Alopecia, Confidence & Self-Love | Alex Youmazzo & Emmy Combs on Embracing Your Beauty

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Podcast Summary: "Alopecia, Confidence & Self-Love | Alex Youmazzo & Emmy Combs on Embracing Your Beauty"

Podcast Information:

• Title: We're Out of Time
• Host: Richard Taite
• Episode Title: Alopecia, Confidence & Self-Love | Alex Youmazzo & Emmy Combs on Embracing Your Beauty
• Release Date: July 22, 2025

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Introduction to Alopecia The episode begins with host Richard Taite introducing his guests, Alex Umatso and Emmy Combs, both prominent alopecia advocates and social media personalities. Richard sets the stage by highlighting their significant online followings—Alex with over 6 million TikTok followers and Emmy with over 11 million.

• [00:00] Richard Taite: "Alopecia advocates and social media personalities Alex Umatso and Emmy Combs. Join the we're out of Time podcast."
• [02:02] Alex Umatso: "Alopecia is an autoimmune disorder, so it causes us not to grow hair or to lose our hair."
• [02:21] Emmy Combs: "It's like our white blood cells are allergic to our hair. It thinks that it's wrong. It thinks that it needs to be gone out of the body."

Understanding Alopecia Alex and Emmy delve into the nature of alopecia, explaining its autoimmune basis and the different types they experience. Alex has Alopecia Universalis, resulting in complete hair loss over his entire body, diagnosed at the age of one. Emmy has Alopecia Totalis, predominantly affecting her scalp and sometimes facial hair, diagnosed at six years old.

• [02:12] Alex Umatso: "I have Alopecia universalis. So I have complete hair loss over the entire body."
• [02:15] Emmy Combs: "I have alopecia totalis. I have hair loss just on my head and sometimes on my face."

Early Life and Coping Mechanisms The conversation shifts to their childhood experiences with alopecia. Alex recounts how his parents educated him about potential bullying and encouraged resilience. Despite initial insecurities, Alex made a pivotal decision in high school to embrace his baldness, leading to increased confidence.

• [04:29] Emmy Combs: "I got alopecia when I was around 6 years old... I kind of was, like, okay with it 100% from the start."
• [07:46] Alex Umatso: "In my junior year of high school, I took off my wig. It was the biggest turning point in my life. I realized I didn't need to hide."

Dealing with Ignorance and Bullying Emmy discusses the challenges of ignorance rather than outright bullying. She emphasizes that many negative comments stem from a lack of understanding, highlighting the importance of educating others about alopecia.

• [08:25] Emmy Combs: "It's just about the comments. I think it's ignorance."
• [09:59] Alex Umatso: "It's the accountability too, to like, realize that we've had some people say something that they didn't realize maybe was like, so offensive."

Redefining Beauty and Empowerment A significant portion of the discussion focuses on how living with alopecia has reshaped their definitions of beauty. Both guests express that their experiences have become a source of empowerment, allowing them to highlight inner beauty and self-confidence over societal standards.

• [10:59] Alex Umatso: "With alopecia, I've found more of myself. We really glow from the inside out."
• [11:18] Richard Taite: "Everything's different now, right? When I was a kid, you had to be thin, now there's voluptuous, and bald is beautiful."

Building Community and Advocacy Both Alex and Emmy share their journeys into social media, initially sparked by personal experiences and the desire to connect with others facing similar challenges. Emmy shares a poignant story about her friend whose untimely death inspired her to focus on advocacy.

• [12:25] Emmy Combs: "Without her, my journey would have never started. I wouldn't be sitting here doing any of the things I ever did."
• [14:14] Alex Umatso: "There really are happy accidents in life."

Collaborative Efforts and Future Projects The duo discusses their collaborative efforts in makeup artistry tailored for individuals with alopecia. They highlight events like Baltarage, where they offer makeup services that enhance facial features, thereby boosting confidence for those without hair.

• [16:11] Emmy Combs: "We're a part of an event called the Baltarage, and we did a bunch."
• [18:37] Richard Taite: "Because not only are you making it, but now when you guys come in with your infectious thing you guys got going on, it's like, no, I'm special."

Product Recommendations and Brand Collaborations Alex and Emmy share their favorite beauty products and experiences working with major brands like L'Oréal. They elaborate on how specific products, such as an eyebrow pen from L'Oréal, have significantly impacted their daily routines and confidence.

• [19:03] Alex Umatso: "Their eyebrow pen has changed my life. It took my eyebrow routine from 20 minutes to just one pen."
• [21:13] Emmy Combs: "It's life-changing. Kids told me they bought the pen because of our videos."

Establishing a Non-Profit for Support Towards the end of the episode, Alex and Emmy announce their plans to start a non-profit organization focused on supporting individuals with alopecia and other autoimmune disorders. Their mission centers on creating a supportive community, understanding the causes behind these conditions, and providing resources beyond what pharmaceutical-backed organizations offer.

• [26:56] Alex Umatso: "We are starting a non-profit that will address alopecia and autoimmune disorders as a whole."
• [28:18] Emmy Combs: "We want to share the love, share the community, share the connection."

Mental Health and Societal Pressures The discussion transitions to broader topics like mental health and the detrimental effects of social media's comparison culture. Emmy emphasizes the importance of authentic connections and the pitfalls of cancel culture, advocating for self-acceptance and support systems.

• [35:17] Emmy Combs: "Comparison is like the thief of life."
• [35:35] Richard Taite: "It really is the second beautiful, like magnificent thing you've said today."

Closing Remarks and Interaction Richard wraps up the episode with heartfelt compliments to Alex and Emmy, appreciating their genuine approach and unwavering support for each other and their community. The episode concludes with a light-hearted interaction involving a friendly game of junior bowls.

• [40:48] Richard Taite: "You guys are so good."
• [41:34] Alex Umatso: "Thank you."
• [43:08] Richard Taite: "We're never running this."

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Key Takeaways:

• Alopecia Awareness: Alex and Emmy provide an in-depth understanding of alopecia, its types, and personal impacts.
• Resilience and Confidence: Their stories highlight the journey from insecurity to self-acceptance and public advocacy.
• Community Building: Emphasis on creating supportive networks for individuals with visible and invisible autoimmune disorders.
• Redefining Beauty Standards: Challenging societal norms and promoting inner beauty and self-love.
• Mental Health Advocacy: Addressing the importance of mental well-being and the negative consequences of social media pressures.

Notable Quotes:

• Emmy Combs [08:25]: "It's just about the comments. I think it's ignorance."
• Alex Umatso [10:59]: "With alopecia, I've found more of myself. We really glow from the inside out."
• Emmy Combs [35:17]: "Comparison is like the thief of life."

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Where to Follow Alex and Emmy:

• Emmy Combs: @EmmyCoss
• Alex Umatso: @AlexYou

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This episode serves as an inspiring testament to overcoming adversity, redefining personal and societal standards of beauty, and the power of community and self-love in the face of autoimmune challenges.

Transcript

[Richard Tate]

Alopecia advocates and social media personalities Alex Umatso and Emmy Combs. Join the we're out of Time podcast.

[Alex Umatso]

I was diagnosed when I was 1.

[Emmy Combs]

And I was diagnosed at 6.

[Richard Tate]

What is alopecia?

[Alex Umatso]

Alopecia is an autoimmune disorder. We have two different types of alopecia.

[Emmy Combs]

I always explain it to kids as it's almost like being allergic to peanuts. It's like our white blood cells are allergic to our hair.

[Alex Umatso]

Like, it doesn't want it there.

[Emmy Combs]

It thinks that it's wrong. It thinks that it needs to be gone out of the body.

[Alex Umatso]

I actually lost my hair when I was one, so my parents kind of had to teach me, like, when I was going to school. Hey, by the way, like, kids might pick on you or they might say something, but just don't let it bother you. I used to cover my head with a bandana, was just take it off and realize that I didn't need to hide more about the bullying.

[Emmy Combs]

It's just about the comments. I think it's ignorance.

[Alex Umatso]

When I was a kid, I always wished that I had somebody to look up. That's what we want to be for them, because we just didn't have that.

[Richard Tate]

Thank you for listening to the we're out of Time podcast with Richard Tate. If you haven't already, please follow the podcast rate and review. And if you're getting value out of we're out of Time, share it with someone else. You know, if someone has a problem with substance use disorder, please call one call placement. That's 888-831-1581. And if we can't help you, we'll make a referral to someone who can. Please, we're out of Time. Today we've got Alex Yazo.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

And Emily Combs.

[Alex Umatso]

Emmy. But Emily works, too.

[Richard Tate]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Alex Umatso]

That's okay. I just go by Emmy and Emmy Combs. Yes.

[Emmy Combs]

Yes.

[Richard Tate]

Thank you guys so much for coming.

[Emmy Combs]

Thank you for having us.

[Richard Tate]

What a joy. All right. Alex is a huge TikTok star with more than 6 million followers. And Emmy is a top makeup artist and creator with over 11 million followers on Tik Tok. Both were diagnosed with alopecia, and both have turned into something powerful.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

The first thing I want to ask is for the viewers that don't know, what is alopecia?

[Emmy Combs]

Go off?

[Alex Umatso]

I mean, okay, alopecia is an autoimmune disorder, so it causes us not to grow hair or to lose our hair. We have two different types of alopecia, so I actually have Alopecia universalis.

[Emmy Combs]

I have alopecia totalis.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes. So I have complete hair loss over the entire body. And I was diagnosed when I was.

[Emmy Combs]

One, and then I have hair loss just on my head and sometimes on my face. And I was diagnosed at 6.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

So I have all body hair, and there's no.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

And then there's one more, which is just alopecia areata, and that's the patches as patchy hair loss on the head and no hair loss of the body at all. So there's three different types people don't.

[Alex Umatso]

And alopecia areata is, like, super common. So sometimes you wouldn't even realize that a lot of people actually have it. And it's literally just categorized as bald spots on the head. And it's super, super common. And, like, some people do treatments for it. And alopecia areata is, like, easily to kind of treat, but, like, kind of like what we have. Our body just rejects hair, and it doesn't want anything to do with it. So we've just had it since we were younger.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah. Basically, our white blood cells think it's something that I always explain it to kids as it's almost like being allergic to peanuts. It's like our white blood cells are allergic to our hair.

[Alex Umatso]

Like, it doesn't want it there.

[Emmy Combs]

It thinks that it's wrong. It thinks that it needs to be gone out of the body the same way that people eat something they're allergic to, and your body reacts, and it doesn't want to be there. So we kind of have that same thing. We're just allergic to our hair.

[Richard Tate]

At the end of the day I'm thinking about right now is how soft the two of you must be.

[Alex Umatso]

We are.

[Emmy Combs]

He's softer than me, but.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, that is.

[Richard Tate]

So nobody's ever gonna be upset.

[Emmy Combs]

No, no, no, no. We have done little tests, too, on, like, we did it on our friends and her boyfriend and our other friend's boyfriend, where we make them feel the back of our heads and say who's who without looking. Oh, yeah. I feel like we have very similar heads, actually. We both have, like, a little, like, bump. She has, like, the roundest head ever over there.

[Alex Umatso]

I do have palette.

[Emmy Combs]

She has, like, the most perfect bald head. It's like she was born to be bald.

[Richard Tate]

I love that. I love the love that you two have for each other. It's like. You do feel so nice.

[Alex Umatso]

Well, thank you.

[Richard Tate]

And. And what's really intoxicating about the both of you is your joy of living awesome.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

That. Everybody wants that.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

There's no way that someone can look at the two of you and not smile. No way. All right, what was that like? Getting alopecia so young.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Umatso]

We have two different stories, so. Yeah, you want to go first?

[Emmy Combs]

I got alopecia when I was around 6 years old, or 5 is when it, like, started. And then 6 is when I really lost my hair and I went completely bald. I kind of was, like, okay with it 100% from the start. Like, I loved the fact that I was losing my hair. I never tried to cover it up. Obviously, everyone around was kind of scared, so they didn't know what to do. So we tried a few treatments. None of the treatments worked. I didn't like them, so we stopped them immediately. And then once I lost, like, all the hair on my scalp because my scalp went first. I just had no hair on the top and, like, some hair loss on the bottom. I asked to just shave the rest off. And then since that night, I haven't had hair. So we have that video of every of me literally shaving my head completely.

[Richard Tate]

Did you ever post that?

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah, I have, but it's just like, I just had, like, a circle, like, bowl of hair, like, around.

[Richard Tate]

But every old. But every old Jewish man in LA has that same thing.

[Alex Umatso]

What I looked like, and I looked.

[Emmy Combs]

At myself in the mirror when I was even six, I knew I was like, this is not the look for me. So I was like, please get it off immediately.

[Richard Tate]

You know what?

[Emmy Combs]

Literally took me to the back and shaved it.

[Richard Tate]

You never know. You could have looked really hot with a comb over. No. Glad we didn't try the comb over. What was your story?

[Alex Umatso]

Okay, so I have a little bit of a different story than Alex because I grew up in a really small town, so I'm. I'm from Maryland, and I actually lost my hair when I was one, So I don't have the memory of losing my hair. I just grew up learning that I didn't have hair and that that was different. So my parents kind of had to teach me, like, when I was going to school. Hey, by the way, like, kids might pick on you or they might say something, but just don't let it bother you. Don't let it bother you. So I just. I was like a little kindergartner. Pre K, first grade, second grade. All the way up till now. I just didn't have hair. I think I. Through a phase of. I was really insecure about it, and I feel like that came around really really young. So when I was probably like five or six, I was understanding that I was different, and I wanted to kind of fit in a little bit more and have something of my own that was not just, oh, she's a little bald girl. So I used to cover my head with a bandana and used to tie it around the side and put it in a ponytail just so I could be kind of like hair. So it was like, something that really affected me when I was a kid and going into, like, middle school. I think that was when I got my first wig. And I just. Honestly, wearing the wig at that time created a really bad relationship with, like, with wigs for me, because it was more like everyone was like, oh, why are you wearing a wig? Or they knew I was wearing a wig so they would say something. I wasn't really, like, bullied because I had such close friends.

[Richard Tate]

That was my next question. I was getting a. For you guys already?

[Alex Umatso]

Well, I mean, I've had. I've obviously have had negativity around it, but my core friends growing up and I went to a really good school. Like, my parents, when I was a kid put me in private school so that it was, like, a lot less kids at one time so that people would understand. And then I didn't go to public school until my middle school year, which I was already adapted to, like, knowing what alopecia was, how to explain it, how to tell people. And my one thing was if I just smile through everything I do, everyone else will reciprocate that energy.

[Richard Tate]

God, that is so good.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. So that's. That's how I kind of went through life, was. Even though I was super insecure and no one really know, behind the scenes, I was super insecure. But as soon as I was behind my wall, like, I was, like, as confident as ever, even when I was covering my alopecia. And it wasn't until my junior year of high school when I took it off, it was like the biggest turning point in my life. And I went out bald for, like, the first time in, like, 10 years when I. Because I did it from 5 to, like, 16. So 11 years. And it was literally the best thing I ever did. Like, was just take it off and realize that I didn't need to hide. And it was such a crazy realization. So.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Alex Umatso]

Who is an insane time?

[Richard Tate]

Bullied? Bullied. Were you bullied?

[Emmy Combs]

I don't think it's not more about the bullying. It's just about the comments. I think it's ignorance. Yeah, it's just Plain ignorance. I don't think that it's. I don't think that it's. When you're a kid, it was meant to be in a harmful way. But when you're having 900 questions about something or you're bald or why can't you do this? Or like, kids don't even mean it sometimes and they make like funny jokes to their other friend and their parents, like, say, sorry. It's like things.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. Like they're not trying to be bullies.

[Emmy Combs]

But then we do have those people who are bullies that we do come across in life. And obviously, like, we have learned to deal with that in our own ways. But when we were kids, I think it was more just misunderstanding and ignorance. I wish that more parents would teach that it's not like long hair means girl and short hair means boy, because I think we get that mixed up like a lot in societal, like, standards. I think that the second that a girl doesn't have long hair, even if they just cut their short to hair short to a bob, kids are like, why would you cut your hair, like, short? You're not a boy. And that's like. And it comes from being taught that. Because you're really taught how you're supposed to view situation. So if you're taught you have long hair, you're a girl, or you have short hair, you're a boy, what are you going to think when you're out in the world and you see someone like us? So it's just like things like that. I think it really just comes from the core of learning. It is heartbreaking and it's super hard to think about, which is why we've tried to switch it into the mentality of. It's just ignorance on their part. It's just something that they need to learn.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

They learned it yet? They haven't learned it yet.

[Richard Tate]

And they're not bad for it. Because I was ignorant a half hour ago. Right?

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

I could have said something stupid out of ignorance.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Without meaning any of it.

[Alex Umatso]

Right, right.

[Richard Tate]

And you guys get that.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. It's the accountability too, to like, realize that, like, we've had some people say something that they didn't realize maybe was like, so offensive. And like, we kind of are like, whoa. And then they're like, I'm so sorry.

[Emmy Combs]

And we're like, I did that to.

[Richard Tate]

You right When I walked in, I said something stupid. Right. And you're like, whoa, that's crazy. Question.

[Emmy Combs]

No, I just every. It takes time to learn and you can judge people by their coverage, which is what a beautiful thing that alopecia has taught us. Right?

[Richard Tate]

What a gift. What a gift. All right. Has living with alopecia changed or expanded your definition of beauty? Has it become a superpower for you?

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, I would feel like it's become a superpower. I feel like with alopecia, you kind of have to. I mean, everybody on social media is like, beauty and makeup, and this is beauty. That is beauty. But the standards behind beauty, I'm like, who. Who made up those rules? Who really decided what.

[Richard Tate]

Everything's different now, right? Three things different. When I was a kid, you had to be thin, right? And now there's voluptuous. And bald is beautiful, guys.

[Emmy Combs]

It really, really is.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. No, we love.

[Emmy Combs]

We love vulgar. Yeah, yeah, I interrupted.

[Alex Umatso]

No, no, that's okay. I. Yeah, I just. I feel like with alopecia, I've found more of myself and, like, I really, really, like, think that both of us, like, glow from the inside out. Because it's like there are going to be people that are like, oh, how. How are you so confident? I'm like, it's really not about the hair. It's about what. What your attitude is from the inside out. It's about how you present yourself. It's about how you treat other people. Yeah. It's about how you treat people in the moment. It's about how you speak to people. It's about how you care what everyone around you is doing that I feel like is what makes you beautiful. Not really. Like, everything physical, of course. Like, we do makeup. We know that putting on makeup also makes you beautiful. It's like that too, but it's all of it as a combined. There's a difference.

[Richard Tate]

What made you guys start sharing the alopecia journeys?

[Emmy Combs]

Honestly, I didn't even mean to. I think that I actually. It's a crazy thing because my friend, she actually passed away now, but she was a tick tocker and she kind of just did it for fun.

[Alex Umatso]

Right?

[Richard Tate]

She passed away.

[Emmy Combs]

She committed suicide in 2022. I know, awful. Like, super unfortunate and awful. But I grew up with her and she.

[Richard Tate]

Was she on drugs?

[Emmy Combs]

On. She did do it with drugs, but she wasn't on drugs. She just got really fed up one night and it was over. Yeah, it was over, so. But I love her and I'll always thank her because without her, my journey would have never started. I would not be sitting here in this chair. I would not be doing any of the things I ever did because she was a tiktoker. She was posting random tiktoks. She was hanging out with a bunch of people in the TikTok community. And then I started posting stuff and my first two videos were kind of like haha TikTok. Like, you know what I mean? Like with her basically there and then I would steal her phone and make the tick tocks on her phone and then I just started posting and they started blowing up. And they started blowing up even more, even more and even more. And then she one day was like, we want to come hang out with me and my tiktoker friends. And they were some pretty big people at the time from musical ly. And I was like, yeah. And then ever since then it was like boom. It just took off. And then I met her and then I just kept posting and then I've changed my content so many times over the years but without her I really wouldn't like, I didn't start this with like a mindset of I want to help people with alopecia and I wish I did. Like I will be completely honest. I started it as just a fun thing with her and I just think that like it was just meant to be that I got here and I get to live this life and it wouldn't have been possible without her. So basically that. Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Do you know what's cool? Yeah, what's cool is there's all sorts of happy accidents in life.

[Alex Umatso]

There really is.

[Richard Tate]

Did you know that? And I, if I get this wrong, don't beat me up for it. But I was told that, you know, post its like.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, like post it.

[Richard Tate]

Little post its.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

The guy that created that was trying to find a glue that would be permanent. It was a massive failure.

[Alex Umatso]

Oh, massive.

[Richard Tate]

It could be a bigger failure because.

[Emmy Combs]

You can stick it and stick it off.

[Richard Tate]

That's right. Happy billions of dollars.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah. Yeah, right.

[Alex Umatso]

It's meant to be. Yeah. Well, I can also ping off of Alex is. I started social media kind of like we met through TikTok. Basically we met at a TikTok event so we didn't know each other when we first started our social media journeys. And I really started my social media journey because I was always posting about alopecia. That's kind of where we. That's where we are so in sync but not like we are so like connected because we have these different stories and I, because I grew up having that insecurity issue and because I didn't really like love myself at a time I was like if I post on social media and like Kind of share my story, then maybe people will understand from my perspective. So, like, I was sharing stuff when I was in high school, just about alopecia, and then I ended up going to makeup school in la, and that's what brought me to la. And I was super into makeup and hair. I was.

[Richard Tate]

You went into makeup and hair because you didn't have the hair.

[Alex Umatso]

Hair originally, yes, because I actually am a licensed cosmetologist, and I was a licensed cosmetologist first, and it was more of, like, I was super interested in it because I knew I was interested in makeup, and I was like, well, let me just go into cosmetology. And I was.

[Richard Tate]

Question. Yeah, I hate to interrupt.

[Emmy Combs]

No, that's okay.

[Richard Tate]

Have you ever. Have you guys ever thought about doing makeup and hair for people with alopecia?

[Alex Umatso]

We do that. Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

We just. We're a part of an event, like, called the Baltarage, and we did a bunch.

[Richard Tate]

I saw that.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes.

[Emmy Combs]

That's.

[Alex Umatso]

Our best friend owns Baltar Girls eyelashes.

[Richard Tate]

That's what made me nuts. That's what made me nuts.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's literally what we just, like, we did that a week ago. We can.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, yeah. It's the best.

[Richard Tate]

And I got to do that all the time.

[Alex Umatso]

We. We will. Oh, my God.

[Richard Tate]

That is so beautiful.

[Emmy Combs]

Because.

[Richard Tate]

Because not only are you making it, like, okay, but now when you guys come in with your infectious.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Thing you guys got going on, it's like, what it says is, no, I'm special.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

I'm not. I'm not like everybody else. I'm special.

[Alex Umatso]

Oh, 100. And for those girls, like, that's like, when we. When we were thinking about it, and, like, me being a makeup artist, I've done makeup for so many people, and I. That's, like, literally what my job was before social media. Like, I was doing jobs, and when I was a kid, I always wished that I had somebody to look up to.

[Richard Tate]

That's right.

[Alex Umatso]

So that's what we want to be for them, because we just didn't have.

[Richard Tate]

That and to care for.

[Emmy Combs]

Right.

[Richard Tate]

Like, when you're there, putting. That's an intimate thing.

[Emmy Combs]

Yes.

[Richard Tate]

Someone's touching you, and they're looking at you, and they want to make it perfect.

[Emmy Combs]

Yes.

[Richard Tate]

You're important.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes.

[Richard Tate]

That's a beautiful.

[Emmy Combs]

That is making this in general. Yeah. Like, I will only let Emmy touch my face. No one else is allowed to do my makeup. No one. Because it's a very, like. It's a very, like, specific thing. Like, I don't Think people realize how much makeup can, like, actually change your whole mood of the day? Like, if I wake up and I hate my eyebrows, I. My day is ruined. I'm sorry. I am. I am about to ruin everyone else's day too. Like, when I was in. When I was in, like, high school and I woke up and I couldn't get my eyebrows and eyeliner on right, I didn't even go, like, who cares? I didn't even go to school because I was not having it. So that's why I think it's just such an important thing. Like, I've gotten my makeup done fully and I've gone into the bathroom and fully sat there wiping it off and had her come in and do it. Like, I can't have anyone else touching my face and doing it. Which is why I think it's so important that we're going to be doing it for other people with alopecia, because we know it's like there's so much more of your face. That's actually.

[Alex Umatso]

That's right. Yeah. Like, and that is what is, like, that's what they're gonna look at is your makeup, especially if you don't have hair. So.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

God, you guys are so good.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Oh, how fun is it working with big makeup brands?

[Alex Umatso]

Oh, it's.

[Richard Tate]

And share. And share some favorites.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, we both. Yeah. I feel like I, I started my journey with makeup a, like, really long time ago. So when I was first starting with makeup brands, I was like, oh, wow.

[Emmy Combs]

This is so cool. I'm like, this is the best.

[Alex Umatso]

And I feel like my favorite brand to work with is l'. Oreal. I might be biased because I am currently working with them a lot right now, but I just. They actually created this eyebrow pen that we use every day. And it has actually changed my life because I would struggle with. I mean, I've done my eyebrows. Everyone's like, oh, they look so perfect. But this pen, they created, like, took my eyebrow routine from, like 20 minutes sitting there, like, trying to draw on these, like, hair, like, strokes to the one pen does it all. And I, I literally am just in awe about this eyebrow pen.

[Emmy Combs]

Literally sit there and have a 30 minute conversation. No cameras, no anything. And we're just talking about how much we love the brow pen. Few minutes, like, there. No, no one's paying us. No one's. No one's even listening to us.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

We're just cameras on with each other. How much, how important. This brow pen is crazy. It's a brow pen.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. Yeah, we. Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Have them reach out.

[Alex Umatso]

No, no, no.

[Emmy Combs]

We're already working them. We do. We.

[Alex Umatso]

She's saying off camera when nobody's okay. Got it.

[Emmy Combs]

Even though when we work with them, we're on camera and we're saying these things, I just think that sometimes they. People get confused between things that we actually like because we are sitting there. It is our job to sit there and say that we like things sometimes that we don't 100 love. Because that's our job, you know? So we're. We just, like, sit there and talk about this brow pen for, like, an hour and how much we love it. And that is just so different. We never do that. Like, there's not a different product. See, that's one of the things that we've ever done that way.

[Alex Umatso]

But, yeah, I. I just feel like l' Oreal has been, like, such a me, like an amazing team and brand to work with, and they own, like, a lot of brands that you wouldn't think, like, that are under the l' Oreal family. So I've worked with a lot of, like, l' Oreal brands in general, but just their team and the way they make you feel. Like, I talk about the brow pen. I just did the campaign for the brow pen, and it was literally, like, the best thing ever. Like, their team treated me like royalty. They love me, and they just, like, really admired the way I did my brows, which made me feel special because I don't have any brows. So they were like, this is amazing. They look so good. Like, we love it. You. We love that you love this so much. And I'm like, you guys have no idea how much I actually love this pen.

[Richard Tate]

L'. Oreal. Let me tell you why I'm going to leave it in here, okay? Because you did the right thing.

[Emmy Combs]

Now, honestly, they. It's life changing. Genuinely. It's a life changing thing for something. Someone like us. Like, the amount of kids at that event that came up to me because she's been doing the promotion for it, saying, like, I bought that pen because you made that video. And now they get eyebrows every day. And if that is something that they didn't have before, they. There was. There's tattoo eyebrows, but the tattoo eyebrows are shiny and peel off.

[Richard Tate]

Like, I never thought for a second that the two of you didn't have real eyebrows. Never. Not for a second.

[Emmy Combs]

Really? Yeah. You have a lot of eyebrow right now. Usually I don't have this much eyebrow. I literally posted something on my story, like embracing the hair last night. Because I have, like, eyelash and eyebrows, but mine loves to come and go, so sometimes I have them. Some I don't. And it's just like, I'll wake up and have an eyebrows gone.

[Alex Umatso]

That's like, her type of alopecia.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

So I'll, like, have sometimes I'll have hair sometimes. Right now I have, like, I have.

[Alex Umatso]

A lot of eyebrow, and I'm. And I've never had an eyebrow hair in my life, and I've had a peach fuzz, and I literally, like, will pluck it out. Like, I literally have never had eyebrow hair.

[Richard Tate]

Or I'm in the middle.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

I'm like the mommy bear.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Awesome.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

All right. How long does it take you to doll up? Like, this morning?

[Emmy Combs]

It depends. Like, what kind of doll up.

[Alex Umatso]

This morning? This morning.

[Emmy Combs]

Okay. Okay.

[Alex Umatso]

This morning it took me 30 minutes.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

Really? Like, not even. Maybe 25.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

We're like, how much better can you look? I don't know.

[Alex Umatso]

I mean, if we're like.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah, we don't have foundation on. We don't have, like. Like, sometimes we do really fun eyeshadows.

[Richard Tate]

Why do you need. Why do you need foundation?

[Alex Umatso]

That's like. I feel like if we're doing a super glammed look and we're doing, like, really popping eyes, you want your skin to look flawless. Like, fake air, I guess, the airbrush. And we would put foundation on for that purpose.

[Richard Tate]

Okay.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. But for, like, for both of us. Like, I know we're both wearing, like, our moisturizer tint and, like, we do, like, glowy blush and that. That's, like, about it. Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

I would say, like, 30 minutes for this. But if you're asking us to get ready and we're, like, going out somewhere, you have to give us, like, three and a half hours.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. Like, if we're putting on wigs, that's a story.

[Emmy Combs]

Half a day. We can't go anywhere. We can't do anything else.

[Richard Tate]

First of all.

[Alex Umatso]

So long.

[Richard Tate]

Let me. Let me ask you this question, because this is a mental health.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Podcast.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Okay. How do you make the decision to put on a wig or go bald? How do you do it?

[Alex Umatso]

That's a really good question.

[Emmy Combs]

Well, I, like, hated wigs for a while. I was like, I'll never put one of those on those itchy things. I'll never cover up being bald. Like, I love myself bald. But I think that honestly came from a place of insecurity. If I didn't want to see myself with the hair that I Could have had, I guess, or like, you know what I mean? And I so.

[Richard Tate]

But stop, stop. Do you know how intuitive that is and how smart that is? Do you have any idea?

[Emmy Combs]

I did go to school for two years and it was psychology.

[Richard Tate]

That was so self reflective. That was so beautiful.

[Emmy Combs]

Thank you.

[Richard Tate]

Go on.

[Emmy Combs]

I just, I just realized that it literally came from that fact of me being scared. And I would send so much hate towards the idea of wigs or wearing wigs, but with actually no knowledge of. That's where my ignorance came in. How I was saying the ignorance from the bullies. That's how I know they're ignorant. Because this is where my ignorance comes in. Right here is with the fact that I thought that it was so wrong to cover up being bald. And in reality, a wig is like a fun accessory. It's like putting on a hat for the day. It's like putting on like when you go to put a ponytail in your hair in the morning, that's your, that's your look for the day. Like it adds on to your look. So like I just had my birthday. I wanted to wear a fun, super platinum curly wig because it's different. I don't normally look like that on a Friday. So people are going to be like, whoa, she looks so crazy and so good. All I did was put on some blonde hair. It's literally like a crazy, like switch when you don't really do much. And also it comes off at the end of the day, so who cares? Yeah, basically.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, I feel like, yeah, the same thing. Like we just kind of decide like, hey, we're going to this event and everyone's getting glammed. Why not do a nice slick back bun in a, in a wig that is like so. But like it looks so real. So it's like, why not get that glammed up? So that's kind of where our decision comes for these wigs. Expensive.

[Emmy Combs]

You're very lucky girls.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, we do work with a lot of.

[Richard Tate]

Yeah, I get that you're getting them.

[Emmy Combs]

But I would say they're thousand to $5,000, I would say.

[Alex Umatso]

But I feel like right now there's a lot of wigs that you can get that are super real for like, like zle is like 500 to 700.

[Emmy Combs]

But the. Really.

[Alex Umatso]

But the cat, we wear ye long ones with the cap that are more custom. Those ones go to 2000-2500, I would say. I haven't seen one that's really.

[Richard Tate]

Is there.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, there's a couple that are.

[Richard Tate]

Yeah, Is there a charity where you can buy wigs?

[Emmy Combs]

You can.

[Richard Tate]

For little girls that want it.

[Emmy Combs]

You can get your hair.

[Richard Tate]

Okay, well, that's not gonna happen.

[Emmy Combs]

That happens. A lot of people do it, actually.

[Richard Tate]

No, I'm talking about the people that don't have. Where can I donate? Where can we donate?

[Emmy Combs]

Well, we do. Well, we're about to do a lot.

[Alex Umatso]

Of the wig company, so.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah, yeah, we're about to do a lot of things that would actually help with that, I guess.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, I'll say a little. Like for the wig thing specifically. I know that most of all the wig brands that we work with, they have. There's like certain programs that they're like, oh, here, donate your hair. Or hey, like, we have like these people. Like, there's a lot of wig companies that work with people that can't afford wigs. But on the flip side of that, there's things that like, we have been working on personally all year with our other friend that we have not announced yet.

[Richard Tate]

That's correct.

[Alex Umatso]

And we, we don't want to fully announce it because we are. We know we're not with our other girl that's doing with us, so she. Like, we shouldn't do it.

[Emmy Combs]

Well, we're gonna give you, like, what it is, like, what we're doing.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes, Give it to me. So we are starting a non profit and it will have to do with alopecia and autoimmune disorders. So all of them as a whole. And there's going to be a lot of things that we are going to do in the community that are going to help people. A part of our community. That is the whole point of what we're doing. We want to share the love, share the community, share the connection. Because we did not have that when we were younger. And we do not want to focus on trying to treat us or fix us. That is not the issue. We don't want to be fixed. We just want a community of people to be able to come together and to find that support that they might not have with their family.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah. And our main focus is just going to be like, why? Like, why does this happen? Like, yeah, why does heaven. Why does autoimmune.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, why? It's really just for us to understand from the inside out why maybe our bodies are doing this so people can come in there and like, I have another autoimmune disease which is called Sjogren's, and I'm sure you've probably never heard of it before, but there's a community of people that have that. And they also are like, where do I go?

[Emmy Combs]

Who do I talk to? That's not a visible thing that you can see. Like ours. Our autoimmune disorder is very visible. Like we. Yeah, ours is a very visible autoimmune disorder. But there's a lot of autoimmune disorders that are invisible, completely invisible. And these people feel alone and. Yeah, and they're all connected. These people that have these invisible disorders feel alone. They feel tired. They don't know who to talk to. That. All they're talking to is doctors about.

[Alex Umatso]

It that are trying to treat them.

[Emmy Combs]

And they're giving them scary drugs. They can. These foundations that are already supporting alopecia, they are backed up and supported by only big pharma companies. Only big pharma companies. Yeah. So what we want to do is just. We're just trying to do the complete opposite. Like actually be there for so you're people.

[Richard Tate]

So you're so. So really, if you synthesize it down to a subject, you're perfect just the way you are.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes.

[Emmy Combs]

And that's.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. And if there's things like. For like my Sjogren's. It doesn't.

[Richard Tate]

Guys can take that if you one go on.

[Alex Umatso]

No. Yeah. Well, that. For like my other autoimmune disease. It's no secret that it causes me pain like it does my. My shoguns. My other autoimmune.

[Richard Tate]

What is. What is.

[Alex Umatso]

So it's basically an autoimmune disease that causes inflammatory in your body and it affects certain organs. So it's kind of like the sister disease to lupus. And I don't know if you know what lupus is, but all of the autoimmune diseases are connected. If you have one, you probably. There's a high chance you'll get one later. So me having alopecia stem to 23 years later when I'm now 24. I got diagnosed with Sjogren's when I was 22. I have inflammation throughout my entire body. So like. Like the people with alopecia, for example, the people with alopecia, like, they might need support that they really aren't getting. And we just want to offer that. We really do.

[Richard Tate]

You guys are. Jesus.

[Alex Umatso]

That's all we'll say about that one.

[Richard Tate]

You know what I'm not going to do.

[Emmy Combs]

I'll have to come back.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah, we.

[Emmy Combs]

We in. In a month.

[Richard Tate]

Hey, you guys can come back and bring your move in for all I care.

[Alex Umatso]

I'll take you. This house is really nice.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

This One's this one, this one's mine. Have you ever felt like you had to play a character online to stay liked? That's a great question.

[Alex Umatso]

It's a really good question.

[Emmy Combs]

But, Alex, I think the only thing, the only thing that I think that people can get into, like that character acting is I think standing up for things you believe in is really important. But I don't think that everyone should have to stand up for maybe something that they have no idea what they're standing up for. I guess.

[Alex Umatso]

You know what I mean?

[Emmy Combs]

I think cancel culture is a very large thing. Basically, what I'm saying is I don't think everyone should be forced to speak up about everything. I think people should speak about the issues that are very important to them and that they know, have knowledge on. But I think that this cancel culture of everyone needs to speak about everything. Single thing going on every single time puts this kind of pressure on. It's like, oh, I can't post today because this happened, but I need to post about this. But what if I say this wrong? But I really want to support the fact that this is going on, but what if I say it wrong? So I'm just not going to say anything. There's like a lot of societal pressure to say things right, to do things right, to say things about certain things, to not say things about certain things. And even if you support something that maybe everybody else does and you say something online, then everyone goes at you. But then everybody else in life is about to have their own opinions. They all get to walk around and no one's like, you know what I mean?

[Richard Tate]

Like, take that riff that she just did. Put it on a thing. That's a rap song. Go on. But that was awesome.

[Emmy Combs]

It's just the fact of, like, why. Why can other people have their own opinions about things? But then as soon as someone on social media is Everyone attacks them. It's just like, why. Why does the. Why does the attack happen? And I get. Some people's are valid, okay? Some things are extremely valid. But I think that cancel culture works way too hard to the point where people go look for things that they can get mad at. And that's what's wrong with social media right now.

[Richard Tate]

You know those people that get into that vicious cycle and they just can't pull themselves out of it. And they just. They know that they're creating wreckage, but, God, I can't stop. And it just gets worse and worse.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes.

[Richard Tate]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

[Richard Tate]

All right, guys. Listen, what do you want to talk about? Is. Is there anything that you wanted to talk about? This. The number three mental health podcast in the country, and according to Apple, and I want to make.

[Emmy Combs]

According to Apple.

[Alex Umatso]

I love that.

[Richard Tate]

That's the only.

[Alex Umatso]

Hey.

[Richard Tate]

Well, that's all I know. You know, I. I've never seen a podcast, and I've never listened to a podcast.

[Emmy Combs]

Created a. What I'm talking about.

[Richard Tate]

Yeah. Because just like you guys wanted to be supportive to little girls and boys that have alopecia.

[Alex Umatso]

100%.

[Richard Tate]

I came back because people were dying. Children were dying.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

And there's nothing more horrible, nothing on this earth than bearing a child.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Alex Umatso]

I can't even imagine. I can't even.

[Richard Tate]

You guys are such good souls. I can't wait till you have children, because when you do, you'd be the best mothers ever.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. I feel like, David.

[Richard Tate]

Yeah. This one's gonna die. No. You're gonna adopt one.

[Emmy Combs]

No, I'm just gonna cry.

[Richard Tate]

Why, baby?

[Emmy Combs]

Tell me one thing is my friend. I lost my friend, like, so recently, and then nothing's worse than losing a child. And then I watched, like, their parents. Mental health is just so important. I just think, like, wherever you can find support in whatever you're dealing with, like, it is so important just to have someone, like, no matter what the situation is, if it's alopecia, if it's any autoimmune, that's what we're doing. If it's mental health, that's what the podcast is for. And I think people don't think mental health is as. As serious as it is, and it just is so serious. Like, you can't just keep going one day and everything's fine after something so traumatic happens or, like, something that changes your life genuinely happens. I. The world has put pressure on people to go so quickly through these emotions and not process them. And I just think it's important that you take a step back and you realize how many things are going on in the world right now, how many emotions you should actually be feeling. Like, it's okay to cry. It's okay to have these feelings about things. It's okay to grieve for a longer time than other people. Like, I just don't get the timeline that society has put on everyone to have this, like, strong mental health, be successful, do this. Don't drink workout every day. Get up at this certain time. If you're not doing this, you're not doing things right. Like, that is not the way you live life. So it's just important to take a step back and realize that everything on social media, half of those people aren't even doing what they're actually telling you they're doing for their mental health. Like waking up at 6am and going on a run every day. Like, there's no way, you know, so.

[Alex Umatso]

Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like you, like.

[Emmy Combs]

And even girls have admitted that they literally said like, yeah, I would say that I was running and I wouldn't go. It's like. But you're supposed to be a mental health person making people feel better. So I just think really, it's not about comparing. Compare. Comparison is like the thief of life.

[Richard Tate]

It really is second beautiful, like magnificent thing you've said today.

[Emmy Combs]

Thank you, thank you. It really is the thief of life. So. And I, I think I, we have it in our friendship. I say that it's like we will never compare each other to each other. We will never compete with each other. Whatever the other person gets, it's always an accomplishment and it's always for each other's biggest supporters and biggest cheerleaders. And I think that's another thing that we're losing in life, is that you really are supposed to be your friend's biggest cheerleaders because they get married, because they buy a house, because they get successful, because they get this job. You should be at their front door with a cake. You shouldn't be feeling like your life, life sucks because they have these things.

[Richard Tate]

God, I love you people.

[Emmy Combs]

So I just think that this really. Just sit back and like think about life. That's what I would say. Just because you, you brought the mental health thing, if you have anything else to say is just like comparison, comparison. Whatever you say is really the thief. So really just think back at your life, how lucky we are to have everything that we have. Especially I was literally just in the Dominican Republic and watching kids run around completely without shoes and, and naked. And they were just so happy they had nothing and they were running around laughing and jumping in the puddles and it's just like watching that was just like, okay, this is what life is about. It's not about the crazy having 900 things underneath you every day to have just like your daughter with the one she wants one thing of makeup that makes so much sense because you don't need 700 million things really, at the end of the day, you just need what makes you happy in life.

[Richard Tate]

What city are you guys living in?

[Alex Umatso]

We both live in different cities. I'm currently in North Hollywood I'm in Santa Clarita.

[Richard Tate]

Okay. So on the corner of Little Santa Monica and Century park east, there is a high rise.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes, I. I've actually. I know exactly where that is.

[Richard Tate]

Of course you do. Okay. That's why I'm bringing it up.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Because everybody There. You only have a few types of people there.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

You got divorcees, husbands that are running out of that place because they got nowhere to go. Right. And it's furnished.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

They've got guys putting in their sugar babies or mistresses. Right. And the third is celebrity. Celebrity. Typically people that are bicoastal.

[Alex Umatso]

Yep. And they're just visiting.

[Richard Tate]

Right. So they don't have to sweat it. And the fourth is my favorite. The fourth is all the kids and their Lambos. Right. Okay. That are just doing whatever they can to stay up above water because their overhead is 20 to 30 grand a month.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Right. And they don't have five nickels to put together.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Right. It's like. That must be so exhausting.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

To keep up that in this social media world of this influencer thing that you guys are. Are part of. Right. What's with all the.

[Alex Umatso]

Dude, it's just people trying to become famous.

[Emmy Combs]

That's what I'm saying. That's why I said the comparison is a thief, because these people have actually nothing at the end of the day. No, no, they have nothing. Sick. They have everything.

[Richard Tate]

No, no, no, no, no. Kids your age think they have everything. I know they have.

[Emmy Combs]

Yes.

[Richard Tate]

I know.

[Alex Umatso]

People with stuff that's.

[Emmy Combs]

But kids our age are the people who are looking at that and thinking, like, I'm not doing enough. I'm not. That I'm never going to be anything. I can't do this. I can't do that.

[Richard Tate]

And it's all a lie anyway.

[Emmy Combs]

It's all a lie.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

It's all a lie. So that's why I just think it's important just to, like, whatever life that you're living, just find the happiness in that life. Like, don't try and live someone else's life or try and, like, go on.

[Richard Tate]

How hard is that, though? How realistic is that? You know. You know what social media is, right? It's high school.

[Alex Umatso]

Yes.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Literally, it's. You're back in high school.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah. And there's, like, the mean girl group. Yeah.

[Emmy Combs]

The.

[Alex Umatso]

The judging and the.

[Richard Tate]

And you're the sweet girls. You're like the sweet girls that I was friends with.

[Emmy Combs]

Thank you.

[Richard Tate]

Yeah. It's okay. Nobody liked me anymore.

[Alex Umatso]

What?

[Richard Tate]

No.

[Emmy Combs]

But I, like, I had no friends in high school either.

[Richard Tate]

I didn't.

[Emmy Combs]

Okay.

[Richard Tate]

I didn't. I was a quarterback and everybody hated me.

[Emmy Combs]

Okay.

[Richard Tate]

I swear to God. How does that even happen? That's, like, first time ever.

[Alex Umatso]

Like.

[Richard Tate]

Like, that's something. Those are words that have never been uttered in human history.

[Alex Umatso]

Like, the quarterback.

[Richard Tate]

I was the quarterback and everybody hated me anyway. Yeah. Okay. I like that. You guys have the heart of a servant. That's how you operate in the world.

[Alex Umatso]

Oh, yeah.

[Richard Tate]

With the heart of a servant.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

It's the most beautiful thing in the world because when you do something, a lot of people do it, and they don't do it with, you know, a joyful heart.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Richard Tate]

You guys do that.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah, we have fun. We love what we do. Genuinely. Like, we love it. So.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

I love the love that you have for each other.

[Alex Umatso]

Yeah.

[Richard Tate]

Love it.

[Alex Umatso]

We do everything together.

[Richard Tate]

I love it.

[Emmy Combs]

Literally, like sisters. Like, I used to come alone today, and I was like, I think Emmy should come.

[Alex Umatso]

And if I do anything alone, I'm like, I think, can I also bring Alex? If not, I'm not going.

[Richard Tate]

Well, let me tell you. Let me tell you. You guys know where I live. Okay?

[Emmy Combs]

No, we're coming back. We're bringing KISS to you.

[Richard Tate]

Remember, you can. Ladies, you can bring anybody you want at any time you want. My home is your home, and I think you're both magnificent. Don't stop doing what you're doing.

[Alex Umatso]

Thank you.

[Emmy Combs]

Thank you so much.

[Richard Tate]

All right.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Richard Tate]

Where can people find you guys?

[Alex Umatso]

We're on all platforms.

[Emmy Combs]

Yeah, Everything.

[Alex Umatso]

So my. My social media is at Emmy Combs. E, M, M, Y, C, O, M.

[Emmy Combs]

B, S S. And mine's Alex Yumazo.

[Alex Umatso]

A L, E, X, Y, O, U.

[Emmy Combs]

M A, Z, Z, O on everything.

[Richard Tate]

All right, ladies, I used to feel ready.

[Emmy Combs]

See you next Tuesday.

[Richard Tate]

Damn. Oh, okay.

[Alex Umatso]

All right.

[Richard Tate]

We're gonna give you the junior balls easier, okay? You get five throws, and I go ahead and I get one throw to beat you. That's it. Okay. Shall we? Let me explain the game.

[Emmy Combs]

All right.

[Richard Tate]

One point, two points, three points, four points, five points, six points, seven, eight. Eight and nine points. You get five, I get one. Oh, okay.

[Emmy Combs]

All right.

[Richard Tate]

Anytime, anytime. Oh, that's all. Okay. You got that in.

[Alex Umatso]

That one didn't go in.

[Richard Tate]

Oh, my God. This is a disaster. Come on. Just one goes in. There it is.

[Alex Umatso]

Oh, my God.

[Richard Tate]

There's no way for me to win now. That's right. There's no way for me to win.

[Alex Umatso]

And I just lost that on a promotion.

[Richard Tate]

We're never running this.