The Most Important Conversation On Deliverance w/ Lana Savchuk

Summary

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We Need To Talk Podcast

Episode Title: The Most Important Conversation On Deliverance w/ Lana Savchuk
Date: June 6, 2026
Hosts: Ezekiel & Kiyanna
Guest: Lana Savchuk

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Episode Overview

This episode offers a deep exploration of deliverance, spiritual warfare, and the crucial difference between demonic oppression and mental strongholds in the Christian journey. Guest Lana Savchuk—author of "Change Your Mind" and wife of Pastor Vlad Savchuk—shares her personal testimony of entering deliverance, battling through darkness in her marriage and mind, and the life-changing process of renewing her mind according to biblical truth. The conversation balances raw storytelling with scriptural insights and practical applications for anyone struggling with similar issues.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Lana's Testimony: Trauma & Demonic Oppression

• Major Life Change as a Trigger:
  After marrying Vlad and relocating to a new city, Lana found herself isolated, without friends or family support—prime conditions, she notes, for the enemy’s attack.
  • "The devil is very evil, and he likes to take advantage of the lowest points of our lives." (04:55, Lana)
• Symptoms and Manifestations:
  Lana describes a rapid emotional and spiritual decline, including:
  • Depression, jealousy, hatred, self-doubt
  • Nightmares, sleep paralysis, demonic presence both by night and by day
  • Inability to worship at church (15:41)
  • "I was paralyzed even during the day... a heavy dark cloud is sitting on me and I cannot shake it off." (14:41, Lana)
• Isolation and mental torment led both her and Vlad to search for a solution, eventually discovering the ministry of deliverance.

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2. Recognizing Spiritual Oppression: Signs & Symptoms

• The hosts enumerate common signs of demonic influence:

  • Attacks during sleep: sex in dreams, sleep paralysis, nightmares
  • Seeing dead people, evil presence, eating in dreams
  • Deep depression, heavy emotions
  • Compulsive or obsessive behaviors, addiction, hostility toward deliverance (13:10)

• Lana identifies with “half of those things.” She emphasizes how impossible it feels to “snap out of it”—these are not issues solved by willpower or human effort.

  • "You can't pull yourself by the shoelaces to change anything. You need God's intervention." (15:41, Lana)

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3. Deliverance vs. Strongholds: Understanding the Difference

• Demons vs. Strongholds:
  • "Demons are entities... they must be cast out. Strongholds are mindsets, the lies we believe. It’s the fortified thinking against the truth of God." (26:14, Lana)
  • Deliverance addresses demonic oppression; breaking strongholds requires renewing the mind over time.
• How Strongholds Form:
  • Built gradually “brick by brick” as we accept lies from the enemy and experience trauma.
  • "Strongholds aren’t built independently by the enemy. They are built by the mortar of our agreement." (29:36, Ezekiel)
• Deliverance as a First Step:
  • "When I received prayer for deliverance, my hands were untied so I could fight for myself." (19:22, Lana)
  • True freedom necessitates both deliverance (casting demons out) AND the consistent, daily work of renewing the mind.

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4. The Process of Mind Renewal

• Persistence Required:
  Lana stresses that breaking strongholds is a slow process. It’s “one lie at a time, one stronghold at a time, one memory at a time” (42:32), requiring daily cooperation with the Holy Spirit.
  • “It was so painful…when you’ve spent years in a negative mindset…it’s tormenting to even think one positive thought.” (34:36, Lana)
  • She describes practical steps: reading scripture aloud daily, combating negative thoughts with biblical truth, and allowing God to “peel one layer at a time.”
• Responsibility:
  • "It’s our responsibility... Deliverance unties your hands and gives you a chance for a fight. God gives you the sword of the spirit to fight, which is His word." (32:36, Lana)
• Garden Analogy:
  • Kill the snakes (demons), uproot weeds (lies), plant seeds (God’s word)—all require intentional effort (62:22).

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5. The Battlefield of the Mind & the Role of Purpose

• Importance of the Mind:
  • “The Bible teaches us to have the mind of Christ. The devil is out for our mind because it’s the battlefield for him. Where our mind goes, our life follows.” (43:10, Lana)
  • The enemy’s attacks are rarely isolated; disrupting your mind/life also targets your marriage, ministry, and posterity (44:50).
• Why Be Set Free?:
  • Spiritual freedom isn’t just for comfort—it’s so we can fight for others and walk in our God-given assignment.
  • "Our freedom is not only for our sake. Our freedom is so we can go and fight as good soldiers of Christ." (47:18, Lana)

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6. Calling, Humility, and Practical Obedience

• Imposter Syndrome & False Humility:
  • Lana shares her struggle with confidence and accepting her calling.
  • “Lord, this is too much for me. This is too big for me. I’m not worthy of this. But that type of humility is not true humility. It’s false humility, and it insults God.” (50:05, Ezekiel)
• Obedience
  • We are called to agree with God’s assignment—“All we can do to be in humility is to be obedient.” (52:34, Ezekiel)
  • Lana: "You just have to say yes...it's not about you." (53:28)
  • She is motivated to use her story, her platform, and her writing for the freedom of others.

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7. Encouragement to Listeners: Hope, Endurance, and Practical Steps

• "You have to be willing to fight until the last breath, until the last day of your life, maybe not seeing your full freedom…I'm willing to waste my life fighting, than be a victim on the floor." (55:41, Lana)
• Hope for Deliverance:
  • “Don’t give up. God loves you so much. Don’t give up. He wants your freedom more than you even want your freedom.” (58:56, Lana)
• Maintaining Freedom:
  • Plan on purpose: after deliverance, daily work is required to “maintain your freedom”—just like tending a garden (63:17).
  • "If you're not planting on purpose, if you're not identifying each stronghold, dealing with it day by day, one by one, allowing God to take his time…having the will to get up and fight every day—this is the only way." (65:52, Ezekiel)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"For the first time in my life, I saw the real enemy—and it wasn’t me."
—Lana Savchuk (20:51)

"Strongholds aren’t built independently by the enemy. They can only be built by the mortar of our agreement."
—Ezekiel (29:36)

"Deliverance unties your hands and gives you a chance for a fight. God gives you the sword of the spirit to fight, which is His word—the Truth."
—Lana Savchuk (32:36)

"Are you willing to fight until your last breath?"
—Lana Savchuk (55:41)

"Our freedom is so we can go and fight as good soldiers of Christ."
—Lana Savchuk (47:18)

"We need to kill the snakes, uproot the weeds, and plant the seeds of God’s Word… and that's all work."
—Lana Savchuk (62:22)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–04:55 — Lana’s initial encounter with depression and demonic attack after marriage
• 13:10–15:41 — Signs of demonic influence, practical struggles in faith and worship
• 19:22 — Deliverance: “My hands were untied so I could fight for myself”
• 26:14–34:36 — Demons vs. strongholds; the dual process of deliverance and mind renewal
• 42:32–44:50 — One lie/memory at a time, the enemy’s multi-pronged attack
• 47:18–50:05 — Why freedom matters: for ourselves and for fighting for others
• 53:28–58:56 — Accepting God’s call, fighting for freedom, hope after circumstances seem hopeless
• 62:22–63:45 — Garden analogy, work required for freedom maintenance
• 65:52–68:58 — Closing encouragement and prayer for listeners

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Resources, Connections, and Next Steps

• Lana Savchuk’s Book: Change Your Mind
  Practical guide to deliverance and mind renewal
• Streaming & Contact:
  • Hungry Generation Church, Pasco, WA
  • Lana & Vlad Savchuk on YouTube and social media
• Freedom Guide:
  Hosts offer a free digital resource directory for those seeking further support in deliverance and discipleship (76:41)

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Final Takeaways

• Deliverance is both an act and a process: Demons can be cast out instantly, but mental strongholds require patience, truth, and daily discipline.
• Freedom is never just for your comfort; it is given for your calling, the benefit of others, and the fight for God’s kingdom.
• You are not the enemy—there is a real spiritual adversary, but with Christ, you have both deliverer and victory.
• Plant truth on purpose, fight on purpose, and refuse to quit.
  “Don’t give up—God loves you so much. Work with the Holy Spirit." (58:56, Lana)

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Connect with Lana Savchuk and Hungry Generation:

• Find more resources and stay tuned for further teaching by following the episode description links.

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“This is not a podcast, this is a deliverance ministry. God is going to deliver just as many, if not more, here than inside of church buildings.”
— Lana Savchuk (71:28)

Transcript

[Lana Savchuk]

And the things that lay dormant in my bloodline. It got triggered and I started to experience all these awful demonic things that were pursuing my life.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

When the enemy came to tempt Jesus, it was right before Jesus was about to begin his ministry. The enemy loves to show up during new seasons.

[Lana Savchuk]

I started to be depressed. I started to hate people. I started to become extremely jealous of my husband. I would see my husband with other women in my dreams.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

These are the following signs that you might have A demon attacks in your sleep. Sex and dreams. Sleep paralysis. Nightmares. Feeling an evil presence during sleep. Eating in dreams. Seeing dead people. Depression. Heaviness. Intense desires for defiled things.

[Lana Savchuk]

But half of the things that you read, I was experiencing them. When you need a space, spiritual solution. You can't pull yourself by the shoelaces to change anything. You need God's intervention. We need to look to Jesus because he's the only deliverer that we have. For the first time of my life, I saw the real enemy, and it wasn't me.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

I could end the episode right here.

[Lana Savchuk]

We love to say that deliverance is always for the desperate.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

You say that there's a difference between strongholds and demons.

[Lana Savchuk]

Demons are entities, strongholds. They are mindsets. The lies that we believe against God, the lies we believe about people, about yourself. It's the fortified thinking against the truth of God. They are built with time, and so they must be brought down with time, one break at a time. It's like a coin with two sides. One side is deliverance, removing demons out, and another side is breaking down mental strongholds.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

So not only are there thoughts, but the thoughts are now fortified. There are things that the enemy wants to convince us of, and there are things that we've accepted. So strongholds aren't built independently by the enemy. They can only be built by the mortar of our agreement.

[Lana Savchuk]

Even after I received my deliverance, I felt like I wasn't feeling fully free.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

People feel like they need to be delivered a hundred times.

[Lana Savchuk]

I don't think this is the deliverance issue anymore. This is now a stronghold that you need to renew your mind. It's our responsibility. When the Holy Spirit showed me deliverance, unties your hands and gives you a chance for a fight, and God gives you the sword of the spirit to fight, which is his word, the truth.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

I got chills. And the Lord reveals himself to me.

[Lana Savchuk]

This is not a podcast. This is a deliverance ministry. God is going to deliver just as many, if not more, here than he does inside of church buildings.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

You got to keep giving yourself over to it.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

It's proving it to you over and over.

[Lana Savchuk]

And the weightiness of your anointing. The Lord says thousands will be delivered.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Will you keep watching? Click the subscribe button. I'll wait. Nah, seriously, subscribe right now. Also like and share this video. The more you like, share, comment, and engage with this video, the more we're able to produce content just like this. And also we got this merch. Got this merch. The link is in description. If you want to support the channel, you can also donate. That's also in the description. The more you guys support, the more we're able to produce content just like this. Thank you again. Peace. I am so honored today to have my sister. She's all the way here from across the country. And if some of you recognize her face, is because she is the lovely wife of my good brother, Pastor Vlad Savchuk.

[Lana Savchuk]

Correct.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Okay. And I have here with me Lana Savchuk. Look. Welcome to the we need to talk podcast. You're so welcome.

[Lana Savchuk]

Thank you so much. I am really honored to be here, surprisingly. But I am here and I am super excited. Thank you.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

She doesn't even know how powerful she is, how anointed she is, and how necessary she is. I'm just going to ask for you, like, just. If you can just take us back, because I really want to talk about the book today. The name of the book is called change your mind. And in this book, we're just talking about how even the scripture keeps driving and directing believers to set their minds on things above, to fix our minds, because the battle and the war for our souls begins in our minds. So I want to talk about that. But before we get there, how does this book even tie into your life where what were the things that you had to battle with? What were the ways that the enemy tried to get your mind that allowed you to even come up with something like this?

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes, that's a very relevant and good question. I. When I married Vlad in 2010, I moved from where I was with my family, Vancouver, Washington, to Tri Cities, Washington. So. And something started to happen with me. I started to experience demonic oppression, severe nightmares, night paralysis. The nightmares affected my daily life. Not only night that I was tormented night after night, also it affected my emotions, and everything went just kind of down the hill. It affected our marriage. And back then, my husband was a youth pastor. And so when I married a youth pastor, I had to learn how to be a new wife. I had no family, no friends. It was a brand new city, brand new Church. And I had to. I felt like I had to start my life from zero. And the devil is very evil, and he likes to take advantage of the lowest points of our lives. And sometimes when we go through or experience trauma, acute trauma, or a change in the scenery, the devil takes advantage of that. So my natural. So it seems, circumstances that change the natural challenges in life that I started to experience, the devil took advantage of that, and they turned into demonic. And the things that lay dormant in my bloodline, it got triggered and I started to experience all of these awful demonic things that were pursuing my life. And it started then that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

First of all, no, you did not just start like this. Oh, my goodness. There was so much you said in that. So you said the Enemy likes to take advantage of the lowest parts of our lives and sometimes even abrupt changes in our lives. The body and the mind interprets it as trauma. And I've had these conversations before. The trauma acts like an open door in our lives because then it leads to anxiety, fear.

[Lana Savchuk]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

These triggers and all of these things. And the enemy is just. It shows the nature of the enemy. They always say in a fight, the type of person that wants to kick you when you're down is a coward. And that is the way the enemy is. When he tempted Jesus, he couldn't succeed. And the scripture says that he left to come back for a more opportune time.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Well, what was the opportune time? Originally? When Jesus was totally fasted. 40 days, 40 nights, hungry. And so he looks for that void. He looks for that opening. And so for you, you were in a situation where you're in a new circumstance. So you guys need to pay attention to this, because I. This is really, really powerful. You're in a new circumstance, in a new place. You don't have as many friends. You don't have as much support. I always find it very, very interesting that the Enemy loves to show up during new seasons. Why? Because spiritually, a new season is just like a newborn baby. It's, like, vulnerable.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

When anybody steps into a season and it's new, the enemy is like I just said, that's why when the Enemy came to tempt Jesus, it was right before Jesus was about to begin his ministry. So you're in the beginning of a marriage to a new man in a new place. You don't know. And the enemy looked at it and says, this is my time to infiltrate. So let me ask you this. Were you having these nightmares and these issues before this circumstance?

[Lana Savchuk]

I was not. No. I felt Like, I became a completely different person. I could not recognize myself. I'm talking about, like, I was the happiest person in the world. Very cheerful. Even. My husband was telling me, like, something totally changed. I started to be depressed. I started to hate people. Imagine that. And I was blaming myself. I was like, how can I be a Christian? The Lord have saved me, redeemed me. I love God so much. How can I let myself be like this? And I was always directing my attention to myself. And that's what the devil wanted me to do. He wanted me to see myself and blame God and myself. But of course, he has nothing to do with this situation. And so this how our first few years of marriage have begun.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

What were some specific things that were happening between you guys that were problematic? Well, because I'm sure you guys knew each other before you were actually married. So what was different between you guys courting and. And then you guys being married?

[Lana Savchuk]

There's a lot of things that changed. We did not date for a long time, which is a very normal in Slavic community. We dated for four months, and we were married. We were actually engaged. And then four more months and we were married. So. But the case was in the fact that I started to hate people. I started to become extremely jealous of my husband. And that was so hard for him. Like, I would be getting jealous for, like, nonsense things. And the things that I would see in the dreams, the nightmares, I would portray that in a daylight. I would see my husband with other women in the night, in my dreams. And then when the day comes, he would even. Even. Even if he would talk to someone, I would remember the dream and accuse him of things that. That would strain our relationship so much. And he also had to do a lot of growing because we didn't know how to navigate all of this. And we could not pinpoint on what was going on. We were not really exposed to the ministry of Deliverance and spiritual warfare as much back then.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Also, he wasn't all the way the Vlad that we know today.

[Lana Savchuk]

No, we went through this, and that's how we personally encountered all of that in the Deliverance ministry. Like, of course we were exposed. We knew of it, but we were not deep into it. We didn't know that much. So this was our personal encounter when it comes to deliverance and breaking down mental strongholds as well.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

So, yeah, let me say this. That's interesting. I did not know that. And that makes me think two things. One, the enemy saw a potential in you guys together and in his ministry. And in you that he wanted to kill immediately. Because the answer for y' all issues should not have been turning to the Lord. Not. Should not have been deliverance. It should have been a divorce. It should have been, there's something wrong with her. There's something wrong with him. We need to go our separate ways. That the enemy wanted to stop what God was trying to do, but instead, it's just like Joseph. He meant it for evil. But then the thing that the enemy thought was going to break you guys down and destroy you. Now God has used to now set other people free. Now you have a book teaching people.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

That is insane to me. Okay. So that's powerful. It's so much that I want to get into because we're talking about. You didn't know that as a believer, somebody who was joyful, somebody that didn't experience these things before, could walk into this stuff. Before we go too much further, there's a part of your book that says here are some signs that there might be some things happening that are demonically influenced in your life. I'm going to read some of those things off. Is that okay? Okay. You say this. It says, these are the following signs that you might have. A demon, he said, attacks in your sleep. Sex and dreams, sleep paralysis, nightmares, feeling an evil presence during sleep, eating in dreams, seeing dead people, snakes in a dream. All of these things. Negative emotions, depression, heaviness. This. Pay attention if you're listening. This is important. Intense desires for. For defiled things, Drugs, alcohol, tobacco, nicotine, being unable to tame your tongue, chronic lying, cursing, gossip, blasphemy, and you can't help it. Sexual perversion, strong urges for pornography, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual fantasies, involvement in New Age practices. All is this. So much compulsive behavior, extreme obsessive behavior, impulsive behavior, hostility towards deliverance and things of the spirit. I want to jump on that before we go talk about the rest in your life. Vlad is doing ministry. You're in basically a Christian home. Were you developing a hostility towards the things of God or towards your husband?

[Lana Savchuk]

Not particularly that, but half of the things that you read, I was experiencing them.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Like one.

[Lana Savchuk]

Like nightmares, paralysis, demonic presence, not only in the sleep. When I would come to church, I could not sing, I couldn't worship. I couldn't lift my hands, like something switched in me where I used to do those things. And now I felt like a heavy dark cloud is sitting on me and I cannot shake it off. I was paralyzed even during the day. Day at church and it was very hard because, like, my husband is a youth pastor, and here it is, here is his wife. She's behaving like a completely stranger to these things. And, like, it was challenging. So I was experiencing half of those demonic things, and a lot of it was. I could not control it. I couldn't.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Did you. Did you try to pray or did Vlad try to pray?

[Lana Savchuk]

So before we got exposed to the ministry of deliverance, we started to search for solution. We're like, what is going on with me? And I was obviously blaming myself for it and blaming Vlad, and he would blame me and try to pull me up and he, hey, shake it off. Snap out. What's going on? But, like, none of those, they really help. You know, when you need a spiritual solution, you can't pull yourself by the shoelaces to change anything. You need God's intervention to help you before you can start fighting for yourself, which is what happened to me. I needed someone to deliver me before I could start changing my mind and renewing my mind. I needed deliverance. I needed someone to come and rescue me. Just like in the story of Israelites and Moses, before they could receive deliverance, they needed a deliverer. They needed someone to come and deliver them before they can go through the process of the mind renewal and changing and all of that.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

Wow.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Let me ask you this, because this is going to be more of a challenging question. In the state of Christianity today, especially in the deliverance movements, many people look at the deliverer as a particular person who is gifted to destroy demons. They'll look at somebody like your husband. They look at many people that even I've had on this podcast, and they point and say, that is the deliverer. How do you teach and help redirect people to recognize who the true deliverer is?

[Lana Savchuk]

Right. God is the only one who can truly deliver us. But also God does. He does work through people. And when many times we see in the Bible deliverance came through a person. So it's not like we're looking to the person, oh, Pastor Vlad, deliver me. Like, you know, the bottom line, God is the one that's working through the person to deliver us. We need to look to Jesus because he's the only deliverer that we have. He's the only hope for our freedom and deliverance. But then we need to allow other people to minister deliverance to us. And that's what happened to me. I received a prayer for deliver when we started our spiritual journey to search for help for me, because I started to realize, like this is not normal. You know, the Holy Spirit is so good. He's so good. God loves us so much. Because I was crying out to him like the Israelites, they were crying out to God, and God heard their cry because they were his children. And this is how I felt. I identified with. With the Israelites from that story. I cried out to God, lord, help me. I don't know what to do anymore. And he brought me deliverance. I received a prayer for deliverance, and I felt like something changed. And so when I would not say that, when I received prayer for deliverance, everything changed. But I did feel like my hands were untied so I could fight now for myself.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Oh, man, I never heard it like that.

[Lana Savchuk]

Which before, when I was bound, I could not fight for myself. I needed someone's health. I needed someone's help, like a hand, you know, to help me to get up from that circumstance. And so when I started to be exposed to the teachings about deliverance, I felt like the Holy Spirit brought this revelation to me. And he's like, lana, you're not the horrible person that you are. Convinced yourself that you are so bad. It's all your fault. You are not per se. Yes, we are sinners, but it's not all that. There is an evil devil who is after you that wants your soul. He wants to destroy you. He wants to destroy your family. He wants to destroy your marriage. He wants to destroy your ministry, and he is after that. And God is not to blame, and the devil is not innocent. So when we got exposed to that, that revelation alone sparked a desire and hope that, oh, wow, something can actually change. And I. For the first time of my life, I saw the real enemy, and it wasn't me. I saw the devil, the evil, nasty devil who tormented me. And I started to look for deliverance.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

That was. You know, I could end the. I could end the episode right here. You said, for the first time, I saw the enemy, and it wasn't me. I think. I think deliverance has to begin there. If. If I'm the problem, then the enemy wants to convince me. That's. This is why we, you know, people sleep around. This is why people take drugs. Every time the enemy wants you to seek for an answer, he tells you something that's going to destroy your life. Use drugs, go get mad and go fight. Go do this. Go sleep around. Well, all these things destroy our bodies because the enemy has convinced us that we are the enemy.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And so you're saying that deliverance for you began with God? Opening your eyes to see clearly, to know, no, I'm loved, but the enemy hates me. And now my hands are free so that I can stand and I can fight for myself. There's a scripture where when Jesus finally brings Lazarus to life, he calls him out of the tomb. But he did something specifically he said right after he called him out the tomb, he tells the people, now loose him and let him go. He didn't tell Lazarus this. He told the people around him. He assigned Lazarus to people that were able to remove the things that bound his eyes, that bound his foot, that bound his face. And I think for us as believers, we need to recognize that we have a call when we see that people are bound. It's not for us to point and then laugh or it's not for us to even react like, God has empowered us and given us the ability to lose people and let them go. And actually, that is part of the delivering process. So I love what you just said right there. With the mindset of God was able to show you who your real enemy was. Keep going. I'm so sorry.

[Lana Savchuk]

Oh, no, you're fine. And we love to say that deliverance is always for the desperate. And I became desperate, crying out to God. And this is where God can bring that solution, just like he did for Israelites. They cried out to God. They became desperate. The boiling point has reached its point, and the search has begun. And God's like, you know what? I already raised someone out there to come and get you out.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

So you're saying if we do experience deliverance, it's God answering the cry of our soul?

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes, absolutely. And those people who are in the ministry of deliverance, they are not there because they are special. They are there because they have an assignment. And because God's people are crying out. And this is what happens when we see ourselves as enemies. People end up committing suicide. And that's what the devil wants, because he wants to stay hidden. Anonymous. I have nothing to do with it. It's God's fault. It's everybody else's fault, and you are the problem. Now remove yourself out of it. And this is the lie of the enemy that he convinces people to believe in.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Well, now you made me excited about this podcast, because I feel like part of what we do here is expose darkness. And if anybody is able to watch this and open their eyes and see, I'm not crazy. I'm not the enemy. Something has been after my life. Something has been after my bloodline. Something is after my marriage. It positions me differently because now I don't turn the knife against me. I'm looking for whatever that thing is that's causing the destruction. To me, that changes everything. Couples that are experiencing a hardship right now, the enemy wants you to be convinced that, that you guys are the problem. He wants you to turn your eyes against your children and say, that's the problem. Turn your eyes and blame God. And while all. While I say a poem, in my poem, I say the enemy is untouched. Untouched while he's causing so much chaos in our family.

[Lana Savchuk]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Thank you for saying the part about the desperation. Because the truth about it is Jesus even had to confirm with people. He said, do you want to be healed? Do you want to be made whole? Let it be according to your faith. So for those of you who have, who have been convinced by the enemy to give up hoping, trusting and crying out for God to set you free, what my sister just said here is really important. She said God answers the cry of the desperate.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Don't stop crying out to the Lord. Don't stop believing and trusting in him to set you free. So I just wanted to say that before you continue, because I have. I have a couple things that I've read here that I wanted you to jump into as well. Two things. Well, let's start with this one you talked about. Let's start with this one. Then I'm going to go to the one that I really want to ask. When I watch this clip. This is the reason why I got you. So I'm going save that one. You say that there's a difference between strongholds and demons. What is that difference? Some people think it's the same thing. Why are they not the same thing?

[Lana Savchuk]

Right. Yes. This is two different things. Of course, demons are entities. They are persons who torment a person and they need to be cast out. They are there through open doors and legal rights. But strongholds, it's strongholds, their mindsets, the lies that we believe against God, the lies we believe about people, about yourself. It's the fortified thinking against the truth of God. And this is what. It's the devil's work as well. While he is tormenting you, he's also doing something he's building lies. It's like walls, those lies against the truth of God. So even when we hear the truth, that wall cannot penetrate it. So those walls, they are built with time. And so they must be brought down with time, one break at a time. And so that's why when people become so desperate and they receive deliverance, but they see like, why am I still like this? Why am I still tormented? Well, because there's so much, so many lies that the devil has built, and you have accepted and believed in that. There is a lot of work to be done there. But people want to give up. And they go from deliverance to deliverance, thinking they need more deliverance. Even though some people do need multiple sessions of deliverance, nevertheless, freedom, it always has two sides. It's like a coin with two sides. One side is deliverance, removing demons out, and another side is breaking down mental strongholds, which Bible talks so much about it. And the Bible commands us to renew our mind. This is how we obtain true freedom in the Lord.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

I don't know if you are hearing this woman speak today. There's a couple things I got to stop you on. You said the enemy joins us to build fortified thoughts. I never heard anyone say it like that. Strongholds. If you know the nature of a stronghold, you see in, in scripture, David, he hid in the stronghold. Strongholds were buil as safeguarded places in for war. Like if you want to hide out from the enemy, you'll go to a stronghold. So you're telling me that not only does an enemy want to occupy and torment a believer, but they want to help us frame safeguards against the truth. To keep light, to keep help out.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And to keep the lies in. So not only are there thoughts, but the thoughts are now fortified.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes. Correct.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Protected.

[Lana Savchuk]

Protected. Yes. Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

This is why in 2 Corinthians 10 is telling us. Is it 10? Yeah. Telling us to tear down these strongholds for every thought and argument that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. So the knowledge of God can't even penetrate because strongholds exist.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes. Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

But you're something that you said that was really important. You said there are things that the enemy wants us, wants to convince us of, and there are things that we've accepted. So strongholds aren't built independently by the enemy. They can only be built by the motor, the mortar of our agreement. So when we accept it.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

It strengthens.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And every time we accept the lie. You said brick by brick. Over time. Over time. And even things that happen in our life, like, let's say something bad happens to us, that's one brick. And then something else. And something, another situation or something else that just. It reinforces the lies as well. God is not good. God is not with me. God doesn't love me. I'm dumb. I make dumb decisions. I'm the worst sinner. All of these Things are. Let's talk about these strongholds and how they show up in people's lives. Because you and your husband, you see this, and you might have seen some of these things in your life. What are those lies that people have to grapple with?

[Lana Savchuk]

Some of them are stronghold of fear. It can also be fear of demon, of course. But once you remove the fear of demon, the stronghold of fear can remain until you break it down by the truth of God's word, the stronghold of rejection.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Come on.

[Lana Savchuk]

All of these things. And this is what I struggled with. Some of the stronghold of negativity and stronghold of loneliness and rejection. That even after I received my deliverance, I felt like I wasn't fully free. I needed to start working on that and bringing those things down. And that takes time and consistency. Strongholds, they are built with time, and they must be brought down with time. But sometimes we get so impatient that we don't want to do that. And that's what the enemy wants us to do. He wants us to stop so he can regain access and still torment us.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Oh, my goodness. This is why you said people feel like they need to be delivered a hundred times every month. Because, oh, my goodness.

[Lana Savchuk]

And we see that so much in our ministry, really, when we do deliverance, people come again and again and again for deliverance. Deliverance, where when we counsel people, we already tell them, hey, that's. I don't. I don't think this is the deliverance issue anymore. This is now a stronghold that you need to renew your mind. You need to work on that to receive your full freedom. Because even if you receive deliverance, you still need to renew your mind every single day. We need to do that until we break down all those strongholds.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Let me ask you a question. Whose responsibility is it to renew our minds and to tear down strongholds?

[Lana Savchuk]

It's our responsibility. And when I personally understood that and when the Holy Spirit showed me that here, deliverance unties your hands and gives you a chance for a fight. And God gives you the sword of the spirit to fight, which is his word, the truth. And now you. It's your responsibility. It's my responsibility to pick up that sword and begin to wave and fight for yourself before you can even fight for other people.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Oh, I got chills. I got chills. So you're saying to me, I gotta go back. You said, the Lord broke me free so that I can pick up my sword, so that I can fight for myself and so that I can fight for others. So many people are still stuck Here. And you know how many people can be set free if they just realize all they needed, one, was to deal with that demon, and two, to deal with the strongholds that will be able to liberate them, to be able to walk in the true authority with the word of God. I want to know what that even looks like. I know I'm jumping ahead so fast. What does it look like for the regular person that hears this? Because to me, no one wants to hear that. I. If I got issues, I want to go to the doctor. I want him to give me the pill, and I want to be better. I don't want to have to exercise. I don't want to have to drink water. I don't want to have to stop eating the bad food. So you're telling me that deliverance is a process that involves me?

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes. Freedom is the process that involves every single person. The way the Lord taught me through my personal journey and walk was I realized that when you know the truth, the truth will set you free. And the truth is Jesus. When we get to know him, when we spend time with him, he begins to reveal himself to us. And when I begin that process, you know, I gotta tell you, it was so painful. Because when you spend years and years in the negative mindset, it's tormenting to even think one positive thought. And I remember myself sitting in the parking lot of college and opening up my Bible, reading it out loud and experiencing pain, because I did not want to do that. I did not want to hear that. I was so used to feeling sorry for myself. I was so used to being negative that this was painful to receive. But I made myself to eat that diet. I love the example that you brought up with exercise. And when you go to the doctor, he tells you to do 1, 2, 3, but you want quick pill. And this is how people see God fix me quick. But God doesn't work like that. God can deliver us quick. Demons come out quickly, so they enter quickly, too. But when we have to deal with our mind, with our soul, it's a slow process. And we need to allow the Holy Spirit to take us through that slow process. And in my case, it took a few years until I experienced my full freedom. And so I was sitting in the parking lot and reading the Bible out loud, and I realized one thing, that my eyes were seeing the word of God, my ears were hearing the Word of God, and my mouth was speaking the word of God. And that on a consistent basis, the truth penetrates and breaks down those lies. And I realized Working with the Holy Spirit because he's the only one who can help us to break down those lies. He is the only one who can make Jesus be real to us. He is the only one who can reveal the truth and so our heart and our mind can receive it. And so when I was doing that, day after day, I would listen the podcast like said I, hours and hours every day about the Holy Spirit, about all of these things. And the Holy Spirit and his presence would literally physically touch me, and I felt like I was an onion. And he would peel one layer at a time, one lie at a time. One thing, one lie that I believed about myself, about people, about my husband, about God, about the devil. One thing at a time. And this is how Holy Spirit works. Not all at once. It's one thing at a time. And the devil wants us to believe that if the full freedom doesn't happen at once, we are not truly delivered. But that's a lie. God takes time with us. And you know what? Yes, he is all powerful God, and he could snap his finger and we are totally free. But he's more interested in the process that he wants to take us through.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Oh, man.

[Lana Savchuk]

Because he wants to not only set us free, to make us understand, to make us, but he wants to make us into certain people. He wants to develop a character.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Come on.

[Lana Savchuk]

A character of a soldier. And unfortunately, in the story of Israelites, when he took them out of bondage, out of Egypt, he was leading them to the promised land. And it was supposed to take only a certain amount of days. Correct. But it took them 40 years in the wilderness, which is insane because they were stubborn. They were complaining. They were such a hard people to work with for God. So it took them so long. And I'm like, lord, I don't want to take so long. Please mold me, break me, Take your time. The time that's necessary for me to become free. But I want to be free. And guess what? In the Promised Land, there were enemies. And we think when we go to our promised land, when we receive or obtain our true freedom, we're just gonna eat milk and honey and be on a vacation. But no. God makes us into soldiers for a reason. In the Promised Land, you have to be a soldier to fight, not just to chill and do nothing. And so God was working on my mind, on my understandings of things and all of that. And in a more practical way, how we break down the strongholds is we work on one stronghold at a time, not all. And we catch one lie at a Time. And with the word of God, we combat it with the truth. So, for example, you catch the lie in your mind that you are worthless, you are lonely, God doesn't love you. When you catch and you recognize that this is a lie, you can then combat it with the truth. I am loved by God, he said in his word. Even if I don't feel like I am loved, he loves me because he said so. And I choose to believe the word of God.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

That's so powerful. That's so powerful. I had a brother that came on the podcast and talked about how the enemy uses our memories to. To torment us and sometimes memories. The enemy use our memories as a tool to try to make us like he memories with narratives attached to him. What I mean is you can have a memory, but it's the narrative attached to the memory. If that narrative is a lie, then that mem. That memory has the power to be able to lead you to a place. Let's say something happened to me as a child. That means I deserved it and I'm worthless, right? That's what happened. The memory is attached to it. I can't get rid of the memory, but what I can do is I can deal with the narrative attached to the memory because that's what the enemy is using. That narrative is saying that what happened to me, God can't use it. What happened to me makes me unusable. What happened to me makes me unworthy. What happens to me? What happened to me took away my vows.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

You.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

I have to now allow God to go to that place, see that the thing for what it was, and say I was loved. I was kept. God kept my mind. God kept me. That didn't take away my purity. God gives me purity. God gives me value. God, all of these things. So we have to retroactively. I love what you said because we needed what you just said right now. You said one lie at a time, one stronghold at a time, one memory at a time.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Come. Let it be confronted with the truth of God's word. What does God really say about it? Not what you felt, not what people said, not what you thought, but what the. What did God say? So I want to get to this part because you taught the book is called change your mind. What does the mind have to do with this? I get it that the mindset is the stronghold. But now that want to have a new mind, what is it? What is so special about me changing my mind? That is going to change my life, right?

[Lana Savchuk]

The Bible teaches us to have the mind of Christ. So that is the bottom line, goal that we need to have the mind of Christ. And the devil is out for our mind because it's the battlefield for him. Everything starts in the mind. Where our mind goes, our life usually follows. And if our mind is tormented inside, if a person is tormented by negativity, by the lies of the enemy, usually that's the direction that our life will take. That direction, and ultimately the devil is after to destroy our lives and take away our souls, but we cannot allow him to do that. So that's why the Bible focuses so much on the renewing of our mind and that we need to have the mind of Christ. And so that's that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Wow. No, that's so powerful. You said we need the mind of Christ. The enemy is after our mind because this is where the battlefield is. And so now with our minds, the Bible talks about scripture, talks about how we have the helmet of salvation. So there's a level of protection for our mind. Even in scripture. I believe it's in Philippians, chapter four. I believe it talks about how the peace that passed Saul understanding will guard our hearts and our minds in Christ Jesus. So it keeps on talking about our minds needed to be guarded, and God's peace does that.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

That.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

So it's not just about the things that happen. It's not just about where the enemy left, but it's also going into new territories, new places, because the enemy didn't just want to destroy you per se, he wanted to destroy everything that had to do with you. I find it so interesting that the enemy attacked you to attack Vlad, the enemy attacked you to attack your future ministry and Vlad's ministry and all of the things, your future children, all of the things. So never think of the enemy never makes isolated attacks. If he's attacking you, then there's something attached to you that's going to bring greater restoration around you. So pay attention to what the enemy is looking at as a threat in your life. If he's attacking your marriage, then that means the enemy, your marriage, intact and whole, is far more threatening to his kingdom. So he's going to go after you. If he's attacking your mind, then it means that your mind, stable and whole and full of the fruit of the spirit, is a threat to his kingdom. And so it makes me now, when you said, put on the mind of Christ, that's a warrior stance to say, hey, look, not only am I going to deal with this demon and get it out of me, I'm positioning my mind to now be A weapon that now the enemy can't play in, but the Lord can lead me in. Lord, I want my mind to be the grounds in which you lead me and guide me to do things that build your kingdom. Right. And so, like, it's not just like this mind stuff that you're talking about is not just so we can get out the cage.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes, absolutely.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

You talked about the promise, like, God has work for us to do on the other side of deliverance. So I want to talk about that. Like. Like so many people are stuck on. I want to be set free. I want to be set free. But one thing they never ask themselves is, why do you want to be set free? Is it just so you're not tormented? And that is like, okay, now I can kick back on the beach and sip a pina colada. That's what everybody wants. But we don't realize just what you said is, the Lord wants to free your hands so that you can fight for yourself and so that you can go out and engage in this war for his kingdom. So can we talk about believers standing up and recognizing that the battle doesn't stop when we get free in our mind? Go ahead.

[Lana Savchuk]

And it's true. A lot of us, we're humans, we love easy, easy life. We want to have easy life. But the thing is, people need to be taught. People need to be taught the word of God and how God sees the freedom, not just how we want the freedom to be. Our understanding can be faulty. But when we look into the word of God and we see that, and honestly, we live in a broken world. And while we're on this earth, God has an assignment for us. God has an assignment for us. And our freedom is not only for our sake. Our freedom is so we can go and fight as good soldiers of Christ. Apostle Paul is writing, so God sees us as soldiers. That means he has an assignment for us to fight for something. And until we get to heaven, and I believe even in heaven, we're not gonna just be singing, you know, songs and floating in the air. God's going to have a sign for us. And so when we see the picture of how God sees it, then we understand and we can embrace. You know what? Okay. There's a purpose for it. There is a purpose for my freedom, and I accept it. I would rather be a soldier in God's army.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Come on.

[Lana Savchuk]

Than some kind of a who knows who in devil. In the slavery of the devil.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

Yes.

[Lana Savchuk]

So I. I don't want that. And when the Lord has taught me and Showed me the picture that I am setting you free for a greater purpose.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Oh, my.

[Lana Savchuk]

I was like, wow, this is amazing. He changed the whole perspective of, I'm not just freed for myself. There are other people that need freedom, and God wants to use my example. And even this book that I wrote, you know, I am not that kind of person that, oh, my gosh, I want to write books. I want to go out there. And I was challenged by God. I felt like the Holy Spirit said, now I want you to use your position in your platform and where you're at in life, Where I put you in life is not because I chose you, because you were this good and because there is a purpose for that. Don't shy away from that purpose. And I want you to write about your story so other people can receive their freedom, so their eyes can be open. And even what you're doing here at this podcast, you're exposing the lies of the enemy so other people can benefit from that. I love that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

You know what's so funny? Because I gotta ask you one more thing. What's so funny is we're so quick to accept the lies of the enemy, but when the Lord comes with who he really says you are and what he wants you to do, we shy away. We don't accept and we don't own what the Lord wants for us. And I don't know what that is, because I've dealt with that so much. Unworthiness is a real thing in the sense that it's like when the Lord really redeems you, and when he sets you free and he want to cause you, he calls you for greater purpose. It's almost like, lord, this is too much for me. This is too big for me. I'm not worthy of this. But that type of humility is not true humility. It's false humility, and it insults God. This is why I say that in Philippians again, Chapter two. It talks about. It says, let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ Jesus. If we're talking about minds, then we need to talk about this. He had the type of humility that accepted that it says that he was equal with God. He thought it not robbery to be equal with God, yet he humbled himself to death. Which. Which is to say that Jesus Christ did not step on the scene and say, I am not the Son of God. I am nobody. I have no purpose. I have no call. No, what he said is, I am who God called me to be. I am the Son of God, but I Am not going to take advantage for my own benefit. I'm going to serve and walk in obedience to the assignment of God, even unto death. So for us, we don't have the luxury or the privilege to say, God, not me. I'm not. I'm. No, no, don't. Not me. I can't do it. I can't speak. I can't. No. Like, that's not humility. Humility is saying, yes. This doesn't come from me. This is your wisdom. This is your life. This is your mind. This is your voice. Whatever you want to do and whatever you want to say, I give it to you. Why? Because when we were bound, we were in agreement. When we were in our stronghold, we was in agreement with the lies of the enemy. And now the Lord is saying, now that I've set you free, come into agreement with where I've called you. And so I speak that for you and for myself and for those that are watching. It doesn't do anybody a service for you to say, God, not me. I'm not good enough. I'm not. I don't feel I'm good enough for anything that God does. And that's okay because God is good enough.

[Lana Savchuk]

Amen. Yes, he's good enough.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And he wants. He desired to use you for this time. Use me for this time. And all we can do to be in humility is to be obedient.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Yep. God, yes. Whatever you want me to do, I'm not qualified for that stage, but you want me to go, I'll go.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

I'm not qualified to talk, but if you want me to talk, I'll talk. So I want you to talk a little bit about what it really fully means to just own what God is doing, what God is saying, and actually believe. Like, because now that your mind has changed, you have to have a. You have to think differently.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Thoughts about yourself, thoughts about your marriage. Your mind has to be different. So what was that battle like for you to fully kind of. Okay, I can do. Because I don't think naturally, you wouldn't want to be looking for podcasts to get on. I called you. This is not your thing. So for you to say yes to do it, it. Something had to die in you. So talk about that.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes. Even with how this book came along, I felt like an imposter. What do I have to say? Like, why? Why? Like, no, this is just something, you know. But, God, like, no, you have to take responsibility. It's not about you. It's not about how Good or bad you are, how qualified. It's not about how good you can write or not. I'll send you helpers and help, and you just have to say yes. And as long as we understand that it's really not about us if we're good or not so good. It's about God's purpose and what he wants to do. But then I also understood that if I will not do this, there are so many people that the devil is using with big platforms that so such a destruction into our generation. They will not shy away to open their mouth and do and say something. And here I am feeling like a little nobody and like, maybe even a little bit lazy. I don't want to do this. I don't want to be involved in that. But then you know what? We have to rise up and step up our game, come on and do this. Whatever God asks of us, we need to do it. And not to shy away, to use our platforms, our influence for God's kingdom. Come on. And of course, not letting all of this get into our heads because, you know, it's ultimately, we are servants of Christ. We serve people.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And yeah, I want to ask you this before. Before we pray. Women, now that you've gone through what you've gone through, do you see, like, I'm sure people come to you all the time, and I apologize to you in advance, people are going to kick down your door for this as well. Do you see it differently when women are going through things and they're experiencing things in their marriage, in their mind, in their heart? Do you have a different heart for them when people are going through things or do Sometimes you're just living your life, you see something happening. You're like, I see in you what was in me. Do you ever have those experiences?

[Lana Savchuk]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, we're dealing with people on a constant, on a daily basis. And I see that, of course, the things that the Lord have brought me through and to. It's easy now to help other people, but people need to. They have to have hope and they have to be willing to work with God. They have to be willing when it comes to dealing with the mind and all of that. And I was like that, too. I'm like, God, fix me quick. I don't want to go through growth because even when we exercise and all that, it's all pain, but it's for your own good. Same thing with having the mind of Christ and breaking down mental strongholds. It's work. We have to work at it. And we have to be willing to do what's necessary. That's why. How much do you want your freedom? I ask people, how much are you desperate enough to, when God delivers you from demons, to actually start working and roll up your sleeves and do something about it and work with the Holy Spirit for your freedom? And at the end of the day, God's going to use you to help other people. Are you willing to do that? That's the question I had to ask myself. And I was desperate enough. And something really inspired me. When I was listening to one of the messages, one preacher said, you know, it takes as much energy to be negative as it is to try to be positive. So just channel your energy to something else. And I'm like, a light bulb went off, went on in my head, and I'm like, oh, my goodness. Okay. I guess I'm gonna waste my energy trying to get free. And the Holy Spirit brought me to the point and to the moment of where I had to make a decision. Am I willing to fight until the last, last breath, until the last day of my life, maybe not seeing my full freedom for a whole life or not? And I'm like, you know what? I am willing to waste my life fighting, then rolling and crying on the floor as a victim. And so when I made that decision, with that mindset, that as long as it takes, I'm gonna work with the Holy Spirit, even if I will not obtain my true freedom until I go to heaven, I am willing to work with the Holy Spirit because God loves me so much, and I'm just gonna be obedient. And yeah, it took few years, but I received my freedom. And this is what I tell people, like, don't give up. God loves you so much. Don't give up. He wants your freedom sometimes more than you even want your freedom. Work with the Holy Spirit. That's my view.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

I got chills. I got chills. I had a thought that just came to my mind. Let's say for those that are watching, let's say you have a child and the child is in. This is a horrible example, but just came to me when you said what you said, because that's. That was just powerful. The child is in a coma and the doctor tells you that this child has the chance to wake up for, you know, a few hours or whatever at a time. The child is going to wake up at one point, but you have to show up every day. I wonder what parent will ever get to a point that will say, I don't think I want to show up. If you have a chance to see your child wake up up, at what point will you stop showing up? And if it's as easy as seeing my child alive showing up, then I'm just going to keep showing up. I'm going to keep coming to the Lord, I'm going to keep leaning on to the Lord. I'm going to keep reading my word. When you said, are you willing to fight until your last breath? First of all, no one wants to hear that because it's just like, oh my goodness. But the alternative is, are you going to fight and work with along with the Holy Spirit for your freedom or do you want to stay tormented for your life? Like, which one do you choose?

[Lana Savchuk]

Exactly?

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

You got a choice. And man, the enemy is betting that we give up. The enemy is betting that we're going to quit. The enemy is betting that we're going to choose the route that, that you know, that's going to cause us to destroy ourselves. You said some things about suicide and stuff like that. A lot of people that take that route are saying, I'm, I'm, I'm not willing to fight for my mind anymore.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes, it's a very cowardly way to go. It's, it's to just give up.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And honestly, because some people just don't believe that it can be better. You talked about negativity and these thoughts. It's in their mind. In their mind, somebody beautiful people commit suicide. Successful people commit suicide. People that are loved commit suicide. So there's something about their situation. There's a narrative, there's a lie attached to that person that is not allowing them to see the beauty. There are people that are suffering with no money, that have joy. But then there's somebody that has everything that's contemplating taking their life. And so there are lies that just need to be dealt with, man. And the truth about it is it may not even be as for you, it might not seem as serious as suicide. It may be about your sexuality, it may be about your self esteem, about your confidence, about your beauty. Come on, let's talk to the ladies about your beauty, about, you know, your value. To all of these things, the enemy have attached lies and things that have. I always say this. The enemy plants seed and he causes somebody to water it. You thought you were ugly as a child. And then someone comes into your life and treat you wrong in a relationship. To reinforce the seed that the enemy planted. The enemy might have used that person to speak those negative words to plant that seed. And every time the enemy plants a seed. He always sends people to water those same seeds. And so now you have a lie that's strengthened as a stronghold that has to be dealt with. And.

[Lana Savchuk]

And I have a really good picture in my mind right now. We always have to remember those three things. Our life is like a garden. And we need to kill the snakes. Those are the demons. Uproot the weeds, the lies the enemy is trying to plant in our mind and plant the seeds, the seeds of God's word. And guess what? It's all work. And when we uproot the weeds, if we don't plant anything, instead of that, the weeds, they are naturally growing. But seeds, seeds of God's word, they need to be planted on purpose. And that's where we need to plant the seeds of God's word on purpose, in our mind and uproot the lies of the enemy like weeds. Like we would uproot the weeds out of our yard.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

You said we need to plant the seeds on purpose. You talk. You know, you're so powerful. I don't know if you know how powerful you are. So we can't just. You could get delivered. You could get the demon cast out. But if you don't deal with those weeds and if you don't plant on purpose, you can't just sit and live your life regular. And you're going to be okay. You're not going to be okay if you don't plant seeds on purpose.

[Lana Savchuk]

And then when you have a beautiful lawn on, you still need to fertilize, you still need to maintain. Because the weeds, they will grow back up naturally if we just let it go. We cannot let go of our mind. We have to constantly read the Word of God, meditate on the Word of God, and maintain our freedom.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Water.

[Lana Savchuk]

Water the seeds.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Oh, my God. I don't know. For me, on this topic, this is by far the most practical, most powerful conversation that I've had on this topic. Thank you. Because it's deep. But you made it so simple. The Lord gives us the power and authority for these seeds to actually change mindsets, even chemically in our brain. That.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

That.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

That. That has us stuck, our minds would be completely changed. We plan on purpose. I love this. You said, kill the snakes. Boom. Deal with the demons, deal with the weeds. That's the lies. Plan on purpose. The word of God. That's so easy.

[Lana Savchuk]

That's the map right there.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Listen. For everyone. I got to take a glimpse at this book, Change youe Mind. And when I tell you this is one of Those ones that everyone needs. Especially for those of you that are saying, I need deliverance, I need deliverance. God is going to set you free. However, like the scripture says, demons could get out of that thing. And when they find that place empty, they'll bring back seven more worse than they were. And the state of that person will be worse than it was. If you're not planting on purpose, if you're not identifying each stronghold, dealing with it day by day, one by one, allowing God to. To take his time to do his work in you, trusting God along the way, having the will to get up and fight every day. Man, I just don't know. I want to pray for those people that are exhausted.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

The people that feel like I've tried, I've prayed, and I still feel like I'm. I'm. I'm still here. I still feel like I'm stuck. That people that have gone hopeless about their marriage, about their children, about their own lives. I believe. I mean. I mean, you have a testimony even in your life with. On your family, and you guys waited for a child, and years down the line, God did something that you could have gave up on.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And instead of giving up, give it to God. That's what you told me. We were riding in the car. I was like, well, what happened? You was like, well, we gave the desire to God.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yes. Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

And God brought about a miracle. If you're listening right now, you don't have the ability to fight on your own. You need the Holy Spirit, the power that you were talking about, that's in the word of God is empowered by the Holy Spirit, and he can do the work in your life. So sometimes I would discourage deliverance for certain cases if people are not willing to. To commit to a life of tearing down strongholds and positioning themselves to refeed themselves and replace the lives with the word of God. And so I believe a book like this one, it does a few things. One, for those of you that are thinking, hey, do I need deliverance? Read this, because it tells you some of the symptoms that might be existing in your life. You're seeing some things, it highlights those things. But two, for those people that have gotten deliverance, and maybe in the group of people that you don't need another demon cast out. You need to deal with the lies that the enemy has cooperated with you at your permission to keep those strongholds there. This book, there's nothing more clear than this. This is the biblically what it looks like to deal with lies, to replace the lies with the truth and how to do it practically. I tell you, I do this all the time. And I don't think it gets more simpler and it gets more clear than this. I don't even like advertising. But I will say this. For those of you who want to deal with strongholds for good. This is the only way. There's no other way but to deal with the picture that she gave you. Dealing with the snakes, dealing with the weeds, and planting the seeds. It is the way. So for those of you that are watching, I want you to get this book. The link is in the description. Let's just, you know, if it's not already a bestseller, let's go ahead and make it a bestseller. Bestseller. You guys, this is how the body thrives. And if you know someone that needs this book and they don't know too much, they're not theologians, this is the book that they need because it breaks it down. It's very simple. So I love you guys and I want. I want you to pray for those that are. Are watching, that are listening, that are at the point they're just like, hey, look, I don't know. I'm. I'm. I'm stuck. I still feel the same. I've prayed the prayers. I felt like demons leave me, but I still feel the same. I want you to pray for those people.

[Lana Savchuk]

Lord, I thank you so much for every single person that is watching this podcast. I thank you that you brought them here on purpose to hear these things. Lord, I pray that you will quicken the revelation that they need to believe and they need to receive from you. Precious Holy Spirit. I pray for freedom, for freedom in the mind that they will have that ability, that desire and hope to continue to carry on and fight. Lord, for those that gave up and those that are discouraged, I just ask you, Holy Spirit, that you spark back that desire for a fight, Lord, that you will be their hope, Lord, that the devil and his lies, they will diminish and diminish and your truth will stand out brighter and brighter in their mind, in their lives, in their hearts, in a mind mighty name of Jesus, let every stronghold be brought down. In Jesus name, let your word shine bright. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Amen. I want to know is, how can we hear and see more of you? Are you online? Do you have a ministry? Like, what? Because everyone doesn't know, so we want to know where we can find you.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yeah, I mean, my husband and I, we pastor a church hungry generation in Pasco, Washington, and I have a YouTube channel. He has a YouTube channel. We. I do a lot. We do a lot of things.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

She says they're very low key. They got huge channels like these. Like, this is an honor for even me to have them as guests. I want to say shout out to Vlad. I reached out and I was like, look, I sent a DM to your wife. I want to know if it's okay for her to come down. He did not hesitate. He responded immediately, and he said, she's coming. He gave me the information, and he was able to make this happen. Like. Like, you know, this lady, to get her is not easy. Like, she doesn't show up for everybody. So I want to say thank you.

[Lana Savchuk]

Yeah, he told you I'm coming before he told me I'm coming.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

He knew it.

[Lana Savchuk]

He knew it.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

But if this is divine, there's a reason why you came at this time. There's a reason why this book was released at this time. It's so necessary. So for those of you that are interested in seeing what she's about, Pastor Vlad, if you don't already know who he is and what he's about, out, we're going to put all the links in the description, and I can't wait to see what God does.

[Lana Savchuk]

Thank you so much for having me today. It was my honor to be here. Thank you.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

I'm honored. Thank you so much. And the Lord reveals himself to me.

[Lana Savchuk]

This is not a podcast. This is a deliverance ministry. God is going to deliver just as many, if not more, here than he does inside of church buildings.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

You got to keep giving yourself over to it.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

It's proving it to you over and over.

[Lana Savchuk]

And the waiting is of your anointing. The Lord says thousands will be delivered.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

Now, you might be asking, what is the gospel? The gospel is very simple. That you are a sinner and that you are on your way to hell without a shadow of a doubt. You were born in sin, and the wrath of God abides on you. And you do not deserve to go there by way of your sin. But while you was still a sinner, God sent his son, Jesus, who loved you and died for you, as your substitutionary sacrifice. Which means he died in your place so that you could live his life, which means he died for your sin. He was buried, and three days later, he resurrected from the dead. And if you would confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

Saved.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

This. That's.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

That's out here.

[Guest or Additional Speaker (possibly Ezekiel or another host)]

No, no, I'm talking About the real Jesus of the Bible, the eternal Son of God that became a man. God manifested in the flesh that became a man. And in 33 years, he died on the cross, providing redemption, buying us back, translating us out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his dear Son. Which means he redeemed us back to God. He wrecked. Reconciled you back to God by way of his death on the cross. And so you're probably saying, how can I be saved? Very simple. All you have to do is repent of your sin. I'm not talking about 360, talking about 180. You turn. You turn from your sin. You believe in the gospel exclusively, just Jesus. I'm not talking about Jesus and Mary, Mary. I'm not talking about Jesus and Buddha. I'm not talking about Jesus and some other centralized figure. And I'm not even talking about Jesus and your spiritual father and destiny and all of that. No, no. There's only one way to heaven. Jesus said, I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life. And nobody comes up to the Father except through me. Jesus is exclusively the only way. You want to know why he's the only way? Because he's not only the only way. He is the door to enter in. And the only way you could get in is by way of repentance. You must repent and become born again. Why? Because only sons and daughters can become citizens in the kingdom. Outsiders can't come in. But Jesus died on that cross and he made the way open for you. And if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. I'm not talking about all this other stuff to get saved. No, no, no. Just believe. Believe in him, the efficacy of Christ's work on the cross as the substitutionary sacrifice in exchange for your sin. Which means you give up your sin. You give it to him, he exchanges it and takes on your sin. Yes, but he gives you his righteousness. And then you are righteous and justified by faith in Jesus. And when you have just justification because of Jesus, now you have peace with God. You have peace with God. And watch this. And now he will no longer be just your God. He is now your heavenly Father through the person of the Son, Jesus. Why don't you pray that prayer right now? Just repeat after me. Say, lord, I believe that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell. But God, you sent your son. Go ahead. Those of you that are watching, repeat. What? What I'm Saying, say God, you sent your son, Jesus Christ to die for my sin. He was buried. Three days later, he resurrected from the dead. I now confess you, Lord Jesus, as my Lord, as my Savior. Come into my heart, come into my life and wash me from my sin. And I'll say this, say, holy Spirit, Spirit, I surrender my life to you. Make me born again in Jesus, mighty name. My friend, have you said that prayer whichever way you said that prayer? As long as you believe, confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and that he died on the cross for you. And three days later he resurrected and you repented and believe that message. The Bible says, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. You are saved, my friend. Here's what I want you to do. There's going to be an email that's going to be put on the video right here. And I want you to write. I want you to write this channel and tell them that you accepted Christ as your Savior. And brother Ezekiel and the administrative staff of this channel will help you find a local church in your area. They will point you in the right direction. But we need to hear from you. Say man of God and that broadcast. I know you guys are talking about deep demons and devils, but I ended up getting saved and I ended up renouncing all other gods. Yeah, which means you got to renounce all other gods and believe exclusively on the Son of God. And welcome to the family of God.

[Podcast Host (possibly Ezekiel)]

What's going on, family? It's Ezekiel. One of my greatest burdens for this channel is after the video. You've been impacted. You just got saved. You just got delivered. Now what? We developed something called Freedom Guide. Freedom Guide is our digital directory that gives you access to every resource that we have available. We have our video directory, and that's super useful because we have hundreds of videos across this channel. Thousands of hours of powerful conversations. But where do you go when you're looking for that specific thing you're struggling with? Sexual sin. We have videos for that. You just got out of a church. We have videos for that. Some of you are looking for books, courses from some of our past guests. We're making that available to you. And we're also populating those lists weekly. Many people are seeking for in person prayer deliverance. We're making that available to you with this link. So go ahead and click Freedom Guide link. It's right there in the description. And you'll have access to all this for free. All you have to do is join us, subscribe to that list and we'll be continuing to push out that information on a weekly basis while you have a total directory of everything that we have to offer. And don't forget, anytime we have an event, anytime we're doing something special, anytime we're calling a fast, we want you to know about it. We'll be able to access you directly and keep you updated on the amazing things that we have to offer. Love you guys. Peace.