WEIRD Here To Help: Cursed Baby Doll & Psychic Sons

Summary

We're Here to Help

Episode: WEIRD Here To Help: Cursed Baby Doll & Psychic Sons

Airdate: July 3, 2026

Hosts: Steve Berg & Eric Edelstein

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Episode Overview

This episode of "We're Here to Help" dives into the weird and wonderful as co-hosts Steve Berg and Eric Edelstein field calls involving a cursed Fringe Festival baby doll and two brothers—one nonverbal and autistic—who may share a telepathic bond. Expect a blend of absurd bits, genuine curiosity, life advice, and the duo’s usual mix of comedic warmth and earnest encouragement.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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Opening Banter: Tennis Court Drama & Parental Wisdom

• [02:43 – 06:26]
  • Steve recounts a story about his 84-year-old dad being accused of "sweeping water off the clay courts" (a major tennis faux pas).
    • Steve's dad stands by his friend's side, refusing to snitch.
    • Steve: "After Timothy walks away, my dad looks at me and goes, 'I ain’t no rat.'"
    • Eric: "All right, you’re about to Donnie Brasco life. Your dad ain’t snitching."
  • Eric shares his own dad’s rare but strategic use of cursing and sage advice:
    • Eric: "When I finally left home for college, my dad waves me down just to say, ‘Don’t ever put AM PM gas in your car. That gas’ll f*ck up your tank.’"

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Segment 1: Miranda from Toronto—Cursed Baby Doll at the Fringe

• [12:52 – 41:14]

The Call-in

• Miranda works for the Toronto Fringe Festival and shares an evolving "cursed doll" saga that has bewitched the festival staff.
  • The doll’s origin: A “three-faced” thrift store doll, now referred to as Baby Girl/BGR (Baby Girl Reincarnated), has switched hands as a staff “prize”—and is believed by many to pack a supernatural punch.
  • Latest developments: The first doll’s loss (disintegrated), replacement by a creeper “toddler-bodied” doll, and staff hiding the doll to lightheartedly prank (or spook) coworkers.

Engaging with the Curse

• Miranda: "Nobody has said she's cursed, but you look at her and you know she's cursed." – [27:05]
• Hosts discuss:
  • Theaters are haunted: Both hosts agree almost every theatre claims to be haunted; Steve: “Every theater I’ve ever been in claims to be haunted. I can say that comfortably.” [28:07]
  • The power of comedy: Steve advises, “Comedy is a great way to battle negativity, fear, and whatever... if you can figure out how to turn it into a bit and a joke, which you’re already doing… I think that is the way to go.” [30:44]
  • Banishment rituals: Steve proposes performing a protective 'banishing ritual' as an event at the festival. “If I’m an audience member and they ask us all to participate in a banishing ritual for a haunted doll, that’s a show I’d remember the rest of my life.” [31:27]
  • Doll as festival mascot: Eric: “What if we could rope off a seat for her opening night and give her the respect she deserves? And will it scare people? Sure, but it saves lives.” [29:10]

Notable Quotes & Bits

• Steve: “Taking the piss out of scary situations with doing bits and comedy… it’s worked for me my whole life, man.” [37:46]
• Eric suggests sending the doll on tour: “Maybe send this doll to other fringe festivals around the country. It’s like a traveling curse doll.” [36:57]
• Miranda, on potential hosts: “We love a bit. There’s nothing that we love more than a bit.” [34:07]
• Steve volunteers to caretake the doll, should Miranda want to send it their way: “I’ll study her. My wife will freak out... she’s used to it.” [35:03]

Key Advice Takeaways

• Turn curse into theater; laughter and participation dilute fear.
• Make the doll a recurring bit, mascot, or side show.
• Use a banishment ritual/performance as both comedic and community-building event.
• Hosts make themselves available for future Fringe events—“shockingly available and shockingly affordable.” [35:16]

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Segment 2: Christian from Orange County—Psychic Sons & Parental Telepathy

• [45:32 – 65:09]

The Call-in

• Christian, father of two (one nonverbal & autistic, one neurotypical), describes his sons’ bewildering telepathic-seeming connection; the younger often intuits needs or actions of the older, to a spooky degree.
  • “My youngest will just get up, ‘Brother wants a snack,’ or get up to stop him doing something, like, he knows brother’s about to do something bad.” [50:53]

Questions Raised

• How to foster the connection between brothers?
• Can Christian and his wife tap into this psychic link?

Hosts’ Responses & Advice

• Steve recommends Zener cards (cards used for ESP testing): “A lot of these researchers say to develop psychic abilities… is to use Zener cards... practicing like practicing a layup.” [52:36]
• Keep it playful and supportive: “Too many parents… would be freaked out by this. Instead, I think it’s golden that you want to increase it and get intuitive yourself.” – Eric [56:42]
• Mindfulness, meditation, and journaling synchronicities:
  • Eric: “Do you have a meditation practice? I always feel like that kind of lifts the veil back a little.” [54:54]
  • Steve: “Try reading something consciousness-expanding, then every time you have a synchronicity, write it down. Have a synchronicity journal.” [61:02]
• Encouraging scientific & playful exploration:
  • Watch the documentary Third Eye Spies (about government-funded psychic research). [63:28]
  • Try meditations: Wayne Dyer’s Meditations for Manifesting recommended. [61:27]
  • Normalize empathic/psychic exploration for kids as play, not pressure.

Notable Quotes

• Christian: “It’s mostly snack based right now... I want him in my brain!” [51:27]
• Eric: “You're gonna call me and I'm gonna start meeting you at Orange County casinos and we're gonna get filthy stinking rich...” [55:49]
• Steve (on Zener cards): “It’s a fun little game… used to give psychic tests to my friends.” [64:27]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When things get strange, just get stranger.” — Steve Berg, [02:06]
• “Comedy is a great way to battle negativity, fear… turn it into a bit and a joke.” — Steve, [30:44]
• “If I’m an audience member… and they ask us all to participate in a banishing ritual for a haunted doll, that’s a show I’d remember the rest of my life.” — Steve, [31:27]
• “Too many parents… would be freaked out by this. Instead, I think it’s golden that you want to increase it.” — Eric, [56:42]

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 02:43 – 06:26: Steve’s tennis drama and discussion about parental advice
• 12:52 – 41:14: Miranda’s cursed doll call and hosts’ advice
  • 29:10: Eric recommends roping off a seat for the doll at Fringe
  • 30:44: Steve: comedy as a tool against fear
  • 31:27: Banishing ritual suggestion
• 45:32 – 65:09: Christian’s “psychic sons” call and hosts’ ESP advice
  • 52:36: Steve explains Zener cards for ESP practice
  • 54:54: Eric suggests meditation for unlocking intuition
• 37:46: Steve on using comedy against fear

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Episode Tone

• Irreverent, warm, and highly conversational—with genuine curiosity about weird experiences, delivered with comedic timing and open-mindedness.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you’re into paranormal-lite, heartwarming advice, and two hosts who treat every caller like an old friend—while maintaining a steady stream of bits and playful banter—this episode is a standout. You’ll get real recommendations for dealing with haunted dolls (lean in, use theater!), actionable advice on nurturing unusual sibling connections (Zener cards, rituals, meditation), and a window into the show's endearing, often weird, worldview.

• For laughs: Stay for the banishment ritual pitch and the running doll bit.
• For heart: Christian’s story about his sons is touching and the hosts’ responses are both thoughtful and fun.
• For the weird: Theater curses, ESP exercises, and the assurance that, at least on this show—when things get weird, it’s time to get weirder.

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[Eric Edelstein]

Stevie. What's going on, buddy?

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You know. Wait, what did you. You had a great log line or a great quote. When things get strange, just get stranger.

[Eric Edelstein]

Yeah, right.

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That should be the tagline for the show.

[Eric Edelstein]

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[Christian (Caller)]

No, no.

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When the going gets weird, the weird term. Pro.

[Eric Edelstein]

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It's a great 11 year MLB vets. We are the Ohtani and Aaron Judge or no, we're the Ohtani and Bobby Wood Jr. Of weirdness.

[Steve Berg]

Steve, that's ex. You made me cry. Erica. I had an interesting morning yesterday.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, gimme.

[Steve Berg]

I. So my dad and I, we played tennis. My dad's 84, just turned 84 and he is just still a committed tennis player. Still playing singles.

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[Steve Berg]

I know, I know, I know. He's, I, I, I, he's in better shape than I am. It's embarrassing, but we were walking onto the court for our usual 11am match and let's call him Timothy, who kind of runs the, the Dewey Tennis Center. He was like, you know, he's a great guy. We love him, right? And he, he takes care of everything. He's a volunteer. The guy's, he's an amazing person. But he came up to my dad, you know, he's like, chris, I gotta, you know, I gotta talk to you. And my dad's like, oh, yeah. Hey, Timothy, what's going on? And he goes, well, so, so, by the way, a little, little side note. We play on clay courts, and there's like four clay courts. Yeah, well, exactly. But it's green clay because, you know, North America. But I guess we've had a lot of rain lately, and supposedly one of my dad's tennis partners, who he plays with all the time, was seen sweeping the water puddles off the clay, which I guess I just learned is a huge. No, no, no. What? Because, because it's, well, it spreads the moisture on the clay, then it makes it harder to dry so people can't play. Anyways, Timothy was a little bit up in arms. He's like, you know, to my dad, he's like, well, so, you know, your partner, who I'm not gonna mention his name. Mention it, was, was seen sweeping the puddles off the court. Was, was claimed to be seen in, in my, In. It was on the day my dad was supposed to play with him. So my dad is now implicated in this thing. Oh, I love the drama. And so, you know, Timothy is plug, like, basically interrogating my dad. And I'm just kind of sitting back watching this, wondering how my dad's going to handle this. And at the end, he goes, look, look, Timothy. The reality of the situation is blank. I'm not gonna mention his name. Was not, was not sweeping the water off the core. I'm not sure who told you that, but they were misinformed or misidentified. My dad kibosh the whole thing. After, After Timothy, whatever his name, walks away, my dad looks at me, goes, I ain't no rat. I was like, dad, you're the man, dude.

[Eric Edelstein]

You're the man. And I was so proud. In this moment, it's just another reminder of how you got who you are, because you come from great stock. You don't come from rats. You don't come from narcs. All right, you're about to Donnie Brasco life. Your dad ain't snitching. He absolutely swept the water off. It might have gained a competitive edit of Edge for you.

[Steve Berg]

Absolutely. But I was.

[Eric Edelstein]

What a great. Did you just bust out laughing right there?

[Steve Berg]

I died. I do not. I laughed so hard, I immediately, like, called my brother. My brother's like, I don't think I've ever been more proud of dad. Like, you know, it's like, because he's

[Eric Edelstein]

not, you know, and it's.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It.

[Steve Berg]

And like, I was so worried. My dad's older. Like, I thought he would just, like, you know, and he is an honest Abe. You know? Like, he is. The man's never said. He's never said a curse word in front of me. Wow, he is a straight arrow. He's never banged a Sig. Like, you know, he is like, you know, like the straightest arrow, high quality man. And he stood up for his tennis buddy. And I was like, that is so amazing. My brother and I are just having the most fun with it. It's absolutely hilarious.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, that's amazing. I love it. And your dad's never sworn.

[Steve Berg]

Never.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, my dad swears judiciously. Like, I remember once we went to see Saving Private Ryan, and we were both real quiet. We kind of walked around the Vancouver Mall, and then he just turned to me, he said, you know what, Eric? Hitler was a real.

[Steve Berg]

I mean, that is judicious. Because I mean, like, that, you know, it's like he's saving it for the worst of the worst.

[Eric Edelstein]

It is another time. This is when I finally left home to go to college. I went to community college and I went to Gonzaga. 20 years old. He's not an extremely emotional guy. He's definitely able to. Able to share and deal with emotions. But we had, like, a hug, and we're both so sad as I'm leaving. Then right as I get in the car and start to take off, he waves me down. Waves me down, like, oh, here we're about to have a real emotional moment. Moment. He goes, hey, Eric, when you're driving, don't ever put AM PM gas in your car. It's rock that gas. It'll up your tank. Thanks, dad. Okay, you wait.

[Steve Berg]

You want to know. You know what's weird? I. Oh, God, no, I can't. Kate, she's an improviser in la. We. I. I improvised with over a long time. She was from, like, tech. I think Dallas, Fort Worth or something like that. And she said the same Thing cuz there was an AMPN that used to be on Franklin close to ucb.

[Eric Edelstein]

Sure.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah. And I referenced going there. Yeah, I referenced going there because like I think I was like giving her a ride home. She's like, don't go there. They watered down their gas. I'm like, what? She's like, everyone in Texas knows that. So I didn't know there was like

[Eric Edelstein]

never gone PM we're probably, we're losing them as a sponsor right now. But my dad, I've never. Then I feel guilty. I have done with a rental car and that. That's a really sad thing to admit and I'm not proud of myself. But I'm like it's a.m. p.m. It's so cheap nuts in there.

[Steve Berg]

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[Eric Edelstein]

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[Eric Edelstein]

You can get like sometimes regional stuff. Like I was near Bakersfield recently and I got okra, fried okra in a bag.

[Steve Berg]

What in the ding dung were you doing at in Bakersfield, you weirdo?

[Eric Edelstein]

Yeah, little road trip coming back from. Coming back from seeing Otani in San Francisco.

[Steve Berg]

And you stopped at Baker?

[Eric Edelstein]

Yeah. Great man pitch.

[Steve Berg]

You have a poll to you're. I feel like, you know, when I live in la, it was always like, you know, I can't meet for lunch, I'm in Bakersfield. I feel like if you weren't at home, you weren't at a show or you weren't at an audition or working, you're in Bakersfield.

[Eric Edelstein]

Bakersfield, my Palm Springs. It truly is Bakersfield. Everyone else, no one except for Eric Edelstein. Bakersfield is glorious. You know, Jake Johnson and I announced multiple Bakersfield Blaze games and that's cool. Rest in peace to the Blaze that are no longer there. I love, love, love seeing live music in Bakersfield. It's like the only place in California that's like Texas or outlaw in this country. It is. A bunch of Texans came there, founded it. I've seen Neil Young shows at the Fox Theater. I walked down from the Padre Hotel. James Kirkland and Reg were there. Jack McLaughlin. It was an incredible time. Anytime Willie Nelson plays in Bakersfield, I try to go.

[Steve Berg]

Merle Haggard's from there. Buck Owens,

[Eric Edelstein]

he played a.

[Steve Berg]

You know, Merle famously warned us to not swim in the Kern river, man.

[Eric Edelstein]

Well, he was right. The Kern river will take people this year not trying to bring it down. So let's bring it right back up. Steve, we have some incredible calls today. Let's get into.

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Yeah.

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Well, well, well. Weirdos. We are back. I'm weird. You're weird. Weird. Here to help, caller. We're so happy to have you today. What is your name or fake name and where are you calling from? Or fake calling from?

[Miranda (Caller)]

Hello, my real name is Miranda and I am really calling from Toronto in Canada.

[Eric Edelstein]

We love Canada. We love Canada.

[Steve Berg]

Boy, we love Canada.

[Eric Edelstein]

Now let me say this because we're all different archetypes from Sex and the City. Are you a Miranda? That's also Miranda.

[Miranda (Caller)]

This is so embarrassing, but I've. I've never watched Sex in the City, so I don't really know.

[Steve Berg]

I haven't either.

[Eric Edelstein]

You know what? It's a fun watch.

[Steve Berg]

Die Hard, that.

[Eric Edelstein]

I've seen them all.

[Steve Berg]

He went to con in Trenton, New Jersey last year. Eric. Well, really quick, Eric. What Sexton City lady would I be? Cynthia Nixon? Without seeing it, I feel like I would be.

[Eric Edelstein]

Ah, see, I think there's amalgams. I think you're kind of Cynthia Nixon. Charlotte.

[Steve Berg]

Huh?

[Eric Edelstein]

And I think I'm. What's the. What's the.

[Steve Berg]

You're the. You're the one who gets around. I think.

[Eric Edelstein]

I think it's that. That one. A little bit of Charlotte. I'm not even. You know. And then I'm dabbling and having a whole lot of fun. Yeah, you're down, Miranda. Give it. Give it a watch. Because I'm sure you get it sometimes because of your name. But sometimes stuff's great for a reason.

[Steve Berg]

Well, it'll take you back to New

[Eric Edelstein]

York in the 90s when life was simpler.

[Steve Berg]

And a lot of people have been clamoring for a watch along party with Eric and I watching the pilot for Sex and the City. So we'll make sure that happens.

[Eric Edelstein]

Okay? That's going to happen on the Patreon very, very soon.

[Steve Berg]

Everyone's been asking.

[Eric Edelstein]

So, Miranda, break it down for us. Let's get a album, a book and a movie slash premium TV show. And we're mixing it up, friend. We're constantly expanding in honor of Steve Berg and his greatness. We want a food item. You're on a desert island the rest of your life. You get a food item now too.

[Steve Berg]

So I am starving.

[Eric Edelstein]

Album, movie, book, Drop science on us, friend.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Oh, my gosh. Okay, I thought, I thought about this in the 30 seconds before this call because I realized I would be asked this for album. Probably stranger. Billy Joel, just like, I love it.

[Eric Edelstein]

You know, when I was a kid, these are all root causes because I love going to shows by myself and people are like, how long have you done that? 10 years from. Nope. I went to Billy Joel on the Storm Front Tour by myself because no kids would go. I was probably 12 years old and my mom said, well, I guess we can get you a single ticket. Rick and Sherry Jackson are going, but you won't be sitting with them. And I'm like, that's fine. So I was like a 12 year old kid by myself at Billy Joel Storm Front Tour. So I'm deeply in with your album. I also went to the Moving Out Live Broadway show and you better believe Billy played. I love Billy. Steve, I bet you don't love Billy.

[Steve Berg]

No.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Why not?

[Eric Edelstein]

I love Billy because he's, he's can't love Billy. It's not punk enough for him.

[Steve Berg]

No, shut up, shut up. I mean, like, not everyone has like, I like Elton John. He's not punk.

[Eric Edelstein]

I'll take Billy over.

[Steve Berg]

It's more of a thing that his music doesn't appeal to me. But that's, that's, that's okay. We all have so much more than Uptown Girl.

[Eric Edelstein]

And the funny thing with Billy is like, did you watch the documentary on him?

[Steve Berg]

I actually, I did because my wife likes him and so she made me watch it. I enjoyed the documentary because I'll watch any documentary about musicians. That's like my favorite genre in the world.

[Eric Edelstein]

And he's truly.

[Steve Berg]

I thought it was well done.

[Eric Edelstein]

You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just might be a lunatic. You're looking for the song.

[Steve Berg]

The song Rock. I'll tell you what. My. My like MK Ultra activation song is Hard Attack. You want to know the. Must Kill.

[Eric Edelstein]

Must kill the Queen.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, it's my. Yeah.

[Eric Edelstein]

Okay. Well, Miranda, we're Billy Joel and Steve's wrong.

[Steve Berg]

That's fine.

[Eric Edelstein]

Break us off with a book. And then

[Miranda (Caller)]

one of my all time favorite books is. I mean, I love the Golden Compass series by Philip Pullman. They're like a young reader series, but they.

[Steve Berg]

Sure, yeah, fantasy stuff.

[Miranda (Caller)]

So great movie. Is definitely a Knight's tale. All time favorite movie.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, with Heath Ledger.

[Eric Edelstein]

I've never seen that.

[Steve Berg]

I remember it was controversial when it came out because he had modern music done by Queen. Am I right?

[Miranda (Caller)]

Yes. I mean, it's very anachronistic. They've got Queen, they've got David Bowie.

[Steve Berg]

And they were kind of the first ones to do that where they were taking like modern music and placing it in like a period thing. And then that became kind of trendy.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Yeah, people, it's got a very poor Rotten Tomatoes score, which I think is an absolute shame. It's my all time favorite movie. It's the 25th anniversary of its release this year and I went to a 25th anniversary screening at a community theater in Toronto. So fun.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, how cool. So people were mad that they had Queen. How can you get mad? What do they want? Like a loot and a liar.

[Steve Berg]

And that's what they wanted. They want a loot and a liar.

[Eric Edelstein]

I was everything better.

[Steve Berg]

I was at Umami Burger with one Jacobus Johnson name drop when he. We found out that Heath Ledger died. And I remember we were both like. And we were both like, God, this is kind of hitting us hard. Even though we weren't like, you know, like Ledger heads. But we were both like, ah, he's a good guy.

[Eric Edelstein]

He was a really good actor.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah.

[Eric Edelstein]

Did you ever see. And I'm sorry, Miranda, I promise, you know, but you broke your body. You know who we are. Did you ever see the footage when they told Jack Nicholson Heath led Ledger passed away. I told him it's truly pretty amazing. And I think about it as somebody that plays a lot of bad guys. And that was. Jack Nicholson gave a lot of advice to Heath Ledger. Don't get too into the Joker. Learn how to decompress and let those vibes go. Because he's sitting out there. You can find this footage easily. He's in Paris. He walks out for a smoke and starts signing autographs and the paparazzi. What about Heath Ledger? What about him like he just died. And then he just pauses and he goes, I told him. I told him. Basically saying, don't turn into the joker. Leave that shit on set. Don't drive, always listen to Joker. And like, I see people play bad guys that torture themselves, and I worry about them all. Be method acting like me, play a bad guy, then go home, blast Neil Young, have fun, and hang out with the people you're just terrorizing on set. Because we're just playing make believe. We're playing pretend. But watch that Jack Nicholson Heathley ledger footage. It's pretty darn wild. Okay, what about an album? You're crushing it so far.

[Steve Berg]

Miranda, she already mentioned an album.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Which one?

[Steve Berg]

Stoner.

[Eric Edelstein]

What?

[Steve Berg]

Billy Joel.

[Eric Edelstein]

Okay, so all we have left is food. We got book. I admit it. I admit it. It's early. I just think to honor Steve. And Steve's curious anyway, he's been wanting to ask this the whole time, but this is also a great way to know you because there's difference between a pizza person and a burger person and a souvlaki person and sushi. And, you know, you're on a desert island, you can only have one food item.

[Steve Berg]

That's a. It's a vending machine.

[Eric Edelstein]

I'm going to ask Steve that. Steve, you're. You can only have one food on a desert island. What is Steve, bird picking? I think a lot of us don't know. My gut feeling I'm going to say what my guess is after you go. But I'm genuinely curious.

[Steve Berg]

Well, see, okay, I'm thinking of, like, what I'm not gonna get tired of and what is gonna have. What's gonna have all the nutrients I need. I think it would be like a really fine chicken shawarma plate with, like, roasted vegetables, that yellow rice, really nice cooked chicken shawarma. Got the protein, got the starch, got the vegetables. That's what it would be. With a nice yogurt tahini sauce. Good God. That's absolutely what I'm getting after this.

[Eric Edelstein]

I don't think you're gonna get sick that, brother.

[Steve Berg]

It's hard, like, like halal cartoon stuff, you know, like that, that. That's kind of like the food I'm eating the most right now. It's clean Mediterranean diet, you know, and it's delicious always. I can eat it every day.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, that's exciting. All right, Miranda, what. What's your food dish?

[Miranda (Caller)]

I think my mom makes probably the best chicken wings in the world. Everyone maybe says that, but she like, she broil double broils them so all the fat comes off.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Steve Berg]

You render that stuff and they're not.

[Miranda (Caller)]

It's a honey garlic chicken sauce, and it's just truly the best. All other chicken wings are written for me.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah. Yep. When you double broil, you're really rendering all the fat off, and that's making that skin really thin and crispy. She knows what she's doing. That's how I do it. Sometimes I broiled, then put it on the grill just for those marks. Oh, God, I'm starving. That sounds so good. But, Miranda, we're not here to talk about culinary delight. We are here to help you with a little bit.

[Eric Edelstein]

They listen to the show. It's 30% of where we end up, buddy. I figure we should just lean into it now, you know?

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, that's true.

[Eric Edelstein]

Dead man's Curve. You just turn more and you're fine.

[Steve Berg]

It's all food advice from here on out.

[Eric Edelstein]

Yeah, please, we're here to food talk to you.

[Steve Berg]

Brandon.

[Eric Edelstein]

What's cooking, friend?

[Miranda (Caller)]

Oh, my gosh. Well, you're not just helping me today. You are helping the Toronto Fringe Festival today. I work for the truck.

[Eric Edelstein]

How honored.

[Miranda (Caller)]

I work for the Toronto Fringe Festival. I do. It's true.

[Steve Berg]

Could you. I know what that is. Can you please explain to the listeners what the Toronto Fringe Festival is?

[Miranda (Caller)]

Yeah, of course I can. So we are an independent? Well, we're a part of an organization of fringe festivals. Fringe festivals. The Toronto Fringe Festival is an unjurried festival which people can submit through a lottery, get their show chosen and produce it under the heading of the Toronto Fringe festival. We're at 27 different venues across the city this summer over about two weeks, going from June 30 to July 12. I work as the patron services coordinator, so I'm exhausted. We're about to do staff training and it's all exhausting, but it's very fun and we're very excited, and we have invited a curse into our office.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Eric Edelstein]

Hold on. Miranda, I have one really nerdy question for you. Is one of your venues potentially going to be Massey Hall?

[Miranda (Caller)]

No, it's not.

[Eric Edelstein]

I need this. There's this important Neil Young bootleg Live from Massey hall, and it's incredible. Steve, right when he was getting.

[Steve Berg]

If you could help Eric track that down, that would be bonus points. I will write you a. I will write you a personal check if you can get that for Steve.

[Eric Edelstein]

No pressure. We just have to say the Toronto Fringe Festival right now. Are. Are you up to it? Buddy.

[Steve Berg]

On this Friday morning, I. Eric, I would love.

[Eric Edelstein]

This is huge.

[Steve Berg]

We should do a two man.

[Eric Edelstein]

You and I are the friendliest people. But that's only because we're not counting Canada. Minnesota's partially so friendly because they're so close to Canada. Same with the Northwest. That's right. We love Canada. We review the Altar of Tegan and Sarah. Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, the Toronto Raptors, Vancouver Grizzlies, Ripley. What kind of curse? Yes, I respect. Oh, I heard they just crushed it. Four incredible shows. I. My buddy's like, I wasn't even that big a Rush fan. It was one of the best things.

[Steve Berg]

I'm not either, but I like them. You know what I'm saying?

[Eric Edelstein]

I like and respect. It's. It's. It's high mind music.

[Steve Berg]

It is high mind.

[Eric Edelstein]

It's high mind. You don't find a lot of idiots in a Prague rock is how I'll

[Steve Berg]

put it in the limelight. The universal dream.

[Eric Edelstein]

We've now paid tribute and honor to Canada. Miranda Friend, what kind of curse did you bring in? A Toronto fringe. Friend, what is going on?

[Miranda (Caller)]

First off, I have to defend. It wasn't me personally. This is all one of our co leads I will blame for inviting the curse in. And we've all kind of now taken up a shared mantle of caring for the host of this curse. So the story starts probably three. I think it was three years ago or two or three years ago, one of our co leads of the festival went to a value village and found a baby girl doll who we call Baby Girl Boy.

[Eric Edelstein]

Haven't you seen that movie? I think I've died in that movie. Like, come on.

[Miranda (Caller)]

It gets worse.

[Eric Edelstein]

Derail a hit. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Keep going. No, I'm already scared.

[Miranda (Caller)]

She had. She had three faces.

[Eric Edelstein]

You can wait.

[Steve Berg]

What? Hold on. Is there like a face you could rotate?

[Miranda (Caller)]

You could. Exactly. You could rotate the head and it would change what face was going on.

[Steve Berg]

Are they like different moods? Like happy face mood.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Different moods. One was happy, one was sad, one was, like, terrifying.

[Eric Edelstein]

It was all evil.

[Miranda (Caller)]

It was very creepy. She was a bit of an icon, but they decided to basically buy her and give her away as a prize at one of the artist events. Because we host a bunch of fun, silly artist events throughout the festival where artists can come and be like, come see my show, come see my show. And one of the events, this was the prize. So the company won. Baby Girl took her on tour, gave us like a photo album of her time on tour. And then mailed her back to us. So we got her back, and then.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, boy.

[Miranda (Caller)]

I'm sorry. It keeps going. Last year, we gave her out as a prize again, because at that point, it was traditional. And then she went out for a night on the town with the company who won her after the second year, and throughout the night, lost an arm and a leg and basically disintegrated.

[Steve Berg]

The person or the doll?

[Miranda (Caller)]

The doll. The doll.

[Steve Berg]

Thank God, right?

[Eric Edelstein]

We can celebrate that. Focus on the donut.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Miranda (Caller)]

And then this year, we reached out to the company saying, whatever happened to Baby Girl? We don't know. And they told us what had happened, that she had kind of fallen apart. And then as an apology, they sent us a new cursed doll, who I think is creepier because she has the face of a baby but the body of a toddler. And she's kneeling. Like, she's, like, praying, but her hands aren't quite touching. She's just so creepy.

[Eric Edelstein]

Do we have a picture of this doll? I'm already so scared. I almost don't want to see this.

[Steve Berg]

So, wait, wait, wait, wait. So when you were sent this doll, is it you? That's. That's. That's believing this is curse, or they're like, hey, we say. So you open up a box with a little note that says, like, hey, we sent you a new curse doll. Have fun. Hope you have a good French festival, honey.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Nobody has said she's cursed, but you look at her and you know she's cursed.

[Steve Berg]

I am looking at her. And yes, you're right.

[Eric Edelstein]

Maybe because she has evil, terrifying eyes. Maybe that's part of it. Like, are you kidding? Oh, God. Ew.

[Steve Berg]

Ew.

[Eric Edelstein]

I don't want to look at it. I don't want to look at it anymore. I'm looking away.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, I see why you think that.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Yeah. Now, definitely there is a new element of this, which is I know for a fact staff now have been taking Baby Girl. We call her Baby Girl Reincarnated. This new1, or BBGR, have been taking her and hiding her around the office and leaving little notes for people saying, come find me. And people will see. Spell it out in Bananagrams letters in the office. It's very. Like, most of it's in, like, good spirits for, like, a fun and silly tradition. But I'm also. I'm typically not a supernatural or superstitious person. But I'm also aware of the fact that, like, first off, theaters get so many ghosts. We're so close already.

[Steve Berg]

Every theater I've ever been in claims to be haunted. I can say that comfortably.

[Miranda (Caller)]

The only superstitions I really actually adhere to, our ones related to theater because it's so part of my life.

[Steve Berg]

Because they're true. I agree. I agree. I agree.

[Miranda (Caller)]

And, you know, I guess we're just. We're really close to the festival now. We have, like, 123 shows in the festival.

[Eric Edelstein]

Wow. How cool.

[Miranda (Caller)]

I just want to make sure everyone's protected, you know, we can play around with bgr. We can have a good time with her. We can include her. We don't want her to feel excluded, especially. She's kind of part of the fabric of our team now a little bit. But I also don't want to invite anything too dangerous.

[Steve Berg]

You would like to render this doll inert? Yeah, so to speak.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Like, I want the final.

[Eric Edelstein]

You're an expert. My first instinct is, what if we could rope off a seat for her opening night and give her the respect she deserves? And will it scare people? Sure, but it saves lives.

[Steve Berg]

I. I like. Look, I think probably. I think Eric is really onto something. I'm gonna put a quick pin in Eric's thing. Eric, remember what you just said? So my friends Dana and Greg Newkirk, who they actually host a very, very successful tour tour around the country called the Haunted Objects Tour.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, shit.

[Steve Berg]

Get them for fringe, and they bring all kinds of objects that have been sent to them that they claim are haunted and paranormal activity happens around them. But they know how supposedly to render haunted objects inert. So. And the thing is, like, you can look them up. Greg and Dana Newkirk, Haunted Objects. They have a podcast. They will take it for sure, and they will fix it. They what? But what they use is a form of chaos magic call. And they do a basic banishing ritual. And a banishing ritual is something that magicians use after they conjure something. They banish it. So I can't. So it goes away. It's exactly what it sounds like. So you could look up now. I. I don't know if you want to, like, dig deeper into occult practices. I don't think there's anything to be scared of. That's just me. But, like, there is banishing rituals. You can probably find on Google that you. And you could actually make this part of, like, the theater show. Like, especially, like, during one of the shows, maybe the year ends. Like, hey, we're gonna do a group project. We're gonna do a banishing ritual on stage, and we're gonna ask for audience participation to focus and Help us banish the curse from this doll. And then like Eric said, you also part of doing this, the real thing that I think will work is that you're making it into a bit. I think comedy is comedy. Comedy is a great way to battle negativity, fear and whatever. You know, you, however you think of evil, whatever I do think, doing bits and being light with it. If, if, if you were scared of it, the, the fear will only increase. But if, if you can like figure out how to turn it into a bit in a joke which you're already doing with the notes around the office, I think that is the way to go.

[Miranda (Caller)]

She's a central character on our, on our Instagram posts as well.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're already halfway there. I know I would. I think the final nail in the coffin for this little creepazoid doll is to bring it into the festival on the stage and ask for a thing. And also like if I'm an audience member and before a show starts or after a show starts or if it's just like the introduction night and they ask all of us to participate in a banishing ritual for a haunted doll, that is a show I would remember the rest of my life. So I think not only are you maybe addressing the problem, you're also creating theater around it which is in the spirit of the French Festival. That seems like a no brainer to me would be to make it into like this light hearted thing. Not serious. You don't want to scare the audience. I think the, I think the more like theory you feel towards it, well, it'll only increase. So I do think treating it as a bit laughing about it and giving people a extra little like appetizer of theater. Who wouldn't love that? And theaters are haunted anyways. It's like, it's a fun part of the theater tradition when you're an actor or you're in the theater. It is, it just is. Like everyone, even comedy clubs like, oh, it's haunted. There's an the janitor apparition of, you know, you know, Wilford Brimley the other night.

[Eric Edelstein]

I'd pay extra for that. I would too.

[Steve Berg]

I would too.

[Eric Edelstein]

Yelling you about his diabetes. Oh, you have diabetes?

[Steve Berg]

Oh, if you have diabetes, you know

[Eric Edelstein]

you're going to eat that.

[Steve Berg]

But that's the thing for incredible. I think in the spirit of what's happening up in Toronto, this beautiful festival, weave it into and make theater out of the stall. That would be my recommendation.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Yeah, I think that's definitely a good route for us to go. I like also the idea of, like, having a designated spot for her at our. Like, maybe in our. In our office where we're. Where we're located during the festival itself. Just so she feels centered.

[Steve Berg]

You can live stream it for this little creep, this little creepy doll, rope off a. You know, put a little piece of tape on one of the seats that says reserved and place her in it for a couple of the shows. I think weaving it into the fabric of what's going on at the Fringe Festival and turning this curse into theater would, like, look, art conquers all people. It's the most powerful thing we have in this world. This is what makes humans human. So I would grab the sword of art and go into battle, which is, you know, which is the theater way, you know, it is. It's what us thespians do.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Yes. And we love a bit. There's nothing that we love a bit. There's nothing that loves more than a bit.

[Steve Berg]

Of course.

[Eric Edelstein]

Now, let me throw this out there. What about after this year's festival, which was gonna be incredibly successful, now that we've cleared the energy of this doll, what if we send this doll for two weeks to little Stevie Berg? Let him experiment with it, let him look at it, let him render it inert.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah.

[Eric Edelstein]

Get that energy out and into Omaha.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah.

[Eric Edelstein]

I don't hate that idea.

[Steve Berg]

You.

[Eric Edelstein]

You send it insured. You send it to Steve Berg's P.O. box. Would you be comfortable sharing this sacred haunted doll with Stevie Berg?

[Miranda (Caller)]

I have. I. I think that would be great. I got to check in and make sure she's not a prize again for one of the artist events.

[Steve Berg]

Right.

[Eric Edelstein]

Find out if it is. We encourage that when we get it back from the prize, Steve can have a look at it or send it on its way out to be a prize. But just know this is what he does. This is his life's work. And I think that haunted doll would find a very happy temporary home in Omaha, Nebraska.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, I mean, I have a 401k wrapped up in this. I mean, like, it's my retirement plan. Like, I'm making six figures. I can. I can. And I'll study her. My wife will freak out. However, you know, she's used to it.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

We're here.

[Eric Edelstein]

Also, we want to let you know, for next year's Fringe Festival, 13ft Eric and Steve are shockingly available and shockingly affordable. If he needs to emcee a gala with this doll, I won't go near it. I won't touch it. But Steve Will interact with it. But we stand ready to come to Canada.

[Steve Berg]

And I do feel, Miranda, while I know there is like an application, like an audition, so to speak, situation with getting it, I feel like because we had this conversation with you, we kind of have it in a little bit.

[Eric Edelstein]

This was it. We won. Would you.

[Steve Berg]

Would you. Would you say that safe to say we have a little bit of an in with you.

[Miranda (Caller)]

I think that is safe to say you have an in with me. I could definitely connect you with some. Some good people. We are.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, my gosh.

[Eric Edelstein]

Toronto.

[Steve Berg]

13ft. Imagine 13ft. I want to start reading around Toronto, trying various poutines. Oh, getting in the mix. Are you kidding?

[Eric Edelstein]

I'm so in.

[Miranda (Caller)]

I don't want to crush your dreams. Part of being a part of a fringe festival is we have to be a lottery system. So I'm not 100 sure what it will look like, but this. There's always a Come buy the Toronto Fringe this year, next year. We would love that.

[Eric Edelstein]

I mean, or put us in the lottery. We'll. We'll come and help people live on stage and start looking at Canadian citizenship.

[Miranda (Caller)]

But also we could do. We could do like, special evening programming with you guys at our hub. We'll do whatever.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, yeah, we'll do the hottest comedy Toronto's ever seen. Although that's. That's saying a lot. You know, we got Marty Short, Katherine o', Hara, everybody.

[Eric Edelstein]

Ackroyd.

[Steve Berg]

There's some. All the great.

[Eric Edelstein]

All the great back. Dr.

[Steve Berg]

Evil, we got Austin power four.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, buddy.

[Steve Berg]

Coming out. This is. The timing couldn't be more perfect. This is what a fun call. Also, I love that you're doing. I love the. I never have done a fringe festival. Obviously. Edinburgh was always like the. The pie in the sky dream. Now, you know, now it's Toronto. Now it's Toronto. Also, a fun thing to do would be to like, maybe send this doll to other fringe festivals around the country. And then it's like a kind of like, it's like a traveling curse doll. That's kind of like part of the tradition of theater.

[Miranda (Caller)]

That was kind of what happened on her on the first baby girl's year when she went around because one of the companies was touring to a bunch of different fringe festivals across Canada. So she, she, she in her original form did. Did a bit of a tour. But it'd definitely be cool to get it. Get other. Other fringes that are part of the Canadian association of Fringe Festivals involved, I think.

[Steve Berg]

So it would just be fun. Like, I think, you know, like, look, I think, like. I think, like, taking the. The piss out of scary situations with, like, doing bits and comedy. I don't know. It's worked for me my whole life, man. When I'm scared, I have, like, I have a very good sense of gallows humor. Like, I was ghost hunting about five or six weeks ago. I was legit, like, nervous because the place is terrifying, and I pretty much annoyed all the ghost hunters because all I was doing was taking the piss out of the situation and, like, doing bits and like, which I thought I was. Honestly, I thought I was bringing the high heat. My A game. They were not laughing. They didn't like my. My. My jokes. Although, Eric, I was killing.

[Eric Edelstein]

Dude, I. That. That's on.

[Steve Berg]

I was on fire. I was on.

[Eric Edelstein]

They don't deserve you, babe. They don't deserve you. They were vaping jokes while ghost hunting. Go to hell.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, look, look. People who are wearing corn or slipknot shirts, they. They do not like my vibe, I'll tell you that.

[Eric Edelstein]

No, they never will, Steve.

[Steve Berg]

No, they never will. They never will. People are into rap metal. Don't like me. I found out.

[Eric Edelstein]

No, but aren't you glad?

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, I've kind of cultivated that, I suppose.

[Eric Edelstein]

Yeah, that's on me. Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

You're.

[Eric Edelstein]

You're on the fringes. Our friend Miranda's in the fringe and weird here to help. And we want to thank you so much for calling in Miranda. And we want a full update. And if there's a way to get that haunted doll to Stevie Berg in Omaha, we would love it.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Absolutely.

[Steve Berg]

We can give you my P.O. box.

[Miranda (Caller)]

We'll take lots of photos of baby girl throughout the Fringe and make sure it all gets to you.

[Steve Berg]

Please do. We will.

[Eric Edelstein]

Please just.

[Miranda (Caller)]

And if we'll. We'll try to get a banishment ritual in as well at some of our artist events, and then I think really do.

[Steve Berg]

They're not hard to find. They're pretty run of the mill these days.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Just your run of the mill banishment

[Steve Berg]

ritual, Run of the mill management ritual.

[Eric Edelstein]

It's run of the mill to Steve.

[Steve Berg]

My Google searches are not normal.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, you're being tracked for sure. You're flagged. Yeah.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely flying. Well, Miranda, thank you so much. Please let us know how the festival goes and what you guys, how you ended up treating the little psychopath doll. I mean, truly scary. Although I'm glad it's not the Three face doll, because honestly, that mood face doll, that is. I don't scare easy, but, boy, I Wouldn't want you to send that to me. I'll be in a disintegrated.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Yeah, she was like. She was. I mean they're both creepy in their own rights. They both have their own claims to fame in terms of the creep world, but.

[Steve Berg]

And you know, just to circle back and bookend this, I'm going to quote the great Steve Malchus when he said, what about the voice of Getty Lee? How did it get so high? I wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy. I know him and he does. And you're my fact checking cuz.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, that is good.

[Steve Berg]

I could cry. Sorry, I just got emotional. I just got emotional. Well, Miranda, this is a great call. Enjoy the festival. I hope it goes absolutely amazing. I hope you guys make some money and keep on doing it forever. And we're definitely gonna need you to grease some wheels for Eric and I to come to the show next year.

[Miranda (Caller)]

I'll get you in touch with, with my people. My people will be in touch with your people.

[Steve Berg]

We don't do lotteries, so, you know, it's it. It's gonna have to be offer only, but. Yeah, well, I'm kidding. But we will. But we are interested. No joke.

[Eric Edelstein]

Have fun with that great Neil Young. I was born in Ontario, where the black fly bites and the green grass grows. That's where I learned most of what I know because you don't learn much when you start to get old. I was born in Ontario. We want to come to Ontario, friend.

[Steve Berg]

Let's make. We do. We do. Make. Make. Get us there.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Okay, I will get all your shoulders,

[Steve Berg]

Miranda, on your shoulders. No pressure.

[Eric Edelstein]

The weight of the world in this haunted doll rests on you, friend.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Oh God. Okay, well, good luck with the festival.

[Steve Berg]

Have a good one, sister act.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Thank you so much. Have a good day.

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[Christian (Caller)]

claim your domain, showcase your offerings with

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

a professional website, grow your brand, and get paid all in one place. I like that. It's all in one place. I don't. I like that I don't have to go around, you know, like, different stores or something. It's just all.

[Steve Berg]

Well, it's like, oh, do I need

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

to go to, like, a.

[Christian (Caller)]

Do I need another type of website

[Steve Berg]

to, like, find the right pictures or

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

to, like, another type of website to upload? Yeah, no, it's all in one place.

[Steve Berg]

The video or the audio or, like.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

No, I want.

[Steve Berg]

It makes it easy.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Make it easy on me, please. Yes. And you can do all those things. Photos, videos, changing fonts, you know, I mean, the designs are amazing. They're catering to all your different needs. Their SEO tools, which. I know what those are. And their custom domains. Oh, let's come up with a domain right now.

[Christian (Caller)]

I wonder if it exists.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Www.friendsmeeting friends. Friends meeting friends.com. that's an original thing that we came up with. Friends meeting friends. Anyway, so check out squarespace.com headgum for a free trial, and when you're ready to launch, use offer code HEADGUM. Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Hell, sounds easy. Anybody could do it.

[Steve Berg]

Well, hello, my friend. You have found yourself another episode of Weird. Here to help with your friends, Eric Edelstein and little Stevie Berg. Friend, what is your name and where are you calling from?

[Christian (Caller)]

My name is Christian, and I'm calling from Orange County, California.

[Steve Berg]

Orange County. All right. Or, you know, it was kind of the cradle of Southern California punk rock back in the early 80s. You got black Flag, you got the Descendants, you got the Vandals.

[Eric Edelstein]

Asian, Orange County, Asia, Orange.

[Steve Berg]

Absolutely.

[Christian (Caller)]

No doubt.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, we don't need to mention them.

[Eric Edelstein]

You didn't like your first album?

[Steve Berg]

No, not at all. Not for Magic Kingdom.

[Eric Edelstein]

It's a whole play on Disney.

[Steve Berg]

Steve, that is unimpressive to me, but I will be. So what's your first off? What's your favorite Orange county punk band?

[Christian (Caller)]

Probably the Vandals.

[Steve Berg]

Good call. Vandals are cool. I used. I love them when I was a little kid. Yeah, I used to have a Descendants shirt when I was 12 years old. I thought it was pretty cool. I think I also had it. I. I also had a skateboard. And I remember I wrote because I was trying to be punk rock and I wrote Band b A N D the Bomb. Like, because I heard about band the Bomb. It was like a cool thing punk rock kid would say because it was during the 80s and my dad saw it on my skateboard. I wrote in a Sharpie and he's like, banned the Bomb. It's banned the Bomb. And boy, did I feel like an idiot. Anyways, okay, but that's not. We're not. We're not, you know, reliving my, you know, my punk rock roots. Friend. If you run a desert island and you could take one film once or premium television show, a book and an album, what would they be? Let's start with album.

[Christian (Caller)]

Album. Does live recordings of the Grateful Dead count?

[Steve Berg]

Sure, buddy.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, you are, buddy.

[Steve Berg]

You are. Yes, it does. In fact, you get bonus points out of the gate already.

[Christian (Caller)]

Okay, perfect.

[Steve Berg]

Then it's be very, very specific with the year and everything.

[Christian (Caller)]

7:24, 87 Oakland Coliseum.

[Steve Berg]

Okay, hold on.

[Eric Edelstein]

Wow.

[Steve Berg]

What he the air. Okay, first off, I want to point out a couple things. 99% of deadheads are going to give you a show from 72, 74 or 77, myself included. Very few people are going to give you an album from the Touch Head era. And that you just. I don't know if you know this, my friend. I bought Eric a Brent Midland T shirt.

[Eric Edelstein]

I wish I was wearing that. I want that one. I want that one.

[Steve Berg]

Eric is the card carry member of the Brett Midland fan club.

[Eric Edelstein]

Christian. I just lost out on a Brent Midland bobblehead on ebay. It was the last one. I waited. I was doing low ball offers. Also, I will say this. When I went to what we thought two summers ago were the last dead shows at the Oracle park, my buddy Scott Sayer and I, the morning of the show, we knew the only place we could go, we went visited Brent, we went to Branson.

[Christian (Caller)]

I was also at that show. And I got to sit next to Bill Walton.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, my God.

[Eric Edelstein]

Exactly where you were sitting then, brother.

[Steve Berg]

I'm not even joking. You could not have referenced two people more in Eric's wheelhouse than Brett Midland and Bill 1.

[Christian (Caller)]

That's incredible.

[Eric Edelstein]

And Bill knew and Bill knew and I. Bill was a personal hero. I got to talk to him on the phone once. And Chris, I don't know if you've seen the three part 30 for 30 series on Bill, the luckiest man alive. I actually bought it. I bought it on Apple. It's one of those things I put on after my wife goes to bed just to feel great. Bill, I've been watching probably more than Anyone else is the person I most aspire to be like. And I'm sad because I'm seeing Bob Dylan. I don't know if you're going, brother. I'm going to Bob Dylan Saturday and Sunday after going to Santa Barbara two nights ago. And I know Bill would have been there because his big three were the dead. Neil Young, Bob Dylan.

[Christian (Caller)]

I am not. But I should have looked up that.

[Eric Edelstein]

Yeah, well, San Diego's not sold out, friend. That's just a little, little hop, skip and a jump for you.

[Steve Berg]

Okay, so I, I, I. Okay, we. Boy, we could just do a whole episode. No, no, no. Don't be sorry.

[Eric Edelstein]

I mean, let me in.

[Steve Berg]

No, no, no, no, no. Rein myself in. I'm gonna. Just one more thing before we move on. Was hell in the bucket on that set list?

[Christian (Caller)]

No, no. My brother Esau is, though, which is Eric.

[Steve Berg]

Okay, this is so hard to move on for this, especially for a couple dead heads. Like.

[Christian (Caller)]

And to answer your other questions, I've thought a lot about this. Party down is my premium television show.

[Steve Berg]

Great, great, great, great.

[Christian (Caller)]

My book is Bad Karma by Paul Wilson. It's about a surf trip to Mexico that goes horribly wrong.

[Steve Berg]

You sound like a cool dude, man. You, I'll tell you what. You, you, you, you would be. You would be a grade three in. And me and Eric hang right Completely.

[Eric Edelstein]

We'll see you at a concert one day. Life's fun.

[Steve Berg]

Absolutely.

[Christian (Caller)]

Absolutely. Well, and I'm up for it whenever. So you guys tell me when and where.

[Steve Berg]

Hell yeah, Christian. So talk to us about what's going on, man. How can we help you today, pal?

[Christian (Caller)]

Okay, so before the question, just want to tee up, like, I have two boys. They're great, five and 10. My oldest is non verbal and on the autism spectrum. And my youngest is a completely neurotypical kid. But my youngest and my oldest seem to have telepathic communication. And there was a podcast that came out about kids with autism who are not autopsy.

[Steve Berg]

The telepathy tapes.

[Christian (Caller)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Eric Edelstein]

I heard that was incredible.

[Steve Berg]

I'm familiar.

[Christian (Caller)]

My wife and I do not have it. And my old. My youngest will just get up off the couch and be like, brother wants a snack. Go outside. Because he knows that his brother's gonna do something bad. He'll be like, I'll be like, do you want to go do this? And I'll be like, no, I'm gonna stay in and watch on, brother. But I want to a know how I can encourage my youngest son to continue to develop out his telepathic connection with his brother. But also B, what can my wife and I do to build it out in ourselves? Because we don't have it.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

He.

[Christian (Caller)]

My son communicates with an AAC device, which is an iPad that you could type into. So he types to communicate with us, but I want him in my brain. Come on.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah.

[Christian (Caller)]

How do I get linked up?

[Steve Berg]

Wow. Well, I mean, okay. Oh boy. You know, okay.

[Eric Edelstein]

Awesome.

[Steve Berg]

The first thing, there is a wonderful researcher named Dr. Russell Targ, who worked at the Stanford Research center in the 70s and 80s and did a lot of studies on parapsychology and like legit study. This is, this is at Stanford.

[Eric Edelstein]

It's not like what Venkman was doing in Ghostbusters. It is.

[Steve Berg]

I mean. Well, no, no, it really, it was actually. But it was being funded by a, you know, high profile college, so. Which was probably funded by some nefarious organization.

[Eric Edelstein]

You beat me to that.

[Steve Berg]

We won't get too deep into that. We don't need to talk about my paranoia. But there are something called a Zener card. You mentioned Ghostbusters, funnily enough, Eric. But one of the ways a lot of these researchers say to develop psychic abilities and work on it, like to flex the muscle, is to use Zener cards. And do you know what a Zener card is, my friend?

[Christian (Caller)]

I do not. And I'm pretty. I have like crystals and palo Santos and like. Sure, I, I wanna, I wanna learn.

[Steve Berg]

So if you think about the very like the, the very beginning of Ghostbusters when Dr. You know, Bill Murray is showing those two test subjects, he's these cards with symbols on them.

[Christian (Caller)]

Oh yeah.

[Steve Berg]

And they're trying to guess what's behind them. The, these are actual ways. At Stanford, they, they, they were having people with psychic abilities come in and they had test subjects who weren't psychic, but they found like, you know, practicing a layup, practicing with center cards, they found that there was actually legitimate results and there was, there was actually like peer reviewed papers written about it. So I, I would say pick up some Zener cards, man. You can order that on Amazon. Probably get a Father's day discount if you do it. Now. I would start there and. But like, I do think like, you know, I think there is something to certain people having these abilities. You know, I mean, like even like, you know, local police, you know, police. I mean like there's. In Omaha, they used a psychic once to find a dead body in the Missouri River. And they had been dragging the river trying to find it. And then they finally like got desperate, found a Local psychic and the psychic found it like in an hour. That's incredible. But like police departments actually. I mean like there's many cases where, you know, missing kids and stuff like that. They'll use remote viewers to find it. They found a missing MiG airplane during the Cold War that went down by using remote viewers. Found it in the ocean. They found out before the Russians that

[Eric Edelstein]

Major Ed Dames, Steve from the Great.

[Steve Berg]

No, that's not major. That's not Major Ed Dames.

[Eric Edelstein]

Did he ever find anything, Steve?

[Steve Berg]

No, he just made terrible apocalyptic predictions.

[Eric Edelstein]

I think we just lost Major Ed Dames. We also, sadly, since we're talking about that iconic Ghostbusters scene, we lost Jennifer Runyon in March, the actress in that scene who I remember having a big crush on when Ghostbusters came out and I didn't really even understand what I was feeling. That was neither here nor there. Oh, big time. Still does.

[Steve Berg]

Great movie.

[Eric Edelstein]

Kidding. There is Dana only Zuul. The other thing Christian I'd recommend is if you're already woo woo. Do you have a meditation practice? I always feel like that kind of just lifts the veil back a little bit. I would dial deeply into that.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, I think you're right about that.

[Christian (Caller)]

I do. And I'm, you know, finding bodies would be cool. It's mostly snack based right now. So I would like to encourage him.

[Eric Edelstein]

Well, what do you think's more important to Stevie Berg, baby?

[Steve Berg]

Come on.

[Eric Edelstein]

You could send him off to find me some quinoa and red millet with just a little bit of bean. Ooh, that kid is golden. But like you can increase this stuff. And I also always think that little kids are always highly intuitive and then adults using 10% of their brains slowly tell them that that's crazy. But if you want, if you want to get really close to the veil, talk to a young kid about that stuff. And I think it's great that instead of him being discouraged from this glorious stuff, it's going to be encouraged with this meditation, the stuff Steve is talking about. Then I'm going to tell you what you're going to do as you. Because it's also your job to increase your child's psychic ability.

[Christian (Caller)]

Indeed.

[Eric Edelstein]

What you're gonna, what you're gonna do as you increase that psychic ability. You're gonna call me and I'm gonna start meeting you at Orange county casinos and we're gonna get filthy stinking rich and I'll cut you in. I'll give you 10. 10.

[Steve Berg]

He'll cut him in often.

[Eric Edelstein]

That I can't do it off the top. I'm sorry. It's a whole thing with my account. You deal with him and her. But we need to start incredible child to make some money at casinos or sports gaming. What do you think?

[Christian (Caller)]

I'll meet you at Hawaiian Gardens. I'm going to need more than 10%.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Announcer/Ad Voice]

I'll.

[Steve Berg]

I'll age. I'll agent you on this, pay for it. We'll talk percentage of the numbers.

[Eric Edelstein]

You know, there's a way we can make a whole bunch of money here. And because my dad is actually a card counter and he's been kicked out of multiple casinos.

[Steve Berg]

Are you serious?

[Eric Edelstein]

So I know any. Yeah, the Danimals been kicked out of MO And I don't understand why he doesn't just get kicked out of everyone, make money, get kicked out over and over again. But I think it embarrasses him. But there, you know, if we can find a way to make a little bit of coin on this while increasing his psychic ability. But Kristen, just out the gates. You're such a good dad, and I love how you're handling this. And, you know, because a lot of too many parents probably not listen to our show, would be freaked out by this. And instead, I think it's golden that you want to increase it and then meet him where he is and get. Get a little bit more intuitive yourself because it can be increased. Steve's also going to tell you to smoke a bunch of weed.

[Steve Berg]

You don't do that.

[Eric Edelstein]

There's other.

[Steve Berg]

No, you weren't. That's just that. No, I was. I was going to mention. So mushrooms, your. Your son who is tapped in to your nonverbal son, you know, does he ever talk about having synchronicities? And if you don't know what a synchronicity is, here's an example. You think about an old friend from high school, and then 30 seconds later they call. Yet you haven't talked to him for 20 years. Do you know? You know what I'm saying?

[Christian (Caller)]

Not to that level. The first time he really just got off the couch and was like, I'm getting brother goldfish. And I was like, how did you know? And he just kind of shrugged and they keep getting more weird. And I don't think he. Since he's only 5, I don't think he really knows how to verbalize it yet.

[Steve Berg]

Right.

[Christian (Caller)]

But he's constantly thinking about his brother. And it's. It's very interesting to see how it's grown over the years. And most recently, like, I said it's been snack based and, and activity based. Like, I have to go make sure brother doesn't touch the tv, destroy the TV like that he's not covering on the carpet. But how he knows, I don't know.

[Steve Berg]

Well, you know, I mean, like, there are people who I, you know, like, and I don't know if this is part of the hard sciences, but there are people who I believe are, have like special empathic abilities that aren't necessarily woo woo or psychic, but they can read facial features, like little physical things. And sometimes there might be certain like, physical traits that he is recognizing that to him mean he's hungry, you know, like so, like, I wouldn't discount that, that he's just your, your son is a wildly empathic person, which is such a wonderful way to be, especially as a brother, like looking out for his brother. I mean, like, you couldn't ask for a more beautiful situation, man. Like, I, I, I love that. It's so cool.

[Christian (Caller)]

It's really cool. I don't know if he's as woo. Like, he's definitely not woo. My wife and I are woo. He wears golf shirts and told me, that's Orange County.

[Eric Edelstein]

It's undefeated.

[Steve Berg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Christian (Caller)]

I put him in a tie dye the other day to go to school and he cried. He said, I don't want to dress like dad. I want to be handsome.

[Eric Edelstein]

That's hysterical.

[Steve Berg]

No one wants to dress like your dad, though. My dad dressed like a nerd. I wouldn't do anything.

[Christian (Caller)]

No matter how rad you think you are, your children will rebel in the other direction. He likes golf.

[Eric Edelstein]

Rad. Kristen, you know this. You know Brent, you gave us a Brent Live show.

[Steve Berg]

Are you kind of circling back to your, like, part of your question where you said, how do my wife and I kind of tap into this? Well, there's a wonderful guy named. Oh my God, now I'm forgetting his name. Oh yeah, Dr. Jeffrey Kripal Rice University. And he is a pretty famous guy. And he is a, you know, academic, you know, by the books guy, but he studies a lot of the subject of synchronicities and kind of like, you know, like, you know, science of the impossible and that's kind of how he frames it. But he and Carl Jung both said the more consciousness expanding research you do, the more synchronicities start popping off in your life. So he, to him, he's like, if you're meditating, if you're reading about anything that's consciousness expanding or like learning something new Synchronicities start to pop up.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

He, he.

[Steve Berg]

They actually phrase it as a synchronicity generator. And synchronicity is directly related to kind of the psychic realm. So that would be my, like, you know, it's. It's kind of boring. But if there's a subject matter that is in the kind of consciousness expanding realm, even like a UFO history book or something like that, try reading that and then every time you have a synchronicity, write it down. Have a synchronicity journal.

[Christian (Caller)]

Amazing.

[Steve Berg]

And then I. Then you can start like collecting data on yourself and then start noticing when these things pop up and then lean into whatever is happening when those things pop up.

[Eric Edelstein]

Well, I will also add. Sorry, Christian, didn't mean to. Go ahead, brother.

[Christian (Caller)]

I'm looking at a book called Psychic Migrations right now that I have not yet cracked. So I will definitely.

[Eric Edelstein]

There's your synchronicity. You're being that supported right now.

[Steve Berg]

Yes.

[Eric Edelstein]

I also love and I made Steve do, do a chant once. There's a Dr. Wayne Dyer, May perhaps, you know, he's a PBS TV special, you know, stalwart. Him and Rick Steves are on there a lot. We lost Wayne. He has this crazy meditation called Meditations for Manifesting. It's like four bucks audiobook. But he talks about doing this meditation. I would say probably any meditation allows you to start to manage the coincidences and the synchronicity in your life. And I have found that to be very, very true. I will also do this crazy thing and visualize stuff. And it is crazy, the stuff that has happened down to doing a tire commercial. Shohei Ohtani, who left Orange County. I'm sorry, but Artie Moreno didn't want to match his salary. That's neither here nor there. But look into both of those young and give Dr. Wayne Dyer spin. Because I've certainly had results with his meditation and managing some of the synchronicity in my life. And anyone's questioning it. You're listening to me now.

[Steve Berg]

That's right. That's right.

[Eric Edelstein]

Results.

[Steve Berg]

Who's got egg in their face?

[Eric Edelstein]

Come on. They do. They do.

[Announcer/Ad Voice]

They do.

[Eric Edelstein]

They do. So, Christian, did this help you?

[Christian (Caller)]

Indeed. I'm going to start tracking synchronicities, expand my meditation practice and encourage it, my child. Hopefully for maybe not finding dead bodies, but other items related outside of Diet

[Eric Edelstein]

Coke and goldfish Paigao numbers at the Hawaiian Gardens casino and then also through the David lynch foundation. They start kids early with what they call a walking meditation. And that is something. And you don't need to pay money. There's a lot of places that do mindfulness. There's even that SOCA center that's in Orange county, the Buddhist one. But starting kids on a mindfulness routine and you're doing it with them can only increase those psychic pathways as well, I would guess.

[Christian (Caller)]

Amazing. And I'll throw some iron in my pocket too, just for good measure.

[Eric Edelstein]

Yeah, you never know what the fake. Always keep the bastards at bay.

[Steve Berg]

There's a documentary that I think would be of great interest to you that may lead you down some paths of strengthening your psychic abilities. And it's called Third Eye Spies.

[Eric Edelstein]

What? Yes, it's called an only fans account. I'm glad.

[Steve Berg]

It's about. It's about the government remote viewing programs. James is. James is a. Yeah. He was not in it. Okay. He was. He's a little bit.

[Eric Edelstein]

He might be our handler. Christian, be careful.

[Steve Berg]

I mean, it could be true. But I would. I would highly recommend watching that because I think it might give you some ideas and also just kind of like let you know maybe some of the mechanics behind some of these abilities that people have or claim to have. But interesting, I would really like to know, you know, give this a couple months. And I think it is one of these things where, like, the more you commit, the more. The more you'll find out, like, look, I'm not tapped in. It's never going to happen. Or you're like, oh, I'm getting a little better. And I would buy Zener cards. Like, I would do that today and start practicing.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Also.

[Steve Berg]

Zener cards, that's. It's a fun little game. Like, I used to have them as a kid and I would just like do it with my friends. I used to take him to school for inside recess and I used to give psychic tests to my friends.

[Eric Edelstein]

Oh, here's.

[Steve Berg]

Oh, wow. Oh, I love a young occultist. But, you know, there are these little things you can do. And I watch Third Eye Spies do some consciousness expanding research and get those Zener cards.

[Christian (Caller)]

Amazing. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate it.

[Steve Berg]

Of course.

[Eric Edelstein]

And I'll send you back, let you

[Christian (Caller)]

know how it's going. You as well.

[Steve Berg]

And Jerry. We trust. Christian.

[Christian (Caller)]

We are everywhere.

[Eric Edelstein]

Brent. We trust. And we are everywhere.

[Steve Berg]

We trust. Yeah. Yeah.

[Christian (Caller)]

Thanks, guys.

[Steve Berg]

All right, brother. Have a good one, man.

[Eric Edelstein]

We're Here to Help is hosted by Eric Edelstein and Steve Berg. If you'd like to be on the show, please email us your question@weird heretohelpmail.com.

[Miranda (Caller)]

hey, everyone, this is Whitney and Alexa, aka the Popcorn Queen and King.

[Eric Edelstein]

Hey, guys. We just wanted to thank you so much for all the love and support

[Steve Berg]

you've shown our family.

[Miranda (Caller)]

As many of you know from episodes 224 and 231, we're navigating Alexa's second kidney transplant journey.

[Steve Berg]

And that journey has really inspired us

[Eric Edelstein]

to create the Arana Kidney Recovery Foundation.

[Miranda (Caller)]

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[Eric Edelstein]

Now, whether it's lodging, transportation, groceries, or

[Steve Berg]

other essential expenses, we're here to help lighten the load.

[Miranda (Caller)]

If you'd like to support our mission, you can learn more or donate at a R a n a krf.org that's aranakrf.org thank you so much for being such an incredible community.

[Eric Edelstein]

And thank you for always being there to help.

[Miranda (Caller)]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Eric Edelstein]

And I'm Chris Sullivan. And we host the podcast that Was Us now on Headgum.

[Miranda (Caller)]

Each episode, we're going to go into a deep dive from our show.

[Christian (Caller)]

This is us.

[Steve Berg]

That's right.

[Miranda (Caller)]

We're going to go episode by episode. We're also going to pepper episodes with different guest stars and writers and casting directors.

[Eric Edelstein]

Are we gonna cry? Yes, a little bit. Are we gonna laugh a lot?

[Announcer/Ad Voice]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Announcer/Ad Voice]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Announcer/Ad Voice]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

I noticed that every every so often

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

I think let's commit to Jackass the Podcast. What was it going to be called? The Jackass Podcast Podcast. Without you, the IQ drops significantly.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

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[Steve Berg]

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[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Watch video episodes on YouTube and follow along with us on Instagram and tick tock@jackassthepodcast. What were we just talking about? Probably buttholes.