional and flimsy as silly. And then we telling all of the people in the world, we telling the professional world, come into the church for what? We don't act like that. And guess what, and guess what wise men know in the world. You don't have to act like that to be a Christian, and I'm not going to act like that. Okay? So there's nothing wrong with it, but that's just reserved for church service. You're not going in government with that. We're going. Never mind. So. So, yeah, that's. I mean, it's huge.
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Ezekiel
So again, I love how you broke down the different types of tongues.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So watch this. Every single service, the Holy Spirit told me to do this. I said, how would you run the church if I sat down and you ran it in physical form, and I shut down as much as I could, everything I reinstituted works flawless. He said, first of all, he said, could you not pray with me for an hour? He said, because the temple is called the house of prayer, not the house of programs. He said, want you to pray in tongues for an hour. Okay? So then he said, before you preach, he says, stand up and go over these nine scriptures about praying in other tongues like this one. Peter said in the Book of Acts three things. He said, repent of your sins. Salvation, be water baptized. Water baptism, so that you can receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Praying in other tongues. Let me ask you a question. Does the cake come out right if you leave out major ingredients? No. Leave the flour out, the cake. And then you wonder why I won't rise in the oven. So the church is trying to figure out why she has no impact. It's because you set down the third ingredient called praying in other tongues. You shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you. Your cell phone only works because it has battery power. You ever seen someone pushing a car? You know why they're pushing the car down the street? Because the car doesn't have any power. You know why? To keep a plane grounded. No power. So the reason why people are not flying in life, the reason why you pushing in life instead of riding in life, and the reason why things are not working is because you rejected God's power.
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Ezekiel
Question. Question. You said something, and they shall receive the power of the Holy Ghost. Two questions. One, are you making receiving the power of the Holy Ghost synonymous with speaking in other tongues? That's one. And. Well, let's answer that first and then we'll go to the next one. Are you equating receiving the power of the Holy Ghost speaking? Is it the same thing as speaking in other tongues? Are they equivalent? Are they synonymous?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It one produces the other. It's so. So a lot of times we have in the church, we have to be careful with our tongues. So, like Charismatics and Pentecostals, guess what? They'll tell a Baptist or a Methodist. You need the Holy Ghost. That confuses them because they already have the Holy Spirit. It's two manifestations. Actually, it's three. Okay, watch this. Jesus said the Holy Spirit will be with you to convict you of sin and righteousness. So when you are a sinner, he, he's with you to convict you. Got you. That's the reason why we were living in sin. God was tapping us on the shoulder. We were trying to ignore it. So because the Holy Spirit was with you?
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Okay. But then when you receive Jesus, he moves in you.
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Ezekiel
Got you.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Okay. After he move. Moves in you, there's the third manifestation where he moves on you. It's called the Holy Spirit. Up on. When he moves up on you, it comes with a supernatural language because that language is what generates the power. That's why it says when you pray in tongues, you build yourself up, edify yourself and you improve yourself. It's power. So, but, so, but speaking in tongues doesn't get you to heaven because you have some denominations that teach, well, you can't go to heaven unless you speak in tongues. Here are on the other side of the railroad tracks because the Bible says if a man will believe in his heart and confess Jesus as Lord, he shall be saved. And the next thing after that is a period. So you can't even receive the gift of tongues unless you're already saved. See, it's a. But see, the thing is, is that the things of God. God said, I use the foolish things to confound the wise. But when you actually study everything. So what I do is at. Before I preach, I have the people, the people are standing. I said, hey, before we sit down, I want to give everyone an opportunity. I read nine scriptures about the gift of tongues. I explained it the way I did with you. And that is Holy Spirit with you for conviction, in you for salvation, on you for power. I showed them all of the Scriptures. When you pray in tongues, you're not speaking to me and you speaking to God. When you pray in tongues, you're speaking mysteries, divine coordinations and combinations and all that type of stuff for your personal advancement. And I'll do all of that. And then it's the last thing I say. I said, the Holy Spirit told me, you can listen to my sermon another day. But you receive in that room over there. When you go in there, it's going to change today and every day of your life. And I said, so if you'd like to receive that, go ahead and step out, walk over to the next room. Everybody get up like zombies, like the old Billy Graham crusades. You remember that people just get up in the stadiums. Everybody just gets up, and everybody starts clapping. And all these people just get up and they walk into the room. 100% of the time, all of them receive the gift of tongues, and they come back into the audience before I'm done preaching. So what they do is, while I'm preaching, when they're done and have received, they tap on the door, I stop preaching and let everyone come back in the congregation, and we all celebrate them together. And then everybody online says, I need to get to that church.
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Ezekiel
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I've never heard anything like this where you say 100%. Because even doesn't Paul say, does everyone speak in untungs? Does everyone prophesy, talking about the gift?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And so that's the problem, is that, is that you have the. Watch this. Everybody can learn to prophesy. Scripture says that. But not everybody is a prophet. Because there's a difference between the devotional gift and the ministry gift. Everybody can accumulate knowledge, but not everybody has the world of knowledge, which is a ministry gift. Okay, Everyone can have wisdom, but not everybody has the gift of wisdom, which is a ministry gift. So that's the problem is, is that we have to do a better job of teaching people. The difference between. Watch this. Everyone can teach, but not everyone is called to be in the ministry gift of a teacher. Everyone can evangelize, but not everyone is called to be the ministry gift of an evangelist. See, the difference? So the problem is, is that the confusion is, is that there's a difference between the devotion and the ministry gift. Because. And that's why. And the Book of Acts, it says they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them the language all 100% of the time. In the Book of Acts, when they were ministering and the people started praying in tongues, it said all of them did 100% of the time. And the scripture before that would say the Holy Ghost came on them or fell on them 100% of the time. Go back and read it. Okay, so, so, so. And then, because people ask us all the time, and I know this is going to get me in trouble because y' all about to send a whole bunch, another 500,000.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
People ask me this all the time. They said when they come to our church, they said. They said, how come when I receive the gift of tongues, all of a sudden, like, I feel like I have these powers. It's like, so their prophetic gifts will kick on. They know stuff about people, which is the word of knowledge and word of wisdom. They start seeing in the spirit, which is discerning of spirits. They said, why did that start happening? I said, because you receive power. Then I give them the example the Holy Spirit gave me. Brand new house, got a refrigerator, got an oven, got a stove, got a microwave, got a television, got all that type of stuff. Washing machine and dryer sit there looking real pretty until it gets power. Once those things receive power, what they were built for and engineered for activates.
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Ezekiel
That's good.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you, and it'll activate the gifts on the inside of you and they'll turn on. And now you got to figure out, how do I learn this and control this? And then we have to teach them and get them into classes and all of that type of stuff. So again. But again, see, so watch this. People say. People say, you know, the Bible says God is not a respecter of persons. Okay? He's the same yesterday, today, and forever. If God is not a respecter of persons, then that means that there is nothing that he will let your favorite prophet have that he won't let you have. Otherwise. He's a respecter persons. Watch this one. Another scripture. All things are possible to them that believe. All things are possible. Which means then if all things are possible to them that believe, and every single Christian believes that they can speak in tongues, that means all of you can receive that gift because all things are possible to them that believe. So if tongues is not for everybody, you got to take some of the other scriptures out, the Bible. But again, they talk about me and they cuss me out, but I'm getting the results. And. And the lives of our people are changing and they going up and they're getting their needs met and they're getting out of debt and they're getting miracles and signs and wonders. I do all of that. At the end of every service, we make another call. It's so crazy. At every service, we get 18 to 25 people baptized every service. And then we go over into the gift of tongues. If you'd like to receive that, step out into the other room. At the end of the service. I dismissed the service by saying, any of you that need healing in your body, okay, from physical sickness, disease, boom, boom, boom. Okay, you going over here to this room as we dismiss. I have a team of people. I don't Even know what they're doing in there. They come out healed, though. And this is producing my own problem again. But that's okay. So, so, so people say, well, why? The question is, why are you getting 2 to 300 people visitors a week? Because the Lord is sending them there because he knows I'm going to give him what he said in his word and not what the culture said I should give them. Wow. I'm not giving them Kool Aid because watch this. All of the people that's receiving the gift of tongues, at every service, you go tell them that they didn't receive God when their lives change. You can't argue with a testimony, homeboy. You can't even argue with a testimony. So again, that's what we're doing. But the Holy Ghost showed me to do that. So the problem is, man, is that the church has just stepped away from the Bible. You read the Book of Acts. What did the Book of Acts consist of? Evangelism, repenting of your sins, casting out demons, getting people healed, raised from the dead, fighting against witchcraft. You see that a lot in the Book of Acts. Everybody receiving the gift of tongues. That's what you see in the Book of Acts. And for some reason they think that how God started it. We're supposed to end it by just having church services where you hear a cute message.
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Ezekiel
Wow.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So you. So again, the people will tell you, you know, you can tell, oh, well, you got a good church. Yeah. Okay. It's because you got a good restaurant. It's the people eating there that determine if the food is good, not the ones serving it.
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Ezekiel
Oh,
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
so you can say all the time that, you know, I get a lot of pastors who they, they like. Why are you going over there to that church? It's all the same. No, it's not the same. Okay. It's the same body. But you feed, you feeding your people different food than I am. I'm feeding my people food for dominion. I'm. I'm feeding them the type of food that allows them to strangle the devil all by theirself without a preacher's help. I'm feeding them a different type of diet. I'm feeding them the diet that Jesus fed his disciples. He told his disciples, go out there and do the same thing as me. How has it changed? It didn't change with Jesus disciples. He had them do everything I do. It didn't change in the Book of Acts. And the whole Bible says we're supposed to do this. These signs shall follow them that believe what's so hard to misunderstand about that. These signs shall follow them that believe. They'll speak in new tongues, they'll cast out devils, they'll walk in a certain level of invincibility. They will lay hands on the sick and they will receive them recovery. And then guess what we say as dummies. Well, you know, God doesn't do that anymore. Then what does he do? Because if he doesn't do that, he also doesn't save. But anyway, so, yeah, that's a man. Let me tell you something. When I went. See, see, when I went over to Bishop Oyedepo a few months ago with my wife and you know, when the man with the largest church in the world sits with you, he knows some stuff. So every time I sit down, man, within 15 seconds he already prophesied and telling me what's going to happen in the future. So yeah, he always asked me, how are things going? I said, this is crazy. And he says the same thing. He said, you haven't even started. Based on what the Lord showed me, he said, you ain't even done nothing yet. I'm like, man, I'm not trying to hear all that, bro.
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Ezekiel
Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to manage this.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And he said, he said you were entering the phase, he said, where God is going to use you and the enemy is going to use sinners and immature person people to persecute you. And this is what he said. Enjoy it and wear it like a coat. Persecution stops nobody. It's free advertising. And God uses it because people like gossip. So all of the people out there talking about me, yeah, their members and everybody else, they investigate me and then come to the church. You know how I know this? Cuz they tell me this every week. I came for such, such. My pastor was talking about you like a dog. He ain't teaching nothing, he ain't walking in nothing. So I decided to come over here and I received the gift of tongue. I man, let me tell you something. We had two people last weekend. I. I want you to think about this. There's nothing worse than people going to a church to receive something and then they can't because you don't believe in the problem that they have.
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Ezekiel
Whoa.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Had this dude, he came there with his wife. He said, man, we drove six hours throughout the night just to get here for my birthday. I wanted to receive the gift of tongues. And he was so happy, he went in the back room, came out receiving the gift of tongues. Then right behind, right behind him, lady, she said, I flew from London just to come to this church to receive the gift of tongues. I just got here last night. That's normal. We don't even celebrate it. That's normal to be a church. I flew here to get water baptized. Cool. I flew here to receive the gift of tongues. Cool. I flew here to get healed. Cool. I flew here to get a demon cast out. Okay. Yeah. I flew here because when I flew some other place, they said, I don't believe in the problem that you have that Jesus said, will be worse in the last days. So go see a psychologist. Oh, you want the last one? You know, and so, you know, I have the responsibility. Stay tuned, viewers, because this ain't even the good stuff. This. This is just the appetizer. So I'm getting ready to hit y' all with something, okay? So. So here. Lately, the Lord has been sending me movie stars, singers, foot professional football players, people like that. And so. And from. And so from an integrity point of view, you will never hear me mention their name or even hint who they are, because they have to be protected. So it's quite a few. You know, I've had a few of them sitting in the service. I had a few of them call me sit in the service. And these are people. If I said their name, everybody would know who they are reaching out to me in private. You want to hear what one of them told me? If I said this girl's name, you'd know who she is. And don't worry, I ain't gonna never say it, because, see, I'm gonna say something, and this is a very bold statement. Apparently, TI Went to a very big church here recently, and what he observed was, he said when we and some other movie stars came in, he said it looked like the pastor turned it into a money game, decided to have a special offering and all that type of stuff and all that. And so TI Came to the conclusion that all churches are fake. Okay, I'm not. I don't have anything negative to say about TI I'm just saying that that was the conclusion that he said. He said, this is a game, you know, because I saw what y' all did when we came in. It's a game. And so. So the. The movie stars and the people that told me, I said, let me tell you something. I said, if you try to give me money, I'm gonna give it back, because I might have more than you do. This is not a broke church. I said, somewhere along the line, we got to start ministering to people, and I have to Protect people like you. So guess what? This one girl told me if I mentioned her name, everybody would know she is. She said, I went and she said I had a demon. She said, I went to a Deliverance minister. She said the price tag was so big, I had to get on a payment plan.
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Ezekiel
Price tag for what?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
To cast a demon out.
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Ezekiel
She had to pay somebody.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
The Deliverance minister. Oh, in case you didn't notice, because we do Deliverance for free. Yeah. So many people reach out to us and said, yeah, somebody told me about y'. All. Because the other places I went to, they charge. Oh, so far, the biggest price tag that I've seen is six grand.
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Ezekiel
Six grand.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And they couldn't afford it, so they gave him a discount to three grand. What is so hard about understanding what Jesus said? Freely, you have received, therefore freely give. I said, I can't ask you a question. She said, and I didn't even ask her how much. This is somebody that got money that was on a payment plan for Deliverance. This minister charged her money to cast a demon out. And of course, you got to have a repeat visit. And she said, I still got the problem. After I paid some of the money, I said, okay, well, I'm pretty sure Jesus was better at casting out demons than this little raggedy minister you met. And he didn't charge nobody.
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Ezekiel
Yep.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
He told the disciples, go out there and do the same thing as me. Just make sure you don't charge. Yeah, you're an idiot. But anyway. Oh, you stand before that, you going, jesus didn't charge, but you going to charge. And you have less power than he does. That's what I tell me. So, yeah, so it's. And so. So, yeah, so. And had another girl. She said, I went to another church, you know, and I tried to receive the gift of tongues, she said, but I don't think they knew what they were doing. And so I just told my congregation this past weekend. I said, hey, y', all, we are at the place where the type of results that we get, we have to carry ourselves very lower and make sure that we don't think that we're better than someone else. Because I can't explain why the Lord showed us how to get these type of results. We had 100% results with tongues, 100% results with demons. Unless the person want to keep it. Every once in a while, we've had people who showed up and said, I want to keep the demon because he gave me power. I just need y' all to use your power to stop him from tormenting me. I said, you got four exits. Pick one. I'm here to kill the devil. Not, not, not. Never mind. Oh, man. One of these days I'm gonna just come on here. We're just gonna tell all these stories about casting out demons and so let me say something, you know, Pastor. Does she like to be called Pastor Bev or Mama Bev?
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Ezekiel
Both. I call her both.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah. Because Pastor Bev is like, I see her as one of the sp. Spiritual mothers of the church.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Particularly in the area of deliverance.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And. And I can't remember what I was getting ready to say about what she said. What she shared was just, was just so good. But I have to come back to that, cuz I slipped my mind.
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Ezekiel
Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It'll come back.
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Ezekiel
Okay.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So. Yeah, yeah.
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Ezekiel
Well, man, I, I wanted you to be here to share some things because there's a lot of confusion in the body of Christ as it relates to end times. It's a lot of, first of all, there's a lot of disbelief that surrounds, you know, just everything as it relates to revelation because Revelation is one of those weighty, weighty books that have a lot of. Just hard to interpret passages and different things like that. No one can agree on anything. And I brought you here to the hot seat because, I mean, there may be some light that you could shed on certain things that have been discussed, debunked. There are some people that's coming out saying we no longer believe in this and we don't know we don't believe in that. And if you believe in this, you're wrong. Most recently I just had someone who, God gave him a vision of hell or, you know, had an out of body experience. And they're just like, man, this man is a liar. 1. Because hell doesn't exist yet because we're, we're not in the, the Lake of fire is not, not here or something like that. So how can someone say they had a vision of something that doesn't? They also say that how can demons have authority in hell when demons are, you know, they're, they're scum. They're supposed to be tossed into the lake of fire. And so these are things that I've had to like, go back into the comments and say, hey, look, here's scripture.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Here's a scripture.
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Ezekiel
So let's start there and then let's go into the end time. We want to go into revelation. Want to, you know, we're probably going to go Ezekiel, Daniel. We're probably Going to jump back and forth. So.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So of course you can't get into the full details of it, but I will bring out details that everyone needs to consider that even a five year old can understand.
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Ezekiel
Okay.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Number one, people have a bad habit of explaining things that trying to explain things they know nothing about. First of all, if you never cast out a demon, you don't have a clue about the nature of demons and what they can and cannot do. Number one, it's called experience. Number two, people keep talking about what Satan can and cannot do. But if you go back and read the back of the book of Job, if Satan was truly kicked out of heaven, then why could he still get back up there? And the book of Job says that the sons of God came to present themselves before God and Satan was with him. So one of the things they don't understand is Satan was kicked out of heaven, but he has legal access back up there based on your raggedy behavior. That's why in Revelation the angel said, finally, Satan has been cast down, the accuser of our brethren that accused them before God day and night. What is he accusing us of? Living in sin. You know, I got a right to destroy your boy down there because he calls himself a Christian, but he living in sin. So you know, legally I got a right to snuff his life out. And so God says no, and he extends mercy. And the definition of mercy is called tithe.
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Ezekiel
Wait,
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
but I'm trying to tell you time. Yeah, guys, mercy can be defined as time. Mercy is you're doing something you should be judged over immediately. But I'm going to give you time to get it right. So mercy is simply God giving you time. That's why the Bible says the goodness of God is what causes you to repent. So while he gives, watch this. So, so you remember what Job, what Satan told God? He said, we can't get to Joel because you got this force field around him. And then he said on every side it's called the hedge of protection. So standing in the gap means is that ofa he fell into sin and in that particular area his wall of protection came down. Wow. So I'm going to pray for him and in the Spirit I will stand in that place where the wall came down and prevent the enemy from coming in while you give him time, which is mercy to get it right. Just the time runs out eventually. That's what it means. You go to church that has a conference every once in a while where they bring in more speakers. And it's just the Same thing as the Sunday morning service. You just have to have more offerings to pay for the conference speaker. That's what y' all do. I ain't got time for that. But anyway, Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm getting a little crazy. So. Yes. So. So. So. So that's the issue is. Is that. Is that when you. I have to be totally honest with you. Prideful people can't see what's in the scripture. Judgmental people can't see it. They read right past it. Jesus told a true story about a man that went to hell and saw this servant standing in Abraham's bosom. He said the man died and went to hell. And in hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw in the distance this servant in Abraham's bosom, which is a holding place before people had the access to heaven. But see, they don't believe in the supernatural. They just believe in whatever it is that they believe in, is comfortable with. So for people to say, you know what's crazy is most people don't know this. There are tens of thousands of people around the world that are having visions of heaven and hell. Now, here's the deep part. A psychologist of integrity will tell you that if. And I'm going to tell you a quick story about this. A psychiatrist, psychiatric psychiatrist of integrity will tell you if a hundred people say that they went to a particular place and they came back and their stories are different, we could say that that's an hallucination. If a hundred people who never met, went to the same place, come back, and their stories are the same, that's not a hallucination. That's a real experience. Now, I multiply that by hundreds of thousands of people who have had visions of heaven, visions of hell. They don't know each other. They're across multicultural boards and. And different countries, from Iran to America to Russia, to everything. These people, Africa, all over the place, in every country, people having these experiences. The Netherlands, Mexico, they all had the same experience and they all came back with the same story, but they never met. But you gonna sit up and say all of them? Hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah. What they had wasn't real.
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Ezekiel
Okay, well, someone said it's mass delusion.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's not mass delusion if it's the same experience. You put, see, I got to get ghetto. Put 10 people in the room, and they all smoke weed and get hot. Do they have the same experience? No. No. One saw a mosquito. The other one saw Santa Claus. Another one saw Tupac eating. Eating a hamburger. Another one got a taste for Fritos. Why hallucination? When you hallucinate, you all hallucinate differently. When it's the same experience, real experience, you all saw the same thing. So here's a little story. Atheist doctor in the uk, he noticed this pattern. He said that I'm going to get right to the point when you know how you can die and they can bring you back. He said, when he said he noticed this pattern. He said when person that was not a Christian would die and they could bring him back, they would. They would come back horrified. They said our hairs would stand up on our arms in the room because the person will grab home. Please don't let me die. Please don't let me lie. I went to this place with all this fire. Oh, please don't let me die. Please don't let me die. So, so. But then he noticed another pattern. He noticed that when Christians would die and they would bring them back, they'd have an attitude. Oh, man, I was in a most wonderful place and y' all sat up here and brought me back to this old raggedy planet. So he was like, he saw those two patterns. He still didn't believe this man. Let me tell you something. There are some people that's like Jesus disciple Thomas. What did Thomas say? I refuse to believe.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Not I don't believe. I refuse to believe. Everybody else did. Don't care. I refuse to believe. There's some people, no matter how many people believe you don't. So he said. So he brought in a psychologist to interview the people. She said. He said, sir, we don't want to admit this. He said, but these are real experiences. He still wasn't convinced. So what he did was an experiment. He noticed that all of the Christians, when they said they came back, they came through the roof. He said, I'll tell you a proof is fake. So what he did was he put a sign. This is a true story. He put a sign on the roof, face toward the sky, lit up and it said, penguins fly south in the winter. You know, penguins don't fly, they waddle. Okay, so after that, every Christian that they interviewed, the last question was, did you notice? And you said you came back into your body through the roof. Yes. Did you notice anything strange? 100% of them, yeah. Why y' all got a sign on the roof to say penguins fly south in the winter? That atheist doctor quit his practice and became an evangelist after that. He said, yeah, I'm not that stupid. Remember Fred Price? Evidence, Evidence. I should love that when it came up. But that's real price. The daddy that's behind his program came on. So. So, yes. And so. So again, the truth will always be attacked. You just can do nothing against it. Just because you don't believe people are having these experiences doesn't mean God is going to stop giving them. Just because as a pastor I don't believe that God gives people dreams don't mean he going to stop giving them. You just going to look crazy cuz your congregation members know that God gives dreams, you don't. So. So yeah, so that is so when it comes to the end times, it's very much convoluted. Convoluted. It's a lot of confusion because you have people that are immature reading one scripture and then coming to their own conclusion about what they don't believe. Well, the Bible says in the last days that many would depart from the faith.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It didn't say a few, it said many. It says and watch this. You ready for this? Oh, this is a good one. And it also says that not only would they depart from the faith, says that they would give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. Talking about Christians, I think when you
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Ezekiel
see charismatic displays of wrong things, it's easy to say, ha, they took heed to a false prophet with a seducing spirit or seducing spirits. But when you see intellectual articulation of false doctrine, it's hard to say that that's a seducing spirit because it sounds religious, it sounds right, it's comfortable, it's easy to digest.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And that's why you have to be seduced. So I have to be seduced? You have to be. Watch this. And so when people think about doctrines of the devil. Oh, they thinking about the occult? Oh no, no, no, no. Absolutely not. No. That's not a doctrine of the devil. That's the occult. Here's a doctrine of the devil. Speaking in tongues is not for everybody. Here's another doctrine of the devil. There's no such thing as deliverance anymore. It's just psychological problems. See, the doctrines of the devil sound religious, but it's meant for you to set your power down so that they can keep on working. Doctrines of the devil, you don't have to live. Right. Grace covers your foolishness. But last time I read it was a bunch of scriptures that said, without holiness you shall not see the Lord. See? Yeah, I'mma go with that one. You can go ahead and keep on doing your foolishness. I'm not Going to take a chance because he said, without holiness. I don't see nowhere in the Bible where it says grace covers your sin. You know what it does say? It says, shall I continue in sin so that grace may abound? It says, absolutely not. See? But what is it? It's a doctrine of the devil to get you to. That's. Unfortunately, that's what happened to Kirk and Pearson. Doctrine of the devil. Everybody is saved. They can live however they want to live. See, anytime you have a doctrine of the devil, we can tell because your results start going down. How do you have the biggest church in the United States and then you, you end up dying with nothing. Doctrine of the devil meant to suck you dry. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy. And remember this. See, for us that live right, we the most dangerous. You know why? Because God, Satan can't get us with sin, so he got to get us with good. You got to get us with things that sound good, but they're not, right?
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Ezekiel
Have mercy, God.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Oh, yeah, it sounds, you know, that sounds good to somebody that, oh yes, Jesus paid it all and he loves me so much that he's going to allow me to do whatever it is that sounds good to somebody. That's immature, but it's a doctrine of the devil meant to trick you out of your eternity. So many of the doctrines of the devil, they are. It's religious dogma in the church that goes against the authentic word of God. That's good, raw word of God. And so, you know, there's this thing out here that, oh, yeah, well, I'm good, you know, saying boom, boom. And, you know, it's not as bad, you know, God, watch this. God's got me. Yeah, he got you in a vice grip, holding you until you start acting right, you know. But you know, it's very interesting, on the way here, the Holy Spirit told me, he said, you ever notice, you know, the Bible talks a lot about holiness, talks a lot about purity. Without holiness, you should not see the Lord. You know, so it's interesting, people making excuses about being pure for the Lord, but won't drink a glass of water when a waiter brings it to the table if it has one black dot in it. Oh, so let me get this right. You understand that you're not supposed to drink the water? Why? Because the water is supposed to be pure. But you have convinced yourself it's okay for you to do that with water, but God doesn't want you to do that with your lifestyle. Keep believing that, idiot. Purity is a woman. Going to wear the wedding dress. If you spill just a little bit of food on it, she going to be highly upset. Highly upset. Everything she going to do is going to be try to get that one little spot out of that dress. Why? When you walk down that aisle with a white dress, it's supposed to be pure.
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Ezekiel
Have mercy, God.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Watch this. So we doing it with drinking water. But God ain't trying to do that with your lifestyle. And yet you his child. And he said, be holy because I am. Be perfect. Nobody can be perfect within. God is a liar. You can't. You can't never become what you don't shoot for. Why do they call them sharpshooters? Because they never miss. How did they get to a place where they never miss? Because they only practice on being perfect. But whatever, everybody gonna be on this. Let me tell you something. Eternity is a long time to think about what you should have done. And I am that dude. Remember, Njango? I am that 1 in 10,000 that I. I am not. I believe what God said in that book. Jesus said, I'm not even going to judge you. He said, this book will. And I always tell people the Bible. The Bible is the constitution of the kingdom of God, and they do not change the constitution to fit your lifestyle. Lord, would you change the constitution to let me on? Mm, mm. I can't do that, because if I do that, I got to let everybody in, including Lucifer. So when it come to the end time, you know, one of the secrets for the end times is not the book of Revelation. It's actually the book of Daniel.
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Ezekiel
Really?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So everybody needs to listen to this. You need to stop doing your dishes, turn off, you know, lock your kids in the room, do something, because these, these next few minutes here, seriously. The Lord gave me this word before everybody because everybody needs to listen to this. Very, very serious. You know, let me start out with this. Usually when it comes to the end times, people that don't want to hear about it, the first thing they say is, well, you know, no man knows the day or the hour. That's all they do. No man knows the day or hour. We don't need to be worried about that, because no man knows a day or the hour. But what they don't understand is God is extremely specific. He said no one knows the day or the hour. He never said that. No one wouldn't know the month or the year. He's very specific. Okay? And when you study in scripture, men knew certain days and what was going to happen. Okay? Jesus said, when it came to this, he said if you were paying attention, he said you wouldn't allow the thief to show up and steal from you. See, so there are things that are getting ready to happen. And for those that watch this, for those that's making excuses about living in sin, for those that's making excuses about we don't believe in demonology and deliverance and we don't believe in tongues. Yeah, y' all not a part of this equation when it comes to death. Because you can't handle the stuff that's clear, how you going to handle the stuff that's unclear? Bible takes you into the deep things of God. Watch this. We can't take you into the 11 foot side of the pool if you won't even step into the two foot. And all of the tongues and all of that stuff. Yeah, that's the two foot side of the bull. That's normal. That's what everybody is supposed to walk in. Wow. Okay, so The Daniel chapter 10 is, is Daniel asked God a question about the end. And this is. There's so much insight in this. He asked God a question about the end. When he asked that question, a war in the spirit started over his question. 21 days later, what did the angel show he 21 day later angel showed him and said, hey man, your father heard your question. He sent me to give you an answer. He said, and I was coming to give you the answer the moment you asked the question. He said, Satan started a war. Watch this. Satan started a war against us so that we would not be able to give you an answer about what is going to unfold from now all the way to the end. When you read Daniel chapter 10, 11, 12 Daniel chapter 10 is the angel revealing himself to Daniel and said, I made it through after 21 days. I see that I've been fight a demonic prince. He said, he said when I go back I got to fight with him and reinforcements. He said, Michael is fighting with him now. He said n he watch this. And he said now I'm here to tell you what will happen in the latter days. Because what the. Because the plans of Satan are measured in centuries, not days. And what Satan wants to do from now until the end, he doesn't want you to know so that you put it in a book. And those at the end find out what he's trying to do. And it'll all be centered around Iran because back then it was the prince of Persia. And to this day we don't know how the prince of Per. We don't know how Persia was Persia for centuries and then at the last minute it switched to Iran. When you read and when you read in Persia, everybody knows that on the side of the planet they said in Bible Persia is Iran. So it's also a hint that there is a demonic rulership over Iran. Wow. That's why Donald Trump and his, his, his accompaniment, they don't know that they fighting two things at the same time. Trump is a very decisive man, but if you notice, he keep, he keeps skirting, he keep. We getting ready to make it happen. We getting ready. That's not how he operates. Donald Trump make a decision. Whether you like it or not, the man makes a decision and then that's a decision. But this, he hasn't been able to make a decision. He thinks it's done, then it's not. Then it twists, then the war gets ready to start. Then he says, we just abouted a peace bill. Then it's not because they don't know that they fight in that army just trying to prevent it. It's the army that's over Iran. Invincible army. But it was, it was revealed to us in Daniel, chapter 10. He gives an outline about what is going to happen on that side of the world in the Middle east, all the way up until the very end. People can't understand it because of the language that the angel uses. Okay, and then guess what he said after he told him the whole thing. Guess what he said? He said, now put a seal on this and lock it up. And the revelation about this will not be unlocked until the time of the end. He said, these two things will let you know that you're at the end. He said men will have the ability to move with speed. And he said there'll be a technology explosion that we call A.I. so watch this.
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Ezekiel
So, so you say men will run to and fro. That's movement, speed.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
That's speed.
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Ezekiel
Okay? Men.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Men rode horses. Everything that we use now is about speed. They make cars faster. They make planes faster. You buy a computer and six months later, it's too slow. They got something faster. Everything is about increasing Internet speed. Make it faster. Everything is about popcorn. Make it faster. Everything is fast, fast, fast. Everything. Watch this. The accumulation of information. Fast, fast, fast. We don't want to walk to the library anymore. For what? Everything inside the library is at my fingertips. Speed, speed, speed, speed, speed and explosion of knowledge. So here's the problem. I would have made the same mistake. So I am no way, in any form or fashion, throwing shade at a man. Of God that wrote a book about the end times, but proud of the problem with the books in the end times. They were trying to write about the end times before the revelation of end times was unlocked. Wow. Because the angel told him it won't unlock. It won't unlock until speed and a technology explosion. AI okay what I do with my phone? So I'm going to give you a couple of secrets here. Everybody needs to listen. These are the things that will help you understand that we are really at the last moment. I'm gonna read this very fast. You should know this, Timothy. In the last days will be very difficult times. People will love only themselves and their money. They'll be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to parents, ungrateful. They'll consider nothing sacred. They will be unloving and forgiving. They'll slander others and have no self control. They. They will be cruel and hate what is good. They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, love, pleasure. Rather than God. They will act religious, but they will reject the power that can make them godly. Stay away from people like that. So if God told you to stay away from people like that, why is your circle of influence like that?
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Ezekiel
I need to go through that list again. Oh, my goodness.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
There's nothing that is on that list that is not in full manifestation as we speak. Now, guess what? We all been reading that type of stuff. But here are two secrets about the end times that people don't know about. Is what Jesus said. Jesus said, my hand will be on the doorknob. He said, when you see everything that you saw in Noah's day and Lot's day, three Noah. So the key to understanding the end is three individuals. Noah, Lot, and Jesus. You ready? Okay. Now, whether you believe in pre tribulation, post tribulation, mid tribulation, 30 to 60% tribulation, the Bible says, be also ready. I don't care when Jesus is coming back. You better believe I'm going to be ready.
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Ezekiel
Amen.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
But the Bible does promise that we are going to be snatched out. Jesus said, the coming of the Son of Man will be like it was in Noah's day and Lot's day. So let's look at Noah's day. And Noah's day did not say the whole world was wicked. Mm. But before God judged the wicked, he made sure that Noah was in a safe place called a boat that was representative of the Rapture. Once Noah was in a safe place, then he brought It. So that's Noah. Oh, the second one. The second round is much worse. Then he said, now you must also look at Lot. He said, it was a whole city that was wicked. But before I judged that city, I made sure Lot, which was a righteous man. I made sure that he was in a safe place. And then once he was in a safe place, then I came and I judged the wicked. So he said how it was in Noah's day and how it was in Lot's day is how it's going to be in my day. So the Rapture is actually God saying, I need to bring all of y' all into a safe place before I judge the wicked. So the thing is, is that in Noah's day, it required him to be in a boat. And Lot's day, it required him to be in another city. In our day, it requires us to be out the planet, because he gonna judge the whole thing. Oh, so that's the Rapture. All of these got to be. No. You ready for this one? This is the one that's a killer. Now this is gonna hurt everybody. Brace yourself. Remember what Jesus said. He said, it'll be like it was in Noah's day. Last day. It'll be just like that when I return. Okay? In Noah's day, there were only few that got saved. And Lot's day, there were only a few that got saved. And Jesus said, when it comes to my kingdom, he said, many are going to go to hell. He said, few there be that will be saved. But this is the big clincher. Here's the biggest thing about Noah's day and Lot's day. The Bible says about Noah, it says that the whole area was wicked, right? But for some strange reason, it only brought out one sin. The sin of sexual perversion. It says that the sons of God had come down and slept with the daughters of men and produced Nephilim. One of the strangest stories in the Bible. And half man, half angel. And. And so God said the whole world had become wicked, so everything was wicked, right? But for some strange reason, the Bible, the only sin they talked about was the sin of sexual perversion, which is angels having sex with women. And so then you see a word, rainbow. After God destroyed everything, he said he put his rainbow in the sky. He said, I'm gonna put my rainbow in the sky to let you know I'll never judge the world with water. He said nothing about no other elements. Next time, it's fire. So you get that. Whole world is wicked. He only brings out sexual Perversion. And you see the word rainbow. You got that? Now, Jesus said Monday will be like Noah and Lot's Day. So let's. That's strike one. So let's go to Lot's Day. The Bible says that that whole city was wicked. It says Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding city. So that whole region was wicked. But for some strange reason, the only sin it brought out was the sin of sexual perversion. It wasn't a straight man in the entire city. Okay. All of that sin. Okay. Noah's Day sin. Yeah, we're going to talk about the sexual perversion. Lot's Day sin. We only want to talk about the sexual perversion. And then you want to know what the Bible says twice about Sodom and Gomorrah. It was her bride, it was her pride that caused the men to go into that. So Jesus said, when you see those two elements in Noah's Day and Lot's Day, when you see it again, he said, that's when I'm coming through. So what's the number one thing that we're dealing with today out of all of the wickedness? Sexual perversion. And what does that community march under the rainbow and pride?
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Ezekiel
Oh, my gosh. Two things. Two things I want to highlight in that.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Two things.
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Ezekiel
Well, one, that's crazy.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's beyond crazy. But see, now watch this. Hold up, though. It can't just be that. So what you have to do is you have to see sexual perversion.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
At a rampant high.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You also have to see the rainbow and pride being used, like in Noah and Lot's Day. Jesus said it'll be. She said, those are the two things you need to see to understand that. I'm getting ready to come. It can't just be that. It has to be that. Plus, it has to be Second Timothy that says the whole world will be behaving this way. Plus, it has to be. Men move with speed and then disclosing the technology all at the same time. All of that has to happen at the same time together. And then, you know, I'm coming through the door.
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Ezekiel
My question. Okay, my question is, one, why? What is it about the enemy and using sexual perversion against mankind? That's one question I've always had. I have my theories, so I want to deal with that. And two, I thought it was really interesting that the. When we're dealing with it in Noah's Day, we have these beings that intended to create mixture and compromise the image of God with the sons of God. With the sons of man. Then in Lot's story, just. You made me think of this. When they saw the Son of God, they said, hey, come. Bring him out so that we may know him. So we have human beings now trying to engage and defile themselves with angels.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Again with angels.
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Ezekiel
And so I'm trying to see, how does that manifest? I'm trying to. I'm trying to. Like, what does that look like?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
That's the other equation. Is that in the first scenario, yes, you see angels trying to have sex with humans. And the second scenario, you see humans trying to have sex with angels. And the third scenario, it just goes bonkers. That's why the scripture says. It says the Nephilim were in those days and after. Oh, that's the scripture. I don't want to entertain that. What you mean? Watch this. What do you mean they were in those days and after. I thought. I thought Noah wiped all of that out. Apparently not. There's some strange stories coming out of planet Earth right now, including cities overseas where the whole city is zombies. See? You ever notice that everything on TV always come to pass? All of it, Technology. Remember the Jetsons? All of this stuff about being able to see you on screen. They had that in the Jetsons. Everything come to pass. Simpsons, all that, all of that.
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Ezekiel
But not just that. The disembodied. The Nephilim.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah.
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Ezekiel
They is to say that these are these demon spirits that we see. So if those spirits with the same intentions and agenda existed, then. Then they exist with the same intentions and agenda now.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I've heard that, but they. But they're still fallen angels, though. I mean, Bible makes it clear that one third of the angels fell with Satan, you know, but we have had strange encounters with unclean spirits. And some of the things that they say when we ask them certain questions, and I'm like, I mean, it's just. It's just deep. I mean, this. I remember one demon told me, he said. He said, you know how with humans, he said, you at the wrong place at the wrong time, and you can get arrested because you were hanging out at the drug dealer's house. He said, for some of us, he said, that's what happened. He said, we were just with Satan and he deceived us and told us everything was going to be okay. And people forget these demons are evil. But you remember that demon that ran upon Jesus and he first start worshiping him? He worshiped him at first, you know, because that's what they were used to. But you got to remember they were this the people that will go to hell. The Bible says Satan blinds the minds of those that don't believe. This is the same trick that he used on some of the angels. He deceived them the same way that he tricked Adam and Eve. He deceived them. This dude is a master deceiver. These angels don't want to go to hell. They just believe Satan over God. And so fine, you got to go with him. Same thing with humans. You're going to believe him over me, then you go with him. It's the same thing, man. And it's just really, really crazy. There are some strange things in the Bible and the problem is we've made the Bible religious. We've made it religious and not that. This is another kingdom, a multi dimensional kingdom that has real enemies outside the circumference of our intellectual understanding.
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Ezekiel
True.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And you're gonna have to drop your religious tolerance in order to embrace scripture.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
The very man that's just crazy in and of itself that you ask. You ask God a question and you sitting by the river for 21 days, then all of a sudden an angel shows up and you go into a coma. This dude gotta resurrect you from the dead just to give you a message. Yeah, dude, we heard you 21 days ago. We've been fighting a war to get to you. Do you realize? So if they had to fight a 21 day war to give him a message, what wars are being fought over our kids? Oh, when you don't believe in power, you don't believe in praying in tongues. Not understanding that language controls that realm and holds things in check. The Holy Spirit told me, he said your church alone is covering a hundred churches in Atlanta and they don't even know it. Power. One can put a thousand, we quick, we quoted. One can put a thousand on flight. Ten can put a thousand a flight. You know ten, two can put ten thousand a flight. They're mysterious things in scripture. Don't you remember Paul? What did Paul said? He said, man, I got to the, I got to the end of my destiny. Early remember him said that? He said, he said, I got to the end of my road Early. He said, now I'm trying to figure out if I should go to heaven, which is far better or stay down here and help you.
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Ezekiel
Oh, yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah. We also think it's a coincidence that that man said, I pray in tongues more than all y'. All. They don't even know what praying tongues. They don't know that praying tongues is a form of time Travel, it moves you faster toward the goal or you stand still and it moves the goal faster towards you. But you wouldn't know that because you don't pray that way. You didn't believe in it. And it's a doctrine of the devil, because of Satan works to make sure that he has an advantage over you since you don't have power. Just do a little prayer. Won't he do it? And that's it. Father, keep the airplane in the sky in Jesus name. No, that ain't it. Jesus, what you think? Watch this. Jesus prayed for 40 days straight. What you think he was praying about? See, but that. So guess what? They'll listen to music for six hours. They'll watch TV for six hours. They'll go to a movie. That's three, four hours. And they'll go to the club for five or six hours and close it down and go to the after party. When it comes to the word of God. Yeah, I got to do that. I got to read my poem on the way out the door. Yeah, yeah. You don't walk in power reading poems or just one song. So we're right here and you know, you want to hear something deep. All cults and religions know that something's getting ready to happen.
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Ezekiel
What do you mean by that?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
In witchcraft, they believe that they are getting ready to operate in a new age of enlightenment because something is getting ready to happen. The Muslims believe that their Messiah is getting ready to show up. Christianity believe that Jesus is getting ready to come back. The occult world is bracing for a shift in the atmosphere and in the world because of AI. The AI issue is going to have to be addressed greatly by the Church because even Elon Musk said. He said 10 years ago we didn't think what is going to happen next year could ever happen in the future. It's called AGI.
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Ezekiel
Yes, I've heard of that.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Artificial General Intelligence, which means that this is what they believe is that by next year there is no part of the human thinking that an AI machine could not think in a better way. Man, they're talking about. Elon Musk says something strange. He said in about 10 years your retirements won't mean nothing. You should hear what these. You know what the crazy thing is is that all this is what people don't know. All of the top companies are investing huge amounts of money in artificial intelligence because they have now found a way to get one computer to replace 10,000 people.
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Ezekiel
Oh, my goodness.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Which. That's AGI, artificial general intelligence. I don't need an accountant when this can count better than you and faster than you. I don't need a secretary when this thing can plan better than you. I don't need an. I don't need an analyst because this thing has been programmed to analyze better than you. They getting ready to wipe out the whole job market over computers. We are creating our own enemy. And it's in the Book of Revelation. Man, people crack me up. Believe I said y'. All. I don't say stuff if it's not in the Bible. People attacked me over this until they went and read. In the Bible, it says that it is a robot that gives the command for us to receive the mark. And us is y', all. Not me.
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Ezekiel
Hold on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
A robot?
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Ezekiel
What do you mean by that?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So watch this. When. When, When. When God gave these visions to these men 2,000, 4,000 years ago, about our time, they did not have the ability to explain the technological wonders that they saw. So when John saw a helicopter, he called it a grasshopper. They had no point of reference. That's why he said this. He said this thing looked like a grasshopper. He said its wings roared like the sound of a multitude or many horses galloping. He can't explain what he sees. All he knows is, is this is some. This is something. And this thing is loud. That's why he said it would shoot snakes that had fire coming out the back, because that's what a missile looks like to a man that don't know what a rocket is.
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Ezekiel
See?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So we don't understand that what the Lord showed them, he showed them the future. But the technology and the terminology for the future that they were looking into didn't exist. So they had to use the terminology of that time. Well, this looks like a grasshopper. This looked like a snake, but fire came out his tail. You wouldn't know what a missile was. See? So in the Book of Revelations, John said. He said, I saw them create a statue. Robot. He didn't know what a robot was. All he knows is he saw something that looked like a statue that looked human. Then in the next sentence, it says, and I saw as they gave the statue life, electricity. He didn't know what electricity was. All he knows is, is that this statue came to life. Yeah, he's watching men in the future create a robot, infuse it with AI Turn electricity on, and this thing empowers. And then the next sentence says, and I watch as the statue begin to speak great, swelling words. And the first thing it says was, I command you to make Every person receive this mark. Go back and read it. We're gonna read it. AI is going to be the greatest thing that will judge the churches that don't walk in power. Oh, y' all think. Y' all think God was just doing a poem when he said, you shall receive power after the Holy Spirit comes upon you. The Holy Spirit is with you for conviction, in you for salvation, on you for power. And when he comes on you for power, it comes with an invincible language called praying in tongues, which is multiple things at the same time. As you pray, you're controlling time. As you pray, you are rearranging the spiritual realm so that physical laws can change. As you pray, you're making yourself become stronger because praying in tongues is also your own personal spiritual generator. That's why it says when you pray in tongues, you'll edify yourself. You'll build yourself up. In Jude 20, it says you will improve yourself in 1st Corinthians 14:4. But y' all don't believe that. Y' all believe in the power is. Won't he do it? Hold on to God's unchanging hand. I've been trying to, Reverend. I'm still broke, still got this demon, still got this cancer, still confused, still haven't heard from God yet. But I'm still coming to your church. Giving. That's a bad investment. Keep on paying for something with no results. Lord have mercy. See? So AI is going to judge the church.
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Ezekiel
Reason why I love that is because it reminds me of the garden, right? I always thought this, but I never heard anyone say it. So, you know, God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for a specific reason. Because if man were to disobey God and to take part of the knowledge of good and evil, then one he would have had to disobey God and lose the nature of God to do so. So now think about taking part in something that gives access to the knowledge of good and evil, yet without the nature of God that will allow him to choose good over evil, that then becomes that. That framework then becomes his own curse, just like the law of sin and death. Now, just knowing the law makes me in jeopardy of the law. So in the same way that knowledge without the spirit exposed man to his own judgment. In the same way, I believe artificial intelligence is the manifestation of knowledge without the spirit of God, all knowledge, yet never coming to the knowledge of the truth. This idea of full access, full understanding, yet without the spirit of God.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
This is the reason why the Top companies that create, that are creating AI, all of them are anti God. Every single last CEO. Top five is particular. The top five companies that are producing the most AI, that are going to transform planet Earth. All five CEOs are unbelievers and against God. No, it's not an exaggeration. And then here's your thing. You go back to Adam and Eve. God told them, don't touch the tree. So guess what? How does Satan get them? He had to seduce him. It's that seducing spirit again. He had to seduce him with a doctrine of the devil. It sounded right, but it was still wrong because. Because watch this. God told you to leave that tree alone, right? Satan said, you know, you know how he got Adam and Eve? He got him by telling them the truth. He said, oh, that's not really what God means. He knows that the day you eat the tree, you'll be like him to know the difference between good and evil. Oh, I'm about to hit that. And so when they sin, guess what God said. He said, look, now they have become like us to know the difference between good and evil. So he hit him with a doctrine of the devil. The doctrine of the devil. It sounds real close to the truth. It just doesn't tell you the end result of you disobeying God.
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Ezekiel
There it is.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Now here's the crazy part is that this is very, very in depth because this is very, very powerful. There are some things that God doesn't want you to know. Adam woke up and they only knew good. God did not want them to know evil. So when Satan came to them. So Satan comes to them with information they never heard about. So when he said, oh, you can, you can touch it. God just doesn't want you to know the good. The difference between good and evil. Adam and Eve said, what's evil? You know why they ate the fruit? Because they thought evil was good. Because they didn't know what evil was. And because God is good and he only shared with them the good. They thought that God was keeping some good from them. So they decided to partake of this evil that they thought was good and they found out what evil was for real. That's how Satan gets you. Slick, smooth. It's okay to disobey God a little bit. It's okay to water it down a little bit. It's okay that Jesus told you that this is the definite ministry. It's okay for you to focus on color schemes and conferences instead.
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Ezekiel
Color schemes is crazy.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I've done one conference in 14 years. And my wife did a women's conference. That's it. I don't need conferences for what? I don't need a billboard for what. OO taught me that. He said there's some things you can do to invite people to church. There are other things you do when people invite themselves. I got 300 people inviting themselves to my church every single weekend. I can't keep up. Thank God. I'm in a huge movie theater. We're in the main sanctuary. Then we're in the overflow room. Now we're getting ready to go to a second overflow room. Then I'm getting ready to start doing full time Deliverance on the Sunday morning. So now when you come to Lionheart Church, guess what you'll see Water baptisms. You'll see the Word. You'll see people receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. You receive people healing. And then there's another sanctuary where people are having demons cast out. And then I'm gonna be crazy enough to stream all of it. I had the whole bar, I had the whole building wired with fiber. So next year I'm gonna probably have to start doing meetings and like the state from arena and stuff like that. Because it's, it's just, I mean, it's just. Yeah, I mean, if I did it now, you know, I mean, if I did it now, I could do it now. But like next year I'm already planning on doing resurrection service in some big. Because I can't. It's. Let me tell you one of the experiences that we have. So we, we, we, we have the sanctuary. We did it. And so as we were working on Overflow Sanctuary number one, one of the security guys had a vision. He said in the vision, he said there was an angel standing in front of our building with his hands in front of the building, not allowing people in. And then in the vision, someone said, hey, Pastor Otha, we just finished that sanctuary. Come take a look. When the angel heard that we had finished the sanctuary, his he let his arms down to let people in the building to fill that sanctuary. Nice, full. And so I got to go to another one. So let me tell you something. Real faith is to seek God about how to handle revival. Right now we're using our faith for, for cars. Every conference is about the next breakthrough. Now yours is different because I ain't about breakthrough. That's about deliverance. That's the difference. Yes, but every conference is about the next breakthrough. Every conference is about going to the next level. And God is getting ready to take us here and he getting ready to take us there and all that type of stuff. But the truth is, is that real faith is not used on things. Real faith is used in order to free people out of the hand of the enemy. Real faith is used to get people healed of sickness and disease supernaturally. Real faith, faith. Remember when Jesus told the disciples, he said you couldn't cast a demon out because your faith was too weak. Real faith is for exploits like that we can't even get to that. We can't even get faith to get our car paid. No car note paid. As I say, trying. Trying to keep the cable bill on. Father, in the name of Jesus, could you turn the cable back on so I can watch Sesame street again? So, so you know, you might have something that you want, but honestly man, it's. It's everything. And that what I shared about the last days, that's the light part of it. There's much more. I encourage you and all of your listeners to watch Messiah 2030. It's on YouTube.
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Ezekiel
Messiah 2030, my site is on YouTube.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's a free.
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Ezekiel
I began it.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
That. Man, that thing is the most.
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Ezekiel
It's so thorough.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's beyond thorough. It's beyond thorough. And if you didn't.
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Ezekiel
Oh the, the scriptures are not normal. Let me tell you something. The scriptures that we, that we have are not normal. This is not a normal book. Everything I used to do poetry and one of the reasons why I used to rap at first and then I was doing poetry and that's. I realized I had to dumb it down because I realized I did something like multi. Multi meaning syllable. I mean metaphors. So if I said one thing, it meant three things. The Bible.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Oh,
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Ezekiel
everything was so intentional. And so I'm over here tripping about like. Let me dumb it down. This scripture, man, you could read one layer and be set free and saved for the rest of your life. Second layer, you want a different place. Third layer, fourth layer. It's so rich. And that, that Messiah 20:30, that's the
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
most phenomenal thing I've ever seen.
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Ezekiel
It connects dots and it makes you feel so utterly dumb.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I'm telling you man, you that it's just certain people like that that have the greatest revelation for me is the Bible makes it clear that there will be 6,000 years of human history.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And then a thousand year reign of Christ. So that's 7,000 years. I did not know that every time you see the number seven it represents it would be 7,000 years from Adam to the End. And every time you see the number three, it represents that it would be 3,000 years from Jesus to the end. And because seven represents Adam, three represents Jesus. And that's why the Bible calls Jesus the second Adam.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Hey, that. You remember that scripture? It says after six days, Jesus took the disciples that were closest to him to a high mountain apart. And he was transfigured before them. So you got the disciples that were close. You got three disciples that were close to him. And the three disciples are watching three men. See, this is the other thing that people are dead in the grave. See, that's another thing. No, nobody's in heaven. They're dead in the grave and resurrected. And where did Moses and Elias come from? Moses and Elijah were in heaven. They came back to talk to Jesus about his ministry, where they come from. They came out the grave and then flew to the sky and then came down. No, they were all transfigured. Jesus talked to them. And the three disciples are watching the only three men in the Bible that did a 40 day fast. All of that in that one. After six. Watch this. After six days, I'm gonna give you the revelation. After 6,000 years. After six days, Jesus took those that are closest to him to a high mountain park. After 6,000 years, Jesus will rapture the out of the planet that's close to him and take them to heaven and they will see him as he is transfigured.
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Ezekiel
No.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Watch this. All of the individuals that your grandmother told you to live. Right. You didn't think it was that deep. Yeah. For you all that didn't want to listen to your mama and your daddy. And you said all of the preachers are fake and all of that type of stuff. Yeah. They going to break in the churches to listen to the gospel. I know right now that what I am teaching is for those that will be left behind. I know that. I know that beyond the shadow of a doubt. The most mysterious thing is man, is that the Lord has this generation here right at the end. You know, out of all of the times that we could have been born.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Out of all of the times God saved the best for last. You and I are here in this planet during the worst time. You and I were placed here during the most distracted time. Heaven calls this era the, the age of the Great Distraction. That's what heaven calls this, the Great Distraction. You know, because. Because people won't set their phones down. The people that are creating AI, they actually admitted, they said the video games and the cell phone and the AI, they said it is completely destroying the construct of these children's minds. You know, people don't know what dopamine is. We operating in it right now. Yes, but because it's healthy, okay? Once we dopamine it, it engages you to talk about this. That's why we keep on going. We can just talk naturally for the next few hours after we're done. That will naturally come down.
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Ezekiel
But.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
But that's what exists when you play video games. That's what exists when you're on social media and it's completely unhealthy. It's just going up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down and slowly making you crazy. This generation is going to deal with Alzheimer's at 30, not 80. It's already happening. It's a plague in Japan right now because the kids play video games all night and kids just committing suicide and they're going berserk. They're going mentally crazy. Even most people don't know this. When you actually study the manual for the video game, it actually tells you, be careful because this can cause seizures in children.
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Ezekiel
So. So do you believe that in our lifetime, Jesus Christ is coming back?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm. I'm going to be totally honest with you now. Granted, I could be wrong. I'm not one of. Yeah, let me say this. You know, when I grab the microphone like this, I'm about to say something crazy. So you always get these guys that say, he coming back next Tuesday, 3 o' clock through China on a golden airplane, which is Kentucky Fried Chicken in the back. They say crazy stuff like that and people believe it. Watch this. My thing is, I'm gonna be like that. That Gollum told the guy in Lord of the Rings. He said, what's in here? He said, you'll see. My thing is, we'll see. I never understood if Jesus is coming back, why you need to sell your car, why you need to sell your house and go out and meet him on some mountain. He know where my address is. If you're coming back, he can come get me from my address. I'm keeping my car.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Matter of fact, I might be burning rubber around. I'm gonna get a few donuts in before you know what I'm saying. I got this new supercar. I never understood that. So this, of course, is my opinion. And whenever I have an opinion, I made it known that it's my opinion. But when I tell you, I will be completely blown away and surprised if this thing makes it to 20, 30. Because, see, see, 30 years ago. 30 years ago, you know, you know, when people were stealing and maiming, guess what? Old folks say it's a sign of the times, okay? And then when. When perversion started happening, men with men, women with women, bestiality, bit of. It's a sign of the times, okay? So people like Jesus coming back, this is the first time in history of planet Earth that every single thing has lined up at the same time. Second Timothy. Speed, technology explosion.
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Ezekiel
Well, anybody could have said in the 1960s that as a technological explosion, yeah,
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
they could, but not like this. Not like this technology explodes. In the 70s, we were just finding about computers, okay? So when you look at the amount of AI is different than any other thing that we created in the planet AI. So watch this. This is the first time in history that. That they talk about. Did you know that some of the people that are creating AI said give it time, and they will wipe out 90% of the workforce. It'll all be run by computers. What we need humans for. Did you know that Tesla is Elon Musk is building robots?
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Ezekiel
He's. I'm hearing things from Elon that sound very disturbing.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Would you like to know what he said? He said for the first two years. For the first two years, every robot we built will be for Tesla because he's gonna wipe out his workforce.
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Ezekiel
He.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
He.
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Ezekiel
He believes that. That in a few years. He says less than 10 years, he's our five to 10 years. There will no. There will be no need for doctors. There'll be no need for professionals of that type, because they'll be better than doctors, they'll be better than surgeons.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
But it's one element they forgot. The wages of sin is still death. There is no AI that can counter that. If AI can get rid of the death and sickness and disease that comes from sin, God does not exist. It's as simple as that. So that's why I said AI is going to judge the church for y' all playing games and not walking in power and accepting what the Lord is, because this. That's getting ready to come on the scene. Yeah, you got to have God speak to you in the dream to bypass this. This is coming on the scene. You got to know how to pray in a language that AI will never be able to comprehend, called praying in tongues. This is the Holy Ghost language. You dudes ain't that smart enough to interpret what we say for one second, let alone for an hour. See, you got to know how to pray in a language that bypasses confusion.
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Ezekiel
That's crazy.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And by. Yes, bypasses coding. We already own that. See, that's why in part of our prayer point, we talk about algorithms and. And that try to stop us. And different. We've had situations. I just had an example yesterday. My wife tried to pay for something because we're going out the country. She tried five different cards. None of them worked. Five different cards, debit cards, credit cards, other debit card, other credit card, different companies. None of them worked. The lady was blown away on the other end. She said, we've been doing transactions all day long with all the people with all other cards. She said, this makes no sense. She says, it would be different if all of your cars were from one company. You use three different comps from three different company, and none of them work. So I said, I know what's going on. She says, give me until tomorrow. See, guess what people reduce the devil to, like the club and. And. And marijuana and drugs and. And sleeping around. No, the real devils are in technology. Oh, these dudes know some stuff. You. All the real devils are the ones who teach men how to take a plant and turn it into a drug. You think the Holy Ghost shared that with them? No. Who shared with these men the inventions to take something and turn it into a drug? The dark side teacher who's teaching the witches how to walk in this power. The dark side. See, so the problem is, is that darkness has become very, very powerful and intelligent and intellectual while the church is still just running around the building talking about God is in the room. If he was really in the room, your cancer would have left you just running. And I ran at the club. It was still exciting. Right now different. They don't know the difference between goosebumps and presents.
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Ezekiel
Oh. Oh, my.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You go to a worldly concert, it's gonna feel light.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's gonna feel energetic. I mean, they're gonna be songs that they may sing. Man, the hair stand up on y'. All. Yeah, so. So, yeah, but anyway. But. Yeah, so. But my personal belief. Let me tell you something. I'm getting ready. After I get back from this vacation, I'm going into prayer. I said, holy Spirit, I need you to show me how to prepare for next year, 2027. Because the truth be told, even when we watch Mossad 2030, if that's true, that means the rapture has to happen three years before that. I personally believe something is going to happen in 2027. I really do. But no matter what you tell people, they're not going to Believe it until it happens. But it's going to happen. Oh, believe me, trust me, it's going to happen. Okay? And so that's what I believe. And let me say something, man. Let me say something seriously. Look at the state of the generation of 25 year olds and under right now. Skip other countries, just look at America. Look at the state of these kids. They are zombies. They don't know how to dress, they don't know how to act. I mean, look at the stats for how many children are still can't read above fifth grade level. Look at the stats of. Most kids don't know how to tell time on a manual clock. This is they, they, they're engrossed in a fake world. Video games and social media. Have mercy, God. And what they watch on social media is ratchet stuff. Many of them don't know that whatever you click on, the algorithm gives you more. Most Christians don't know if you start paying attention to this. Most Christians don't know that if you look at positive stuff, have you noticed that after you watch a few videos, something negative pops in? The algorithms are programmed to give you stuff that you didn't ask for because they need to bait you and get you hooked on everything that's programmed. It's programmed. Okay? So watch this. When you look at the state of these kids, you could have stated these kids. And, and, and they're hooked on social media, they're hooked on AI, they're hooked on this file music, they're hooked on video games. Now you tell me, I hate to say this, how your little raggedy church service is about to get their attention. Explain that to me. You talking about the kids don't want God? No, they don't always exist because he's not in your place.
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Ezekiel
What?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
We have found the reason why I got so many different races in my church. You name it, it's up in there. Some people come from countries. I don't even know where this country is. They got to pull out a map to see if this place exists. To make sure you're not an alien. Yeah, I mean there's all multiple age groups. I got all type of old people, media people, and tons of young people flocking to the church in droves for one reason. I brought them in contact with the other side. That's what they tell me. They said we here because you brought us. They said what you teach? They said the level that you teach, it makes up. Look, it makes us look at AI as less. Whoa. What you teach, it makes us realize that witchcraft is scum compared to y'. All. That's good because these kids grow up in power. They grew up. Every show got to do with the supernatural. From Marvel to witchcraft to Harry Potter, everything is about the supernatural. Everything is about power you can operate in. And then the ones who have power said, jesus, we don't need what you said. We're just going to do color schemes and conferences and church services and have a nice talk about how you can have a good life. And nobody's having a good life because you rejected all of the stuff that's necessary to have a good life.
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Ezekiel
Listen, listen. And it's, it's the generation that doesn't care about nothing else but the authentic. And we can't get them with the conferences, we can't get them with the. Well, I don't know how you do with the yabo. We can't get them with none of that.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
These kids, they ain't trying to hear that, that they're not. Let me tell you what the most wonderful thing is. One of the most wonderful things is, is these, these, these. I mean, when you see the people step out for the gift of tongues. I mean, black, white, Hispanic, Indian, Arab, Russian, they all stepping out. Young, old, some ever. Almost every time people step out with their entire family, husband, wife, three kids, seven, eight, nine going there, 30 minutes later, all of them come out praying in tongues and rejoicing every single service. And then the most wonderful thing is I just saw this. What is today? I just saw this this past Sunday at the. Was it the first service? I don't know what service it was. And sitting on the second row and I saw a family that had went in the back to receive the gift of tongues. And they sitting there on the second row just praying, just praying. And their daughter, which had to be all of 8 years of age, maybe sitting there with her eyes closed, just praying in the spirit. Praying in spirit. Wow. I brought her in contact with the Holy Ghost. I didn't bring her in contact with religion. I didn't bring her contact with a boring sermon using big words that's outside her understanding.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
But a six year old will understand. You shall receive power. God is going to give me a supernatural language that'll bypass Satan. He's going to give me a super likeable language and it's going to turn me into a better person. And as I pray in this language, I don't build up more rewards in heaven and I can contact the invisible. And that's me working alongside with a ghost. That's on inside of me, that's holy. And Satan can't understand it. And I can manipulate natural law. I'll take that. Because when I watch Harry Potter, I can't get that. I can just watch it.
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Ezekiel
Wow.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
When I watch Avengers, I just have to watch that. Okay, I can watch Thor throw his hammer. But here you said, I got a real one. Because God said when I send my word out, it accomplishes and it won't return to be void. And he said, it's not my hammer, it's not my world. Like a mighty hammer that smashes rocks to pieces. So you teach that type of stuff and you. And then you send in all you want to know. Who does evangelism in our church? The young people, 18 to 25 year olds, they're the ones that go out every weekend to do evangelism. They go out, just do stuff, no hindrance whatsoever. All type of crazy stories, they'd be, man, they doing stuff that I don't even like. I got one daughter, man, she'd do some stuff. And I don't tell her to stop, but it's dangerous. And I just don't tell her to stop, you know, I mean, I watch this worst thing ever happened, is she dying? Go to heaven and I'll live with her forever. See, but see the church, the church is so low, she's scared to go to heaven.
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Ezekiel
Whoa.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You live in an apartment. Somebody offer you a ten million dollar mansion? No, I just want to hold on to this apartment. You, you, you driving a hoopdy that's smoking up the intersection and somebody offers you a brand Mercedes Benz. No, I'm going to just keep this hoopty. You eating cheap dollar food that's moldy. Somebody offers you the best food in planet earth, okay, you living in this raggedy planet, dealing with work, getting paid money that's not worth your time. You got an education, working in the area you didn't go to school for. You can't stand your job. Some of them can't even stand their spouse, can't stand their parents. You don't live in the house you want to live in, not driving the car you live in. And then Jesus said if you die, you're going to come to a place where you get a mansion and you're going to live in a place where it is joy, unspoken, unspeakable. And I create pleasures for you forever. And he's like, no, I'm good. I need to stay here until I'm 142. I mean, that's how many times I tell people, why y' all crying over your Grandmother? Your grandmother, 100 years age. Let her go. Y' all crying. The woman is in a better place. But she. You don't have a revelation of a better place. That's why you just said religiously, you know, she's in a better place. No, I don't cry over any Christian that dies because they crying over me. That's why Paul said. He said, I'm really struggling. He said, I could go to heaven, which is far better. And he said, but I think I might stay down here just to help y' all a little bit. He said, I'm gonna be out in a second. Enoch was so close to God. God, he. He apparently wanted to leave his family behind. They'll be all right. She can get another man. I got. I got a relative that he had. He had. I believe he had. He had a visionary experience like that where he experienced a rapture. He said he was. He was flying through like, outer space at phenomenal rate of speed. And he said the old skin was coming off and a new glorified body was coming on. He said, it is beyond exhilarating. He said, the music, unbelievable. He said he got to the gates of heaven and the Lord said, you've been faithful. I'll let you have this experience to show you the future, but you must go back because there's work to be done. And even though he had a wife and kids, he begged God not to send him back. That's why most people don't get a vision of heaven. Because if you see it, you try to go to the funeral home and jump in the casket. I'm dead serious. Remember what Paul said? Paul said, when I got caught up there, he said, I don't even know if I was in my body or not. He said, what I will tell you is I heard things it's not even possible to repeat. The man never mentioned what he saw. He said, I can't tell you what I heard. Group of a man and a woman. In the Bible, an angel did something for them. And he said, what's your name? So that we can remember. You go. And the angel said. He said, what you asking my name for is too wonderful for you to understand.
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Ezekiel
What?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
That place is so crazy that words are too beautiful for you to understand. The name of an angel is too. Can you imagine asking the angel his name? He's still talking 10 minutes later. Eyes haven't seen, ears haven't heard. Now, that has entered into an intellect. What God has in store for those that love him not go to church.
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Ezekiel
Oh,
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
the Holy Spirit taught me years ago. He said, uses Ephesians 3:20. God can do exceedingly, abundantly above all you ask or think according to the power that works in you. He said if you want to know what heaven is like. He said, whatever you think and think up. We laughing, talking about the lady that was caught up to heaven. She said, young Korean girl, she said Holy Spirit told her to draw it down the scale. She said she saw mansions in heaven that were 300 times larger than planet earth. We say God is big. You ain't got no revelation of big. I mean think, I mean just think about that just for a second. I mean some, there are some movie stars, some sports figure they have a mansion that you would, you would be intimidated to drive past it, let alone go in it. You know, it might be 30,000, 40,000 square foot house, you know what I'm saying? Got an illustrious driveway with a fountain, marble floors, basketball court, swimming pool on the inside of the house. And you're like, that's crazy. Yeah, that is a trash can in the alley because that was built an architect by a man who operates at 10% of his brain power. So if a man can build something like that, what can God build in heaven? Oh my goodness, God's watch this. God's mansion is so big that all of our mansions fit in his house, not in heaven. That's why Jesus said, in my father's house are many mansions. The same way that your kids all have a bedroom in your house. So she said they were mansions so big that if they were in planet Earth, you'd have to have a car just to get to the next room. Can you imagine? Your mansion is so big that you in Atlanta, but in order to get to the dining room, you got to get in the car and drive to Tennessee. So, but yeah, so I believe, I believe with all of my heart it's but so. And see, here's another thing. The whole world is on edge when you look outside. This crap that you see cannot be maintained. And AI is not getting ready to change that. It's going to make it worse.
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Ezekiel
Absolutely.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Because any level of technology, look at all of the technology that has been introduced up until this point.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It made things better, but it also made men more evil. So now you're getting ready to watch this. Now you're getting ready to institute the highest level of technology. Why? Because we're getting ready to operate in the highest level of evil, which is The Antichrist.
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Ezekiel
Oh, my gosh.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I'm being totally honest with you. I'd be very surprised if Nothing happened in 2027. That Messiah, 20, 30, that messed me up. Because you can't argue with it because that man used scriptures that you like you said that man used scriptures, and it's a part one, a part two, and a part three. That man used scriptures that I had some of them, I saw. But I'm like, every scripture is like this. It's ridiculous. I mean, I think the first one, he used like 25, 28 scriptures to prove the same point over and over again. 3 and 7. 3 and 7. 3 and seven. And I was just sitting like the
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Ezekiel
parallel between creation, the six days and then the rest. And then it. He even did the Jewish. What was it?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah, the. The. The manor.
- [101:39]
Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah, that was sick. That was crazy. But see all of these scriptures in the Bible. Watch this. This is after two days, he will revive you. In the third day, you will live in his sight. Watch this. After Jesus dies, after 2000 years, he'll be raising everybody from the dead. But in the third day, which is a millennium of Christ, you'll live in his sight.
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Ezekiel
Yeah, it's almost like by the end, he would have told us so many times, we would have no excuse. That's why I said, all men will be without excuse.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Would you like to know why? Jesus said, to understand my day, you need to understand Noah and last day. That's a huge amount of time. Because Noah and lot that happened at the beginning. Jesus said to understand what's going to happen at the end. So the key to understanding the end is looking at the beginning. That's why the Bible says God, he said, I speak the end from the beginning. So the key to understanding the ending is understanding the beginning.
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Ezekiel
And.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And watch this. They started at the beginning and they move forward in time. They got to the halfway mark, and as they were moving toward the future, they were also moving towards the past. That's why in order to get back to the beginning, you got to move through green energy and sexual perversion. Because that's what was in the beginning,
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Ezekiel
that that same tree of life is in the end. We're all trying to get back to the presence of God. That's crazy.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So you also have to see a measure of extremely high level of intelligence called. Called AI because that's what Adam operated in before he fell. High level intelligence. That man woke up and knew knowledge. He knew everything. Jesus, God brought the animals to see what he would call them. How you do that? You don't go to school.
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Ezekiel
So.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So it's just, it's, it's, it's. So the problem is man, the. I think the biggest problem today is that the church is very shallow. And the Bible says, to whom much is given, much is required. And it says, if you're faithful in lease, more shall be given. Yes. Now watch this. So the reason why the body of Christ is so ignorant right now is because you haven't been faithful with the least. So you still rejecting tongues. You still say demons don't exist. Jesus said in the last days, he said you would have to do it more than his days. He said that you don't believe in demons. You don't believe God speaks to people in dreams. If you take dreams out the Bible, there won't be one. You don't believe in the prophetic ministry. You don't believe in lanes on the sick. You don't believe in none of that. So guess what? All of that is the least. So if you won't accept that, why is God going to give you more?
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Ezekiel
And it makes sense that because this day and age of Christianity is dependent on these intellectual conversions. Why wouldn't AI appeal?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah.
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Ezekiel
To a Christian that has relegated himself to just the mere intellect.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I did it. Ever learning, but never, never coming to the truth. Ever learning, but never. I listened to a video today and a group did a study on Christians. They said about 20 to 25% of Christians believe that artificial intelligence can be trusted to teach them about God. More than a pastor. 25% minimum.
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Ezekiel
Wow.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So. So instead of talking to a pastor about direction, you go to AI that is created by men that are against God. So a man did a test in his pulpit. He asked AI a question about the gospel and AI give him the answer. And then I couldn't believe this happened. He did it live. AI give it, gave him the answer. He said, now why did you give me an answer like this when the scripture says this? He said, oh, he said, I gave you a different answer based on the culture. That's what the AI told him. See? So guess what? For everybody that's listening, yeah. It's okay for you to use man. I use AI every single day. I don't do this. I'll say, I'll punch this in. I'll say scripture where David and his men were in the cave. And AI will bring that up for you.
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Ezekiel
Yes, yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I use it to give me information. Yes, yes. You know, it's just like Google. Yeah. It's like Google. Hey, I got a mosquito bite. What's the best thing for it? Yeah, I use it for information all the time. Yeah, but when you start using it to now control your life instead of the Holy Spirit, what you said is, holy Spirit, I'm setting you down. Watch this because it takes time to foster a relationship with you. But this anti Holy Spirit, he's willing to tell me everything up front. Just like Satan did with Adam and Eve. Biggest deception in planet Earth. Again, the. The Bible says that everything in planet Earth can change. It says the Kingdom of God does not. And you remember when. Let me tell you what the church is right now. I'll share this last thing and we'll see what's up.
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Ezekiel
Yes, sir.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You remember when David, David put that. The Ark of the Covenant. Yes. He built a cart with wheels. Yes. It had oxen pull it. Okay.
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Ezekiel
And.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And you remember that the oxen were pulling the cart and. And the ark shifted.
- [107:00]
Ezekiel
He's.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
One of the. One of the animals stumbled and made a shift and one of the men put his hand up so it wouldn't fall and God instantly kill him. Okay. And so then David got very, very afraid and offended and he dropped that thing off at Obed Edom's house. I know Oedipo is the one that taught me this. He said that new card is called new technology. He said, in the kingdom of God, there's no new technology. You still have to do it the old way. And that's why a man got killed so many people. We are we killing our destinies, we're killing our results because we trying to base the results on technology and not do it in the old way, which is you're still supposed to be on your knees at home seeking God with your phone off and a Bible in front of you to get a word from the Holy Ghost.
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Ezekiel
Well, say that again.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
My ministry is working because I don't listen to technology. I don't listen to other men. I don't listen to what they teach in Bible schools and cemeteries and seminaries. My ministry works completely different than everybody else's is because I do it the old way. So guess what? When they went and got the ark out that man's house, guess what David said? He said we messed up because we did it another way instead of the way God told us. And God told us to carry that ark on poles as men carry it, because it's supposed to be a burden when it comes to the presence of God, people don't like burdens. But Jesus said, my Yoke is easy and my burden is light. But it's still a yoke and it's still a burden. You got to do it my way. Follow me and I'll make you follow yourself. And we'll see where you go with that. So that was a very valuable lesson. And God told him, do it this way. But new technology found a way to make it easier, found a way to make it fast.
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Ezekiel
Have mercy, have mercy, have mercy.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And then one mistake and then somebody died. And then they set that thing off and there was a delay and then go back and read it. David said we have to carry it on the poles. God told us to carry it. So no matter what technology comes on the scene, understand that. We got wheels now, we got carts now, and we got animals that'll carry this for us. But God didn't say nothing about no animal carrying the presence of God. Men got to carry it on their shoulders because it's a burden. So we got to do it the right way. And then when they did it the right way, David was rejoicing, taking the ark back. And as he was dancing, his wife got offended and God closed her womb because she was mad at the man of God that had did it the right way.
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Ezekiel
Dude, listen, listen. I. This is too eye opening. I. I don't even know what to say. I don't even know what to say. It's so much. It's so much in this that this has to be repeated over and over. We gotta get in our spirit. I think there you're sounding an alarm. And I love even what you said in the end, like, man, we gotta get back to the word. And even just a simple practical thing of saying, hey, put your phone down, pick up that word, get back to the word. Get back to the word. Get back to the word. There's nothing that you preach that's saying, try to be inventive. Get, create. No, get back to what?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Because what you are reading is more technological than AI.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
When they came out with the computer, they tried to use it to prove that the Bible was archaic. They found out that the Bible was more technological than the computer. Because all you do is focus on the religious aspects. You don't focus on the technology and the technical aspects as well as the mathematical code that's in the Bible. That a computer.
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Ezekiel
We ain't even talking about that.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
We ain't about talking all of that type of stuff. So, so and so that's where we are. We got to get back to. Because again, something else about Nelson we may need to be done. Something else about knowing last day. You know what Jesus also said about Noah and last day? He said everything was normal before it happened. He said everybody was building. Everybody. Notice what he said. He said people were getting married.
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Ezekiel
Marrying.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
He said people were building, people were planting, and everybody was going about their regular day activity. Wow. He said, until the day Noah went in that ark. It was a surprise. Until the day the sun was shining. Until Lot got out that city and then everything switched in one second. He said, it's going to be big. So you. You have to study Noah and Lot in the beginning to see. Because Jesus said, focus on Noah and Lot and everything that happened with that. He said, that'll give you a sign about when I'm coming. When you see those elements and all of those elements are there with everything else, including what that angel told Daniel in Daniel, chapter 10 through 14. So, yeah, we're gonna see. But you know what? You know what? You know, one of the biggest revelations that we have not taught is what we're gonna be doing on planet Earth for a thousand years when we come back.
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Ezekiel
Oh, man.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah. When you. That says it right in scripture, people can't see that stuff because they can't even get past the elementary stuff that they think is deep. Ain't nothing about casting out demons. It's nothing deep about getting somebody healed. That's normal stuff. At our church, we don't even celebrate it because it's normal. Supposed to be normal. It's so normal that when the disciples came back and said, lord, we can cast demons out in your name, guess what he said? He said, ain't nothing to be happy about. What you should be happy about is that you're going to heaven. That's what you should be happy about. Casting on demons is insignificant. I have to be totally honest with you. I have to be totally honest with you. I don't know how I got here. I just. My wife and I talk about that every single day. Is that why were we picked to restore all of this? And I don't know. I've been always been an obedient man. I've always loved the truth. Even when I was living in sin, I love the truth. But I don't know. I feel like David, I think it's just. I hate to say the luck of the draw, but I was just chosen. And the longer I'm around, the more I kind of see why the Lord chose me. Because I'm like, why don't you choose him? Why choose him right you know, but, but. So don't get me wrong, I'm very, very. I'm very, very bold. I'm very, very sharp with my revelation wisdom, very arrogant against darkness. But, but everybody needs to know that. I hardly don't. I don't think I'm anybody. I mean, it's just, it's just out of all of the people God picked to do this, he picked me. And, and so it's just very wise for me to be worthy of the pick all of the people that, I mean, it's not too many. I mean, a lot of guys. You know what? Your program is different because you actually bring on real people with real testimonies and let them tell their story versus just looking for clips to put up to get likes.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You know, look at this. And what do you think about this? Yes. And so that's why yours is so different. You got real people coming on. And so that's why real people are getting results, because you got real people coming on and sharing their testimony. And like my member Lakeisha, she's so wild. He should be hollering and screaming during the church service. I just, you know. You know, but you diff$kids have different personalities. But yeah, just, I mean, and there are people that's making real decisions when it comes to this, but we're rare. But the Bible says, you know, yeah. If few there be, find the road, less than that go down the road, and even less than that get to the end of the road. Have mercy, man. You can't be. I don't pay attention to nobody. Somebody got a big old movement, prophetic encounter, big old church. We may not know where they are in five years. It's a lot of guys that I saw shooting stars don't know where they are. It's, it's, it's, it's so again, you know, the, the, the thing that I can tell everybody is, y', all, you're going to have to find a way to divorce yourself from the culture and the world. The Bible says love not the world neither the things that are in it. You can use the world, you can enjoy it, you can enlike it, you can even like it, but you can't love it. Love is only for God and God alone. He said, love the Lord your God with all your soul, all your mind and all your strength and all your heart. That's full intensity. The Lord gave me a vision and like, you know, he can open up refrigerator and see how much food is in there. God can. God can open you up and see how much love you have for him. There was a lady in the church service, and she said, jesus appeared in the church service and was walking up and down the aisles, and he was walking amongst the people without interrupting him. He would walk in front of you. He would stand in front of you, and your heart would open up. And he could. He could see in your heart if the song that you were singing to him you really meant or if you were just singing it because that's what you're supposed to do it.
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Ezekiel
Oh, no.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah, It's. It's. Yeah. That's why I stopped the worship for a moment at our church. I just stopped it. And I said, lord, I need to make some things clear. Then he made it clear, you know, and then one of the things he told me, he said, before you institute it, tell the people this scripture. And the scripture he had me way. Had me read is the one that says, away with your noisy hymns of praise. Away with your instruments that play. He said, I don't want to hear what he said. He said, away, he said, with your solemn assemblies that we call church services. And he said, away with your offerings, even your special ones, he said, because I would like to see an endless river of holy living and justice. So imagine all these churches singing to the Lord. He got to sit up there with us trying to hear this mess. I don't like to hear music through corrupt people. Same way you won't drink water when they bring it out to you if it's in viewer. But see deep. So the Lord gives. See, the deep is in the simplicity, not in the deep.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And so the Holy Spirit will say now, so let me get this right. You won't drink a glass of water that's not pure, but you want us to accept you living impure. That's what you're telling me? Doesn't work that way, son. Doesn't work that way. Everything is about. That's why the Bible said, blessed are those that wash their robes. What it means, blessed are those that get sin out of their life. Blessed are those that wash their robes. Oh, Lord, have mercy. And so. And that's. Let me tell you something. At the level that I'm on, when you keep going to these different levels, each level actually shows you more of what you need to get on top of. Straight up. Not for not to be deep. Straight up untouchable.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You know, you ain't nobody. You know, TDJ said you had the mall with three bodyguards who was trying to kill you students cracked Me up. You, You. You've been to my church, man. So. So I tend to. I'm a shorter man. But I. If you notice, all of these guys in my church are. Man, I got some polos.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
When I say I got some real polos, especially my security team. Yes. But they, but they stand around. They don't stop the people from talking to me.
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Ezekiel
Right.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
They're there to make everyone feel safe. So I have, I have security team on the inside of the building and we have real police officers in their police cars in the parking lot. They give a precedence that this is a well protected place, but not from my own people. Wow. I. I walk. My wife and I walk amongst the people. Our security, they walk with us and. But they don't block people move out the way the pastor is coming through and all of that type of stuff. You ain't that important. That ain't what Jesus. Jesus did. He didn't have no security team. He was bigger than you, batter than you, more powerful than you, and attacked more than you. Maybe you worried about your life because. Never mind. But anyway, so yeah, we walked through there and. And so recently somebody. They compared our church to a couple of other bigger churches and that was one of the things they noticed. I said, your pastor walks amongst the people because he's not afraid of them.
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Ezekiel
Wow. He.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
He watches me when I walk through the hallway. Can't talk to everybody when I'm walking through the hallway. I mean, it's a sea of people. And every once in a while, first time visitor, hey, man, I came from out of town. It don't take, you know, it's nothing for me to spend 20, 30 seconds just to greet him for a second. Wow. I'm constantly walking up the highway giving people high fives. Don't even know who they are. Just giving them high fives. It makes people feel seen. That's why people say about our church, when you go to Lionheart Church, you feel seen. Not by the pastor, by everybody.
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Ezekiel
That's good.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And versus her to cattle, you know, so you can preach all day, but people never forget how you make them feel. So, you know, I have to be totally honest with you, man. I don't know. I don't know where this is going in the world. What I do know is the fact that you see Donald Trump tussling with Iran. That's a major sign because that's what the angel told Daniel. What angel told Daniel? He said, I'm over. I fought with the Prince of Persia and then gave him a Timeline of what Persia, which is Iran, was going to do all the way to the end. There's even a spot where he said, this country is going to try to do something, but ships from the west will scare him off. Says that right in Daniel, chapter 12.
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Ezekiel
Oh, my good.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Well, who has ships from the West? I'm glad to be an American. That's who has ships from the West. Not too many people have ships, you know, I mean, how many times have we sent battleships. We got battleships over there right now from the west. Why? Holding Iran and others in check. See, so but again, the people can't see those scriptures and God the Holy Spirit won't allow you to see the revelation in those scriptures. Why, you won't even accept the revelation of living Holy grace is power not covering your sin. You don't even have a revelation of what the blood of Jesus means. And how when you plead it, part of the blood of Jesus comes down to protect. What, you pleading it over? Y' all still worried about witches? Not worried about no witch, which is insignificant to me.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
The cult is insignificant to me. But so. And so right now, the church is so infatuated with darkness. Oh, we gotta, you know, witchcraft attacks. Well, witches are attacking me. I don't know.
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Ezekiel
I love that. I love that.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Come on. Each time you see Jesus talking about some witches, we need to pray against the witches. He told the disciples, watch this, watch this. He didn't tell the disciples, go out there and raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, heal the sick, cast out demons, and be careful about the witches. He didn't. He didn't mention nothing about witches. Because when you operate in real power, witchcraft in the occult is insignificant. Flat out, period. I don't pray about witches. For what? They attacking you. Wonderful. I didn't know.
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Ezekiel
Let's go.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Job didn't know that Satan was attacked. Trying to get to him. He had a force field around him. In witchcraft to tell you that some Christians are seeing public and they see you standing in the pool of blood. They know untouchable others that say they see you stand in a pool of water. Untouchable others. You have a mark on your forehead. Untouchable. I see witches look at me all the time. And then when they look at me. Untouchable. I don't need to pray for what? Man? My. My spiritual dad. He and his team went to. They were traveling someplace and they went into a hotel room. When they walked into the hotel room, they walked into the hotel room and there was a figure there, some being Wearing a black robe with no face. He said, they all just, you know, of course that might stun you. Whoa. He said, they just stood there and the being just stared at him. And then the being spun around really fast. He spun around and went right through the window and turned into a vulture, Looked at him, screamed, and then flew off. Typical Christian. This is not the right hotel. We need to go get our money back. This is the devil. We don't play with the devil. Boom, boom. You know what a bishop told his team? He said, insignificant. Go to sleep. We don't let the devil determine when we pray. Wait. And today preachers don't have weight. Prophetic people don't have weight. They have church conferences, they don't have weight. They don't have the ability to walk into a room. And everybody that's connected, Satan is on pause. Cuz this one man just walked into a room of 30 witches. And they all realize weight just walked in the room. Be careful that you don't expose yourself. Weight. Praying in tongues produces weight. That's why Satan doesn't want you to pray in tongues, cuz he knows it produces weight over him. Spending time in the world produces weight. Living holy produces weight. Walking in humility and meekness and not me using my title to think I'm better than somebody. And y' all carry me into the sanctuary. And a chair produces weight. In order to be heavyweight, you got to be a lightweight. Oh, when I gotta go to a. Unless times, I don't know. So I'm. We sitting up here. We'd be up here five hours. Yeah, I'm good. You know, every time I meet with Oyedepo, he asked me, how's everything going? I said, man, this is crazy. Everything is working. Everything is working. And one time I told him that. And he'll celebrate for one moment. And then he told me this. He said, stay small. He said over and over, stay small, stay small. He said the key to getting big is staying small. He said, you have many ministries in America. He said, they think they're big because of their size, but they're actually small. He said, remember, no matter how big you get, stay small, he said, because God is getting ready to take you someplace, he said, that makes big look small. So you got to stay small, see? But say that's why, you know, it's, it's, it's, you know, I wish I could take every pastor in America to see what I see overseas. And this is no disrespect to any pastors, including me. You can take the top 20 churches in America. The top 20, top 20. Their numbers, their weight, their finances, their manifestation, their salvations. The top 20 churches in the United States, they don't equal 10% together of this one church that my dad pastors, not 10%. Wait, wait. Every weekend, all of the ministers, they go out there with vats of oil poured around the church property and dare Satan to walk across it. Wait one some these group of fools came on the church property and stole church cars one time. UO said, oh, is that right? The church, if the cars are not returned in three days, all of those men will be dead. All three of them died. Wait, I'm sorry. Two of them died. The third one came back and got saved and told the testimony about how the other two died. One was sitting in front of a tree and just slumped over dead. Wait, too many birds flying in the sanctuary. If another bird flies in here, all of them die. All of a sudden, our birds on the ground dead. Wait, but what did Paul do? Oh, you trying to stop this guy from getting saved. In scripture, blindness will be on you for a season to teach you not to fool with people that got way. So I said, we the only church. We hope the witches come and attack us. We wish they would. We open. We hope 30 million of them show up at one time. You're still going to need more men. Wait, 30 million witches? 30 million witches weigh less than one man of God. That's clean. Wait,
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Ezekiel
straight up, straight up, straight up.
- [125:55]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So I'm with men, I'm not with men to do conferences and, and like titles and entitlement and all of that type of stuff. I'm with men. They got raw weight.
- [126:05]
Ezekiel
So that's why I really love you. Unfortunately, we put out the we need to heal information and in six hours was maxed out. Lord told me to make it free. And everybody was reached. But even just reaching you, I mean, the fact that I could just call you and you could call me and I'm like, hey, this is what's happening. I don't have to do an extended. Like, I know what. I know this. The, the gospel Christian industry. I know what it's like. I've been a part of it as an artist and different things like that. And I don't. I just so appreciate how accessible that you've made yourself and how it's not about the stuff. Like when I talk to you, you just like, hey, look, anytime you want me to come through and I. It's never about. I mean, the fact that you're even here, I'm like, hey, where's the entourage?
- [126:51]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It was just me. No security, no driver. I don't need one. I got a nice car. I like driving it. Well, watch this. You ready for this? You ever notice that Jesus didn't make people come to him? He went to them and he had to walk. He was not so entitled. Make everyone come to me. I'm the son of God.
- [127:11]
Ezekiel
And he had the right.
- [127:12]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And he had the right. He said, oh, they need help. Okay, Zacchaeus. Okay, I'll come to your house and eat. Oh, you got a servant girl that's dead. Okay, I'll come. You need to be healed. Okay, I'll come. I'll come. I'll come.
- [127:22]
Ezekiel
Can you believe that?
- [127:24]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah. That's why Jesus again. Did Jesus ever say, follow me because I walk in one power? No. Follow me because I'm the son of God. No. Follow me because I'm perfect. No. He said, follow me because I'm meek and lowly. That's what Jesus said. So I talk very arrogant on screen because I know I'm dealing with darkness. I'm going to deal with knuckleheads who think that they know more than us. They have no manifestation whatsoever. They have no fruit. They don't even know Jesus. But they an expert about what me and you should do. What they can't even make. Put a smile on their wife's. On their wife's face. They can't even pay their bills on time. They live from paycheck to paycheck. But they're experts about what you and I do. So I talk very arrogant on here, but when you see him on the street, everybody says, oh, this is a very. A very simple man. I can't go anywhere without being recognized. And. And. But I just talk to people. I'm a regular man. And guess what? Guess what? At any time, somebody out there, and that's like me. Could shoot me. That's just the reality of it. Just don't care. Because guess what? As long as I'm doing the will of the Lord, he needs me. Oedipo taught me that. He said, when you're doing what the Lord wants you to do, you get extra bodyguards because he needs you alive because you're doing his will. Other guys, well, if y' all die, so be it. Y' all ain't doing nothing for us no way. Except for having conferences. I'm not against conferences.
- [128:36]
Ezekiel
I'm not. Again.
- [128:37]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
But we gotta stop with this. I got. You know what I got regularly Convicted on. I was reading the scripture the other day, and I got convicted on it, that one scripture. And I didn't read any more of the Bible that day. I just stayed stuck. It was simple, go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. And I realized that the Lord was telling me, now is the time for you to create a ministerial association in your own church and start sending people out into the world. I got a guy at my church, Robert, and another guy, black guy, white guy, and they're really, really good friends, Somebody like two hours away.
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Ezekiel
He.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
He is. He's in a particular physical condition where he can't get to the church. And so. So just like Cornelis, he reached out to them. He said, hey, would y' all mind coming to my house and baptizing me and preaching the gospel? And they say, yeah. And so Robert, he has a. He has his own baptismal pool. And these two guys going to drive out there together, okay? And they're going to drive out together, put up this baptismal pool. And the man said, I'm going to have all my family members and friends here waiting. They going out, watch this. Had the nerve to ask me for permission. For what? Well, we're going out in the name of line. Her church? Yeah. And what? Bingo. I said. I said, y' all video it, and anything that y' all need, just let me know. So imagine if the whole church was doing that. But we can't do that because the whole church exists to build up our name, to build the platforms for our ministry. You don't have one. I think the most valuable thing that Bishop O Unipo taught me was he said, you don't have a ministry, and you don't have a church. It all belongs to the Lord. So, man, let me tell you something. A pastor called me before I got here, and this is one. You know, I have a large network of pastors that are not mentor or something like over 200 now, something crazy. And he called me because he has an opportunity to get a building. He's having ministry in his garage. And he said, man, we got an opportunity to get this building. And, you know, he said, I don't know. He said, I can't really afford it. And I've asked the Lord, he said, my peace is not disrupted, but I also don't have a green light. And he said, you know, and, you know, this is a pretty good deal. It's been vacant for four years, and, you know, something like $2,500 a month. Boom, boom. And. And I was Able to share this with him. And it brought him great priests. And I shared him the testimony with my spiritual dad, Oyedepo. Oyedepo. The current sanctuary that he's building is about 50% larger than a Mercedes Benz Stadium.
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Ezekiel
Is about what?
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
50% larger than the Mercedes Benz Stadium. It has 1200 bathrooms and 126 escalators. The Americans are putting on the roof. I believe the Japanese are doing the elevators. And I think the Italians are.
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Ezekiel
Oh, he's building a new place.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah, It'll be done sometimes this year or next year. It's the. It's by far the largest thing in planet Earth.
- [131:35]
Ezekiel
Bigger than any stadium.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It is the largest stadium in planet Earth. Technically. It could seat 170,000. Technically. And they so crazy went over there. They said, y' all think this is the last one? They said, when we finish this one, we'll be on to the next. Two of his spiritual sons in each, a built 100,000 seater. The six. And having six services a Sunday, I believe. And then a BMA is another guy. In Nigeria, he built a sanctuary called the Hand of God. It's a sanctuary in the shape of a hand. And each finger holds 30,000 people with his own children's church. They're killing it. Destroying Satan on every side. But if they walked in this room, you wouldn't know they were pastors because they carried themselves very low. Over here, pastor got five members. He need three bodyguards and an entourage and somebody to hold his Bible. And got the nerve to call him an armor bear. It's no such thing as an armor bear. No such thing. They got it from scripture. An armor bearer. In the Old Testament, when a king went to war, he could not carry his battle axe and his hammer and his several different type of swords and his spiked machine. He couldn't carry all that at the same time. So you had armor bearers that brought the weapons and carried them for you so that as you fought, you could have. Ask them, hand me my sword.
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Ezekiel
Wow.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Hand me my. Now how did that turn into you carrying my Bible and then call him an air bar? Now, that's assistant it. That's the secretary. I got two hands. I can carry my own Bible.
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Ezekiel
They're not gonna like this one.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
That's okay. But that. But they don't have the results I have either. That's pride. And God resists the pride. He gives power to the humble. Carry yourself like a regular man. I don't read nothing about Jesus. Had the disciples carrying his stuff. Everybody. Well, this is the Modern age. That's your problem. Anyway, what was I saying before that, man? You're talking about what we talking about.
- [133:20]
Ezekiel
We're talking about a uniform. We're talking about different things.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Oh yeah, Valuable lesson I got off track. Yeah, so. Oh yeah. So this sanctuary probably cost three to $400 million American. So he went to the Lord and said, lord, we can build the sanctuary several times and we're ready. We could easily do it debt free. Most people, if they can do something debt free, won't check in with the Lord. Oh, because. Because they own it?
- [133:48]
Ezekiel
Because they can.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Just because you got the money to build the debt free doesn't mean you should do it. You're supposed to check in with the owner because it's his money, not yours. Lord, we can build this 170,000 sanctuary. He decided to use underpark for car parks. So I think it's down like 130, 140 now. But we can build it. Lord didn't say nothing. He went back to the Lord a second time. We ready to build this sanctuary. We can do it completely debt free without sweating the way somebody would buy a loaf of bread in America. Guess what? Lord said, don't say nothing to me about that building. Now mind you, a UniPro was having five services a Sunday packed. He needs the room and he still does. The Lord said, don't say nothing else to me about that building. And the Lord didn't say nothing to him for three years. It's a very valuable lesson for leaders. And that is God is not interested in your problem. He's interested in your obedience. Because you have a growth problem doesn't mean you're supposed to get another building because it's not your building. That's crazy. It is crazy. So I shared that with the man. I said, if. If you ask God a direct question about his ministry and he didn't answer. Silence does not mean go. Silence means wait.
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Ezekiel
Oh, hey, if I didn't hear nothing today.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Oh, watch this. If I email, if I'm the manager of McDonald's and I email the CEO a question about making some adjustments at the store, if he does not answer me, does that mean move forward or does that mean wait until you hear from the CEO? It means wait until you hear from the CEO. So the reason why my stuff is working so flawlessly is because I don't make a move until the Lord makes it clear why I don't have a building. That's a five million dollar building. It, it's the Lord's $5 million building. I don't have no ties and offerings. That's his money. I don't have a ministry. What do I have the Lord did not give me?
- [135:37]
Ezekiel
That's it.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
See? And so that's the difference between the. The cultural preacher and the Holy Ghost preacher. The cultural preacher is building his ministry. The Holy Ghost preacher recognizes he doesn't have one. He's running something for the CEO. That's right. And all managers are supposed to. I work at Chick Fil A. And then I wake up one day and decided, you know what? There's too much chicken up in this piece. We need to start offering steak sandwiches. Am I allowed to offer steak Sandwiches without the CEO's permission? No. You check in with the CEO. Can we do steak sandwiches? No. It's a reason why it's called Chick Fil A. Okay? And if you obey what the CEO says, then you keep your job and he keeps on blessing you, and you might give him a promotion. See? So most pastors are running their own church. Bless you. That's the crazy thing. Most pastors don't even know it.
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Ezekiel
It's not your church.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's not the church they run in their own church. That's why it's not working correctly. So guess what? And guess what. Whenever. This is our last thing. Whenever you are running something for someone else, they are always going to give you instructions that you don't like. Always. So, Lord, how would you remind me to run this? It. It belongs to you. So how do you want it run? And. And I even canceled midweek service. I canceled midweek service. And I told the Lord, I'm not even reinstituting midweek service. That's nowhere in the Bible. Nothing wrong with a midweek service. But everybody doing a midweek service. Why? Because everybody does a midweek service. So I canceled it. I said, I'm not doing nothing until you show me what to do. He didn't say nothing to me for a whole year. So I didn't do nothing for a whole year. And then when he starts speaking, he starts showing me stuff that nobody does. That's why it works 100%. How you going to stop the service? And before you preach, you do an altar call for people that want to speak in tongues and send them into another room. And then you go into the sermon. I never forget when the Holy Spirit told me to do that. I said, what about my sermon? He said, they can hear your sermon another day. What's more important? He said, your sermon or my spirit? That's what he told me, unorthodox, but 100 results. Because when you. And this is what I told this, this man of God. I said, last one. I gave him another testimony. I gave him a unipose and I gave him a friend of mine. We were at this meeting between police officers and clergy. This young man, he didn't know us. He walked up to us, he said, hey man, I'm getting ready to start this church. It was something crazy like 1, 2, 3, church. You know, they just. And he said, this is what he said. He said, so this the name of the church? He said, what do y' all think? Guess what I said? I said, the fact that you asking me proves you didn't hear from God. Cuz no man hears from God and questions a man about nothing. He said, I need to talk to you. Said, okay, cool. So I told him, I said, if it's the Lord's ministry, don't you think he got enough sense to give you the name of his ministry? So taught him about that. Taught him about the gift of tongues. Came to my service. First time he was at my church service, praying in tongues. The Holy Ghost spoke to him from above and said, get rid of that little raggedy name you came up with. He said, the real name of the church is called Revive Church. And when the Lord gave him the name, he didn't question a man. You know why? Faith does come from hearing the word. But more importantly, faith comes from hearing directly from God. When God speaks to you directly, you will not ask a man anything, regardless to what he told you. So when he sent me in that building and told me, do the church services on Saturday, Saturdays. Yep, Saturdays. And so pastors would stop by over the years. They said, sir, we can't get nobody to come on Sundays. And you packed on Saturdays. How do you make it work? I said, I don't know. You gotta ask the Lord. He told me to do it.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So it works. So always remember this. God will always tell you to do something that don't works. And when you obey it, he'll make it work because you obeyed him. They don't know that. They don't know that. Right now building ministry is about color schemes and the right this and the right that. And you know, I saw a post today, God bless his soul. You know, I saw a post to know. These are the five. No, these are the four books that you must read. No, watch. Listen to this, listen to this. These are the four non Christian books you have to read in order to have Successful ministry. So let me get this right.
- [139:51]
Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You're trying to tell me that I can't have successful ministry unless I read four books from individuals that have nothing to do with Christianity? I'm good with that, dog.
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Ezekiel
That's crazy.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
That is crazy. But that's the culture. That's because they sat. They put the Holy Ghost in a locker and can't find him. And so since they can't find him, they don't know how to do ministry. So now we got to build it on gimmicks. Now we got to listen to the world to build God's business. Yeah, y' all go ahead with that.
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Ezekiel
It's his church, his ministry, his people, his power.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's his ministry. So you must use his power to empower his ministry. But you don't like his power.
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Ezekiel
You want to deny the power thereof.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah. Form of godliness, form of godless form, Church services form, but no real power. Remember what Paul said? Both. Both Moses and Paul had speaking problems. Moses stuttered really bad. And remember what they said about Paul? Remember what Paul said? He said, he wrote a letter. He said, I heard y' all talking about me and how, you know, my speech is not that good and my talking is not that well. And then he said this. He said, but when I show up, he said, we'll see who walks in power. He said, because the kingdom of God is not based on what you're talking about. It's about power. And right now, everybody is talking while the body of Christ is demon possessed, sick, don't know how to pray. And so they turn on the AI to get deliverance. Because you ain't taught them a thing about the relationship with a ghost that's holy, that gives you power and a language that bypasses physical law and Satan. Y' all rather have church services. I'm good with that. So people cuss me out and they persecuting me and all that type of stuff, you know? And all they're doing is making more and more people show up. I have a growth problem that will. I have a growth problem that will do nothing but get worse until Jesus comes back. Because there's nothing else in the scripture for me to do.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's nothing in there fast. There's nothing else for me to do. I'm doing everything in scripture. And then you wonder why the Lord is sending me 300 people a week. You know why? Because he wants them to receive what he wanted them to have, not what you want them to have. He wants them to have tongues. He wants them to have power. He wants them to have holiness. He wants them to have the raw word of God. He wants them to tell them, you need to read your Bible every single day so you can foster a relationship with your heavenly father. So if I tell them the truth, he's going to send people to hear the truth, not your McDonald's sandwich.
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Ezekiel
Listen, listen. I told y'. All. I told y', all we better stop
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
because I'm starting to go there now.
- [142:23]
Ezekiel
I told y'.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
All.
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Ezekiel
I told y'. All. I told y'. All. And I just can't. I cannot wait for next time because it's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It's gonna be crazy. It's the conference.
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Ezekiel
That's what's gonna be the conference I'm looking forward to. Because in the room I just believe. And I just spoke to the intercessory team and I said, the Lord is saying that this time the area that we're holding the conference, the Lord has already began to arrest the principalities of that. That location. And there's going to be supernatural ease as it relates to the. The demons and the transformation and deliverance that's going to go forth.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I was like, just.
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Ezekiel
We're not tussling this time. Just.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Well, the. The. The church that you're having it at with Miles and Delena Rutherford.
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Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I mean, they keep that area locked down just by their character and their prayer and their deliverance and all of that type of stuff. So to have. So that's very strategic. You asked the doctor lesson to remember is that depending on where you have the conference will determine the level of prayer and warfare you have to deal with. But. But over there, you ain't have to. You. If anything, you're gonna have to push back where people are coming from. You ain't gonna have to push back nothing. With Miles church.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You can already push back stuff.
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Ezekiel
That's right.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Already keeping the devil.
- [143:36]
Ezekiel
That's right.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And so. But then to have that and the type of people that you're having coming, if all I do is the tongues part, that'll just be.
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Ezekiel
I'm so out.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
We might have to cut it out. Because people are gonna be like, please now. But I think it's wise, like you said, even if we do it, like, after something dismisses.
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Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And they take break and the people is really hungry, you going to fast. You're about to get this.
- [143:58]
Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And. And. But then I might encourage if there are some leaders in here. You want to see how simple this is?
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Ezekiel
Oh, that's good.
- [144:06]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I got a professional football player that's in our training class because he want to get his whole team filled. It's just going in all the world. See? So, see, the reason we can't touch the world is because you have not even embraced what you're supposed to have, let alone teach it to other people. The people that do healing at my church, these people, not ministers. The people that get people filled with the Holy Spirit, that team, they're not ministers. Ain't none of them been to Bible school. None of them people that do deliverance, none of them been to Bible school. In the Scripture, it says, these signs shall follow them that believe. So all you need is a little bit of training, a little bit of mentorship.
- [144:42]
Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Jesus did it. Jesus disciples didn't go to Bible school. Their Bible school. Jesus said, watch me for a few days. Y' all got it? No, man, we don't got it. You want us to raise the dead? Yep. Going out there and then tell me what happens if it doesn't happen. So they came back, Lord, it didn't work. He said, that's because your unbelief. He said, but this type of demon does come out because of fasting. It's just crazy. But it's crazy what Jesus asked street guys to do in a moment that we can't get guys to do. That's been the bible school for five years.
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Ezekiel
10.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah. I can feel the righteousness raging against me right now.
- [145:16]
Ezekiel
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [145:18]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
We all right. I'm in the company of Jesus. Don't never mess with a man that gets results. You can't talk him out of it because he already gets results. Dude, we had a 2000 because we were moving too slow. We had a 2000 person waiting list for tongues. Do you know that right now on Zoom, every week we get 4 to 500 people a week on Zoom receiving the gift of tongues, praying in tongues on a Zoom call. That's not counting what's happening in the house. If you're going to take over, if you're going to take over what has happened in America, you have to become a Christian virus. And the only way for you to become a Christian virus is to get the Holy Ghost in as many people as you can to get them to praying, to maybe slow this down and manipulate it. I don't know. But I'm doing my best, man.
- [146:08]
Ezekiel
If you could pray for those that are watching, man, I'm just excited for what God is doing man at Lionheart, doing through you. And in this conversation, I think this is just going to go far and wide like this. It's time. It's just. It's so.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Sometimes as soon as they see it, they. Oh, here these two. Here these two fools go again. Let's see what craziness they. Hey, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. We will deal with the persecution to save those who want to be saved.
- [146:34]
Ezekiel
Absolutely.
- [146:35]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Because. Because when I. Ezekiel, when I tell you. See, all we doing is. All we're doing is one man plants and another man walk. Absolutely, that's all we're doing.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
But when I tell you the amount of people that have visited and have come and joined our church and will tell us with tears in their eyes, we have rededicated our lives back to Jesus. That's all that matters because of what we heard on that thing. See, so even if it was one, I can deal with the voice of 10 million because the Bible says all of heaven rejoices over.
- [147:08]
Ezekiel
Thank you, Jesus.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I want you. I mean, when I tell you, man, we've had people because we talk to the first time visitors. I might have to stop that in the future because it's getting overwhelming. We talk to the first time visitors after every service and. And that ends up being sometimes like an hour and a half because how many are there? Because then they want to shake her hand, they want to breathe, take a picture. And when I tell you, these people, I mean, we've had a couple of ladies that. That they walked up and start hyperventilating, literally, because they could not get out the appreciation for hearing the truth on something like this. Just the truth. We don't care what nobody else think. No one to think at this point.
- [147:45]
Ezekiel
At this point, it just don't matter. No, not at all. Please, not at all.
- [147:49]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And I'mma tell her whether I was getting a result or not, you know, I'm going until y' all show me scripturally, you know, people just talking about what they believe. Yeah, I'm telling you what. I don't tell you what I believe. I'm telling you what's in the word. Jesus made a very strong statement. And then you let me know if you got to go, because we got to go. Jesus. Jesus made a very strong statement. He said when a dem. Listen to this. See, these are formulas. He said, when a demon is cast out of someone, it goes to a desert place. He didn't say. He didn't say, let me give you the Explanation of one type of deal. He said, this is what they do. They go to a dry place, then they come back. If they can get back in. Before he goes back in, he waits. And then he said this. He goes and gets seven other demons more wicked. He's telling you on top of Revelation, he's letting you know that if one kick gets kicked out, if he can get back in, he goes and gets seven more. He didn't say he goes and gets some more. He goes and gets seven more. That's a formula. He goes and gets seven more. Exactly seven. Then he said they all go back in and then that person is worse off from before. Why does he go and get seven? Because one plus seven is eight and eight is the number of new beginnings. These are formulas of the Spirit that we don't know about. But then he's. This is what he said. After that, he said, that'll be the testimony of the last day generation. Stop. You cast out demons all day, every day? Yes. Disciples cast them out all day, every day? Yes. And you just sat up here and told me that in the last days that it is going to be worse and this is going to be situation. He said, yes, you're going to cast demons out of people, but after they're cast out, they won't live. Right.
- [149:26]
Ezekiel
Oh, my God.
- [149:26]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
They won't be holy. They gonna go back to the same sin and the same music that let the demon in in the first place. So when that demon leaves, he's gonna come back. He says, oh, yeah, you cast me out, but now I can get back in. So in order to strengthen myself, I need to go get seven guys that are stronger than me and we'll go back in and start again. Because eight is the number of new beginnings doesn't mean you can't cast them out. It's just that left in check, boom. And he said, that'll be the testimony of this last day generation. No, but you fools say that we're not supposed to cast demons out. You fools say that Jesus was wrong and they don't exist. That's what y' all say. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the king and not the slaves. Hey, yeah. See, I'm a very dangerous man. When I start talking about darkness. When I start talking about darkness, I get very, very arrogant. But, you know, but when people see on the street, they. They don't want to approach me because they see the guy in the pulpit. Yes, but. But that's how Jesus was. I mean, Jesus was crazy. He was a straight Line. You know what I'm saying?
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
So.
- [150:20]
Ezekiel
But.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Yeah, so we shall see. We shall see. You know, because of the time that we are in and the technology and the medium of social media, God can use one man to be, like a hundred.
- [150:34]
Ezekiel
Wow. Yeah. That's what's happening.
- [150:36]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I mean, you. Your platform is reaching people as though it was a thousand men. Because you're reaching people, man. I. Dude, we didn't have people from other countries.
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Ezekiel
Oh.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I'm here because of the Ezekiel podcast. See? So. So. So you. So it's not gonna be a whole bunch? Because you don't need a whole bunch. I just need a few. So he's going to have a few. And there are others that we don't know that are doing the real world.
- [151:01]
Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And when I name drop, it's because at this moment, I believe in these people.
- [151:05]
Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
The people I don't believe in, I never mention their name. Individuals that are the most attacked are the ones that are talking about you being the most clean. I never met Philip Anthony, but it's obvious that he preaches repentance. Yes. He teaches holiness.
- [151:20]
Ezekiel
Yes.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Okay, come on. Talk to Marcus Rogers.
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Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Marcus Rogers is telling y', all, y' all better start living right. Y' all attack him like he. Like, y' all attack him like this man is the plague. All the man is telling you the man is trying to help you get into heaven. They're trying. They keep trying to call Tiffany Montgomery or witch. Yeah. That's the same thing they accuse Jesus of. Anytime you tell people to start leaving the occult alone, the occult tries to raise up people to say that you the occult. That's why they talk about Tiffany Montgomery. All she telling you to do is live right. All she telling you is the music that you're listening to is corrupting you. All she telling you is that you took an oath with these little silly sororities and fraternities and that it's an open door to corruption. You and bring a curse into your life that might not show up until you have children. All she trying to do is save your life on this side and the hereafter. But you listen to these other YouTube preachers who have a microphone and no manifestation tell you that she is a witch and that she is crazy.
- [152:11]
Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Okay, Y' all might think she crazy, but she know you cursed, so. So I hate to say this, and some people might think this is bragados. Yeah. I'm the dude that's going to protect all of the people that's trying to do it right. I am that lion that can protect everybody. So when I see people attacking Tiffany Montgomery, if I see you attacking Philip Anthony, if I see you attacking Miles and Delanda Rutherford, if I see you attacking Marcus Rogers and the other individuals that stand for holiness. Yeah, you don't want me to speak because I'll kill all y' all at the same time. My ministry was raised up that way to be a protector of individuals, especially women like Tiffany Montgomery. Now, she don't need my protection. I'm sure she hold her own. Yes. You know, but. But when I. When I make certain statements, when I see. She'll make certain things, and then these preachers will get on a YouTube channel and discuss how she wrong. No, she not wrong. You just ignorant. Because if I put you in the. If I put you in a room and Tiffany in a room with a demon, I'm pretty sure you the man. You gonna run out, and the woman will still be in there. Now, Tiffany crazy. I mean, it's okay. Marcus crazy. Because I'm crazy, You know, But Tiffany is a prophet. You know, I'm a pastor, so I'm more of a coddler, you know? Come on, babies. Do the right thing. You don't want to go to hell.
- [153:27]
Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You know, I just got Satan off of you and all that type of stuff.
- [153:30]
Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Tiffany a prophet. Prophets don't care nothing about. You think they swing a sword and you bleeding. Okay, you go to the doctor. Okay, so. But. But if the prophets and the pastors work together, but most pastors don't like prophets, because prophets can see. And if you're not living right, they can see that you're not living right. Yeah. I don't have a prophecy because you can look at me all you want to. You ain't gonna see nothing. Remember what Jesus said? Satan is coming, but he'll find nothing in me. You gonna find nothing in me. You can talk to Satan about that.
- [153:57]
Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
You ain't gonna find nothing.
- [153:59]
Ezekiel
No.
- [154:00]
Pastor Oltha Turnbull
No. Of course, there are still areas where I have to work on different things like that. And I'm growing. There's still. There are times when the Holy Spirit would tell me. Matter of fact, I said something in the pull pit. I said something in the pulpit, I think, two weeks ago.
- [154:13]
Ezekiel
Yeah.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
And. And the next day, the Holy Spirit said, not only did I not like what you said, I didn't like what you were thinking about when you said it, because it was all pride. I just went back. I just. Me and my crazy self. I went back and told the congregation. That's how I keep myself low. I ain't nobody. God chose to use me. That's good enough. I don't need to make a name for myself. I don't none of that. He decided to use me and that in and of itself. And how he has blessed me and how he has allowed me to touch mankind and have the greatest spiritual father ever. And my family and. And. And I'm prosperous. I'm doing well. What do I need to try to do to make it seem like I'm better than somebody when. If you remove. If you remove a quarter of what Jesus did for me, I ain't nobody. I was a security guard at an ice cream plant before I opened up Lionheart Church. Now I'm somebody because everybody flocking towards me. They ain't flocking towards me. They flocking because I teach Jesus. That's what they flocking to. Because I'm pointing them Jesus. I'm teaching them how to have a relationship with the Holy Ghost. I'm teaching you how to get in the Word. I'm teaching you that what I see. Want to know what I tell the people when the first time visitors. I said. I said on our books and resources page. It took my wife and I 30 years to accumulate this information. 30 years to accumulate all of these books to get us to this level. You now have access to it in one moment. So what it took us 30 years to get to. You could now get it in one. People not used to telling them. They're not used to pastor. They're not used to the pastor telling them. You do realize that you can do greater works than me. That's what Jesus told his disciples. They're not used to that. They think the pastor and everything, when actually you're supposed to be standing on his shoulders to become everything. That's why he's a slave. Let me stop God. As long as you were a slave, God will make you a king. As long as you a king in the future, you're going to be a slave. Most pastors going to be serving the people they were pastoring on the other side. Yeah. It's a book called the Vision by Rick Joyner. You can read that and he'll let you know. Rick Joyner got caught up to heaven. He was allowed to interview people. Number one category of people we talked to was pastors and ministers that lost their entire reward. Oh, they went to heaven, but they lost their reward. And all of them. It was because of how they treated people. Jesus said, let me get this right. This is my last statement that we can be out. Okay, let me get this right. Okay. I left my throne in glory for these people. I died for these people. I was murdered for these people. I was beat beyond recognition and then went to hell and suffered over three days, which you couldn't handle for three seconds. Oh. And then for these people that I died for, I then left, went to heaven and left them with gifts that you wouldn't develop. I then gave them the name of Jesus that you didn't teach them to use. I gave them the Holy Ghost. And you took that relationship away from them and replaced it with you instead. I wanted to speak to them in dreams that you didn't believe in. I wanted to get that monster out of them that kidnapped their soul. But you didn't believe the monsters exist.
- [157:10]
Ezekiel
My goodness.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
I trained them to be future kings because they are sons of God. They are kings. They are lords. They are ambassadors, more than conquerors saw of the earth, light of the world. That's who I died for them to became. And all you did was turn them into church members to give ties and offerings. Ah. And on that note, it's time to go to Burger King, where they tell you you can have it your way, but it's a lie because I want it free. Well, that's not what we really mean. We didn't. Don't I just say crazy stuff sometimes? So, I mean, it's. So that book, the Final Quest, I would say between the Final quest and the final question, I mean, the Vision by Rick Joyner and. And. And my mentoring from Oyedepo, that's what made me. I'm extremely grateful. But I asked the Lord, I said. I said, there's only one thing I asked the Lord. One thing I asked. I said, lord, I want to be in the position that no matter who you send to me, I have the right answer. That's where I am today. When I asked a question, asked him to do that, guess what the Holy Spirit said? He said, you'll never be comfortable for the rest of your life.
- [158:13]
Ezekiel
Whoa.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Because in order for me to put you in that position, I got to send you through some stuff. I got to work some stuff out of you. I got to even put you with the right leader so he can put what's in him in you so that you won't be crazy. And. And it's. And it really is just simple. It's just really simple. Do you think God is an expert, or do you think you an expert? Do you think the Bible is true or do you think it's outdated?
- [158:35]
Ezekiel
Come on.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Because most, most of the leaders, they acting like the Bible is outdated. That's why you've instituted new stuff. Yep. We don't need the Holy Ghost. Yep. I want you to think about this. We don't need the third part of the Trinity that the Bible says is the down payment for our inheritance that will bring anything to my remembrance. Tell me the truth about anything in the moment and show me the future. We don't need him. We just need another church conference. But let's pray. Father, in Jesus name. We thank you, Lord, for this session.
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Ezekiel
Thank you.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
With Ezekiel. And I thank you, Lord, for every person that is listening and will listen. Thank you, Lord God, that it will wake them up.
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Ezekiel
Thank you, Lord.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
It'll wake them up. So that at the very least they can begin to connect to you again, worship you again.
- [159:15]
Ezekiel
Thank you.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Get rid of their sin again. Spend time in the world again to get to know you again.
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Ezekiel
Yes, Lord.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
In the fullness of what you have called them to be.
- [159:23]
Ezekiel
Yes, God.
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Pastor Oltha Turnbull
Thank you, oh Lord God, that for every person that wants to hear the truth, I speak the peace of God. Into every address. I declare nothing missing or broken. Yes, Lord. You have not created us for ups and downs. You have only created us for ups and ups. Yes. So I declare that for every person that is listening as they release their faith, that their last failure is the last one that they will ever see. Thank you, oh Lord God, for the things that you are using Ezekiel and I to move into, to help millions of people to build up rewards so they can get everything that you have ordained for them to have. We thank you, O Lord God, for this. And we ask that you would bless this in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Amen.